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Speaker 1: Made a decision.

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Speaker 2: Pace sunny sun on Ihturdasion night.

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Speaker 3: What's up everybody? Welcome to for Crying out Loud Friday

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edition with we have a special guest on our zoom

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not in studio because he lives way too far away

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Valley of the Dirt people on Riverside, our very own

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doctor Bruce. Hey, see there a spruce.

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Speaker 4: I'm in Redlands, not Riverside. How dare you?

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Speaker 3: Oh sorry, I'm just kidding.

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Speaker 5: Wow, Redlands. Yeah, it's pretty far. That is far.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's used to be a pit stop for

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people driving from Hollywood to Palm Springs.

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Speaker 6: Well, are you working still at a hospital full time?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I can't. I don't think I should say because

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but yeah, it's a major hospital chain covering most of California,

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So you can figure that one out.

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Speaker 5: So you're still er doc?

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Speaker 4: Nope, I quit do it.

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Speaker 1: I'm in such demand and addiction medicine and pain medicine

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that I gave up my hero status just before COVID struck.

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So huh, I only used my hero status when it

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was it was Nausians.

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Speaker 4: I shouldn't make any jokes like that.

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Speaker 1: So seriously, I'm doing addiction medicine like halftime, and I

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work in the pain department with the pain specialists part

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time at halftime. So I'm sure we can discuss discuss that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so would be just a little background. I've known

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Bruce for over twenty years at least, right, Well, you

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were at my wedding.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I got to know you with twenty

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five years ago.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, And Bruce would fill in on the love

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Line radio show from time to time for doctor Drew.

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Speaker 1: And for thirty years, thirty painful years.

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Speaker 5: On k Rock. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And uh, and so Bruce became a very good family

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friend of ours.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And he was I was really close to him when

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my kids were little growing up because, uh, anytime they

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had a rash or an illness, it was. We were

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lucky enough that we had a friend that was a

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doctor that we would call. And Bruce was always there

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for me and the kids when we were sick.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, my joke was when the let's see what

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did not what I used to say when the kids

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when they.

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Speaker 3: When when the corollas are on the red carpet.

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Speaker 4: Called doctor Drew.

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Speaker 3: And when the corollas when.

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Speaker 4: The kids are vomiting, called doctor Bruce.

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Speaker 5: Bruce. You screwed that up.

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Speaker 3: When the when the Corollas are on the red carpet,

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you called doctor Drew, and when the Corollas are puking

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on the carpet, we called doctor Bruce. That was you.

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That was your joke.

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Speaker 1: By the way, tears, Well, that's why I'm not a comedian.

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That's exactly why I'm not a comedian. But anyway, it

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was sort of true.

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Speaker 3: Yes, no, but yes, So anyway, Bruce is a really

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good doctor, and uh, we've been he's been a good friend.

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But I haven't talked to you or see I haven't.

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We haven't seen each other or talk to each other

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in a long time.

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Speaker 1: A few years since before COVID.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think around COVID was the last time we spoke,

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just because you got busy and where I got busy.

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But then we uh text each other recently, and then

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I got caught up with you yesterday for a little

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bit and I forgot what such a sweetheart you are

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and I wanted to have you come on the show

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and and you're so brilliant and so smart and uh,

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it's always nice to talk to a doctor.

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Speaker 6: I want to hear about this, like what, Yeah, what's

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happening in addiction medicine, Like, what does that mean exactly?

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, addiction medicine these days, a lot of

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medicated medication assitts a treatment for physicians. I mean you

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have the of course we're very twelve step base or

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you know, somebody wants to do secular sobriety, but you know,

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trying to get patients first of all to stop their

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use and then get into a structured program and then

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the physician rule. You know, it depends. I'm not a psychiatry,

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So there's addiction psychiatry. There are different sort of approaches

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to it, but you know, there's a lot of focus.

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I like to look at it like there's more of

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a science approach to what's going on in the brain

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when somebody you know, regularly uses a substance. So you know,

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for craving, there's for alcohol, there's like now trek zone,

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a camp or se topamax, and some people use some

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other medications. But the point is what's going on in

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the brain. I mean, when I started doing this, when

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the earth was cool, as my friend says, years ago,

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we didn't know how alcohol got somebody drunk?

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Speaker 4: Right, what's it doing? In the brain.

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Speaker 1: How do they get a dissolving violin sheets or is

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it you know, what is it doing? And now we

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you know, we have a much better idea how alcohol intoxicates,

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how the brain changes, you know, this whole idea of

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brain plasticity. So again, years ago we said, well the

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brain once you're eighteen or twenty, all the wirings laid

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down and nothing changes. And now we know your brain

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has a lot of changes it makes in response to

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the environment. And you know, it turns out people that

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are alcoholic, for instance, when they get alcohol like they

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did some study that just.

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Speaker 4: The rough description of it.

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Speaker 1: They got a bunch of guys that were twenty ish

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whose fathers were first degree relative alcoholic or dad's alcoholic,

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and a control group got them all drunk, stuck them

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in a functional MRI and looked at activity in the brain.

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the you know, the limbic system, the reward area lit

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up like a Christmas tree in the in the guys

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whose fathers were alcoholic, not so much in the other.

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So for you know, why do people lose control and

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other people don't, And you know, it's I'm just being

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it's sort of a very rough description of what's going on.

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But you know, when you talk to somebody that's alcoholic,

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all of these patents I talk to, they go, man,

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the first time I got drunk, it was like I

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was normal for the first time, and it was just

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this and that. So they get this huge rush of endorphins,

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and uh, you know, it's it's very interesting that we

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understand that, we understand the brain. The brain gets used

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to that, and it's like there's a difference. Now it

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doesn't take away responsibility, but there's a big difference in

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how the brain and how somebody feels on alcohol. And

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and it goes to what do you do for craving

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for alcohol? If somebody has daily craving, ongoing craving now

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treks on. So patients go, what's that, Well, it's an

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opiate blocker. Well I'm not an opiate addict. Where are

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you giving me an al trex one? Because people that

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are alcoholic get this boost of endorphins, and when you

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take the alcohol away, their brain craves. You know, essentially

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those receptors are not filled.

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Speaker 5: So anyway, so can I ask a question?

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Speaker 1: You better ask a question because I'll just keep talking

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and getting This.

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Speaker 6: Is absolutely fascinating to me for obvious reasons. You know,

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I've been sober fifteen years, going on sixteen in May,

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but sugar. Sugar is a fucking asshole that I have

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similar cravings for sugar.

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Speaker 5: That I used to do for alcohol.

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Speaker 6: And does it Are there medications that can block your

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sugar craving?

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, probably not life and death, right.

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Speaker 1: But you know there's that combination of now tracks on

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a well view trend for you know, some of the

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eating things, you know, some of the hunger things, but

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not specifically, I mean, but it's it's the same idea.

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It's set and then you get into process addiction, sexual

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addictions and porn and stuff like that, right, right, But

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the idea is what certain behaviors are, certain substances have

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much more of a propensity to increase these neurotransmits theoretically.

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And again I'm sure you know reason I only like

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the internet or podcasting, you're gonna get pated patrols. Oh

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the guy's nuts. And so I always have that in

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the back of my mind. What is what I'm saying

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one hundred percent? Well, we don't do brain scan we

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don't do these kind of brain scans on people. We don't,

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you know, put Like I was talking to Linnette last night,

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a lot of this stuff fascinates me. It's like bupen

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arp and your suboxone for opiate use disorder chronic pain.

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again it changes the way the nervous system functions. And

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providing a medication that takes away that, you know, that imbalance,

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and again the way we do it our program, and

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Speaker 4: Just a pill.

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Speaker 1: There has to be there is a spiritual component. There

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is you know, the wreckage of your past with addiction

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and having you know, requiring again the study show you

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don't have to require it, but we you know, I

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tell patients, I say, you know, if you just take

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this pill, you're not going to really have addressed what's

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going on in your life because of the damage done

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by the substance. And so we're very pro whether it's

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you know, the refuge recovery or secular sobriety, whatever, it

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is some sort of structure to it to address the

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damage that's occurred from substance. So there's two things. It's

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looking at what's going on in the brain. I think

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we're a lot more neurobiologically based in treating addictions but

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also addressing you know, and you guys can.

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Speaker 3: B Yeah, I have a question. I'm hearing a lot

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about like o zempic and stuff like that as being

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as helpful for well, it's obviously helpful to curb the

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appetite or whatever, but it's also they're saying that it

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can help with other addictions. Is that correct?

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Speaker 1: Well, that's there's evidence because what they found is that

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people getting it for the initial I think indication was

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for you know, diabetics, if you don't have a diabetes diagnosis.

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it's great, it's great to help you, you know, you're

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being overweight, but unless you have a diabetes diagnosis, we're

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not gonna we're not gonna pay for it. But what

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you know what, I'm since I started the ezempic, I

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don't I don't crave this or that. So there's there's

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just the g lp the medications. There's just a tremendous

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amount of cognitive dissonance around what they do and how.

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Speaker 3: KLP is the like will go and all that.

