Speaker 1: Well, so that didn't go as planned? Please, at least
Speaker 1: the final score really makes it look like it didn't
Speaker 1: go as planned. I don't know if that like it
Speaker 1: was it was well, I mean you watched it, like
Speaker 1: I know that you clicked this podcast to hear us
Speaker 1: analyze it, and we will.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And you know, there's a couple of different ways I
Speaker 1: could do with this. I could just just rip yep.
Speaker 1: I also could sit here and tell you, ah, I
Speaker 1: don't be okay, that team's really good that they lost
Speaker 1: to I don't know. Well, we'll just kind of see
Speaker 1: how it goes. Do I hear do I hear the
Speaker 1: ice banging around a a Martini glass or something in
Speaker 1: the background, camp.
Speaker 2: I wish, I wish. Now that's just me banging my
Speaker 2: head repeatedly on the wall.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's not even a drink. Okay. It sounded like
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, it's like a it's like a
Speaker 1: Scotch night. It sounds like in the lippled uh in.
Speaker 2: The penthouse sweet in Chicago.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the six hundred and forty penthouse suite that
Speaker 2: I'm living right as right across from a dairy queen. Hey.
Speaker 1: Oh, there's worse restaurants to be right across the street
Speaker 1: fro I ranted in the middle of January. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's getting a lot of run with blizzards
Speaker 1: and the snow and the literal b lizz.
Speaker 2: No, I have not. I have not set foot in
Speaker 2: that establishment yet, but it does get a lot of traffic.
Speaker 2: It's it's kind of surprising.
Speaker 1: Dairy Queens have kind of fallen off a little bit,
Speaker 1: not super unlike the basketball team we root for in
Speaker 1: recent years. You know, there's still some time we'll talk
Speaker 1: about it, so we don't have land and seeing a
Speaker 1: movie tonight. I hope he enjoys it better than him
Speaker 1: than he enjoyed watching the game last night. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what did he tell us what he was seeing? Like?
Speaker 1: Are we just in the dark?
Speaker 2: Uh? I feel like he told us there was some
Speaker 2: movie that he wanted to go see a few weeks ago,
Speaker 2: and I have nowhere to go with this other than
Speaker 2: that statement. So you know, there's something about like a
Speaker 2: film festival or there's some movie he wanted to see,
Speaker 2: or maybe that was he said he might go to
Speaker 2: Chicago for that. I don't know.
Speaker 1: The only movie that I know of being out right
Speaker 1: now is the Lion King movie, and that's not a
Speaker 1: very land In movie. Wolfman is a little more of
Speaker 1: a land In movie. Maybe that's what he's seeing. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Well, I'll have to ask him. Let me
Speaker 1: ask him. Let's see if I can get an answer when
Speaker 1: we're on the air.
Speaker 2: No chance we can.
Speaker 1: Let's see if we can do it. This is inside
Speaker 1: the Paint on Rock Chalk Blog two man show today,
Speaker 1: But don't worry, we have We'll carry it home for
Speaker 1: all of you dying for some analysis hashtag analysis.
Speaker 2: I'm Ryan Landrath and I am a very sad Kamlpool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Cam, you've bounced back and forth a little bit
Speaker 1: on your perception of the twenty twenty four to twenty
Speaker 1: five Jayhawks. So how you feeling now? How you're feeling
Speaker 1: after a seventeen point loss.
Speaker 2: I think I've come to the realization. So there's like
Speaker 2: multiple angles that we can take with the show. Number one.
Speaker 2: Ryan's probably gonna take the take of, Hey, you know,
Speaker 2: there was a six point game with five minutes to
Speaker 2: go and they just got boat raced in the last
Speaker 2: few minutes. I'm gonna take the angle of same problems
Speaker 2: as last year significantly better team than like last year, however,
Speaker 2: the same problems are still there. And we've seen this
Speaker 2: movie before, So I'm a little bit towards the side
Speaker 2: of I think the season is trending in a direction
Speaker 2: to where, yeah, they're gonna win a bunch of games
Speaker 2: in a row, but the offense is not gonna do
Speaker 2: anything for me in terms of the NCAA tournament. So
Speaker 2: that's kind of where I'm at.
Speaker 1: I think that's a relatively it's a great blend of
Speaker 1: rational and also realistic while also not being a blind homer,
Speaker 1: which I'm going to attempt to do. I've leaned towards
Speaker 1: the Homer take over the years, mainly because and it
Speaker 1: doesn't just come from a place of like I like
Speaker 1: Kansas basketball, which I do. It more so comes from
Speaker 1: I have watched the final product work well way more
Speaker 1: often than it hasn't. With Bill self, normally it they
Speaker 1: figured it out in some capacity more often than they don't.
Speaker 1: I turned on the Iowa State Kansas game from twenty thirteen.
Speaker 1: It's on a YouTube video on my TV right now,
Speaker 1: the one where Elijah just went off in that building. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just trying to get trying to get some good energy
Speaker 1: here put into this show so I will enjoy watching
Speaker 1: and the offense. It's the first TV timeout and the
Speaker 1: offense already has nine points. They're already like twenty percent
Speaker 1: of the way of how far last night's team went
Speaker 1: in a full game like that. This is a different
Speaker 1: sport I'm watching on my television right now.
Speaker 2: They probably have half as many three pointers in that
Speaker 2: first TV timeout as Kansas did yesterday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they did they. I think Iowa State made sixteen
Speaker 1: or seventeen that day, and I don't know if Kansas
Speaker 1: has made that many in conference play if we're being honest.
Speaker 1: All right, let's blow the air horn and talk all
Speaker 1: about the twenty twenty five edition of Kansas v. Iowa
Speaker 1: State at Hilton, which did not go as well as
Speaker 1: some in the past. Final score Number two Iowa State
Speaker 1: seventy four, Number nine Kansas fifty seven. We kind of
Speaker 1: feared that. But the combination of that atmosphere and that
Speaker 1: team that Kansas was going up to play, as well
Speaker 1: as some recent history that the ingredients were in place
Speaker 1: that it might snowball little bit on them should things
Speaker 1: not go well at any point in the game. And
Speaker 1: That's exactly what happened. Cam, tell me the game story.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The difference in AIMES on Wednesday night was the
Speaker 2: final few minutes of each half. In an ode to
Speaker 2: Kansas football, I always State turned the very even first
Speaker 2: half into a ten point halftime advantage with an eight
Speaker 2: to zero run over the final two minutes and the
Speaker 2: second half, Kansas clawed its way back and trilled fifty
Speaker 2: seven to fifty two five minutes left. The play of
Speaker 2: the night was when IOA State missed two free throws
Speaker 2: and Hunter Dickinson failed to get the rebound. To be honest,
Speaker 2: it did not look like a lot of effort was
Speaker 2: put into that rebound. The Cyclones made a three on
Speaker 2: the ensuing possession and they ran away from that point.
Speaker 2: The final result was a seventeen point loss. That wasn't
Speaker 2: indicative of how close the game was, but it does
Speaker 2: expose the problems that Kansas has had closing out halves.
Speaker 1: Yep. And my first question to you is, all right,
Speaker 1: what how how big of a deal are we gonna
Speaker 1: make this one? Like I won't even give you two,
Speaker 1: three options or whatever. Just how big of a deal
Speaker 1: are we making that one?
Speaker 2: I mean, in the scope of the entire season. It's
Speaker 2: not that big of a deal, but I do think
Speaker 2: it is kind of highlighting the same problems that we
Speaker 2: saw last year with this team. I texted the group
Speaker 2: chat earlier today that my main takeaway from this game
Speaker 2: is that Kansas kind of lacks the dog mentality that
Speaker 2: they had during the twenty tens under self, when you
Speaker 2: had teams like the Josh Jackson team Frank Mason team,
Speaker 2: those teams would go into tough environments and it wasn't
Speaker 2: an expectation that they would keep the game close. It
Speaker 2: was expected that they would win. Yesterday, during that game,
Speaker 2: I never had a single second where I thought that
Speaker 2: they were actually going to come out on top. Even
Speaker 2: when it got down to four points, I still was like,
Speaker 2: what's gonna happen next, Who's gonna make a backbreaking three pointer?
Speaker 2: And that's exactly what happened. So, Yeah, Kansas will be fine.
Speaker 2: They're gonna win twenty six games in the regular season
Speaker 2: and whatever it is. But the same issues are still
Speaker 2: there and the rotations don't make any sense.
Speaker 1: Ryan, I agree with what you just said. We're definitely
Speaker 1: gonna talk about the rotations. We're gonna talk about the issues,
Speaker 1: But you mentioned at no point in that game didn't
Speaker 1: feel like a game campas was gonna win, in large
Speaker 1: part because the dog mentality the team hasn't been as
Speaker 1: aggressive or hasn't been as efforty as they have been
Speaker 1: in the past. Was the feeling that what makes you
Speaker 1: so sure that the reason that you felt like you
Speaker 1: never had a feeling that were gonna win, what makes
Speaker 1: you so sure it was because of that and not
Speaker 1: because they were playing a top two team that hadn't
Speaker 1: lost a home game in two and a half years
Speaker 1: on their home floor, because.
Speaker 2: That was a Good's a fair question. Me, Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: a fair question. I think it's because we've seen this
Speaker 2: team lose badly in tough environments so much in the
Speaker 2: last two seasons. I mean, you think about the game
Speaker 2: last and this isn't a fair comparison, right because they
Speaker 2: were without Kevin McCuller, But you think about the game
Speaker 2: last year at Houston, just games where it's a big game,
Speaker 2: it's a big opportunity and it tends to swing in
Speaker 2: the other team's favor late, and to me, that was
Speaker 2: the biggest difference. And granted a lot of that came
Speaker 2: from I was stayed making tons of three pointers. That's
Speaker 2: also something that we've seen under tons of Billsolf losses.
Speaker 2: But again, I think part of it is just we've
Speaker 2: seen this happen so much with this core group of
Speaker 2: guys that it just seems like a recurring theme. If
Speaker 2: that makes sense.
Speaker 1: No, it does. It definitely makes sense. The words make sense.
Speaker 1: I don't think you can put this game in that
Speaker 1: same category. We've seen many of those aforementioned blowout losses.
Speaker 1: They had the Texas Tech game around this time last year,
Speaker 1: the Houston game. We saw it happen to even Creighton
Speaker 1: and Missouri games that they fell behind big early and
Speaker 1: everybody questioned the effort and the grit and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: and they just wound up not winning the game. I
Speaker 1: don't think this one fits in that category. They were
Speaker 1: right there, down by four points through thirty five minutes
Speaker 1: on the road. And look, I also understand if you're
Speaker 1: listening to this and you're screaming this is the number
Speaker 1: one team, this is Kansas or the preseason number one team,
Speaker 1: just merely being in a game is not exactly the
Speaker 1: bar we're going for here. You have the expectation to
Speaker 1: win every game when you're a preseason number one team
Speaker 1: at a program like I get it. However, over the
Speaker 1: course of a season, this is probably the most difficult
Speaker 1: game on Kansas's entire schedule. It's definitely not one that
Speaker 1: you realistically would have bet on Kansas winning entering it,
Speaker 1: and they were within five points with with five minutes left.
Speaker 1: It got away from him at the end. I think
Speaker 1: that the final score looks a lot more lopsided than
Speaker 1: the game really was. And you know, it's it's totally
Speaker 1: fair for you to say, well, it's a seventeen point loss,
Speaker 1: and you sent that tweet last night that said, like
Speaker 1: the forty percent of their double digit losses underself off
Speaker 1: coming the last like three years, So fair point. Fair
Speaker 1: point for me to not have a great mound of
Speaker 1: evidence in my favor saying this one's different, because this
Speaker 1: Cores has found ways to lose more blowouts than a
Speaker 1: lot of other Kansas themes. However, I don't know they've
Speaker 1: still they had won three in a row before this.
Speaker 1: We had just seen him scrap one out on the road.
Speaker 1: This same dog mentality that people have been clamoring to see.
Speaker 1: You saw it against Cincinnati. I don't know that's just
Speaker 1: kind of my two cents. I'm not gonna make a
Speaker 1: big deal out of it.
Speaker 2: You know what's kind of funny to think about. I
Speaker 2: just thought of this. The twenty twenty two team had
Speaker 2: that insane blowout loss to Kentucky at home, and I'm
Speaker 2: pretty confident during that stretch everyone assumed that that team
Speaker 2: wasn't going to do anything. Yeah, you could kind of
Speaker 2: make the case here, but I think the biggest difference
Speaker 2: is the fact that that team had three NBA players.
Speaker 2: This team I can't say the same about. Granted, I
Speaker 2: also think some of the best players aren't playing that much.
Speaker 2: And again, if things turn around in a short period
Speaker 2: of time on the offensive end, if the rotations get
Speaker 2: figured out, they are so solid defensively, I think they're
Speaker 2: number three in Ken Palm right now, but the offense
Speaker 2: is what forty fifth. If they can turn that around
Speaker 2: even just a little bit, this team will be fine.
Speaker 2: But it's just we've seen this before and it's kind
Speaker 2: of the same theme as last year, just with more depth.
Speaker 1: Yes, if you're going to make if you're going to
Speaker 1: make a comparison for this team, you gotta go with
Speaker 1: the twenty six team. Team because that was the one
Speaker 1: that was at the same point in the year actually
Speaker 1: ironically lost that Iowa State to lose three out of five.
Speaker 1: They started five and three in conference play, and then
Speaker 1: they won out the rest of the regular season, won
Speaker 1: the Big TeV Tournament, steamrolled three straight teams in the
Speaker 1: NCAA Tournament, and ultimately lost the Nova game that I
Speaker 1: told you on your way to the game, they'd be
Speaker 1: just fine. That's the comp you need to make with
Speaker 1: this team if if you have if you're a glass
Speaker 1: half full guy. Because that team wasn't loaded with pros either.
Speaker 1: It had Devonte Graham and Frank Mason right but before
Speaker 1: they really blossomed into full on superstars. That team was
Speaker 1: juiced by Perry Ellison Wayne Selden, neither one of which
Speaker 1: were NBA players. But so you had that roster that
Speaker 1: had they had a better offense than this one. That
Speaker 1: offense snuck its way into the top fifteen at the
Speaker 1: end of the year on Ken Pom. But that team
Speaker 1: was all about defense. They were They finished third in
Speaker 1: Ken Palm that year on defense. This year's team currently,
Speaker 1: as you said, ranks number three. That's the comp if
Speaker 1: you want a glass half full team. It's that if
Speaker 1: you want a glass half fifty, it's probably last year
Speaker 1: where they were still like seventeen and three through twenty
Speaker 1: games and then we just four fell out underneath it.
