Speaker 1: Wrestling too for a mature audience.
Speaker 2: I don't devailp oh Man. A lot of wrestler was
Speaker 2: talking to you earlier about this. We have been at
Speaker 2: a drought of random, stray wrestling shit, and then in
Speaker 2: like the last five days there were just we were
Speaker 2: gorged with wrestling news. It was interesting.
Speaker 1: It's all a lot of little stuff. It's not anything serious.
Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest thing going into Summer Slam.
Speaker 1: You think it would be more centric around the show,
Speaker 1: but people care more about what's going on around the show.
Speaker 1: Outside of the show. Has been making more headlines than
Speaker 1: anything that have that has to do with Summer Slam.
Speaker 2: So well. I mean we've just in the last what
Speaker 2: twenty four hours, we've had two forty year old men
Speaker 2: release a video of anime Unicorns that set the wrestling
Speaker 2: world on fire. So that right there is enough to
Speaker 2: just make you go, where are we? What is going on?
Speaker 2: How did we get here? How did this become what
Speaker 2: wrestling is? Where? That's the that's the news. And I
Speaker 2: can see Donzena is in the chat room is a
Speaker 2: little bit confused by that. I guess he is not
Speaker 2: privy to the recent New Day fucking hype video, if
Speaker 2: you want to call it that.
Speaker 1: No, I haven't seen him myself yet, is it good?
Speaker 2: Oh? Good? Good? Heavens you have not either.
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Oh all right. The only reason why I was even
Speaker 2: aware of this was it came up in my Instagram feed.
Speaker 2: So I'm sure somebody, multiple people will probably share that
Speaker 2: as it goes on. But there was a you know,
Speaker 2: similarly to what's her name, thank you street Fighter, similarly
Speaker 2: to what's her face? There after her ninety day period
Speaker 2: where she's like, I'm a woman wrestler who's got to
Speaker 2: wear goth clothes. So there's something new for you. The
Speaker 2: New Day made an animated video where they're both unicorns
Speaker 2: escaping from a circus.
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, let's watch this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: There they ship.
Speaker 1: They even used uh.
Speaker 2: Famous stock music.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, it's not stock that's not stock music. No,
Speaker 1: that sounds like somebody fuck sounds synthy wave.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is it.
Speaker 1: It's two unicorns that are pink and burgundy, yes, that
Speaker 1: have that are in a circus with gold gold chain
Speaker 1: slaves on them.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: I feel like they're trying to say something with that. Joe,
Speaker 1: that the that the golden slave chains are are what
Speaker 1: they're trying to escape, and maybe this giant circus that
Speaker 1: looks like it's very well funded. But except in the
Speaker 1: back where the back you could see that there's like
Speaker 1: dirt on the walls and stuff. But you know, out
Speaker 1: in the public it looks really good. And of course,
Speaker 1: of course unicorns have fangs now too, by the way,
Speaker 1: I just want to yeah, yeah, and now they're free
Speaker 1: of those golden slave chains.
Speaker 2: Oh then look look do they go past you know
Speaker 2: that symbolized or maybe a broken horned third unicorn?
Speaker 1: Oh ship, Oh wow? Did they just call up? Did
Speaker 1: they just they just call him? That's what I see
Speaker 1: they are.
Speaker 2: Wow. No, No, she's looking at him sadness.
Speaker 1: He's been broken by the man, that's what it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he doesn't.
Speaker 2: Have the ability to escape because his horn, his magical
Speaker 2: unicorn horn is damaged.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's broken. Poor thing with its broken horn
Speaker 1: still behind it cage, you know, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: there's some level to that where you see it and
Speaker 1: you go you are kind of he's the only one
Speaker 1: that doesn't have shackles. Joe just saying maybe he is
Speaker 1: a house unicorn.
Speaker 2: Well no, no, no, that the idea is they're not.
Speaker 2: They're not afraid he's gonna escape because he doesn't have
Speaker 2: the horn, the power.
Speaker 1: He's a house unicorn.
Speaker 2: Oh well, I mean the hairline was very far back
Speaker 2: on that unicorn. Dude, Uncle Acord. Oh my god, oh no,
Speaker 2: I just I saw that and I go, boy, oh boy,
Speaker 2: are you you're you're creating like a moment where it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's it's sad because he's watching them go and there's
Speaker 2: nothing you can do about it because he's broken and injured.
Speaker 2: That's the only place where he could be.
Speaker 1: And it's like, oh, you are you are being so
Speaker 1: sensitive to this that is hilarious. No, I think I
Speaker 1: think it's going to be as ugly as that. I
Speaker 1: would not be surprised if they show up with aw
Speaker 1: show up with MVP and those guys over there, and
Speaker 1: they do sit there, yeah, because I mean that's kind
Speaker 1: of been the narrative that they've been pushing for a
Speaker 1: minute too, is that, Hey, look, you think that WWE
Speaker 1: is all equal rights, equal fights and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of racism that happens behind the
Speaker 1: scenes with WWE. I mean, if if I was the
Speaker 1: one interpreting this right, would you really be that.
Speaker 2: Surprised if it becomes that, If it becomes that as
Speaker 2: a point of conversation, maybe the starting point shouldn't have
Speaker 2: been anime unicorns.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm that's been their thing for a while though.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's like doing logo shit, that's all it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's all it's. It's very meta, right where
Speaker 1: unicorns we're free now, we're imaginary creatures and we're free
Speaker 1: getting away from these golden chains. Like it's it's all interpretive.
Speaker 1: It feels like interpretive dance or something. And the synth
Speaker 1: wave stuff, I know, you say it stock. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to remember the guy's name, Harvey Danger, Harvey Wallbanger. I
Speaker 1: don't know what the fuck his name is, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it sounds like some synth wave shit that I was
Speaker 1: listening to fucking ten years ago.
Speaker 2: Well, the band is apparently called the loopis Nope, noctee Okay,
Speaker 2: I pronounced that right for sure. There's no way I
Speaker 2: could have said that incorrectly. Hey, how about just the
Speaker 2: fact alone that just once again all the symbolism in there.
Speaker 1: Can you finish watching it first, though, because I mean
Speaker 1: I still have like, ah, oh you didn't finish it. No,
Speaker 1: we've been talking, dude.
Speaker 2: I oh jesus, Oh okay, I thought you saw the whole end,
Speaker 2: all right, yeah yeah, so watch watch what happened?
Speaker 1: Curious. No, I haven't seen this at all. All right.
Speaker 1: So he's passing up. So the broken unicorn gives them
Speaker 1: the the not be free. Okay, all right, so maybe
Speaker 1: they're not looking down on them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they love him. They're saying that I'm going in
Speaker 2: spite of in spite of your being trapped here, we
Speaker 2: will go be free, you know.
Speaker 1: And then they're unicorn gorns. It's superpowers. And now they're
Speaker 1: electrical and their eyeballs are bleeding fucking purple light, and
Speaker 1: they're heading towards the door. And now they switch up
Speaker 1: the scene and all you see is their hoof prints
Speaker 1: going off into the distance. Oh and now they're people again.
Speaker 1: Oh now they left the company, So now they're people again.
Speaker 1: I see. No, totally not not some kind of negative
Speaker 1: symbolism at all. Yeah, No, they're people.
Speaker 2: It's a very like I said, it's a very anime thing,
Speaker 2: I guess, which is also once we're dealing with forty
Speaker 2: year old men doing it. I don't know, it's a
Speaker 2: little strange to me. I guess it's better than just
Speaker 2: being guys with a camera looking at it in their
Speaker 2: kitchen being like, oh really shot, but blocks, aren't you?
Speaker 1: So that's where the money's at?
Speaker 2: Oh no, I know, I know.
Speaker 1: There's a large contingent of people forty year olds across
Speaker 1: the board that watch anime now regularly. It's Is it
Speaker 1: any surprise that they're trying to cater to a market
Speaker 1: that WWE really doesn't want a part of, you know?
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, believe me, I am in no way,
Speaker 2: shape or form surprised by any any of the pandering
Speaker 2: to Japanese animation. Shit. It's just also at the same
Speaker 2: exact time, I'm like, it's like middle aged men. It's
Speaker 2: just still kind of fucking.
Speaker 1: No you are you know what, you're a hundred I said, right,
Speaker 1: too bad that everybody that's young in the industry has
Speaker 1: absolutely zero creativity.
Speaker 2: You're right though, that's also yeah, yeah, I just say that,
Speaker 2: but I have.
Speaker 1: To agree with you one, Joe. Everybody that's young in
Speaker 1: the industry is just dumb as fuck. They're just a
Speaker 1: bunch of rye backs running around eating chips, staring at
Speaker 1: the camera waiting for their next move. But you have
Speaker 1: forty year old men coming up with ideas that they
Speaker 1: should have came up within their twenties. But hey, maybe
Speaker 1: they did.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: We we say this right now, like WWE hasn't been
Speaker 1: full of pitfalls over the years for creative ideas underneath
Speaker 1: the arm of Vince. So what are we really doing well?
Speaker 2: This? Well? This is also I mean you you found
Speaker 2: the lane in there that I didn't even consider fully,
Speaker 2: but just that, Yeah, we have hit this point where
Speaker 2: like the thirty five year old plus wrestlers are for
Speaker 2: some reason still trying to come up with shit, and
Speaker 2: the kids are like, what if I do a super kick?
Speaker 2: Like really, that's all right, I guess that's it. It's
Speaker 2: like what if I was arrogant? What if I was
Speaker 2: a heel but a cool heel?
Speaker 1: What if I was a goth girl? Oh wow?
Speaker 2: What no dude, No, no, no, no, we can't. We
Speaker 2: can't do that. That's way too off the beaten paths.
Speaker 2: That's that's not something you can have women doing wrestling.
Speaker 2: What are you gonna say next? They're gonna are they
Speaker 2: gonna come out to some rock music maybe where pleather
Speaker 2: or something like that, that's unheard of. I've never even
Speaker 2: thought that could be a possibility. But yeah, you're you're
Speaker 2: right in a funny sort of way where it's like
Speaker 2: I'm sitting here going, oh, the forty year old men
Speaker 2: are making unicorn and fucking videos for themselves. But then
Speaker 2: also it's like, well, what are the twenty five year
Speaker 2: olds doing? Fucking Jack Dettally shit, So maybe that's maybe
Speaker 2: that's the problem. Maybe that well, not one of the
Speaker 2: one of the many, many problems.
Speaker 1: You got a few more problems going on in w
Speaker 1: I just just added to.
Speaker 2: The list, you know what I mean. I don't know
Speaker 2: where that's ranking in a family feud board, but it's
Speaker 2: certainly uh certainly making there. It's making the top top ten.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's fucking It is very very it is
Speaker 2: very very open ended, and they get points for being
Speaker 2: clever or creative, and they also get points for having
Speaker 2: a ring master, but leaving it kind of kind of
Speaker 2: open like who is that? Like they could have really Christy.
