WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:08.039 Sound Van McMahon Van McMahon. That is Dan old Land, 2 00:00:08.800 --> 00:00:12.679 Texas flood as big as mud. He's a man man, 3 00:00:15.119 --> 00:00:19.440 Van McMahon, Van McMahon, deepn man. 4 00:00:27.039 --> 00:00:30.559 Good day to have our guy on the show Tuesday afternoon. 5 00:00:30.719 --> 00:00:31.960 An old friend is in town. 6 00:00:32.039 --> 00:00:34.280 Quinn Snyder and the Atlanta Hawks are here to take 7 00:00:34.359 --> 00:00:38.600 on the Utah Jazz and Van McMahon himself, Tim McMahon 8 00:00:38.799 --> 00:00:40.479 the first hit in twenty twenty five. 9 00:00:40.759 --> 00:00:44.759 Timmy, Happy Tuesday. Are you doing, Hony Barterer, misteryear. 10 00:00:45.000 --> 00:00:47.479 Great to have you on. I'm on a daylight today. First, 11 00:00:47.560 --> 00:00:49.799 I just want to know your deepest and darkest secrets. 12 00:00:49.799 --> 00:00:51.960 What are the New Year's resolutions? And are we still 13 00:00:51.960 --> 00:00:52.399 on track? 14 00:00:54.439 --> 00:00:56.880 They're the same old and I'm already off track, So 15 00:00:57.679 --> 00:00:59.719 we'll see what we can do to get back on track. 16 00:01:00.159 --> 00:01:01.640 Makes two of us? Makes two of us? 17 00:01:01.679 --> 00:01:04.040 All right, weird, weird question. You're used to it right 18 00:01:04.040 --> 00:01:06.879 out of the gates here. How should How should jazz 19 00:01:06.920 --> 00:01:11.239 fans remember Quinn Snyder as he's in town here coaching 20 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:12.319 the Atlantaks tonight? 21 00:01:13.519 --> 00:01:16.480 I mean I think they should remember him fondly. He 22 00:01:16.560 --> 00:01:20.599 took over a total rebuild. You know, he helped build 23 00:01:20.640 --> 00:01:24.480 that franchise up to the point where we can debate 24 00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:28.239 the semantics of contender. But you know, a team that 25 00:01:28.480 --> 00:01:31.159 was at the number one seed, a perennial playoff team, 26 00:01:31.400 --> 00:01:34.799 you know, a very good team that just couldn't get 27 00:01:35.359 --> 00:01:38.560 over the hump. And then you know that the inding 28 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:42.120 wasn't the smoothest thing ever. But honestly, it was time. 29 00:01:42.239 --> 00:01:44.920 It was time for that chapter in jazz history to end. 30 00:01:45.480 --> 00:01:48.560 And it was going to end whether Quinn decided that 31 00:01:48.599 --> 00:01:53.280 he was leaving or not. So I think there should 32 00:01:53.319 --> 00:01:57.319 be nothing, but you know, but cheers for Quinn Snyder. 33 00:01:57.599 --> 00:01:59.879 I do have a confession. Have I told you the 34 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:02.439 Quinn Snyder Sally Jesse Rafael story? 35 00:02:02.799 --> 00:02:02.959 No? 36 00:02:03.040 --> 00:02:04.319 And now it's all I want to hear. 37 00:02:05.719 --> 00:02:08.680 Okay, So you know when I say Sally Jesse Rafael, 38 00:02:08.719 --> 00:02:12.960 do you know what I'm talking about? Okay? So, Quinn 39 00:02:13.039 --> 00:02:16.199 did not know that people referred to the Red Frames 40 00:02:16.240 --> 00:02:21.919 as a Sally Jesse Rafael until my big mouth flapped 41 00:02:21.960 --> 00:02:26.719 it to him in Vegas and he was mortified. This 42 00:02:26.800 --> 00:02:29.000 is at the NBA Cup. I saw Quinn in Vegas 43 00:02:29.039 --> 00:02:33.719 at the NBA Cup. You know, you know, Quinn, Yes, 44 00:02:34.840 --> 00:02:37.479 just shoot up and like oh my. He could not 45 00:02:37.639 --> 00:02:41.400 believe that it was something that was a discussion point, 46 00:02:41.960 --> 00:02:45.439 and he was like, he was like, you know, I 47 00:02:45.479 --> 00:02:49.120 don't want to do anything extra to bring attention to myself. 48 00:02:49.439 --> 00:02:51.319 I'm never going to wear those again. I was like, 49 00:02:51.360 --> 00:02:54.080 come on, Quinn, sure enough, he's been in the black 50 00:02:54.159 --> 00:02:57.960 frame since. I hope, I hope maybe he'll have he'll 51 00:02:58.039 --> 00:03:01.000 let it go. But some folks in the Hawks front 52 00:03:01.039 --> 00:03:03.639 office thought it was pretty hilarious, so of their PR staff, 53 00:03:03.639 --> 00:03:06.360 their PR staff, well, we helped to decide the next 54 00:03:06.439 --> 00:03:08.879 day and said, yeah, we've kind of made a conscious 55 00:03:08.879 --> 00:03:12.800 decision not to fill him in on that one. And sure, 56 00:03:12.960 --> 00:03:16.919 sure enough, I opened my mouth and so much for 57 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:18.719 the salary Jesse Rafiel. 