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Join us on the web 31 00:01:55.640 --> 00:01:59.640 at where didth road goo dot com for a full show, 32 00:01:59.680 --> 00:02:04.280 our links to all our social media, upcoming schedule, and 33 00:02:04.480 --> 00:02:09.680 much much more. Now join your host Sayah on this 34 00:02:09.719 --> 00:02:16.599 week's edition of Where Did the Road Go? Welcome to 35 00:02:16.639 --> 00:02:20.080 the show, and Yes, this week we're going to be 36 00:02:20.080 --> 00:02:24.439 talking with Laird's Scranton and his brand new book is 37 00:02:24.479 --> 00:02:27.159 called Point of Origin Go Beckley Tepe and the Spiritual 38 00:02:27.199 --> 00:02:32.560 Matrix for the World's cosmologies. And are you there with us, Laird? 39 00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:35.960 Yes, I am sorry, I'm very glad to be with 40 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:36.360 you too. 41 00:02:36.599 --> 00:02:39.080 The opinions expressed by the hope and I should I 42 00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:40.919 should stop the other thing from playing? All right? 43 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:46.400 So this is this came out last month. Right, Actually 44 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:49.840 this has just been out this month. Actually, I guess 45 00:02:49.879 --> 00:02:52.719 you're right. It was February, not March, so it's within 46 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:53.759 the last couple of weeks. 47 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:57.639 Yeah, and it's on Inner Traditions, right, and you already 48 00:02:57.639 --> 00:02:58.560 have another book written. 49 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:02.240 There's a yeah, there's a follow on to this book 50 00:03:02.280 --> 00:03:05.319 that that was just submitted last week to the pup share, 51 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:09.360 and one in progress that's beyond that. 52 00:03:09.520 --> 00:03:12.080 So and as I joked with you off the air, 53 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:13.439 you're becoming on Nick Redford. 54 00:03:14.199 --> 00:03:16.960 Yeah, I'm starting to understand. You know that these actors 55 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:19.000 who go on the talk shows at night, you know, 56 00:03:19.240 --> 00:03:21.639 promoting their film that just came out, but they filmed 57 00:03:21.639 --> 00:03:23.439 the film like five years ago, and now they have 58 00:03:23.479 --> 00:03:26.039 to get repped back up into the mindset I put 59 00:03:26.039 --> 00:03:26.280 over it. 60 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:28.759 Right, right, You got to kind of go backwards and 61 00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:31.919 not give away too much of the new stuff before 62 00:03:31.919 --> 00:03:33.159 you haven't complete. 63 00:03:33.759 --> 00:03:39.039 That's right now, go on. Okay, I've sort of broken 64 00:03:39.080 --> 00:03:41.919 with tradition on a couple occasions and actually talked about 65 00:03:41.919 --> 00:03:46.560 the next book on one shows. I think the publisher's 66 00:03:46.560 --> 00:03:48.400 probably not too happy with me when I do that 67 00:03:48.439 --> 00:03:48.879 sort of thing. 68 00:03:50.120 --> 00:03:52.800 Well, this, uh, you got one of the pillars from 69 00:03:52.840 --> 00:03:54.759 Go Beckley Tepe and stuff on the cover here, and 70 00:03:54.759 --> 00:03:57.280 obviously Go Beckay Tepe is in the subtitle, but it's 71 00:03:57.280 --> 00:04:00.000 not a book about Go Beckley Tepe. That just played 72 00:04:00.159 --> 00:04:01.879 a part of it, right. 73 00:04:01.919 --> 00:04:04.000 And actually there was quite a bit of back and 74 00:04:04.039 --> 00:04:07.639 forth between me and the publisher about title, because from 75 00:04:07.680 --> 00:04:11.199 a marketing standpoint, they really wanted to emphasize Gobackley Tepe 76 00:04:11.599 --> 00:04:14.719 because it's an interesting topic to people these days. But 77 00:04:15.280 --> 00:04:17.279 I try to argue that the book really isn't about that. 78 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:20.360 I don't really want to mislead the readers into thinking 79 00:04:20.399 --> 00:04:23.519 that that's what this is about. Graham Hancock really says 80 00:04:23.519 --> 00:04:26.240 it best in his endorsement of the book. He says, 81 00:04:26.399 --> 00:04:30.360 the book's not about go Beckley Tepe. Instead, it puts 82 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:33.120 Go Beckley Tepe into a larger context that tries to 83 00:04:33.639 --> 00:04:36.279 understand where things go from Go Beckley Tepe. 84 00:04:36.639 --> 00:04:39.480 Yeah, that makes sense. That definitely describes it really well. 85 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:43.120 And your son actually wrote the introduction to this. 86 00:04:43.800 --> 00:04:49.040 Yes, he has been a very close follower and contributor, 87 00:04:49.079 --> 00:04:52.079 and my daughter also has contributed to information that has 88 00:04:52.120 --> 00:04:55.480 helped me along the way. And I thought that this 89 00:04:55.639 --> 00:04:57.639 was the book he's I know he's a very good writer, 90 00:04:58.079 --> 00:05:00.439 and I didn't put any limitations on on him on 91 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:05.680 what he should or shouldn't say, and just he expresses 92 00:05:05.720 --> 00:05:08.199 himself really well and he has good insights about the material. 