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In yeah, now, before we get into our enlightened recap,

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welcome to platfil b. Just I do have to ask you.

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Did you have any takeaways?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Uh Lydia and Zach suck donkey ball like period

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suck at the end of story, so self righteous, haughty. Yeah,

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I'm like, fuck y'all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, unless we're being fed a line, unless production is

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just trying to frame it a certain way, I don't

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know either. We'll talk about it when we get there.

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My takeaway is like I'm just gonna warn you, especially

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all of you who are like hyper triggered by anything

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plathfll like myself, but I had so much sympathy for

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Kim Plath me too in this episode and realize that

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she's kind of been behind the scenes and like figuring

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out storylines and making sure the family talks about specific things.

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It's interesting to me, Beatrice that she is deciding to

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have this be one of her storylines. Yeah, it's either

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because she's trying to create riveting television for the rest

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of us, and or like she feels it in her

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soul that it's time to put this out there because

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it has been discussed before, Joshua, what has happened everything

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in the family, it's been discussed before. She's been very

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tight lipped, but maybe now she's feeling ready to articulate

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a little bit of Yeah, she's feeling around it, and

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just as she did, I felt her me too, as

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a human, as a mom. I didn't think that it

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was fake. And so I just want to warn you,

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I'm going to have some compassion and sympathy for Complath

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in this episode. I mean, I've still got eyes though

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I understand a lot of it is dysfunctional. But that's

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what I'm going to be bringing to this rec.

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Speaker 2: App fair, Okay, I agree.

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Speaker 1: Well, without further a Joe, let's get into the recap

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of Welcome to Plathfell Season eight, eight, episode ten in tutututute.

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Speaker 2: Where the rubber meets the road. Okay, don't know what

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that means?

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Speaker 1: Well, whatever, I think it's time to get serious.

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Speaker 2: I guess.

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Speaker 1: I think that's what that means. I guess.

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Speaker 2: So we start the episode at Barry's house because he's

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getting ready to go on a blind date. Yeah, and

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it's kind of funny. He's kind of a total goofball

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and he is talking about how he's a little bit

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nervous because he hasn't been dating in over twenty seven years.

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The last time he did was Kim Blath, so it's

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kind of a big deal. And he's talking about like

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what he looks for in a woman. He loves a

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biblical mystery, whatever that means. And he's like, you know

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how many women have read the Book of Enoch? Probably zero?

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You're Barry Plath's.

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Speaker 1: The Book of Enoch in this bookshelf right over here.

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Speaker 2: That's so funny.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just ordered a t shirt stop with

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Sasquatch playing praying the Rosary.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome.

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Speaker 1: I love it. So I'm a believer.

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Speaker 2: You're totally yeah, Barry Plath Stream Girl. And then Barry

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has this like little dorky segment where the producers are

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asking him what his best pickup lines are, and you

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can tell Barry has been laughing so hard that he's

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got tears in his eyes, and so he's giving these

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dumb ass pickup lines like oh, your hair's flowing, and

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then he does his daffy duck impression and I don't know,

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I know you probably were cringing, but I was laughing.

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I thought it was adorable. I think he's such a goofball.

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I know some people are really weirded out by him,

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but I'm just like, he's just a bald c three

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po like it's fine humor. And then Barry also talks

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about like what he would do in terms of physical

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intimacy now that he's a bachelor, and he says that

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him and Kim actually didn't kiss until they were married,

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but now you know, he's loosened up the rules and

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he doesn't matter a little smooch in. But he's not

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gonna smooch on the first date. That's his hard line,

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I guess. And he's also knuck of fuck until he

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gets married again.

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Speaker 1: That's just a wowser to me.

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Speaker 2: That's crazy, especially at his big age.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, why, you're fifty seven years old, and I

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understand honoring the sanctity of marriage, and I also understand

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that you weren't the one to totally detonate your relationship.

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That was kim Plath, and in your own way, you

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were honoring your partnership with her. But like, Yollo, don't

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you want to sample the wearers, sample the goods before

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you lock it down again? No?

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Speaker 2: For real? And like, I don't know, you're older. It's like,

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wouldn't you want to make sure it works well?

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Speaker 1: Make hay while the sun is shining or whatever that's saying, Yes,

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I do it while you can because you're quickly approaching

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the event of complete and total impotence. So like, get

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out there and get it, hud.

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Speaker 2: No for real, Yola, It's fine. Yeah, I'm sure God's

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gonna understand.

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Speaker 1: Yet God don't care at all.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, he's picking out his outfit. He's gonna go

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with a T shirt that shows off his big old muscles.

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Speaker 1: He looked kind of good.

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Speaker 2: I know, he's got like a nice build on my okay,

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mister plaith Daddy. And so then we shift gears and

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we go back to the car ride home from Wisconsin.

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We have Kim and Lydia still in the car and

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we're continuing their discussion from last week, where Kim tells

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Lydia that she heard her and Zach are telling people

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how to live their lives and what music to listen

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to and not to drink alcohol, and what games to

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play and what TV shows to watch that will honor God.

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And Kim is just, you know, kind of lightly confronting

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Lydia about this. She does tell Lydia like, you know,

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I'm not trying to start anything. People are calling me

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up and telling me about this, so I'm just going

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to address it with you. And in the car, Lydia

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totally tries to deny this and be like, no, wasn't

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like that. But then on the couch, like when she's

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talking to the camera, she does admit to how when

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they were in Montana, Mariah had a bunch of alcohol

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in front of Amber, who is a minor and that's inappropriate.

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And then they were playing a card game that was

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inappropriate that Lydia would never be comfortable playing, and when

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they were watching TV, there was an episode of something

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that had more f bombs in it than Lydia hears

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at work every day, and she just felt very like

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offended and uncomfortable by that because she didn't feel like

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they considered her feelings or Zach's feelings, and that was

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why she felt justified to confront them about that.

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Speaker 1: But it wasn't her that fronted it was Zach.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: It's one thing. If my brother tells me I'm acting

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a fool, sure maybe I should do something a little

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bit differently because I grew up with that dude. But

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to have your freshly wed husband of six months sit

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down your sisters and start lecturing them about what they

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should watch and consume, et cetera, is wild. And at

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the same time, Kim, this is the child that you raised,

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and she's parroting the system that you indoctrinated her into.

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The decisions and the choices and the moral superiority she's

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now demonstrating come entirely from you and from Barry. And

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while yes, Kim, you've obviously changed the way that you

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live your life like you've got a different perspective. You're

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now a drunken adulteresss living with a one eyed racist

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in your farmhouse. Like, yes, that's all true, But at

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the same time, like, you can't judge Lydia for judging

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others when you raised her to judge.

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Speaker 2: People, right, Yeah, And I will say I did love that.

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Kim actually expressed this, like later in the episode, she

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made a comment about how she sees so much of herself,

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her younger self in Lydia because she was definitely like

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this and she was judging other people and she was

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very like heavy in their religion. And now it's you know,

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she talks to God as a friend, and now she's

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just like it's fine, I've mellowed out, I've aged a

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little bit, like I've chilled you know. So I think

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Kim is in a weird spot because she did raise

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Lydia to be this way and then she blew the

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family up, and she's definitely learned her lessons and some

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of her lessons and she's chilled out with age in

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terms of like the religious structure and stuff like that.

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But like, how do you confront that with your kid

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who's now married to an ultra religious judgmental now with

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a baby doll mouth, Like, how do you confront that?

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You know, you can't really she doesn't really have a

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place to say to day now at this point, and

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so I think Kim is kind of in a weird spot,

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you know. I think, like I understand the family judging

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Lydia harshly for this, because it's like, why are you

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letting your husband lecture everybody else in the family, like

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the audacity. It's not like Zach has been married in

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this family for ten years and like has more of

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a place in the family as a as an established member.

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He's literally been there for like five days, right, Like

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what the hell?

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Speaker 1: Honestly, I think the only person who could check Lydia

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in this moment because she does need to be checked. Yes,

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Like that attitude is wrong. It's also anti Christ, no

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matter what you have to say, especially those people out there,

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was like, well, where's supposed to judge the character? Okay,

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it's Antichrist though Christ said it, and Isaac actually quotes

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the scripture that I love to quote as well. But like,

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the person who could check Lydia is Barry. Yeah, because

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Lydia has a lot of love and affection and respect

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for her father, who I also think she feels Kim

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unfairly destroyed. I agree, So she loves Barry and Barry

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is also a Christian and he holds his values firm.

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But if Barry was the one who said, you know what, Liddy,

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you shouldn't be doing this. You shouldn't be saying this

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to your sister, you shouldn't allow your husband to be

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saying these things to your family. I think that would

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go a long way with her totally. But I don't

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think Barry's going to because later in this episode, when

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they're talking about Ethan Kim and Barry, Barry's like, yeah,

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I really don't know how to help him or what

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to do.

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Speaker 3: Then find the resources, Barry, No, yeah, somebody go to

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therapy yourself, Like what can you do to be proactive

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to help your tomato faced son and your dysfunctional children.

