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So it's a pleasure 30 00:01:44.760 --> 00:01:46.400 to have you on the show tonight. 31 00:01:46.480 --> 00:01:46.680 Mike. 32 00:01:46.760 --> 00:01:47.519 How's it gone, sir? 33 00:01:48.439 --> 00:01:50.879 Hey, it's going great. I've been looking forward to this 34 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:53.239 since we spoke, and I'm glad to be here. 35 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:57.159 Oh absolutely, Mike. I'm going to go ahead, and I 36 00:01:57.200 --> 00:01:59.200 think we've got a lot of ground to cover, so 37 00:01:59.200 --> 00:02:01.319 I'm going to go ahead and give the reins over 38 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:04.719 to You're welcome to bring us back to the very 39 00:02:04.760 --> 00:02:07.480 beginning when all this stuff started happening for you. 40 00:02:08.960 --> 00:02:12.520 Yeah, absolutely, And you know, I've been on a few shows. 41 00:02:12.639 --> 00:02:14.759 Was privileged enough to be in there with a small 42 00:02:14.800 --> 00:02:19.400 town Monster group because of this experience. But I don't 43 00:02:19.400 --> 00:02:23.319 consider myself actually a researcher. I'm a hiker and a 44 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:26.039 camper and a fisherman more than anything, but being down 45 00:02:26.080 --> 00:02:29.719 here in the land between the lakes basically my whole life. 46 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:34.319 I feel like it was just bound to happen. I've 47 00:02:34.360 --> 00:02:41.039 always been interested in cryptids and paranormal and things of 48 00:02:41.080 --> 00:02:44.280 that nature, but had always also been the guy where 49 00:02:44.319 --> 00:02:47.759 I would need to see it to believe it. And 50 00:02:48.080 --> 00:02:51.800 back in twenty twenty, it's May tenth. I'll never forget 51 00:02:51.840 --> 00:02:56.960 it again. Big Fishermen's part of my life, part of 52 00:02:56.960 --> 00:03:00.000 the family's life. And we were out on the lake 53 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:04.000 the day before, on May ninth, and it was springtime, 54 00:03:04.080 --> 00:03:06.439 so the weather was volatile and we just had a 55 00:03:06.439 --> 00:03:10.520 great Saturday and my infant daughter, it was bay. I 56 00:03:10.520 --> 00:03:12.680 think it might have been her first trip out. I 57 00:03:12.759 --> 00:03:16.879 know it was my wife's first trip out since COVID, 58 00:03:17.759 --> 00:03:21.319 and so that Saturday, man, it was such a neat time, 59 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:23.199 and we got out on the main lake and when 60 00:03:23.199 --> 00:03:27.439 the water's low on Kentuckulate, there's sandbars and it's almost 61 00:03:27.479 --> 00:03:30.080 like being in a beach and the water's not warm 62 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:32.199 enough you had to swim, but you could splash around. 63 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:34.719 And I had my three daughters with me. Such a 64 00:03:34.719 --> 00:03:37.919 great day, so of course the Sunday came we wanted 65 00:03:37.960 --> 00:03:40.879 to go again, and man it was the wind was 66 00:03:40.919 --> 00:03:44.520 the main thing. And in Kentuckulate can get rough. It's 67 00:03:44.560 --> 00:03:46.719 a you know, you can see it on a map, 68 00:03:48.960 --> 00:03:51.719 so it's it's a pretty big lake. And I mean 69 00:03:51.759 --> 00:03:54.080 a map when you look at the entire United States, 70 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:57.439 you can actually see those two lakes there, so it's sizable. 71 00:03:57.439 --> 00:03:59.919 And it got rough, and we went to this one 72 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:02.719 little spot where I knew the wind the direction it 73 00:04:02.840 --> 00:04:05.639 was coming from, would not be a factor, but I 74 00:04:05.719 --> 00:04:08.919 wasn't sure good how good the fishing would be. And 75 00:04:08.960 --> 00:04:12.319 we drove down to two Mile Road. The boat ramp 76 00:04:12.479 --> 00:04:15.120 was closed actually, but there was a spot where they 77 00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:19.560 had put kayaks in and I put my boat in there. 