Speaker 1: Wrestling too for a mature audience.
Speaker 2: I don't devailp oh Man. A lot of wrestler was
talking to you earlier about this. We have been at
a drought of random, stray wrestling shit, and then in
like the last five days there were just we were
gorged with wrestling news. It was interesting.
Speaker 1: It's all a lot of little stuff. It's not anything serious.
I think that's the biggest thing going into Summer Slam.
You think it would be more centric around the show,
but people care more about what's going on around the show.
Outside of the show. Has been making more headlines than
anything that have that has to do with Summer Slam.
Speaker 2: So well. I mean we've just in the last what
twenty four hours, we've had two forty year old men
release a video of anime Unicorns that set the wrestling
world on fire. So that right there is enough to
just make you go, where are we? What is going on?
How did we get here? How did this become what
wrestling is? Where? That's the that's the news. And I
can see Donzena is in the chat room is a
little bit confused by that. I guess he is not
privy to the recent New Day fucking hype video, if
you want to call it that.
Speaker 1: No, I haven't seen him myself yet, is it good?
Speaker 2: Oh? Good? Good? Heavens you have not either.
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Oh all right. The only reason why I was even
aware of this was it came up in my Instagram feed.
So I'm sure somebody, multiple people will probably share that
as it goes on. But there was a you know,
similarly to what's her name, thank you street Fighter, similarly
to what's her face? There after her ninety day period
where she's like, I'm a woman wrestler who's got to
wear goth clothes. So there's something new for you. The
New Day made an animated video where they're both unicorns
escaping from a circus.
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, let's watch this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: There they ship.
Speaker 1: They even used uh.
Speaker 2: Famous stock music.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, it's not stock that's not stock music. No,
that sounds like somebody fuck sounds synthy wave.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is it.
Speaker 1: It's two unicorns that are pink and burgundy, yes, that
have that are in a circus with gold gold chain
slaves on them.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: I feel like they're trying to say something with that. Joe,
that the that the golden slave chains are are what
they're trying to escape, and maybe this giant circus that
looks like it's very well funded. But except in the
back where the back you could see that there's like
dirt on the walls and stuff. But you know, out
in the public it looks really good. And of course,
of course unicorns have fangs now too, by the way,
I just want to yeah, yeah, and now they're free
of those golden slave chains.
Speaker 2: Oh then look look do they go past you know
that symbolized or maybe a broken horned third unicorn?
Speaker 1: Oh ship, Oh wow? Did they just call up? Did
they just they just call him? That's what I see
they are.
Speaker 2: Wow. No, No, she's looking at him sadness.
Speaker 1: He's been broken by the man, that's what it is. Yeah,
he doesn't.
Speaker 2: Have the ability to escape because his horn, his magical
unicorn horn is damaged.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's broken. Poor thing with its broken horn
still behind it cage, you know, which, by the way,
there's some level to that where you see it and
you go you are kind of he's the only one
that doesn't have shackles. Joe just saying maybe he is
a house unicorn.
Speaker 2: Well no, no, no, that the idea is they're not.
They're not afraid he's gonna escape because he doesn't have
the horn, the power.
Speaker 1: He's a house unicorn.
Speaker 2: Oh well, I mean the hairline was very far back
on that unicorn. Dude, Uncle Acord. Oh my god, oh no,
I just I saw that and I go, boy, oh boy,
are you you're you're creating like a moment where it's like, oh,
it's it's sad because he's watching them go and there's
nothing you can do about it because he's broken and injured.
That's the only place where he could be.
Speaker 1: And it's like, oh, you are you are being so
sensitive to this that is hilarious. No, I think I
think it's going to be as ugly as that. I
would not be surprised if they show up with aw
show up with MVP and those guys over there, and
they do sit there, yeah, because I mean that's kind
of been the narrative that they've been pushing for a
minute too, is that, Hey, look, you think that WWE
is all equal rights, equal fights and stuff like that,
but there's a lot of racism that happens behind the
scenes with WWE. I mean, if if I was the
one interpreting this right, would you really be that.
Speaker 2: Surprised if it becomes that, If it becomes that as
a point of conversation, maybe the starting point shouldn't have
been anime unicorns.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm that's been their thing for a while though.
It's it's it's like doing logo shit, that's all it is.
I mean, there's all it's. It's very meta, right where
unicorns we're free now, we're imaginary creatures and we're free
getting away from these golden chains. Like it's it's all interpretive.
It feels like interpretive dance or something. And the synth
wave stuff, I know, you say it stock. I'm trying
to remember the guy's name, Harvey Danger, Harvey Wallbanger. I
don't know what the fuck his name is, but yeah,
it sounds like some synth wave shit that I was
listening to fucking ten years ago.
Speaker 2: Well, the band is apparently called the loopis Nope, noctee Okay,
I pronounced that right for sure. There's no way I
could have said that incorrectly. Hey, how about just the
fact alone that just once again all the symbolism in there.
Speaker 1: Can you finish watching it first, though, because I mean
I still have like, ah, oh you didn't finish it. No,
we've been talking, dude.
Speaker 2: I oh jesus, Oh okay, I thought you saw the whole end,
all right, yeah yeah, so watch watch what happened?
Speaker 1: Curious. No, I haven't seen this at all. All right.
So he's passing up. So the broken unicorn gives them
the the not be free. Okay, all right, so maybe
they're not looking down on them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they love him. They're saying that I'm going in
spite of in spite of your being trapped here, we
will go be free, you know.
Speaker 1: And then they're unicorn gorns. It's superpowers. And now they're
electrical and their eyeballs are bleeding fucking purple light, and
they're heading towards the door. And now they switch up
the scene and all you see is their hoof prints
going off into the distance. Oh and now they're people again.
Oh now they left the company, So now they're people again.
I see. No, totally not not some kind of negative
symbolism at all. Yeah, No, they're people.
Speaker 2: It's a very like I said, it's a very anime thing,
I guess, which is also once we're dealing with forty
year old men doing it. I don't know, it's a
little strange to me. I guess it's better than just
being guys with a camera looking at it in their
kitchen being like, oh really shot, but blocks, aren't you?
Speaker 1: So that's where the money's at?
Speaker 2: Oh no, I know, I know.
Speaker 1: There's a large contingent of people forty year olds across
the board that watch anime now regularly. It's Is it
any surprise that they're trying to cater to a market
that WWE really doesn't want a part of, you know?
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, believe me, I am in no way,
shape or form surprised by any any of the pandering
to Japanese animation. Shit. It's just also at the same
exact time, I'm like, it's like middle aged men. It's
just still kind of fucking.
Speaker 1: No you are you know what, you're a hundred I said, right,
too bad that everybody that's young in the industry has
absolutely zero creativity.
Speaker 2: You're right though, that's also yeah, yeah, I just say that,
but I have.
Speaker 1: To agree with you one, Joe. Everybody that's young in
the industry is just dumb as fuck. They're just a
bunch of rye backs running around eating chips, staring at
the camera waiting for their next move. But you have
forty year old men coming up with ideas that they
should have came up within their twenties. But hey, maybe
they did.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: We we say this right now, like WWE hasn't been
full of pitfalls over the years for creative ideas underneath
the arm of Vince. So what are we really doing well?
Speaker 2: This? Well? This is also I mean you you found
the lane in there that I didn't even consider fully,
but just that, Yeah, we have hit this point where
like the thirty five year old plus wrestlers are for
some reason still trying to come up with shit, and
the kids are like, what if I do a super kick?
Like really, that's all right, I guess that's it. It's
like what if I was arrogant? What if I was
a heel but a cool heel?
Speaker 1: What if I was a goth girl? Oh wow?
Speaker 2: What no dude, No, no, no, no, we can't. We
can't do that. That's way too off the beaten paths.
That's that's not something you can have women doing wrestling.
What are you gonna say next? They're gonna are they
gonna come out to some rock music maybe where pleather
or something like that, that's unheard of. I've never even
thought that could be a possibility. But yeah, you're you're
right in a funny sort of way where it's like
I'm sitting here going, oh, the forty year old men
are making unicorn and fucking videos for themselves. But then
also it's like, well, what are the twenty five year
olds doing? Fucking Jack Dettally shit, So maybe that's maybe
that's the problem. Maybe that well, not one of the
one of the many, many problems.
Speaker 1: You got a few more problems going on in w
I just just added to.
Speaker 2: The list, you know what I mean. I don't know
where that's ranking in a family feud board, but it's
certainly uh certainly making there. It's making the top top ten.
