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<v Speaker 1>Joining me now is the guy who has been doing this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's wild.

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<v Speaker 1>What's happening in the twenty third congressional district or not

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<v Speaker 1>a judicial district?

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<v Speaker 2>Wild.

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<v Speaker 1>They have laws and they're on the books, and then

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<v Speaker 1>people come and they break the laws, and then we

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<v Speaker 1>arrest them. And I say we because I live in

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty third judicial district, and then this insane thing happens.

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<v Speaker 1>The district attorney actually prosecutes people and if they commit

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<v Speaker 1>a bad enough crime, he puts them in jail. It's

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<v Speaker 1>crazy if you live in Denver, but I don't. I

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<v Speaker 1>live in the twenty third Congressional district, where my next guest,

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<v Speaker 1>George Brockler, is the guy doing those things. George, is

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<v Speaker 1>it cool to work in a place where other people

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<v Speaker 1>around you want you to actually enforce the law?

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<v Speaker 3>The support is ridiculous, and I I have to believe

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<v Speaker 3>that some of the other prosecutors in the metro area

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<v Speaker 3>feel like I do about crime what they want to do,

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<v Speaker 3>but they are tamped down by the politics.

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<v Speaker 4>Of the area.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, if you look at a Rapahoe, jeff Co,

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<v Speaker 3>Denver Adams, they're all blue, blue, blue counties and they

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<v Speaker 3>have to navigate things like arm reduction, and what about

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<v Speaker 3>what do we do with the illegal immigrants? And should

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<v Speaker 3>we put them in a position that they can be

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<v Speaker 3>deported and what if they're convicted? And who else can

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<v Speaker 3>we blame for society's ills? That just isn't us down here.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very straightforward. It's something.

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<v Speaker 4>I live here.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been in this county for almost thirty years. I

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<v Speaker 3>still have two kids under my roof in public school here,

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<v Speaker 3>so this place matters to me. And we just happen

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<v Speaker 3>to be in a place where everybody is like right.

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<v Speaker 3>We think we're freer if we're safer, and we think

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<v Speaker 3>that olden people accountable for violations and the laws the

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<v Speaker 3>way to do it.

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<v Speaker 4>And I happen to be in agreement with that.

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<v Speaker 2>I do too.

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<v Speaker 1>I got to tell you I got super mad. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to just share this with you. I am in

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<v Speaker 1>a large sort of you know, one of those sort

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<v Speaker 1>of target Walmart variety type stores.

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<v Speaker 2>It was neither of those. It was a different store, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Two of the clerks behind the car counter were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about they had watched someone shoplift a lot of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>and there was nothing they could do.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, did you call the police? This is in

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<v Speaker 2>Douglas County.

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<v Speaker 1>She goes, no, we're told by corporate not I said,

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<v Speaker 1>and let them know in Douglas County they will show up.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the difference, right, I mean, because even just

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<v Speaker 1>enforcing those little things, I will never forget the video,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think it was Parker PD that was put

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<v Speaker 1>out of a guy getting arrested for something and as

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<v Speaker 1>he's getting arrested, he's on body camp footage of saying, God,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't even they don't even put the cuffs on

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<v Speaker 1>in Denver, like God, this sucks. This only happens in

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<v Speaker 1>Douglas County. And I was like, right on, dudes, spread

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<v Speaker 1>spread the word to your friends, because ultimately, let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about some statistics you guys just talked about earlier this month.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the statistics that jumped out at me sort

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<v Speaker 1>of but not really, because I think everyone in Douglas

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<v Speaker 1>County is nice. Our criminals are not from here, As

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<v Speaker 1>they say, where are they coming from?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's a great question. The bulk of the out

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<v Speaker 3>of town criminals, and I would say that about fifty

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<v Speaker 3>percent or more of the crime committed down here, of

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<v Speaker 3>all kinds in Douglas County. It's committed by people who

