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<v Speaker 1>I actually feel uncomfortable around too many white people. I

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<v Speaker 1>find out I'm bonding closer with the natives, the Lesker natives.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, so, do you have a pension for Native women

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<v Speaker 2>who are homeless in crisis? It's been called the memory

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<v Speaker 2>Card murder. A brutal homicide found on a stolen cell phone,

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<v Speaker 2>the victim dying on a hotel room floor, the killer

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<v Speaker 2>mocking her in a distinctive.

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<v Speaker 3>Accent camera pitch.

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<v Speaker 2>There's at one point blood coming from both sides of

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<v Speaker 2>her mouth while the killer is sexually molesting her.

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<v Speaker 1>He wasn't sexually molestic her. He was poking his fingers

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<v Speaker 1>on her boob.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, is that not sexual molestation in your mind?

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<v Speaker 3>It depends on the woman.

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<v Speaker 2>I've always suspected that some people aren't at all who

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<v Speaker 2>they appear to be. To his wife, Brian Stephen Smith

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<v Speaker 2>was a loving husband to the Marriotte hotel staff. He

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<v Speaker 2>was a good colleague to his mistress. He was a

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<v Speaker 2>spinner of dark sexual fantasies. But to Kathleen Henry, an

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<v Speaker 2>Alaska Native living on the streets of Anchorage, Brian Stephen

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<v Speaker 2>Smith was a stranger who offered a warm bed and

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<v Speaker 2>then did something monstrous.

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<v Speaker 4>Good evening.

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<v Speaker 5>We're learning more tonight about the weeks surrounding the hotel

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<v Speaker 5>killing of thirty year old Kathleen Henry.

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<v Speaker 6>Thirty nine photos and twelve videos show in graphic detail

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<v Speaker 6>the final hours of a dark haired woman. Y SD

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<v Speaker 6>card where the files were stored was labeled at Midtown Marrion.

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<v Speaker 3>She was like, I'll beat up. I mean, her face

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<v Speaker 3>was not even recognizable.

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<v Speaker 4>Hello, Brian.

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<v Speaker 2>Stephen Smith was found guilty in February twenty twenty four

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<v Speaker 2>of murder, sexual assault, and misconduct involving a corpse.

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<v Speaker 4>How are we doing that?

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<v Speaker 2>We're good, okay, And now, for the first time, he

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<v Speaker 2>has agreed to tell me his story and to answer

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<v Speaker 2>for these crimes.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, Brian, we're.

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<v Speaker 2>Here because we really want to understand the mindset and

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<v Speaker 2>motivations behind your actions in this case. Okay, tell me

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<v Speaker 2>why are you here today talking to.

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<v Speaker 3>Us because you asked me to.

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<v Speaker 4>You could have said no, but you agreed. Yes. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Well I've I have my side of the story as

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<v Speaker 3>well that I'd like to get out.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to be heard, Yes, I have to get

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<v Speaker 1>something out on my side.

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<v Speaker 3>At least.

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<v Speaker 2>Smith's side starts when he met a woman who lived

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<v Speaker 2>very far away from his native South Africa. You had

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<v Speaker 2>found love late in life with an older woman, right it, Stephanie?

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<v Speaker 4>Tell me about her.

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<v Speaker 1>So we actually met playing a game on Internet and

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<v Speaker 1>we became friends and we started talking outside of the game.

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<v Speaker 2>The folk singer from Anchorage fell hard and fast for

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<v Speaker 2>Smith just as his life hit rock bottom.

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<v Speaker 1>In South Africa. Things actually got to a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a bad point. I got into a business dealer that

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<v Speaker 1>just been so and I lost a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's almost like everything just made sense, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just back up and leave.

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<v Speaker 3>You've got nothing to lose you anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Take me back to the first time you step foot

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<v Speaker 2>in this rather stunning land.

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<v Speaker 4>What did you feel? What did you think?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it was amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the first time I've been out of South Africa.

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<v Speaker 4>He's eating your plants.

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<v Speaker 2>With camera in hand. Smith took to the Alaskan wilds

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<v Speaker 2>and began shooting videos.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the beaver dam.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know if this go broke and pick it up,

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<v Speaker 7>but there's a little beaver house over there.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very similar to Africa.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got the civilized and then you've got the whole

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<v Speaker 1>ethnic rule indigenous side. Of things that are living in

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<v Speaker 1>an absolute, totally different world to what we live in.