But yeah, that's fucking It is very very it is
very very open ended, and they get points for being
clever or creative, and they also get points for having
a ring master, but leaving it kind of kind of
open like who is that? Like they could have really Christy.
Speaker 1: They were meta as fucking that whole thing. Even if
you wanted to look around that and say, looh is
that triple eh? It was that Vince McMahon, It doesn't
really matter, could Binari? Man, it doesn't matter, So the
golden chains come on. I as the whole thing was
just it was brutal to look at. It was brutal
to look at, not for the reason of creating activity,
but it's it's just more of the narrative that, Look,
WWE is a horrible place to be, and as soon
as these people leave, they're all going to be free
and happier. I really hope these guys end up happier
on the indies. I mean, you hear about such wonderful
stories about indie wrestlers, and they get their trust fall
at some small promotion, and then they live happily ever after,
never never having to deal with financial issues or drug
issues or anything else like that. So I really hope
that their futures are wonderful and bright and maybe, you know,
they'll obviously do something with the podcast, they'll expand from there,
maybe they'll get on board some kind of network. Oh well,
I guess not anymore, because WWE now owns that network. Joe,
it's no.
Speaker 2: Longer they well, dude, this is also yeah, WWE's buying
all this shit, and they made more than enough money too,
Like let's let's let's also try our best to remember
that like them doing the whole where basically show ponies,
like the symbolism is just it's dripping, it's dripping off
this thing golden, the golden chains, he hey, the golden
handcuffs as people call them, right where it's a job
where you're making a lot of money but you're not
particularly happier into it. Wow, that's something a lot of
people can relate to, right, sure, Yeah, everyone that works
a job currently that has something resembling helthing.
Speaker 1: Sure, if you're not a CEO, then you understand, right, right, that's.
Speaker 2: We're all just that unicorn and we're all running away.
Sometimes we're running past the broken horns unicorn and we
know exactly why that person has to stay there, you know,
we know what the deal is. But also with this
but also at the same time, it's like, Okay, maybe
we can carry this positivity over into because they're own.
Aw it's there's pretty much no fucking way around that.
I will be genuinely surprised if we don't see them
in a w in the next what months, I mean sure,
but they well they have the big, the big show
coming up at Wembley in two weeks, right.
Speaker 1: Might show up at Juggalo Championship Wrestling.
Speaker 2: Oh, that would be You imagine if the New Day
showed up in the Juggalo face paint they were like, yeah,
we're just not even doing a w We're just we're
just down with the clowns.
Speaker 1: Now, that would be Actually, wouldn't they be the ultimate heels? No, seriously,
the clean cut or not even clean cut, but the
anime kids, you know what I mean, the non face
paint wearing, the people that don't do drugs and they
read comic books and they have a good time. They're
into silly characters. Like if they showed up in j
c W, wouldn't they kind of be the ultimate heels.
Speaker 2: Well that's the weird thing about the nerd culture today, right,
is like I don't know what they could get if
they were like, hey, guys, why are you doing drugs
and drinking? We could all sit around and play war Hammer.
That's like probably half the Juggalos should be like I want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's you ran into. But I'm pretty
sure they're not thinking about war Hammer.
Speaker 2: So well there's I mean, I I don't want to
assume they're all complete whiskey tango. It's gotta be some
there's gotta be some nerds in there. It's that's that's
where it is. It's spread out, the nerd the idea
of it just being like there was a group of
kids that you knew when you were younger, and it's like, oh,
those are the those are the anime kids, and these
are the theater nerds and all that shit. I don't
think that that's what it is as much anymore. I
don't believe I.
Speaker 1: Think it's spread out. There's a division for a reason.
There are lines in the San Joseph. You don't cross
the fucking lines in the sand. There are no Juggalos
playing Warhammer forty K. I'm sorry, I won't have it.
Speaker 2: That's the one message. Yeah, that's the angriest message we'll
get this month, crappling the Juggalo. That's like, I'm like
fucking painting figures.
Speaker 1: Fucking idiot Oaks, Oaks, shut up.
Speaker 2: Just you don't fucking know what. You don't know. Shit,
it's my favorite thing as him making those like little,
those little figures, and he's drawing the violent j paint
on the little figures, say.
Speaker 1: Oh no, oh, no, Juggalos. That's what we need, some
Juggalo marines.
Speaker 2: Ugh, oh my god, well, dude, what fun. I don't
want to say whatever, because it is actually creative to
some extent. Like, honestly, that was the most glass half
full way you could have explained this or at least
put it into perspective. For me, I'm glad someone's trying,
even if it's middle aged men and are millionaires.
Speaker 1: You know, when these guys leave, some of them do
really well for themselves. I think Cross really set a
precedent for a lot of people him and Scarlett when
they went out and he was doing his long form videos.
Some of that shit was so fucking meta and deep.
It's like I hate seeing him on the Indies because
it's like nobody's going to attach to you. Nobody's gonna
go back and watch all this hard work you've done
for fifty people. Like it's just I don't know what else,
but that's what I feel like, Like the Indies, it
was weird when when we were much younger, like in
the two thousands and stuff, and we were watching those
old CZW and IWA Mid South feuds and it was
always the thing that bothered me the most was yeah,
there's a contingent of people that see this stuff, but
it was so limited. It was limited to people that
would fucking use rapid share and mega upload or mega download,
you know, like that was the only way that you
would see a lot of these matches because they weren't
readily available and unless you bought things through RF video,
which was limited to there's really no way for you
to get these individual promotions videos there matches, or at
least not currently. You could always get something a year later.
But my thought process even back then was oh, let's
just wait five years. Let's just wait ten years when
everybody has to be on the internet when everything has
to be streamed live. And my thought was, hey, then
it's going to be readily available for everyone. There's not
going to be any monopolies. It's going to be impossible
to monopolize anything if everybody can put up their show
against anybody else at any timeframe. And that was another
thing I thought too, was like, oh, dude, the timeframe
wrestling shows are done, nobody's going to give a shit
what time it is because they're just going to you
can watch it whenever the fuck you want.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean we are seeing that with We
are seeing that with Netflix. We are seeing that with
Raw on Netflix, you know, I.
Speaker 1: Mean to a point. But I mean that's like it's
it's almost too little, too late, isn't it. I mean
Netflix has taken Raw and they have beaten it with
such such copious amounts of branding and commercials. And I
don't know, I don't want to sit there and blame
WWE holy for this, but it's absolutely part of it
because they do the same thing with ESPN now and
now they have their own radio network, They're going to
do the same thing with their radio network. I mean,
at what point does anybody else have the ability to
I guess in fact, or open up people's minds to
different types of wrestling, indie wrestling. There's no way. WWE,
and we've talked about this ad nauseum too. WWE puts
out so much content that there's no possible way that
you can follow these.
Speaker 2: Oh well, unless you fall into some sort of short
algorithm on whatever it is, uh, you know, TikTok, Instagram,
any of that shit. I mean, right now, for probably
the first time since I was pretty young, and maybe
now more than ever, heavy like like the hardcore scene
and like funny enough like slam, death metal and shit
like that is getting attention more in the mainstream. And
it's because the shit and the sound is so clippable.
So like the noise of like just a heavy chuggy rip,
you know, riff and a guy screaming yeah, people are like, oh,
that catches you. That will catch your eye or your
ear and the ten seconds you're flipping through shit. So
you have a band like Peeling Flesh and they're playing
fucking Warped Tour where it's like, okay, so let's look
at the SATs here, all right, So between Jimmy Eat World,
we have Peeling Flesh. You're like, wait, what how did
they make it on the lineup? But it's like, oh,
because it's TikTok oh, because Instagram. Because it's just like
a quick, little, like fucking dopamine burst of music or
sound or whatever. And it does also fit into exactly
what you were just talking about with the wrestlers too,
because it's like they think, or a lot of them
I think, believe that that quick, little twelve second clip
or the thing that's going to catch people's eye is
look at me, hurt myself real good. But they don't
realize this is like actually something that they can come
up with that can catch people's eyes or ears or
resonate with them and that little like micro fucking burst
of information or just eye candy or whatever it needs
to be, because they're just like, look a falling off
a thing, and it's like, motherfucker, they're all falling off things.
Everybody's falling off things. Look, this person fell. It doesn't
mean anything anymore. So yeah, if you do something extra
fucking stupid and almost kill yourself, then you might be
a clip that somebody reposts ten times on Instagram or
TikTok and someone goes by real quick and goes, what
a fucking idiot, And that's it, and that's it. That's
the extent of your exposure and fame to the mainstream audience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh wow, you clipped off a finger. Oh shit, Yeah,
Like that's the only time people pay attention to the
indies is when horrible Oh you you you shot a
fucking syringe right through his testicles. Oh that's uh, that's me, Jess.