58 00:03:18.759 --> 00:03:21.000 And knowing Quinn he will not let that go. 59 00:03:21.240 --> 00:03:24.759 Okay, I think, yeah, when when he didn't wear them, 60 00:03:25.039 --> 00:03:27.080 when he didn't wear him the next name, I was like, 61 00:03:27.199 --> 00:03:29.360 all right, then, I you know, I check in and 62 00:03:29.400 --> 00:03:31.560 I you know, obviously when I turned the Hawks on 63 00:03:31.639 --> 00:03:34.120 league pass, it's one of the first things I try 64 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:36.000 to see, is he in him? Is he in him? Hope? 65 00:03:36.039 --> 00:03:38.879 It's been those boring old black frames. And I'd like 66 00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:42.919 to apologize to the UH to be super nerdy and 67 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:45.960 be a fan who who notices that sort of thing, 68 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:47.800 because I think I screwed it up for everybody. 69 00:03:47.879 --> 00:03:50.479 That is hilarious because I was honestly wondering why he 70 00:03:50.560 --> 00:03:52.960 stopped wearing them and I did not know is because 71 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:55.560 you decided to openly mock him in front of people 72 00:03:55.639 --> 00:03:56.400 that he works with. 73 00:03:56.719 --> 00:03:57.159 That's great. 74 00:03:57.960 --> 00:04:01.159 I meant it as a as a you know, as 75 00:04:01.199 --> 00:04:07.319 a sarcastic compliment, but I truly did enjoy Besides Jesse roffeell. 76 00:04:08.240 --> 00:04:10.199 And I know the look, and mostly I know the 77 00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:13.080 look because I saw that look every time Andy Larson asked. 78 00:04:12.919 --> 00:04:13.439 Him a question. 79 00:04:15.360 --> 00:04:18.439 Andy is definitely familiar with the look that although there 80 00:04:18.519 --> 00:04:21.199 wasn't scorn for me, everyone's why and he would draw 81 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:24.079 some scorn. There wasn't scorn for me, but there was 82 00:04:24.120 --> 00:04:28.399 definitely he was shocked and not thrilled. 83 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:31.800 Yeah, I mean, I mean Will is pithy and sarcastic 84 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:35.920 and dismissive, but Quinn will look through your soul, and 85 00:04:36.360 --> 00:04:38.560 yes he will. There were nights where I'd be like, Andy, 86 00:04:38.600 --> 00:04:40.480 you might want to leave early, dude, I don't know 87 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:42.160 that you want to be walking on the street of 88 00:04:42.279 --> 00:04:45.720 Quinn's leaving I wonder if you've noticed any because I've 89 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:48.800 shared this anecdote several times and actually talked about it 90 00:04:48.839 --> 00:04:50.639 with frank Leyden a couple of weeks ago, who was 91 00:04:50.639 --> 00:04:51.199 on the show. 92 00:04:51.800 --> 00:04:54.600 When Quinn first took the job. I didn't know him well. 93 00:04:54.639 --> 00:04:58.000 And Hubie Brown, my guy. I was in town to call. 94 00:04:57.879 --> 00:05:00.560 A game, and I knew Hube a little bit, you know, 95 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:02.680 for just kind of being in the business or whatever, 96 00:05:02.959 --> 00:05:05.199 enough to say hello and ask him questions. And he's 97 00:05:05.199 --> 00:05:08.800 always very gracious. And I asked him about Quinn. I said, 98 00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:10.800 you know, I know it's early, it's his first year. 99 00:05:10.959 --> 00:05:14.000 Seems really sharp, really bright, really organized. You know, what 100 00:05:14.040 --> 00:05:16.839 do you think? And hub said to me, oh, he's great, 101 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:19.560 but he'll probably burn himself out in six or seven years. 102 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:22.120 And it took I think it took eight. I think 103 00:05:22.120 --> 00:05:24.319 it was eight full years on the bench. And look, 104 00:05:24.519 --> 00:05:27.439 there are several reasons why he elected to leave and 105 00:05:27.480 --> 00:05:30.160 take some time off. But you know, I'll exchange the 106 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:32.120 text with him here or there, but I don't see 107 00:05:32.199 --> 00:05:33.519 him and talk to him the way I used to. 108 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:37.319 Have you noticed any growth as he's taken on this 109 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:39.279 new opportunity, or do you feel like this is going 110 00:05:39.319 --> 00:05:41.759 to be another Like Quinn's going to burn the candle 111 00:05:41.800 --> 00:05:44.480 on both ends and maybe find something else to do 112 00:05:44.519 --> 00:05:44.959 in seven. 