Speaker 1: Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
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Speaker 1: our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
Speaker 1: in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
Speaker 1: going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2: So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
Speaker 2: thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
Speaker 2: if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
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Speaker 1: Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of
Speaker 1: an older entertainment property, And for this week of April fourteenth,
Speaker 1: we are continuing with Loss Season two, episode seventeen, Lockdown,
Speaker 1: in which both in the past and in the present,
Speaker 1: John Locke is indeed down.
Speaker 2: He's down.
Speaker 1: He's down on one knee getting rejected. He's down in
Speaker 1: the dumps because his dad conned him again from beyond
Speaker 1: the Gray. He's down because of the big metal wall
Speaker 1: crashed on his legs. He is just down. Man down,
Speaker 1: Just keep low, John, just oh my goodness. This is
Speaker 1: a prime example of an episode that screams, oh shoot,
Speaker 1: we have more episodes this season, and we have content.
Speaker 1: What are we gonna do? Hey? Did you know John
Speaker 1: Locke is an incredible sad sack and Louiser let's go
Speaker 1: over that again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's let's revisit both the failed relationship and the
Speaker 2: bad dad.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Oh and justin you know, uh fur fun will
Speaker 1: make his current life really bad too, right, although he
Speaker 1: did get to see a nifty map in the Black.
Speaker 2: Lives that's right.
Speaker 1: On the floor incapacitated. Yes, this was not fun this episode.
Speaker 1: I could have skipped over this episode. There was, in fact,
Speaker 1: despite your very certain doubts about the existence of a balloon,
Speaker 1: there was in fact one. Yes, but yes there was one,
Speaker 1: but also does not belong to the individual.
Speaker 2: Yes, previously known as Henry Gale, which he turns out,
Speaker 2: appropriated from some other guy that he married.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know what his name is, but I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna do anyway. Yeah, So that was I mean, the
Speaker 1: only interesting thing that happened in this episode happened in
Speaker 1: the last five minutes, and the rest of it was and.
Speaker 2: Mostly off care like yeah, you know, Sayid comes back
Speaker 2: and he's like, okay, well I've found your grave. That's
Speaker 2: allegedly your wife. So I am. I checked and it
Speaker 2: wasn't her.
Speaker 1: Dug it up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we didn't see that. I mean, this is.
Speaker 1: Honestly, do you want to see, say you dig up
Speaker 1: a grave, I probably don't know. I didn't even have
Speaker 1: a shovel, did he? He just just yeah.
Speaker 2: But also, I mean that's dramatic, like digging it up
Speaker 2: and realizing it's not who you were told it was.
Speaker 1: Maybe they shot that scene and then and then I'm like, eh,
Speaker 1: that's kind of gross, kund of disturbing.
Speaker 2: But we've It's not like we haven't seen them come
Speaker 2: across dead body.
Speaker 1: They have Anna Lucia with them, who is an expert
Speaker 1: at digging pits. Come on, she could have had that
Speaker 1: body dug up in no time. Put her to work exactly.
Speaker 1: That was a missed callback there, you guys, come on,
Speaker 1: you just see that grave and Aunta Lucia said, hey,
Speaker 1: let's stick it up. I haven't dug me a pit
Speaker 1: for a while.
Speaker 2: I have a technique, watch, watch and learn.
Speaker 1: If you know your dudes cross me, you'll be in there, Charlie,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at you. I don't think she'd tried to
Speaker 1: throw in the pit. But Charlie could absolutely find himself
Speaker 1: in a In fact, I'm surprised he hasn't yep oop
Speaker 1: because you know, he's kind of a loser and things
Speaker 1: happened to him too. I know that. I don't even
Speaker 1: if they'll tell us again though, I.
Speaker 2: Don't even know how or why he ended up on
Speaker 2: this little errand like I don't remember that being discussed.
Speaker 1: His agent said, come on, he needs more screen time,
Speaker 1: give him something to do. Yeah, not like things were
Speaker 1: going well for him on the beach.
Speaker 2: No they weren't, that is true.
Speaker 1: Anyway. So this was.
Speaker 2: This was the thing we watched, and then we you know,
Speaker 2: Locke gets himself stuck under a you know, very heavy door,
Speaker 2: and so he has to depend on you know, quote
Speaker 2: Henry quote yes to help him, which you know, it's
Speaker 2: kind of like you know your kids. Your kids have
Speaker 2: to rely on you, and they may they may not
Speaker 2: wish to, they may wish to exert their independence, but
Speaker 2: then they may find that it doesn't work out so
Speaker 2: well for them.
Speaker 1: That is very much like being caught in something and
Speaker 1: then having to tell your kid to do something that
Speaker 1: is your responsibility, right, and you're like worried the entire time.
Speaker 1: Are they going to do it? Are they going to
Speaker 1: do it right? Or are they going to do it
Speaker 1: the way I would do it? Are they going to
Speaker 1: be safe? Was this a bad idea? Should I have
Speaker 1: just my legs off and got done it myself?
Speaker 2: Exactly?
