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Speaker 2: Hey, good afternoon, everybody. Welcome to Iron the Ball here
Speaker 2: on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. You're Dave Silver.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to I am Dave Silver. Good to be back. Yes,
Speaker 2: good good. And then we have Kobe taking over controls,
Speaker 2: so wish just luck. I'm the new guy teaching him
Speaker 2: how to do it, so he'll be fine.
Speaker 3: He'll be fine. Hey, welcome David.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great to be I know that Kobe's gonna
Speaker 2: have a lot of stuff for breaking news, but the
Speaker 2: hits continue to happen for Arizona football. I'm not sure
Speaker 2: you saw another guy or two have decided to leave.
Speaker 2: I think that total is at least eighteen.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. Okay, you have the name mister Ukulele
Speaker 3: or one of those guys. Yes, you fine? You something?
Speaker 3: You know it's a guy who played Okay, the guy
Speaker 3: who played Tayata Ugulele. I believe defensive linemen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's a couple in the last since yesterday,
Speaker 2: since we did the show, so I think it could
Speaker 2: be eighteen or more. I'm anticipating some more as well.
Speaker 2: I thought originally it could be about, you know, fifteen sixteen,
Speaker 2: but it's it's beyond that, which you know, I didn't
Speaker 2: know this when I said this a few months ago,
Speaker 2: or maybe just as recently as a month ago, and
Speaker 2: you probably on the show when we talked about it,
Speaker 2: that there was some disconnect between the coach and the
Speaker 2: players and transfers happened right that this situation the portal happens,
Speaker 2: but key guys are leaving. So I still believe what
Speaker 2: I was saying earlier is was it factually correct where
Speaker 2: there was a disconnect between the players and the coach
Speaker 2: and they just didn't get him or vice versa.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because this doesn't just happen by accident, right, Well,
Speaker 4: I mean Jacob Monoho was a guy. That's I think
Speaker 4: I kind of surprise. I mean, I understand the team
Speaker 4: as gonna leave, and Fafita has not left, Burnett left,
Speaker 4: so I mean that whole little surf I connection seems
Speaker 4: to be breaking up a little bit.
Speaker 3: Hopefully Noah will stay.
Speaker 4: But you're right, you just don't know what these guys
Speaker 4: are thinking sometimes they're young, they're getting advice from everybody else,
Speaker 4: and sometimes it doesn't make sense. Sometimes it does. Maybe
Speaker 4: the coaches are like, okay, just go, We've got other
Speaker 4: people in mind.
Speaker 3: Things like that. So I mean the numbers will be
Speaker 3: they'll be replaced.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll be replaced, but with the talent, because we
Speaker 2: know what the talent was. Yeah, when they had talent.
Speaker 2: They're paid for the coach, right, And I'm sure you've
Speaker 2: been well you're in a different spot, and I bring
Speaker 2: your your work experience and my work experience into this
Speaker 2: where you you were your boss, you were your boss
Speaker 2: kind of you had a news director. But I'm sure
Speaker 2: there was a time where two, God, I don't want
Speaker 2: to go to work because I don't want to work
Speaker 2: for the boss that day, right, right, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 4: You just don't know if the boss understands what you do.
Speaker 4: And that's probably the same.
Speaker 3: Thing in football exactly.
Speaker 5: Some of the.
Speaker 4: Coaches are you know, they're supposed to be specific to
Speaker 4: certain positions and things like that, so they should know
Speaker 4: what each player is doing. But if the players field
Speaker 4: there's a disconnect, you know, where do you go?
Speaker 3: You think elsewhere?
Speaker 2: I suppose and how happy are you when you go
Speaker 2: to work because you when you're not either getting patted
Speaker 2: on the back, you're not beating couraged. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of different things. Yeah, and I say that just from
Speaker 2: my experience of covering teams where you could tell, and
Speaker 2: I know I could tell because if they had talent,
Speaker 2: would you.
Speaker 3: Say that they had talent? Yeah? How is that.
Speaker 2: Talent getting beat by three four touchdowns a game? Yeah,
Speaker 2: it doesn't happen unless you just don't give.
Speaker 4: A crap and then they can win a game like
Speaker 4: Utah early in the season or Houston later in the season,
Speaker 4: where you know, just blow a team away and they
Speaker 4: look great. In the next week they give up, you know,
Speaker 4: fifty points.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, who knows. We're not close enough to the
Speaker 4: to the specifics on some of that stuff. But you'd
Speaker 4: think that there would be some connection.
Speaker 2: And that's why Arizona likes it. They want to keep
Speaker 2: you at a distance so you don't know. Well, they're
Speaker 2: not going to come out and tell us hey, you know, no, no,
Speaker 2: but but but if people were there, but like back
Speaker 2: in the day, you know, and maybe Havier when he
Speaker 2: covered the team, we were there every day. We knew
Speaker 2: kind of the ins and outs, and lut allowed it
Speaker 2: until he probably got uncomfortable with it and started shutting
Speaker 2: things down. But because we were there all the time,
Speaker 2: Oh what happened here? You know, there was a situation here,
Speaker 2: they got tired of answering it. And since I want
Speaker 2: to say, Greg, were you around when Greg came.
Speaker 3: Yeah, at the very beginning, yes, at the very beginning.
Speaker 2: Okay, so he kind of started making it more corporate
Speaker 2: and it was less less gym live and goodish for
Speaker 2: you know, a good old boy stuff, and it became
Speaker 2: more corporate and and shut stuff up, shut stuff out.
Speaker 2: Sean Miller did the same thing, and he enjoyed it
Speaker 2: because he didn't really like talking to the locals. And
Speaker 2: the funny thing about it with Sean is the locals
Speaker 2: didn't screw him.
Speaker 3: It was the Nationals screw exactly right. So you know,
Speaker 3: you play with the devil, you get by the devil.
Speaker 4: So whereas Luke's had a pretty good group of guys
Speaker 4: like you, I mean, you were pretty positive there was Yeah,
Speaker 4: there was no no reason to really go after it.
Speaker 2: It was it was a very rare that we'd have
Speaker 2: to it. Very should I'll give you initition. In middle
Speaker 2: Joseph Blair got academically ineligible, maybe a calid Reefs thing
Speaker 2: or two, but it was not very at least known,
Speaker 2: and we had to do the stories. You you were
Speaker 2: there too, uh And and like you said, one day
Speaker 2: he called you out of the losers.
Speaker 4: Jave, what do you got going exactly? So you know,
Speaker 4: and you answered it. You answered the call because like,
Speaker 4: why has Ludelsen calling me at home?
Speaker 3: But it did? It did happen once or twice?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and with me too, me too, And I call
Speaker 2: him in early in the morning, and and and Bobby
Speaker 2: would answer this, this is Steve.
Speaker 3: What does you need for me?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 4: I mean, that's our business, it is, and it's we
Speaker 4: need to expect that to happen sometimes. And not everybody
Speaker 4: you write about is going to be happy with what
Speaker 4: you've written. That happens all the time everywhere.
Speaker 2: So invariably for me, David and I would write maybe
Speaker 2: ninety eight positive stories.
Speaker 3: The two that I wrote.