113 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:46.040 Or eight years. 114 00:05:46.480 --> 00:05:50.720 Yeah, honestly, man, I think that that Quinn only knows 115 00:05:50.759 --> 00:05:52.600 one way, and that way does not a glued to 116 00:05:52.600 --> 00:05:55.439 a lot of sleep, Like he's going to work around 117 00:05:55.480 --> 00:05:58.199 the clock. He's you know, Quinn's a maniac. Yeah, he's 118 00:05:58.240 --> 00:06:01.000 a maniac genius. And that's just the way that he's 119 00:06:01.040 --> 00:06:03.199 going to go about things. You know, Look, he took 120 00:06:03.240 --> 00:06:06.959 on a challenging job too. You know, if he had 121 00:06:07.000 --> 00:06:10.360 taken my advice, he probably would have waited and waited 122 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:13.279 out that summer and kind of been the had a 123 00:06:13.399 --> 00:06:16.800 choice of some gigs, but he took really the first 124 00:06:16.879 --> 00:06:18.879 job that came open. Remember that was a mid season 125 00:06:18.879 --> 00:06:21.920 and hiring in Atlanta, and I didn't see a whole 126 00:06:21.920 --> 00:06:23.839 lot of promise. I didn't see a whole lot of potential. 127 00:06:24.759 --> 00:06:28.600 To really the credit of the front office and to Quinn, 128 00:06:29.160 --> 00:06:32.240 they have put together a really nice young core, and 129 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:34.120 you know, I think this is where Quinn is kind 130 00:06:34.120 --> 00:06:38.399 of like just in his element when he's developing. You know, 131 00:06:38.480 --> 00:06:42.160 he's putting something together, he's building something up. They still 132 00:06:42.160 --> 00:06:45.920 have challenges in terms of future picks are being you know, 133 00:06:46.360 --> 00:06:49.639 out the door. But I think he's invigorated by being 134 00:06:49.639 --> 00:06:52.279 able to work with you know, Dyson Daniels. I mean, 135 00:06:52.319 --> 00:06:54.279 he was absolutely out of it. Hey, if we're making 136 00:06:54.279 --> 00:06:58.040 this trend, we have to get Dyson Daniels. Jalen Johnson, 137 00:06:58.079 --> 00:07:00.879 who you know, people are starting figure out, is really 138 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:03.680 one of the great young players in the league. You know, 139 00:07:04.519 --> 00:07:08.399 a couple other young guys on that roster, but you know, 140 00:07:09.160 --> 00:07:12.399 is Quinn going to be a guy who last won 141 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:16.120 place forever and ever? I'm not sure about that, but 142 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:19.480 I do think he's joined kind of the opportunity and 143 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:21.879 the challenges that he has right now with the Hawks. 144 00:07:22.160 --> 00:07:25.160 Systematically, is it kind of the same deal that he 145 00:07:25.240 --> 00:07:27.079 ran while he was here. I mean, obviously a lot 146 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:29.399 of it is catered towards the personnel you have, and 147 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:32.480 Trey Young is a ball in hand guy, unlike I mean, 148 00:07:32.519 --> 00:07:34.000 Donovan is certainly a ball in hand guy. 149 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:35.040 But they're different players. 150 00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:38.240 Is this team tonight you're gonna be running a system 151 00:07:38.279 --> 00:07:40.759 that Jazz fans aren't familiar with because it's quinn system, 152 00:07:40.800 --> 00:07:43.759 or is a little bit different based off the personnel you. 153 00:07:43.800 --> 00:07:48.120 Know, I think that Quinn's system is like the great 154 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:51.759 coaches don't fit players into their system. They fit a 155 00:07:51.800 --> 00:07:54.839 system around the talent that they have. Why were the 156 00:07:54.920 --> 00:07:58.199 Jazz such a heavy pick and roll team because that 157 00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:00.800 