Speaker 1: They were meta as fucking that whole thing. Even if
Speaker 1: you wanted to look around that and say, looh is
Speaker 1: that triple eh? It was that Vince McMahon, It doesn't
Speaker 1: really matter, could Binari? Man, it doesn't matter, So the
Speaker 1: golden chains come on. I as the whole thing was
Speaker 1: just it was brutal to look at. It was brutal
Speaker 1: to look at, not for the reason of creating activity,
Speaker 1: but it's it's just more of the narrative that, Look,
Speaker 1: WWE is a horrible place to be, and as soon
Speaker 1: as these people leave, they're all going to be free
Speaker 1: and happier. I really hope these guys end up happier
Speaker 1: on the indies. I mean, you hear about such wonderful
Speaker 1: stories about indie wrestlers, and they get their trust fall
Speaker 1: at some small promotion, and then they live happily ever after,
Speaker 1: never never having to deal with financial issues or drug
Speaker 1: issues or anything else like that. So I really hope
Speaker 1: that their futures are wonderful and bright and maybe, you know,
Speaker 1: they'll obviously do something with the podcast, they'll expand from there,
Speaker 1: maybe they'll get on board some kind of network. Oh well,
Speaker 1: I guess not anymore, because WWE now owns that network. Joe,
Speaker 1: it's no.
Speaker 2: Longer they well, dude, this is also yeah, WWE's buying
Speaker 2: all this shit, and they made more than enough money too,
Speaker 2: Like let's let's let's also try our best to remember
Speaker 2: that like them doing the whole where basically show ponies,
Speaker 2: like the symbolism is just it's dripping, it's dripping off
Speaker 2: this thing golden, the golden chains, he hey, the golden
Speaker 2: handcuffs as people call them, right where it's a job
Speaker 2: where you're making a lot of money but you're not
Speaker 2: particularly happier into it. Wow, that's something a lot of
Speaker 2: people can relate to, right, sure, Yeah, everyone that works
Speaker 2: a job currently that has something resembling helthing.
Speaker 1: Sure, if you're not a CEO, then you understand, right, right, that's.
Speaker 2: We're all just that unicorn and we're all running away.
Speaker 2: Sometimes we're running past the broken horns unicorn and we
Speaker 2: know exactly why that person has to stay there, you know,
Speaker 2: we know what the deal is. But also with this
Speaker 2: but also at the same time, it's like, Okay, maybe
Speaker 2: we can carry this positivity over into because they're own.
Speaker 2: Aw it's there's pretty much no fucking way around that.
Speaker 2: I will be genuinely surprised if we don't see them
Speaker 2: in a w in the next what months, I mean sure,
Speaker 2: but they well they have the big, the big show
Speaker 2: coming up at Wembley in two weeks, right.
Speaker 1: Might show up at Juggalo Championship Wrestling.
Speaker 2: Oh, that would be You imagine if the New Day
Speaker 2: showed up in the Juggalo face paint they were like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're just not even doing a w We're just we're
Speaker 2: just down with the clowns.
Speaker 1: Now, that would be Actually, wouldn't they be the ultimate heels? No, seriously,
Speaker 1: the clean cut or not even clean cut, but the
Speaker 1: anime kids, you know what I mean, the non face
Speaker 1: paint wearing, the people that don't do drugs and they
Speaker 1: read comic books and they have a good time. They're
Speaker 1: into silly characters. Like if they showed up in j
Speaker 1: c W, wouldn't they kind of be the ultimate heels.
Speaker 2: Well that's the weird thing about the nerd culture today, right,
Speaker 2: is like I don't know what they could get if
Speaker 2: they were like, hey, guys, why are you doing drugs
Speaker 2: and drinking? We could all sit around and play war Hammer.
Speaker 2: That's like probably half the Juggalos should be like I want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's you ran into. But I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure they're not thinking about war Hammer.
Speaker 2: So well there's I mean, I I don't want to
Speaker 2: assume they're all complete whiskey tango. It's gotta be some
Speaker 2: there's gotta be some nerds in there. It's that's that's
Speaker 2: where it is. It's spread out, the nerd the idea
Speaker 2: of it just being like there was a group of
Speaker 2: kids that you knew when you were younger, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: those are the those are the anime kids, and these
Speaker 2: are the theater nerds and all that shit. I don't
Speaker 2: think that that's what it is as much anymore. I
Speaker 2: don't believe I.
Speaker 1: Think it's spread out. There's a division for a reason.
Speaker 1: There are lines in the San Joseph. You don't cross
Speaker 1: the fucking lines in the sand. There are no Juggalos
Speaker 1: playing Warhammer forty K. I'm sorry, I won't have it.
Speaker 2: That's the one message. Yeah, that's the angriest message we'll
Speaker 2: get this month, crappling the Juggalo. That's like, I'm like
Speaker 2: fucking painting figures.
Speaker 1: Fucking idiot Oaks, Oaks, shut up.
Speaker 2: Just you don't fucking know what. You don't know. Shit,
Speaker 2: it's my favorite thing as him making those like little,
Speaker 2: those little figures, and he's drawing the violent j paint
Speaker 2: on the little figures, say.
Speaker 1: Oh no, oh, no, Juggalos. That's what we need, some
Speaker 1: Juggalo marines.
Speaker 2: Ugh, oh my god, well, dude, what fun. I don't
Speaker 2: want to say whatever, because it is actually creative to
Speaker 2: some extent. Like, honestly, that was the most glass half
Speaker 2: full way you could have explained this or at least
Speaker 2: put it into perspective. For me, I'm glad someone's trying,
Speaker 2: even if it's middle aged men and are millionaires.
Speaker 1: You know, when these guys leave, some of them do
Speaker 1: really well for themselves. I think Cross really set a
Speaker 1: precedent for a lot of people him and Scarlett when
Speaker 1: they went out and he was doing his long form videos.
Speaker 1: Some of that shit was so fucking meta and deep.
Speaker 1: It's like I hate seeing him on the Indies because
Speaker 1: it's like nobody's going to attach to you. Nobody's gonna
Speaker 1: go back and watch all this hard work you've done
Speaker 1: for fifty people. Like it's just I don't know what else,
Speaker 1: but that's what I feel like, Like the Indies, it
Speaker 1: was weird when when we were much younger, like in
Speaker 1: the two thousands and stuff, and we were watching those
Speaker 1: old CZW and IWA Mid South feuds and it was
Speaker 1: always the thing that bothered me the most was yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a contingent of people that see this stuff, but
Speaker 1: it was so limited. It was limited to people that
Speaker 1: would fucking use rapid share and mega upload or mega download,
Speaker 1: you know, like that was the only way that you
Speaker 1: would see a lot of these matches because they weren't
Speaker 1: readily available and unless you bought things through RF video,
Speaker 1: which was limited to there's really no way for you
Speaker 1: to get these individual promotions videos there matches, or at
Speaker 1: least not currently. You could always get something a year later.
Speaker 1: But my thought process even back then was oh, let's
Speaker 1: just wait five years. Let's just wait ten years when
Speaker 1: everybody has to be on the internet when everything has
Speaker 1: to be streamed live. And my thought was, hey, then
Speaker 1: it's going to be readily available for everyone. There's not
Speaker 1: going to be any monopolies. It's going to be impossible
Speaker 1: to monopolize anything if everybody can put up their show
Speaker 1: against anybody else at any timeframe. And that was another
Speaker 1: thing I thought too, was like, oh, dude, the timeframe
Speaker 1: wrestling shows are done, nobody's going to give a shit
Speaker 1: what time it is because they're just going to you
Speaker 1: can watch it whenever the fuck you want.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean we are seeing that with We
Speaker 2: are seeing that with Netflix. We are seeing that with
Speaker 2: Raw on Netflix, you know, I.
Speaker 1: Mean to a point. But I mean that's like it's
Speaker 1: it's almost too little, too late, isn't it. I mean
Speaker 1: Netflix has taken Raw and they have beaten it with
Speaker 1: such such copious amounts of branding and commercials. And I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't want to sit there and blame
Speaker 1: WWE holy for this, but it's absolutely part of it
Speaker 1: because they do the same thing with ESPN now and
Speaker 1: now they have their own radio network, They're going to
Speaker 1: do the same thing with their radio network. I mean,
Speaker 1: at what point does anybody else have the ability to
Speaker 1: I guess in fact, or open up people's minds to
Speaker 1: different types of wrestling, indie wrestling. There's no way. WWE,
Speaker 1: and we've talked about this ad nauseum too. WWE puts
Speaker 1: out so much content that there's no possible way that
Speaker 1: you can follow these.
Speaker 2: Oh well, unless you fall into some sort of short
Speaker 2: algorithm on whatever it is, uh, you know, TikTok, Instagram,
Speaker 2: any of that shit. I mean, right now, for probably
Speaker 2: the first time since I was pretty young, and maybe
Speaker 2: now more than ever, heavy like like the hardcore scene
Speaker 2: and like funny enough like slam, death metal and shit
Speaker 2: like that is getting attention more in the mainstream. And
Speaker 2: it's because the shit and the sound is so clippable.
Speaker 2: So like the noise of like just a heavy chuggy rip,
Speaker 2: you know, riff and a guy screaming yeah, people are like, oh,
Speaker 2: that catches you. That will catch your eye or your
Speaker 2: ear and the ten seconds you're flipping through shit. So
Speaker 2: you have a band like Peeling Flesh and they're playing
Speaker 2: fucking Warped Tour where it's like, okay, so let's look
Speaker 2: at the SATs here, all right, So between Jimmy Eat World,
Speaker 2: we have Peeling Flesh. You're like, wait, what how did
Speaker 2: they make it on the lineup? But it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: because it's TikTok oh, because Instagram. Because it's just like
Speaker 2: a quick, little, like fucking dopamine burst of music or
Speaker 2: sound or whatever. And it does also fit into exactly
Speaker 2: what you were just talking about with the wrestlers too,
Speaker 2: because it's like they think, or a lot of them
Speaker 2: I think, believe that that quick, little twelve second clip
Speaker 2: or the thing that's going to catch people's eye is
Speaker 2: look at me, hurt myself real good. But they don't
Speaker 2: realize this is like actually something that they can come
Speaker 2: up with that can catch people's eyes or ears or
Speaker 2: resonate with them and that little like micro fucking burst
Speaker 2: of information or just eye candy or whatever it needs
Speaker 2: to be, because they're just like, look a falling off
Speaker 2: a thing, and it's like, motherfucker, they're all falling off things.
Speaker 2: Everybody's falling off things. Look, this person fell. It doesn't
Speaker 2: mean anything anymore. So yeah, if you do something extra
Speaker 2: fucking stupid and almost kill yourself, then you might be
Speaker 2: a clip that somebody reposts ten times on Instagram or
Speaker 2: TikTok and someone goes by real quick and goes, what
Speaker 2: a fucking idiot, And that's it, and that's it. That's
Speaker 2: the extent of your exposure and fame to the mainstream audience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh wow, you clipped off a finger. Oh shit, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like that's the only time people pay attention to the
Speaker 1: indies is when horrible Oh you you you shot a
Speaker 1: fucking syringe right through his testicles. Oh that's uh, that's me, Jess.