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Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, so are you pro or con.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm pro, but I'm saying it's just how long

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do you have to take it and making substantial changes

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and behavior. It's the same thing. It's like if somebody's

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alcoholic and they're taking out tracks on, if somebody's got

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an open use the sort of they're taking to box on.

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it's like the problem with kids with their with their

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cell phones, it's that it's that quick fix. It's that

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instant gratification or instant reward without putting in the time

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and work and that that doesn't work.

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Speaker 4: So the problem with the zepic.

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Speaker 1: If it's going to take away some craving, how long

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do you take it? Do you take it forever? You know,

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it's like ketamine infusions for depression, right, well, how long

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do you have to do that? And if you stop,

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do you go back to the to the state of depression.

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come out and they're effective at that point in time,

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but you know, are you is something else changing either

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in the brain or in your life that supports it

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Speaker 6: Have found with twelve Step that which I am a

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part of for many for the whole time, the whole

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time I've been sober, I one hundred percent agree with

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you to to me, A big component of it is

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that there's a lot of shame involved in addiction, and

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we still our society looks at it like, oh, you're

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just you know, you just don't have any discipline, like

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you don't have any control over yourself. And when people

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get addicted to things like vict it, you know, pain

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pills and stuff, I guess we understand it more because

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we understand that's addictive. So when there comes to other

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would say, you know, a lot of people don't understand

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that it is addictive. And when you're drinking and when

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especially when you start really young, right, and then you

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know that, oh if I go to alcohol, that.

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Speaker 5: Makes me feel better.

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that there's so much shame that when you quit a

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lot of people don't want to go to like aar

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twelve step program because they feel embarrassed or what if

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I see somebody I know there and they're missing out

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the fact that it's exactly the point is you're surrounded

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by other people who get exactly what you're going through.

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got it's gotten so bad, right, you have to be

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completely desperate to because it seems like, you know, as

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they say, the last house on the block, like I

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will do anything before I will admit, oh my god,

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I have no control over my alcohol, and I wish

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that I wish that we were going in a direction.

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Speaker 5: And I hope we are.

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Speaker 6: That It just became a more like if you feel

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like you're drinking too much, there is help, Like it's

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okay to say like, wow, I'm really like possibly misusing.

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Speaker 3: And not so much shame around it.

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Speaker 6: And could go earlier right in your disease in the

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progression to be around other people and know that there's

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a there are a lot of like high bottom alcoholics

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in twelve step programs. There's a lot of really normal people.

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Speaker 1: No, absolutely, and you know it's almost like, oh.

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Speaker 1: You know, you go to a meeting and it's like, well,

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yeah that I mean, I'm not I'm sort of a

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non recovery codependent, as Lynette knows. But I'll go to

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you know, after all these years, I'll go to open

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meetings and listen to speakers, and sometimes at the end

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of the speaker meeting, somebody go, oh, yeah, they had

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a high bottom compared to mine, and it's almost like

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you know, there it's it's a merit badge. The lower

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your bottom is. I think today it's better than it was.

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I think you just like discussions we're having. There's more

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awareness that it is a shame based disease and and

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to to acknowledge that, you know, sunlight's the best disinfectant.

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what's happened. Everything, it's like that turnaround and it's the

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pink cloud, right. Sometimes the first the first time somebody

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gets sober and it's like ah, every everything's there's this

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huge relief. Well, there's a lot of work to do,

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but you know, I think it's it's definitely what you're

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saying is true. It's like getting that being able to

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just acknowledge and not be ashamed.

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Speaker 4: I think gives you just a huge, you.

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Speaker 1: Know a huge advantage in getting sober and maintaining sobriety.

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And that's you know, that's ideally what AA twelve step

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programs do. I think it's.

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Speaker 6: It's really ridiculous that in this day and age, you

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can't say like, oh I got addicted to vicoin without

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people like holding that over your head for you know,

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the next twenty years and going like, oh, well that

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person was addicted to the pill popper. Oh they weren't,

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you know, or like I still hear comments about like, oh,

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she's just an alcoholic. What kind of horrible mom is

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like an alcoholic? Well, when we have these ridiculous notions

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of people not being able to not parenting, not doing

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there are so many functional alcoholics or drugs that are

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doing everything they need to do but feeling pain because

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they can't admit because it feels like, oh, then.

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Speaker 5: There's no going back.

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Speaker 6: If I say like, oh, this is a problem I have,

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then then I'm never gonna No one's ever gonna let

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it go. You know, we need to get out of

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that way thinking so that people find it.

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Speaker 5: Easier to ask for help.

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Speaker 3: Well also too, when you share your own personal stories

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like we've had, you know, in our past, Like then

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you know people you think like when you by doing that,

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you're helping other people that are going through the same thing.

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That's that's the reason why you want to share your stories.

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But then you also get the other Yeah that nega,

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you're helping some people, but then you're also bringing you know,

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that that that that the people like you know, uh,

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like we were saying, you're.

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Speaker 6: Inviting invite people to touch you and hold it over you,

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and then it makes it harder for other people to

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go like I think I have a problem problem, you know,

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because they don't want to be in the fire, right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, what do you say to people like that? Doctor Bruce.

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Speaker 1: Hold on a sa I'm just I'm sorry, I've cleared

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my schedule for a bit, but I've got to be

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logged in here.

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Speaker 6: This is doctor Bruce's way of like wrestling. Where was

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that paper rephrase question? Okay, yeah, let's take it and

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take a quick break ahead.

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Speaker 3: Answer your email. We know you're a doctor.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna met you, Bruce, so we'll be back in

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like two minutes and you can do your thing.

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the cats are not going outside. They're all staying inside.

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a storm and it's sticking in the house. Yeah, whis

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that's nasty. Don't let that ruin your winter. Switch to

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Speaker 5: Okay, I will rephrase the question for you.

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Speaker 6: How are you being in this business of addiction medicine?

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How are you helping tell people like not to be ashamed?

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Speaker 5: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 6: Are you helping break down the stigma?

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Speaker 1: Well, it's on an individual level, you know. I love

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talking to new new patients and again they have been

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referred by their primary care physician or pain medicine. There's

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a variety of things, but I start out with them

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and yeah, frequently there's something horrendous that's happened. You know,

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it's like, uh, work related, van relationship related. But you know,

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my what I tell the patient and I you know,

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and I say, let's let's just look at how you

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how you got to this place, because there is a

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lot of shame. It's like it's it's because you're you

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have a biology that predisposed me to this, and really

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explaining that in detail, because I think that gets somebody

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a foothold. So for me, that's that's the first place.

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mean horrendous things that may have got duy, somebody got hurt,

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or their wife, husband, partner's going to leave them, you

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know what I'm saying. So then I start out and

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again I'm not a therapist or a psychiatrist, but starting

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out with you know, because it's like I say to him,

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you know, if somebody told you you have lung cancer,

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you want to know what type, what the treatments are

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that work, you know, And in addictions, it's also important

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to understand, you know, how you got to where you are.

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and the shame way and then I then you end

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up by saying, but it doesn't take away the responsibility

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now to do the right thing and start asking what's

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the best way for me?

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Speaker 4: To change my change.

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Speaker 1: My life, stay sober, stay off the substance, you know.

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So that's that's one thing. The other thing, get a

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lot of referrals people that are you know, they want

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harm reduction again that I see that more and more

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now than before. Oh well, I'm not sure I want

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to quit drinking. They'll they'll hear about the you know,

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the the Sinclair method where you take now track phone

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only before you drink so you don't want to drink

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as much. And there, you know again people want quick fixes.

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Speaker 5: Your question, but yeah, I think.

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Speaker 6: With harm reduction, I totally get it. I'm not a

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person who's like anti harm reduction, especially if you're talking

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about heroin.

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Speaker 5: Or you know, because we know there's.

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Speaker 3: A terrible heroine problem in America right.

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want to moderate. I mean, I can't tell you how

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many people have emailed me or like hit me up

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but like how do I moderate? And it's like, well,

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you don't because you're not, because you can't, like if

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you're coming to somebody. If you're saying, like I have

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this problem where I just keep drinking out of control,

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then I guarantee you you've already tried moderating. You've already

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tried it and failed a lot of times. So it's

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the idea that at some point I'm really going to

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get this thing, Like, at some point, I'm just going

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to keep it to two drinks a couple times a week.

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twice and then drink seven drinks.

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Speaker 1: The behavior of you know, you just don't want to

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let it go, you know, they and and so I'll

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see a lot of people back and I'll do the noltres.

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I'll say, look, you know it's not really approved, but

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if you're and I'll tell them, I'll say, you know,

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I'm not trying to depress you, but you know I'm

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a doctor. There's again, I go back to the neurobiology

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you is you've crossed a certain line. And then I'll

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00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,720
tell them, you know, you could stop drinking for one

472
00:24:37,799 --> 00:24:40,240
year or ten years. I'll you know, and I'll say

473
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,920
certain things get rewired twelve to eighteen months, and the

474
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,359
urges and the craving and the connection between your mid

475
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,319
brain and your executive function cortex, those things sort of

476
00:24:51,319 --> 00:24:54,640
get get buffered and decreased. But I said, the one

477
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,200
thing that doesn't change is like tolerance for alcohol. And example,

478
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,920
I had this woman at thirty five. I she quit drinking.