played to the strengths of the best players. You know, 158 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:03.319 that played to the strengths of not just Donovan Mitchell, 159 00:08:03.360 --> 00:08:07.399 but especially Rudy Gobert. You know, I think it is 160 00:08:07.480 --> 00:08:10.959 similar with the with the Hawks, just because Srey Young 161 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:13.519 is one of the best pick and roll playmakers in 162 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:16.959 the NBA. You know, the Capel is not the springy 163 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:18.879 guy that he used to be, but you know, he's 164 00:08:18.920 --> 00:08:22.000 still a capable finisher of congou those sort of things. 165 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:25.360 So I think there's similarities. But like I said, I 166 00:08:25.399 --> 00:08:28.800 don't think that Quinn would run the same system if 167 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:31.160 he was coaching thirty different teams. I think that he 168 00:08:31.199 --> 00:08:36.000 would certainly adapt and tweak and maybe even bring in 169 00:08:36.039 --> 00:08:40.159 completely new chapters of a playbook based on the circumstances. 170 00:08:40.279 --> 00:08:42.679 Yeah, now that's well said. Be interesting to kind of 171 00:08:42.679 --> 00:08:45.080 see how this rolls tonight. Now, the Jazz have been 172 00:08:45.480 --> 00:08:47.279 a little bit better as of late, and you know, 173 00:08:47.360 --> 00:08:50.799 the name and that's kind of really making the rounds 174 00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:53.399 because of a couple of games of just elite shot making. 175 00:08:53.399 --> 00:08:56.600 His Brice Sensiba and you know, they're sitting a lot 176 00:08:56.600 --> 00:08:59.039 of guys like we knew they would, and will tends 177 00:08:59.039 --> 00:09:02.600 to maximize whatever batalent he has at his disposal. They 178 00:09:02.639 --> 00:09:04.519 go down to Florida and they take care of a 179 00:09:04.559 --> 00:09:06.519 Heat team that's a little bit dysfunctional right now, and 180 00:09:06.559 --> 00:09:09.919 the Magic team, unfortunately, after that great start, just can't 181 00:09:10.000 --> 00:09:12.240 get healthy and it doesn't look like they'll be healthy 182 00:09:12.279 --> 00:09:12.799 for a while. 183 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:14.399 So no one's hanging banners. 184 00:09:14.440 --> 00:09:17.360 But Bryce is shot making over the past few games 185 00:09:17.399 --> 00:09:19.600 is something we haven't seen before. 186 00:09:19.720 --> 00:09:21.480 Is there a chance they may have found something? 187 00:09:21.600 --> 00:09:25.399 Because ultimately their walking line was to get back in 188 00:09:25.440 --> 00:09:26.960 to the end of the first round. Decide to make 189 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:29.639 that pick was because Bryce was available, and most of 190 00:09:29.639 --> 00:09:31.919 that is because he was an elite shot maker and 191 00:09:32.000 --> 00:09:36.039 scorer at Ohio State and it's taken some time to manifest. 192 00:09:36.080 --> 00:09:37.799 Could this be a player that maybe we haven't paid 193 00:09:37.879 --> 00:09:38.559 enough attention to. 194 00:09:39.559 --> 00:09:42.039 Well, first of all, you say, nobody's hanging banners, and 195 00:09:42.080 --> 00:09:46.639 if they take my encouragement, they will absolutely hang a 196 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:49.799 Florida State championship banner tonight. And halftime. 197 00:09:49.919 --> 00:09:52.440 Don't tempt us. Don't tempt us to listen. 198 00:09:53.519 --> 00:09:56.440 You earn that, by the way, that magic team that's 199 00:09:56.440 --> 00:09:59.200 completely gutted by injuries went up and won a Madison 200 00:09:59.240 --> 00:09:59.879 Square Garden. 201 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:01.000 Yeah they did last night. 