78 00:04:20.199 --> 00:04:23.360 I'll tell you, I left my boat parked and my 79 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:26.040 trailer in the water because I didn't want somebody else 80 00:04:26.120 --> 00:04:29.120 to come down and forced me to go around the 81 00:04:29.160 --> 00:04:31.560 federal barriers to actually get my boat out. And I 82 00:04:31.639 --> 00:04:36.079 ended up getting a ticket by the Force Service. But 83 00:04:36.240 --> 00:04:38.399 the events of the day that happened, I didn't really 84 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:41.399 mind that. But anyway, we went out and tried to 85 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:45.040 finish and it wasn't good. The waves kept us in 86 00:04:45.040 --> 00:04:47.079 this little cold so what we also liked to do 87 00:04:47.199 --> 00:04:50.160 is always have a fire and cook some hot dogs, 88 00:04:50.279 --> 00:04:53.519 and so we pulled up on a little rocky bank 89 00:04:53.560 --> 00:04:57.120 and it was not anywhere close to a beach. There 90 00:04:57.199 --> 00:05:00.519 was basically enough room for a meeting. It out my 91 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:03.639 oldest daughter, she was the years fly by. She was 92 00:05:03.680 --> 00:05:07.199 fifteen or so at the time, and the little girls 93 00:05:07.240 --> 00:05:10.759 my wife and I had, I think my middle daughter 94 00:05:10.879 --> 00:05:12.839 was five or six there, and then, like I say, 95 00:05:12.959 --> 00:05:16.839 my youngest one was just an infant six seven eight 96 00:05:16.839 --> 00:05:19.160 months old. We did have her in life jackets and 97 00:05:19.160 --> 00:05:22.360 all the appropriate stuff, but they stayed in the boat. 98 00:05:22.600 --> 00:05:25.920 It was such a small little spot, and I built 99 00:05:25.920 --> 00:05:28.759 a fire and we were cooking hot dogs, and at 100 00:05:28.759 --> 00:05:33.439 one point I heard walking. And there's something called the 101 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:37.519 North South Trail that runs through there, and I've done 102 00:05:37.519 --> 00:05:40.399 almost twelve all of it. It's divided into the north 103 00:05:40.439 --> 00:05:42.959 half and a south half, and I've done all of 104 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:47.720 the north half multiple times. So it was in range, 105 00:05:47.759 --> 00:05:49.759 but somebody would have had to have been way off 106 00:05:49.839 --> 00:05:52.519 track to been walking up of where I heard them. 107 00:05:52.560 --> 00:05:55.800 So I just asked the girls to keep their eyes 108 00:05:55.839 --> 00:05:59.279 out and their ears open because I thought some people 109 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:02.639 were coming up. And that's basically all that came of it, 110 00:06:02.680 --> 00:06:04.639 And so we were getting ready to leave, i'd say 111 00:06:04.720 --> 00:06:09.120 thirty minutes later, and our oldest daughter asked me, you know, 112 00:06:09.199 --> 00:06:12.639 what do you think happened to those people? And I said, 113 00:06:12.199 --> 00:06:15.279 I don't know. They probably saw that we were down here, 114 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:18.519 it smell the smoke or something, and decided just to 115 00:06:18.560 --> 00:06:21.319 turn around. But I was getting ready to push the 116 00:06:21.399 --> 00:06:23.839 boat off. I've had to tie to a little tree, 117 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:28.360 and we all heard a knock, a clear wood knock, 118 00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:30.879 and we'd all watch Finding Bigfoot in some of these 119 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:34.040 shows that had been popularized by then, and you know, 120 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:37.920 everybody just kind of looked up, and our oldest daughter said, Dad, 121 00:06:37.959 --> 00:06:40.279 what was that? And I thought it had to be 122 00:06:40.319 --> 00:06:43.560 people messing with this, So I said to her jokingly, 123 00:06:44.120 --> 00:06:46.639 well they'd say Bigfoot does that. When I look down, 124 00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:49.720 there was a stick I knew would be a good 125 