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your support. All Right, so I did follow the news

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while I was on vacation because ABP always be prepping

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and I have a lot so and of course I

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have now way more prep than I can get to.

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But I want to start with the story here because

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today is December first, and that means today is day

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one of Arena's law being implemented, well part of it.

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The other part will be implemented next year, which is

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the involuntary commitment component of the law that's designed to

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basically tell the local jurisdictions the state is telling the

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local jurisdictions your priorities suck. Okay, That's basically what this

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is all about.

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Speaker 2: And if you don't.

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Speaker 1: Believe me, you will hear it in the audio that

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I have obtained exclusively from the public meeting that was

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broadcast over the YouTube. It was the Mecklinberg County Commission.

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And they brought up the director of the Criminal Justice

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Services Agency in Mecklinberg County. They brought up Chief Judge Wiggins,

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They brought up Sheriff Gary not my fault McFadden. They

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brought up the District Attorney, they brought up the public defender,

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they brought up the Clerk of Court, all to tell

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us the same thing, which is, one, we're going to

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need a lot more money to do the things that

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now we are required to do under state law, this

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new state law number one. Number two, we don't have

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the money from We're not getting any new money from

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the state. Also, number three, we don't know exactly how

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much money we're going to need or how well of

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this is going.

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Speaker 2: To impact us yet. Okay, so we need more money.

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Speaker 1: It's not coming from the state, and we don't know

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how much we're going to be asking for. We don't

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know what the impact is going to be, but we

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do expect there to be an increase in the number

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of people being processed through the jail and the number

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of people that are going to be housed at the jail,

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or as our sheriff calls them, residents of the jail.

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And by the way, he said, it's not his fault.

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So this from the Charlotte Observer from last week, the

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way they wrote it up, Mary Ramsey, the Reporter. A

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new state law named for the Ukrainian refugee fatally stabbed

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on Charlotte's light rail will increase staffing and funding needs

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for Mecklenberg County's criminal justice system, official say, but exactly

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how much remains unclear. County commissioners heard an update from

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Sheriff Gary not my fault McFadden, Chief District Judge Roy Wiggins,

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and Criminal Justice Services Director Sonya Harper on the local

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impacts of Arena's law. Many provisions in the new law

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were named after that was named after twenty three year

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old Arena Zarutzka. Take effect today on Monday today. So

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I did what you I'm sure don't want to, which

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is I watched the hour long meeting, which, by the way,

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this is now a pattern. I've identified this before with

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the Charlotte city officials. They have begun doing this. This

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never used to happen. I shouldn't say never. This would

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rarely occur When I was a reporter for WBT News.

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This would have been from like two thousand through two

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thousand and eight. And the Charlotte City officials I noticed

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they are doing this now. They are holding these press conferences.

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They don't take questions from the media, but they will

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allow media representatives. They'll allow reporters to after the press

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conference is over, they'll let a reporter go and pull

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one of the participants in the press conference. They'll pull

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them off to the side and you can do a

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one on one. Which this is a TV construct, by

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the way, like that whole thing. It's just it's a

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TV construct because TV people in like the management and

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the assignment editor desks and the producer and all of that,

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they don't like the look of a person standing at

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a podium taking questions and reading statements.

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Speaker 2: They don't like the visual.

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Speaker 1: They prefer a more you know, close in shot, close

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up of the guy's face or the gal's face that

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you're interviewing, and you know, the MIC flag and only

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the mic flag of the TV station in their face

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and then answering a question. It's a complete construct. Okay,

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you're going to get better answers when the media acts

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as a pack. That was always the case, and so

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that's why they don't do it anymore. Right, they are

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the local city officials. By doing their press conferences this way,

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they are controlling the way the media is able to

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behave in getting answers out of these elected officials. Now,

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whether they know that or not, I'm not sure. My

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bet would be of course they do so. At this

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County commission meeting, same sort of artificial construct. They set

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the meeting and they set it for one hour, and

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they say, well, we got somebody else that needs the room,

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and we got to go to do this other thing,

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and so we only have one hour. And by limiting

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the meeting to one hour, with presentations from Judge Wiggins,

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Sheriff McFadden, and the Director of the Criminal Justice Services,

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Sonya Harper, they each gave their presentation, each one ran

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about ten minutes.

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Speaker 2: And then all the county.

