WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.080 --> 00:00:03.359 All right, let's get a dry time. Monday afternoon. 2 00:00:03.480 --> 00:00:05.919 We are looking at about twelve minutes past the hour 3 00:00:05.960 --> 00:00:06.719 of two o'clock. 4 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:09.320 It is hot, man. I just landed. 5 00:00:08.919 --> 00:00:12.679 From the great Pacific Northwest, stepped off the plane and 6 00:00:12.759 --> 00:00:16.399 realized that it's very much summer, the dog days of 7 00:00:16.480 --> 00:00:18.519 summer here in Salt Lake City, Utah. We are looking 8 00:00:18.559 --> 00:00:22.679 at about ninety six degrees in sunny on this Monday afternoon, 9 00:00:22.679 --> 00:00:24.239 and as it is every single day, it's going to 10 00:00:24.280 --> 00:00:25.320 have you along for the riots. 11 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:25.800 Bence check. 12 00:00:25.879 --> 00:00:28.160 It's back behind the mic during a little time off 13 00:00:28.160 --> 00:00:28.960 to Friday off. 14 00:00:28.960 --> 00:00:29.760 But good to be back. 15 00:00:30.640 --> 00:00:33.159 Shout out to porter for holding it down and everybody 16 00:00:33.159 --> 00:00:34.960 else for holding it down while I was gone. 17 00:00:35.039 --> 00:00:36.640 And my goodness, did I miss a lot. 18 00:00:37.719 --> 00:00:40.439 I was kind of in the middle of nowhere Pacific 19 00:00:40.439 --> 00:00:43.840 Northwest without a lot of cell service. And when I 20 00:00:44.000 --> 00:00:46.280 kind of got back into reality saw all the news 21 00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:49.719 about the transactions in pro basketball. The Utah Jazz have 22 00:00:49.799 --> 00:00:53.359 been busy. They're making another transaction. 23 00:00:52.880 --> 00:00:55.159 As we speak. We'll tell you what that is and 24 00:00:55.799 --> 00:00:56.719 what could be next. 25 00:00:56.759 --> 00:00:58.960 So a lot of NBA today, a lot of NBA 26 00:00:59.439 --> 00:01:01.439 free agent fallout as a free. 27 00:01:01.240 --> 00:01:02.359 Agency has begun. 28 00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:06.359 Free agency is here, and Austin Ainge is putting his 29 00:01:06.400 --> 00:01:09.560 fingerprints on this team, as. 30 00:01:09.400 --> 00:01:10.599 We expected him to do. 31 00:01:10.719 --> 00:01:10.840 So. 32 00:01:10.920 --> 00:01:13.519 The rookies did report No, ayst Bailey did. 33 00:01:13.359 --> 00:01:15.120 Not refuse to come to the Salt Lake. He is 34 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:17.840 here and summer League is upon us. 35 00:01:17.840 --> 00:01:20.400 So we'll get to know these young men and see 36 00:01:20.400 --> 00:01:22.680 what the plan is for Austin and his staff as 37 00:01:22.719 --> 00:01:26.920 they move forward with their roster construction. So we'll do 38 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:29.359 some NBA, we'll do some jazz, we'll do some offseason 39 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:33.359 free agency, some drafts, and then the news came down 40 00:01:33.359 --> 00:01:36.040 the Jake rerhetz Laugh has been telling his coaches and 41 00:01:36.079 --> 00:01:39.400 teammates that he is transferring and the civil lawsuit that 42 00:01:39.480 --> 00:01:41.239 was filed against him has been drafted. 43 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:43.560 That came down earlier today. 44 00:01:43.680 --> 00:01:45.840 Kyle Bond of Gura, friend of the show, Pete Damil, 45 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:48.439 and of course our friend's over at the Salt Lake Tribune, 46 00:01:48.519 --> 00:01:51.760 Kevin Reynolds, making sure they're taking care of that story. 47 00:01:51.760 --> 00:01:54.040 Doing a great job, and it's really too bad in 48 00:01:54.079 --> 00:01:57.519 a lot of different ways. I will reiterate what Shaun 49 00:01:57.560 --> 00:01:59.840 had to say during our crossdock portion. This is not 50 00:02:01.079 --> 00:02:03.959 a situation where I find it appropriate to dunk on anybody. 51 00:02:03.959 --> 00:02:06.719 I think it's a bad look. I just think it sucks. 52 00:02:06.760 --> 00:02:09.439 I think it sucks where everybody involves. There just isn't 53 00:02:10.120 --> 00:02:11.919 any winners here at the end of the day. So 54 00:02:11.960 --> 00:02:14.479 we'll talk about it on the program. It's one of 55 00:02:14.560 --> 00:02:16.680 my most un favorite things to cover as a media 56 00:02:16.719 --> 00:02:19.479 member in state honor code violations at BYU, Like what 57 00:02:19.520 --> 00:02:20.159 do you do with that? 58 00:02:21.280 --> 00:02:23.560 Everybody knows the deal man, everybody knows the. 59 00:02:23.439 --> 00:02:26.639 Deal and if you know you're not willing to kind 60 00:02:26.639 --> 00:02:28.479 of tow the line down there, you probably should look 61 00:02:28.520 --> 00:02:30.280 to find a different place to go to school, as 62 00:02:30.319 --> 00:02:35.520 I've always said. But busy show RSL. We'll get to 63 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:37.759 a little RSL on the program today. They're going to 64 00:02:37.840 --> 00:02:41.240 be back in action with actually kind of a busy, 65 00:02:41.319 --> 00:02:44.639 busy schedule moving forward because the June slate was so light. 66 00:02:45.240 --> 00:02:47.919 They only had two games of Jim and they're starting 67 00:02:47.919 --> 00:02:50.479 to get healthier. See what happens when they get diego 68 00:02:50.520 --> 00:02:52.280 back and hopefully Mecha Nelly gets. 69 00:02:52.080 --> 00:02:53.080 Back soon as well. 70 00:02:53.919 --> 00:02:55.599 So we'll do a little soccer on the program and 71 00:02:55.680 --> 00:02:58.120 do a little RSL on the program. Of course, one 72 00:02:58.240 --> 00:03:01.319 I always on the off season the NFL and pro football, 73 00:03:01.319 --> 00:03:03.960 but it's kind of a quiet time for that right now. 74 00:03:04.039 --> 00:03:06.800 RSL was able to get a draw at Children's Mercy 75 00:03:06.840 --> 00:03:09.080 Park over the weekend one to one, and. 76 00:03:09.039 --> 00:03:10.719 Now they're going to take on Saint Louis. 77 00:03:10.800 --> 00:03:14.000 They've got actually five of the next six games at home. 78 00:03:14.120 --> 00:03:16.680 Wait a second, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, 79 00:03:16.800 --> 00:03:20.120 eight of the next nine games at home. Oh all right, 80 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:22.840 So a lot of RSL here in the market is 81 00:03:22.879 --> 00:03:24.520 they're going to be home for most of their matches 82 00:03:24.560 --> 00:03:25.039 over the next. 83 00:03:24.919 --> 00:03:25.680 Couple of months. 84 00:03:26.000 --> 00:03:28.879 All right, good guest list today on a Monday, Happy 85 00:03:28.919 --> 00:03:30.960 Monday to you. Hope you had a great weekend off 86 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:33.719 to a great start to that work week. We'll bring 87 00:03:33.719 --> 00:03:36.919 in Tim Bontemps right off the top. Timmy covers the 88 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:39.840 NBA for ESPN. He's on the Hoop Collective podcast. We'll 89 00:03:39.840 --> 00:03:43.960 get his thoughts on the Colin Sexton transaction. Yusuf Nurkic 90 00:03:44.240 --> 00:03:46.520 and you had to attach a second to Colin to 91 00:03:46.560 --> 00:03:48.599 make the trade kind of caught me off guard a 92 00:03:48.639 --> 00:03:51.639 little bit. The Jazz are working on a buyout that 93 00:03:51.680 --> 00:03:55.080 actually just became official, so Jordan Clarkson is now a 94 00:03:55.120 --> 00:03:58.039 free agent. The rumors are out there that he will 95 00:03:58.039 --> 00:03:59.800 sign with the New York Knicks, who, by the way, 96 00:03:59.879 --> 00:04:02.960 do not have a coach. So Jazz making moves, Austin 97 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:05.560 Ainge making moves. The NBA Finals and the NBA Draft 98 00:04:05.639 --> 00:04:08.080 is behind us. So we'll do a little primer today 99 00:04:08.080 --> 00:04:12.759 with Timmy bon Tabs. Tom Haverstrow, consistent Monday guest of ours. 100 00:04:12.759 --> 00:04:15.000 Tom wrote a really cool piece, well, I should say, 101 00:04:15.080 --> 00:04:20.120 really insightful piece on this weird Malik Beasley situation where 102 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:23.600 he's the subject of a federal gambling investigation. Malik played 103 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:26.319 a little ball here just for a little bit before 104 00:04:26.319 --> 00:04:28.240 he was moved off of and had a really good 105 00:04:28.319 --> 00:04:33.199 year actually in Detroit. But another weird story based off 106 00:04:33.240 --> 00:04:36.639 of players being caught maybe doing some inappropriate things as 107 00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:39.560 far as fixing lines and such to make a little money. 108 00:04:39.560 --> 00:04:41.439 So we'll see what Tom has to say about that. 109 00:04:41.920 --> 00:04:43.959 We'll bringing Amy Donaldson. It's been a while since we've 110 00:04:43.959 --> 00:04:45.959 been able to catch out with Amy, our friend from KSL. 111 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:47.639 We'll bounce around a little bit with Amy, do a 112 00:04:47.639 --> 00:04:54.120 bunch of different things. Kurt Schmidt, RSL roster constructor technical director. 113 00:04:54.160 --> 00:04:56.560 I've lose track of the names over there, but Kurt 114 00:04:56.600 --> 00:04:58.519 is the guy in charge making the decisions. 115 00:04:59.040 --> 00:04:59.800 We'll talk about the. 116 00:04:59.800 --> 00:05:03.120 Draw against ask C, and then we'll look out to 117 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:04.920 Saint Louis and we'll see how healthy. 118 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:05.439 The group is getting. 119 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:09.000 As RSL badly in need of points, they do have 120 00:05:09.040 --> 00:05:11.160 four points over the past two games, which is a 121 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:12.560 good sign in the right direction. 122 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:13.920 So we'll bring Kurt in today. 123 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:17.920 As well, so Tim Bond, Temps, Tom Haberstrow, Amy Donaldson, 124 00:05:17.959 --> 00:05:20.199 Kurt Schmidt, Mee Spence, Jackets back by the Mike. 125 00:05:20.319 --> 00:05:21.160 Great to be back. 126 00:05:21.680 --> 00:05:24.279 Thanks for giving Porter your attention and speaking to Porter. 127 00:05:25.079 --> 00:05:26.839 I was Friday. I heard you have a little adventure. 128 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:30.519 Oh yeah, we were just a tad bit out of 129 00:05:30.519 --> 00:05:33.600 the neighborhood down in Spanish Fork. But it was a 130 00:05:33.639 --> 00:05:36.279 good time and as you mentioned, we had plenty to 131 00:05:36.399 --> 00:05:38.959 get to all of the Jazz draft stuff, all of 132 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:43.560 the trade talk gathering on Friday, and of course at 133 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:47.399 that point the Ace Bailey stuff was I thought the 134 00:05:47.560 --> 00:05:50.480 entire time much of a non story, but that was 135 00:05:50.519 --> 00:05:52.639 kind of the part of the show, was trying to 136 00:05:52.680 --> 00:05:56.120 explain that to a lot of the listeners who were concerned. 137 00:05:56.160 --> 00:05:58.959 As you know, during the show Friday, all that kind 138 00:05:58.959 --> 00:06:01.800 of got cleared up and that was the basis of it. 139 00:06:01.839 --> 00:06:03.720 But a good time down in Spanish Fork with our 140 00:06:03.759 --> 00:06:05.279 friends at Tim Dally. 141 00:06:05.560 --> 00:06:07.879 Very nice, very nice. So our first guest today will 142 00:06:07.920 --> 00:06:10.879 be Tim Bontems. But before Tim stops by courtesy of 143 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:13.199 our good friends and your good friends too at Prize Picks, 144 00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:15.120 it's Tom now for your opening tip. 145 00:06:15.759 --> 00:06:18.199 Welcome to the Drive with Spence check its on Utah's 146 00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:21.600 number one sports talk now into the studios of ESPN 147 00:06:21.680 --> 00:06:24.240 seven hundred to set the scene for the show. The 148 00:06:24.279 --> 00:06:26.319 opening tip of the Drive is brought to you by 149 00:06:26.360 --> 00:06:30.639 Prize Picks. Use the code ESPN seven hundred and run 150 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:32.480 your game with Prize Picks. 151 00:06:33.360 --> 00:06:36.000 So, as I referenced, I left town and a lot 152 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:41.160 happened over the weekend. Busy busy weekend of local sports storylines. 153 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:43.079 We'll get to the Jake Rretz off Yu stuff a 154 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:45.879 little bit later on. Have some thoughts on that what's 155 00:06:45.920 --> 00:06:49.040 next for BYU? What's next for Jake as this whole 156 00:06:49.079 --> 00:06:52.399 situation probably is something that everybody involved is ready to 157 00:06:52.519 --> 00:06:56.360 move on from. But the Utah Jazz led by Austin Ainge, 158 00:06:56.399 --> 00:06:59.560 are making some moves. So it's pretty clear. As we 159 00:06:59.600 --> 00:07:03.439 discussed last week prior to the NBA Draft. Austin Ainge 160 00:07:03.480 --> 00:07:06.959 has not had a hand in this roster construction up 161 00:07:07.040 --> 00:07:09.360 until he took the job, obviously, so he is not 162 00:07:09.600 --> 00:07:13.720 married to any of these players. There's probably just no loyalty. 163 00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:16.319 I don't mean that to sound harsh. It's just like 164 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:18.319 all of these players are going to be on the table, 165 00:07:18.759 --> 00:07:20.839 and if we're honest, most of them have been on 166 00:07:20.879 --> 00:07:24.959 the table. Colin Sexton certainly a name that a lot 167 00:07:24.959 --> 00:07:27.920 of people have been watching for potentially to get moved. Well, 168 00:07:27.959 --> 00:07:30.079 he's on his way to Charlotte in exchange for use 169 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:33.480 of Nurkic, and then the Jazz actually had to attach 170 00:07:33.519 --> 00:07:36.399 a second round pick to Colin to make that move, 171 00:07:36.439 --> 00:07:39.000 which caught me off guard. I mean, Colin Sexton is 172 00:07:39.040 --> 00:07:40.519 a good basketball player. 173 00:07:40.560 --> 00:07:42.839 There's a lot to like about Colin. He played pretty 174 00:07:42.879 --> 00:07:43.240 well here. 175 00:07:43.279 --> 00:07:46.839 I mean he was a nineteen point night guy, ended 176 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:49.319 up shooting over forty percent from three last year, which 177 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:50.240 was a career high. 178 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:51.800 The usage stuff. 179 00:07:51.519 --> 00:07:53.680 Isn't great, and he's one of these guards on this 180 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:56.000 roster that isn't a great defensive player and doesn't have 181 00:07:56.040 --> 00:07:59.920 great size. So I wasn't too surprised to see Colin 182 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:01.800 and hear the news that Colin had been moved on 183 00:08:01.920 --> 00:08:05.279 from I just completely thought they'd be able to get 184 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:07.399 more than use of Nurkic. He was a shell of 185 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:09.879 his former self and he was never really that good anyway. 186 00:08:10.639 --> 00:08:12.800 But he is a backup big and maybe you know 187 00:08:12.959 --> 00:08:17.120 he and Walker Kessler practicing together, you know, a veteran 188 00:08:17.600 --> 00:08:22.240 center that can help walk her out. But also Nurkic 189 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:25.759 is more expensive than Colin as far as his salary goes, 190 00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:28.480 not by a lot, but the Jazz actually took back 191 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:31.079 more money than they sent out with Colin Sexton and 192 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:34.000 they had to attach his second round pick. Now, the 193 00:08:34.039 --> 00:08:36.720 main motivation here is actually really simple. We don't really 194 00:08:36.799 --> 00:08:39.759 have to overthink it. It is pretty clear, at least 195 00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:41.840 from my understanding some things that I've read and some 196 00:08:41.919 --> 00:08:45.039 discussions I've had, the Jazz really like. And by the way, 197 00:08:45.080 --> 00:08:47.799 it's Walt Clayton Junior, not Walter. He told us at 198 00:08:47.799 --> 00:08:51.279 his introductory press conference. He prefers Walt. I think this 199 00:08:51.360 --> 00:08:54.039 kid's gonna play, and I think one of the reasons 200 00:08:54.039 --> 00:08:55.799 they made this deal. In fact, I would say the 201 00:08:55.799 --> 00:08:58.519 main empetus for the decision making process was to open 202 00:08:58.600 --> 00:09:01.200 up minutes for Walt, and they're going to play Isaiah. 203 00:09:01.240 --> 00:09:03.720 I mean Isaiah started a number of games last year, 204 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:06.360 Keyonte got a lot of minutes off the bench, even 205 00:09:06.399 --> 00:09:09.120 with Colin Sexton and Jordan Clarkson, who, by the way, 206 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:11.519 is also no longer a member of the Jazz. The 207 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:15.000 Jazz have reached a buyout agreement with Jordan, so today 208 00:09:15.080 --> 00:09:19.120 no Colin Sexton, no Jordan Clarkson. And essentially as far 209 00:09:19.159 --> 00:09:22.399 as the value in return, yeah, I think they probably. 210 00:09:21.960 --> 00:09:23.759 Could have done better for Colin. But if they could have, 211 00:09:23.759 --> 00:09:25.279 they would have. It's not like they were looking for 212 00:09:25.320 --> 00:09:25.919 a bad deal. 213 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:29.200 Ultimately, this just opens up minutes for the young guards, 214 00:09:29.200 --> 00:09:32.000 more minutes for Isaiah, more minutes for Kiante, and more 215 00:09:32.039 --> 00:09:36.600 minutes for Walt probably and just opening up opportunities for 216 00:09:36.639 --> 00:09:39.639 these young players to play. Because remember, if we take 217 00:09:39.679 --> 00:09:42.879 Austin at his word during his introductory press conference when 218 00:09:42.919 --> 00:09:46.639 his response to Sean's question about manipulate eight minutes and 219 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:49.600 losing on purpose, you will not see that this year. 220 00:09:49.919 --> 00:09:50.240 Okay. 221 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:53.799 So really what they're doing is they are going to 222 00:09:53.960 --> 00:09:56.679 play these young players almost exclusively. 223 00:09:56.720 --> 00:09:57.120 In a way. 224 00:09:57.159 --> 00:10:00.200 It's what Washington did for a while last year. They 225 00:10:00.200 --> 00:10:02.279 brought in some vets. They've got Chris Middleton, They've got 226 00:10:02.360 --> 00:10:05.000 Marcus Smart. Now they have CJ. McCollum. But last year, 227 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:07.159 you know, it was a lot of Palel Coolibali. It 228 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:10.000 was a lot of really young Washington players because they 229 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:12.799 were playing for Draft Capital, just like the Jazz, but 230 00:10:12.919 --> 00:10:15.639 unlike the Jazz, Washington didn't go about it in a 231 00:10:15.639 --> 00:10:18.480 way where they were manipulating minutes and making up injuries 232 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:22.080 and sitting players that are healthy. Then Jazz did that. 233 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:24.360 You can ask in the league find them. So I 234 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:26.720 just think when you look at how this is going 235 00:10:26.799 --> 00:10:29.480 to go, you are going to see a lot of 236 00:10:29.559 --> 00:10:31.159 Walt Clayton junior. You're going to see a lot of 237 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:34.039 Isaiah Collier and Chiante George and Bryce s and Sibon, 238 00:10:34.159 --> 00:10:37.080 Cody Williams and hopefully Taylor's healthy and obviously Ace will 239 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:39.559 get TOAs in a minute. So those are the two 240 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:43.320 transactions that the Jazz have made that are official. Colin 241 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:46.759 Sexton is a Charlotte Hornet. Jordan Clarkson has been bought out. 242 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:49.919 They draft Ace Bailey, they draft Wall Clayton junior, and 243 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:51.679 I just think you're going to see a lot of 244 00:10:51.720 --> 00:10:53.720 young kids play man. I just think that's the deal. 245 00:10:53.759 --> 00:10:56.159 It's going to be a lot of youth. It's going 246 00:10:56.200 --> 00:10:59.200 to where on will hardy. Coaches don't like playing rookies. 247 00:10:59.200 --> 00:11:01.240 They don't like playing you young players because you cannot 248 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:04.320 trust them, and it will look really rough next year 249 00:11:04.360 --> 00:11:05.399 in a lot of different ways. 250 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:07.440 And that's probably by design. 251 00:11:07.919 --> 00:11:10.879 And I'm certain they're looking at next year's draft and 252 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:12.960 hoping that maybe they can get a little luck next 253 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:16.039 year that they didn't get this year. And then potentially 254 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:18.559 if that goes down, if you can get one overall 255 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:20.480 and say it's the debansa kid is going to play 256 00:11:20.480 --> 00:11:22.840 at BYU, then we got something right. Then we've got 257 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:25.120 something as far as how this thing is going to 258 00:11:25.200 --> 00:11:27.320 go all right before we catch a break. The Ace 259 00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:31.120 Bailey stuff was interesting because I gotta be careful here 260 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:32.679 because I'm sure I was part of the problem. I mean, 261 00:11:32.679 --> 00:11:36.519 I wasn't reporting anything. I was just reading and listening 262 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:40.080 to reactions across the board. And I've heard a lot 263 00:11:40.120 --> 00:11:42.720 of people just crack on ESPN for this specifically. 264 00:11:42.759 --> 00:11:45.159 It wasn't just ESPN. There was an athletic report. 265 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:48.759 There were several people on social media that surmised that 266 00:11:48.879 --> 00:11:51.279 Ace very much did not want to come and play 267 00:11:51.399 --> 00:11:55.120 basketball and solid for the Utah Jazz personally can't cooperate 268 00:11:55.200 --> 00:11:57.320 any of it. We did talk about it on Thursday 269 00:11:57.320 --> 00:12:01.240 before I left town, but you do about nothing. I'm 270 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:03.240 not sure that I would go that far, because remember, 271 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:05.840 we don't know really what goes on behind the scenes. 272 00:12:06.320 --> 00:12:08.399 And the most recent example I can use is the 273 00:12:08.440 --> 00:12:12.200 Donovan Mitchell situation where our guy just blew up that roster. 274 00:12:12.360 --> 00:12:15.679 He blew up that iteration of jazz basketball because of 275 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:18.200 the way he conducted himself behind the scenes. 276 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:21.480 And him deciding whether it was whatever. 277 00:12:21.879 --> 00:12:23.879 The senator Adams I don't can't remember if he was 278 00:12:23.879 --> 00:12:25.960 a senator, but the you know, one of our state 279 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:30.080 legislators with some very tone deaf, unfortunate comments that when 280 00:12:30.120 --> 00:12:32.559 I heard him, may usa, Oh dude, you just don't 281 00:12:32.559 --> 00:12:35.080 say that out loud. You know, you can keep your 282 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:38.360 opinions to yourself if you want to. But that iteration 283 00:12:38.440 --> 00:12:40.919 of jazz basketball was blown up by one person. This 284 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:43.279 was not Danny Ainge rolling in here and deciding to 285 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:46.320 break it down. This was not justin Zanik deciding that 286 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:47.200 that team was done. 287 00:12:47.279 --> 00:12:50.080 This was Donovan Mitchell, essentially. 288 00:12:49.639 --> 00:12:51.879 Telling him, telling people, I am out of here as 289 00:12:51.919 --> 00:12:54.159 soon as I have the ability to make the decision, 290 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:57.679 Quinn Snyder himself saying no pathway forward. 291 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:01.320 So like, it's what I've heard a lot of mostly team. 292 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:03.600 Employed people talk about, Oh, you know, the trade thing, 293 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:07.080 there's nothing. There might be something there, But what's this 294 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:09.559 kid gonna do not show up and report. I mean, 295 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:11.919 obviously he's going to show up and report and sign 296 00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:13.879 his contract and be a part of summer League. 297 00:13:14.120 --> 00:13:15.480 I don't know if he wants to be here. If 298 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:16.440 he doesn't want to be here. 299 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:20.000 I think the story was reported maybe in some circles 300 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:22.480 a little inappropriately, But the fact of the matter is, 301 00:13:23.320 --> 00:13:26.679 in this league, as Richard Smith talked about and Gordy 302 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:29.440 talked about during Draft night when we did our draft coverage, 303 00:13:29.879 --> 00:13:32.320 if you want to work for the business of the 304 00:13:32.440 --> 00:13:36.639 National Basketball Association, they assign you to an office for 305 00:13:36.679 --> 00:13:39.759 the first seven years of your career. And we can debate, 306 00:13:39.799 --> 00:13:41.600 and I have debated in the past, whether. 307 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:43.399 Or not that's right, whether or not that's just. 308 00:13:44.120 --> 00:13:46.279 I've always said, if you're among the best at what 309 00:13:46.360 --> 00:13:48.279 you do in the world, you should have a say 310 00:13:48.279 --> 00:13:51.000 and where you do that thing. But in the ecosystem 311 00:13:51.039 --> 00:13:53.200 of pro basketball. It takes you seven years during that 312 00:13:53.279 --> 00:13:55.799 right and honestly, it's not all that different. I mean, 313 00:13:55.799 --> 00:13:57.919 how many people right out of school or whatever for 314 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:01.639 the first job land exactly where they want to be 315 00:14:01.799 --> 00:14:04.320 doing exactly you know, what they want to do for 316 00:14:04.360 --> 00:14:05.360 the people they want to do. 317 00:14:05.320 --> 00:14:08.240 It for it. That's not how life works, So say 318 00:14:08.279 --> 00:14:08.679 what you want. 319 00:14:08.720 --> 00:14:10.399 I mean, the Jazz are gonna have a seven year 320 00:14:10.480 --> 00:14:16.279 runway unless something goes bizarrely sideways to convince Ace that 321 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:18.960 he can accomplish whatever he wants to accomplish here in 322 00:14:19.039 --> 00:14:22.720 Saut Lake, so he reports all the noise seems to 323 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:24.840 have kind of gone away, and now we get summer 324 00:14:24.919 --> 00:14:26.679 league and we'll see how he looks. The Jazz have 325 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:29.080 released their summer league roster. Will tell you who that is, 326 00:14:29.399 --> 00:14:30.879 or I should say we will tell you who is 327 00:14:30.919 --> 00:14:34.120 on that list. They also released Johnny Juzing today. That's 328 00:14:34.120 --> 00:14:37.039 not that big of a surprise. So the Austin ange 329 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:39.919 era as the primary voice and decision maker for the 330 00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:42.320 roster construction the Utah Jazz has begun. 331 00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:45.559 So it did just become official. The Jazz have reached 332 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:46.440 a biot. 333 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:49.039 Agreement with Jordan Clarkson, who will now become a free agent. 334 00:14:49.120 --> 00:14:51.840 According to our very own Sarah Todd from the show, 335 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:54.600 she's hearing that the New York Knicks might be the 336 00:14:54.679 --> 00:14:55.960 landing spot for Jordans. 337 00:14:55.960 --> 00:14:56.840 So we'll get back to that. 338 00:14:57.000 --> 00:14:58.879 Of course, a lot to do with our first guests 339 00:14:58.919 --> 00:15:01.440 right out of the gates. One of our favorites, Tim 340 00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:03.799 bond Temps from ESPN. Tim, Happy Monday man, how are 341 00:15:03.799 --> 00:15:04.080 you doing? 342 00:15:05.039 --> 00:15:06.240 Are you well? 343 00:15:06.279 --> 00:15:08.279 Appreciate the time, So let's just start with that. 344 00:15:08.399 --> 00:15:12.240 Jordan Clarkson, who by all accounts has been great here 345 00:15:12.279 --> 00:15:15.120 as a vet that this organization is really embraced and 346 00:15:15.159 --> 00:15:18.600 really really enjoyed having here, probably had his best year 347 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:20.559 under Quinn Snyder when he won six Man of the 348 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:23.200 Year a number of years ago. And you know, Tim, 349 00:15:23.279 --> 00:15:25.200 you and I have talked about this, if we're honest, 350 00:15:25.879 --> 00:15:29.600 He's been available for probably three years, but no market 351 00:15:29.639 --> 00:15:32.120 for him as he hit the buyout market. And like 352 00:15:32.159 --> 00:15:34.639 I said, Sarah Todd is reporting the New York Knicks 353 00:15:34.679 --> 00:15:35.639 might be the landing spot. 354 00:15:35.679 --> 00:15:37.639 What are your thoughts on that? Tim? 355 00:15:37.840 --> 00:15:39.600 Yeah, I mean I think if you go back to 356 00:15:40.879 --> 00:15:44.080 Austin Age's intro presser and he talked about you know, 357 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:48.799 we're not gonna intentionally manipulate lineups. Well, you know, and 358 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:51.639 after intentionally the manipulate lineups a few remove the veteran 359 00:15:51.679 --> 00:15:54.600 players and allow the young players to play through mistakes. 