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In yeah, now, before we get into our enlightened recap,
welcome to platfil b. Just I do have to ask you.
Did you have any takeaways?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Uh Lydia and Zach suck donkey ball like period
suck at the end of story, so self righteous, haughty. Yeah,
I'm like, fuck y'all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, unless we're being fed a line, unless production is
just trying to frame it a certain way, I don't
know either. We'll talk about it when we get there.
My takeaway is like I'm just gonna warn you, especially
all of you who are like hyper triggered by anything
plathfll like myself, but I had so much sympathy for
Kim Plath me too in this episode and realize that
she's kind of been behind the scenes and like figuring
out storylines and making sure the family talks about specific things.
It's interesting to me, Beatrice that she is deciding to
have this be one of her storylines. Yeah, it's either
because she's trying to create riveting television for the rest
of us, and or like she feels it in her
soul that it's time to put this out there because
it has been discussed before, Joshua, what has happened everything
in the family, it's been discussed before. She's been very
tight lipped, but maybe now she's feeling ready to articulate
a little bit of Yeah, she's feeling around it, and
just as she did, I felt her me too, as
a human, as a mom. I didn't think that it
was fake. And so I just want to warn you,
I'm going to have some compassion and sympathy for Complath
in this episode. I mean, I've still got eyes though
I understand a lot of it is dysfunctional. But that's
what I'm going to be bringing to this rec.
Speaker 2: App fair, Okay, I agree.
Speaker 1: Well, without further a Joe, let's get into the recap
of Welcome to Plathfell Season eight, eight, episode ten in tutututute.
Speaker 2: Where the rubber meets the road. Okay, don't know what
that means?
Speaker 1: Well, whatever, I think it's time to get serious.
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 1: I think that's what that means. I guess.
Speaker 2: So we start the episode at Barry's house because he's
getting ready to go on a blind date. Yeah, and
it's kind of funny. He's kind of a total goofball
and he is talking about how he's a little bit
nervous because he hasn't been dating in over twenty seven years.
The last time he did was Kim Blath, so it's
kind of a big deal. And he's talking about like
what he looks for in a woman. He loves a
biblical mystery, whatever that means. And he's like, you know
how many women have read the Book of Enoch? Probably zero?
You're Barry Plath's.
Speaker 1: The Book of Enoch in this bookshelf right over here.
Speaker 2: That's so funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just ordered a t shirt stop with
Sasquatch playing praying the Rosary.
Speaker 2: That's awesome.
Speaker 1: I love it. So I'm a believer.
Speaker 2: You're totally yeah, Barry Plath Stream Girl. And then Barry
has this like little dorky segment where the producers are
asking him what his best pickup lines are, and you
can tell Barry has been laughing so hard that he's
got tears in his eyes, and so he's giving these
dumb ass pickup lines like oh, your hair's flowing, and
then he does his daffy duck impression and I don't know,
I know you probably were cringing, but I was laughing.
I thought it was adorable. I think he's such a goofball.
I know some people are really weirded out by him,
but I'm just like, he's just a bald c three
po like it's fine humor. And then Barry also talks
about like what he would do in terms of physical
intimacy now that he's a bachelor, and he says that
him and Kim actually didn't kiss until they were married,
but now you know, he's loosened up the rules and
he doesn't matter a little smooch in. But he's not
gonna smooch on the first date. That's his hard line,
I guess. And he's also knuck of fuck until he
gets married again.
Speaker 1: That's just a wowser to me.
Speaker 2: That's crazy, especially at his big age.
Speaker 1: I'm like, why, you're fifty seven years old, and I
understand honoring the sanctity of marriage, and I also understand
that you weren't the one to totally detonate your relationship.
That was kim Plath, and in your own way, you
were honoring your partnership with her. But like, Yollo, don't
you want to sample the wearers, sample the goods before
you lock it down again? No?
Speaker 2: For real? And like, I don't know, you're older. It's like,
wouldn't you want to make sure it works well?
Speaker 1: Make hay while the sun is shining or whatever that's saying, Yes,
I do it while you can because you're quickly approaching
the event of complete and total impotence. So like, get
out there and get it, hud.
Speaker 2: No for real, Yola, It's fine. Yeah, I'm sure God's
gonna understand.
Speaker 1: Yet God don't care at all.
Speaker 2: So anyway, he's picking out his outfit. He's gonna go
with a T shirt that shows off his big old muscles.
Speaker 1: He looked kind of good.
Speaker 2: I know, he's got like a nice build on my okay,
mister plaith Daddy. And so then we shift gears and
we go back to the car ride home from Wisconsin.
We have Kim and Lydia still in the car and
we're continuing their discussion from last week, where Kim tells
Lydia that she heard her and Zach are telling people
how to live their lives and what music to listen
to and not to drink alcohol, and what games to
play and what TV shows to watch that will honor God.
And Kim is just, you know, kind of lightly confronting
Lydia about this. She does tell Lydia like, you know,
I'm not trying to start anything. People are calling me
up and telling me about this, so I'm just going
to address it with you. And in the car, Lydia
totally tries to deny this and be like, no, wasn't
like that. But then on the couch, like when she's
talking to the camera, she does admit to how when
they were in Montana, Mariah had a bunch of alcohol
in front of Amber, who is a minor and that's inappropriate.
And then they were playing a card game that was
inappropriate that Lydia would never be comfortable playing, and when
they were watching TV, there was an episode of something
that had more f bombs in it than Lydia hears
at work every day, and she just felt very like
offended and uncomfortable by that because she didn't feel like
they considered her feelings or Zach's feelings, and that was
why she felt justified to confront them about that.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't her that fronted it was Zach.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: It's one thing. If my brother tells me I'm acting
a fool, sure maybe I should do something a little
bit differently because I grew up with that dude. But
to have your freshly wed husband of six months sit
down your sisters and start lecturing them about what they
should watch and consume, et cetera, is wild. And at
the same time, Kim, this is the child that you raised,
and she's parroting the system that you indoctrinated her into.
The decisions and the choices and the moral superiority she's
now demonstrating come entirely from you and from Barry. And
while yes, Kim, you've obviously changed the way that you
live your life like you've got a different perspective. You're
now a drunken adulteresss living with a one eyed racist
in your farmhouse. Like, yes, that's all true, But at
the same time, like, you can't judge Lydia for judging
others when you raised her to judge.
Speaker 2: People, right, Yeah, And I will say I did love that.
