Speaker 1: All right, Matt Brown's five year old daughter has given
Speaker 1: us permission to interview him at four o'clock today, a
Speaker 1: little on the other side of four, So bring in
Speaker 1: Matt Pablo mash Drenni, the head coach of RSL. I
Speaker 1: would imagine he's still a little bit salty as a
Speaker 1: result of some calls that continue to go the wrong
Speaker 1: way against RSL. Will join us in about an hour
Speaker 1: from right now, get into the five o'clock hour of
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 2: But let's welcome in a very special guest.
Speaker 1: You know him as the voice of the Bees and
Speaker 1: longtime radio personality in our market, the great Tony Parks
Speaker 1: on a Wednesday TP, Happy Wednesday.
Speaker 2: Ho are we doing?
Speaker 3: I'm doing great man. Mike Toddler is never coming on
Speaker 3: this show. I become more and more afraid over time
Speaker 3: if you were to interview with her, you know what
Speaker 3: she might unveil?
Speaker 4: Are the things that she might say.
Speaker 3: So when I heard about this, I thought, you know what,
Speaker 3: I'm better keep my phone close to me at all
Speaker 3: times when I'm expected to be on the air, because
Speaker 3: I'm not quite sure what would happen.
Speaker 1: I have a though tone. As the young lady grows
Speaker 1: and evolves. If she's anything like either her mother or
Speaker 1: her father, she'll be very willing to express anything that
Speaker 1: she wants to express.
Speaker 2: Is that fair to say?
Speaker 4: Yes? It is.
Speaker 3: She talks with her hands, she loves pasta, and she's
Speaker 3: a fast talker too, very passionate. I don't know where
Speaker 3: she got all this from, but whatever, She's an Italian.
Speaker 5: For sure, and she shows it all the time.
Speaker 3: And she's absolutely wonderful and I couldn't be more in
Speaker 3: love with the experience of having her in our life.
Speaker 2: Love it, buddy.
Speaker 1: All right, Let's start actually with the announcement that was
Speaker 1: made by BYU that young Bear Bachmeyer has won the
Speaker 1: starting job as a freshman. As a true freshman. He
Speaker 1: will be the first true freshman in BYU history to
Speaker 1: start an opener, and he will be the seventh true
Speaker 1: freshman to see action under center for Brigham Young. He
Speaker 1: was with Stanford for springball, didn't land in Provo until
Speaker 1: late July. He's been there like four weeks, five weeks.
Speaker 1: I was on TV with our guy Dave Fox last
Speaker 1: night and he asked me what this says about the
Speaker 1: quarterback room. I don't think it's an indictment on the room.
Speaker 1: I think it's a commentary on the kid, and it's
Speaker 1: pretty impressive that he was the guy that stepped up
Speaker 1: and won the job. Now, whenever you do anything for
Speaker 1: the first time in life or in sports, there's going
Speaker 1: to be growing pains. And as a result, did the
Speaker 1: quarterback change buy use Vegas line has dropped? Their odds
Speaker 1: to compete in league play have dropped as well. We
Speaker 1: know that defensively they're going to be stout because they've
Speaker 1: been since Jay took over down there. But what do
Speaker 1: you make of young bear Bachmeyer winning the starting job
Speaker 1: for BYU?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the question is always going to be
Speaker 3: who gives you the best chance to win going forward? Now,
Speaker 3: I think you make the best comment there. You know,
Speaker 3: everyone wants to say, well, this must be an indictment
Speaker 3: on you know what they really have, This must show
Speaker 3: a lack of depth or a lack of capability.
Speaker 5: Well, we don't really know until live bullets get flying.
Speaker 3: I mean, there was a season where Utah was battling
Speaker 3: back and forth between you know, did they go with
Speaker 3: Travis Wilson or do they go with the Kendall Thompson
Speaker 3: and oh my goodness, and each of them brought something,
Speaker 3: but neither of them was complete right. And then there
Speaker 3: was a season where this guy named Brett Elliott was
Speaker 3: a returning starter and was ready to take over and
Speaker 3: have a great season for Utah, and he was injured
Speaker 3: and everybody thought the season really.
Speaker 4: Might be headed down a downward spiral.