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<v Speaker 4>Are there many South Africans in the Anchorage area.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's two or three or four.

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<v Speaker 4>There might be more, but maybe a handful. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It also seems like a good place for a secret life,

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<v Speaker 2>if that's what you're looking for. Nobody knows you. There's

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<v Speaker 2>lots of space. One could lose themselves in kind of

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<v Speaker 2>withdrawal from the world here if one wanted to.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, you could. You're correct.

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<v Speaker 1>You can go get yourself little cabin and you never

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<v Speaker 1>have to deal with humans again, right right.

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<v Speaker 2>Whether Smith was looking for a second life or a

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<v Speaker 2>secret one in Alaska, he struggled to fit into Stephanie's world.

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<v Speaker 4>Are you still married?

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<v Speaker 1>I signed the divorce papers about two months ago. Stephanie's

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<v Speaker 1>a very social person and she's got groups of friends

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<v Speaker 1>that are in theater and music. I thought, yes, I

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<v Speaker 1>could do it, but then it was just too much

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<v Speaker 1>for me. They're all trying to be nice, right, But

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<v Speaker 1>that did cause a bit of a problem with us.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well but let let's let's be let's be frank. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>she was she was an older woman. You were still

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<v Speaker 2>quite young, and you had a rolling eye and soon

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<v Speaker 2>an affair right with someone who shared a certain lust

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<v Speaker 2>for sexual adventure?

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<v Speaker 4>Was that fair?

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<v Speaker 2>Alicia Enter Alicia Youngblood, a young woman Smith met at work.

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<v Speaker 2>Smith told police they started off as drinking buddies. Then

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<v Speaker 2>things progressed, this crazy sixth thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just something that was happening, and I delved

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<v Speaker 1>into it. It was interesting for me that I had

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<v Speaker 1>someone that I could do something and they would respond

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<v Speaker 1>to it. Actually, that's I think that's what the main

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<v Speaker 1>thing is. She was responsive to it.

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<v Speaker 4>You say there was a bit of rough stuff, right.

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<v Speaker 2>She liked to be slapped around, a little choked, suffocated, Yes, but.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't every time.

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<v Speaker 1>She liked to see and yeah, stories about violence.

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<v Speaker 3>That turned her on. That's what got the engine going.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is all illicit, which probably made it even

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<v Speaker 2>more exciting, right because you were.

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<v Speaker 3>Married, Well, yes, the secrecy thought of geese.

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<v Speaker 2>Soon It sounds like the two of you were trying

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<v Speaker 2>to outdo each other and coming up with mock sexual

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<v Speaker 2>and violent role play scenarios.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, she would tell me about her criminal history. I

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<v Speaker 1>knew they were not true stories. She was told me

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<v Speaker 1>that she's been chased across America about the FBI, and

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<v Speaker 1>she was part of a gang that used to rob banks.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not real, but but that's where the whole murder

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<v Speaker 1>things started coming in.

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<v Speaker 4>So and you played along.

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<v Speaker 1>So one day I said to her, well, well I've

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<v Speaker 1>also killed somebody, you know, so I've also got a story,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 3>And it turned on massively.

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<v Speaker 4>It worked.

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<v Speaker 3>She loved pretend and making up stories like it.

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<v Speaker 1>If any woman goes to any man and says say

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<v Speaker 1>this or do this, and I'll get warn that guy's

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<v Speaker 1>going to do.

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<v Speaker 4>It by day.

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<v Speaker 2>Smith says he and his wife kept up a loving,

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<v Speaker 2>if passionless marriage. It sounds like you did sort of

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<v Speaker 2>slip into a kind of a double life. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>the Brian who's the dutiful husband on the street and narrow,

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<v Speaker 2>and then on the other hand, a reckless kind of

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<v Speaker 2>alter ego, right, the one who would drive into the

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<v Speaker 2>night looking for cheap sex. By night, Smith would troll

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<v Speaker 2>the streets of Anchorage in his black pickup truck.

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<v Speaker 1>I did go out, but it wasn't for going out

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<v Speaker 1>for sex. Basically, I was having a very stressful life,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would drink a glass of whiskey just before bedtime.

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<v Speaker 1>Then that would be midnight, and if that didn't knock

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<v Speaker 1>me out sometimes it would give me that you get

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<v Speaker 1>your second race, now, give a little energy from being

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<v Speaker 1>I said, oh, now I need to go driving.