Kim actually expressed this, like later in the episode, she
made a comment about how she sees so much of herself,
her younger self in Lydia because she was definitely like
this and she was judging other people and she was
very like heavy in their religion. And now it's you know,
she talks to God as a friend, and now she's
just like it's fine, I've mellowed out, I've aged a
little bit, like I've chilled you know. So I think
Kim is in a weird spot because she did raise
Lydia to be this way and then she blew the
family up, and she's definitely learned her lessons and some
of her lessons and she's chilled out with age in
terms of like the religious structure and stuff like that.
But like, how do you confront that with your kid
who's now married to an ultra religious judgmental now with
a baby doll mouth, Like, how do you confront that?
You know, you can't really she doesn't really have a
place to say to day now at this point, and
so I think Kim is kind of in a weird spot,
you know. I think, like I understand the family judging
Lydia harshly for this, because it's like, why are you
letting your husband lecture everybody else in the family, like
the audacity. It's not like Zach has been married in
this family for ten years and like has more of
a place in the family as a as an established member.
He's literally been there for like five days, right, Like
what the hell?
Speaker 1: Honestly, I think the only person who could check Lydia
in this moment because she does need to be checked. Yes,
Like that attitude is wrong. It's also anti Christ, no
matter what you have to say, especially those people out there,
was like, well, where's supposed to judge the character? Okay,
it's Antichrist though Christ said it, and Isaac actually quotes
the scripture that I love to quote as well. But like,
the person who could check Lydia is Barry. Yeah, because
Lydia has a lot of love and affection and respect
for her father, who I also think she feels Kim
unfairly destroyed. I agree, So she loves Barry and Barry
is also a Christian and he holds his values firm.
But if Barry was the one who said, you know what, Liddy,
you shouldn't be doing this. You shouldn't be saying this
to your sister, you shouldn't allow your husband to be
saying these things to your family. I think that would
go a long way with her totally. But I don't
think Barry's going to because later in this episode, when
they're talking about Ethan Kim and Barry, Barry's like, yeah,
I really don't know how to help him or what
to do.
Speaker 3: Then find the resources, Barry, No, yeah, somebody go to
therapy yourself, Like what can you do to be proactive
to help your tomato faced son and your dysfunctional children.
It's like he's just given up.
Speaker 2: Honestly, Barry would have so much power over the kids, Yes,
if he actually established himself as the patriarch, as the father,
because I do think that the kids were raised to
respect that. But Barry really is and I've said this before.
He's such a fucking passive parent, Like he literally just
takes a backseat to fucking everything. He would rather be
the kind, loving parent, the Disney dad, the Disney dad
in the background, never punishing them, never giving them any
kind of criticism, and just being there. Then actually being
a role model and a parental figure and a figure
that can guide them in a good, healthy direction. Like
he's just sitting there back.
Speaker 1: There working and he's letting Kim take the majority of
the heat for all the mistakes that they both made, right.
Speaker 2: Which is messed up, it is, honestly. So we end
this segment with Kim and Lydia where Lydia says to
the camera, you know, she just feels really misunderstood and
she doesn't feel like her family considers her, you know.
And that's why she brought up the things in Montana
that bothered her, and that's why Zach talked about it,
because you know, they just don't feel missed, they just
don't feel understood. And I'm just like, girl, get out
of here. I have so much shit to say it
about that, But we'll get to it when we get
to the conversation with Isaac and Ethan and Kim. Later
in the episode, we go back over to Florida with
Barry going on as blind date. He meets up with
this petite blonde woman who's kidny and she's forty six?
Speaker 1: Is she?
Speaker 2: She says, she's forty six. I think she's I thought
she looked fine. Oh I'm not gonna.
Speaker 1: Be not a question about whether she looks fine or not.
She looks great, but forty six.
Speaker 2: Are we age shaming? Now?
Speaker 1: We are because all of Reddit is doing it as well.
Nobody believes her. But I just feel like, just own
your age. Honey. You're definitely in your fifties. But like,
who am I to talk? Yeah, but like when I
was at age, I was hot. Oh I was really,
I really was so hot. I'm just like, honey, it's
okay to be in your fifties.
Speaker 2: I thought she looked pretty, Okay, all right, I thought
she looked pretty.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying she didn't look forty six because I
remember forty six and all that I had going on
to Nah, God, I do like it was your look.
Speaker 2: Everybody ages stifferently, and it's all stopped from everyone's beautiful.
Speaker 1: This is the way they are.
Speaker 2: Okay, So anyway, she's forty six, she says, and she's blonde, petit,
and Barry says she's a nice or says she's a
pretty little thing, something like that, something like that. Barry
is obviously physically attracted to her, and he's excited about
this state, and it seems like this chick, her name's Jonah,
is also attracted to Barry shockingly, which I kind of
loved it. I was like, oh, that's kind of cute.
They're totally awkward. Barry is such an awkward goober. I mean,
he's such a goober. And I didn't realize he was
fifty seven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought he.
Speaker 2: Was younger for some reason. So I'm like, hey, okay,
he's my age.
Speaker 1: Yeah I'm fifty eight and I just turned fifty eight,
but like he's literally my age. Yeah, well thank you.
But I mean, yeah, he's actually like Cody Brown. Yeah,
he's actually working out and he's trying to be physically fit,
and I think it shows.
Speaker 2: It looks good on him totally, and Jonah seems totally
into him. They're maintaining eye contact the whole time, and
she's given him a little bedroom.
Speaker 1: Mind little gaga.
Speaker 2: She's like I like, your daddy muscles. Do you lift?
Do you work out? And Barry's like, yeah, I do.
Do you work out? I go to the gym five
times a week And Barry's instantly hard and he's like,
oh my god, it's.
Speaker 1: Got that kind of time to go five times a
week with a job. I know it.
Speaker 2: She's a realtor, she's a mom of four kids. Yeah,
I'm like, okay. Barry's totally into her, and they have
like a nice conversation or whatever. They seem to hit
it off. You know, he talks about his kids because
Jonah did her research before coming on the date, so
she knows about them stuff. And she's like, how many
kids do you have? As if I don't know, and
Barry says something weird. He's like, well, I have a
lot of kids, but it's not in the double digits,
but it's right there before double digits. So I've got
nine kids.
Speaker 1: Okay. That disturbed me, right, because Joshua was and is
your child exactly, So why wouldn't you say I have
ten kids? One of them passed away, but ten kids.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I was trying to give him the
benefit of the doubt here because I'm like, maybe this
is just something that they've all just rehearsed throughout the
years of maybe this is how Kim wanted to cope.
Speaker 1: With everything, which it is not to have to talk
about it.