Speaker 4: They were negative I heard about, of course, I heard
Speaker 4: about of course, the same with us. I mean if
Speaker 4: I would say something very rarely controversial, I would get
Speaker 4: a phone call from whoever I was talking about and
Speaker 4: it didn't happen that often, but it you.
Speaker 3: Know, it's part of the job. And I'm sure you
Speaker 3: remember those.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I just steak thinking about them right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it is what it is, right, It's part
Speaker 2: of the business. Uh, And we're not there. I think
Speaker 2: more now and more, no more nowadays that the media
Speaker 2: is not so much in bed, but it's also in
Speaker 2: like because because they just want them to do well. Hey,
Speaker 2: and I'll say I'll say the situation up in Phoenix,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of positivity going on in Phoenix with
Speaker 2: the with the football team issue football team that hasn't
Speaker 2: happened in a while. There's some journalists that are raw
Speaker 2: raw raw raw ra ra sun devils. Yeah, it's kind
Speaker 2: of odd because it's a big market. That doesn't usually
Speaker 2: happen in a big market. The people working up there
Speaker 2: are pros, they've been there for a while, but certain
Speaker 2: some are just kind of like.
Speaker 4: Hey, yay, well it's been it's been a down time
Speaker 4: for a issue in a lot of sports. So maybe
Speaker 4: I don't know. Again, it just depends on how they
Speaker 4: want to approach their jobs. Sometimes they're gonna, you know,
Speaker 4: kind of sit back be kind of neutral, and others
Speaker 4: are like, hey, and I can't believe we got a
Speaker 4: team that's going to college football playoffs. You know, why
Speaker 4: don't we celebrate this? And I think the readers want
Speaker 4: to hear that. Yeah, and I go to when good
Speaker 4: things happen, I will go to see what you've written.
Speaker 4: I mean, rather than oh, gosh, I just lost by
Speaker 4: forty Do I really care what Steve?
Speaker 2: Let me tell you you're noting Rolle because every time
Speaker 2: they do well and I write, I get a lot
Speaker 2: of people who likes and likes and likes, and that's
Speaker 2: kind of how you kind of gauge your story. They lose,
Speaker 2: no one hell gives a crap what I write.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean sometimes there were there'd be such devastating games.
Speaker 4: I just didn't even open the computer. I just didn't
Speaker 4: even want to see. Let's go do something else today
Speaker 4: and not you know, read rehashes of a terrible performance.
Speaker 2: Well, the funny thing about it is that I'm sure
Speaker 2: you back in the day when you read when they
Speaker 2: would lose, you know, and I could give it, I
Speaker 2: was indifferent. And nowadays, because I'm more of a calumnist
Speaker 2: than than I'm a observer and I write, that's some
Speaker 2: of my best stuff because I can read a little starky. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, even when Corky and I were out on
Speaker 2: the road with the team, some of Quirky's best stuff
Speaker 2: was he was pissed. When he was he would get
Speaker 2: very snarky. And I said, Kirky, that's fantastic because he
Speaker 2: was a fan. I mean, that's that's well known, and
Speaker 2: he was kind of pulling for them, and so we
Speaker 2: know he'd be flowery.
Speaker 3: But when they lost, holy crap.
Speaker 4: Yeah we were. You know, we were kind of that
Speaker 4: way too. I think we tended to become a little more.
Speaker 3: Flowery.
Speaker 4: No, like when things are going bad, Like you know,
Speaker 4: I just can't believe I sat through that game kind
Speaker 4: of feeling, and you can you can sort of project
Speaker 4: that on the air, just how you feel how you
Speaker 4: felt that game went, without you know, really getting.
Speaker 3: Into the specifics.
Speaker 4: So sometimes, you know, you'll notice that with some media
Speaker 4: personalities too.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sure, of course Saturday, I was snarky in a weird
Speaker 2: way because they played, uh would they play Southern Utah?
Speaker 3: Southern Utah?
Speaker 2: And it was like the guys on Press row and
Speaker 2: and Jay and those guys doing the stats something. Well,
Speaker 2: we can't get these two hours back because you know,
Speaker 2: we sat through that game and what did you learn
Speaker 2: from that over in the first half? Yeah, what do
Speaker 2: you learn from that? And what does Tommy learn from
Speaker 2: that game?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, he he's what they said after
Speaker 4: was what he was, you know, talking about the rotation
Speaker 4: of players and some of the some of the typical
Speaker 4: kind of cliches that the coach will will draw from
Speaker 4: a game like that. But you know, we'll see it
Speaker 4: with UCLA. It's going to be a little bit different.
Speaker 4: Noual site you CLA. It's going to be fun.
Speaker 2: The rotation will be totally different because it'll it'll you
Speaker 2: you'll go, He'll go with his top seven or.
Speaker 3: Eight and who he trusts.
Speaker 2: He might he might trust Martinez a little bit more
Speaker 2: because Martinez is.
Speaker 3: More of the point guard. Now.
Speaker 2: I know that Jim Bradley is is a scoring guy.
Speaker 2: It's like Jason Terry was in ninety nine when he
Speaker 2: was a senior, but he they need people to be
Speaker 2: assist guys. Did you notice it?
Speaker 4: I mean I kind of was not paying his close attention,
Speaker 4: but when Martinez came in, was he dishing the ball?
Speaker 3: They point guards he can fire it up.
Speaker 2: Because he's dish first, shoot later, and he shot a
Speaker 2: few few shots. But it's more of a I'm gonna
Speaker 2: run the off fit type of thing, which this team needs,
Speaker 2: you know, because he have a bunch of scorers, got.
Speaker 4: The scores and you know if the big guys need
Speaker 4: to get the ball to get better, you know, they
Speaker 4: needed to you know, produce. But he's the kind of
Speaker 4: guy that can at least start that point, you know,
Speaker 4: maybe get you.
Speaker 2: The wing, get it to the inside and okay, see
Speaker 2: what happens at who's expense?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's the neither just neither just Tommy Lloyd. Yeah, because
Speaker 2: he is he going to take him and Bradley. He's
Speaker 2: going to take take out Caleb or kJ right right?
Speaker 2: You know, so that's that's the point.
Speaker 3: Of the whole thing. You have talent, oh not? What
Speaker 3: do I do with it? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, some guys maybe instead of playing you know,
Speaker 4: thirty six, will play thirty or something like that.
Speaker 3: They'll spread out the differences there and then you have
Speaker 3: kJ coming off the bench, which seemed to go well.
Speaker 3: He said, he liked it. He said he wanted it.
Speaker 2: I know, I had Corey, We had Corey Williams on
Speaker 2: yesterday and he says, that's a strange move because if
Speaker 2: you're a compared and you know you're good, why would
Speaker 2: you do that? You know, because you want to play
Speaker 2: and you want to start. You really, why would you
Speaker 2: do well? Jason Terry did it right, Yeah for a while,
Speaker 2: and he and he was better than a couple of
Speaker 2: those people out there. But he was the perfect role
Speaker 2: player for that position, for that spot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he filled it perfectly. Whether or not
Speaker 4: this generation of players want to do that and get
Speaker 4: their instant gratification, yeah, maybe not, but it's nice to see.
Speaker 4: I know pel Larson kind of went back and forth
Speaker 4: when he was here. That was paid off for him
Speaker 4: pretty well. Yeah, that was mentioned.