93 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:10.720 I thought he was a good choice for a person 94 00:05:10.759 --> 00:05:11.839 to write the introduction. 95 00:05:12.480 --> 00:05:15.519 All right, So there's so much information in this book 96 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:17.720 it's ridiculous. Now the beginning of the book, you kind 97 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:19.399 of have to go over a little bit of the 98 00:05:19.399 --> 00:05:22.279 stuff in your previous books, and which is really necessary 99 00:05:22.279 --> 00:05:24.639 for your work, because if people haven't read the four 100 00:05:24.680 --> 00:05:27.040 books prior to this, they're going to be a little 101 00:05:27.079 --> 00:05:29.600 lost if they just if you just start up. So 102 00:05:29.680 --> 00:05:31.959 the first few chapters are are kind of, you know, 103 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:34.800 you talking about the previous books, ending in a little 104 00:05:34.800 --> 00:05:37.079 bit new here and there and some new connections, it 105 00:05:37.079 --> 00:05:41.279 seems like. But that must be frustrating for you to 106 00:05:41.319 --> 00:05:42.959 have to keep redoing. 107 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:48.000 That a little bit in the upcoming books. I'm trying 108 00:05:48.040 --> 00:05:50.800 to do less of it because I know that it 109 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:52.680 could be a problem for people who are familiar with 110 00:05:52.720 --> 00:05:56.360 the first books to have to reread that material. So 111 00:05:56.399 --> 00:05:58.319 what I'm trying to do in future books here is 112 00:05:59.480 --> 00:06:02.720 provide the information that's needed as a foundation for what 113 00:06:02.720 --> 00:06:05.319 I'm going to talk about, and just refer back to 114 00:06:05.360 --> 00:06:07.639 the other books. You'll see this other book if you 115 00:06:07.639 --> 00:06:08.839 want more detail us about. 116 00:06:08.680 --> 00:06:11.040 It, right right. But it is hard because you have 117 00:06:11.120 --> 00:06:14.959 such a thick, thick amount of data, so dense amount 118 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:17.040 of data there that people really need to understand to 119 00:06:17.120 --> 00:06:19.439 understand how important what you're talking about now is. 120 00:06:21.439 --> 00:06:24.120 Well, So it's a balance to try to strack between 121 00:06:24.120 --> 00:06:26.680 the two. I think we go four chapters before I 122 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:28.759 even mentioned go backly Tepe. 123 00:06:28.879 --> 00:06:32.759 Yeah. Yeah, And now what you're doing here is you're 124 00:06:32.839 --> 00:06:36.879 kind of tracing back, using cosmology, language and symbol and such, 125 00:06:37.839 --> 00:06:42.279 the origins of our civilization. Yeah, you're right. 126 00:06:42.279 --> 00:06:48.639 My wife Reset calls it layered's unified theory. She's afraid 127 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:50.839 that if I continue on this path too far, one 128 00:06:50.920 --> 00:06:52.680 day I'm going to find just the right piece of 129 00:06:52.720 --> 00:07:00.680 information and the reality is going to go poof. No, 130 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:03.759 what I'm trying to do here is I became acquainted 131 00:07:03.759 --> 00:07:06.639 with go Beckley Tepe a couple of years ago. I 132 00:07:06.680 --> 00:07:09.720 have I'm friendly with John Anthony West, and he and 133 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:11.720 Robert Shock were going to pay a visit to go 134 00:07:11.800 --> 00:07:14.600 back to Tepe and held a party at John's house 135 00:07:14.639 --> 00:07:17.439 one evening, a sort of seeing them off kind of party. 