Speaker 2: So and this team is so much better.
Speaker 1: I think they are too. And I think this team
Speaker 1: the difference is that the same thing with the with
Speaker 1: last year and this year is the pieces aren't fitting together.
Speaker 1: The difference is, I think this team has the pieces
Speaker 1: that can to this point in the year, they haven't.
Speaker 1: I think the ingredients are there. The coach saying the
Speaker 1: coach is washed and it's time to move on, and
Speaker 1: all these things I've seen on Twitter. The guy won
Speaker 1: a national championship two and a half years ago, like
Speaker 1: that just seems the calls for Bill Self to be replaced, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he hasn't figured out the nil are exactly what
Speaker 1: do you want? Nobody wins more in the power leagues
Speaker 1: than Bill self does. Like I'm gonna give him the
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt here. I understand the hesitants, but
Speaker 1: pump the brakes a little bit, Tom, isn't you I'm
Speaker 1: not not talking to you, by the way, you haven't
Speaker 1: said anything ridiculous talking to like the fan base that
Speaker 1: that is like, oh my gosh, they're falling out of
Speaker 1: blue blood status, Like good.
Speaker 2: Lord, no, no, they're completely fine. Tom Izzo hasn't won
Speaker 2: a title since two thousand and they've had probably the most.
Speaker 1: Towers were still up when tom Izzo won a title.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, TSA wasn't a thing. And then on top
Speaker 2: of that, they've had a majority of their seasons within
Speaker 2: the last five six years look a lot like the
Speaker 2: ones Kansas had last year. And yep, kind of what's
Speaker 2: happening this year, So Kansas is fine.
Speaker 1: They I would argue that Kansas's season last year was
Speaker 1: substantially better than like five or six seasons tom Izzo
Speaker 1: has had in the last couple a four seed.
Speaker 2: Like people like his average seeds. Probably his average seed
Speaker 2: is probably a four seed, just me spitballing here, but I.
Speaker 1: Bet it's lower than that, consider if your counting tournaments
Speaker 1: as like the average tournament seed. Probably, but that probably
Speaker 1: doesn't even factor in how he's made the few tournaments. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the thing. I saw a couple of people on
Speaker 1: Twitter say this team's gonna be just like last year's
Speaker 1: come March, that team was a four seed, Like if
Speaker 1: that's the doomsday scenario here, one of the sixteen best
Speaker 1: teams heading into the NCAA tournament. Yeah, it's gonna be okay. Now,
Speaker 1: there are some doubts here, and we're gonna talk about him.
Speaker 1: But my pet peeve that I want to lead off
Speaker 1: is people saying that the effort sucked. We obviously all
Speaker 1: saw the hunter Dickinson. There were a couple different times
Speaker 1: that he didn't go for a rebound as hard as
Speaker 1: fans would have liked him to on miss free throws,
Speaker 1: and both times they bit Kansas right in the asset
Speaker 1: led right to five points. On those two points, we
Speaker 1: saw it. There were plays you could go back and
Speaker 1: rewatch and in every single game you're gonna see moments
Speaker 1: where a guy doesn't grab, doesn't dive on the floor, like, oh,
Speaker 1: we could have the Cam Newton play in the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl comes to mind. Everybody watched that from the one
Speaker 1: angle and thought, oh, he didn't die the way I
Speaker 1: thought that he should have dove, So outrage over effort.
Speaker 1: Let's not talk about this team not trying, because Bill self,
Speaker 1: who knows this team far better than everybody else who's
Speaker 1: listening to this show, who doesn't listen to the show
Speaker 1: and is a fan of this show, a fan of
Speaker 1: the program. Rather, bill Sell said that this week had
Speaker 1: been some of the best effort and he had seen
Speaker 1: such an uptick in specifically guys like Dickinson and Adams's effort.
Speaker 1: So going on Twitter and being like, these guys don't care,
Speaker 1: These guys don't care what it means to have Kansas
Speaker 1: on the front of their jersey. No, you can lose
Speaker 1: a game to a top two team and not play
Speaker 1: very well. You can say that they didn't play well.
Speaker 2: They didn't.
Speaker 1: They played poorly on offense and the defense had moments
Speaker 1: of breakdowns. But saying that they don't care, saying the
Speaker 1: effort sucks, do you do you with your eyeballs think
Speaker 1: this effort is worse than the strongest effort team you've
Speaker 1: ever seen. I think every every player I've ever watched
Speaker 1: play for Kansas cares with every fiber that they have.
Speaker 1: And sometimes the execution isn't there. That doesn't mean the
Speaker 1: effort and the heart aren't there.
Speaker 2: No, I think I think the effort in the hearts Thereah,
Speaker 2: the Dickinson rebound was a bad look, but part of
Speaker 2: it too. You have to if you look at the
Speaker 2: play of the ball was basically dribbling towards going out
Speaker 2: of bounds. It very well might have actually been out
Speaker 2: of bounds when the when the Iowa State players saved
Speaker 2: in on the baseline, But.
Speaker 1: It was very close. I rewatched that play a couple
Speaker 1: of times wondering did was that real close? And yes,
Speaker 1: you're right, of course you want Hunter Dickinson, all seven
Speaker 1: two of them, to dive on the floor after it.
Speaker 1: But what happens if he dives on the floor and
Speaker 1: it bounces off his hands and goes out of bounce
Speaker 1: slong winto the ground. I'm not trying to defend Dickinson
Speaker 1: with everything, but it's like if he are going to
Speaker 1: specifically pinpoint one play or two plays in a in
Speaker 1: an hour and fifty five minute real time basketball game
Speaker 1: and say, well, you could have tried harder here. You
Speaker 1: could definitely go back to those twenty and fifteen sixteen years,
Speaker 1: the year everybody wants him to be like and find
Speaker 1: those moments too, like plenty of them. Yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: let's talk about the defense.
Speaker 2: Sure, Cave's defense is pretty good. Overall, they forced thirteen
Speaker 2: turnovers and held the Cyclones to forty one percent from
Speaker 2: the floor. Of course, I always say, did shoot sixty
Speaker 2: two percent from three, which is eight for thirteen. Several
Speaker 2: of those were Curtis Jones going off. Kansas problem was
Speaker 2: the offense just five for sixteen from deep, minus ten
Speaker 2: on the glass, and seventeen turnovers themselves. I am convinced
Speaker 2: you could strap Stephen Hawking to an artificially powered wheelchair
Speaker 2: and give him a basketball and he would go six
Speaker 2: for six in Hilton against Kansas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Curtis Jones was ridiculous. It's a little easier to
Speaker 1: swallow knowing that he's arguably the Big twelve player of
Speaker 1: the year right now. He's been fabulous, but he was
Speaker 1: on and whenever you have a top three Big twelve
Speaker 1: player going off for one of the best nights they've
Speaker 1: ever had, it's not gonna be good. And like, there's
Speaker 1: also some offsetting there. Kansas did a decent job against
Speaker 1: everybody else. They got a break without dealing with Mom Sildovich,
Speaker 1: who was hurt before the game. But let's talk about
Speaker 1: the first off the things and that you said, I'm
Speaker 1: not concerned about this team's been good guarding the three,
Speaker 1: and they were fine guarding it yesterday, like the three
Speaker 1: point defense sucks tweets were very quiet because everybody could
Speaker 1: see you that they were watching a guy just go ridiculous.
Speaker 1: In otherwise it was fine and the turnovers. Not concerned
Speaker 1: about the turnovers. This is one of the best teams
Speaker 1: in the country at taking care of the basketball. They
Speaker 1: went on the road in the toughest environment they're gonna
Speaker 1: play all year and played a team that historically forces
Speaker 1: a lot of turnovers, and I thought it got better
Speaker 1: throughout the course of the game. I think they had
Speaker 1: eleven turnovers in the first half and only six after halftime.
Speaker 1: Turnovers happen sometimes in tough environments. Well, we are concerned
Speaker 1: about other rotations because wow, was Bill's self trying everything
Speaker 1: and nothing words. The big three of Hunter, Dickinson, kJ
Speaker 1: Adams into one Harris. They combined to make seven baskets
Speaker 1: in eighty eight combined minutes, which is obviously a huge
Speaker 1: problem that cannot happen. But they also combined, in case
Speaker 1: you need more stats, for eight turnovers, which is more
Speaker 1: than the baskets they made, and fourteen miss shots. Three
Speaker 1: fifth Yer seniors cannot do this. I guess cag is
Speaker 1: not a fifth year. So there's kJ fifth twenty two.
Speaker 2: I don't think he.
Speaker 1: Is whatever whatever. Plenty of experience between these guys to
Speaker 1: be better than that. So okay, talk about the rotations.
Speaker 1: What did you see? What did you not see? Obviously
Speaker 1: that was a main talking point. A lot of people
Speaker 1: aren't happy with it, and I think they have every
Speaker 1: reason to not be very happy with with those decisions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think the biggest thing to take
Speaker 2: away here, and again this is me being kind of
Speaker 2: pessimistic in general. I don't think any of these I
Speaker 2: don't think Dwan Harris, kJ Adams or Hunter Dickinson are
Speaker 2: inherently the problem themselves. They're all very good basketball players.
Speaker 2: I think the issue is they just do not fit
Speaker 2: well together, and especially when they're playing against really athletic teams.
Speaker 2: I just worry that Bill's self is going to put
Speaker 2: loyalty towards some of his players over potential performance. And
Speaker 2: in terms of the rotations, like it didn't make any sense,
Speaker 2: Like where was Ryland Griffin in the second half?
Speaker 1: I mean that's been a recurring problem too. That's a
Speaker 1: recurring problem. Ryland Griffin didn't play in the first thirteen
Speaker 1: minutes of the second half, Self is continuously opting for
Speaker 1: guys like David Coyit to play in front of him,
Speaker 1: and even aj Store got run late that I'll be
Speaker 1: at that was just kind of on the in the
Speaker 1: garbage time, almost like, okay, what is Bill self going for?
Speaker 1: You obviously goes for trust. He didn't play Shack More
Speaker 1: nearly as much as he had, which clearly the defense
Speaker 1: was okay even with Shaq off the floor, and I
Speaker 1: think Self quickly realized that playing More and Harris together
Speaker 1: wasn't working very well on offense either. Harris didn't play well.
Speaker 1: I'm okay seeing lineups with Harris out at whenever he's
Speaker 1: not playing well. And you know, here's the fascinating part
Speaker 1: with Harris is he scored what did Harris have? Eight points?
Speaker 1: Like that's basically what he averages, and the team scored
Speaker 1: fifty seven points, Like Harris's average nights are are contributing
Speaker 1: to the team not not scoring a lot of points.
Speaker 1: You notice it more whenever guys like Hunter and Zeke
Speaker 1: have off nights. But if the team scores fifty seven
Speaker 1: points and they got an average amount of point from
Speaker 1: their point guard, their point guard isn't scoring enough. kJ, Well,
Speaker 1: we'll get into it. kJ. I think in the first
Speaker 1: half you could argue did enough non scoring things to
Speaker 1: warrant playing time. I thought he played fine in the
Speaker 1: first half. Hunter Dickinson, in my opinion, was the biggest
Speaker 1: problem in the game. He was the one that you
Speaker 1: felt the most hit. His poor play was notice the most.
Speaker 1: If you want to talk about his stats, we can
Speaker 1: kind of get.
Speaker 2: Into this a little bit. Yeah, Hunter Dickinson was head
Speaker 2: to have held to a season low six points in
Speaker 2: twenty nine minutes, going just three for ten from the floor.
Speaker 2: He also failed to shoot a free throw. He finished
Speaker 2: with eight rebounds and two blocks. He had four turnovers.
Speaker 2: The play everybody's talking about was but he didn't go
Speaker 2: all out for rebound on Iowa States miss free throw
Speaker 2: was turned into an offensive board and a dagger inducing
Speaker 2: three by the Cyclones.
Speaker 1: Tough night for Dickinson, really tough night for Dickinson. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna sit here and make a lot of excuses
Speaker 1: for him. I'll give him one one excuse. This is
Speaker 1: a pretty tough matchup for him. Iowa States is their
Speaker 1: blend of height and athleticism, and before people say, well
Speaker 1: that's basketball, it is but Iowa State has put a
Speaker 1: lot of guys in a blender this year. They have
Speaker 1: a great defense. They've they're fifteen to one, like I
Speaker 1: mean they are. This is what they've done to teams
Speaker 1: all year. Kansas needed Dickinson and the problem and you
Speaker 1: know that I've been a pretty staunch Dickinson defender. Here's
Speaker 1: the problem with him. When Kansas really needs him a
Speaker 1: little more often than not, he's no showed in some
Speaker 1: big halves when they fall behind, he does kind of disappear.
Speaker 1: They need him to be a guy, especially considering how
Speaker 1: frequently they run the offense through him. They need to
Speaker 1: be a team. He needs to be a guy that says, hey,
Speaker 1: we're down ten, give me the ball. I'll make shots
Speaker 1: on back to back possessions. All of a sudden, we're
Speaker 1: down six, get another stop. I'll draw a foul, maybe
Speaker 1: hit a free throw to keep working us climb back.
Speaker 1: Dickinson really has disappeared whenever the team has fallen behind
Speaker 1: by more in this case, and that's my main problem
Speaker 1: with him. This is a tough matchup for him, But
Speaker 1: I posted a halftime when they were down ten. Can't.
Speaker 1: This is a big half for Hunter Dickinson. He needs
Speaker 1: to will them back a little bit and get involved
Speaker 1: in this top ten matchup. He only made one bucket
Speaker 1: in the second half. That's the problem, and I get
Speaker 1: why fans are frustrated that they're I'm all American center
Speaker 1: in these big He's great. Hunter Dickinson is great when
Speaker 1: you are playing from ahead, when you are playing from behind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's he's disappeared a little more often than then.
Speaker 1: I think I've given him than than I've than I
Speaker 1: pointed out in the past. I don't know how fair
Speaker 1: is all that.
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty fair. I will say that is
Speaker 2: the one criticism that I heard from Michigan fans back
Speaker 2: when he was playing at Michigan was that he's very
Speaker 2: very good in games against Rutgers, but when you play
Speaker 2: against the big name schools and big games, he typically disappears.