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It's like he's just given up.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, Barry would have so much power over the kids, Yes,

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if he actually established himself as the patriarch, as the father,

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because I do think that the kids were raised to

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respect that. But Barry really is and I've said this before.

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He's such a fucking passive parent, Like he literally just

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takes a backseat to fucking everything. He would rather be

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the kind, loving parent, the Disney dad, the Disney dad

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in the background, never punishing them, never giving them any

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kind of criticism, and just being there. Then actually being

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a role model and a parental figure and a figure

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that can guide them in a good, healthy direction. Like

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he's just sitting there back.

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Speaker 1: There working and he's letting Kim take the majority of

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the heat for all the mistakes that they both made, right.

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Speaker 2: Which is messed up, it is, honestly. So we end

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this segment with Kim and Lydia where Lydia says to

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the camera, you know, she just feels really misunderstood and

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she doesn't feel like her family considers her, you know.

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And that's why she brought up the things in Montana

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that bothered her, and that's why Zach talked about it,

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because you know, they just don't feel missed, they just

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don't feel understood. And I'm just like, girl, get out

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of here. I have so much shit to say it

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about that, But we'll get to it when we get

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to the conversation with Isaac and Ethan and Kim. Later

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in the episode, we go back over to Florida with

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Barry going on as blind date. He meets up with

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this petite blonde woman who's kidny and she's forty six?

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Speaker 1: Is she?

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Speaker 2: She says, she's forty six. I think she's I thought

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she looked fine. Oh I'm not gonna.

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Speaker 1: Be not a question about whether she looks fine or not.

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She looks great, but forty six.

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Speaker 2: Are we age shaming? Now?

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Speaker 1: We are because all of Reddit is doing it as well.

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Nobody believes her. But I just feel like, just own

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your age. Honey. You're definitely in your fifties. But like,

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who am I to talk? Yeah, but like when I

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was at age, I was hot. Oh I was really,

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I really was so hot. I'm just like, honey, it's

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okay to be in your fifties.

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Speaker 2: I thought she looked pretty, Okay, all right, I thought

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she looked pretty.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying she didn't look forty six because I

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remember forty six and all that I had going on

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to Nah, God, I do like it was your look.

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Speaker 2: Everybody ages stifferently, and it's all stopped from everyone's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: This is the way they are.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So anyway, she's forty six, she says, and she's blonde, petit,

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and Barry says she's a nice or says she's a

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pretty little thing, something like that, something like that. Barry

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is obviously physically attracted to her, and he's excited about

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this state, and it seems like this chick, her name's Jonah,

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is also attracted to Barry shockingly, which I kind of

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loved it. I was like, oh, that's kind of cute.

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They're totally awkward. Barry is such an awkward goober. I mean,

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he's such a goober. And I didn't realize he was

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fifty seven.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought he.

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Speaker 2: Was younger for some reason. So I'm like, hey, okay,

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he's my age.

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Speaker 1: Yeah I'm fifty eight and I just turned fifty eight,

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but like he's literally my age. Yeah, well thank you.

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But I mean, yeah, he's actually like Cody Brown. Yeah,

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he's actually working out and he's trying to be physically fit,

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and I think it shows.

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Speaker 2: It looks good on him totally, and Jonah seems totally

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into him. They're maintaining eye contact the whole time, and

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she's given him a little bedroom.

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Speaker 1: Mind little gaga.

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Speaker 2: She's like I like, your daddy muscles. Do you lift?

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Do you work out? And Barry's like, yeah, I do.

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Do you work out? I go to the gym five

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times a week And Barry's instantly hard and he's like,

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oh my god, it's.

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Speaker 1: Got that kind of time to go five times a

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week with a job. I know it.

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Speaker 2: She's a realtor, she's a mom of four kids. Yeah,

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I'm like, okay. Barry's totally into her, and they have

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like a nice conversation or whatever. They seem to hit

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it off. You know, he talks about his kids because

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Jonah did her research before coming on the date, so

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she knows about them stuff. And she's like, how many

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kids do you have? As if I don't know, and

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Barry says something weird. He's like, well, I have a

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lot of kids, but it's not in the double digits,

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but it's right there before double digits. So I've got

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nine kids.

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Speaker 1: Okay. That disturbed me, right, because Joshua was and is

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your child exactly, So why wouldn't you say I have

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ten kids? One of them passed away, but ten kids.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I was trying to give him the

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benefit of the doubt here because I'm like, maybe this

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is just something that they've all just rehearsed throughout the

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years of maybe this is how Kim wanted to cope.

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Speaker 1: With everything, which it is not to have to talk

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about it.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, to just be like, we have nine kids and

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that's shitty obviously, but like you know, given the tragic

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circumstances and stuff. I was just thinking like maybe that's

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how they maybe that's how they kind of address it

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talk about it. But anyway, So Jonah, she's in a

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Barry Berry's into Jonah. She he says that she's her type,

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and she asks him, you know, what are you looking

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for in a woman? He's like someone adventurous and someone

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who likes to travel and who's fun and outgoing. And

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she's like, oh, like me eh and he's like yeah.

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And then he asks her out on another date, and

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she's hoping that he'll kiss her. He doesn't. He gives

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her a nice long hug. He knows that she would

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be into making out with him, but he's like, I

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gotta save myself, stop it. The next date, he's like,

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I want the producers to leave so that way I

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can take her out to dinner and make out. With

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her or something, and so it looks like they're gonna

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have another date.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see how far this goes.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I would love for Barry to have a new girlfriend,

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and I would love for Kim to be jealous about it.

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Speaker 1: I would love it if she's a hot, little chippy,

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athletic and fun.

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Speaker 2: Totally and look like we're gonna give Kim a lot

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of grace in this episode. But I was watching this

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date with Barry thinking Kim's gonna be so mad. It's

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gonna be so mad watching this bad.

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Speaker 1: I think she cares, yeah Barry and who he's dating,

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If she's so over him.

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Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think there's somewhere deep down

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where she's gonna be bitter because he keeps talking about

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wanting petite.

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Speaker 1: Yes fit that I think is gonna pay her off.

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But I don't think she's like coming from a jealous

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place or like not wanting him to be with somebody else.

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I don't think she necessarily cares about that.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if she's gonna be bitter though, if he

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ends up with somebody attractive and young, because she's gonna

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be like, what the fuck I left you? Though? You

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know what I mean. It's kind of like that idea

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of like, I left you, so you're supposed to be unhappy.

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Speaker 1: And then what if Ken actually leave? Oh my god,

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because she doesn't lose one hundred pounds or whatever he

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wants her to do, takes his jukebox and he goes

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and lives somewhere else, and then Kim, what are you

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gonna do?

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Speaker 2: Ken goes and takes his juke bus to the assisted

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living facility. It's eighties rock night, guys, let's party, Let's

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play shuffleboard and be racist together. God, oh my god,

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be terrible. So anyway, after the date, then we have

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Barry going over to the farmhouse to talk with Kim,

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and he's also bringing back the juicer, okay, which is

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so stupid, and they kind of laugh about it, almost

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like this was a dumb storyline, like why were we

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even talking about the juicer?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: But he goes over there to talk with Kim about

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her trip to Wisconsin, like that's pretty much the purpose

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of it. And he gets there and her house is

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a fucking mess.

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Speaker 1: It really was, Beatrice. I was kind of shocked, Yeah,

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what's going on? And this I think is further evidence

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that Kim at this time in her life might actually

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be falling apart a little bit. Yeah, but because she

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ran like a much tighter ship before in the farmhouse,

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and so it's either her falling apart or this is

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how Ken lives and like this is just what they do.

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But like, clean your shit up. You've got three little

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girls that live there.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I was alarmed.

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Speaker 2: It was a mess, and I don't know, people have

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made some inappropriate comments on Reddit about Kim and her

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drinking habits and stuff, and I was just like looking

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at all this and I'm like, this is kind of

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screaming a little bit, like you're an alcoholic and like

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you're just like lazy and just drinking all day. And

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again that is further evidence of her life falling apart

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and her breaking a bit, because you know, you can

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only bottle up all of that trauma and all of

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that bullshit for so long. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But if I know a camera crew is going to

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be inside of my house when I tell you, I'm

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going to be furiously cleaning for an entire week before

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they get their deep cleaning, Everything's going to be exactly

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where it's supposed to be. Like, I can't fathom a

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world where I would let a camera crew pick up

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such a mess. It's not horder levels, but it's definitely

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like I don't give a shit level totally friendliness.

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Speaker 2: And I'm wondering if it is Ken influenced. Yeah, because

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Kim wasn't a dirty little grub even when she divorced

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Barry and was in her ballet studio, like, it was

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nice and it was clean. Yeah, but maybe it's all

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Ken's bullshit because he's an old Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But when we went to his house in the last

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season when she had her boat and she'd go over

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to his house to get drunken fuck like, it seemed

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to be clean and fairly minimal in terms of decoration.

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So like, I just don't know where this is coming from,

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but it looked abysmal.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty concerning, and honestly, like, I wonder what Barry

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thinks about all of it. But maybe he's just like.

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Speaker 1: I dodged a bullet glad to be.