136 00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:19.240 And I had did a little bit of research about 137 00:07:19.240 --> 00:07:20.879 go back to Tepe for the first time, just to 138 00:07:20.879 --> 00:07:23.879 be able to talk intelligently about it with them. But 139 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:27.680 I could see that there is lots of familiar stuff 140 00:07:27.720 --> 00:07:33.160 there symbolically, things that that you know just intuitively seem 141 00:07:33.199 --> 00:07:35.759 to connect to later, later cultures. Even though there's a 142 00:07:35.839 --> 00:07:40.160 seven thousand year gap between Gobeckley Tepe at ten thousand 143 00:07:40.240 --> 00:07:45.000 BC in Turkey and ancient Egypt. You had dynastic Egypt 144 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:48.399 around three thousand BC in Egypt, plus there's a gap 145 00:07:48.439 --> 00:07:53.199 of distance also. But so part of the challenge for 146 00:07:53.279 --> 00:07:55.399 myself was how do you how do you connect this 147 00:07:55.439 --> 00:07:59.319 stuff forward? If if we're if there's an inkling that 148 00:07:59.319 --> 00:08:02.319 it does connect forward, what could we possibly do in 149 00:08:02.360 --> 00:08:06.079 the absence of written texts and that kind of evidence, 150 00:08:06.399 --> 00:08:08.439 what could possibly be done to try to link this 151 00:08:08.519 --> 00:08:14.120 stuff positively in a positive way to Egypt and Africa 152 00:08:14.279 --> 00:08:19.319 and India and Tibetan, China and places like that, right, 153 00:08:19.399 --> 00:08:21.519 And this is just that was sort of the mission 154 00:08:21.560 --> 00:08:23.519 statement for myself in writing the book. 155 00:08:23.959 --> 00:08:25.879 And when when we're trying to get at when you 156 00:08:25.920 --> 00:08:28.079 make these connections, you kind of hold yourself to pre 157 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:29.000 high standard. 158 00:08:29.040 --> 00:08:30.839 There, I seem to have lost you here, so right, 159 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:32.240 I can't hear you. 160 00:08:32.279 --> 00:08:33.080 Can you hear me? Now? 161 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:34.200 Yes? I can. 162 00:08:34.840 --> 00:08:37.320 That was weird. It seems like I have a bad 163 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:43.240 mic here on my computer. So you make I forgot 164 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:46.399 what I just said. Okay, Oh, you hold yourself to 165 00:08:46.480 --> 00:08:49.840 a high standard in how you accept data. 166 00:08:52.600 --> 00:08:54.720 That that comes out of sort of a self defense 167 00:08:54.759 --> 00:08:57.559 that I had to had to had to create for myself. 168 00:08:57.679 --> 00:09:02.639 The problem is that the human psyche is wired to 169 00:09:02.720 --> 00:09:08.759 find patterns and to seek them out, even when in 170 00:09:08.879 --> 00:09:13.080 situations where they might not really exist. And so what 171 00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:15.600 it looks like again, looks like I might have lost 172 00:09:15.639 --> 00:09:15.960 you here. 173 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:18.039 Do you hear me? Yes? 174 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:22.000 I can hear you again? Yes? Okay. So the problem is, 175 00:09:22.039 --> 00:09:23.840 you know, a child looking up at the sky at 176 00:09:23.840 --> 00:09:28.039 the clouds. You know, it's very easy to imagine images 177 00:09:28.039 --> 00:09:29.960 that aren't really there, or look there's a rabbit, or 178 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:33.440 look there's a horse. Well, the tendency for somebody like 179 00:09:33.480 --> 00:09:37.559 me who does research on ancient cultures is to perceive 180 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:41.120 a pattern or perceive an interpretation and then go pursue 181 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:46.080 it and sort of make it a self fulfilling prophecy, 182 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:50.559 to look for the factual information that's going to support 183 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:53.159 this idea that you came up with out of thin air, 184 00:09:53.679 --> 00:09:57.519 and so to protect against that, the rule I made 185 00:09:57.559 --> 00:10:00.159 for myself is that every interpretation has to start with 186 00:10:00.200 --> 00:10:03.039 a statement on the part of the cultures that I'm studying. 187 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:05.960 In other words, they're the ones who said the Dogan, 188 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:10.559 are the ones who say that their creation tradition describes 189 00:10:10.600 --> 00:10:13.480 how matter was formed. I don't they say it, and 190 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:16.200 then I just follow what they say. And so that's 191 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:18.000 one way of keeping things. 