You got to talk about that on the show.
Speaker 2: Well, dude, that's uh. You think about when they were
even talking on the Dark Side of the Ring the
TNA shit, right, Uh, not even the TNA shit, but
the Samoa Joe and necro Butcher thing. There was a
point where there were legitimately people on indies that had
an aura and a personality and like, uh, the whole
and I know it's so fucking cheesy, and people like
Tony kind of destroyed it from the gore, but like
the dream match idea, right, could you imagine if Samoa
Joe fucked the Undertaker, right?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And this was and this was sh grown man.
Speaker 1: Eddie Guerrero fucking shows up in r o H and
blows everybody's mind in half. Like there was there was
a lot Ricky Steinbout, another r o H, another r
o H guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, yeah r o H legends. Yeah,
but it's like there was nothing else of course though, yeah.
Speaker 1: But there was their own buzz and the characters in
the indies. Uh, like I don't know why he comes
to my mind first and foremost, but like Larry Sweeney,
Larry Sweeney was another one of those guys on the
indies that had an actual allure, had his own character.
Obviously you go to see him punk and even a
younger Christopher Daniels, like all of these guys, Samoa, Joe,
Chris Hero, like all of these people, Kevin Steam, Claudio
castic Noli. They all had big personalities on their own.
It wasn't the independent promotion that was making them. Obviously
that's where they fought. But they all had these huge
promotions on or these huge personalities on their own. And
it's almost as if there's nothing to watch on the
indies anymore. Dude, I don't remember the last time anyone
even wanted to talk to about the indies, even in
our chat, like nobody ever brings it up. Every once
in a while, I'll see the little uh, the Joshi guys,
I'll see them popping there. Hey there's a show about
Tis at three in the morning. I'm like, all right, whatever,
you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be there, which sounds great.
Speaker 1: There's oppression happening at three in the morning.
Speaker 2: I know, you want to watch Japanese schoolgirls go ye
and hit each other. Yeah, two o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1: I'm like, somebody summed it up best too. It's like,
why do they all wear different colored hair in different
colored outfits? Because you'd never be able to tell one
from the other if they were all just in the
normal hair.
Speaker 2: I was like, ah, dog, you're quoting me back to me, right, I.
Speaker 1: Was saying shit, all right, I'm looking at.
Speaker 2: Like one of those mean pictures with a quote from myself.
I kind of no, no, but it is Spider Man. Yeah,
but it is true to some extent. Like that's why
they reached some point with the Joshi girls, who where
it's like, all right, you have to have purple hair,
you have to have green fucking hair, because you're all
five ft two and weigh one hundred and ten pounds
and go dag and just fucking yell as you hit
each other. There's no discerning factor to you at all.
Speaker 1: Well look at it like this though, too. I mean,
when we're talking about the Indies, Triple A is an
India at this point. True, hey, and they've done wonders
with what they've had with Dominic and stuff like that.
It's just it's interesting to me that you that you
would have to have chet Gable and there dominic mysterio
and there are others in there right in order to
really move the idea of watching Triple A shows and
they were really good. They were really good. Jeff and
Lofisto covered them. They were really good shows, and I
enjoyed watching them. But it's it's like that's the closest
thing we get to an indie nowadays. I know GCW
is hardcore and everybody watch everybody in the world watches
GCW all the time, but I don't know anybody that's
talking about it.
Speaker 2: It's borderline unwatchable now. I mean, I've I've tried to
give them, you know, because it's the summer. I got time,
so I've tried to give give myself and them a
chance to get back into it. And I'm just going,
this is this is nothing. There's really nothing resonating with me.
There's no characters on this show. There's nobody that's particularly
jumping out to me. And I'm going, ah, there's a
future you know star whatever that might be a star
is in like WW we could make them a star
or is a star as in like Mike Bailey, where
you know AW will overbook you for years to do
flips onto people. I don't even see that.
Speaker 1: TVW and Super Wrestlers, Oh you mean Shaikhara Light, I
mean yeahs oh no.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we already saw that. We've already seen that version.
But no, it is it is funny that just the
character work and those types of the bigger personalities that
you were mentioning, Like obviously a Sweeney should jump out
because he's like the textbook definition. He's almost like the
indie wrestling Patrese O'Neil where you look and you just go,
what the god damn it? Did you just miss your window? Man?
You miss your window. You were like a couple years
off from being somebody that everyone would see and go
that motherfucker's great. You know, like there's very few people
that whatever you could say about the smart wrestling fans,
and you know, everybody's going to have their flavor of
ice cream and have their opinions on each other. But
like if you go and see the Sweeteney promos from
the early two thousands and you don't go, that's a
talented guy, then I'm not sure you're particularly even remotely
like wrestling. Yeah, he's truly.
Speaker 1: I always felt like MGF kind of bit off of
Larry Sweeney. I felt like velveteen Dream kind of bit
off of Larry Sweeney. Like there was a few careers
that had launched over the years that I went, oh,
they're just they're just taking old Larry Sweeney problem.
Speaker 2: They're getting a little sample from them, they're pulling a
little influence from them, whatever it might be. But like,
but mish, that's also you know when you mentioned guys
like that, Christopher Daniels even or whatever it might be.
Speaker 1: Christopher Daniels was great once upon a time. I mean,
holy shit, the guy.
Speaker 2: What a great voice. Yeah, but I mean, what a
great voice. Why isn't he a commentator? That's weird. You
just not want to be That's all I can think of. Like,
I know he's agenting or whatever for aw, but he
was always such a good talker. He was very succinct,
he was very clear him over a lot of other people.
But once again, yeah, then Christopher Daniels just sees him
and he just goes, I don't want to become that,
you know, like he enjoys helping people come up with
you for a match, but he feels like if he
sits at that table, he's going to be drinking an
energy drink, texting people the whole time and miserable. Maybe
that's what it is, But like it is funny because
all these people that you can mention from that time,
the Dream Match people, Samoa, Joe and everybody. Now we're
at a point where Adam Pearce, who was for that
time kind of a let's let's be real. He was
kind of a throwaway dude like he was. People didn't
think he was a bad wrestler. He wasn't a talented
guy or anything, but you know, he didn't really do
much for himself. Now you see him and you go,
Jesus Christ, if this guy was thirty, he'd be a star.
Speaker 1: Are you not talking about Nick?
Speaker 2: All? This man?
Speaker 1: Well this this old man, nick al old man? All this?
Speaker 2: How weird is the once? And was it you? I
was you and Dan I was talking about with this
earlier where I'm like, all this isn't even that old
by what WWE is doing standards.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was robbing the cradle when he hooked up
with Mickey Wright, like wasn't even forty eight.
Speaker 2: No, no, she she was.
Speaker 1: Oh I don't believe that. I don't believe that at all.
No way, no way, old man, all this.
Speaker 2: I think that's what confuses them.
Speaker 1: I not even get three Joe punches says he's ninety three.
Ah Jesus christ Man.
Speaker 2: Right, that's what happens when you eat your vegetables. You
gotta eat more vegetables.
Speaker 1: But don't know, I'm sure they don't like it.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, he's not enjoying those vegetables, but they
are keeping him alive.
Speaker 1: Oh I just slow people never mind.
Speaker 2: Uh, well dude, he if he's what thirty eight thirty
nine years old? Yeah, that's that's about right where most
of the talent that's being featured on the show is,
with the exception of like what the Judgment Day guys
and a couple of girls right mostly right around that age.
So showing nick All this like he's fucking Randy the
Ram Robinson, it's like, you know, he's right around he's
the same age as these people.
Speaker 1: Do you think that's kind of plan?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 1: Like I wonder and I didn't get a chance to
watch his with uh Mick file A, But do you
think that's kind of the plan that WWE wants you
to think of Nick All this being this old old guy,
like like we're gonna have a pretend old guy instead
of using an actual old guy to fill this role.
Speaker 2: Only funnier because I'm pretty sure if I remember correctly,
this guy's younger than Roman Race. Roman's on the show
callin see him punk old. Meanwhile, the GM is younger
than him, right, And he's like, am I supposed to
be the grizzled rundown guy or whatever? I I don't
know where I'm supposed to be with this?
Speaker 1: Did they think he's like some nerdy guy like a
pencil pusher when they hired him? I guess do they
think that Nick Aldis was getting pushed around by Billy Corgan?