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Speaker 1: Commissioners, there are nine of them, they basically get one

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or two questions and they put all of the county

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commissioners on a clock. And that's because of Vilmalik. Okay,

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all right, let's just be honest about that. That's because

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of Commissioner vill Malik, who would just ask questions for

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six hours if you gave her the opportunity. They've had

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to deal with this when she was on school board.

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They've had to deal with it when she's on county commission.

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She just doesn't stop with the questions, and she always

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asks them. I guess for clarity for the people that

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are out there. Not that she doesn't know what she's

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asking about, it's just that she thinks other people may

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not know, so she's going to ask a really stupid

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obvious question. So anyway, they got all the county commissioners

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on a clock.

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Speaker 2: I didn't think it was like.

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Speaker 1: A two minute' clock, and that means you only get

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like one or two minutes or sorry, one or two questions.

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So it wasn't it wasn't a deep dive. You don't

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get a deep dive here. Now, maybe they're doing the

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deep dives off camera outside of a public meeting, and

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they're figuring this stuff out in their own way. Maybe

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I just note the way you structure these types of events,

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you induce certain outcomes. So let me start with Sonya Harper,

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and she is again the director of me Umber County

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Criminal Justice Services, and she says that the biggest impacts

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will be seen in the pre trial process. Okay, So

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that includes from the moment you are brought into the

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processing center for arrest and then your first appearance in

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front of a judicial official.

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Speaker 3: It identifies that an arresting law enforcement, a pre trial

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services program, or a district attorney must provide a criminal

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history for judicial offendant defendant. I will say for us

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at CJS, the work that we conduct already in this

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space is currently we conduct public safety assessments as well

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as run criminal records for each person who is booked

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into the Mecklenberg County Jail. So we fully intend to

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continue providing those records in the public safety assessments again

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for those booked into the jail. But this does expand

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and again requires that record to be run for each

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each person who is arrested and presented at at an

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arrest processing center. It also includes here when that record

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is produced, it does require that a judicial official consider

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the full criminal history, not just the convictions when they're

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setting conditions of pre trial release.

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The arena's law takes effect today and Mecklemburg County judicial

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and government officials are very concerned. Capital v Capital c

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trademark on that one very concerned at the impact that's

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going to have on the criminal justice system. Why I

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would submit it's because they have been misprioritizing public safety

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for a very very long time funding all these other

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things that now they are complaining they're not going to

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be able to fund because they put them as a

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higher priority. We'll get to that though. So according to

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the the director of the County Criminal Justice Services, Sonya Harper,

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she says, like they're already doing, you know, the complete

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record as part of their safety assessments for the people

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coming through the jail and all of that, but not

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all of them because they've been operating what they called

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the risk model versus a charging model. So a lot

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of people would never make their first appearances. They would

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they would just be released unsecured, and so they'd spend

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very little time in the jail. And so while the

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CJS would compile these reports or these records rather, they say,

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there's not going to be a big difference for them.

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Speaker 2: But here's the key.

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Speaker 1: Judges will now have to consider all arrests in a

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defendant's history, not just the convictions.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so can you.

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Speaker 1: See here how plea deals that drop a bunch of

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charges that how this has helped to create the turnstyle,

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the catch and release in our judicial system, right, because

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you're not ever seeing as the judge, you're not seeing

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their record.

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Speaker 2: The CJS is.

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Speaker 1: It's not giving you all of the arrests going back

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a decade, going back fifteen years, going back twenty years.

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All they're doing is giving you the convictions. And if

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you get popped for five or six charges, initially from

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the from the police, right they arrest you, They're like,

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we got you on five or six items here they

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bring you in, but then you eventually go through the

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court process and the DA drops four of the five charges. Well,

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now you just have one conviction for one thing, and

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that's an easier record to compile, and the judge just

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sees that they just see, oh, one conviction from six

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year years ago. What they don't see is that you've

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been arrested two dozen times since that conviction, but you've

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walked on all of those charges. In the interim, Sonya

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Harper then goes on to say here that the new

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law eliminates the written promise to appear.

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Speaker 3: There had been quite a bit of language out in

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the media talking about you cashless bail North Carolina. We've

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never really had cashless bail in our state, but written

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promised to appear is also in a lot of states

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referred to being released on your own recognitances, And so

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under this effective on December first, that will no longer

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be an option here in North Carolina. The other changes

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here is it does not permit for the imposition of

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unsecured bonds or custody releases for any defendant charge with

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the violent offense.