Speaker 1: You're always worried. And then when they when they do
Speaker 1: it right, it's wonderful. And then you know you think,
Speaker 1: does this mean they don't need me anymore?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: But yes, he had to tell Henry all the details
Speaker 1: of the computer and the number to put in and
Speaker 1: all those things that Jack was telling everybody don't tell
Speaker 1: him those things. But what could he do? You have
Speaker 1: to be able to do it right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I feel like it goes both ways. I mean,
Speaker 2: it happens where the kid is. You know, you have
Speaker 2: to rely on the kid, whether it's simply like go
Speaker 2: get me some more toilet paper because I'm stuck here,
Speaker 2: or it's the other way around, where the kid is
Speaker 2: like I'm doing this by myself. And then yes, then
Speaker 2: they have to like admit defeat.
Speaker 1: Life skills.
Speaker 2: Then we had the poker game as a side side
Speaker 2: question there.
Speaker 1: Man Sawyer is a smart dude. You should know. You
Speaker 1: don't play poker with that guy. You're gonna lose. I
Speaker 1: guess he thinks he's smart. But once you start losing,
Speaker 1: you need to stop unless you have a real good
Speaker 1: con that can get you out of it. Go look
Speaker 1: at the call sheet. See who's at the top of it.
Speaker 1: Probably you don't want to play both were not you,
Speaker 1: especially when he is when he is cocky about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, that was pretty predictable. But I didn't realize
Speaker 1: Sawyer had taken the medical supplies as well as the
Speaker 1: UH as well as the guns.
Speaker 2: Well that's how he had the he had the pregnancy test.
Speaker 1: That was the pregnancy test, because I thought that was
Speaker 1: stuff off of planes. But was that something out of
Speaker 1: the hatch?
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Was it a Dharma Brandon test. It's been there as
Speaker 1: long as the ranch dressing is.
Speaker 2: So you know how effective that is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the Island Walgreens and he's taking a hefty
Speaker 1: mark up. Yeah. But also Jack, you know, it's like
Speaker 1: when mom finally t decides to take a day off
Speaker 1: of herself and do things that make her happy and
Speaker 1: have a little fun and then everything goes to bleed
Speaker 1: at home. Yes, Jack picked a pretty bad day to
Speaker 1: be out of the hatch. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well it also wouldn't have happened if he was in
Speaker 2: the hatch.
Speaker 1: Right, That's true. It's like one of those movies. It's
Speaker 1: home alone, and you know, you can't You can't put
Speaker 1: down that responsibility even for a minute, Jack, not even
Speaker 1: for a second. Look what happens, all the things that happened.
Speaker 1: He's never going to leave that place again, and he
Speaker 1: was even when he's going home, he's gonna walk Kate
Speaker 1: back to camp. You know. It's just like he really
Speaker 1: doesn't want to go back in there. Yeah, and uh,
Speaker 1: I relate still, Yes, maybe maybe just to check in
Speaker 1: once or twice during the course of the day. But
Speaker 1: he can't be mad at Locke for letting Henry know everything,
Speaker 1: because where were you mom? Decide what to do? You're
Speaker 1: always bossing me around and now I can't even think
Speaker 1: for myself. Oh well, yeah, don't do that, don't stay away,
Speaker 1: don't take a day off from your responsibilities. Nope, it
Speaker 1: doesn't work.
Speaker 2: Certainly he does not, But I did. I did enjoy
Speaker 2: Kate just watching the three the three guys, I mean,
Speaker 2: not curly. Wasn't princess painting so much?
Speaker 1: But yeah, watching Jack and Sawyer and asking if they
Speaker 1: want her to bring her She had time, Yes, she did,
Speaker 1: very fun. But look what happens when you have a
Speaker 1: little fun. Yeah, all sorts of weird stuff goes down.
Speaker 2: Do you think Locke had time to, you know, memorize
Speaker 2: what was on that picture that he saw on the
Speaker 2: back of the thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, what what caused that all to happen?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: I mean you would assume that possibly it is the nefarious,
Speaker 1: not Henry, that made it happen in some way, But
Speaker 1: there were some shots of him in his cell looking
Speaker 1: genuinely afraid and freaked out, And I'm like, is that
Speaker 1: just for us?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Does he know there's a camera there? Why are we
Speaker 1: seeing this? Because I really don't think he used that
Speaker 1: freaking out this particular dude. If he is, if he
Speaker 1: is not who we think he is, but somebody else, right,
Speaker 1: he would be going, Yes, an opportunity for me, Yes,
Speaker 1: and oh my gosh, what's happening? That was an odd
Speaker 1: That was perhaps a poor choice by the editor to
Speaker 1: put that. Maybe it was just we didn't know yet,
Speaker 1: so they wanted to confuse us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and was that before or after he bumped his
Speaker 2: head and got knocked out. I can't remember.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the source of his confusion, Yeah, or maybe
Speaker 1: he just wants to just in case somebody's looking.
Speaker 2: Right, just keep keep up the the facade.
