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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families.

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<v Speaker 1>Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of

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<v Speaker 1>an older entertainment property, And for this week of April fourteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>we are continuing with Loss Season two, episode seventeen, Lockdown,

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<v Speaker 1>in which both in the past and in the present,

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<v Speaker 1>John Locke is indeed down.

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<v Speaker 2>He's down.

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<v Speaker 1>He's down on one knee getting rejected. He's down in

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<v Speaker 1>the dumps because his dad conned him again from beyond

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<v Speaker 1>the Gray. He's down because of the big metal wall

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<v Speaker 1>crashed on his legs. He is just down. Man down,

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<v Speaker 1>Just keep low, John, just oh my goodness. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a prime example of an episode that screams, oh shoot,

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<v Speaker 1>we have more episodes this season, and we have content.

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<v Speaker 1>What are we gonna do? Hey? Did you know John

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<v Speaker 1>Locke is an incredible sad sack and Louiser let's go

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<v Speaker 1>over that again.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's let's revisit both the failed relationship and the

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<v Speaker 2>bad dad.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. Oh and justin you know, uh fur fun will

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<v Speaker 1>make his current life really bad too, right, although he

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<v Speaker 1>did get to see a nifty map in the Black.

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<v Speaker 2>Lives that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>On the floor incapacitated. Yes, this was not fun this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>I could have skipped over this episode. There was, in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>despite your very certain doubts about the existence of a balloon,

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<v Speaker 1>there was in fact one. Yes, but yes there was one,

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<v Speaker 1>but also does not belong to the individual.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, previously known as Henry Gale, which he turns out,

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<v Speaker 2>appropriated from some other guy that he married.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you know what his name is, but I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do anyway. Yeah, So that was I mean, the

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<v Speaker 1>only interesting thing that happened in this episode happened in

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<v Speaker 1>the last five minutes, and the rest of it was and.

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<v Speaker 2>Mostly off care like yeah, you know, Sayid comes back

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<v Speaker 2>and he's like, okay, well I've found your grave. That's

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<v Speaker 2>allegedly your wife. So I am. I checked and it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't her.

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<v Speaker 1>Dug it up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but we didn't see that. I mean, this is.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, do you want to see, say you dig up

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<v Speaker 1>a grave, I probably don't know. I didn't even have

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<v Speaker 1>a shovel, did he? He just just yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But also, I mean that's dramatic, like digging it up

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<v Speaker 2>and realizing it's not who you were told it was.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe they shot that scene and then and then I'm like, eh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of gross, kund of disturbing.

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<v Speaker 2>But we've It's not like we haven't seen them come

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<v Speaker 2>across dead body.

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<v Speaker 1>They have Anna Lucia with them, who is an expert

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<v Speaker 1>at digging pits. Come on, she could have had that

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<v Speaker 1>body dug up in no time. Put her to work exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a missed callback there, you guys, come on,

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<v Speaker 1>you just see that grave and Aunta Lucia said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>let's stick it up. I haven't dug me a pit

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<v Speaker 1>for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a technique, watch, watch and learn.

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<v Speaker 1>If you know your dudes cross me, you'll be in there, Charlie,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at you. I don't think she'd tried to

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<v Speaker 1>throw in the pit. But Charlie could absolutely find himself

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<v Speaker 1>in a In fact, I'm surprised he hasn't yep oop

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, he's kind of a loser and things

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<v Speaker 1>happened to him too. I know that. I don't even

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<v Speaker 1>if they'll tell us again though, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't even know how or why he ended up on

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<v Speaker 2>this little errand like I don't remember that being discussed.

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<v Speaker 1>His agent said, come on, he needs more screen time,

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<v Speaker 1>give him something to do. Yeah, not like things were

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<v Speaker 1>going well for him on the beach.

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<v Speaker 2>No they weren't, that is true.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway. So this was.

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<v Speaker 2>This was the thing we watched, and then we you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Locke gets himself stuck under a you know, very heavy door,

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<v Speaker 2>and so he has to depend on you know, quote

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<v Speaker 2>Henry quote yes to help him, which you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like you know your kids. Your kids have

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<v Speaker 2>to rely on you, and they may they may not

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<v Speaker 2>wish to, they may wish to exert their independence, but

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<v Speaker 2>then they may find that it doesn't work out so

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<v Speaker 2>well for them.

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<v Speaker 1>That is very much like being caught in something and

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<v Speaker 1>then having to tell your kid to do something that

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<v Speaker 1>is your responsibility, right, and you're like worried the entire time.

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<v Speaker 1>Are they going to do it? Are they going to

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<v Speaker 1>do it right? Or are they going to do it

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<v Speaker 1>the way I would do it? Are they going to

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<v Speaker 1>be safe? Was this a bad idea? Should I have

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<v Speaker 1>just my legs off and got done it myself?

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly?