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<v Speaker 4>It was probably.

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<v Speaker 8>About nine thirty at night, okay. And he pulls up

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<v Speaker 8>and I was homeless, lout intent and it was raining

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<v Speaker 8>that night, and then he goes, well, it's raining.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you want to ride around with me?

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<v Speaker 8>You know?

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<v Speaker 4>And I was like sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Valerie Castler was on the street one night when Smith

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<v Speaker 2>drove by. He told her he was looking for a

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<v Speaker 2>certain young working girl and asked her to help. You

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<v Speaker 2>know the streets. Yeah, and I'm sure you're a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>good judge of character.

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<v Speaker 4>What was your first impression?

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<v Speaker 3>He was nice.

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<v Speaker 8>We went everywhere. We hung out at like out of

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<v Speaker 8>the airport and watched the planes and stuff. I was

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<v Speaker 8>with him til like about five six in the morning,

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<v Speaker 8>all night long.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>When Smith stopped at a gas station to use the ATM,

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<v Speaker 2>Castler found herself alone in his car.

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<v Speaker 8>That's when I dropped my phone in the car in

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<v Speaker 8>his truck.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you were in the past of the front passenger.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, And when I reached down, I grabbed cheophones and

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<v Speaker 8>you hit like that ooh, chill feeling.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, you just got a vibe from it, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>a feeling.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, was not right.

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<v Speaker 2>With Smith still inside, Castler pocketed his cell phone, a

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<v Speaker 2>decision on which the entire case would hinge.

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<v Speaker 8>I went back to my chant and I turned it on,

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<v Speaker 8>looking to see if I recognize any phone numbers, or

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<v Speaker 8>if I recognize anybody on the pictures. And that's when

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<v Speaker 8>I found it.

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<v Speaker 3>In Govich, that's.

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<v Speaker 4>The Sick Mother.

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<v Speaker 2>In the fall of twenty nineteen, in a tent in

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<v Speaker 2>the woods around Anchorage, Alaska, Valerie Castler took out a

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<v Speaker 2>phone she had stolen from Brian Stephen Smith's carr and

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<v Speaker 2>press play in each of Govich, What did you say?

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<v Speaker 4>It first?

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<v Speaker 8>Him talking and on his voice. In her body laying

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<v Speaker 8>on the on the floor of the hotel.

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<v Speaker 4>She was alive though of them.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, And he stepped on her throat and he said,

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<v Speaker 8>you're not leaving here alive.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm killing you, sake.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you still alive?

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<v Speaker 8>I watched all of it and pulled out a wire,

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<v Speaker 8>put it around her neck, and she was dead and

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<v Speaker 8>he was still doing things to her for days.

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<v Speaker 4>Castila refused to leave her tent.

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<v Speaker 2>You stayed in the woods because.

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<v Speaker 8>You were paranoid as hell.

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<v Speaker 4>You scared.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But she worked up the courage to turn the

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<v Speaker 2>videos over to the police.

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<v Speaker 10>It was the hardest thing I've ever had to watch

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<v Speaker 10>in my life, not just.

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<v Speaker 4>Being as a police officer.

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<v Speaker 10>This was the worst thing I've ever seen happened to

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<v Speaker 10>a human being.

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<v Speaker 2>Detective Brendan Lee had a colleague who overheard the videos

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<v Speaker 2>and the distinctive voice.

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<v Speaker 10>He recalled a case that he had worked that involved

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<v Speaker 10>a mail with an accent, and he gave me the

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<v Speaker 2>Lee checked the Marriotte guest list from the night of

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<v Speaker 2>the videos and sure enough.

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<v Speaker 10>To see his name on there. It was kind of

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<v Speaker 10>like a yeah, like you said, like a big ah moment,

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<v Speaker 10>like Okay, now I know who we're looking at.

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<v Speaker 2>Then, just days after police got the video.

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<v Speaker 5>Human remains found at mile one away to the Stewart

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<v Speaker 5>Highway a week ago belonged to a woman who had long,

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<v Speaker 5>dark hair, with a.

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<v Speaker 2>Prime suspect and a body to match. The race was

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<v Speaker 10>The FBI told us ay his phone is hitting off

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<v Speaker 10>a tower year a mile one away.

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<v Speaker 3>The Steward Highway.

