WEBVTT 1 00:00:06.679 --> 00:00:10.119 Christmas is a wonderful time of year, though it seemingly 2 00:00:10.160 --> 00:00:13.039 has been taken over with consumerism and the pursuit of 3 00:00:13.080 --> 00:00:16.600 spending as much money as possible. At its heart and 4 00:00:16.679 --> 00:00:21.679 has a very good meaning and value family, friends and 5 00:00:21.800 --> 00:00:26.359 celebrating the relationships we hold so dear. But in the 6 00:00:26.480 --> 00:00:30.359 Anderson Home in two thousand and seven, everything that makes 7 00:00:30.440 --> 00:00:35.079 Christmas what it is seemed to create a monster as 8 00:00:35.119 --> 00:00:39.039 it all came together in one murderous evening. 9 00:00:39.920 --> 00:00:42.640 My name is Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening 10 00:00:42.679 --> 00:00:46.679 to Wicked and Grim, a true crime podcast. Warning. 11 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:52.520 The following podcast contains grabbing content and material intended for 12 00:00:52.560 --> 00:01:14.640 a mature audience. Listener discretion is advised. How many people 13 00:01:14.680 --> 00:01:18.400 out there have been taking advantage of the Boxing Day sales? 14 00:01:18.439 --> 00:01:21.120 This is not an ad. I'm just literally curious. 15 00:01:21.359 --> 00:01:23.040 Well seriously going into an ad. 16 00:01:23.120 --> 00:01:25.680 I know That's why I really changed my tone quickly. 17 00:01:27.120 --> 00:01:29.319 Have you been taking advantage of the sales? Well, come 18 00:01:29.359 --> 00:01:32.599 on down, No, it's just I'm curious. Are you buying 19 00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:34.680 yourself the thing you didn't get for Christmas that you 20 00:01:34.719 --> 00:01:35.280 really wanted? 21 00:01:35.560 --> 00:01:39.120 I feel like almost the Black Friday sales and that 22 00:01:39.200 --> 00:01:43.000 day is more about people purchasing more things. I purchased 23 00:01:43.000 --> 00:01:45.840 way more on Black Friday than I did on Boxing 24 00:01:45.920 --> 00:01:46.400 Day today. 25 00:01:46.560 --> 00:01:49.840 Black Friday was notoriously lackluster this year, though, Like there 26 00:01:49.879 --> 00:01:52.920 was like major headlines about how like shitty Black Fridays. 27 00:01:52.959 --> 00:01:56.200 Oh really, well yeah, corporations not actually marking things down. 28 00:01:56.280 --> 00:01:57.920 They mark it up and then mark it down to 29 00:01:58.319 --> 00:01:59.560 the prices, things like that. 30 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:02.040 So I think people are thinking back to Black Friday 31 00:02:02.040 --> 00:02:05.040 when it was like serious smoking deals all right, and 32 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:07.400 now it's not not quite as much. 33 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:09.919 Yeah, because they don't do that anymore. Corporations just manipulate 34 00:02:09.960 --> 00:02:12.319 it to so they can still make money or more money. 35 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:15.039 Yeah, but then everybody kind of has sales too, and 36 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:17.479 it's nice to do some Christmas shopping then oh yeah. 37 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:21.280 So but I think the best sales are probably after 38 00:02:21.400 --> 00:02:24.680 Christmas because that's when the stores are legitimately trying to 39 00:02:24.680 --> 00:02:25.439 get rid of stock. 40 00:02:25.719 --> 00:02:28.240 Yeah you know what I mean, but more so probably 41 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:29.039 Christmas stock. 42 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:33.280 Yeah, they didn't sell out all the big screen TVs, 43 00:02:33.319 --> 00:02:34.879 so it's like, well, now we're sitting on all these 44 00:02:34.919 --> 00:02:36.280 we got to do a Boxing Day sale. 45 00:02:36.360 --> 00:02:40.280 I was thinking, like Christmas decor, well, that wrap and stuff. 46 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:42.960 You can get those I know, a cold bot of 47 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:45.759 two apparently, and I got some stuff in my Amazon cart, 48 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:47.960 so we're gonna be buying some things apparently. 