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Speaker 1: So when you hear people use the term cashless bail,

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she's saying that we don't really have that. What we

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have had is the written promise to appear, which is

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basically the same thing. Basically like I promise I will

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show up in court for my first appearance. And that's

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what the magistrates have been doing. They've been you know,

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they get the person in front of them and they're like,

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do I need to hold this person? They're not charged

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with a serious offense or a violent defense, and all

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I have to do as a magistrate is to make

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sure that they show up for their first appearance. If

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they are not a threat to the public, if they

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don't pose some sort of danger, if they're not a

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flight risk, that's it. Well, they look at a schedule

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of charges, and if the schedule of charges has the

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charge that you know, you know, I'm in front of

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a magistrate and I'm charged with stalking. They look at

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the list and they say stalking. You're not a danger

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to the public because that's on the list, which by

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the way, it now is on the list. That was

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part of the law change also as well as arson.

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So now those things go off the list and now

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they have to hold me, whereas before I could walk. Also,

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anybody who has been convicted of three or more offensive

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in the previous ten years is not eligible for the

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unsecured bond. And so this is a difference between the

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secured bond and unsecured bond. Secured bond, does I understand

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it means you got to pay the you gotta pay

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the whole thing, right, and then an unsecured bond is

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where you pay a portion of it or something like

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this gets into the whole the bail system and everything

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like that. And one of the bail bondsmen spoke at

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the congressional hearing in Charlotte and he was talking about how,

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you know, the unsecured bond is is a huge problem

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because there's nobody to go after. There's nobody to hold

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that defendant accountable because usually some family member or the

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person themselves, The defendant themselves have to put up the

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ten percent towards the bond right in order to bail out,

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and that keeps them connected to the local jurisdiction because

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they're family or they themselves have to Then they would

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have to be on the hook for the rest of

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the ninety percent if the person were to skip down.

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Speaker 2: So no more unsecured bonds.

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Speaker 1: If you've got three or more convictions over the last

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ten years, that's essentially like a three strikes rule, right,

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three convictions serious crimes, ten years, you don't get you

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don't get an unsecured bond.

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Speaker 2: You got to pay it all. You got to go

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secure it all.

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Speaker 1: Right, If you're listening to this show, you know I

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try to keep up with all sorts of current events,

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and I know you do too, And you've probably heard

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me say get your news from multiple sources. Why, Well,

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from the Mecklinberg County Commission meeting last week, the Director

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of Mecklenburg County Criminal Justice Services, Sonya Harper, told the

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commissioners what the new law Arena's Law, what it would do,

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and some of the impact it's going to have on

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the judicial system here in Mecklinburg County. One of the

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things is that if any judicial official, so a magistrate

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or a judge, anybody releases a defendant. They now have

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to provide a written finding of facts to explain their decision. Okay,

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And that's an inversion, that is a flip. If you

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were holding them, you had to have the findings effect.

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Now it's turned over. Now if you're going to release,

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you have to explain why you are releasing people that

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are now categorized under Arena's law. And in those cases,

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a secure bond or house arrest are the only options

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available to the judge. Secured bond or house arrest. She

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expects that this is going to slow down the process

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for everybody involved at all stages.

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Speaker 3: You know, with the violent offenses and again those requirements

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with certain offenses for folks to bypass initial appearance and

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be required to be booked into the jail. We are

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in fact of expecting increased volume at the arrest processing

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center or at AP. Attached to this obviously is going

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to increase workloads in a few different spaces they are

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at arrest processing. We would expect increases in the magistrate workload.

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There are also some requirements with criminal record checks and

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things that will also come into effect with magistrates, which

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again are just additional steps within the process. Also kind

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of tied to that, we are expecting longer delays at

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the arrest processing center for law enforcement officers. So again,

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just with that increased volume, it's going to take our

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officers longer to have cases processed, arrest process there at

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AP that.

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Speaker 2: Arrest processing center AP.

