1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Imagine for a moment that you're standing in front of 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:07,480 a heavy reinforced steel door. Okay, it's not in a house. 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:11,439 It's deep underground, maybe in a bunker, or maybe in 4 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,080 the basement of the Pentagon. And you're holding a key, 5 00:00:14,519 --> 00:00:18,679 a physical key, right, Just a small, rusty, unassuming little key, 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:20,960 the kind that opens a garden shed or a diary. 7 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,920 But you're told that this specific key opens that massive 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,480 steel door. And behind that door, it's not the gold 9 00:00:28,519 --> 00:00:31,920 reserves exactly. It's not gold bars, it's not state secrets 10 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,240 about a foreign coup. It is a reality that fundamentally 11 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,719 shatters how you understand your place in the universe. 12 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 2: Wow, that is that is a heavy image. 13 00:00:40,039 --> 00:00:42,719 Speaker 1: It gets heavier. Trust me. Imagine the most powerful government 14 00:00:42,759 --> 00:00:45,280 on Earth, the United States, coming out and emitting Yes, 15 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,759 for eight decades, since the days of propeller planes and 16 00:00:48,799 --> 00:00:52,119 black and white TVs, they're things flying in our skies. Yeah, 17 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,920 and they are under intelligent control. They outperform our best jets. 18 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,560 And here is the absolute kicker. We have absolutely zero 19 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:01,439 idea what they are or who they are. 20 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,879 Speaker 2: It sounds like the opening crawl of a summer blockbuster. 21 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: Right, But according to the discussion we're unraveling today. This 22 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:11,840 isn't fiction. It is the very real, very messy premise 23 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,319 of the latest push for UAP disclosure. 24 00:01:14,519 --> 00:01:17,079 Speaker 2: It really is a scenario that moves us from the 25 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:22,159 realm of Internet speculation and grainy YouTube videos into the 26 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:27,319 realm of profound, perhaps even disturbing, geopolitical reality. We aren't 27 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,400 talking about folklore anymore. We are talking about a potential 28 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,599 policy shift that could literally rewrite history books going all 29 00:01:33,599 --> 00:01:34,799 the way back to World War Two. 30 00:01:35,079 --> 00:01:38,079 Speaker 1: Welcome to Thrilling Threads. I'm so glad you are here 31 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:41,239 with us today because honestly, my brain has been doing 32 00:01:41,359 --> 00:01:44,159 absolute cart wheels ever since we started prepping this one. 33 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,480 I've gone down rabbit holes before, but this one, this 34 00:01:46,519 --> 00:01:47,840 one feels completely different. 35 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,959 Speaker 2: It's certainly a dense topic. We're moving from the theoretical 36 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,400 what ifs to the bureaucratic. 37 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:57,319 Speaker 1: How to dense is an understatement. Today's thread is all 38 00:01:57,359 --> 00:02:01,879 about unraveling a fascinating and potential history altering promise, the 39 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:06,280 total disclosure of government files regarding extraterrestrial life an Unidentified 40 00:02:06,319 --> 00:02:09,599 aerial phenomena, or UAP. We're pulling on a thread that 41 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:11,479 leads right to the steps of the Pentagon and the 42 00:02:11,479 --> 00:02:15,039 White House and potentially to something not of this world. 43 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,439 Speaker 2: And to do that, we are analyzing a very specific, 44 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:23,120 high stakes conversation. Our primary source for this discussion is 45 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,759 a recent broadcast from the Network News Nation. It features 46 00:02:26,759 --> 00:02:29,879 a dialogue between the anchor, Chris Cuomo and a man 47 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,199 who has really become the central figure in this entire 48 00:02:33,319 --> 00:02:38,039 modern disclosure movement, Luis Elizondo, or Lou as he's often called. 49 00:02:38,199 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: Right, And for those who might not have a cork 50 00:02:40,039 --> 00:02:42,960 board full of red string at home, let's remind everyone 51 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,759 who Lou Elizondo is. Yeah, because he isn't just some 52 00:02:45,759 --> 00:02:47,719 guy with a microphone and a crazy theory. 53 00:02:47,879 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 2: Now, his credentials are as serious as they come. Elizondo 54 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:56,360 is the former director of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospased Threat Identification. 55 00:02:55,759 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: Program a tip ATIP. Right. 56 00:02:57,439 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 2: Basically, he was the intelligence officer inside the Pentagon on 57 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,479 whose literal job description was to hunt UFOs, analyze the data, 58 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,439 and assess the threat. So when he speaks, he isn't 59 00:03:07,479 --> 00:03:10,520 speaking as a sci fi enthusiast. He is speaking as 60 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,840 a man who has held the absolute highest security clearances 61 00:03:14,199 --> 00:03:17,240 and had access to data the public has never even seen. 62 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: So the setup in this News Nation clip is pretty dramatic. 