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<v Speaker 10>And also there was a time stamp on one of

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<v Speaker 10>the images with Kathleen Joe Henry in the back of

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<v Speaker 10>the pickup truck, and that was also like an AHA

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<v Speaker 10>moment because his phone's hitting here at this time. This

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<v Speaker 10>image is at this time, and it's at the location

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<v Speaker 10>where the remains were found.

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<v Speaker 2>Detectively intercepted Smith at the Anchorage Airport, turning from a

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<v Speaker 2>trip with his wife.

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<v Speaker 10>Mister Smith, I'm detectively Banglish Police Department.

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<v Speaker 3>I want saying my badge. Yeah, IDs, you know you're

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<v Speaker 10>We have some some matters we wanted to clear up

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<v Speaker 10>with you and talk to you today. So I appreciate

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<v Speaker 10>you coming up here with these guys and talking to me.

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<v Speaker 10>So you have the right to remain silent. Do you

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<v Speaker 10>understand that you have the right to talk to a

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<v Speaker 10>lawyer and have him present with you while you're being questioned.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you understand that.

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<v Speaker 2>Smith tells me that afternoon the police caught him off guard.

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<v Speaker 3>I just found all the way from DC. Yeah, you've

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<v Speaker 3>obviously from Lower Fodage.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what it feels like now.

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<v Speaker 1>I threw four time zones across a ten hour flight

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<v Speaker 1>when I landed, when they stopped me, I was already

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<v Speaker 1>in the legal terms of the words I use.

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<v Speaker 3>It is in a weakened state of mind.

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<v Speaker 2>When you're under investigation for serious crimes, you don't get

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<v Speaker 2>to pick you know, I know.

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<v Speaker 4>Before an interrogation.

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<v Speaker 10>I just wanted to show you pictures TJ would help

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<v Speaker 10>you kind of refresh that night.

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<v Speaker 2>The detectives start small, without letting on how much they

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<v Speaker 2>already know about the killer sitting in front of them.

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<v Speaker 4>Can you tell me what's in that photo?

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<v Speaker 3>There's somebody's feet.

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<v Speaker 10>Okay, I'm not gonna issue it. I mean, it looks

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<v Speaker 10>looks like the shoes you were in right.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, Yeah, it does. But what's happening when that's.

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<v Speaker 10>What's happening is on this video, on these images the

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<v Speaker 10>person that's recording it is holding the recorder and is

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<v Speaker 10>standing basically above this girl and strength her.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, and so we need to talk about this.

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<v Speaker 10>We need to get ahead of this.

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<v Speaker 7>Mister Smith, I do I don't want to ask stupid,

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<v Speaker 7>but I don't trum off anything.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't anything.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, boy, an hour and a half I said I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't do that. I didn't do that. I didn't do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Over and over and over, in and nauseam.

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<v Speaker 2>I said that you're not saying that, you're saying you're

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<v Speaker 2>you're saying that you can't remember.

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<v Speaker 4>I should not remember anything like this.

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<v Speaker 3>Honestly, that looks like a Marriott court. That looks up

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<v Speaker 3>my truck talked over there.

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<v Speaker 4>It is.

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<v Speaker 2>Piece by piece detectives disclose photo evidence, Smith's hands, his stomach,

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<v Speaker 2>Smith's truck, and license plate.

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<v Speaker 10>There's cameras out on the highway at the way station.

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<v Speaker 10>So there's no doubt about it. There no doubt about

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<v Speaker 10>it that you were out there.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, but I don't remember anything else.

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<v Speaker 4>Radio. Sorry. Then about two hours in Smith starts to crack.

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<v Speaker 7>Look this this sounds very serious. No matter what, I'm

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<v Speaker 7>gonna be in deep. So okay, I'll tell you what

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<v Speaker 7>I remember. The next day it worked. I saw something

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<v Speaker 7>dropping out the back of my truck and I was like,

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<v Speaker 7>what the hell? And I opened up and there was

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<v Speaker 7>somebody there underneath that.

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<v Speaker 4>There was a blue like a talk with the back

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<v Speaker 4>of my of my truck, and.

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<v Speaker 7>The back flip doesn't really look I've actually put a

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<v Speaker 7>pedal up on now since then. And I saw somebody

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<v Speaker 7>and I was like, what.

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<v Speaker 4>The hell, what must I do? What wants to do?

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<v Speaker 11>And being the one art, I thought, but I've got

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<v Speaker 11>to get a cant and I drove out and I

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<v Speaker 11>did within doubt it, So yeah I did. I did,

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<v Speaker 11>dun but I.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what was in the back of my truck was not.

