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Speaker 1: He is pet Life Radio. Let's talk pets. Welcome to

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Animal Rights on pet Life Radio. That's your host, Tim Blink,

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and I'm so glad you're joining us today. Got a

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really fun and interesting show coming up. We're going to

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talk about wolfs. We're going to talk about illustrations, We're

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going to talk about all kinds of wonderful stuff to

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do with our wolf companions and conservation, and of course

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we'll mostly talk to the author Leo Kattia George about

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her recent book Trumpet the Miracle Wolf Pup Trumpet Becomes

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a Mom. So we're gonna talk a little bit about

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the book itself, her work with the wolf conservation, and

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also talk to her about writing. How's that going now?

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Is it like to put the care of the book.

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So it's gonna be a fun show, very interesting. So

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over the hangtight. We'll come back right after this commercial break.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to animal rights on pet Life Radio. Join

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me now is author and superduper volunteer the Wolf Conservation Center,

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Leo Katia George Leocadio. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 4: Hi, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm so excited about having you on the show.

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You know, we do a lot of different authors and

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we don't often though, get to talk to those that

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are involved in animal conservation and then turning that into

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a book that has wonderful illustrations and gets a solid

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message across. And that's what you've accomplished obviously with Trumpet

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the Miracle Wolf Pup. Trumpet becomes a mom some congratulations.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, tell us a little bit about the book itself

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and how it came to be.

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Speaker 4: So the book is now a series, and it's actually

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about one of the wolves at the Wolf Conservation Center.

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She is a Mexican gray wolf. She is critically endangered,

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and her nickname happens to be Trumpet. And when I

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learned of her story, I thought this is perfect for

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young kids, so I decided to write it down and

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have her story help save her species.

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Speaker 1: Is a wonderful cause and a wonderful way to go

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about doing things, and getting our youth involved at a

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very early age is the most important thing of all.

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So in the series then I had to jump right

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in there. Did you ever envision this being a series?

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Was it more of volunteering to help a good cause?

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do a little bit more and do something different. How

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did all that come about?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So originally it was supposed to be one book,

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but I did want it to be for younger kids.

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that would have been way too much for let's say

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a three or four year old to kind of sit through.

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So at some point I said, you know, this has

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got to be broken up into different segments, and it

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actually is now four segments, but with a fifth one

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hopefully coming out next year, let's see. But yeah, each

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segment is a little a different portion of her life,

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and I like that it just kind of highlights also

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a bit a conservation, just to kind of introduce young

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kids to conservation, especially for wolves. I think that's very important.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely So when you put together then the various

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books and breaking it down into a series, is it chronological?

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the middle and go back to the previous books. How

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did you decide which ones to put out first?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I started off, you know, with her beginning

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with her birth, her miraculous birth. But people don't have

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to start from the beginning if they don't want to.

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excited about, you know, seeing a pup development, then just

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go for the second book, which is Trumpet Grows Up.

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It goes through the different stages of pup development, including

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some you know, little funny moments of you know, her

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taking a tumble or her smelling mommy's poop. But yeah,

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so people can choose it out of order and can

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Speaker 1: Fantastic, Now, why Trumpet obviously there's a lot of wolves,

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a lot of them, I'm sure that you take care

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of and are part of what makes Trumpet so special.

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the most genetically distinct wolf in the entire program. They

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didn't think that he could have puppies, and lo and

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beholds he did have a puppy Trumpet. She was considered

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a miracle birth. So when I learned that part about it,

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and then also how she got her nickname, which was

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spoiler alert, she was allowed like a trumpet. But I

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just thought, you know, this is the perfect story for

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younger kids to relate to. It's easier for a young

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child to relate to one character versus let's say three

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puppy in the family, I thought that was a great

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opportunity to highlight her story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's a real life story as well. Yeah,

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because through the hearing, and I think that's a brilliant

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part of it as well, because obviously through the book

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we learned a lot about wolf conservation. We see the

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story unfold and then we can reflect back that it

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is a real live wolf.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you can watch her on the web cameras. The

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Wolf Conservation Center has live web cameras. In fact, in

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the fourth book, trump It becomes a mom, she actually

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gave birth to the puppies that are featured and introduced

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in the fourth book. She gave birth to them live

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on those cameras. They have a den camera. She chose

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that den and we got to watch her giving birth,

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nursing her puppies, and just coming into her own becoming

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a wonderful, caring mom.