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:51.800 heart stick and would make a good knock. So it 126 00:06:51.879 --> 00:06:54.439 was just I took a knock on this little tree, 127 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:58.920 and about one hundred yards down the bank, we heard 128 00:06:58.959 --> 00:07:02.920 another knock, and you know, they're kind of startled, and 129 00:07:03.480 --> 00:07:05.560 we had decided we were either going to go home 130 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:07.639 or we were going to find another place to fish 131 00:07:07.759 --> 00:07:12.240 across this cove. But because we were hearing these knocks, 132 00:07:12.279 --> 00:07:15.800 we decided to go down the bank a little and 133 00:07:15.959 --> 00:07:18.079 look up in there where we heard the second knock 134 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:22.600 and see what happened or what was going on. And man, 135 00:07:22.680 --> 00:07:26.439 I looked up in the get It's something you don't 136 00:07:26.480 --> 00:07:28.800 ever forget. I looked up there and there was a 137 00:07:28.839 --> 00:07:31.720 spot of sun that came all the way through the canopy. 138 00:07:31.759 --> 00:07:34.120 It wasn't real thick, but it was. There were leaves, 139 00:07:34.439 --> 00:07:36.720 but this sun spot was up there, and standing there 140 00:07:36.879 --> 00:07:42.079 was a bigfoot. And I said, there's bigfoot, and I'm pointing, 141 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:47.720 and the girls where where? And I started. I had 142 00:07:47.759 --> 00:07:50.000 to watch the boat because we were getting close to 143 00:07:50.079 --> 00:07:53.800 some stomps and some logs and some sticks, and I 144 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:55.639 didn't want to mess my prop up, so I was 145 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:59.399 turning my wife where she could see it, and it 146 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:03.360 actually ran away from where I turned the boat in 147 00:08:03.399 --> 00:08:06.600 the opposite direction, and I ended up. When I say turned, 148 00:08:06.680 --> 00:08:10.360 I'm basically spinning my boat in a circle in this 149 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:15.720 small little cove. And so I spun around again and 150 00:08:15.759 --> 00:08:18.000 then it kind of came back towards us where the 151 00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:22.040 original knock was in the ridge we were on was, 152 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:25.199 and they never could track it. It was so fast. 153 00:08:25.319 --> 00:08:30.439 I saw it going down into a gully and pull 154 00:08:30.519 --> 00:08:32.840 itself up. I saw its hand, and then it went 155 00:08:32.879 --> 00:08:36.480 on up into the trees, and the trees were shaking 156 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:40.120 and the wind was blowing, but these trees were protected. 157 00:08:40.240 --> 00:08:44.440 And my oldest daughter did see the tree shaking because 158 00:08:44.960 --> 00:08:47.399 I was saying, you know, there's where it's going, where 159 00:08:47.399 --> 00:08:51.720 those trees are shaking, and we just kind of I 160 00:08:51.759 --> 00:08:54.039 put the boat in neutral and we drifted a little bit, 161 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:56.240 and we're drifting down the bank and we're just kind 162 00:08:56.240 --> 00:09:02.279 of collecting our thoughts. I actually wanted to go across 163 00:09:02.440 --> 00:09:06.399 the lake and just fish a little more. You know. 164 00:09:06.879 --> 00:09:11.559 I was stunned, but I wasn't really scared. But as 165 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:15.440 soon as I hit the engine, and so I was 166 00:09:15.480 --> 00:09:17.639 away from the bank, my ears ring all the time. 167 00:09:17.679 --> 00:09:20.759 It's called tonightis so I don't hear a lot of 168 00:09:20.919 --> 00:09:24.559 background noise, and I was turned looking away, which put 169 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:27.360 my ear right to the engine. My girls were right 170 00:09:27.399 --> 00:09:31.200 on the bank and they both heard and what they 171 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:37.720 