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<v Speaker 3>Kathleen Henry.

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<v Speaker 2>You're saying that you didn't keep the body in your

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<v Speaker 2>truck for two days and then dump around the side

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<v Speaker 2>of the road as you were counted the police.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, when I said to the police the body, it's

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<v Speaker 1>because the police had told.

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<v Speaker 3>Me that there was a body in the back of

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<v Speaker 3>my truck. I did not know what was in the

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<v Speaker 3>back of my truck. There was something I.

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<v Speaker 4>Told them that you looked under the sheet could tell

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<v Speaker 4>the body. You told them that.

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<v Speaker 1>It was not a body it was I've seen a

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube once of a baker that was skinned and it

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<v Speaker 1>looked in my mind xtra vision through that that's what

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<v Speaker 1>that could have been.

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<v Speaker 3>Or it was a mannequin or like a sex dollar

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<v Speaker 3>or something.

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<v Speaker 2>It's somebody who's incapable of telling the truth.

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<v Speaker 4>Brian.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem is when I speak the truth, people don't

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<v Speaker 1>believe me.

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<v Speaker 10>I think Brian Steve Smith is a person that I'd

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<v Speaker 10>say he's a sociopath. You know, if you looked at

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<v Speaker 10>his life, he would just look like.

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<v Speaker 4>You're normal every day.

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<v Speaker 10>You know, I go to work, I come home, this

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<v Speaker 10>is my wife, We go on vacations and I you know,

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<v Speaker 10>I play with drones and like to shoot guns for

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<v Speaker 10>my hobbies. You know, I wouldn't say split personality, but

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<v Speaker 10>he was definitely somebody that knowingly was trying to, you know,

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<v Speaker 10>live two different types of lifestyles.

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<v Speaker 2>For police, the double life of Brian Stephen Smith now

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<v Speaker 2>comes into sharp focus.

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<v Speaker 12>If any other Facebook accounts the cart just Brian Smith.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh yeah, I've the one called Brandie Phillips.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a real He's like my alter ego.

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<v Speaker 4>He's racist. You know, you can make racist jokes and

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<v Speaker 4>stuff on this.

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<v Speaker 2>Smith's alter ego offers police a new strategy.

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<v Speaker 12>Do you think Good Brian wanted Bad Brian to get caught?

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<v Speaker 12>That's why somebody made it so easy for us.

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<v Speaker 2>They urge good Brian to confess to what bad Brian

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<v Speaker 2>has done.

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<v Speaker 12>Right now, Good Brian, I'm assuming, is who we have here.

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<v Speaker 12>What do you feel right now about this moment?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, she's a pretty girl and she ended up like that.

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<v Speaker 7>That's that's such a.

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<v Speaker 4>Waste, so annoying.

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<v Speaker 2>Several hours in, Smith seems to sense the net tightening

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<v Speaker 2>around him.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm showing the back of my mind.

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<v Speaker 7>I knew that I was involved in some ways.

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<v Speaker 3>It's stupid to believe that.

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<v Speaker 4>Someone else kills someone and put them in the badge truck.

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<v Speaker 12>You knew in the back of the head, the side

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<v Speaker 12>of your head, front of your head, you knew you

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<v Speaker 12>would kill somebody.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I can tell you for a straight fact, I

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<v Speaker 7>did not plan to do this.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I've done it.

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<v Speaker 4>That's that's I've done. I've I've done that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll sign up the paper years I did it.

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<v Speaker 4>I know I did it. Before we do that.

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<v Speaker 2>With Smith's full throated confession in hand, the detectives think

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<v Speaker 2>they're done.

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<v Speaker 10>You just have to get somebody.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Smith drops the biggest bomb of the case.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you guys in the rush?

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<v Speaker 4>Were gone? Are we in a rush? Yeah? Do you

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<v Speaker 4>want to talk some more? We're not in a rush.

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<v Speaker 1>We got you got all my I picked up a

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<v Speaker 1>very drunk girl.

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<v Speaker 7>My wife was gone, she was away for the weekend,

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<v Speaker 7>not to go home, and I I tried to.

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<v Speaker 3>M Are you guys in a rush to go?

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<v Speaker 4>Are we in a rush? Yeah? Do you want to

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<v Speaker 4>talk some more? We're not in a rush. We got

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<v Speaker 4>we got all night.