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Speaker 1: So she says that her agency, the Criminal Justice Services,

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they ran more than twelve thousand safety assessments last year, okay,

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as part of these cases going to the judges. Twelve

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thousand safety assessments. But get this in another part later on,

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about half hour later in the presentation, she said, there

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were twenty two thousand bookings at the jail, so you

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have almost twice as many bookings at the jail. Then

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you have the safety assessments being run. Twelve thousand safety

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assessments twenty two thousand bookings, so a delta there of

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about ten thousand. She expects the number of these assessments

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to increase significantly, but they don't know how large it

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will be. They also expect an increase in the jail capacity,

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an increase in the dockets for first appearances, as well

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as an increase in the need for ankle monitoring because

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if you go through you and you're a judge or

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a magistrate and you want to you want to release somebody,

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you have to explain why, and then your only options

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are secured bond or house arrest. And so they anticipate

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a lot of the judges and magistrates are going to

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send the people back home on house arrest, especially with

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Gary McFadden crying about not having enough room in the jail, which, oh,

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by the way, I might want to point this out,

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perhaps maybe we should have built a new jail by now.

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We hear all of these reports about how many people

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are moving to Charlotte every single day, the explosive growth

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that we have seen in Mecklemburg County for the past

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forty years. And the last time that a new jail

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was built here was when ninety seven, and then the

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tower was added in two thousand and two. So we've

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gone twenty years without a new jail being built. Have

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there been more people coming to Charlotte Mecklelberg in the

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last twenty years, of course, but there's been no capacity added.

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Why not, Well, so this way you can release more

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defendants because we don't have the bedspace. See, so they

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expect an increase in the jail capacity they expected an

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increase in the ankle monitoring, which is a Charlotte Mecklenberg

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Police program, that's a CMPD program, and CMPD has said that,

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like they're basically almost maxed out on ankle monitoring, so

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we're going to have to probably look at spending more

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money to buy more ankles and more monitoring or ankle monitors.

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We're not buying ankles, we're just buying the monitors for

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the ankles. They expect an increase in pre trial supervision

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in certain cases as well. But the involuntary commitment procedures

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that were originally part of the bill of part of

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this law that we was supposed to take effect today,

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those have been pushed off one so those will go

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into effect December one, six, which she says will give

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them time to at least prepare.

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Speaker 3: For it, which is which is a good thing, because

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this piece here is also going to be is also

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going to take some time and some work for us

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to build out to be able to support it. So

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with THEVC commitment IVC processes or in voluntary commitment proceedings

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under this section of HB three oh seven, it does

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create a new pre trial release procedure that requires a

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judicial official to initiate an IVC automatically for any person

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again who's charged with a violent offense and have been

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subject to an IBC within the previous three years.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So this is going to create a new procedural

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step because it's going to require a search of a

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record to determine if a defendant has had an involuntary

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commitment order in the previous three years. Also, an IVC

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proceeding is to be initiated if a judicial official believes

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that a defendant is a danger to himself or others.

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Mechlenberg has four examiners who would be required to conduct

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these assessments for the involuntary commitment orders the ivcs. The

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arresting officers will then have to transport the IVC defendants,

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and so that's going to create an additional burden on

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the officers. So judges will no longer have discretion on

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whether to allow release for violent offenses. There is now

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a presumption for violent felonies that there are no conditions

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of release that can ensure the safety of the public.

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That is a key change. Okay, the presumption if you

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are brought in as a defendant, you are charged with

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this list of these certain serious violent crimes. There is

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the presumption now is that there isn't any condition for

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your release. It's presumed that you are a danger of

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you being charged with the violent felonies. Now this is

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what they call rebuttable by the defense. So the public

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defender or defense attorney can say, no, no, no, they're

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not a danger. But there's some timing issue there that's

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going to make that difficult. The public defender says, for

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the violent felonies, the written findings by the judge used

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to be for a secured bond, but now it's flipped.

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As I mentioned, judges have to provide written findings for

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unsecured bonds. The incentive was to do unsecured bonds to

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reduce workload. That's me saying that here's a great idea.

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the way that we used to do before today, the

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way that in the system that judges would have to

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provide written findings for secured bond. If they were going

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to issue secured bond, they would have to issue their

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a written set of findings as to why that that

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was an incentive for them to do unsecured bonds because

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it meant they didn't have to write up anything. I'm

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not accusing any specific judges of anything here. I'm just

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saying the natural incentive would be that if you can

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find a reason to let somebody walk, that means you

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don't have to write up all of the findings. You

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don't have to do all of that case management work. Right,

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the criminal justice services people, they don't have to come

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up with all of the same stuff. So it's just

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an easier thing to do, especially when you're dealing with

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and you know, an overloaded judicial system, right, you got

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so many people getting arrested and you don't have time

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to hear every case and all of this, and this

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is this. Look, I'm not denying what these officials are saying,

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that what they're saying isn't true.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that it is true.