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Speaker 2: Rid of her. You know, he's just got back from

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his date with Jonah, so he's just like whatever, I

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don't care, here's your juicer back. But when they sit

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down to talk, Kim tells him about her trip to Wisconsin.

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She talks about Ethan first, and you know, she asks Perry, like,

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do you know how Ethan and Teagan broke up? And

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of course Barry's like no, because I'm an absent father,

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and she tells him what happened. We all know Tea

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went to surprise Eathan for his birthday, drove five hours

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or whatever to Minnesota. She shows up. Something happened where

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Ethan got triggered and saw Olivia and Teagan, and then

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he sped off in his old man car, turned off

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his phone, and we hear from Kim he was gone

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for twelve hours, twelve hour, twelve hours with no ability

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to contact him. Phone off, phone off, and apparently Teagan

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was driving around looking for him and couldn't find him. Yeah,

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and she spent several hours trying to find him, and

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then ultimately was like, Okay, I guess I'm gonna go

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back to Wisconsin. So she drove all the way back

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and then called him the next day to break up

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with him. That was crazy, insane.

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Speaker 1: I thought I was just picturing Ethan maybe driving off

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for a couple of hours. Yeah, which is already kind

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of awkward because Teagan doesn't necessarily know your grandparents, so

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she's at your grandparents' farm and what she's supposed to do.

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But twelve hours, that's great, Like did she have to

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have dinner with that? And then did she sleep there

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that night? Just trying to text you and follow your

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location or whatever, Like that's just insanity to me, Ethan,

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you deserve everything that you get. Yeah, when Teagan ultimately

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dumps your ass, which we all know that she does,

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I think because she's already with somebody else. Yeah, according

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to Instagram, and you deserve it. You're a bad, bad partner.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, Like what the fuck is wrong with you? Like,

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and it's one thing to be triggered, and you know,

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nobody knows how to handle their triggers perfectly. Like obviously

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it takes a long time to be able to recognize

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your triggers and learn how to react to them properly

471
00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:40,200
where you're not being a toxic asshole. But like this

472
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,680
is so extreme to me for him to be so

473
00:24:43,839 --> 00:24:46,680
triggered that he drives off, Yeah for twelve hours, Like

474
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,400
what the fuck did Tea can do to make you sew?

475
00:24:50,519 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 1: Nothing triggered? Nothing, just a little bit of accountability, Like

476
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,240
could you please just tell me what's going on. That's

477
00:24:57,279 --> 00:25:00,119
all she did was just ask him what is when

478
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,440
her world was doing in the moment, and that was

479
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,240
so triggering he left for twelve hours. Crazy.

480
00:25:06,519 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so when Kim's telling Barry this story, Barry's

481
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,839
obviously shocked and he's like, wow, Ethan's got some shit

482
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,000
that he's got to deal with. Still, he needs to heal.

483
00:25:15,519 --> 00:25:17,960
And then Kim is like, yeah, he also needs to

484
00:25:18,039 --> 00:25:21,519
learn basic communications bills, like what the fuck is wrong

485
00:25:21,519 --> 00:25:21,720
with me?

486
00:25:21,839 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 3: Right?

487
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,559
Speaker 2: And then this kind of leads into a conversation with

488
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,079
Kim and Barry where she says, you know, you and

489
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,000
I were not the best communicators and we kind of

490
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,359
taught our kids this. But ultimately Kim says, I'm the

491
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:34,599
one that gets blamed for it.

492
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:34,799
Speaker 1: All.

493
00:25:35,319 --> 00:25:37,279
Speaker 2: You don't get blame for it, but like I'm taking

494
00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:42,319
the brunt of it. And Barry of course is like, yeah, well.

495
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,519
Speaker 1: He does get on camera though, doesn't he and he

496
00:25:45,559 --> 00:25:47,599
does defend her a little bit. Was it during that

497
00:25:47,759 --> 00:25:48,400
or was it.

498
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:49,759
Speaker 2: It was about Joshua Joshua?

499
00:25:49,839 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 1: Okay?

500
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, So after this, then Kim tells Barry about her

501
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:58,200
trip back home with Lydia and Barry asks her, you know,

502
00:25:58,279 --> 00:26:00,400
were you guys able to talk about things like and

503
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,880
because he's aware of the fact that Lydia and Kim

504
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:07,359
have a dysfunctional relationship right now, and Kim says, yeah,

505
00:26:07,759 --> 00:26:10,279
you know, I did talk to her about going on

506
00:26:10,319 --> 00:26:15,279
those podcasts where she discussed Joshua and how she blamed me,

507
00:26:15,519 --> 00:26:20,240
mainly for not equipping her with the tools to handle

508
00:26:20,599 --> 00:26:24,079
Joshua's death. And then this is where Barry does defend Kim,

509
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,839
and he says something like, she was in a storm

510
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,559
that she couldn't get out of and she didn't know

511
00:26:29,559 --> 00:26:32,240
how to deal with it, right, I mean, it's a

512
00:26:32,279 --> 00:26:34,920
really difficult thing. And then Barry also says something like,

513
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,720
you know, Lydia was only four years old, so like,

514
00:26:38,799 --> 00:26:41,599
how much can you really talk to a four year

515
00:26:41,599 --> 00:26:44,960
old about a concept as big as death, Like you

516
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,440
can really only have so much to talk about it

517
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,599
with them. And you know, I've seen some people be

518
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,640
critical of Barry saying this because four year olds can

519
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,759
still experience extreme trauma, But at the same time, it's

520
00:26:58,799 --> 00:27:02,880
like from a parent, yeah, you can't really have like

521
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,759
an in depth conversation with a four year old about

522
00:27:06,319 --> 00:27:07,759
a traumatic death.

523
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,799
Speaker 1: Like this right, And also you kind of want to

524
00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:14,039
be careful. So if you are talking about it, and

525
00:27:14,079 --> 00:27:17,240
I think they probably tried to, like you, you've got

526
00:27:17,279 --> 00:27:19,480
to frame it in a certain way that doesn't further

527
00:27:19,559 --> 00:27:24,920
traumatize a child who actually witnessed what happened. So it's

528
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,200
a fine line that anybody would have to walk, but

529
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,960
especially a couple of sort of emotionally stunted individuals who

530
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,160
are just overly relying on religion to get them through whatever.

531
00:27:36,279 --> 00:27:38,720
Like they're not going to know what to say. They're

532
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,119
just going to be like, well, let's pray, yeah, exactly,

533
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,880
and hopefully there's going to be some sort of a

534
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,680
breakthrough that they can't facilitate because they don't know how.

535
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:51,079
And Kim was it sounds like kind of catatonic, Yeah,

536
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,960
just not present at all, dissociating, totally, did not know

537
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,119
how to deal with it. And I can absolutely imagine

538
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,640
how terrible it was for her, So like, yeah, she

539
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,119
would have a difficult time sitting down with her littles

540
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,319
and being like, well, this is what happened, this is

541
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,440
how you should feel about it. Let me help you

542
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,599
with She couldn't even talk. She still can't talk. She

543
00:28:10,759 --> 00:28:14,119
still can't verbalize what she saw that day exactly, and

544
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:15,039
all these years later.

545
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,599
Speaker 2: She said that multiple times in this episode. She's like,

546
00:28:17,839 --> 00:28:22,400
I have this play by play of that day that's PTSD,

547
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,559
and she says it replays in her mind all the time,

548
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,799
but she can't verbalize it. She can't talk about it

549
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,039
still to this day. It's been seventeen years, Like she

550
00:28:32,279 --> 00:28:36,480
still cannot talk about that. And that's valid, dude, sure,

551
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,160
Like that's totally valid.

552
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: And it doesn't negate that she shouldn't try to of course,

553
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,359
that there's something that's inside of her that she needs

554
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,200
to work through, like, of course, but you also have

555
00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:50,160
to be ready for that, And that's what I was

556
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,720
trying to get at with my takeaway. It feels like

557
00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:55,640
maybe she's ready to do that right now because she's

558
00:28:55,759 --> 00:28:58,000
orchestrating this entire storyline a little bit.

559
00:28:58,079 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 2: That's kind of what it felt like.

560
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: Maybe she wants to talk about it finally.

561
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like maybe Lydia was the catalyst for her to

562
00:29:03,799 --> 00:29:06,039
finally be able to deal with it, because she has

563
00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:10,319
been totally coasting like this entire time, just not dealing

564
00:29:10,359 --> 00:29:13,599
with it, not handling it, just bottling it up, masking

565
00:29:13,759 --> 00:29:17,319
and masking, and I kind of felt like, in this

566
00:29:17,359 --> 00:29:22,920
conversation with Kim and Barry, Kim is low key resentful

567
00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:28,440
of Barry for not being a good communicator along with her,

568
00:29:28,599 --> 00:29:32,279
because she mentioned something about how Barry couldn't even give

569
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,680
Ethan the sex head talk, like she had to be

570
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,119
the one to talk to Ethan about sex before he

571
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,400
got married to Olivia. And we have that little flashback

572
00:29:41,839 --> 00:29:45,279
from like the earlier seasons or whatever with little blonde,

573
00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:48,000
blonde hair, beardless.