Speaker 2: I hope that's not the case, but we've seen this
Speaker 2: a few times. He did have a bad game, he
Speaker 2: had a tough matchup. I'm not too concerned about him.
Speaker 2: I think he's still If you don't have Hunter Dickinson
Speaker 2: on this team, this team is incredibly worse. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it is concerning he did not have a
Speaker 2: good game. Even some of his passes, like outlet passes
Speaker 2: and just kind of passes in general, were pretty sloppy,
Speaker 2: So it just didn't look like he was all there.
Speaker 1: They sped him up clearly. Their their goal was to
Speaker 1: speed him up, and he's not comfortable having to play
Speaker 1: super fast. I think he's actually adjusted a little bit.
Speaker 1: We've seen a little bit more of that downhill driving
Speaker 1: kind of attack from him in the last couple games
Speaker 1: that he really wasn't doing very much of until conference play.
Speaker 1: But certainly like that's the sort of thing that teams
Speaker 1: know that he's been in college for so long, teams
Speaker 1: know exactly how to scout him. We have seen him
Speaker 1: whenever you say he's against the big competition, he hasn't
Speaker 1: always been great. He had that's not to say he
Speaker 1: hasn't had games like he's had the Kentucky game last year.
Speaker 1: He's had a couple of conference games TCU comes to
Speaker 1: mind last year wherever he really puts the team on
Speaker 1: his back and and he he can win you games.
Speaker 1: He's not a complete no shower against any team you've
Speaker 1: heard of, but more often than than you would expect
Speaker 1: for a guy with these expectations. We need that guy
Speaker 1: to help will you back sometimes, and I can't think
Speaker 1: of a time Hunter Dickinson willed them back other than
Speaker 1: the Kentucky game last year.
Speaker 2: I put it this way, I think that there's a
Speaker 2: common theme in almost all of Kansas's losses, and it's
Speaker 2: that Hunter Dickinson has a bad game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh for sure, and that's that's a little bit selfish.
Speaker 1: Like that also makes sense because when anybody's a eighteen
Speaker 1: and eleven guy has a bad game, it's gonna hurt
Speaker 1: the team a lot. But you're completely right. The exception
Speaker 1: to that, statistically would be the Missouri game, where he
Speaker 1: did put up a lot of numbers. However, he didn't
Speaker 1: play well in the first half when they were getting slammed.
Speaker 1: We obviously saw him shut down pretty good against Creighton,
Speaker 1: he didn't play particularly well against West Virginia, especially on defense,
Speaker 1: and then in this game his worst game of the year.
Speaker 1: There are three l's, four l's and all like that
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. I guess we probably also
Speaker 1: have to talk about kJ kJ Adams four points, just
Speaker 1: one for five from the floor, six rebounds, four assists
Speaker 1: in threeenty twenty four minutes. Look, I will give him
Speaker 1: credit for his better free throw shooting in his rebounding,
Speaker 1: and he does have. He made a handful of plays
Speaker 1: in the first half. From a hustle perspective. I know
Speaker 1: he missed a couple of layups in consecutive in succession,
Speaker 1: but wow, he does did he make a couple of
Speaker 1: plays that only he can make. But if you're gonna
Speaker 1: play twenty four minutes on the road against the top
Speaker 1: two team, you gotta make more than one basket. As
Speaker 1: Kansas's fore man, he injured his right shoulder early in
Speaker 1: the second half. Looked really bad. We wondered about a
Speaker 1: collarbone or at minimum joint sprain. He actually came back
Speaker 1: in a few minutes later, but then reinjured it and
Speaker 1: left for good after that, which is I have questions
Speaker 1: why they put him back in the first place, if
Speaker 1: it was that easy to reaggravate. Bill self said after
Speaker 1: the game, they don't have a lot of information here,
Speaker 1: but Kansas will be quote very lucky if he doesn't
Speaker 1: miss time. My takeaway on kJ as the offense made
Speaker 1: a couple of runs without him, and right whenever fans
Speaker 1: were clamoring at the bit to say, see, they're better
Speaker 1: without kJ than a run that probably doesn't happen with him,
Speaker 1: happens whenever they fell apart defensively late and it got
Speaker 1: away from him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like the ultimate glue guy. He was everywhere
Speaker 2: on the court in the first half. I mean, he
Speaker 2: was saving loose balls, getting offensive it just he was everywhere.
Speaker 2: But you do need more scoring out of him if
Speaker 2: he's gonna play that many minutes. Hopefully he's not injured
Speaker 2: to too badly. I think it'll be interesting to see
Speaker 2: what happens against Kansas State with him probably not playing.
Speaker 2: Is He is an important part of this team. It's
Speaker 2: just a question of where he fits in the rotations.
Speaker 2: And I do not envy Bill self for having to
Speaker 2: figure that out.
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about that thing, because we're obviously not
Speaker 1: Bill Salt, but we have thoughts. Okay, let's say that
Speaker 1: kJ is not playing, Kj's out against k State. Who
Speaker 1: are you starting in his place? I assume you're saying
Speaker 1: Ryland Griffin. Yeah, I would agree, and I suspect that
Speaker 1: would be who Bill goes with. I could also see
Speaker 1: it being aj Store because he's a little bit more
Speaker 1: of your typical six foot seven. He's played the four before.
Speaker 1: Griffin certainly hasn't, but it would be just solely based
Speaker 1: on positioning at that point. So without Kju, I assume
Speaker 1: you want Dickinson and Flory combining for their what fifty
Speaker 1: five sixty minutes? Zeke Mayo's playing thirty five, Dewan's playing
Speaker 1: thirty That gets you a one hundred and twenty something
Speaker 1: like that, and then you want Griffin out there for
Speaker 1: what twenty five thirty minutes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I just I want to see Ryland
Speaker 2: Griffin playmore. He is, He's he brings more than just
Speaker 2: shooting of the team. When you have a three point
Speaker 2: shooter that's tall, athletic, you spread the floor and it
Speaker 2: takes way more of the defensive attention to him, which
Speaker 2: opens up the lane for Hunter Dickinson. We've talked about
Speaker 2: this a bazillion times, but he needs to play more,
Speaker 2: and I also think he has potential to be one
Speaker 2: of their offensive best players. He's also really good at
Speaker 2: taking into the cup. That's something that Kansas has lacked.
Speaker 2: They're dead last and free throw at at free and
Speaker 2: it's just it's it's unbelievable for a team that was
Speaker 2: supposed to be just a jug er, not offensively, to
Speaker 2: have a team that is dead last and free throw
Speaker 2: it's up rate, it's it's insane.
Speaker 1: It's very weird. Like yes, and the stat you're referencing,
Speaker 1: Kansas is dead last out of three hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: four Division one teams. They have the worst free throw
Speaker 1: rate of any team in college basketball. And that considering
Speaker 1: how you mentioned, like, that's the sort of stat that
Speaker 1: you would anticipate from like that twenty eighteen team that
Speaker 1: shot a lot of threes. This one plays inside and
Speaker 1: they can't. So like this year, I'm looking at the stats,
Speaker 1: Kansas has attempted one thoy and twelve field goals, and
Speaker 1: you take the three pointers out, that's three hundred and thirty.
Speaker 1: So they've attempted six hundred and eighty two twos and
Speaker 1: they have they have only shot two hundred and one
Speaker 1: free throws, So that is three point four two point
Speaker 1: basket attempts for every one free throw that they're making. Now,
Speaker 1: if you want some statistics to go back to, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go back to twenty thirteen because the first thing
Speaker 1: that I thought of a guy who drew a lot
Speaker 1: of fouls was Jeff WII. That year's team took let's
Speaker 1: fit let's see here. That year's team took thirteen to
Speaker 1: twenty eight threes, and they took seven hundred and forty
Speaker 1: eight free throws. So that is one point seven to
Speaker 1: seven two point baskets for every free throw attempted. This
Speaker 1: year's team is double that, three point four two point
Speaker 1: attempts for every free throw taking. Yeah, that's not a
Speaker 1: good way. That explains the fifty seven points.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then also it's it's not even that they're
Speaker 2: just taking two pointers. It's the fact that they're not layups.
Speaker 2: They're like contested mid range jump shots or shots away
Speaker 2: from the rim, and that is that is the problem.
Speaker 2: It's spacing. It's just it's so obvious.
Speaker 1: Several times too. Aj Storer did this. He made it,
Speaker 1: but we've seen guys do this several times where they
Speaker 1: pass up a semi open three to get a order
Speaker 1: shot that's worth two points. It's like, why, just yes,
Speaker 1: we'll run it. And we talked about some of these guys.
Speaker 1: So Ryland Griffin got nineteen minutes, but most of it
Speaker 1: was in the final eight. Most of it took kJ
Speaker 1: getting hurt to get him out there. For nobody could
Speaker 1: figure out why he couldn't get in the game. In
Speaker 1: the second half, he scored seven points on three for
Speaker 1: four shooting. The offense definitely is better with Ryland Griffin
Speaker 1: in the game. The defense may not be. Aj Storer
Speaker 1: did get ten minutes, but filed four times and took
Speaker 1: a couple of terrible shots. He finished with five points.
Speaker 1: One was a jumper in the first half. That was
Speaker 1: not three were whenever the game was over. David Koit
Speaker 1: didn't score in seven brutal minutes. He has had a
Speaker 1: rough conference play so far, and Rickie's passmore got seven
Speaker 1: minutes of statless run. When Bill chose death over playing
Speaker 1: a center with two first half fouls, oh my god,
Speaker 1: what the hell was that? Damn I'll give you the
Speaker 1: floor in a second to talk all about Griffin and
Speaker 1: all that, but Hunter Dickinson, and I'm not saying Hunter
Speaker 1: was the right choice for this game. Hunter Dickinson averages
Speaker 1: one foul in twenty one minutes this year. That is
Speaker 1: less than two fouls per forty. You could have him
Speaker 1: have three fouls in the first half, and you could
Speaker 1: have three fouls in the first half, and statistically he
Speaker 1: still wouldn't fall out playing every second the rest of
Speaker 1: the way. He does not need to be auto benched.
Speaker 1: And Bill self was like, I guess we're just gonna
Speaker 1: ride until the floor falls out. He put Hunter back
Speaker 1: in whenever they fall behind eight. It's like, why why
Speaker 1: are you playing that long without a center for someone
Speaker 1: who so hasn't to play everybody else? Like, that's insane, man,
Speaker 1: The two foul auto bench rule is idiotic. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: just my take on that. I know you want to
Speaker 1: talk about Griffin.
Speaker 2: Yeah I do, But I also want to say I
Speaker 2: think three out of three out of every four buckets
Speaker 2: that I see AJ Storm make is like the Chris
Speaker 2: Paul makes a big three to cut the lead to
Speaker 2: forty two.
Speaker 1: Meme can't think of a consequential shot AJ Store has
Speaker 1: North Carolina.
Speaker 2: I can't think of one. Uh, it's not great. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I know, Ryland Griffin, God, please just playing more. Just
Speaker 2: give him some run.
Speaker 1: Who do you want him to play over? I assume
Speaker 1: it's quit.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's quite And David Quot's a really good
Speaker 2: player too. But Ryland Griffin's a six six foot six
Speaker 2: wing that can shoot and drive.
Speaker 1: No, David Koit isn't David Kuoit doesn't get the Dewan Harris. Well,
Speaker 1: if he's not shooting, he still does other that. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that already. They have a point guard
Speaker 1: that they say it about, and they have a four
Speaker 1: man that they say that, I'm not doing that with
Speaker 1: somebody else. So David kit in conference play in five games, okay,
Speaker 1: he's averaging thirteen minutes. In those five games, he scored
Speaker 1: five total points five That is one point zero per
Speaker 1: game while shooting ten percent from the flour and seven
Speaker 1: seven percent from three. Five. Charlie Moore is an All
Speaker 1: American Compared to that, David Coit has played sixty four
Speaker 1: minutes in conference play. He's one for fourteen shooting threes.
Speaker 1: He's two for twenty from the floor. He's ozer for
Speaker 1: two with the free throw line. Gosh, yeah, no that
Speaker 1: that this this cannot happen. He is he's a good
Speaker 1: shot creator and he brings value to a team. He's
Speaker 1: a ball handler off the bench. He cannot play over
Speaker 1: Ryland Griffin. If your offense isn't gonna get out of
Speaker 1: the fifties, that's that's asinine. Like I don't care how bad.
Speaker 1: Griffin is on defense, Coy is worse on offense, and
Speaker 1: you have other players on the floor that are supposed
Speaker 1: to help you defensively.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll just I'll never understand the whole thing of
Speaker 2: what's going to the transfer portal. Let's get a high
Speaker 2: level transfer that played on a Final four team, and
Speaker 2: then let's not play him over a five foot seven
Speaker 2: shooting guard that shooting seven percent from three?
Speaker 1: Trust, man, It's all about trust.
Speaker 2: What what are we doing? And I'm look, I'm a
Speaker 2: full full imbecile. I am an idiot. If you listen
Speaker 2: to the show, you know I'm fully fledged stupid. But
Speaker 2: I know that's a dumb choice, Like what are we doing?
Speaker 2: Playing well? Put them in the game.
Speaker 1: It's resulted in so much offense as Kansas had one
Speaker 1: hundred and eleven points. That's really exciting. You know any
Speaker 1: time the Virginia score one hundred and eleven point Oh
Speaker 1: oh wait, I'm I'm being told it was in two games.
Speaker 1: They're Virginia, dude, that's please don't say they're Virginia.
Speaker 2: They are. No, they are Statistically you know what I'm
Speaker 2: going on a rant here, statistics, This team is Virginia.
Speaker 2: They are. This team is twenty eighteen Virginia, which, yeah,
Speaker 2: they won a title. Congratulations, they had to burn a pig.
Speaker 1: Eighteen, I was that it was the one that lost
Speaker 1: to the sixteen seed. Nineteen is the title one in nineteen?
Speaker 2: I lost track of years. I'm old. But the point
Speaker 2: is the Ken Palm rating for Virginia's offense in that
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen season was number forty. They had the number
Speaker 2: one defense in the country. Kansas is currently number four
Speaker 2: forty five and Kenna Palm on offense number three in defense.
Speaker 2: They are the same team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the problem, well, one, Virginia played in easier
Speaker 1: League two. Virginia had a lot of breaks in the
Speaker 1: NCAA tournament to win that, which who doesn't it happens.
Speaker 1: And the other part with Virginia is their offense wasn't
Speaker 1: sexy to watch, but they played at such a slow
Speaker 1: pace that their numbers were always gonna lean a little worse.