Speaker 1: You got to talk about that on the show.
Speaker 2: Well, dude, that's uh. You think about when they were
Speaker 2: even talking on the Dark Side of the Ring the
Speaker 2: TNA shit, right, Uh, not even the TNA shit, but
Speaker 2: the Samoa Joe and necro Butcher thing. There was a
Speaker 2: point where there were legitimately people on indies that had
Speaker 2: an aura and a personality and like, uh, the whole
Speaker 2: and I know it's so fucking cheesy, and people like
Speaker 2: Tony kind of destroyed it from the gore, but like
Speaker 2: the dream match idea, right, could you imagine if Samoa
Speaker 2: Joe fucked the Undertaker, right?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And this was and this was sh grown man.
Speaker 1: Eddie Guerrero fucking shows up in r o H and
Speaker 1: blows everybody's mind in half. Like there was there was
Speaker 1: a lot Ricky Steinbout, another r o H, another r
Speaker 1: o H guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, yeah r o H legends. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but it's like there was nothing else of course though, yeah.
Speaker 1: But there was their own buzz and the characters in
Speaker 1: the indies. Uh, like I don't know why he comes
Speaker 1: to my mind first and foremost, but like Larry Sweeney,
Speaker 1: Larry Sweeney was another one of those guys on the
Speaker 1: indies that had an actual allure, had his own character.
Speaker 1: Obviously you go to see him punk and even a
Speaker 1: younger Christopher Daniels, like all of these guys, Samoa, Joe,
Speaker 1: Chris Hero, like all of these people, Kevin Steam, Claudio
Speaker 1: castic Noli. They all had big personalities on their own.
Speaker 1: It wasn't the independent promotion that was making them. Obviously
Speaker 1: that's where they fought. But they all had these huge
Speaker 1: promotions on or these huge personalities on their own. And
Speaker 1: it's almost as if there's nothing to watch on the
Speaker 1: indies anymore. Dude, I don't remember the last time anyone
Speaker 1: even wanted to talk to about the indies, even in
Speaker 1: our chat, like nobody ever brings it up. Every once
Speaker 1: in a while, I'll see the little uh, the Joshi guys,
Speaker 1: I'll see them popping there. Hey there's a show about
Speaker 1: Tis at three in the morning. I'm like, all right, whatever,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be there, which sounds great.
Speaker 1: There's oppression happening at three in the morning.
Speaker 2: I know, you want to watch Japanese schoolgirls go ye
Speaker 2: and hit each other. Yeah, two o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1: I'm like, somebody summed it up best too. It's like,
Speaker 1: why do they all wear different colored hair in different
Speaker 1: colored outfits? Because you'd never be able to tell one
Speaker 1: from the other if they were all just in the
Speaker 1: normal hair.
Speaker 2: I was like, ah, dog, you're quoting me back to me, right, I.
Speaker 1: Was saying shit, all right, I'm looking at.
Speaker 2: Like one of those mean pictures with a quote from myself.
Speaker 2: I kind of no, no, but it is Spider Man. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but it is true to some extent. Like that's why
Speaker 2: they reached some point with the Joshi girls, who where
Speaker 2: it's like, all right, you have to have purple hair,
Speaker 2: you have to have green fucking hair, because you're all
Speaker 2: five ft two and weigh one hundred and ten pounds
Speaker 2: and go dag and just fucking yell as you hit
Speaker 2: each other. There's no discerning factor to you at all.
Speaker 1: Well look at it like this though, too. I mean,
Speaker 1: when we're talking about the Indies, Triple A is an
Speaker 1: India at this point. True, hey, and they've done wonders
Speaker 1: with what they've had with Dominic and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: It's just it's interesting to me that you that you
Speaker 1: would have to have chet Gable and there dominic mysterio
Speaker 1: and there are others in there right in order to
Speaker 1: really move the idea of watching Triple A shows and
Speaker 1: they were really good. They were really good. Jeff and
Speaker 1: Lofisto covered them. They were really good shows, and I
Speaker 1: enjoyed watching them. But it's it's like that's the closest
Speaker 1: thing we get to an indie nowadays. I know GCW
Speaker 1: is hardcore and everybody watch everybody in the world watches
Speaker 1: GCW all the time, but I don't know anybody that's
Speaker 1: talking about it.
Speaker 2: It's borderline unwatchable now. I mean, I've I've tried to
Speaker 2: give them, you know, because it's the summer. I got time,
Speaker 2: so I've tried to give give myself and them a
Speaker 2: chance to get back into it. And I'm just going,
Speaker 2: this is this is nothing. There's really nothing resonating with me.
Speaker 2: There's no characters on this show. There's nobody that's particularly
Speaker 2: jumping out to me. And I'm going, ah, there's a
Speaker 2: future you know star whatever that might be a star
Speaker 2: is in like WW we could make them a star
Speaker 2: or is a star as in like Mike Bailey, where
Speaker 2: you know AW will overbook you for years to do
Speaker 2: flips onto people. I don't even see that.
Speaker 1: TVW and Super Wrestlers, Oh you mean Shaikhara Light, I
Speaker 1: mean yeahs oh no.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we already saw that. We've already seen that version.
Speaker 2: But no, it is it is funny that just the
Speaker 2: character work and those types of the bigger personalities that
Speaker 2: you were mentioning, Like obviously a Sweeney should jump out
Speaker 2: because he's like the textbook definition. He's almost like the
Speaker 2: indie wrestling Patrese O'Neil where you look and you just go,
Speaker 2: what the god damn it? Did you just miss your window? Man?
Speaker 2: You miss your window. You were like a couple years
Speaker 2: off from being somebody that everyone would see and go
Speaker 2: that motherfucker's great. You know, like there's very few people
Speaker 2: that whatever you could say about the smart wrestling fans,
Speaker 2: and you know, everybody's going to have their flavor of
Speaker 2: ice cream and have their opinions on each other. But
Speaker 2: like if you go and see the Sweeteney promos from
Speaker 2: the early two thousands and you don't go, that's a
Speaker 2: talented guy, then I'm not sure you're particularly even remotely
Speaker 2: like wrestling. Yeah, he's truly.
Speaker 1: I always felt like MGF kind of bit off of
Speaker 1: Larry Sweeney. I felt like velveteen Dream kind of bit
Speaker 1: off of Larry Sweeney. Like there was a few careers
Speaker 1: that had launched over the years that I went, oh,
Speaker 1: they're just they're just taking old Larry Sweeney problem.
Speaker 2: They're getting a little sample from them, they're pulling a
Speaker 2: little influence from them, whatever it might be. But like,
Speaker 2: but mish, that's also you know when you mentioned guys
Speaker 2: like that, Christopher Daniels even or whatever it might be.
Speaker 1: Christopher Daniels was great once upon a time. I mean,
Speaker 1: holy shit, the guy.
Speaker 2: What a great voice. Yeah, but I mean, what a
Speaker 2: great voice. Why isn't he a commentator? That's weird. You
Speaker 2: just not want to be That's all I can think of. Like,
Speaker 2: I know he's agenting or whatever for aw, but he
Speaker 2: was always such a good talker. He was very succinct,
Speaker 2: he was very clear him over a lot of other people.
Speaker 2: But once again, yeah, then Christopher Daniels just sees him
Speaker 2: and he just goes, I don't want to become that,
Speaker 2: you know, like he enjoys helping people come up with
Speaker 2: you for a match, but he feels like if he
Speaker 2: sits at that table, he's going to be drinking an
Speaker 2: energy drink, texting people the whole time and miserable. Maybe
Speaker 2: that's what it is, But like it is funny because
Speaker 2: all these people that you can mention from that time,
Speaker 2: the Dream Match people, Samoa, Joe and everybody. Now we're
Speaker 2: at a point where Adam Pearce, who was for that
Speaker 2: time kind of a let's let's be real. He was
Speaker 2: kind of a throwaway dude like he was. People didn't
Speaker 2: think he was a bad wrestler. He wasn't a talented
Speaker 2: guy or anything, but you know, he didn't really do
Speaker 2: much for himself. Now you see him and you go,
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, if this guy was thirty, he'd be a star.
Speaker 1: Are you not talking about Nick?
Speaker 2: All? This man?
Speaker 1: Well this this old man, nick al old man? All this?
Speaker 2: How weird is the once? And was it you? I
Speaker 2: was you and Dan I was talking about with this
Speaker 2: earlier where I'm like, all this isn't even that old
Speaker 2: by what WWE is doing standards.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was robbing the cradle when he hooked up
Speaker 1: with Mickey Wright, like wasn't even forty eight.
Speaker 2: No, no, she she was.
Speaker 1: Oh I don't believe that. I don't believe that at all.
Speaker 1: No way, no way, old man, all this.
Speaker 2: I think that's what confuses them.
Speaker 1: I not even get three Joe punches says he's ninety three.
Speaker 1: Ah Jesus christ Man.
Speaker 2: Right, that's what happens when you eat your vegetables. You
Speaker 2: gotta eat more vegetables.
Speaker 1: But don't know, I'm sure they don't like it.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, he's not enjoying those vegetables, but they
Speaker 2: are keeping him alive.
Speaker 1: Oh I just slow people never mind.
Speaker 2: Uh, well dude, he if he's what thirty eight thirty
Speaker 2: nine years old? Yeah, that's that's about right where most
Speaker 2: of the talent that's being featured on the show is,
Speaker 2: with the exception of like what the Judgment Day guys
Speaker 2: and a couple of girls right mostly right around that age.
Speaker 2: So showing nick All this like he's fucking Randy the
Speaker 2: Ram Robinson, it's like, you know, he's right around he's
Speaker 2: the same age as these people.
Speaker 1: Do you think that's kind of plan?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 1: Like I wonder and I didn't get a chance to
Speaker 1: watch his with uh Mick file A, But do you
Speaker 1: think that's kind of the plan that WWE wants you
Speaker 1: to think of Nick All this being this old old guy,
Speaker 1: like like we're gonna have a pretend old guy instead
Speaker 1: of using an actual old guy to fill this role.
Speaker 2: Only funnier because I'm pretty sure if I remember correctly,
Speaker 2: this guy's younger than Roman Race. Roman's on the show
Speaker 2: callin see him punk old. Meanwhile, the GM is younger
Speaker 2: than him, right, And he's like, am I supposed to
Speaker 2: be the grizzled rundown guy or whatever? I I don't
Speaker 2: know where I'm supposed to be with this?
Speaker 1: Did they think he's like some nerdy guy like a
Speaker 1: pencil pusher when they hired him? I guess do they
Speaker 1: think that Nick Aldis was getting pushed around by Billy Corgan?
Speaker 2: So he's got it?
Speaker 1: You want a five foot four guy like nobody ever
Speaker 1: paid attention to his matches. I know.