360 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:57.279 And I think that is what the Jazz are pretty 361 00:15:57.279 --> 00:15:59.120 clearly doing. I mean, they moved down to Collins sexon 362 00:15:59.159 --> 00:16:02.480 the other day, they moved now from Clarkson. I assume 363 00:16:02.519 --> 00:16:04.720 at some point somewhere think it easily happen with John 364 00:16:04.759 --> 00:16:07.399 Collins and you know there, I think we're going to 365 00:16:07.440 --> 00:16:10.440 see a lot of these young fellows playing this season 366 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:12.320 for Utah, And I think it makes a lot of sense. 367 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:16.240 You know, let Walter Clayton play through mistakes, Let you know, 368 00:16:16.360 --> 00:16:18.840 let Anthony George go out there and do stuff, and 369 00:16:19.000 --> 00:16:21.200 you know, let these guys they say, Klier, et cetera. 370 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:24.440 You know, let them all grow and develop and play 371 00:16:24.519 --> 00:16:27.159 and and get better. And you know, at the same time, 372 00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:29.320 it's probably going to accomplish the other goal team is 373 00:16:29.399 --> 00:16:31.279 likely going to have, which is to not have a 374 00:16:31.399 --> 00:16:34.320 very good win loss record and have one more crack 375 00:16:34.399 --> 00:16:39.159 at a high pick. So you know, makes sense, makes 376 00:16:39.159 --> 00:16:40.639 sense for Jordan now a chance go be on a 377 00:16:40.639 --> 00:16:42.720 contending team we'll see if it's the next or somebody else. 378 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:45.480 And I think I think it sort of makes sense 379 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:46.559 across the board for everybody. 380 00:16:47.080 --> 00:16:49.080 I agree and move let's move over to the section 381 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:49.720 and stuff. 382 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:52.759 You know, another player Tim that certainly could have been 383 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:55.159 traded at any point over the past, probably, I don't know, 384 00:16:55.240 --> 00:16:58.600 the three years. I was a little surprised they had 385 00:16:58.639 --> 00:17:01.279 to attach a set is a good player. I mean, 386 00:17:01.600 --> 00:17:03.240 you know, this is not an All Star, but he 387 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:05.920 played well here about nineteen points a night shout over 388 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:09.079 forty PC from three. The decision making at times can 389 00:17:09.119 --> 00:17:12.279 get suspect. He's not a great defensive player, but they 390 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:14.440 have to attach a second rounder to him to send 391 00:17:14.519 --> 00:17:16.400 him to Charlotte in order to bring in use of 392 00:17:16.480 --> 00:17:19.039 Nurkic that I think that's just an expiring deal. 393 00:17:19.160 --> 00:17:21.000 I don't know what else as far. 394 00:17:20.880 --> 00:17:22.680 As the motivation goes, But give me your thoughts on 395 00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:23.359 that transaction. 396 00:17:24.680 --> 00:17:27.440 Yeah, I think it was the exact same thing. I mean, 397 00:17:27.599 --> 00:17:31.079 you know, the Jazz have a bunch of guards and 398 00:17:31.119 --> 00:17:33.920 they want to play him, and you know moving on 399 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:37.839 from Clarkston and Sexton allows them to do that easily, 400 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:42.519 not any issues. And yeah, look, I really wasn't too overly, 401 00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:45.000 too concerned about the one second, I think if you 402 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:48.880 look at, you know, where the Jazz sit, it was 403 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:51.599 obvious why they'd be looking to move on from Sexton. 404 00:17:51.640 --> 00:17:54.519 And I'm sure the Horits saw that and said, you know, hey, 405 00:17:54.519 --> 00:17:55.759 if we're going to do it when he give us 406 00:17:55.799 --> 00:18:00.640 a second. But I don't, you know, I can understand 407 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:02.880 why people go by and answing home and pick. I 408 00:18:02.920 --> 00:18:07.039 get that, but you know, I'm sure I'm sure Charlotte 409 00:18:07.039 --> 00:18:09.200 looked at the situation and saw what was going on too. 410 00:18:09.279 --> 00:18:12.759 And you know, the truth is, there's not that many 411 00:18:12.799 --> 00:18:16.759 places you can necessarily send Colin Sexton. I think if 412 00:18:16.799 --> 00:18:19.200 they there was value in the market forum, they certainly 413 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:23.960 would have gotten it. So I think, you know, again, overall, 414 00:18:24.640 --> 00:18:26.440 you move him out of the way, you move Clarkson 415 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:29.000 out of the way, You play Kyer and George and 416 00:18:29.640 --> 00:18:33.039 obviously especially Walter Clayton junior, and you roll forward, and 417 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:36.920 I think I think it accomplished the goal that the 418 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:40.839 Jazz had for what they were trying to do. And 419 00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:42.240 I think you saw more of the same today. 420 00:18:42.920 --> 00:18:44.720 So Ace Bailey is the pick. 421 00:18:44.839 --> 00:18:47.720 Tim The Jazz made that pick at five, and I 422 00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:49.839 think a lot of people around here really excited for 423 00:18:49.880 --> 00:18:54.240 the potential. You know, Jonathan Cavoni and the Sam Vassini, 424 00:18:54.400 --> 00:18:56.279 a lot of these, a lot of the mock draft 425 00:18:56.279 --> 00:18:58.839 guys about five six months ago actually had As in 426 00:18:58.839 --> 00:19:01.319 the mix for like number two outside of Cooper Flag 427 00:19:01.359 --> 00:19:03.559 and it's like, where's he gonna go? Of course, his 428 00:19:03.559 --> 00:19:06.960 teammate Dylan Harper separates himself. He's the second overall pick. 429 00:19:07.480 --> 00:19:10.559 But I want to know what your understanding is about 430 00:19:10.599 --> 00:19:13.920 the story that was surrounding Ace after the Jazz drafted him, 431 00:19:13.960 --> 00:19:17.599 where it was reported that his agent refused. 432 00:19:17.160 --> 00:19:17.920 To give a comment. 433 00:19:18.440 --> 00:19:20.440 I think it was to you guys over at ESPN 434 00:19:20.440 --> 00:19:23.160 about whether or not they're excited to have As in 435 00:19:23.240 --> 00:19:25.200 saw Lake City, and Tim, you've been coming on the 436 00:19:25.240 --> 00:19:27.160 show for six years, you know the deal. We want 437 00:19:27.160 --> 00:19:30.079 you to like us so badly. Sometimes it's a little ridiculous. 438 00:19:30.119 --> 00:19:33.200 But you know, there was even some people that surmised 439 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:34.839 he might not even report. 440 00:19:35.279 --> 00:19:36.599 Well, that wasn't the case. 441 00:19:36.839 --> 00:19:39.440 He flew in on time, He gave his pressure and 442 00:19:39.599 --> 00:19:42.680 seems like a really sweet kid. He's excited to be here. 443 00:19:42.720 --> 00:19:45.079 Do I know exactly what's happening behind the scenes. No, 444 00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:46.839 I have no frame of reference for that, but I 445 00:19:46.839 --> 00:19:49.319 wonder what your understanding is of that entire dynamic. 446 00:19:50.920 --> 00:19:54.079 Yeah, here's what I would say. I would say that, 447 00:19:54.559 --> 00:19:59.839 you know, what ultimately matters is the last part, right 448 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:02.960 and my you know, as Jonathan and I were reporting 449 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:06.680 on that story last week, my belief the entire time 450 00:20:06.920 --> 00:20:09.200 was that if we got to the point where Race 451 00:20:09.240 --> 00:20:12.359 Bailey got to Salt Lake City and was was around 452 00:20:12.920 --> 00:20:15.799 well already in Austin Age and Ryan Smith and you know, 453 00:20:16.079 --> 00:20:19.759 with the with the rest of the jazz organization, and 454 00:20:19.799 --> 00:20:22.279 with Walter Croyton also, who I thought was a very 455 00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:25.480 good pick up on the jazz in the draft, I 456 00:20:25.519 --> 00:20:28.640 thought all this stuff would eventually sort of ad away, 457 00:20:29.039 --> 00:20:33.200 and I think it will in time. You know, obviously, 458 00:20:33.319 --> 00:20:37.559 during the draft process, it was quite clear that Ace's 459 00:20:37.720 --> 00:20:40.480 camp had a pretty clear idea of what they were 460 00:20:40.480 --> 00:20:43.039 trying to do, which I think the general consensus was 461 00:20:43.039 --> 00:20:46.039 to get to Washington, and they did not get to Washington. 462 00:20:46.680 --> 00:20:50.359 And you know, like I said, I think that led 463 00:20:50.359 --> 00:20:55.680 to a little a little bit of uh interesting circumstance 464 00:20:55.759 --> 00:20:58.880 for a couple of days. But but your read on 465 00:20:58.960 --> 00:21:01.839 Ace is what I think anyone's read on him that's 466 00:21:01.839 --> 00:21:03.519 been around him is that he's just sort of a 467 00:21:04.400 --> 00:21:07.279 you know, pretty gregarious and friendly guy. And I think 468 00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:11.039 he'll he's the kind of personality that I think fans 469 00:21:11.039 --> 00:21:14.839 will really like as a player. And look, he's obviously 470 00:21:14.839 --> 00:21:17.160 a guy who's a big swing and a toolbox for 471 00:21:17.240 --> 00:21:19.960 the player. And I would argue that he probably landed 472 00:21:20.039 --> 00:21:23.039 in the single best spot he could land in where 473 00:21:23.039 --> 00:21:26.200 there'll be no real pressure on him. It's sort of 474 00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:29.039 obviously Salt Lake City is not, you know, playing for 475 00:21:29.039 --> 00:21:33.720 the Knicks, and he'll be out of the way, and 476 00:21:33.759 --> 00:21:36.279 he's playing for a great coach and Will Hardy who 477 00:21:36.839 --> 00:21:39.359 will put him in the best positions he can to succeed. 478 00:21:40.039 --> 00:21:46.160 And you know, I think ultimately the long term situation 479 00:21:46.279 --> 00:21:48.839 for him is going to be a really positive one. 480 00:21:48.920 --> 00:21:52.039 And whatever his potential is as a player, I feel 481 00:21:52.039 --> 00:21:54.480 pretty confident that, you know, whatever he's going to be 482 00:21:54.480 --> 00:21:56.920 in the NBA, he'll come as close as he's going 483 00:21:56.920 --> 00:21:58.759 to be the hitting it playing for Will and playing 484 00:21:58.759 --> 00:21:59.279 for the Jets. 485 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:02.200 That last part I wanted to follow up on you 486 00:22:02.200 --> 00:22:04.480 you kind of answer the question, but let's unpack it 487 00:22:04.519 --> 00:22:06.279 a little bit away from the drama and just honed 488 00:22:06.359 --> 00:22:09.240 it on the player as you've learned more about him. 489 00:22:09.680 --> 00:22:12.000 I don't love comps, but if you have some comps 490 00:22:12.039 --> 00:22:14.440 out there, like what should the fan base know about 491 00:22:14.480 --> 00:22:18.079 his potential and should he develop and stay healthy and 492 00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:19.680 all the things fall into place, what. 493 00:22:19.599 --> 00:22:21.480 Do you think that looks like in the NBA? 494 00:22:22.440 --> 00:22:24.440 Yeah, I mean, I'm going to stay a little bit 495 00:22:24.480 --> 00:22:27.039 away from comps just because I mean I've seen him 496 00:22:27.039 --> 00:22:28.839 play a couple of times in person. But I'm not 497 00:22:29.279 --> 00:22:32.400 Jonathan your bony from a draft standpoint. But what I 498 00:22:32.440 --> 00:22:35.920 will say is like you don't need comps to look 499 00:22:35.960 --> 00:22:38.160 at him and see what the potential is, right, which 500 00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:43.200 is to be a big rangey wing. You know, the 501 00:22:43.240 --> 00:22:47.920 guy he measures closest to is Jason Tatum. Like, obviously, 502 00:22:47.920 --> 00:22:49.960 if he turns into Jason Tatum, the Jazz will be 503 00:22:50.039 --> 00:22:53.839 very happy, right, whether it's Tim or Paul George, like 504 00:22:54.319 --> 00:22:59.440 the name the big scoring wing that can you know, 505 00:22:59.559 --> 00:23:01.839 handle the ball and shoot it and make tough shots. 506 00:23:01.920 --> 00:23:06.440 Like you know that that's obviously a hugely valuable and 507 00:23:06.519 --> 00:23:11.200 highly coveted player, and you know there's obviously a lot 508 00:23:11.240 --> 00:23:14.920 of swing and miss potential on that. Like we've seen 509 00:23:14.960 --> 00:23:18.440 a lot of guys like him get drafted that are 510 00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:22.039 a project and the project doesn't work out right. But 511 00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:24.559 like I said, I think when you look, when you 512 00:23:24.559 --> 00:23:27.480 look where the Jazz are sitting, but sitting with the 513 00:23:27.480 --> 00:23:30.319 fifth pick, they fall down in the draft, they fall 514 00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:32.599 out of the top three or four like they'd hoped 515 00:23:32.599 --> 00:23:36.480 to be all season, and as you said, correctly, all 516 00:23:36.559 --> 00:23:39.440 year long, Ace was a consensus top three guy. For 517 00:23:39.559 --> 00:23:41.319 him to fall from three to five, and for the 518 00:23:41.400 --> 00:23:44.119 Jazz to get a guy that when the lottery happened, 519 00:23:44.119 --> 00:23:46.279 if they'd picked, if they'd gotten the third pick in 520 00:23:46.359 --> 00:23:49.119 the draft, it would have been widely assumed they'd take 521 00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:52.440 Ase Bailey. I think that's a win for the Jazz, 522 00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:55.640 and I think it was the Other thing I'll say 523 00:23:55.720 --> 00:23:58.720 is I think Austin Ainge deserves a lot of credit, 524 00:23:59.240 --> 00:24:01.799 and the Jazz front office and scouting group deserves a 525 00:24:01.799 --> 00:24:05.119 lot of credit because nobody had any idea of what 526 00:24:05.160 --> 00:24:08.240 the Jazz we're going to do going into the first 527 00:24:08.319 --> 00:24:13.559 round last week. And I think that they deserve a 528 00:24:13.599 --> 00:24:16.400 lot of credit for, you know, keeping their stuff quiet 529 00:24:16.440 --> 00:24:20.119 and not anybody know what's going on, And they deserve 530 00:24:20.160 --> 00:24:22.720 credit for taking a swing on a guy that didn't 531 00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:25.480 work out, and you know, wasn't exactly clear how it 532 00:24:25.559 --> 00:24:27.799 was going to play out, and they bet on their 533 00:24:27.839 --> 00:24:29.799 process and bet on the talent, and now we'll see 534 00:24:29.920 --> 00:24:31.000 if the talent works out. 535 00:24:30.920 --> 00:24:31.279 In the end. 536 00:24:31.799 --> 00:24:34.160 Just ask you one more follow up jazz question before 537 00:24:34.160 --> 00:24:38.279 we move on, because as you have articulated, and I 538 00:24:38.279 --> 00:24:40.079 am on board with and I agree with it, just 539 00:24:40.359 --> 00:24:42.720 it does appear they are clear in the deck and 540 00:24:42.759 --> 00:24:44.599 this is going to be a team that leans into 541 00:24:44.640 --> 00:24:46.079 their youth and there's going to be a lot of 542 00:24:46.119 --> 00:24:48.920 young players playing a lot of big minutes, and I'm 543 00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:50.880 sure Will Hardy is going to be a little frustrated 544 00:24:50.920 --> 00:24:53.599 from time to time. Coaches don't love rookies and young players. 545 00:24:54.359 --> 00:24:56.960 But they still have a John Collins on the roster. 546 00:24:57.039 --> 00:24:58.920 They still have a lowry marketing on the roster. I 547 00:24:58.960 --> 00:25:00.200 don't know that I've ever been in the who like 548 00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:02.880 they should trade marketing camp and just reset the clock, 549 00:25:02.960 --> 00:25:05.599 because he really is very good when he's right, and 550 00:25:05.799 --> 00:25:08.000 he actually has, you know, teammates that know how. 551 00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:09.079 To play pro basketball. 552 00:25:09.119 --> 00:25:12.079 But they're they're they're do you know, I'm not doing 553 00:25:12.079 --> 00:25:14.279 the windhorse what's going on in Utah thing, Tim, But 554 00:25:14.319 --> 00:25:16.599 I'm doing something like it. Do you think there are 555 00:25:16.599 --> 00:25:18.400 other moves on the horizon for this team? 556 00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:22.440 I mean, certainly I think that John Collins, I would 557 00:25:22.519 --> 00:25:24.799 I don't know this to be sure, this is just 558 00:25:24.880 --> 00:25:27.160 me looking at it, but I would say John Collins 559 00:25:27.160 --> 00:25:31.680 following following Jordan Clarkson and Colin Sexton out the door 560 00:25:31.680 --> 00:25:35.039 as another vet, you know, to get out of the 561 00:25:35.079 --> 00:25:37.680 way of some younger guys playing. Could make sense. Now 562 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:40.799 the Jets have a lot more guards and perimeter players 563 00:25:40.799 --> 00:25:42.960 than they do big so that category at this point. 564 00:25:43.039 --> 00:25:47.480 So maybe John John Collins sticks around. And I certainly 565 00:25:47.480 --> 00:25:49.000 don't think they're going to be in a rush to 566 00:25:49.880 --> 00:25:51.759 you know, get rid of lowry market and just to 567 00:25:51.759 --> 00:25:54.039 do so. So I think if there is a loarry 568 00:25:54.039 --> 00:25:55.680 market and trade out of match, it's going to be 569 00:25:55.720 --> 00:26:00.559 for him getting quite a bit of value back. And yeah, 570 00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:04.160 in general, like you said, I think the division for 571 00:26:04.240 --> 00:26:06.200 this is very clear. And I mean I had a 572 00:26:06.200 --> 00:26:08.039 lot of people ask me the same sort of the 573 00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:10.079 same question you had about the secretary. Why you know, 574 00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:14.559 surprised they gave up a second rounder, but the you 575 00:26:14.599 --> 00:26:17.559 know again, I think that's sort of a negligible cost 576 00:26:17.599 --> 00:26:21.319 and the overall direction here is very clear, and frankly, 577 00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:23.519 I think it's been very clear from the moment Austin 578 00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:27.279 got asked about, you know, tanking and what the plan 579 00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:30.160 was going forward. Right the second he said that, a 580 00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:33.559 lot of people latched onto we're not going to do 581 00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:36.759 that as we're not going to tank, which I don't 582 00:26:36.759 --> 00:26:38.319 think the Jazz are going to tank, but what they 583 00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:40.720 are going to do is what you said, which is 584 00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:44.039 leaning to their young players and allow them to play 585 00:26:44.039 --> 00:26:46.039 and play through mistakes. And that's probably going to lead 586 00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:48.799 to the healthy amount of losses, but it's also going 587 00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:53.160 to I think, create a you know, a more fun 588 00:26:53.559 --> 00:26:56.480 I would say, atmosphere for fans to be watching the games, 589 00:26:56.519 --> 00:26:59.839 because instead of you know, sort of what has gone 590 00:26:59.839 --> 00:27:02.319 on last year or two down the stretch a couple 591 00:27:02.319 --> 00:27:05.880 of years before and then most of last season, you know, 592 00:27:05.960 --> 00:27:07.440 it's just going to be the young guy's plane and 593 00:27:07.519 --> 00:27:09.119 then you'll let the chips fall what they may is 594 00:27:09.160 --> 00:27:10.240 the season plays out. 595 00:27:10.519 --> 00:27:12.240 Actually, one more Jazz thing I want to get your 596 00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:12.720 thoughts on this. 597 00:27:12.799 --> 00:27:16.680 They did end up trading three second round picks and 598 00:27:16.799 --> 00:27:19.440 essentially swapping their first round pick just to move up 599 00:27:20.079 --> 00:27:22.079 three spots to take well and by the way. 600 00:27:22.119 --> 00:27:22.559 It's Walt. 601 00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:24.559 He told us all during his press conference. He wants 602 00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:26.559 to be called Walt, so we will call him what 603 00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:31.680 he prefers. And look, that's probably a little too much 604 00:27:31.799 --> 00:27:33.839 to move up just three spots. But the other thing 605 00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:35.839 is like if he's the guy, right, Like, if you've 606 00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:38.200 identified that that's your guy, go get them, you know 607 00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:42.039 what I mean. So your thoughts on attaching three second 608 00:27:42.119 --> 00:27:44.480 round picks and that first, just to move up three 609 00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:46.039 spots to take walk Clayton Junior. 610 00:27:47.319 --> 00:27:49.200 Yeah, I mean it's they moved. They used the three 611 00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:51.440 seconds to get up and get Clayton. And look, we'll 612 00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:54.839 see if seconds become more valuable as talent comes back 613 00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:57.720 in the draft in the coming years, but seconds probably 614 00:27:57.759 --> 00:28:00.200 matter as little as they ever have with the way 615 00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:02.599 the second round has been turned into a two way factory. 616 00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:08.039 So I don't mind the cost of that. Again, if 617 00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:11.160 Clayton has becomes their long term starting point guard, which 618 00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:12.880 I think he very well could. I'm a very big 619 00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:16.920 Clayton fan. Sure, then I you know, the cost of 620 00:28:16.960 --> 00:28:19.920 that is negligible. Now, moving up is always a risk, 621 00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:23.240 and paying that cost is always a risk because if 622 00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:25.240 it blows up in your face, it's double wamby because 623 00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:27.400 you don't like you end up. You don't like to 624 00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:29.160 miss on a pick, and you don't like to pay 625 00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:31.400 the cost of having to move up to do that. 626 00:28:32.480 --> 00:28:34.799 For somebody, it doesn't work out. But I like the fit. 627 00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:38.359 I think, especially for a young team, having a guy 628 00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:40.559 who has played as much as he has and has 629 00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:43.920 the leadership qualities that he does, I think will be 630 00:28:43.960 --> 00:28:46.440 a great thing for the Jazz. Would not shock me 631 00:28:46.480 --> 00:28:49.640 if he quickly becomes the long term starting point guard 632 00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:52.440 for Utah, and I suspect he's going to be a 633 00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:55.680 guy Jazz fans are happy to watch for a long time. 634 00:28:55.599 --> 00:28:56.119 All right, Tim. 635 00:28:56.160 --> 00:28:59.640 So typically when everybody has the same take, I'm a 636 00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:02.599 little bit skeptical is if that's the right tick to have. 637 00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:05.640 But it's been a few days now since the draft, 638 00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:10.039 and look, maybe Derek Queen is Jokic junior. Maybe he's awesome, 639 00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:13.119 Maybe he turns into a great player for the Pelicans. 640 00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:16.519 I just don't understand how you can't even attach like 641 00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:19.640 a top four or a top five protection to what 642 00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:22.319 they sent to Atlanta to move up ten spots. And 643 00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:25.559 maybe I'm missing something, but you know, this is one 644 00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:28.000 of these things where it just feels like everybody has 645 00:29:28.039 --> 00:29:30.400 the same opinion and that opinion might be right. Like, 646 00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:33.759 what do you think the mindsight is for Joe Dumars 647 00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:35.759 and the Pelicans with a deal they made on draft night. 648 00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:39.480 Yeah, I mean everyone's opinion is correct. I mean there's 649 00:29:39.519 --> 00:29:41.920 not a lot of there's not It's pretty hard to 650 00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:46.559 justify that trade. The value proposition just is not there 651 00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:49.279 for to war. So it's a remarkable deal for you 652 00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:52.240 for Atlanta, which has had a remarkable week. I mean, 653 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:55.599 Chris has Persingis was a very good pickup for them. 654 00:29:56.799 --> 00:29:59.599 Love the work they did in the draft. It seems 655 00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:02.400 like they got decent chance to get to kill Alexander 656 00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:04.640 Walker from the Wolves. If they could do that and 657 00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:08.000 sign him this week, that would be a pretty massive pickup. 658 00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:12.599 And yeah, I mean, look, Derek Queen could become a 659 00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:15.960 great player. He's obviously very talented guy. You could do 660 00:30:16.039 --> 00:30:20.559 a lot of different stuff at the ball. But the 661 00:30:20.720 --> 00:30:23.720 value proposition there of moving up ten spots and giving 662 00:30:23.799 --> 00:30:26.720 up an unprotected first and one that if you ask 663 00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:29.160 people in the league, is projected to be the top 664 00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:32.480 half of the lottery pick. I mean that pick's got 665 00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:35.680 a good chance of being a ping punk ball pick 666 00:30:35.759 --> 00:30:41.079 next year, meaning one that's in the top four. That's 667 00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:44.559 that's just way too steep a price to give up. 668 00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:47.240 And I mean, like you said, you just sort of 669 00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:50.240 asked about the Jazz giving up three seconds to move 670 00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:56.039 up three spots, right, not completely unprotected first round pick 671 00:30:56.079 --> 00:31:00.359 and a very good draft next year with you know, 672 00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:04.559 in a situation where the Hawks even stayed in the 673 00:31:04.599 --> 00:31:07.319 first round. I mean, it's just it's hard to fathom 674 00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:07.960 on every level. 675 00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:11.559 Yeah, no, I'm with you there, all right, So a 676 00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:13.559 lot has been making and maybe we just need to 677 00:31:13.599 --> 00:31:17.720 always lean into any story that has attached to Lebron 678 00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:21.559 Lebron James. He opts in and then there are conversations 679 00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:24.039 about you know, Rich Paul makes some comments that he 680 00:31:24.039 --> 00:31:25.640 wants to compete for a championship. 681 00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:29.079 You know, maybe they do move up off of him. 682 00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:31.400 I have no idea, But what's your take on just 683 00:31:31.400 --> 00:31:34.559 the entire Lebron dynamic opting in then the noise that's 684 00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:36.920 kind of surrounded out over the past few hours. 685 00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:41.519 I suspect Lebron James be playing with Luka Doncic with 686 00:31:41.559 --> 00:31:45.279 the Lakers in the fall. I don't really see another 687 00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:48.319 way this is going to go. If Lebron had really 688 00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:50.680 wanted to explore the studio space, he could have easily 689 00:31:50.680 --> 00:31:54.279 opted out of his deal. He did not. It's very 690 00:31:54.319 --> 00:31:57.240 hard to trade anybody making fifty three million dollars, even 691 00:31:57.279 --> 00:32:00.880 if you're motivated to. There's really reason for the Lakers 692 00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:03.799 to be motivated to. Because Lebron has no trade clause. 