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Speaker 1: That is so nice. That is so nice. So when

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you're putting the gear the book and you're breaking it

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into various sections and the various serious parts of it,

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little bit earlier. Was it chronological or is it something

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that you know, how do you define certain parts that

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would be interesting as far as putting them down in

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So obviously the first one introduces her. She's born

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to that, especially when you know the character Babs, who

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is a real person. She lifts the top of the

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box and there's trumpet and it's a big surprise and

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that there is a puffy And so the second thing,

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is so fun to see how quickly they develop and

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the stages. The third one, you know, obviously Trumpet had

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to have puppies of her own to be able to

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continue giving that genetic DNA through her puppies. So she

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was introduced to another wolf, and that wolf was flown

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in from Arizona to the Wolf Conservation Center by a

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group of pilots that donate their flights to saving endangered

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species called Lighthawk Conservation Flying, and as a thank you,

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her mate was nicknamed Lighthawk. So that's the perfect way

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to introduce to kids that you know, not only do

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with conservation, but you also have a group of pilots

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Speaker 1: And I think that's important part of it as well,

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because you know, there are wonderful stories to begin with,

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and the illustrations that were done by Maddie Moore, a fantastic,

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fun love. I love every part of that, but the

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messages and the different aspects of it. I mean, because

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if you're I could imagine, if you're a child, not

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only do you love the illustrations in the storyline, but

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then you hear about the wolves being real and how

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to help them and how to help them thrive. And

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a group in there that's time, you know that that

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does the work, the rescue work, and flies them in.

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that has a certain interest into the the theme of

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the book as.

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Speaker 4: Well, right, exactly, that's great.

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Speaker 1: That's great. So as writing the books, I mean, is

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your background in writing or did you get an epiphany

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at some point or how did that all come about? No?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I you know, I do like writing, but

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like this. But I you know, I really saw the

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opportunity for her story to be to be given as

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a children's book, and I said, you know, originally I

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you know, I'll help you write it, and of course

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they're all like, yeah, we got a lot on our

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plate right now. And so then I asked if I

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I just didn't want to let this go. I wanted

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her story to reach young kids.

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Speaker 1: I love that. I love that. So he or she

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who speaks up first often gets the pleasure, right, goodness, Well,

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tell us a little bit about the Wolf Conservation Center,

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where it's at and how people can get involved in that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's in South Salem, New York, probably about you know,

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forty five minutes maybe an hour outside of New York City.

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So people can go there to visit. They just would

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need to sign up for a program and learn about

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the wolves. But like I said, they can also follow

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them on Facebook or go to their site and watch

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on the web cameras learn about the wolves. They have

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activities that are great for school kids but also you know,

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Speaker 1: Nice, We'll definitely post the website and all the information

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take a quick commercial break. We'll come back read this

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which is of course Trumpet the Miracle Wolf Pup, Trumpet

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everybody hang tight, we'll be back right for this. You're

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Conversation with author Leocadi At your words and look Trumpet,

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the Miracle Wolf pup, Trumpet becomes a mom and of

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course the whole series that goes along with Trumpet. So

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put together the book. We talked a little bit about, Okay,

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you wanted this done, they said they're kind of busy,

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and so you did it yourself. Now, how did you

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find the whole process? Was it super breezy easy, you know,

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greet somebody to illustrate some stuff. Done in a week,

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we're ready to go, or was there a whole lot

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more to it than that?

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to stay true to her experiences, the events in her life,

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but some of it was also through observation of various puppies.

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with the second book, with the pupp development, a lot

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of it I actually got from the web cameras watching

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the other puppies, you know, kind of you know, the

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tumbles that they take, you know, the crouching down with

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the and I'll put the playing but playing with frogs

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in quotes, because it was always playing with frogs. But

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they definitely have a lot of frogs there, and so

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that's kind of fun to watch the puppies bouncing around

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with the frogs or chasing them. And so yeah, so

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and observation, either of Trumpet and her family or of

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the other puppies.