192 00:10:17.840 --> 00:10:22.679 Rooted right right. Uh. And when you talk about creation traditions, 193 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:25.480 it almost seems like there's a duel there there, Like 194 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:28.279 there's the creation tradition of how matter is formed, but 195 00:10:28.279 --> 00:10:31.399 there's also kind of the relaunching of society, as if 196 00:10:32.879 --> 00:10:34.759 like the end of the ice age wiped everything out. 197 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:37.600 And this is also how they they put a plan 198 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:41.840 together to civilize us and give us agriculture and things 199 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:42.279 like that. 200 00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:45.480 Well, that's that's what it looks like to me. But 201 00:10:45.519 --> 00:10:48.440 it looks like that to me based on statements. The 202 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:51.519 clear statements are made by some of the cultures. The 203 00:10:51.519 --> 00:10:54.360 Buddhists are one the Dogan or one the Egyptians are one. 204 00:10:54.399 --> 00:10:59.559 For that matter, the Egyptians make several different statements culturally 205 00:10:59.600 --> 00:11:06.919 about having received instruction or having received civilizing skills from 206 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:10.840 an outside source in each of the written language. The 207 00:11:10.879 --> 00:11:13.440 hieroglyphic language was deemed to have been given to them 208 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:17.159 by their gods, and the plan for Gizus supposedly fell 209 00:11:17.200 --> 00:11:22.879 from the sky, you know, a llah a crop circle. Really, yeah, 210 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:27.519 So there are connections here in lot of these cultures. 211 00:11:27.519 --> 00:11:29.159 But the Dogan are very clear about it, and the 212 00:11:29.159 --> 00:11:31.679 Buddhists are very clear about it. They flatly say, Look, 213 00:11:32.399 --> 00:11:37.919 the most essential of the of these symbolic ideas that 214 00:11:38.080 --> 00:11:41.679 our system is based on, we received from somebody as 215 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:45.679 instruction and it was part of it was tagged to 216 00:11:45.720 --> 00:11:47.960 a civilizing plan that was meant to teach us how 217 00:11:47.960 --> 00:11:51.720 to be farmers. And so that's sort of the perspective. 218 00:11:51.759 --> 00:11:55.440 I'm working from a Gobeclea Tepe. And that's lucky because 219 00:11:55.799 --> 00:11:59.080 in the same region that Gobeckley Tepe is located in 220 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:03.480 southeastern near the Fertile Crescent, also near where Mount Ara 221 00:12:03.600 --> 00:12:07.360 Rat was places like that in that region, that locality 222 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:15.799 you find the first evidence of cultivated grains, of domesticated animals, 223 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:22.039 of metallurgy working with metal of the stone mason ray 224 00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:29.440 that quebecle Tappe, excavating and carving stone, and there are 225 00:12:29.440 --> 00:12:31.399 a number of other things going on in that region 226 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:33.799 that make it look like you've got had a major 227 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:38.159 revolution in in in civilization in that region. That is 228 00:12:38.200 --> 00:12:42.960 hard to explain why it happened at Goebekley Tappe. Uh. 229 00:12:42.559 --> 00:12:46.679 The the carved stones we see there actually precede the 230 00:12:46.799 --> 00:12:49.759 earliest evidence we have of tools capable of building them. 231 00:12:49.960 --> 00:12:50.879 That's how early it is. 232 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:54.759 And that's that's so fascinating. I mean, and there's h 233 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:56.879 there's bound to be other sites like this, I would 234 00:12:56.879 --> 00:12:58.720 think buried somewhere else in the world. 235 00:12:59.679 --> 00:13:03.200 Yes, And also it looks to me as if okay, 236 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:06.679 go back to tape after about a thousand years. One 237 00:13:06.679 --> 00:13:08.679 of the interesting things about it is that it was 238 00:13:08.720 --> 00:13:12.679 deliberately and carefully buried by somebody in a way that 239 00:13:12.919 --> 00:13:17.639 was meant not to not to damage the carvings on 240 00:13:17.679 --> 00:13:21.039 the stones, and in a very respectful way. They can 241 00:13:21.080 --> 00:13:23.399 tell from the materials that were used to fill it 242 00:13:23.679 --> 00:13:26.159 that this was not natural. You know, like wind blown 243 00:13:26.279 --> 00:13:29.320 or water carried or anything like that. It's not natural version. 