63 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,479 You have President Trump making a bold declaration to release 64 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,400 the files. Yeah, this is what everyone in the UFO community, 65 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:32,120 the whole UFO twitter crat, has been clamoring for, right disclosure, 66 00:03:32,719 --> 00:03:35,199 tell us the truth exactly. But then you have Elizondo, 67 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,120 the Ultimate Insider, basically saying, hold on a minute, be 68 00:03:38,199 --> 00:03:40,680 careful what you wish for. We're going to dissect why 69 00:03:40,719 --> 00:03:44,719 Alezando calls this a Pandora's box and why transparency might 70 00:03:44,719 --> 00:03:48,080 be a lot messier and frankly scarier than we think. 71 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 2: It really raises the fundamental question, is disclosure a moment 72 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,360 of celebration of victory for truth or is it the 73 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,719 beginning of an existential crisis. Let's get into the detail. 74 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: Okay, So let's impact this deck first, and the source video. 75 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,479 They play a SoundBite of President Trump and he says 76 00:04:04,479 --> 00:04:07,599 something very specific and honestly a little weird. He says 77 00:04:07,599 --> 00:04:10,560 he is directing the Secretary of War to release the files. 78 00:04:10,639 --> 00:04:11,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was notable. 79 00:04:11,639 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: I had to rewind that part Secretary of War. We 80 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,560 haven't had one of those since nineteen forty seven, Right, 81 00:04:15,879 --> 00:04:16,959 the Secretary of Defense. 82 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 2: Now, that caught my ear as well. It is an 83 00:04:19,079 --> 00:04:22,319 interesting anachronism. The Department of War became the Department of 84 00:04:22,319 --> 00:04:26,439 Defense in nineteen forty seven. Right now, nineteen forty seven 85 00:04:26,519 --> 00:04:29,120 is a pivotal year in UAP lore. It's the year 86 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,319 of the Roswell incident. It's the year the National Security 87 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,879 Act was signed, effectively creating the CIA and the modern 88 00:04:35,959 --> 00:04:37,079 national security state. 89 00:04:37,199 --> 00:04:39,319 Speaker 1: Oh wow, I didn't even put that together. Yeah. 90 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 2: So, whether the President use that term as a simple 91 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,639 slip of the tongue or a deliberate rhetorical nod to 92 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,720 that specific era where this secrecy began, it's open to interpretation, 93 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:54,800 but it frames the conversation in a very martial historical context. 94 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:56,879 Speaker 1: It really feels like he's reaching back to the root 95 00:04:56,879 --> 00:05:00,439 of the secret. And then there's another slip. He directs 96 00:05:00,439 --> 00:05:04,120 the agencies to begin identifying and releasing files related to 97 00:05:04,399 --> 00:05:07,199 ala non Yes, Now, unless the government is hiding files 98 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,600 about support groups for families of alcoholics, I think we 99 00:05:09,639 --> 00:05:11,120 can safely assume he meant alien. 100 00:05:11,439 --> 00:05:14,519 Speaker 2: It was almost certainly a stumble over the word alien 101 00:05:14,639 --> 00:05:17,759 or non human. Yes, But the intent of the directive 102 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:22,879 was clear, regardless of the gaffes. He explicitly mentions extraterrestrial 103 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,079 life and UAPs right. He is effectively telling the massive 104 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,839 US bureaucracy, show us what you've got, Umpty the closets. 105 00:05:30,319 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: Now, you would think Luislzando, the guy who actually resigned 106 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,040 from the Pentagon specifically to get this info out to 107 00:05:36,079 --> 00:05:39,199 the public, would be cheering. You'd expect him to be 108 00:05:39,319 --> 00:05:41,439 popping champagne on air, but he wasn't. 109 00:05:41,439 --> 00:05:43,639 Speaker 2: His reaction was incredibly tempered. 110 00:05:43,439 --> 00:05:47,399 Speaker 1: Tempered, He looked worried. He immediately calls this directive a 111 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:48,800 Pandora's box. 112 00:05:48,959 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 2: That metaphor is the absolute key to understanding his position here. 113 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,399 Think about the Greek myth of Pandora. She was given 114 00:05:55,439 --> 00:05:58,240 a jar, which was later translated as a box containing 115 00:05:58,319 --> 00:05:59,759 all the evils and miseries of. 116 00:05:59,759 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: The world, and she was told never to open it. 117 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 2: Exactly when she did, sickness, death, and turmoil flew out. 118 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:07,800 And the most important part of that myth is that 119 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,040 once they were out, she couldn't put them back. 120 00:06:10,199 --> 00:06:12,319 Speaker 1: You can't stuff the ghosts back in the haunted house. 121 00:06:12,639 --> 00:06:15,639 Speaker 2: Alizondo is suggesting that disclosure isn't a faucet you can 122 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:17,759 just turn on and off. Once the president of the 123 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,160 United States admits to the world that there is a 124 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:24,040 non human intelligence operating with impunity in our airspace, you 125 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:25,279 cannot walk that back. 126 00:06:25,399 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: You can't undeclare it. 127 00:06:26,639 --> 00:06:30,399 Speaker 2: No, it changes the baseline reality for every person on earth. 128 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:35,959 Religious leaders, scientists, military generals, and just the average person 129 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,000 walking down the street. 