Speaker 1: Kansas doesn't play that slow. Kansas gets way more possessions
Speaker 1: to have finished the same number of points. Yeah they are.
Speaker 1: They are the worst team in the country getting the
Speaker 1: free throw line. As we just said, Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 1: Point guards. Duwan Harris, I thought, for my money had
Speaker 1: a miserable night. He finished with eight points and seven
Speaker 1: assists in thirty five minutes, three for six shooting. The
Speaker 1: misses were brutal. There was a try to try to
Speaker 1: go to the rim on a one on four fast
Speaker 1: break that didn't work. He churged over three times shack
Speaker 1: more twenty two minutes and added four points and four rebounds.
Speaker 1: Some fans wanted more to run the offense alongside three
Speaker 1: wings when kJ went out, but self rode Harris for
Speaker 1: thirty five minutes, all the way to fifty seven total points.
Speaker 1: I think the one Harris is a really good basketball player. However, However,
Speaker 1: if Hunter, Dickinson and kJ Adams aren't gonna score, you're
Speaker 1: you know Harris isn't and they're sixty percent of your
Speaker 1: guys aren't non scorers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if two of the big three won't score, let's
Speaker 2: give it to the guy with a head band that
Speaker 2: won't shoot when he's wide open.
Speaker 1: Enough of the big three, I'm so over the phrase
Speaker 1: big three. When two of those guys don't score more
Speaker 1: they score Harrison.
Speaker 2: One of them is an undersized power forward and the
Speaker 2: other weighs like one hundred and forty pounds and whar's
Speaker 2: a head band? I don't think you can call them
Speaker 2: the Big three, dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, and the Big three. We're not laughing at
Speaker 1: the all American in here. I know people aren't thrilled
Speaker 1: about Hunter. But the guy that's averaging this year sixteen
Speaker 1: and eleven and that wasn't all American last year, he's
Speaker 1: not in the satire in the satire Big three category.
Speaker 1: It's the point guard in the fore Man that are
Speaker 1: averaging a combined like seventeen points this year while playing
Speaker 1: seventy combined minutes. That's yeah, when when forty of your
Speaker 1: minutes just about every game are getting you twenty points total.
Speaker 2: I just I really it. I stay up late at
Speaker 2: night wondering what Bill self is thinking sometimes, what went
Speaker 2: through his head of we saw this team suck last
Speaker 2: year with these three core players. Let's go get guys
Speaker 2: in the portal. But we're gonna damn sure rely on
Speaker 2: the same three guys that we saw phil miserably last year,
Speaker 2: because that's gonna make things way better.
Speaker 1: My guess for what Bill self is thinking, which is
Speaker 1: it is it is really that? Yeah, it's it's his
Speaker 1: It's his style of basketball, which he's won with in
Speaker 1: the past. Granted, offenses have gotten a lot better since then.
Speaker 1: My guess for what Bill is thinking is, Okay, last
Speaker 1: year didn't go. But Harris and Dickinson and Adams were
Speaker 1: all for the most part, good basketball players. Last year.
Speaker 1: They had fine stats. I don't think anybody thinks those
Speaker 1: any of those three were bad last year. I think
Speaker 1: he's thinking, I have three good players. The problem was
Speaker 1: everybody else, which I think is that was the biggest
Speaker 1: problem last year was the guy's playing the two and
Speaker 1: three once mccolor went down, So I'll just I'll go
Speaker 1: get shooters, and now he's got them, but he doesn't
Speaker 1: want to play him because that's the way more free
Speaker 1: form basketball than he's ever used to. Yeah, he's gonna
Speaker 1: have to adjust it at some point, which I believe.
Speaker 2: If he doesn't, I don't think he will. I don't
Speaker 2: think he will. I really think he will. Yeah.
Speaker 1: All he's done his own career is adjust He's won
Speaker 1: more games than really coach. Yeah. Yes, look, what would
Speaker 1: just think? Yeah, people said this about the eighteen team
Speaker 1: whenever he had all those three point shooters, and they're like,
Speaker 1: he's never gonna embrace it. And they did. They made
Speaker 1: a final four.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but they didn't have there's no chance. And
Speaker 2: I look, I hope I'm wrong. Someone's gonna listen to
Speaker 2: this podcast and be like Kim hatesusme. No, I love Kansas.
Speaker 2: I've been to Kansas faim my whole life. I think
Speaker 2: he's gonna ride these guys until they lose in the
Speaker 2: round of thirty two to two.
Speaker 1: Ye Oh, I'm not saying that won't happen. I thought
Speaker 1: you meant like long term, going.
Speaker 2: For a long term yeah yeah, yeah, No.
Speaker 1: No, I think eventually he'll find the right how to
Speaker 1: win in the transfer portal. Ye but no, this year,
Speaker 1: I and and I don't know what he's supposed to What
Speaker 1: is he supposed to do this year? Like how would you?
Speaker 2: What do you?
Speaker 1: What do you do? Like? This is the team he's
Speaker 1: built there halfway through a season where he's he's got
Speaker 1: a senior point guard, a senior center, and a senior
Speaker 1: fore man that he has played with for years and
Speaker 1: believes they can win.
Speaker 2: Like Harris win, I'm.
Speaker 1: A championship by the way, like they it's not. It's
Speaker 1: not a far cry from reality.
Speaker 2: No, he Harris can This team can win with Harris
Speaker 2: at point guard. They can win with kJ Adams contributing.
Speaker 2: But it's got to be with the right rotations, the
Speaker 2: right minutes.
Speaker 1: And what I think I think the thing with kJ
Speaker 1: is I think he's being put in an unfair position
Speaker 1: as well, because he loves Kansas, he loves being here,
Speaker 1: he wants to win here. He was made to be
Speaker 1: your Kevin Young come up off the bench for thirteen.
Speaker 1: How about Mitch Lightfoot from a few years ago. He
Speaker 1: was made to be in that role, come off and
Speaker 1: provide the energy. And something kJ can do that Mitch
Speaker 1: couldn't is actually put up numbers. kJ can do that.
Speaker 1: That's the role he should be in. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that he should be forced into that role this year
Speaker 1: for just anybody, because I don't think they went out
Speaker 1: and found the piece that you need to put him
Speaker 1: in that role, the piece that I would love loved
Speaker 1: them to go get as a stretch for like a
Speaker 1: Grant Nelson type at Alabama. A six foot nine guy
Speaker 1: that can rebound and shoot the ball and you sacrifice
Speaker 1: defense and athleticism right self, doesn't want that piece. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying you force kJ into being a sixth man
Speaker 1: simply because he would be best there because they don't
Speaker 1: have the other people. Like, who are you playing at
Speaker 1: the four AJ store? You can't serious at this point. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: like they They didn't self didn't put that roster together
Speaker 1: to maximize what I think is kJ strength. He may
Speaker 1: think that kJ strength is something else. But yeah, there's
Speaker 1: two guys that we haven't talked about. We don't really
Speaker 1: need to. Zeke Mayo was their best player. Seventeen points,
Speaker 1: seven for nineteen from the floor, three for nine from three,
Speaker 1: and thirty six minutes. They needed him to shoot a lot.
Speaker 1: He did. Nineteen attempts. He scored more than almost a
Speaker 1: third of the team's points by himself. He is fine
Speaker 1: and needs help.
Speaker 2: Yep, completely agree.
Speaker 1: Really good player, had a couple of dynamite three pointers
Speaker 1: where you're sitting there thinking, Man, I can't believe this
Speaker 1: guy grew up in Lawrence and the staff missed it
Speaker 1: until his last year in college.
Speaker 2: Yeah, completely agree.
Speaker 1: Tell me about Flory. He's the last one and there
Speaker 1: really hasn't a lot to talk about. But he great
Speaker 1: and flashes, but can't stay on the court.
Speaker 2: Yeah, foul troubles, we said before the game the floor
Speaker 2: was either going to be the X factor or guy
Speaker 2: that filed four times in eleven minutes. Take a guess
Speaker 2: of what happens. It was kind of both. Actually, he
Speaker 2: did foul four times in eleven minutes, but he was
Speaker 2: really impactful when he played, logging six points, four blocks,
Speaker 2: and three rebounds plus three turnovers in eleven minutes. He
Speaker 2: is going to be very good. I hope he's in
Speaker 2: Lawrence next year.
Speaker 1: Here's what I don't get with Flory. Florrie fouls almost
Speaker 1: exclusively when he's the only center on the floor, especially
Speaker 1: in these type of environments. Whenever he plays with Dickinson,
Speaker 1: he can go out a little further from the basket,
Speaker 1: and he uses his length to block more shots phel like,
Speaker 1: more of his jump shot phel Like. He blocks more
Speaker 1: as many jump shots as he has shots at the rim.
Speaker 1: He is at his best when he plays with Dickinson
Speaker 1: and Self. Albeit the first substitution Bill Self made was
Speaker 1: Flory forkj He went with the two bigs right away,
Speaker 1: Dickinson and Flory, and then he was real hesitant to
Speaker 1: use with the rest of way, probably because they both
Speaker 1: had foul trouble, but still that's the lineup I want
Speaker 1: to see utilized more. I want to see a point guard,
Speaker 1: two shooters, and both sinners. I think that's your best
Speaker 1: offensive lineup at the moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, can you imagine a lineup where it's like Florri
Speaker 2: Hunter Zeke Rylan.
Speaker 1: Point guard and throw Shack Moore out there because I
Speaker 1: thinks shooter than Harry.
Speaker 2: I agree, but it would have happened.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be as good defensively, and that lineup blows
Speaker 1: up if either center gets into foul trouble. But that's
Speaker 1: that's I would I think if I was on, if
Speaker 1: I was running the show, I think that would be
Speaker 1: my switch. And and we said earlier that we said
Speaker 1: earlier that AJ is probably gonna start with kJ out.
Speaker 1: No he won't. It'll be floor he self will start,
Speaker 1: but doonga alongside Dickinson and they will squash Kansas State
Speaker 1: and everybody will be like, Wow, why didn't.
Speaker 2: They just do that all year school? Yes?
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Do we have any other takeaways from this game? I
Speaker 1: think we did a pretty good job recapping it, keeping
Speaker 1: it level headed, but also not just being like it's okay,
Speaker 1: everyone loses there. I will say this they're three and
Speaker 1: two in conference play. I still think this team wins
Speaker 1: fifteen conference games. You look at the schedule, this was
Speaker 1: always going to be an l Whenever you're putting together,
Speaker 1: you're let me find somewhere between four and eight games
Speaker 1: they lose. This was always going to be one of them. So,
Speaker 1: just strictly from a looking forward perspective, next four games
Speaker 1: for Kansas, they have case State at home. They'll be
Speaker 1: a huge favorite. At TCU, they'll be a favorite there,
Speaker 1: and then back to back home. He was against Houston,
Speaker 1: very tough game, but you're at home and UCF big
Speaker 1: favorite at home. They should assuming there's not a home
Speaker 1: loss in there. Three and one at worst, you expect
Speaker 1: four and oh. That would get them to seven and
Speaker 1: two through nine conference games. I gotta think that's top
Speaker 1: two in the conference at that point going into February,
Speaker 1: and the road schedule is breaking a little better for
Speaker 1: Kansas than we thought. I think from a what you
Speaker 1: said earlier, I think they're gonna win a lot of
Speaker 1: big twelve games. This doesn't change that. However, what is
Speaker 1: becoming a little more pessimistic the problems regardless of how
Speaker 1: many games this team wins in league play, the problems
Speaker 1: are gonna be there going into the tournament regardless.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're going to be quote air quotes fine.
Speaker 2: In terms of the regular season, They're going to win
Speaker 2: a lot of games. That's never been concern with Big
Speaker 2: twelve play. Yeah, they'll probably be about seven and two
Speaker 2: before heading to Waco. I just I'm pessimistic in terms
Speaker 2: of the style they're playing on offense doesn't translate typically
Speaker 2: to a lot of postseason success. So yep, maybe they'll
Speaker 2: figure it out.
Speaker 1: That's the sentence right there. If you give them fifteen
Speaker 1: Big twelve wins, what would that be going twelve and
Speaker 1: three the rest of the way, which I think is possible.
Speaker 1: Let's give them eleven and four, just for a little
Speaker 1: bit more of maybe what's more realistic. So eleven and
Speaker 1: four would be what twenty three and eight, twenty three
Speaker 1: and eight entering the Big twelve tournament. Say they win
Speaker 1: two games there and then lose, that gets you to
Speaker 1: twenty five and nine entering the Big twelve Tournament. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think exactly are entering the NCAA's I think exactly
Speaker 1: what you just said is going to be what people
Speaker 1: say there good regular season a lot of quality wins,
Speaker 1: probably a three seed, but man, I just feel that
Speaker 1: sat one points exactly. Then you're crossing your fingers for matchups.
Speaker 1: Final score numbers here forty one percent from the floor,
Speaker 1: thirty one percent from three, a horrendous thirty six percent
Speaker 1: of the line. That's also not something we're super concerned about.
Speaker 1: This is a This is a good This team is
Speaker 1: good whenever it comes to uh, whenever it comes to
Speaker 1: making free throws. Not super concerned about that. They were
Speaker 1: minus ten on the glass. That was a problem, and
Speaker 1: they had seventeen turnovers, which is very, very bad. Overall,
Speaker 1: frustrating night for Kansas. The seventeen point loss makes it
Speaker 1: look worse than it was. And now they get to
Speaker 1: sharpen their teeth a little bit. With four winnable games
Speaker 1: coming up, we'll see how they bounce back by big
Speaker 1: twelve games. Well, Cam, if there's one thing that we
Speaker 1: can bet on, it's that no matter how poor Kansas plays,
Speaker 1: you know they won't be the worst team in the state. Because,
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, gracious, what happened in maybe this week?
Speaker 1: Faith Well Feed Families, Texas Tech sixty one Kansas State
Speaker 1: also known as on this amazing podcast as Them Bitches
Speaker 1: fifty seven Now Camp, Sam, If I told you right
Speaker 1: now that the game was tied with five minutes left
Speaker 1: and Texas Tech only scored four points after that, I
Speaker 1: know you're not great with math, terrible with math, But
Speaker 1: if you knew that those things were the truth, you'd
Speaker 1: have to probably like Kansas State's chances pretty good.