Speaker 2: Here's the issue, and I've said this before, if you're
Speaker 2: good enough, especially for the next level.
Speaker 3: Guess what, David, you're good enough?
Speaker 2: Like if you if you if you're good enough to
Speaker 2: get here in your job, they're hiring you for a reason, right,
Speaker 2: And if you're not good enough, you probably won't be here.
Speaker 4: I think it does and these guys know, I think,
Speaker 4: so you don't start, so you know, you come off
Speaker 4: the bench five minutes in and you're still going to play,
Speaker 4: you know, five to thirty five minutes.
Speaker 2: Anyway, it's like Brian, like Brian, you know, the the
Speaker 2: McDonald's all American blah blah blah. So how do you
Speaker 2: where do you find minutes for him? For a good
Speaker 2: player who's kind of still learning the ropes?
Speaker 4: You can tell. You can tell he's kind of hesitant.
Speaker 4: He's going to be you know, he wants to do something,
Speaker 4: and if he misses that first shot, it's like, now,
Speaker 4: what's he going to do next?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: You know, is he not gonna be is gonna be
Speaker 4: out of rhythm a little bit? So he's another guy
Speaker 4: that's gonna have they're gonna have to kind of baby
Speaker 4: him along.
Speaker 2: I think it's just funny you said that because you
Speaker 2: didn't notice. I didn't notice it until maybe two three
Speaker 2: weeks ago. It's very apparent right that he's kind of
Speaker 2: like gut shy or hesitant blah bla blah. I don't remember,
Speaker 2: and maybe I haven't thought about it. Another player like
Speaker 2: that who's at that quality or level five star McDonald's
Speaker 2: who lacked.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he lacks it.
Speaker 2: He's good very good in fact, but he lacks that
Speaker 2: that confidence or lacks that that that cockiness or whatever
Speaker 2: the word is.
Speaker 4: You know, it's interesting when they when they come off
Speaker 4: the bench or when they're starting, and sometimes it's that
Speaker 4: first shot, you know, if it he looks good, he
Speaker 4: feels good, and there's just something about you know, you
Speaker 4: know Caleb's struggle.
Speaker 3: Well, the crowd's kind of wondering what's happening.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure it's kind of in their heads
Speaker 4: as to how they feel when things don't go well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I think Kobey ready to hit and play
Speaker 2: and go go. And then to our first guest, Scott,
Speaker 2: I didn't even mention who he was. Right, we know
Speaker 2: Matt mil walk here for the first hour talking about
Speaker 2: you a basketball. He's seen a few, he's seen a
Speaker 2: few games already, so we'll get his analysis.
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Speaker 1: This is I on the ball on Fox Sports fourteen fidding.
Speaker 1: I want to take part in the show called Out
Speaker 1: Steve now went five to two oh four one, six seventy.
Speaker 2: Four hero Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. You're
Speaker 2: Dave Silver Now on the phone. We have Matt milboch former.
Speaker 2: You have a star legend.
Speaker 3: What are you, Matt mlbuck, Dude.
Speaker 5: I'm just I'm just a dude, man, I'm like the dude.
Speaker 5: What was that movie, Big big Lebowski? There you go
Speaker 5: on the dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm going to talk to you about that
Speaker 2: later after we talk about UA basketball. You've seen a
Speaker 2: few games, ready, You've done a few, right?
Speaker 5: Yeah? I did the first four games. They had the
Speaker 5: two exhibitions and then the first two games, and you know,
Speaker 5: and then I saw, of course saw their their games
Speaker 5: in uh in the Bahamas, and so yeah, I've had
Speaker 5: a pretty good.
Speaker 7: Feel for him so far.
Speaker 2: So we had Rhino one last week, and Rhino's great
Speaker 2: with his analysis because he knows yesterday we had Corey
Speaker 2: and I had two things. Defending the three point line
Speaker 2: is a concern, and I think everybody who doesn't see
Speaker 2: basketball knows that. But my whole thing with the team
Speaker 2: is and the things I noticed with you guys back
Speaker 2: in the day with the teams I covered with Lout
Speaker 2: and Tommy's first years, Sean not so much transition points.
Speaker 2: Lout would go on eighteen to two runs, twenty four
Speaker 2: to five runs and the game was over. Tommy hasn't
Speaker 2: been able to develop.
Speaker 5: That well, you mean, especially with this team, right, haven't correct?
Speaker 5: It feels like, I mean, because he's done it the
Speaker 5: first three years, I think he's pretty successful.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 7: They went on some crazy, some.
Speaker 5: Crazy runs those years and were super successful, and I
Speaker 5: think it's all been a little bit of a surprise, right,
Speaker 5: And maybe maybe they were rank a little high, you know,
Speaker 5: for for what they had, and they've they've had to.
Speaker 7: Kind of work through some stuff. I think.
Speaker 5: You know, when you go on runs like that, you know,
Speaker 5: we always think of the players right that offensively that
Speaker 5: you know, you got the Iguadalas and Sean Elliotts and
Speaker 5: Chris Mills and Michael Dickerson and all the you know
Speaker 5: guys that finish on the break. But that's all started
Speaker 5: by defense. And you know, this team hasn't been great defensively.
Speaker 7: They haven't been.
Speaker 5: Able to get the two, three, four stops in a
Speaker 5: row so that they can get in.
Speaker 7: Transition and finish.
Speaker 5: And I think that's been a little bit of the
Speaker 5: difference between this team and maybe the last few teams.
Speaker 5: And I think they've they've, they've I think the second
Speaker 5: thing to me, Steve, is just that you know, it
Speaker 5: hasn't clicked yet for this team, right, we've and sometimes
Speaker 5: I always say, it's like your front yard. You know,
Speaker 5: when your front yard looks great, nobody notices when it
Speaker 5: doesn't look good. You know, people notice and they say
Speaker 5: something about it. But so it's not as easy as
Speaker 5: it looks. And when it when they've made it look
Speaker 5: easy the last few years, we just kind of assumed that, oh,
Speaker 5: that's how every team does it, not the case, and
Speaker 5: they just it hasn't clicked yet for them. And I
Speaker 5: think that's that's just one of those things, and you know,
Speaker 5: lost some players from last year, and there's some different
Speaker 5: players playing. You lost like an incredible NBA glue guy
Speaker 5: in Pella, lost another NBA guy in key Shot, you know,
Speaker 5: and I think, uh, I think some players are playing
Speaker 5: a little bit, some new positions, trying to.
Speaker 7: Figure some stuff out.
Speaker 5: It just like I said, it hadn't clicked and they
Speaker 5: got to kind of they got.
Speaker 2: To figure it out. You know what I got from that,
Speaker 2: I need a gardener. Get me a gardener from my
Speaker 2: front yard.
Speaker 4: Isn't that going to be what probably a conversation that's
Speaker 4: happening all over the country with some of these teams.
Speaker 3: And he was just losing a couple of games.
Speaker 4: This week, and I mean, you got all these new
Speaker 4: players kind of just filtering in and trying to learn
Speaker 4: and learn what's going on. And it's gonna to be
Speaker 4: a challenge for these coaches to you know, kind of
Speaker 4: be chemists and put together the right pieces.