Speaker 2: I love the idea of just completely denying reality. Like
Speaker 2: it's like mister Burne with fucking who is it jose
Speaker 2: canseeko Sideburns or something. He's like, he's like, oh man,
Speaker 2: that all this guy? You know, he was just like
Speaker 2: an undersized indy dude that like not a lot of
Speaker 2: look to the guy, not a lot of muscle either.
Speaker 2: Clearly he's old as fuck. And then he and then
Speaker 2: he walks in and he's thirty eight and six feet
Speaker 2: tall in jacks, and they're like, oh, I got this guy.
Speaker 2: This yeah, no, look at this emaciated little shit. Oh
Speaker 2: don maddingly thank yeah, yeah, I forgot about it. Whatever,
Speaker 2: fucking give me a break thirty five years ago, if
Speaker 2: not older that Joe was. But no, like that's that
Speaker 2: is a weird thing with all this because him and
Speaker 2: Gunther there's a very very good chance that those two
Speaker 2: are going to have a fucking awesome match.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of looking forward to it, really, I meanlet's
Speaker 1: get to it. I mean, I know there's a couple
Speaker 1: of other things we'll talk about, but we have the
Speaker 1: Summer Slam coming up this weekend. Joe, we got night one.
Speaker 1: We do the first and the second, starting off the
Speaker 1: fall season for the most part, with two nights of Summerfest.
Speaker 1: And uh, how are them tickets looking? Still? There's still
Speaker 1: plenty of room available, folks, if you want to.
Speaker 2: Tickets still available.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and twenty of your friends, please bring bring all
Speaker 1: your friends. It's a summer Mania. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you know how funny it is for me that
Speaker 2: they're like, now, tickets are twenty five dollars. You're like,
Speaker 2: weren't they twenty five hundred dollars?
Speaker 1: Yep?
Speaker 2: For WrestleMania, Like, hint, hint, hint, hint, like aren't you
Speaker 2: aren't you guys putting together that something is not working here,
Speaker 2: Things are not going well.
Speaker 1: There when they're pushing this like we we talked about
Speaker 1: the long time ago. A matter of fact, there was
Speaker 1: all three of us, Me, you and John that wwe now,
Speaker 1: especially if you believe the narrative that they're going to
Speaker 1: sell out to the Saudiast sooner than later, are going
Speaker 1: to push all the buttons everything they can for as
Speaker 1: hard as they can and squeeze out every dollar until
Speaker 1: the fans goodwill is finally finally tried up. And I
Speaker 1: think that this Summer Slam, especially after last WrestleMania, but
Speaker 1: this Summer Slam is the first results of that rotted fruit.
Speaker 1: I think the fact that people don't want to show
Speaker 1: up for arguably the second biggest show of the year
Speaker 1: really shows a dampening process of where a lot of
Speaker 1: fandom is versus where it was. I think people are
Speaker 1: finally sick of it. They've got bills to pay, they
Speaker 1: got mouths to feed, anywhere else to go but sit
Speaker 1: there for a half hearted storyline that's going to make
Speaker 1: them feel like shit by the end of the night.
Speaker 2: Anyways, And I hate to be a coastal elite, but
Speaker 2: Minnesota isn't exactly Orlando. It's not a Ruba, it's not
Speaker 2: Las Vegas. It's not Chicago, New York City, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. Like, so this idea of even being like,
Speaker 2: hey man, you can get tickets real cheap, and it's like,
Speaker 2: oh boy, let me see what the plane ticket it
Speaker 2: costs to go to Minnesota. It's like, I don't think
Speaker 2: you're selling that out a lot of people, to be
Speaker 2: honest with, Yeah, I just don't. I don't believe that.
Speaker 2: Even for all the bad things that people will say
Speaker 2: about Vegas today and for people that are from other
Speaker 2: parts of the country where shit is much much cheaper,
Speaker 2: I totally see where they're like, the Strip is a
Speaker 2: fucking rip off. But I was saying this to Rod.
Speaker 2: I think the other where. I'm like, at this point
Speaker 2: where people like you go on the Strip you get
Speaker 2: breakfast and it's sixty bucks or whatever, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: if I get breakfast around me, it's fifty five. If
Speaker 2: it's like it's all it's everything's fucking overpriced at this point.
Speaker 1: Shit, So I'm feeling good, Yeah, I get breakfast by
Speaker 1: me it's five bucks.
Speaker 2: So well, are you talking breakfast, like just a standard
Speaker 2: breakfast sandwich or there where we're going.
Speaker 1: At, Well, you're saying a breakfast sandwich is fifty five bucks.
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, yeah, I'm not a breakfasting. I'm saying, like,
Speaker 2: I sit down breakfast, you know what I mean? Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you get you get yourself a nice little lumberjack, couple eggs,
Speaker 2: it's bacon cut fucking coffee. Yeah, that's that's running you
Speaker 2: twenty bucks a plate. At this point in my area,
Speaker 2: it's not I'm not saying it like a brag thing.
Speaker 2: It sucks. But when people are like, oh, it's so
Speaker 2: much more, and I'm like, like five dollars more and
Speaker 2: you're on vacation, it's really not that big of a
Speaker 2: fucking difference to me. But yeah, the people still noneth
Speaker 2: last would rather go to a place where they go
Speaker 2: ooh pretty lights and things to do than Minnesota. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, then go with a minute apples Minnesota. And
Speaker 2: also when yeah, it comes down to the whole tickets
Speaker 2: are down to twenty five bucks or whatever. Did you
Speaker 2: did you see the news that they released today where
Speaker 2: supposedly there were Netflix executives in the crowd at Monday
Speaker 2: Night ra and they were not they were not believed,
Speaker 2: they weren't blown away by the show. I know that's
Speaker 2: going to be talking to you, which I think about
Speaker 2: that Netflix executives where they're going, we're spending tens or
Speaker 2: hundreds of millions of dollars on this show, and then
Speaker 2: they're watching I believe that you are cursed as a
Speaker 2: fucking performance, and they're like, well, what's this performance leading to?
Speaker 2: And then they're like, Oh, isn't the guy that's a
Speaker 2: boxer like a beat up his fucking wife or something,
Speaker 2: or he's fucking a grapist or something like that. And
Speaker 2: then I go, so this is a vehicle to get
Speaker 2: that guy onto television. Yeah. Some tells me Netflix wasn't
Speaker 2: exactly enamored and blown away and pleased with their investment
Speaker 2: when that's what they saw on Monday. And then they
Speaker 2: see or what they hear is, oh, but the tickets
Speaker 2: are going crazy. We're selling these tickets for all this
Speaker 2: money and the crowds and blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: And then they look up at the screen and they're like,
Speaker 2: please come to Summer Slam. That costs it cost to breakfast.
Speaker 2: That costs breakfast. They're like, wait, what cost breakfast now
Speaker 2: to go to Summer Slam? I thought it was I
Speaker 2: thought it was thousands of dollars to go to Summer Slam.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's not even the arguments. The argument is is how
Speaker 1: much bad faith has wwe given the fans as far
Speaker 1: as storylines that they can't even find change in their
Speaker 1: pocket to go.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Look, I understand when they're charging twenty five hundred dollars
Speaker 1: a seat, that's ridiculous, and you have to plan those
Speaker 1: expenses out, especially in today's economy, And I get that,
Speaker 1: and I understand that's where you're trying to come from.
Speaker 1: But we're at a point now that even if people
Speaker 1: can't afford it, even if they can't afford going to
Speaker 1: WrestleMania or Summer Slam for the price of a breakfast,
Speaker 1: they'd still choose the breakfast every time. It's more fulfilling.
Speaker 2: Right right, You're you're getting more out of it, and
Speaker 2: it's less work at it's less time, and it's less effort,
Speaker 2: and it's actually just I'm.
Speaker 1: Going pasurable fonder memories of moon over my hammy or
Speaker 1: eggs over my hammy or whatever. I'm gonna have a
Speaker 1: fonder memory of that than I am for Night one
Speaker 1: of Summer Slam.
Speaker 2: Oh man, you're not You're not wrong, And I'll tell
Speaker 2: you this right now, all right. In the last three months,
Speaker 2: I think I've told at least double digit amount of
Speaker 2: people about the French toast that I had at Becky's
Speaker 2: Diner in Portland, Maine. All right, I've been telling people
Speaker 2: about this French toast like I should have like a
Speaker 2: picture of it my wallet show to people like like
Speaker 2: a child, Like I'm just like, did you see this
Speaker 2: French toast? It's unfucking believable. I have a feeling that
Speaker 2: I am going to be able to say, whoa this
Speaker 2: French toast way more than I'm gonna be able to say,
Speaker 2: like you said, Night one of SummerSlam. You know, like
Speaker 2: I'm not. There's not for the next three months. I'm
Speaker 2: not going to be saying to people, oh my god,
Speaker 2: did you see the human money's on a fucking pole match.
Speaker 1: That's the problem. Wow, there's nothing that's lasting. I mean, seriously, look,
Speaker 1: may as well go down it. Night one Live Morgan
Speaker 1: versus EO Sky singles match for the women's championship. Then
Speaker 1: we got Oba versus brock Punk versus Rhodes Nights Solo
Speaker 1: and Royce versus the Bloodline Gunther and all this, and
Speaker 1: then the Bella Twins versus uh Uh and versus the
Speaker 1: Fatal Influence Nikki Brian Paige. Sorry, I got Is she
Speaker 1: a twin?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: Is she a part of that?
Speaker 2: She's been taken in, She's been absorbed like the people
Speaker 2: absorbed twins in the womb or whatever. Yeah, by the way,
Speaker 2: is uh is nick all this younger than the Bella Twins?
Speaker 2: I think he might be. Yeah at this point, so
Speaker 2: you know he's he's just a grizzled you know, one
Speaker 2: legged pony making his way down the street, and he's
Speaker 2: younger than the Bella Twins. But yeah, there's a couple
Speaker 2: of matches that you mentioned now, because it's just in
Speaker 2: a vacuum, they'll be good. But are they traveled and
Speaker 2: sit in a giant fucking stadium and put up with
Speaker 2: all the ship that they would put up with good?
Speaker 2: I really well, I don't think so, But I mean,
Speaker 2: I guess we should go through the actual matches himself.
Speaker 1: He sure, Let's start with Obam sorry, and I need
Speaker 1: to clarify about OLMOTHEMI. I got some pushback. Apparently my
Speaker 1: idea of thinking that Obafemi was a classy a classy
Speaker 1: man outside of the ring, and inside of the ring
Speaker 1: he was a savage was apparently wrong, and apparently I
Speaker 1: was corrected on that that he's meant to be a
Speaker 1: bone in the nose spear chucking Zulu warrior as he
Speaker 1: was in that, which.
Speaker 2: Is they totally would be doing that in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: Yes, so I was wrong. I apologize. I did not
Speaker 1: realize that when he was wearing three piece suits that
Speaker 1: it was I was the one that didn't see him
Speaker 1: for what he was. So I apologize to the podcasting
Speaker 1: community for that.