Speaker 2: Right, knowing nothing else in not having What if I
Speaker 2: had not watched the game? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What if I told you that with five minutes and
Speaker 1: fifty seconds left it was tied and then Texas Tech
Speaker 1: went on to score four points the rest of the
Speaker 1: game and Texas Tech won by four points? What would
Speaker 1: that tell you?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kansas State is now seven losses in their last
Speaker 1: eight games. They would have won if they would have
Speaker 1: scored five points in the final six minutes, and instead
Speaker 1: they scored a zero. And after the game, Jerome Tang says, man,
Speaker 1: we had such a great week of practice, so I
Speaker 1: like the direction our team's going. Well, we'll see, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go frog Allen. They haven't won up fog
Speaker 1: Allen since you and Landon were in preschool. I think
Speaker 1: so can't can't help but think that that's a great
Speaker 1: bet to end a couple of.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine the Twitter mentions of Rock Chalk Blog
Speaker 2: if Kansas State were to win at far this weekend.
Speaker 1: If Kansas State beats Kansas this weekend, it will be
Speaker 1: the ugliest podcast from a questions and morale perspective, And
Speaker 1: my eleven years on this show twelve.
Speaker 2: I will be ten medellos deep, speaking in Latin trying
Speaker 2: to form form sentences if that were to happen.
Speaker 1: And that would be a realistic thing to do, considering
Speaker 1: how awful Twitter will look and how awful that game
Speaker 1: would look if Kansas State wins. Can you even can
Speaker 1: you even imagine.
Speaker 2: What the what? Oh my gosh, how many.
Speaker 1: Points will Kansas score if they if you're told right
Speaker 1: now they forty eight? Oh my god, I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: it that Kansas saint losing ninety to eighty eight. If
Speaker 1: Kansas loses, it's gonna be like, yeah, like fifties. Well
Speaker 1: like the game he just watched, I guess BYU eighty
Speaker 1: five Oklahoma State sixty nine. Wow, this is now we
Speaker 1: enter our string of uninteresting Big twelve games.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the most interesting thing about this game was Oklahoma
Speaker 2: State scoring sixty nine points, which I believe that number
Speaker 2: was outlawed in Oklahoma until probably last year. Stily is Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 2: both teams kind of suck. Oklahoma State apparently sucks more.
Speaker 2: The Cougars ran out to a forty one to fifteen lead,
Speaker 2: they saw it close to close to fifty one to
Speaker 2: forty seven, and then ran out again to close it out.
Speaker 2: Trevin Nell scored eighteen. He made four to threes pro bo.
Speaker 2: Probably gonna be a sad night for the Jayhawks.
Speaker 1: Or similarly a sad loss. Yeah, this is a very
Speaker 1: sad sad Mitchel. So what are Kansas's remaining road games?
Speaker 1: They have seven left, and they have two brutal ones.
Speaker 1: They have at Houston and at Baylor. Baylor is not
Speaker 1: as daunting as it was a few weeks ago, but
Speaker 1: still that's a tough game. You gave him losses there,
Speaker 1: and then they have five others that they should be
Speaker 1: favored in. You have at Kansas State who is awful,
Speaker 1: you have at BYU who's subpar, you have at Utah
Speaker 1: who's not any good. You have at TCU who's not
Speaker 1: any good. And you have at Colorado, who's the only
Speaker 1: winless team in the league, Like, I don't think we're
Speaker 1: gonna be talking about the road woes after this year.
Speaker 1: They should get their fair share of road wins. But
Speaker 1: I don't know if BYU will be one goold.
Speaker 2: I man, No, they they should. They shouldn't lose to BYU.
Speaker 2: But again, Bill Soolf has at least one terrible road
Speaker 2: loss per season. That might be the one.
Speaker 1: We said last year that they shouldn't lose to BYU.
Speaker 1: That was terrible. Yeah, it's cost him a perfect home
Speaker 1: record if I remember correctly. UCF ninety five, Arizona State
Speaker 1: eighty nine. A lot of points here, A cool forty
Speaker 1: forty points from Keyshawn Hall, which is almost as many
Speaker 1: as UCF as a team scored against Kansas two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: He carried the Knights to a road win. UCF is
Speaker 1: three and two in league play. They have bounced back
Speaker 1: nice from that Jayhawk loss. Couple of wins in there
Speaker 1: in the last week or so. For UCF, they're over
Speaker 1: five hundred despite being a minus forty seven I believe
Speaker 1: and aggregate conference totals. That's yeah, that's something.
Speaker 2: I'm on UCF keep winning. We need that quality win.
Speaker 1: Bat Arizona eighty one, number twenty five, Baylors seventy. I
Speaker 1: don't feel like a single Baylor recap has been interesting
Speaker 1: this year. They've just been so they've just been terminally there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Baylor just kind of exists. Yep, just like Scott's hair.
Speaker 2: Baylor beats who they should. They never beat anybody that
Speaker 2: they're an underdog against. That's five losses for them already. Arizona, meanwhile,
Speaker 2: has won seven in a row. Caleb Love has learned
Speaker 2: how to read and is five and zer one conference play.
Speaker 2: Henry V. Sawer scored nineteen points off the bench. I
Speaker 2: don't think Arizona's actually five and oh good in conference play. Good,
Speaker 2: but man, their schedule kind of opened up. Well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if they're a team that they had a good though,
Speaker 1: they are good. They're definitely like we saw an unlucky
Speaker 1: four and five and non con We always kind of
Speaker 1: thought eleven and five probably felt about right for them
Speaker 1: through sixteen games. We didn't think that five wins would
Speaker 1: be conference games. I mean, you look at how much
Speaker 1: that needle swung. They lost to West Virginia in a
Speaker 1: non conference game and a tournament, and then they beat
Speaker 1: West Virginia in a conference game. A few weeks later,
Speaker 1: like this is a weird schedule, but if you look
Speaker 1: at Arizona, like you tell me, I know that this
Speaker 1: sounds kind of funny because Kansas always sucks in Morgantown.
Speaker 1: But Kansas would be five and oh against his schedule.
Speaker 1: I think Baylor would too. They have TCU, they have
Speaker 1: at Cincinnati, they have at West Virginia, and then UCF
Speaker 1: and Baylor at home. Like that, it's about to get
Speaker 1: tougher for Arizona. They go at Texas Tech and their
Speaker 1: next game that's TOFF at Oklahoma State, not a good opponent,
Speaker 1: but still a road game. Iowa State comes into Tucson
Speaker 1: here in a couple of weeks. They have to go
Speaker 1: at BYU that's not an easy environment, and then they
Speaker 1: have a game against Houston, Baylor, and Kansas and a
Speaker 1: road game at Iowa State. All in the closing weeks.
Speaker 1: I think the losses will be there, but five and
Speaker 1: oh is good good for Aroson. They should be ranked
Speaker 1: assuming that they can win their next game. Number ten
Speaker 1: Houston seventy West Virginia fifty four. The Cougars are now
Speaker 1: five and oher in league play, and they're another one
Speaker 1: that you look at who they've played, and they should
Speaker 1: be five and oh they have a much tougher back
Speaker 1: scheduled than front, but they outscrapped West Virginia. Here twenty
Speaker 1: two points from Juwan Roberts and another eighteen from LJ. Cryer.
Speaker 1: I feel like we've all kind of forgotten about Houston.
Speaker 1: Iowa States really sexy and they're the one seed right
Speaker 1: now and all that, but Houston is really really dangerous
Speaker 1: and they just are. They continue to win the same
Speaker 1: style they always do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll be a really tough game for Kansas. I
Speaker 2: also think it's funny because, if I remember correctly, rock
Speaker 2: Chalk Blog before I was on the show, So I
Speaker 2: take no credit for this hate it on Houston with
Speaker 2: every fiber in their body and said they were frauds,
Speaker 2: and then they joined the Big twelve and Thember were
Speaker 2: really good.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's exactly what happened. I'm glad that you have
Speaker 1: pay attention both before and after joining Rock Chalk Blog.
Speaker 1: I was wrong on Houston. That mainly stemmed from that
Speaker 1: mainly stemed from the Chris Reynolds stick, and it was
Speaker 1: ridiculous that Kansas was seeded to be low Houston. Now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but no, Houston. They joined the league and punched everybody
Speaker 1: right in the mouth. They won fifteen conference games in
Speaker 1: their first year in the Big Twelve. So much for
Speaker 1: being acclimated to anything. They crushed it and they have been.
Speaker 2: Just hard to hate they are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have a good coach, they have an entertaining
Speaker 1: style of basketball to watch guys buy into it. And
Speaker 1: what they were fifteen and three last year, so they're
Speaker 1: twenty and three in Big Twelve games thus far and
Speaker 1: their ten years as a conference member. Yeah, definitely very good,
Speaker 1: much less impressive. Both of these teams Utah seventy three,
Speaker 1: TCU sixty five. We knew that tc was bad, cam,
Speaker 1: we didn't know they were lose at home to Utah
Speaker 1: and a game they never led. Bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, TCU Jamie Dixon is what we like to call
Speaker 2: a welfare queen who collects checks and does not do much.
Speaker 2: TCU is one of the worst Big Twelve teams that
Speaker 2: you will ever see in Oklahoma State under Mike Boyton existed.
Speaker 2: They're also Kansas's next road game coming up next Wednesday.
Speaker 2: If Kansas loses that game, I'll probably walk into traffic.
Speaker 2: Seventeen points from Gaye manson Jamie Dixon probably all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta wonder what it would take, Like it's
Speaker 1: one of those are they gonna get anybody better takes?
Speaker 1: But also what have you done for me lately? Like did? Did?
Speaker 2: Did?
Speaker 1: Because TCU made the tournament last year, but they they
Speaker 1: lost quickly to Utah State, right because everybody was like,
Speaker 1: they might beat Purdue and then they didn't even get
Speaker 1: to Purdue. Uh they were they like and then I'm
Speaker 1: I remember a couple of years ago they should have
Speaker 1: beat Arizona. They had won a tournament game actually in
Speaker 1: each of the two years before that. But this is
Speaker 1: a team with two NCAA tournament wins in Jamie Dixon's
Speaker 1: entire tenure, Like it feels like it's insane, dude, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean this is his uh this is his tenth
Speaker 1: year at TCU, ninth year at tc they won two
Speaker 1: tournament games. Like it's also TCU. I don't know what
Speaker 1: you're expecting, but that's at some point it probably gets stale.
Speaker 2: Then there's the uh, he's a Michael Jordan of Bruce Webers.
Speaker 1: That's a great way to put it. I'm gonna steal
Speaker 1: that and tweet that here if I can do it,
Speaker 1: I don't care. I might wait. I might wait until
Speaker 1: Kansas wins there, but at least for now. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then there's atrocious game between two teams that hadn't won
Speaker 1: before it happened. Cincinnati sixty eight, Colorado sixty. The Bearcats
Speaker 1: finally won a league game, dropping the Buffalos. They are
Speaker 1: the last winless team in the conference. The Buffaloes are
Speaker 1: ower and five. They're at the bottom by themselves. Simas
Speaker 1: Lacotius hit a late three to help Cincinnati pull away
Speaker 1: and end their losing streak. I think we all kind
Speaker 1: of think Cincinnati is kind of the anti Arizona. We
Speaker 1: expect Arizona's record to even out a little bit in
Speaker 1: a bad way, and I think we expect Cincinnati's record
Speaker 1: to even out a little in a good way. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if this team finds its way back
Speaker 1: to about ten conference wins.
Speaker 2: They're significantly better than the record.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just the offense. Much like Kansas, it's the offense
Speaker 1: that is leaving all.
Speaker 2: The questions darkness.
Speaker 1: My old friend, it works out just fine in Colorado
Speaker 1: because the Buffaloes are awful. Big twelve standings last week,
Speaker 1: we had three undefeated teams. We still do, Houston, Iowa State,
Speaker 1: and Arizona.
Speaker 2: They're all five and zero, KYU, West, Virginia, Baylor, Texas Tech.
Speaker 2: All you see, all tied at fourth at three and two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't have anybody that's four and one at
Speaker 1: this point. We'll see, I'm sure we'll see some movement
Speaker 1: here soon. In ninth place, TCU, Utah and BYU, a
Speaker 1: random hodgepodge of teams there. They are all two and three.
Speaker 2: In twelfth place Kansas State, Arizona State, Oklahoma State, and
Speaker 2: Cincinnati at one and.
Speaker 1: Four, and then all by themselves. In lonesome sixteenth place
Speaker 1: is Colorado they are zero and five. Other games, there
Speaker 1: is a lot more carnage than there was the week before. Here,
Speaker 1: two top five teams went down at home on the
Speaker 1: same night. Disappointing that you've been told before this week
Speaker 1: two top five teams are gonna lose, and you probably thought, yay, Bill,
Speaker 1: but nope, not him. Yell. He didn't deliver one of
Speaker 1: those number twenty one old miss shock Number four Alabama
Speaker 1: seventy four to sixty four by forcing an ungodly twenty
Speaker 1: one turnovers, proving even good offensive teams can have awful
Speaker 1: nights sometimes, and Missouri upset number five Florida in Gainesville
Speaker 1: eighty three eighty two. Look at you, Tigers. That deserves this.
Speaker 1: The Tigers are fourteen and three overall. That is a
Speaker 1: better record than the Jayhawks, and they appear to be
Speaker 1: in a position to get in a large berth. Caleb
Speaker 1: Grill yes, still in college. Caleb Grill scored twenty two
Speaker 1: for Missouri. Really nice win for the Tigers. I think
Speaker 1: it was just their third ever Top five win on
Speaker 1: the road and their first since many many moons ago
Speaker 1: when they did it at Allen Field House in the
Speaker 1: early two thousands. Really impressive, like they are probably a
Speaker 1: tournament team this year.
Speaker 2: Sadly they are, and Caleb Grill is really annoying. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Elsewhere in the SEC, number one Auburn is sixteen to
Speaker 2: one after beating number fifteen Mississippi State by twenty two
Speaker 2: at home. Number eight, Kentucky took down to Wade Tailor
Speaker 2: less eleventh ranked Texas A and N team eighty one
Speaker 2: to sixty nine at Roup Arena number six. Tennessee shook
Speaker 2: off a rough start to power pass Number twenty three
Speaker 2: Georgia seventy four to two fifty six.
Speaker 1: Tennessee had to have that game. They didn't play well
Speaker 1: in either of their two games last week, the drubbing
Speaker 1: in Florida, they barely survived at Texas they needed it,
Speaker 1: and then they had a horrible first half against the Bulldogs,
Speaker 1: a hot Bulldog team. They looked really good in the
Speaker 1: second half, winning with defense. The Big Ten saw mostly
Speaker 1: more of the same this week. I had to edit
Speaker 1: this paragraph to mostly because we did see it earlier.