Speaker 3: And then some guy named Alex Smith came in took over,
Speaker 3: and they flourished and they would go on to win.
Speaker 4: The conference and the rest is history.
Speaker 3: So I do understand the true freshman's you neque come
Speaker 3: because it's the first time he's going to be out there,
Speaker 3: he's young, all of that.
Speaker 4: It is not nineteen ninety two anymore.
Speaker 3: We're having a freshman quarterback was just thought of as
Speaker 3: the worst possible situation you could be in. What I
Speaker 3: do know is that when it comes to the way
Speaker 3: that program's going to view it, look, if you're the
Speaker 3: best thing to help us win, you're going to be
Speaker 3: out there, and if you're not, you're not.
Speaker 4: So when there's this.
Speaker 3: Hey, we need patience and baby steps, and let's remember
Speaker 3: how young he is. Sure, if he's the best thing
Speaker 3: to help you win, then and you know what, you're
Speaker 3: going to have him out there and if he's not,
Speaker 3: you're not. So as long as that ends up being
Speaker 3: the case, and it is clear that that is the case,
Speaker 3: they'll continue to have the trust of that locker room.
Speaker 3: And I think Kilani, with his experience, has been tremendous
Speaker 3: at problem solving and making proper adjustments fairly quickly and
Speaker 3: being able to turn the page fast and go a
Speaker 3: different direction if it's not going to work out. What
Speaker 3: I do know is this, when the live bullets get flying,
Speaker 3: that's when we discover so much more about these guys,
Speaker 3: And we're going to find out that much more about him.
Speaker 1: And I will say that I believe Kelanie and a
Speaker 1: Rod have earned the benefit of the doubt. And when
Speaker 1: it comes to the quarterback battles that we've like, Zach
Speaker 1: Wilson didn't automatically have that job. He won the job.
Speaker 1: Jaron Hall won the job. Jake Reetzath a year ago
Speaker 1: won the job. Like they're pretty much three for three
Speaker 1: when it comes to picking the right QB, you know,
Speaker 1: as it pertains to the quarterback battle they found themselves in.
Speaker 1: So it does feel like those guys know what they're doing.
Speaker 1: If I'm a BYU fan, I am putting my faith
Speaker 1: in that staff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would, because the last time I saw a
Speaker 3: job given to someone who I thought had massive question
Speaker 3: marks as to whether or not he was capable and
Speaker 3: kept getting a longer and longer leash was Jay Keaps
Speaker 3: and we.
Speaker 5: All saw how that turned out, and it wasn't good.
Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden.
Speaker 5: They were facing a situation where they had to turn.
Speaker 3: Away from him before they lost the locker room, and
Speaker 3: they were able to salvage the end of the year.
Speaker 3: And by the way, Riley Nelson by no means was
Speaker 3: going to be a Heisman candidate, but they had to
Speaker 3: make that quick decision to go. So this is one
Speaker 3: where I definitely put the trust in that staff. I mean,
Speaker 3: they have a wealth of experience, and I think if
Speaker 3: you look at the historic track record of how long
Speaker 3: it took Kyle Whittingham to eventually get exactly what he
Speaker 3: want established and have the culture of the way he
Speaker 3: wants and the decision making process, everything that goes into it,
Speaker 3: and the trust of an entire program and fan base.
Speaker 3: If you look at the way it worked for Kyle,
Speaker 3: it's actually been similar in the timeline I think for
Speaker 3: Kilanie and now he has really solidified so much of
Speaker 3: what he wants and how he wants to do things
Speaker 3: perfect of course, but I really like the roots that
Speaker 3: he's built there, the trust that he's built there, and
Speaker 3: now going forward when it comes to decisions. You know,
Speaker 3: anytime Kyle's been wrong about something, redirects quickly and then
Speaker 3: you see them start to.
Speaker 4: Move back upward.
Speaker 3: I think it would be the same case here if they,
Speaker 3: let's say, missed on Bear as your starting line or
Speaker 3: starting quarterback.
Speaker 1: The other piece of news that was announced yesterday and
Speaker 1: it's been it's been kind of interesting. We actually just
Speaker 1: played the sound from Jason Beck, offensive coordinator for the You.
Speaker 1: So Coach Wick comes out and announces that Isaac Wilson
Speaker 1: is QB two and then Jason is like.