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<v Speaker 3>don't call our place home. And the biggest contributor to

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<v Speaker 3>that number is Denver. They represent twenty five percent of

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<v Speaker 3>that number. Auroras in second at about nineteen percent. And

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<v Speaker 3>then you see some of the other cities in Arapahoe County,

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<v Speaker 3>the Littleton's, the Inglewoods contributing other lesser numbers. But it's

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<v Speaker 3>a significant amount of crime that happens down here. And

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<v Speaker 3>if you look at the property crime in particular, because

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<v Speaker 3>there are some crimes that are more homegrown, domestic violence,

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<v Speaker 3>crimes against children, homicides tend to be things that come

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<v Speaker 3>out of a community, and our numbers are very good

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<v Speaker 3>on that the property crimes. People come here to be

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<v Speaker 3>tourists for sure, and one of the ways we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to tackle that is I came out and pledged early on.

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<v Speaker 3>We are going to arrest every single thief. You may

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<v Speaker 3>spend only one night in jail. That's up to a judge,

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<v Speaker 3>not to us, because we're going to lock you up

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<v Speaker 3>and remind you that if you're bound to commit a crime,

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<v Speaker 3>and I.

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<v Speaker 4>Hope you don't, right, you should go do it somewhere else.

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<v Speaker 1>And that I absolutely love. There was a little town

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<v Speaker 1>in Georgia when I was a kid that had a

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<v Speaker 1>similar situation where they were on an interstate, so people

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<v Speaker 1>woul kind of stop by, steal stuff, rob things, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>And they passed a little ordnance in their town that

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<v Speaker 1>required everyone to learn how to carry a firearm. And

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it was a small town, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>put up big old billboards that said it is a

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<v Speaker 1>law in this town that everyone is armed, just to

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<v Speaker 1>let you know where you're going. Amazingly, crime stopped in

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<v Speaker 1>the little town on the interstate.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just went away.

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<v Speaker 1>There was like nothing else happened. And that's where I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to have you on the show. And for two reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to talk to something you said at the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of this interview, and that is that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>district attorneys in other counties don't have the sort of

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<v Speaker 1>support you have down there because you've got a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of sheriffs and and police chiefs and law enforcement officers

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<v Speaker 1>that are that are that have your back and are

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<v Speaker 1>excited that you have their back as well. I have

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<v Speaker 1>to say, I'm sure you saw the guy in Washington.

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<v Speaker 3>D c.

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<v Speaker 1>Who hit a Border patrol agent with his subway sandwich

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<v Speaker 1>after an extended fit of screaming in the face of

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<v Speaker 1>this guy that he was a fascist in all of

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff, and then come to find out this dude

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<v Speaker 1>is a trial attorney for the Department of Justice. If

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<v Speaker 1>that is not sort of a little window into what

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Know what is.

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<v Speaker 1>So how do we get people in these offices, not

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<v Speaker 1>even like an elected office like you're in. How do

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<v Speaker 1>you get employees in these offices who are committed to

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<v Speaker 1>upholding the law?

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<v Speaker 2>How does that? How do you change that culture?

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<v Speaker 4>That's a great question one.

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<v Speaker 3>And I can't take one hundred percent credit for this,

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<v Speaker 3>because the community sells itself. As you know, you're down here,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think that people listening in Colorado and beyond

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<v Speaker 3>au to know the heads of our federal agencies out here, FBI, DEA,

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<v Speaker 3>ATF those guys in gals and their number two's almost

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<v Speaker 3>you universally choose Douglas County to live here. So we

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<v Speaker 3>already have a reputation of being very pro law enforcement

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<v Speaker 3>and safe. And so you have that, and then you

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<v Speaker 3>come in with a guy who's willing to come forward

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<v Speaker 3>not only answer hard questions, but tackle the mythology about

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<v Speaker 3>punishment and crime, and pretty soon you start attracting people

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<v Speaker 3>to apply to your office who are like, I want

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<v Speaker 3>to be a crime fighter.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to be a justice seeker.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to be in the business of just

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<v Speaker 3>being a social worker with a law degree, like I

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<v Speaker 3>want to actually do stuff, and you start to develop

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<v Speaker 3>that it doesn't mean you can't make mistakes. But when

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<v Speaker 3>I saw that story, I was like, give me a break.