49 00:02:48.199 --> 00:02:49.879 Like this is a big shock that I didn't tell 50 00:02:49.879 --> 00:02:51.280 you about a sixteen dollars two. 51 00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:55.240 I'm disappointed. We hope you guys had an awesome Christmas 52 00:02:55.280 --> 00:02:58.560 or holiday or whatever you celebrate or don't celebrate. Regardless, 53 00:02:58.560 --> 00:03:03.639 we hope it's been awesome. We have a Christmas themed 54 00:03:03.879 --> 00:03:06.840 case for you today, We sure do, so. I do 55 00:03:06.919 --> 00:03:10.080 want to shout out Alfredo Mendina over on our Patreon 56 00:03:10.120 --> 00:03:13.360 who actually recommended this case to us. Okay, we put 57 00:03:13.400 --> 00:03:15.360 out a little thing on Patreon like, hey, does everyone 58 00:03:15.479 --> 00:03:17.280 anyone have a good Christmas case that I think we 59 00:03:17.280 --> 00:03:20.319 should do this year? And yeah, this was the one 60 00:03:20.560 --> 00:03:23.520 that we chose out of the list. So shout out 61 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:26.719 to Alfredo there. Thank you so much for the recommendation. 62 00:03:26.960 --> 00:03:29.280 They never let us down over there when we're asking 63 00:03:29.319 --> 00:03:30.759 for recommendations. 64 00:03:30.520 --> 00:03:32.159 Oh no, they always got our back. 65 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:36.039 Yeah they really do. Wow. Ye pretty oppressive, which I mean. 66 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:38.360 I just do want to thank our patrons because they've 67 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:41.879 supported us crazy this year. They they're always there for 68 00:03:41.879 --> 00:03:43.560 whenever we need. They're great to talk to you. They 69 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:46.000 got good recommendations, so shout out to our crew over 70 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:47.879 on Patreon if you want to join, links in the 71 00:03:47.879 --> 00:03:51.919 description below. If not totally cool, we still are awesome 72 00:03:52.159 --> 00:03:54.520 friends regardless, right. 73 00:03:54.759 --> 00:03:56.159 The most awesomest of friends. 74 00:03:56.240 --> 00:03:58.960 Hey, the most awesomest of awesome friends. 75 00:03:59.199 --> 00:04:02.800 Oh okay, well should we dive into this? I'm a 76 00:04:02.800 --> 00:04:05.280 bit curious. Well let's do it, because I don't know 77 00:04:05.360 --> 00:04:06.479 much about this at all. 78 00:04:06.400 --> 00:04:09.800 So you don't know, okay, Well, this is the story 79 00:04:09.879 --> 00:04:15.280 of the Carnation murders aka Carnation massacre ak a Anderson 80 00:04:15.360 --> 00:04:19.920 family massacre, Anderson murders. The Carnation Murders is basically what 81 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:24.120 it's generally called. Okay, and this uh starts off in 82 00:04:24.160 --> 00:04:27.920 a small town called, drum roll please, Carnation. 83 00:04:28.639 --> 00:04:31.680 Okay, It's like, what could it be? I didn't even 84 00:04:31.720 --> 00:04:34.079 think that. It's so funny, that's so oh man? 85 00:04:34.199 --> 00:04:36.079 How did you not figure out what the place would 86 00:04:36.079 --> 00:04:36.519 have been called? 87 00:04:36.639 --> 00:04:41.360 I don't know. I just I've been relaxing too much today. 88 00:04:41.360 --> 00:04:42.959 My brain's not sharp, apparently. 89 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:45.439 I mean, we're all well not all of us, I'm sure, 90 00:04:45.439 --> 00:04:47.839 but a lot of us are, you know, having a 91 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:51.199 little too much Christmas calories lately. So I know me, 92 00:04:51.319 --> 00:04:53.839 I've been indulging in some chocolate too much and my 93 00:04:53.879 --> 00:04:56.759 brain isn't working at full capacity, so I cannot blame. 94 00:04:56.519 --> 00:04:58.360 You chocolate or bows. 95 00:04:58.680 --> 00:05:02.160 Yes, you're not wrong. Thanks for calling me out. 96 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:05.560 I will always call you out well. 97 00:05:05.639 --> 00:05:08.639 Carnation resides in the state of Washington, and it is 98 00:05:08.680 --> 00:05:13.120 situated approximately twenty five miles east of Seattle, and it 99 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:17.759 boasts the title of quote city despite encompassing only one 100 00:05:17.839 --> 00:05:19.959 point one square miles. 101 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:23.279 Oh wow. It's a very small place, very small. 