130 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: It's a one way trip. Yeah, and Aleszando drops a 131 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,519 number in this interview that really stopped me in my tracks. 132 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,959 He actually corrects himself in the clip. He starts to 133 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,160 say we've known for a decade, and then he stops 134 00:06:47,199 --> 00:06:50,600 and says, actually eight decades, eighty years. 135 00:06:50,759 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 2: That place is the start of this timeline, squarely in 136 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,800 the nineteen forties, during the Second World War. He is 137 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,879 stating on the record that for eighty years the United 138 00:06:58,879 --> 00:07:01,959 States government has been aware that there are things flying 139 00:07:01,959 --> 00:07:04,959 in our airspace under intelligent control, and we don't know 140 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:05,519 what they are. 141 00:07:05,879 --> 00:07:09,439 Speaker 1: That is a lifetime of secrecy, a lifetime of denial. 142 00:07:09,959 --> 00:07:12,240 Just think about the sheer energy required to keep a 143 00:07:12,279 --> 00:07:16,439 secret for eighty years through the Cold War, the moon landing, Watergate, 144 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,800 the invention of the Internet. Staggering, and he gets into 145 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,000 the definition of what we are actually looking at He says, technically, 146 00:07:23,279 --> 00:07:27,040 everything is a UAP until it's identified, which makes sense. 147 00:07:27,079 --> 00:07:28,639 If I throw a frisbee and you don't see me 148 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:30,800 throw it for a split second, that's. 149 00:07:30,639 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 2: A UAP to you, precisely. And in the intelligence world 150 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,920 they have a very specific, very bureaucratic term for this, 151 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,240 temporary non attributable objects. 152 00:07:40,759 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: Temporary non attributable objects. 153 00:07:42,879 --> 00:07:45,959 Speaker 2: That sounds like the most boring government speak, imaginable. It 154 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,959 sounds like lost luggage at the airport. 155 00:07:48,079 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: Bureaucracy thrives on boring language. It sanitizes the unknown. Calling 156 00:07:53,399 --> 00:07:57,120 it a temporary non attributable object implies that the mystery 157 00:07:57,199 --> 00:08:00,360 is fleeting. Eventually, we will figure it out. It's just imprairi. 158 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,560 Elizondo uses the example of the Chinese spy balloon from 159 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:08,680 a few years ago, or routine drone incursions. Initially, when 160 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,279 those appear on radar, they're UAP. 161 00:08:11,279 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 2: Because we don't know what they are yet, right, But. 162 00:08:13,319 --> 00:08:16,439 Speaker 1: Once we get a visual analyze the flight path and say, oh, 163 00:08:16,439 --> 00:08:19,040 that's a balloon from China, it ceases to be a UAP. 164 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,639 It becomes an identified threat, and we have a playbook 165 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,079 for identified threats. We can shoot down a balloon, we 166 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:29,240 can jam a drone, we can issue sanctions. But Alizondo says, 167 00:08:29,279 --> 00:08:33,080 the problem, the real contents of Pandora's box lies in 168 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,919 the objects that don't fit those categories, the ones that 169 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,919 display sophisticated advanced technologies. This is the. 170 00:08:39,919 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 2: Crux of the entire issue. The government is very very 171 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,600 good at identifying foreign tech. They know what a Russian 172 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,039 jet looks like. They know the radar signature of a 173 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:49,399 Chinese drone. 174 00:08:49,159 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: Right, we spend billions on that. 175 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:54,879 Speaker 2: Exactly when something enters US airspace that defies those signatures, 176 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,320 that moves in ways our physics says shouldn't be possible, 177 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:00,600 that is where the panic sets it. That is the 178 00:09:00,639 --> 00:09:02,960 specific subset of UAP that al Zando is. 179 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,039 Speaker 1: Worried about, and that leads us directly into what I'm 180 00:09:05,039 --> 00:09:08,279 calling the logic of exclusion. In the source video, Alexando 181 00:09:08,399 --> 00:09:11,120 lays out this logic tree, and it's chillingly simple. It's 182 00:09:11,159 --> 00:09:13,840 like a game of guess who, but the stakes are 183 00:09:13,879 --> 00:09:15,159 global national security. 184 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,799 Speaker 2: It is a process of elimination. Step one, is it 185 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:23,000 US technology? Eleixando says, superficially, it does not appear to 186 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,279 be ours, and we have to assume that if the 187 00:09:25,279 --> 00:09:28,080 former director of ATIP says it's not ours, he has 188 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,120 checked the black projects, he has checked the secret hangars 189 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:32,120 at Area fifty. 190 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,159 Speaker 1: One, right, because the skeptics always say, oh, it's just 191 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,000 the secret replacement for the SR seventy one Blackbird, yeah, 192 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,919 or some new stealth bomber. But Aleixando is saying, I looked, 193 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,840 it's not in our inventory. So step two, is it 194 00:09:45,039 --> 00:09:47,399 our adversaries? Is it Russia or China? 