Speaker 2: Well, when we were talking about this before, man, one
Speaker 2: of the biggest problems is with the Obafemi character and
Speaker 2: where you end up with these confusions, which let's call
Speaker 2: it what it is. It's not confusion. For a lot
Speaker 2: of people. It is just like a prejudice where they
Speaker 2: see a black dude with an accent and that's where
Speaker 2: their mind goes. There's oh yeah, true, but nothing nice.
Speaker 2: Let's put it that way. Nothing nice. They're not perceiving
Speaker 2: it that's like, there's a classy, smart business man. Because
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: It's weird for me to anyways, because wrestling has evolved
Speaker 1: in its own way that we don't think about those
Speaker 1: old timey characters. Dude, if somebody showed up with block
Speaker 1: shoes and a samurai jacket on and be like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck is this? Like people don't do that, it's
Speaker 1: ironically right, Like shouldn't Sky Nakamora doing that ironically was
Speaker 1: kind of a throwback to it. But somebody actually doing
Speaker 1: it and meaning to be that character, that would be
Speaker 1: fucking weird.
Speaker 2: That would genuinely be weird. You're right, it would be weird,
Speaker 2: not only just because of the obvious data racial implications
Speaker 2: of it, but there's also just this point where you go, yeah,
Speaker 2: no one looks like that, no one's acting like that, right,
Speaker 2: You're like, we have a enough exposure to the world where,
Speaker 2: like the Internet has existed long enough where unless you're
Speaker 2: just like a complete fucking dolt, You're like, yeah, Japanese
Speaker 2: people just walk around dressed like in shorts and fucking
Speaker 2: shirts and ship you're not You're not some stupid fucking
Speaker 2: dumbass that you're just like, Oh, well, they're not just
Speaker 2: like in kimonos all day doing doing karate kicks like oh.
Speaker 1: Oba Femi was angry in NXT, didn't you know? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know that. I didn't think he was a fucking
Speaker 1: Zulu warrior from it.
Speaker 2: No, because you're not an fucking idiot, you know. But
Speaker 2: this is also where WWE, this is where the this
Speaker 2: is where their shortcomings come right where there shouldn't be
Speaker 2: this confusion as to who or what he is, or
Speaker 2: what his intentions are, or the type of person or
Speaker 2: character that he is, to where it's it becomes even
Speaker 2: the people that are watching it to choose your own
Speaker 2: adventure bullshit show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I because I blame the people on this one, Joe.
Speaker 1: I know we hate to fucking side with WWE on
Speaker 1: this ship, but I gotta give WWEE their defense on
Speaker 1: this one. Joe. You're talking about a company that literally
Speaker 1: has twenty four to seven levels of information being pumped
Speaker 1: out by the machine at all fucking times. They have podcasts,
Speaker 1: they have YouTube shows, they have their own shows, they
Speaker 1: have a network, they have stuff on Netflix, on ESPN.
Speaker 1: There is enough information being pumped out now and people
Speaker 1: still get it wrong. Then in the eighties when a
Speaker 1: dude went out there with a single it and we
Speaker 1: all know who the fuck he was, Like, nobody made
Speaker 1: a mistake. Oh that's Andre the Giant. What is he?
Speaker 1: He's giant? Oh that's awesome.
Speaker 2: Like he's a giant, he's a Frenchman. He has a
Speaker 2: manager that's a Weasley.
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying is we only got exposure,
Speaker 1: minute levels of exposure back in the eighties to the
Speaker 1: depth of who Andre the Giant was, And today like
Speaker 1: Oba Femi's doing a three hour podcast and it's like
Speaker 1: and you still don't recognize his character. I gotta fault
Speaker 1: people for that one a little bit, a little bit.
Speaker 2: Well, we also have to remember that we have lost
Speaker 2: we have lost like universal signs of what a good
Speaker 2: person is, that a bad person is or what is
Speaker 2: this person's personality? We can't tell anymore like that, whatever
Speaker 2: it might be, maybe it's the Internet, maybe it's the
Speaker 2: subjectivity that we've allowed to be interjected into every single
Speaker 2: conversation to the point that it's nonsensical. But you look
Speaker 2: at a guy once again, like oh, but it's like
Speaker 2: he's been on television now for WWE Main Roster Television
Speaker 2: for like six months or so cover take right, we
Speaker 2: still don't fucking know anything about him her what they've
Speaker 2: told us other than he is obah Femi, he is
Speaker 2: the Rula and I am going to kill you, brock listener,
Speaker 2: and I am going to murder you. And you're like,
Speaker 2: all right, well, anything else? You got anything else to
Speaker 2: tell me about this guy? Like where where's he actually from?
Speaker 2: Not just like we're going to announce him before he
Speaker 2: gets Like what's he from? How did he end up
Speaker 2: in ww WEE? Why does he want to be a wrestler?
Speaker 2: Why is he calling himself the ruler? Why should other
Speaker 2: people call him the ruler? They are treating the booking
Speaker 2: of their pro wrestlers the same way that like a
Speaker 2: sleazy fucking music producer would make a boy band in
Speaker 2: the nineties, where I was like, we're gonna take five
Speaker 2: different fucking guys and you know, whichever one you like,
Speaker 2: that's him, whatever you like, You're like, you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: I like this one that's a bad bully, or like
Speaker 2: I like him he seems kind of shay, Like that's
Speaker 2: what they want you to do. They want you to
Speaker 2: do all the work for them.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't I don't know about that, because you
Speaker 1: know what, it's everybody else's fault for not following every
Speaker 1: match that Obafemi's ever done. Like you don't follow his Twitter, well,
Speaker 1: then of course you don't know who the character is.
Speaker 1: You're not following him on Instagram, you're not following him
Speaker 1: on YouTube, you're not watching his sit down interviews with
Speaker 1: Stephanie McMahon, you're not listening to his his high school
Speaker 1: play readings like these are all your fault, that's what
Speaker 1: I hear. I hear your fault, Shoe. That's the problem
Speaker 1: here is that's you know, the fans, they just don't
Speaker 1: do enough.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's that's really what it is. And I know
Speaker 2: Triple H was saying that that it's that it's clearly
Speaker 2: the fault of the fans, yeah, for not just loving
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 1: Right of course, what is what is.
Speaker 2: Wrong with these people? We're making a thing, give us
Speaker 2: all your money.
Speaker 1: Not enough. I think that's the problem is WWE needs
Speaker 1: more content, and I think you know what, maybe the
Speaker 1: start of it is, you know WWE Radio, We do
Speaker 1: have WWE TV. Maybe we can figure out something else, right,
Speaker 1: like maybe like WWE Public Transit, like wherever you go.
Speaker 1: They just they just play old Roman reigns and Seth
Speaker 1: Rollins promos on your way to work to really get
Speaker 1: you pumped up for the day.
Speaker 2: They're gonna start competing with the fucking local bush bus lines.
Speaker 2: They just make those Dan House and ice cream trucks
Speaker 2: into fucking buses and they just drive around.
Speaker 1: Seena's right. Seth Rollins elevator music. Yeah, seth Rollins sings
Speaker 1: the hits on your favorite elevators. Great.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just absolutely positively despise the fact
Speaker 2: that now we've gotten to this point, whether it's triplets shit,
Speaker 2: but the way that a few talking oh well, you know,
Speaker 2: I just wish that the fans would apply their effort
Speaker 2: that they have to dissecting the stories into being invested
Speaker 2: in the characters or whatever the fuck it is. And
Speaker 2: it's like, that's your job, you fucking idiot. You're supposed
Speaker 2: to make the characters interesting. We're not supposed to go, whoa,
Speaker 2: I'll go far to make the characters into a thing.
Speaker 2: In my mind. What do you get?
Speaker 1: It's because I think that you've hit the nail on
Speaker 1: this head before too. It's the coddle nature of Triple
Speaker 1: h's management that has created this empty pitfall. It's the
Speaker 1: fact that, oh, just go out there and have fun,
Speaker 1: guys kind of mentality that has really given us some
Speaker 1: lackluster creativity as far as character work, promos, and storylines go,
Speaker 1: Whereas Vince made people afraid to sit the fuck down.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that Vince is a good guy, but
Speaker 1: I am saying that Vince might have been a good manager.
Speaker 1: He brought He beat the children, Joe, He beat the
Speaker 1: children until they fucking learned, and apparently it worked for
Speaker 1: at least forty years. And she just wants to hug
Speaker 1: the children. That's all he wants to do.
Speaker 2: Well. And this is the problem, dude, is I don't
Speaker 2: even know if it's like he's just trying to make
Speaker 2: his own hug box and on them. Yes, don't forget
Speaker 2: thank you, Anne, I guess make sure we know he
Speaker 2: was pooping on He's an event just sitting there. He's like,
Speaker 2: great promo out there. Can I shot on you later?
Speaker 1: No, I can either yell at you for that ship
Speaker 1: or I could just shot on you. Which one you want.
Speaker 2: And the funny thing is there's probably some people that
Speaker 2: are like, I'll take I'll I'll take the ladder. I'll
Speaker 2: be all right. What can I hold my nose? Is
Speaker 2: that all right? Uh? No, it is? It is. I
Speaker 2: don't even know if it's Triple H wanting to be
Speaker 2: the liked guy, which for years I've contemplated, that might
Speaker 2: just be the thing.
Speaker 1: It works, but that's the thing though, is still on
Speaker 1: Vince McMahon's Terror Terror Brigade. It worked for a while
Speaker 1: when Vince McMahon was finally out. We had a good
Speaker 1: year and a half of Triple H running the show.
Speaker 1: That everything was good because they were still they were
Speaker 1: still recovering from all the Vince fear, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: Like mole morale was through the roof.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, they were so happy.
Speaker 2: They escaped, you know, at their unicorn horns fell off too,
Speaker 2: all of.
Speaker 1: Them, all of it right, And then people got comfortable
Speaker 1: and then fucking and then Ari Emanuel said, you know what,
Speaker 1: these guys are getting paid too much to be this happy.
Speaker 1: Let's cut their paid raph and Triple.
Speaker 2: H is like, guys, guys, uh, I hate to.
Speaker 1: Tell you, but and now he was like Dave Meltzer
Speaker 1: or something, but you know, I know you guys are
Speaker 1: making so much money, now you're gonna only make half
Speaker 1: if you want to say, here on the company, and
Speaker 1: and rightfully, all these people like, but you love us,
Speaker 1: you you gave me the funny hug, Like what are
Speaker 1: you doing? Why Why am I losing half my paycheck
Speaker 1: in order to stay here? Because we're just not being
Speaker 1: creative enough to sell out these shows because the company
Speaker 1: needs more money, and since we can't find new new
Speaker 1: ways to etch sponsorship deals on shit, we're just gonna
Speaker 1: have to take the money directly from you.
Speaker 2: Because we because we sold out to a company where
Speaker 2: instead of their motto being let's put on a good
Speaker 2: show and make a lot of money, it's exponential growth.