described as guttural, frustrated screams, and they looked at each 172 00:09:37.759 --> 00:09:39.879 other at the same time and said each other, did 173 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:41.879 you hear that? What was happening? My wife's hit me 174 00:09:41.919 --> 00:09:44.600 on the arm and she's saying get out of here, 175 00:09:44.840 --> 00:09:49.120 because something was still in the woods. It followed us 176 00:09:49.120 --> 00:09:53.360 down the bank and probably was not less than one 177 00:09:53.440 --> 00:09:56.840 hundred yards around the back of this code where my 178 00:09:56.919 --> 00:10:00.919 boat was sitting, where she thought that this thing might 179 00:10:00.960 --> 00:10:03.320 be coming around to meet us at the truck. So 180 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:07.960 she was very, very adamant that we leave and get 181 00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:10.600 out of there. And as we were putting the boat 182 00:10:10.679 --> 00:10:13.039 on the trail, our vehicle was coming down the road 183 00:10:14.120 --> 00:10:17.639 and it was just a family. And so besides them 184 00:10:17.759 --> 00:10:20.240 and the obvious Force service people that we knew were 185 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:23.600 there because of the ticket on my windshield, nobody else 186 00:10:23.639 --> 00:10:25.600 said you can hear them coming down this gravel road. 187 00:10:25.759 --> 00:10:29.919 So yeah, So we packed up and man I called 188 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:36.879 up a guy named Charlie Raymond with the Kentucky Bigfoot 189 00:10:36.919 --> 00:10:41.960 Research Organization that night at eleven o'clock, and he called 190 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:46.080 me right back and took my report. She gave me 191 00:10:46.120 --> 00:10:48.240 some great tips. He told me to draw a picture. 192 00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:52.080 I do a picture and just make notes. And it 193 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:54.679 was a while before he could get back and do 194 00:10:54.799 --> 00:10:57.960 the actual investigation. But he came back in the fall 195 00:10:59.120 --> 00:11:02.480 and was gracious enough not only to take my report 196 00:11:02.519 --> 00:11:05.519 and want to be at the scene, but also take 197 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:08.519 me up in the woods and kind of show me 198 00:11:08.600 --> 00:11:10.960 some stuff. Spent several hours up there. My oldest daughter 199 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:15.039 went with us, and we pretty much are dead. Said 200 00:11:15.120 --> 00:11:18.039 now that there was two of them, and I think 201 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:22.519 they smelled the hot dogs or the fire, and I 202 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:25.080 really think one was knocking to the other one saying, 203 00:11:25.159 --> 00:11:26.879 you know, hold up a minute. I don't know what 204 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:29.399 one knock means, but I know I got between their 205 00:11:29.440 --> 00:11:33.279 communication and if they had their heart set on eating 206 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:35.840 or had that on their minds us seeing them I 207 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:38.840 think really upsetting. So I think the second one was 208 00:11:38.879 --> 00:11:42.200 actually shaking the trees, maybe as a signal for that 209 00:11:42.240 --> 00:11:46.200 one to come on. But we found tracks that day. 210 00:11:46.279 --> 00:11:48.679 We found all kinds of sign It really opened up 211 00:11:48.720 --> 00:11:53.639 my eyes to what could be there, and it's still 212 00:11:53.679 --> 00:11:57.360 to this day. You know, I've had several encounters since then. 213 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:01.840 I approached it as if I'm going to be in 214 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:03.879 the woods with these things, I need to know what 215 00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:06.399 I can and can't do, where I can and can't go. 216 00:12:08.240 --> 00:12:10.720 I had heard all the creepy stories and experienced a 217 00:12:10.759 --> 00:12:15.879 few things in between the lakes since I guess I started. 