479
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:05,519
It did AA stayed sober. Husband passed away when she

480
00:25:05,599 --> 00:25:07,920
was seventy, and she figured, well, what the hell I

481
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,039
can start? You know, if I start drinking now, I've

482
00:25:10,079 --> 00:25:12,880
been sober thirty five years, you know, by the time

483
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,319
it'll take me till I'm eighty to get back where

484
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,359
I was. She was drinking like a leader and a

485
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,720
half in vodka a day until she got sober. Within

486
00:25:20,759 --> 00:25:22,640
about a month, she was back to a leader and

487
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,079
a half a day. So some things changed that I'll

488
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,000
tell patients. The good news is your the intensity of

489
00:25:28,039 --> 00:25:32,839
craving and your ability to return to you know, pretty functional,

490
00:25:32,839 --> 00:25:36,799
happy life. It'll take twelve eighteen months. And that's my

491
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,039
other reason I really firmly support AA. I say this

492
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,119
is there's what we know now is AA or it

493
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:49,799
could be another structured program really supports this rewiring process. So,

494
00:25:51,079 --> 00:25:54,519
but certain things change, Certain things, don't Your tolerance for

495
00:25:54,599 --> 00:25:59,480
a substance and the returning to those behaviors that got

496
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,759
you in trouble. Uh, you know, there's there's no you know,

497
00:26:03,799 --> 00:26:06,880
there's no cure for that. So so anyway, how.

498
00:26:06,759 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 6: Do you deal with the preconceptions people have about twelve Step?

499
00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:13,519
You know, I I think a lot of people that

500
00:26:13,599 --> 00:26:16,559
talk to me say, uh, I don't want to do

501
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,720
that all that like, I don't want to do all.

502
00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 5: That God talk.

503
00:26:19,519 --> 00:26:22,079
Speaker 6: And if you if you've met me, you know I'm

504
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,400
pretty agnostic. I don't I'm not all about the Jesus talk.

505
00:26:26,839 --> 00:26:30,000
And I have found from my experience with twelve step

506
00:26:30,079 --> 00:26:32,839
that it's really what you make of it and which

507
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,279
meetings you go to, and you know, the types of

508
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,079
there's there's going to be different types of meetings, and

509
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,160
I don't go to meetings where, well.

510
00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:44,039
Speaker 5: You can you can.

511
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,039
Speaker 6: Take nobody is there, there's no bosses there, there's nobody's

512
00:26:47,079 --> 00:26:49,559
in charge of it. Nobody's really telling you what to do.

513
00:26:49,799 --> 00:26:54,000
It's really just like a group of people. In fact,

514
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,039
they say, you can think God can just stand for

515
00:26:57,079 --> 00:26:59,920
a group of drunks, you know it's a group of people.

516
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:04,119
Well it's to me the spirituality is just in everybody's

517
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,119
higher purpose that we're all just trying to feel better.

518
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 3: That's interesting.

519
00:27:08,279 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 6: So how do you because I just feel like there's

520
00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:14,720
a lot of stigma about the idea of going, you

521
00:27:14,759 --> 00:27:17,720
know what I mean, and misconceptions about what it's like.

522
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,519
So do you tell people like, no, it's kind of fun,

523
00:27:21,079 --> 00:27:22,519
get to hear some crazy stories.

524
00:27:23,519 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: Well then oh yeah, it's a drunk a lot I

525
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,079
don't want to hear about other people. Yeah, I just

526
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,559
go back to there's so many different rationalizations for why

527
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,079
not to go, and I and I you know again,

528
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,319
I'm just I'm not the therapist, and there's there's other

529
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,759
ways of approaching it. But I say to them, you know,

530
00:27:41,839 --> 00:27:44,880
I say to them, and I have more you know,

531
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,240
I have an hour, hour and a half or patients

532
00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:50,519
have to tolerate my going on about this. But I

533
00:27:50,599 --> 00:27:54,240
go back and I say, years ago when I started

534
00:27:54,279 --> 00:27:56,559
doing this, they sent me to a program. They said

535
00:27:56,559 --> 00:27:58,079
you got to be like a patient for a month.

536
00:27:58,559 --> 00:28:02,079
And it's like okay, catch yeah. Yeah. Back in I

537
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:03,839
was doing you know, I was at a trauma center

538
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:09,440
doing emergency medicine, and I chose toxicology and drug overdose

539
00:28:09,599 --> 00:28:11,640
is my area to teach. Who were starting a training

540
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,359
program at Loe Melinda. And this is decades ago. So

541
00:28:16,839 --> 00:28:20,720
I found this this course work at u c l A,

542
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,839
which I thought was on drug overdose. And the first

543
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,519
the first lecture was this guy doing a lecture on addiction,

544
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,799
medicine and youth culture or something like that. He was

545
00:28:29,799 --> 00:28:32,799
talking about music and moves in and I remember I

546
00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:34,359
went up there for him and said, Wow, what's this

547
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,799
addiction medicine thing? Because you know when you're if you're

548
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:42,759
emergency medicine, surgery, real medicine, you know, it's like a psychiapy. Addiction,

549
00:28:43,079 --> 00:28:46,480
you know, addiction, what's that? That's what causes you know.

550
00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:50,119
So anyway, so long story short, this guy talked to me,

551
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,559
goes Hey, there's it's a whole new field of medicine.

552
00:28:52,599 --> 00:28:56,519
There's a training program available. So I did this training

553
00:28:56,559 --> 00:28:58,440
and residence thing where you didn't have to quit your

554
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,200
faculty job, your medical job, but you could do training.

555
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,680
And they sent me to our members Long Beach Memorial

556
00:29:04,839 --> 00:29:08,119
for some initial training, and I got exposed to AA

557
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,119
and it was like, I said, what the heck? I

558
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:11,920
can't send patients to this. You know, you go in

559
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,279
there and they say keep it simple, stupid and white knuckling,

560
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,119
and you know, oh, it's.

561
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,519
Speaker 5: A lot of ridiculous slogans.

562
00:29:18,599 --> 00:29:21,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, ridiculous slogan. So what I tell patients now? And

563
00:29:21,839 --> 00:29:24,680
again we don't have enough to hear my whole spiel,

564
00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:27,799
but I'll say, you know what, now, when I look back,

565
00:29:28,079 --> 00:29:31,400
every one of those slogans, every one of those stupid

566
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,960
little things has a correlation in neurobiology. That's what I

567
00:29:36,039 --> 00:29:39,000
tell what's white knuckling it? Well, white knuckling it is

568
00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:42,200
your your olympics. Your mid brain sending messages to your

569
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,200
cortex to change what you're doing to get that substance back.

570
00:29:46,279 --> 00:29:49,519
Your brain doesn't know alcohol from heroin, but it knows

571
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,279
you're not getting that substance, and it's sending those messages up. Well,

572
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,839
what is that first year of sobriety, buffering those messages,

573
00:29:56,839 --> 00:29:58,839
getting rid of them, whether you take now techson for

574
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,799
craving or subox one for opious. But another part of it,

575
00:30:01,799 --> 00:30:06,559
it's not just that that substance. It's not just that medication.

576
00:30:06,599 --> 00:30:09,359
So I'll tell the patients. By going to meetings, you're

577
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,480
buffering those messages. And they talk about white knuckling it.

578
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,519
If you just sit and fight your mid brain, it's

579
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,640
you're just wasting time and you're creating more cortisole and

580
00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:21,640
stress of your system. When you talk to your sponsor,

581
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,799
when you go to a meeting, you buffer those messages

582
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,480
and it starts to accelerate the rewiring process. So I say,

583
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,480
I don't care what you do in two years or

584
00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:33,799
four years. You won't remember me, you won't remember the program.

585
00:30:33,799 --> 00:30:38,119
But I'll say you, in calling your sponsor, going to

586
00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:41,400
a meeting, you're sort of buffering and you're sort of

587
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,440
decreasing the intensity and the consequences of that part of

588
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,200
your brain. And you know, and each of these you know,

589
00:30:49,319 --> 00:30:54,119
keep it simple. People tend to actual intellectualize, especially you know,

590
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:58,119
a few months into sobriety, they'll start to, oh, no,

591
00:30:58,119 --> 00:30:58,480
now I.

592
00:30:58,480 --> 00:30:59,079
Speaker 4: Know what to do.

593
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,359
Speaker 1: I'm okay, you know, every one of those things to

594
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,640
me has a neurobiologic quarrel it. And that's what I'll

595
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,799
tell patients as long as you're willing to listen. And

596
00:31:05,799 --> 00:31:08,119
I'll say for that first twelve to eighteen months, when

597
00:31:08,119 --> 00:31:12,279
your brain's rewiring, you better do something structured outside talking

598
00:31:12,319 --> 00:31:14,200
to me once a month and talking with therapist. You're

599
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,440
your psychiatrist, calling a sponsor. And I'll say, God, God's

600
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:19,920
the group, God's your sponsor.

601
00:31:20,079 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 4: Blah blah blah.

602
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: So that's that's my spiel. And I'm pretty you know,

603
00:31:23,759 --> 00:31:26,000
I just had I had somebody in the last week

604
00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:29,599
as Hindu, somebody else that was Buddhist. Fine, don't go

605
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,519
to you know, but I say, aa, God, God's group.