Speaker 2: Exactly, to just be like, we have nine kids and
that's shitty obviously, but like you know, given the tragic
circumstances and stuff. I was just thinking like maybe that's
how they maybe that's how they kind of address it
talk about it. But anyway, So Jonah, she's in a
Barry Berry's into Jonah. She he says that she's her type,
and she asks him, you know, what are you looking
for in a woman? He's like someone adventurous and someone
who likes to travel and who's fun and outgoing. And
she's like, oh, like me eh and he's like yeah.
And then he asks her out on another date, and
she's hoping that he'll kiss her. He doesn't. He gives
her a nice long hug. He knows that she would
be into making out with him, but he's like, I
gotta save myself, stop it. The next date, he's like,
I want the producers to leave so that way I
can take her out to dinner and make out. With
her or something, and so it looks like they're gonna
have another date.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see how far this goes.
Speaker 2: Yes, I would love for Barry to have a new girlfriend,
and I would love for Kim to be jealous about it.
Speaker 1: I would love it if she's a hot, little chippy,
athletic and fun.
Speaker 2: Totally and look like we're gonna give Kim a lot
of grace in this episode. But I was watching this
date with Barry thinking Kim's gonna be so mad. It's
gonna be so mad watching this bad.
Speaker 1: I think she cares, yeah Barry and who he's dating,
If she's so over him.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think there's somewhere deep down
where she's gonna be bitter because he keeps talking about
wanting petite.
Speaker 1: Yes fit that I think is gonna pay her off.
But I don't think she's like coming from a jealous
place or like not wanting him to be with somebody else.
I don't think she necessarily cares about that.
Speaker 2: I wonder if she's gonna be bitter though, if he
ends up with somebody attractive and young, because she's gonna
be like, what the fuck I left you? Though? You
know what I mean. It's kind of like that idea
of like, I left you, so you're supposed to be unhappy.
Speaker 1: And then what if Ken actually leave? Oh my god,
because she doesn't lose one hundred pounds or whatever he
wants her to do, takes his jukebox and he goes
and lives somewhere else, and then Kim, what are you
gonna do?
Speaker 2: Ken goes and takes his juke bus to the assisted
living facility. It's eighties rock night, guys, let's party, Let's
play shuffleboard and be racist together. God, oh my god,
be terrible. So anyway, after the date, then we have
Barry going over to the farmhouse to talk with Kim,
and he's also bringing back the juicer, okay, which is
so stupid, and they kind of laugh about it, almost
like this was a dumb storyline, like why were we
even talking about the juicer?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: But he goes over there to talk with Kim about
her trip to Wisconsin, like that's pretty much the purpose
of it. And he gets there and her house is
a fucking mess.
Speaker 1: It really was, Beatrice. I was kind of shocked, Yeah,
what's going on? And this I think is further evidence
that Kim at this time in her life might actually
be falling apart a little bit. Yeah, but because she
ran like a much tighter ship before in the farmhouse,
and so it's either her falling apart or this is
how Ken lives and like this is just what they do.
But like, clean your shit up. You've got three little
girls that live there.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: Oh, I was alarmed.
Speaker 2: It was a mess, and I don't know, people have
made some inappropriate comments on Reddit about Kim and her
drinking habits and stuff, and I was just like looking
at all this and I'm like, this is kind of
screaming a little bit, like you're an alcoholic and like
you're just like lazy and just drinking all day. And
again that is further evidence of her life falling apart
and her breaking a bit, because you know, you can
only bottle up all of that trauma and all of
that bullshit for so long. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But if I know a camera crew is going to
be inside of my house when I tell you, I'm
going to be furiously cleaning for an entire week before
they get their deep cleaning, Everything's going to be exactly
where it's supposed to be. Like, I can't fathom a
world where I would let a camera crew pick up
such a mess. It's not horder levels, but it's definitely
like I don't give a shit level totally friendliness.
Speaker 2: And I'm wondering if it is Ken influenced. Yeah, because
Kim wasn't a dirty little grub even when she divorced
Barry and was in her ballet studio, like, it was
nice and it was clean. Yeah, but maybe it's all
Ken's bullshit because he's an old Yeah.
Speaker 1: But when we went to his house in the last
season when she had her boat and she'd go over
to his house to get drunken fuck like, it seemed
to be clean and fairly minimal in terms of decoration.
So like, I just don't know where this is coming from,
but it looked abysmal.
Speaker 2: It's pretty concerning, and honestly, like, I wonder what Barry
thinks about all of it. But maybe he's just like.
Speaker 1: I dodged a bullet glad to be.
Speaker 2: Rid of her. You know, he's just got back from
his date with Jonah, so he's just like whatever, I
don't care, here's your juicer back. But when they sit
down to talk, Kim tells him about her trip to Wisconsin.
She talks about Ethan first, and you know, she asks Perry, like,
do you know how Ethan and Teagan broke up? And
of course Barry's like no, because I'm an absent father,
and she tells him what happened. We all know Tea
went to surprise Eathan for his birthday, drove five hours
or whatever to Minnesota. She shows up. Something happened where
Ethan got triggered and saw Olivia and Teagan, and then
he sped off in his old man car, turned off
his phone, and we hear from Kim he was gone
for twelve hours, twelve hour, twelve hours with no ability
to contact him. Phone off, phone off, and apparently Teagan
was driving around looking for him and couldn't find him. Yeah,
and she spent several hours trying to find him, and
then ultimately was like, Okay, I guess I'm gonna go
back to Wisconsin. So she drove all the way back
and then called him the next day to break up
with him. That was crazy, insane.
Speaker 1: I thought I was just picturing Ethan maybe driving off
for a couple of hours. Yeah, which is already kind
of awkward because Teagan doesn't necessarily know your grandparents, so
she's at your grandparents' farm and what she's supposed to do.
But twelve hours, that's great, Like did she have to
have dinner with that? And then did she sleep there
that night? Just trying to text you and follow your
location or whatever, Like that's just insanity to me, Ethan,
you deserve everything that you get. Yeah, when Teagan ultimately
dumps your ass, which we all know that she does,
I think because she's already with somebody else. Yeah, according
to Instagram, and you deserve it. You're a bad, bad partner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, Like what the fuck is wrong with you? Like,
and it's one thing to be triggered, and you know,
nobody knows how to handle their triggers perfectly. Like obviously
it takes a long time to be able to recognize
your triggers and learn how to react to them properly
where you're not being a toxic asshole. But like this
is so extreme to me for him to be so
triggered that he drives off, Yeah for twelve hours, Like
what the fuck did Tea can do to make you sew?