574
00:29:47,799 --> 00:29:51,039
Speaker 1: Johnny apples so optimistic Ethan.

575
00:29:50,799 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 2: And he's smiling. I'm like, I haven't seen you smile forever, dude,

576
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,079
You're so depressing and angry now. But yeah, So, like

577
00:29:57,119 --> 00:30:00,319
I think Kim kind of resents Barry for just like

578
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,519
not really being a good communicator, and she gets the

579
00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:07,079
brunt of it from all of her kids and even

580
00:30:07,119 --> 00:30:09,680
from people online, Like, she gets the brunt of a

581
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,039
lot of the blame and stuff, and we've blamed her

582
00:30:13,079 --> 00:30:15,240
for things on this podcast, and I don't know, after

583
00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:17,599
this episode, I was kind of feeling bad too about

584
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,079
some of the things I've said about.

585
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,599
Speaker 1: Her because I like repeatedly call out that she was

586
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:27,200
the one, you know, responsible essentially for this and yeah,

587
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,920
so she's beating herself up more than anybody else could

588
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:31,799
ever beat her up.

589
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 2: Yep.

590
00:30:32,359 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: And it really hit home with me that for that

591
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,559
year or year and a half, that she was catatonic,

592
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,720
unable to just cope in the most basic of ways.

593
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,680
It was Barrie's duty to stand in the gap for

594
00:30:45,799 --> 00:30:49,440
her and the family. And maybe he did. We don't know,

595
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,480
we weren't watching the show back then. Maybe he did

596
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,599
the very best that he could, but that is what

597
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,720
she needed from him. But my sense is that he

598
00:30:57,799 --> 00:31:00,400
just kept going to work. She had to just click

599
00:31:00,519 --> 00:31:03,759
right back into her pregnancy with Amber. She gives birth

600
00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:08,240
to Amber, Like nobody's really taking care of Kim.

601
00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, my sense is like Barry probably stood up in

602
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,519
a little bit of ways, Like he probably was still

603
00:31:15,559 --> 00:31:17,519
the provider, so he probably was gone at work for

604
00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:19,960
a lot of the time, and Kim was stuck having

605
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,079
to mother all of the kids and stuff, and like

606
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,240
maybe he tried to talk to some of his kids

607
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,920
maybe a little bit, but like he didn't. I don't

608
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:31,039
strike him as somebody who was nurturing of Kim's feelings

609
00:31:31,079 --> 00:31:33,119
at all. He probably gave her time, tried.

610
00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:34,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a robot.

611
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:35,359
Speaker 2: He's a total robot.

612
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,599
Speaker 1: He should have gotten her into therapy immediately. When you're

613
00:31:39,599 --> 00:31:42,480
in a cult like that, therapy is going to talk

614
00:31:42,519 --> 00:31:46,799
to the pastor having some misogynistic patriarchal asshole tell you

615
00:31:46,839 --> 00:31:47,400
how to feel.

616
00:31:47,559 --> 00:31:49,839
Speaker 2: So and that, like, they were also homeschooling all of

617
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,440
their kids, so Barry probably was like, well, all right,

618
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,839
you're gonna have to still do this, you know what

619
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,160
I mean. So it's just like it's a really terrible situation.

620
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,559
And so then their conversation concludes with Kim bringing up

621
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:03,400
child support.

622
00:32:03,759 --> 00:32:07,559
Speaker 1: I was so surprised and taken aback. I was that

623
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,799
Barry Plath is not paying his child support. He's paying

624
00:32:10,839 --> 00:32:14,880
fifty percent of whatever he's supposed to be paying monthly

625
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,039
for the three girls, and he's not doing it, and

626
00:32:18,079 --> 00:32:20,880
he says, I don't have it, And I guess the

627
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,960
agreement was that he would make up for any arrears

628
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,480
child support and start to make his one hundred percent

629
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,839
payments when he sold his house, which I just saw

630
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,720
like a few weeks ago, that that fucker is still

631
00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:38,759
on the MLS. I think he's asking six hundred some

632
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,039
one thousand dollars for it or whatever.

633
00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:41,319
Speaker 3: Whack.

634
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,279
Speaker 1: It is kind of whack because it's very dated.

635
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean so in the middle of nowhere.

636
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's a beautiful property as well. But like, yeah,

637
00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:50,240
so he's waiting to sell his house before he pays

638
00:32:50,279 --> 00:32:52,599
her child support, which is weird.

639
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,519
Speaker 2: And I'm just wondering how much child support is she

640
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,880
actually wanting. Does he not have the kids for fifty

641
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,240
to fifty also gets the kid's fifty to fifty, so

642
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,519
though he does. I think that's part of their agreement.

643
00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:06,759
And people were on Reddit, We're saying that too. People

644
00:33:06,759 --> 00:33:09,279
were saying that actually is a justification for why he's

645
00:33:09,319 --> 00:33:11,640
only paying half of the child support because he does

646
00:33:11,759 --> 00:33:14,279
have fifty percent custody.

647
00:33:14,359 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: If he's got fifty percent custody, then he really shouldn't

648
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,400
be paying any child support or it would just be

649
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,720
the difference between what she makes and he makes. I think.

650
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,440
So that's curious to me. I would love to know

651
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,240
the specifics of whatever agreement they hammered out.

652
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 2: Me too, me too? And is she getting calimony too?

653
00:33:33,319 --> 00:33:36,559
Like how much is she actually getting from him? Yeah,

654
00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:38,880
that's what I want to know. And is she being

655
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:44,240
greedy or is she like actually advocating for her full amount.

656
00:33:44,359 --> 00:33:46,279
I don't know, because it's Kim Plath too, Like we

657
00:33:46,359 --> 00:33:48,200
have to keep that in mind a little bit with her.

658
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,319
I'm like, and also, why are you bringing it up

659
00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:51,799
on camera on TV?

660
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: She did that last season? She did go when she

661
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,440
wanted that divorce to get finalized and for them to

662
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,200
strike some kind of an agreement.

663
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 2: Right, So it was just interesting she brought that up.

664
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,960
And then when she brings it up, Berry's like, yeah,

665
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,359
I don't have it, and then he just gets up

666
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:03,799
and leaves.

667
00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: How does he not have it? Though? Yeah, because he's

668
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:12,000
i think full time employed at a somewhat lucrative job

669
00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:15,800
that used to support him, her, their children, and all

670
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,760
of their multiple properties. Yes, the mortgage is on all

671
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,239
of the properties. So like, he used to be able

672
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,679
to afford all of that. How come you can't plus

673
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,360
whatever you're making for plaith Bill, Yeah, you should be

674
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,280
able to pay your child support, you.

675
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 2: Think, unless it's a crazy amount. But I'm just like,

676
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,719
that's weird. And he straight up said he couldn't afford it.

677
00:34:34,039 --> 00:34:36,400
So I'm like, are you broke? Like you can't be

678
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,360
broker than Kim who doesn't have a job and she's

679
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:44,719
married to a retire right is getting social security? Like,

680
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,639
you can't be that bink. So yeah, so I don't know.

681
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,840
It was interesting and so then we flash forward two

682
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,920
weeks later and this is where we get to the

683
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,679
conversation between Kim, Isaac and Ethan.

684
00:34:58,039 --> 00:35:00,079
Speaker 1: This was juicy.

685
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 2: So Isaac is at the Cairo property. He's building a

686
00:35:04,519 --> 00:35:06,800
bench or something or a bench. Yeah, he's such a

687
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,920
mean he's so handsome.

688
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 1: He builds, he.

689
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 2: Works with his hands, he does. And then we have Ethan,

690
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,920
who flew down from Wisconsin and they're there because this

691
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,920
is the one year anniversary of Zach and Lydia's weddings.

692
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,960
I guess they're going to be doing some celebration or

693
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,079
whatever as a family.

694
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: Why.

695
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 2: I don't know.

696
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,119
Speaker 1: Cringe, feels like they hate Zach and Lydia, but okay.

697
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're there because they're going to have a

698
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:35,760
little conversation with Kim before like this celebration or whatever.

699
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:41,039
So we check him with Ethan. Ethan apparently found a

700
00:35:41,079 --> 00:35:46,400
therapist in Wisconsin, which I was shocked by me as well,

701
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,039
and I'm actually very very happy me too. I really

702
00:35:50,039 --> 00:35:51,480
hope that he sticks with this therapy.

703
00:35:51,519 --> 00:35:53,039
Speaker 1: I doubt he will I don't know.

704
00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 2: He says he thinks he likes the therapist and it's

705
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,119
good to talk about things and get out of your head.

706
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: And I'm like, please just keep going, yes, please.

707
00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:03,679
Speaker 2: Just keep going. It'll help you not be an angry

708
00:36:03,679 --> 00:36:06,239
piece of shit. Maybe you can grow from it, because

709
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,199
I do think he's got potential to grow.

710
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:09,119
Speaker 1: Everybody does.

711
00:36:09,199 --> 00:36:13,119
Speaker 2: Everybody does, so I'm very encouraged that he's got a therapist. Now.

712
00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:16,480
He says he's still glad that he moved up to Wisconsin,

713
00:36:16,599 --> 00:36:18,840
even though him and Teagan are not dating and they're

714
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,360
never going to date again.