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<v Speaker 2>Five hours into a police interrogation, Brian Stephen Smith had

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<v Speaker 2>already confessed to the murder of Kathleen Henry.

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<v Speaker 7>If I'm going to burn on the electric chair for

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<v Speaker 7>why not as well do for two?

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<v Speaker 2>Then Smith volunteered details of a second murder. And police

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<v Speaker 2>realize they've caught a serial killer.

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<v Speaker 3>Shucked this girl and then I pointed them to that

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<v Speaker 3>on that little sadra going towards But when you turn.

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<v Speaker 2>Off the this is how you recounted it to the police.

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<v Speaker 2>Your wife was away, you were drinking. You hit the streets,

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<v Speaker 2>as in your words you were known to do. You

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<v Speaker 2>went to get some liquor and you spotted her. She

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<v Speaker 2>she wanted abuse.

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<v Speaker 4>I knew that she was drunk. She had a off

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<v Speaker 4>a bottle of of Ara and r on any and

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<v Speaker 4>uh she was. She was really drunk. She was saluting

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<v Speaker 4>it and uh I I picked up her.

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<v Speaker 7>I said, hey, you you want some warm food in

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<v Speaker 7>a warm place at sleep start.

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<v Speaker 4>You bring her home. You were afraid.

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<v Speaker 2>You tell the police that she was gonna leave her

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<v Speaker 2>odor in the home and.

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<v Speaker 4>Your wife would would would detect it. So you told

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<v Speaker 4>her to take a shower.

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<v Speaker 3>She she was smelling.

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<v Speaker 4>I know, I knew she was homeless then, you know

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<v Speaker 4>she was. She was she was thinking and.

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<v Speaker 7>I was getting up sitting and I sit to her,

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<v Speaker 7>go to could take a shower, you know, cause now

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<v Speaker 7>there's smelling the house, you know. And uh, she wouldn't

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<v Speaker 7>do it.

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<v Speaker 4>She she could, said, She kept.

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<v Speaker 2>Saying no, no, she said, I clearly remember this. And

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<v Speaker 2>again I'm not lying to you. I d I don't remember.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't visualize the girl. When I went to the

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<v Speaker 2>garage and I got my pistol and I said to

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<v Speaker 2>her go to the shower, and she wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 4>She wouldn't. She wouldn't, she wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 7>And uh I just did that.

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<v Speaker 4>While she was on the couch. Yeah, I just shut it.

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<v Speaker 2>The evidence lined up perfectly with Smith's account. A human

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<v Speaker 2>skull had been found six months earlier at the site

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<v Speaker 2>Smith named pierced by a bullet. Police would later find

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<v Speaker 2>an SD card at Smith's home with a video of

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<v Speaker 2>a woman lying naked on the floor. Forensics identified the

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00:25:32.960 --> 00:25:37.319
<v Speaker 2>victim as Veronica about Chuck another Alaska Native woman who

442
00:25:37.359 --> 00:25:39.160
<v Speaker 2>disappeared from the streets of Anchorage.

443
00:25:44.599 --> 00:25:48.240
<v Speaker 8>Veronica is my best friend and I loved the hell

444
00:25:48.319 --> 00:25:48.759
<v Speaker 8>at her.

445
00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:50.160
<v Speaker 3>I knew her daughters.

446
00:25:50.319 --> 00:25:59.880
<v Speaker 8>You know, DA wasn't working girls. They were just women.

447
00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:02.319
<v Speaker 8>They had drinking problems, you know.

448
00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:07.559
<v Speaker 2>For Valerie Castler, who uncovered evidence of Smith's hotel room murder,

449
00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:10.680
<v Speaker 2>this second case hit even closer to home.

450
00:26:11.319 --> 00:26:15.920
<v Speaker 8>I remember the last time I talked her, she should.

451
00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:16.559
<v Speaker 4>Go on to lichrystore.

452
00:26:16.640 --> 00:26:20.200
<v Speaker 8>She's gonna get a bottle, and she had to go

453
00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:24.759
<v Speaker 8>meet up with somebody that must have been him, because

454
00:26:24.799 --> 00:26:28.440
<v Speaker 8>that was the last time I ever saw Smith's photo.

455
00:26:28.480 --> 00:26:32.359
<v Speaker 2>Evidence and confession left virtually no doubt about his guilt.

456
00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:36.160
<v Speaker 2>But today Smith is trying to sell me a story

457
00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:38.880
<v Speaker 2>that sounds nothing like the one he admitted to police.