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<v Speaker 1>You're always worried. And then when they when they do

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<v Speaker 1>it right, it's wonderful. And then you know you think,

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<v Speaker 1>does this mean they don't need me anymore?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, he had to tell Henry all the details

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<v Speaker 1>of the computer and the number to put in and

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<v Speaker 1>all those things that Jack was telling everybody don't tell

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<v Speaker 1>him those things. But what could he do? You have

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to do it right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I feel like it goes both ways. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it happens where the kid is. You know, you have

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<v Speaker 2>to rely on the kid, whether it's simply like go

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<v Speaker 2>get me some more toilet paper because I'm stuck here,

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<v Speaker 2>or it's the other way around, where the kid is

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm doing this by myself. And then yes, then

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<v Speaker 2>they have to like admit defeat.

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<v Speaker 1>Life skills.

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<v Speaker 2>Then we had the poker game as a side side

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<v Speaker 2>question there.

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<v Speaker 1>Man Sawyer is a smart dude. You should know. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't play poker with that guy. You're gonna lose. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess he thinks he's smart. But once you start losing,

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<v Speaker 1>you need to stop unless you have a real good

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<v Speaker 1>con that can get you out of it. Go look

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<v Speaker 1>at the call sheet. See who's at the top of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably you don't want to play both were not you,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when he is when he is cocky about it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, that was pretty predictable. But I didn't realize

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<v Speaker 1>Sawyer had taken the medical supplies as well as the

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<v Speaker 1>UH as well as the guns.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's how he had the he had the pregnancy test.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the pregnancy test, because I thought that was

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<v Speaker 1>stuff off of planes. But was that something out of

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<v Speaker 1>the hatch?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it a Dharma Brandon test. It's been there as

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<v Speaker 1>long as the ranch dressing is.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know how effective that is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's the Island Walgreens and he's taking a hefty

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<v Speaker 1>mark up. Yeah. But also Jack, you know, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>when mom finally t decides to take a day off

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<v Speaker 1>of herself and do things that make her happy and

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<v Speaker 1>have a little fun and then everything goes to bleed

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<v Speaker 1>at home. Yes, Jack picked a pretty bad day to

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<v Speaker 1>be out of the hatch. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it also wouldn't have happened if he was in

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<v Speaker 2>the hatch.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, That's true. It's like one of those movies. It's

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<v Speaker 1>home alone, and you know, you can't You can't put

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<v Speaker 1>down that responsibility even for a minute, Jack, not even

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<v Speaker 1>for a second. Look what happens, all the things that happened.

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<v Speaker 1>He's never going to leave that place again, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was even when he's going home, he's gonna walk Kate

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<v Speaker 1>back to camp. You know. It's just like he really

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't want to go back in there. Yeah, and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I relate still, Yes, maybe maybe just to check in

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<v Speaker 1>once or twice during the course of the day. But

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<v Speaker 1>he can't be mad at Locke for letting Henry know everything,

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<v Speaker 1>because where were you mom? Decide what to do? You're

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<v Speaker 1>always bossing me around and now I can't even think

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<v Speaker 1>for myself. Oh well, yeah, don't do that, don't stay away,

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<v Speaker 1>don't take a day off from your responsibilities. Nope, it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 2>Certainly he does not, But I did. I did enjoy

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<v Speaker 2>Kate just watching the three the three guys, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>not curly. Wasn't princess painting so much?

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, watching Jack and Sawyer and asking if they

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<v Speaker 1>want her to bring her She had time, Yes, she did,

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<v Speaker 1>very fun. But look what happens when you have a

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<v Speaker 1>little fun. Yeah, all sorts of weird stuff goes down.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think Locke had time to, you know, memorize

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<v Speaker 2>what was on that picture that he saw on the

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<v Speaker 2>back of the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, what what caused that all to happen?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you would assume that possibly it is the nefarious,

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<v Speaker 1>not Henry, that made it happen in some way, But

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<v Speaker 1>there were some shots of him in his cell looking

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<v Speaker 1>genuinely afraid and freaked out, And I'm like, is that

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<v Speaker 1>just for us?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Does he know there's a camera there? Why are we

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<v Speaker 1>seeing this? Because I really don't think he used that

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<v Speaker 1>freaking out this particular dude. If he is, if he

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<v Speaker 1>is not who we think he is, but somebody else, right,

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<v Speaker 1>he would be going, Yes, an opportunity for me, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and oh my gosh, what's happening? That was an odd

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<v Speaker 1>That was perhaps a poor choice by the editor to

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<v Speaker 1>put that. Maybe it was just we didn't know yet,

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<v Speaker 1>so they wanted to confuse us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and was that before or after he bumped his

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<v Speaker 2>head and got knocked out. I can't remember.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's the source of his confusion, Yeah, or maybe

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<v Speaker 1>he just wants to just in case somebody's looking.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, just keep keep up the the facade.