606
00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:33,279
Speaker 4: It's not you know.

607
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,839
Speaker 1: Sometimes they'll do the Lord's prayer that pisses people off,

608
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,440
but I'll say, just look at the big picture, look

609
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,279
at the process. Quit looking at you know, there's always going.

610
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 4: To be something to pickap.

611
00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: So I kind of like, I.

612
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 6: Kind of like the Lord's prayer. I've grown to uh

613
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,599
not mind it. It's sort of like nice to do

614
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,960
a little thing together. You're all holding hands and you

615
00:31:54,039 --> 00:31:56,799
were saying a prayer and it sort of like tunes

616
00:31:56,839 --> 00:31:58,079
you into.

617
00:31:58,279 --> 00:31:59,319
Speaker 5: A higher purpose.

618
00:31:59,599 --> 00:32:03,319
Speaker 6: I don't think of it as like I don't think Jesus.

619
00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:05,119
Speaker 3: Right in my mind, I could see that I'm.

620
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,839
Speaker 5: Not a Jesus girl. I'm a Jew. So I'm not

621
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,599
a Jew for Jesus. Tell me the.

622
00:32:09,559 --> 00:32:11,559
Speaker 1: Detended who I was sitting and standing next.

623
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, media, can you talk to us about the correlation

624
00:32:16,759 --> 00:32:21,400
between you're also treating chronic pain? So what's that like,

625
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,880
Like you're dealing with addiction, but you're also having to

626
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,240
address people who have like legitimate pain.

627
00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:31,599
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's very interesting. So a lot of referrals,

628
00:32:32,359 --> 00:32:36,599
especially now, it started out with Purdue Farm and you

629
00:32:36,599 --> 00:32:39,559
know Hillbilly Harrow and the oxycon and that's you know,

630
00:32:39,599 --> 00:32:42,039
going back twenty years to early two thousands, it was

631
00:32:42,119 --> 00:32:46,119
like people were getting over medicated. They were saying, well,

632
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,720
oxyconton doesn't get you addicted if you have true pain,

633
00:32:49,319 --> 00:32:57,000
stable blood levels. And then obviously the doctors, doctors I know,

634
00:32:57,119 --> 00:32:59,799
like myself, I was in emergency medicine. I never prescribed

635
00:32:59,799 --> 00:33:04,319
any thing, you know, like oxycon or oxycotone. But I

636
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,599
know that on the charts you'd see patients coming into

637
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,759
pain medicine visits and if they had the unhappy face,

638
00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:11,160
you know, you.

639
00:33:11,119 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 3: Had the the uh, how you feeling.

640
00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: The visual scale thing, yeah, and if it was an

641
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,960
unhappy face, and the people that did you know, accreditation

642
00:33:21,119 --> 00:33:23,839
for hospitals, they'd look and if you weren't. I just

643
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,319
noticed that these doctors weren't increase in the opiates when

644
00:33:26,319 --> 00:33:29,519
the pain was worse. They were getting ding. So there

645
00:33:29,599 --> 00:33:32,759
was also, hey, you know there's a pain medicine available,

646
00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:35,480
and your patient's still having pain, given more. And then

647
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,119
people were going out and switching the street heroin blah

648
00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:41,680
blah blah, And so the pendulum has swung the other way.

649
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:46,880
So in organized medicine now they look at morphine milligram equivalents.

650
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,480
So in other words, like one milligram of hydro codonner

651
00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:53,759
noric or vikings like one a morphine. A milligram of

652
00:33:53,839 --> 00:33:56,319
purposet or oxycodone is like one and a half milligrams

653
00:33:56,319 --> 00:33:59,960
of morphine. And they're saying it was like, okay, everybody

654
00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:05,319
needs to be under two hundred milligram morphine equivalents than

655
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,480
one twenty than ninety. Now it's like in a lot

656
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,920
of systems forty or fifty, so people are they're not

657
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,639
paying attention to why they're having pain. It's just unless

658
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:17,400
you have cancer or you're on hospice or paylliad if

659
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,320
you you have to have your your opiate level drop.

660
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,760
So we're so we get a lot of referrals and

661
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,960
addiction medicine where it's like, uh, I don't I don't

662
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,559
know why this person is on so much opius they

663
00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:32,800
need more and more, just get them off it. And

664
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:39,039
so uh, it's it's really amazing how many people are

665
00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:44,599
not they're not having their real diagnosis addressed. And they

666
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:48,440
have other reasons for you know, like early refills what

667
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,679
we call aber and see so but anyway, so in

668
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:58,800
pain medicine today, there is a much greater need for

669
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,800
having addiction medicin and in psychiatry involved. And so where

670
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,079
it's going now is having like complex pain clinic where

671
00:35:05,639 --> 00:35:08,039
you know you're you're really looking at why is somebody

672
00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:09,559
on the opiates every day?

673
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 4: Do they really need it? And we're learning more.

674
00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:15,159
Speaker 1: About, for instance, opiate induced type algesius. So some people

675
00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:18,880
when you give them opiates for pain it sends me,

676
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,239
it does something in the nervous system where they're more

677
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,639
sensitive to the pain and they need more and and

678
00:35:24,679 --> 00:35:27,920
so there will again a lot of complexities to these patients.

679
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,480
So the so the answer is what we're doing at

680
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:36,639
our place, we're developing complex Pain clinic where we're we're saying,

681
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,679
you know, okay, you're on a lot of opiates. Is

682
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,800
this because the opiate is causing you to need more

683
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,159
opiates because your pain is getting worse. It's just it's

684
00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:49,400
just really scrutinizing it and not for everybody that's on

685
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:51,880
over a certain amount of opiate. Oh, you have a

686
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:56,320
problem your physically physical dependence and addiction two different things.

687
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,400
So addiction is taking it on your own, taking it

688
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,320
for a mood change, and it affecting your ability to function.

689
00:36:03,519 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 4: So it's really trying to be more.

690
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 1: Trying to trying to be more delving into the into

691
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,599
the intricacies and details as it affects the patient. Because

692
00:36:17,639 --> 00:36:20,840
patients there there what happened there are a lot of suicide,

693
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,360
A lot of people are having the europia. It's just

694
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:27,119
cut off or dropped too quickly. And these people weren't addicts,

695
00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:30,559
they had real pain and the you know, the whole

696
00:36:30,559 --> 00:36:32,360
person wasn't being addressed.

697
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,599
Speaker 6: So do you ever say to people like, god, stop

698
00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:36,800
being such a fucking baby.

699
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:39,639
Speaker 1: Well, where you're.

700
00:36:39,559 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 3: Fine, Bruce, You're you're the you're the the specialist. But

701
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,480
and you're saying that you're not a therapist. But speaking

702
00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:49,960
of speaking, a therapist, if you're looking for a therapist, yeah,

703
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

729
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Speaker 6: Yeah, so, so can you talk to us? Are you

730
00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:15,960
still up on like just regular medical shit?

731
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 5: Noh, Like what's up with this bird flu?

732
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 6: But also how are we dealing with all the anti

733
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,360
vax bs out there?

734
00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:27,119
Speaker 3: Yeah?

735
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Speaker 5: Do you have any opinions on that? Start with the

736
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:31,400
bird flu? First?

737
00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 3: What is going on with this bird flu?

738
00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:36,079
Speaker 1: You know, it's a matter of there's a reservoir. You

739
00:38:36,119 --> 00:38:41,199
got a virus, right, and it's it's it's like the influenza.

740
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:42,760
You know, every year you got to get a new

741
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,880
flu shot. Because the virus is in all the u

742
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,119
in all the pigs and asia. Suppose that's the first

743
00:38:50,159 --> 00:38:53,639
place where it pops up. And when the virus jumps

744
00:38:53,639 --> 00:38:57,639
from the animal population, to people and then from one

745
00:38:57,679 --> 00:39:01,239
person to the next. So right, now, what they're saying is, oh,

746
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,719
the there's this virus is circulating in the this is

747
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,239
an influenza. This is a different virus. Right, It's in

748
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,360
the birds. It's going from birds to bird, and people

749
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,679
that work with birds can get maybe they can get

750
00:39:15,679 --> 00:39:19,840
the virus from the bird and get sick, but can

751
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,000
they can the virus mutate to where it can jump from.

752
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,199
Speaker 4: That person to another human?

753
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: Right, So there's animal to animal, animal to human, and

754
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,880
then human to human. And you want to why they

755
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,599
kill all the birds that have the virus. You want

756
00:39:32,599 --> 00:39:34,679
to stop it from going to a person because once

757
00:39:34,679 --> 00:39:37,119
the virus gets in the person, then it can mutate

758
00:39:37,199 --> 00:39:39,159
and figure out how to get to another person.

759
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:39,559
Speaker 4: Right.

760
00:39:40,559 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: So in other words, if I get rabies, I can't

761
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:44,519
give it to somebody else.

762
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 4: Right, But yeah, you see what I'm saying.

763
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: So the problem, the problem with the bird flu thing

764
00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:54,599
is these these kind of virus is spread by you know,

765
00:39:54,679 --> 00:39:58,800
coughing or sneezing. So you can imagine if they're virulent enough,

766
00:39:59,079 --> 00:40:02,039
what if a iv you could give to somebody by

767
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:03,119
coughing or sneezing.