Speaker 5: Well that was the word, you know, Dave I was
Speaker 5: going to use, was chemistry. And when I when I
Speaker 5: call games and uh go see a coach for the
Speaker 5: first time, you know this season, or I typically asked
Speaker 5: him one of the first questions I asked him, is
Speaker 5: you know, how's your chemistry number one?
Speaker 7: And how do you develop it?
Speaker 9: Like?
Speaker 7: How do you you know?
Speaker 5: And I'll tell you it's like you said, you have
Speaker 5: to be a chemist and you get into the lab
Speaker 5: and there's there's a lot of tweaking that goes on.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of you know, just work in that area.
Speaker 5: You know, Tommy did a wonderful job of it his
Speaker 5: first three years, and not that he's not doing a
Speaker 5: good job this year. It's it's just that we saw
Speaker 5: it early on, right, We saw the the chemistry really
Speaker 5: work early on, and he does such a great job
Speaker 5: of getting his team to share the ball and be unselfish.
Speaker 5: And you know, they they they weren't perfect at that
Speaker 5: in the I think they struggled with that a little bit,
Speaker 5: struggled with that against Duke and Wisconsin, and but you know,
Speaker 5: it's it's and it has it's like one game, I
Speaker 5: thought the Wisconsin game they really struggled on defense. That
Speaker 5: was to me where they really struggled. I thought they
Speaker 5: were fine physical and played pretty good offensively. Caleb didn't
Speaker 5: play well and then on the flip side, you know,
Speaker 5: it played pretty well defensively against Duke and then all
Speaker 5: of a sudden, the offense you know, left them, and uh,
Speaker 5: you know, I also remember Duke might be the best
Speaker 5: team in the country when it comes down to it,
Speaker 5: when they play well, I think they might be the
Speaker 5: best team in the country. So you know, look, it's
Speaker 5: it's not perfect right now, and like I said, there's
Speaker 5: some development that needs to happen, and they're working on
Speaker 5: it in a weird way. Like I was super excited
Speaker 5: to see what would happen, and we're seeing it right now.
Speaker 5: We've seen one game right when they came back from
Speaker 5: the Bahamas, and how they would roll their sleeves up,
Speaker 5: how they would kind of get after it and get
Speaker 5: back to some of the bay that Tommy teaches so well.
Speaker 5: So I'm not panicked about this team or anything bigger
Speaker 5: picture than that, but certainly certainly not what we thought
Speaker 5: I think coming.
Speaker 7: Out of the gate.
Speaker 5: You know with that number what nine or ten ranking?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no question. So what do you think
Speaker 2: it needs to happen? Just play better defense? Well I
Speaker 2: asked ryanal this too, and I and I kind of
Speaker 2: knew his answer, and then probably saying you'll probably give
Speaker 2: me the same one. This team has struggled a little,
Speaker 2: so has Caleb. So a simple question as Caleb goes,
Speaker 2: so go the Cats.
Speaker 5: A little bit. I mean, he's definitely the alpha. I mean,
Speaker 5: he's a he's a he's gonna shoot it right, he's
Speaker 5: a he's a volume shooter. I think you know, Caleb
Speaker 5: to some degree might tell you, and I haven't talked
Speaker 5: to him, but he might say he's been trying to
Speaker 5: change his game a little bit right, to become a
Speaker 5: little bit more of a facilitator, a little bit more
Speaker 5: of a patient offensive player, and that might take some time.
Speaker 5: I mean I think you know, in those games, maybe
Speaker 5: he was a little uncomfortable with Okay, what's a good shot,
Speaker 5: what's not a good shot? You know, what's a questionable shot. Well,
Speaker 5: I think in the past, you know, to some degree,
Speaker 5: everything's been a good shot for him. So you know,
Speaker 5: he's he's confident, he believes in what he's doing, and
Speaker 5: when he plays well, you you love it, right, you
Speaker 5: can you can ride him like Carolina did all the
Speaker 5: way to the championship game. That's one of the great
Speaker 5: things about him.
Speaker 7: I think.
Speaker 5: So it's taken a little bit of time kind of
Speaker 5: figure that out. I think again back to just the
Speaker 5: chemistry of the team. You know, I think there's two things. One,
Speaker 5: you know, we always think of chemistry and like all
Speaker 5: the players you know, hang out together and like each
Speaker 5: other and their best buddies and all that. I mean,
Speaker 5: there's there is something to that. There's something to really
Speaker 5: enjoying your teammates and having really good guys that get.
Speaker 7: Along and that helps your chemistry.
Speaker 5: But the other thing is you got the greatest guys
Speaker 5: in the world, and sometimes they just it doesn't click
Speaker 5: right or it hasn't clicked. And maybe for this team,
Speaker 5: to me, you just haven't seen him click yet. You know,
Speaker 5: you and I remember, and all three of us remember,
Speaker 5: for whatever reason, Loot had some teams that really clicked early.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, they always clicked.
Speaker 5: Most of them were clicking like November, you know, fifteenth,
Speaker 5: they were.
Speaker 7: Ready to go. And Tommy had this.
Speaker 5: Tommy had the same thing his.
Speaker 7: First three years.
Speaker 5: It was, you know, someone asking I did a radio
Speaker 5: show recently. Someone asked me because Tommy had a big win,
Speaker 5: you know, in his three years, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 5: he beat Duke at Duke last year, the second game
Speaker 5: of the year. He's got a lot of big wins,
Speaker 5: and they they were clicking, you know, as well as
Speaker 5: they probably did all season from from sort.
Speaker 7: Of day one.
Speaker 5: And sometimes you just don't know. And sometimes you do
Speaker 5: everything you can and it's not clicking. Maybe, you know,
Speaker 5: and I use the or you know, just efficient or optimization.
Speaker 5: They just they haven't optimized what they have. And it
Speaker 5: is what it is, like, like I said to somebody's
Speaker 5: sort of excited to me as a fan, you know,
Speaker 5: to watch that and watch the the the watch them
Speaker 5: evolve as a team and get better and kind of
Speaker 5: roll their sleeves up.
Speaker 4: Maybe a strange analogy, but think about maybe sometimes you
Speaker 4: have a movie and you got all these great actors
Speaker 4: and the movie just isn't very good.
Speaker 3: Sometimes that's the way it is in sports.
Speaker 4: You've got some individuals that you know are terrific, but
Speaker 4: together as a group, it just doesn't work. So hopefully,
Speaker 4: you know, this is a long movie that gets better
Speaker 4: with time and these guys can get things rolling.
Speaker 5: Well, No, it's a good point, and we say it
Speaker 5: all the time. You know, you don't really want to
Speaker 5: play your best basketball obviously in November or December even
Speaker 5: and so you know, yeah, conference is coming up, and
Speaker 5: it might be the most you know, treacherous conference run
Speaker 5: they've ever had in a way, right.
Speaker 7: But I do think this.
Speaker 5: Look, I'll defend this to the day I die. I'm
Speaker 5: not saying the Pac twelve has been better than the
Speaker 5: Big twelve the last four or five years.
Speaker 7: But look at football. You know, people rip the Pac.
Speaker 5: Twelve for so long, and the team that finished what
Speaker 5: dead last in the conference just won the Big Twelve.
Speaker 5: The team that couldn't win the Pac twelve the last
Speaker 5: four years, Oregon, just won the Big Ten. And the
Speaker 5: other team that was dead last in the football the
Speaker 5: Pac twelve last year was what second in the Big twelve?