Speaker 1: Nothing triggered? Nothing, just a little bit of accountability, Like
could you please just tell me what's going on. That's
all she did was just ask him what is when
her world was doing in the moment, and that was
so triggering he left for twelve hours. Crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so when Kim's telling Barry this story, Barry's
obviously shocked and he's like, wow, Ethan's got some shit
that he's got to deal with. Still, he needs to heal.
And then Kim is like, yeah, he also needs to
learn basic communications bills, like what the fuck is wrong
with me?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: And then this kind of leads into a conversation with
Kim and Barry where she says, you know, you and
I were not the best communicators and we kind of
taught our kids this. But ultimately Kim says, I'm the
one that gets blamed for it.
Speaker 1: All.
Speaker 2: You don't get blame for it, but like I'm taking
the brunt of it. And Barry of course is like, yeah, well.
Speaker 1: He does get on camera though, doesn't he and he
does defend her a little bit. Was it during that
or was it.
Speaker 2: It was about Joshua Joshua?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So after this, then Kim tells Barry about her
trip back home with Lydia and Barry asks her, you know,
were you guys able to talk about things like and
because he's aware of the fact that Lydia and Kim
have a dysfunctional relationship right now, and Kim says, yeah,
you know, I did talk to her about going on
those podcasts where she discussed Joshua and how she blamed me,
mainly for not equipping her with the tools to handle
Joshua's death. And then this is where Barry does defend Kim,
and he says something like, she was in a storm
that she couldn't get out of and she didn't know
how to deal with it, right, I mean, it's a
really difficult thing. And then Barry also says something like,
you know, Lydia was only four years old, so like,
how much can you really talk to a four year
old about a concept as big as death, Like you
can really only have so much to talk about it
with them. And you know, I've seen some people be
critical of Barry saying this because four year olds can
still experience extreme trauma, But at the same time, it's
like from a parent, yeah, you can't really have like
an in depth conversation with a four year old about
a traumatic death.
Speaker 1: Like this right, And also you kind of want to
be careful. So if you are talking about it, and
I think they probably tried to, like you, you've got
to frame it in a certain way that doesn't further
traumatize a child who actually witnessed what happened. So it's
a fine line that anybody would have to walk, but
especially a couple of sort of emotionally stunted individuals who
are just overly relying on religion to get them through whatever.
Like they're not going to know what to say. They're
just going to be like, well, let's pray, yeah, exactly,
and hopefully there's going to be some sort of a
breakthrough that they can't facilitate because they don't know how.
And Kim was it sounds like kind of catatonic, Yeah,
just not present at all, dissociating, totally, did not know
how to deal with it. And I can absolutely imagine
how terrible it was for her, So like, yeah, she
would have a difficult time sitting down with her littles
and being like, well, this is what happened, this is
how you should feel about it. Let me help you
with She couldn't even talk. She still can't talk. She
still can't verbalize what she saw that day exactly, and
all these years later.
Speaker 2: She said that multiple times in this episode. She's like,
I have this play by play of that day that's PTSD,
and she says it replays in her mind all the time,
but she can't verbalize it. She can't talk about it
still to this day. It's been seventeen years, Like she
still cannot talk about that. And that's valid, dude, sure,
Like that's totally valid.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't negate that she shouldn't try to of course,
that there's something that's inside of her that she needs
to work through, like, of course, but you also have
to be ready for that, And that's what I was
trying to get at with my takeaway. It feels like
maybe she's ready to do that right now because she's
orchestrating this entire storyline a little bit.
Speaker 2: That's kind of what it felt like.
Speaker 1: Maybe she wants to talk about it finally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like maybe Lydia was the catalyst for her to
finally be able to deal with it, because she has
been totally coasting like this entire time, just not dealing
with it, not handling it, just bottling it up, masking
and masking, and I kind of felt like, in this
conversation with Kim and Barry, Kim is low key resentful
of Barry for not being a good communicator along with her,
because she mentioned something about how Barry couldn't even give
Ethan the sex head talk, like she had to be
the one to talk to Ethan about sex before he
got married to Olivia. And we have that little flashback
from like the earlier seasons or whatever with little blonde,
blonde hair, beardless.
Speaker 1: Johnny apples so optimistic Ethan.
Speaker 2: And he's smiling. I'm like, I haven't seen you smile forever, dude,
You're so depressing and angry now. But yeah, So, like
I think Kim kind of resents Barry for just like
not really being a good communicator, and she gets the
brunt of it from all of her kids and even
from people online, Like, she gets the brunt of a
lot of the blame and stuff, and we've blamed her
for things on this podcast, and I don't know, after
this episode, I was kind of feeling bad too about
some of the things I've said about.
Speaker 1: Her because I like repeatedly call out that she was
the one, you know, responsible essentially for this and yeah,
so she's beating herself up more than anybody else could
ever beat her up.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: And it really hit home with me that for that
year or year and a half, that she was catatonic,
unable to just cope in the most basic of ways.
It was Barrie's duty to stand in the gap for
her and the family. And maybe he did. We don't know,
we weren't watching the show back then. Maybe he did
the very best that he could, but that is what
she needed from him. But my sense is that he
just kept going to work. She had to just click
right back into her pregnancy with Amber. She gives birth
to Amber, Like nobody's really taking care of Kim.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my sense is like Barry probably stood up in
a little bit of ways, Like he probably was still
the provider, so he probably was gone at work for
a lot of the time, and Kim was stuck having
to mother all of the kids and stuff, and like
maybe he tried to talk to some of his kids
maybe a little bit, but like he didn't. I don't
strike him as somebody who was nurturing of Kim's feelings
at all. He probably gave her time, tried.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a robot.
Speaker 2: He's a total robot.
Speaker 1: He should have gotten her into therapy immediately. When you're
in a cult like that, therapy is going to talk
to the pastor having some misogynistic patriarchal asshole tell you
how to feel.
Speaker 2: So and that, like, they were also homeschooling all of
their kids, so Barry probably was like, well, all right,
you're gonna have to still do this, you know what
I mean. So it's just like it's a really terrible situation.
And so then their conversation concludes with Kim bringing up
child support.
Speaker 1: I was so surprised and taken aback. I was that
Barry Plath is not paying his child support. He's paying
fifty percent of whatever he's supposed to be paying monthly
for the three girls, and he's not doing it, and
he says, I don't have it, And I guess the
agreement was that he would make up for any arrears
child support and start to make his one hundred percent
payments when he sold his house, which I just saw
like a few weeks ago, that that fucker is still
on the MLS. I think he's asking six hundred some
one thousand dollars for it or whatever.