768
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Speaker 4: Right, So, so right, now it's just.

769
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Speaker 1: And then if you can isolate the virus soon enough

770
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and develop a vaccine.

771
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,079
Speaker 4: It's it's really a race against you know, how quickly

772
00:40:15,159 --> 00:40:16,400
this thing mutake.

773
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,079
Speaker 6: Except for how how much are we going to be

774
00:40:18,519 --> 00:40:20,719
coming up with new vaccines.

775
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:21,199
Speaker 5: With r f K.

776
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: He's got nothing to do with vaccines his they're not

777
00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:29,920
they're not going to let him get anywhere near a vaccine.

778
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,960
Uh yeah, so you know, they're what they want to

779
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:36,880
look at. It's just I looked into that thing, you

780
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,800
know with him. Oh, he opposed he wanted to get

781
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,719
rid of this vaccine. Well, the vaccine he wanted he was.

782
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,360
There were like eight vaccines for polio, and one of

783
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,960
them he felt there was an adequate safety data on.

784
00:40:47,159 --> 00:40:50,079
That's that's where what he It's not like, oh, you know,

785
00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:52,679
he wants to get rid of all the all the

786
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:53,880
polio vaccines.

787
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Speaker 6: So he wants to get rid of he wants to

788
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,320
outlaw antidepressants.

789
00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:01,679
Speaker 5: Have you heard and ADHD meds?

790
00:41:03,639 --> 00:41:05,079
Speaker 1: Right? Well, there are a lot.

791
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,199
Speaker 3: Does he have the power to No?

792
00:41:08,199 --> 00:41:12,559
Speaker 1: No, But okay, there there's a guy you see I

793
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:17,119
in psychiatry, and here's his theory and he he's you know,

794
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,960
on the I think he's still I better watch, would

795
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,159
I say? But anyway, so he may be another medical school.

796
00:41:23,159 --> 00:41:25,599
But anyway, there are people in psychiatry that feel like

797
00:41:26,159 --> 00:41:28,840
somebody comes in and they're depressed. You put them on

798
00:41:29,079 --> 00:41:33,719
a serotonin reuptake inhibitor. They stopped making serotonin as much

799
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,800
as they would they would have responded, they would have normalized,

800
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:41,079
and now they're dependent on that medication. You know. I

801
00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:45,039
think there's no doubt there's a concern about the amount

802
00:41:45,079 --> 00:41:47,519
of adderall is floating around out there, and thee and

803
00:41:47,559 --> 00:41:54,480
diagnosing ADHDEA, and certainly getting rid of TV ads for medications.

804
00:41:54,519 --> 00:41:58,159
We're so medical, we're so medication oriented, and if you

805
00:41:58,199 --> 00:42:02,480
look at your food labels, you know what's in what's

806
00:42:02,519 --> 00:42:03,119
in our food.

807
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 4: I have family in Norway. I go there, you know,

808
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:07,599
yearlier every other year.

809
00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 1: And it's true there's there's a difference in how how

810
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,000
other countries approaching. So I don't think there's gonna I

811
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,719
think there's gonna be a huge difference. I think the

812
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:20,800
guy's gonna fight advertising on TV for medications. And also

813
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:27,079
there there is a big backlashing amongst physicians that don't

814
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,480
feel like people are getting prescribed at antidepressants too quickly

815
00:42:31,519 --> 00:42:36,440
and an adderall for ADHD. It's, you know, sell the

816
00:42:36,559 --> 00:42:41,920
smartphones and kids behavior. If you take the smartphone away,

817
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,679
then give them some adderroll. I don't know, you know

818
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,320
what I mean. So I don't know the I don't

819
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,920
know the politics. I'm not Republican or Democrat, but I

820
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,280
think you gotta be careful if you label this guy's

821
00:42:53,639 --> 00:42:55,920
he's just there to get rid of vaccines.

822
00:42:56,159 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 5: You know he's crazy though, right, I don't know.

823
00:43:00,519 --> 00:43:02,039
Speaker 1: I don't know him. I mean I know people that

824
00:43:02,159 --> 00:43:03,519
know him, and I don't.

825
00:43:03,519 --> 00:43:04,079
Speaker 4: I don't know how.

826
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: I'd have to ask Scheryl Hines how crazy he is.

827
00:43:06,519 --> 00:43:09,000
He's pretty Listen, here's what I wanted to.

828
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 6: Here's help you out and tell you that he's out

829
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:12,599
of his fucking mind.

830
00:43:13,199 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 4: Yeah.

831
00:43:13,559 --> 00:43:15,519
Speaker 1: So, but here's what i'd like.

832
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 5: He is anti vaccine.

833
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,519
Speaker 1: Okay, well, I don't know. I mean, I'm anti COVID vaccine.

834
00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:26,119
Speaker 6: So really tell us about that. I haven't had a

835
00:43:26,119 --> 00:43:30,320
COVID vaccine since the since the early you know, what

836
00:43:30,639 --> 00:43:32,119
are they still making them?

837
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: It's granular? It's like WHOA, So my understanding. I think

838
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,519
if you're six months old or older, they're pushing the

839
00:43:38,639 --> 00:43:43,800
vaccinate your kid, and it's like, uh, that COVID's changed.

840
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:48,039
I don't think every every human being should get COVID

841
00:43:48,119 --> 00:43:49,679
vaccine now, did I think so?

842
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 4: When it first came out?

843
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: Yes? Has there been? Was there censorship about talking about

844
00:43:57,039 --> 00:44:00,679
the possible problems with the VACK? You know, It's like,

845
00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:03,960
does this it creates It's a different way of doing

846
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,480
a vaccine. It creates a spike protein. Can that protein

847
00:44:08,119 --> 00:44:11,920
go and concentrate in a certain oregon? Can it create

848
00:44:12,679 --> 00:44:15,679
you know, inflammation in the heart. I mean, I don't.

849
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,280
I think there was you know, doctors that we that

850
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:24,800
I know that spoke up. I were you know, death

851
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,719
threats and stuff. I know as a doctor, I was

852
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,000
afraid to tell my patients what I thought about masks

853
00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:33,559
and about the vaccine because I'd either lose my job

854
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,119
or somebody would go on the internet and threaten me.

855
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,159
That's crazy. This is the United States.

856
00:44:39,199 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 4: I'm a doctor.

857
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not telling people never wear a mask.

858
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,599
I'm just saying, here's the risk benefit. So if we're

859
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:48,280
doing a risk benefit on a vaccine, I could lose

860
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,159
my job or have people try and kill me. That's

861
00:44:51,199 --> 00:44:51,920
that's insane.

862
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 3: So I remember, Bruce, when when COVID first hit, it

863
00:44:56,079 --> 00:45:00,400
was March. It was the end of March, and in

864
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:05,480
our household, uh, nobody really took it that seriously yet,

865
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,559
it was kind of like, what's going on? Whatever? The

866
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:13,840
school I think just shut down. And then you were like,

867
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,719
we had you on our on our speakerphone and we

868
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,840
had a family meeting. Do you remember that, and we

869
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,199
were like, Okay, let's talk to Bruce. Bruce's on the

870
00:45:22,199 --> 00:45:25,280
front line. You were working at the hospitals, what's going on?

871
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,599
And then you were the one that's like, you, guys

872
00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:29,800
got to really take this fucking thing seriously. You got

873
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,400
to start, you know, you got to start social distancing,

874
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:36,760
wearing masks, staying home like you were. You you're the

875
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,000
one that like told us to like start paying attention

876
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,360
to what's going on. Right, it was like days or

877
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,719
weeks after Now are you anti mask?

878
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 6: Now?

879
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:52,199
Speaker 1: Well, I think that bad. That was when it first

880
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,199
came out, But I think within a couple of if

881
00:45:54,199 --> 00:45:55,639
you talk to me a few months later, because I

882
00:45:55,679 --> 00:45:57,559
think Drew and I were on the same pretty much

883
00:45:57,599 --> 00:45:58,400
on the same page.

884
00:45:58,639 --> 00:46:02,599
Speaker 3: Right, what do you mean as far as masks not working?

885
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,599
Speaker 1: Or well, you know, when it came out.

886
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,199
Speaker 3: Like you said, benefits and cons or whatever.

887
00:46:09,079 --> 00:46:11,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it just depends when it first came out.