Speaker 2: So he's got it?
Speaker 1: You want a five foot four guy like nobody ever
paid attention to his matches. I know.
Speaker 2: I love the idea of just completely denying reality. Like
it's like mister Burne with fucking who is it jose
canseeko Sideburns or something. He's like, he's like, oh man,
that all this guy? You know, he was just like
an undersized indy dude that like not a lot of
look to the guy, not a lot of muscle either.
Clearly he's old as fuck. And then he and then
he walks in and he's thirty eight and six feet
tall in jacks, and they're like, oh, I got this guy.
This yeah, no, look at this emaciated little shit. Oh
don maddingly thank yeah, yeah, I forgot about it. Whatever,
fucking give me a break thirty five years ago, if
not older that Joe was. But no, like that's that
is a weird thing with all this because him and
Gunther there's a very very good chance that those two
are going to have a fucking awesome match.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of looking forward to it, really, I meanlet's
get to it. I mean, I know there's a couple
of other things we'll talk about, but we have the
Summer Slam coming up this weekend. Joe, we got night one.
We do the first and the second, starting off the
fall season for the most part, with two nights of Summerfest.
And uh, how are them tickets looking? Still? There's still
plenty of room available, folks, if you want to.
Speaker 2: Tickets still available.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and twenty of your friends, please bring bring all
your friends. It's a summer Mania. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you know how funny it is for me that
they're like, now, tickets are twenty five dollars. You're like,
weren't they twenty five hundred dollars?
Speaker 1: Yep?
Speaker 2: For WrestleMania, Like, hint, hint, hint, hint, like aren't you
aren't you guys putting together that something is not working here,
Things are not going well.
Speaker 1: There when they're pushing this like we we talked about
the long time ago. A matter of fact, there was
all three of us, Me, you and John that wwe now,
especially if you believe the narrative that they're going to
sell out to the Saudiast sooner than later, are going
to push all the buttons everything they can for as
hard as they can and squeeze out every dollar until
the fans goodwill is finally finally tried up. And I
think that this Summer Slam, especially after last WrestleMania, but
this Summer Slam is the first results of that rotted fruit.
I think the fact that people don't want to show
up for arguably the second biggest show of the year
really shows a dampening process of where a lot of
fandom is versus where it was. I think people are
finally sick of it. They've got bills to pay, they
got mouths to feed, anywhere else to go but sit
there for a half hearted storyline that's going to make
them feel like shit by the end of the night.
Speaker 2: Anyways, And I hate to be a coastal elite, but
Minnesota isn't exactly Orlando. It's not a Ruba, it's not
Las Vegas. It's not Chicago, New York City, you know
what I mean. Like, so this idea of even being like,
hey man, you can get tickets real cheap, and it's like,
oh boy, let me see what the plane ticket it
costs to go to Minnesota. It's like, I don't think
you're selling that out a lot of people, to be
honest with, Yeah, I just don't. I don't believe that.
Even for all the bad things that people will say
about Vegas today and for people that are from other
parts of the country where shit is much much cheaper,
I totally see where they're like, the Strip is a
fucking rip off. But I was saying this to Rod.
I think the other where. I'm like, at this point
where people like you go on the Strip you get
breakfast and it's sixty bucks or whatever, and I'm like, yeah,
if I get breakfast around me, it's fifty five. If
it's like it's all it's everything's fucking overpriced at this point.
Speaker 1: Shit, So I'm feeling good, Yeah, I get breakfast by
me it's five bucks.
Speaker 2: So well, are you talking breakfast, like just a standard
breakfast sandwich or there where we're going.
Speaker 1: At, Well, you're saying a breakfast sandwich is fifty five bucks.
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, yeah, I'm not a breakfasting. I'm saying, like,
I sit down breakfast, you know what I mean? Like, yeah,
you get you get yourself a nice little lumberjack, couple eggs,
it's bacon cut fucking coffee. Yeah, that's that's running you
twenty bucks a plate. At this point in my area,
it's not I'm not saying it like a brag thing.
It sucks. But when people are like, oh, it's so
much more, and I'm like, like five dollars more and
you're on vacation, it's really not that big of a
fucking difference to me. But yeah, the people still noneth
last would rather go to a place where they go
ooh pretty lights and things to do than Minnesota. Yeah,
you know, then go with a minute apples Minnesota. And
also when yeah, it comes down to the whole tickets
are down to twenty five bucks or whatever. Did you
did you see the news that they released today where
supposedly there were Netflix executives in the crowd at Monday
Night ra and they were not they were not believed,
they weren't blown away by the show. I know that's
going to be talking to you, which I think about
that Netflix executives where they're going, we're spending tens or
hundreds of millions of dollars on this show, and then
they're watching I believe that you are cursed as a
fucking performance, and they're like, well, what's this performance leading to?
And then they're like, Oh, isn't the guy that's a
boxer like a beat up his fucking wife or something,
or he's fucking a grapist or something like that. And
then I go, so this is a vehicle to get
that guy onto television. Yeah. Some tells me Netflix wasn't
exactly enamored and blown away and pleased with their investment
when that's what they saw on Monday. And then they
see or what they hear is, oh, but the tickets
are going crazy. We're selling these tickets for all this
money and the crowds and blah blah blah blah blah.
And then they look up at the screen and they're like,
please come to Summer Slam. That costs it cost to breakfast.
That costs breakfast. They're like, wait, what cost breakfast now
to go to Summer Slam? I thought it was I
thought it was thousands of dollars to go to Summer Slam.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's not even the arguments. The argument is is how
much bad faith has wwe given the fans as far
as storylines that they can't even find change in their
pocket to go.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Look, I understand when they're charging twenty five hundred dollars
a seat, that's ridiculous, and you have to plan those
expenses out, especially in today's economy, And I get that,
and I understand that's where you're trying to come from.
But we're at a point now that even if people
can't afford it, even if they can't afford going to
WrestleMania or Summer Slam for the price of a breakfast,
they'd still choose the breakfast every time. It's more fulfilling.
Speaker 2: Right right, You're you're getting more out of it, and
it's less work at it's less time, and it's less effort,
and it's actually just I'm.
Speaker 1: Going pasurable fonder memories of moon over my hammy or
eggs over my hammy or whatever. I'm gonna have a
fonder memory of that than I am for Night one
of Summer Slam.
Speaker 2: Oh man, you're not You're not wrong, And I'll tell
you this right now, all right. In the last three months,
I think I've told at least double digit amount of
people about the French toast that I had at Becky's
Diner in Portland, Maine. All right, I've been telling people
about this French toast like I should have like a
picture of it my wallet show to people like like
a child, Like I'm just like, did you see this
French toast? It's unfucking believable. I have a feeling that
I am going to be able to say, whoa this
French toast way more than I'm gonna be able to say,
like you said, Night one of SummerSlam. You know, like
I'm not. There's not for the next three months. I'm
not going to be saying to people, oh my god,
did you see the human money's on a fucking pole match.
Speaker 1: That's the problem. Wow, there's nothing that's lasting. I mean, seriously, look,
may as well go down it. Night one Live Morgan
versus EO Sky singles match for the women's championship. Then
we got Oba versus brock Punk versus Rhodes Nights Solo
and Royce versus the Bloodline Gunther and all this, and
then the Bella Twins versus uh Uh and versus the
Fatal Influence Nikki Brian Paige. Sorry, I got Is she
a twin?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: Is she a part of that?
Speaker 2: She's been taken in, She's been absorbed like the people
absorbed twins in the womb or whatever. Yeah, by the way,
is uh is nick all this younger than the Bella Twins?
I think he might be. Yeah at this point, so
you know he's he's just a grizzled you know, one
legged pony making his way down the street, and he's
younger than the Bella Twins. But yeah, there's a couple
of matches that you mentioned now, because it's just in
a vacuum, they'll be good. But are they traveled and
sit in a giant fucking stadium and put up with
all the ship that they would put up with good?
I really well, I don't think so, But I mean,
I guess we should go through the actual matches himself.
Speaker 1: He sure, Let's start with Obam sorry, and I need
to clarify about OLMOTHEMI. I got some pushback. Apparently my
idea of thinking that Obafemi was a classy a classy
man outside of the ring, and inside of the ring
he was a savage was apparently wrong, and apparently I
was corrected on that that he's meant to be a
bone in the nose spear chucking Zulu warrior as he
was in that, which.