715
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 1: No, she's seen him a couple of times at this point.

716
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:24,119
Speaker 2: Yep.

717
00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:25,679
Speaker 1: He's been there for a few months.

718
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,599
Speaker 2: Yep. So they're friends, I guess according to Ethan. But

719
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,519
he's he's in therapy and that's all that matters. And

720
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,159
Kim arrives, and then this is where Isaac brings up

721
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,880
the road trip that Kim had back with Lydia and

722
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,880
the Montana trip that Lydia and Zach went on off camera.

723
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:53,199
So Kim says that she heard Zach was on Mariah's

724
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,119
ass for drinking a bunch of alcohol and said that

725
00:36:56,119 --> 00:36:57,360
that's not godly.

726
00:36:57,199 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: Having alcohol in her home, not necessarily even drinking it.

727
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,599
Speaker 2: Yeah right, Because Kim says, I drink alcohol in front

728
00:37:04,599 --> 00:37:05,519
of him all the time.

729
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:10,599
Speaker 1: And I wish he would let him try to tell

730
00:37:10,639 --> 00:37:11,280
me about it.

731
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,039
Speaker 2: And it's interesting that he doesn't lecture her about it,

732
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,880
but he's quick to lecture Mariah, right, And I'm like,

733
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,599
Mariah's older than you also, so fuck off, dude. But whatever.

734
00:37:21,079 --> 00:37:24,440
So this is how the conversation starts. Kim says, Zach

735
00:37:24,559 --> 00:37:28,480
is lecturing Mariah about alcohol, and then Isaac says, when

736
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,639
they were in Montana because I guess Isaac and Caylen

737
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,280
went back to Montana, yes, after the trip with Ethan

738
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,920
and Tagan, and this is where they hung out with

739
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,800
Zach and Lydia on that trip. Zach only talked to

740
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,960
the girls when Isaac wasn't around. Fucked up, And didn't

741
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,760
you say last week it was because Isaac would have

742
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:49,559
checked his ass.

743
00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, he would have checked Zach for going after Mariah.

744
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,239
He would have checked Zach for doing it in front

745
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,960
of Kaylin, his girlfriend. He absolutely what have yep.

746
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 2: And Isaac is frustrated by this because he thinks it's disrespectful.

747
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:11,280
For one, because Mariah let Zach and Lydia stay at

748
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,639
her house and use her car while they were staying

749
00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:17,480
in Montana. So like, you are being welcomed into this

750
00:38:17,559 --> 00:38:22,000
woman's home and then you have the audacity to lecture

751
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:26,280
and judge her about not just the alcohol, but the

752
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,679
car games that they're playing, the TV shows that they're watching,

753
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,599
the music she's listening to, everything that she's doing in

754
00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:35,840
her life. Fuck you, that is not honoring God. And

755
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,840
Isaac says something like, you know, normal people know their place, Like,

756
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,119
if you're being welcomed into someone's home, it's not your place,

757
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,480
or you're right to make any comments or judgments about

758
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,280
how they live their lives. You might personally disagree with

759
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,039
some of the things that they're doing, but you're being

760
00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:55,760
welcomed into their home. It's none of your fucking business.

761
00:38:56,119 --> 00:38:59,039
And then he quotes the log in your eye or

762
00:38:59,079 --> 00:39:01,719
the speck in your eye scripture.

763
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,559
Speaker 1: Well, don't pick out this speck in your brother's eye

764
00:39:03,559 --> 00:39:07,679
when you're walking around just redwood logging it, Yeah, in

765
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:08,440
your own eye.

766
00:39:08,559 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 2: And didn't you say that last week too? I think

767
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,000
I did, base yes, And this gets into a conversation

768
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:17,400
about religion, which I actually really appreciated in this episode

769
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,119
because we hear from all three of them, Isaac, Kim,

770
00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:23,880
and Ethan about how it's mainly Isaac and Ethan talking

771
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,320
about Christianity, how these are the kinds of Christians that

772
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,519
they hate because it's not godly to sit there and

773
00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:33,880
judge everybody else. It's actually pretty fucked up. And Ethan

774
00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:37,079
in particular gets really mad about it. And I thought

775
00:39:37,159 --> 00:39:41,519
this was really great because we know online people are

776
00:39:41,559 --> 00:39:45,199
always shitting on Ethan in particular for being a Christian

777
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,000
nationalist or whatever and being a bigot and stuff, and

778
00:39:48,039 --> 00:39:50,320
I'm just like, here you are. We have Ethan saying

779
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,719
like we shouldn't be judging people like this is not

780
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,239
what real Christianity is.

781
00:39:56,199 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: Thank you, loved. And I know I've been soapboxing up

782
00:40:00,039 --> 00:40:04,760
about this, least do it more multiple episodes, but this

783
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,239
is the kind of Christian that I feel like we

784
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,719
need to call out, or really the type of Christianity

785
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,039
that other Christians need to call out. And there's always

786
00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:18,000
this and I think, I yeah, in the preview, doesn't

787
00:40:18,039 --> 00:40:21,639
Lydia say something like, well, but God says righteous anger,

788
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:27,119
yes is okay? Or whatever? Like all of these Christians

789
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:33,199
who cherry pick scriptures that don't actually originate from the

790
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,519
words of Jesus, which should supersede if you're a Christian,

791
00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:39,440
should supersede any other scripture in the Bible, the Red

792
00:40:39,519 --> 00:40:43,360
Letters in the Bible, should supersede anything that Paul said,

793
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:48,400
anything that John said, any other book. And yet they

794
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:53,159
rely on cherry picking in order to continue to judge people.

795
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,320
And this is what I think Zach and Lydia are

796
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,880
doing now. I find that to be odious, yep and repel.

797
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,719
But at the same time, when I was their age,

798
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,840
and I was sold out in radical for Jesus, and

799
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,639
I was literally a missionary to all of these South

800
00:41:07,679 --> 00:41:12,239
Pacific islands. Missionary work in and of itself is arrogant,

801
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:17,079
and proselytization trying to convert somebody to your religion is arrogant.

802
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:19,480
But like when I was young, I was doing it too,

803
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:24,719
because when you're young, you're idealistic, and in Christianity, you're

804
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,000
a young person who loves Jesus and you want everybody

805
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,559
to know. And also you've had the fear of religion

806
00:41:29,639 --> 00:41:32,239
instilled in you. So like, if I don't help my

807
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:36,440
sister be saved, she's going to a literal hell. So

808
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:37,760
I feel like I've got to do something. So like,

809
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,840
there's so much fucked up messaging within these systems of

810
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,480
religious groupthink, and you really see Lydia and Zach as

811
00:41:45,519 --> 00:41:49,360
a product of that. Totally. So having the counterpoint of

812
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,280
a young man like Isaac younger than Lydia yep, right, Yes,

813
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,400
being able to quote a scripture and call out his

814
00:41:58,519 --> 00:42:03,039
sister for being is se antichrist yeah, and Unchristian. I

815
00:42:03,079 --> 00:42:06,360
think is so good for somebody like me to see

816
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,039
because I relate to Kim when she's like, I've mullowed out,

817
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,440
I've chilled out. I'm not so much the letter of

818
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,239
the law or pharasitical, if you will. I'm more the

819
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,519
spirit of the law and the love. And that's God

820
00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:23,920
is my friend. Yes, like that's I relate to that,

821
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,760
and I think a lot of us really relate to that,

822
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:32,719
and much less with this organized religious mouthpiece bullshit. I

823
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,880
have hope for Lydia, yeah, because she seems like an

824
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,079
intelligent girl with a big heart. I have hope for

825
00:42:38,159 --> 00:42:40,119
her that she will come out of this at some

826
00:42:40,199 --> 00:42:43,960
point just as I did, and she will have a

827
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:50,159
more full and compassionate spiritual experience. But as long as

828
00:42:50,199 --> 00:42:54,840
she's yoked to a guy like Zach, yeah, I worry

829
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:55,840
a little bit about that.

830
00:42:56,159 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 2: I really do think Zach is the negative influence here,

831
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:02,920
because I think Zach is the one that is making

832
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:07,679
these judgments and like influencing Lydia to be like this.

833
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,159
And I think Lydia, you know, isn't there like some

834
00:43:10,199 --> 00:43:12,639
scripture or whatever that's like honor your husband or something

835
00:43:12,679 --> 00:43:15,679
like that. Maybe she's trying to be this like good Christian.

836
00:43:16,159 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: But also husbands you have to serve your wives, right,

837
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,039
It's a mutual.