888
00:46:12,159 --> 00:46:14,280
We didn't know how very liln it was. I think

889
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:19,119
I think people were misled and doctors were misled about

890
00:46:19,639 --> 00:46:22,639
the morbidity and mortality and healthy age groups and being

891
00:46:22,679 --> 00:46:25,360
able to talk about that. So, you know, and by

892
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,360
the end of the year, I was first in not

893
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,440
first in life, but I mean I got my vaccine

894
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,079
and I got my booster. But as time went on,

895
00:46:32,519 --> 00:46:37,159
what I found there there was there was bias against

896
00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:42,599
saying anything that might discourage use of that vaccine. And

897
00:46:42,639 --> 00:46:44,159
I came to the point where it was like, well, wait,

898
00:46:44,519 --> 00:46:48,599
wait a second, you know there may be yeah, there

899
00:46:48,679 --> 00:46:52,440
are risks, and there was. Yeah. So when I talked

900
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,119
to you guys in March, I said, hey, I would

901
00:46:54,159 --> 00:46:57,639
do everything they're suggesting, social distancing, wear masks until we

902
00:46:57,679 --> 00:47:03,000
know more. And I was, but I think that three

903
00:47:03,039 --> 00:47:05,760
months six months later, I was like, well, wait a second,

904
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,159
you know, the social distancing, the closing, it really doesn't

905
00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:13,119
make sense. And then when I started saying that, I

906
00:47:13,159 --> 00:47:16,280
mean I had people screaming at me. I was I

907
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,199
was telling you know, and people that were in position

908
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,599
of authority. I said, well, just wait a thing, and

909
00:47:22,599 --> 00:47:24,760
they said, you have to understand when you like when

910
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,679
I got fitted for masks. We get fitted for masks,

911
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,719
like an emergency medicine. You go and there's different sizes,

912
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,159
have been ninety five masks and they do a test

913
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:38,079
where they test to see if anything's getting through, etc.

914
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 4: So, anyway, but do.

915
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 6: You think it seems to me that yes, there could

916
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,079
be overkill, Like maybe all the kids in school didn't

917
00:47:46,119 --> 00:47:48,480
need to be wearing masks every day, especially the kind

918
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,239
of little fabric ones or whatever. But if you're let's

919
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,559
say you're a doctor and you work, let's say let's

920
00:47:54,599 --> 00:47:57,760
just say you're a doctor, but let's say you're doing

921
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,199
COVID testing on people, right, are you saying, like people

922
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,480
who are dealing with people who potentially have COVID, like

923
00:48:04,599 --> 00:48:07,320
every single day, you know, if I go into urgent

924
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,280
care and get a flu test and a COVID test,

925
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,599
are you saying the doctor shouldn't bother wearing a mask.

926
00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:14,559
Speaker 4: I don't even know if they do anymore.

927
00:48:14,679 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 5: They do, of course they do.

928
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:21,079
Speaker 1: But didn't you just.

929
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 3: Say they have to have the right mask? So it

930
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:23,199
fits or whatever.

931
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 1: And I don't think if you go to the er

932
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,920
everybody's wearing an A ninety five mask anymore, are they?

933
00:48:29,639 --> 00:48:32,639
Speaker 6: But if you go in which I have many times

934
00:48:32,679 --> 00:48:34,239
gone in to get a COVID test or a flu

935
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,000
test at my local urgent care, they're wearing They're not

936
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:40,239
coming up to you with the nasal swab not masked.

937
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,199
They're not like breathing in your face. They would have,

938
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:44,840
they would be getting sick all the time.

939
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 1: But yeah, well I don't know. I mean I have

940
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,480
to check. So the point is those paper masks, which

941
00:48:54,519 --> 00:48:57,400
what I see everybody wearing, Now, those are useless, right,

942
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,199
But here's the thing. If I have a cow or

943
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,599
somebody has a cough, everybody in the waiting room should

944
00:49:02,599 --> 00:49:04,880
be wearing a mask because it's because they don't so

945
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:06,679
they don't cough and spew out.

946
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 5: Right. Yeah, but you do agree people should wear a mask.

947
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:12,519
Speaker 4: If they're sif if you're in a good place.

948
00:49:12,559 --> 00:49:15,119
Speaker 1: But if I go to you know, it's like I'm

949
00:49:15,159 --> 00:49:17,239
still seeing people driving in their car by themselves, or

950
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:18,679
riding a bicycle wearing a mask.

951
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 6: Oh no, I saw somebody outside literally outside at night

952
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:22,800
the other.

953
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,039
Speaker 5: Day wearing a mask. I was like, who who is

954
00:49:25,079 --> 00:49:25,480
that for?

955
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: Right? Or I went to the swat meet and Long

956
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,159
Beach yesterday. I go with my son every you know,

957
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,440
it's the only time I have seen my son saying.

958
00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:37,840
But I mean, you know, nobody's wearing masks there you're outside.

959
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:38,639
Speaker 4: I mean it's insane.

960
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,519
Speaker 6: I'm just talking about wearing a mask in front of

961
00:49:41,559 --> 00:49:44,880
somebody who might be coughing, who's potentially.

962
00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:50,519
Speaker 1: It doesn't help you. No, no, no, no, because first

963
00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:52,920
of all, that the virus wore a.

964
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 6: Mask around my husband who had the flu all week,

965
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,079
and I did really didn't want to catch it, so

966
00:49:57,119 --> 00:49:58,960
I wore a mask around him.

967
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 4: It's not going to help you.

968
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,639
Speaker 1: So he doesn't have him wear the mask if he's

969
00:50:03,679 --> 00:50:04,280
caught diad.

970
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 5: I didn't.

971
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 6: I refuse to drive in a car with him unless

972
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,880
we were both wearing a mask, just while he was

973
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,280
contagious from the flu.

974
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:11,639
Speaker 5: You don't think that's helpful.

975
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,159
Speaker 4: What kind of flu did he have?

976
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: Real?

977
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 4: Did he? A?

978
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 5: Yeah?

979
00:50:15,519 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: Oh, Influenza A is no joke. That scares me much.

980
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:22,480
COVID now does not worry me. Influenzae. I had influenza

981
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:25,119
A or B in nineteen ninety six, I almost die.

982
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 6: We were literally just talking about this on our on

983
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,880
our first show this week. Yeah, so you agree that,

984
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,119
like I shouldn't be driving in a car with.

985
00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: Him with Well, the point is you're already exposed. And

986
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:42,599
it's it's not these things are they're by the time

987
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,039
that you think you can prevent it, you've already been exposed.

988
00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 4: You know.

989
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: That's the thing. So it's sort of like we're how

990
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,840
many angels in the head of a pin? Let me so,

991
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,639
I don't know, you know, it's like masks, those cotton

992
00:50:55,679 --> 00:50:58,559
masks are the only thing they do is whoever sick

993
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,320
should wear it, so they're not ofting and spewing out

994
00:51:01,519 --> 00:51:05,159
bacteria or viruses into the air. But you wearing it

995
00:51:05,199 --> 00:51:07,920
in the car with him, I.

996
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,119
Speaker 5: Was wearing a K ninety five.

997
00:51:10,119 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's not it's not you know, when we

998
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,119
do the fittings for those things, it's air that can

999
00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:17,760
get in. You know what I'm saying, you're.

1000
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:21,119
Speaker 6: Still reducing some right, I'm not trying. I'm literally not

1001
00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:24,239
trying to argue. I'm literally I'm interested if I if

1002
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,039
that didn't help me at all, but I felt I

1003
00:51:26,079 --> 00:51:26,679
felt safe.

1004
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,159
Speaker 3: It doesn't It really like reduce We've got to reduce

1005
00:51:29,199 --> 00:51:29,480
it a.

1006
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,119
Speaker 6: Little because I didn't get it. I did not get

1007
00:51:32,119 --> 00:51:32,440
the flu.

1008
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,599
Speaker 1: Well, you may have subclinically had it, and you've dwelt antibodies,

1009
00:51:36,639 --> 00:51:39,440
and that's some of those things. It's academic why you

1010
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,679
didn't you didn't get it, or if we tested you,

1011
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,320
now you have antibodies and you didn't clinically get sick.

1012
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 4: I don't know, but or you're whatever. I think it

1013
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:48,960
makes it feel better.

1014
00:51:49,039 --> 00:51:52,599
Speaker 1: I think the misnomer is those those cotton masks, forget it,

1015
00:51:52,639 --> 00:51:55,440
the one the K ninety five then ninety five. The

1016
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,280
virus is smaller, so it can still get through. Certainly

1017
00:51:59,519 --> 00:52:02,880
you're less likely. But when he was just getting sick

1018
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,360
and you didn't realize the head influenza, hey, that's when

1019
00:52:05,639 --> 00:52:09,400
you're really susceptible. Also so, but I'm just saying the

1020
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:13,360
social at some point, the social distancing and not and

1021
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,719
and this thing about and not being able to talk

1022
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,440
to patients about risk benefit, you know. I mean, I

1023
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,719
have a cousin that dropped dead three months after I

1024
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:28,159
mean totally healthy, not overweight, exercise all the time, and

1025
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,920
he dropped dead of some weird hard thing. And it's

1026
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,360
like I want, and he was, you know, all vaccinated,

1027
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:38,280
so you just wonder if something you know related to

1028
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,800
the vaccine. I don't know, but of course it was like,

1029
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:47,000
well that was that seemed very unexpected And anyway, I.

1030
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 2: Have a question for but just to change topics, okay,

1031
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,639
because I'm interested in it. So this is going back

1032
00:52:53,639 --> 00:52:58,039
to like addiction and depression and treating that. Do you

1033
00:52:58,159 --> 00:53:01,079
are you into it all? Treating depression? I know they

1034
00:53:01,079 --> 00:53:02,960
do it a lot with soldiers and PTSD, but with

1035
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:08,280
psychedelics like psilocybin, ketamine, m D M A like, are

1036
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,440
you what do you know about this world? And I

1037
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,159
know a lot they do it a lot with soldiers

1038
00:53:12,159 --> 00:53:14,800
that have PTSD, But do you know about them doing

1039
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,719
it with you know, lesser things like like depression or

1040
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:19,960
anxiety or that sort of stuff.