202 00:10:01.039 --> 00:10:03.720 You so, But as far as since mug goes, look, 203 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:07.919 these young guys, at some time or another, they're all 204 00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:11.320 going to have significant opportunity. And obviously the Jazz are 205 00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:13.679 looking for guys who take advantage of that, looking for 206 00:10:13.799 --> 00:10:17.519 guys who pop. And you know, since a Bah clearly 207 00:10:17.919 --> 00:10:22.600 has been popping recently. And you know, as you mentioned 208 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:25.840 like his hope to be a you know, to have 209 00:10:25.919 --> 00:10:29.159 a nice, long, productive NBA career, he's got to be 210 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:34.320 a bucket like he's not a super dynamic athlete. He's not, 211 00:10:34.679 --> 00:10:37.320 you know, going to be some kind of lockdown defender, 212 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:40.600 you know, can he be a big time bucket getter. 213 00:10:40.799 --> 00:10:44.399 And it's flashes. But that's what you want to see 214 00:10:44.440 --> 00:10:46.440 from these young guys. You want to see flashes, and 215 00:10:46.480 --> 00:10:48.919 then you want to see those flashes kind of forming 216 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:53.039 a consistency. Uh So, you know step one is the flashes. 217 00:10:53.080 --> 00:10:55.720 And he's had some big time scoring performances lately. 218 00:10:55.960 --> 00:10:57.120 Yeah, and he's a pure shooter. 219 00:10:57.240 --> 00:10:59.320 When he can get a shot off if the defense 220 00:10:59.399 --> 00:11:02.200 isn't paying aten to him, I mean, he really does 221 00:11:02.960 --> 00:11:05.799 have a chance to get buckets and score points, which 222 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:07.759 is he he has over the past couple of games. 223 00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:10.000 And we'll see who they play tonight. We'll see who 224 00:11:10.039 --> 00:11:12.600 the Jazz elected to play moving forward. But one of 225 00:11:12.679 --> 00:11:15.960 the things that we continue to monitor here. Anytime somebody 226 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:19.200 over at your spot at ESPN or the Athletic or 227 00:11:19.480 --> 00:11:22.080 whatever decides to talk about the trade deadline, the Jazz 228 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:25.639 are inevitably brought up. And one name Tim that I 229 00:11:25.720 --> 00:11:28.960 keep hearing, and maybe it's just I don't know. I 230 00:11:29.039 --> 00:11:31.519 feel like there's this thing where maybe media members and 231 00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:34.120 other markets see a player here playing well and they're like, oh, 232 00:11:34.240 --> 00:11:37.399 we could get him. I just keep hearing that Danny 233 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:39.720 and Justin are taking calls about Walker, and I just 234 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:42.279 can't really wrap my mind around it. I don't know 235 00:11:42.840 --> 00:11:45.519 everybody's tradable, Okay, I'm not saying there isn't an offer 236 00:11:45.519 --> 00:11:48.000 out there for Walker Kessler, but based off of what 237 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:50.000 we've seen this year and his age and how much 238 00:11:50.000 --> 00:11:51.879 they like him, I don't know that I'd even take 239 00:11:51.919 --> 00:11:54.240 phone calls on him right now, unless somebody's gonna blow 240 00:11:54.279 --> 00:11:55.000 my socks off. 241 00:11:55.960 --> 00:11:58.559 I mean, you take phone calls, but those phone calls 242 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:03.360 in pretty quickly, unless unless somebody is making you with 243 00:12:03.559 --> 00:12:05.919 the type of offer that you can refuse. And look, 244 00:12:06.399 --> 00:12:08.720 the Jazz took a ton of phone calls on Walker 245 00:12:08.799 --> 00:12:13.480 Kessler over the summer, and obviously he did not get moved. 246 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:15.039 There was a lot of interest in him. There was 247 00:12:15.080 --> 00:12:17.279 a lot of teams calling and trying to kind of 248 00:12:17.279 --> 00:12:20.480 buy low. He didn't get moved in and the stock 249 00:12:20.559 --> 00:12:23.519 has gone up, like you know, look, it's not a 250 00:12:23.600 --> 00:12:26.759 winning situation, but you have to be able to evaluate 251 00:12:27.279 --> 00:12:33.960 individual development and individual performance, you know, in those circumstances. 