693 00:32:03.880 --> 00:32:05.880 They couldn't trade them really if they want to without 694 00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:08.519 his consent on both the location and the trade coming back. 695 00:32:08.599 --> 00:32:11.119 That makes it extremely difficult to trade them again. If 696 00:32:11.119 --> 00:32:13.079 there's a role where the Lakers wanted to trade them, 697 00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:16.519 I'm sure there is not, and so I suspect the 698 00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:18.759 Lakers are thrilled to opted in or thrilled to have 699 00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:21.240 one of the best fifteen or so players on the 700 00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:24.279 planet still on their team, and we'll be excited to 701 00:32:24.279 --> 00:32:27.480 have him and Luca play together in the fall. 702 00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:29.759 I would agree with that. It feels like the noise 703 00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:32.480 around Giannis is quieted. Is that fair? Do you think 704 00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:33.519 there's still something there? 705 00:32:35.480 --> 00:32:37.480 I think it's in the same place it's been, which is, 706 00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:40.599 let's see where the Bucks are at after free agency 707 00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:43.839 and then we can maybe assess what the overall situation is. 708 00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:46.240 But Giannis hasn't asked out. There has been no change 709 00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:48.880 in that situation, and you know they got Bobby before 710 00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:50.480 his sign We'll see what else they do, and I 711 00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:52.559 think when the dust settles, we'll see where the bucks 712 00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:54.799 are at and then we'll see if Giannis decides to 713 00:32:56.359 --> 00:32:58.400 change his tune at all. But for now, yeah, I 714 00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:02.000 mean he's expected to be there and they got Porous done. 715 00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:03.680 We'll see what else they could do in the coming 716 00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:07.640 hours and days to fill out the roster around him 717 00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:09.440 and see how competitive they could be in the East. 718 00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:13.160 Why do you think there's been this increase in player movements. 719 00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:15.079 I mean, it's the first day of free agency and 720 00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:17.839 I think there have been over twenty transactions. Is that 721 00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:22.279 a CBA deals out a second Apron deal? What gives 722 00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:24.400 with all this? It seems like tim there's just a 723 00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:26.720 lot more movement earlier than typically there is. 724 00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:31.119 Well, there's basically no movement that's happened so far. What's 725 00:33:31.160 --> 00:33:32.960 happened is I mean, I guess there's a couple of 726 00:33:33.039 --> 00:33:35.839 trades that have happened, but I mean predominantly what's happened 727 00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:40.559 is now the second that the finals are over, you 728 00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:44.880 can officially begin negotiating with your players who you have 729 00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:48.480 under contracts. So for the last week, what we've seen 730 00:33:48.559 --> 00:33:50.680 is a whole flood of deals for guys that are 731 00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:51.880 staying with the current teams. 732 00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:52.759 Right. 733 00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:56.319 And so it used to be this stuff would happen 734 00:33:57.039 --> 00:34:01.039 and then you'd get to six o'clock tonight and free 735 00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:03.880 agency would start and then the floodgates would opening and 736 00:34:03.920 --> 00:34:06.920 just would announce all these deals right that we're done. Well, 737 00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:09.639 now like when you get James Harden's seign, you could 738 00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:12.400 just say, hey, we got James Harden done, and you know, 739 00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:14.280 you can sort of go down the list that way 740 00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:17.199 and just like get all this business done. So that's 741 00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:19.920 why it felt like there's more public stuff because there's 742 00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:24.519 not a like flood that's coming out at six o'clock tonight, 743 00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:27.599 and a lot of this stuff that was already sort 744 00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:30.239 of done in this period in the past is now 745 00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:33.480 being done and taken care of before we get to 746 00:34:33.559 --> 00:34:36.840 six o'clock on June thirtieth, and that's when you know, 747 00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:39.000 we'll start to see the guys that were changing teams. 748 00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:41.559 We'll start to see what happens with them starting tonight 749 00:34:41.559 --> 00:34:44.320 in terms of where they go and what their situations 750 00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:44.760 look like. 751 00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:47.840 Any anything else coming out of Boston or do you 752 00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:51.880 think mission accomplished with Holiday and poor zingis off the books. 753 00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:55.519 I think they got their mission accomplished in terms of 754 00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:57.840 getting out of the second apron. It wouldn't shock me 755 00:34:57.880 --> 00:34:59.960 if the Celtics get out of the tacks. If they can't, 756 00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:03.280 they're like fifteen million in. You know, we'll see what 757 00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:07.599 happened with Holiday and what are with Jalen Brown and 758 00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:09.719 Derek White. I don't think they're trading either or those 759 00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:13.400 guys unless they get a ton for them. You know, 760 00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:15.800 they would have to be a crazy deal to do it. 761 00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:19.400 And you know, we'll see what happens with Louke Cornett 762 00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:23.280 now Horford, two of the most popular players in the 763 00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:26.000 free agent market this summer and two guys and I 764 00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:28.400 would not be surprised if they're playing elsewhere next season. 765 00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:31.480 Is things have shifted pretty dramatically in Boston's as Jason 766 00:35:31.480 --> 00:35:32.119 Tatum got. 767 00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:32.880 Hurt last thing. 768 00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:35.360 Tim, I'll say you lose because I do like in 769 00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:37.840 a sneaky way like this for the Calves, if Lonzo 770 00:35:38.079 --> 00:35:40.440 can stay healthy, as I'm knocking on wood because we 771 00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:42.559 know that for the past few years that's been difficult. 772 00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:45.679 But he got back last year thirty five to forty games, 773 00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:47.960 and you know, it looked pretty good. I think Isaacacorro's 774 00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:49.599 a decent player as well. But what do you make 775 00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:51.000 of the Cavs Bulls trade. 776 00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:54.440 I loved it for the Calves. I mean another trade 777 00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:56.679 where the Bulls give up a better player for a 778 00:35:56.760 --> 00:35:58.920 worse one and okay, draft picks. They've done it several 779 00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:01.239 times now the last couple of years. It's pretty remarkable. 780 00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:05.000 But for the Calves to get Lonzo, obviously it's worth 781 00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:07.280 the swing for them. I said, Carl cannot play in 782 00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:11.159 the playoffs. We have learned that very definitively. Uh, Lonzo 783 00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:17.480 can if he's able to stay healthy and h and 784 00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:19.440 as far as the the you know the other part 785 00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:23.000 of it too. It essentially became ty Jerome and Isaac 786 00:36:23.079 --> 00:36:27.920 Carrol swapped out for Sam Merrill who stayed there and 787 00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:30.199 and Lonzo, and I think that's trade is a good 788 00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:33.039 one for the Caves. Those two guys are are both 789 00:36:33.159 --> 00:36:35.360 solid defenders, they both can shoot the ball, they both 790 00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:39.000 can play on and off the ball. You know, I 791 00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:41.960 like to fit going forward, So I think that worked 792 00:36:41.960 --> 00:36:44.400 out for Cleveland and it's right as of right now 793 00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:46.079 you're looking at the Calves and the Knicks and then 794 00:36:46.119 --> 00:36:47.440 a whole lot of questions in the east. 795 00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:49.920 Jim, you're the man. Appreciate the time and the knowledge. 796 00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:51.920 On a Monday, excuse me, have a great week, but 797 00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:52.880 we'll get you back on soon. 798 00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:55.159 Sounds good, spence, Thanks man. 799 00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:55.440 All right. 800 00:36:55.480 --> 00:36:59.000 Timmy Bond Tams covers the NBA for ESPN does a 801 00:36:59.079 --> 00:36:59.719 really good job. 802 00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:02.039 Always enjoy when he can stop by. 803 00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:04.960 We will keep you up to date because the news 804 00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:07.360 is coming in fast and furious. If you're just hopping 805 00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:10.400 in your car and driving around town on this Monday afternoon, 806 00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:11.679 First of all, hello, how are you? 807 00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:13.119 Thank you for making this a part of your day. 808 00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:17.079 The Jazz have completed a buyout with Jordan Clarkson, and 809 00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:19.360 our very own Sarah Todd, who's a friend of the show, 810 00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:22.440 is reporting that the New York Knicks are the potential 811 00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:25.199 option there. There's a report that the Knicks are looking 812 00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:28.000 to sign Russell Westbrook. If a Nick signed Russell Westbrook 813 00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:31.159 and Jordan Clarkson, that would just be hilarious. The Jazz 814 00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:33.920 also traded Colin Section in a Charlotte for use if Nurkic. 815 00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:35.960 They had to attach a second round pick to Colin 816 00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:38.920 talked about it earlier. It just feels like they're clearing 817 00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:40.719 the deck for the young kids to play. I'm not 818 00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:43.559 sure that there's anything other than now Baiott. 819 00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:44.119 Has become official. 820 00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:47.360 Jordan Clarkson is a free agent. Sarah Todd front of 821 00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:49.840 the Shows, reporting she's here in the New York Knicks 822 00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:53.199 could be the landing spot for Jordan Clarkson first day 823 00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:54.079 of free agency. 824 00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:56.039 Man, and the news is coming fast and furious. 825 00:37:56.079 --> 00:37:58.280 Our next guest will help break it down for us, 826 00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:00.000 the great Tom Haberstrow on a Monday. 827 00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:02.760 Hey Tom, Happy Monday, buddy. How are we doing doing 828 00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:04.199 great man? How are you Well? 829 00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:06.599 We'll start with the jazz stuff and then we'll kind 830 00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:09.039 of move on from there. And let's just start with 831 00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:12.159 what I just referenced, Jordan Clarkson buyout. He is now 832 00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:14.599 free agent. And look, man, you and I have been 833 00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:17.400 talking about this for years. This was a candidate to 834 00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:21.440 be traded quite frankly every trade deadline over the past 835 00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:23.840 three years. But obviously no market for him. He's coming 836 00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:26.360 off two straight years whereas production is dipped. He's not 837 00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:28.800 as young as he once was and neither are any 838 00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:30.719 of us. But what do you make if the Jazz 839 00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:32.840 buying out Jordan Clarkson? And do you think the Knicks 840 00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:34.199 are a logical destination? 841 00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:40.039 Yeah, it's really interesting because I think the market, you know, 842 00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:42.280 a guy like DeAndre eight and a former number one 843 00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:45.119 overall pick just worked out a buyout with the Portland 844 00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:49.880 Trailblazers in similar fashion where it seems like by the 845 00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:54.000 box score, this player on a trade market would have value. 846 00:38:54.280 --> 00:38:58.840 And Jordan Clarkson, you know, has been a serviceable spark 847 00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:02.159 plug for the Utah j As but as Seams Trownia 848 00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:06.480 pointed out on social media, and the report is he 849 00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:11.760 wants to join a contender. Obviously, the Knicks are a 850 00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:16.000 contender in the Eastern Conference, especially with the decimation of 851 00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:20.199 the top of the East with Tyree Halliburton, Damian Lillard 852 00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:23.960 of course, and Jason Tatum all having Achilles tears, that 853 00:39:24.440 --> 00:39:26.400 a team like the Knicks could have a hold a 854 00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:30.000 lot of appeal, especially because a lot of their half 855 00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:33.960 court offense really needed an injection last year when it 856 00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:38.360 got bobbed down or Jalen Brunson was in some sort 857 00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:40.880 of foul trouble and needed to be taken out of 858 00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:44.239 the game. They were relying Onduce McBride who signed, but 859 00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:48.320 he's not the kind of dynamic score that Jordan Clarson 860 00:39:48.400 --> 00:39:51.199 can be on and off the ball, So they get 861 00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:55.199 another guy in that if that ever were to partner up. 862 00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:58.239 But you know, the Utah Jazz are in a real 863 00:39:58.280 --> 00:40:04.000 state of transition here. As John Collins, Jordan Clarkson, Colin Sexton. 864 00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:07.760 Last year, we had been talking like if the Jazz 865 00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:11.280 could find some sort of draft capital and move off 866 00:40:11.320 --> 00:40:16.320 of those expiring contracts, I think they would entice those deals. 867 00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:19.159 But as you're seeing what the Colin Sexton move, not 868 00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:21.800 only did they not have a market for him in 869 00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:23.639 a trade straight up, but they had to put in 870 00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:27.480 a second round pick a twenty thirty in order to 871 00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:30.119 get off of Colin Sexton and bring in useif Nerkip 872 00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:34.159 So Jordan Clarkson is feeling the same kind of crunch 873 00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:36.840 that DeAndre Ayton had, is that a lot of these 874 00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:41.000 veteran deals, it's hard to move off of those and 875 00:40:41.159 --> 00:40:44.599 take on, you know, long term money. I think the 876 00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:47.559 Utah Jazz are trying to keep their books pretty clean 877 00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:51.280 going forward, and you're seeing this deal that they'd rather 878 00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:56.480 waive Jordan Clarkson rather than say, taking on another contract 879 00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:02.440 beyond this season. And so this plus the Jewsang waiver 880 00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:07.320 and then the Collin Sexton trade, it's clear that, you know, 881 00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:11.400 they were trying to figure out deals and ultimately they 882 00:41:11.480 --> 00:41:14.840 landed on Yusuf Nurkic with the Charlotte Hornet's a guy 883 00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:17.280 who is playing for the Blazers and then the Suns 884 00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:21.480 and then the Hornets, and they're trying to just kind 885 00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:25.800 of re rearrange this this this depth chart and figure 886 00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:28.679 out if they can, you know, basically clear out some 887 00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:32.480 room for mister Ace Bailey coming in next season. 888 00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:35.639 All right, you referenced the section and stuff, and let's 889 00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:38.159 move over to as in a moment and to your point. 890 00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:41.360 And I was a little surprised, Tom, because look, Colin 891 00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:44.039 Sexton isn't Alan Iverson, but he's not a bad player. 892 00:41:44.079 --> 00:41:45.280 He played pretty well here. 893 00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:48.119 This is a guy that's averaged twenty plus in the 894 00:41:48.280 --> 00:41:50.960 NBA at a prior stop, and in Cleveland he shot 895 00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:54.719 over forty from three about nineteen points a night, plays 896 00:41:54.760 --> 00:41:56.880 his tail off. I mean, that's kind of his mo 897 00:41:57.119 --> 00:42:00.000 Now doesn't guard, Neither do many of the guards. 898 00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:01.519 It's on Jazz, the Jazz roster. 899 00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:04.679 They're not great defensive players, not great size, but to 900 00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:09.280 have to attach a second and receive use of nurkicchen 901 00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:12.000 Return who just doesn't have the value that he once did, 902 00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:14.360 and it doesn't make a lot of sense here. Your 903 00:42:14.360 --> 00:42:17.920 point about the expiring money is definitely on point, for sure, 904 00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:21.000 and that's probably the motivation. And then ultimately we land 905 00:42:21.039 --> 00:42:22.880 in a spot where they're clearing more minutes for their 906 00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:24.679 young guards. But what did what did you make of 907 00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:26.960 that transaction between the Jazz and the Hornets. 908 00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:31.320 Yeah, it's just clearing out the lane for Ace Bailey. 909 00:42:31.480 --> 00:42:34.079 I think it's you get two guys, three guys, and 910 00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:38.199 you're saying, especially Sexon and Clarkson, is they need the 911 00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:41.719 ball in their hands to succeed. And I think when 912 00:42:41.719 --> 00:42:46.159 you look at the the addition of Ace Bailey and 913 00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:49.039 Clayton Junior, you're going to be wanting those guys to 914 00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:51.920 have the ball without any sort of confusion about their role. 915 00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:52.760 Uh. 916 00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:56.519 And I think Clarkson and Colin Sexton, we're both probably 917 00:42:56.559 --> 00:43:00.400 looking at this like, Hey, I'm not here for the 918 00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:03.679 rebuild another year of this and you got these young 919 00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:07.119 kids coming in, can you find us a home? And 920 00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:11.079 I think Jordan Clarkson the market was pretty tepid for 921 00:43:11.559 --> 00:43:14.239 his services in the trade market, but I think you'll 922 00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:17.599 have a much better time in a winning environment in 923 00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:20.400 New York on the timetable that he wants at his age. 924 00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:25.239 And you know, Yusuf Nurkic has really had a drop 925 00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:27.800 off considering you know, a few years ago he was 926 00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:32.079 part of that team that went to the Western Conference Finals. 927 00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:35.639 He was injured, but this team was you know, just 928 00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:39.239 a few years ago, he was averaging almost twenty points 929 00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:42.960 a game, twenty to ten for the Blazers. Now he's 930 00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:47.639 not the same player. He's now thirty years old. When 931 00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:51.079 you're looking at projecting a seven footer with his skill set, 932 00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:53.920 you're not going to be expecting much of a starter here. 933 00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:58.199 This is a backup role and it's essentially just balancing 934 00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:00.960 that depth chart again to make sure they get a 935 00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:03.760 little bit more depth at the center position and clear 936 00:44:03.800 --> 00:44:06.639 out the way for Walter Clinton Junior and of course 937 00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:08.960 Ace Bailey up in the at the guard position. 938 00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:11.440 We'll stick with the Jazz and you just referenced the 939 00:44:11.480 --> 00:44:14.039 two players, and they also drafted the Tanji kid in 940 00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:16.440 the second round, who actually can score it a little bit. 941 00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:17.639 We'll see if he sticks around. 942 00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:23.039 But you know, this is a tough one because I 943 00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:26.880 have experience living elsewhere, growing up elsewhere, and so I 944 00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:28.000 understand when. 945 00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:29.760 People say, well, Salt Lake is not this or that 946 00:44:29.880 --> 00:44:30.239 or whatever. 947 00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:32.199 But I've lived here for twenty five years, and just 948 00:44:32.239 --> 00:44:36.360 this whole shtick, this whole bit that this is like 949 00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:39.239 the worst place you could possibly exist as a young 950 00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:42.480 athlete gets so tiresome to me, and I look, to 951 00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:45.239 be honest, I don't know what's real. You know, I've 952 00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:47.239 been doing this long enough, been around this league long 953 00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:50.320 enough that I always know there's the messaging from a 954 00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:53.280 player or an agent, or a coach or a front office, 955 00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:55.880 and then there's actually what's really going on behind the scenes. 956 00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:58.880 I get all that, But there were some people, Tommy 957 00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:00.639 that were going as far as to say they didn't 958 00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:03.639 think Ace was even going to report, and you know, 959 00:45:03.679 --> 00:45:05.199 he didn't want to be here, and there was a 960 00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:07.519 report that his agent was asked to give a statement 961 00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:10.719 to ESPN and he refused. Again, I can't cooperate any 962 00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:13.239 of these things. But I'm reading preparing for the show, 963 00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:15.480 and all this, well, he reported on time. 964 00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:17.519 He could not have handled the presser better. 965 00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:19.519 It seems like a really sweet kid who, by all 966 00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:22.840 accounts is excited for this. Am I saying that's real, No, 967 00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:25.639 because I don't know, But what's your understanding of this 968 00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:28.880 narrative surrounding Ace and his camp, like they just did 969 00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:31.960 not want for him to be here in Utah playing 970 00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:33.639 for the Jazz Yeah. 971 00:45:33.679 --> 00:45:35.559 I think it's really about the camp and not necessarily 972 00:45:35.559 --> 00:45:38.800 about Ace Bailey. I look at the fact that he 973 00:45:38.920 --> 00:45:42.400 had a lack of a certified agent for much of 974 00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:45.760 this process in Omar Cooper that was guiding him in 975 00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:49.039 this process, and I think this is what you you know, 976 00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:50.800 you get what you pay for in the sense that 977 00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:54.880 there's a lot of confusion and misinformation and misreporting and 978 00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:57.440 someone says this, and someone says that, and you can't 979 00:45:57.440 --> 00:46:00.119 get your head on straight. And this is why you 980 00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:03.360 hire an agent that has credibility with the teams, that 981 00:46:03.400 --> 00:46:06.239 has rapport with the teams, and then you have one 982 00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:09.599 voice that is talking to not just the organization but 983 00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:12.639 also to the media to get the story straight. And 984 00:46:12.679 --> 00:46:16.079 so I think this is what was a real misstep 985 00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:18.760 by Ace Bailey. And he's nineteen years old. So he's 986 00:46:18.800 --> 00:46:21.360 a kid. If we all had to make decisions about 987 00:46:21.400 --> 00:46:24.360 this at nineteen years old, I'm not so sure we'd 988 00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:26.719 be as confident as we are and saying as adults 989 00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:28.840 looking back at him and being like, oh, I would 990 00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:32.199 have done things so much better and so much more 991 00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:36.920 mature than Ace Bailey. He's nineteen, And I think this 992 00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:39.079 is why you hire an agent with a lot of 993 00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:43.679 a lot of credibility and a lot of tenure with 994 00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:46.639 NBA front offices, so that you don't have to just 995 00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:51.039 have to deal with this fog of information and dealing 996 00:46:51.079 --> 00:46:53.920 with this report says this, that he's not reported, he 997 00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:56.239 doesn't want to report to Utah, et cetera, et cetera. 