1041
00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:21,119
Speaker 1: Well, I don't.

1042
00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:21,760
Speaker 4: I don't do that.

1043
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll start people and again I'm not I'm

1044
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,440
not a therapeutic nihilist to the point where I don't

1045
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:30,079
treat people. I start people on antidepressants. You know, as

1046
00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:33,480
indicated by my training in the medical literature and the

1047
00:53:33,519 --> 00:53:38,760
medical board, we use ketamine now routinely for depression.

1048
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 4: I don't do it I refer and I'm.

1049
00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:45,599
Speaker 2: Not asking you personally prescribing me like pilicidal people, but

1050
00:53:45,679 --> 00:53:46,440
do you think it works?

1051
00:53:47,039 --> 00:53:50,519
Speaker 1: Yeah? For PTSD. I mean they're doing stellic ganglion blocks

1052
00:53:50,519 --> 00:53:51,519
where your block.

1053
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 4: You know, there's a lot that's going on.

1054
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: It's just you know. And there's a great NYU on PBF.

1055
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,280
I don't know if it's a nova or something on

1056
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,840
PBS about the psilocybin program at n YU. I think

1057
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:11,840
it's great. It's just if somebody wants to take psilocybin

1058
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,599
the places that aren't doing it responsibly. If you have

1059
00:54:15,639 --> 00:54:19,800
a first degree relative with bipolar disorder schizophrenia, I would

1060
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:20,840
shy away from you.

1061
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 4: You just have to be careful, you know.

1062
00:54:22,519 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 1: And and again the fringe elements in society, they always

1063
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,039
want to say, uh, you know, it's the AMA doesn't

1064
00:54:30,079 --> 00:54:34,440
want to cancer cure released. I mean that kind of insanity.

1065
00:54:34,639 --> 00:54:36,679
It's you just got to be careful with these things.

1066
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,159
So I think that that psychedelics.

1067
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:43,159
Speaker 4: It's like what's Drew and I did a podcast.

1068
00:54:43,159 --> 00:54:45,760
Speaker 1: You have the woman that was microdosing LSD and she

1069
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,760
had tried everything in medicine imaginable and she felt it

1070
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:51,760
has saved her life. I think it probably did. I

1071
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,480
don't think we really, you know, but psychedelics, what they're

1072
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:58,840
doing in the brain is a very complicated thing, and

1073
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:03,119
there are rit it's at risk benefiting. But MDMA, I

1074
00:55:03,119 --> 00:55:05,119
think they've done the study you know, in the VA

1075
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,480
system right with veterans and made a huge difference. But

1076
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,679
just to go out and get MDMA. And this is where,

1077
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:16,159
you know, hopefully changes are made where these things become

1078
00:55:16,159 --> 00:55:19,360
more available so you know exactly what you're getting.

1079
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 3: Interesting.

1080
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, So let me just tell you this.

1081
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: The other thing that I tell my friends, I told

1082
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,159
you this whole thing with fentanyl scares the hell out

1083
00:55:29,199 --> 00:55:32,360
of me in terms of what we're seeing now. And

1084
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:36,559
I talk to people in emergency medicine and even you know,

1085
00:55:36,599 --> 00:55:40,360
I'm sure everybody knows somebody who's got a there's some

1086
00:55:40,639 --> 00:55:43,800
adolescent or young adult that's died of a ventyl overdose.

1087
00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:47,599
And the thing is, it's in Zana, it's in cocaine,

1088
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,920
it's in Noorco Street and Oracle. I don't know how

1089
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,519
many patients I've had that I referred to me that

1090
00:55:53,559 --> 00:55:56,639
are in their fifties, sixties, seventies and they popped for

1091
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:57,719
fentanyl on a test and.

1092
00:55:57,679 --> 00:55:59,599
Speaker 4: It's like I didn't take Venteryl.

1093
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,159
Speaker 1: Well, I went to Arizona and I left my purposet

1094
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,360
at home and my you know, my cousin who's seventy,

1095
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,480
gave me one of her percocets. It's it's it's in

1096
00:56:10,519 --> 00:56:14,000
every everything. Yeah, some of the pot. Now you know,

1097
00:56:14,039 --> 00:56:16,599
I talked to my son, goes, Dad, Man, what are

1098
00:56:16,599 --> 00:56:19,360
you listening to Fox News? It's not in pot. Well,

1099
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:25,320
it's not uniformly pot. Some pot has if you talk

1100
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:29,239
to people that some pot depends where you get it.

1101
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 4: I mean, not if you go to a reputable place.

1102
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying it's it's the fentandel is being

1103
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,800
just the danger is the kid goes. I tell my

1104
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:40,760
kids if you go to a if you go to

1105
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,000
your friend's house and you have a headache, don't take

1106
00:56:43,039 --> 00:56:45,119
a tile and all. I mean, I'm so paranoid about this.

1107
00:56:45,199 --> 00:56:47,599
And there's so many it's poisonings. There used to be

1108
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,320
overdoses and addicts. These are poisonings.

1109
00:56:50,519 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 6: Why are people trying to are they are they trying

1110
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:54,400
to poison people?

1111
00:56:54,639 --> 00:56:58,119
Speaker 5: Because what is what's.

1112
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 3: The benefit of having it?

1113
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 5: And everything? Yeah? Why are they put it?

1114
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 6: Why would it what's in it for somebody putting fentanyl

1115
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:04,280
in somebody's annex.

1116
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 1: Uh So you're getting into questions of the yeah, of course,

1117
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,840
well you know, and again I said this and a

1118
00:57:17,079 --> 00:57:19,239
I said, this is a community meeting where they asked

1119
00:57:19,239 --> 00:57:22,639
me to come and help out talking about treating opiate

1120
00:57:22,639 --> 00:57:24,920
addiction in the homeless population. I started out with I said, well,

1121
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,800
there's fentanyl and everything. Oh doctor. They ended up saying, well,

1122
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,360
maybe you don't know about your white privilege. It was like,

1123
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,199
how do we get from me talking to you about

1124
00:57:33,239 --> 00:57:36,119
helping the homeless population with the fentanyl thing? When I said,

1125
00:57:36,159 --> 00:57:38,639
there's an epidemic of it, it's coming across the border

1126
00:57:38,719 --> 00:57:43,559
in tons the Fox News and I'm like Fox News,

1127
00:57:44,119 --> 00:57:48,639
you know news I listened to see.

1128
00:57:48,679 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 4: I listen to everything.

1129
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: Anyway. The point is, the concern is telling you for

1130
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:58,159
anybody that has a kid that that's from thirteen to however,

1131
00:57:58,239 --> 00:58:00,360
you know, we've got adolescents that are thirty five le

1132
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,719
in our home now, God knows it's they just don't.

1133
00:58:04,039 --> 00:58:07,320
They just can't be aware enough of this because it's

1134
00:58:07,639 --> 00:58:08,199
the fentanyl.

1135
00:58:08,239 --> 00:58:10,519
Speaker 4: It's so scary. It's like when I was in the er.

1136
00:58:10,639 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: You give microgram doses like you're setting somebody's broken arm.

1137
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,880
You get you know, I mean they do it in

1138
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:18,239
surgery in the operating room.

1139
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:19,039
Speaker 4: But in the ear.

1140
00:58:19,079 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: If we're going to give somebody a little bit of

1141
00:58:20,519 --> 00:58:23,960
fentanyl set set of fracture or whatever, you've got them

1142
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,159
on a cardiac monitor, you have them on an oxygen

1143
00:58:26,639 --> 00:58:27,760
sensing device.

1144
00:58:28,039 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 4: I mean, you got to nurse there with you.

1145
00:58:29,679 --> 00:58:32,199
Speaker 1: You've got to take a you have to be certified

1146
00:58:32,239 --> 00:58:35,840
to give a little bit. And this stuff is out there.

1147
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:45,159
It's crazy, it's so scary. And then kreatum yeh, there's

1148
00:58:45,199 --> 00:58:47,280
there's just stuff you could buy over the counter. Now

1149
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,400
that's just Gary Cretim. You're familiar with that.

1150
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:53,239
Speaker 5: I've heard of it. I've heard of it.

1151
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 3: But what is that?

1152
00:58:54,679 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: K R A t O M. If it's got an internet,

1153
00:58:58,079 --> 00:59:00,000
it's living free in the head of the internet.

1154
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,599
Speaker 3: So it's a it's a street drug you buy on

1155
00:59:02,639 --> 00:59:04,239
the internet or something well.

1156
00:59:04,159 --> 00:59:08,199
Speaker 1: Creative, Okay, So it's a plant, it's it's a tee

1157
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,280
of powder. It's related to the coffee plant. It comes

1158
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:15,679
from Southeast Asia. But it's just like taking tramadol and

1159
00:59:15,719 --> 00:59:19,440
you can buy it in any headshop. Gas stations, So

1160
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:22,599
it goes to the opiate receptor just like an opiate.