Speaker 2: Is they totally would be doing that in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: Yes, so I was wrong. I apologize. I did not
realize that when he was wearing three piece suits that
it was I was the one that didn't see him
for what he was. So I apologize to the podcasting
community for that.
Speaker 2: Well, when we were talking about this before, man, one
of the biggest problems is with the Obafemi character and
where you end up with these confusions, which let's call
it what it is. It's not confusion. For a lot
of people. It is just like a prejudice where they
see a black dude with an accent and that's where
their mind goes. There's oh yeah, true, but nothing nice.
Let's put it that way. Nothing nice. They're not perceiving
it that's like, there's a classy, smart business man. Because
you know.
Speaker 1: It's weird for me to anyways, because wrestling has evolved
in its own way that we don't think about those
old timey characters. Dude, if somebody showed up with block
shoes and a samurai jacket on and be like, what
the fuck is this? Like people don't do that, it's
ironically right, Like shouldn't Sky Nakamora doing that ironically was
kind of a throwback to it. But somebody actually doing
it and meaning to be that character, that would be
fucking weird.
Speaker 2: That would genuinely be weird. You're right, it would be weird,
not only just because of the obvious data racial implications
of it, but there's also just this point where you go, yeah,
no one looks like that, no one's acting like that, right,
You're like, we have a enough exposure to the world where,
like the Internet has existed long enough where unless you're
just like a complete fucking dolt, You're like, yeah, Japanese
people just walk around dressed like in shorts and fucking
shirts and ship you're not You're not some stupid fucking
dumbass that you're just like, Oh, well, they're not just
like in kimonos all day doing doing karate kicks like oh.
Speaker 1: Oba Femi was angry in NXT, didn't you know? Yeah,
I know that. I didn't think he was a fucking
Zulu warrior from it.
Speaker 2: No, because you're not an fucking idiot, you know. But
this is also where WWE, this is where the this
is where their shortcomings come right where there shouldn't be
this confusion as to who or what he is, or
what his intentions are, or the type of person or
character that he is, to where it's it becomes even
the people that are watching it to choose your own
adventure bullshit show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I because I blame the people on this one, Joe.
I know we hate to fucking side with WWE on
this ship, but I gotta give WWEE their defense on
this one. Joe. You're talking about a company that literally
has twenty four to seven levels of information being pumped
out by the machine at all fucking times. They have podcasts,
they have YouTube shows, they have their own shows, they
have a network, they have stuff on Netflix, on ESPN.
There is enough information being pumped out now and people
still get it wrong. Then in the eighties when a
dude went out there with a single it and we
all know who the fuck he was, Like, nobody made
a mistake. Oh that's Andre the Giant. What is he?
He's giant? Oh that's awesome.
Speaker 2: Like he's a giant, he's a Frenchman. He has a
manager that's a Weasley.
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying is we only got exposure,
minute levels of exposure back in the eighties to the
depth of who Andre the Giant was, And today like
Oba Femi's doing a three hour podcast and it's like
and you still don't recognize his character. I gotta fault
people for that one a little bit, a little bit.
Speaker 2: Well, we also have to remember that we have lost
we have lost like universal signs of what a good
person is, that a bad person is or what is
this person's personality? We can't tell anymore like that, whatever
it might be, maybe it's the Internet, maybe it's the
subjectivity that we've allowed to be interjected into every single
conversation to the point that it's nonsensical. But you look
at a guy once again, like oh, but it's like
he's been on television now for WWE Main Roster Television
for like six months or so cover take right, we
still don't fucking know anything about him her what they've
told us other than he is obah Femi, he is
the Rula and I am going to kill you, brock listener,
and I am going to murder you. And you're like,
all right, well, anything else? You got anything else to
tell me about this guy? Like where where's he actually from?
Not just like we're going to announce him before he
gets Like what's he from? How did he end up
in ww WEE? Why does he want to be a wrestler?
Why is he calling himself the ruler? Why should other
people call him the ruler? They are treating the booking
of their pro wrestlers the same way that like a
sleazy fucking music producer would make a boy band in
the nineties, where I was like, we're gonna take five
different fucking guys and you know, whichever one you like,
that's him, whatever you like, You're like, you're like, oh,
I like this one that's a bad bully, or like
I like him he seems kind of shay, Like that's
what they want you to do. They want you to
do all the work for them.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't I don't know about that, because you
know what, it's everybody else's fault for not following every
match that Obafemi's ever done. Like you don't follow his Twitter, well,
then of course you don't know who the character is.
You're not following him on Instagram, you're not following him
on YouTube, you're not watching his sit down interviews with
Stephanie McMahon, you're not listening to his his high school
play readings like these are all your fault, that's what
I hear. I hear your fault, Shoe. That's the problem
here is that's you know, the fans, they just don't
do enough.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's that's really what it is. And I know
Triple H was saying that that it's that it's clearly
the fault of the fans, yeah, for not just loving
the show.
Speaker 1: Right of course, what is what is.
Speaker 2: Wrong with these people? We're making a thing, give us
all your money.
Speaker 1: Not enough. I think that's the problem is WWE needs
more content, and I think you know what, maybe the
start of it is, you know WWE Radio, We do
have WWE TV. Maybe we can figure out something else, right,
like maybe like WWE Public Transit, like wherever you go.
They just they just play old Roman reigns and Seth
Rollins promos on your way to work to really get
you pumped up for the day.
Speaker 2: They're gonna start competing with the fucking local bush bus lines.
They just make those Dan House and ice cream trucks
into fucking buses and they just drive around.
Speaker 1: Seena's right. Seth Rollins elevator music. Yeah, seth Rollins sings
the hits on your favorite elevators. Great.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just absolutely positively despise the fact
that now we've gotten to this point, whether it's triplets shit,
but the way that a few talking oh well, you know,
I just wish that the fans would apply their effort
that they have to dissecting the stories into being invested
in the characters or whatever the fuck it is. And
it's like, that's your job, you fucking idiot. You're supposed
to make the characters interesting. We're not supposed to go, whoa,
I'll go far to make the characters into a thing.
In my mind. What do you get?
Speaker 1: It's because I think that you've hit the nail on
this head before too. It's the coddle nature of Triple
h's management that has created this empty pitfall. It's the
fact that, oh, just go out there and have fun,
guys kind of mentality that has really given us some
lackluster creativity as far as character work, promos, and storylines go,
Whereas Vince made people afraid to sit the fuck down.
I'm not saying that Vince is a good guy, but
I am saying that Vince might have been a good manager.
He brought He beat the children, Joe, He beat the
children until they fucking learned, and apparently it worked for
at least forty years. And she just wants to hug
the children. That's all he wants to do.
Speaker 2: Well. And this is the problem, dude, is I don't
even know if it's like he's just trying to make
his own hug box and on them. Yes, don't forget
thank you, Anne, I guess make sure we know he
was pooping on He's an event just sitting there. He's like,
great promo out there. Can I shot on you later?
Speaker 1: No, I can either yell at you for that ship
or I could just shot on you. Which one you want.
Speaker 2: And the funny thing is there's probably some people that
are like, I'll take I'll I'll take the ladder. I'll
be all right. What can I hold my nose? Is
that all right? Uh? No, it is? It is. I
don't even know if it's Triple H wanting to be
the liked guy, which for years I've contemplated, that might
just be the thing.
Speaker 1: It works, but that's the thing though, is still on
Vince McMahon's Terror Terror Brigade. It worked for a while
when Vince McMahon was finally out. We had a good
year and a half of Triple H running the show.
That everything was good because they were still they were
still recovering from all the Vince fear, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 2: Like mole morale was through the roof.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, they were so happy.
Speaker 2: They escaped, you know, at their unicorn horns fell off too,
all of.
Speaker 1: Them, all of it right, And then people got comfortable
and then fucking and then Ari Emanuel said, you know what,
these guys are getting paid too much to be this happy.
Let's cut their paid raph and Triple.
Speaker 2: H is like, guys, guys, uh, I hate to.
Speaker 1: Tell you, but and now he was like Dave Meltzer
or something, but you know, I know you guys are
making so much money, now you're gonna only make half
if you want to say, here on the company, and
and rightfully, all these people like, but you love us,
you you gave me the funny hug, Like what are
you doing? Why Why am I losing half my paycheck
in order to stay here? Because we're just not being
creative enough to sell out these shows because the company
needs more money, and since we can't find new new
ways to etch sponsorship deals on shit, we're just gonna
have to take the money directly from you.
Speaker 2: Because we because we sold out to a company where
instead of their motto being let's put on a good
show and make a lot of money, it's exponential growth.