458
00:26:39.680 --> 00:26:40.240
<v Speaker 4>Tell me what.

459
00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:44.640
<v Speaker 2>Happened that night that you brought Veronica Abuchek to your house.

460
00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:49.319
<v Speaker 1>The person that I shocked was a fictitious It was

461
00:26:49.359 --> 00:26:53.720
<v Speaker 1>a fictitious event. It was not Veronica. If that lady

462
00:26:53.799 --> 00:26:56.480
<v Speaker 1>was Veronica, that woman walked out of my house, Alicia

463
00:26:56.519 --> 00:26:58.359
<v Speaker 1>and who got in a vehicle and they drove away,

464
00:26:58.480 --> 00:26:59.359
<v Speaker 1>well then then then.

465
00:26:59.279 --> 00:26:59.960
<v Speaker 4>That wasn't Veronica.

466
00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:03.440
<v Speaker 2>Because the the the person that you murdered in your home,

467
00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:10.559
<v Speaker 2>whose whose forensics lines up with Veronica Abuchak, Right, she

468
00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:11.799
<v Speaker 2>didn't walk out of your home.

469
00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:14.920
<v Speaker 3>That was Alisia Youngblood. That wasn't Veronica.

470
00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:21.240
<v Speaker 2>Smith now recants his detailed confession to the about Chuck murder,

471
00:27:21.279 --> 00:27:24.160
<v Speaker 2>and he's trying to persuade me that his confession was

472
00:27:24.200 --> 00:27:27.880
<v Speaker 2>all based on fictional role play with his former mistress,

473
00:27:29.240 --> 00:27:31.799
<v Speaker 2>Alicia Youngblood.

474
00:27:31.839 --> 00:27:34.640
<v Speaker 1>The story I told them was a story that Alisha

475
00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:38.119
<v Speaker 1>and I had made up about driving around. You meet

476
00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:42.200
<v Speaker 1>someone and take them home, that make you angry, and

477
00:27:42.440 --> 00:27:43.079
<v Speaker 1>you shoot them.

478
00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:46.720
<v Speaker 4>I told Alisha, saying that was a made up story. Yes,

479
00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:47.279
<v Speaker 4>did you?

480
00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:50.000
<v Speaker 2>Did you make up the part about defiling her her

481
00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:51.440
<v Speaker 2>corpse after you killed her?

482
00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:53.440
<v Speaker 9>Oh?

483
00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:56.799
<v Speaker 3>That was That was Alisha and Marcel's story.

484
00:27:57.039 --> 00:28:00.000
<v Speaker 2>You told the police that after murdering her, you sexually

485
00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:04.680
<v Speaker 2>defiled her body by sticking your fingers, your hand inside

486
00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:08.759
<v Speaker 2>of her. It sounds very much like paraphilia. Do you

487
00:28:08.799 --> 00:28:14.279
<v Speaker 2>know that term? Paraphilia characterized by abnormal sexual desires, typically

488
00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:20.400
<v Speaker 2>involving extreme or dangerous activities, sometimes intense and persistent interests

489
00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:25.440
<v Speaker 2>in inflicting sexual violence or torture on a living person

490
00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:26.400
<v Speaker 2>or corpse.

491
00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:28.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't like hurting people you don't know.

492
00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:33.920
<v Speaker 2>And you're telling me now that what you told the

493
00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:37.079
<v Speaker 2>police is false, that you did not murder Veronic Grabchek.

494
00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:42.680
<v Speaker 3>No, you must remember that that interrogation was done underd race.

495
00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:48.240
<v Speaker 2>Well, all interrogations are arguably done under duress, but there

496
00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:49.359
<v Speaker 2>was nothing unfair about it.

497
00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:50.400
<v Speaker 4>And in fact, you could to.

498
00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:54.799
<v Speaker 2>Stop talking at any point, and instead you volunteer a

499
00:28:54.839 --> 00:28:57.640
<v Speaker 2>completely different story about in earlier crime.

500
00:28:57.759 --> 00:29:00.640
<v Speaker 1>I was in a weakened state of mind. Made seems

501
00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:04.839
<v Speaker 1>to me that I need to cover my oh my picks.

502
00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:08.680
<v Speaker 1>Alisha might have told them that story, and now I

503
00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:10.039
<v Speaker 1>didn't tell them any think I'm lying.