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Speaker 1: And so you mentioned earlier about how do I you know,

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I'm focusing on as an author on young adult young

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kids to get them interested in what I'm trying the

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message I'm trying to send while making it fun. How

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did you peer that down? Because I could imagine, Okay,

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you said, Okay, I've got all this, it's too big,

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so we're going to put it in a series. But

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yet I still only have you know, handful of pages

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to get the message across. You know, how do you

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go about weeding out saying Okay, here's the important bits,

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here's the interesting bits. Where do they collide or where

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what do I need to take out? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: So often what I would find was, if I was

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trying to explain certain aspects on a page, I would

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really have to say, you know, do I really need

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to say all of this? Can I make the point

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just in a sentence or two sentences just to kind

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of make it not so scientific? Let's let's put it

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that way. And so that was that was a bit

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of a challenge. But I thought I did a pretty

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good job. And I also recognized that some of the

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story is going to be told not only in the

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written form but also through the illustration. So I really

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did work with Mattie Moore as far as how I

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wanted the illustration to look to also further that message

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that I'm trying to create in that story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and choosing the right illustrator, I mean, whether it's

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someone you know or someone you've heard about to get

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that message across. How was that whole process?

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Speaker 4: So it was definitely interesting. There was a good we

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had a good back and forth conversation, and she definitely

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wanted to work with me as far as what my

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vision was. I did throw her a little bit of

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a challenge. I asked her not to show the people's

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faces in the books. I just wanted the faces of

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the wolves being shown. I really wanted the kids to

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relate to the wolves, to make that emotional connection with

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the wolves rather than the people. But obviously the people

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do have an important role in her stories, and so

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one of the things I would try to kind of

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do is if someone had I guess, a signature look

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that we could recognize, or a certain outfit that they

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always were, I would have that person in that outfit

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so that they could be recognizable. But I did want

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their face to be either covered or them looking away

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and that way, you know, and anytime the kids seeing,

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you know, two eyes a face, it's going to be

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of one of the wolves.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I love that. I love that. Who wants

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to look at the people, We want to look at

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the wolves. Yeah, So we'll skip back to the Wolf

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Conservation Center. How did you get involved in that and

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you've been doing it for close to a decade now,

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I guess, yeah, yeah, isn't that amazing?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? It was my sister in law. So she was

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visiting with my brother from Italy and she loves wolves.

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She found the Wolf Conservation Center. I didn't even know

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it existed, and she want to visit. Unfortunately, it was

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all booked out at that time, and so she wasn't

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able to visit. Neither was I. And I tried to

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go back a couple of times, and the plans with

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my friends kept on falling through, and so I saw

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that they had volunteer opportunities and I said, well, I

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like to volunteer. So I just signed up to volunteer,

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and that's how I got to see the wolves, and

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you know, they really had me yet.

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Speaker 1: Hello.

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Speaker 4: I saw what they were doing there. I learned a lot,

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and I just said, this is definitely for me.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love how it works out.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 1: I've had the pleasure of working with wolves myself a

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couple of conservation rescue organizations and gotten to go into

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close encounters with them, some more wild than others. But

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it's a wonderful species. It's a wonderful cause you got

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going on, and big kudos for volunteering and now writing

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about all the wonderful wolves there. So that's fantastic. Where

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can people find out more about you, what's going on,

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get the books and yeah, and maybe volunteer a little

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bit themselves.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So if they'd like to visit the Wolf Conservation

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Center's site, it's New York Wolf dot org. There they

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can find out about Trumpet the other wolves that they

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help save their If they'd like more information about me,

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they can either look at my bio at Briley and

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Baxter Publications. They have all the authors listed and I'm

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Leocadia George, so they can kind of learn a little

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bit more about me, or they can write me directly

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on email Leocadia Georget books at gmail dot com. And yeah,

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would welcome any dialogue with anybody interested.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Well, we'll get all those posted. So those that

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are in the area definitely come by and see the

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Wolf Conservation Center and if you live in the area,

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you can definitely volunteer or lind your tides or talents

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or both to the organization, and definitely everybody pick up

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the copy of the book and the series. It's Trumpet

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the Miracle Wolf Pup Trumpet Becomes a Mom and the

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whole series that goes along with it, written by Leocadia.

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George Leocadia, thank you so much for coming on the

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show today. Big kudos on the book and the series

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and keep up all the great work.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much.

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