998 00:46:57.800 --> 00:47:02.239 I think he didn't handle the pre draft process as 999 00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:06.280 nimbly or as smartly as he should have. But I 1000 00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:09.840 do think that once he gets to Utah and he's 1001 00:47:09.880 --> 00:47:13.119 not this you know, kind of free agent, so to speak, 1002 00:47:13.719 --> 00:47:16.239 I think a lot of that will go away, and 1003 00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:19.320 that you have this organization with you know. 1004 00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:20.119 Real. 1005 00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:27.159 Reputable, successful front office and coaching staff that I think 1006 00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:29.119 a lot of this will go away and wash away. 1007 00:47:29.199 --> 00:47:35.280 Ace Bailey is a big swing if things move right, 1008 00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:37.880 If things go in the direction where he reaches his 1009 00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:42.480 ceiling and he fulfills his potential. This is an absolute 1010 00:47:42.519 --> 00:47:45.880 home run swing. A number five pick that people think 1011 00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:49.239 could be Tracy McGrady. I think he's more DeMar DeRozan 1012 00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:54.920 where athlete loves the mid range and is a super 1013 00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:58.280 young kid that has a lot of upside that is 1014 00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:01.599 a hall of famer, a future Hall of Famer type. 1015 00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:03.760 He's got to clean up a lot of the off 1016 00:48:03.760 --> 00:48:06.400 court stuff. They followed him in this draft, But ultimately, 1017 00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:10.079 when you see the press conference and you see the 1018 00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:13.360 skill set, you can understand why the Utah Jazz are 1019 00:48:13.400 --> 00:48:15.800 really excited about him. And I think he's in really 1020 00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:16.920 good hands in Utah. 1021 00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:19.559 The other decision they made in the first round, and 1022 00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:22.039 you know we were talking about this a little bit earlier. 1023 00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:25.159 I don't really have an issue like if you have identified, 1024 00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:27.760 oh it's Walt. By the way, it's Walt Clayton Junior. 1025 00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:29.679 He told us in his introductory press conference. 1026 00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:31.320 He wants to be called Walt, so I will call 1027 00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:34.280 him Walt, like if if you're Austin. 1028 00:48:34.360 --> 00:48:36.320 And by the way, Brad Stevens had a funny line 1029 00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:37.960 he said, I could have told you two years ago, 1030 00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:40.519 Austin was going to trade up to draft wal Clayton Junior. 1031 00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:44.159 So Austin has always liked this kid for sure. And look, 1032 00:48:44.199 --> 00:48:47.639 if you've identified a player as someone that you think 1033 00:48:47.679 --> 00:48:50.079 can be your starting lead guard for maybe a decade 1034 00:48:50.199 --> 00:48:52.119 or more, go get them, right. 1035 00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:53.199 I have no issue with that. 1036 00:48:53.320 --> 00:48:56.440 They did have to attach three second round picks and 1037 00:48:56.559 --> 00:48:59.159 give twenty one to Washington just to move up three 1038 00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:01.239 spots to gain Walton Clayton Junior, but there was some 1039 00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:04.480 intel that was leaked that Miami wanted him at twenty. 1040 00:49:05.079 --> 00:49:08.119 They went with the Yakachana's kid from Illinois. But what 1041 00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:10.880 did you make of the decision making process by the 1042 00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:13.119 Jazz to go up and get their guy, wal Clayton Junior. 1043 00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:19.239 Yeah. What's interesting is players that win championship the NCAA Championship, 1044 00:49:19.280 --> 00:49:23.840 win the tournament are actually slightly undervalued in the draft. 1045 00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:27.119 For a while there, you know, the Shabbaz Napiers of 1046 00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:29.960 the world. We kind of thought that those guys on 1047 00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:34.679 a big run in the tournament were actually overvalued. But 1048 00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:38.880 recently we've seen a lot of these players actually exceed 1049 00:49:38.920 --> 00:49:41.159 expectations at the next level. And so a guy like 1050 00:49:41.199 --> 00:49:41.840 wal Clayton. 1051 00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:44.199 He is really. 1052 00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:47.679 Talented and also as a winner and an All American 1053 00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:50.000 last year at Florida. I got a chance to watch 1054 00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:53.480 him when the Jordan Classic came to Charlotte, and he 1055 00:49:53.599 --> 00:49:55.840 was great. You could see that he had an NBA 1056 00:49:55.960 --> 00:49:59.559 future and certainly played himself into a first round pick 1057 00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:02.840 this season with the Utah Jazz, who a team that 1058 00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:04.840 is really searching for their point guard of the future, 1059 00:50:04.880 --> 00:50:07.400 and he's going to be in the running with Isaiah 1060 00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:12.119 Collier and Kant George. I thought there was some potential 1061 00:50:12.159 --> 00:50:15.760 that maybe you could see the Utah Jazz trade up 1062 00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:19.719 to get Dylan Harper as their lead guard of the future. 1063 00:50:19.840 --> 00:50:24.400 But I mean Walt Clayton. He's he's legit. He's really good. 1064 00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:29.679 And if you watch Florida this postseason, this this this 1065 00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:31.960 kid could play. He's a flat out baller and he 1066 00:50:32.079 --> 00:50:34.960 draws a lot of comparisons to Jalen Brunson for good reason. 1067 00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:38.280 He's got great footwork and he wants the ball in 1068 00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:41.960 crunch time. And so I can't hate on this pick, 1069 00:50:42.039 --> 00:50:44.719 especially considering a lot of the players that you would 1070 00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:47.920 think would be late first rounders actually moved out of 1071 00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:51.199 the draft and stayed in college. And so if you 1072 00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:53.239 like a guy like Walter Clayton and you want to 1073 00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:55.800 pay you know, three second round picks to go get him, 1074 00:50:56.800 --> 00:51:00.599 I'm cool with that, especially when you show what Joe 1075 00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:05.079 Dumars did in the draft to trade basically, excuse me, 1076 00:51:05.320 --> 00:51:09.719 basically two first round picks. They had the swap ability 1077 00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:15.480 of THEIRS and Milwaukee, and they traded Atlanta the future 1078 00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:18.239 first round pick next year from New Orleans or Milwaukee 1079 00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:21.679 to move up ten spots. I'm fine with what Utah. 1080 00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:22.800 Did, all right. 1081 00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:27.039 So you know, I often say if everybody has the 1082 00:51:27.079 --> 00:51:29.800 same opinion of something, I tend to be a little skeptical. 1083 00:51:29.880 --> 00:51:31.840 I just think I've always been cynical that way, and 1084 00:51:31.880 --> 00:51:35.039 I like to zig when people zag. But what what? 1085 00:51:35.320 --> 00:51:38.559 Maybe maybe Derek Queen's awesome. I don't know, maybe he's 1086 00:51:38.599 --> 00:51:41.159 All the Famer, maybe he's an All Star? What what 1087 00:51:41.199 --> 00:51:45.960 are they thinking? Tom like man like to help me understand. 1088 00:51:46.079 --> 00:51:48.840 Is there any zigging to this zag? Is there any 1089 00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:50.599 justification for the move they made? 1090 00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:52.719 No? 1091 00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:53.719 I can't. 1092 00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:57.800 I mean, unless Derek Queen is the second coming of 1093 00:51:58.840 --> 00:52:03.039 you know, Karl Malone or Kevin Garnett, I can't understan 1094 00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:05.719 here's the problem with that logic. If you think he 1095 00:52:05.880 --> 00:52:09.920 is that guy, then you take him at seven, right, Like, 1096 00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:12.800 if you think Derek Queen is that guy, you make 1097 00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:15.719 sure I'm gonna take him at seven for sure, bird 1098 00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:17.679 in the hand. If I really think he's that good, 1099 00:52:18.280 --> 00:52:21.079 I don't even have to give up the next year 1100 00:52:21.159 --> 00:52:24.599 first round pick to go get that guy. So it's 1101 00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:32.159 just it's just baffling, especially in sequence of the fact 1102 00:52:32.199 --> 00:52:36.599 that they traded for Jordan Poole and that dude has 1103 00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:38.760 not been a winner in his own situation as a 1104 00:52:38.840 --> 00:52:43.000 lead guy. And so I mean, what is New Orleans thinking? 1105 00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:46.400 Is the right question? I don't know when you look 1106 00:52:46.400 --> 00:52:49.920 at Kyrie Irving how he became a Cleveland Cavalier. It's 1107 00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:53.840 because the Clippers and Neil O'Shea did not have the 1108 00:52:53.880 --> 00:52:56.960 foresight to think, oh man, we should put some protections 1109 00:52:56.960 --> 00:52:59.639 on this first round pick. We'll give up an unprotected 1110 00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:03.800 first round pick to acquire Mote Williams from Cleveland and 1111 00:53:03.840 --> 00:53:06.679 you can have this salary dump and Baron Davis, it's fine, 1112 00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:10.159 how bad could this get? And it turns out that 1113 00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:13.239 Cleveland jumped up with that Clippers pick and it landed 1114 00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:16.679 at number one, and that's how the Cleveland Cavaliers ended 1115 00:53:16.760 --> 00:53:19.119 up with Kyrie Irving, who hit one of the biggest 1116 00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:21.480 shots in franchise history, if not the biggest shot in 1117 00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:25.719 franchise history, to win them a championship. You look at 1118 00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:30.599 Jason Tatum and how the Boston Celtics drafted Jason Tatum, Well, 1119 00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:34.000 it was because of a pick swap. They were able 1120 00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:37.039 to get the number one overall picks through Brooklyn in 1121 00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:40.679 that KG Paul Pierceteele. They got a pick swap and 1122 00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:44.000 they didn't get it protected from Brooklyn didn't protect that pick. 1123 00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:47.480 It ended up going number one and they traded down 1124 00:53:47.559 --> 00:53:51.159 to number three with the Philadelphia seventy six ers, who 1125 00:53:51.320 --> 00:53:54.840 also were drafting at number three because of an unprotected 1126 00:53:55.199 --> 00:53:58.719 pick swap, they moved from five to three as a 1127 00:53:58.760 --> 00:54:02.760 result of the trade where Nick Stauskis was being traded 1128 00:54:02.800 --> 00:54:06.199 by Vonde Divots. He just got the job with the 1129 00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:09.920 Vekrono Dbey with the Sacramento Kings and they got off 1130 00:54:09.960 --> 00:54:12.639 of some money and they're like, oh yeah, we're desperate 1131 00:54:12.639 --> 00:54:14.400 to get off of this money. We'll give you a 1132 00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:19.239 twenty twenty seventeen pick swap unprotected. How bad could it be, 1133 00:54:19.599 --> 00:54:22.119 And it turns out it ended up being the number 1134 00:54:22.119 --> 00:54:25.079 three pick, and that ended up being Jason Tatum. So 1135 00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:30.119 these pick swaps, these have huge value, especially when you 1136 00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:34.519 look at Gianni Senda Decompo and his trade limbo. He 1137 00:54:34.599 --> 00:54:37.400 could not be on the Milwaukee Bucks next year, and 1138 00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:40.960 when you see the injuries that happened in today's NBA, 1139 00:54:41.480 --> 00:54:45.679 these unprotected picks are super valuable. And Joe Dumars and 1140 00:54:45.719 --> 00:54:48.960 that front office, they decided to give up a super 1141 00:54:49.039 --> 00:54:51.840 first one that could be swapped out. If the New 1142 00:54:51.960 --> 00:54:55.440 Orleans pick is later than the Milwaukee pick, they can 1143 00:54:55.559 --> 00:54:58.199 swap and make sure that they get the Milwaukee pick 1144 00:54:58.639 --> 00:55:02.840 in the case that Milwaukee bottoms out next season. It's 1145 00:55:03.199 --> 00:55:06.840 it's it's baffling to me. If you wanted Derek Queen, 1146 00:55:06.840 --> 00:55:09.199 are in love with Derek Queen, then take him at 1147 00:55:09.239 --> 00:55:12.960 number seven. You know, trading next year's first round pick 1148 00:55:13.039 --> 00:55:16.679 unprotected swap is baffling to me. And the other thing 1149 00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:19.760 I want to say here is, you know Troy Weaver, 1150 00:55:20.079 --> 00:55:24.719 the former Detroit Pistons GM that got fired and then 1151 00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:27.840 spent last year with the Wizards. It seems like he 1152 00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:31.320 has a thing for the DC area. Guys. Of course, 1153 00:55:31.360 --> 00:55:34.199 he trades for Jordan Poole, who was on the Wizards 1154 00:55:34.320 --> 00:55:38.519 last year. And secondly, his son, Troy Weaver's son was 1155 00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:44.519 the Maryland Terrapins grad assistant for Derek Queen. Derreck Queen 1156 00:55:44.719 --> 00:55:48.239 was a star for the Maryland Terrapins last year. And 1157 00:55:48.559 --> 00:55:51.800 the word is is that Troy Weaver was in on 1158 00:55:51.880 --> 00:55:55.119 every practice with the Maryland Terrapins and was at most 1159 00:55:55.119 --> 00:55:57.920 of their games last year in the DC area and 1160 00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:02.360 now trades up to go get his guy. It seems 1161 00:56:02.440 --> 00:56:05.679 like this is getting a little ridiculous, the fascination with 1162 00:56:05.880 --> 00:56:09.760 Wizards or Wizards adjacent players, especially when they won eighteen 1163 00:56:09.800 --> 00:56:12.920 games last season. I'm not sure what they're doing in 1164 00:56:13.480 --> 00:56:16.719 New Orleans, but it's certainly something that other teams are 1165 00:56:16.719 --> 00:56:20.119 gonna be calling New Orleans to try to pilfer all 1166 00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:21.920 of their assets that they have going forward. 1167 00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:24.559 All Right, what's next, Tom, what's the domino? 1168 00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:27.800 What's the next transaction that we're all waiting to hear 1169 00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:29.880 that you think is actually real? Is there some Yanna 1170 00:56:29.960 --> 00:56:32.400 stuff out there still? What he thinks next? 1171 00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:33.000 Well? 1172 00:56:33.440 --> 00:56:38.119 The Yannest thing is interesting because the Kevin Durant sweepstakes 1173 00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:40.480 ended up with the Houston Rockets retaining all of their 1174 00:56:40.559 --> 00:56:44.480 high assets like they still have They still have on 1175 00:56:44.599 --> 00:56:47.639 Men Thompson, they still have Reed Shepherd, they have Jabbari 1176 00:56:47.719 --> 00:56:51.679 Smith locked in long term, they have their Phoenix first 1177 00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:54.639 round picks, and so I suspect that we're going to 1178 00:56:54.679 --> 00:56:57.480 hear a lot more about the Yana situation in the 1179 00:56:57.480 --> 00:57:00.280 next week or so, because he hasn't come out either. Okay, 1180 00:57:01.119 --> 00:57:04.639 Jannis hasn't said I'm sticking here for the long term. 1181 00:57:04.760 --> 00:57:05.960 I like what I'm. 1182 00:57:05.800 --> 00:57:08.880 Seeing from the Milwaukee Bucks this offseason. I'm here for 1183 00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:10.880 the long haul. I want to retire a Milwaukee Bucks. 1184 00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:11.639 He has not said that. 1185 00:57:11.719 --> 00:57:14.599 He also has an asked for a tray and San 1186 00:57:14.639 --> 00:57:17.960 Antonio picks Dylan Harper, and you don't see them moving 1187 00:57:18.159 --> 00:57:20.639 out of that pick because I think they want to 1188 00:57:20.679 --> 00:57:23.840 keep it in case Janna Fandi Docobo hops onto the 1189 00:57:23.840 --> 00:57:26.719 market and they can move Dylan Harper potentially in a 1190 00:57:26.800 --> 00:57:30.280 trade for Giannis. I don't think it's likely that Jannis 1191 00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:33.880 becomes available this offseason, but I do think that the 1192 00:57:33.920 --> 00:57:38.360 biggest headline is that DeAndre Ayton Jake Fisher is reporting 1193 00:57:38.360 --> 00:57:41.719 at the sideline that he just gave up ten million 1194 00:57:41.800 --> 00:57:44.760 dollars in a baya with the Blazers, which sets him 1195 00:57:44.840 --> 00:57:48.199 up to make about ten million dollars and not losing 1196 00:57:48.199 --> 00:57:51.360 a penny off his next deal. So let's say the Lakers, 1197 00:57:51.760 --> 00:57:55.280 with their mid level exception that is up to fourteen 1198 00:57:55.280 --> 00:57:58.840 million dollars, they go, hey, DeAndre Ayden, we would like 1199 00:57:58.880 --> 00:58:01.320 to have you as a lost Sangelis Laker, and we'll 1200 00:58:01.320 --> 00:58:05.320 give you ten million of our our taxpayer mid level, 1201 00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:09.199 our non taxpayer mid level. Deadre Aden could become a Laker. 1202 00:58:10.119 --> 00:58:13.239 Maybe Brook Lopez wants the full fourteen million dollars and 1203 00:58:13.280 --> 00:58:15.880 DeAndre Aiden, former number one overall pick, can become a Laker. 1204 00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:18.800 That's the next thing that I'm looking forward to is 1205 00:58:18.880 --> 00:58:22.920 what happens with the Lakers and that vacancy at the 1206 00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:26.400 center position, because of course Jackson Hayes lost so much 1207 00:58:26.480 --> 00:58:29.360 clout with JJ Reddick that they went basically small for 1208 00:58:29.400 --> 00:58:32.920 the entire series against the Minnesota Timberwolves. I'm interested to 1209 00:58:32.920 --> 00:58:35.599 see what they do there, especially now that Lebron James 1210 00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:38.800 is opted in and kind of delayed this Lebron, this 1211 00:58:38.920 --> 00:58:43.559 Luka doncic Era one more season. Very interesting stuff coming 1212 00:58:43.599 --> 00:58:44.880 out of the Lakerland, all. 1213 00:58:44.840 --> 00:58:46.599 Right, Tom last thing, I'll set you loose. 1214 00:58:46.639 --> 00:58:49.280 I know you wrote on this, so Malik Beasley was 1215 00:58:49.320 --> 00:58:50.559 a jazz man for a minute. 1216 00:58:51.039 --> 00:58:52.239 Didn't you last that long? 1217 00:58:52.960 --> 00:58:55.320 And you know what, we talked about this when the 1218 00:58:55.400 --> 00:58:58.119 Johntay Porter stuff came out. And I know that you 1219 00:58:58.639 --> 00:59:01.920 have done some digging and these two investigations aren't necessarily 1220 00:59:02.679 --> 00:59:03.119 the same. 1221 00:59:03.280 --> 00:59:04.760 So we'll unpack it a little bit. 1222 00:59:05.199 --> 00:59:08.320 I'm honestly surprised this isn't happening more with how easy 1223 00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:10.840 this is and accessible it is to gamble on sports. 1224 00:59:10.880 --> 00:59:15.679 But Malik Beasley is being investigated allegations of gambling related 1225 00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:18.360 to NBA games and prop bets. Okay, so that's kind 1226 00:59:18.400 --> 00:59:20.400 of out there. You've done some digging. Now unpacked this 1227 00:59:20.440 --> 00:59:21.639 for us before I set you loose. 1228 00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:24.599 Yeah, Tom Thefinder dot com if you want to read more, 1229 00:59:24.840 --> 00:59:27.000 but I'll give you what I've found so far and 1230 00:59:27.159 --> 00:59:29.519 kind of tease, you know, as the story progresses. But 1231 00:59:29.559 --> 00:59:33.480 Malik Beasley is being investigated, and according to ESPN dot 1232 00:59:33.480 --> 00:59:37.039 COM's David Purdham, is there's one game in particular that 1233 00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:40.840 has drawn the attention of the sports betting community is 1234 00:59:40.880 --> 00:59:44.800 January thirty first, in the Damian Lillard return game. This 1235 00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:47.480 was in twenty twenty four when he was with the 1236 00:59:47.519 --> 00:59:51.360 Milwaukee Bucks. There was a lot of unusual betting activity 1237 00:59:51.400 --> 00:59:55.039 around his rebounding unders the player props meaning he was 1238 00:59:55.079 --> 00:59:57.559 supposed to be you know, the line was at two 1239 00:59:57.599 --> 00:59:59.719 and a half rebounds, and there's a lot of betting 1240 00:59:59.719 --> 01:00:02.840 actions and on the under, meaning that he wouldn't reach 1241 01:00:03.199 --> 01:00:05.639 two and a half rebounds, you'd have zero, one or two. 1242 01:00:06.719 --> 01:00:08.599 And what's interesting about that game is that he had 1243 01:00:08.679 --> 01:00:11.079 six rebounds, and so it's a real like wrench in 1244 01:00:11.119 --> 01:00:14.400 this whole story is that there's suspicious betting activity or 1245 01:00:14.519 --> 01:00:16.800 unusual betting activity around a game where the bet would 1246 01:00:16.840 --> 01:00:20.880 actually lose. The other thing that's really interesting here. And 1247 01:00:21.119 --> 01:00:23.800 I watched the film and there wasn't really anything suspicious 1248 01:00:23.800 --> 01:00:26.239 about that game from what I could tell. But what's 1249 01:00:26.280 --> 01:00:28.280 interesting is I think this is a big story. And 1250 01:00:28.320 --> 01:00:31.400 you said, I'm not. I'm surprised it's not happening more often, 1251 01:00:31.719 --> 01:00:34.760 And I'm with you. Like Malik Beasley, you might say, hey, 1252 01:00:34.760 --> 01:00:36.760 this guy makes six million dollars a year. Why would 1253 01:00:36.760 --> 01:00:39.920 be you know, potentially throwing his career away over a 1254 01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:43.639 couple vets. Well, you know, when these are allegations they 1255 01:00:43.679 --> 01:00:48.840 are not pressing charges to Malik Beasley was taking a 1256 01:00:48.960 --> 01:00:51.480 ninety percent pay cut in that season. He went from 1257 01:00:51.519 --> 01:00:54.559 a sixteen million dollar contract to a two million dollar contract. 1258 01:00:54.679 --> 01:00:58.039 I don't care who you are, A ninety percent pay cut, 1259 01:00:58.280 --> 01:01:01.079 no matter any walk of life or standard of living 1260 01:01:01.480 --> 01:01:04.159 is going to be really hard to stomach. And I 1261 01:01:04.199 --> 01:01:06.320 think that is a big story here is that Johontay 1262 01:01:06.400 --> 01:01:10.199 Porter was a fringe NBA player and this guy was 1263 01:01:10.239 --> 01:01:14.159 making multimillions in the NBA. And still I think there's 1264 01:01:14.159 --> 01:01:18.840 a potential for financial vulnerability if you have guys losing 1265 01:01:19.199 --> 01:01:22.800 ninety percent of their income in one year. And so 1266 01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:26.159 Malik Beasley was making sixteen million dollars the previous season 1267 01:01:26.159 --> 01:01:29.599 and in this season that's being under scrutiny. He only 1268 01:01:29.679 --> 01:01:31.679 was making two million dollars and that was one of 1269 01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:35.280 the biggest pay cuts league wide. And I think the 1270 01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:38.920 NBA needs to keep a close eye on these financially 1271 01:01:38.960 --> 01:01:42.480 potentially financially vulnerable players that would have an incentive to 1272 01:01:42.519 --> 01:01:45.800 make ends meet if they are maintaining their standard of 1273 01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:48.840 living and the budget and the houses and the cars 1274 01:01:48.880 --> 01:01:51.519 and all the other expenses that come with the sixteen 1275 01:01:51.599 --> 01:01:55.760 million dollars annual salary. It's a really interesting story and 1276 01:01:55.840 --> 01:01:58.920 because of free agency, it's getting buried here. But make 1277 01:01:58.960 --> 01:02:02.039 no mistake about it. This is a huge, huge story, 1278 01:02:02.519 --> 01:02:05.320 and we'll see what happens with the investigation. No presses 1279 01:02:05.360 --> 01:02:07.760 have been charged, No charges have been pressed yet, but 1280 01:02:07.920 --> 01:02:10.800 we'll see in the coming weeks here on the Elik Beasley. 1281 01:02:10.559 --> 01:02:13.639 Story, Tomthefinder dot Com. Tom, thanks for the time, buddy, 1282 01:02:13.719 --> 01:02:15.960 Keep up the great work and we'll chat too. You 1283 01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:18.800 got a spence, all right, the great Tom Harberstrow weekly 1284 01:02:19.000 --> 01:02:22.719 guest of ours to talk all things NBA. Yeah, Malik 1285 01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:25.880 Beasley's in a little hot water here, so it's a 1286 01:02:25.960 --> 01:02:29.960 it's a federal investigation. As Tom referenced, this was when 1287 01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:31.639 he was with the Bucks, so not when he was 1288 01:02:31.679 --> 01:02:35.079 here with the Jazz. But uh yeah, this could do. 1289 01:02:35.199 --> 01:02:37.760 John Tay Porter, I believe he was banned for life 1290 01:02:38.320 --> 01:02:41.000 from the NBA. So if anything comes down, we will 1291 01:02:41.280 --> 01:02:44.840 bring that to you. Adam Sandler is coming to the 1292 01:02:44.880 --> 01:02:48.639 Delta Center on October twenty sixth, twenty twenty five. That's 1293 01:02:48.639 --> 01:02:51.639 his share ticket turn on sale now. Text Farley the 1294 01:02:51.679 --> 01:02:53.639 three three nine eighty six for your chance to win. 1295 01:02:54.079 --> 01:02:56.119 Porter would you mind efforting the Sandman. 1296 01:02:56.800 --> 01:02:57.400 Yeah, I'll get in. 1297 01:02:57.519 --> 01:03:00.480 Thank you Baby. In studio, We'll try. 1298 01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:03.519 Okay, not just for h Adam Sandler is not in studio, 1299 01:03:03.599 --> 01:03:04.920 but an old friend is in studio. 1300 01:03:05.000 --> 01:03:07.639 We haven't seen her for a while. Amy Donaldson from Kassel, 1301 01:03:07.719 --> 01:03:08.679 How are you, Amy. 1302 01:03:08.440 --> 01:03:10.920 I'm good. I've probably seen every Adam Sandler movie, not 1303 01:03:10.960 --> 01:03:14.039 because I'm a fan, because I had Stepson's Sure. 1304 01:03:14.239 --> 01:03:18.280 Yes, yes, Indeed, there's like a generational gap between Sandler. 1305 01:03:18.360 --> 01:03:20.320 Like people my age think he's funny, and I feel 1306 01:03:20.320 --> 01:03:22.199 like the younger people just are kind of out on 1307 01:03:22.280 --> 01:03:23.960 him because he's made so many bad movies. 1308 01:03:24.400 --> 01:03:27.199 Yeah, I think that's right. I think it's I think 1309 01:03:27.199 --> 01:03:29.000 there might be a little bit also of a gender 1310 01:03:29.280 --> 01:03:33.559 gap for mister Sandler, although his recent affection for Taylor 1311 01:03:33.599 --> 01:03:37.480 Swift because he has daughters, has brought him I think 1312 01:03:37.559 --> 01:03:39.800 into the into the fold a bit. So there are 1313 01:03:39.800 --> 01:03:42.159 some women now who are given given some movies. 1314 01:03:41.880 --> 01:03:44.760 A chance O that didn't age very well, I guess 1315 01:03:44.800 --> 01:03:46.320 back from back in the day type of stuff. 1316 01:03:46.400 --> 01:03:50.280 Well, I don't think they've seen water Boy water one 1317 01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:52.159 of his was the one what was the one where 1318 01:03:52.199 --> 01:03:55.559 he was in the where he wasn't he had to 1319 01:03:55.599 --> 01:03:57.280 go back to like elementary school or something. 1320 01:03:57.320 --> 01:03:59.519 Billy Madison. Billy Madison was great. 