Speaker 2: Well, it's more like two A two B.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that messaging is to You've got
Speaker 1: to be careful in this day and age with these athletes.
Speaker 1: If you you know, if a race is decided and
Speaker 1: a young man is not happy that he's suddenly QB three,
Speaker 1: maybe he's inclined to find somewhere else to play. So
Speaker 1: maybe that's making Bird feel better about it. But you know,
Speaker 1: according to coach wit and he's dead, coach, We'll go
Speaker 1: with him. Isaac Wilson will be the backup to Devin
Speaker 1: Dampier and ton. I suppose the blessing in disguise a
Speaker 1: year ago with Cameron's inability to stay healthy is now
Speaker 1: Utah's backup quarterback is one with one year of legitimate
Speaker 1: Big twelve experience center's belt. What do you make then,
Speaker 1: announcement that Isaac is the backup?
Speaker 3: Well, Isaac being the backup I don't think is a
Speaker 3: bad thing at all. The other part about that, as
Speaker 3: you talk about his experience and all of that, is
Speaker 3: when you go to a two B and.
Speaker 5: People are like, wow, that's kind of interesting.
Speaker 3: I actually think it's important to always keep as many
Speaker 3: people believing they are one play away as many as possible,
Speaker 3: because if you make them believe, well, you're so far
Speaker 3: down the depth chart that there's a real unlikelihood that
Speaker 3: this is going to happen, then not only could you
Speaker 3: lose them from the program, you could lose them from,
Speaker 3: let's say, just being as engaged as they need to
Speaker 3: be day to day, having some of the investment that
Speaker 3: you need from a guy.
Speaker 4: That is very unlikely to play.
Speaker 3: Clearly there's a two and a three, there is a
Speaker 3: two and a three, two a two B. I would
Speaker 3: I would bet my money that that is unlikely. But
Speaker 3: it's very important that a player believes that, understands and
Speaker 3: perceives they are one play away. You need them to
Speaker 3: keep competing because the moment that you draw up a
Speaker 3: hierarchy and someone believes they're too far down, or someone
Speaker 3: believes that the likelihood of getting on the field is
Speaker 3: too little one either, you need to be honest with
Speaker 3: them and tell them that so they leave and you
Speaker 3: don't want them there. I've seen coaches who have to
Speaker 3: do that, and now is not the time for that.
Speaker 3: By the way, you're getting ready for your season, so
Speaker 3: this is a this is an off season part that
Speaker 3: you would do it that way, but the current situation, no.
Speaker 3: You want guys believing you know what, you are one
Speaker 3: play away and you can contend and compete to win
Speaker 3: the number two spot, and you could still win the
Speaker 3: number one spot. Remember this is these jobs are never
Speaker 3: completely solid. If you are the better option and you
Speaker 3: start showing things that help us believe you know what,
Speaker 3: this is actually going to win us games more than that,
Speaker 3: then you're going to find yourself on the field and
Speaker 3: staying on the field. And so it goes back to
Speaker 3: the the you know, the h Alex Smith Colin Kaepernick thing,
Speaker 3: which I know is so conscient versual last decade, But
Speaker 3: the point was Kaepernick was one play away, and then
Speaker 3: when Kaepernick got on the field, the forty nine ers
Speaker 3: had to realize, wait, this guy right now gives us
Speaker 3: the best chance to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: And we are appreciative of.
Speaker 3: What Alex has done, and it's not that we're lacking
Speaker 3: appreciation for that, but this guy can actually give us
Speaker 3: a better chance to do it. They played the odds,
Speaker 3: they were six yards away. So you'll get your chance
Speaker 3: with several reps. And this is going to continue to
Speaker 3: evall because you're dealing with young players and some that
Speaker 3: are unproven still and some that have shown some flashes
Speaker 3: and still have not been able to show that dynamic,
Speaker 3: high level consistently.
Speaker 4: Well, this is your chance to continue to show us
Speaker 4: that each and every day.
Speaker 3: So two A two B is you need to keep
Speaker 3: them hungry to believe each one of them that they
Speaker 3: are one play away from being.
Speaker 4: On the field.