252 00:12:34.039 --> 00:12:37.960 And look, he's having a good year. I mean he 253 00:12:38.080 --> 00:12:40.080 came back and I remember, I think I told you 254 00:12:40.120 --> 00:12:43.080 this when I saw the Jazz in pre season here 255 00:12:43.120 --> 00:12:46.039 in Dallas. The first thing Will Hardy said to me 256 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:48.799 was wait until you see Kesler. He had a great summer, 257 00:12:49.399 --> 00:12:52.200 you know, and I was like, okay, that's interesting. Then 258 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:55.440 you know, hashtag muscle watch. But the guy was clearly 259 00:12:55.480 --> 00:12:57.960 in the weight room all summer, you know, bulked up 260 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:01.360 and it's good weight. I think he was able to 261 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:03.879 kind of a summer away from it. You know, he 262 00:13:03.960 --> 00:13:06.080 went to Summer League, but you know, not Team USA 263 00:13:06.120 --> 00:13:07.879 and all that kind of stuff. With the World Cup, 264 00:13:08.360 --> 00:13:10.480 I was able for him to kind of refresh mentally, 265 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:13.480 and he's done everything that they were hoping to see 266 00:13:14.519 --> 00:13:18.480 from him this season. I'm not saying there's no way 267 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:21.559 that he's traded. I'm saying it's going to be awfully 268 00:13:21.600 --> 00:13:24.559 pricey to even tempt the Jazz's front office. 269 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:27.320 At the risk of a Tim McMahon eye roll on 270 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:28.320 the other end of the phone. 271 00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:29.440 And I know what that looks like. 272 00:13:29.679 --> 00:13:32.000 I'm just gonna ask you this because we are in 273 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:34.879 Salt Lake City, and we'll move over to other things. 274 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:38.159 But the fact of the matter is marketing's numbers across 275 00:13:38.200 --> 00:13:41.240 the border all the way down. Now, that's not to 276 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:44.000 me any indicator that he's not the player that he 277 00:13:44.039 --> 00:13:47.080 once was. His minutes are about the same at thirty two. 278 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:50.399 He's been incrementally held out here or there, but nineteen 279 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:52.919 points six boards, all of this splits are down. I mean, 280 00:13:53.039 --> 00:13:56.519 is there anything there there at all? 281 00:13:57.080 --> 00:14:00.639 I'll be honest with you, I have not inquired with 282 00:14:00.759 --> 00:14:05.600 anybody in UH in the organization recently about that I 283 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:09.320 would be surprised. There's a whole lot of concern. You know, Honestly, 284 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:14.200 he's a veteran guy. We understand what this season is 285 00:14:14.200 --> 00:14:18.879 for the Utah Jazz. I'm sure it's probably difficult for 286 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:24.039 him to be dialed in on a day to day 287 00:14:24.080 --> 00:14:26.919 basis the way that you know, he probably would be 288 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:31.879 in a more competitive situation. I personally don't think there's 289 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:36.480 any massive reason for concern. And like I said, I 290 00:14:36.480 --> 00:14:38.919 I can I can speculate that the probably isn't within 291 00:14:38.960 --> 00:14:42.639 the organization, but I would be I would be misleading 292 00:14:42.679 --> 00:14:45.519 you if I had told you I'd been asked about 293 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:46.360 him a lot lately. 294 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:49.480 Fair Enough, we had at Haberstrow yesterday. 295 00:14:49.519 --> 00:14:51.879 We had bontemps last week, and they both had different 296 00:14:51.919 --> 00:14:55.919 answers about how this. Jimmy Butler Soga will and you 297 00:14:56.000 --> 00:14:58.000 just you don't mess with Pat. You just don't don't 298 00:14:58.039 --> 00:14:59.919 mess with Pat Riley. It's the wrong guy to mess with. 299 00:15:00.559 --> 00:15:03.799 And the weird thing is that if you're Miami, there's 300 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:06.480 not a ton of incentive to like move him. It 301 00:15:06.559 --> 00:15:08.440 actually might behoove them to hold on to him and 302 00:15:08.480 --> 00:15:11.360 let him hit free agency for cap flexibility. So like 303 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:14.519 they don't have to do anything, but this feels untenable. 