Speaker 7: That was Colorado.
Speaker 5: And I think, you know, there's a huge element of
Speaker 5: the of the marketing that goes on throughout the country
Speaker 5: and West Coast bias and the marketing or lack of
Speaker 5: marketing is a real thing. And you guys know like
Speaker 5: when we played with loots teams, you know, I don't
Speaker 5: you know, we walked through the season. I remember going
Speaker 5: to play at Duke, or at Illinois or at you know,
Speaker 5: Pitt or.
Speaker 7: Name a school.
Speaker 5: We played everywhere, and I would tell you to this
Speaker 5: day like it wasn't that much tougher than playing at
Speaker 5: cal or at Stanford or at UCLA. Like the players
Speaker 5: are the players, And I laugh sometimes I see like
Speaker 5: guys that say, you know, this league's better than that league,
Speaker 5: and you look at the roster, and the roster might
Speaker 5: be you know, five great players from LA. So it's
Speaker 5: you know, players now.
Speaker 3: Come from everywhere, go everywhere.
Speaker 5: Yeah, conferences tend to be cyclical and go up and down.
Speaker 5: The West Coast always had a problem because they have
Speaker 5: no other conference that that really stuck out of. It's
Speaker 5: just one conference on the West Coast. You know, there's
Speaker 5: always one conference, right, and so if it was having
Speaker 5: a great year, you heard about it. If it wasn't,
Speaker 5: you really heard about it. So look, I think it'll
Speaker 5: be a tough league. But you know, going to play
Speaker 5: at Oregon, going to even going to play at places
Speaker 5: like Washington State are are really hard, you know. And
Speaker 5: and and I think the football to some degree proved
Speaker 5: that this year. Like football's football, basketball is basketball. And
Speaker 5: if you're if Arizona's playing well and they're good, they'll
Speaker 5: they'll be successful in the Big Twelve, just like they
Speaker 5: were successful in the Pack Pac twelve. Well but if
Speaker 5: they don't play, well, they won't.
Speaker 3: Matt.
Speaker 2: I know, you got to go. You're an important dude,
Speaker 2: You're a dude, You're important. You got to go the dude. Yeah, thanks, Matt.
Speaker 5: We'll get We're gonna grab some white Russians like the dude,
Speaker 5: the dude to buys.
Speaker 3: Isn't that the word? The expression?
Speaker 7: That's right?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well, thanks Matt. We'll talk to you again soon when
Speaker 2: you have more time. I appreciate. We'll see you soon.
Speaker 7: Yep.
Speaker 3: Thanks.
Speaker 2: He had to get somewhere. We have a few more minutes,
Speaker 2: uh to talk more. There's a big game this weekend.
Speaker 2: He had some good points. Yeah, didn't even get to
Speaker 2: the U c l A game.
Speaker 3: I didn't get to much.
Speaker 2: And then yesterday we were talking about coaches and good dudes.
Speaker 2: Tough dudes invariably, daved invariably, and I don't know why
Speaker 2: this is.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: Who are some of the tougher dudes you think or
Speaker 2: we've covered in basketball?
Speaker 4: Specifically Wayne Womack. I remember back in the day he
Speaker 4: was he was. I don't think he ever smiled.
Speaker 3: Michael Wright.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Michael, but Michael had a soft side to him too. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but he was mean dude.
Speaker 3: He was mean. I remember, I remember, give me the ball,
Speaker 3: Give me the ball.
Speaker 2: And the guy's like, okay, I don't know, you know
Speaker 2: what the toughest dude, because you're talking tough dudes are
Speaker 2: the physical. Yeah, this guy that we just talked to,
Speaker 2: they said that he well he never lost here, right,
Speaker 2: he never lost. One of the very few guys. But
Speaker 2: the dude was a competitor. And that's that's how I
Speaker 2: was kind of dividing the tough dude.
Speaker 4: I'd like to kind of go back and look at
Speaker 4: who he was playing against, too, because he was in that,
Speaker 4: you know, with the post Shawn Elliott years, and there
Speaker 4: were still some great in those years too. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: I don't know Reggie, Reggie Miller was already gone, but
Speaker 4: I like Baron Davis and people like that he had
Speaker 4: to deal with.
Speaker 2: Davis was more Jason Terry. But there's still some of
Speaker 2: those guys.
Speaker 4: I need to do that one of these years and
Speaker 4: just just kind of look back and see who is
Speaker 4: on those rosters in those same eras and who those
Speaker 4: games were.
Speaker 3: Look at the box scores.
Speaker 4: You're right, I mean, no no losses at Mchael, No
Speaker 4: lost Michael and he was just one of those dudes
Speaker 4: we were talking yesterday.
Speaker 3: Who was with me yesterday? Cody?
Speaker 2: Cody, Yeah, Cody, and he knows the history. He was
Speaker 2: talking about how good this guy would be as a coach,
Speaker 2: because I said that the question was, mam, and I
Speaker 2: may have told you the question to ask you the question,
Speaker 2: how many good guys do you know are good coaches?
Speaker 2: And I'm talking good guys and you know because you've
Speaker 2: covered them. But because you have to have a pos
Speaker 2: person in you or an attitude where don't cross me
Speaker 2: or else, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Ye, Matt. Matt went the other direction. Is a lawyer,
Speaker 3: so he a little more job security there too. But
Speaker 3: he also had if you're not if you're a lawyer,
Speaker 3: you have to be is a pretty good guy you have? Well, yeah, but.
Speaker 2: He's a hell of a competitor, right, so you know
Speaker 2: when that switch goes on, you know that.
Speaker 3: You know he stood up to Michael Jordan, for.
Speaker 2: God's sake and said, don't mess to be yep, because
Speaker 2: you know, you have to have that edge to you.
Speaker 2: And that's where that the Cody used edge. You have
Speaker 2: to have that pos guy saying, Dave, don't do it again.
Speaker 2: Don't do it again, or you'll find out. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, lout for all intentsive purposes. But he
Speaker 2: was good guys with his crowd. He was tough to
Speaker 2: get through because he was didn't allow it. But he
Speaker 2: had his two you better play well for me or
Speaker 2: else type of thing.
Speaker 3: Yep. And they had enough good talents.
Speaker 4: You know that if hey, you know so and so
Speaker 4: is not playing well, there's somebody on the bench who
Speaker 4: might be ready to come in.
Speaker 2: And he said that not as well as Bobby Knight
Speaker 2: did the best fixed for any problems the bench, right exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and lut had And that's why I even even mentioned
Speaker 2: this to Tommy. The thing that made Arizona good for
Speaker 2: a long time, the second team would give the first
Speaker 2: team a pretty good run. In fact, next time we
Speaker 2: have Matt he I think it's nineteen eighty eight nine,
Speaker 2: he's he would put the teams together, right, the first team,
Speaker 2: second team, and the practice wouldn't.
Speaker 3: End to the first team beat the second team.
Speaker 2: Well, on this day, the second team was kicking the
Speaker 2: crap out of them. They didn't they didn't practice until
Speaker 2: he kind of fixed it. The end the practice were
Speaker 2: the first team finally won.