102 00:05:24.480 --> 00:05:27.199 It is home to a modest population of just over 103 00:05:27.319 --> 00:05:30.920 twenty one hundred people, has a nice rural charm to it, 104 00:05:30.959 --> 00:05:34.079 and with the majority of its residents engaging in agricultural 105 00:05:34.079 --> 00:05:37.920 pursuits such as farming or small forms of homesteading, the 106 00:05:37.959 --> 00:05:41.800 city proudly declares itself one of the most agriculturally productive 107 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:43.879 regions in the north West. 108 00:05:44.079 --> 00:05:45.680 Okay, that's awesome. I love that. 109 00:05:45.800 --> 00:05:48.680 Actually, I mean you can kind of almost picture it 110 00:05:48.759 --> 00:05:49.600 at this point. 111 00:05:49.399 --> 00:05:50.000 Kind of yeah. 112 00:05:50.079 --> 00:05:50.240 Yeah. 113 00:05:50.399 --> 00:05:51.439 And they're actually not very. 114 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:53.680 Far away from us, No they're not really Yeah, No, 115 00:05:54.040 --> 00:05:56.000 Pacific Northwest still for sure. I mean we're at the 116 00:05:56.040 --> 00:05:58.240 northern tip of it. I think they're more the southern 117 00:05:58.319 --> 00:06:01.399 end of it, but still yeah. Now, because of its 118 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:05.000 small size, though, Carnation thrives as a very tight knit 119 00:06:05.079 --> 00:06:09.079 community where familiarity among the residents is kind of like 120 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:11.240 the social norm, like everyone kind of knows each other 121 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:13.680 sort of thing feeling. If you go to the grocery store, 122 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:15.680 you're going to run into several people that you'll have 123 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:19.959 conversations with along the way. Local events were more like 124 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:24.120 a large gathering of friends more than anything. For example, 125 00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:27.399 the city's annual Fourth of July and fall harvest celebrations 126 00:06:27.439 --> 00:06:29.600 were times when the locals kind of came together like 127 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:33.439 lifelong friends instead of just you know, oh neighbors. So 128 00:06:33.480 --> 00:06:36.240 to me, it almost seems like something plucked straight out 129 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:37.240 of a Hallmark movie. 130 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:37.839 I know. 131 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:41.959 Actually yes, yeah, So the overall sense of safety in 132 00:06:41.959 --> 00:06:46.199 this community. Community's reputation story as a family friendly place 133 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:50.279 played a massive part in Carnation's appeal. 134 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:52.120 Okay, so it wasn't. 135 00:06:51.920 --> 00:06:54.480 A perfect place. I want to start by saying that 136 00:06:54.519 --> 00:06:56.720 by any means, it's not a perfect place. Nowhere is 137 00:06:56.800 --> 00:07:01.560 quote perfect right nowhere. But there's isolated incidents of burglary 138 00:07:01.600 --> 00:07:05.240 and theft that did occur, and violent crimes were a rarity, 139 00:07:05.319 --> 00:07:07.920 if not virtually non existent in this place. 140 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:10.360 I also am kind of envisioning it to as a 141 00:07:10.399 --> 00:07:14.600 place where probably everybody knows your business, I think, so right, Yeah, 142 00:07:14.680 --> 00:07:17.279 so small and if everyone's kind of friends and stuff. 143 00:07:17.399 --> 00:07:20.759 Yeah, it's a small little place, little farming, computer community, 144 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:24.319 kind of rural. You kind of go to community events 145 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:27.920 and it's like you know, reunions of friendship and there's 146 00:07:27.920 --> 00:07:31.480 not much crime going on. Everyone's just like chilling, having 147 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:34.279 a good time, loving each other and like you say, 148 00:07:34.319 --> 00:07:37.079 probably knowing each other's business. Probably a little too much. 149 00:07:37.040 --> 00:07:38.199 Little too much, I. 150 00:07:38.040 --> 00:07:40.879 Imagine, though it is this quaint little place, there's probably 151 00:07:40.920 --> 00:07:45.040 some community drama being spewn back and forth. But like 152 00:07:45.079 --> 00:07:48.920 I said, no place is perfect. No, And with no 153 00:07:49.079 --> 00:07:52.360 place being perfect, this of course leads us to our 154 00:07:52.519 --> 00:07:57.199 incident that we are covering today. So when the tranquility 155 00:07:57.480 --> 00:08:00.480 of this quaint little city was shattered, it was on 156 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:04.600 Christmas Eve, December twenty fourth of two thousand and seven, 157 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:08.079 and it marked a very large turning point in its history. 