Speaker 2: The only thing that matters is exponential growth.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: Where can we just keep putting more and more and
Speaker 2: more and more money in our pockets? Well, everything else
Speaker 2: gets shittier and shittier. But I also think, like I don't,
Speaker 2: I don't believe fully did that that's what it is
Speaker 2: with Triple H. As much as like him wanting to
Speaker 2: be liked or the fun guy or the cool guy
Speaker 2: or whatever the fuck it is, I really believe it
Speaker 2: is the corpo fucking entitlement of like, how dare these
Speaker 2: fucking peasants want something for their money?
Speaker 1: On Monday Night? Raw, He's still taking photos with people
Speaker 1: when they come back from their matches. He's still hugging
Speaker 1: everybody that comes through the fucking thing that comes back
Speaker 1: into the gorilla position.
Speaker 2: And to some extent, And I really I'm dead serious
Speaker 2: about this too. The boys need to stop doing that.
Speaker 1: Stop doing it well to Conn will give me hugs,
Speaker 1: Tony Conn'll give me hogs and he'll pay me money. Uh,
Speaker 1: I can give you hugs. Uh, Like, that's the fuck?
Speaker 2: What's the exchange rate on hugs from Saudi Arabia?
Speaker 1: Tony Kahan gives you one hug and one hundred thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: I'll give you two hugs.
Speaker 2: Ooh, I'll give you two hugs and you go to
Speaker 2: work way way more.
Speaker 1: I really do think you're right. I think it is
Speaker 1: a mix of both though, as opposed to just one
Speaker 1: side or the other. But you're talking about a guy
Speaker 1: who still celebrates every single wrestling match that happens on
Speaker 1: his TV, good, bad, or indifferent. I mean, what would
Speaker 1: have happened back in the day, Joe if somebody had
Speaker 1: a truly awful what would have happened back in the
Speaker 1: day if that fucking Dan Housen Joe Hendry segment went
Speaker 1: off and they went in the back and looked to
Speaker 1: Hug Vince McMahon.
Speaker 2: This would have squeezed him like a fucking what was it,
Speaker 2: Lenny or Lenny, he would have squeezed. Yes, killed them,
Speaker 2: killed them via Hug. Yeah, there is there is so
Speaker 2: much with the god just the middle management bullshit of
Speaker 2: Triple Ah. The obvious like him doing it. He's gotta
Speaker 2: stop doing these interviews. I get it, because it's supposed
Speaker 2: to be where we're all supposed to buy that. He's
Speaker 2: you know, he's Triple H. He's the legend, he's the legend,
Speaker 2: and he's the face of WWE. But because he is
Speaker 2: just a toxic, pompous, fucking cunt, he makes himself sound
Speaker 2: worse and the company sound horrible. Yeah, every time he
Speaker 2: does these fucking interviews.
Speaker 1: Its remember Covid, Yeah, remember Covid When Roman Reigns wasn't
Speaker 1: going to wrestle because of his blood issues and he
Speaker 1: was just asked a simple question and he's stammered. He's
Speaker 1: stammered for like a good five minutes on how to
Speaker 1: try and explain that Roman Reigns might not be at WrestleMania.
Speaker 1: And it's hilarious because he.
Speaker 2: Can't just say because he has blood cancer and it
Speaker 2: could make him really sick from COVID and these are
Speaker 2: the reasons why he can't say it.
Speaker 1: Well, he was also terrified of using the word COVID
Speaker 1: because they didn't want to associate WWE with COVID at all,
Speaker 1: even though they were having everybody watch the show via
Speaker 1: satellite in the actual arena.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just well, what made that even more
Speaker 2: absurd as you think of it, You go, he's so
Speaker 2: worried that someone's going to say, well, then you shouldn't
Speaker 2: even have the show in general, or why are you
Speaker 2: guys getting away with doing it, which, by the way,
Speaker 2: all of which were real valid points. They were in Florida.
Speaker 2: Florida was the fucking wild wild West. It still is.
Speaker 2: They don't give a fuck. No, they truly do not care.
Speaker 2: So to some extent, he could have said, yeah, we're
Speaker 2: running the show, and it'd be like, specifically for Roman,
Speaker 2: who is immunocomprom this is not a good choice for
Speaker 2: him to show up at the show. And like I said,
Speaker 2: I don't even that.
Speaker 1: Was the time. You gotta remember during COVID too, there
Speaker 1: was half the people that said, oh, COVID's not real, Hey,
Speaker 1: no such thing as COVID. So Triple H was, but
Speaker 1: he couldn't navigate that minefield anyways. I would think that
Speaker 1: a halfway competent talker, I guess I mean a Jim Cornett,
Speaker 1: I think would have been fine with something like that.
Speaker 1: Paul Hayman would have been fine with something like that.
Speaker 1: There's plenty of other people in the company that could
Speaker 1: have done that interview about fucking Roman and COVID that
Speaker 1: wouldn't have stammered their way through it and probably gotten
Speaker 1: praised afterwards. Triple H has never been this big promo guy,
Speaker 1: and I get that. There's a lot of praise and
Speaker 1: respect for his career, and rightfully so in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways. I know there's a lot of people that
Speaker 1: hate his career. He booked himself to the top, and
Speaker 1: there's obviously credence to that too. I think there was
Speaker 1: enough of the character. There was enough during the d
Speaker 1: X days. His work with Sean was hilarious and fun
Speaker 1: to watch. Individual stuff with him and Stephanie were great,
Speaker 1: Like there are moments in Triple Ah's career that I
Speaker 1: remember back fondly as a fan, and I think that
Speaker 1: there was a lot of great moments that he's had. However,
Speaker 1: that doesn't immediately make him a good face of the company.
Speaker 1: If he still wants to be the guy in the
Speaker 1: back hugging everyone and telling them, like as like the
Speaker 1: head coach, what a good job they did. Let him
Speaker 1: be that. Find somebody else. Matter of fact, why on
Speaker 1: the fuck is in Stephanie McMahon the face of the company.
Speaker 1: Clearly she's involved with the company. Still, why is it
Speaker 1: Nick Conn? Although I think Nick Conn has got to
Speaker 1: be tearing his hair out because I'm sure fucking Ari
Speaker 1: Emmanuel and the rest of TKO are just like, uh so,
Speaker 1: what else are you doing for us for money? What
Speaker 1: other ways you're gonna find money for us? So Nick
Speaker 1: Conn has got to be like one stage away from
Speaker 1: a heart attack. You know, he's.
Speaker 2: He's he's looking at it, going, God, damn it, I
Speaker 2: have how much money? Like, I wouldn't be shocked if
Speaker 2: in year or two, I'm assuming that they just don't
Speaker 2: tell it to the Saudis, which I'm still it's fairly
Speaker 2: convinced that's what's gonna happen in Wrestlata this year. But
Speaker 2: he might just say, em, I'm good, Yeah, I need
Speaker 2: to be doing this anymore. I've made more than enough money.
Speaker 2: He'll be into his fifties by that point. Which if
Speaker 2: you're fifty five years old and have like one hundred
Speaker 2: million dollars, why are you going to work? Cut it out?
Speaker 2: You could fucking die tomorrow, dude. Like, it's like you're
Speaker 2: not twenty five years old anymore. Shit happens, you know,
Speaker 2: Like you might as well just be like, maybe I
Speaker 2: should take my one hundred million dollars and go enjoy
Speaker 2: my life, which whether it goes on for another ten
Speaker 2: or twenty or thirty years, I should probably go have
Speaker 2: some fun, you know. But it's just it's very it's
Speaker 2: very strange to me that Triple Ah comes up with
Speaker 2: new ways to make himself look like shit to make
Speaker 2: the com and he looks like complete shit.
Speaker 1: But that's the funing is. He's not Press Joe. He
Speaker 1: went out there confidently thinking this is a good way
Speaker 1: to tell people to relax and have a good time.
Speaker 1: It's endearing, right people. Yeah, that's only when I when
Speaker 1: I tell them that chill the fuck out.
Speaker 2: Okay, someone needs to show Triple H Tom Segurora, just
Speaker 2: show him that. I'd be like, listen, if you don't
Speaker 2: like WWEE, it's because you're lazy, so your mindset is bad.
Speaker 1: Bill burmelt down after fucking SORDI.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, this is what you sound like. You
Speaker 2: hear that, that's you. That's you. That's how you're coming off.
Speaker 2: And I must say, too, who is not helping Triple
Speaker 2: H unintentionally? Like just it's not on him at all
Speaker 2: because he's doing his own thing. But every single time
Speaker 2: I hear John Cena speak, I go, there's there's so
Speaker 2: few people that can do this. There's so few people
Speaker 2: that have the skill that he has and the ability
Speaker 2: to connect with people and listen and have the right
Speaker 2: answer and approach things from a positive way and not
Speaker 2: be afraid of like oh I'm gonna look this way
Speaker 2: or like what about me? Blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: He moves with such confidence and conviction that you see that,
Speaker 2: and then you see Triple H go on a show
Speaker 2: and do it. I don't know why these fucking idiots
Speaker 2: don't just like their pig vomits do you want to
Speaker 2: see your pig vomit idiots?
Speaker 1: Like I think it's because Sina has had enough training
Speaker 1: outside of WWE, where Triple H hasn't. I know, Triple
Speaker 1: He's also a good big movies like The Chaperona, But
Speaker 1: John Cena has, I mean, he was a what a
Speaker 1: fucking ambassador between US and China, Like you have to
Speaker 1: be socially aware if you can convey messages in multiple
Speaker 1: languages and still be liked universally, like John Sena's on
Speaker 1: a different level as far as just a conversation goes.
Speaker 1: When he was talking about the Vince McMahon stuff, I was,
Speaker 1: and I know, we go back and we kind of
Speaker 1: ripped on him for not being able to take a
Speaker 1: side or not being able to say anything forward. But
Speaker 1: in hindsight you look back and you're like, Wow, he
Speaker 1: navigated that whole thing without without shitting on anyone, and
Speaker 1: I'll know pun intended and he got away with it
Speaker 1: without the media crucifying him too. So John Cena is experienced,
Speaker 1: and once upon a time I thought that, you know,
Speaker 1: the only other person that was a better talker than
Speaker 1: John Cena when it came to the public was the
Speaker 1: Rock and yeah, that's kind of changed over the years.
Speaker 1: And who knows, maybe seen the time will come, maybe
Speaker 1: he's maybe Seena'll hit the big five to five or
Speaker 1: something and he'll just go, ah, fuck all those these
Speaker 1: uh Jesus, pick a race. I don't know, like you.
Speaker 2: Know, see, you better not put a Cramer moment on Sina.
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear none of that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I like seeing him more now than I ever liked
Speaker 2: him as a wrestler, honest to God like now looking at.
Speaker 1: Him because there's no interview, there's there's no value to
Speaker 1: him anymore. There's no okay, maybe value is the wrong word.
Speaker 1: There's no consequences of John Cena anymore.