Speaker 4: There were so many good players and some of those
Speaker 4: teams were so deep in terms of their you know,
Speaker 4: overall numbers you could put together, you know, at least
Speaker 4: ten guys. Now Arizona's got what twenty guys on the bench,
Speaker 4: they could play four games.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they have twenty dudes, but only about nine
Speaker 2: good ones exactly. Yeah, the rest of them kind of
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Speaker 2: Do Dave Silver good to talk to Matt as always always?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the guy's been around the program for
Speaker 4: what thirty plus years?
Speaker 2: Now, I'm going to try to get him on the
Speaker 2: show and talk like free lawyer stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a fifteen minute consultation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's good, he's you know, obviously we've all watched him,
Speaker 4: you know, as a player and then you know as
Speaker 4: a broadcaster for so many years on all kinds of networks,
Speaker 4: the PAC twelve, and I know he's getting some play
Speaker 4: on whatever at ESPN Plus. And you didn't get a
Speaker 4: chance to ask him where where we'll see him most
Speaker 4: this year, But it sounds like the ESPN Plus is
Speaker 4: going to be one place.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, you know why that the nineteen eighty eight
Speaker 3: team was pretty good. Eighty nineteen.
Speaker 2: Look at the people he had on successful people, right,
Speaker 2: Kerr obviously one of the all time greats. He's an attorney.
Speaker 2: Matt Is is sewn has been. You know, he's one
Speaker 2: of the San Antonio stars on the radio now and
Speaker 2: TV Tolbert Tolbert. He's no longer at the station that
Speaker 2: I told you that, ye are you jacking?
Speaker 3: Yeah, shocking after twenty eight years.
Speaker 4: I have not followed it since he was let go
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks ago, but I would almost bet
Speaker 4: he'll be somewhere else in the end.
Speaker 3: I got to get ahold of him. He could be.
Speaker 3: I said, come out here be my co host, sorry, larious, think.
Speaker 4: We could do three of us could get Yeah, and
Speaker 4: he I mean he's a you know, fantastic on cambr
Speaker 4: went through a number of different co hosts with him,
Speaker 4: and just you know, his personality and his humor and
Speaker 4: just honesty was you know, played played so well, but
Speaker 4: he got caught up in corporate who hasn't who hasn't.
Speaker 2: Who hasn't And then you have a you know, Harry Mason,
Speaker 2: the president of the music American Music.
Speaker 3: I think I don't want to screw that up. But
Speaker 3: he's a big time dude.
Speaker 4: Runs the Grammys. He runs the Grammys, right yeah, what
Speaker 4: really what a collection should be in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4: Hopefully someday I'm going to miss some guys here, you know,
Speaker 4: but I don't know what what did Anthony Craig McMillan,
Speaker 4: Anthony Cook is doing, Craig is coaching still Santa Rosa. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so just you know, you can tell the success of
Speaker 4: the team, but the people, you know, in a way,
Speaker 4: they're competitors, you know, their competitors on the on the court.
Speaker 4: Look what they did that one year? What were they
Speaker 4: thirty five and three? And you know, then they go
Speaker 4: out into the real world and obviously, you know, Steve
Speaker 4: has had an unbelievable career that's going to put him
Speaker 4: in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3: It's some when he's finished.
Speaker 4: And you know, Sean Longevity has been in San Antonio
Speaker 4: again talking about a legend in their community. That's one
Speaker 4: of the good things about some of these UFA athletes.
Speaker 4: We think, well, why aren't they, you know, doing much
Speaker 4: here in town. Well, they go to these cities and
Speaker 4: they get themselves embedded there and they you know, they
Speaker 4: start foundations and charities and things like that, and businesses.
Speaker 4: There's no time for here and they're they're heroes for
Speaker 4: the Spurs or Buffalo Bills, like Glenn Parker, my buddy,
Speaker 4: you know, he's said, you know, I I'll give back
Speaker 4: into some but I was in Buffalo for like, you know,
Speaker 4: twelve fifteen years, right, they loved me there.
Speaker 3: And he was here for two. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now he's back for a while. But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you're right, right, yeah, no question. And and who are
Speaker 2: we or anybody to criticize what they do for any community?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I mean in a way, I'm just you know, kind
Speaker 4: of proud to know them and proud to see what
Speaker 4: you know, Hey, I remember when they were here kind
Speaker 4: of thing. And they all kind of came through the
Speaker 4: u A at some point when they were young, and
Speaker 4: they've gone on and had some great success, most of them.
Speaker 2: John Phoenix of the World, Yeah yeah, John Peena Parker,
Speaker 2: like you talked about some of those guys. Yeah, anybody
Speaker 2: want to call please? Do I think I think we're
Speaker 2: ready for a call or too? Right, Senor Kobe, Maybe
Speaker 2: you're not. You let me know if you get a call,
Speaker 2: you just give me. I'll give you a call and
Speaker 2: we'll we'll see we can get somebody on five to
Speaker 2: zero four one, six seventy four forty. You'll see a
Speaker 2: flash and just hit the A and they'll be on
Speaker 2: and then raise their RaSE, their thing, raise their your voice. Okay,
Speaker 2: five two oh four one six seventy four forty. We
Speaker 2: have about thirteen minutes, so we came back early from
Speaker 2: the break. Anything you guys want to talk about that'd
Speaker 2: be great. The UCLA game this weekend. UCLA's ranked twenty fourth,
Speaker 2: I think they are, yeah, and Arizona's unranked, which is
Speaker 2: you know, a little shocking that both teams aren't ranked.
Speaker 2: I think you and m is the only losses to
Speaker 2: New Mexico about a few weeks ago. UCLA's only lost
Speaker 2: and the goes okay, they're not thatch God.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Wildcats haven't played too many games in that arena
Speaker 4: too really, I mean they have, but yeah, think if anything.
Speaker 3: That memorable last year they played Alabama? Was that there? Yeah?
Speaker 3: That was there? Okay, Yeah, since I'm going up for
Speaker 3: that for for this weekend, what do you think ten
Speaker 3: thousand fans? Uh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because it's gonna look half full, well yeah,
Speaker 2: ten thousand.
Speaker 3: I mean the place holds like eighteen yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and guess what when you're not doing well. In
Speaker 2: Arizona's case four and four, the luster wears off a
Speaker 2: little until.
Speaker 3: This is not I mean, this is really there.
Speaker 4: The Phoenix area's chance to see these guys right right,
Speaker 4: other than the ASU game, I guess later, but still,
Speaker 4: you know, it's a pretty good opportunity to get on
Speaker 4: national TV and play your old rival and keep this thing,
Speaker 4: you know, alive still Or isn't the next game going
Speaker 4: to be in Vegas or something? When they play them
Speaker 4: they don't want to do the home No.
Speaker 2: No, I think because they don't want to have like
Speaker 2: an advantage, a big advantage.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is what it is.
Speaker 2: Well, it'd be more of an advantage for it well,
Speaker 2: and usually gets gets up for the Arizona games. That's
Speaker 2: the only time they really have a packed house.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I need to see the reason.
Speaker 4: You know, there's been all this talk about nil is
Speaker 4: the reason why these games are being played or won't
Speaker 4: be being played.
Speaker 3: Have you seen some of those stories?