The only thing that matters is exponential growth.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: Where can we just keep putting more and more and
more and more money in our pockets? Well, everything else
gets shittier and shittier. But I also think, like I don't,
I don't believe fully did that that's what it is
with Triple H. As much as like him wanting to
be liked or the fun guy or the cool guy
or whatever the fuck it is, I really believe it
is the corpo fucking entitlement of like, how dare these
fucking peasants want something for their money?
Speaker 1: On Monday Night? Raw, He's still taking photos with people
when they come back from their matches. He's still hugging
everybody that comes through the fucking thing that comes back
into the gorilla position.
Speaker 2: And to some extent, And I really I'm dead serious
about this too. The boys need to stop doing that.
Speaker 1: Stop doing it well to Conn will give me hugs,
Tony Conn'll give me hogs and he'll pay me money. Uh,
I can give you hugs. Uh, Like, that's the fuck?
Speaker 2: What's the exchange rate on hugs from Saudi Arabia?
Speaker 1: Tony Kahan gives you one hug and one hundred thousand dollars,
I'll give you two hugs.
Speaker 2: Ooh, I'll give you two hugs and you go to
work way way more.
Speaker 1: I really do think you're right. I think it is
a mix of both though, as opposed to just one
side or the other. But you're talking about a guy
who still celebrates every single wrestling match that happens on
his TV, good, bad, or indifferent. I mean, what would
have happened back in the day, Joe if somebody had
a truly awful what would have happened back in the
day if that fucking Dan Housen Joe Hendry segment went
off and they went in the back and looked to
Hug Vince McMahon.
Speaker 2: This would have squeezed him like a fucking what was it,
Lenny or Lenny, he would have squeezed. Yes, killed them,
killed them via Hug. Yeah, there is there is so
much with the god just the middle management bullshit of
Triple Ah. The obvious like him doing it. He's gotta
stop doing these interviews. I get it, because it's supposed
to be where we're all supposed to buy that. He's
you know, he's Triple H. He's the legend, he's the legend,
and he's the face of WWE. But because he is
just a toxic, pompous, fucking cunt, he makes himself sound
worse and the company sound horrible. Yeah, every time he
does these fucking interviews.
Speaker 1: Its remember Covid, Yeah, remember Covid When Roman Reigns wasn't
going to wrestle because of his blood issues and he
was just asked a simple question and he's stammered. He's
stammered for like a good five minutes on how to
try and explain that Roman Reigns might not be at WrestleMania.
And it's hilarious because he.
Speaker 2: Can't just say because he has blood cancer and it
could make him really sick from COVID and these are
the reasons why he can't say it.
Speaker 1: Well, he was also terrified of using the word COVID
because they didn't want to associate WWE with COVID at all,
even though they were having everybody watch the show via
satellite in the actual arena.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just well, what made that even more
absurd as you think of it, You go, he's so
worried that someone's going to say, well, then you shouldn't
even have the show in general, or why are you
guys getting away with doing it, which, by the way,
all of which were real valid points. They were in Florida.
Florida was the fucking wild wild West. It still is.
They don't give a fuck. No, they truly do not care.
So to some extent, he could have said, yeah, we're
running the show, and it'd be like, specifically for Roman,
who is immunocomprom this is not a good choice for
him to show up at the show. And like I said,
I don't even that.
Speaker 1: Was the time. You gotta remember during COVID too, there
was half the people that said, oh, COVID's not real, Hey,
no such thing as COVID. So Triple H was, but
he couldn't navigate that minefield anyways. I would think that
a halfway competent talker, I guess I mean a Jim Cornett,
I think would have been fine with something like that.
Paul Hayman would have been fine with something like that.
There's plenty of other people in the company that could
have done that interview about fucking Roman and COVID that
wouldn't have stammered their way through it and probably gotten
praised afterwards. Triple H has never been this big promo guy,
and I get that. There's a lot of praise and
respect for his career, and rightfully so in a lot
of ways. I know there's a lot of people that
hate his career. He booked himself to the top, and
there's obviously credence to that too. I think there was
enough of the character. There was enough during the d
X days. His work with Sean was hilarious and fun
to watch. Individual stuff with him and Stephanie were great,
Like there are moments in Triple Ah's career that I
remember back fondly as a fan, and I think that
there was a lot of great moments that he's had. However,
that doesn't immediately make him a good face of the company.
If he still wants to be the guy in the
back hugging everyone and telling them, like as like the
head coach, what a good job they did. Let him
be that. Find somebody else. Matter of fact, why on
the fuck is in Stephanie McMahon the face of the company.
Clearly she's involved with the company. Still, why is it
Nick Conn? Although I think Nick Conn has got to
be tearing his hair out because I'm sure fucking Ari
Emmanuel and the rest of TKO are just like, uh so,
what else are you doing for us for money? What
other ways you're gonna find money for us? So Nick
Conn has got to be like one stage away from
a heart attack. You know, he's.
Speaker 2: He's he's looking at it, going, God, damn it, I
have how much money? Like, I wouldn't be shocked if
in year or two, I'm assuming that they just don't
tell it to the Saudis, which I'm still it's fairly
convinced that's what's gonna happen in Wrestlata this year. But
he might just say, em, I'm good, Yeah, I need
to be doing this anymore. I've made more than enough money.
He'll be into his fifties by that point. Which if
you're fifty five years old and have like one hundred
million dollars, why are you going to work? Cut it out?
You could fucking die tomorrow, dude. Like, it's like you're
not twenty five years old anymore. Shit happens, you know,
Like you might as well just be like, maybe I
should take my one hundred million dollars and go enjoy
my life, which whether it goes on for another ten
or twenty or thirty years, I should probably go have
some fun, you know. But it's just it's very it's
very strange to me that Triple Ah comes up with
new ways to make himself look like shit to make
the com and he looks like complete shit.
Speaker 1: But that's the funing is. He's not Press Joe. He
went out there confidently thinking this is a good way
to tell people to relax and have a good time.
It's endearing, right people. Yeah, that's only when I when
I tell them that chill the fuck out.
Speaker 2: Okay, someone needs to show Triple H Tom Segurora, just
show him that. I'd be like, listen, if you don't
like WWEE, it's because you're lazy, so your mindset is bad.
Speaker 1: Bill burmelt down after fucking SORDI.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, this is what you sound like. You
hear that, that's you. That's you. That's how you're coming off.
And I must say, too, who is not helping Triple
H unintentionally? Like just it's not on him at all
because he's doing his own thing. But every single time
I hear John Cena speak, I go, there's there's so
few people that can do this. There's so few people
that have the skill that he has and the ability
to connect with people and listen and have the right
answer and approach things from a positive way and not
be afraid of like oh I'm gonna look this way
or like what about me? Blah blah blah blah blah.
He moves with such confidence and conviction that you see that,
and then you see Triple H go on a show
and do it. I don't know why these fucking idiots
don't just like their pig vomits do you want to
see your pig vomit idiots?
Speaker 1: Like I think it's because Sina has had enough training
outside of WWE, where Triple H hasn't. I know, Triple
He's also a good big movies like The Chaperona, But
John Cena has, I mean, he was a what a
fucking ambassador between US and China, Like you have to
be socially aware if you can convey messages in multiple
languages and still be liked universally, like John Sena's on
a different level as far as just a conversation goes.
When he was talking about the Vince McMahon stuff, I was,
and I know, we go back and we kind of
ripped on him for not being able to take a
side or not being able to say anything forward. But
in hindsight you look back and you're like, Wow, he
navigated that whole thing without without shitting on anyone, and
I'll know pun intended and he got away with it
without the media crucifying him too. So John Cena is experienced,
and once upon a time I thought that, you know,
the only other person that was a better talker than
John Cena when it came to the public was the
Rock and yeah, that's kind of changed over the years.
And who knows, maybe seen the time will come, maybe
he's maybe Seena'll hit the big five to five or
something and he'll just go, ah, fuck all those these
uh Jesus, pick a race. I don't know, like you.
Speaker 2: Know, see, you better not put a Cramer moment on Sina.
I don't want to hear none of that. Yeah, yeah,
I like seeing him more now than I ever liked
him as a wrestler, honest to God like now looking at.
Speaker 1: Him because there's no interview, there's there's no value to
him anymore. There's no okay, maybe value is the wrong word.
There's no consequences of John Cena anymore.
Speaker 2: That's sair.
Speaker 1: He's not being pushed in the Roman reign slot. You know,
who knows Joe here, maybe Roman reigns when this is
all over, you know, give him ten years away from
the company, maybe he'll become a Paul Hamon level talker.