1321 01:03:59.679 --> 01:04:02.840 That was the one that my step sons loved. 1322 01:04:02.920 --> 01:04:05.719 Yeah, so what do you bet u? Let's get an update. 1323 01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:08.039 We were just talking off air. You've been traveling. I 1324 01:04:08.119 --> 01:04:10.519 follow your Instagram. You're all over the place these days. 1325 01:04:10.559 --> 01:04:13.159 I have and haven't been very dedicated. I retweeted and 1326 01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:16.760 re share what so other people are doing. But I 1327 01:04:16.800 --> 01:04:19.400 went to Australia for a month and uh hung out 1328 01:04:19.400 --> 01:04:21.960 with my My kid moved there last year and so 1329 01:04:22.079 --> 01:04:24.760 I went there and the first two weeks ed was 1330 01:04:24.800 --> 01:04:27.320 with me, so we had to go one of the 1331 01:04:27.679 --> 01:04:31.639 we wanted. He's a huge snorkeler, beach guy. Yeah, he 1332 01:04:31.639 --> 01:04:35.000 loves I mean he I he considered like actually diving. 1333 01:04:35.079 --> 01:04:38.320 But we didn't have a ton of time, so which 1334 01:04:38.320 --> 01:04:39.880 sounds funny because we're there a month or I was 1335 01:04:39.880 --> 01:04:41.320 there a month, he was only there two weeks. But 1336 01:04:41.719 --> 01:04:44.039 so we did snorkel in the Great Barrier reef and 1337 01:04:44.280 --> 01:04:48.119 go out to some islands. And I just love learning, 1338 01:04:48.400 --> 01:04:52.000 I mean just especially like the mangroves, Like the nature 1339 01:04:52.079 --> 01:04:54.599 is just so fascinating to me. And a beach entirely 1340 01:04:54.599 --> 01:04:57.000 made of fish poop. It's and it's the most amazing, 1341 01:04:57.039 --> 01:04:58.159 beautiful place you've ever been. 1342 01:04:58.280 --> 01:04:58.760 Interesting. 1343 01:04:59.239 --> 01:05:02.480 Yeah, it's super cool. So but yes, we did that. 1344 01:05:02.599 --> 01:05:05.760 And then he's a huge Mad Max fan. This one 1345 01:05:05.920 --> 01:05:06.320 oh cool? 1346 01:05:06.519 --> 01:05:06.800 Okay? 1347 01:05:06.960 --> 01:05:11.159 So Mad Max two was filmed in a place called 1348 01:05:11.199 --> 01:05:15.400 Brooken Hill, Australia, and everybody knows who knows Mad Max 1349 01:05:15.440 --> 01:05:19.480 knows that is an Australian film in origin. So uh. 1350 01:05:19.800 --> 01:05:22.239 We went out to the museum out there, and everyone 1351 01:05:22.239 --> 01:05:24.599 thought we were crazy because it's in the middle of nowhere. 1352 01:05:24.639 --> 01:05:27.760 But it looked I'll tell you this, it was so 1353 01:05:27.920 --> 01:05:30.440 it was like going to Delta, Utah. Really, it looked 1354 01:05:30.480 --> 01:05:33.599 so familiar. I loved it so much. It's super cool town. 1355 01:05:34.800 --> 01:05:37.039 A lot of Aboriginal people live out there, a lot 1356 01:05:37.039 --> 01:05:39.599 of old miners. I mean I miners are my family, 1357 01:05:39.760 --> 01:05:43.840 Park City roots. So yeah, it was super fun and 1358 01:05:44.000 --> 01:05:47.000 the museum was amazing. And then we went back to 1359 01:05:47.039 --> 01:05:50.239 that I had, uh, I had a pretty vicious case 1360 01:05:50.280 --> 01:05:52.760 of food poisoning just as we arrived in Broken Hill. 1361 01:05:53.199 --> 01:05:55.400 So we went back to our hotel room and watched 1362 01:05:55.519 --> 01:05:56.320 Mad Max two. 1363 01:05:56.480 --> 01:05:58.079 Do you know what you ate? Yes? 1364 01:05:58.119 --> 01:06:01.440 I do. It was a spice chicken wrap from the airport. 1365 01:06:01.599 --> 01:06:04.559 Oh, that shouldn't do it. Spicy chicken should be safe. 1366 01:06:04.559 --> 01:06:06.079 Well, I guess we just say that I have not 1367 01:06:06.119 --> 01:06:08.880 eaten chicken since, and I'm not so sure I can 1368 01:06:08.960 --> 01:06:09.719 eat a wrap. 1369 01:06:10.199 --> 01:06:11.480 And take a little bit of a break. 1370 01:06:11.639 --> 01:06:14.440 And then you were assisting your sister, who is a 1371 01:06:14.559 --> 01:06:17.079 ultra marathon runner, try to get through a race in Alaska. 1372 01:06:17.199 --> 01:06:19.559 Yeah, she was running d Nali one thirty five, and 1373 01:06:20.559 --> 01:06:22.599 I agreed to be a pacer. I said I could 1374 01:06:22.679 --> 01:06:26.119 maybe give you fifty miles, but she got pretty sick 1375 01:06:26.599 --> 01:06:31.599 about oh fifty miles in made it about fifteen more miles, 1376 01:06:31.639 --> 01:06:34.440 and then after about the halfway point we called it. 1377 01:06:34.840 --> 01:06:37.440 We so we more so called it. I would say. 1378 01:06:37.440 --> 01:06:41.599 My mom and my dad and I collaborated to convince 1379 01:06:41.599 --> 01:06:44.400 her because I don't know if you know an ultrarunner, 1380 01:06:44.559 --> 01:06:47.039 but they're not. They don't want to quit. 1381 01:06:47.119 --> 01:06:47.599 They'll die. 1382 01:06:48.159 --> 01:06:50.199 I've got a couple of buddies I've not like whenever 1383 01:06:50.199 --> 01:06:51.320 they're telling me what, I'm. 1384 01:06:51.159 --> 01:06:51.880 Like, what are you doing it? 1385 01:06:52.199 --> 01:06:55.239 I mean, I'm not a good ultra runner because I 1386 01:06:55.320 --> 01:06:58.360 will quit. Yeah, I'm not. I want to hike another day. 1387 01:06:58.639 --> 01:07:01.360 You want to live, I mean, and I like, I 1388 01:07:01.360 --> 01:07:04.760 guess for me, the experience like walking through into your 1389 01:07:04.800 --> 01:07:08.360 Alaska with my sister in the you know, the middle 1390 01:07:08.440 --> 01:07:10.920 and it's not dark, like it never gets black in 1391 01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:14.119 the summer, right, so it's like eleven twelve at night 1392 01:07:14.159 --> 01:07:16.400 and it looks kind of like dusk and it's just 1393 01:07:16.440 --> 01:07:20.360 the most beautiful place. I just for me, that was 1394 01:07:20.400 --> 01:07:22.880 so odd inspiring. I was like, this is the thing. 1395 01:07:23.559 --> 01:07:25.239 It's not the finish. I mean, she was trying to 1396 01:07:25.280 --> 01:07:27.440 go for that would have been her second finish and 1397 01:07:27.639 --> 01:07:29.719 made her the first woman to ever finish it twice. 1398 01:07:30.679 --> 01:07:32.960 So she was pretty bummed. And I find o my 1399 01:07:33.000 --> 01:07:35.039 sister she'll be signing up for that race again because 1400 01:07:35.079 --> 01:07:38.800 she's not really good about quit. But congratulations to my sister. 1401 01:07:39.119 --> 01:07:40.840 I have to give her congratulations. Say she was just 1402 01:07:40.880 --> 01:07:47.119 promoted to lieutenant. Cool teaches at the public Safety in 1403 01:07:47.400 --> 01:07:49.039 South Carolina the state. 1404 01:07:49.119 --> 01:07:50.920 Good for her for the state, all right, Amy. 1405 01:07:51.159 --> 01:07:53.320 I was excited to see you on the rundown because 1406 01:07:53.320 --> 01:07:54.840 a couple of things going on that I want to 1407 01:07:54.840 --> 01:07:55.880 get your perspective on. 1408 01:07:56.519 --> 01:07:57.800 And you know we were talking. 1409 01:07:57.840 --> 01:08:00.199 I had Tim bond Tom's Tim Bontem's excuse me on 1410 01:08:00.239 --> 01:08:03.599 earlier from ESPN, and this the way the Ace Bailey 1411 01:08:03.800 --> 01:08:07.440 story was covered. And I want to be clear, I 1412 01:08:07.480 --> 01:08:09.400 don't know what's true and I don't know what's not. 1413 01:08:09.840 --> 01:08:11.480 I mean, you and I have done this long enough 1414 01:08:11.519 --> 01:08:14.719 where you know that you get messaging from players, you 1415 01:08:14.760 --> 01:08:17.640 get messaging from agents, you get messaging from coaches in 1416 01:08:17.680 --> 01:08:20.359 front off, and then there's what's really going on behind 1417 01:08:20.359 --> 01:08:22.039 the scenes that they don't want to say out loud. 1418 01:08:22.560 --> 01:08:25.560 So there could be several levels here. And I'm one 1419 01:08:25.640 --> 01:08:27.800 like you that grew up elsewhere, but it's made saw 1420 01:08:27.880 --> 01:08:29.720 Lake and adopted home and it's basically been my home 1421 01:08:29.720 --> 01:08:32.439 for twenty five years. I don't think that's changing anytime soon, 1422 01:08:32.479 --> 01:08:33.039 but I guess. 1423 01:08:32.880 --> 01:08:33.359 You never know. 1424 01:08:34.079 --> 01:08:37.279 And I can get a little defensive when I hear 1425 01:08:37.319 --> 01:08:40.520 people talk about our market, certainly juxtaposed with places like 1426 01:08:40.600 --> 01:08:44.000 Cleveland or Oklahoma City or San Antonio, Like I just 1427 01:08:44.079 --> 01:08:45.600 prefer saw Lake over a lot. 1428 01:08:45.479 --> 01:08:47.560 Of the NBA markets that I've been to over the 1429 01:08:47.560 --> 01:08:48.239 course of my life. 1430 01:08:48.279 --> 01:08:51.399 And maybe I'm biased here, so the whole thing comes 1431 01:08:51.439 --> 01:08:54.439 out like, oh wait, it's not as preferred destination. And 1432 01:08:54.479 --> 01:08:56.399 there were even people who said out loud, he's not 1433 01:08:56.560 --> 01:08:59.600 going to report. He doesn't want to be there. He 1434 01:08:59.640 --> 01:09:02.159 refused to work out for any team. There was a 1435 01:09:02.159 --> 01:09:04.560 report that he actually told not a So I want 1436 01:09:04.600 --> 01:09:07.079 to be clear, this is his reps. Told one team 1437 01:09:07.119 --> 01:09:08.960 in the top five do not draft him. He's not 1438 01:09:09.079 --> 01:09:12.239 reporting and obviously wasn't the Jazz because he showed up 1439 01:09:12.239 --> 01:09:15.399 on time, he did a great job with his press conference, 1440 01:09:15.399 --> 01:09:17.920 had his introductory dinner, and he seems like a sweet. 1441 01:09:17.720 --> 01:09:20.920 Kid, is excited and durable, right yeah, So what's your 1442 01:09:20.960 --> 01:09:22.520 take on this entire dynamic. 1443 01:09:22.600 --> 01:09:25.279 Well, I think it's a collision of everybody wants to 1444 01:09:25.279 --> 01:09:29.119 have a scoop and everybody hates us. It's our insecurities 1445 01:09:29.359 --> 01:09:32.680 coupled with this twenty four hour news cycle where everybody 1446 01:09:32.720 --> 01:09:35.199 wants to know something special. Everybody wants to give you 1447 01:09:35.239 --> 01:09:37.479 something that you can't get anywhere else. I had the scoop. 1448 01:09:37.680 --> 01:09:39.399 I mean I see it a little bit. Well, we 1449 01:09:39.399 --> 01:09:41.600 see it on all these bigger stories, right, a little 1450 01:09:41.600 --> 01:09:43.359 bit on the rets left thing in the last we'll 1451 01:09:43.399 --> 01:09:45.800 get there the last twenty four hours. But yeah, so 1452 01:09:46.039 --> 01:09:48.359 I think there. I mean, we're competitive people report I'm 1453 01:09:48.399 --> 01:09:51.359 talking about journalists, and we want the inside story. You 1454 01:09:51.359 --> 01:09:53.720 want something when you're going to these press conferences and 1455 01:09:53.760 --> 01:09:58.800 everybody's getting the same you know, pablum. We want something different, 1456 01:09:58.960 --> 01:10:01.359 so you're trying to talk different people get different things. 1457 01:10:01.680 --> 01:10:05.000 And I will say this, nowhere in my journalism career 1458 01:10:05.039 --> 01:10:08.399 has there been more irresponsible speculation than in sports journalism. 1459 01:10:08.560 --> 01:10:09.079 Interesting. 1460 01:10:09.600 --> 01:10:13.600 There are people I once traced there was some rumors 1461 01:10:13.640 --> 01:10:16.039 going around on a story, and I started to call 1462 01:10:16.079 --> 01:10:18.359 the people who were reporting them and say, you know, 1463 01:10:18.600 --> 01:10:21.199 and I know everybody, I said, I'm not reporting, I 1464 01:10:21.239 --> 01:10:23.359 want to know. I'm trying to figure out the roots 1465 01:10:23.399 --> 01:10:26.239 of this thing, where this idea, where this information came 1466 01:10:26.239 --> 01:10:29.119 from right? And what ended up happening was it was 1467 01:10:29.159 --> 01:10:33.800 a circle. So somebody was quoting somebody else, but if 1468 01:10:33.800 --> 01:10:36.279 you traced it around, they were quoting each other. It's 1469 01:10:36.319 --> 01:10:38.119 like if you and I told each other the rumor 1470 01:10:38.159 --> 01:10:40.000 that we heard and were confirmed it for each other, 1471 01:10:40.119 --> 01:10:41.760 and then we both go out and say it's been 1472 01:10:41.800 --> 01:10:44.439 confirmed by a source for we are each other's source. 1473 01:10:44.600 --> 01:10:47.880 We don't know anything. So that's what happened. So once 1474 01:10:47.960 --> 01:10:50.640 that and that happened, I think it was around twenty 1475 01:10:50.680 --> 01:10:54.560 twelve did that happened? So very early in my sports career, 1476 01:10:54.760 --> 01:10:56.680 especially once I started getting out of high school sport 1477 01:10:56.680 --> 01:10:59.399 when you're talking about Olympic sports or college sports. Definitely 1478 01:10:59.439 --> 01:11:03.279 in the pro people want I mean, that's your bread 1479 01:11:03.279 --> 01:11:06.439 and butter. Being being the guy or the girl with 1480 01:11:06.560 --> 01:11:10.920 information is how you make your name. And some people 1481 01:11:10.960 --> 01:11:13.439 are reliable about that, and they're very careful about that, 1482 01:11:13.560 --> 01:11:17.600 and they check and second check, and some people say 1483 01:11:17.640 --> 01:11:23.479 things out of turn, you know, but yeah, I my experience, 1484 01:11:23.520 --> 01:11:25.159 because I come from a news background, is if you 1485 01:11:25.159 --> 01:11:26.920 don't know, I'm not going to quote you, even if 1486 01:11:26.960 --> 01:11:29.279 you tell me something really solid. I know some really 1487 01:11:29.319 --> 01:11:32.119 solid things I've never reported because I don't have a 1488 01:11:32.159 --> 01:11:35.800 source on them. And I believe the people, but I 1489 01:11:35.840 --> 01:11:38.159 just don't I don't have a firsthand source on it. 1490 01:11:38.239 --> 01:11:39.960 So I think it was And then I think there's 1491 01:11:40.000 --> 01:11:43.800 this natural and I think it's somewhat become a narrative 1492 01:11:43.960 --> 01:11:48.680 in professional sports, especially the NBA a little bit in college. 1493 01:11:48.760 --> 01:11:51.880 I mean, it happened with AJ when he committed to Uya, right, 1494 01:11:52.840 --> 01:11:55.319 Why would anyone want to go there? It's Utah, right, 1495 01:11:55.399 --> 01:11:57.119 you know, what have they done? Who are they? Why 1496 01:11:57.119 --> 01:11:59.520 do you want to be there? They're and also ran 1497 01:11:59.800 --> 01:12:01.800 they they exist but they exist for us to beat 1498 01:12:01.840 --> 01:12:02.960 them on the way to something else. 1499 01:12:03.199 --> 01:12:03.359 You know. 1500 01:12:03.399 --> 01:12:06.439 It's like they call flyover states the center of the country. 1501 01:12:06.439 --> 01:12:09.399 We are a flyover place in sports, and so there 1502 01:12:09.520 --> 01:12:12.399 is this narrative and we are all super defensive about it, 1503 01:12:12.439 --> 01:12:16.279 including our reporters here, and then these things all collide. 1504 01:12:16.920 --> 01:12:20.079 Everybody's looking for information. Somebody repeats a rumor, somebody says it. 1505 01:12:20.119 --> 01:12:22.640 Everybody's scrambling. I heard this, You got a boss, I've 1506 01:12:22.640 --> 01:12:24.880 had this happen to me. You get a call from 1507 01:12:24.880 --> 01:12:27.279 your boss at ten o'clock on a Friday. Somebody else 1508 01:12:27.359 --> 01:12:29.960 is reporting this. What do you know? I don't know anything, 1509 01:12:30.359 --> 01:12:33.159 And then it saying I don't know as a reporter 1510 01:12:33.319 --> 01:12:35.000 is like the worst thing ever, But it's the truth 1511 01:12:35.079 --> 01:12:37.880 sometimes because sometimes there's not anything to know. And I 1512 01:12:37.920 --> 01:12:41.079 don't know if an agent or somebody was trying to 1513 01:12:41.079 --> 01:12:45.880 stir up some interest or like again, how these things happen, 1514 01:12:45.960 --> 01:12:48.199 We don't know. I didn't I wasn't doing initial reporting. 1515 01:12:48.479 --> 01:12:52.640 I heard these rumors coming out, and I saw journalists saying, 1516 01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:55.199 another person who doesn't want to come to Utah. This 1517 01:12:55.239 --> 01:12:56.800 guy will be gone in four years, you know, all 1518 01:12:56.840 --> 01:13:00.680 these things, and I assume they don't know anything because 1519 01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:04.640 they're not in these rooms having these conversations. I thought, 1520 01:13:04.680 --> 01:13:07.520 I'm just gonna wait, I've learned and see what happens 1521 01:13:07.520 --> 01:13:10.479 with the kid, and couldn't have been nicer. Showed up, 1522 01:13:10.560 --> 01:13:13.239 did his thing, you know, I mean, it happens every time, 1523 01:13:13.279 --> 01:13:16.399 but I think it's just the collision of two really 1524 01:13:16.439 --> 01:13:19.800 bad you know, sort of the insecurity coupled with this 1525 01:13:19.920 --> 01:13:22.680 idea that like everybody's got to have that scoop, you know, Yeah, 1526 01:13:22.720 --> 01:13:24.680 I know something you don't know, you know, right. 1527 01:13:25.319 --> 01:13:28.760 I wonder what because again, without knowing exactly what's real 1528 01:13:28.800 --> 01:13:33.359 and what's not, I will say that I like that 1529 01:13:33.439 --> 01:13:36.439 Austin just took him like, all right, maybe you don't 1530 01:13:36.439 --> 01:13:37.800 want to be here, but we think you're the guy, 1531 01:13:38.000 --> 01:13:40.439 and we're this is the best player available at five 1532 01:13:40.880 --> 01:13:44.199 because I do feel like there's been this undercurrent of 1533 01:13:44.640 --> 01:13:48.520 fear tied into certain decision making. And I actually wondered, 1534 01:13:49.039 --> 01:13:51.880 and again, if we operate off the assumption, which is never. 1535 01:13:51.760 --> 01:13:52.520 A smart thing to do. 1536 01:13:53.000 --> 01:13:56.319 But there was so much noise around Utah not being 1537 01:13:56.359 --> 01:14:00.840 aces preferred destination and so much reporting over the twenty 1538 01:14:00.840 --> 01:14:03.239 four hour news cycle that I'm inclined to believe there's 1539 01:14:03.279 --> 01:14:03.920 something there. 1540 01:14:03.960 --> 01:14:05.000 I don't think it's with Ace. 1541 01:14:05.079 --> 01:14:06.960 I do think it's with this agent of his who 1542 01:14:07.520 --> 01:14:10.880 isn't even like he doesn't have his right Well, he 1543 01:14:10.920 --> 01:14:13.000 didn't have the paperwork file to be like an actual 1544 01:14:13.079 --> 01:14:15.920 agent when Ace first hired him, So he's new with 1545 01:14:16.039 --> 01:14:18.880 this and he's probably trying to figure it out. So 1546 01:14:19.000 --> 01:14:21.840 if there's even a sliver of truth to it, you know, 1547 01:14:21.960 --> 01:14:25.039 the Jazz had that intel. But I like that Austin 1548 01:14:25.079 --> 01:14:27.159 just said we're drafting him. We think he's the best player. 1549 01:14:27.199 --> 01:14:30.239 But I also think Austin is savvy enough and everybody 1550 01:14:30.239 --> 01:14:34.399 else at the Jazz that if it were true, if 1551 01:14:34.399 --> 01:14:37.640 it felt true to them, I don't they're going to 1552 01:14:37.680 --> 01:14:40.520 have conversations about that before they draft him. They're not. 1553 01:14:41.039 --> 01:14:43.640 I've this has happened before, where there's been a trade 1554 01:14:43.720 --> 01:14:47.720 rumored or there's been an acquisition floated, right, and there's 1555 01:14:47.720 --> 01:14:51.560 been open resistance to coming here. Those are conversations you 1556 01:14:51.640 --> 01:14:53.359 have to have because the last thing you want to 1557 01:14:53.359 --> 01:14:56.119 do is trade for it, is use your pick on 1558 01:14:56.199 --> 01:15:00.439 somebody who's going to then blow up your whatever your planet. Right, 1559 01:15:01.399 --> 01:15:04.279 that didn't happen, So that lead if you say it 1560 01:15:04.359 --> 01:15:07.359 was like some sliver of truth, some rumor got blown 1561 01:15:07.399 --> 01:15:09.960 up into something else, or somebody said something offhand and 1562 01:15:10.000 --> 01:15:13.600 it got somebody ran with it. Whatever happened, whatever the 1563 01:15:13.680 --> 01:15:18.359 rumor mill was doing, and whoever was doing it, I 1564 01:15:18.399 --> 01:15:21.079 firmly believe, or at least I have this much faith 1565 01:15:21.119 --> 01:15:23.680 in Austin Age, and that is that he had some 1566 01:15:23.720 --> 01:15:27.159 conversations with people about whether or not or how much 1567 01:15:27.199 --> 01:15:29.840 of that was true, or it may it may have 1568 01:15:29.840 --> 01:15:31.520 been as simple as this that someone said, you're probably 1569 01:15:31.520 --> 01:15:33.000 going to go to Utah, or it looks like you 1570 01:15:33.079 --> 01:15:34.239 might be going to Utah, and he's like, Utah, I 1571 01:15:34.239 --> 01:15:36.159 don't know where the heck that place is. I wanted 1572 01:15:36.159 --> 01:15:39.840 to go to X who he's eighteen, right, I could 1573 01:15:39.880 --> 01:15:42.960 totally see that happening. Sure, and then that begets all 1574 01:15:42.960 --> 01:15:44.760 these other things he's not going to do. He didn't 1575 01:15:44.760 --> 01:15:47.399 work out for anybody they're looking for. And this is 1576 01:15:47.439 --> 01:15:50.800 where brains work, you know, we look for evidence that 1577 01:15:50.840 --> 01:15:53.319 were right. This is why we have the politics we have. 1578 01:15:54.000 --> 01:15:57.840 You don't hear all the information, You hear your whatever 1579 01:15:57.920 --> 01:16:00.000 bias you have, that whatever confirms that for you. 1580 01:16:00.079 --> 01:16:01.000 Echo Chambers. 1581 01:16:01.279 --> 01:16:03.079 Yes, and so I think that's somewhat, but I mean 1582 01:16:03.079 --> 01:16:06.680 it's happened so often. I believe, I mean, and I 1583 01:16:06.720 --> 01:16:10.079 watched the press conferences, one hundred percent believe that we're 1584 01:16:10.119 --> 01:16:12.520 there if there was a whiff of this before, there 1585 01:16:12.520 --> 01:16:15.399 were conversations that were had, so that even if there 1586 01:16:15.439 --> 01:16:17.960 was reluctance, it was understood what that reluctance was about, 1587 01:16:18.159 --> 01:16:22.279 and so whatever whatever was going on, if it was nothing, 1588 01:16:22.319 --> 01:16:24.199 I mean I heard some music, it was nothing or whatever. 1589 01:16:24.600 --> 01:16:28.520 How many times have we been the purveyors of an 1590 01:16:28.520 --> 01:16:30.760 offense comment. I mean, I've been there when something like 1591 01:16:30.800 --> 01:16:32.760 that's been said and people run with it, and I 1592 01:16:32.760 --> 01:16:34.079 think you got to be kidding me. 1593 01:16:34.159 --> 01:16:35.359 Yeah, that was a joke. 1594 01:16:35.279 --> 01:16:38.920 Or you know, or that was just the reaction. Yeah, 1595 01:16:39.000 --> 01:16:43.359 and again the way things are now, this kid is eighteen, right, 1596 01:16:43.600 --> 01:16:45.840 like you have kid. I have a kid. I hope 1597 01:16:45.840 --> 01:16:47.840 nobody's holding my kid to what she says. 1598 01:16:48.199 --> 01:16:49.079 You know for sure. 1599 01:16:49.800 --> 01:16:52.960 Sometimes me, sometimes I have a reaction like what I mean, 1600 01:16:53.199 --> 01:16:56.199 there are so many things in a meeting or wherever 1601 01:16:56.199 --> 01:16:58.720 where you're like, your initial reaction is that's stupid, I 1602 01:16:58.720 --> 01:17:02.520 don't want that whatever, But like give people room to 1603 01:17:03.119 --> 01:17:06.479 get educated and to get information into maybe evolved, but 1604 01:17:06.520 --> 01:17:08.560 I was super impressed with the press commerence. I liked 1605 01:17:08.560 --> 01:17:12.680 all the picks. I thought it was really fun. I 1606 01:17:12.680 --> 01:17:16.159 have tickets to the Summer League with my grandson and nephews, 1607 01:17:16.199 --> 01:17:19.840 so we're going to go. And my nephew, who's an 1608 01:17:20.000 --> 01:17:23.960 airmanette Hill Air Force Base, has been in a depressive 1609 01:17:24.199 --> 01:17:28.760 state since the lottery. Oh sure, texted me immediately, all 1610 01:17:28.840 --> 01:17:31.199 caps and is beside himself with joy. 1611 01:17:31.279 --> 01:17:32.239 So yeah, good good. 1612 01:17:32.399 --> 01:17:34.199 However it works out, we're going to enjoy it well. 1613 01:17:34.239 --> 01:17:35.920 And the only time will tell. I. 1614 01:17:36.600 --> 01:17:40.159 You know, when it comes to what I feel is 1615 01:17:40.239 --> 01:17:44.680 really unfair messaging about the jazz and Utah and Salt Lake, 1616 01:17:45.279 --> 01:17:47.279 it just makes it hard for those guys to do 1617 01:17:47.319 --> 01:17:50.000 their jobs when they've got to answer all these questions 1618 01:17:50.079 --> 01:17:53.119 misconceptions like no, it's not that weird here, and again, 1619 01:17:53.600 --> 01:17:55.560 you and I both grew up elsewhere. I'm aware of 1620 01:17:55.600 --> 01:17:58.199 the oddities that exists here. I've never ran from them. 1621 01:17:58.239 --> 01:18:01.119 They are real. Okay, it doesn't make it a horrible 1622 01:18:01.159 --> 01:18:01.720 place to live. 1623 01:18:01.760 --> 01:18:04.159 You just have to find out how you traverse the space, 1624 01:18:04.239 --> 01:18:08.840 and you know, respect the culture that essentially is intertwined 1625 01:18:08.880 --> 01:18:10.840 in everything that we do here, Whether you like it 1626 01:18:10.920 --> 01:18:14.039 or not, but it just it makes their job so 1627 01:18:14.239 --> 01:18:16.479 hard when they've got to do this all the time. 1628 01:18:16.560 --> 01:18:18.680 Like another kid doesn't want to come here, another player 1629 01:18:18.680 --> 01:18:19.159 doesn't want. 1630 01:18:19.119 --> 01:18:19.720 Us to trade for him. 1631 01:18:19.720 --> 01:18:23.039 Dennis Lindsay went on a podcast last year and said 1632 01:18:23.159 --> 01:18:26.479 that he had a trade done for a star forward 1633 01:18:26.720 --> 01:18:29.079 I know who is Kevin Love. He had a trade 1634 01:18:29.119 --> 01:18:33.119 done for Kevin Love, and Kevin Love's agent called him 1635 01:18:33.159 --> 01:18:35.680 and said, don't do this. He will not come live 1636 01:18:35.760 --> 01:18:37.239 in Salt Lake, he will not report. 1637 01:18:38.199 --> 01:18:39.079 And so if. 1638 01:18:38.960 --> 01:18:42.359 Austin kind of has this attitude, and again to your point, 1639 01:18:42.399 --> 01:18:45.279 conversation certainly took place that were not privy to. But 1640 01:18:45.319 --> 01:18:47.079 if he's just going to go all in and be like, look, 1641 01:18:47.359 --> 01:18:50.239 we're drafting you, we're trading for you. And then you 1642 01:18:50.279 --> 01:18:52.600 know with Ace, they have seven years, okay, your rookie 1643 01:18:52.680 --> 01:18:55.119 contract four years, then you'll pick up the option for 1644 01:18:55.199 --> 01:18:58.039 the final three unless he wants to be traded. We 1645 01:18:58.079 --> 01:19:00.880 saw with Donovan Gordon left. You know, we do have 1646 01:19:00.960 --> 01:19:05.119 the PTSD of players that we really latched onto leaving here. 1647 01:19:05.680 --> 01:19:08.159 But no, if you're Austin Age, if you're Danny, if 1648 01:19:08.199 --> 01:19:10.279 you're Justin Zanik, if you're Ryan and Ashley said, no, 1649 01:19:10.359 --> 01:19:12.199 we think you're the best player, and we have seven 1650 01:19:12.239 --> 01:19:14.279 years to show you that you can accomplish anything you 1651 01:19:14.319 --> 01:19:15.319 want here in Salt Lake. 1652 01:19:16.119 --> 01:19:17.720 Just go about it unafraid. 1653 01:19:17.960 --> 01:19:20.640 Yeah, and I think they knew they know something about 1654 01:19:20.680 --> 01:19:23.239 these players that we don't. They know more about their background, 1655 01:19:23.279 --> 01:19:25.640 their histories, what their other interests are, because these are 1656 01:19:25.760 --> 01:19:29.399 human beings. They're not like, they're not commodities, right right, 1657 01:19:29.439 --> 01:19:30.920 And it's not so simple as to say, look at 1658 01:19:30.960 --> 01:19:33.000 the stat sheet, you know, and look at what we 1659 01:19:33.039 --> 01:19:35.039 need and let's go for this. I'm sure there was 1660 01:19:35.079 --> 01:19:39.039 a lot of other input about how his personality, how 1661 01:19:39.439 --> 01:19:41.760 you know, what kind of I mean, he's by all 1662 01:19:41.760 --> 01:19:44.079 accounts everything I could read, he's a super gym rat 1663 01:19:44.399 --> 01:19:46.279 I mean, are honest to god. He reminded me a 1664 01:19:46.279 --> 01:19:48.880 lot of Karl Malone. You know, this idea that like, 1665 01:19:48.960 --> 01:19:51.960 I got something to prove and what makes what makes 1666 01:19:52.000 --> 01:19:54.600 it more, what will feed that more, is being in 1667 01:19:54.640 --> 01:19:55.840 a place that has something to prove. 1668 01:19:56.119 --> 01:19:57.439 Right, Yeah, good point. 1669 01:19:57.600 --> 01:20:01.359 I think they're I mean Carl Kyle would which, by 1670 01:20:01.399 --> 01:20:03.239 the way, there's another guy who's had rumors floated every 1671 01:20:03.239 --> 01:20:06.600 single year that he's retiring, right but Kyle Whittingham is 1672 01:20:07.399 --> 01:20:09.880 bread and butter, is getting people to believe that no 1673 01:20:09.920 --> 01:20:11.880 matter what, no matter who's on the rust or no 1674 01:20:11.920 --> 01:20:14.960 matter what they're ranked, no one respects them, right and 1675 01:20:15.000 --> 01:20:18.760 in sports, that can be a huge, huge, huge bonus. 1676 01:20:18.840 --> 01:20:21.760 Yeah, No, for sure. So we'll see, we'll see, we'll 1677 01:20:21.760 --> 01:20:22.920 see how it works out. All right. 1678 01:20:22.920 --> 01:20:26.199 You referenced the Jake rehetzl Jake Rehetzlaf story. We'll get 1679 01:20:26.239 --> 01:20:28.279 to a catch or break and then we'll do that 1680 01:20:28.319 --> 01:20:31.359 coming up on the other side. The civil lawsuit has 1681 01:20:31.399 --> 01:20:34.680 been dismissed and Jake, according to Pete Thamil, has plans 1682 01:20:34.720 --> 01:20:37.600 to transfer because he believes he's going to face the 1683 01:20:37.640 --> 01:20:40.960 seven game suspension for violating the school's honor code. So 1684 01:20:41.000 --> 01:20:43.399 we'll get to that with more local storylines as well. 1685 01:20:43.399 --> 01:20:45.760 Amy Donaldson live in studio for another big segment coming 1686 01:20:45.800 --> 01:20:48.359 up on the other side. Right here on ESPN seven hundred, 1687 01:20:52.239 --> 01:20:53.439 Amy Donaldson is. 1688 01:20:53.399 --> 01:20:54.279 Live in studio. 1689 01:20:54.359 --> 01:20:58.359 I always appreciate Amy's time world traveler back on the 1690 01:20:58.399 --> 01:21:01.640 ground watching any RSL soccer. 1691 01:21:01.640 --> 01:21:04.000 I know you've been traveling, You've been watching any ANRSL. 1692 01:21:04.119 --> 01:21:07.000 I did. We didn't watch the most recent game, but 1693 01:21:07.279 --> 01:21:12.119 the game before and yeah, I'm when I got back, 1694 01:21:12.720 --> 01:21:13.840 Like I said, I feel like I was living in 1695 01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:17.239 another world, especially because rugby is so huge in Australia. Well, 1696 01:21:17.279 --> 01:21:20.000 you were there for a month and they have this thing, 1697 01:21:20.439 --> 01:21:24.760 this origins game where it's super cool. Actually, so all 1698 01:21:24.800 --> 01:21:28.800 these professional players go back to their club teams, kind 1699 01:21:28.800 --> 01:21:31.119 of like if all these NFL players went back to 1700 01:21:31.119 --> 01:21:33.520 their colleges and they had a little tournament, oh like 1701 01:21:33.520 --> 01:21:35.600 in East West East versus West, or like, they go 1702 01:21:35.640 --> 01:21:40.399 back to these rivalries and it's a huge deal. I 1703 01:21:40.439 --> 01:21:42.760 had to kind of get an education about like who 1704 01:21:42.800 --> 01:21:45.720 the rug like because my daughter in law's family is 1705 01:21:45.800 --> 01:21:48.479 so like, you can't cheer for the wrong team. 1706 01:21:48.720 --> 01:21:49.319 Oh okay. 1707 01:21:49.800 --> 01:21:52.079 And then of course, so my daughter and I were 1708 01:21:52.079 --> 01:21:54.880 in this place called Cans. She was there for some training. 