195 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 2: And Alixando says it is probably not adversarial foreign technology. 196 00:09:51,759 --> 00:09:54,159 And this is a vital distinction to make. If China 197 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,840 had technology that could outmaneuver the US Air Force for 198 00:09:56,879 --> 00:09:59,919 eighty years, we would be speaking Chinese right now. The 199 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,679 very least, the geopolitical map would look very different. They 200 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,440 wouldn't be building artificial islands to project power if they 201 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,279 would already have total dominance. 202 00:10:06,879 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: Because they wouldn't need boats if they have this stuff. 203 00:10:08,919 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 2: Exactly, the capabilities being described, instantaneous acceleration, hypersonic speeds without 204 00:10:15,279 --> 00:10:18,919 sonic booms, trans medium travel from space to see these 205 00:10:18,919 --> 00:10:21,720 are leaps and bounds ahead of known physics, not just 206 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:22,639 known engineering. 207 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 1: Exactly, if it's not US, and it's not them. That 208 00:10:26,639 --> 00:10:30,759 leaves a very uncomfortable blank space. The big question, as 209 00:10:30,759 --> 00:10:33,639 Elizonda puts it, is then whose is it? 210 00:10:33,879 --> 00:10:37,399 Speaker 2: And that is the absolute hardest conversation for a government 211 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,799 to have. Think about the psychological contract between a government 212 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,600 and its people. Okay, the government says, we are the superpower, 213 00:10:44,639 --> 00:10:48,159 we control the skies, we can protect you. If they admit, 214 00:10:48,399 --> 00:10:50,360 actually there are things up there that we can't catch, 215 00:10:50,399 --> 00:10:51,879 we can't kill, and we don't even know who they 216 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,240 belong to, they are admitting a fundamental loss of supremacy. 217 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,519 Speaker 1: It's a total admission of vulnerability. It's like the parent 218 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:59,440 telling the child, I don't know what's under the bed, 219 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,039 and I can't stop it from coming out. 220 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,639 Speaker 2: It moves the conversation from national defense into the realm 221 00:11:04,759 --> 00:11:08,840 of the existential unknown. And bureaucracies absolutely hate the unknown. 222 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,559 They cannot budget for it, they cannot regulate it, and 223 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:13,399 they cannot easily explain it to voters. 224 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: Right. 225 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 2: This is why Alezando suggests that the declaration is just 226 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,600 the start. The president saying, release the files is the 227 00:11:19,639 --> 00:11:20,200 easy part. 228 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, he says, the real hard work begins now, and 229 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,320 he makes a really provocative comparison. He compares this disclosure 230 00:11:27,399 --> 00:11:30,720 process to the release of the Epstein files. Now, that 231 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,120 was a huge global story, the release of documents related 232 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,799 to Jeffrey Epstein. People thought that was a massive bomb show. Yes, 233 00:11:38,039 --> 00:11:41,039 but Alessando says, you ain't seen nothing yet. 234 00:11:41,279 --> 00:11:44,799 Speaker 2: It is a strike. In comparison, the Epstein files were scandalous. Yes, 235 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,840 they involved powerful people, crimes and moral corruption, but they 236 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,360 didn't challenge the laws of physics or the history of 237 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:53,320 human civilization. 238 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: Very true. 239 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,759 Speaker 2: Alexando claims the UAP topic has the potential to completely 240 00:11:57,799 --> 00:12:00,440 eclipse the Epstein files and complexity and impact. 241 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:02,759 Speaker 1: Because the government has sat on it for so long, 242 00:12:02,799 --> 00:12:06,039 the sheer volume of documentation has to be wild. He 243 00:12:06,159 --> 00:12:07,960 lists where this stuff is hiding, and it's not just 244 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,200 in one dusty filing cabinet in a basement. He mentions 245 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,840 the intelligence community, obviously the defense communities, but then he 246 00:12:14,919 --> 00:12:16,399 mentions the Department of Energy. 247 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 2: That caught my ear as well, the Department of Energy 248 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,480 or DOE. Why would they have UAP files. 249 00:12:22,759 --> 00:12:24,879 Speaker 1: I usually think of them as the people handling the 250 00:12:24,919 --> 00:12:27,679 power grid or maybe setting gas prices. But they do 251 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:29,840 a lot more than that, don't they much more? 252 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,399 Speaker 2: The DOE is responsible for the United states, nuclear arsenal 253 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:38,000 and nuclear energy research. They design, test, and maintain the warheads. 254 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,600 There is a long standing correlation in UAP lore and 255 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,360 reports that these objects have a keen interest in our 256 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:45,600 nuclear capabilities. 257 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,519 Speaker 1: You mean like the stories of UFOs hovering over missile 258 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:49,759 silos and shutting them down. 259 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,799 Speaker 2: Exactly. There are famous incidents like at Malmstrom Air Force 260 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,399 Base where witnesses claim glowing red orbs hovered over the 261 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:02,200 silos and ten nuclear missiles went completely offline simultaneously. 