838
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 2: Thing for sure. But I think that Lydia is probably

839
00:43:23,199 --> 00:43:25,599
acting as like I've got to be this dutiful wife

840
00:43:25,639 --> 00:43:27,559
and like if this, if my husband says this, then

841
00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:30,559
he's right because God and blah blah blah. Like so

842
00:43:30,639 --> 00:43:33,480
she's just like following suit with this, and I really

843
00:43:34,519 --> 00:43:36,559
hate it. I hate it for her, I hate it

844
00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:39,880
for the family. And I do appreciate that the Plaths

845
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,039
are calling it out and they're they're being pretty articulate

846
00:43:43,159 --> 00:43:45,840
with it and articulate about their faith and everything of

847
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,719
like this is not what Christ preached at all, Like

848
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,639
what are we doing here? And I was watching this

849
00:43:51,679 --> 00:43:54,519
with your daughter, who straight up said like, these are

850
00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:58,039
the types of Christians that turn people away from Christ. Yes,

851
00:43:58,079 --> 00:44:02,000
because people get icked out by this type of Christianity

852
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,079
where you're so fucking judgmental that you're telling people how

853
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:06,000
to live their lives.

854
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: You're not God, No, you are not. You know what

855
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,960
I was thinking as I was watching this, like maybe

856
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:20,639
Kim's terrible behavior, having an adulterous affair, allegedly drinking and

857
00:44:20,679 --> 00:44:22,800
partying and doing all the things she's been doing, Maybe

858
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:27,920
that's actually the pivot that all of the children needed

859
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:33,519
to extricate themselves from this cult, to cut the cord,

860
00:44:33,599 --> 00:44:36,320
give them permission if you will, not to have to

861
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,880
continue in this system. Like her doing that saved and

862
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,760
even freed these kids. And it's like Hosanna, I think

863
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,880
is still super turbo evangelical, you've got Lydia, but I

864
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:52,559
think the rest of them have moved away from this

865
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,960
religion for the most part. Like, for example, she seems

866
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,559
like a free thinker, she seems like a truth teller. Yeah,

867
00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:02,719
And I think Cassia and also Mercy are very similar

868
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,159
in that way. So kind of thank God that Kim

869
00:45:05,199 --> 00:45:08,280
made these terrible decisions so her children could be liberated

870
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,239
from her fucked up religion, but you still have you

871
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,280
still have Lydia who's now married to the Kim and

872
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,079
Barry replacement, which is.

873
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 2: Zach one hundred percent. And actually, when Lydia went on

874
00:45:20,159 --> 00:45:22,840
I think the Matt and Abbey podcast, she talked about

875
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,480
this a little bit about when her parents split up,

876
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,639
like it was kind of like her whole world turned

877
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,639
upside down, and like she did kind of verbalize a

878
00:45:32,679 --> 00:45:36,920
little bit about how it like it just made her

879
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,639
question a lot of things. Of course, I questioned the

880
00:45:39,639 --> 00:45:41,320
way that they grew up and all this stuff. But

881
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,800
then she said that she leaned in harder to her

882
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,639
religious structure and stuff just to have some kind of

883
00:45:48,119 --> 00:45:51,400
foundation because everything changed, of course, And look like I

884
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,840
can have sympathy for that, Like this is a really

885
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,960
big change in their family and their life, and especially

886
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:01,039
with Lydia being the parentified middle child old, you know,

887
00:46:01,159 --> 00:46:04,960
like this would have been really shocking and detrimentaled her.

888
00:46:05,039 --> 00:46:08,079
So I can't blame her for turning to religion for

889
00:46:08,159 --> 00:46:11,920
the structure. It's just unfortunate that she had to marry an.

890
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:19,599
Speaker 1: Allegedly gay guy. Got stop saying, well, but he sucks dude, absolutely.

891
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 2: I like that. No, no, no, no, no. Obviously I'm gay.

892
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,280
I don't think gay people suck. But it's just like

893
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:29,199
I think, Zach, like, how dare you be so judgmental

894
00:46:29,199 --> 00:46:31,360
of everybody else, like when you don't want people to

895
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:31,920
judge you?

896
00:46:32,519 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, And how dare you both tell your family that

897
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,880
you don't want them to be talking about you and

898
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:42,280
spreading rumors and then here you are talking about all

899
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,320
of these other people in your family. You fucking hypocrites.

900
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 2: And Isaac called that out this l which was so

901
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,000
all loved it. And this was in the context, of course,

902
00:46:52,159 --> 00:46:55,199
of Joshua, because Kim brings us up to Ethan and

903
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,719
Isaac about how Lydia went on these podcasts and talked

904
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:03,239
about Joshua's death in depth and said some things that

905
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:09,519
Kim felt were inappropriate and too sensitive to the subject matter. Apparently,

906
00:47:09,559 --> 00:47:14,719
according to Kim, Lydia went into extreme detail about like

907
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,800
the events of Joshua's death on that day, and Lydia

908
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:24,159
also speculated that Joshua's death led to Kim and Barry's divorce,

909
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,760
And Kim does say on camera and to Ethan and

910
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,840
Isaac that that was not the reason why they split up,

911
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:35,840
and this opens up a conversation about whether or not

912
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,239
Lydia was in the right to say these things publicly,

913
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:44,480
and according to Kim and Ethan and Isaac, Lydia should

914
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:48,840
not have gone out publicly talking about such a sensitive,

915
00:47:49,079 --> 00:47:56,280
traumatic subject. And Isaac and Ethan are both under this understanding,

916
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,880
this mutual understanding of like, this was a really traumatic event,

917
00:48:01,039 --> 00:48:03,920
Kim was the one obviously at the hands of it,

918
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,599
and if she doesn't want to talk about it, and

919
00:48:06,679 --> 00:48:08,519
if she doesn't really want to address it in the family,

920
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,400
like that's cool with them. And Ethan even says that

921
00:48:11,639 --> 00:48:14,280
to Kim, says, hey, Mom, if you never want to

922
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,039
talk about Joshua with me ever again, like I'm cool

923
00:48:17,039 --> 00:48:19,039
with that. I'm gonna be okay with it. And then

924
00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:22,480
Isaac says something really nice to Kim, like, Mom, like

925
00:48:22,639 --> 00:48:25,639
you did such a great job raising all nine of

926
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,880
us while going through that, Like I don't fault you

927
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,400
for anything, like I forgive you, I love you, and

928
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,559
you did a great job given the circumstances. And Kim's

929
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:37,119
really appreciative to hear about that. And obviously Kim says

930
00:48:37,159 --> 00:48:40,840
to the camera, which I think is valid. She says,

931
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:47,000
you know, I cannot deal with the pain of losing Joshua,

932
00:48:47,159 --> 00:48:49,320
but I can't deal with the pain even more of

933
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,920
losing of hurting all of my children at the same time,

934
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,119
and like not being there for them, Like the guilt,

935
00:48:55,599 --> 00:48:58,119
the overwhelming guilt and shame that I feel is just

936
00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:02,039
too much to bear. And so Lydia or sorry. When

937
00:49:02,119 --> 00:49:05,599
Kim says that Lydia went on these podcasts and talked

938
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:09,039
about it, it just opened up this wound all over

939
00:49:09,119 --> 00:49:09,840
again for her.

940
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: And I think that that's valid, yep, And I understand that,

941
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,559
But I maintain that Lydia had every right to say

942
00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:23,679
whatever she thought and whatever she felt, because I think,

943
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,159
as I said last week, it's not just your story, Kim,

944
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:32,119
especially when you had multiple children, if not all of

945
00:49:32,159 --> 00:49:35,440
the children that were also present at the time, some

946
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:40,719
of whom can remember what actually happened. That's their story too. Yes,

947
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,519
that's their perspective of what happened, and they are entitled

948
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,480
to be able to talk about that, use that as

949
00:49:47,639 --> 00:49:51,800
a demonstration of how to overcome stuff. Also lament that

950
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:56,800
they were never given their resources to fully process and

951
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:00,920
heal from that, and like all of that is entirely fair,

952
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,119
but at the same time, two things are true at

953
00:50:03,159 --> 00:50:05,480
the same time, that also would hurt Kim. Yes, and

954
00:50:05,519 --> 00:50:08,639
that to somebody who's been masking for seventeen years, for

955
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:12,960
somebody who's just been tamping trauma, the worst trauma as

956
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,840
a mom, a parent, I could ever imagine just stuffing

957
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:22,440
it down like that would be absolutely triggering to somebody

958
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:27,119
like Kim. Both ladies are entitled to their perspective, and

959
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,760
I think deep down Kim understands this.

960
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 2: I agree, and I.

961
00:50:31,159 --> 00:50:36,280
Speaker 1: Think Kim knows that Lydia needs to talk about it.

962
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,239
And the reason we have her going to therapy in

963
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,159
the next scene is because she's doing it for Lydia.

964
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,199
She says that, like, I want to be a parent

965
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,599
who can help Lydia through this process because it's obviously

966
00:50:48,639 --> 00:50:51,440
still harmful to her. It's still hurting her, it's still

967
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,360
hurting me. I want to be able to collaborate and

968
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,519
connect with her around that. Yes, So, like all of

969
00:50:57,559 --> 00:51:03,119
it's sad, all of it is traumatic. I understand that

970
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:08,719
Kim has legitimate PTSD and maybe so does Lydia for sure,

971
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,760
So like, this family needs a lot of help.