Speaker 3: Whack.
Speaker 1: It is kind of whack because it's very dated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean so in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's a beautiful property as well. But like, yeah,
so he's waiting to sell his house before he pays
her child support, which is weird.
Speaker 2: And I'm just wondering how much child support is she
actually wanting. Does he not have the kids for fifty
to fifty also gets the kid's fifty to fifty, so
though he does. I think that's part of their agreement.
And people were on Reddit, We're saying that too. People
were saying that actually is a justification for why he's
only paying half of the child support because he does
have fifty percent custody.
Speaker 1: If he's got fifty percent custody, then he really shouldn't
be paying any child support or it would just be
the difference between what she makes and he makes. I think.
So that's curious to me. I would love to know
the specifics of whatever agreement they hammered out.
Speaker 2: Me too, me too? And is she getting calimony too?
Like how much is she actually getting from him? Yeah,
that's what I want to know. And is she being
greedy or is she like actually advocating for her full amount.
I don't know, because it's Kim Plath too, Like we
have to keep that in mind a little bit with her.
I'm like, and also, why are you bringing it up
on camera on TV?
Speaker 1: She did that last season? She did go when she
wanted that divorce to get finalized and for them to
strike some kind of an agreement.
Speaker 2: Right, So it was just interesting she brought that up.
And then when she brings it up, Berry's like, yeah,
I don't have it, and then he just gets up
and leaves.
Speaker 1: How does he not have it? Though? Yeah, because he's
i think full time employed at a somewhat lucrative job
that used to support him, her, their children, and all
of their multiple properties. Yes, the mortgage is on all
of the properties. So like, he used to be able
to afford all of that. How come you can't plus
whatever you're making for plaith Bill, Yeah, you should be
able to pay your child support, you.
Speaker 2: Think, unless it's a crazy amount. But I'm just like,
that's weird. And he straight up said he couldn't afford it.
So I'm like, are you broke? Like you can't be
broker than Kim who doesn't have a job and she's
married to a retire right is getting social security? Like,
you can't be that bink. So yeah, so I don't know.
It was interesting and so then we flash forward two
weeks later and this is where we get to the
conversation between Kim, Isaac and Ethan.
Speaker 1: This was juicy.
Speaker 2: So Isaac is at the Cairo property. He's building a
bench or something or a bench. Yeah, he's such a
mean he's so handsome.
Speaker 1: He builds, he.
Speaker 2: Works with his hands, he does. And then we have Ethan,
who flew down from Wisconsin and they're there because this
is the one year anniversary of Zach and Lydia's weddings.
I guess they're going to be doing some celebration or
whatever as a family.
Speaker 1: Why.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Cringe, feels like they hate Zach and Lydia, but okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're there because they're going to have a
little conversation with Kim before like this celebration or whatever.
So we check him with Ethan. Ethan apparently found a
therapist in Wisconsin, which I was shocked by me as well,
and I'm actually very very happy me too. I really
hope that he sticks with this therapy.
Speaker 1: I doubt he will I don't know.
Speaker 2: He says he thinks he likes the therapist and it's
good to talk about things and get out of your head.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, please just keep going, yes, please.
Speaker 2: Just keep going. It'll help you not be an angry
piece of shit. Maybe you can grow from it, because
I do think he's got potential to grow.
Speaker 1: Everybody does.
Speaker 2: Everybody does, so I'm very encouraged that he's got a therapist. Now.
He says he's still glad that he moved up to Wisconsin,
even though him and Teagan are not dating and they're
never going to date again.
Speaker 1: No, she's seen him a couple of times at this point.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: He's been there for a few months.
Speaker 2: Yep. So they're friends, I guess according to Ethan. But
he's he's in therapy and that's all that matters. And
Kim arrives, and then this is where Isaac brings up
the road trip that Kim had back with Lydia and
the Montana trip that Lydia and Zach went on off camera.
So Kim says that she heard Zach was on Mariah's
ass for drinking a bunch of alcohol and said that
that's not godly.
Speaker 1: Having alcohol in her home, not necessarily even drinking it.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, Because Kim says, I drink alcohol in front
of him all the time.
Speaker 1: And I wish he would let him try to tell
me about it.
Speaker 2: And it's interesting that he doesn't lecture her about it,
but he's quick to lecture Mariah, right, And I'm like,
Mariah's older than you also, so fuck off, dude. But whatever.
So this is how the conversation starts. Kim says, Zach
is lecturing Mariah about alcohol, and then Isaac says, when
they were in Montana because I guess Isaac and Caylen
went back to Montana, yes, after the trip with Ethan
and Tagan, and this is where they hung out with
Zach and Lydia on that trip. Zach only talked to
the girls when Isaac wasn't around. Fucked up, And didn't
you say last week it was because Isaac would have
checked his ass.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, he would have checked Zach for going after Mariah.
He would have checked Zach for doing it in front
of Kaylin, his girlfriend. He absolutely what have yep.
Speaker 2: And Isaac is frustrated by this because he thinks it's disrespectful.
For one, because Mariah let Zach and Lydia stay at
her house and use her car while they were staying
in Montana. So like, you are being welcomed into this
woman's home and then you have the audacity to lecture
and judge her about not just the alcohol, but the
car games that they're playing, the TV shows that they're watching,
the music she's listening to, everything that she's doing in
her life. Fuck you, that is not honoring God. And
Isaac says something like, you know, normal people know their place, Like,
if you're being welcomed into someone's home, it's not your place,
or you're right to make any comments or judgments about
how they live their lives. You might personally disagree with
some of the things that they're doing, but you're being
welcomed into their home. It's none of your fucking business.
And then he quotes the log in your eye or
the speck in your eye scripture.
Speaker 1: Well, don't pick out this speck in your brother's eye
when you're walking around just redwood logging it, Yeah, in
your own eye.
Speaker 2: And didn't you say that last week too? I think
I did, base yes, And this gets into a conversation
about religion, which I actually really appreciated in this episode
because we hear from all three of them, Isaac, Kim,
and Ethan about how it's mainly Isaac and Ethan talking
about Christianity, how these are the kinds of Christians that
they hate because it's not godly to sit there and
judge everybody else. It's actually pretty fucked up. And Ethan
in particular gets really mad about it. And I thought
this was really great because we know online people are
always shitting on Ethan in particular for being a Christian
nationalist or whatever and being a bigot and stuff, and
I'm just like, here you are. We have Ethan saying
like we shouldn't be judging people like this is not
what real Christianity is.