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<v Speaker 1>And SAYID is so sure that Henry is lying that

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<v Speaker 1>even when he finds the balloon, he digs up a

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<v Speaker 1>grave to prove him wrong, and that that certainly is

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<v Speaker 1>a parent From a parenting point of view, we've been

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<v Speaker 1>there that you just know, you know the kids lying

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<v Speaker 1>to you. You know it's lying to you. Everything seems

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<v Speaker 1>to be supporting, but you know you no, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know they know you know, And you're gonna just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of keep looking into this until it becomes apparent.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, until you have the real hard evidence that you've

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<v Speaker 2>been looking for.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like you're telling a good story, but no, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm onto you, And most of the time you're proven right.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you're wrong, But I have never had to actually

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<v Speaker 1>dig up a grade. Usually the the evidence presents itself

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<v Speaker 1>in a more palatable way. Usually I just wear them

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<v Speaker 1>down right to the point where they just go fine,

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<v Speaker 2>That with with Henry, but what'sn't working. Also, when you

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<v Speaker 2>keep letting him out to give him cereal, then you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you kind of defeat the purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So if they had staged this whole thing to

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<v Speaker 1>what tripped that terrifying thing? And Block's gonna want to

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<v Speaker 1>trip it again so he can see that man, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever that is. I can't remember honestly what it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, some kind of diagram or map or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Most I feel like sometimes complex they just throw things,

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<v Speaker 1>in this case literally at the wall and say we'll

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<v Speaker 1>figure out what the bleep that is later, which eventually

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<v Speaker 1>came back to bite them. Yes, by the time they

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<v Speaker 1>circled back with their explanation, fans had already been spending months,

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<v Speaker 1>like writing treatises on what it means. And they're like, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we just were gonna say.

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<v Speaker 2>If they don't want to hear different, somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>Put up, Yeah, oh no, that doesn't mean anything, but wait,

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<v Speaker 1>there's ten thousand words on what it does. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a fun time. It really was a fun time. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Doc Johnsen on UW just coming up with stuff it's delightful. So,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the whole lot Lock flashback thing, I just

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you knew as soon as they said his

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<v Speaker 1>the not really Dead con enough times and enough different shows.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean even John Ralfio did the not really Dead con.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's it's yeah, okay, he's gonna catch him up.

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<v Speaker 1>And then and it Katie Sigal turns down as proposed.

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<v Speaker 1>Just man, why does she even have to tell him?

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<v Speaker 1>Why would she not see that name in the paper

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<v Speaker 1>and say, nope, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna mention that not

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<v Speaker 1>going there exactly, She too should have understood that just

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<v Speaker 1>because it says that the paper he's dead.

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<v Speaker 2>Un mean, he's dead right well. And also, like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>like we've been over this, why would you reopen that

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<v Speaker 2>that word for any reason, any reason at all, don't

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we know why Locke would do it, because

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<v Speaker 1>he's a sad sack loser, but why would she do it?

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<v Speaker 1>Why would she not say I'm gonna go put this

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<v Speaker 2>And look what happened. Girl. You could have been married

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<v Speaker 2>to this fine specimen and instead, goodness, no you missed out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think probably probably all works out to the

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<v Speaker 1>better for her, right, But just everything about his story

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<v Speaker 1>is like a lid door land.

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<v Speaker 2>Landing on your legs that we're working and now I

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<v Speaker 1>This man been through enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, we still haven't in the flashback, got into how

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<v Speaker 2>his legs got we haven't injured in the first place.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's still coming for us to look forward to. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we can't wait.

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<v Speaker 1>Just so so sad. Yeah, this is a super boring episode.

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<v Speaker 1>We need to move along now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so hopefully we can do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Next week will be maybe we'll get into the Henry

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<v Speaker 1>back story. Hm hmmm, that would be fine.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe it's a it's a Hurley episode, and a

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<v Speaker 2>Hurley we don't want. We don't want to see sad

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<v Speaker 2>and bad things happening to Hurley. We don't.

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<v Speaker 1>But so maybe he's got a black light hidden somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>that he could bring in Here, Charlie, here, Charlie could

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<v Speaker 1>easily have a black light.

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<v Speaker 2>On him well or Sawyer. Of course that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>If anybody else had when Sawyer probably hasn't. Now, somebody

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<v Speaker 1>on that plane surely travels with blat don't people have

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<v Speaker 1>those to like check for Yeah, yeah, somebody probably is

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<v Speaker 1>flying with one of them. They could, they could rig us. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so and then they can put up some groovy posters anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Next So next Tuesday, we'll continue with season two, episode

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen of Lost Dave. That was his friend, right, I

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<v Speaker 1>think so? Yeah, that was Harley's friend. I think we

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<v Speaker 1>will see you back here tomorrow to discuss running point

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<v Speaker 1>to which nobody gets hit by a heavy lid wall

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