Speaker 1: Today it was saw all of the same. So number
Speaker 1: twelve Michigan State won an unexpected shootout with Penn State
Speaker 1: and Breslin, and number seventeen per Due took care of
Speaker 1: Washington on the road. However, I can't believe it happened.
Speaker 1: Can we get to play drop because your native Michigan
Speaker 1: Wolverines lost to Minnesota. They did eighty one in overtime.
Speaker 1: That is the That is the equivalent of Houston. Not really,
Speaker 1: but you know, for standings places, that's the equivalent. I'm
Speaker 1: kind of been losing at TCU.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, that is actually Minnesota. I told you guys
Speaker 2: on the last show of Minnesota is really bad. I
Speaker 2: watched them play against Ohio State. They're not good. So
Speaker 2: that's a horrible loss for Michigan.
Speaker 1: Yeah Villanova, not Villanova, please, no, that just came on
Speaker 1: my TV. Not them again. Minnesota hadn't won a league
Speaker 1: game yet, and then they take down an undefeated Michigan team.
Speaker 1: Such is the Big Ten. Your Spartans are probably the
Speaker 1: favorite in that conference.
Speaker 2: Now they might be. I think they're pretty good. I'm
Speaker 2: a little nervous. I think they're very good.
Speaker 1: They are very good. We'll see if it sticks. But
Speaker 1: you know who I do not believe they're gonna be
Speaker 1: challenged with here in their Big Ten conference is Indiana because,
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike Woodson, who is employed by the University of
Speaker 2: Indiana somehow, who also is shaped like mister potato Head
Speaker 2: and has the coaching skills in mister potato Head, drew
Speaker 2: the ire of the fans to the tune of fire
Speaker 2: Woodson chance. In the second half of an absolute boat
Speaker 2: racing by number nineteen Illinois put on the Hoosiers on
Speaker 2: Tuesday Night, the fighting a Line. I hung sixty in
Speaker 2: the first half. Oh count that's sixty points. That's more
Speaker 2: than Kansas will score in most of their games.
Speaker 1: It is more than Kansas this game.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and they want to winning ninety four to
Speaker 2: sixty nine. Nice but not so nice. Things are not
Speaker 2: good in Bloomington. And Mike Woodson is probably a wanted man.
Speaker 1: Why'd they bring back Mike Whitson? I remember it? You
Speaker 1: know they should fire him last year. Like we all
Speaker 1: knew this was gonna happen. This is a bill brings
Speaker 1: back the Big Three, sort of level obvious in the
Speaker 1: minds of some fans, like what did they expect to happen?
Speaker 1: They certainly did think he got sixty. He always recruise,
Speaker 1: he always getsruis Liam McNeely back the hell out of there.
Speaker 1: Sixty points in the first half. We all remember that
Speaker 1: that drubbing that Kentucky put on Kansas in the fog
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. That was fifty one first
Speaker 1: half points. Illinois put sixty on Indiana in the first half.
Speaker 2: That is inconceivable. I don't know how they Assembly Hall
Speaker 2: is supposedly kind of, you know, a little bit below
Speaker 2: Allen field House. Can you imagine that happening that Allen
Speaker 2: field House?
Speaker 1: No, And I can't imagine kand awful any blue blood
Speaker 1: still having a Mike Woodson as their coach. This needs
Speaker 1: to end and it's sad to see Indiana in that
Speaker 1: current state.
Speaker 2: Don't hire Uh yeah, don'.
Speaker 1: Don't do that. We're not even talking about the ACC
Speaker 1: anymore regularly on the show because number three Duke has
Speaker 1: a ninety nine percent chance to win the league. According
Speaker 1: to Ken Palm, the Blue Devils are fifteen and two
Speaker 1: after getting twenty five points from not from con Kannupple
Speaker 1: and a thrashing of Miami, who is having one of
Speaker 1: the worst seasons that a Power five team has ever had.
Speaker 1: No hyperbole on that one. Miami since November seventeenth has
Speaker 1: had two coaches and they've won one time. They are
Speaker 1: one in thirteen since November seventeenth. That is three and
Speaker 1: oh to four and thirteen really really hard to do
Speaker 1: from a team that was late Kansas surge from going
Speaker 1: to the Final four. Just company they were in the
Speaker 1: Final four two years ago, weren't they?
Speaker 2: Yep?
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure were there? You go, like just a complete
Speaker 1: fall from grace.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let you have this next one. I think
Speaker 2: you deserve it, all right.
Speaker 1: You know what I think I do too? I think
Speaker 1: I do too. I'm trying to find a fraud alert horn.
Speaker 1: See if I can a bomb alert up. Oh, there
Speaker 1: we go, there we go, there's your fraud alert horn
Speaker 1: going off, and was one of surprise. It's Porter Moser again.
Speaker 1: Well let's see what that loser did this week. Porter's
Speaker 1: Oklahoma Sooners. Well, they've played three ranked teams, but they
Speaker 1: got Texas at home, and we know Texas sucks. Rodney
Speaker 1: Terry can't coach his way out of a brown paper bag.
Speaker 1: Oh and they fall behind fifty one to twenty eight
Speaker 1: just a couple of minutes into the second half. Are
Speaker 1: you kidding me? Porter Moser. They wound up kind of
Speaker 1: clawing back and making a run, but they wound up
Speaker 1: losing by four. The Sooners are oh and four and
Speaker 1: none in SEC play after starting at thirteen and zero
Speaker 1: on the season. I legitimately cannot believe he is such
Speaker 1: a he is such a loser like this guy does
Speaker 1: this every single year. Nobody gags away conference games like
Speaker 1: Porter Moser does.
Speaker 2: Yes, sad, sad, sad loss.
Speaker 1: They were sad, sad, sad sad loss. Oh and four four.
Speaker 2: Sad loss or sad Landons Speaking of sad Landon's Landon
Speaker 2: might have trusted. I don't know if he did, but
Speaker 2: why would you trust Penny Hardaway on the road. Well,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you why, because temple exists. They scored eighty eight,
Speaker 2: Memphs scored eighty one, and he lost again on the road.
Speaker 1: And in this week's installment of did de Paul win? Oh? Well,
Speaker 1: survey says they did not, but they were right there.
Speaker 1: They led number seven Marquette by four with ninety seconds left,
Speaker 1: looking to pull the upset of the season would have
Speaker 1: been the upset of season in college basketball. But then
Speaker 1: all the Golden Eagles did was make two threes four
Speaker 1: silver time, and they ran away and ahead in the
Speaker 1: extra period. DePaul did make a couple of garbage time
Speaker 1: makes to lose by a more respectable eighty five eighty three,
Speaker 1: the opposite of Kansas, wherever they did not make it
Speaker 1: more respectable. DePaul is is losers now of thirty nine
Speaker 1: thirty nine straight conference games. That's almost one for every
Speaker 1: point Kansas scored the other day.
Speaker 2: As I I have no words, I yeah, how you're
Speaker 2: in Chicago, dude, Like there's good there's good players around here,
Speaker 2: Like do something.
Speaker 1: Instead they just get hammered every single day, right, since
Speaker 1: the last show. We got a lot of them today. Actually,
Speaker 1: Number four Alabama lost to an Old Miss team that
Speaker 1: is so well coached, and Chris Beard is a despicable
Speaker 1: person in a lot of ways. But whow can that
Speaker 1: man coach a basketball team that that That was a
Speaker 1: what he's done with old freaking Miss. He's made Mississippi
Speaker 1: a bona fide top twenty team into two.
Speaker 2: Years, beating the piss out of his wife in natoates.
Speaker 2: Number five Florida lost to Missouri.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it was funny and he did both of
Speaker 1: those things. Allegedly that is true, big time allegedly on
Speaker 1: that one.
Speaker 2: Oh man, uh Florida lost Missouri.
Speaker 1: Oh I got that one. I got? They lost to
Speaker 1: UH at number nine, damn it speaking of pain lost
Speaker 1: to the Cyclones three years in a row at Hilton
Speaker 1: Magic Yay.
Speaker 2: Number eleven Texas A and M and who I could
Speaker 2: definitely not name who their head coaches lost to Kentucky.
Speaker 1: It's buzz, isn't It isn't a buzz?
Speaker 2: I think it is buzz. I think it's buzz. That's
Speaker 2: the wrong buzz.
Speaker 1: You gotta put some respect down as is he did?
Speaker 2: Is he dead?
Speaker 1: His buzz all, I don't know he is. No, he's alive.
Speaker 1: He's ninety four. Wow, you go, buzz.
Speaker 2: He's basically dead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's probably a better bas he's basically dead.
Speaker 1: I couldn't name the Mississippi State head coach. They're next
Speaker 1: on this list. Number fifteen Mississippi State. They lost to Auburn,
Speaker 1: but who doesn't.
Speaker 2: Number eighteen Penny Hardaway lost to Temple, another.
Speaker 1: One that dropped her. Number twenty Michigan lost to.
Speaker 2: You might as well just run through the entire top
Speaker 2: twenty five at this point. Number twenty two Utah State,
Speaker 2: which is news to me that they were ranked, lost
Speaker 2: to UNLV.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of those every year. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: too whenever I put them on this list. Number twenty
Speaker 1: three Georgia lost to Tennessee. Weird to see them on
Speaker 1: that list.
Speaker 2: Yeah, bizarre. Number twenty five Baylor lost to Arizona.
Speaker 1: Baylor just Keeter totters back and forth between being ranked
Speaker 1: like twenty fifth and losing, and then they beat a
Speaker 1: ranked team the next show, and then they're right back
Speaker 1: to twenty five, and yeah, it's just a mess. And Landon.
Speaker 1: Landon was the loser and pick them last week, just
Speaker 1: eight and seven, continuing to get a little bit more
Speaker 1: sweat on the brow for what the Pickham punishment is.
Speaker 1: It's not a good one.
Speaker 2: Nope, don't do it, folks.
Speaker 1: BA. So we have a lot of ascarcbs, and I
Speaker 1: always try to get the ascarcbs done by the one
Speaker 1: hour twenty minute mark. So we're gonna go. We're gonna
Speaker 1: go as long as we can here until it's time
Speaker 1: to turn the page. Let's start with the nazy one here.
Speaker 1: There should be a one word answer at KU tweets
Speaker 1: and news. Is there any possibility of a Remy Martin
Speaker 1: like resurgence for AJ Store? Nope, didn't think so, not
Speaker 1: even a little bit. No, Remy was an eighteen hundred
Speaker 1: point score entering Kansas. Remy was an all big like.
Speaker 1: Remy was a borderline All American entering Kansas like he
Speaker 1: always had that ability.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's no hope for that. I'm sorry to
Speaker 2: break that to you.
Speaker 1: Store could play decently down the stretch. Is he gonna
Speaker 1: be a tournament X factor and win them NCAA games
Speaker 1: like Remy did? No, I'd be stunned that fair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not gonna happen. He's not gonna play in
Speaker 2: an NCAA tournament game.
Speaker 1: At Jayhawk Junkies were really on the LEDs here. Will
Speaker 1: this program recover in the next few years or say
Speaker 1: middling for eternity, it feels like our run of being
Speaker 1: a top tier school is over. Wow.
Speaker 2: Wow, I don't think it's that bad.
Speaker 1: Jayhawk Junkies is a good Twitter account. It is okay, buddy,
Speaker 1: it is okay. The first response is good Lord, which
Speaker 1: pretty much sums that one up. Yeah, they're gonna be
Speaker 1: just fine. They'll they'll go to the second weekend of
Speaker 1: the tournament this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know if i'd say that.
Speaker 1: Interesting question here at coach Underscore Chef, who was the
Speaker 1: better Kansas basketball player Hunter Dickinson or David McCormick.
Speaker 2: Hmmm, you take the answer first year.
Speaker 1: Dickinson's the better player. It's not that close. However, it's
Speaker 1: really weird to say that because McCormick hit quite possibly
Speaker 1: the second most important shot in the history of the school,
Speaker 1: with it being that turnaround hook shot like McCormick rose
Speaker 1: up in the last two games. But the hope for
Speaker 1: Dickinson is we never were talking about McCormick being a
Speaker 1: even an All Big twelve caliber player until the last
Speaker 1: two games of his career, still plenty of time for
Speaker 1: Dickinson to do something like that. And Dickinson's the better
Speaker 1: Kansas player regardless of how many of these moments he
Speaker 1: has than McCormick. But McCormick had the higher had the
Speaker 1: higher peak for sure, that's probably never getting topped.
Speaker 2: Agree, the only thing about Hunter Dickinson is he's a
Speaker 2: very slow player. And here's the random fact of the
Speaker 2: week that I know. I did not forget speaking a
Speaker 2: slow sloths. Did you know that sloughs are slow in
Speaker 2: every fast of their life. If they eat leaves, they
Speaker 2: have an incredibly slow digestive rate. It can take pretty
Speaker 2: much one day or even a week at times that
Speaker 2: complete their digestive system. And they're very picky when it
Speaker 2: comes to pooping. They make a journey from the top
Speaker 2: of a tree canopy all the way to the forest
Speaker 2: floor to poop.
Speaker 1: Really and sluts move very slowly. They could you could
Speaker 1: say they move slower than Hunter Dickinson.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, they do. It's insane.
Speaker 1: So I guess that that asked the Cobart the question,
Speaker 1: how far would you go to take care of business.
Speaker 1: If you were in the.
Speaker 2: Woods, I mean, dude, I'm if I'm in the If
Speaker 2: I'm at the point where I'm living like the unibomber
Speaker 2: and I'm hanging out on a tree, I'm just letting
Speaker 2: it rip. It doesn't matter at that point.
Speaker 1: Just make sure to look down. Make sure no one's
Speaker 1: blow you first.
Speaker 2: If someone's blowd dude, who's gonna be blow me? I'm
Speaker 2: living in the woods, that's true.
Speaker 1: Make sure there's no animals below you, like, don't don't.
Speaker 1: Don't give them a bad day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 1: Here's a good question at James D. Bedford. Do you
Speaker 1: think the trio of Dickinson, Harris and Adams will outscore
Speaker 1: the Chiefs on Saturday? For reference, those three are currently so.
Speaker 1: For reference, those three are currently averaging thirty three points
Speaker 1: per game on the season. But if Adams has excluded
Speaker 1: you to injury, Hunt and One average twenty five combined.