Speaker 1: Thank you, loved. And I know I've been soapboxing up
about this, least do it more multiple episodes, but this
is the kind of Christian that I feel like we
need to call out, or really the type of Christianity
that other Christians need to call out. And there's always
this and I think, I yeah, in the preview, doesn't
Lydia say something like, well, but God says righteous anger,
yes is okay? Or whatever? Like all of these Christians
who cherry pick scriptures that don't actually originate from the
words of Jesus, which should supersede if you're a Christian,
should supersede any other scripture in the Bible, the Red
Letters in the Bible, should supersede anything that Paul said,
anything that John said, any other book. And yet they
rely on cherry picking in order to continue to judge people.
And this is what I think Zach and Lydia are
doing now. I find that to be odious, yep and repel.
But at the same time, when I was their age,
and I was sold out in radical for Jesus, and
I was literally a missionary to all of these South
Pacific islands. Missionary work in and of itself is arrogant,
and proselytization trying to convert somebody to your religion is arrogant.
But like when I was young, I was doing it too,
because when you're young, you're idealistic, and in Christianity, you're
a young person who loves Jesus and you want everybody
to know. And also you've had the fear of religion
instilled in you. So like, if I don't help my
sister be saved, she's going to a literal hell. So
I feel like I've got to do something. So like,
there's so much fucked up messaging within these systems of
religious groupthink, and you really see Lydia and Zach as
a product of that. Totally. So having the counterpoint of
a young man like Isaac younger than Lydia yep, right, Yes,
being able to quote a scripture and call out his
sister for being is se antichrist yeah, and Unchristian. I
think is so good for somebody like me to see
because I relate to Kim when she's like, I've mullowed out,
I've chilled out. I'm not so much the letter of
the law or pharasitical, if you will. I'm more the
spirit of the law and the love. And that's God
is my friend. Yes, like that's I relate to that,
and I think a lot of us really relate to that,
and much less with this organized religious mouthpiece bullshit. I
have hope for Lydia, yeah, because she seems like an
intelligent girl with a big heart. I have hope for
her that she will come out of this at some
point just as I did, and she will have a
more full and compassionate spiritual experience. But as long as
she's yoked to a guy like Zach, yeah, I worry
a little bit about that.
Speaker 2: I really do think Zach is the negative influence here,
because I think Zach is the one that is making
these judgments and like influencing Lydia to be like this.
And I think Lydia, you know, isn't there like some
scripture or whatever that's like honor your husband or something
like that. Maybe she's trying to be this like good Christian.
Speaker 1: But also husbands you have to serve your wives, right,
It's a mutual.
Speaker 2: Thing for sure. But I think that Lydia is probably
acting as like I've got to be this dutiful wife
and like if this, if my husband says this, then
he's right because God and blah blah blah. Like so
she's just like following suit with this, and I really
hate it. I hate it for her, I hate it
for the family. And I do appreciate that the Plaths
are calling it out and they're they're being pretty articulate
with it and articulate about their faith and everything of
like this is not what Christ preached at all, Like
what are we doing here? And I was watching this
with your daughter, who straight up said like, these are
the types of Christians that turn people away from Christ. Yes,
because people get icked out by this type of Christianity
where you're so fucking judgmental that you're telling people how
to live their lives.
Speaker 1: You're not God, No, you are not. You know what
I was thinking as I was watching this, like maybe
Kim's terrible behavior, having an adulterous affair, allegedly drinking and
partying and doing all the things she's been doing, Maybe
that's actually the pivot that all of the children needed
to extricate themselves from this cult, to cut the cord,
give them permission if you will, not to have to
continue in this system. Like her doing that saved and
even freed these kids. And it's like Hosanna, I think
is still super turbo evangelical, you've got Lydia, but I
think the rest of them have moved away from this
religion for the most part. Like, for example, she seems
like a free thinker, she seems like a truth teller. Yeah,
And I think Cassia and also Mercy are very similar
in that way. So kind of thank God that Kim
made these terrible decisions so her children could be liberated
from her fucked up religion, but you still have you
still have Lydia who's now married to the Kim and
Barry replacement, which is.
Speaker 2: Zach one hundred percent. And actually, when Lydia went on
I think the Matt and Abbey podcast, she talked about
this a little bit about when her parents split up,
like it was kind of like her whole world turned
upside down, and like she did kind of verbalize a
little bit about how it like it just made her
question a lot of things. Of course, I questioned the
way that they grew up and all this stuff. But
then she said that she leaned in harder to her
religious structure and stuff just to have some kind of
foundation because everything changed, of course, And look like I
can have sympathy for that, Like this is a really
big change in their family and their life, and especially
with Lydia being the parentified middle child old, you know,
like this would have been really shocking and detrimentaled her.
So I can't blame her for turning to religion for
the structure. It's just unfortunate that she had to marry an.
Speaker 1: Allegedly gay guy. Got stop saying, well, but he sucks dude, absolutely.
Speaker 2: I like that. No, no, no, no, no. Obviously I'm gay.
I don't think gay people suck. But it's just like
I think, Zach, like, how dare you be so judgmental
of everybody else, like when you don't want people to
judge you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And how dare you both tell your family that
you don't want them to be talking about you and
spreading rumors and then here you are talking about all
of these other people in your family. You fucking hypocrites.
Speaker 2: And Isaac called that out this l which was so
all loved it. And this was in the context, of course,
of Joshua, because Kim brings us up to Ethan and
Isaac about how Lydia went on these podcasts and talked
about Joshua's death in depth and said some things that
Kim felt were inappropriate and too sensitive to the subject matter. Apparently,
according to Kim, Lydia went into extreme detail about like
the events of Joshua's death on that day, and Lydia
also speculated that Joshua's death led to Kim and Barry's divorce,
And Kim does say on camera and to Ethan and
Isaac that that was not the reason why they split up,
and this opens up a conversation about whether or not
Lydia was in the right to say these things publicly,
and according to Kim and Ethan and Isaac, Lydia should
not have gone out publicly talking about such a sensitive,
traumatic subject. And Isaac and Ethan are both under this understanding,
this mutual understanding of like, this was a really traumatic event,
Kim was the one obviously at the hands of it,
and if she doesn't want to talk about it, and
if she doesn't really want to address it in the family,
like that's cool with them. And Ethan even says that
to Kim, says, hey, Mom, if you never want to
talk about Joshua with me ever again, like I'm cool
with that. I'm gonna be okay with it. And then
Isaac says something really nice to Kim, like, Mom, like
you did such a great job raising all nine of
us while going through that, Like I don't fault you
for anything, like I forgive you, I love you, and
you did a great job given the circumstances. And Kim's
really appreciative to hear about that. And obviously Kim says
to the camera, which I think is valid. She says,
you know, I cannot deal with the pain of losing Joshua,
but I can't deal with the pain even more of
losing of hurting all of my children at the same time,
and like not being there for them, Like the guilt,
the overwhelming guilt and shame that I feel is just
too much to bear. And so Lydia or sorry. When
Kim says that Lydia went on these podcasts and talked
about it, it just opened up this wound all over
again for her.
