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Speaker 2: with the show, all right, pick for Society. We've got
Speaker 2: the privilege of talking to mister Mike Smith tonight. I've
Speaker 2: been wanting to talk to Mike for quite a while.
Speaker 2: We had a quick, quick conversation at I believe it,
Speaker 2: Small Town Monsters Monster Fest two. Mike is an individual
Speaker 2: who has experienced multiple things in the lbl or laying
Speaker 2: between the Lakes area of Kentucky. So it's a pleasure
Speaker 2: to have you on the show tonight.
Speaker 3: Mike.
Speaker 2: How's it gone, sir?
Speaker 3: Hey, it's going great. I've been looking forward to this
Speaker 3: since we spoke, and I'm glad to be here.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, Mike. I'm going to go ahead, and I
Speaker 2: think we've got a lot of ground to cover, so
Speaker 2: I'm going to go ahead and give the reins over
Speaker 2: to You're welcome to bring us back to the very
Speaker 2: beginning when all this stuff started happening for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And you know, I've been on a few shows.
Speaker 3: Was privileged enough to be in there with a small
Speaker 3: town Monster group because of this experience. But I don't
Speaker 3: consider myself actually a researcher. I'm a hiker and a
Speaker 3: camper and a fisherman more than anything, but being down
Speaker 3: here in the land between the lakes basically my whole life.
Speaker 3: I feel like it was just bound to happen. I've
Speaker 3: always been interested in cryptids and paranormal and things of
Speaker 3: that nature, but had always also been the guy where
Speaker 3: I would need to see it to believe it. And
Speaker 3: back in twenty twenty, it's May tenth. I'll never forget
Speaker 3: it again. Big Fishermen's part of my life, part of
Speaker 3: the family's life. And we were out on the lake
Speaker 3: the day before, on May ninth, and it was springtime,
Speaker 3: so the weather was volatile and we just had a
Speaker 3: great Saturday and my infant daughter, it was bay. I
Speaker 3: think it might have been her first trip out. I
Speaker 3: know it was my wife's first trip out since COVID,
Speaker 3: and so that Saturday, man, it was such a neat time,
Speaker 3: and we got out on the main lake and when
Speaker 3: the water's low on Kentuckulate, there's sandbars and it's almost
Speaker 3: like being in a beach and the water's not warm
Speaker 3: enough you had to swim, but you could splash around.
Speaker 3: And I had my three daughters with me. Such a
Speaker 3: great day, so of course the Sunday came we wanted
Speaker 3: to go again, and man it was the wind was
Speaker 3: the main thing. And in Kentuckulate can get rough. It's
Speaker 3: a you know, you can see it on a map,
Speaker 3: so it's it's a pretty big lake. And I mean
Speaker 3: a map when you look at the entire United States,
Speaker 3: you can actually see those two lakes there, so it's sizable.
Speaker 3: And it got rough, and we went to this one
Speaker 3: little spot where I knew the wind the direction it
Speaker 3: was coming from, would not be a factor, but I
Speaker 3: wasn't sure good how good the fishing would be. And
Speaker 3: we drove down to two Mile Road. The boat ramp
Speaker 3: was closed actually, but there was a spot where they
Speaker 3: had put kayaks in and I put my boat in there.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you, I left my boat parked and my
Speaker 3: trailer in the water because I didn't want somebody else
Speaker 3: to come down and forced me to go around the
Speaker 3: federal barriers to actually get my boat out. And I
Speaker 3: ended up getting a ticket by the Force Service. But
Speaker 3: the events of the day that happened, I didn't really
Speaker 3: mind that. But anyway, we went out and tried to
Speaker 3: finish and it wasn't good. The waves kept us in
Speaker 3: this little cold so what we also liked to do
Speaker 3: is always have a fire and cook some hot dogs,
Speaker 3: and so we pulled up on a little rocky bank
Speaker 3: and it was not anywhere close to a beach. There
Speaker 3: was basically enough room for a meeting. It out my
Speaker 3: oldest daughter, she was the years fly by. She was
Speaker 3: fifteen or so at the time, and the little girls
Speaker 3: my wife and I had, I think my middle daughter
Speaker 3: was five or six there, and then, like I say,
Speaker 3: my youngest one was just an infant six seven eight
Speaker 3: months old. We did have her in life jackets and
Speaker 3: all the appropriate stuff, but they stayed in the boat.
Speaker 3: It was such a small little spot, and I built
Speaker 3: a fire and we were cooking hot dogs, and at
Speaker 3: one point I heard walking. And there's something called the
Speaker 3: North South Trail that runs through there, and I've done
Speaker 3: almost twelve all of it. It's divided into the north
Speaker 3: half and a south half, and I've done all of
Speaker 3: the north half multiple times. So it was in range,
Speaker 3: but somebody would have had to have been way off
Speaker 3: track to been walking up of where I heard them.
Speaker 3: So I just asked the girls to keep their eyes
Speaker 3: out and their ears open because I thought some people
Speaker 3: were coming up. And that's basically all that came of it,
Speaker 3: And so we were getting ready to leave, i'd say
Speaker 3: thirty minutes later, and our oldest daughter asked me, you know,
Speaker 3: what do you think happened to those people? And I said,
Speaker 3: I don't know. They probably saw that we were down here,
Speaker 3: it smell the smoke or something, and decided just to
Speaker 3: turn around. But I was getting ready to push the
Speaker 3: boat off. I've had to tie to a little tree,
Speaker 3: and we all heard a knock, a clear wood knock,
Speaker 3: and we'd all watch Finding Bigfoot in some of these
Speaker 3: shows that had been popularized by then, and you know,
Speaker 3: everybody just kind of looked up, and our oldest daughter said, Dad,
Speaker 3: what was that? And I thought it had to be
Speaker 3: people messing with this, So I said to her jokingly,
Speaker 3: well they'd say Bigfoot does that. When I look down,
Speaker 3: there was a stick I knew would be a good
Speaker 3: heart stick and would make a good knock. So it
Speaker 3: was just I took a knock on this little tree,
Speaker 3: and about one hundred yards down the bank, we heard
Speaker 3: another knock, and you know, they're kind of startled, and
Speaker 3: we had decided we were either going to go home
Speaker 3: or we were going to find another place to fish
Speaker 3: across this cove. But because we were hearing these knocks,
Speaker 3: we decided to go down the bank a little and
Speaker 3: look up in there where we heard the second knock
Speaker 3: and see what happened or what was going on. And man,
Speaker 3: I looked up in the get It's something you don't
Speaker 3: ever forget. I looked up there and there was a
Speaker 3: spot of sun that came all the way through the canopy.
Speaker 3: It wasn't real thick, but it was. There were leaves,
Speaker 3: but this sun spot was up there, and standing there
Speaker 3: was a bigfoot. And I said, there's bigfoot, and I'm pointing,
Speaker 3: and the girls where where? And I started. I had
Speaker 3: to watch the boat because we were getting close to
Speaker 3: some stomps and some logs and some sticks, and I
Speaker 3: didn't want to mess my prop up, so I was
Speaker 3: turning my wife where she could see it, and it
Speaker 3: actually ran away from where I turned the boat in
Speaker 3: the opposite direction, and I ended up. When I say turned,
Speaker 3: I'm basically spinning my boat in a circle in this
Speaker 3: small little cove. And so I spun around again and
Speaker 3: then it kind of came back towards us where the
Speaker 3: original knock was in the ridge we were on was,
Speaker 3: and they never could track it. It was so fast.
Speaker 3: I saw it going down into a gully and pull
Speaker 3: itself up. I saw its hand, and then it went
Speaker 3: on up into the trees, and the trees were shaking
Speaker 3: and the wind was blowing, but these trees were protected.
Speaker 3: And my oldest daughter did see the tree shaking because
Speaker 3: I was saying, you know, there's where it's going, where
Speaker 3: those trees are shaking, and we just kind of I
Speaker 3: put the boat in neutral and we drifted a little bit,
Speaker 3: and we're drifting down the bank and we're just kind
Speaker 3: of collecting our thoughts. I actually wanted to go across
Speaker 3: the lake and just fish a little more. You know.
Speaker 3: I was stunned, but I wasn't really scared. But as
Speaker 3: soon as I hit the engine, and so I was
Speaker 3: away from the bank, my ears ring all the time.