1709 01:21:55.239 --> 01:21:57.920 That's when one of the origin games was. The women's 1710 01:21:57.960 --> 01:22:00.199 was the day before we saw part of it, but 1711 01:22:00.239 --> 01:22:02.079 we went with a bunch of people from the training, 1712 01:22:02.279 --> 01:22:04.399 a bunch of social workers. We go to this pub 1713 01:22:04.880 --> 01:22:08.399 and watch rugby and it was a blast. And yeah, 1714 01:22:08.560 --> 01:22:12.159 I just I love for me the cultural aspect. Like 1715 01:22:12.199 --> 01:22:14.600 I watched the gold medal game in the twenty sixteen 1716 01:22:15.039 --> 01:22:16.720 Olympics in Brazil. 1717 01:22:16.920 --> 01:22:19.359 Rugby, Brazil, no soccer. 1718 01:22:19.920 --> 01:22:22.159 They So Brazil was playing in the gold medal game 1719 01:22:22.159 --> 01:22:26.279 in the twenty sixteen Olympics in Rio Macarini Stadium, and 1720 01:22:26.319 --> 01:22:30.119 I'd been to one of the semi round games and 1721 01:22:30.159 --> 01:22:33.239 then in a pool game at Macarena with our buddy 1722 01:22:33.279 --> 01:22:33.920 Chris Cameroni. 1723 01:22:34.000 --> 01:22:34.399 Very nice. 1724 01:22:34.640 --> 01:22:38.199 That was when I was live using periscope and showing 1725 01:22:38.279 --> 01:22:41.159 video of my ride and somebody flashed me. So that 1726 01:22:41.239 --> 01:22:43.880 was cool. Yeah, that was super cool. Learned my lesson 1727 01:22:43.920 --> 01:22:48.640 about live video and so but I decided on the 1728 01:22:48.680 --> 01:22:51.800 gold medal night, listen, I want to go. And these 1729 01:22:51.840 --> 01:22:55.720 people Brazil had not won a gold medal in the 1730 01:22:55.760 --> 01:22:59.800 Olympics in their sport, I mean soccer. There the number 1731 01:22:59.800 --> 01:23:03.119 of leagues, the number of teams, it's just ridiculous. And 1732 01:23:03.159 --> 01:23:05.359 so I went down. They had this pier. They had 1733 01:23:05.359 --> 01:23:08.960 these amazing TVs on the edge. I don't know how 1734 01:23:10.439 --> 01:23:12.960 they were massive. They were like a drive in movie theater, 1735 01:23:13.279 --> 01:23:17.840 size four of them in different locations. And I just 1736 01:23:18.000 --> 01:23:20.359 ate Brazilian food and hung out and talked to people 1737 01:23:20.520 --> 01:23:23.199 and just soaked up the atmosphere and to me, like 1738 01:23:23.279 --> 01:23:27.479 the cultural aspect of sports is as interesting as what's 1739 01:23:27.520 --> 01:23:30.199 happening in the game. Why did they win? Because I 1740 01:23:30.239 --> 01:23:32.239 know that's what everyone expects from a sports writer, and 1741 01:23:32.279 --> 01:23:34.399 so I was tempted to do that. It's so hard 1742 01:23:34.439 --> 01:23:36.640 to not, you know, to not be there for the 1743 01:23:36.640 --> 01:23:39.680 gold medal game. But I am so glad I did it. 1744 01:23:39.680 --> 01:23:42.960 It was really incredible, and especially because these are people 1745 01:23:42.960 --> 01:23:44.760 who they couldn't afford a ticket, so they're not in 1746 01:23:44.800 --> 01:23:47.920 the stadium, right and maybe they've never been inside Macarina Stadium, 1747 01:23:48.000 --> 01:23:51.319 but they've been to the parties outside and yeah, and 1748 01:23:51.359 --> 01:23:52.720 so I think it was a little bit of that. 1749 01:23:52.800 --> 01:23:55.560 I love when I go somewhere to just even if 1750 01:23:55.560 --> 01:23:58.159 I don't know the teams, I don't know what's happening. 1751 01:23:58.960 --> 01:24:01.479 And of course you get into it, right, Like I 1752 01:24:01.479 --> 01:24:03.079 got into an argument with a guy about whether or 1753 01:24:03.079 --> 01:24:04.640 not there was there should have been a foul. I'm like, 1754 01:24:04.680 --> 01:24:06.039 oh my god, you're such a home or it wasn't 1755 01:24:06.039 --> 01:24:08.840 a foul, you know, So and again I keep saying, 1756 01:24:08.880 --> 01:24:11.039 I'm like, I'm not biased, so my opinion is right. 1757 01:24:12.279 --> 01:24:16.840 But but you know, I covered rugby seven's in at 1758 01:24:16.840 --> 01:24:20.279 the Olympics and a little bit of rugby here with 1759 01:24:20.319 --> 01:24:23.800 the Utael Warriors. So I know the game and know 1760 01:24:23.880 --> 01:24:27.399 the rules, I should say, but so much fun and 1761 01:24:27.640 --> 01:24:32.239 everybody plays. I mean, little girls are getting their stuff 1762 01:24:32.239 --> 01:24:36.600 to go to their footy practices. My little grand adopted 1763 01:24:36.680 --> 01:24:39.000 grandson over there, my daughter in law's nephew. He's my 1764 01:24:39.039 --> 01:24:42.640 little grand baby too. Now he's playing or soccer on 1765 01:24:42.640 --> 01:24:45.800 one field with his buddies. And adjacent is these little 1766 01:24:45.840 --> 01:24:49.319 kids playing rugby. Everybody plays. It's so huge, it's so 1767 01:24:49.600 --> 01:24:53.840 I mean, my daughter has signed up for Who's this 1768 01:24:53.920 --> 01:24:56.359 is a kid I could not get to play sports? 1769 01:24:56.399 --> 01:24:59.640 Like she did cross country running and I coached her 1770 01:24:59.640 --> 01:25:01.439 in soft for two years and she's like, this is 1771 01:25:01.439 --> 01:25:04.359 not my game. She played little kids soccer, but yeah 1772 01:25:04.399 --> 01:25:07.039 I did not. But she's playing in a rugby tournament, 1773 01:25:07.159 --> 01:25:10.279 you know A yeah, so it's just a huge, huge 1774 01:25:10.760 --> 01:25:12.960 I did do a CrossFit competition while I was there 1775 01:25:13.079 --> 01:25:16.239 in Australia. Yeah, so my kid, don't listen. Your kids 1776 01:25:16.239 --> 01:25:17.319 will rope you into stuff. 1777 01:25:17.359 --> 01:25:18.319 Well do you just. 1778 01:25:19.800 --> 01:25:22.680 You're so desperate to be with your children when you're 1779 01:25:22.680 --> 01:25:25.479 an adult, right, Like, so they say, do you want 1780 01:25:25.479 --> 01:25:28.199 to take me to lunch? You'll buy lunch for them 1781 01:25:28.239 --> 01:25:30.279 because you want to be with them, right. So my 1782 01:25:30.399 --> 01:25:32.600 kid was like, I want to do this CrossFit thing. 1783 01:25:32.600 --> 01:25:34.279 We need a third Do you think you could do it? 1784 01:25:34.359 --> 01:25:36.319 And I was like sure, I've been lifting weights and 1785 01:25:36.439 --> 01:25:39.279 I do waits twice twice a week. You know our 1786 01:25:39.359 --> 01:25:42.720 old people waits. So she sends me the workout and 1787 01:25:42.760 --> 01:25:44.159 I was like, this is going to be hard. So 1788 01:25:44.279 --> 01:25:47.359 I really I put my mind to it for a 1789 01:25:47.359 --> 01:25:49.920 solid month. I worked really hard. We get there, and 1790 01:25:49.960 --> 01:25:54.000 what I learned is that's one of the workouts. It's 1791 01:25:54.039 --> 01:25:57.960 across the competition. There is a series of workouts, and 1792 01:25:58.000 --> 01:25:59.880 that was one. I thought that was the whole thing. 1793 01:26:00.000 --> 01:26:02.000 In fact, when they said you have to climb a 1794 01:26:02.079 --> 01:26:04.640 rope and touch the ceiling, I just looked at my 1795 01:26:05.199 --> 01:26:08.039 husband and was like, what is happening? Where are we? 1796 01:26:08.800 --> 01:26:09.560 It's a big ass. 1797 01:26:09.680 --> 01:26:12.800 And then I started assessing I was the oldest by 1798 01:26:12.800 --> 01:26:16.279 fifteen years, and I was like, this is not happening. 1799 01:26:16.279 --> 01:26:19.840 But I'm telling you there is something about your competitiveness 1800 01:26:19.920 --> 01:26:22.199 never goes away. Because they told me what we had 1801 01:26:22.439 --> 01:26:24.399 as a team, we would have to do these burpies. 1802 01:26:24.880 --> 01:26:27.640 If I didn't do the rope climb, oh, my whole 1803 01:26:27.680 --> 01:26:29.680 team has to do it. And I was like, I'm 1804 01:26:29.680 --> 01:26:32.479 not penalizing my team. I did the rope climb, I broke, 1805 01:26:32.640 --> 01:26:34.880 I did it. Yeah. So but yeah, it was super 1806 01:26:34.880 --> 01:26:40.239 fun and now I'm super I want to watch more rugby. 1807 01:26:40.279 --> 01:26:41.079 It was really fun. 1808 01:26:41.159 --> 01:26:41.359 Yeah. 1809 01:26:41.399 --> 01:26:44.880 And your point about the cultural significance of things that 1810 01:26:45.520 --> 01:26:49.079 are away from the competition, I find to be very 1811 01:26:49.119 --> 01:26:53.239 applicable for sports like rugby or soccer that I just 1812 01:26:53.319 --> 01:26:57.560 wasn't raised with. Right, Like when we first brought oursell 1813 01:26:57.560 --> 01:27:00.439 here on two thousand and four, I've told you very 1814 01:27:00.520 --> 01:27:02.760 lukewarm to the whole endeavor. I'm like, what are you doing? 1815 01:27:02.840 --> 01:27:05.920 Soccer doesn't work? And like I told my father, I'm like, 1816 01:27:05.960 --> 01:27:07.920 this is a bad idea. You know that Now obviously 1817 01:27:08.000 --> 01:27:08.399 he was right. 1818 01:27:08.439 --> 01:27:09.000 I was wrong. 1819 01:27:09.880 --> 01:27:14.119 And my friends who were soccer fans still soccer fans, 1820 01:27:14.520 --> 01:27:16.239 you know, they all said the same thing. You've got 1821 01:27:16.279 --> 01:27:18.920 to go overseas. You've got to see something in the Premiership. 1822 01:27:19.239 --> 01:27:20.800 You got to go to Germany. You got to see 1823 01:27:20.800 --> 01:27:23.960 what it's like over there. And my first eye opening, 1824 01:27:24.159 --> 01:27:28.279 oh wow, okay soccer means everything to these people was 1825 01:27:28.319 --> 01:27:31.279 seeing a Tottenham game in London, you know, seeing a 1826 01:27:31.319 --> 01:27:36.239 Premiership game, Because I think we have some parallels here. 1827 01:27:36.319 --> 01:27:39.000 You and I have talked about like football is our soccer, 1828 01:27:39.000 --> 01:27:42.279 football is America's soccer. But like, I don't even know 1829 01:27:42.319 --> 01:27:44.039 that that doesn't baseball. 1830 01:27:44.199 --> 01:27:46.560 I mean, I think I grew up more with baseball, 1831 01:27:46.600 --> 01:27:48.479 but you know, and when I was a kid boxing, 1832 01:27:49.199 --> 01:27:51.880 my dad was super big into boxing. I mean, I 1833 01:27:51.920 --> 01:27:54.239 think it's probably whatever you grow up around, right, like whatever, 1834 01:27:54.399 --> 01:27:57.319 but baseball was the thing, and I do think there's 1835 01:27:57.319 --> 01:27:59.199 a big cal I mean, and then when I went 1836 01:27:59.239 --> 01:28:02.439 to high school in Alaska, hockey is bigger than football. 1837 01:28:02.920 --> 01:28:05.520 I mean, like I can't it's hard to imagine, but 1838 01:28:05.800 --> 01:28:08.159 all the cute girls wanted to be hockey cheerleaders, right, 1839 01:28:08.199 --> 01:28:09.840 And I was like, why would you want to wear 1840 01:28:09.920 --> 01:28:10.960 skirt and a hockey arena? 1841 01:28:11.439 --> 01:28:11.520 Right? 1842 01:28:11.600 --> 01:28:13.399 Yeah, but you know, we took hockey for pe Like 1843 01:28:13.760 --> 01:28:17.960 there was just this culture of toughness and like eighty blow, 1844 01:28:18.039 --> 01:28:20.960 Well let's play hockey, you know outside we need to 1845 01:28:21.000 --> 01:28:24.680 have you know, I don't need gloves, you know. It 1846 01:28:24.680 --> 01:28:30.079 It was and there is this whole cultural you know. 1847 01:28:30.920 --> 01:28:33.960 Watching the gold medal game between the USA and Canada 1848 01:28:34.680 --> 01:28:36.720 here in Salt Lake in two thousand and two, yeah, 1849 01:28:36.880 --> 01:28:38.880 one of the greatest. That was one of the greatest 1850 01:28:38.880 --> 01:28:42.640 sports experience in my life totally because I had done 1851 01:28:42.680 --> 01:28:45.199 a previews, I had done the story about the scalpers outside, 1852 01:28:45.239 --> 01:28:47.560 so I just was My assignment was sit and enjoy 1853 01:28:47.600 --> 01:28:49.479 the game. So I just watched the game. I did 1854 01:28:49.560 --> 01:28:53.159 end up writing a feature about Wayne Gretzky Canada one, 1855 01:28:53.359 --> 01:28:55.640 but that was the last minute call from the boss. 1856 01:28:55.680 --> 01:28:58.479 I was just sitting at center eyes, eating my cinnamon 1857 01:28:58.520 --> 01:29:01.880 covered nuts, thinking, like, I've guided gun in heaven because 1858 01:29:01.880 --> 01:29:04.960 you grow up with this culture of like we would 1859 01:29:04.960 --> 01:29:08.279 play hockey on any surface, like we would fall down 1860 01:29:08.319 --> 01:29:11.319 one thousand times because the ice was so crappy, but 1861 01:29:11.520 --> 01:29:14.279 there's this toughness that comes with it that and that 1862 01:29:14.399 --> 01:29:16.000 was in the women's game too. It was just so 1863 01:29:16.119 --> 01:29:19.560 much fun. So yeah, I love watching sports in other 1864 01:29:19.600 --> 01:29:24.640 countries and other cultures. And again the difficulty is understanding 1865 01:29:24.640 --> 01:29:28.039 what was happening, but being with people. If you understand 1866 01:29:28.079 --> 01:29:29.119 the game a little bit or even. 1867 01:29:29.039 --> 01:29:31.560 Though the rules, there's nothing like it, no, for sure. 1868 01:29:31.600 --> 01:29:34.239 And I was actually talking about this with Pablo last 1869 01:29:34.279 --> 01:29:38.119 week because Diego Diego Luna, who has been the lone 1870 01:29:38.199 --> 01:29:40.840 bride spot for this soccer club, that just can't figure 1871 01:29:40.840 --> 01:29:41.119 it out. 1872 01:29:41.199 --> 01:29:43.359 Not lone bright Spot, I mean Johnny Russell. When I 1873 01:29:43.399 --> 01:29:46.039 came back and found out that Johnny Russell had come 1874 01:29:46.119 --> 01:29:50.359 to RSL, I was like, wait, what, Yeah, but that's 1875 01:29:50.359 --> 01:29:53.520 one of those things that could be cultural, right sure. 1876 01:29:53.760 --> 01:29:56.199 And then the two games I think I've seen him 1877 01:29:56.239 --> 01:29:59.079 score is two goals goals. Yeah. 1878 01:29:59.520 --> 01:29:59.720 Yeah. 1879 01:29:59.760 --> 01:30:03.439 So so the reason I'm bringing up the Diego I 1880 01:30:03.520 --> 01:30:06.119 was announced last week, right before Pablo jumped on the show, 1881 01:30:06.119 --> 01:30:08.560 that Diego was named it All Star. Yeah, for the 1882 01:30:08.600 --> 01:30:10.479 second straight year. And then you pull up the list 1883 01:30:10.520 --> 01:30:13.359 Diego will be playing in that game next to Lino Messi, 1884 01:30:14.199 --> 01:30:17.920 and I fully admit that I don't think I have 1885 01:30:18.000 --> 01:30:20.680 frame of reference for what that means in the ecosystem 1886 01:30:20.720 --> 01:30:23.840 of who Messi is in the game of soccer, world football. 1887 01:30:24.000 --> 01:30:25.159 But imagine being Diego. 1888 01:30:25.560 --> 01:30:29.319 That's what I'm saying, Like it's Michael Jordan, it's Tiger Woods, 1889 01:30:29.359 --> 01:30:31.800 But that might not even do a justice with how 1890 01:30:31.840 --> 01:30:34.239 big the sport of soccer is worldwide, and most people 1891 01:30:34.239 --> 01:30:36.159 believe he is the greatest that's ever done it. 1892 01:30:36.159 --> 01:30:37.159 It's a really cool thing. 1893 01:30:37.239 --> 01:30:39.840 Well, and I just saw someone made a TikTok about 1894 01:30:39.880 --> 01:30:42.560 Diego when he broke his nose. Yeah, and I don't 1895 01:30:42.560 --> 01:30:44.199 know if you saw this, but he said, like, if 1896 01:30:44.199 --> 01:30:49.279 this is the mentality of our US men's team, this 1897 01:30:49.319 --> 01:30:51.560 is he said, this is American and you know, and 1898 01:30:51.640 --> 01:30:55.640 I thought, it is that like we love that sort 1899 01:30:55.720 --> 01:31:00.720 of you know, as much as we love the like wolf, 1900 01:31:00.840 --> 01:31:04.960 you know, individual is rugged individualism type of thing. When 1901 01:31:05.000 --> 01:31:08.399 it meets that, I'm not I won't quit. I can 1902 01:31:08.479 --> 01:31:11.039 have a broken nose, put a put a rag up 1903 01:31:11.079 --> 01:31:12.680 my nose, and send me back in the coach game, 1904 01:31:12.880 --> 01:31:16.039 you know that that idea. I saw people going nuts 1905 01:31:16.159 --> 01:31:19.199 and he's like all these floppers and you know, fakers 1906 01:31:19.199 --> 01:31:21.399 and whatever, and then we got this guy. It's like, 1907 01:31:21.880 --> 01:31:25.079 that's actually like that is a thing. That's a crossover 1908 01:31:25.399 --> 01:31:28.600 because that's one of the reasons people love football so much. 1909 01:31:28.920 --> 01:31:33.239 My dad loved about boxing. Is you get, as I 1910 01:31:33.319 --> 01:31:36.399 used to say, losing in football is so painful because 1911 01:31:36.439 --> 01:31:39.920 it's so painful. You know, you don't just lose. You 1912 01:31:39.920 --> 01:31:42.399 don't just walk off and say that was humiliated. You 1913 01:31:42.520 --> 01:31:45.560 also then feel it in every bone and ligament in 1914 01:31:45.600 --> 01:31:49.479 your body for the next week. But but that that 1915 01:31:49.600 --> 01:31:51.359 was I thought that was an ines. I thought, oh, 1916 01:31:51.439 --> 01:31:53.359 this is this is that moment. I'm looking for that, 1917 01:31:53.479 --> 01:31:57.640 like where Americans see themselves in an international game, or 1918 01:31:57.680 --> 01:32:00.720 they see themselves in players who are steeped in this 1919 01:32:00.800 --> 01:32:02.720 international games culture before we. 1920 01:32:02.600 --> 01:32:03.479 Move off of RSL. 1921 01:32:03.520 --> 01:32:05.920 I'm just realizing, because you've been away for so long 1922 01:32:06.000 --> 01:32:07.680 that I don't think I've talked to you about the 1923 01:32:07.680 --> 01:32:08.560 ownership transition. 1924 01:32:09.239 --> 01:32:11.760 The Millers are now the majority. You know, we may have, 1925 01:32:12.119 --> 01:32:12.600 we may. 1926 01:32:12.439 --> 01:32:14.039 Have discussed a little bit because I went out to 1927 01:32:14.079 --> 01:32:14.760 the press conference. 1928 01:32:14.880 --> 01:32:16.840 That's right, That's right, we did a little bit. 1929 01:32:16.920 --> 01:32:19.000 I think it's super exciting. I think I told the 1930 01:32:19.039 --> 01:32:19.920 Larry Miller stories. 1931 01:32:20.000 --> 01:32:20.680 Yeah, that's right. 1932 01:32:20.760 --> 01:32:23.359 It also appears to be a bit of a paradigm shift. 1933 01:32:23.760 --> 01:32:26.800 Now I've had three different RSL guests with three different messaging, 1934 01:32:26.840 --> 01:32:29.199 and you know, three different messages about this. 1935 01:32:29.319 --> 01:32:30.720 It was kind of funny because. 1936 01:32:30.479 --> 01:32:35.960 Pablo joined the show, and I always complain when RSL 1937 01:32:36.239 --> 01:32:38.840 sells great players that they've developed, like why can't they 1938 01:32:38.840 --> 01:32:44.359 play for us? I understand the economic value Andres Gomez 1939 01:32:44.399 --> 01:32:47.279 proof of concept twelve thirteen million, you know, goes over 1940 01:32:47.319 --> 01:32:50.520 to I get it, But like Diego is the guy 1941 01:32:50.600 --> 01:32:52.399 that I do not want to see go anywhere he's 1942 01:32:52.439 --> 01:32:55.199 so bright and he's so young. So Pablo hops on 1943 01:32:55.239 --> 01:32:57.079 the show and he's like, hey, we're not looking to 1944 01:32:57.119 --> 01:33:00.000 sell our young players anymore. Jason hopped on the show 1945 01:33:00.039 --> 01:33:02.399 and he's like, Wow, that's not entirely true, and then 1946 01:33:02.479 --> 01:33:04.239 Kurt kind of eco Jason sediment. 1947 01:33:04.520 --> 01:33:05.560 But it does appear. 1948 01:33:05.760 --> 01:33:08.319 With Steve Stark's and the Miller family now running things, 1949 01:33:08.359 --> 01:33:10.079 there might be a bit of a paradigm shift where 1950 01:33:10.119 --> 01:33:12.680 if we develop some of these young players through the 1951 01:33:12.680 --> 01:33:14.560 academy and they turn out to be good players for 1952 01:33:14.600 --> 01:33:16.319 the senior team, maybe they'll be around here for the 1953 01:33:16.359 --> 01:33:17.600 long at least that's my hope. 1954 01:33:17.880 --> 01:33:20.880 Yeah. I think that paradigm shift you're talking about has 1955 01:33:20.920 --> 01:33:22.800 something to do with what we talked about at the 1956 01:33:22.840 --> 01:33:25.359 beginning of this whole thing, and that is they understand 1957 01:33:25.359 --> 01:33:27.279 how hard it is to convince people this is a 1958 01:33:27.279 --> 01:33:30.960 great place to be right and so internationally it's a 1959 01:33:30.960 --> 01:33:33.560 little bit less of an issue because coming to America 1960 01:33:33.680 --> 01:33:36.640 such a culture shock there's playing in the MLS is 1961 01:33:36.640 --> 01:33:39.760 so different. But I think there is still when you're 1962 01:33:39.760 --> 01:33:41.359 trying to trade for players and when you're trying to 1963 01:33:41.359 --> 01:33:44.399 get respect, there is still this underdog, you know, nobody 1964 01:33:44.439 --> 01:33:46.640 wants to play here thing, and so if you can 1965 01:33:46.680 --> 01:33:50.479 grow them yourself and they have loyalty and they have 1966 01:33:50.600 --> 01:33:53.239 roots here, that is I think the thing that the 1967 01:33:53.279 --> 01:33:56.079 Millers understand maybe better than anybody else. 1968 01:33:56.199 --> 01:33:58.159 Well, and talk about proof of concept. 1969 01:33:58.520 --> 01:34:00.479 I know the Jazz never want a champion ship under 1970 01:34:00.479 --> 01:34:02.680 the Miller regime, but they were more often than not 1971 01:34:02.880 --> 01:34:04.279 really good and really competitive. 1972 01:34:04.479 --> 01:34:06.199 We got spoiled, we did, we did. 1973 01:34:06.279 --> 01:34:07.359 Were we going to talk about Jake? 1974 01:34:07.479 --> 01:34:10.920 Oh, we're getting there. Yeah, we're getting there. I'm keeping 1975 01:34:11.000 --> 01:34:12.880 about ten minutes. I figured we end with that, so 1976 01:34:12.960 --> 01:34:13.920 let's move over. Now. 1977 01:34:14.520 --> 01:34:17.680 We were talking about, you know, football tribalism and when 1978 01:34:17.720 --> 01:34:20.199 a story like this surfaces. And let me just say 1979 01:34:20.199 --> 01:34:23.399 this right off the bat, I've never loved covering honor 1980 01:34:23.439 --> 01:34:26.479 code violations at BYU. I don't really love discussing it 1981 01:34:26.560 --> 01:34:30.279 like I just think it's weird societally where people are 1982 01:34:30.279 --> 01:34:31.960 obsessed with who other people are sleeping with. 1983 01:34:32.000 --> 01:34:33.239 It's never been like a thing for me. 1984 01:34:33.520 --> 01:34:36.159 I look at the honor code as team rules. So 1985 01:34:36.680 --> 01:34:39.840 like when a coach talks about somebody being it happens 1986 01:34:39.840 --> 01:34:42.960 in every program they broke team rules or whatever. So 1987 01:34:43.119 --> 01:34:45.840 the honor code is just a probably more strict than 1988 01:34:45.840 --> 01:34:49.880 most team rules and more personal, right, it feels more personal? 1989 01:34:49.960 --> 01:34:51.720 Yeah, you know, yeah, for sure. 1990 01:34:51.479 --> 01:34:53.720 Those are the things that were that make us uncomfortable. 1991 01:34:53.760 --> 01:34:56.720 So for our listener's frame of reference, Jake Rhetz Laugh 1992 01:34:56.960 --> 01:35:00.239 had the civil suit filed a few months ago, and 1993 01:35:00.279 --> 01:35:01.960 our friends of the Tribune have done a good job 1994 01:35:02.000 --> 01:35:06.000 with this, uh, and the civil lawsuit was dropped. 1995 01:35:06.039 --> 01:35:06.960 It has been dismissed. 1996 01:35:07.000 --> 01:35:09.920 Excuse me, probably a settlement, you know, I think it's 1997 01:35:09.960 --> 01:35:10.680 okay to say. 1998 01:35:10.560 --> 01:35:11.000 That out loud. 1999 01:35:11.000 --> 01:35:12.760 I have no idea, but that would be my guess. 2000 01:35:13.279 --> 01:35:16.640 And then Jake has elected according to the Tribune. According 2001 01:35:16.640 --> 01:35:19.319 to Kyle Bonneger and Pete Thamil from ESPN, Jake has 2002 01:35:19.359 --> 01:35:23.359 elected to transfer because he's facing a seven game suspension. 2003 01:35:24.880 --> 01:35:27.079 And all of these things are reports there. Nothing is 2004 01:35:27.520 --> 01:35:29.479 direct from that it is correct, and nothing is direct 2005 01:35:29.479 --> 01:35:32.319 from school because under Tom Holmo, they used to announce 2006 01:35:32.479 --> 01:35:35.560 when an honor code violation had occurred and what the 2007 01:35:35.560 --> 01:35:38.199 punishment was. Yes, they wouldn't always tell you what happened, 2008 01:35:38.199 --> 01:35:39.880 but he would know his honor code. So we would 2009 01:35:39.920 --> 01:35:42.880 all be like, something has to do with sex or drinking, right, right, 2010 01:35:43.119 --> 01:35:45.640 and then and that's a bad assumption because we don't 2011 01:35:45.680 --> 01:35:48.920 know sure, but whatever. So Tom Holmo, and I think 2012 01:35:49.000 --> 01:35:51.880 very wisely said, look, this is not this is not necessary. 2013 01:35:52.359 --> 01:35:54.720 We're going to let you know that you know, there's 2014 01:35:54.720 --> 01:35:57.279 been a violation of team rules or whatever, and the 2015 01:35:57.319 --> 01:35:59.960 discipline will stay private. Yes, And I think that was 2016 01:36:00.079 --> 01:36:02.760 a good call. I don't know what I heard. What 2017 01:36:02.840 --> 01:36:04.680 I heard and read, and I was reading Ja Drew's 2018 01:36:04.720 --> 01:36:07.640 stuff from Desert News as well, and that is that 2019 01:36:08.399 --> 01:36:10.439 he was telling friends and family a couple days ago 2020 01:36:10.479 --> 01:36:13.199 that I think Saturday nights when I read it that 2021 01:36:13.279 --> 01:36:15.399 he was going to be transferring because he'd had a 2022 01:36:15.399 --> 01:36:18.199 meeting with coaches and administrators and they had said, hey, 2023 01:36:18.279 --> 01:36:20.439 you're probably gonna have to have a seven game suspension. 2024 01:36:20.960 --> 01:36:24.439 And I mean, I think everyone's question was and I 2025 01:36:24.439 --> 01:36:26.760 think one things that's important to note is that his 2026 01:36:26.880 --> 01:36:33.920 attorneys responded to the suit, and that response was incredibly detailed, 2027 01:36:33.960 --> 01:36:38.399 and I people were having many feelings about the response 2028 01:36:38.640 --> 01:36:41.560 and the detail of it and what was alleged and 2029 01:36:41.600 --> 01:36:45.279 what his defense was. And I think that it is 2030 01:36:45.319 --> 01:36:48.079 not surprising to me that after that response, which was 2031 01:36:48.199 --> 01:36:52.359 really brutal, two things happened. He gets told you're going 2032 01:36:52.399 --> 01:36:54.680 to get an Honor Code violation and decides to go 2033 01:36:55.279 --> 01:36:57.039 and the suit is settled or dropped. 2034 01:36:57.119 --> 01:36:59.720 Yeah, and that's where we're at. That's what's happened. 2035 01:37:00.720 --> 01:37:00.880 You know. 2036 01:37:00.920 --> 01:37:05.199 I can remember when these things would kind of either 2037 01:37:05.359 --> 01:37:09.000 publicly manifest themselves or there'd be rumors of what's happening 2038 01:37:09.039 --> 01:37:11.319 behind the scenes. A lot of people that do the 2039 01:37:11.399 --> 01:37:14.640 jobs that we do in media would cry that this 2040 01:37:14.680 --> 01:37:17.000 thing needs to be changed. B YU needs to change 2041 01:37:17.039 --> 01:37:18.600 the Honor Code. It is too punitive. 2042 01:37:19.159 --> 01:37:21.199 They're not going to do that, Okay. 2043 01:37:21.359 --> 01:37:24.159 I don't I don't ever think people shouldn't change their 2044 01:37:24.199 --> 01:37:27.239 own you know, whatever their rules are exactly. I just 2045 01:37:27.279 --> 01:37:32.399 want you to apply your rules fairly and consistently. Yes, 2046 01:37:32.680 --> 01:37:35.479 that's always been my issue. I had one of the 2047 01:37:35.800 --> 01:37:39.079 my only interest ever in the Honor Code was when 2048 01:37:39.119 --> 01:37:43.119 it was applied more strictly or more punitively to women 2049 01:37:43.680 --> 01:37:47.079 than to men. And that was a problem. But outside 2050 01:37:47.119 --> 01:37:48.960 of that, like, you know what you're signing up for, 2051 01:37:49.159 --> 01:37:51.720 I mean one hundred percent, I mean think about like 2052 01:37:52.000 --> 01:37:55.000 BYU is Jake's third school, right, right. So the fact 2053 01:37:55.039 --> 01:37:56.520 that I mean, and that is the way it is 2054 01:37:56.560 --> 01:38:01.239 now was it was it? Walt had been to three 2055 01:38:01.279 --> 01:38:06.399 schools also, I mean like two Florida and then who's 2056 01:38:06.439 --> 01:38:10.880 the second round pick the Yeah, he's a four or three. 2057 01:38:10.960 --> 01:38:13.159 He's a three school So I mean like that's sort 2058 01:38:13.159 --> 01:38:16.159 of the way we're going now. So I don't I 2059 01:38:16.199 --> 01:38:17.680 don't know who's going to take him. I think it's 2060 01:38:17.720 --> 01:38:20.399 the timing that's the problem for Jake. But I think 2061 01:38:20.479 --> 01:38:25.840 that response was as they say, it was no holds barred, 2062 01:38:26.279 --> 01:38:30.319 that he was defending himself with every everything he could 2063 01:38:30.359 --> 01:38:32.199 throw at this woman. 2064 01:38:32.319 --> 01:38:36.680 Do you think the weight of his response motivated her 2065 01:38:36.760 --> 01:38:38.479 to try to come together and just get this thing 2066 01:38:38.479 --> 01:38:38.960 figured out? 2067 01:38:39.000 --> 01:38:39.079 So? 2068 01:38:39.399 --> 01:38:44.199 Absolutely absolutely, Because here's the thing. Sexual assault victims don't 2069 01:38:44.239 --> 01:38:48.199 report crimes because there is, as you said, there's this 2070 01:38:48.279 --> 01:38:51.319 uncomfortability with reporting on on our code violations that have 2071 01:38:51.359 --> 01:38:54.119 something to do with pre mariital sex. Imagine trying to 2072 01:38:54.119 --> 01:38:56.239 report a crime that has something it's it's a crime, 2073 01:38:56.279 --> 01:38:59.960 but it's also a personal violation that people still see 2074 01:39:00.039 --> 01:39:03.600 as a purity or you know, a moral failing that 2075 01:39:03.640 --> 01:39:06.159 this happened to you, right, And so there's so much 2076 01:39:06.199 --> 01:39:09.800 tied up in it. There's so much psychologically and emotionally 2077 01:39:09.880 --> 01:39:13.760 and and and I'm sure physically that I think it's 2078 01:39:13.800 --> 01:39:17.000 difficult to deal with a system that wants to deal 2079 01:39:17.000 --> 01:39:19.760 with facts and evidence. Your body is a crime scene. 2080 01:39:20.319 --> 01:39:25.039 Think about that, right, That is a difficult thing to 2081 01:39:25.159 --> 01:39:28.920 even for me to even fathom. And so that reality 2082 01:39:29.880 --> 01:39:31.960 was a struggle for her, and that she admitted that 2083 01:39:32.000 --> 01:39:36.039 in her suit when the response came and it was 2084 01:39:36.399 --> 01:39:40.439 allegations about there were he wasn't the one who did it. It 2085 01:39:40.479 --> 01:39:42.640 was a different player, and the other player wasn't famous, 2086 01:39:42.640 --> 01:39:44.560 and you know, it wasn't first you know, it wasn't 2087 01:39:44.560 --> 01:39:49.600 an nil money. The brutality of the of what you 2088 01:39:49.600 --> 01:39:53.199 can do to defend yourself in civil court, I think 2089 01:39:53.239 --> 01:39:57.159 that was probably I think it was a painful thing 2090 01:39:57.199 --> 01:39:59.960 to realize it. Now. I'm not saying that she didn't 2091 01:40:00.239 --> 01:40:02.319 say I want to go and you know whatever, I 2092 01:40:02.359 --> 01:40:05.680 don't know any of those details. I can imagine that 2093 01:40:05.840 --> 01:40:08.680 reading that was incredibly whether it's true or not, whether 2094 01:40:09.119 --> 01:40:11.960 however you see it, right and listen, I don't fault 2095 01:40:12.079 --> 01:40:14.239 Jake's attorneys for doing what they did. 2096 01:40:14.319 --> 01:40:15.279 Yeah, right, I. 2097 01:40:17.199 --> 01:40:19.680 Everybody there were people who were critical and talking about 2098 01:40:19.680 --> 01:40:23.520 how brutal it was and unfair. Look, Jake would make 2099 01:40:23.560 --> 01:40:26.199 you the same argument. We don't know what he did. 2100 01:40:26.239 --> 01:40:28.319 We don't know if we don't know who's telling the truth. 