244 00:13:29.720 --> 00:13:33.720 Somebody deliberately buried the site. As we get on into 245 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:37.519 the next books, I talk about a couple of other 246 00:13:37.639 --> 00:13:41.600 later sites that were also deliberately buried, but where the 247 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:44.879 people who buried the sites left symbolic messages as to 248 00:13:44.960 --> 00:13:47.519 why they did it. And it looks to me as 249 00:13:47.519 --> 00:13:53.480 if there's deliberate symbolism here. Part of it is to say, look, 250 00:13:53.759 --> 00:13:57.879 this site completed its purpose, and our burying it shows 251 00:13:57.919 --> 00:14:01.960 you that that if if the purpose had been interrupted, 252 00:14:02.159 --> 00:14:05.159 it wouldn't have been buried. But because it was, it 253 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:07.679 came to full completion, bearing at a sort of a 254 00:14:07.759 --> 00:14:10.080 ritual that says that now. 255 00:14:10.200 --> 00:14:12.679 Now, if I remember right, Andrew Collins had suggested that 256 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:16.240 parts of quebecley Tepe were buried and then new parts built. 257 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:24.120 It was built over time at different archaeological levels, sort 258 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:30.000 of stratgific levels. There are multiple stone circles that are 259 00:14:30.399 --> 00:14:33.200 all very much like one another at quebeckle Tepe. It's 260 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:38.080 hard to explain why was that done, because clearly, you know, 261 00:14:38.159 --> 00:14:43.039 in some cultures a structure had to be rebuilt, or 262 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:46.879 an older temple was superseded by a newer temple. But 263 00:14:47.039 --> 00:14:49.480 these structures, there was nothing wrong with them. There was 264 00:14:49.519 --> 00:14:52.879 no reason to decommission them, especially to build another structure 265 00:14:52.919 --> 00:14:55.799 that was just exactly like it, or almost exactly like it. 266 00:14:56.000 --> 00:14:58.360 And so from my point of view, it makes a 267 00:14:58.399 --> 00:15:01.440 lot more sense to look at these as sort of 268 00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:06.399 the final projects of students who were taught stone skills, 269 00:15:06.559 --> 00:15:10.639 stone working skills. If you imagine that that that might 270 00:15:10.679 --> 00:15:14.440 be possible, that might go a long way to explaining 271 00:15:14.519 --> 00:15:17.000 why in various regions of the planet we see such 272 00:15:17.080 --> 00:15:22.960 similarity in stone work. One one possible solution is they 273 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:24.279 were all taught by the same. 274 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:28.440 People, right, right, and uh, that goes back to who 275 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:31.399 were those people who taught that? I mean the the 276 00:15:31.399 --> 00:15:34.440 the most popular view is that either it's ancient aliens 277 00:15:34.559 --> 00:15:36.840 or the Anaki, who may or may not have been aliens. 278 00:15:36.840 --> 00:15:38.360 But you don't if I remember it, you don't think 279 00:15:38.360 --> 00:15:39.639 the Onanaki were a people. 280 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:46.519 These these questions are difficult ones because of the way 281 00:15:46.639 --> 00:15:51.799 this system, this creation system and civilizing plan work. I'll 282 00:15:51.799 --> 00:15:55.440 try to explain that a little bit from the perspective 283 00:15:55.480 --> 00:16:00.000 of the Dogan and the Buddhists. When we talk about create. 284 00:16:00.679 --> 00:16:04.639 In the ancient mindset, we're talking about three themes of creations, 285 00:16:04.679 --> 00:16:08.559 at least three themes of creation simultaneously, we're talking about 286 00:16:09.320 --> 00:16:18.639 how the universe form, how matterforms, and how function happens 287 00:16:19.120 --> 00:16:22.320 and in the outlook of the doga and those processes 288 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:25.639 are so fundamentally similar to one another that a single 289 00:16:25.759 --> 00:16:30.279 set of symbols is used to simultaneously describe all three themes. 290 00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:34.240 And so anytime you are talking about the meaning of 291 00:16:34.279 --> 00:16:38.200 a symbol, you can only talk about it intelligently if 292 00:16:38.440 --> 00:16:41.440 if you couch that in relation to one of those themes. 