Speaker 2: No? And maybe I'm doing more research being playing at
Speaker 2: their homes right because they wouldn't he canct more money
Speaker 2: somewhere else something like that, because they're getting paid to
Speaker 2: be there. Yeah, maybe, I mean, come on, that aren't
Speaker 2: you glad? This is a serious question that you're no
Speaker 2: longer in this business. Honestly, I mean, my business is easy.
Speaker 2: I can talk about how foolish it is, but but
Speaker 2: I'm not chasing kids making a lot of money and
Speaker 2: waiting for phone calls and all that crap like for recruiting.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I don't miss that, and I don't know
Speaker 4: how it would go now, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know how much.
Speaker 4: I mean, I honestly don't know how much access anybody
Speaker 4: gets anymore.
Speaker 3: They don't and they you know, they hear, oh you
Speaker 3: know so what so cyanautograss, let's go do a story.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: It's a good little human interest, right and they're only
Speaker 4: doing it because they're getting money.
Speaker 3: Right No, no, no, no, real rhyme reason right No.
Speaker 11: No.
Speaker 2: Back in the day when I first got here, it
Speaker 2: was like the guys doing camps and things like that,
Speaker 2: Well we're giving back to the community. Not really, you're
Speaker 2: just because they're gonna pay you to do this.
Speaker 4: You know what from TV World in the summertime in
Speaker 4: June or July, Well you need those doing a camp,
Speaker 4: we'll turn that into like a four part series.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, No, what's Luke doing in the
Speaker 3: summer with Richard Jefferson?
Speaker 2: And I'm guilty like that, just like you because I
Speaker 2: was there because there was a story, yep, especially to
Speaker 2: feel the hole to feel and okay, just answer it
Speaker 2: real quick.
Speaker 4: Those guys would filter in all summer long with their
Speaker 4: with their camps.
Speaker 2: Okay, are you on the we You have somebody calling
Speaker 2: in you on the air that who is this?
Speaker 3: Hey? Hello, who's this?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: This is Gary.
Speaker 6: I'n't called you in a bit now.
Speaker 7: I think I called you last around the u of
Speaker 7: A football season.
Speaker 6: But he's calling to I know you guys are the experts.
Speaker 6: Point to my first UOA basketball game in a while. Uh,
Speaker 6: who's the big not Grievous, the big European kid they
Speaker 6: got backing him up.
Speaker 7: You know I liked him.
Speaker 3: Granted that was a Saturday game, that was aye a
Speaker 3: woodshed game, but he's.
Speaker 2: All right, Henry Vsar. What do you like about him?
Speaker 2: What do you like about it? I wonder if you
Speaker 2: agree with what I like?
Speaker 6: Well, he seems to have even a little a better
Speaker 6: touch than Grievous. I mean, I just like I said,
Speaker 6: the one game he's hitting those free everything was smooth
Speaker 6: he was doing you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, you see what I see when he first
Speaker 2: came here two three years ago. Uh, A very fantastic shot.
Speaker 2: He's a stretch five uh seven footer who can shoot
Speaker 2: the three, and you've seen that he can. He was
Speaker 2: really on the thin side a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: I can handle the ball. He's become more aggressive, so
Speaker 2: everything you see, he's just much better than he was
Speaker 2: two three years ago. He's gonna get really really good
Speaker 2: in another year or so. Last year he had to
Speaker 2: sit out because he got hurt in a freak accident.
Speaker 2: But I like him like you do.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 6: We were looking up the record. Who think it was
Speaker 6: Southern Utah And I thought it said they were eight
Speaker 6: and too. I'm like, well, these guys played anybody good
Speaker 6: because nothing was over by must be five minutes into
Speaker 6: the game.
Speaker 3: Yeah we're done. Yeah, they haven't played anybody good. They haven't.
Speaker 2: They're a smaller school obviously, and you know that. But
Speaker 2: they're eight and two coming in and Arizonas has feasted
Speaker 2: on these guys these now, can they beat teams that
Speaker 2: are going to be in the tournament?
Speaker 6: Yes, It's it's funny though, Michaim with the older crowd
Speaker 6: because you know, I mean the music it's pretty, it's
Speaker 6: pretty youngsters. But they're playing some stuff. You know, I'm
Speaker 6: in my late fifties. I'm like, what guys name are
Speaker 6: they playing? My Dad's like, I mean, what is this stuff?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 6: Like electronica? I mean, I'm sure to students love it.
Speaker 3: But you're funny.
Speaker 6: Some old school stuff piped in here?
Speaker 3: Please?
Speaker 6: You know, actual music.
Speaker 2: You're funny because you're spot on because I feel the
Speaker 2: same way. You know, I'm older now, but even when
Speaker 2: I was younger. The crowd is the this is out
Speaker 2: to the students, the players, and the and the UA students.
Speaker 2: But I would say, sixty forty what would you think
Speaker 2: is sixty forty seventy thirty?
Speaker 3: Maybe old school? Old school? Yeah?
Speaker 4: And then this coming what the next few games at
Speaker 4: students are gone, so you know those that whole student
Speaker 4: section will be taken up by people like us.
Speaker 3: Jerry go by it.
Speaker 6: To you are sart like college man because more more,
Speaker 6: more merging band even football, because I can't with the
Speaker 6: truth be told, guys, I can't watch Sam Babel the
Speaker 6: playoffs because.
Speaker 3: You hear that pipe didn't go what is this man,
Speaker 3: You're right, it is. You're right about the music. The
Speaker 3: NBA is weird. The music.
Speaker 4: I mean it literally stops, like right when the ball,
Speaker 4: you know, is low bounded.
Speaker 2: You remember last year when Steve took some heat because
Speaker 2: I mean, come to Phoenix. God, it's like, al, just
Speaker 2: go in this the price. Yeah, and I think Steve's
Speaker 2: showing his age. Yeah, damn, just go turn off that music,
Speaker 2: get off my lawn.
Speaker 6: My wife's like, what do you like watching hockey? But
Speaker 6: if you notice hockey they actually play now, it's more
Speaker 6: heavy than actually play.
Speaker 3: Rock and roll.
Speaker 6: Maybe it's like I said, the crowd the players. NBA
Speaker 6: is more I did not even I'll take hip hop
Speaker 6: over the electronica, you know, Denmark nightclub stuff. Man, that's
Speaker 6: a little too much for me. I just call him
Speaker 6: to Ben. Gentlemen, I'll touch base with you when you
Speaker 6: of A starts out. Well, I got a good one.
Speaker 2: Saturday, Garry, you're working on my lawn anytime. I won't
Speaker 2: tell you to get off my lawn. Geary, Okay, doesn't
Speaker 2: the U of A have like a disco game playing
Speaker 2: in the in the end zone there?
Speaker 3: And well also in football team? He did?
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's there now, but he was.
Speaker 2: He wasn't the exhibition games and stuff. But he's right
Speaker 2: because if there's seventy thirty, which and that's maybe once
Speaker 2: you play like Sweet Caroline, I think it's a perfect
Speaker 2: song for that, you know, blah everybody gets into it
Speaker 2: stuff that kind of And now I'm really sure on
Speaker 2: my age, but but I get it. I get the
Speaker 2: warm up music and all that stuff when they're out
Speaker 2: there because it's the kids are The kids are the.
Speaker 3: Ones that probably take that pick the music too.