158 00:08:08.959 --> 00:08:12.560 So the story focuses on the Anderson family, composed of 159 00:08:12.680 --> 00:08:16.439 Judy Anderson, who was sixty one Wayne Anderson, who was sixty. 160 00:08:17.120 --> 00:08:19.439 They had shared a happy marriage that had spanned over 161 00:08:19.439 --> 00:08:22.759 the course of the past thirty one years. Judy held 162 00:08:22.759 --> 00:08:25.480 a position at the US Postal Service, while Wayne worked 163 00:08:25.480 --> 00:08:30.279 as an engineer for Boeing. Together they raised three children, Mary, 164 00:08:30.680 --> 00:08:33.159 who from this story, as far as I can tell, 165 00:08:33.360 --> 00:08:35.679 was not living in the area or out of town. 166 00:08:36.159 --> 00:08:40.519 She's generally not involved, okay, and their other two children, Scott, 167 00:08:40.519 --> 00:08:42.759 who was thirty two and Michelle, who was twenty nine. 168 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:46.639 Scott had married his wife named Erica, who was also 169 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:49.159 thirty two, and they had expand their family with two 170 00:08:49.200 --> 00:08:52.320 children of their own, Olivia, who was five in Nathan, 171 00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:56.799 who was three. Michelle Anderson resided with her boyfriend, Joseph 172 00:08:56.919 --> 00:09:01.399 Mcroe Micenroe Sorry, who was also twenty nine, in a 173 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:05.159 trailer situated on the ten acre property owned by Judy 174 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:08.120 and Wayne. So Michelle lived with her boyfriend on a 175 00:09:08.159 --> 00:09:10.960 trailer on her parents' property the ten acre sort of thing. 176 00:09:10.919 --> 00:09:14.159 Right, and did sorry, did the son live there with 177 00:09:14.200 --> 00:09:15.879 his family or no? 178 00:09:15.879 --> 00:09:16.000 No? 179 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:17.759 Okay, Okay, no. 180 00:09:18.519 --> 00:09:21.159 Scott and Erica with their two kids, they had their 181 00:09:21.200 --> 00:09:24.000 own place. I'm not too sure where, but they were 182 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:26.159 off the property at their own. 183 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:28.120 Home still in that town. 184 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:32.120 Though as far as I'm aware, yes, now, everything in 185 00:09:32.120 --> 00:09:34.960 the world of the Anderson family was normal. Christmas was 186 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:37.480 just around the corner. It's Christmas Eve, in fact, and 187 00:09:37.519 --> 00:09:40.519 everyone had planned a gathering at Wayne and Judy's home 188 00:09:40.799 --> 00:09:45.440 for the evening. The Anderson home was decorated festively and 189 00:09:45.559 --> 00:09:49.320 was cozy that afternoon. The Christmas tree lights were blinking 190 00:09:49.399 --> 00:09:52.240 and the smell of roast beef dinner was coming out 191 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:56.360 of the kitchen. Nice Judy sat wrapping gifts and preparation 192 00:09:56.440 --> 00:09:59.320 for her grandchildren's arrival, and Wayne sat on the couch 193 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:04.919 relaxing watching some TV. Then everything changed. The relaxed Christmas 194 00:10:04.919 --> 00:10:08.960 atmosphere in the Anderson home turned to complete chaos in 195 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:13.240 just a matter of seconds. Michelle and Joseph entered the home, 196 00:10:13.879 --> 00:10:17.080 but instead of the expected Merry Christmas with hugs or 197 00:10:17.120 --> 00:10:20.879 maybe even presents in their arms, they instead each were 198 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:25.559 armed with a handgun. Joseph distracted Judy while Michelle shot Wayne, 199 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:29.799 her father. However, in that instant, while Michelle had the 200 00:10:29.840 --> 00:10:34.080 gun aimed, she pulled the trigger and the gun jammed. 