218 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:19.360 I moved down to this area in nineteen eighty eight 219 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:23.360 to go to school in Marshall County, Kentucky, which is 220 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:26.919 right there on the lake. But I had family down here, 221 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:30.720 so every summer of my life I was down in 222 00:12:30.799 --> 00:12:36.200 this area. So I had heard the stuff and suspected things. 223 00:12:36.279 --> 00:12:39.639 But you know, there's no going back once something like 224 00:12:39.679 --> 00:12:43.279 this happens to you. And you know, I'd always thought 225 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:44.960 I see a lot of these shows, and I know 226 00:12:45.080 --> 00:12:47.799 there's a lot of scary experiences, and a lot of 227 00:12:47.799 --> 00:12:52.360 people have these experiences, but most of them are alive 228 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:55.559 to tell the tale. And after seeing that thing move, 229 00:12:55.720 --> 00:12:59.879 I know if it had wanted to get us, it 230 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:04.720 would have gotten this. So I got some guidelines. I 231 00:13:04.720 --> 00:13:07.120 didn't go out by myself for a long time. Now 232 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:09.960 I do in the daytime, I do not at night. 233 00:13:10.120 --> 00:13:14.240 I rarely go out at night, barely never by myself. 234 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:18.000 I've been out with Charlie on an expedition and a 235 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:21.399 few few groups and a couple of people I've taken 236 00:13:21.399 --> 00:13:27.200 that have podcasts and YouTube shows. But man, it's been a. 237 00:13:27.279 --> 00:13:29.639 It's been a neat thing for me. I think I 238 00:13:29.759 --> 00:13:34.879 have turned it into a positive. I'm fascinated by the outdoors. 239 00:13:34.919 --> 00:13:36.840 Like I said, that's always been a part of my life. 240 00:13:37.039 --> 00:13:40.720 I completely understand the people that go the opposite way 241 00:13:40.799 --> 00:13:45.639 and have the PTSD and the negative things. But I guess, 242 00:13:45.720 --> 00:13:48.080 you know, after that, going to find the Prince and 243 00:13:48.159 --> 00:13:50.360 just stepping into it, and again, Charlie was a great help. 244 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:53.799 This whole bigfoot community. There's so many people that I've 245 00:13:53.799 --> 00:13:57.480 found that are just really mentors and really kind of 246 00:13:57.519 --> 00:14:01.519 happy that other people are seeing this stuff. It validates, 247 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:03.759 you know, And that's why I came across your show. 248 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:06.840 Of course on YouTube. I sit at my desk. I 249 00:14:06.879 --> 00:14:09.879 hope my boss isn't listening in it and listen to 250 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:12.480 a lot of this stuff. I don't watch it all 251 00:14:12.559 --> 00:14:17.000 of course, I'm working, but it was just neat. It's 252 00:14:17.080 --> 00:14:19.240 really been a positive for me since. 253 00:14:19.360 --> 00:14:22.519 You know, since then, you've had other things happen, and 254 00:14:23.039 --> 00:14:27.399 we'll talk about that probably later. But over the years, 255 00:14:27.440 --> 00:14:33.320 have you had an idea of what bigfoot is as 256 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:37.399 you start to get more knowledgeable and start to go 257 00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:38.519 out looking for it. 258 00:14:39.919 --> 00:14:42.519 Yeah, yeah, man, I tell you so. I'm a Christian 259 00:14:42.960 --> 00:14:45.639 and I do and I don't like to talk about 260 00:14:45.639 --> 00:14:47.840 it and brag about it. I know everybody's got levels 261 00:14:47.879 --> 00:14:50.960 of involvement. I don't just show up at church every 262 00:14:51.000 --> 00:14:54.440 once in a while. I'm very active. I've been able 263 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:57.799 to play piano by ear about anything I want and 264 00:14:57.879 --> 00:15:00.519 sing a little bit since I was four, and so 265 00:15:00.600 --> 00:15:02.559 I share that at church, I play and sing a 266 00:15:02.559 --> 00:15:05.159 little bit. So it's it's a huge part of my life, 267 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:08.600 is what I'm saying. And the outdoors is very much 268 00:15:08.720 --> 00:15:11.360 part of that and connected me that way. And I 269 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:16.519 try to look look at Bigfoot and and anything really 270 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:20.360 through that lens, and a lot of people tend to 271 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:25.320 think that that's that's contradictory, But I think that the 272 00:15:25.360 --> 00:15:31.279 Bible is a supernatural, multi dimensional handbook. 273 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:34.480 Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages. 274 00:15:51.039 --> 00:15:54.320 Basically saying, Hey, there's a whole nother world that you 275 00:15:54.360 --> 00:15:57.600 can't see, and they cross over sometimes and there's there's 276 00:15:57.639 --> 00:16:00.159 a big picture here that you're a small part of. 277 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:04.919 So I did think it was just a flesh and 278 00:16:04.960 --> 00:16:09.360 blood thing. I think it may still be with some 279 00:16:10.240 --> 00:16:12.559 abilities that we don't know about. But I'll tell you 280 00:16:12.759 --> 00:16:19.679 The very next experience I really had was finding a 281 00:16:19.799 --> 00:16:25.159 really large footprint that through the course of some podcasts 282 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:28.080 and some mutual friends and it showed up in the 283 00:16:28.120 --> 00:16:31.960 Small Town Monster documentary. We've determined it was not actually 284 00:16:33.080 --> 00:16:36.000 a sasquatch. We've even had doctor Jeff Nolgrim kind of 285 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:39.200 look at the video and the pictures of it, so 286 00:16:39.399 --> 00:16:41.559 you know, that's a whole other rabbit hole there with 287 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:44.879 land between the lakes. But in doing that, the day 288 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:47.279 I found it, me and my son were there. We 289 00:16:47.360 --> 00:16:50.120 found it, I covered it up. I went back two 290 00:16:50.200 --> 00:16:54.759 days later with another friend of mine, lifelong friend from 291 00:16:54.879 --> 00:16:58.360 high school, and he was really interested in this, and 292 00:16:58.399 --> 00:17:02.399 while we were letting the plaster, I said, well, let's 293 00:17:02.440 --> 00:17:05.319 just go check this ridge out. So this was all 294 00:17:05.359 --> 00:17:07.440 new to me, and I really like to know the areas. 295 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:10.920 I'm sitting here looking at topographical maps of the entire 296 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:13.559 land between the lakes that of course printed out and 297 00:17:13.640 --> 00:17:17.039 go buy. So I was interested in the topography, of course. 298 00:17:17.079 --> 00:17:19.200 And there's a lot of old roads. You know, there's 299 00:17:19.200 --> 00:17:23.160 been settlements there, you know, if you know the story, 300 00:17:23.400 --> 00:17:25.960 there was towns there. So there's cool stuff. I know 301 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:28.559 where there's a model t for example, that's still pretty 302 00:17:28.599 --> 00:17:32.440 intact sitting up there. We found that this day. But 303 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:36.480 on the way back he found what he thought was 304 00:17:36.519 --> 00:17:41.079 a footprint on this little knole, and we've had some interactions. 