Speaker 1: I've been asking all my guests this this week as
Speaker 1: We're ten days away from the first game for Utah.
Speaker 1: They're at the Rose Bowl against UCLA. They're six point
Speaker 1: five point favorite, and I kind of like this opener.
Speaker 1: I actually I like the opener for BYU in a
Speaker 1: different way. I think it's good that Bear will have
Speaker 1: a soft opponent to kind of land. I'm not a
Speaker 1: huge fan of the FBSFCS thing. I think at some
Speaker 1: point it will go away. But with it being the
Speaker 1: reality of breaking in a freshman quarterback, you might as
Speaker 1: well do it in provo against Portland State.
Speaker 2: And I like that.
Speaker 1: We'll see Devin on the road against a P four
Speaker 1: team and one of college football's most historic venues. But
Speaker 1: when they're on the plane flying home from LA after
Speaker 1: playing UCLA, what does success look like for you?
Speaker 2: Game one for the Utes.
Speaker 3: There's a clear indication this offense can work in sync
Speaker 3: and that it can be reliable over four quarters. Like,
Speaker 3: you can't just come in with a game plan that
Speaker 3: starts really well and then you're three and outing your
Speaker 3: way out and hoping your defense can save you and
Speaker 3: clinging to a seventeen fourteen win.
Speaker 4: Now, I'm not saying you don't turn.
Speaker 3: Down a win, but in order for you to get
Speaker 3: on that plane heading back to Salt Lake and feel like,
Speaker 3: you know what, we got something here that can travel
Speaker 3: the rest of the season.
Speaker 5: I want to see an offense that can really work
Speaker 5: in sync.
Speaker 3: Thing that I really wish for you fans that they
Speaker 3: could see with that team is a group of receivers
Speaker 3: that can be very dependable to make high level plays consistently,
Speaker 3: to make the tough catch Lakisi at times, to be
Speaker 3: able to just go up and win a ball more
Speaker 3: often when a quarterback needs to just kind of put
Speaker 3: it in a spot and depend on his guy to
Speaker 3: go win.
Speaker 5: Utah has not been able to have that consistently.
Speaker 3: They've had a guy here, or a player who has
Speaker 3: a particular skill, such as you know, a guy with speed,
Speaker 3: or a guy's got good hands but not a great
Speaker 3: route runner. It always feels like they have one, but
Speaker 3: they're always missing the other. And I would love to
Speaker 3: see a corp of receivers that they can.
Speaker 4: Depend on more and more. Balance.
Speaker 3: I don't think is going to necessarily be a must,
Speaker 3: but you have to be able to have a threat
Speaker 3: for these things rather than a defense saying okay, this
Speaker 3: is all we have to do and we can simplify
Speaker 3: our plan once we figure out what their original game
Speaker 3: plan is.
Speaker 4: I want to.
Speaker 3: See a group that can go out and beat people
Speaker 3: just simply by being better players. And so last year,
Speaker 3: like the BAU game, always jumps out to me because
Speaker 3: I love that game plan.
Speaker 4: I love the way they executed.
Speaker 3: The physicality was tremendous, and Utah obviously hangs their hat
Speaker 3: on that.
Speaker 4: But the second half.
Speaker 3: It was very early. You're looking at it going they're
Speaker 3: not going to score. I mean they had field position
Speaker 3: for days, couldn't move. I mean they their defense was
Speaker 3: given them opportunity after opportunity, and they couldn't convert even
Speaker 3: with a field goal. So I don't want to see
Speaker 3: them backing their way into a win and then coming
Speaker 3: out of it going, well, a win's win and one
Speaker 3: to zero and you never turn out to victory and
Speaker 3: oh they got some things to clean up.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no no.
Speaker 3: I want to see something that shows me with a
Speaker 3: guy like Devin stepping in winning a job like that
Speaker 3: where you fans have been hoping to see a guy
Speaker 3: who can go out and be a dynamic playmaker like
Speaker 3: they had, you know a few years ago when healthy
Speaker 3: and then say, okay, now, if you take this away,
Speaker 3: we can be great here, or if this isn't quite
Speaker 3: running the way we need, we can always go back
Speaker 3: to this rather than well, if we're not winning first
Speaker 3: down with the run, we're in trouble and trying to
Speaker 3: find a way to you know, kind of like twenty fourteen,
Speaker 3: where you're just trying to find a way to eke
Speaker 3: out a nineteen sixteen victory.