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<v Speaker 3>And for anyone out there thinking what would we do here,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know the class charge, but there's no question

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<v Speaker 3>I would support a prosecution of that guy, no question.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it was so outrageous but also incredibly sad.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that guy needs help.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't need he needs help, and he also needs

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<v Speaker 1>to face the consequences for his actions. Let me ask

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<v Speaker 1>you specifically, where have we seen where are our crime

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<v Speaker 1>rates in Douglas County growing up going down? Where have

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<v Speaker 1>we seen the biggest increases, the biggest decreases.

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<v Speaker 3>Well overall, we're seeing a decrease. And I'll give you

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<v Speaker 3>a couple examples that you know. Look, I'm not a

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<v Speaker 3>social scientist, but I noted that I can tell you

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<v Speaker 3>that in the seven ish eight months here that we're

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<v Speaker 3>approaching that. We've been doing this sort of approach to

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<v Speaker 3>law enforcement, which is come down here and victimize us

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<v Speaker 3>and plan on staying that.

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<v Speaker 4>We've seen some good numbers. I'll give you an example

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<v Speaker 4>motor vehicle theft.

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<v Speaker 3>Last year, before I took over, the arrest rate, the

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<v Speaker 3>incarceration rate for motor vehicle theft was about two thirds,

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<v Speaker 3>and we still saw a slight decrease about nine percent.

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<v Speaker 3>This year, it's ae hundred percent incarceration rate, and we've

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<v Speaker 3>already seen were on pace for a reduction I think

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<v Speaker 3>of another twenty five percent, so we're seeing crime drop.

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<v Speaker 3>I reached out to Loan Tree, Parker, Castle Rock if

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<v Speaker 3>there's any blips up.

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<v Speaker 4>There are blips that I don't attribute as much to.

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<v Speaker 3>An increase in crime as an increased pursuit of crime.

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<v Speaker 3>You brought up the fact that you were in a

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<v Speaker 3>store we held, and when I say we, I mean

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<v Speaker 3>the sheriff, all three chiefs of police and me got

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<v Speaker 3>together like the fifteen to twenty biggest retailers in Douglas

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<v Speaker 3>County and sat down and had the conversation you talked about,

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<v Speaker 3>which was, Hey, whatever you were doing in the past,

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<v Speaker 3>leave it in the past, you call us cops are

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<v Speaker 3>going to come out, and the cops are going to

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<v Speaker 3>come out, and when they make an arrest, you're going

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<v Speaker 3>to get a guy that's going to have his team

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<v Speaker 3>prosecute them. And we've already started to see more interaction

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<v Speaker 3>between some of those like the outlet stores that had

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<v Speaker 3>been doing nothing and just treating it like it's a

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<v Speaker 3>cost of business. We've seen more communication from them with

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<v Speaker 3>Castle Rock PD and so in Loan Tree with Park

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<v Speaker 3>Meadows than we'd had previously, maybe ever. And so this

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<v Speaker 3>is actually working and this is why we're seeing our

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<v Speaker 3>numbers coming down well.