201 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:37.720 It would have only been a moment between the time 202 00:10:37.759 --> 00:10:40.000 when she pulled the trigger and the gun jammed, and 203 00:10:40.039 --> 00:10:43.600 then when Joseph turned to shoot Wayne and then Judy, 204 00:10:44.039 --> 00:10:47.360 ultimately killing them both. But I'm sure in that small 205 00:10:47.399 --> 00:10:49.919 moment of time it would have felt like an eternity 206 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:53.279 as Wayne watched his own daughter aim a gun at 207 00:10:53.279 --> 00:10:57.039 his face, pulled the trigger only four to jam. 208 00:10:57.639 --> 00:11:00.840 What the actual fuck I was expecting this? 209 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:02.919 Yeah, this is what happened. 210 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:04.240 Holy shit. 211 00:11:04.639 --> 00:11:08.960 Michelle entered her parents' home on Christmas Eve and murdered 212 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:12.240 them in cold blood. Though technically her gun jammed, it 213 00:11:12.279 --> 00:11:13.720 was her boyfriend Joseph who pulled the. 214 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:16.639 Tree, but still she very much so was involved and 215 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:18.559 had the intention. Wow. 216 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:25.159 So to Joseph and Michelle, however, this instant would not 217 00:11:25.320 --> 00:11:27.840 have felt like forever. It seemed like it was almost 218 00:11:27.840 --> 00:11:30.440 the opposite, as they were so cold and didn't waste 219 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:33.080 any time and immediately began to clean the room and 220 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:37.559 dispose of Michelle's parents' bodies. Together, they dragged them both 221 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:40.600 Judy and Wayne into the backyard to put them in 222 00:11:40.639 --> 00:11:43.759 a shed behind the house. They closed the door, went 223 00:11:43.840 --> 00:11:46.759 back inside, and once everything was cleaned up and taken 224 00:11:46.759 --> 00:11:49.399 care of, they then sat down and waited for the 225 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:52.200 arrival of Michelle's brother, Scott. 226 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:57.320 Oh my gosh. 227 00:11:55.600 --> 00:11:58.399 Wow, Okay, this is quite the Christmas Eve. 228 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:01.399 Hey, no shit, because these are the ones that lived 229 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:07.200 on the property, right correct, Holy shit. I was not 230 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:09.759 thinking it was going to be an internal affair. 231 00:12:10.159 --> 00:12:13.240 No, you're thinking it was going to be some burglar event. 232 00:12:13.399 --> 00:12:16.720 Yeah, something going yeah, or they pissed someone off or something. 233 00:12:16.799 --> 00:12:18.919 But I was not expecting this to be like in 234 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:19.879 the family. Wow. 235 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:22.720 Now, this is one hundred percent within the family, one 236 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:27.919 hundred percent premeditated. And I mean you can't really say 237 00:12:27.960 --> 00:12:30.879 much else with that. I mean, it's pretty straightforward now 238 00:12:30.919 --> 00:12:32.639 that her came in and killed her parents. 239 00:12:32.679 --> 00:12:37.320 I'm just scared shitless about the brother arriving. Holy shit. 240 00:12:38.279 --> 00:12:40.000 And that would have been a big mess to clean 241 00:12:40.080 --> 00:12:41.000 up too, It would have. 242 00:12:41.039 --> 00:12:42.039 Been it would have been. 243 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:43.200 Now. 244 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:46.840 After about an hour of them waiting, her brother arrived. 