305 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:43.920 We thought, you know, you can talk yourself into everything's 306 00:17:43.960 --> 00:17:46.680 big foot. You hear these things, and we're having fun 307 00:17:46.720 --> 00:17:51.880 with it. But he bent down and we heard a 308 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:56.799 jump down this ridge. You could feel it hit and 309 00:17:56.920 --> 00:18:03.160 you could feel the footsteps, no mistaken that bipedal heavy footsteps. 310 00:18:03.960 --> 00:18:06.480 We kind of take about ten more steps because we 311 00:18:06.559 --> 00:18:08.079 knew we were going to be able to see this 312 00:18:08.119 --> 00:18:11.160 thing running through this wide open forest. And it's it's 313 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:15.359 wintertime now, so there's you can see several hundred yards 314 00:18:15.359 --> 00:18:18.200 in a lot of these places and there's nothing there. 315 00:18:19.759 --> 00:18:24.680 It's it's just gone. And that has happened to my 316 00:18:24.799 --> 00:18:29.519 wife and I before. I do have a picture that 317 00:18:29.599 --> 00:18:33.519 I took of one I saw running on the ridge 318 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:37.599 and I snapped three shots and I've got what I 319 00:18:37.720 --> 00:18:41.079 know to be ducking behind a tree and kind of peeking, 320 00:18:41.240 --> 00:18:44.680 and I actually went up there the next weekend. I 321 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:47.000 took my wife to get a comparison shot of me 322 00:18:47.200 --> 00:18:50.480 in the photo to show that there was room for 323 00:18:50.559 --> 00:18:53.240 a man's size thing, and there wasn't a stump or anything, 324 00:18:53.920 --> 00:18:57.000 but I was not aiming. I saw this thing running 325 00:18:57.759 --> 00:19:01.200 and just held my phone up and where I found 326 00:19:01.240 --> 00:19:03.839 the pictures were way off in the frame, almost out 327 00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:06.960 of the frame because it covered so much ground in 328 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:10.759 a mere second. So I don't know if they're disappearing, 329 00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:14.359 or if they're actually that fast, or if they can 330 00:19:14.440 --> 00:19:20.240 cloak or what, but they do tend to disappear. And 331 00:19:20.279 --> 00:19:23.119 so these people that say they're multi dimensional, I have 332 00:19:23.160 --> 00:19:26.640 to believe as a Christian in another dimension, and that's 333 00:19:26.279 --> 00:19:30.359 well documented in the Bible, Old and New Testament about 334 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:35.160 angeels and people coming in and out of another realm 335 00:19:35.240 --> 00:19:38.319 into this realm. So I don't have a problem being 336 00:19:38.599 --> 00:19:40.160 believing any of that. 337 00:19:40.880 --> 00:19:45.880 If that answers the question, No, it definitely does. And 338 00:19:46.039 --> 00:19:49.039 I'm a Christian as well too. Listeners of the show 339 00:19:49.079 --> 00:19:52.559 will know that because I've said it in different shows before. 340 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:58.000 I really like the way that you put that, where, yeah, 341 00:19:58.039 --> 00:20:02.319 we believe that there's another it's so weird to think 342 00:20:02.319 --> 00:20:04.240 about that. I've never thought of it that way, but 343 00:20:04.319 --> 00:20:08.400 we literally do that there is another dimension that sometimes 344 00:20:08.400 --> 00:20:12.680 we see. That's wild. Yeah, it's absolutely true. Man, that's 345 00:20:12.720 --> 00:20:14.720 gonna that's gonna mess in my head tonight for. 346 00:20:14.759 --> 00:20:17.759 Quite a while. I'm sorry, No, I love it. 347 00:20:17.799 --> 00:20:20.960 That's that's so cool man. Like you know, you think 348 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:24.440 of the story of the stories of the angels and 349 00:20:24.799 --> 00:20:28.319 the demons in the Bible, and it's like, yeah, stuff 350 00:20:28.359 --> 00:20:33.599 is still going on today, man, but absolute, absolute, that's wild, 351 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:37.359 wild stuff. So that was what was it the time 352 00:20:37.640 --> 00:20:41.680 frame on that again where you would feel something jumped 353 00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:42.720 down the ridge? 