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<v Speaker 1>And I want to talk about another experience that I

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<v Speaker 1>did have at Walmart. This actually did happen at Walmart.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm coming out of Walmart and there are like five

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<v Speaker 1>cop cars. They're surrounded this other car where they were

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<v Speaker 1>loading a bunch they were in the process. Two women

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<v Speaker 1>are in the process of loading a bunch of laundry detergent, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're stealing the laundry detergent. So the cops are

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<v Speaker 1>there and everything, and I was like, I walked bo

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, yeah, I gave them the old you know,

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<v Speaker 1>big fist up or whatever. And the cops kind of

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<v Speaker 1>looked and laughed, you know, over at me. But it

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<v Speaker 1>was so nice because all of those costs get passed

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<v Speaker 1>on to all consumers.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, we're all paying for that theft.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that because and I was actually told

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<v Speaker 1>by a different police officer, they believe that those kind

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<v Speaker 1>of shoplifting situations, those women are part of a much

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<v Speaker 1>bigger ring of shoplifters. Right, They're not just coming in

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<v Speaker 1>on their own. So what impact does that have on

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<v Speaker 1>keeping those rings out of Douglas County? I mean, they

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<v Speaker 1>don't I want there people to get arrested.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think the message carries more more weight than

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<v Speaker 3>we can really quantify. And I say that criminals don't

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<v Speaker 3>know the exact law, but they know how the law

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<v Speaker 3>works and where it works. And so you know, the message,

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<v Speaker 3>in part from the very beginning, has been we are

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<v Speaker 3>going whether you're a shoplifter of one item or part

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<v Speaker 3>of a bigger ring, we're here to hold you accountable.

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<v Speaker 3>We just got and you talked about all the partners

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<v Speaker 3>that support us. I don't want to leave out the

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<v Speaker 3>county commissioners. These are the guys that have the purse

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<v Speaker 3>strings that allow us to do things like and this

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<v Speaker 3>is what we've done. We now have a standalone senior

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<v Speaker 2>How wonderful.

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<v Speaker 4>And so we're going.

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<v Speaker 3>To start pursuing these rings, working our way up the chain,

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<v Speaker 3>much like you would with a drug trafficking organization, and

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<v Speaker 4>For things called COCA.

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<v Speaker 3>It's if people are listening, it's like our state's version

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<v Speaker 3>of RICO, like an organized crime statute. And we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to start tuning these people up. And I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>pace and level for the next four to eight years

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<v Speaker 3>that I'm here, because after the first couple and the

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<v Speaker 3>word gets spread out there, people are gonna say, I

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<v Speaker 3>think I'll just stay in Denver, And that's fine with me.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like my mom was a longtime teacher and or

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<v Speaker 1>the piece of advice she always gave to new teachers

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<v Speaker 1>is the mean on the first day. You can always

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<v Speaker 1>get nicer, but you can't get tougher, So you're just

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<v Speaker 1>being mean on the first day. Teacher George Brockler, not

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<v Speaker 1>really teacher, District Attorney of the twenty third Judicial District

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<v Speaker 1>George Brocklers, who's joining me.

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<v Speaker 2>I just got a question, and I don't know I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Will you ask George about that stupid TikTok trend where

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<v Speaker 1>kids are putting their foot into your front door?

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<v Speaker 2>What can you do as the homeowner? Do you know

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<v Speaker 2>what they're talking about?

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<v Speaker 1>Basically, like these kids are knocking and then when people open,

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<v Speaker 1>close it. Now, if that's me, I'm gonna break somebody's

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<v Speaker 1>leg off closing that door on. This just never ceases

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<v Speaker 2>Have you seen this at all?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 3>But my gut tells me once again for reasons we

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<v Speaker 3>talked about previously off air, and that is we are

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's a mistake and I think it's a risk.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not telling you that sticking your foot in the

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<v Speaker 3>you that's a reality down here that could happen.

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<v Speaker 4>Why would you ever take that risk?

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<v Speaker 3>That act in and of itself is a trespass, right,

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<v Speaker 3>It's a non consensual entrance into that house, even if

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<v Speaker 3>it's just the foot. Now, we've done a lot to

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<v Speaker 3>water down our juvenile justice laws in a way that

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think makes us safer. But it's not like

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<v Speaker 3>they're nonexistent. It's not like we're just gonna hug it out.