Maybe he'll know he won't.
Speaker 2: No, no, sir, I'm not gonna allow that level of
bind optim occasion, all right, that ain't that ain't gonna happen,
you know what. Honest to fucking God like it's always
the you gotta see something, something's got to get way
worse before you realize what you had before. And that's
really what it is with with Roman and Sina, is
honest to God, like it's like, you know what, the
three thousandth match, or if you're having a brightly colored fucking
shirt screaming spots at a guy and then winning in
seven minutes, I'll still take that over fucking Roman reigns.
At least John Cina ran to the fucking rings. Jesus right, yeah.
Speaker 1: Hey, let's get through night one. Uh, we've got to
Live Morgan versus Eo Sky singles match for the Women's
World Championship.
Speaker 2: Joe who cares? Uh, it's EO retains, right, So that
Wayverquel and they can start telling the story. Oh I
forgot my bed EO wins. Yeah, that's how much I
give a fuck about that woman's title right now? All right?
So EO wins it. So that way Live can start
a storyline about having some sort of jealousy torch for
cal Is that the is that the way of presenting this? No?
Speaker 1: I think I think hold onto it. I mean, what
else are they gonna do?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: I think I think live little Little Love lit hold on.
She was just talking about something in an interview too.
I'm gonna hold it a thousand days, oh, I mean she.
Speaker 2: Roman, Yeah, sure, Livy have fun. I I mean considering.
I just completely forgot always a good sign for for
me and for her. I yea, that's fine.
Speaker 1: We got uh Oba Simba versus brock Lesnar.
Speaker 2: I don't Yeah, I don't know as will Oba be
able to according to some of the people in the audience,
will even be able to get into the cage, just
even know what a cage is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could just chew on that for a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, just yeah, nothing weird about people put whatever.
Uh If Oba doesn't win this, what the fuck are
we doing with ourselves? I mean, truly, if this is
supposed to.
Speaker 1: Be, I don't think seems to win. I think Oba's
shown himself to be such shit lately. My entire view
on this, I want Brock to win now. I want
to I want Brock to win. I'm already fucking ready
to just bail on Hoba. Femi. The way this character
is so wishy, washy and so weak looking, and the
only way he gets over is by screaming big words
but the simplest things just to feed him. It's just
it's he looks weak and pounding on little fucking NXT
kids every week is just not doing it for me.
Speaker 2: And I'm not crazy about I'm not crazy about that
be and his thing, and so you're right, he just
beats up a bunch of fucking security guards and shit,
did did they just completely forget? I know that I
say this a thousand times a week at this point,
but did they just completely forget what a baby face
and a heel is on every level to where it's like, well,
Obah's big and tough, so the best way to show
he's big and tough is to bully smaller people like
huh wait, do you guys do you guys even like,
do you guys even remember watching Nickelodeon? Like what?
Speaker 3: Who?
Speaker 2: Who is writing this? Where you're like, all right, so
here's the thing. We want to take the six foot five,
three hundred pound guy that's supposed to be scary and
imposing but also at his heart a good natured guy
who is trying his best and wants to overcome this
other guy. Why don't we have him? Looks at paper
mutilate one hundred and fifty pound guys constantly that are
that are just hanging around. Should we just do that?
It was like, it is so fucking idiotic, and you
probably and honestly, I could see at this point too,
Brock's at his house, you know, technically he's in his hometown. Right,
this is Brock's house. He could come out get a
huge ovation. Oba could get his Oba chant with his
Oba dance. Right, there's Oba arms and he comes out
and the people loved you in the little song and
dance because now it's a karaoke show anyways, And then
when the match starts happening, they could turn on him
and start charing for Brock. It's a real possibility.
Speaker 1: I mean, he is in Minnesota too, Like that's.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying. Yeah, there's a real possibility that they've
already fucking they've fucked Oba up to the point where
he's just an entrance. And if you put him in
there against a guy like Brock, who they've actually you know,
done something with and you has had character work and
a relationship with the audience for thirty years or whatever. Yeah, yeah,
I could see him getting cheered in this match and
Noba getting booed.
Speaker 1: Don Seen is right. I think you can give Oba
Dan Housen his manager. Uh, I think that'll help.
Speaker 2: Maybe he should just start beating the shit out of
him and then go I am a baby face, I
am a good guy.
Speaker 1: I'm tired of already. Man, I fucking hate it. I
really liked the guy coming out there. He had fucking
great energy. I thought that it was gonna be a
breath of fresh air. He gave me Bobby Lashley vibes.
A little bit, he gave me some Bobby Lashley vibes.
Speaker 2: And now they're treating he gave you Bobby Lashley vibes.
And now, unfortunately, it looks like it's heading in the
trajectory of Bobby Lashley's first push, which was look at
this big, giant, intimidating, tough guy, and then eventually they
just completely abandoned ship. And six months time and.
Speaker 1: Brock Brock is losing. Brock wants to get the fuck out.
I think Brock can win and still get the fuck out.
Wins and the leaves wins and leaves. Yeah, I'm leaving goodnight. Yeah,
I'll show up at WrestleMania for that last paycheck. Thanks.
Speaker 2: Oh. He's like, I don't know if I want to
fly to Saudi Arabia. What's the WrestleMania after that? And
they're like, probably Saudi Arabia again, and he's like a ship,
all right, I guess I'll let's do this one. Uh man, Yeah,
I don't even know. I'm gonna just pick oh. But
just because I want to assume that the company is
going to feign wanting to build stars. That's my glass
half vault right there.
Speaker 1: Cool? Uh seam Punk versus Cody Rhodes singles match for
the w w E Championship.
Speaker 2: Punk probably, I assume Punk retains.
Speaker 1: Of course, there's no reason for Cody to win.
Speaker 2: No, that's it. That'll be a good match. I mean
that's really That's all there is to really say about it.
I mean, truly, it's just you have these two guys.
They're both baby faces. At least for now, I'll just
talk about turning Cody. I'm like, well, once again, we
have a show where that doesn't matter. So you can
just show up one day and be a complete repugnant
asshole to people and then you'll get cheered by eighty
percent of the audience. Anyways, so what are we turning?
By the way, if you we're at the point where
you could say, hey, we're going to turn Cody full
heel and he comes out smoking the garden and people
start cheering him. So it doesn't even fucking matter with
this dip shit audience that's watching it half the time.
Speaker 1: Anyways, that's their fault, Joe. WWE gives them enough information.
You can buy the WWF magazine, Joe. They have WWF
WWE T Radio, WWF cards too. Fuck guys, Jesus.
Speaker 2: I heard that if at this point, if you go
into the Asian Food go to the Super eight market,
they sell fortune cookies full of w W ree would yet, Yeah,
you open them and next where you learn out new
information about the people that they brought up from NXT
that they didn't bother giving you television time for. Uh yeah,
I assume Punk is going to retain. This just seems
pretty pretty basic, right La. It's not even the main
event either.
Speaker 1: So solo Royce versus Jacob Jay and Jimmy six man
tag match.
Speaker 2: Only a fool, Only a fool would take La Knight's
team in this match. I'm just saying, only a fool
would do that because clearly the audience doesn't really know
who the fuck Royce Keys is. Look another guy that
just randomly showed up that they've told you almost nothing
about and developed no character, but expect you to cheer. Obviously,
Solo is doing a good job. Solo's doing good work,
but no good deed goes on punish. And another testament
to that is, of course, at late night, Jay Uso
will come out still doing his wave your hands in
the air like you just don't care act, and the
people will react to that. I don't know, I'm just
the safe bet in this match, is the USO's I
believe right, USO's in Jacob. Yeah, it seems pretty obvious.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: I mean, it would be nice. It'd be nice if
if Solo Sekoa got to pin Jimmy or something. But
do I think it's gonna happen. No, probably not.
Speaker 1: You know, got uh Gunther versus all this singles match.
I guess Gunther's retiring Nick all this because Nicholas is
turning sixty nine in February, so they want to get
him home. They want to get him home before you know,
he starts slipping of mind. So yeah, guns gun. There's
going to be his last match. I think it's his
retirement match for nick All this.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I know the way that they're talking about
Nick All this where it's like once again, I don't've
beating a stroke to death. But it's like when they
talk about NBA players and they're like this thirty two
year old veteran, time to send him out to pasture
this elderly man, he's almost done. He can't play the
basket hoops anymore. He's almost thirty three. This is ridiculous.