Speaker 4: The players, like you know with baseball players, they have
Speaker 4: their walk up music and time like I had no
Speaker 4: idea what the song some country song or.
Speaker 2: The team up some of that music. Yeah, because you know,
Speaker 2: they say some pretty raunchy stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you gotta be careful and I'm sure. Yeah, if
Speaker 4: they have something does come out that's not good. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you have able to hear about it.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah yeah, Hey, well what did you just say, Beldrid?
Speaker 3: What does that? What does that mean? I don't know. Uh,
Speaker 3: you go to the games, don't you? Yeah? I go
Speaker 3: to a few. I only went to the Duke game
Speaker 3: so far. Okay, Yeah, you're a front runner. Same with me,
Speaker 3: both front runners.
Speaker 2: You don't have to go to the punishment of the
Speaker 2: Southern YouTube's coming.
Speaker 4: Oh wait, when's that Samford game for what's okay?
Speaker 3: We got duke? What duke in Stamford? No? No, no, I'm sorry. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean you still.
Speaker 4: A cla Sanford, Central Michigan Christmas and then come back.
Speaker 2: To TCUBRA when Central Michigan December twenty first.
Speaker 3: Oh so okay, so we got about nick Saturday a
Speaker 3: week from Saturday.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so they can squeeze in guys because school's ending, right, like.
Speaker 3: Yes, this week I'm leaving. There'sday finals. Are we in
Speaker 3: finals week or no?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Technically ends the fifteenth for most people. Oh okay, okay, cool.
Speaker 3: There was always a good time on campus when we
Speaker 3: want to clear out. Yeah, around campus so you can
Speaker 3: drive through it.
Speaker 4: Exactly, go to a restaurant, going student union, don't have
Speaker 4: to stand on line for twenty minutes.
Speaker 2: Right, God, I haven't walked in that area for a
Speaker 2: long time. But it's totally different than when you were
Speaker 2: when you first got here. You got here in eighty
Speaker 2: three in what way? Oh just the buildings, Oh, just
Speaker 2: the buildings when they had what year was the Revenge
Speaker 2: of the Nerds.
Speaker 3: About that time.
Speaker 2: It was like eighty four, Yeah, eighty three, dy four,
Speaker 2: whatever it was, you had just got here. I got
Speaker 2: here in eighty seven, and that was kind of like
Speaker 2: the claim the fame on campus.
Speaker 4: We were It's a long story, but yeah, you're right,
Speaker 4: it was. I was around that time. We had some
Speaker 4: people at Kegun who actually were in the movie. There
Speaker 4: were a few movies in that stretch. There was Camp,
Speaker 4: Buy Me Love, Yeah, which a shot of Tucson.
Speaker 3: Eighty seven, eighty seven. I got here on that.
Speaker 4: And then Nerds, and there was a couple others. People
Speaker 4: can calling and chime in, well, Major Quick in the Dead.
Speaker 4: That was the Sharon Stone movie with Gene Hackman with Yeah,
Speaker 4: Lenny Lenny. Yeah, if you were Toro's fan, you remember
Speaker 4: Lenny and his cigar. He's got that one cameo. It's
Speaker 4: perfect with the gun, with the gun. Yeah, that was
Speaker 4: a great time. They It was a pre you know
Speaker 4: if you've been to high core. But it doesn't look
Speaker 4: like that anymore. The colors were all the old Tucson
Speaker 4: Toro's colors, so they switched things up when the Rockies
Speaker 4: kind of took over in ninety three and turned it
Speaker 4: into like cors Field with the same colors, but back
Speaker 4: in the day it was kind of that blue and
Speaker 4: yellow and kind of distinctive colors.
Speaker 2: Did you And I had Mike here last Simon and
Speaker 2: we were talking about covering the team.
Speaker 3: I hated going to cover the team, did you really?
Speaker 2: Some of the guys were jerks, and when you had
Speaker 2: to go early do interviews since to the game, which
Speaker 2: the game was torture, yeah, and then maybe going to
Speaker 2: Lakametro loss because they lost a lot to it was
Speaker 2: not fun to go to.
Speaker 4: Well, you had a different job too than than what
Speaker 4: we had. We we would do things a lot of
Speaker 4: times before the game. We would that's when we would
Speaker 4: get a chance to talk to them. We do live
Speaker 4: reports and we'd have a live guest or we'd interview
Speaker 4: them just before the game and go that route and
Speaker 4: didn't have to stick around, you know, for you know,
Speaker 4: three hours of baseball unless it was playoff time or
Speaker 4: you know, some other reason where we had to talk
Speaker 4: to them afterwards.
Speaker 3: Usually we weren't covering it that way, so it was
Speaker 3: different for us.
Speaker 2: So Sabrina worked for you, right, Was she one of
Speaker 2: the first female sports people.
Speaker 3: We thought so, but there might have been some people
Speaker 3: before her.
Speaker 4: But at the time, and again that was a during
Speaker 4: the Toros run when they won those two chances.
Speaker 3: Did Mike talk about that?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, But I just thinking about it now because
Speaker 2: I remember her doing some of the thinkers she was.
Speaker 4: I think she was live at the stadium the night
Speaker 4: they won. I don't know if it was the first
Speaker 4: or the second. I'd have to ask her or Mike
Speaker 4: Fader because they're the ones that were kind of documenting
Speaker 4: those years.
Speaker 3: But she was great.
Speaker 4: She was you know, she knew her sports, big big
Speaker 4: basketball player at Oregon. I didn't know what she loved.
Speaker 4: You know, she loved basketball, she loved covering. I mean again,
Speaker 4: she was right with me during the A day of
Speaker 4: I think she took over in ninety so we passed,
Speaker 4: you know, that first final four, but I think she
Speaker 4: was still she was still with me in ninety four.
Speaker 4: Maybe ninety seven is when she left.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So so I only asked because I remember her
Speaker 2: doing those games and I should have her on our
Speaker 2: streasure because she's married to a former ULA basketball player.
Speaker 3: So how was it was there? How was we gotta go?
Speaker 2: We got about a minute, right, what was the reaction
Speaker 2: a female sports txtes?
Speaker 4: She was a good sport I think people really, they
Speaker 4: were fine even in those years. It wasn't like, oh yeah,
Speaker 4: I shouldn't know she's talking about.
Speaker 3: It right right.
Speaker 4: We had she had to convince our bosses that she
Speaker 4: wanted to do it.
Speaker 3: I remember.
Speaker 4: So we had Brad Steinkey before him, yeah, before her,
Speaker 4: you know, and he left kind of kind of left
Speaker 4: his you know, with a decision to make, and she
Speaker 4: stepped forward. She you know, she kind of she was
Speaker 4: there already. She was already there. She and I started.
Speaker 4: She was there before me.
Speaker 3: Oh really. Yeah.
Speaker 4: In fact, when I did my she was doing news
Speaker 4: and then she did health news. Maybe that was after
Speaker 4: she did sports. But anyway, she had a good run
Speaker 4: before I would say, maybe six or seven years on
Speaker 4: k GUN before she stepped into the sports role.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we gotta go, we gotta go.
Speaker 2: We'll come back, get some breaking news and talk more
Speaker 2: about all this stuff.
Speaker 3: Okay,