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<v Speaker 3>You can be arrested, you can be brought in, and

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<v Speaker 3>then mom and dad are going to start throwing out

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<v Speaker 3>to keep you from ruining your life over a stupid joke.

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<v Speaker 1>D George Bruckler, you've got your next campaign slogan, George Brockler,

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<v Speaker 1>We're not going to hug it out.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that'll be it. The last question.

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<v Speaker 1>I have for you, and it really has to do

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<v Speaker 1>with crime overall. And I kind of mentioned this earlier

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<v Speaker 1>in the show, the conversations about what's happening in Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>DC right now. To me, it is the most distressing

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<v Speaker 1>part of the entire conversation is that you have Washington, DC,

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<v Speaker 1>which last year was the most violent city in the country. Murders, carjackings,

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<v Speaker 1>violent crime, crimes against persons, crimes against property, most violent

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<v Speaker 1>this is, hey, crime is down thirty percent.

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<v Speaker 2>What are you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>What are you worried about? Crime is down thirty percent?

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<v Speaker 1>So that means the seventy percent of crime that it's

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<v Speaker 2>Is okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's almost like we boiled the frog to make

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<v Speaker 1>that crime is still going to exist as long as

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<v Speaker 1>it's down thirty percent up to this point. What's your

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<v Speaker 1>take on that? I mean, should people expect to feel

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<v Speaker 4>Oh? One hundred percent?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, listen, government does way too much right now

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<v Speaker 3>at every level, but one of its core functions is

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<v Speaker 3>to protect the citizenry, right like public state, and for

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<v Speaker 3>the federal government at the national level to protect the country.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the core competency.

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<v Speaker 3>And when you're failing at that at the local level,

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<v Speaker 3>especially if you're a federal enclave like DC is, you

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<v Speaker 3>should expect someone to show up and do something. I

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<v Speaker 3>am taken as you are with the argument that, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>someone who has cancer throughout their body is told, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean, you're looking for cancer free everywhere, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>this argument is nonsense. And now what we're starting to

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<v Speaker 3>hear is maybe they're cooking the books, right Like you're

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<v Speaker 3>starting to see these stories about maybe when they were

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<v Speaker 3>as violent crime or something else, they were classified as

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, aggressive jaywalking. I don't know what they

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think this could be replicated anywhere else because

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think the federal government has the ability to

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<v Speaker 4>But in DC.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, when the violent crime capital of your country is

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<v Speaker 4>Not a good look, correct, something that you got to tackle. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually think that a lot of people, I think

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<v Speaker 1>notion that nothing can be done right, that this is

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<v Speaker 1>just the price of living in a big city. Whenever

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<v Speaker 1>anything goes south, and I'm going to use Denver as

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<v Speaker 1>a perfect example of this.

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<v Speaker 2>When I moved here.

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<v Speaker 1>I've only been here since twenty thirteen, but I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I've seen the entire arc.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>I used to tell people how clean Denver was, how

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<v Speaker 1>since then, in twelve years, I've kind of watched it

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<v Speaker 1>fall apart. And yet Mayor Michael Hancock said it, Mayor

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Johnston says it, Well, these are the same problems

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<v Speaker 2>Of this piece of the puzzle.

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<v Speaker 1>But I, for one, am happier down on the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>third and doing what you're doing, and keep up the

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<v Speaker 1>good work, and let everybody in your office know. I

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<v Speaker 3>Oh they'll like to hear that thanks for having us

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<v Speaker 3>on to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 4>And we're going to continue.

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<v Speaker 3>To have cases that are going to be worth letting

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<v Speaker 3>folks know about so that they know not to come

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<v Speaker 4>So if you're willing to talk about them, so are.

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<v Speaker 2>We all right, George. That's George Brockler. We'll talk to

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<v Speaker 2>you again. Sue, my friend, see it all right, That

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<v Speaker 2>is George Brockler.