Speaker 4: That's just not going to give.
Speaker 3: Anybody a good feeling going forward about what is a
Speaker 3: very difficult conference to play in that is so unpredictable.
Speaker 1: You referenced the balance and look, man, you've known me
Speaker 1: for a long time. I'm just a natural cynic for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, and I'm usually more skeptical than I am
Speaker 1: accepting just audacious expectations based off of no data or proof.
Speaker 2: So I lean into what I feel like. I know.
Speaker 1: I mean, back when like Al Jefferson was here, it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're going to call it the Wheezy and he's going
Speaker 1: to be twenty and ten, Like, no, well he's.
Speaker 2: Not very good.
Speaker 1: If this team is not going to be very good,
Speaker 1: And you know, when it comes to just Homer Broadcast
Speaker 1: and Homer media.
Speaker 2: I'm not into it.
Speaker 1: So I just don't know enough about the weapons on
Speaker 1: the outside for Utah right now. I don't know enough
Speaker 1: about the wide receiver room. Even if the Zach Williams
Speaker 1: kid didn't transfer. I mean, he didn't have a ton
Speaker 1: of experience.
Speaker 2: Here's what we know.
Speaker 1: Oh and I'll speak for myself, here's what I feel like.
Speaker 1: I know they've got two running backs they like, they've
Speaker 1: got a run it. They've got a quarterback that can really.
Speaker 2: Rush the football.
Speaker 1: They've got potentially the best offensive line in the country,
Speaker 1: not just the Big twelve. They have a head coach
Speaker 1: that just abhorrors not taking care of the football. Part
Speaker 1: of me feels like this is a rush heavy attack
Speaker 1: and we are going to see a lot of like
Speaker 1: seventeen fourteen or twenty to fourteen hopefully wins for Utah
Speaker 1: football this year.
Speaker 2: Nothing wrong with that, But as far as.
Speaker 1: Just generally speaking, when it comes to the balance between
Speaker 1: the run game and the throw game, how do you
Speaker 1: think that will look for Utap football this year?
Speaker 4: If it's heavy run.
Speaker 3: Because you're incapable of passing, and then you have to
Speaker 3: do it like you did, say in twenty fourteen, which
Speaker 3: I'm not bashing that twenty fourteen team, and that was
Speaker 3: the first one in the Pac twelve area era to
Speaker 3: kind of emerge and start to win at a higher clip.
Speaker 4: You cannot save your way to wealth.
Speaker 3: You must be the one that ends up being a
Speaker 3: little more aggressive, or is it the threat to be
Speaker 3: more or aggressive? So the twenty fourteen team, it was,
Speaker 3: I remember coming out of their game against USC thinking,
Speaker 3: you can't keep winning like this, Like you just can't
Speaker 3: keep like you can't have a wide receiver drop a
Speaker 3: backwards pass and stare at the football on the ground.
Speaker 5: I think it was or Fe who picked it up
Speaker 5: and ran it back.
Speaker 3: While nobody even knew what was going on, and takes
Speaker 3: it back for a touchdown.
Speaker 5: Utah I think had one good offensive drive.
Speaker 4: It just happened to be the game winning drive.
Speaker 3: And everyone's like, but they're in contention, and it's like
Speaker 3: they can't keep winning like this, Like in this league,
Speaker 3: you're just not going to survive that way. If you
Speaker 3: want to talk about a championship aspiration, if you want
Speaker 3: to talk about playoff threat.
Speaker 5: Those kinds of things, you won't get there.
Speaker 3: Then the twenty eighteen team, they lost a couple of
Speaker 3: conference games early, and when they started playing their best balls,
Speaker 3: they lost one conference game the rest of the way out.
Speaker 3: This is the part I'm getting into.
Speaker 5: They were not balanced.
Speaker 3: They were like sixty four percent runs something like that.
Speaker 3: The difference was Huntley was now a much bigger threat
Speaker 3: to throw effectively. The team showed the capability to throw
Speaker 3: at a much more efficient level.
Speaker 4: And so the defenses, even though Utah would.