Speaker 1: The Chiefs just played the Texans and scored twenty seven.
Speaker 1: That's really funny. I would say that Hunter plus Adams
Speaker 1: plus Harris, even if Adams doesn't play, they should still
Speaker 1: out score the Chiefs because I think Hunter's gonna score
Speaker 1: like twenty five points, and I think Harris will get
Speaker 1: a few. I think the Chiefs are gonna thump the
Speaker 1: Texans too. The Chiefs are gonna win like thirty one
Speaker 1: to twenty or.
Speaker 2: Something like that. But completely agree.
Speaker 1: I mean, and also, would you take the four home
Speaker 1: teams this week in the NFL or any other result?
Speaker 2: I would take any other result because I don't really
Speaker 2: want to see the Lions play the Eagles.
Speaker 1: Uh No, I mean, like, would you bet on it?
Speaker 1: What's most likely?
Speaker 2: Oh? I think that is the most likely. Actually, although
Speaker 2: I could see Baltimore beating the Bills.
Speaker 1: Uh I, yeah, I see. I don't see that one
Speaker 1: as much everybody's. I think it's stupid that the Ravens
Speaker 1: are favored. That game's gonna be real cold, the Bills
Speaker 1: are tough at home. I think Buffalo is gonna win
Speaker 1: that game. But we'll we'll, I agree, it'll be It'll
Speaker 1: be good, and then we'll see how how the Arrowhead
Speaker 1: game goes between the Chiefs and the Bills. At that point,
Speaker 1: at Elliott Ruson h one to lighten the mood and
Speaker 1: hopefully get a laugh out of everyone. Here is my question,
Speaker 1: based solely off of Ryan's reaction to looking this up
Speaker 1: Landon and Campbell. Landa's not here, but camp can hold
Speaker 1: down the fort. Guess what Ryan's favorite coach Tony Bennett's
Speaker 1: points per game was in college? Oh? Man, I didn't
Speaker 1: know Tony Bennett as coach Alayer as a player. I
Speaker 1: didn't know he. I'm so excited.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna all right, and I know nothing here, so
Speaker 2: I'm maybe close. I may be completely off. All right,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with one point nine points per game.
Speaker 1: Wow, I just I just saw the answer, and I am.
Speaker 1: I am legitimately beside myself. That is wow. That's there.
Speaker 1: You go. That's my reaction. Can you guess?
Speaker 2: Is that what it is?
Speaker 1: That's no, it is the complete and total opposite. Tony
Speaker 1: Bennett averaged in one hundred and eighteen games nineteen point
Speaker 1: four points per game. Yes, he played before the three
Speaker 1: point line, but in four years at Green Bay, Tony
Speaker 1: Bennett scored two eighty five points.
Speaker 2: Doug Gottlieb was smiling somewhere.
Speaker 1: I don't get to think, Yeah, that's insane.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Tony Bennett from nineteen eighty eight to nineteen ninety two
Speaker 1: average nineteen seventeen twenty two and twenty points and he
Speaker 1: was gay. Yes, he is the two time mid Continental
Speaker 1: Conference Player of the Year. Wow, that is an awesome find. Uh,
Speaker 1: that is an awesome fine elliott. I Yeah, that I
Speaker 1: love that kind of question. I legitimately would have never
Speaker 1: known that, which makes it all the more amazing. Why
Speaker 1: they he coaches the way he does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well did rip yep?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he knew, he knew what was get out? All right,
Speaker 1: we got a five minute warning here, rapid fire. Now
Speaker 1: at me without and you how different would this team
Speaker 1: be if we were able to bring Riley Kougle on
Speaker 1: the team over Koight or Shack. Yeah. I kind of
Speaker 1: thought about that a little bit.
Speaker 2: Uh, not as much different, not different, not as much
Speaker 2: as you think.
Speaker 1: I think Google's at Mississippi State and he's averaging about
Speaker 1: the ten points a game he averaged at Florida last year.
Speaker 1: Like you know, he's he's he's a good player. But uh,
Speaker 1: I don't think it worked for a few reasons. And
Speaker 1: also Andy says, for fun, if you had three wishes
Speaker 1: for anything, what would they be? Standard wishrules apply. You
Speaker 1: cannot wish for love, and you cannot wish people back
Speaker 1: to life. So if standard rules apply, I guess we
Speaker 1: can't wish for one hundred more wishes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fair. I want a life size No, I want.
Speaker 2: Actually I can't say what I'm thinking. You go ahead.
Speaker 1: I am curious what that could have possibly meant, But
Speaker 1: I I do if we're strictly sticking to sports. Uh,
Speaker 1: if I can have any three wishes, I have three
Speaker 1: basketball players that I would love to see play. Can
Speaker 1: you guess.
Speaker 2: Wilt Chamberlain, Lebron, James Stephan Korea, Kansas.
Speaker 1: You're very very close. It was actually going to be
Speaker 1: a hunter Dickinson, kJ Adams into one Harris at Kansas.
Speaker 2: I'm oh, you get that wish?
Speaker 1: I wow, wish wish granted all less.
Speaker 2: With two NCAA tournament wins in a calendar year. What?
Speaker 2: I wish the energy drinks wouldn't kill my heart because
Speaker 2: I like them a lot. I wish that Chicago didn't
Speaker 2: have as much gun violence. I could walk down the
Speaker 2: street and feel safer. And then I also wish that
Speaker 2: it was warmer outside.
Speaker 1: Hey, that's that's three pretty good ones. I like that
Speaker 1: way to save it there at at dick Underscore Taser.
Speaker 1: I've been book marks by a lot of Iowa State
Speaker 1: fans by saying good, ready to come get your ass
Speaker 1: smashed in Lawrence here in February on Iowa stage Twitter,
Speaker 1: of course I'm right, but make your prediction. How many
Speaker 1: do you think Kansas will be Iowa State by? And
Speaker 1: Laurence say fifteen? Wow, that's okay. So that does feel
Speaker 1: like the game that could snowball on Iowa State a
Speaker 1: little bit. They're gonna Iowa State's gonna lose some games.
Speaker 1: They're a really good basketball team, but like they're going
Speaker 1: to lose some games. Here they almost lost the tech.
Speaker 1: They're not immune, and that does feel like a game
Speaker 1: where in home court home court stuff. I'll say Kansas
Speaker 1: wins that game by eight to ten points.
Speaker 2: I'll say they win by four. Also, I just saw
Speaker 2: a very confused looking Penny hard Away on my television
Speaker 2: screen while I watched them lose them at Odd Temple.
Speaker 1: So that's redundant. He's just taking He's just Penny Hardway
Speaker 1: what he looks like. Yet at Mayo Zeke Berner, do
Speaker 1: you see a path to a sixteen and four finish
Speaker 1: in Big Twelve? Play kind of think the defense and
Speaker 1: not playing store and quoit kept us right in it
Speaker 1: against the top three team in the sport. We're getting
Speaker 1: better and it starts with a seven man rotation. I
Speaker 1: agree they're getting at her, sixteen and four is hell
Speaker 1: a lofty. I think fifteen and five is the fifteen
Speaker 1: and five is the ceiling right now, and that's if
Speaker 1: they beat Iowa State and Houston at home, then you
Speaker 1: can only lose three more road games, which would be
Speaker 1: what they That would mean that they have to That
Speaker 1: mean they can go four and three on the road
Speaker 1: the rest of the way. That's not too bad, let's
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 2: I think fourteen and six.
Speaker 1: I I that's if they if they if they failed
Speaker 1: to win fifteen games. I think you're saying they lose
Speaker 1: at least one more at home because I don't know
Speaker 1: if the maths there with these bad teams are gonna
Speaker 1: play on the road.
Speaker 2: Agree. Yeah.
Speaker 1: At Preston's SKIRTSIK rate this meme and as irrelevancy as
Speaker 1: a picture of Bill Self saying oh, I have our
Speaker 1: Bill Self in the off season saying oh I have
Speaker 1: shooters now, and now Bill Self during the season saying
Speaker 1: they're on the bench, but we have them ten out
Speaker 1: of ten. It's accurate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, really really good.
Speaker 1: And another one from Preston wants to know how big
Speaker 1: of a gut punch was it when Kansas was playing
Speaker 1: well with Florian Hunter on the floor and then self
Speaker 1: opted to immediately send back in a hurt kJ right
Speaker 1: when he got back to the bench. Yeah, we talked
Speaker 1: about that like that, the Hunter k the Hunter Floory
Speaker 1: lineups need to be more featured. It was a big
Speaker 1: gut punch.
Speaker 2: Completely agree. I think that's one of their best lineups honestly.
Speaker 1: At show me Hawk. Let's say Kansas gets to fifteen
Speaker 1: and five or sixteen and four, but as a game
Speaker 1: or two short of winning the league, will the regular
Speaker 1: season still be viewed as a success.
Speaker 2: I think so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you win fifteen out of twenty Big twelve games
Speaker 1: just because Iowa State edges edges you out for a
Speaker 1: conference title. Yes, that's undoubtedly a success for sure.
Speaker 2: I mean winning the league now doesn't mean as much.
Speaker 1: Correct, Yeah, and league's so much harder, the schedule's not balanced.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, completely agree. Yes, if they go fifteen to
Speaker 1: five or better, yes, it's a major success, especially considering
Speaker 1: you started zero to one. And Jayhawk also says the
Speaker 1: fan base is very reactionary. It didn't play great, but
Speaker 1: the game was close for thirty six minutes. When the
Speaker 1: Big twelve schedule was came out, we're all penciling this
Speaker 1: and as a loss if we win our next four
Speaker 1: their STONEGA spot correct. That is completely correct. Good way
Speaker 1: to word that. A couple more here. If we don't
Speaker 1: get to it, it's just because I'm running to beat
Speaker 1: the men hour and twenty minute clock. At b Helsey's three,
Speaker 1: kJ plays like if Jamari thought he was Frank Mason. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. I think Kj's a lot better than some
Speaker 1: people give him. Plays a final tweet, he does want
Speaker 1: to ye know at Ryman underscore justin when does head
Speaker 1: coach Bill Self start thinking about next year's roster? At
Speaker 1: Jen J Hawk, I feel like coach Self can't get
Speaker 1: as emotional as he would a few years ago do
Speaker 1: to his heart condition, So we need somebody else to
Speaker 1: be the crazy person at KU that Bill can't and
Speaker 1: at DS. Yeah, bringing camp at DS conscious is Bill
Speaker 1: Self the guy you want KU coaching if the roster
Speaker 1: is this underwhelming? He has not been in the business
Speaker 1: of winning games an elite conference with any sort of
Speaker 1: talent deficit in a long time. All right, there's three
Speaker 1: Bill Self questions. Sort it all out for me.
Speaker 2: Yep, you want Bill Self as your coach, Hall of
Speaker 2: Fame coach, best coach in Kansas history. Can't remember the rest,
Speaker 2: but don't panic. They'll be fine. They'll be a three
Speaker 2: seed in NCAA tournament, probably losing the round of thirty two,
Speaker 2: and the next year will be better.
Speaker 1: Two we have we only have two lefts. So here's
Speaker 1: here's here you go at WBAJ hawk, how can you
Speaker 1: run a defense first team with hundred Dickons send in
Speaker 1: the lineup? Because the answer to that is really good. Well,
Speaker 1: and the answer to that is, yeah, they're a top
Speaker 1: three team on defense with Hunter in the lineup, like
Speaker 1: they have plenty of other players on the four, they're
Speaker 1: good defense. And then he says, how can you run
Speaker 1: offense effectively through Hunter and Harris Adams and more in
Speaker 1: the lineup? How does the talent fit?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Exactly, there you go. You're you're you're sacrificing. You're sacrificing
Speaker 1: what you don't have at this point. If you if
Speaker 1: you want to sacrifice some defense, you gotta have Hunter
Speaker 1: in there for the welcome.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It just it just that's the way it's gonna have
Speaker 1: to work at this point. And at Howard Lapan, when
Speaker 1: is Bill going to see what appears to be obvious
Speaker 1: to the rest of us. Yeah, we talked about that.
Speaker 1: Their last and free throw yep uh and very last question.
Speaker 1: I promise you're at Jayhawk underscore style. Will self make
Speaker 1: a change with who is playing the majority of the
Speaker 1: minutes on this team or will run it into the
Speaker 1: ground in between. I don't think you're gonna see a
Speaker 1: big change. I also don't think they're gonna be running
Speaker 1: to the ground nail bit. All right, look, let us
Speaker 1: go rapid fire mode. If you ever ask our CBS
Speaker 1: Twitter hashtag Gascar, come on now there you'll all right,
Speaker 1: it's time for a preview against none other than the Bees.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna play Sandstorm because they're not going to
Speaker 1: Manhattan yet, but I will play this. Oh it is Sandstorm. Sweet,
Speaker 1: let's go. I'll play a different one for you whenever
Speaker 1: we get some the Manhattan game.
Speaker 2: Has to be ready to run through a brick wall.
Speaker 1: Right, just like that Wildcats do whenever they get in
Speaker 1: that spot. Okay, Kansas State at number nine Kansas on
Speaker 1: Saturday at noon Oh yay, it's a noon CBS game
Speaker 1: at home. Those always go great for the Jayhawks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's definitely never been a letdown spot.
Speaker 1: I'm giving you the floor. I have a mouthful of
Speaker 1: water and I'll give you the floor.
Speaker 2: All right. Kansas State Jerome teams Kansas Say Wildcats have
Speaker 2: been one of college basketball's most disappointing teams this season,
Speaker 2: as they enter at seven to nine, of their best
Speaker 2: two wins this year being Cincinnati and probably George Washington
Speaker 2: College not the President. The Cincinnati game is their only
Speaker 2: win since December one.
Speaker 1: Kansas State has a smaller than usual starting five that
Speaker 1: sees six foot nine, two hundred and twenty pound David
Speaker 1: and Guison. Is it in Guison? That can't be right?
Speaker 2: I think it's Ghassan there.
Speaker 1: That's it. It's gotta be David and Ghassan lead the
Speaker 1: squad with thirteen points in seven rebounds. He shoots sixty
Speaker 1: five percent from the floor and has been the lone
Speaker 1: bright spot in a disappointing season for the team. Next
Speaker 1: to him is four man Coleman Hawkins, a frighteningly disappointing
Speaker 1: Illinois transfer, averaging eleven and seven. He's barely shooting forty
Speaker 1: percent from the floor. Remember they had at cor Corp.