Speaker 3: It's called tonightis so I don't hear a lot of
Speaker 3: background noise, and I was turned looking away, which put
Speaker 3: my ear right to the engine. My girls were right
Speaker 3: on the bank and they both heard and what they
Speaker 3: described as guttural, frustrated screams, and they looked at each
Speaker 3: other at the same time and said each other, did
Speaker 3: you hear that? What was happening? My wife's hit me
Speaker 3: on the arm and she's saying get out of here,
Speaker 3: because something was still in the woods. It followed us
Speaker 3: down the bank and probably was not less than one
Speaker 3: hundred yards around the back of this code where my
Speaker 3: boat was sitting, where she thought that this thing might
Speaker 3: be coming around to meet us at the truck. So
Speaker 3: she was very, very adamant that we leave and get
Speaker 3: out of there. And as we were putting the boat
Speaker 3: on the trail, our vehicle was coming down the road
Speaker 3: and it was just a family. And so besides them
Speaker 3: and the obvious Force service people that we knew were
Speaker 3: there because of the ticket on my windshield, nobody else
Speaker 3: said you can hear them coming down this gravel road.
Speaker 3: So yeah, So we packed up and man I called
Speaker 3: up a guy named Charlie Raymond with the Kentucky Bigfoot
Speaker 3: Research Organization that night at eleven o'clock, and he called
Speaker 3: me right back and took my report. She gave me
Speaker 3: some great tips. He told me to draw a picture.
Speaker 3: I do a picture and just make notes. And it
Speaker 3: was a while before he could get back and do
Speaker 3: the actual investigation. But he came back in the fall
Speaker 3: and was gracious enough not only to take my report
Speaker 3: and want to be at the scene, but also take
Speaker 3: me up in the woods and kind of show me
Speaker 3: some stuff. Spent several hours up there. My oldest daughter
Speaker 3: went with us, and we pretty much are dead. Said
Speaker 3: now that there was two of them, and I think
Speaker 3: they smelled the hot dogs or the fire, and I
Speaker 3: really think one was knocking to the other one saying,
Speaker 3: you know, hold up a minute. I don't know what
Speaker 3: one knock means, but I know I got between their
Speaker 3: communication and if they had their heart set on eating
Speaker 3: or had that on their minds us seeing them I
Speaker 3: think really upsetting. So I think the second one was
Speaker 3: actually shaking the trees, maybe as a signal for that
Speaker 3: one to come on. But we found tracks that day.
Speaker 3: We found all kinds of sign It really opened up
Speaker 3: my eyes to what could be there, and it's still
Speaker 3: to this day. You know, I've had several encounters since then.
Speaker 3: I approached it as if I'm going to be in
Speaker 3: the woods with these things, I need to know what
Speaker 3: I can and can't do, where I can and can't go.
Speaker 3: I had heard all the creepy stories and experienced a
Speaker 3: few things in between the lakes since I guess I started.
Speaker 3: I moved down to this area in nineteen eighty eight
Speaker 3: to go to school in Marshall County, Kentucky, which is
Speaker 3: right there on the lake. But I had family down here,
Speaker 3: so every summer of my life I was down in
Speaker 3: this area. So I had heard the stuff and suspected things.
Speaker 3: But you know, there's no going back once something like
Speaker 3: this happens to you. And you know, I'd always thought
Speaker 3: I see a lot of these shows, and I know
Speaker 3: there's a lot of scary experiences, and a lot of
Speaker 3: people have these experiences, but most of them are alive
Speaker 3: to tell the tale. And after seeing that thing move,
Speaker 3: I know if it had wanted to get us, it
Speaker 3: would have gotten this. So I got some guidelines. I
Speaker 3: didn't go out by myself for a long time. Now
Speaker 3: I do in the daytime, I do not at night.
Speaker 3: I rarely go out at night, barely never by myself.
Speaker 3: I've been out with Charlie on an expedition and a
Speaker 3: few few groups and a couple of people I've taken
Speaker 3: that have podcasts and YouTube shows. But man, it's been a.
Speaker 3: It's been a neat thing for me. I think I
Speaker 3: have turned it into a positive. I'm fascinated by the outdoors.
Speaker 3: Like I said, that's always been a part of my life.
Speaker 3: I completely understand the people that go the opposite way
Speaker 3: and have the PTSD and the negative things. But I guess,
Speaker 3: you know, after that, going to find the Prince and
Speaker 3: just stepping into it, and again, Charlie was a great help.
Speaker 3: This whole bigfoot community. There's so many people that I've
Speaker 3: found that are just really mentors and really kind of
Speaker 3: happy that other people are seeing this stuff. It validates,
Speaker 3: you know, And that's why I came across your show.
Speaker 3: Of course on YouTube. I sit at my desk. I
Speaker 3: hope my boss isn't listening in it and listen to
Speaker 3: a lot of this stuff. I don't watch it all
Speaker 3: of course, I'm working, but it was just neat. It's
Speaker 3: really been a positive for me since.
Speaker 2: You know, since then, you've had other things happen, and
Speaker 2: we'll talk about that probably later. But over the years,
Speaker 2: have you had an idea of what bigfoot is as
Speaker 2: you start to get more knowledgeable and start to go
Speaker 2: out looking for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, man, I tell you so. I'm a Christian
Speaker 3: and I do and I don't like to talk about
Speaker 3: it and brag about it. I know everybody's got levels
Speaker 3: of involvement. I don't just show up at church every
Speaker 3: once in a while. I'm very active. I've been able
Speaker 3: to play piano by ear about anything I want and
Speaker 3: sing a little bit since I was four, and so
Speaker 3: I share that at church, I play and sing a
Speaker 3: little bit. So it's it's a huge part of my life,
Speaker 3: is what I'm saying. And the outdoors is very much
Speaker 3: part of that and connected me that way. And I
Speaker 3: try to look look at Bigfoot and and anything really
Speaker 3: through that lens, and a lot of people tend to
Speaker 3: think that that's that's contradictory, But I think that the
Speaker 3: Bible is a supernatural, multi dimensional handbook.
Speaker 2: Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: Basically saying, Hey, there's a whole nother world that you
Speaker 3: can't see, and they cross over sometimes and there's there's
Speaker 3: a big picture here that you're a small part of.
Speaker 3: So I did think it was just a flesh and
Speaker 3: blood thing. I think it may still be with some
Speaker 3: abilities that we don't know about. But I'll tell you
Speaker 3: The very next experience I really had was finding a
Speaker 3: really large footprint that through the course of some podcasts
Speaker 3: and some mutual friends and it showed up in the
Speaker 3: Small Town Monster documentary. We've determined it was not actually
Speaker 3: a sasquatch. We've even had doctor Jeff Nolgrim kind of
Speaker 3: look at the video and the pictures of it, so
Speaker 3: you know, that's a whole other rabbit hole there with
Speaker 3: land between the lakes. But in doing that, the day
Speaker 3: I found it, me and my son were there. We
Speaker 3: found it, I covered it up. I went back two
Speaker 3: days later with another friend of mine, lifelong friend from
Speaker 3: high school, and he was really interested in this, and
Speaker 3: while we were letting the plaster, I said, well, let's
Speaker 3: just go check this ridge out. So this was all
Speaker 3: new to me, and I really like to know the areas.
Speaker 3: I'm sitting here looking at topographical maps of the entire
Speaker 3: land between the lakes that of course printed out and
Speaker 3: go buy. So I was interested in the topography, of course.
Speaker 3: And there's a lot of old roads. You know, there's
Speaker 3: been settlements there, you know, if you know the story,
Speaker 3: there was towns there. So there's cool stuff. I know
Speaker 3: where there's a model t for example, that's still pretty
Speaker 3: intact sitting up there. We found that this day. But
Speaker 3: on the way back he found what he thought was
Speaker 3: a footprint on this little knole, and we've had some interactions.
Speaker 3: We thought, you know, you can talk yourself into everything's
Speaker 3: big foot. You hear these things, and we're having fun
Speaker 3: with it. But he bent down and we heard a
Speaker 3: jump down this ridge. You could feel it hit and
Speaker 3: you could feel the footsteps, no mistaken that bipedal heavy footsteps.
Speaker 3: We kind of take about ten more steps because we
Speaker 3: knew we were going to be able to see this
Speaker 3: thing running through this wide open forest. And it's it's
Speaker 3: wintertime now, so there's you can see several hundred yards
Speaker 3: in a lot of these places and there's nothing there.