304 00:15:14.600 --> 00:15:17.480 He's been suspended, and there are a lot of rumors 305 00:15:17.960 --> 00:15:20.360 concerning some teams who you cover, like Memphis, and then 306 00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:23.600 other teams like maybe Golden State, Phoenix, potentially Milwaukee. 307 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:25.399 Just give me your best guess. How do you think 308 00:15:25.440 --> 00:15:26.679 this thing ends with Jimmy Butler. 309 00:15:28.200 --> 00:15:32.080 I mean, it's intentionally untenable, Like Jimmy has accomplished his 310 00:15:32.879 --> 00:15:36.399 short term goal of making the situation as uncomfortable as 311 00:15:36.440 --> 00:15:40.200 it could possibly be. I don't think that pat Riley 312 00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:42.279 the Heats are going to be bullied in to make 313 00:15:42.360 --> 00:15:44.679 him what they would consider to be a bad deal. 314 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:49.960 At this point. Would they make a neutral deal, you know, 315 00:15:51.559 --> 00:15:54.679 would they make a deal where they're getting some sort 316 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:57.080 of draft capital and no long term salary. I think 317 00:15:57.080 --> 00:15:59.080 they do that because I think it has reached a 318 00:15:59.120 --> 00:16:01.600 point where they're just like eight, let's just let's just 319 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:05.600 get rid of the headache. Which again that's that's Jimmy 320 00:16:05.879 --> 00:16:09.600 doing exactly what he set out to do. There's a 321 00:16:09.600 --> 00:16:14.639 long time till the shade deadline. I I would lean 322 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:20.639 towards and then probably figuring something out. And look, if 323 00:16:20.639 --> 00:16:22.879 they figure something out, maybe it's a three team, maybe 324 00:16:22.879 --> 00:16:26.120 it's a four team. You know, certainly the Jazz I'm 325 00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:29.879 sure involved on the periphery of that where maybe there's 326 00:16:29.919 --> 00:16:32.200 a way for them to kind of wiggle in there 327 00:16:32.279 --> 00:16:36.000 and get some sort of value, uh, you know, for 328 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:39.000 for the future. It's not going to be easy though, 329 00:16:39.039 --> 00:16:44.279 for a lot of reasons. One his salary, to his personality. 330 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:48.080 Three his age. You know, for all the talk of 331 00:16:48.159 --> 00:16:50.360 he's definitely gonna turn down the player option, I will 332 00:16:50.360 --> 00:16:52.879 believe that he turns down fifty two million dollars next 333 00:16:52.919 --> 00:16:57.000 season when it actually happens. It's a it's a complicated 334 00:16:57.080 --> 00:16:59.720 thing for many, many different reasons. 335 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:02.879 Tell me what you think John Moran had. 336 00:17:02.960 --> 00:17:05.599 What questions you think JA has answered this year as 337 00:17:05.680 --> 00:17:08.480 Memphis is back to where we're accustomed to seeing them 338 00:17:08.519 --> 00:17:11.400 when John Moran is healthy and look, I don't know 339 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:14.359 if it's a real reclamation story, but as of now, 340 00:17:14.400 --> 00:17:16.559 nothing' hit the news and they're a good team. And 341 00:17:16.599 --> 00:17:19.720 when he's in the lineup, he reminds us of who 342 00:17:19.799 --> 00:17:23.160 he is when all the noises kind of blocked out. 343 00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:25.279 But you cover this team, you know the situation. Well, 344 00:17:25.279 --> 00:17:27.920 what is there anything you think JA has set up 345 00:17:27.920 --> 00:17:30.240 to this point. That is encouraging if you're a Grizzlies fan. 346 00:17:31.680 --> 00:17:31.960 Listen. 347 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:34.400 I think the biggest question that he's answered is Kim 348 00:17:34.519 --> 00:17:39.359 John Morant avoid you know, just shooting himself in the 349 00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:46.119 foot metaphorically obviously indeed by doing dumb things. And it 350 00:17:46.160 --> 00:17:51.039 has been fortunately very quiet around him for over a 351 00:17:51.119 --> 00:17:54.279 year now. And you know that's including a lot of 352 00:17:54.279 --> 00:17:56.400 time where he had idle time. I mean, he was 353 00:17:56.440 --> 00:17:59.160 traveling with the team last year when he was hurt, 354 00:17:59.160 --> 00:18:01.200 and I was very intense want to keep him involved, 355 00:18:01.319 --> 00:18:05.079 kind to keep him in that team environment and focus. 