262 00:13:01,639 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: Just turned off. 263 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:06,399 Speaker 2: Yes, by explicitly naming the Department of Energy, Elizondo is 264 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,480 subtly nodding to that connection. If the DEE is sitting 265 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,320 on files, it implies these objects are actively interacting with 266 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,039 their most dangerous weapons. 267 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,399 Speaker 1: Which makes the Pandora's box analogy even scarier. It's not 268 00:13:17,759 --> 00:13:20,559 just hey, we saw a flying saucer, it's we saw 269 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,159 a saucer turning off our nukes, or we have evidence 270 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,799 they are monitoring our atomic capabilities. Yes, that is a 271 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:31,399 monumental process. To declassify, you have to scrub the nuclear secrets, 272 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,720 which are the most guarded secrets on the planet, while 273 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:38,360 somehow keeping the UAP parts intact. For the public. I 274 00:13:38,399 --> 00:13:39,720 can see why he says this is going to be 275 00:13:39,759 --> 00:13:40,919 a bureaucratic nightmare. 276 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 2: It is not just about redacting a few names with 277 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,879 a black marker. It is about untangling eighty years of 278 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:51,399 compartmentalized secrecy where one hand deliberately didn't know what the 279 00:13:51,399 --> 00:13:52,200 other was doing. 280 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: Speaking of eighty years, let's go back in time for 281 00:13:54,159 --> 00:13:56,879 a minute. In the video, Chris Cuomo brings up the 282 00:13:56,919 --> 00:13:59,639 Foo Fighters, And for the younger listeners, no, he's not 283 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,320 talking about the rock band with Dave Grohl, although Cuomo does. 284 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 2: Mention he likes them a great band. But the name 285 00:14:04,759 --> 00:14:07,759 has a much more serious origin. Cuomo is referring to 286 00:14:07,799 --> 00:14:10,799 the term used by Allied aircraft pilots during World War Two. 287 00:14:10,879 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: These were night pilots flying over Europe, high stress, pitch black, 288 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,480 anti aircraft fire everywhere m M, and they started seeing things. 289 00:14:18,639 --> 00:14:22,879 Speaker 2: Strange lights orbs that would follow their formations. They would 290 00:14:22,879 --> 00:14:27,039 maneuver around the aircraft, sometimes literally dancing off the wingtips. 291 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:28,039 Speaker 1: That is terrifying. 292 00:14:28,159 --> 00:14:30,919 Speaker 2: The pilots called them Foo Fighters, a term borrowed from 293 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,639 a cryptic nonsensical cartoon of the eraic on Smoky Stover, 294 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,720 the character in the comic would say, where there's foo, 295 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,600 there's fire. It was really a way for these terrified 296 00:14:40,639 --> 00:14:43,240 pilots to use humor to cope with the unknown. 297 00:14:43,399 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: And the crazy thing is both sides thought it was 298 00:14:46,519 --> 00:14:49,879 the other guys. The Americans thought it was some secret 299 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,480 Nazi super weapon. The Germans presumably thought it was some 300 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:55,000 advanced Allied tech. 301 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:59,279 Speaker 2: Correct. But after the war, when the intelligence assessments were done, 302 00:14:59,279 --> 00:15:01,840 when we captured the German scientists and all their records, 303 00:15:02,159 --> 00:15:05,480 it turned out neither side had that technology. The Germans 304 00:15:05,519 --> 00:15:08,519 didn't have glowing orbs that could fly formation at three 305 00:15:08,559 --> 00:15:12,559 hundred miles per hour without engines, So what were they It's. 306 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,759 Speaker 1: The original, not ours, not their scenario, just playing out 307 00:15:15,799 --> 00:15:16,759 in the nineteen forties. 308 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 2: Precisely, this establishes that the phenomenon isn't new. It didn't 309 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,399 start with drones in twenty fifteen. It didn't start with 310 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,279 roswell in nineteen forty seven. It was present in the 311 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,120 skies over Europe in the early forties. It is a 312 00:15:29,159 --> 00:15:31,080 recurring thread in history. 313 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: And bringing it back to the present, Cuomo and Elizondo 314 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,399 make a deeply disturbing connection to modern threats. They talk 315 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,320 about an incident in El Paso. I remember this vaguely 316 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:44,679 airspace was completely shut down over a major US city. 317 00:15:44,879 --> 00:15:47,519 Speaker 2: Yes, And this is a crucial pivot in the discussion. 318 00:15:47,879 --> 00:15:50,480 We moved from lights in the sky to hard immediate 319 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,559 security threats. Cuomo mentions that the cartels, specifically the drug 320 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:59,039 cartels on the Southern border, possess advanced drone technology. 321 00:15:58,440 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: And he says they are working with China. 322 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,799 Speaker 2: That is the allegation in the source material that cartels, 323 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,120 aided by Chinese technology are able to do things with 324 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,879 drones that the US doesn't know how to counter effectively. 