Speaker 3: It's it's just gone. And that has happened to my
Speaker 3: wife and I before. I do have a picture that
Speaker 3: I took of one I saw running on the ridge
Speaker 3: and I snapped three shots and I've got what I
Speaker 3: know to be ducking behind a tree and kind of peeking,
Speaker 3: and I actually went up there the next weekend. I
Speaker 3: took my wife to get a comparison shot of me
Speaker 3: in the photo to show that there was room for
Speaker 3: a man's size thing, and there wasn't a stump or anything,
Speaker 3: but I was not aiming. I saw this thing running
Speaker 3: and just held my phone up and where I found
Speaker 3: the pictures were way off in the frame, almost out
Speaker 3: of the frame because it covered so much ground in
Speaker 3: a mere second. So I don't know if they're disappearing,
Speaker 3: or if they're actually that fast, or if they can
Speaker 3: cloak or what, but they do tend to disappear. And
Speaker 3: so these people that say they're multi dimensional, I have
Speaker 3: to believe as a Christian in another dimension, and that's
Speaker 3: well documented in the Bible, Old and New Testament about
Speaker 3: angeels and people coming in and out of another realm
Speaker 3: into this realm. So I don't have a problem being
Speaker 3: believing any of that.
Speaker 2: If that answers the question, No, it definitely does. And
Speaker 2: I'm a Christian as well too. Listeners of the show
Speaker 2: will know that because I've said it in different shows before.
Speaker 2: I really like the way that you put that, where, yeah,
Speaker 2: we believe that there's another it's so weird to think
Speaker 2: about that. I've never thought of it that way, but
Speaker 2: we literally do that there is another dimension that sometimes
Speaker 2: we see. That's wild. Yeah, it's absolutely true. Man, that's
Speaker 2: gonna that's gonna mess in my head tonight for.
Speaker 3: Quite a while. I'm sorry, No, I love it.
Speaker 2: That's that's so cool man. Like you know, you think
Speaker 2: of the story of the stories of the angels and
Speaker 2: the demons in the Bible, and it's like, yeah, stuff
Speaker 2: is still going on today, man, but absolute, absolute, that's wild,
Speaker 2: wild stuff. So that was what was it the time
Speaker 2: frame on that again where you would feel something jumped
Speaker 2: down the ridge?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that well, what had happened after mine, So that
Speaker 3: would have been late that would have been either late
Speaker 3: twenty twenty or early twenty twenty one. It was the
Speaker 3: winner and and again then it happened. I mean, I've
Speaker 3: had experiences this February. This past February, my wife actually
Speaker 3: had her first sighting. Now it was from some time away.
Speaker 3: But you get into these areas and I tell you what,
Speaker 3: I purposely went. I purposely go to other areas to
Speaker 3: validate that I'm not finding things and I'm not thinking
Speaker 3: everything is a sash quarts or a big foot or
Speaker 3: some type of side. And I mean I fight miles.
Speaker 3: I go at least five miles on a short day
Speaker 3: trip and sometimes get into double digits. If I'm out
Speaker 3: all day and I'm off track, I say, usually start
Speaker 3: near a trailer a road, but you really got to
Speaker 3: get off track to see a lot of this stuff.
Speaker 3: Sometimes the elevations here above sea level. The lake sits
Speaker 3: at three hundred and sixty feet, and some of the
Speaker 3: hills are up around six hundred feet at the peak.
Speaker 3: So sometimes I'm climbing hundred feet, which won't impress a
Speaker 3: lot of the real mountain folk, but it's I'm fifty two.
Speaker 3: It makes me huff and buff a little. But yeah,
Speaker 3: so I've had. That's when that one was, and then
Speaker 3: I've had. Basically, I don't get out much in the
Speaker 3: in the summertime. If there's listeners here around this area.
Speaker 3: I don't know if other areas are as bad as
Speaker 3: land between the lakes or not, but there are things
Speaker 3: that will bite you. You can't see them, you don't
Speaker 3: know what they are, where they came from. If you
Speaker 3: get out in the summertime, basically June, July, August, September,
Speaker 3: I don't really go, and if I do, I don't
Speaker 3: get off the trailer in the bush. But then the
Speaker 3: winter comes October definitely through March till the fish start biting.
Speaker 3: So October, November, December, January, February, March. I'm out there
Speaker 3: every weekend, sometimes multiple times a week, and again I
Speaker 3: can almost guarantee in this one area I and I
Speaker 3: don't take a lot of people there because I really
Speaker 3: think there's a group that lives there, and I don't
Speaker 3: want a bunch of people running through there hollering and
Speaker 3: knocking on trees and just acting a fool. You know,
Speaker 3: they might laugh at us, I think a lot. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I've got an area, man, where I can I'll find
Speaker 3: the prints and the tree structures fascinate me. I'm telling
Speaker 3: you there's something to that. I don't know if it's
Speaker 3: just their artwork, if there's a there's different areas where
Speaker 3: you'll find large ones. And then on these witchtops you'll
Speaker 3: find it's almost like children are juveniles, just like a
Speaker 3: kindergartener with doodle and doodle on the walls. And as always,
Speaker 3: I mean, you find these intricate weaved things that I
Speaker 3: doubt there's a lot of Blair Witch fans up there
Speaker 3: in the you know, two miles off the track, three
Speaker 3: hundred feet up, just waiting for me to maybe see
Speaker 3: this one day.
Speaker 2: So I know that it's not your story, but you
Speaker 2: did mention that your wife was able to have her
Speaker 2: first sighting. Yeah, is that anything that you would be
Speaker 2: able to to share what happened in that situation?
Speaker 3: Sure? Sure, And it's a it's a culmination of several experiences.
Speaker 3: I in fact, I tell her we're gonna we're gonna
Speaker 3: hear one scream at us if she's in the boat
Speaker 3: or she's around, because that had happened multiple times, and
Speaker 3: so I can give you some background on that leading
Speaker 3: up to her actual sighting. We were in the boat.
Speaker 3: This was last year, last spring, in the back of
Speaker 3: a bay, and I fish. You might can tell if
Speaker 3: I keep talking. I like to have the place to myself.
Speaker 3: I don't like a lot of people around then, so
Speaker 3: I fish also where there's not a lot of people fishing.
Speaker 3: I hike where there's not a lot of people like
Speaker 3: And so we're back in this bay and it was
Speaker 3: close I guess it was almost June, late May, early June,
Speaker 3: so the boating traffic was picking up, the water was
Speaker 3: getting warm enough to swim and ski, and there's been
Speaker 3: a lot of boat traffic that day. And my daughter
Speaker 3: a middle daughter was just figuring out how sound traveled
Speaker 3: on the water, and she'd hear a boat that she
Speaker 3: think was coming from one direction and it'd actually be
Speaker 3: coming from another. And I'm an athletic director and soccer
Speaker 3: coach now, but I've got over ten years in the classrooms.
Speaker 3: I'm a teacher by heart, and definitely with my own children.
Speaker 3: And he got laid and I asked her if she
Speaker 3: really knew what an echo was, or if she'd heard
Speaker 3: an echo, and she didn't so not. I'm telling you,
Speaker 3: if I had a recorder going, this sound would be
Speaker 3: on every show that's on TV, in every podcast. It
Speaker 3: was so good that we were not thinking Bigfoot at all.
Speaker 3: So I just I let out this womb really loud,
Speaker 3: and it's bouncing off the off the hills, and then
Speaker 3: right behind us we hear this whoop and you can
Speaker 3: hear the peace sound and it was close. It was
Speaker 3: in a little we were in a little creek, and
Speaker 3: it didn't sound like it was too far down the creek.
Speaker 3: And when that came, kyote started going and the woods
Speaker 3: got kind of wild, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: off off in the distance on another ridge, you hear
Speaker 3: this just this. Ah, I'm obviously not doing it loud.
Speaker 3: I don't want to blow the speaker out here, but
Speaker 3: it was very loud, and even the creek hats stopped,
Speaker 3: the frog stopped. The entire area got spooky, and the
Speaker 3: girls are just looking at like, okay, that that was something.
Speaker 3: Let's let's go, and we did. We left. We had
Speaker 3: a few more encounters like that. We've noticed they'll actually
Speaker 3: whistle at you. They're very cureou and in the daytime
Speaker 3: they're whistling. My middle daughter has actually gotten some responses.
Speaker 3: And we had a boat beached one day and I
Speaker 3: just some rocks slipped down there. It was a steep
Speaker 3: bank above us, and I knew that was odd. And
Speaker 3: my little daughter, she's four now, she will swear she
Speaker 3: saw Bigfoot's legs. She says it yegg of course. But
Speaker 3: I'm giving you the background when all these real close
Speaker 3: things were happening. And I've had probably six or seven
Speaker 3: good sightings, and my wife is just like she's so frustrated.
Speaker 3: She say, man, I can hear them and I know
Speaker 3: that's them, and I just I want to see one.