972
00:51:13,039 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 2: And I went looking on the into whips and the

973
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:20,400
reddits and the YouTube's to try and find what clips

974
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,079
like Kim was referencing, because Kim talks about this in

975
00:51:24,119 --> 00:51:28,320
these episodes, saying Lydia went into extreme detail and she

976
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,599
was sharing things that were really sensitive that you know,

977
00:51:32,639 --> 00:51:36,719
the family didn't feel was appropriate to be sharing on

978
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,920
such a public platform. And I was like looking online

979
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,119
and I'm like trying to find what Lydia said that

980
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:47,679
was so harmful, And the clips on Matt Nabby's podcast

981
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,960
and the Jill Duggars podcasts are actually pretty innocuous, Like

982
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:55,039
they're pretty like Lydia was very i think gracious, where

983
00:51:55,039 --> 00:51:57,639
she was just talking about how this was a really

984
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,760
traumatic thing. It was in the hands of Kim, nobody

985
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,199
could talk about it. That was really hard for her,

986
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:06,519
you know, But she can't necessarily blame her parents for

987
00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:09,360
that because obviously it was traumatizing. Like, Lydia has a

988
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:13,440
right to say these things. But I did find a

989
00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:16,639
old Reddit post from like four months ago or whatever

990
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,320
that had a screenshot of the Matt Nabby's podcast where

991
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:24,199
it had a thumbnail that was Lydia saying, I watched

992
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:29,599
my brother die and this was the podcast that everybody

993
00:52:29,639 --> 00:52:32,159
was referencing, and I go and look at it, and

994
00:52:32,199 --> 00:52:36,400
they recently changed the thumbnail. Now the thumbnail says like

995
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:41,280
my family was torn apart or something. So my theory

996
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,480
is that maybe Lydia did actually go into extreme detail

997
00:52:45,079 --> 00:52:48,519
and maybe it upset Kim so much and then they

998
00:52:48,679 --> 00:52:51,760
edited it out and like changed the thumbnail, because that

999
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,360
thumbnail is pretty crazy to say, like I watched my

1000
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,000
brother die, Like that's.

1001
00:52:55,679 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: That's pretty graphicative.

1002
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 2: Yes, So I'm kind of one wondering maybe Lydia did

1003
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,840
go into too much detail and maybe Kim was uncomfortable

1004
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,400
about some of the things that she had said. And

1005
00:53:07,519 --> 00:53:12,280
if that's the case, I can understand that. You know,

1006
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:16,239
Kim says in this episode this week that Lydia went

1007
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,960
into detail about it and she can't listen to that,

1008
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,239
like it's too traumatizing, because Kim obviously already has her

1009
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,079
own play by pay moments where she's repeating it in

1010
00:53:26,119 --> 00:53:28,559
her mind every single fucking day of her life and

1011
00:53:28,599 --> 00:53:32,639
it's too painful for her. So like, I can understand that.

1012
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,480
I do think you're right. There's two things here that

1013
00:53:36,519 --> 00:53:38,599
are true. Lydia has a right to talk about her

1014
00:53:38,639 --> 00:53:43,000
experience because Lydia has said on these podcasts that she

1015
00:53:43,079 --> 00:53:46,440
was only four, but she remembers everything. She remembers the

1016
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:50,719
details she remembers seeing Joshua's body. And I saw some

1017
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,800
people on Reddit say that Lydia did go into a

1018
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:55,920
lot of detail about it, But I can't find the

1019
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,679
clips where Lydia went into detail, so I'm thinking it

1020
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,760
got edited. I don't know if somebody has like a

1021
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,480
saved clip that you can send us so we can

1022
00:54:03,519 --> 00:54:06,679
watch it, because I'm really curious what Kim was so

1023
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:11,599
upset about. My vibe is Kim was triggered. I think

1024
00:54:11,639 --> 00:54:16,000
Kim was triggered to have Lydia express her emotions about it.

1025
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:20,000
I think Kim is triggered because, like she says in

1026
00:54:20,039 --> 00:54:23,159
this episode, she can't bear the fact that she hurt

1027
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:24,119
all of her children.

1028
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:24,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1029
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,159
Speaker 2: Also, like it's just the whole thing is terrible. It's

1030
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,599
already terrible to lose a child in this way, but

1031
00:54:31,639 --> 00:54:36,239
it's terrible even more to know that you weren't being

1032
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:40,039
a good parent because you were traumatized, and you couldn't

1033
00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:43,000
be there for your other kids because you were grieving

1034
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,679
the worst loss a parent can have.

1035
00:54:46,159 --> 00:54:49,079
Speaker 1: Well, what was really poignant to me was during therapy,

1036
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:50,679
and I know we're about to get there.

1037
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,599
Speaker 2: Oh, we'll get there right now. Okay, yeah, all right, well, yeah,

1038
00:54:53,679 --> 00:54:54,440
Kim goes to therapy.

1039
00:54:54,519 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: Kim goes to therapy with the therapists that tried to

1040
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:02,000
therapize Veronica, Peters and Micah, which not successful. But wow,

1041
00:55:02,159 --> 00:55:04,599
Kim is there. What she says is and I thought

1042
00:55:04,599 --> 00:55:08,840
this was so so again poignant, She says, I know

1043
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:14,039
what I went through when this happened, and the hell

1044
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,960
that I was in and the months and months that

1045
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,519
I had to walk through where I was completely emotionally

1046
00:55:21,559 --> 00:55:26,719
and physically debilitated. To think that my kids went through

1047
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:31,960
that too and I wasn't able to help them shatters me. Yeah,

1048
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:36,440
it never maybe occurred to her that her kids were

1049
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:40,679
having the same experience on the same level as her,

1050
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:45,719
because she was so myopic in her trauma response. Ye,

1051
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,480
she didn't have the bandwidth to pick up on what

1052
00:55:48,519 --> 00:55:51,119
was going on with the kids and certainly not to

1053
00:55:51,159 --> 00:55:53,840
help them. So here she is, at fifty six or

1054
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,400
whatever however old, she is realizing, Oh my god, the

1055
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,440
worst thing that ever happened to me that broke me

1056
00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:02,480
as a p also happened to my kids, and it

1057
00:56:02,559 --> 00:56:06,440
was because of me, because I was the one behind

1058
00:56:06,519 --> 00:56:10,840
the wheel. That is what she's dealing with. Yes, because

1059
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,880
she knows she's a broken person. Of course she's acknowledging

1060
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,239
in these episodes. We don't know how to talk. There's

1061
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:20,239
something wrong with us fundamentally, and then to make the

1062
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,599
connection that, oh, I'm the one who made my kids

1063
00:56:23,679 --> 00:56:26,039
this way, and what if they are to this day

1064
00:56:26,079 --> 00:56:28,679
still struggling with this, like Lydia is because she's not

1065
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:32,719
on podcasts, yeah, talking about her pain around it and

1066
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,320
that pain touches my pain, yes, activates my pain. Now

1067
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,800
it's alive again, and I don't know what to fucking

1068
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:40,119
do with it exactly.

1069
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:43,199
Speaker 2: And like Kim said last week, what really hurt her

1070
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,599
the most was that Lydia felt more comfortable going on

1071
00:56:46,639 --> 00:56:50,519
these public platforms talking about such a painful, traumatic thing

1072
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:52,599
instead of talking to Kim.

1073
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: Well, Kim would not have been able to hear it

1074
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:56,960
the course, and Lydia knows that.

1075
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,199
Speaker 2: And I think Kim knows that too, Like she knows

1076
00:56:59,199 --> 00:57:02,519
she hasn't been able to talk about this for seventeen years,

1077
00:57:02,559 --> 00:57:06,400
and so like the whole thing is just painful, and

1078
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:10,480
like I'm of two minds here, Like, again, Lydia is

1079
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:14,559
allowed to talk about her experience, but Kim. You know,

1080
00:57:14,599 --> 00:57:20,000
it's it's unfair for Kim to have put maybe a

1081
00:57:20,079 --> 00:57:23,320
spoken or unspoken expectation on all of her kids to

1082
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,800
just not talk about this because it was too painful.

1083
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:29,079
Because Lydia says on these podcasts that nobody was allowed

1084
00:57:29,079 --> 00:57:31,519
to talk about it in front of Kim that if

1085
00:57:31,519 --> 00:57:34,039
they ever talked about it and Kim like entered the

1086
00:57:34,079 --> 00:57:36,119
room or whatever, everybody had to kind of stop talking

1087
00:57:36,159 --> 00:57:38,239
about it. And I don't even think that that was

1088
00:57:38,239 --> 00:57:41,199
like a malicious thing or like that Kim got mad

1089
00:57:41,239 --> 00:57:44,000
at them for it. It was just so painful that

1090
00:57:44,079 --> 00:57:47,400
the family had this understanding and this expectation to just

1091
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,719
not bring it up in front of Kim because she

1092
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,880
would be devastated or she would have a tromper response

1093
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:56,679
or whatever. So like it's unfair that that was put

1094
00:57:56,719 --> 00:58:01,119
on the kids. Yes, that they couldn't express their feelings

1095
00:58:01,159 --> 00:58:05,239
around this death because everybody experienced the death. It's unfair

1096
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,159
about that, But I don't even think it was put

1097
00:58:08,199 --> 00:58:11,679
on them in a way that was like like mean

1098
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:15,079
or malicious or whatever. I think Kim was just deeply traumatized.