325 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,080 This muddies the water significantly. 326 00:16:10,399 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: Right, because now you have a mix. You have genuine 327 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:16,759 terrestrial threats, cartel drones carrying drugs or running surveillance, mixing 328 00:16:17,039 --> 00:16:17,960 whatever the other stuff is. 329 00:16:18,519 --> 00:16:21,919 Speaker 2: It creates an incredibly noisy environment. If you see a 330 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,759 blip on the radar, is it a cartel drone? Is 331 00:16:24,799 --> 00:16:27,120 it a hobbyist or is a uap. 332 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,159 Speaker 1: Eli Zondo brings up the drone flaps. This part really 333 00:16:30,159 --> 00:16:33,440 fascinated me. He lists New Jersey, Colorado, and Nebraska. 334 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,759 Speaker 2: The Colorado and Nebraska incidents in twenty nineteen are particularly 335 00:16:36,799 --> 00:16:40,879 baffling for weeks residents and law enforcement reported swarms of 336 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,399 large drones flying in grid patterns at. 337 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: Night, grid patterns like they were searching for. 338 00:16:46,039 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 2: Something or mapping, or just conducting wide area surveillance. But 339 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,519 here is the kicker, and Alizondo emphasizes this heavily. These 340 00:16:53,519 --> 00:16:57,200 events lasted for weeks. Local sheriffs were chasing them, the 341 00:16:57,279 --> 00:17:00,679 FBI was aware, the FAA was involved, and yet they 342 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,960 could not identify or retrieve a single drone. 343 00:17:04,039 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 1: That's the part that defies all logic. I've flown consumer drones. 344 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,400 They run out of battery in twenty minutes, they crash 345 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,079 if it gets too windy, they have signal dropouts. You're 346 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,559 telling me that for weeks in the middle of the US, 347 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,400 swarms of these things were flying around and not one crashed, 348 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,519 one ran out of juice and landed in a farmer's field. 349 00:17:21,759 --> 00:17:25,319 Speaker 2: That is the statistical improbability Elizondo was pointing to. It's 350 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:29,240 the law of large numbers. If these were hobbyists, someone 351 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,880 would have made a mistake. If they were commercial, someone 352 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,279 would have filed a flight plan or had a malfunction. 353 00:17:34,799 --> 00:17:38,240 Even military drones have accidents all the time, but these 354 00:17:38,279 --> 00:17:43,119 objects operated with perfect impunity. Elizando notes that law enforcement 355 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,519 reported the objects were not behaving like drones. 356 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 1: What does that even mean? In a technical sense, not 357 00:17:48,519 --> 00:17:49,519 behaving like droned? 358 00:17:49,599 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 2: It usually implies flight characteristics that don't match the propulsion systems. 359 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,720 We understand moving too fast, stopping too quickly, operating in 360 00:17:57,759 --> 00:18:00,720 severe weather conditions that would ground a normal quad copter, 361 00:18:01,839 --> 00:18:05,279 or staying aloft for durations that battery and fuel technology 362 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:06,680 simply do not support. 363 00:18:06,799 --> 00:18:09,799 Speaker 1: So we have the Foo fighters at WWII, and now 364 00:18:09,839 --> 00:18:13,480 we have the mystery drones of the Midwest, different eras, 365 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,920 similar characteristics under control, elusive and unidentified. 366 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 2: And this brings us to the skepticism, because, let's be honest, 367 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,279 we have heard promises of disclosure before. 368 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely. I feel like every few years someone says 369 00:18:26,039 --> 00:18:27,759 we're going to tell you the truth, and the crickets 370 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,279 or they release a document that's entirely blacked out. Chris 371 00:18:32,279 --> 00:18:35,960 Cuomo is pretty cynical in the clip. He asks Alizondo, 372 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:37,440 why should I believe it this time? 373 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 2: Guomo suggests the pivot theory. He points out that politically, 374 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,000 the president might be using this as a distraction. He 375 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:47,680 mentions people getting fatigued with other news cycles. He specifically 376 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,839 mentions Nancy Guthrie, likely a reference to a specific news 377 00:18:50,839 --> 00:18:53,839 story dominating the cycle at the time, and suggests that 378 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:57,039 throwing aliens into the mix is a very clever way 379 00:18:57,079 --> 00:18:58,440 to change the headline. 380 00:18:58,519 --> 00:19:01,599 Speaker 1: It's the ultimate look over here tactic. Don't look at 381 00:19:01,599 --> 00:19:03,359 the economy, don't look at the scandal, look at the 382 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:04,559 UFO exactly. 383 00:19:04,799 --> 00:19:07,559 Speaker 2: Cuomo notes that Biden didn't do it, Trump didn't do 384 00:19:07,599 --> 00:19:09,960 it in his first term, even though there was excitement. Then, 385 00:19:10,759 --> 00:19:12,440 so is this just political theater? 386 00:19:13,279 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: But Aleixander doesn't just say trust me, He actually gives 387 00:19:17,039 --> 00:19:20,440 us and you the listener, a checklist, a watch list 388 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,519 of things to look for to verify if this is real. 389 00:19:22,799 --> 00:19:25,119 I love this because it gives us something concrete to do. 390 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:26,359 We aren't just waiting around. 