Speaker 3: And she really wanted to see one from the safety
Speaker 3: of the boat. She felt and she's kind of uneasy still,
Speaker 3: but she's so curious, and I think that's what these
Speaker 3: experiences do to people. But we were out hiking. We
Speaker 3: had hiked up a place that I've got a place
Speaker 3: where in the last couple of years, I'm saying a
Speaker 3: lot and not you know, just peekers, mostly peakers around
Speaker 3: the tree. So that's what we went to do. We
Speaker 3: were cooking. We did our standard thing, we cooked our
Speaker 3: hot dogs. And I noticed you get a lot of
Speaker 3: activity on the way in at first, or the way out.
Speaker 3: Definitely on the way out more. But we were going
Speaker 3: in and I've got this a feeling and we stop
Speaker 3: every once in a while. I stop in certain places
Speaker 3: and just I usually wear similar clothes and just follow
Speaker 3: a pattern to maybe let them know that it's me.
Speaker 3: I don't know that that's you know, I've never had
Speaker 3: one walk up and looking in the eye and us
Speaker 3: kind of get to know each other and nothing like that.
Speaker 3: But I feel like they may know people and their
Speaker 3: intentions or different groups. That may just be me reading
Speaker 3: into it. But We're stopped at a spot and I
Speaker 3: looked over and I saw the head come around there.
Speaker 3: It was probably definitely over one hundred yards away, and
Speaker 3: I said to my wife, Okay, look over my right shoulder,
Speaker 3: and I'll tell you what, if you get your phone out,
Speaker 3: I'm convinced they know you're taking pictures or that you're
Speaker 3: doing something that I don't think they like it. So
Speaker 3: I didn't get anything out until after she saw it,
Speaker 3: and when it moved, she's like, there it is again,
Speaker 3: and you can tell it's something six seven feet tall,
Speaker 3: it's up a tree, it's and then it kind of
Speaker 3: I got my phone out, and I've got again a
Speaker 3: couple of pictures where you can see there's a dot there,
Speaker 3: and then the very next picture there's no dot there,
Speaker 3: but it's that far away. So I don't show that
Speaker 3: stuff too, because you know, people want to slam dunk
Speaker 3: the slam dunk photo, and I really don't know that
Speaker 3: that would make a difference to a lot of people
Speaker 3: even if you had that. But yeah, she was. She
Speaker 3: was for the moment. She was like stunned and happy.
Speaker 3: But then as we got to walking back, she's like,
Speaker 3: now you've seen them a lot closer than that, So
Speaker 3: I think now she's on a mission to actually get
Speaker 3: get a little closer and see another one. But she's
Speaker 3: you could tell her demeanor and thinks she was it was.
Speaker 3: It was neat. It was neat because you can believe
Speaker 3: it and you can be around it. But it's still
Speaker 3: it's still to this day when I usually see just
Speaker 3: one a year.
Speaker 2: Big for society will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: I'd say probably one a year, maybe a little more.
Speaker 3: And they're just letting me see them. They're just letting
Speaker 3: me see them in this one in this one area.
Speaker 3: So but yeah, yeah, we're we're looking forward to the
Speaker 3: to the when football Season'm actually a soccer coach. I'm
Speaker 3: in my season right now. Is my twenty fourth year
Speaker 3: doing that in Kentucky. So football and soccer in Kentucky,
Speaker 3: we wrap up in October November, and we're ready to
Speaker 3: get out. We were talking about today when I was
Speaker 3: telling her about the interview tonight, and she's like, man,
Speaker 3: I'm ready to get back out in the woods and
Speaker 3: get a better sighting than that than that one I had.
Speaker 2: That's really cool because it probably helps the both of
Speaker 2: you connect a little bit better when like you are
Speaker 2: probably talking to your family about what happens out in
Speaker 2: the woods, and once you know she's able to like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I get it now in a different way. Yeah, what
Speaker 2: would be the closest you think that you've ever gotten
Speaker 2: to a bigfoot before?
Speaker 3: Okay? And so this is neat. So when when Charlie
Speaker 3: came down, we got a range funder and you can
Speaker 3: see this on Kentucky Bigfoot Research Organization's YouTube. You got
Speaker 3: to scroll down. He called it the beast of LBL.
Speaker 3: But I take him out in the boat and it's
Speaker 3: my first interview investigation anything really with bigfoot, and we
Speaker 3: put a guy up there in the spot. He raine
Speaker 3: finds us in the video at eighty yards away, but
Speaker 3: he edited it out when I didn't get as close.
Speaker 3: The water was actually lower when we were there, so
Speaker 3: we estimated it was sixty yards when it was standing
Speaker 3: by the tree and about thirty eight to forty yards
Speaker 3: when it came down to the gully. There's been one
Speaker 3: other time when I was and again fishing. I'm way back,
Speaker 3: I'm in the daytime, and I'm up against a fallen tree,
Speaker 3: almost camouflaged, and I hear it and I look up
Speaker 3: and it's walking right past me. It's walking right past me,
Speaker 3: and it walked and it was probably again that was
Speaker 3: a thirty to forty yard one and it walked into
Speaker 3: a little grove and I was trying to get my
Speaker 3: troll and motor to get in position where I could
Speaker 3: actually film it. And I dropped my troller motor and
Speaker 3: made a loud rattle and it looked up and then
Speaker 3: it was gone. And it's sometimes it's weird. You can
Speaker 3: hear them walking or running away, but sometimes it's completely silent,
Speaker 3: almost like they're levitating or something. So those two times
Speaker 3: thirty yards to forty yards, and then the rest of
Speaker 3: the time you're looking at one hundred yards or so.
Speaker 3: And again most of the time it's peaking. We had
Speaker 3: an encounter with my wife where the one where it
Speaker 3: disappeared on us. We were up on a ridge. I
Speaker 3: carried my daughter. I'm going to stop now, she's getting
Speaker 3: old enough to walk, but going up the hills when
Speaker 3: we're hiking, I would put my youngest one on my
Speaker 3: shoulders and my pack. It doesn't exceed thirty pounds by
Speaker 3: day pack, but she was thirty or forty. So I'm
Speaker 3: climbing up these hills with you know, sixty seventy pounds
Speaker 3: on me. Well, she knew I was getting ready to
Speaker 3: put her down when we got to the top, and
Speaker 3: when I set her down, she started screaming. And I
Speaker 3: don't know if it startled this thing or what, but
Speaker 3: something jumped down the hill. You can hear it running off.
Speaker 3: It went down into a covert. We couldn't see it.
Speaker 3: There's actually a video of this. Brian king Sharp posted
Speaker 3: this on me on his Sasquatch Odyssey YouTube. I took
Speaker 3: a video of us walking out and my little daughter
Speaker 3: passed out as soon as my wife picked her up.
Speaker 3: She's asleep with my wife carrying her. But so we
Speaker 3: stayed up on this ridge and this road took us
Speaker 3: all the way out to a what's called a main road,
Speaker 3: a connector road. Still gravel, still all gravel. But evidently
Speaker 3: this thing stayed with us down in the gully, which
Speaker 3: is odd. And when we got to resting, we heard
Speaker 3: it and my wife went up the up the road
Speaker 3: a little bit and I just looked up and it's
Speaker 3: standing there. And this is the only one that when
Speaker 3: I looked at it, I really thought, this thing wants
Speaker 3: us out of here. And it was probably inside one
Speaker 3: hundred i'd say probably fifty to sixty yards and it's
Speaker 3: standing there. I actually went, and it left two prints
Speaker 3: by the tree it was at, and I looked up
Speaker 3: at the road and my wife can tell she she's
Speaker 3: now that it, but she's like, you're looking at one
Speaker 3: and she's lip reading and I'm trying to signal to her.
Speaker 3: And it always happened. We had not seen anybody all day,
Speaker 3: and then you can hear this, this four wheeler and
Speaker 3: this ATV coming down the road, and I looked up
Speaker 3: and the thing was gone. So but now I get
Speaker 3: a lot of people. We'll see stuff online and whatever
Speaker 3: videos a lot of my friends and it's funny. A
Speaker 3: lot of them tease me about it, and I completely understand.
Speaker 3: I say, you're free to think I'm as crazy as
Speaker 3: you want to think I am. But then a lot
Speaker 3: of them will tell me. You know, years ago, I
Speaker 3: had a guy tell me about a pre Patterson Gimblin
Speaker 3: sighting right around here. A guy at church. He waved
Speaker 3: me down. He'd seen one of something on YouTube and
Speaker 3: he said, Mike, are you serious? Have you seen this thing? Yes, sir,
Speaker 3: and he said, well, I've never told many people this,
Speaker 3: but my grandfather years ago was heading down down on
Speaker 3: our property and this is real close to my house. Actually. Now,
Speaker 3: we have a couple of little rivers in some creek
Speaker 3: systems that actually run into Berkley Lake. If you stayed
Speaker 3: in the creek, you could get right to Berkeley Lake
Speaker 3: and Obiel. So I don't know if there's a connection.