Speaker 2: That's sair.
Speaker 1: He's not being pushed in the Roman reign slot. You know,
Speaker 1: who knows Joe here, maybe Roman reigns when this is
Speaker 1: all over, you know, give him ten years away from
Speaker 1: the company, maybe he'll become a Paul Hamon level talker.
Speaker 1: Maybe he'll know he won't.
Speaker 2: No, no, sir, I'm not gonna allow that level of
Speaker 2: bind optim occasion, all right, that ain't that ain't gonna happen,
Speaker 2: you know what. Honest to fucking God like it's always
Speaker 2: the you gotta see something, something's got to get way
Speaker 2: worse before you realize what you had before. And that's
Speaker 2: really what it is with with Roman and Sina, is
Speaker 2: honest to God, like it's like, you know what, the
Speaker 2: three thousandth match, or if you're having a brightly colored fucking
Speaker 2: shirt screaming spots at a guy and then winning in
Speaker 2: seven minutes, I'll still take that over fucking Roman reigns.
Speaker 2: At least John Cina ran to the fucking rings. Jesus right, yeah.
Speaker 1: Hey, let's get through night one. Uh, we've got to
Speaker 1: Live Morgan versus Eo Sky singles match for the Women's
Speaker 1: World Championship.
Speaker 2: Joe who cares? Uh, it's EO retains, right, So that
Speaker 2: Wayverquel and they can start telling the story. Oh I
Speaker 2: forgot my bed EO wins. Yeah, that's how much I
Speaker 2: give a fuck about that woman's title right now? All right?
Speaker 2: So EO wins it. So that way Live can start
Speaker 2: a storyline about having some sort of jealousy torch for
Speaker 2: cal Is that the is that the way of presenting this? No?
Speaker 1: I think I think hold onto it. I mean, what
Speaker 1: else are they gonna do?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: I think I think live little Little Love lit hold on.
Speaker 1: She was just talking about something in an interview too.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hold it a thousand days, oh, I mean she.
Speaker 2: Roman, Yeah, sure, Livy have fun. I I mean considering.
Speaker 2: I just completely forgot always a good sign for for
Speaker 2: me and for her. I yea, that's fine.
Speaker 1: We got uh Oba Simba versus brock Lesnar.
Speaker 2: I don't Yeah, I don't know as will Oba be
Speaker 2: able to according to some of the people in the audience,
Speaker 2: will even be able to get into the cage, just
Speaker 2: even know what a cage is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could just chew on that for a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, just yeah, nothing weird about people put whatever.
Speaker 2: Uh If Oba doesn't win this, what the fuck are
Speaker 2: we doing with ourselves? I mean, truly, if this is
Speaker 2: supposed to.
Speaker 1: Be, I don't think seems to win. I think Oba's
Speaker 1: shown himself to be such shit lately. My entire view
Speaker 1: on this, I want Brock to win now. I want
Speaker 1: to I want Brock to win. I'm already fucking ready
Speaker 1: to just bail on Hoba. Femi. The way this character
Speaker 1: is so wishy, washy and so weak looking, and the
Speaker 1: only way he gets over is by screaming big words
Speaker 1: but the simplest things just to feed him. It's just
Speaker 1: it's he looks weak and pounding on little fucking NXT
Speaker 1: kids every week is just not doing it for me.
Speaker 2: And I'm not crazy about I'm not crazy about that
Speaker 2: be and his thing, and so you're right, he just
Speaker 2: beats up a bunch of fucking security guards and shit,
Speaker 2: did did they just completely forget? I know that I
Speaker 2: say this a thousand times a week at this point,
Speaker 2: but did they just completely forget what a baby face
Speaker 2: and a heel is on every level to where it's like, well,
Speaker 2: Obah's big and tough, so the best way to show
Speaker 2: he's big and tough is to bully smaller people like
Speaker 2: huh wait, do you guys do you guys even like,
Speaker 2: do you guys even remember watching Nickelodeon? Like what?
Speaker 3: Who?
Speaker 2: Who is writing this? Where you're like, all right, so
Speaker 2: here's the thing. We want to take the six foot five,
Speaker 2: three hundred pound guy that's supposed to be scary and
Speaker 2: imposing but also at his heart a good natured guy
Speaker 2: who is trying his best and wants to overcome this
Speaker 2: other guy. Why don't we have him? Looks at paper
Speaker 2: mutilate one hundred and fifty pound guys constantly that are
Speaker 2: that are just hanging around. Should we just do that?
Speaker 2: It was like, it is so fucking idiotic, and you
Speaker 2: probably and honestly, I could see at this point too,
Speaker 2: Brock's at his house, you know, technically he's in his hometown. Right,
Speaker 2: this is Brock's house. He could come out get a
Speaker 2: huge ovation. Oba could get his Oba chant with his
Speaker 2: Oba dance. Right, there's Oba arms and he comes out
Speaker 2: and the people loved you in the little song and
Speaker 2: dance because now it's a karaoke show anyways, And then
Speaker 2: when the match starts happening, they could turn on him
Speaker 2: and start charing for Brock. It's a real possibility.
Speaker 1: I mean, he is in Minnesota too, Like that's.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying. Yeah, there's a real possibility that they've
Speaker 2: already fucking they've fucked Oba up to the point where
Speaker 2: he's just an entrance. And if you put him in
Speaker 2: there against a guy like Brock, who they've actually you know,
Speaker 2: done something with and you has had character work and
Speaker 2: a relationship with the audience for thirty years or whatever. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I could see him getting cheered in this match and
Speaker 2: Noba getting booed.
Speaker 1: Don Seen is right. I think you can give Oba
Speaker 1: Dan Housen his manager. Uh, I think that'll help.
Speaker 2: Maybe he should just start beating the shit out of
Speaker 2: him and then go I am a baby face, I
Speaker 2: am a good guy.
Speaker 1: I'm tired of already. Man, I fucking hate it. I
Speaker 1: really liked the guy coming out there. He had fucking
Speaker 1: great energy. I thought that it was gonna be a
Speaker 1: breath of fresh air. He gave me Bobby Lashley vibes.
Speaker 1: A little bit, he gave me some Bobby Lashley vibes.
Speaker 2: And now they're treating he gave you Bobby Lashley vibes.
Speaker 2: And now, unfortunately, it looks like it's heading in the
Speaker 2: trajectory of Bobby Lashley's first push, which was look at
Speaker 2: this big, giant, intimidating, tough guy, and then eventually they
Speaker 2: just completely abandoned ship. And six months time and.
Speaker 1: Brock Brock is losing. Brock wants to get the fuck out.
Speaker 1: I think Brock can win and still get the fuck out.
Speaker 1: Wins and the leaves wins and leaves. Yeah, I'm leaving goodnight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll show up at WrestleMania for that last paycheck. Thanks.
Speaker 2: Oh. He's like, I don't know if I want to
Speaker 2: fly to Saudi Arabia. What's the WrestleMania after that? And
Speaker 2: they're like, probably Saudi Arabia again, and he's like a ship,
Speaker 2: all right, I guess I'll let's do this one. Uh man, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't even know. I'm gonna just pick oh. But
Speaker 2: just because I want to assume that the company is
Speaker 2: going to feign wanting to build stars. That's my glass
Speaker 2: half vault right there.
Speaker 1: Cool? Uh seam Punk versus Cody Rhodes singles match for
Speaker 1: the w w E Championship.
Speaker 2: Punk probably, I assume Punk retains.
Speaker 1: Of course, there's no reason for Cody to win.
Speaker 2: No, that's it. That'll be a good match. I mean
Speaker 2: that's really That's all there is to really say about it.
Speaker 2: I mean, truly, it's just you have these two guys.
Speaker 2: They're both baby faces. At least for now, I'll just
Speaker 2: talk about turning Cody. I'm like, well, once again, we
Speaker 2: have a show where that doesn't matter. So you can
Speaker 2: just show up one day and be a complete repugnant
Speaker 2: asshole to people and then you'll get cheered by eighty
Speaker 2: percent of the audience. Anyways, so what are we turning?
Speaker 2: By the way, if you we're at the point where
Speaker 2: you could say, hey, we're going to turn Cody full
Speaker 2: heel and he comes out smoking the garden and people
Speaker 2: start cheering him. So it doesn't even fucking matter with
Speaker 2: this dip shit audience that's watching it half the time.
Speaker 1: Anyways, that's their fault, Joe. WWE gives them enough information.
Speaker 1: You can buy the WWF magazine, Joe. They have WWF
Speaker 1: WWE T Radio, WWF cards too. Fuck guys, Jesus.
Speaker 2: I heard that if at this point, if you go
Speaker 2: into the Asian Food go to the Super eight market,
Speaker 2: they sell fortune cookies full of w W ree would yet, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you open them and next where you learn out new
Speaker 2: information about the people that they brought up from NXT
Speaker 2: that they didn't bother giving you television time for. Uh yeah,
Speaker 2: I assume Punk is going to retain. This just seems
Speaker 2: pretty pretty basic, right La. It's not even the main
Speaker 2: event either.
Speaker 1: So solo Royce versus Jacob Jay and Jimmy six man
Speaker 1: tag match.
Speaker 2: Only a fool, Only a fool would take La Knight's
Speaker 2: team in this match. I'm just saying, only a fool
Speaker 2: would do that because clearly the audience doesn't really know
Speaker 2: who the fuck Royce Keys is. Look another guy that
Speaker 2: just randomly showed up that they've told you almost nothing
Speaker 2: about and developed no character, but expect you to cheer. Obviously,
Speaker 2: Solo is doing a good job. Solo's doing good work,
Speaker 2: but no good deed goes on punish. And another testament
Speaker 2: to that is, of course, at late night, Jay Uso
Speaker 2: will come out still doing his wave your hands in
Speaker 2: the air like you just don't care act, and the
Speaker 2: people will react to that. I don't know, I'm just
Speaker 2: the safe bet in this match, is the USO's I
Speaker 2: believe right, USO's in Jacob. Yeah, it seems pretty obvious.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: I mean, it would be nice. It'd be nice if
Speaker 2: if Solo Sekoa got to pin Jimmy or something. But
Speaker 2: do I think it's gonna happen. No, probably not.
Speaker 1: You know, got uh Gunther versus all this singles match.
Speaker 1: I guess Gunther's retiring Nick all this because Nicholas is
Speaker 1: turning sixty nine in February, so they want to get
Speaker 1: him home. They want to get him home before you know,
Speaker 1: he starts slipping of mind. So yeah, guns gun. There's
Speaker 1: going to be his last match. I think it's his
Speaker 1: retirement match for nick All this.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I know the way that they're talking about
Speaker 2: Nick All this where it's like once again, I don't've
Speaker 2: beating a stroke to death. But it's like when they
Speaker 2: talk about NBA players and they're like this thirty two
Speaker 2: year old veteran, time to send him out to pasture
Speaker 2: this elderly man, he's almost done. He can't play the
Speaker 2: basket hoops anymore. He's almost thirty three. This is ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, that's That's the funny thing in this is
Speaker 2: that is almost the presentation where it's you know, he's
Speaker 2: only going to get this one big shot and uh,
Speaker 2: you know, will he ever be able to do it?