293 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:44.679 What does a hemisphere mean? In relation to biological reproduction, 294 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:49.759 it symbolizes a womb, a woman's expanded womb. If we're 295 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:55.399 talking about matter or the formation of matter, a hemisphere 296 00:16:55.399 --> 00:17:01.879 represents the concept of expanding mass. In biology reproduction, the 297 00:17:01.919 --> 00:17:06.160 process begins with a fertilized egg. If we're talking about 298 00:17:06.200 --> 00:17:09.359 the formation of the universe, it begins with a cosmogonic egg. 299 00:17:10.200 --> 00:17:15.880 And so each of these symbols carries nuances of symbolism 300 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:18.119 that are different if we're talking about creation of the 301 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:20.599 universe as opposed to creation of matter, and so it 302 00:17:20.640 --> 00:17:24.720 gets a little bit complex. To distinguish what is symbolic 303 00:17:24.799 --> 00:17:29.319 and what is cosmological as opposed to what is factually historic. 304 00:17:29.960 --> 00:17:33.119 And in terms of the Anonak, there's a level at 305 00:17:33.200 --> 00:17:37.279 which everything about the concept of the Ananoke looks like 306 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:41.839 it's symbolical biological reproduction to me. And so I don't 307 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:44.640 have I don't have firm reasons yet to think that 308 00:17:44.720 --> 00:17:50.480 it goes beyond that to a historic level. That doesn't 309 00:17:50.519 --> 00:17:52.240 mean that it doesn't. It just means that I don't 310 00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:54.359 have that information. You have to be able to bind 311 00:17:54.400 --> 00:17:58.759 that down. But it's entirely possible that it's completely cosmological 312 00:17:58.759 --> 00:17:59.920 and it's about creation. 313 00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:05.039 Okay, Now, just a few minutes ago, you mentioned the 314 00:18:05.359 --> 00:18:08.640 Giza plateau being laid out and coming down. Is that 315 00:18:08.680 --> 00:18:11.599 part of your work with Ed Nightingale. 316 00:18:12.279 --> 00:18:16.079 Yes, sort of. In the tradition in Egypt is that 317 00:18:16.119 --> 00:18:18.880 the plan quote unquote fell from the sky. They don't 318 00:18:19.400 --> 00:18:23.200 explain what that means, and I'm imagining that it implies something. 319 00:18:23.200 --> 00:18:26.720 I can to two crop circles, because we certainly have 320 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:31.759 seen geometry fall from the sky before. Ed Ed Nightingale 321 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:36.160 is a very good friend of mine. He's a master 322 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:43.200 wood carver from Pennsylvania. He's restored artifacts for the the 323 00:18:43.200 --> 00:18:47.079 the popes in Rome in the battle. He's this is 324 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:50.400 a really talented guy, and he spent the last twenty 325 00:18:50.480 --> 00:18:53.599 years sort of reverse engineering what the layout of the 326 00:18:53.599 --> 00:18:57.559 structures on the Giza plateau is about. He tried, he's 327 00:18:57.680 --> 00:19:01.559 he's come up with a very compelling rationale opinion for 328 00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:04.880 why things were placed the way they were. He can 329 00:19:04.920 --> 00:19:07.559 derive it all from a grid, basically, a grid that 330 00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:12.000 makes sense historically and cosmologically in about fourteen other ways. 331 00:19:12.279 --> 00:19:17.519 And it makes sense mathematically and geometrically, and it ties 332 00:19:18.039 --> 00:19:21.000 to the way all the concepts of constellations were laid out, 333 00:19:21.440 --> 00:19:24.880 you know, in the universe above us. There's all sorts 334 00:19:24.880 --> 00:19:27.440 of different things that ties into and it seems really 335 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:30.880 sensible to me. And I cooperated with him on trying 336 00:19:30.920 --> 00:19:33.279 to get his book written this last year. 337 00:19:33.440 --> 00:19:34.319 Okay, is that out? 338 00:19:35.200 --> 00:19:39.039 Yes, it's out. It's called The Giza Template, and that's 339 00:19:39.079 --> 00:19:41.799 available you know, through through Amazon and places like that. 340 00:19:42.799 --> 00:19:45.640 I'm listed as co author on the book, but the 341 00:19:46.079 --> 00:19:49.759 bulk of the writing and the work is his, Okay, 342 00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:53.720 