Speaker 3: We're twenty probably twenty miles away. But he said he
Speaker 3: was down going down to the barn by this creek.
Speaker 3: The groundhogs had gotten in the barn and he was
Speaker 3: just going to shoot some you know, this is back
Speaker 3: in the fifties. And then his old dog that was
Speaker 3: supposedly really loyal, really good dog, stopped at the edge
Speaker 3: of this creek and was barking and ground and would
Speaker 3: not come. And he thought that was odd because this
Speaker 3: dog's real obedient. So he walked over. He said it
Speaker 3: smelled like rotten fish, and so he just thought that
Speaker 3: somebody had thrown some fish down in the creek or something.
Speaker 3: He said, he looked up and the bushes parted, and
Speaker 3: this hairy ape like eight foot tall monster looked at him,
Speaker 3: kind of puffed at him, and walked off. And he
Speaker 3: told everybody, and the reason this guy was telling me
Speaker 3: this his grandfather's long passed. But he said, I think
Speaker 3: I'm the only one that believes him. It changed his grandfather,
Speaker 3: how he even operated on his own farm. And he
Speaker 3: remembered when I guess it was the early seventies on
Speaker 3: in search of when Leonard Nimoy and the Patterson get
Speaker 3: until happened to be on when the whole family was
Speaker 3: there at his grandfather's house, and he remembers his grandfather going,
Speaker 3: I told y'all, I told y'all, there it is. That's
Speaker 3: exactly what I saw. That's it. And he said he
Speaker 3: would never forget the feeling of how his grandfather felt
Speaker 3: vindicated and his family kind of I don't think they
Speaker 3: still believed him.
Speaker 2: That's an incredible side account. I love those ones where
Speaker 2: it's like a pre Patterson gimlin is. It's so rare
Speaker 2: to hear them because usually those individuals are getting up
Speaker 2: there in years, so you being able to share it
Speaker 2: secondhand is pretty special for sure.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, being out in the woods quite a bit, and
Speaker 2: you know, you hear about LBL has some really weird
Speaker 2: stuff associated with it at times. Do you feel that
Speaker 2: anything has ever followed you home? You get home and
Speaker 2: there's weird stuff that occurs, or is that something that
Speaker 2: thankfully you don't have to worry about well.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, man, and not until this last year,
Speaker 3: And this is one of the things I think I'm
Speaker 3: struggling with right now. And I haven't taken many pictures. Yes,
Speaker 3: to answer your question. Yes, I was out with Charlie
Speaker 3: one night on an expedition and this was October twenty
Speaker 3: twenty one or twenty twenty two, I can't remember. And
Speaker 3: we saw some orbs and they look like headlights of hikers.
Speaker 3: But you know, I know that area real well, especially
Speaker 3: the area I'm in in the Kentucky Lakes side north
Speaker 3: of sixty eight. I don't know it like the back
Speaker 3: of my hand, but I know it pretty well. And
Speaker 3: I'm really comfortable even navigating the night without a flashlighting
Speaker 3: a lot of areas. So he seems these lights come in.
Speaker 3: I said, man, they would have to be about fifty
Speaker 3: feet off the ground for us to be seeing them.
Speaker 3: That's a big open field close to the way Charlie
Speaker 3: and they disappeared. And that was my first time hearing
Speaker 3: about this association with this. And then what was weird
Speaker 3: is later on and this was the night that I
Speaker 3: think you've had Larry Sidwell on your show. This was
Speaker 3: the night Larry had his first sighting. Doctor John was there.
Speaker 3: He was actually in my truck. I drove him to
Speaker 3: this site. We were all at and there was a
Speaker 3: sighting of one and a friend of mine named Ray
Speaker 3: and I were away from where the sighting was maybe
Speaker 3: a quarter of a mile, and we heard the conversation
Speaker 3: the samurai talk. They talk about down in an area,
Speaker 3: so we assumed there was at least two. So it
Speaker 3: was weird that we saw three orbs and then there
Speaker 3: was maybe three different subjects in that area. They were
Speaker 3: experienced by us. So I got into that. I haven't
Speaker 3: been back when I was into this initially, and again
Speaker 3: this is twenty one, twenty two. I was going to
Speaker 3: my area twice a week, three times a week, as
Speaker 3: much as I could. And again I think they knew
Speaker 3: I was there and I was leaving. I've got a
Speaker 3: log rally fifteen rocks on and I leave them in
Speaker 3: a different pattern, and then I would get back and
Speaker 3: they'd be in a different pattern. I'd leave them candy
Speaker 3: bars or granola bars sometimes, and they don't like grass
Speaker 3: Chrishby treats for whatever reason. The ones here don't like those.
Speaker 3: But so I was doing a lot of that, and
Speaker 3: then I stopped. I got really really busy, and I
Speaker 3: noticed on my little property, I've got five acres, I've
Speaker 3: got a really nice little spot. I've got a little
Speaker 3: three acre spot where there's a spring coming out of
Speaker 3: the rock. It runs year round, runs maybe one hundred
Speaker 3: yards a little more, and it runs down into a
Speaker 3: hole in the ground. They call this area of Sinking Fork,
Speaker 3: and that spring goes into us called Little River, which
Speaker 3: is a tributary of Berkley Lake. And I'm surrounded by
Speaker 3: probably two hundred acres of farmland. There's a few houses around,
Speaker 3: but there's enough creek and dense wooded area where something
Speaker 3: could stay in it, and none of us around here
Speaker 3: would see them if they didn't want to be seen.
Speaker 3: But I'm down there, I find a lot of arrowheads
Speaker 3: and a lot of Indian Native American artifaction. I noticed
Speaker 3: what they call glyphs. There's some kind of tree structures,
Speaker 3: and I was baffled by it. And I even went
Speaker 3: as far as to seek out some people that believe
Speaker 3: in fairies and know about ferries and things and send
Speaker 3: them some pictures. And they said, no, this is not that,
Speaker 3: and everybody get fat of this. This looks like foot So
Speaker 3: I've been quietly. I didn't want to worry about life.
Speaker 3: I let it happen a while. I would start moving
Speaker 3: them in different ways. I left some bread down there.
Speaker 3: The guy named barreled it and told me they're like bread.
Speaker 3: And I left the bag of bread tied way up
Speaker 3: in a tree, and something untied the bag, got the
Speaker 3: bread out and tied the bag back in a different way.
Speaker 3: And just this past week, at the end of my house,
Speaker 3: that's where the entrance is to my dog pin, I've
Speaker 3: got about it. It's one hundred long, it's one hundred
Speaker 3: feet of fence in a square, so it's ten thousand
Speaker 3: square foot yard we keep them in. And I was
Speaker 3: going out there right in front of the gate. Something's
Speaker 3: been leaving xus and again different. What really got with
Speaker 3: this one is it was under a portion of it
Speaker 3: was under our metal roof porch there. So yeah, so
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's mine from laying between the
Speaker 3: lakes that missed me and they just wanted to come
Speaker 3: interact or what this is. But it's strange, and I'm
Speaker 3: finding out it's fairly common in this realm. So I'm
Speaker 3: not spooked by it, but I'm intrigued. I'm intrigued.
Speaker 2: And you said this is just in the last week
Speaker 2: or so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that the new one I found and it's been
Speaker 3: going on about a year is when I it was
Speaker 3: about a year ago. But it was weird. Well, what
Speaker 3: was weird about it is I broke my summer rule
Speaker 3: and my wife's sister was in from New York and
Speaker 3: so the days are running through. This would have been
Speaker 3: early August, and she wanted to go. She'd heard about
Speaker 3: all this stuff, so she wanted to go in there,
Speaker 3: and we hiked and had a great day. And I
Speaker 3: did get covered in kicks and no even though I
Speaker 3: had genes on and all kinds of spray and everything.
Speaker 3: But it was just weird that I had made a
Speaker 3: pretty recent trip in there and now these things are
Speaker 3: back up close to the house.
Speaker 2: Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages?
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know. I'd love to hear some
Speaker 3: input on that. Maybe I consider myself a rookie man.
Speaker 3: This is just this is just four years for me.