245 00:12:47.240 --> 00:12:50.279 Nothing seemed wrong at first. Her brother entered the home 246 00:12:50.879 --> 00:12:53.440 with his family, and they began to get comfortable, expecting 247 00:12:53.480 --> 00:12:55.480 Wayne and Judy to enter the room at any moment, 248 00:12:55.480 --> 00:12:59.799 wishing everyone to marry Christmas. But instead, though, that's when 249 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:03.639 Shell and Joseph appeared and Michelle opened fire on her 250 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:08.879 brother Scott, shooting him a total of four times. His wife, Erica, 251 00:13:08.960 --> 00:13:11.559 managed to make a mad dash for the phone and 252 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:15.200 called nine to one one around five pm and was 253 00:13:15.240 --> 00:13:20.960 heard screaming on the phone quoting not the kids, but 254 00:13:21.039 --> 00:13:23.480 before authorities were able to find out anything else on 255 00:13:23.559 --> 00:13:26.240 what was going on, the phone went dead. 256 00:13:26.639 --> 00:13:29.799 Oh my gosh, because they wouldn't have probably had the 257 00:13:29.840 --> 00:13:33.679 technology today where they could just track the phone. I'm assuming, 258 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:34.200 I don't know. 259 00:13:34.440 --> 00:13:37.120 Yeah, they definitely did. Oh this is two thousand and seven. 260 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:40.559 Oh okay, yeah, they had Star six nine or tracking 261 00:13:40.559 --> 00:13:42.559 the phone. I mean all this sort of stuff, you 262 00:13:42.639 --> 00:13:42.919 name it. 263 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:45.159 Okay, So that's amazing that she was able to. 264 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:50.720 Call then, yes, definitely. Michelle of course then shot Erica 265 00:13:51.240 --> 00:13:54.440 twice and she would have more, but she ran out 266 00:13:54.440 --> 00:13:57.200 of bullets, and because of this, she told Joseph he 267 00:13:57.320 --> 00:13:59.159 needs to be the one to shoot the kids because 268 00:13:59.159 --> 00:14:05.639 she can't. So these kids are there currently screaming and 269 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:08.440 clinging to their now deceased mother Erica on the floor, 270 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:11.879 and Joseph obliged and does. 271 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:14.159 What Michelle says, Holy fuck. 272 00:14:14.279 --> 00:14:18.879 With a total of fourteen bullets. Michelle Anderson and Joseph 273 00:14:19.240 --> 00:14:23.440 McEnroe wiped out all six of the Anderson family members 274 00:14:23.440 --> 00:14:24.000 within the home. 275 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:30.320 I cannot even believe this. This is so disgusting it 276 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:34.840 and I need some answers here. This is unbelievable. Wow. Wow. 277 00:14:36.159 --> 00:14:38.559 We'll get to kind of the quote answers here in 278 00:14:38.600 --> 00:14:40.000 a little bit, of course, we got some more to 279 00:14:40.039 --> 00:14:45.320 talk about before you do. But researching this was tough. 280 00:14:46.799 --> 00:14:52.480 It's hard to not picture yourself in this position, being like, okay, 281 00:14:53.679 --> 00:14:56.720 losing my entire family in this evening. Because whether you're 282 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:00.679 sitting here thinking you're the parents and a child of 283 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:03.559 mine is doing this, or I'm a sibling and a 284 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:06.360 sibling is doing this, or I'm the sibling out of 285 00:15:06.399 --> 00:15:08.279 town and getting the news of this happening to the 286 00:15:08.360 --> 00:15:11.039 rest of my family, or this is my kids, whatever 287 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:15.039 perspective you're putting yourself in, it's gut wrenching to say 288 00:15:15.080 --> 00:15:15.519 the least. 289 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:20.440 And just why, like that just doesn't make any sense. 290 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:23.360 Well, we'll touch on why here in a little bit, 291 00:15:23.440 --> 00:15:27.600 because there is a why now. In response to the 292 00:15:27.679 --> 00:15:29.919 nine one one call, just as you were saying, because hey, 293 00:15:29.960 --> 00:15:33.039 can't they track the phone? Of course they can. Nine 294 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:35.159 one one immediately was able to track the phone they 295 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:37.320 knew where it was coming from, and authorities were able 296 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:41.799 to dispatch to the Anderson property, but Michelle knew that 297 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:44.679 the police were likely to come and had already locked 298 00:15:44.720 --> 00:15:47.960 the gate to the property, and the police didn't have 299 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:51.360 any other option but to turn around and retreat, not 300 00:15:51.440 --> 00:15:54.120 realizing the carnage that was actually taking place behind the 301 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:54.759 locked gate. 302 00:15:55.399 --> 00:15:58.000 Oh, because so they couldn't just enter kind of thing. 