Speaker 1: And SAYID is so sure that Henry is lying that
Speaker 1: even when he finds the balloon, he digs up a
Speaker 1: grave to prove him wrong, and that that certainly is
Speaker 1: a parent From a parenting point of view, we've been
Speaker 1: there that you just know, you know the kids lying
Speaker 1: to you. You know it's lying to you. Everything seems
Speaker 1: to be supporting, but you know you no, and you
Speaker 1: know they know you know, And you're gonna just kind
Speaker 1: of keep looking into this until it becomes apparent.
Speaker 2: Right, until you have the real hard evidence that you've
Speaker 2: been looking for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like you're telling a good story, but no, right,
Speaker 1: I'm onto you, And most of the time you're proven right.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you're wrong, But I have never had to actually
Speaker 1: dig up a grade. Usually the the evidence presents itself
Speaker 1: in a more palatable way. Usually I just wear them
Speaker 1: down right to the point where they just go fine,
Speaker 1: they're trying.
Speaker 2: That with with Henry, but what'sn't working. Also, when you
Speaker 2: keep letting him out to give him cereal, then you know,
Speaker 2: you kind of defeat the purpose.
Speaker 1: Right, So if they had staged this whole thing to
Speaker 1: freak him out so we would tell the truth. But no,
Speaker 1: what tripped that terrifying thing? And Block's gonna want to
Speaker 1: trip it again so he can see that man, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: or whatever that is. I can't remember honestly what it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, some kind of diagram or map or something.
Speaker 1: Most I feel like sometimes complex they just throw things,
Speaker 1: in this case literally at the wall and say we'll
Speaker 1: figure out what the bleep that is later, which eventually
Speaker 1: came back to bite them. Yes, by the time they
Speaker 1: circled back with their explanation, fans had already been spending months,
Speaker 1: like writing treatises on what it means. And they're like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: we just were gonna say.
Speaker 2: If they don't want to hear different, somebody.
Speaker 1: Put up, Yeah, oh no, that doesn't mean anything, but wait,
Speaker 1: there's ten thousand words on what it does. It was
Speaker 1: a fun time. It really was a fun time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Doc Johnsen on UW just coming up with stuff it's delightful. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, the whole lot Lock flashback thing, I just
Speaker 1: I mean, you knew as soon as they said his
Speaker 1: dad was dead that this was another con, and you're
Speaker 1: just waiting for the I mean, I think we've seen
Speaker 1: the not really Dead con enough times and enough different shows.
Speaker 1: I mean even John Ralfio did the not really Dead con.
Speaker 1: So it's it's yeah, okay, he's gonna catch him up.
Speaker 1: And then and it Katie Sigal turns down as proposed.
Speaker 1: Just man, why does she even have to tell him?
Speaker 1: Why would she not see that name in the paper
Speaker 1: and say, nope, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna mention that not
Speaker 1: going there exactly, She too should have understood that just
Speaker 1: because it says that the paper he's dead.
Speaker 2: Un mean, he's dead right well. And also, like you said,
Speaker 2: like we've been over this, why would you reopen that
Speaker 2: that word for any reason, any reason at all, don't
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 1: I mean, we know why Locke would do it, because
Speaker 1: he's a sad sack loser, but why would she do it?
Speaker 1: Why would she not say I'm gonna go put this
Speaker 1: out in the recycling yet. So that was a strategic
Speaker 1: mistake on her part.
Speaker 2: And look what happened. Girl. You could have been married
Speaker 2: to this fine specimen and instead, goodness, no you missed out.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think probably probably all works out to the
Speaker 1: better for her, right, But just everything about his story
Speaker 1: is like a lid door land.
Speaker 2: Landing on your legs that we're working and now I
Speaker 2: don't know, I'm concerned about what the effect of that
Speaker 2: door is going to be on his new legs.
Speaker 1: This man been through enough.
Speaker 2: Really, we still haven't in the flashback, got into how
Speaker 2: his legs got we haven't injured in the first place.
Speaker 2: So that's still coming for us to look forward to. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we can't wait.
Speaker 1: Just so so sad. Yeah, this is a super boring episode.
Speaker 1: We need to move along now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so hopefully we can do that.
Speaker 1: Next week will be maybe we'll get into the Henry
Speaker 1: back story. Hm hmmm, that would be fine.
Speaker 2: I believe it's a it's a Hurley episode, and a
Speaker 2: Hurley we don't want. We don't want to see sad
Speaker 2: and bad things happening to Hurley. We don't.
Speaker 1: But so maybe he's got a black light hidden somewhere
Speaker 1: that he could bring in Here, Charlie, here, Charlie could
Speaker 1: easily have a black light.
Speaker 2: On him well or Sawyer. Of course that's right.
Speaker 1: If anybody else had when Sawyer probably hasn't. Now, somebody
Speaker 1: on that plane surely travels with blat don't people have
Speaker 1: those to like check for Yeah, yeah, somebody probably is
Speaker 1: flying with one of them. They could, they could rig us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so and then they can put up some groovy posters anyway.
Speaker 1: Next So next Tuesday, we'll continue with season two, episode
Speaker 1: eighteen of Lost Dave. That was his friend, right, I
Speaker 1: think so? Yeah, that was Harley's friend. I think we
Speaker 1: will see you back here tomorrow to discuss running point
Speaker 1: to which nobody gets hit by a heavy lid wall
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