356 00:18:05.160 --> 00:18:08.599 But I'm not saying that that Joe is going to 357 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:11.279 be getting his wee bow badges from the Voice Scouts 358 00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:14.200 or as a Cup Scots whatever that is anytime soon. 359 00:18:14.359 --> 00:18:18.759 But there's not the rumblings that there were about him, 360 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:21.720 you know, a year and a half ago, fifteen months ago. 361 00:18:22.279 --> 00:18:24.720 And so that's the biggest thing. If Josh stays out 362 00:18:24.720 --> 00:18:26.599 of his own way, he's going to have a chance 363 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:31.079 to have a Hall of Fame type of career, you know. Unfortunately, 364 00:18:31.160 --> 00:18:33.640 the other big question in him is about durability. That's 365 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:36.240 again been a challenge. You know, he's had a couple 366 00:18:36.279 --> 00:18:38.960 of pretty significant injuries so far this season, is already 367 00:18:39.119 --> 00:18:43.599 not going to be eligible for all NBA. But man, 368 00:18:43.799 --> 00:18:48.160 you know that is a deep team that is difficult 369 00:18:48.200 --> 00:18:51.279 to prepare for. They do have a unique system among 370 00:18:52.119 --> 00:18:56.640 NBA teams these days, and if John and desen Bay 371 00:18:56.720 --> 00:18:59.200 and jam Jackson Junior are all healthy going to the playoffs, 372 00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:01.000 I think they will have answer to make some noise. 373 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:05.200 What can you tell us that's the most recent take 374 00:19:05.279 --> 00:19:08.519 on just how dominant okay See has been. They've ran 375 00:19:08.640 --> 00:19:11.680 fifteen straight off and it's not just who they are now, 376 00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:13.839 it's what that front office has built them to be 377 00:19:13.960 --> 00:19:17.319 moving forward. As Bobby Mark says, we've talked about released 378 00:19:17.359 --> 00:19:20.720 the draft capital rankings, the Jazz were four. OKAC has 379 00:19:20.759 --> 00:19:23.240 won and they've also won fifteen straight games and they're 380 00:19:23.279 --> 00:19:27.680 thirty and five everything in the case, they're a dominant team. 381 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:28.400 Out this way. 382 00:19:28.119 --> 00:19:30.759 What's the latest Tim mcman take on this recent run 383 00:19:30.759 --> 00:19:31.319 from OKAC. 384 00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:35.480 Well, first of all, cannot wait to watch Kaz versus 385 00:19:35.920 --> 00:19:39.400 Thunder tomorrow and then I'll be live when they play 386 00:19:39.440 --> 00:19:43.079 again at OKC on the sixteen. I mean, both these 387 00:19:43.119 --> 00:19:46.200 teams are on seventy win paces. It's the first time 388 00:19:46.200 --> 00:19:48.519 we've had teams on that kind of pace. Two teams 389 00:19:49.480 --> 00:19:52.079 at this point of the season, says seventy one seventy 390 00:19:52.119 --> 00:19:54.839 two when it was the Bucks and Lakers, Kareem versus Willed. 391 00:19:55.680 --> 00:19:59.559 That's a pretty heavy company. So this is I know 392 00:20:00.039 --> 00:20:02.400 in Oklahoma City might not be the markets the NBA 393 00:20:02.519 --> 00:20:06.759 would have selected, but they these two teams are awfully good. 394 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:09.799 You're talking about the dumb one offense of the Cavaliers 395 00:20:09.880 --> 00:20:13.359 versus the number one defense of the Thunder Jego to Salazander. 396 00:20:13.440 --> 00:20:17.279 To me, it's a two horse race for MVP at 397 00:20:17.279 --> 00:20:22.559 this point, between him and Joker. He's unbelievabley He's does it, 398 00:20:22.599 --> 00:20:25.359 just scores thirty plus officially and does everything else that 399 00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:30.039 you can possibly want out of a superstar. But how 400 00:20:30.119 --> 00:20:32.960 dominant has this Thunder team been. Here's a stat for you. 401 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:35.559