Speaker 3: I'm intrigued, and I'm happy to help people that come
Speaker 3: in this area because I do know there is some
Speaker 3: dangerous stuff. You know. The craziest thing when I started
Speaker 3: running around obl that most of the people said was
Speaker 3: watch out for the old cisterns and wells and septic
Speaker 3: tanks and unmarked pitfalls that are out there. And that
Speaker 3: is obviously true. So when when somebody calls me and says, hey,
Speaker 3: i'm will you take me out or I'm going to
Speaker 3: go out by myself anyway, I'm glad to do it
Speaker 3: just for safety reasons. But I don't know that I
Speaker 3: ever want to be like a researcher or anything like that.
Speaker 3: It was need to be a small town monsters. Joe
Speaker 3: Doyle with HELBN Holler. He and I are getting to
Speaker 3: be really good friends, and he tells me all the time,
Speaker 3: you got to get out and do some of this stuff.
Speaker 3: I don't really. It would cut into my fishing time.
Speaker 3: It's basically the short version, and I still want to
Speaker 3: fish more than I want to get out there. But
Speaker 3: it's I don't know, man, it's need. It keeps getting
Speaker 3: forced on me for some reason.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's definitely a thing where, especially if it's
Speaker 2: starting to show up at your house, on your own property,
Speaker 2: just just be very very aware of these things. You know,
Speaker 2: talking to people for a few years, you start to
Speaker 2: see patterns that arise of things that might happen when
Speaker 2: it starts showing up at your house. Yeah, I just
Speaker 2: remember the power you have as a believer, you know.
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, oh, you're aware of that. Absolutely. I don't
Speaker 3: actually you know, you know Martin Grove, I've gotten to
Speaker 3: know him well. Sure, he's an expert in that area,
Speaker 3: and let me know right away, a lot of those things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I I myself am still learning
Speaker 2: a lot. And I'm convinced that man, there's some of
Speaker 2: some of these interviews, I feel like some of these
Speaker 2: guys are not bringing back Bigfoot to their home, but
Speaker 2: they're bringing back something else. To be honest, absolutely, that's
Speaker 2: that's pretty scary stuff, you know.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, you're correct, yep, yep. And that's why
Speaker 3: I haven't given it too much energy and haven't really
Speaker 3: put that much into it. And you know, I was
Speaker 3: fortunate enough as I had a paranormal experience at Waverley
Speaker 3: Hills and and with my ex wife where I turned
Speaker 3: into us from a skeptic to a believer real quick.
Speaker 3: And he had gotten into the paranormal kind of thing,
Speaker 3: and so I think that prepared me. Had I not
Speaker 3: had that experience in my life, I don't know that
Speaker 3: this big foot stuff had have gone real well, but
Speaker 3: I learned with that, and I think it's true here
Speaker 3: A lot of times you open the door. And I
Speaker 3: used the Alaska reference a lot, even though I've never been,
Speaker 3: and I've always wanted to. You can leave your cabin
Speaker 3: door open in Alaska and a lot of really neat,
Speaker 3: nice things will probably come usy, But a grizzly bear
Speaker 3: could also come usy through that same door. And so I,
Speaker 3: as a Christian and a believer in those I don't
Speaker 3: open any doors intentionally. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 2: That's a really good way to put it. Actually, one
Speaker 2: thing I wanted to ask you is, because we are
Speaker 2: in focused on this one area, have you ever had
Speaker 2: any interactions with anything else besides bigfoot in this area?
Speaker 3: Yes? Yes, and that's you know, it was neat to
Speaker 3: see the faces of I'm weird. I tell people it
Speaker 3: sounds it sounds funny, but if you spend some time
Speaker 3: with me, I'm just I'm in tune with things a
Speaker 3: lot of times, and I've learned to really trust my gut,
Speaker 3: and it's not a supernatural thing. I don't think. I
Speaker 3: think it's just well, I don't know, but I remember
Speaker 3: telling them I did not know any of locations for
Speaker 3: like the massacre in eighty two. One of my contributions
Speaker 3: to the small town Monsters thing is I validated that
Speaker 3: that rumor was going around and that story was their
Speaker 3: pre Internet because a lot of people think that's just
Speaker 3: an Internet invention. And I told them in high school,
Speaker 3: I was camping. Well, no, we didn't even get there.
Speaker 3: And this story, I don't know if it made the
Speaker 3: cut in the movie or not. I can't remember. But
Speaker 3: I was one of the four where I worked at
Speaker 3: a place called the Nand's as a restaurant, and I
Speaker 3: was one of about four guys there that were really,
Speaker 3: really active, and we used to skip school and go
Speaker 3: to the land between the lakes and we would all
Speaker 3: hunt squirrel hunts a lot. I didn't do a lot
Speaker 3: of deer hunting, but I guess to people listening outside Kentucky,
Speaker 3: there's a stereotype and everybody here is an outdoorsman or
Speaker 3: a hunter, and to some degree that's true. But me
Speaker 3: and these other guys, we were really that's what we did.
Speaker 3: And so we used to go to the assistant manager's
Speaker 3: house about every Friday and Saturday night and just have
Speaker 3: a party. And she was not contributing to the delinquency
Speaker 3: of miners. Not everybody there was a minor, but she
Speaker 3: just felt like it was a safe place and she
Speaker 3: didn't want us all running around. And it was really cool,
Speaker 3: but it was a strain on her. And so they
Speaker 3: decided one night we were going to go camping, and
Speaker 3: they went out during the day and set this stuff
Speaker 3: up at this location. I don't remember because when I
Speaker 3: got there it was night, but it was around the
Speaker 3: Mumber's Bay. And my contribution. I had a van and
Speaker 3: I had a big farm. We had eighty acres there,
Speaker 3: and I had a lot of firewood. So even though
Speaker 3: you're in LBL and we could have gathered wood, you know,
Speaker 3: nice good split firewood. So I was going to bring
Speaker 3: some firewood and stuff. And I got to work because
Speaker 3: we were all going to do this after work, and
Speaker 3: they were like, Mike, you've got to go get all
Speaker 3: our stuff. We're not camping tonight. And I didn't really
Speaker 3: understand why, and they didn't tell me why. They were
Speaker 3: just like just please go right now. I mean the manager,
Speaker 3: and the manager let me off work. I did this
Speaker 3: when I should have been working. Just please go right
Speaker 3: now before it gets too dark and too late, so
Speaker 3: I know you will get back. Take God named Craig
Speaker 3: with Take Craig with you. He knew what it was.
Speaker 3: I did a lot of times that at that time.
Speaker 3: I always had a pistol. Most of us had to
Speaker 3: hunt and right or a pistol or something in our
Speaker 3: in our vehicles. And they they specifically asked, you know,
Speaker 3: do you have your pistol? And they well, yeah, of
Speaker 3: course you're not allowed to carry over there, but I
Speaker 3: had it in the glovebox. But anyway, I was still
Speaker 3: laughing about this. And we get down this road and
Speaker 3: there's all the stuff, and Craig had told me on
Speaker 3: the way that they had heard something and he was
Speaker 3: calling it a wampus cat. And I still don't know
Speaker 3: what a wampus cat is. But we get out there.
Speaker 3: There's just a few chairs. I don't even think they
Speaker 3: had any tents set up. There might have been a
Speaker 3: few impacts, wasn't much stuff. The folding an old folding
Speaker 3: card table. We're packing this stuff up and from across
Speaker 3: the bay and you hear this, what's I thought it
Speaker 3: was a mountain lion. Had I had grown up a
Speaker 3: little bit. It's been four years in DC and end
Speaker 3: up in the Shenandoah River in West Virginia. My dad
Speaker 3: always took his canoe and stuff, and sometimes we'd stay
Speaker 3: out as much as a week. So I had heard
Speaker 3: mountain lion screams, so I thought this was a mountain line.
Speaker 3: But it was coming at us, and Craig was like, oh,
Speaker 3: smitty snitty, that's we got to get this is getting card,
Speaker 3: that's it, that's it. It's coming for us. And you know,
Speaker 3: I thought maybe we were by a till that we
Speaker 3: couldn't see and it was just coming around and trying
Speaker 3: to defend a deer down. So I still didn't think
Speaker 3: much of it, and we got out of there. And
Speaker 3: it was a few months later that I remember, I
Speaker 3: believe it was the same assistant manager asking me, did
Speaker 3: you hear about what happened to those people over there?
Speaker 3: And that's the first time I had heard about the
Speaker 3: family being massacred, and it was in that same area.
Speaker 3: So I had been to De Mumber's Bay in the
Speaker 3: daytime maybe once or twice more since then trying to fish,
Speaker 3: and I just feel weird. And so I told the
Speaker 3: small town Monster's crew, and I'd already confessed to them
Speaker 3: that I was more of a bigfoot guy I had.