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Speaker 1: This is going to create a lot more work for

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a lot more people. It's going to slow down the process,

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it's going to lead to more people being in the jail.

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I have no doubt about that. And I'm going to

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get into the jail component here in the next hour,

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and we're going to feature heavily Sheriff Gary not my fault, McFadden, okay,

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as well as the county commissioners. But I would submit

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that the incentive was to do unsecured bonds in order

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to help speed the process and relieve the workload. Now

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that has been flipped because of this new state law.

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Let me jump over to the phones and get Jeff on. Hello, Jeff,

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welcome to the show.

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Speaker 4: Happy that's going to make a quick comment. It just

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seems like they've got a jail spell shortage apparently have

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had for a while. And yet over the last ten years,

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our council has found one hundreds or tens of million,

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potentially hundreds of millions of dollars to redo and then

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re redo the Panther Stadium and the basketball arena. You

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know what, where are priorities as a city?

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Speaker 2: Well, well, you know the answer, you know the answer

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to your question.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, right, Unfore it'sunly right.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's like Joe Biden's dad told him, right, Joey,

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Joey budget, I'll show you your priorities.

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Speaker 2: Right, that's this has been their priority.

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Speaker 1: Their priority is not criminal justice and public safety because

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they have had the opportunity to do these things and

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they have chosen not.

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Speaker 2: To do them. So, yeah, those are their priorities. It's

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a great point.

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Speaker 1: We're going to get into that in the next hour two.

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Because the numbers don't lie, Jeff, I do appreciate the call.

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The numbers do not lie.

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Speaker 2: Here. This is from the Charlotte Observer story.

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Speaker 1: Let me see if I want to jump Okay, yeah, so,

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and this is sort of a preview as to what's coming.

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Multiple county commissioners describe the legislation as a quote unfunded

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mandate and predicted they'll need to allocate more local money

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in next year's budget without additional state financial support. Laura

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Meyer said, our priorities are going to be cut into

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because of this. Correct, you are correct. Spoiler here for

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folks who don't know. Cities counties are administrative units of

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the state.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: The state is the fountain of authority from which all

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of the authorities in the cities and the counties flow.

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That's why Mecklimberg County has to go up to Raleigh

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and ask for a referendum for a sales tax and

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cree for transit go I'm sorry roads, sorry roads, but

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also really mainly transit. But anyway, they're not allowed to

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just do that on their own, sort of a mother

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may I state. Now, not all states have the same

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sort of structure, but North Carolina does, okay. And so

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when you raise your property tax rates and you're spending

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all this money on all of these things that you know,

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as Jeff mentioned, these tourism related projects are parks and

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rec health and human services, education, right, you're funding all

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of these different things, and you're not funding public safety.

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You're not funding new construction of jails. Because your incentive

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as a Democrat politician is not to anger a base

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that is against the quote coarceral state.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Your base believes that police departments are the are the

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remnants of slave patrols, that they're inherently racist, systemically biased,

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and discriminatory. You want to defund them. This is what

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the base is telling you, and so your incentive is

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to not fund those things at the higher priority level.

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And what the state is telling you now with a

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quote unfunded mandate, is that no, no, no, the state's

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priority is this you need to be funding this now?

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Oh my gosh, though, We're gonna have to We're gonna

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have to cut some of the various programs that we

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think are a higher priority. And yes, that is true,

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that is correct. You're going to need to cut things

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that you think are more important, but the state believes

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are not as important. The director of the Criminal Justice Services,

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Sonya Harper. She said, Mecklimberg County has for twenty years

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operated a risk based system where a person's a defendant's

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release was determined by the threat to the community and

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the likelihood that the defendant will return to court. This law,

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Arena's Law, changes this now to a charge based system.

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And what does that mean. It means the Mecklenburg model

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has failed. The Democrats model here in Charlotte has failed.

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That's what the state is telling Mecklenburg County because that's

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what the people have been telling the state lawmakers. This

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model sucks, it has failed, Please fix it. And the

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state said, okay, all right, that'll do it for this episode.

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Speaker 3: Hmm