2101 01:40:28.680 --> 01:40:31.560 So that's what the courts are for. But hashing out 2102 01:40:31.600 --> 01:40:35.720 something like that is so emotionally painful, and it's going 2103 01:40:35.800 --> 01:40:39.079 to go on for years. Yeah, and so I imagine 2104 01:40:39.199 --> 01:40:42.359 that if there was a settlement, that was an incredibly 2105 01:40:42.399 --> 01:40:46.920 persuasive thing because that I can't imagine reading that stuff 2106 01:40:46.960 --> 01:40:51.720 about myself, my loved one and thinking I can sustain 2107 01:40:51.800 --> 01:40:53.720 this kind of fight for years. 2108 01:40:53.800 --> 01:40:55.880 No, it's good perspective, you know. 2109 01:40:56.199 --> 01:40:59.319 It was one of the reasons I always don't really 2110 01:40:59.399 --> 01:41:03.239 enjoy cover ding honor code violations like this is it's 2111 01:41:03.279 --> 01:41:05.560 a sports soccer radio show, so there is a sports 2112 01:41:05.560 --> 01:41:07.359 angle to it, but it feels like it's so much 2113 01:41:07.560 --> 01:41:11.560 more heavy, there's so much weight to it as opposed 2114 01:41:11.560 --> 01:41:13.520 to like, all right, let's debate who the backup quarterback 2115 01:41:13.600 --> 01:41:15.199 is and who's going to start. Like, No, there are 2116 01:41:15.920 --> 01:41:19.319 very serious allegations that were alleged, and to your point, 2117 01:41:19.399 --> 01:41:22.119 we don't know what's true and what isn't. That's not 2118 01:41:22.279 --> 01:41:24.840 for me to litigate on air. I just try to 2119 01:41:24.880 --> 01:41:26.760 look at the information and then just try to go 2120 01:41:26.800 --> 01:41:29.880 from there. But as far as the optics of how 2121 01:41:29.880 --> 01:41:31.800 this looks for the school, what are your thoughts on 2122 01:41:31.840 --> 01:41:35.119 that there? Because I can remember when Brandon Davies had 2123 01:41:35.119 --> 01:41:37.680 his suspension in twenty eleven. I mean that was a 2124 01:41:37.760 --> 01:41:38.640 basketball team. 2125 01:41:38.760 --> 01:41:41.319 That's the one that I remember them changing the policy. 2126 01:41:41.399 --> 01:41:43.520 And it's hard to say like they would have won 2127 01:41:43.560 --> 01:41:46.279 the national championship because the NCAA tournament. 2128 01:41:45.960 --> 01:41:47.039 Is redifficult that way. 2129 01:41:47.119 --> 01:41:48.960 You just felt like, well, they were good. 2130 01:41:50.079 --> 01:41:52.880 He was so good, and Jimmer was full Jimmer at 2131 01:41:52.880 --> 01:41:55.119 the time, and Brandon was a perfect compliment to him. 2132 01:41:55.680 --> 01:41:58.720 And I can remember when that came down when Brandon 2133 01:41:58.800 --> 01:42:01.520 was suspended for the nc Double Tournament. We had two factions. 2134 01:42:02.079 --> 01:42:05.720 One faction was what are we doing here? We have 2135 01:42:05.760 --> 01:42:07.520 a really good team, and the other faction was, no, 2136 01:42:07.680 --> 01:42:10.199 this is who we are. And so I don't really 2137 01:42:10.199 --> 01:42:11.960 know where to land with that. I wonder what you 2138 01:42:12.399 --> 01:42:14.359 how you feel about the way a story like this 2139 01:42:14.479 --> 01:42:16.279 with Jake looks for BYU in. 2140 01:42:16.279 --> 01:42:17.239 The athletic department. 2141 01:42:17.720 --> 01:42:20.199 Well, I think like, does it dissuade kids from wanting 2142 01:42:20.199 --> 01:42:21.199 to go play football there? 2143 01:42:21.520 --> 01:42:24.079 Well, I mean it might disswade some kids for sure, 2144 01:42:24.199 --> 01:42:26.479 And it might dissuade some kids from going there and 2145 01:42:26.479 --> 01:42:29.239 thinking they can get away with it, right, And it 2146 01:42:29.319 --> 01:42:35.920 might dissuade you from, you know, as a coach, it 2147 01:42:36.000 --> 01:42:39.199 might dissuade you from recruiting certain types of people or 2148 01:42:39.279 --> 01:42:43.199 you know, or how But I think Kloni Sataki is 2149 01:42:43.479 --> 01:42:46.479 cut from that same cloth. This is who they are. 2150 01:42:46.920 --> 01:42:50.319 They're not changing the honor code, and they're going to 2151 01:42:50.399 --> 01:42:53.319 embrace the fact that everybody abides by the same rules. 2152 01:42:53.560 --> 01:42:55.760 It doesn't matter if you're the superstar. It doesn't matter 2153 01:42:55.800 --> 01:42:59.399 if it costs us the NCAA championship or an NCAA 2154 01:42:59.479 --> 01:43:07.119 Championship run. It's brutal, it's sad, but it's not It's 2155 01:43:07.159 --> 01:43:11.119 not any different than a star player pulling up injured, 2156 01:43:11.239 --> 01:43:14.560 you know, right there and costing a team or you know. 2157 01:43:14.680 --> 01:43:17.680 And I would say this that if you embrace the 2158 01:43:17.720 --> 01:43:20.000 idea that you hold yourself to these standards and you 2159 01:43:20.039 --> 01:43:24.079 really do it, then I think that that becomes more 2160 01:43:24.199 --> 01:43:29.159 meaningful thing. That's all I think. I feel like people 2161 01:43:29.199 --> 01:43:32.359 who say have been saying a long time, be why 2162 01:43:32.399 --> 01:43:34.239 you can't keep competing if they don't plan on Sunday, 2163 01:43:34.399 --> 01:43:36.159 be why you can't keep competing if they have the 2164 01:43:36.159 --> 01:43:38.640 honor code. They're not getting rid of either one. And 2165 01:43:38.680 --> 01:43:39.640 they're doing pretty well. 2166 01:43:39.720 --> 01:43:40.199 Yeah they are. 2167 01:43:40.399 --> 01:43:43.960 Yeah, And now you see teams accommodating their Sunday play. 2168 01:43:44.439 --> 01:43:47.520 You see people respecting the fact that they if you follow, 2169 01:43:47.920 --> 01:43:50.079 all I'm saying is whatever your code of ethics is, 2170 01:43:50.279 --> 01:43:52.720 just follow it, because I know programs who have a 2171 01:43:52.760 --> 01:43:55.319 code of ethics, but they are quick to violate it 2172 01:43:55.720 --> 01:43:59.000 if it's their star player. And nothing will teach you 2173 01:43:59.239 --> 01:44:02.800 entitlement quicker than having a coach cut you some slack 2174 01:44:02.960 --> 01:44:05.199 when they really should sit you on the bench. 2175 01:44:05.319 --> 01:44:07.319 Yeah. No, I think it's good perspective. 2176 01:44:08.319 --> 01:44:12.239 So ultimately, when you look at to your point, the 2177 01:44:12.319 --> 01:44:15.960 spot BYU is in as an athletic department, they're in 2178 01:44:15.960 --> 01:44:19.600 a very healthy spot. Because and I said this, my 2179 01:44:19.680 --> 01:44:22.279 old producer Brady sent out a tweet because I'd forgotten 2180 01:44:22.319 --> 01:44:23.680 that i'd said this when I said it. But about 2181 01:44:23.720 --> 01:44:27.199 five years ago when Nil kind of started to become like, wait, 2182 01:44:27.239 --> 01:44:29.600 this is going to be real, and then it became 2183 01:44:29.680 --> 01:44:32.399 real about four years ago. Now, I said, if you're 2184 01:44:32.399 --> 01:44:35.199 a BYU fan, this is excellent news. This is a 2185 01:44:35.199 --> 01:44:37.439 way that you can And this was before the Big twelve, 2186 01:44:37.520 --> 01:44:39.760 they were still independent. Now they got the Big twelve invite, 2187 01:44:39.760 --> 01:44:43.000 which is also even the playing field. But when Utah 2188 01:44:43.039 --> 01:44:46.399 had their PAC twelve invite and BYU in a reactionary 2189 01:44:46.439 --> 01:44:48.159 move because it was they don't level when I say 2190 01:44:48.159 --> 01:44:52.199 that went independent, it allowed Utah to evolve past Bergham 2191 01:44:52.199 --> 01:44:53.880 Young and football in the way that quite frankly, it 2192 01:44:53.920 --> 01:44:54.279 never had. 2193 01:44:54.319 --> 01:44:55.800 I mean, I grew up in the Lovell years. 2194 01:44:55.800 --> 01:44:58.159 It was nineteen and two, I think over twenty one years, 2195 01:44:58.560 --> 01:45:00.720 and then coach mac comes in and kind of evens 2196 01:45:00.720 --> 01:45:03.800 it up a little bit. But two things, when Kyle 2197 01:45:03.880 --> 01:45:06.279 said no to his alma mater and yes to Utah 2198 01:45:06.319 --> 01:45:08.800 and Utah gets the PAC twelve invite, that sent Utah 2199 01:45:08.880 --> 01:45:10.680 football kind of on this path where it was a 2200 01:45:10.720 --> 01:45:13.560 generation of dominance in a way that I never thought 2201 01:45:13.560 --> 01:45:16.720 it was possible. So now we have house VNT DOAA, 2202 01:45:16.880 --> 01:45:20.000 we have nil And with those two things combined, it 2203 01:45:20.000 --> 01:45:21.840 feels like there are a lot of very rich people 2204 01:45:21.840 --> 01:45:24.039 writing a lot of checks for byu' to have talent. 2205 01:45:24.119 --> 01:45:24.479 Right now. 2206 01:45:24.560 --> 01:45:26.319 Yeah, I think there were a few other things. And 2207 01:45:26.319 --> 01:45:29.119 I'm going to give Tom Homo massive credit, as you should, 2208 01:45:29.199 --> 01:45:34.159 because job I was completely opposed to independence. This is 2209 01:45:34.159 --> 01:45:36.479 a kiss of death because I feel like you need 2210 01:45:36.479 --> 01:45:39.840 something to play for, especially in football, Like you know, 2211 01:45:39.960 --> 01:45:43.159 the minute you're not in the running for a conference title, 2212 01:45:43.239 --> 01:45:45.399 or you're not in the running for now we have 2213 01:45:45.439 --> 01:45:50.479 the playoffs, right, there's just less incentive to play that 2214 01:45:50.640 --> 01:45:53.000 sport for sure, especially in combat sports, there's just this 2215 01:45:53.239 --> 01:45:56.000 idea that what are you playing for? Why are you suffering? 2216 01:45:56.199 --> 01:45:57.119 Why is this happening? 2217 01:45:57.159 --> 01:45:57.279 Right? 2218 01:45:57.319 --> 01:46:00.079 What are you sacrificing for? And so I felt like 2219 01:46:00.159 --> 01:46:04.640 taking away not just the chance to win those conference titles, 2220 01:46:04.640 --> 01:46:08.840 but get conference awards, you know, have those rivalries, like 2221 01:46:09.159 --> 01:46:11.800 all the stuff that goes with it, the culture being 2222 01:46:11.840 --> 01:46:14.479 creating this culture, right, I was like, I don't think 2223 01:46:14.560 --> 01:46:17.840 they have notre Dame level culture. 2224 01:46:17.760 --> 01:46:19.520 And they don't, No one does. 2225 01:46:19.720 --> 01:46:22.800 But yeah, but I would say they have their own 2226 01:46:22.880 --> 01:46:25.760 version of it. Whether it's less or not, it's still theirs. 2227 01:46:26.000 --> 01:46:29.479 But the one thing that independence allowed Tom Holmo to 2228 01:46:29.520 --> 01:46:33.359 do that I think was it led to this situation 2229 01:46:33.399 --> 01:46:36.119 where in now, including the Big twelve invitation, was he 2230 01:46:36.119 --> 01:46:40.319 could play during COVID yes, everybody else was subject to 2231 01:46:40.920 --> 01:46:44.840 was subject to conference rules, and the PAC twelve shut down. 2232 01:46:45.079 --> 01:46:47.159 They were all those West Coast schools were like, we're 2233 01:46:47.159 --> 01:46:51.680 not playing. You can't come here. Everything's remote, and Utah suck. 2234 01:46:52.159 --> 01:46:55.439 And Utah is in a state that politically was very 2235 01:46:55.439 --> 01:46:58.039 different than the West Coast, right, and so you have 2236 01:46:59.119 --> 01:47:02.880 your because Rye will b Yu, they're independent, they can 2237 01:47:02.960 --> 01:47:05.840 leave over there. And that game against Coastal Carolina in 2238 01:47:05.880 --> 01:47:09.880 the postseason was I think, such a light, such a moment. 2239 01:47:09.960 --> 01:47:14.039 I remember just feeling so much joy and thinking because 2240 01:47:14.079 --> 01:47:16.920 we're so much should we be doing this? Should we 2241 01:47:17.039 --> 01:47:19.800 be playing? And now people are like we shouldn't. And 2242 01:47:19.920 --> 01:47:22.640 I remember thinking, like there's so much grief and loss 2243 01:47:22.760 --> 01:47:26.319 everybody's because in sports, especially combat sports, you get a 2244 01:47:26.359 --> 01:47:28.680 limited amount of time. The average career length of a 2245 01:47:28.760 --> 01:47:33.159 running backs four years, so every minute does count. And 2246 01:47:33.399 --> 01:47:35.399 somebody said to me, the reason football so special is 2247 01:47:35.399 --> 01:47:39.039 it's you know, in high school, it's ten ten Friday nights. 2248 01:47:39.520 --> 01:47:41.520 You know, that's it, that's what you get. You might 2249 01:47:41.560 --> 01:47:44.800 get eighty two games in a basketball season, but football 2250 01:47:44.880 --> 01:47:47.159 is like fifteen, sixteen games now or eight I think 2251 01:47:47.159 --> 01:47:49.439 it's up to eighteen now. But like it was, it's 2252 01:47:49.520 --> 01:47:52.600 just so limited. It's so it's so delicious because it's 2253 01:47:52.600 --> 01:47:55.920 so rare. And then and Tom gave us that he 2254 01:47:55.920 --> 01:47:59.560 could play because they were independent, and they played good opponents, 2255 01:48:00.079 --> 01:48:03.239 and they played and they played well. And I think 2256 01:48:03.359 --> 01:48:06.399 it was I remember thinking I talked to him. I 2257 01:48:06.399 --> 01:48:07.720 did an interview with him in a story for the 2258 01:48:07.720 --> 01:48:11.279 Desert News. But I remember, you know, talking with him 2259 01:48:11.279 --> 01:48:15.359 throughout that and it was a terrifying, stressful. I can't 2260 01:48:15.399 --> 01:48:19.439 imagine being an ad during COVID, right, but he said, 2261 01:48:20.119 --> 01:48:23.239 we have to make money. They laid people off dream 2262 01:48:23.479 --> 01:48:25.840 as everyone did, right, But he was like, we have 2263 01:48:25.920 --> 01:48:28.000 to figure this out. We have to navigate it. Because 2264 01:48:28.039 --> 01:48:30.600 they didn't have anybody to rely on. They had this 2265 01:48:30.720 --> 01:48:34.680 like creative innovative ability and opportunity that other teams didn't 2266 01:48:34.680 --> 01:48:37.439 because they were in a conference. The conference dictated what happened. Yeah, 2267 01:48:38.199 --> 01:48:41.479 and I think that led to them being seen in 2268 01:48:41.520 --> 01:48:43.319 a way that maybe they hadn't been seen. 2269 01:48:43.479 --> 01:48:45.840 It also helps that they're writing very big checks to 2270 01:48:45.920 --> 01:48:46.760 attract talent. 2271 01:48:46.880 --> 01:48:49.159 No no, I think, no, listen, But I think that 2272 01:48:49.279 --> 01:48:51.159 was it was like, look at this invest Look how 2273 01:48:51.199 --> 01:48:54.880 well they look at these uptas. Right, So then you 2274 01:48:54.960 --> 01:48:56.840 have these people who want to get on board with us. 2275 01:48:56.920 --> 01:48:59.680 The nil thing comes out that next year. The settlement 2276 01:48:59.680 --> 01:49:02.199 takes beers, but you know this is going to be 2277 01:49:02.199 --> 01:49:04.920 an opportunity. The collective started forming, I think at twenty 2278 01:49:04.920 --> 01:49:08.520 twenty two, right, yeah, so I just think that that 2279 01:49:09.159 --> 01:49:11.760 there were just again a few alignments, but like I 2280 01:49:11.880 --> 01:49:14.279 went from like this is a worst mistake anyone's ever 2281 01:49:14.279 --> 01:49:16.840 made to being like genius. Yeah, you know, and also 2282 01:49:17.000 --> 01:49:19.039 you know Domino's fall in your favor too. 2283 01:49:19.199 --> 01:49:23.319 Yeah, that happens. That's our time. This is not a podcast. Unfortunately, 2284 01:49:23.319 --> 01:49:25.720 we do have to break to keep the lights on. Amy, 2285 01:49:25.760 --> 01:49:28.000 It's always great to see you. We'll see you soon, okay, Yeah, 2286 01:49:28.039 --> 01:49:30.960 for sure, our friend Amy Donaldson from case we've missed her, 2287 01:49:30.960 --> 01:49:31.680 it's been too long. 2288 01:49:31.960 --> 01:49:32.920 ESPN seven hundred. 2289 01:49:32.960 --> 01:49:35.800 Welcome is Maroon five to the Delta Center coming up 2290 01:49:35.800 --> 01:49:38.960 on October the twenty fifth Tickets go on sale on 2291 01:49:39.079 --> 01:49:42.840 June twenty seventh. Well, anybody who thought the Memphis Grizzlies 2292 01:49:42.880 --> 01:49:44.159 we're breaking it all. 2293 01:49:44.079 --> 01:49:45.760 Down is not correct. 2294 01:49:45.960 --> 01:49:51.560 Jaron Jackson Junior five years, two hundred and forty million dollars, 2295 01:49:52.319 --> 01:49:55.000 an extension to stay with Memphis. Free agency and pro 2296 01:49:55.119 --> 01:49:57.880 basketball began today. The Jazz made a couple of minor 2297 01:49:57.920 --> 01:49:59.479 transactions will tell you about. 2298 01:50:00.159 --> 01:50:01.239 Let's do a little RSL. 2299 01:50:01.399 --> 01:50:04.359 The team's been playing better, man, turn around a little bit. 2300 01:50:04.399 --> 01:50:06.239 We got four points in the past two games. 2301 01:50:06.279 --> 01:50:08.720 We've got a really busy July, both on and off 2302 01:50:08.760 --> 01:50:10.800 the field, and always fun to catch up with our 2303 01:50:10.800 --> 01:50:13.359 guy Kurt Schmidt on a Monday afternoon. Kurt, Happy Monday, man. 2304 01:50:13.359 --> 01:50:15.560 How are we doing doing well? 2305 01:50:15.640 --> 01:50:15.800 Man? 2306 01:50:15.880 --> 01:50:16.239 How are you? 2307 01:50:16.319 --> 01:50:17.119 I'm well, I'm well. 2308 01:50:17.199 --> 01:50:20.800 So do you feel like the past couple of matches 2309 01:50:20.840 --> 01:50:23.319 you guys have played better or things just kind of 2310 01:50:23.399 --> 01:50:26.199 evening evening out. You just kind of continue to do 2311 01:50:26.239 --> 01:50:28.960 what you do and you're actually getting some uh some 2312 01:50:28.960 --> 01:50:29.760 some better luck. 2313 01:50:29.880 --> 01:50:30.960 I guess is how I'll put that. 2314 01:50:32.800 --> 01:50:33.199 No, I do. 2315 01:50:33.359 --> 01:50:35.760 I do think we're playing a bit better. The guys 2316 01:50:35.840 --> 01:50:39.319 are playing with a little more confidence. Yeah, I think 2317 01:50:39.319 --> 01:50:41.680 it's I think it is getting better now. 2318 01:50:41.760 --> 01:50:43.960 Johnny Russell Kurt, uh. 2319 01:50:44.000 --> 01:50:46.520 You know, we've talked a lot about his pedigree in 2320 01:50:46.600 --> 01:50:48.880 Major League Soccer and then the story where he just 2321 01:50:48.920 --> 01:50:50.720 didn't have a club for a minute and you guys 2322 01:50:50.720 --> 01:50:53.439 were able to grab him. And every week I check 2323 01:50:53.479 --> 01:50:54.960 in with Pablo when he joined the show. 2324 01:50:55.000 --> 01:50:56.399 How's it going. Is he getting fit? 2325 01:50:57.039 --> 01:50:59.000 Is he getting acclimated and now we've got. 2326 01:50:58.880 --> 01:51:00.760 A couple of straight games where he's been able to 2327 01:51:00.800 --> 01:51:01.359 tally a goal. 2328 01:51:01.439 --> 01:51:03.319 What do you what are you seeing from your your 2329 01:51:03.520 --> 01:51:05.079 one of the acquisitions you made from. 2330 01:51:05.000 --> 01:51:05.640 Sporting k C. 2331 01:51:07.039 --> 01:51:09.319 Yeah, I think he just adds a bit of quality 2332 01:51:09.319 --> 01:51:11.960 and experience to the front line that that we didn't 2333 01:51:12.079 --> 01:51:14.479 really have. You know, we were pretty young in the 2334 01:51:14.520 --> 01:51:17.439 attack right now, and he's obviously a guy who's been 2335 01:51:17.439 --> 01:51:19.840 around the block, who knows the league well. He has 2336 01:51:19.920 --> 01:51:22.880 a bit of calm employees and in those critical moments, 2337 01:51:23.960 --> 01:51:26.760 you know, and yeah, like his fitness is still coming 2338 01:51:26.800 --> 01:51:30.000 along as match fitness. You know, he played a half 2339 01:51:30.199 --> 01:51:32.039 the one game he played. I think he got to 2340 01:51:32.119 --> 01:51:35.680 sixty the second game, so you know he's coming along. 2341 01:51:35.720 --> 01:51:38.840 But obviously he's shown what he has in those critical 2342 01:51:38.840 --> 01:51:40.640 moments in the attacking third. 2343 01:51:41.479 --> 01:51:43.319 I can't imagine what that must feel like. 2344 01:51:43.399 --> 01:51:45.760 I mean, I'm sure he has a lot of different 2345 01:51:45.800 --> 01:51:49.239 emotions about Sporting k C because it was home for 2346 01:51:49.279 --> 01:51:52.159 so long, and also from what I understand, the end 2347 01:51:52.279 --> 01:51:54.119 wasn't what he was preferring. 2348 01:51:54.479 --> 01:51:55.920 But what what do you what do you think that was? 2349 01:51:56.000 --> 01:51:56.079 Like? 2350 01:51:56.159 --> 01:51:58.159 Man going up there and scoring in front of those 2351 01:51:58.560 --> 01:52:00.680 those fans where he used to play at such a 2352 01:52:00.720 --> 01:52:01.199 high level. 2353 01:52:02.199 --> 01:52:05.760 I mean, I don't think guys, guys who play at 2354 01:52:05.760 --> 01:52:07.960 this level ever feel bad about scoring a goal, no 2355 01:52:08.000 --> 01:52:10.319 matter who they're playing for or who they're playing again. 2356 01:52:10.439 --> 01:52:14.760 So it was respectful. I think how he you know, 2357 01:52:14.800 --> 01:52:17.760 how he celebrated after the fact, and you know, didn't 2358 01:52:17.800 --> 01:52:21.199 want to, didn't want to insult the fans there. But yeah, 2359 01:52:21.239 --> 01:52:24.439 I never never seen a professional at that level be 2360 01:52:24.600 --> 01:52:27.079 sorry about scoring a goal against anybody, So I'm sure 2361 01:52:27.119 --> 01:52:28.159 he enjoyed it just fine. 2362 01:52:28.359 --> 01:52:29.760 I thought it was a really cool moment. 2363 01:52:30.039 --> 01:52:33.079 So if we panned back just away from Johnny and 2364 01:52:33.119 --> 01:52:35.079 I'll just give you the space, how do you feel 2365 01:52:35.119 --> 01:52:36.920 like you guys have been able to keep the ship 2366 01:52:36.920 --> 01:52:39.199 aflow with Diego, with the with the national team in 2367 01:52:39.279 --> 01:52:41.079 the attack, who do you feel like you stepped up? 2368 01:52:42.439 --> 01:52:44.640 I think the last couple of games, I think Jogo 2369 01:52:44.720 --> 01:52:48.399 stepped into the void and added some quality minutes. Obviously, Johnny, 2370 01:52:49.439 --> 01:52:51.800 with the production the last two games, has has shipped 2371 01:52:51.800 --> 01:52:54.640 in and helped us. You know, obviously Gozo's continued to 2372 01:52:54.720 --> 01:52:58.119 grow into the role more and more as a young player, 2373 01:52:58.159 --> 01:53:01.560 and you know he still needs that that common poison 2374 01:53:01.720 --> 01:53:04.239 in the final third. But I mean, the guy works 2375 01:53:04.239 --> 01:53:07.239 so hard that that's not a question of if that comes, 2376 01:53:07.239 --> 01:53:10.119 but just when you know. So, I think those guys 2377 01:53:10.119 --> 01:53:12.039 have stepped up a lot, and you know, Willie and 2378 01:53:12.159 --> 01:53:14.680 Ari come in up top and give him some hard work. 2379 01:53:14.760 --> 01:53:17.239 But yeah, I think all those all four of those 2380 01:53:17.279 --> 01:53:20.279 guys or anyone who's played those four positions, have actually 2381 01:53:20.319 --> 01:53:22.399 stepped up and tried to pick up the. 2382 01:53:22.319 --> 01:53:25.520 Slack since we brought up Diego. Of course, he is 2383 01:53:25.560 --> 01:53:28.159 with the national team for the Gold Cup experience and 2384 01:53:28.239 --> 01:53:30.039 continues to be a real bridespot. 2385 01:53:30.119 --> 01:53:30.319 Kurt. 2386 01:53:30.359 --> 01:53:32.439 I wonder what your impressions have been as you've watched 2387 01:53:32.479 --> 01:53:34.439 him play throughout this tournament. 2388 01:53:35.880 --> 01:53:38.880 I think he's been fantastic for them, you know. And again, 2389 01:53:38.920 --> 01:53:40.399 I think we talked about this in the past, but 2390 01:53:40.800 --> 01:53:43.039 he's got something just a little bit different, I think 2391 01:53:43.119 --> 01:53:47.479 than the normal cast of characters in the national team has, 2392 01:53:47.520 --> 01:53:52.439 which is the responsibility to carry the team, to know, 2393 01:53:52.960 --> 01:53:55.399 you know, to produce and perform for the team. Where 2394 01:53:55.680 --> 01:53:57.600 he knows that everyone's counting on him and there's a 2395 01:53:57.600 --> 01:54:00.079 little bit more pressure on him where some guys playing 2396 01:54:00.119 --> 01:54:01.800 at you know, some of the club's top clubs in 2397 01:54:01.840 --> 01:54:04.560 Europe don't have that as much in their club environment, 2398 01:54:04.640 --> 01:54:06.920 in their day to day environment. And so when you 2399 01:54:07.000 --> 01:54:08.800 when you see Diego play for the national thing, you 2400 01:54:08.800 --> 01:54:13.119 see obviously a really good player that has qualities on 2401 01:54:13.159 --> 01:54:15.159 the ball that will track back and defend, but you 2402 01:54:15.199 --> 01:54:19.399 see his his passion and his energy and his I 2403 01:54:19.399 --> 01:54:23.039 guess his will to win is something that makes him 2404 01:54:23.079 --> 01:54:26.600 stand out. I think head and shoulders above anyone he's 2405 01:54:26.720 --> 01:54:29.079 you know, he's playing with now, but even you know, 2406 01:54:29.119 --> 01:54:31.560 when he was in the last camp with some of 2407 01:54:31.600 --> 01:54:33.920 the bigger names, you know, I think he stands out 2408 01:54:33.960 --> 01:54:34.720 in that group as well. 2409 01:54:35.600 --> 01:54:38.880 I honestly do not even know the answer to this question, 2410 01:54:38.960 --> 01:54:41.439 hence why I'm asking you. But I've never even it's 2411 01:54:41.479 --> 01:54:44.920 never really dawned on me. How How connected are you 2412 01:54:44.960 --> 01:54:47.800 guys to Diego when he's with the national team? 2413 01:54:47.880 --> 01:54:48.680 Are you calling? 2414 01:54:48.720 --> 01:54:53.000 Are you checking in his Pablo calling? What's that dynamic 2415 01:54:53.159 --> 01:54:53.920 like when he's away? 2416 01:54:55.199 --> 01:54:59.439 Yeah, a little a little bit of everything. Obviously, you 2417 01:54:59.439 --> 01:55:02.000 know he's with them, and he's busy, and they you know, 2418 01:55:02.039 --> 01:55:05.279 they're they're playing, you know, in tournament soccer, they're playing 2419 01:55:05.279 --> 01:55:07.840 games every few days, so there's not a ton of 2420 01:55:07.960 --> 01:55:11.199 downtime to just chat with them. You know, I don't 2421 01:55:11.239 --> 01:55:14.239 know how much Pombo spoken with them. I've checked in 2422 01:55:14.279 --> 01:55:17.000 with him a few times, and you know, seems like 2423 01:55:17.079 --> 01:55:18.640 he's enjoying the experience. 2424 01:55:19.199 --> 01:55:21.840 I do wonder what the hope is as far as 2425 01:55:21.880 --> 01:55:24.119 and maybe a lot of this is intangible, because I 2426 01:55:24.159 --> 01:55:27.800 would imagine just playing on the stage with the national team, 2427 01:55:27.840 --> 01:55:31.600 getting starts, getting minutes, being able to provide services and 2428 01:55:31.760 --> 01:55:37.239 provide dangerous chances and scoring chances. I would imagine the intangibles, 2429 01:55:37.239 --> 01:55:40.880 you know, things like confidence. But Diego doesn't lack confidence 2430 01:55:40.880 --> 01:55:43.439 at all. I just wonder what sort of you know, 2431 01:55:43.520 --> 01:55:46.399 from the club perspective when you're players with the country. 2432 01:55:46.920 --> 01:55:49.039 What's the hope when he comes back as far as 2433 01:55:49.079 --> 01:55:51.520 what he's ascertained from the experience. 2434 01:55:52.439 --> 01:55:54.479 Yeah, I mean confidence is a big part of it. 2435 01:55:54.520 --> 01:55:56.960 Anytime you're playing well, no matter what team you're playing for, 2436 01:55:57.279 --> 01:56:00.560 no matter what competition it's in, it gives you confidence 2437 01:56:00.640 --> 01:56:03.600 to carry into the next game, wherever that may be. 2438 01:56:04.079 --> 01:56:06.479 I think part of it is also as you step 2439 01:56:06.600 --> 01:56:10.319 up in levels you know in the game, whether it's 2440 01:56:10.399 --> 01:56:13.239 obviously from youth to professional to you know, college, however, 2441 01:56:13.279 --> 01:56:16.439 you want to graduate those levels. You know, speed of play, 2442 01:56:16.520 --> 01:56:19.920 speed of thought, all that stuff. The space you have shrinks, 2443 01:56:20.239 --> 01:56:23.680 the speed of place increases, and so you know when 2444 01:56:23.680 --> 01:56:25.680 you're playing with the NAS team and you're thinking that 2445 01:56:25.760 --> 01:56:27.880 much faster, and you become accustomed to that, and then 2446 01:56:27.920 --> 01:56:30.279 you come to this level where maybe things aren't quite 2447 01:56:30.279 --> 01:56:33.000 happening just as fast as they were with the national team. 2448 01:56:33.359 --> 01:56:35.319 The game slows down for him for a little bit 2449 01:56:35.439 --> 01:56:37.199 at least, and you know, he can see things a 2450 01:56:37.239 --> 01:56:39.920 little quicker, and he'll seem like he's playing at a 2451 01:56:39.920 --> 01:56:42.920 different different speed to everyone else maybe sometimes, And it 2452 01:56:43.000 --> 01:56:46.079 feels that way even as a player, when you step 2453 01:56:46.119 --> 01:56:48.079 down levels and you have a little more time and 2454 01:56:48.119 --> 01:56:50.000 space to make your decisions. 2455 01:56:50.359 --> 01:56:52.319 I certainly have not done the research on this. 2456 01:56:52.439 --> 01:56:55.159 I'm sure our guy Gerald knows, but I don't recall 2457 01:56:55.439 --> 01:56:59.159 a mid season month in my history being around this 2458 01:56:59.199 --> 01:57:01.880 club where you on the we had two matches. I 2459 01:57:01.960 --> 01:57:04.359 understand their scheduling stuff with some of the other cups, 2460 01:57:04.359 --> 01:57:06.000 a lot of cups got to keep track of all 2461 01:57:06.000 --> 01:57:09.359 the cups. What's it like from a front office perspective 2462 01:57:09.640 --> 01:57:12.560 when you have an entire month with only two games? 2463 01:57:12.600 --> 01:57:14.439 How does that change? The way that you go about 2464 01:57:14.479 --> 01:57:16.960 your business, and did you did you, guys use the 2465 01:57:17.000 --> 01:57:19.279 space at all to maybe accomplish something you wouldn't have 2466 01:57:19.319 --> 01:57:20.920 been able to if you were as busy as you're 2467 01:57:20.960 --> 01:57:21.880 about to be in July. 2468 01:57:23.600 --> 01:57:27.000 Yeah, the I mean the players had a mandatory break 2469 01:57:27.079 --> 01:57:30.199 in there as well, so they hopefully got to refresh 2470 01:57:30.279 --> 01:57:34.239 themselves a bit and get the refocus now on the 2471 01:57:34.279 --> 01:57:37.119 second half of the season. You know, from our standpoint, 2472 01:57:37.159 --> 01:57:40.079 I think it's it was. It was maybe good for 2473 01:57:40.199 --> 01:57:43.199 us and where we were at now. I I whenever 2474 01:57:43.319 --> 01:57:45.199 we don't get the result we want, you know, I 2475 01:57:45.239 --> 01:57:47.800 always want the next game to be as soon as possible, 2476 01:57:47.840 --> 01:57:49.720 right You want to get that taste out of your 2477 01:57:49.720 --> 01:57:52.640 mouth right away. So coming off of the game in 2478 01:57:52.840 --> 01:57:55.159 LA wasn't ideal maybe to have two weeks off, but 2479 01:57:55.640 --> 01:57:57.760 you know, slowing the pace down a little bit of 2480 01:57:57.800 --> 01:58:01.159 the season I think helped Sot's get our legs under 2481 01:58:01.239 --> 01:58:03.680 us a bit and obviously put together two pretty good 2482 01:58:03.680 --> 01:58:06.359 performances so far in June, and I hope that we 2483 01:58:06.399 --> 01:58:09.359 can keep it going this weekend and get another three points, 2484 01:58:09.640 --> 01:58:10.319 have you guys? 2485 01:58:10.560 --> 01:58:13.000 And Pablo dropped some math on us last week as 2486 01:58:13.000 --> 01:58:15.760 far as you know, points per game at home what 2487 01:58:15.800 --> 01:58:18.880 you need to get over the line that he believes 2488 01:58:18.920 --> 01:58:21.079 you need to get over to make the postseason. But 2489 01:58:21.159 --> 01:58:23.039 if I'm looking at this right, it looks like you've 2490 01:58:23.079 --> 01:58:25.520 got seven of the next eight games at home, with 2491 01:58:25.600 --> 01:58:27.800 only a trip to Portland up to Providence Park in 2492 01:58:27.840 --> 01:58:32.199 between a bunch of home matches. I mean, obviously, Kurt, 2493 01:58:32.199 --> 01:58:33.760 I know you want to win every game. I'm not 2494 01:58:33.800 --> 01:58:35.000 going to ask you if you would like to win 2495 01:58:35.039 --> 01:58:38.760 all of these games, but have you done loose calculations 2496 01:58:38.800 --> 01:58:41.680 as far as what you need to do home and 2497 01:58:41.720 --> 01:58:43.880 away to get you close to that point line where 2498 01:58:43.920 --> 01:58:45.079 you're going to need to be if you want to 2499 01:58:45.079 --> 01:58:46.000 make the playoffs. 