Uh yeah, that's That's the funny thing in this is
that is almost the presentation where it's you know, he's
only going to get this one big shot and uh,
you know, will he ever be able to do it?
And it's like he's not gonna beat Dunk. I mean,
we all fucking pretty much know that to be true.
Speaker 1: But honest, honestly, can I be honest I think that
this is going to be the surprise. I think, yeah,
this might win it. Yeah, I don't know this. I
have this feeling like that's the narrative that's being pushed,
is that for some reason, all this is really old
and like not not ready to step into a wrestling
ring again at his age, and I'm thinking that this
is going to be that moment where, you know, Nick
All this proves himself, shows up a lot of people,
me even shows up Gunther a little bit. You know
what I mean?
Speaker 2: I think that is that how All this gets kind
of his job back, or wins his position back in
the company as a wrestler. As he said, they say,
we listen, we're gonna fire you as a GM because
you aren't acting right. But you can't come in here
and have one wrestling match and beat Gunther and then
we let you walk out the door, right, you know?
I don't know, man, It's tough because you could really
build him as a babyface in one night through having
the right match and the right way against Gunther and
really really give us all and still not come out
on top. Or you can do that same exact match
and then Gunther fucking slips up. You catch him slip
and being arrogant and fucking all this gets him and
you also tell a great story, right, I mean, it
really does come down to, I guess who are you
putting over for heels and baby face in your other
main event matches where like I said, Oba and fucking Brock,
where you're in this position where it's like, who's the
crowd actually gonna cheer? So even if you put Oba
over in the crowd, maybe the people aren't gonna lead
super happy about that, or maybe someone will who knows.
But I don't think Gunter loses anything in this situation
by getting pinned by all this. This isn't him tapping
out to jay Uso in his lime green pleathor outfit
like Nick Aldos actually looks like a grown ass man
that could hurt someone. So it's not sad, do you
know what I mean? And it also in a way
kind of adds to Gunter's whole thing because or to
his story and his character where he's lost so few
matches to so few people that to him the idea
of oh so all this comes out of retirement. I mean,
he's a GM and he beat you, Like you're walking
around here talking ship and you got beat by the
fucking guy who was a GEM. But that that almost
helps his character a little bit too, uh, I mean
this could really Honestly, it seems crazy because I started
out thinking to myself, it has to be Gune there.
But now I kind of feel like I can go
either way. I'm you know, I'm gonna go with the
dark horse. I'm gonna go with all this. Okay, let's yeah,
let's live dangerously, dude, live muss.
Speaker 1: You know you have the main events, the Bellots wins
Nikki Bella and Brie Bella and Page bell the fatal
influence of j C. Jane, Laney Reid, and fallon Henry
six women tag?
Speaker 2: Why is this on the Summer Slam Guard? I mean,
like not even being not I'm not trying to be cheeky,
but like, why is this on the Summer Slam Guard?
Speaker 1: Jacy Jane?
Speaker 2: Is this what happens when we don't have Is this
what we have when we don't have Rya? Because we
have to put the ballas back out there again against
three girls that were just in developmental like five minutes ago.
Is this what we end up in the position of.
Speaker 1: I think I think he's right though, fatal Influence wins
and the ballots turn on Page Yes.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that you know what That's what I think
everybody's waiting for. Is that? Is that Page versus the
bell is two on one jumping, leading leading to some
real great stories. You know, what you got to do
is if they have any faith whatsoever in Page being
able to have matches that involve more than like bulldogs
and fucking bag of popcorn punches, they got to get
her the fuck away from the Bellis Twins and move
her on to other.
Speaker 1: People like Oh boy, I don't know when Page first
signed Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: I'm at I'm at the point where I give such
little issue it because clearly they don't care either. Where
I'm good with like Rhya coming back from injury and
just being a heel that fucking beats the shit out
of everybody. Yeah, sure, I'd be plenty happy with that.
Would it be great for T shirt sales? Maybe? Would
it help their standing? As far as like her being
a role model for little girls? I don't even think
it fucking matters anymore, because who cares?
Speaker 1: Just like, pretty sure there's not so many little girls
watching this anymore. Pretty sure those days are really getting
behind us.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, they're saying, hey, little girls, you want to
come watch fucking Dan Housend and Joe Hendry And they're like, no,
I think I'll just I think I'll just sit over here.
Speaker 1: Isn't that kind of the funniest thing about this is
that the way that the WWE product has been booked,
and even AW two a point too, but mostly WWE
has become so political, so sacri in, so corporate that
any type of cool factor that any of these people
had is just fading away. It's bleeding away at this point.
So the idea of these women getting showcase for the
show for the company and stuff like that, well, once
upon a time was part of the cool factor. Ria
Ripley was part of the cool factor. You know, Sky
part of the cool factor. Charlotte Flair, Bailey Becky, et cetera,
et cetera. Like there were different levels, is a j
Lee and Page even you know, I don't know about
the Bells, but apparently they got people that like them too.
But I mean, the cool factor is gone for the women.
It just feels like it. It feels like the cool
factor is gone from the entire company.
Speaker 2: I'm really I'm really stuck with the idea of looking
at this and saying, oh, no, mish because there's always
this woman and now, I mean, yeah.
Speaker 1: Let's think about it.
Speaker 2: Who is the lays.
Speaker 1: Big fucking needle mover that they brought in Jade Cargell.
Speaker 2: Well, and this is what kills me about Roxy and Libra,
which I always go back to as why do you
present these two women the way that you do. Those
are big sister wrestlers, do you know what I mean? Like,
those are the perfect wrestler for if you had a
six year old daughter that you were watching wrestling with,
they'd looking to go. I like them. I like them
because they remind me of the fucking my babysitter, the
girl that fucking is a camp counselor the girl down
the street. Like that's who they are.
Speaker 1: Roxy is a brawser, stunt up. Low dude, come on, like,
let's just let's let's let's be honest on that one, Rocky.
Speaker 2: That's a terrible man. Are you saying are you saying, listen,
she ain't getting stuck in the dryer. She's not big enough.
She well right out that dryer. He's like, help me,
step ro I'm stuck in the dryer. He's like, wown't
you just back back out of it. You're fine, You're
really small. You could just.
Speaker 1: Or maybe she could stuck in the dryer, Joe. Maybe
it's actually Roxy fully in the dryer, that she.
Speaker 2: Crawled all the wayway. Yes, she's stuck in the pipe
in the back of the dryer. Mhm. Is that the
is that the the David Lynch ending, Like if David
Lynch wrote for Brasers, that's what you do would be like.
And then she was stuck inside the pipe in the dryer.
Speaker 1: You know, you just hear and then the screen goes
to black.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dune stop and then that's it. That's the end
of the well. No, they there, they had Bianca. Now
Bonca's gone, huh Rhea's out now with an injury, barely
got years. Was like the cut, see like hug the
hug the girls be the the now with me was.
Speaker 1: Their other great white hope. And Tiffany's kind of falling
off the wagon too, but their next great white hope.
And she's going to kill somebody if she doesn't kill herself.
Speaker 2: I mean. But so Ruka and Tiffany you can both tell.
And I'm not saying that they're me and women. I
don't know them, but the vibe is not the same.
It's not a j Lee, it's not the uh, it's
not Bianca like they they don't give off the feel
of like this is it. Yeah, nothing more relatable than Maxine,
elastic face, twenty eight year old girl.
Speaker 1: She's a lot of these TikTok girls though, Oh hooray.
Speaker 2: That'll really that's something different right now. Yeah. Well, but
that's what I'm saying is like that that whole genre
of women's wrestler has completely fallen off a cliff and
it's because of bad writing, bad booking, and them choosing
to fight the fucking currents on people that you look
at and they go, they look like this, this is
their personality. Let's play into that. And they say, how
about we uh flip it and reverse it and go
to opposite land. But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, let's get ready to wrap it up and get
out here. We'll cover night to tomorrow. We got a
bunch of other news to talk about it as well. Be
a Frank and Guss will put that up on the
main feet as well to do that. But yeah, because
we've got tomorrow and then we've got Saturday and Sunday,
So that's gonna be another six hours with John Draper,
everybody from Spitball Media. They'll be joining for at least
one of the Smack or Smack Down, Summer Slam nights,
maybe even smack Down.
Speaker 2: It's basically SmackDown. Come on, SmackDown too. Yeah, let you
wait a second, are we? Is he coming for SmackDown
Night three.
Speaker 1: SmackDown, SmackDown Raw Aftermath like yeah, sure, all.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, SmackDown three the same thing as Spider Man three.
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