303 00:15:58.600 --> 00:15:59.440 You don't have a warrant. 304 00:15:59.480 --> 00:16:00.320 They had no idea. 305 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:04.159 Really, they have nothing at this point. It's basically a 306 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:08.919 wellness check, right, and you can't Okay, you need I 307 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:10.720 think you need reason to enter, and I don't think 308 00:16:10.759 --> 00:16:12.320 they had reason to enter technically. 309 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:13.960 I kind of feel like they did, though. If someone 310 00:16:14.080 --> 00:16:15.639 was screaming on the phone. 311 00:16:16.159 --> 00:16:18.240 I listened to that nine on one call, it's kind 312 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:22.240 of hard to hear Erica actually screaming and quoting not 313 00:16:22.399 --> 00:16:24.559 the kids. It's kind of almost like it's in the background. 314 00:16:24.600 --> 00:16:25.720 You just kind of hear like a bit of a 315 00:16:25.720 --> 00:16:27.600 scream and that or something. Then it just goes dead. 316 00:16:27.600 --> 00:16:28.720 It could have been a prank call. 317 00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:32.240 You don't know, really, Yeah, dang. 318 00:16:32.039 --> 00:16:35.159 So police can't exactly just go busting down a door 319 00:16:35.799 --> 00:16:38.320 only to learn that, Hey, your six year old just 320 00:16:39.039 --> 00:16:42.519 phone the police because you told them to clean your room. Yeah, 321 00:16:42.639 --> 00:16:45.080 or you butt dialed nine one one and you're watching 322 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:48.240 a movie that happens to have someone screaming. 323 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:51.279 Not the kids, rightang, Okay. 324 00:16:51.559 --> 00:16:54.559 So the police didn't have any other anything to do 325 00:16:55.080 --> 00:16:58.320 or anything they could do, but just okay. 326 00:16:58.679 --> 00:17:00.799 But I mean too at that point of arriving, that's 327 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:02.000 been too late too. 328 00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:05.440 I'm sure, oh definitely everyone would have been dead by 329 00:17:05.440 --> 00:17:07.960 that point anyways, because seconds after that nine on one 330 00:17:07.960 --> 00:17:11.359 call was placed and the phone was ended, everyone else 331 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:15.759 was shot in it. Recut it just the same. So, unfortunately, 332 00:17:15.799 --> 00:17:18.839 it wouldn't be until postal workers returned to work on 333 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:23.559 December twenty sixth, which is today, that the horrific scene 334 00:17:23.920 --> 00:17:29.000 was discovered. So we are sitting here in December twenty sixth, 335 00:17:29.119 --> 00:17:32.519 twenty twenty three, when this occurred December twenty sixth, two 336 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:37.359 thousand and seven, so this is the anniversary date. So 337 00:17:38.359 --> 00:17:42.680 worker Linda Thielli reported to work that morning, and she 338 00:17:42.839 --> 00:17:46.519 was surprised that her best friend, Judy Anderson, didn't show 339 00:17:46.640 --> 00:17:48.960 up for her shift. Now I remember the mother of 340 00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:51.960 the family. Judy did work as a US postal worker 341 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:55.000 right yep. So Lynda knew something wasn't right, and she 342 00:17:55.079 --> 00:17:59.200 was convinced that something was seriously wrong, so she actually 343 00:17:59.319 --> 00:18:02.480 left and made her way to Judy's house to check 344 00:18:02.519 --> 00:18:06.799 in on her personally an amazing friend, no kidding, and 345 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:11.039 she arrived there shortly after eight am. When she got there, 346 00:18:11.079 --> 00:18:13.960 the gate to the driveway was still closed and locked, 347 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:17.519 so she got out of her car, walked around it, 348 00:18:17.599 --> 00:18:20.440 and approached the house by foot. She walked up to 349 00:18:20.480 --> 00:18:25.759 the front door and knocked, but there was no answer. 