2500 01:58:46.800 --> 01:58:48.800 Yeah, Look, I think we've got to do what we 2501 01:58:48.840 --> 01:58:52.079 did in June, right and maximize our points at home 2502 01:58:52.119 --> 01:58:55.800 and collect some points on the road when we go 2503 01:58:55.880 --> 01:58:59.119 there and make sure that we're tough to beat. We're 2504 01:58:59.159 --> 01:59:01.319 still you know, we're still at a stage where we 2505 01:59:01.399 --> 01:59:04.960 can we can do that and get there, and I 2506 01:59:04.960 --> 01:59:07.640 think the confidence of the group and the optimism within 2507 01:59:07.680 --> 01:59:10.079 the group is appropriate to that. 2508 01:59:10.239 --> 01:59:10.399 Now. 2509 01:59:10.640 --> 01:59:12.840 You know, again, we've got a chunk of games at home, 2510 01:59:12.920 --> 01:59:17.600 like you said, and it's always there's something psychological about that, right, 2511 01:59:17.680 --> 01:59:19.600 that's a little bit different on the road, whether it's 2512 01:59:19.920 --> 01:59:23.279 confidence or comfort or whatever it might be. But the 2513 01:59:23.319 --> 01:59:25.079 boys know what they need to do here in our 2514 01:59:25.079 --> 01:59:26.960 home stadium, all right. 2515 01:59:27.039 --> 01:59:32.239 So the secondary summer transfer window opens July the twenty fourth, Kurt, 2516 01:59:32.399 --> 01:59:34.279 Just in case you didn't know that, I'm letting you know, 2517 01:59:34.439 --> 01:59:37.039 so July the twenty fourth. I've never asked you this 2518 01:59:37.159 --> 01:59:40.640 question before, and maybe there's nothing here. What's the main 2519 01:59:40.800 --> 01:59:44.920 difference between the primary transfer window and the secondary transfer window? 2520 01:59:44.960 --> 01:59:47.319 Are there different mechanisms dad to the group or is 2521 01:59:47.359 --> 01:59:48.840 it just like all right, these are just the two 2522 01:59:48.920 --> 01:59:50.600 windows and essentially it's the same thing. 2523 01:59:53.039 --> 01:59:57.119 I mean, there's there's no like rules, regulations. I guess 2524 01:59:56.880 --> 01:59:59.960 that really differ greatly between them. I think the big 2525 02:00:00.119 --> 02:00:03.880 difference for us is the given the timing of our 2526 02:00:03.880 --> 02:00:07.840 season being offset to the European calendar, is the summer 2527 02:00:07.880 --> 02:00:11.920 window is sometimes the bigger window. There's a larger pool 2528 02:00:11.960 --> 02:00:15.680 of potential free agents available. There's more teams looking to 2529 02:00:15.720 --> 02:00:19.920 make broader changes within their squad, so you know, even 2530 02:00:20.039 --> 02:00:23.159 for for transfer fees, there's more players available and on 2531 02:00:23.239 --> 02:00:26.920 the market, teams are a little more able and willing 2532 02:00:27.279 --> 02:00:30.640 to let guys go at maybe more favorable prices than 2533 02:00:30.680 --> 02:00:32.880 they are for us in our off season, which is 2534 02:00:32.880 --> 02:00:35.800 the January window in Europe, and it's the middle of 2535 02:00:35.840 --> 02:00:37.840 their season where sometimes a little bit harder to pry 2536 02:00:38.279 --> 02:00:41.079 a guy loose in the middle of a European season. 2537 02:00:41.159 --> 02:00:43.560 So as it relates to Europe, there's a lot of 2538 02:00:43.600 --> 02:00:46.920 differences in terms of availability and you know, and that's 2539 02:00:47.119 --> 02:00:50.760 buying as well as selling. You know, that's the summer 2540 02:00:50.800 --> 02:00:54.039 windows just a bigger market in Europe and South America, 2541 02:00:54.319 --> 02:00:56.680 there's a little bit of that, but it's it's a 2542 02:00:56.720 --> 02:01:01.640 lot less impactful as it is in the players coming 2543 02:01:01.640 --> 02:01:04.239 out of Europe. So that's sort of the big, big difference. 2544 02:01:04.359 --> 02:01:07.560 Are you allowed again, I honestly just don't know, because 2545 02:01:07.560 --> 02:01:10.239 I'm juxtaposing this to other sports where you're not supposed 2546 02:01:10.239 --> 02:01:13.840 to talk to players or it's tampering if they're under contract, 2547 02:01:13.960 --> 02:01:17.000 or you know, you can't make contract offers unless it's 2548 02:01:17.319 --> 02:01:19.079 in a certain time, or else you could get doc 2549 02:01:19.199 --> 02:01:24.439 draft picks during the moments on the calendar, during the 2550 02:01:24.439 --> 02:01:28.399 stretches on the calendar where neither the primary or secondary 2551 02:01:28.439 --> 02:01:31.840 window are open. Are you allowed to contact players and 2552 02:01:31.880 --> 02:01:32.960 agents and negotiate. 2553 02:01:34.399 --> 02:01:38.000 Yeah, you're you're allowed to make those approaches and obviously 2554 02:01:38.079 --> 02:01:41.640 negotiate those deals, and you'll see teams and now and steals, 2555 02:01:41.720 --> 02:01:44.720 you know, before the window opens. And you know, technically 2556 02:01:44.760 --> 02:01:47.720 that's what we do in the winter window as well, 2557 02:01:47.760 --> 02:01:49.800 because our window actually, even though we call it the 2558 02:01:49.880 --> 02:01:53.520 January windows, sometimes it doesn't actually open till February, you know, 2559 02:01:53.600 --> 02:01:55.439 So that's all the signings we make in the off 2560 02:01:55.439 --> 02:01:59.760 season are our signings announced before the window opens typically, 2561 02:02:00.159 --> 02:02:02.399 So yeah, you're allowed to have those conversations and do 2562 02:02:02.439 --> 02:02:05.239 those things, and largely because the windows are different everywhere, 2563 02:02:05.600 --> 02:02:08.039 so you know, the relevant window is the window of 2564 02:02:08.039 --> 02:02:12.159 the league where the player is going. So for us 2565 02:02:12.239 --> 02:02:14.840 to sign a player, the relevant window is ours. But 2566 02:02:14.880 --> 02:02:17.039 if we're selling a player, then the relevant window is 2567 02:02:17.039 --> 02:02:20.520 wherever he's going. So everyone's on different windows and different timelines. 2568 02:02:20.560 --> 02:02:22.680 So yeah, it's always sort of free moving. 2569 02:02:22.600 --> 02:02:23.439 Gotcha, all right? 2570 02:02:23.520 --> 02:02:26.920 So safe to say you currently are in contact and 2571 02:02:26.960 --> 02:02:30.720 negotiating with potential additions for the secondary window this summer. 2572 02:02:30.439 --> 02:02:33.840 Safe to say, safe to say correct. 2573 02:02:33.520 --> 02:02:35.359 Okay, what are the priorities? 2574 02:02:35.760 --> 02:02:39.039 What are we prioritizing and do you have a loose 2575 02:02:39.079 --> 02:02:42.399 idea of when we could actually hear announcements of additions 2576 02:02:42.399 --> 02:02:42.840 on the way. 2577 02:02:44.239 --> 02:02:46.319 I do not have a loose idea for you. I'll 2578 02:02:46.399 --> 02:02:48.159 leave that to Gerald as far as the Mounts sense. 2579 02:02:48.239 --> 02:02:52.640 But no, look, I think we're looking for some help 2580 02:02:52.680 --> 02:02:56.039 in the attack, but we're also looking to add a 2581 02:02:56.039 --> 02:02:59.920 little bit of experience to the team. We're a young team, 2582 02:03:00.199 --> 02:03:02.760 so adding you know, obviously we did that with Johnny, 2583 02:03:02.800 --> 02:03:05.359 but adding another veteran piece I think could help us, 2584 02:03:05.600 --> 02:03:08.640 help solidify us a little bit. So we're looking and 2585 02:03:08.640 --> 02:03:11.319 we're looking to add a little more team speed. So 2586 02:03:11.359 --> 02:03:13.039 those are sort of three of the things that we're 2587 02:03:13.079 --> 02:03:14.640 looking to add in the summer window. 2588 02:03:15.039 --> 02:03:17.439 Do you feel like you are close to deals? 2589 02:03:17.520 --> 02:03:19.720 Do you feel like you have targets you have identified 2590 02:03:19.720 --> 02:03:22.479 and the conversations are progressing where you feel confident that 2591 02:03:22.520 --> 02:03:24.279 you're going to get a couple across the line. 2592 02:03:25.560 --> 02:03:28.399 Yeah, I mean maybe I'm cynical or pessimistic, so I 2593 02:03:28.439 --> 02:03:31.520 won't ever say I feel good until the deal is 2594 02:03:31.520 --> 02:03:34.720 actually done. But no, we're we're progressing on a few 2595 02:03:34.760 --> 02:03:39.640 different fronts, and you know, nothing's nothing signed yet, obviously, 2596 02:03:39.760 --> 02:03:43.199 but I think we're we're getting closer and closer. 2597 02:03:43.439 --> 02:03:45.279 You do have a new ownership group. 2598 02:03:45.319 --> 02:03:48.279 I wonder what sort of messaging comes from them to 2599 02:03:48.479 --> 02:03:52.119 you about how you'll approach this window. That's different maybe 2600 02:03:52.119 --> 02:03:53.800 than past owners that you've. 2601 02:03:53.640 --> 02:03:58.720 Worked with, I mean against. I don't know if it's different, 2602 02:03:58.760 --> 02:04:05.560 but obviously they've been very supportive, and honestly, the messaging 2603 02:04:05.600 --> 02:04:08.960 from them is just you know, it sounds obvious, right, 2604 02:04:08.960 --> 02:04:11.560 but be good when you know, improve the team, and 2605 02:04:11.960 --> 02:04:14.039 you know there's not I know there's been a lot 2606 02:04:14.039 --> 02:04:17.119 of stuff in the in the marketplace about you know, 2607 02:04:17.239 --> 02:04:20.520 selling players and this and that and whatnot. But I 2608 02:04:20.520 --> 02:04:23.840 think the primary objective, whether it's young players, old players, 2609 02:04:23.840 --> 02:04:26.760 buying players, selling players, the primary objective is how to 2610 02:04:26.840 --> 02:04:30.319 to serve the team, you know, to be successful in MLS. 2611 02:04:30.479 --> 02:04:32.880 And as long as we're serving that objective, than those 2612 02:04:32.880 --> 02:04:34.800 are the right news to make. And that's the support 2613 02:04:34.840 --> 02:04:36.560 that ownership has given us. 2614 02:04:36.000 --> 02:04:39.840 It's it's interesting, Kurt, to consider just the background of 2615 02:04:39.920 --> 02:04:42.960 the Miller family and their longtime stewardship over the Utah 2616 02:04:43.079 --> 02:04:45.039 Jazz and the fact that they do come from the 2617 02:04:45.039 --> 02:04:48.439 world of pro basketball. And I will admit, I mean 2618 02:04:48.520 --> 02:04:54.239 I when I started learning about soccer and MLS and 2619 02:04:54.359 --> 02:04:58.399 roster construction and different mechanisms. It's almost like learning a 2620 02:04:58.439 --> 02:05:01.720 different language. It there aren't a ton I mean, look, 2621 02:05:02.119 --> 02:05:08.039 talent identification, negotiation, there are evergreen trades to building teams. 2622 02:05:07.720 --> 02:05:08.680 And other sports. 2623 02:05:08.720 --> 02:05:12.000 But soccer is just a lot different than basketball. I 2624 02:05:12.079 --> 02:05:15.039 wonder what sort of dynamic that's brought as far as 2625 02:05:15.119 --> 02:05:18.800 the Millers needing to learn what MLS is, what soccer is, 2626 02:05:19.319 --> 02:05:21.600 you know, as opposed to you know how they have 2627 02:05:21.680 --> 02:05:23.600 made a name for themselves, and that is owning a 2628 02:05:23.640 --> 02:05:26.039 pro basketball team and doing it at a very high level. 2629 02:05:25.840 --> 02:05:26.479 For a long time. 2630 02:05:27.800 --> 02:05:31.039 Yeah, I mean, look, the numbers are certainly different, you know, 2631 02:05:31.359 --> 02:05:34.760 smaller often with MLS relative to you know, some of 2632 02:05:34.760 --> 02:05:36.840 the other big sports in the in in this country, 2633 02:05:36.920 --> 02:05:41.760 NBA obviously, you know, NFL, whatever might be MLB. But 2634 02:05:41.760 --> 02:05:43.399 but apart from that, I think one of the biggest, 2635 02:05:43.439 --> 02:05:46.199 the biggest thing for someone new to the game draft 2636 02:05:46.199 --> 02:05:49.000 Their head around is often just the source of players, 2637 02:05:49.359 --> 02:05:51.800 where you know, in those other sports, your your source 2638 02:05:51.840 --> 02:05:54.920 of players is so domestic. The draft is so important. 2639 02:05:55.960 --> 02:05:57.680 You know, you can make or bake your franchise in 2640 02:05:58.119 --> 02:06:01.760 one or two draft years. You know, all the best 2641 02:06:01.760 --> 02:06:03.720 players in the world are sort of known and in 2642 02:06:03.760 --> 02:06:07.600 this place and in MLS, And part of it is 2643 02:06:07.640 --> 02:06:10.159 because of the way where our league sits in sort 2644 02:06:10.199 --> 02:06:14.279 of the global hierarchy, but also the popularity and how 2645 02:06:16.239 --> 02:06:18.520 pervasive the sport is throughout the world. You know, our 2646 02:06:18.560 --> 02:06:20.560 pool of players is nearly endless, and the pool of 2647 02:06:20.560 --> 02:06:25.359 players that can improve our team is vast, and you know, 2648 02:06:25.439 --> 02:06:28.279 it's there's no one source, there's no one place to 2649 02:06:28.359 --> 02:06:30.399 go to get the guy that can solve your problems. 2650 02:06:30.399 --> 02:06:32.239 You can go here, and if that doesn't work, you 2651 02:06:32.279 --> 02:06:33.680 can go there, and if that doesn't work, you can 2652 02:06:33.720 --> 02:06:35.960 go somewhere else. And I think that's something that's a 2653 02:06:36.000 --> 02:06:38.199 little bit tougher to wrap your head around is you know, 2654 02:06:38.239 --> 02:06:40.439 you've got lists of players and one guy might be 2655 02:06:40.479 --> 02:06:42.439 from Europe, all night from South America, one guy might 2656 02:06:42.479 --> 02:06:44.920 be from Africa, and you're deciding between those three. And 2657 02:06:45.039 --> 02:06:48.000 you know, obviously it presents some challenges from a scouting standpoint, 2658 02:06:48.039 --> 02:06:51.039 as you're comparing all these different leagues next to each 2659 02:06:51.079 --> 02:06:53.680 other and how they might translate what that looks like 2660 02:06:53.720 --> 02:06:56.880 in MLS, But it also has some advantages because again, 2661 02:06:56.920 --> 02:06:59.399 the talent pool that you have to recruit from is 2662 02:06:59.720 --> 02:07:00.439 pretty best. 2663 02:07:00.920 --> 02:07:03.640 Tell me about Saint Louis. I just had the standings 2664 02:07:03.640 --> 02:07:06.560 pulled up. They're beneath you, and the standings fifteen points, 2665 02:07:06.600 --> 02:07:10.199 three eleven and six minus twelve goal differential. I know 2666 02:07:10.239 --> 02:07:12.399 we're supposed to say all these teams are dangerous, Kurt, 2667 02:07:12.439 --> 02:07:14.159 but it's getting to the point of the season where 2668 02:07:14.159 --> 02:07:17.279 a team but below you on the table rolls into 2669 02:07:17.279 --> 02:07:18.079 your building. 2670 02:07:18.199 --> 02:07:20.119 You need to get go, get all three. So what 2671 02:07:20.159 --> 02:07:21.760 do they do well? How do you? How do you 2672 02:07:21.760 --> 02:07:23.119 get it done? Coming up this weekend? 2673 02:07:24.159 --> 02:07:28.159 Yeah, all these teams are dangerous since but not to 2674 02:07:28.680 --> 02:07:31.880 rehash the cliches, but you know, any team that we 2675 02:07:31.960 --> 02:07:35.159 play below us, above us, you know, other conference doesn't matter. 2676 02:07:35.600 --> 02:07:37.399 You know, we need to get the three points at home. 2677 02:07:38.279 --> 02:07:41.399 They're below is, but they started out rough and they've 2678 02:07:41.439 --> 02:07:43.359 made a coaching change that's given a few guys a 2679 02:07:43.399 --> 02:07:46.199 new lease on life. Who are who are playing at 2680 02:07:46.199 --> 02:07:49.600 a different level lately. So it's it's just you know, yeah, 2681 02:07:49.640 --> 02:07:51.920 plays right into your cliche. All these teams are dangerous, 2682 02:07:51.960 --> 02:07:55.359 and in MLS, you know, the gap from team to 2683 02:07:55.399 --> 02:07:58.720 team is not as big from just a pure talent standpoint, 2684 02:07:58.800 --> 02:08:01.840 so a lot comes down to the execution on the day. 2685 02:08:02.840 --> 02:08:04.720 Last thing before I said you lose, we had Tony 2686 02:08:04.720 --> 02:08:07.359 hop on last week. It was really fun to learn 2687 02:08:07.399 --> 02:08:10.520 about these U sixteen kids who have set history. 2688 02:08:10.560 --> 02:08:11.399 They've made history. 2689 02:08:11.960 --> 02:08:14.560 They became the first club to win Generation Adidas and 2690 02:08:14.760 --> 02:08:17.560 MLS Next Cup. And look, most of the attention, of 2691 02:08:17.600 --> 02:08:19.760 course is on the senior team. That's who people pay 2692 02:08:19.800 --> 02:08:22.920 to go see, That's who people know. But if you 2693 02:08:23.000 --> 02:08:26.000 can continue to develop these young players at this level, 2694 02:08:26.039 --> 02:08:28.359 it will only pay dividends for you down the road. 2695 02:08:28.840 --> 02:08:31.319 So last thing BEFOREY said you lose, provide a little 2696 02:08:31.359 --> 02:08:33.880 color and context to what this accomplishment means and your 2697 02:08:33.880 --> 02:08:35.279 thoughts on this academy squad. 2698 02:08:37.000 --> 02:08:39.039 I think it's just a testament to the boys and 2699 02:08:39.079 --> 02:08:42.239 the work they put in, and obviously the work that 2700 02:08:42.319 --> 02:08:45.159 the staff has put in, you know, from obviously Tony, 2701 02:08:46.319 --> 02:08:49.199 you know Jordan, those guys have done a great job 2702 02:08:49.239 --> 02:08:52.520 with those teams. The recruitment side, you know, John Spencer, 2703 02:08:52.600 --> 02:08:54.920 Matt Hayes, those guys have done a great job of 2704 02:08:55.560 --> 02:08:58.920 bringing the talent in and just the dedication that all 2705 02:08:59.000 --> 02:09:01.720 those guys and people that I'm you know, I'm not 2706 02:09:01.800 --> 02:09:03.239 naming right now. I don't want to go through the 2707 02:09:03.239 --> 02:09:06.239 whole thing, but that they've put into it, and so 2708 02:09:06.840 --> 02:09:10.159 I think that they take that very seriously, which is 2709 02:09:10.199 --> 02:09:13.039 which is great, and getting talent into the club is 2710 02:09:13.319 --> 02:09:15.520 really really important to do what we want to do, 2711 02:09:15.560 --> 02:09:18.199 which is to be that that have that focus on 2712 02:09:18.279 --> 02:09:21.760 development and bringing players through and making sure that we've 2713 02:09:21.760 --> 02:09:25.680 got a steady pipeline of young talent coming through. I 2714 02:09:25.680 --> 02:09:28.279 think when you know, that's what this club has been 2715 02:09:28.439 --> 02:09:31.399 before I got here, justin Glads and Aaron Herreras and 2716 02:09:31.520 --> 02:09:34.760 Brooks Lenin's and all these guys, richardly Desmas and the 2717 02:09:34.800 --> 02:09:36.880 Booth Brothers, those guys that some guys aren't even here. 2718 02:09:37.239 --> 02:09:39.600 But there was a gap in the pipeline when I 2719 02:09:39.680 --> 02:09:42.279 got here. There wasn't you know, it hadn't been I 2720 02:09:42.279 --> 02:09:46.359 guess stocked appropriately. The recruitment wasn't there when I got here, 2721 02:09:46.399 --> 02:09:50.199 But I think it was something we focused on a 2722 02:09:50.239 --> 02:09:53.159 lot right after I got here. Wanted to that felt 2723 02:09:53.159 --> 02:09:56.039 like the lowest hanging fruit is to get the right 2724 02:09:56.159 --> 02:09:59.439 kids into that pipeline early. And now that group is 2725 02:09:59.640 --> 02:10:02.680 mature ring and actually a lot of that group is 2726 02:10:02.720 --> 02:10:04.479 now in the in the eighteens and not part of 2727 02:10:04.479 --> 02:10:06.560 the sixteens group. But you see guys like you know, 2728 02:10:06.640 --> 02:10:08.720 Gozo and Aidan hether Kanyi that are in that age 2729 02:10:08.720 --> 02:10:11.560 group that are starting to matriculate to the first team. 2730 02:10:12.000 --> 02:10:14.399 And with these guys the U sixteen group, you know, 2731 02:10:14.439 --> 02:10:17.920 that's what we expected them over the next one two 2732 02:10:17.920 --> 02:10:20.800 three years is to see which of these guys are 2733 02:10:20.800 --> 02:10:22.359 going to be the next you know, the next goes 2734 02:10:22.359 --> 02:10:25.199 to the next aid and the next Gavin Beavers or 2735 02:10:25.199 --> 02:10:25.840 whatever have you. 2736 02:10:26.680 --> 02:10:28.359 All right, my man, well, I appreciate the time. 2737 02:10:28.399 --> 02:10:30.439 Congrats on a couple of good results, and go get 2738 02:10:30.439 --> 02:10:31.399 it done this weekend. 2739 02:10:31.119 --> 02:10:34.159 All right, all right, thanks kurch Schmidt. 2740 02:10:34.279 --> 02:10:36.159 Kurch Schmid. RSL will be back in action. 2741 02:10:36.279 --> 02:10:38.840 A light schedule for them in June that only included 2742 02:10:38.880 --> 02:10:39.560 two matches. 2743 02:10:40.319 --> 02:10:40.479 Uh. 2744 02:10:40.520 --> 02:10:43.119 They beat DC United to nil and then went up 2745 02:10:43.159 --> 02:10:45.279 to Case and got a draw one one. 2746 02:10:45.720 --> 02:10:47.800 Saint Louis is in town coming up this weekend. 2747 02:10:47.840 --> 02:10:50.359 Then it will be Houston, a quick roady to Portland 2748 02:10:50.439 --> 02:10:52.720 and then home games against Cincinnati San Jose. 2749 02:10:53.640 --> 02:10:53.720 Uh. 2750 02:10:53.880 --> 02:10:57.279 In addition, oh then there it's the uh the Week's Cup. 2751 02:10:58.119 --> 02:11:00.359 A lot of cups, a lot of cups in the 2752 02:11:00.399 --> 02:11:02.800 Sport League's cut, A bunch of games at home. Though 2753 02:11:02.840 --> 02:11:04.279 for ourself, if you didn't get a chance to get 2754 02:11:04.279 --> 02:11:05.479 out and to see him in June, you'll have a 2755 02:11:05.479 --> 02:11:08.359 lot of opportunities. Now that July is here, we're about 2756 02:11:08.359 --> 02:11:12.760 to turn our calendar to July tomorrow. Look, Karen Carpenter 2757 02:11:13.279 --> 02:11:16.119 is a boys straight from God. I'm not knocking on her, 2758 02:11:16.199 --> 02:11:19.960 but what this is such a depressing, sad way to 2759 02:11:20.039 --> 02:11:22.119 end an otherwise energetic, fun radio show. 2760 02:11:22.119 --> 02:11:23.279 What are we doing here? 2761 02:11:23.560 --> 02:11:27.680 I think my take on sad songs like this, uh huh, 2762 02:11:27.720 --> 02:11:31.600 it's a Monday song. It's the main thing. My take 2763 02:11:31.640 --> 02:11:36.319 on sad songs like this as they you know, they 2764 02:11:36.319 --> 02:11:39.359 actually make you feel better, right because you're singing about 2765 02:11:39.920 --> 02:11:41.039 rainy days and mondays. 2766 02:11:41.239 --> 02:11:46.600 Okay, but you're you know, you're creating some art. 2767 02:11:46.760 --> 02:11:50.079 So it's yeah, there's a lot of sad songs, but 2768 02:11:50.279 --> 02:11:53.840 they're not necessarily sad on their face, So I don't think. 2769 02:11:53.840 --> 02:11:56.439 It's like a healthy, energetic artistic expression. 2770 02:11:56.560 --> 02:12:00.640 You're getting the sad out by using words and melodies, 2771 02:12:00.840 --> 02:12:01.159 all right? 2772 02:12:01.239 --> 02:12:02.359 Is that fair? Yeah? 2773 02:12:02.359 --> 02:12:05.640 No, I see the logic. It just really is such 2774 02:12:05.640 --> 02:12:09.039 a sad, depressing song. But maybe we're exercising some demons. 2775 02:12:09.760 --> 02:12:10.800 I am ready to go home. 2776 02:12:10.640 --> 02:12:11.039 And go to bed. 2777 02:12:11.079 --> 02:12:14.479 Your boy had a little bit of a aggressively exciting weekend. 2778 02:12:14.640 --> 02:12:18.359 Yeah, I mean, listen, I had a buddy's wedding this weekend. 2779 02:12:18.600 --> 02:12:21.720 Nice, I get it. I get it. I also had 2780 02:12:21.760 --> 02:12:23.760 a long weekend, a lot of golf, a lot of sun, 2781 02:12:24.600 --> 02:12:25.880 and now it's time for some sleep. 2782 02:12:26.119 --> 02:12:26.399 I mean. 2783 02:12:27.439 --> 02:12:29.560 And we've been working together long enough. 2784 02:12:29.560 --> 02:12:31.439 You know, when I do the Portland thing, the flight 2785 02:12:31.680 --> 02:12:33.079 lands like twenty minutes. 2786 02:12:32.880 --> 02:12:35.439 Before the show starts. I'll just say you miss cross talk. 2787 02:12:35.960 --> 02:12:36.199 I know. 2788 02:12:36.520 --> 02:12:38.720 I got here for the very end, but we only 2789 02:12:38.760 --> 02:12:40.560 did like thirty seconds of it because I wasn't sure 2790 02:12:40.600 --> 02:12:41.800 if I was going to get here by two. We 2791 02:12:41.840 --> 02:12:44.720 sat on the tarmac. I was very patient and kind 2792 02:12:44.760 --> 02:12:47.079 and respectful, as you would expect from somebody like me. 2793 02:12:47.720 --> 02:12:49.520 I had to wait for the I love sitting on 2794 02:12:49.560 --> 02:12:50.960 the tarmac. By the way, There's. 2795 02:12:50.800 --> 02:12:54.079 Nothing worse, dude, There's nothing worse when you're looking around 2796 02:12:54.079 --> 02:12:56.279 like what are we doing here? So I had to 2797 02:12:56.359 --> 02:12:59.439 land scramble get to the show. Luckily, free agency the 2798 02:12:59.520 --> 02:13:01.800 story with Ret's laugh and BYU there's a lot of 2799 02:13:01.800 --> 02:13:05.119 stuff to get to. What's your take on this stuff? 2800 02:13:05.119 --> 02:13:07.159 Down in provo with Jake and how this kind of 2801 02:13:07.159 --> 02:13:09.039 has all gone down. I haven't got your thoughts on 2802 02:13:09.039 --> 02:13:09.520 this today. 2803 02:13:09.600 --> 02:13:12.920 I mean, obviously not a fun situation to cover. Like you, 2804 02:13:14.520 --> 02:13:17.439 it's the last thing in sports that I care to 2805 02:13:18.279 --> 02:13:23.880 cover in that way. Right on our code stuff, it 2806 02:13:23.960 --> 02:13:27.239 takes on a new and different tone right when there's 2807 02:13:27.279 --> 02:13:31.960 assault allegations and the like. So that is obviously first 2808 02:13:32.000 --> 02:13:35.239 and foremost the focus of the situation is getting the 2809 02:13:35.279 --> 02:13:39.880 facts out, getting the. 2810 02:13:38.000 --> 02:13:38.960 The specifics out. 2811 02:13:39.039 --> 02:13:41.279 Now, the funny thing there is we may never know 2812 02:13:41.479 --> 02:13:46.520 because what was figured out today Spence, is that not 2813 02:13:46.560 --> 02:13:49.880 only has the suit been dropped or dismissed, it was 2814 02:13:49.920 --> 02:13:56.479 a joint dismissal. Right, so Jake and the accuser together 2815 02:13:56.840 --> 02:14:02.079 filed a dismissal, a joint dismissal, meaning yeah, as you 2816 02:14:02.119 --> 02:14:04.079 alluded to, there's probably some sort of settlement behind the 2817 02:14:04.079 --> 02:14:07.920 scenes in some form. We won't know whatever happened there. 2818 02:14:08.000 --> 02:14:10.880 So now we move on to the rest of the story, 2819 02:14:10.960 --> 02:14:16.399 which is an honor code violation, something that doesn't really 2820 02:14:16.439 --> 02:14:19.319 happen at many other schools anywhere else. They all have 2821 02:14:19.399 --> 02:14:23.119 team rules, they all have their you know, different coaches 2822 02:14:23.119 --> 02:14:27.159 who set curfews or the like it's a little unique 2823 02:14:27.319 --> 02:14:32.279 there in Provo, And you know, you don't really blame 2824 02:14:32.319 --> 02:14:36.199 the kid for wanting to find a different situation when 2825 02:14:36.319 --> 02:14:40.680 you're gonna miss half or more of the season ahead 2826 02:14:40.680 --> 02:14:45.880 of you. I think that you probably got some words 2827 02:14:45.880 --> 02:14:50.640 of encouragement to maybe look elsewhere as well. And I 2828 02:14:50.680 --> 02:14:55.479 can also back up some reporting over the weekend that 2829 02:14:56.000 --> 02:14:59.000 Jake was shopping around and shopping around to schools that 2830 02:14:59.079 --> 02:15:03.199 you very much are familiar with. So it's a really 2831 02:15:03.319 --> 02:15:05.079 you know, it's an interesting story that's kind of got 2832 02:15:05.079 --> 02:15:08.319 all of it as far as the Utah sports scene. 2833 02:15:09.159 --> 02:15:11.520 But at the end of it all this dial into 2834 02:15:11.560 --> 02:15:13.359 the football. He's gonna have to find a new place 2835 02:15:13.359 --> 02:15:16.199 to play. B Yu is gonna have to find someone 2836 02:15:16.279 --> 02:15:20.840 to play quarterback and do so quickly. And you know, 2837 02:15:21.000 --> 02:15:24.439 hopefully the rest of the people involved in that situation 2838 02:15:24.560 --> 02:15:26.920 can find some closure and move on with it in 2839 02:15:27.159 --> 02:15:28.079 hopefully some privacy. 2840 02:15:28.119 --> 02:15:29.359 Yeah, I think that's well said. 2841 02:15:29.399 --> 02:15:32.079 All right, before we say good night, The Denver Nuggets 2842 02:15:32.119 --> 02:15:33.239 are making some moves. 2843 02:15:33.279 --> 02:15:35.119 Michael Porter Junior, an. 2844 02:15:34.920 --> 02:15:38.640 Unprotected twenty thirty two first round pick that's always risky, 2845 02:15:39.319 --> 02:15:41.600 goes to the Brooklyn Nets. Cam Johnson who I really 2846 02:15:41.640 --> 02:15:43.960 like a lot is now at Denver. Nugget and Denver 2847 02:15:44.199 --> 02:15:47.159 just brought back Bruce Brown, who played really well for 2848 02:15:47.239 --> 02:15:50.119 them when they won the championship in twenty twenty three. 2849 02:15:50.239 --> 02:15:53.079 Great off ball cutter, he's great with Jokic. I like 2850 02:15:53.159 --> 02:15:55.960 what Denver's done. There's a lot going on. Jazz trade 2851 02:15:56.000 --> 02:16:00.600 Colin Sexton a Charlotte. They buy out Jordan Clarkson, guarantee 2852 02:16:00.640 --> 02:16:03.600 speed mkay Luke's contract this year. It'll be a long 2853 02:16:03.680 --> 02:16:06.239 year for the Jazz, But NBA free agency is always fun, 2854 02:16:06.520 --> 02:16:08.000 all right, Porta, before we get out of here, what 2855 02:16:08.000 --> 02:16:08.399 comes away? 2856 02:16:08.399 --> 02:16:10.000 On a Tuesday edition of the show. 2857 02:16:10.239 --> 02:16:14.640 On a Tuesday edition of The Drive, we'll discuss what 2858 02:16:14.720 --> 02:16:16.960 we just did a little bit more in depth with 2859 02:16:17.000 --> 02:16:20.119 our friend Kyle Bonnagura. Of course, offseason football and the 2860 02:16:20.239 --> 02:16:24.439 latest on the drama in Provo. Tim McMahon stops by 2861 02:16:24.520 --> 02:16:27.039 for your NBA Daily Assist, and it's going to be 2862 02:16:27.039 --> 02:16:30.680 a heavy hoops show from there on out. Smitty in 2863 02:16:30.800 --> 02:16:34.200 studio for an entire hour, and then the afore mentioned 2864 02:16:34.319 --> 02:16:37.719 Sarah Todd, whose reporting has been on point over the 2865 02:16:37.760 --> 02:16:41.479 last several days and the last week in Jazz and 2866 02:16:41.559 --> 02:16:44.559 Draft stuff. She joins the show to finish us off 2867 02:16:44.559 --> 02:16:45.079 on a Tuesday. 2868 02:16:45.159 --> 02:16:47.399 Very nice, that'll be a fun Tuesday show. Join us 2869 02:16:47.399 --> 02:16:50.639 for that special Thank you today to Tim Bontems, Tom Haberstrow, 2870 02:16:50.680 --> 02:16:53.120 Amy Donaldson and Kurt Schmid for to the sound you 2871 02:16:53.159 --> 02:16:55.280 may have missed from the show. Website is ESPN seven 2872 02:16:55.319 --> 02:16:57.520 hundred sports dot com. Make sure to download our mobile 2873 02:16:57.520 --> 02:16:59.559 app and take us on the go. 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