1161
00:59:22,719 --> 00:59:28,159
And it also prevents nourop aeffernin serotonin reuptakes, so like

1162
00:59:28,679 --> 00:59:34,280
Effects or or pristique or or deloxiteam, these antidepressants that

1163
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:39,320
arepinefforti serotonin reuptake inhibitors, it does that. And it's an

1164
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:45,079
opiate agon stimulator. So this stuff is totally legal.

1165
00:59:45,119 --> 00:59:49,679
Speaker 5: You're giving me ideas here, I'm like, no, no.

1166
00:59:49,679 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: But the point is, the reason it's still legal is

1167
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:59,280
because there is a lobby and it's you know, it's

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sort of the the herbal lobby so to speak, that

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01:00:03,519 --> 01:00:06,000
prevents the DEA from scheduling and it's like, well that

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would be you know, that would be racist or whatever.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, but it's.

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Speaker 1: Illegal in the city of San Diego certain states, but

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it's you can. They have a certain they call it

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01:00:18,519 --> 01:00:23,559
oh I perks, and they have certain a certain derivative

1175
01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:28,000
of this stuff they called seven hydroxy mitchro jinan, which

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01:00:28,039 --> 01:00:30,719
is the active opiate part of it that you can get.

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01:00:31,199 --> 01:00:33,039
I mean, I had two people last week, and then

1178
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there's he and neptine.

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01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:36,559
Speaker 4: They call it gas station heroin.

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Speaker 1: UH.

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Speaker 4: And this stuff.

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01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:42,119
Speaker 1: It's it's a weird chemical that's used in Europe as

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01:00:42,159 --> 01:00:44,639
an ani depressant, but at higher doses it's just like

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01:00:44,679 --> 01:00:45,960
an opiate. And you can buy that.

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01:00:46,719 --> 01:00:50,159
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I can't, not for nothing.

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01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,119
Speaker 6: But if you took a little bit of adderall, it

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could help.

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Speaker 3: You.

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Speaker 5: See why he.

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Speaker 3: Has got the nickname of doctor spass me.

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01:01:00,199 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: They prescribed me, yeah, thirty years ago. To prescribe me

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01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,559
at all. It was it was not a good thing

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01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:09,480
for me. So they give it in tiny doses, right, No,

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01:01:09,719 --> 01:01:12,679
just because I'm better off this way. I remember the

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first time I was working, the first time I got adderall,

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01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,079
I sat in the ear and I was like, oh

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01:01:19,119 --> 01:01:22,280
my god, what's the this over here? This over here?

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01:01:22,679 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 4: It was. It was structuring.

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Speaker 1: But we don't like I like.

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01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 4: I like this the way I'm better.

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01:01:30,039 --> 01:01:32,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really because I work with a lot of

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01:01:32,199 --> 01:01:35,840
psychiatrists and addiction medicine and they were like, dude, something

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01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:36,880
you got to get on something.

1204
01:01:37,119 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 4: Stratira gave me headaches. I didn't like that and.

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01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:43,119
Speaker 1: I ended up. You know, obviously I don't take anything.

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01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:45,559
But sometimes people go, well, what do you want, what

1207
01:01:45,599 --> 01:01:48,199
are you taking? I go, yeah, I don't take anything,

1208
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:49,440
and then they.

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01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 3: Go out to your Well, Bruce, you're you're very fascinating

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01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:52,920
to talk to.

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01:01:53,119 --> 01:01:53,719
Speaker 5: Thank you so.

1212
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 3: Much, and you're you're very lovable and we've learned a lot.

1213
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 5: Does he have a Patreon? I know?

1214
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:00,639
Speaker 3: Do you have?

1215
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:01,679
Speaker 5: Do you have a Patreon?

1216
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 6: Told you yesterday that's a private you know, something that

1217
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,320
you could talk about that would get a lot of

1218
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,440
people to sign up to hear your.

1219
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,199
Speaker 3: Extra fifteen to twenty minutes of uh.

1220
01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:17,239
Speaker 5: Content that you wouldn't say on the regular show.

1221
01:02:19,239 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 3: You got any stories from like rock bands back in

1222
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:22,159
the day?

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01:02:22,239 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 1: No, no, all right, Oh, I spent I spent ten

1224
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:29,079
days with Pink Floyd and.

1225
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 4: I got in a lot of trouble.

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01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,159
Speaker 6: That would be an interesting Oh you want to do

1227
01:02:32,199 --> 01:02:32,920
that for Patreon?

1228
01:02:33,639 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 4: What do you Oh?

1229
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: I would do it with you guys.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

1231
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 3: Just is it like a story you can fill fifteen

1232
01:02:39,559 --> 01:02:40,239
twenty minutes?

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01:02:40,719 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 1: Oh sure?

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01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 4: Yeah?

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01:02:42,159 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 6: Okay, all right, stay put stay put okay, hold on,

1236
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:47,119
put them on, put them on pause.

1237
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:49,079
Speaker 4: I need to use the restroom.

1238
01:02:49,159 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 3: Oh ahead, gosh, but Bruce, do you want us to

1239
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:53,360
plug anything or no?

1240
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: No, I don't have anything.

1241
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:55,519
Speaker 3: Okay, go to the restroom.

1242
01:02:58,079 --> 01:03:00,559
Speaker 5: All right, Hey, before we leave you. Guys.

1243
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 6: We have a couple more a couple more shout outs.

1244
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:07,000
We got Lorie Bishop's son's Better Test Prep. It's his

1245
01:03:07,119 --> 01:03:10,239
act guide. Okay, you're gonna want to go to bit

1246
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:15,760
dot l y slash Better test Prep or on Instagram

1247
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:19,159
better dot test dot Prep. Yeah, he's gonna help you

1248
01:03:19,159 --> 01:03:22,800
get like a huge high superscore and that shit is

1249
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,199
coming up in the next few months, so this is

1250
01:03:25,239 --> 01:03:27,599
a good time to get on that. Also, if you

1251
01:03:27,639 --> 01:03:30,079
go to medium dot com, you can read my friend's

1252
01:03:30,199 --> 01:03:35,719
amazing pieces on there. If you go to at Unbecoming Stories,

1253
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:41,840
and I promise you it is like good reading Unbecoming Stories, at.

1254
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,119
Speaker 5: Least go follow her. I'll tell you it's her.

1255
01:03:44,599 --> 01:03:47,679
Speaker 6: Also, if you're looking for a new podcast, The Family Skeptical,

1256
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:51,400
especially after all our talk about God and stuff. This

1257
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:55,639
is for raising kids without religion. Any stripe of non

1258
01:03:55,719 --> 01:03:58,519
believer is welcome to listen to their show, and it's

1259
01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:01,920
only one episode every three weeks. Also, if you want

1260
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:05,880
to grab some yemmy food and you're in the Palm

1261
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:07,519
Springs or Palm Desert.

1262
01:04:07,159 --> 01:04:12,239
Speaker 5: Area, why not go to do yourself a favor, say we.

1263
01:04:12,239 --> 01:04:14,679
Speaker 6: Sent you even though I've been hearing that people are

1264
01:04:14,679 --> 01:04:20,840
getting weird looks, little dog tilted. What but insist? Oh no,

1265
01:04:21,039 --> 01:04:22,119
I'm freaking telling you.

1266
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 5: F C o L check it out. Ask Kelly, ask

1267
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:25,400
for Kelly.

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01:04:25,519 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 1: Do that.

1269
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 6: And every week go to go google Queer Youth Resource.

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01:04:32,159 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 5: Okay, that's our that's our friend.

1271
01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:39,559
Speaker 6: And Laura Wingfield's friend Oscar's charity that he works for,

1272
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:41,320
Queer Youth Resource.

1273
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 5: They need money, they can use help.

1274
01:04:43,679 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 6: They have been having some of their resources cut off

1275
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:48,679
because there's a war against the LGBT right now.

1276
01:04:48,719 --> 01:04:49,679
Speaker 5: So go help them out.

1277
01:04:50,039 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 6: And as always, Adam Lerner, Adam's got a car dot com.

1278
01:04:55,800 --> 01:05:00,840
He's gonna help you, lease, buy by used car, whatever

1279
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,719
you need, he's going to help you. And last but

1280
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:07,000
not least, The Get Up Show. That's a podcast for kids.

1281
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:11,519
They need, they need, that's right, don't ignore the kids.

1282
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:14,679
Give them the Get Up Show. The show for kids

1283
01:05:14,679 --> 01:05:16,679
that gets them from snooze to shoes.

1284
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:17,559
Speaker 5: It's a lot of fun.

1285
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:21,679
Speaker 6: They there's jokes, learning music, all the things that kids

1286
01:05:21,719 --> 01:05:24,800
might enjoy. All right, Thanks everybody, Thanks Cal and thank

1287
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:25,599
you doctor Bruce.

1288
01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:26,679
Speaker 3: Thank you doctor Bruce.

1289
01:05:27,239 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 5: You're a parent.

1290
01:05:28,039 --> 01:05:31,559
Speaker 4: Now nobody can get myself any trouble up.

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01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:36,119
Speaker 2: It's let