Speaker 3: Say take off with Huntley or go to their run
Speaker 3: game because they knew you could, it actually helped open
Speaker 3: up even more run opportunities. So balance may not need
Speaker 3: to be there. The balance of what is a realistic threat.
Speaker 3: Those two things must happen, because if they get to
Speaker 3: the point that they know that you are not dependable
Speaker 3: enough in the throw game, that they can absolutely load
Speaker 3: the box and that if they play the odds right,
Speaker 3: you're just not going to be able to put up
Speaker 3: enough offense, and if they take care of the ball,
Speaker 3: they'll eventually prevail. I mean, you can still find a
Speaker 3: way to win some games, as Kyle has been able
Speaker 3: to do that with field position and just playing great
Speaker 3: defense and.
Speaker 4: Making the timely plays, but you won't get to the
Speaker 4: elite levels.
Speaker 3: You'll just have a nice season. You'll have a nice season.
Speaker 3: So when people look back at some of those Novembers
Speaker 3: when they used to say, boy, the uts they just
Speaker 3: can't figure it out in November, well that's because they
Speaker 3: kept trying to with a situation where you know, they
Speaker 3: everybody knew that their ability to throw the football was
Speaker 3: not a real threat, or it wasn't a consistent threat.
Speaker 3: Just don't get beat on a massive, big play and
Speaker 3: you're fine because eventually the quarterback, as I remember, Wilson
Speaker 3: at one point had a I think an interception every
Speaker 3: nine attempts through pac twelve play in one of those
Speaker 3: years because they knew at some point a big mistake
Speaker 3: was going to be made, and so it was worth
Speaker 3: the risk to just not get beat deep, keep it
Speaker 3: in front of you, wait for him to.
Speaker 4: Make a mistake.
Speaker 3: You can't play it. You can't be great like that.
Speaker 3: So that's what I'm curious about with Utah. Even after
Speaker 3: the first game, do teams now have to legitimately respect
Speaker 3: your ability to throw the football and hurt you in
Speaker 3: all different facets of the pass game? And if they
Speaker 3: throw for you know, some great number, but we're talking
Speaker 3: screen passes that took off for a big gain, or
Speaker 3: somebody got out of their alignment on a wheel route,
Speaker 3: you know, in coverage, and it was a busted coverage
Speaker 3: and an easy throw. That's not the same thing as Hey,
Speaker 3: if you don't make sure you cover this guy, it
Speaker 3: sis over the top every time. And if you don't
Speaker 3: have your eyes in the right place, this guy's gonna
Speaker 3: beat you. Across the field, get to the sideline, and
Speaker 3: it's going to be thirty five yards.
Speaker 4: I want to see if u Tak actually has that threat.
Speaker 3: Because that, I think is going to tell me a
Speaker 3: lot as to whether or not this is going to
Speaker 3: be a season of improvement or a season of being
Speaker 3: a true threat to become elite.
Speaker 1: I tell him before I say you lose, give me
Speaker 1: the latest with the Bees. What's going on with our
Speaker 1: local baseball team?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Man at home here tonight getting ready for the game
Speaker 3: against the Reno Aces, the Diamondback's affiliate.
Speaker 4: And then after this week.
Speaker 3: We have two weeks left in the season in terms
Speaker 3: of home games, a twelve gamer there in September. Take
Speaker 3: advantage of the great September weather by coming out to
Speaker 3: some games. Those nights are going to be beautiful so
Speaker 3: if you haven't joined us, make sure to come on out,
Speaker 3: and if you have joined us, join us one last time.
Speaker 3: Saturday Night is a big night. That's this upcoming Saturday,
Speaker 3: the twenty third, we have Princess Night, so make sure
Speaker 3: to join us here. Kids get to run around the
Speaker 3: bases after the game, and do not forget that we'll
Speaker 3: have the Princesses here with a princess themed drome show.
Speaker 3: All of that more so, great theme nights, great fun
Speaker 3: and tickets on Sunday.
Speaker 4: Or five bucks getting wile they last. So hope to
Speaker 4: see you out here.
Speaker 2: Good stuff, Ton, Thanks for the time, buddy. I have
Speaker 2: a good week with chat too.
Speaker 4: Appreciate you. Thanks man to the