Speaker 2: And it's like he's not gonna beat Dunk. I mean,
Speaker 2: we all fucking pretty much know that to be true.
Speaker 1: But honest, honestly, can I be honest I think that
Speaker 1: this is going to be the surprise. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: this might win it. Yeah, I don't know this. I
Speaker 1: have this feeling like that's the narrative that's being pushed,
Speaker 1: is that for some reason, all this is really old
Speaker 1: and like not not ready to step into a wrestling
Speaker 1: ring again at his age, and I'm thinking that this
Speaker 1: is going to be that moment where, you know, Nick
Speaker 1: All this proves himself, shows up a lot of people,
Speaker 1: me even shows up Gunther a little bit. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean?
Speaker 2: I think that is that how All this gets kind
Speaker 2: of his job back, or wins his position back in
Speaker 2: the company as a wrestler. As he said, they say,
Speaker 2: we listen, we're gonna fire you as a GM because
Speaker 2: you aren't acting right. But you can't come in here
Speaker 2: and have one wrestling match and beat Gunther and then
Speaker 2: we let you walk out the door, right, you know?
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, It's tough because you could really
Speaker 2: build him as a babyface in one night through having
Speaker 2: the right match and the right way against Gunther and
Speaker 2: really really give us all and still not come out
Speaker 2: on top. Or you can do that same exact match
Speaker 2: and then Gunther fucking slips up. You catch him slip
Speaker 2: and being arrogant and fucking all this gets him and
Speaker 2: you also tell a great story, right, I mean, it
Speaker 2: really does come down to, I guess who are you
Speaker 2: putting over for heels and baby face in your other
Speaker 2: main event matches where like I said, Oba and fucking Brock,
Speaker 2: where you're in this position where it's like, who's the
Speaker 2: crowd actually gonna cheer? So even if you put Oba
Speaker 2: over in the crowd, maybe the people aren't gonna lead
Speaker 2: super happy about that, or maybe someone will who knows.
Speaker 2: But I don't think Gunter loses anything in this situation
Speaker 2: by getting pinned by all this. This isn't him tapping
Speaker 2: out to jay Uso in his lime green pleathor outfit
Speaker 2: like Nick Aldos actually looks like a grown ass man
Speaker 2: that could hurt someone. So it's not sad, do you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? And it also in a way
Speaker 2: kind of adds to Gunter's whole thing because or to
Speaker 2: his story and his character where he's lost so few
Speaker 2: matches to so few people that to him the idea
Speaker 2: of oh so all this comes out of retirement. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's a GM and he beat you, Like you're walking
Speaker 2: around here talking ship and you got beat by the
Speaker 2: fucking guy who was a GEM. But that that almost
Speaker 2: helps his character a little bit too, uh, I mean
Speaker 2: this could really Honestly, it seems crazy because I started
Speaker 2: out thinking to myself, it has to be Gune there.
Speaker 2: But now I kind of feel like I can go
Speaker 2: either way. I'm you know, I'm gonna go with the
Speaker 2: dark horse. I'm gonna go with all this. Okay, let's yeah,
Speaker 2: let's live dangerously, dude, live muss.
Speaker 1: You know you have the main events, the Bellots wins
Speaker 1: Nikki Bella and Brie Bella and Page bell the fatal
Speaker 1: influence of j C. Jane, Laney Reid, and fallon Henry
Speaker 1: six women tag?
Speaker 2: Why is this on the Summer Slam Guard? I mean,
Speaker 2: like not even being not I'm not trying to be cheeky,
Speaker 2: but like, why is this on the Summer Slam Guard?
Speaker 1: Jacy Jane?
Speaker 2: Is this what happens when we don't have Is this
Speaker 2: what we have when we don't have Rya? Because we
Speaker 2: have to put the ballas back out there again against
Speaker 2: three girls that were just in developmental like five minutes ago.
Speaker 2: Is this what we end up in the position of.
Speaker 1: I think I think he's right though, fatal Influence wins
Speaker 1: and the ballots turn on Page Yes.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that you know what That's what I think
Speaker 2: everybody's waiting for. Is that? Is that Page versus the
Speaker 2: bell is two on one jumping, leading leading to some
Speaker 2: real great stories. You know, what you got to do
Speaker 2: is if they have any faith whatsoever in Page being
Speaker 2: able to have matches that involve more than like bulldogs
Speaker 2: and fucking bag of popcorn punches, they got to get
Speaker 2: her the fuck away from the Bellis Twins and move
Speaker 2: her on to other.
Speaker 1: People like Oh boy, I don't know when Page first
Speaker 1: signed Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: I'm at I'm at the point where I give such
Speaker 2: little issue it because clearly they don't care either. Where
Speaker 2: I'm good with like Rhya coming back from injury and
Speaker 2: just being a heel that fucking beats the shit out
Speaker 2: of everybody. Yeah, sure, I'd be plenty happy with that.
Speaker 2: Would it be great for T shirt sales? Maybe? Would
Speaker 2: it help their standing? As far as like her being
Speaker 2: a role model for little girls? I don't even think
Speaker 2: it fucking matters anymore, because who cares?
Speaker 1: Just like, pretty sure there's not so many little girls
Speaker 1: watching this anymore. Pretty sure those days are really getting
Speaker 1: behind us.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, they're saying, hey, little girls, you want to
Speaker 2: come watch fucking Dan Housend and Joe Hendry And they're like, no,
Speaker 2: I think I'll just I think I'll just sit over here.
Speaker 1: Isn't that kind of the funniest thing about this is
Speaker 1: that the way that the WWE product has been booked,
Speaker 1: and even AW two a point too, but mostly WWE
Speaker 1: has become so political, so sacri in, so corporate that
Speaker 1: any type of cool factor that any of these people
Speaker 1: had is just fading away. It's bleeding away at this point.
Speaker 1: So the idea of these women getting showcase for the
Speaker 1: show for the company and stuff like that, well, once
Speaker 1: upon a time was part of the cool factor. Ria
Speaker 1: Ripley was part of the cool factor. You know, Sky
Speaker 1: part of the cool factor. Charlotte Flair, Bailey Becky, et cetera,
Speaker 1: et cetera. Like there were different levels, is a j
Speaker 1: Lee and Page even you know, I don't know about
Speaker 1: the Bells, but apparently they got people that like them too.
Speaker 1: But I mean, the cool factor is gone for the women.
Speaker 1: It just feels like it. It feels like the cool
Speaker 1: factor is gone from the entire company.
Speaker 2: I'm really I'm really stuck with the idea of looking
Speaker 2: at this and saying, oh, no, mish because there's always
Speaker 2: this woman and now, I mean, yeah.
Speaker 1: Let's think about it.
Speaker 2: Who is the lays.
Speaker 1: Big fucking needle mover that they brought in Jade Cargell.
Speaker 2: Well, and this is what kills me about Roxy and Libra,
Speaker 2: which I always go back to as why do you
Speaker 2: present these two women the way that you do. Those
Speaker 2: are big sister wrestlers, do you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 2: those are the perfect wrestler for if you had a
Speaker 2: six year old daughter that you were watching wrestling with,
Speaker 2: they'd looking to go. I like them. I like them
Speaker 2: because they remind me of the fucking my babysitter, the
Speaker 2: girl that fucking is a camp counselor the girl down
Speaker 2: the street. Like that's who they are.
Speaker 1: Roxy is a brawser, stunt up. Low dude, come on, like,
Speaker 1: let's just let's let's let's be honest on that one, Rocky.
Speaker 2: That's a terrible man. Are you saying are you saying, listen,
Speaker 2: she ain't getting stuck in the dryer. She's not big enough.
Speaker 2: She well right out that dryer. He's like, help me,
Speaker 2: step ro I'm stuck in the dryer. He's like, wown't
Speaker 2: you just back back out of it. You're fine, You're
Speaker 2: really small. You could just.
Speaker 1: Or maybe she could stuck in the dryer, Joe. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's actually Roxy fully in the dryer, that she.
Speaker 2: Crawled all the wayway. Yes, she's stuck in the pipe
Speaker 2: in the back of the dryer. Mhm. Is that the
Speaker 2: is that the the David Lynch ending, Like if David
Speaker 2: Lynch wrote for Brasers, that's what you do would be like.
Speaker 2: And then she was stuck inside the pipe in the dryer.
Speaker 1: You know, you just hear and then the screen goes
Speaker 1: to black.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dune stop and then that's it. That's the end
Speaker 2: of the well. No, they there, they had Bianca. Now
Speaker 2: Bonca's gone, huh Rhea's out now with an injury, barely
Speaker 2: got years. Was like the cut, see like hug the
Speaker 2: hug the girls be the the now with me was.
Speaker 1: Their other great white hope. And Tiffany's kind of falling
Speaker 1: off the wagon too, but their next great white hope.
Speaker 1: And she's going to kill somebody if she doesn't kill herself.
Speaker 2: I mean. But so Ruka and Tiffany you can both tell.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that they're me and women. I
Speaker 2: don't know them, but the vibe is not the same.
Speaker 2: It's not a j Lee, it's not the uh, it's
Speaker 2: not Bianca like they they don't give off the feel
Speaker 2: of like this is it. Yeah, nothing more relatable than Maxine,
Speaker 2: elastic face, twenty eight year old girl.
Speaker 1: She's a lot of these TikTok girls though, Oh hooray.
Speaker 2: That'll really that's something different right now. Yeah. Well, but
Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying is like that that whole genre
Speaker 2: of women's wrestler has completely fallen off a cliff and
Speaker 2: it's because of bad writing, bad booking, and them choosing
Speaker 2: to fight the fucking currents on people that you look
Speaker 2: at and they go, they look like this, this is
Speaker 2: their personality. Let's play into that. And they say, how
Speaker 2: about we uh flip it and reverse it and go
Speaker 2: to opposite land. But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, let's get ready to wrap it up and get
Speaker 1: out here. We'll cover night to tomorrow. We got a
Speaker 1: bunch of other news to talk about it as well. Be
Speaker 1: a Frank and Guss will put that up on the
Speaker 1: main feet as well to do that. But yeah, because
Speaker 1: we've got tomorrow and then we've got Saturday and Sunday,
Speaker 1: So that's gonna be another six hours with John Draper,
Speaker 1: everybody from Spitball Media. They'll be joining for at least
Speaker 1: one of the Smack or Smack Down, Summer Slam nights,
Speaker 1: maybe even smack Down.
Speaker 2: It's basically SmackDown. Come on, SmackDown too. Yeah, let you
Speaker 2: wait a second, are we? Is he coming for SmackDown
Speaker 2: Night three.
Speaker 1: SmackDown, SmackDown Raw Aftermath like yeah, sure, all.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, SmackDown three the same thing as Spider Man three.
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