391 00:19:26,599 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 2: It grounds the speculation in actual bureaucratic action. Alexander's basically saying, 392 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,480 don't listen to the speeches, watch the paperwork. 393 00:19:33,839 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: Okay, So item number one on the watch list an executive. 394 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 2: Order, a clear, definitive legal order, not a tweet, not 395 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,960 an off the cuff comment in a press conference. An 396 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:48,480 executive order that says you will buy law, declassify X, Y, 397 00:19:48,559 --> 00:19:52,079 and Z, that has legal weight. It forces the agencies 398 00:19:52,079 --> 00:19:54,680 to act or be in direct violation of the order. 399 00:19:54,759 --> 00:19:58,319 Speaker 1: Item number two a National Intelligence Estimate or NIE. 400 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:02,079 Speaker 2: This is a massive deal the intelligence world, and NIE 401 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,200 is a document sponsored by the Director of National Intelligence. 402 00:20:05,519 --> 00:20:08,920 It is the intelligence community's consensus view on a specific topic. 403 00:20:09,279 --> 00:20:12,240 If we see an NIE being commissioned, specifically on UAP, 404 00:20:12,559 --> 00:20:16,960 that means the entire Intelligence Apparatus CIA NSADIA is being 405 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:18,880 forced to put their cards on the table and agree 406 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:20,119 on a baseline reality. 407 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: And Item number three, the National Intelligence Strategy. 408 00:20:23,319 --> 00:20:25,279 Speaker 2: He says to look for specific sections in the new 409 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,480 strategy that mention UAP. This would mean it's not just 410 00:20:28,519 --> 00:20:31,480 a one time project to appease a president, but a strategic, 411 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,920 long term priority for the nation moving forward. 412 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,839 Speaker 1: So if we see those three things Executive Order, NIE 413 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:42,359 and strategy inclusion, then we know they aren't bluffing, correct. 414 00:20:42,599 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 2: That is the difference between political rhetoric and actual governance. 415 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: Elizondo also mentions that he has internal support. He claims 416 00:20:50,039 --> 00:20:53,279 there are people currently in the administration who are very 417 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,359 keen to get to the bottom of this, and he 418 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,640 mentions private talks with members of Congress. 419 00:20:58,079 --> 00:21:01,319 Speaker 2: This is fascinating anecdotal eva. He says, these members of 420 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,759 Congress claim to have witnessed extraordinary things themselves. 421 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,799 Speaker 1: Wait, members of Congress have actually seen UAPs. 422 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 2: That is the implication, or at least they've seen data 423 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,640 or evidence in classified settings what they call a SCIF 424 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:18,559 that they consider extraordinary. Alixando is careful to caveat this though. 425 00:21:18,799 --> 00:21:20,960 He says it doesn't mean every single thing they saw 426 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,920 was a spaceship. But when you aggregate all the reports, 427 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:25,960 a distinct pattern emerges. 428 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: And that's really Alizondo's superpower here, isn't it. He's an investigator. 429 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,400 He's not looking at one blurry photo and jumping to conclusions. 430 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,920 He's looking at thousands of reports over decades. 431 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 2: Pattern recognition. That is the absolute core of intelligence work. 432 00:21:41,279 --> 00:21:43,000 If you have one report of a light in the sky, 433 00:21:43,079 --> 00:21:45,920 it's weather. If you have ten reports of lights tracing 434 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,680 nuclear silos across three continents over forty years, you have 435 00:21:49,759 --> 00:21:52,920 a pattern. And Alexando says, the pattern leads back to 436 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,559 that uncomfortable conclusion we discussed. It's not ours and it's 437 00:21:56,599 --> 00:21:57,240 not theirs. 438 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,319 Speaker 1: Cuomo asks him point blank about the official explanation for 439 00:22:01,319 --> 00:22:03,519 the Olpaso incident. You know, the one where they shut 440 00:22:03,559 --> 00:22:06,720 down the airspace. Surely the government said something about that, 441 00:22:06,799 --> 00:22:07,079 and the. 442 00:22:07,039 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 2: Answer was silence, or rather distraction. Cuomo says, we just 443 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,160 got distracted. There was no official explanation. The news cycle 444 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,599 simply moved on. We never found out what's shut down 445 00:22:16,599 --> 00:22:18,480 the airspace over a major US. 446 00:22:18,279 --> 00:22:21,079 Speaker 1: City That is genuinely terrifying. We just forgot. 447 00:22:21,319 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 2: We have a very straight attention span as a public 448 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,519 and perhaps the government relies on that. If they don't 449 00:22:26,559 --> 00:22:28,200 have an answer, they just wait for us to stop 450 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:29,039 asking the question. 451 00:22:29,799 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 1: But Cuomo and Alizondo seem to agree on the bottom 452 00:22:32,759 --> 00:22:35,720 line here by the end of the clip, it's a consensus. 