354 00:20:44.079 --> 00:20:49.000 Yeah, that well, what had happened after mine, So that 355 00:20:49.039 --> 00:20:52.680 would have been late that would have been either late 356 00:20:52.839 --> 00:20:55.839 twenty twenty or early twenty twenty one. It was the 357 00:20:55.960 --> 00:21:00.920 winner and and again then it happened. I mean, I've 358 00:21:00.920 --> 00:21:05.319 had experiences this February. This past February, my wife actually 359 00:21:05.319 --> 00:21:08.720 had her first sighting. Now it was from some time away. 360 00:21:08.799 --> 00:21:11.440 But you get into these areas and I tell you what, 361 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:17.680 I purposely went. I purposely go to other areas to 362 00:21:18.599 --> 00:21:22.319 validate that I'm not finding things and I'm not thinking 363 00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:24.839 everything is a sash quarts or a big foot or 364 00:21:24.880 --> 00:21:28.680 some type of side. And I mean I fight miles. 365 00:21:29.440 --> 00:21:31.799 I go at least five miles on a short day 366 00:21:31.839 --> 00:21:34.480 trip and sometimes get into double digits. If I'm out 367 00:21:34.519 --> 00:21:39.079 all day and I'm off track, I say, usually start 368 00:21:39.160 --> 00:21:41.960 near a trailer a road, but you really got to 369 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:44.960 get off track to see a lot of this stuff. 370 00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:51.680 Sometimes the elevations here above sea level. The lake sits 371 00:21:51.799 --> 00:21:54.160 at three hundred and sixty feet, and some of the 372 00:21:54.240 --> 00:21:57.359 hills are up around six hundred feet at the peak. 373 00:21:57.440 --> 00:22:01.799 So sometimes I'm climbing hundred feet, which won't impress a 374 00:22:01.799 --> 00:22:04.440 lot of the real mountain folk, but it's I'm fifty two. 375 00:22:04.839 --> 00:22:06.920 It makes me huff and buff a little. But yeah, 376 00:22:06.960 --> 00:22:11.200 so I've had. That's when that one was, and then 377 00:22:11.240 --> 00:22:15.640 I've had. Basically, I don't get out much in the 378 00:22:15.799 --> 00:22:19.559 in the summertime. If there's listeners here around this area. 379 00:22:19.680 --> 00:22:23.319 I don't know if other areas are as bad as 380 00:22:23.359 --> 00:22:26.519 land between the lakes or not, but there are things 381 00:22:26.599 --> 00:22:30.160 that will bite you. You can't see them, you don't 382 00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:33.279 know what they are, where they came from. If you 383 00:22:33.359 --> 00:22:37.599 get out in the summertime, basically June, July, August, September, 384 00:22:37.640 --> 00:22:40.279 I don't really go, and if I do, I don't 385 00:22:40.279 --> 00:22:42.680 get off the trailer in the bush. But then the 386 00:22:42.720 --> 00:22:46.559 winter comes October definitely through March till the fish start biting. 387 00:22:46.599 --> 00:22:51.000 So October, November, December, January, February, March. I'm out there 388 00:22:51.319 --> 00:22:57.000 every weekend, sometimes multiple times a week, and again I 389 00:22:57.039 --> 00:23:00.559 can almost guarantee in this one area I and I 390 00:23:00.559 --> 00:23:02.519 don't take a lot of people there because I really 391 00:23:02.559 --> 00:23:05.160 think there's a group that lives there, and I don't 392 00:23:05.240 --> 00:23:09.440 want a bunch of people running through there hollering and 393 00:23:09.519 --> 00:23:13.279 knocking on trees and just acting a fool. You know, 394 00:23:13.400 --> 00:23:17.799 they might laugh at us, I think a lot. But yeah, 395 00:23:17.839 --> 00:23:19.960 I've got an area, man, where I can I'll find 396 00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:23.599 the prints and the tree structures fascinate me. I'm telling 397 00:23:23.599 --> 00:23:25.720 you there's something to that. I don't know if it's 398 00:23:25.759 --> 00:23:30.440 just their artwork, if there's a there's different areas where 399 00:23:30.440 --> 00:23:32.960 you'll find large ones. And then on these witchtops you'll 400 00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:36.799 find it's almost like children are juveniles, just like a 401 00:23:36.880 --> 00:23:40.839