1099
00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:18,559
And I think the other thing is that the older

1100
00:58:18,679 --> 00:58:24,039
kids understand that at a better level than Lydia still does.

1101
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,079
I don't think Lydia could have understood it at four

1102
00:58:26,159 --> 00:58:28,519
years old. I don't think she really understands it now

1103
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,800
as an adult. The older kids get it, and I

1104
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:35,880
think they've always got it of like mom did this

1105
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,719
and it was an accident, and she feels so much

1106
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,960
guilt and shame, like we're just gonna deal with it individually,

1107
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,960
and like that works for some people, Like I get

1108
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,320
that as an older sibling, Like there are some things

1109
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,159
that I just like don't bring up to my parents

1110
00:58:49,239 --> 00:58:52,159
because I know it would be hurtful for them. And

1111
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,519
I'm not saying that in like a bad way. I'm like,

1112
00:58:54,719 --> 00:58:57,519
I'll just deal with it on my own because I

1113
00:58:57,559 --> 00:59:00,079
know it would hurt them, and I have that understanding.

1114
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,039
I think Lydia doesn't really get that. And I think

1115
00:59:03,119 --> 00:59:06,119
maybe that's like the root of this is that like

1116
00:59:06,199 --> 00:59:08,239
Lydia went and talked about it on a public on

1117
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,639
two public podcasts, and so then you have like all

1118
00:59:10,679 --> 00:59:13,559
these clips like circling around, and so of course, like

1119
00:59:13,679 --> 00:59:15,639
Kim is going to see that and it is going

1120
00:59:15,719 --> 00:59:17,320
to be hurt by that. And I'm like, did you

1121
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,119
call your mom and tell her that you're going to

1122
00:59:19,199 --> 00:59:19,880
talk about this?

1123
00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 1: She might have. Maybe that's how Kim knows that the

1124
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:26,119
podcast happened. Maybe, But also I have respect for Lydia

1125
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,599
for being the disruptor, sure, and then going like, I'm

1126
00:59:29,599 --> 00:59:31,760
going to talk about it, right, y'all can stay in

1127
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:36,320
your secret places and do your dysfunctional, tomato faced things,

1128
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,559
but I'm going to actually talk about it, and maybe

1129
00:59:39,559 --> 00:59:41,840
through my talking about it, I will help somebody else

1130
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,239
get through it or try to find a way to

1131
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,800
process this kind of thing in a more healthy and

1132
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:47,679
productive way.

1133
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:48,599
Speaker 2: And that's the thing too.

1134
00:59:48,719 --> 00:59:51,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, so like you need a Lydia, Like because Lydia

1135
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,559
said it, Kim reacted to it. Now, Kim's at therapy.

1136
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:56,880
Now we're going to have a conversation about it, and

1137
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,800
then the family needs to have this conversation. So at

1138
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:01,840
the the end of the day, it is actually a

1139
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:03,239
good thing that Lydia did it.

1140
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,519
Speaker 2: And I agree with that, and I think it was

1141
01:00:05,519 --> 01:00:07,920
actually really cool that we ended the episode with Kim

1142
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:11,079
going to therapy for that reason, and she tells a

1143
01:00:11,119 --> 01:00:12,920
therapist that, like I want to be able to talk

1144
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:16,000
about this. I can't verbalize it right now, and I'm

1145
01:00:16,039 --> 01:00:18,039
having a hard time. And the therapist was pretty cool

1146
01:00:18,079 --> 01:00:21,480
because she does confront Kim about it, like being like, well,

1147
01:00:21,639 --> 01:00:24,880
Lydia's putting you on blast because she's basically saying like,

1148
01:00:25,119 --> 01:00:27,960
she needs this from you, and has she asked you

1149
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,920
or told you what she needs from you? And Kim's

1150
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,679
like no, And the therapist is like, well, have you asked

1151
01:00:33,679 --> 01:00:37,119
her what she needs? And Kim's like no. And so

1152
01:00:37,199 --> 01:00:40,840
obviously that's the other issue here is that you know,

1153
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:44,639
Kim couldn't have even been like, hey, hmm, do you

1154
01:00:44,639 --> 01:00:47,880
need to talk about this? Like Kim was just busy

1155
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,239
dealing with it on her own. And I get that.

1156
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,199
I understand why she was dealing with Beatrice.

1157
01:00:53,199 --> 01:00:54,719
Speaker 1: It's all fucked up, and that's all it is.

1158
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:55,559
Speaker 2: It's so fucked up.

1159
01:00:55,559 --> 01:00:57,079
Speaker 1: It's all fucked up. Everybody fucked up.

1160
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 2: And she talks about being pregnant with Amber.

1161
01:01:00,159 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 1: Oh.

1162
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I didn't know that she was pregnant at

1163
01:01:02,719 --> 01:01:06,000
the time of Joshua's death, which is fucking insane. And

1164
01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:08,440
so then Joshua dies and then she has to give

1165
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,119
birth to Amber a couple months later, and she says

1166
01:01:11,159 --> 01:01:14,119
that she thought it would get better after the birth

1167
01:01:14,119 --> 01:01:16,880
of Amber, but like she was so heavy in her

1168
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:20,199
grief that she couldn't even like bond with Amber. She

1169
01:01:20,239 --> 01:01:22,239
couldn't sing to her, she couldn't even look her in

1170
01:01:22,239 --> 01:01:25,400
the eye. I was so sad to hear that.

1171
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: I had a tearball when she said I couldn't sing

1172
01:01:28,039 --> 01:01:28,320
to her.

1173
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:32,719
Speaker 2: I was so sad, and like dealing with postpartum on

1174
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,760
top of that, Like, it's just Kim's a traumatized person.

1175
01:01:36,039 --> 01:01:37,760
And I know a lot of people and like, we

1176
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:39,599
have been hard on Kim, but I know a lot

1177
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of people on Reddit are even worse about their opinions

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about Kim heartless, but there are some people that are

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being like, you know what, even though I don't like her,

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I can still give her grace with this and I

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would never judge her for her reaction to something as

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horrific as this. And it's awful. So anyway, Kim's hurting,

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she's in therapy. Everybody's sad. And so we have the

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preview for next week. We have Kim telling Lydia that

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now she's finally ready to talk about Joshua, which is

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really cool. We have Ethan arriving with Teagan.

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Speaker 1: Why Teagan, you don't like this boy, you don't want

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this boy, you don't end up with this boy? Why

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are you still on camera here? Goblin ded Yes, okay.

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Speaker 2: And she's always she's like wearing this like shirt with

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her titties out and stuff, and I'm just like, what

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are you doing if you're not willing to get back

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with Ethan. But they arrive at the family farm because

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they're gonna sit down and talk to Zach and Lydia.

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I'm like, why does Teagan gotta be there for that?

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Speaker 1: Because I think Zach said some things about Teagan. Oh

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my god, are we gonna bring it up? I believe

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we are.

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Speaker 2: And so when everybody sits down to confront Zach and Lydia, Mariah.

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Speaker 1: Gets up and I'll be in the kitchen.

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Speaker 2: I think that's kind of funny. I don't want the confrontation.

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She's like, peace out. And this is where Ethan tells

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Zach that he is overstepping, and Zach, of course, has

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been the victim, and he's like, I guess like everybody

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hates me in the family.

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Speaker 1: Right, I hate you, dude? Yeah, I don't like him

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at all. I'm over it me too, And it kind

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of gave me the vibration of I'm just like Olivia,

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like they've always got to have a villain in this family, yep,

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and so that's me now, I guess I'm like, no, actually,

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you suck though, and what you did with Mariah was

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bad and judgmental, and you're on then ice anyway, and

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these people don't know you.

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Speaker 2: So slow your role, dude, slow your role. And I

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don't know why everybody's got to compare themselves to Olivia

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being like, but I'm not the villain. I plus family

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just needs a villain. Veronica says this too.

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Speaker 1: Veronica was a villain, a bona fide villain.

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Speaker 2: And now Zack, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean Zach has aspects that I mean, he's

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a young kid. Same with Olivia, Like, there's a lot

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of things you're doing wrong, but you can you can

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still do back, Veronica Peters, I don't believe it could

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do better. Yeah, No, demons need to be exercised out

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of people sometimes. Well, this was a good episode. It's

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something West are coming to the surface. The sunlight is

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disinfecting stuff, and I'm here for it. We do now,

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is there anything else that we need to say to

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these beautiful raccoons before we get up on at a

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here Beatrice.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you love our podcast, please do as a

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favor and go to your favorite podcast platform leave us

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a glowing five star review. Really helps us grow the pod,

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and we really like to hear nice things about us.

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Speaker 1: We do very very much.

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Speaker 2: We really appreciate it, so thank you.

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Speaker 1: We are going to be back next week with more

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Sister Wives coverage. We're in season nine. The next episode

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we've got the whole adoption stuff rolling on with Robin's

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kids and also the classic sixty nine moment Robin and Cody,

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so definitely come back for that. Until then, please do

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not forget that we have nothing but love for you

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and peaes. I'll lundy bags h