350 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:29.759 So she tried the front door and it was open. 351 00:18:29.920 --> 00:18:31.519 It was locked, okay, so she. 352 00:18:31.519 --> 00:18:34.200 Opens the door and takes a look inside. 353 00:18:34.599 --> 00:18:34.839 Shit. 354 00:18:35.279 --> 00:18:37.119 As she opens the door a bit wider, she was 355 00:18:37.160 --> 00:18:40.039 met with a very gruesome scene of the murders that, 356 00:18:40.119 --> 00:18:43.799 of course occurred on Christmas Eve. She immediately saw the 357 00:18:43.839 --> 00:18:48.200 body of Scott Anderson lying motionless in the floor. At first, 358 00:18:48.640 --> 00:18:51.880 she thought that he had succumbed to potential carbon monoxide poisoning, 359 00:18:52.680 --> 00:18:55.920 but a moment later she realized he instead had been 360 00:18:55.960 --> 00:19:00.400 shot in the head. Not far from Scott laid the 361 00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:04.720 body of Erica and three year old Nathan, who had 362 00:19:04.759 --> 00:19:09.279 been shot as well. Now initially She had actually confused 363 00:19:09.440 --> 00:19:12.920 Erica for her friend Judy as she didn't want to 364 00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:13.839 really look at the body. 365 00:19:13.920 --> 00:19:15.440 Well what a horrifying scene. 366 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:20.359 Yeah, But regardless, Linda panicked and she knew she needed 367 00:19:20.359 --> 00:19:22.960 to call nine one one, and she didn't have her 368 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:25.440 cell phone on her, so she rushed into the residence 369 00:19:26.039 --> 00:19:29.119 and she used the phone in Judy and Wayne's bedroom 370 00:19:29.200 --> 00:19:31.039 and called from their landline. 371 00:19:31.160 --> 00:19:33.400 I'm almost surprised. I kind of expected her to go 372 00:19:33.480 --> 00:19:35.680 in and it potentially just been like cleaned up. 373 00:19:36.400 --> 00:19:37.200 Yeah, you think so. 374 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:39.079 That was what I was sort of expecting. 375 00:19:39.119 --> 00:19:42.839 Actually, I wasn't able to really figure out why it 376 00:19:43.039 --> 00:19:46.680 wasn't cleaned up, But I kind of agree with you. 377 00:19:46.759 --> 00:19:48.759 During my research, I was kind of questioning that too, 378 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:50.839 like why did they just hey leave it? 379 00:19:51.160 --> 00:19:53.400 Well, I mean, I guess they cleaned up the parents 380 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:56.839 so that they could still lure Scott in. 381 00:19:56.839 --> 00:20:00.559 Right, definitely, And that was brought up in the court case. 382 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:02.839 Actually they asked like, hey, why was that the case? 383 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:06.000 There wasn't really an answer either, I guess, but that 384 00:20:06.799 --> 00:20:08.960 is the gist of it is. Yeah, they were trying 385 00:20:08.960 --> 00:20:11.359 to lure in, making sure that they got them in 386 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:12.960 the home without them fleeing or anything. 387 00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:14.960 Yeah. 388 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:17.599 So the phone call between Linda and the operator lasted 389 00:20:17.640 --> 00:20:21.559 around thirty minutes. Linda told the operator that Judy and 390 00:20:21.599 --> 00:20:25.279 Wayne's daughter, Michelle, lived on the property in a mobile home, 391 00:20:25.720 --> 00:20:29.039 and Michelle had been upset with Judy and Wayne over money. 392 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:32.559 Linda stated that she was worried that Michelle may have 393 00:20:32.720 --> 00:20:35.720 actually been involved in the killings, and to quote her, 394 00:20:35.799 --> 00:20:39.160 she said, quote the gate is locked, which makes me 395 00:20:39.240 --> 00:20:42.559 wonder if her daughter did it, which is scary because 396 00:20:42.599 --> 00:20:44.599 then I might be up here with a murderer. 397 00:20:45.359 --> 00:20:49.440 Oh my gosh. Because yeah, that she could have seen 398 00:20:49.720 --> 00:20:52.960 this car parked right at the gate, yep, and gone 399 00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:53.960 and investigated. 400 00:20:54.160 --> 00:20:57.759 Yeah, maybe she's even in the house right then, in there, 401 00:20:57.960 --> 00:21:01.440