Speaker 3: I had experienced that experience I had. I had a
Speaker 3: weird experience with ghosts and orbs and just being around there.
Speaker 3: But I was not into the dog man thing. But
Speaker 3: we were looking at some stuff on a map and
Speaker 3: I said, oh, yeah, I don't go to the Mumber's Bay,
Speaker 3: and as a votres someone why not, And I said,
Speaker 3: I get a weird feeling over there. And she said, well,
Speaker 3: that's where we get all of our dog man sidings
Speaker 3: and encounters, and a lot of them are right in
Speaker 3: that area. And I said, yeah, I don't. I don't
Speaker 3: like it, so I don't. It makes me feel bad.
Speaker 3: So I had that experience that night we were with Charlie.
Speaker 3: When I was with Charlie when we saw the orbs,
Speaker 3: we were in the cemetery and we're sitting there and
Speaker 3: I can see it's weird. People that have this ability
Speaker 3: will know sometimes, like if I say to you right now,
Speaker 3: the Statue of Liberty A picture of the Statue of liberty.
Speaker 3: It pops in your head. We can all see it.
Speaker 3: I've never been there, I can see it. So sometimes
Speaker 3: when people are connected with things, you get things like
Speaker 3: that that are in your mind, and then sometimes you
Speaker 3: actually physically see stuff. I looked back and physically saw
Speaker 3: a shadow person in this cemetery, and I told Charlie.
Speaker 3: I said, all right, Charlie's gonna think I'm funny, but
Speaker 3: there's something back there. And he's like, oh, you know,
Speaker 3: he's bigfoot, Bigfoot, Bigfoot. I said, no, it's not bigfoot man.
Speaker 3: So we walked through the cemetery and right there there's
Speaker 3: a tombstone. The guy's last name is Banister. The tombstone
Speaker 3: has a crack through it and it says murdered and
Speaker 3: he was shot through his window in the thirties and died.
Speaker 3: We did his death reports online. We did that. I
Speaker 3: believe it's Richard Banister. And Charlie's just kind of looking
Speaker 3: at me and he's like, you saw him. I said,
Speaker 3: I don't know if it was him, but I just
Speaker 3: saw a shadow walking back here. We went back. I
Speaker 3: went back with my son. I think it was the
Speaker 3: next week. My son works midnights and he doesn't get
Speaker 3: a lot of time off, and he had to ask off,
Speaker 3: so it may have been two weeks later, and I
Speaker 3: took him there and we took our little k two
Speaker 3: meters that you see on the ghost shows, and something
Speaker 3: was talking to us. And again I don't ever attach
Speaker 3: any emotion to this. I will say, is there something
Speaker 3: here that would like to speak to us? You know
Speaker 3: a lot of people when you have somebody pass away,
Speaker 3: and I do believe your loved ones can come back
Speaker 3: and interact with you. I do believe that. But a
Speaker 3: lot of times something will happen in your house and
Speaker 3: you'll pour all that emotion and you'll be like, mom,
Speaker 3: is that you Well, it's not your mom, but now
Speaker 3: you've allowed it to connect to you. And so I
Speaker 3: knew all those rules. So we didn't do that. But
Speaker 3: as we were sitting there, we heard something walking. This
Speaker 3: cemetery is just basically a square. It's got a chain
Speaker 3: leak fence around it, but it's back in the woods
Speaker 3: and we heard something walking and I said, you know,
Speaker 3: that's probably a big for a walking by. And then
Speaker 3: we went to the other corner and we heard it
Speaker 3: walking around the back and I'm like, okay, it's just
Speaker 3: it's passing by. Let's get on out of here. So
Speaker 3: we came up to the up to the gate at
Speaker 3: the front of the cemetery where it should have been
Speaker 3: going away, and we hear it walking towards us, and
Speaker 3: so I looked at him, and we had a little
Speaker 3: fire going by the truck, and the truck was, I
Speaker 3: don't know, fifteen feet away. So I said, let's just
Speaker 3: go over by the truck. And we're on the tailgate
Speaker 3: of the truck and we hear something now back on
Speaker 3: that other side, and it was a growl. It was
Speaker 3: a low gut oral and he looked at me and
Speaker 3: I said, get in the truck side, and we got
Speaker 3: out of it. And we didn't we didn't go back,
Speaker 3: and and I just had broken my rule a little
Speaker 3: about being out at night. And so yeah, and then
Speaker 3: you know, we had a bear siding. Recently, a bear
Speaker 3: came through and the for Service actually posted a video
Speaker 3: of it at at Golden Pond, n olbl and Martin.
Speaker 3: People that have been in land between the lakes know
Speaker 3: we've had bears there for a long time, whether they're
Speaker 3: in and out or there's a resident population. You'll see
Speaker 3: tracks it's always been known that you could run into
Speaker 3: a bear. But this past Christmas and I just remember
Speaker 3: it because there's a place called Patties. It's in Grand Rivers.
Speaker 3: It's a restaurant. I would recommend it to anybody who
Speaker 3: comes down here. You got to make reservations. It's always packed.
Speaker 3: It's eighteen eighty settlement, so they're back in the old days.
Speaker 3: But they have a huge Christmas light display. I mean,
Speaker 3: I can't describe it. Maybe for a big city folk
Speaker 3: it wouldn't be that impressive, but for us around here,
Speaker 3: it's a neat thing and it's free and it's usually packed.
Speaker 3: So my strategy is the day at after Christmas, when
Speaker 3: they're closed, we always go to Patty's where we've got
Speaker 3: this whole lighted Christmas wonderland to ourselves. And so this
Speaker 3: year was no different. And we were driving I drive
Speaker 3: down the Trace from where I'm at. I actually purposely
Speaker 3: go through LBL on the Trace, and we were seeing man,
Speaker 3: we were seeing deer, and we've seen coyotes. We've seen
Speaker 3: fox and al bust in front of the headlights. And again,
Speaker 3: people around here know on the nights that you start
Speaker 3: seeing a lot of stuff a wildlife. You've got a
Speaker 3: good chance of seeing everything that's rumored to be in
Speaker 3: LBL on those nights.
Speaker 2: Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: And man, we were almost out. We were to the
Speaker 3: canal and there's a bridge and I looked down right
Speaker 3: at the guardrail and it was I don't know, Martin
Speaker 3: thinks it might have been a dog. Man. It was
Speaker 3: definitely a wolf. And I went back and again shot
Speaker 3: a video and got measurements of this thing about how
Speaker 3: wide it was. But it was laying by the guardrail
Speaker 3: between the road and the guardrail and there's a big
Speaker 3: drop off right on the other side. And this thing
Speaker 3: it crouched as it was standing up, if that makes sense,
Speaker 3: its back leg where its back was coming up. It
Speaker 3: had yellow eyes. This thing looked at me, Jeremiah, I've
Speaker 3: never I can close mind. I don't have to close
Speaker 3: my eyes. I can see it right now. And it
Speaker 3: creeked me out because it's like if you've seen American
Speaker 3: werewolf in London, when that werewolf is back in the
Speaker 3: alley and first comes out of the dark. That's what
Speaker 3: I saw. And it raved up and I'm saying to
Speaker 3: my wife at the time. I said, good lord, did
Speaker 3: you see the size of that coyote? She said where?
Speaker 3: And I said, it's right there. And I let off.
Speaker 3: I didn't put my foot on the brake. I let
Speaker 3: off the accelerator. She looked right at me. Don't you stop.
Speaker 3: You do not get because she had she had heard
Speaker 3: a lot of these stories of the dog men actually
Speaker 3: chasing cars and doing stuff like that. So I went back.
Speaker 3: She was even nervous. We went back probably two months later.
Speaker 3: We were through there, and I just on a whim.
Speaker 3: I always keep a it's my daypack. You know. People
Speaker 3: call it a bug out bag, but you could live
Speaker 3: out of the back. Say, if we're go on a
Speaker 3: trip somewhere, I make sure it's in whatever vehicle I'm in.
Speaker 3: And I keep a tape measure. Now that I'm a
Speaker 3: big foot guy, I keep a tape measure in there.
Speaker 3: So I just stopped and she said what are you doing?