sort of, My wife Reesa and I acted at his 343 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:58.400 as his editors and people to bounce you know, sounding 344 00:19:58.400 --> 00:20:00.680 boards to bounce ideas back and forth. With a lot 345 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:02.599 of his work and a lot of the meetings he 346 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:05.200 comes up with overlap with things I've researched, and so 347 00:20:05.519 --> 00:20:07.640 we were able to sort of narrow in on some 348 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:11.640 of the perspectives he was he was gaining through discussion, 349 00:20:12.799 --> 00:20:16.400 and I think we generally encouraged him to just find 350 00:20:16.400 --> 00:20:18.160 a way to get the book finished. 351 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:26.680 Nice Okay, A Cast recommends, how are you doing there? 352 00:20:26.720 --> 00:20:29.960 This is David from the David McWilliams podcast, the podcast 353 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:34.920 that makes economics as comprehensible as possible. We are going 354 00:20:34.960 --> 00:20:37.319 to look at economics through the lens of the World 355 00:20:37.319 --> 00:20:40.279 Cup and the special World Cup Economics series. 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The other hand, on the one you're listening 365 00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:10.200 to right now. 366 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:18.039 So one of the cosmological themes you keep coming back 367 00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:19.880 to in this book for all these different cultures, you 368 00:21:19.920 --> 00:21:23.839 see in importance of Sirius, of Orion and of Bernard's loop, 369 00:21:24.119 --> 00:21:26.519 and why why do you think these three points are 370 00:21:26.599 --> 00:21:27.599 so important? 371 00:21:29.519 --> 00:21:34.720 That's a hard concept to explain. The Dogans say that 372 00:21:37.880 --> 00:21:42.039 the Dogan have a similar practice to the Egyptians. In Egypt, 373 00:21:42.119 --> 00:21:45.640 what we see on the Giza plateau are stones set 374 00:21:45.680 --> 00:21:51.599 out that seem to symbolize stars. Robert Bobal thinks that 375 00:21:51.640 --> 00:21:56.440 the three pyramids at Geza represent the belt stars of Orion. Now, 376 00:21:56.480 --> 00:21:59.440 the Dogan have a similar practice where they place large 377 00:21:59.480 --> 00:22:03.000 stones on a plateau to represent stars that are important 378 00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:06.200 in their cosmology, including the three belt stars of Orion. 379 00:22:07.519 --> 00:22:10.920 And with those three they say that the reason that 380 00:22:10.960 --> 00:22:14.319 they're placing those stones is to draw our attention to 381 00:22:14.400 --> 00:22:20.839 something that they call the Chariot of Orion. The French 382 00:22:20.880 --> 00:22:23.880 anthropologists who studied the Dogan imagine that the Chariot of 383 00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:28.119 Orion was somehow represented by the entire constellation of Orion, 384 00:22:28.640 --> 00:22:30.279 and that's sort of the way he pictures it in 385 00:22:30.319 --> 00:22:34.079 his book. But when we get down to it, we 386 00:22:34.160 --> 00:22:37.839 realize there's something else going on. It comes down to 387 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:43.519 associations between the concept of a cubit and the concept 388 00:22:43.559 --> 00:22:48.240 of a light. Here to get to this, in Dogan cosmology, 389 00:22:48.279 --> 00:22:51.680 there's a character who represents light, who measures out the 390 00:22:51.799 --> 00:22:55.400 universe in eight billion steps. Well, I know the universe 391 00:22:55.440 --> 00:22:58.359 doesn't measure eight billion steps. I also know that the 392 00:22:58.400 --> 00:23:03.000 word step is code. It's cosmological code, a symbolic word 393 00:23:03.039 --> 00:23:07.759 that means cuban. But the visible universe does measure eight 394 00:23:07.799 --> 00:23:11.720 billion light years approximately. So it looked to me as 395 00:23:11.720 --> 00:23:15.160 if someone were setting up a correlation between cubans and 396 00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:18.359 light years. So I asked myself, how did we know 397 00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:20.960 how big a cubit was? Well, that takes us back 398 00:23:20.960 --> 00:23:24.359 to the dimensions of the Great Pyramid, which measures four 399 00:23:24.440 --> 00:23:26.559 hundred and forty cubits per side and two hundred and 400 00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:31.000 eighty cubits high. I also knew that Robert Boball thought 401 00:23:31.079 --> 00:23:33.799