Speaker 1: And I think that that's valid, yep, And I understand that,
But I maintain that Lydia had every right to say
whatever she thought and whatever she felt, because I think,
as I said last week, it's not just your story, Kim,
especially when you had multiple children, if not all of
the children that were also present at the time, some
of whom can remember what actually happened. That's their story too. Yes,
that's their perspective of what happened, and they are entitled
to be able to talk about that, use that as
a demonstration of how to overcome stuff. Also lament that
they were never given their resources to fully process and
heal from that, and like all of that is entirely fair,
but at the same time, two things are true at
the same time, that also would hurt Kim. Yes, and
that to somebody who's been masking for seventeen years, for
somebody who's just been tamping trauma, the worst trauma as
a mom, a parent, I could ever imagine just stuffing
it down like that would be absolutely triggering to somebody
like Kim. Both ladies are entitled to their perspective, and
I think deep down Kim understands this.
Speaker 2: I agree, and I.
Speaker 1: Think Kim knows that Lydia needs to talk about it.
And the reason we have her going to therapy in
the next scene is because she's doing it for Lydia.
She says that, like, I want to be a parent
who can help Lydia through this process because it's obviously
still harmful to her. It's still hurting her, it's still
hurting me. I want to be able to collaborate and
connect with her around that. Yes, So, like all of
it's sad, all of it is traumatic. I understand that
Kim has legitimate PTSD and maybe so does Lydia for sure,
So like, this family needs a lot of help.
Speaker 2: And I went looking on the into whips and the
reddits and the YouTube's to try and find what clips
like Kim was referencing, because Kim talks about this in
these episodes, saying Lydia went into extreme detail and she
was sharing things that were really sensitive that you know,
the family didn't feel was appropriate to be sharing on
such a public platform. And I was like looking online
and I'm like trying to find what Lydia said that
was so harmful, And the clips on Matt Nabby's podcast
and the Jill Duggars podcasts are actually pretty innocuous, Like
they're pretty like Lydia was very i think gracious, where
she was just talking about how this was a really
traumatic thing. It was in the hands of Kim, nobody
could talk about it. That was really hard for her,
you know, But she can't necessarily blame her parents for
that because obviously it was traumatizing. Like, Lydia has a
right to say these things. But I did find a
old Reddit post from like four months ago or whatever
that had a screenshot of the Matt Nabby's podcast where
it had a thumbnail that was Lydia saying, I watched
my brother die and this was the podcast that everybody
was referencing, and I go and look at it, and
they recently changed the thumbnail. Now the thumbnail says like
my family was torn apart or something. So my theory
is that maybe Lydia did actually go into extreme detail
and maybe it upset Kim so much and then they
edited it out and like changed the thumbnail, because that
thumbnail is pretty crazy to say, like I watched my
brother die, Like that's.
Speaker 1: That's pretty graphicative.
Speaker 2: Yes, So I'm kind of one wondering maybe Lydia did
go into too much detail and maybe Kim was uncomfortable
about some of the things that she had said. And
if that's the case, I can understand that. You know,
Kim says in this episode this week that Lydia went
into detail about it and she can't listen to that,
like it's too traumatizing, because Kim obviously already has her
own play by pay moments where she's repeating it in
her mind every single fucking day of her life and
it's too painful for her. So like, I can understand that.
I do think you're right. There's two things here that
are true. Lydia has a right to talk about her
experience because Lydia has said on these podcasts that she
was only four, but she remembers everything. She remembers the
details she remembers seeing Joshua's body. And I saw some
people on Reddit say that Lydia did go into a
lot of detail about it, But I can't find the
clips where Lydia went into detail, so I'm thinking it
got edited. I don't know if somebody has like a
saved clip that you can send us so we can
watch it, because I'm really curious what Kim was so
upset about. My vibe is Kim was triggered. I think
Kim was triggered to have Lydia express her emotions about it.
I think Kim is triggered because, like she says in
this episode, she can't bear the fact that she hurt
all of her children.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also, like it's just the whole thing is terrible. It's
already terrible to lose a child in this way, but
it's terrible even more to know that you weren't being
a good parent because you were traumatized, and you couldn't
be there for your other kids because you were grieving
the worst loss a parent can have.
Speaker 1: Well, what was really poignant to me was during therapy,
and I know we're about to get there.
Speaker 2: Oh, we'll get there right now. Okay, yeah, all right, well, yeah,
Kim goes to therapy.
Speaker 1: Kim goes to therapy with the therapists that tried to
therapize Veronica, Peters and Micah, which not successful. But wow,
Kim is there. What she says is and I thought
this was so so again poignant, She says, I know
what I went through when this happened, and the hell
that I was in and the months and months that
I had to walk through where I was completely emotionally
and physically debilitated. To think that my kids went through
that too and I wasn't able to help them shatters me. Yeah,
it never maybe occurred to her that her kids were
having the same experience on the same level as her,
because she was so myopic in her trauma response. Ye,
she didn't have the bandwidth to pick up on what
was going on with the kids and certainly not to
help them. So here she is, at fifty six or
whatever however old, she is realizing, Oh my god, the
worst thing that ever happened to me that broke me
as a p also happened to my kids, and it
was because of me, because I was the one behind
the wheel. That is what she's dealing with. Yes, because
she knows she's a broken person. Of course she's acknowledging
in these episodes. We don't know how to talk. There's
something wrong with us fundamentally, and then to make the
connection that, oh, I'm the one who made my kids
this way, and what if they are to this day
still struggling with this, like Lydia is because she's not
on podcasts, yeah, talking about her pain around it and
that pain touches my pain, yes, activates my pain. Now
it's alive again, and I don't know what to fucking
do with it exactly.
Speaker 2: And like Kim said last week, what really hurt her
the most was that Lydia felt more comfortable going on
these public platforms talking about such a painful, traumatic thing
instead of talking to Kim.
Speaker 1: Well, Kim would not have been able to hear it
the course, and Lydia knows that.