453 00:22:36,279 --> 00:22:38,519 We don't know what it is, we are worried about it, 454 00:22:38,799 --> 00:22:40,599 and it is a matter of special security. 455 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,599 Speaker 2: Special security that is a heavy phrase. It implies that 456 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,599 this isn't just regular classified info. It is in a 457 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,519 category entirely of its own. 458 00:22:50,039 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 1: So where does this leave us. We've gone from a 459 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,839 political promise to a potential bureaucratic nightmare. We've looked at 460 00:22:56,839 --> 00:22:59,799 the history of foo fighters and the modern mystery of 461 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:01,839 touchable drones in the Midwest. 462 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 2: We are standing at a precipice. The disclosure dilemma is 463 00:23:05,599 --> 00:23:08,839 very real. On one hand, we demand the truth. We 464 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,079 want to know what is flying in our skies. We 465 00:23:11,079 --> 00:23:13,400 feel we have a fundamental right to know. On the 466 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,200 other hand, Elizondo's warning about Pandora's Box is incredibly valid. 467 00:23:17,279 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 1: If the government comes out and says we are not 468 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,359 alone and we are not in charge, that's not just 469 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,559 a news story for the evening broadcast. That's a paradigm shift. 470 00:23:24,559 --> 00:23:28,079 It affects religion, philosophy, technology, defense, just everything. 471 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:33,519 Speaker 2: And consider the actual implementation of releasing that information. Elizanda 472 00:23:33,519 --> 00:23:37,880 mentioned the Department of Energy. Imagine the sheer logistical complexity 473 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,759 of releasing files that might contain diagrams of nuclear facilities 474 00:23:41,759 --> 00:23:45,839 interacting with unknown craft. You have to protect the terrestrial 475 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,480 nuclear secrets while revealing the alien ones. It is a 476 00:23:49,519 --> 00:23:51,519 needle that is almost impossible to thread. 477 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 1: It really is a war against eighty years of secrecy. 478 00:23:54,799 --> 00:23:57,640 Transparency isn't a switch you just flip on. It's a 479 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,400 grueling process and it sounds like a painful and. 480 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 2: We must ask ourselves the hardest question, are we actually 481 00:24:03,079 --> 00:24:05,599 ready for the answer? We say we want the truth, 482 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,359 But if the truth is that our airspace is being 483 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,160 penetrated at will by a superior intelligence and our government 484 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,240 is utterly powerless to stop it. Is that a truth 485 00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:16,440 we can actually digest? 486 00:24:16,559 --> 00:24:19,599 Speaker 1: That's the scary part for sure. The admission of helplessness 487 00:24:19,759 --> 00:24:21,880 we don't know is a terrifying phrase coming from the 488 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,160 Pentagon indeed. 489 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 2: But the alternative is continued ignorance. And in a world 490 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:32,200 of advanced drones and potential foreign adversaries, ignorance is incredibly dangerous. 491 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,960 We need to know which blip on the radar is 492 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,079 a Chinese drone and which one is something else. Entirely 493 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,359 we cannot defend against what we refuse to acknowledge. 494 00:24:41,559 --> 00:24:43,799 Speaker 1: So here is the provocative thought I want to leave 495 00:24:43,799 --> 00:24:46,279 you with today. We've talked a lot about the government 496 00:24:46,319 --> 00:24:49,559 releasing files, but let's flip it for a second. If 497 00:24:49,559 --> 00:24:53,119 the government admits these objects aren't ours and aren't our enemies, 498 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,519 we are left with that third option someone else. If 499 00:24:57,559 --> 00:25:00,559 they successfully release these files and we finally see the proof, 500 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,920 what does that Pandora's box actually look like for your 501 00:25:04,039 --> 00:25:04,880 daily reality? 502 00:25:05,039 --> 00:25:06,839 Speaker 2: Does it change how you go to work, does it 503 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,440 change how you look at the stars at night? Or 504 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,559 does it just become another background anxiety in an already 505 00:25:12,559 --> 00:25:13,559 complex world. 506 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,319 Speaker 1: And here's my question for you listening right now. Do 507 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,400 you think this disclosure will actually happen or is this 508 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,599 just another pivot, another distraction like Cuomo suggested. And if 509 00:25:22,599 --> 00:25:24,839 the files are released, do you trust the government to 510 00:25:24,839 --> 00:25:27,519 give us the whole truth or just the sanitized version 511 00:25:27,559 --> 00:25:28,440 they think we can handle. 512 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,279 Speaker 2: It is a profound question of trust as much as 513 00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:32,799 it is a question of technology. 514 00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:36,279 Speaker 1: Leave a comment and let us know your stand Are 515 00:25:36,279 --> 00:25:39,440 we opening Pandora's box or is the box already open 516 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,680 and we're just stubbornly refusing to look inside. 517 00:25:41,799 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 2: A absolutely fascinating discussion. 518 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: As always, thanks for joining us today, Keep looking up 519 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,480 and we'll catch you on the next thrilling threads.