Speaker 1: They're seven foot center who has been hurt since November,
Speaker 1: So these guys are kind of just thrown out there. Also,
Speaker 1: the movie Landon has finally responded about two hours on
Speaker 1: the podcast. He says that he saw Nickel Boys, which
Speaker 1: I did not know was a real movie. He could
Speaker 1: be making it up. He could be trolling us.
Speaker 2: You have no idea. The backcourt has point guard Doug McDaniel,
Speaker 2: whose name was misspelled by his parents, which also runs
Speaker 2: in the family because he cannot read. His nine points
Speaker 2: and thirty seven percent three point right, but he only
Speaker 2: starts when God tells Jerome Tang to do so we'll
Speaker 2: be curious to see what happens this week. I Think's
Speaker 2: gonna tell him to start his good point guard today.
Speaker 2: The yeah, he he he'll need it. White Guy of
Speaker 2: the Game candidate Brendan Howsen is a six foot four
Speaker 2: guard that averages twelve points. He is the team's best
Speaker 2: three point shooter at forty percent from three. CJ. Jones,
Speaker 2: Max Jones, and McCool boy.
Speaker 1: Mac macle is that rightleb.
Speaker 2: I don't know something In italics rich all get reserved minutes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Housing has turned into a really nice player under Tang.
Speaker 1: He hasn't had a lot of development in his tenure
Speaker 1: at Case State, when Tang hasn't with like developing guys.
Speaker 1: But but in this particular case, this is a case
Speaker 1: wherever a player has gotten better over the course of
Speaker 1: his career at Case State, Housing is a good player.
Speaker 1: The wild Cat's best metric is they're passing, They protect
Speaker 1: the ball, and they run opponents off the three point
Speaker 1: line pretty well. They have a decent defensive set of numbers,
Speaker 1: and they typically avoid foul trouble experience and guard heavy play.
Speaker 1: We'll do that for you. Offensively, things are an absolute
Speaker 1: horror show. They shoot under forty five percent from the floor.
Speaker 1: They're barely at thirty four percent from three. They're barely
Speaker 1: inside the top three hundred and rebounding a staple of Jerome.
Speaker 1: Tang has been crappy rebounding over his time there. They're
Speaker 1: almost also allergic are there also almost as allergic at
Speaker 1: drawing free throws as Kansas is, which means the refs
Speaker 1: are going to somehow oh real quick. By the way,
Speaker 1: let me go back to this hold on one second,
Speaker 1: here Campbell. Okay, b So you mass played a basketball
Speaker 1: game last night? Did you did you do you have
Speaker 1: any idea how that game went? Did you see so
Speaker 1: last night? You mass you mass one at Fordham one
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty to one hundred and eighteen, in a
Speaker 1: game where a dude scored forties eight points while throwing
Speaker 1: up in a trash can the whole game. It was ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Do you know where I'm going with this?
Speaker 2: Wasn't it? I don't know, I don't know the number,
Speaker 2: but the amount of free throw shot yep.
Speaker 1: It is the most free throws ever in a collegiate
Speaker 1: basketball game. It is the first time four.
Speaker 2: Guys foul out.
Speaker 1: I think they had nine guys foul out. I'm looking
Speaker 1: at here. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.
Speaker 1: Nine players fouled out, which is a record. There were
Speaker 1: seventy nine fouls and an unbelievable, impossible, awful, devastating, hair
Speaker 1: on fire one hundred and twenty two free throws.
Speaker 2: That is awful. I like six just not even college
Speaker 2: basketball at that point. That's just sad.
Speaker 1: Worst basketball game in the history of basketball, while also
Speaker 1: being really good. The overtime score was forty one to
Speaker 1: thirty nine, which is something something Kansas joke here. I
Speaker 1: don't know, just wanted to throw that there. Now back
Speaker 1: to Kansas, Burt. Let's go right back to Kansas and
Speaker 1: Kansas State. Who will see a combined twelve free throw
Speaker 1: shot in this game?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kansas State has served as a victim more times
Speaker 2: at Allen Field House than any other team in the country.
Speaker 2: Cutesphe Mikaylu Crip walking his way to the game. Any basket? Oh,
Speaker 2: I got yep, there you go. Bill Solva is twenty
Speaker 2: and one against the Wildcats, and Kansas has beaten their
Speaker 2: in state rival eighteen times in a row at home.
Speaker 2: Kansas State is one in twenty nine in their last
Speaker 2: thirty trips to Lawrence the Wildcasts. Wildcats have also lost
Speaker 2: eleven straight road games. What do you think happens?
Speaker 1: Well, the first thing I think happens is I bought
Speaker 1: so I'm cheap and you know prices are high here,
Speaker 1: So I bought the Walmart. Oh no, not to this game.
Speaker 1: This is completely unrelated. I'm just being stupid. So I
Speaker 1: bought the Walmart. The Walmart like twist up brand of
Speaker 1: Lemon lime soda like the Walmart brand is good Okay,
Speaker 1: it is really good. It tastes just like sprite V.
Speaker 1: But but after it's been sitting here for two hours.
Speaker 1: I opened at the start of the show. Now at
Speaker 1: the end of the show, it just tastes like lemons syrup,
Speaker 1: So it's not as good after it loses its crisp.
Speaker 2: Does it tastes like someone took a lemon through it
Speaker 2: across a room and just yelled pee.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know about the pee part, but I
Speaker 1: do eat lemons. Lemons are good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the lemons. What do you think about Kansas State?
Speaker 2: It's her home.
Speaker 1: Dang is a lemon? I guess in this game, look
Speaker 1: like we're not gonna try too much to analyze this,
Speaker 1: And this is our promise on the front part of
Speaker 1: this to not overreact when this eventually happens and act
Speaker 1: like that the planet is saved. Kansas is going to
Speaker 1: wipe the floor with Kansas. They are going to just
Speaker 1: obliterate and do naughty, not safe for work things in
Speaker 1: the Wildcats, I'm gonna say ninety to sixty six.
Speaker 2: I comp agree. I have Kansas winning by a lot
Speaker 2: eighty two to forty eight in the game. That is
Speaker 2: not close at all. In Jerome Tang does not shake
Speaker 2: anybody's hands.
Speaker 1: Out that that is true. That is that that does
Speaker 1: happen quite a bit with him. Uh but no, like,
Speaker 1: look like I know we're kind of picking a homer.
Speaker 1: Pick Kansas off a loss. Kansas is so much better
Speaker 1: at home. Uh, the defense for kh has been really good.
Speaker 1: Kansas State cannot score out all the state. Kansas State
Speaker 1: is a horrible road team. Like, yeah, Kansas should should
Speaker 1: have no problems here and whenever they have.
Speaker 2: Mickelson hates Coleman Hawkins.
Speaker 1: By the way, Yeah, those two don't like each other.
Speaker 1: That's not just the one way street either.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they hate each other. So I expect I I
Speaker 2: don't know, I wouldn't I kind of Here's here's I
Speaker 2: wish I could bet on this. I bet Hunter Dickinson
Speaker 2: gets a flager one in this game.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a good that's a good bet. It feels
Speaker 1: like it'll get shifty. Kansas is probably gonna be kind
Speaker 1: of pissed after the Iowa State game. And you know
Speaker 1: that well, I mean, you know what's gonna happen, Like,
Speaker 1: you've watched this game enough. Last year's Kansas team wasn't
Speaker 1: really that good. For Kansas standards, and they still blew
Speaker 1: out Case State on Senior Day.
Speaker 2: So yeah, no, it's not gonna be close.
Speaker 1: They should and if it is, then there are legit problems.
Speaker 1: I know that anyone can beat anyone in this conference,
Speaker 1: right you say that, but Kansas should have very little.
Speaker 1: This shouldn't be a game at halftime, like seriously, they
Speaker 1: need a step on their throat, and I think they will.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Other games Number ten, Houston at Central Florida. Are you
Speaker 1: betting on the Cougars to stay undefeated? Low key sneaky test.
Speaker 2: Here, No, they're They're definitely gonna win Houston.
Speaker 1: I think they win, but I think it'll be kind
Speaker 1: of close. And this is UCF's chance. They obviously had
Speaker 1: a chance with Kansas that did not go well. You
Speaker 1: have UCF coming to town now, and are you have
Speaker 1: Houston coming town now? Chance to announce yourself? If they
Speaker 1: win this game, I think they're in the driver's seat
Speaker 1: for a tournament bid. But I agree, I don't think
Speaker 1: they will. Arizona State at Cincinnati, we go with the
Speaker 1: Bearcats to win their second straight?
Speaker 2: I am yes, agreed.
Speaker 1: Arizona at Texas Tech, are you going with Arizona's who
Speaker 1: go to six and oh.
Speaker 2: I'm not this is where they take the first loss.
Speaker 2: Texas Tech at home.
Speaker 1: I agree, we all think that's how this one goes.
Speaker 1: Lubbock is really tough place to play, and I don't
Speaker 1: see him losing. Tune a row there. Arizona's due Colorado
Speaker 1: at Oklahoma State. Oh my gosh, I will say Colorado
Speaker 1: gets their first, their first road win.
Speaker 2: I think you're right. I'll tell oh Man, I'll take Colorado.
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State is sad. Number two. Iowa State at West Virginia.
Speaker 1: Interesting spot here Land and thinks that the Mountaineers pull
Speaker 1: the upset.
Speaker 2: What say you, I'm tempted. I don't think they do.
Speaker 2: I think Iowa State is really good.
Speaker 1: Okay, I will also pick the upset here. I think
Speaker 1: West Virginia takes down Iowa State just so hard to
Speaker 1: win them or all. And Iowa State has put so
Speaker 1: much emotion into their comeback in Lubbock, and then they
Speaker 1: come home and play Kansas like eventually, if this conference
Speaker 1: is as good as people say it is, then you're
Speaker 1: gonna get tripped up eventually. And I think this is
Speaker 1: where Iowa State takes a close loss. But certainly there.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't put money on it. B Yu at Utah
Speaker 1: also wouldn't watch this game.
Speaker 2: For me. We wore Maybe this.
Speaker 1: Is a fifty to fifty game. I will take the
Speaker 1: Cougars on the road.
Speaker 2: Utah just won a game. It's a riley, you know what?
Speaker 2: Give me Utah?
Speaker 1: All right, fire up the utes. They will that will
Speaker 1: be They'll be three in a row if they win. Right,
Speaker 1: they won, they beat they beat Oklahoma State, they beat
Speaker 1: TCU like they're they're feeling it right now. We'll see
Speaker 1: what happens. Maybe TCU at number twenty five Baylor. We
Speaker 1: all want the Bears. I don't know if I'll pick
Speaker 1: TCU this year. Yeah, really rough and other games. Number
Speaker 1: four Alabama at number eight Kentucky. Do the Crimson Tide
Speaker 1: bounce back at We're up? They crushed them last year?
Speaker 2: Oh boy? Uh sure? Why not give me? No? You
Speaker 2: know what you not give me? Bama? Screwt Natoates.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think this is this is
Speaker 1: the sort of game that they're really good teams avoid
Speaker 1: losing tu in a row. I think Bama bounces back
Speaker 1: and wins it rop I agree. Number one Auburn at
Speaker 1: number twenty three Georgia. That's tempting, but I will ride
Speaker 1: with the number one team.
Speaker 2: I'm still taking Bruce Pearl.
Speaker 1: Number seventeen, Perdue at number thirteen Oregon and a Big
Speaker 1: ten showdown. Eugene's a pretty tough place to play, and
Speaker 1: Purdue has been playing well. I say they get tripped
Speaker 1: up here.
Speaker 2: I agree. I don't think produce that good.
Speaker 1: And I yeah, I agree with I agree with the
Speaker 1: Oregon pick. I didn't ward it super clearly, but I'll
Speaker 1: go with the Ducks. Number twenty four Wisconsin, who will
Speaker 1: not have aj store at USC. Eric Musselman gonna get
Speaker 1: a win. I don't. I hate all things Wisconsin, so
Speaker 1: I say he does.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna actually follow suit here and take USC. I
Speaker 2: don't think either team is that good, but weird, weird
Speaker 2: place to play.
Speaker 1: Number six Tennessee at Vanderbilt. That's a rivalry, isn't it?
Speaker 1: Like that's a that's kind of a link. How good
Speaker 1: is Vanderbilt this year? Any good?
Speaker 2: It's Vanderbilt, dude, don't overthink it.
Speaker 1: Let's see Vanderbilt is fourteen and three. Let's see they
Speaker 1: lost to Missouri the other day. They're two and two
Speaker 1: in the SEC, which it's a good league. They beat
Speaker 1: TCU on the road.
Speaker 2: I'm taking Tennessee.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right. I think they're better. Number
Speaker 1: twenty one Old miss at number fifteen Mississippi State. I
Speaker 1: like State at home here will Miss off a big.
Speaker 2: Win yep, bounce back game form Mississippi.
Speaker 1: State and a really intriguing big ten game. Number nineteen
Speaker 1: Illinois at number twelve. Michigan State Spartans are the loane
Speaker 1: undefeated in the conference right now. Does it stay that way?
Speaker 2: I think it does. Signature win for tom As though.
Speaker 1: Agree they have been on fiery scent and they get
Speaker 1: another one. So our next show will be Sunday afternoon,
Speaker 1: where we will hopefully be talking about a big win
Speaker 1: for the jay Birds. They play the Wildcats this weekend.
Speaker 1: The Chiefs have a playoff game, The Lions have a
Speaker 1: playoff game. For you, Cam, I'm sure you're excited and
Speaker 1: not scared or terrified as all.
Speaker 2: Terrified.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean only the most terrifying rookie quarterback in
Speaker 1: the history of professional football coming in the year teams
Speaker 1: building here, I'm nothing could.
Speaker 2: Go wrong, right, I've seen this movie before.
Speaker 1: Well, we'll see, We'll be back after a weekend of
Speaker 1: sports and it should be pretty good. This is inside
Speaker 1: the paint. Thank you Cam for your dedication. Landon, we'll
Speaker 1: have back on the next show. All of us. Oh,
Speaker 1: of course, plasures all ours.
Speaker 2: I'm Ryan Lanson and I am a semi less said.
Speaker 1: Caam semi less sad than me or then you were
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the show.
Speaker 2: At the bend of the show talking about this is
Speaker 2: like there, oh, and we need this after Iowa State
Speaker 2: obliterates Kansas in the last five minutes.
Speaker 1: That's right. You can always count on us. You can
Speaker 1: always count.
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Speaker 1: Bye Landing.