Speaker 2: And I think Kim knows that too, Like she knows
she hasn't been able to talk about this for seventeen years,
and so like the whole thing is just painful, and
like I'm of two minds here, Like, again, Lydia is
allowed to talk about her experience, but Kim. You know,
it's it's unfair for Kim to have put maybe a
spoken or unspoken expectation on all of her kids to
just not talk about this because it was too painful.
Because Lydia says on these podcasts that nobody was allowed
to talk about it in front of Kim that if
they ever talked about it and Kim like entered the
room or whatever, everybody had to kind of stop talking
about it. And I don't even think that that was
like a malicious thing or like that Kim got mad
at them for it. It was just so painful that
the family had this understanding and this expectation to just
not bring it up in front of Kim because she
would be devastated or she would have a tromper response
or whatever. So like it's unfair that that was put
on the kids. Yes, that they couldn't express their feelings
around this death because everybody experienced the death. It's unfair
about that, But I don't even think it was put
on them in a way that was like like mean
or malicious or whatever. I think Kim was just deeply traumatized.
And I think the other thing is that the older
kids understand that at a better level than Lydia still does.
I don't think Lydia could have understood it at four
years old. I don't think she really understands it now
as an adult. The older kids get it, and I
think they've always got it of like mom did this
and it was an accident, and she feels so much
guilt and shame, like we're just gonna deal with it individually,
and like that works for some people, Like I get
that as an older sibling, Like there are some things
that I just like don't bring up to my parents
because I know it would be hurtful for them. And
I'm not saying that in like a bad way. I'm like,
I'll just deal with it on my own because I
know it would hurt them, and I have that understanding.
I think Lydia doesn't really get that. And I think
maybe that's like the root of this is that like
Lydia went and talked about it on a public on
two public podcasts, and so then you have like all
these clips like circling around, and so of course, like
Kim is going to see that and it is going
to be hurt by that. And I'm like, did you
call your mom and tell her that you're going to
talk about this?
Speaker 1: She might have. Maybe that's how Kim knows that the
podcast happened. Maybe, But also I have respect for Lydia
for being the disruptor, sure, and then going like, I'm
going to talk about it, right, y'all can stay in
your secret places and do your dysfunctional, tomato faced things,
but I'm going to actually talk about it, and maybe
through my talking about it, I will help somebody else
get through it or try to find a way to
process this kind of thing in a more healthy and
productive way.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so like you need a Lydia, Like because Lydia
said it, Kim reacted to it. Now, Kim's at therapy.
Now we're going to have a conversation about it, and
then the family needs to have this conversation. So at
the the end of the day, it is actually a
good thing that Lydia did it.
Speaker 2: And I agree with that, and I think it was
actually really cool that we ended the episode with Kim
going to therapy for that reason, and she tells a
therapist that, like I want to be able to talk
about this. I can't verbalize it right now, and I'm
having a hard time. And the therapist was pretty cool
because she does confront Kim about it, like being like, well,
Lydia's putting you on blast because she's basically saying like,
she needs this from you, and has she asked you
or told you what she needs from you? And Kim's
like no, And the therapist is like, well, have you asked
her what she needs? And Kim's like no. And so
obviously that's the other issue here is that you know,
Kim couldn't have even been like, hey, hmm, do you
need to talk about this? Like Kim was just busy
dealing with it on her own. And I get that.
I understand why she was dealing with Beatrice.
Speaker 1: It's all fucked up, and that's all it is.
Speaker 2: It's so fucked up.
Speaker 1: It's all fucked up. Everybody fucked up.
Speaker 2: And she talks about being pregnant with Amber.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I didn't know that she was pregnant at
the time of Joshua's death, which is fucking insane. And
so then Joshua dies and then she has to give
birth to Amber a couple months later, and she says
that she thought it would get better after the birth
of Amber, but like she was so heavy in her
grief that she couldn't even like bond with Amber. She
couldn't sing to her, she couldn't even look her in
the eye. I was so sad to hear that.
Speaker 1: I had a tearball when she said I couldn't sing
to her.
Speaker 2: I was so sad, and like dealing with postpartum on
top of that, Like, it's just Kim's a traumatized person.
And I know a lot of people and like, we
have been hard on Kim, but I know a lot
of people on Reddit are even worse about their opinions
about Kim heartless, but there are some people that are
being like, you know what, even though I don't like her,
I can still give her grace with this and I
would never judge her for her reaction to something as
horrific as this. And it's awful. So anyway, Kim's hurting,
she's in therapy. Everybody's sad. And so we have the
preview for next week. We have Kim telling Lydia that
now she's finally ready to talk about Joshua, which is
really cool. We have Ethan arriving with Teagan.
Speaker 1: Why Teagan, you don't like this boy, you don't want
this boy, you don't end up with this boy? Why
are you still on camera here? Goblin ded Yes, okay.
Speaker 2: And she's always she's like wearing this like shirt with
her titties out and stuff, and I'm just like, what
are you doing if you're not willing to get back
with Ethan. But they arrive at the family farm because
they're gonna sit down and talk to Zach and Lydia.
I'm like, why does Teagan gotta be there for that?
Speaker 1: Because I think Zach said some things about Teagan. Oh
my god, are we gonna bring it up? I believe
we are.
Speaker 2: And so when everybody sits down to confront Zach and Lydia, Mariah.
Speaker 1: Gets up and I'll be in the kitchen.
Speaker 2: I think that's kind of funny. I don't want the confrontation.
She's like, peace out. And this is where Ethan tells
Zach that he is overstepping, and Zach, of course, has
been the victim, and he's like, I guess like everybody
hates me in the family.
Speaker 1: Right, I hate you, dude? Yeah, I don't like him
at all. I'm over it me too, And it kind
of gave me the vibration of I'm just like Olivia,
like they've always got to have a villain in this family, yep,
and so that's me now, I guess I'm like, no, actually,
you suck though, and what you did with Mariah was
bad and judgmental, and you're on then ice anyway, and
these people don't know you.
Speaker 2: So slow your role, dude, slow your role. And I
don't know why everybody's got to compare themselves to Olivia
being like, but I'm not the villain. I plus family
just needs a villain. Veronica says this too.
Speaker 1: Veronica was a villain, a bona fide villain.
Speaker 2: And now Zack, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean Zach has aspects that I mean, he's
a young kid. Same with Olivia, Like, there's a lot
of things you're doing wrong, but you can you can
still do back, Veronica Peters, I don't believe it could
do better. Yeah, No, demons need to be exercised out
of people sometimes. Well, this was a good episode. It's
something West are coming to the surface. The sunlight is
disinfecting stuff, and I'm here for it. We do now,
is there anything else that we need to say to
these beautiful raccoons before we get up on at a
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