Speaker 3: And I looked at my daughter. I said, here, come here,
Speaker 3: hold the camera. We're going to film something. And carry
Speaker 3: asked my wife. She was really nervous at us being
Speaker 3: there in the broad daylight. And then and what's weird
Speaker 3: about that? Is my cousin had come through in October
Speaker 3: and just asked me if I'd ever seen a wolf there,
Speaker 3: because he thought he saw what was a large coyote
Speaker 3: walking along the trace when he was coming through. And
Speaker 3: then in March, I was fishing and I gotten a
Speaker 3: nice boat. But a lot of times, well in the spring,
Speaker 3: i'll walk the bank and just get a hike in,
Speaker 3: and I'll walk the bank fishing, just kind of see
Speaker 3: where the fish are going to be coming up and
Speaker 3: what part of the codes are going to use, and
Speaker 3: what structure and logs and things, and then I'll hike
Speaker 3: back through the woods wherever my car's parked. I came
Speaker 3: around the corner and there was a boat there. And
Speaker 3: I've never run into into anybody doing the same thing
Speaker 3: I'm doing where I'm doing it, and I had surprised
Speaker 3: these people in the boat. They were bass fishing. But
Speaker 3: we got to talking and the first thing the guy
Speaker 3: asked me, he said, have you ever seen a wolf?
Speaker 3: I said, well, you know, yes, sir, I have, And
Speaker 3: I told him the story. They were coming in that
Speaker 3: morning and he said, up on the power lines going
Speaker 3: into a place called ft and Access, he said, I
Speaker 3: saw the biggest blackest wolf I have seen in years,
Speaker 3: And the guy went on to share that he had
Speaker 3: been stationed. I think both of them had been stationed
Speaker 3: in Alaska with the army. And we're both very familiar
Speaker 3: with with wolves compared to coyotes. So yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: you hear them. You hear in this dog man stuff.
Speaker 3: You hear the different categories and if it's actually looks
Speaker 3: like a wolf but it can stand up, or is
Speaker 3: it a man? And again, I'm not knowledgeable in that,
Speaker 3: and I'm honestly not trying to be knowledgeable in that,
Speaker 3: But I did see any coyotes or foxes or wildlife
Speaker 3: I've ever seen when a car was coming by, they
Speaker 3: didn't actively engage the driver and adopt a stance like
Speaker 3: they were fixing the punts a six thousand pounds vehicle
Speaker 3: going thirty forty miles.
Speaker 2: Now, why do you think there's so much weird stuff
Speaker 2: concentrated in this one area?
Speaker 3: Well, I think it goes back. And now, I've got
Speaker 3: a history minor. I've got a business degree, but I
Speaker 3: taught history in school. I'm fascinated with that. It's rumored
Speaker 3: my great grandfather's mom was a full blooded Cherokee. Her
Speaker 3: name was Sula. I've never seen pictures or anything of her,
Speaker 3: but she had a weird name, and so I've always
Speaker 3: felt connected to that part. This area was a hunting ground.
Speaker 3: It was never really occupied the Shawnee and the Cherokee,
Speaker 3: and I think so maybe some of the groups coming
Speaker 3: up from the south all kind of claimed this area.
Speaker 3: And so there's always been that legend of the medicine
Speaker 3: man that for whatever reason became a skin walker or what.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he was cursed or what happened.
Speaker 3: I'm not an expert in it, but when you move
Speaker 3: down here you hear about that. You know. The people
Speaker 3: were relocated twice in the building of the dams, and
Speaker 3: a lot of that doesn't always get out. The construction
Speaker 3: of Kentucky Dam was started as part of the New
Speaker 3: Deal coming out of the Great Depression when they formed
Speaker 3: the TVA. Now, I don't think it was really finished
Speaker 3: until the forties, and JFK turned that place into a
Speaker 3: recreational area in the sixties, and some of the holdouts
Speaker 3: weren't finally kicked out until the sixties and seventies. But
Speaker 3: this goes as far back. The first wave of people
Speaker 3: were moved actually twice. They were moved from the Tennessee
Speaker 3: river bed up into LBL. They were promised that the
Speaker 3: cemeteries would be moved. That's why there's so many cemeteries.
Speaker 3: That a lot of them have been relocated, but there
Speaker 3: is no confirmation if the bodies were actually moved with
Speaker 3: the headstones. There are still headstones in the lake. You know,
Speaker 3: when you study the haunted world and the spiritual realm,
Speaker 3: most most big cemeteries where people are buried. But they
Speaker 3: had no connection there. They didn't live in the area
Speaker 3: that they were farmed. There's not on there. They didn't
Speaker 3: die there. I don't know that. I believe in a
Speaker 3: lot of hauntings of newer cemeteries. But in the old situations,
Speaker 3: all that emotion, all that energy, all that life force,
Speaker 3: everything was right there in that area and it was
Speaker 3: it appears to be that that was an issue with
Speaker 3: the Indians, the Nativemericans, with the French traders and trappers
Speaker 3: that came with the people there getting treated wrong, and
Speaker 3: then just all the you know, there's good and bad
Speaker 3: people everywhere. So I'm sure in an area where there
Speaker 3: was people living for thirty forty fifty sixty years, there
Speaker 3: was probably some bad stuff that happen, so I think
Speaker 3: all that energy is trapped there. I do believe in
Speaker 3: the power of water. You know, Jesus says that when
Speaker 3: you ask Jesus what used to be, he talks about
Speaker 3: being like water. The small rock can crack a rock
Speaker 3: and he'll give you living water. It's what our bodies
Speaker 3: are made out of. It. It's just when you look
Speaker 3: at that and understand the flowing of water around that place,
Speaker 3: there's so many springs. So again, this is just my opinion.
Speaker 3: I have no expertise in this, but I know if
Speaker 3: you read and study and hear about conditions which create
Speaker 3: weird supernatural things up to including demonic evil things, we've
Speaker 3: got them all right.
Speaker 2: It's a fascinating discussion. And just thank you for taking
Speaker 2: some time tonight to share what you've experienced, what you
Speaker 2: are experience in the area. And definitely, you know, keep
Speaker 2: us in the loop if things continue to happen on
Speaker 2: your property or for you continue to experience things in
Speaker 2: the land between the lakes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh absolutely, man, but be not pleasure to I
Speaker 3: definitely let you know.
Speaker 2: Do are you a gentleman where if you kind of
Speaker 2: tend to stay in the shadows, or is there a
Speaker 2: way if if someone has you know something they want
Speaker 2: to ask you about the Land of the Lakes, is
Speaker 2: there a way people can reach out to you at all?
Speaker 3: Mike, Okay, okay, well all right now, so you're gonna
Speaker 3: you're gonna catch me in one even though I am not.
Speaker 3: I'm not professing. I'm not professing to be. I don't
Speaker 3: want to be a YouTuber or a podcast or Joe Doyle.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna blame it on him if he listens to
Speaker 3: This has just encouraged me, and in reading the comments
Speaker 3: on some of the small Town Monsters stuff, I did
Speaker 3: start a YouTube channel. I haven't advertised it or asked
Speaker 3: for subscribers. I'm not doing anything with it, but it's
Speaker 3: called smith Ridge Adventures and it's got a little symbol
Speaker 3: of some mountains and it says smith Ridge on It
Speaker 3: is in black and white. If you go on there
Speaker 3: and search smith Ridge Adventures, you can see some of
Speaker 3: the videos and some of the stuff I made. And
Speaker 3: so basically, if somebody would comments all that footprint looks
Speaker 3: fake or that's you know, why is there one footprint
Speaker 3: or something like that on this small town Monster stuff,
Speaker 3: I would just reply, you can look at the whole thing.
Speaker 3: And so if somebody I do have a Gmail at
Speaker 3: smith Ridge Adventures at gmail dot com associated with that,
Speaker 3: and that would be the best way. I probably need
Speaker 3: to check it. I haven't checked in a while, but
Speaker 3: that'd be the best way to get me. I don't
Speaker 3: want to give out my work email and flood my
Speaker 3: work email with big footstuff.
Speaker 2: So hey, that sounds great. And I asked that because
Speaker 2: I learned the hard way that if I don't, then
Speaker 2: people flood my email with how do I get in
Speaker 2: touch with Mike? And I don't play those games anymore.
Speaker 2: So there you go, guys, that's how you can do it. Well, Mike,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for coming on. It's been a
Speaker 2: pleasure chatting with you tonight and I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Hey anytime man really enjoyed it.
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Speaker 3: Her and I can get on here. We can tell
Speaker 3: our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there listening that's
Speaker 3: too afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will give
Speaker 3: them the courage to come out.
Speaker 1: And now it feels so bad about it, Who cares
Speaker 1: what anybody thinks.
Speaker 3: I know what I saw, I know what's out there.
Speaker 2: That's all I care about.
Speaker 3: Please let people know, Please let them know. If you
Speaker 3: ever see one of these things, you need to tell
Speaker 3: because if you don't, then shame on you. You have
Speaker 3: shame on you