504
00:29:12.519 --> 00:29:17.440
<v Speaker 2>In fact, Alicia Youngblood had told Lisa's story in secret

505
00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:19.680
<v Speaker 2>on a tip line one year earlier.

506
00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:23.440
<v Speaker 13>The first time that I talked to Miss Youngblood, she

507
00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:25.960
<v Speaker 13>was nervous. You could tell that talking to her on

508
00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:26.440
<v Speaker 13>the phone.

509
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:29.920
<v Speaker 2>She said Smith had showed her a video of a

510
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:30.519
<v Speaker 2>dead woman.

511
00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:34.480
<v Speaker 9>It's going in her and then he'd draw his hand

512
00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:36.640
<v Speaker 9>out and he told him the GoPro and then he

513
00:29:36.759 --> 00:29:37.920
<v Speaker 9>bites his hands.

514
00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:38.680
<v Speaker 4>On her legs.

515
00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:42.680
<v Speaker 13>She loved this Brian Smith, but now she did not

516
00:29:43.079 --> 00:29:43.440
<v Speaker 13>love him.

517
00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:43.839
<v Speaker 4>Anymore.

518
00:29:43.880 --> 00:29:46.880
<v Speaker 13>After seeing this video, she was very adamant that she

519
00:29:46.960 --> 00:29:48.279
<v Speaker 13>thought this video was real.

520
00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:53.440
<v Speaker 9>The pictures are her breast and she's grabbing them so

521
00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:55.039
<v Speaker 9>hard that the blood is pulling.

522
00:29:57.480 --> 00:30:00.799
<v Speaker 2>Young Blood tried to go Smith into sharing evidence so

523
00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:02.039
<v Speaker 2>police could arrest him.

524
00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:04.799
<v Speaker 9>I don't know what I'm hearing to get picture information.

525
00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:07.839
<v Speaker 9>I'm doing all kinds of crazy sexual acts.

526
00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:13.039
<v Speaker 14>And having the routine to write it.

527
00:30:14.039 --> 00:30:17.839
<v Speaker 1>She took these this fantasy stories, these make belief stories abouts,

528
00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:20.519
<v Speaker 1>and she took it. Then she started bringing in real

529
00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:23.000
<v Speaker 1>people's names, and I said to a no.

530
00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:29.720
<v Speaker 2>Smith was cautious not to give young Blood any proof,

531
00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:31.920
<v Speaker 2>and police soon dropped the case.

532
00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:37.000
<v Speaker 9>I can't do this anymore. He's more wild.

533
00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:43.559
<v Speaker 2>Alicia Youngblood left Alaska. She never got the chance to

534
00:30:43.720 --> 00:30:45.000
<v Speaker 2>testify against Smith.

535
00:30:46.839 --> 00:30:51.160
<v Speaker 13>We were informed that she had passed away in Oklahoma.

536
00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:55.039
<v Speaker 13>It was most likely she took her own life.

537
00:30:57.160 --> 00:31:00.799
<v Speaker 4>The next phase of the case is the opening story, as.

538
00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:04.920
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't until three years later, in February twenty twenty four,

539
00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:08.359
<v Speaker 2>Smith would take center stage in a horror show of

540
00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:09.240
<v Speaker 2>his own design.

541
00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:14.319
<v Speaker 14>After this trial, you will all carry the burden of knowing.

542
00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:17.960
<v Speaker 3>The burden of knowing that Brian Smith.

543
00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:23.240
<v Speaker 14>Lived, worked, walked among us, mingling and targeting the most

544
00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:24.400
<v Speaker 14>vulnerable among us.

545
00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:35.640
<v Speaker 4>Smith's hour in the limelight was just beginning. Let's bring

546
00:31:35.759 --> 00:31:39.720
<v Speaker 4>the jury in. This is can McCall your first witness.

547
00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:44.599
<v Speaker 3>My name is Christy Grimaldi. How are you related to

548
00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:45.240
<v Speaker 3>this case?

549
00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:46.240
<v Speaker 9>Why are you here today?

550
00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:50.839
<v Speaker 3>Veronica about check as my mother. I'm her oldest daughter.

551
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:56.119
<v Speaker 2>In February twenty twenty four, the trial for the murders

552
00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:59.319
<v Speaker 2>of Veronica, about Chuck and Kathleen Henry began.

553
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:06.039
<v Speaker 15>In October twenty nineteen, I was contacted by family.

554
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:09.880
<v Speaker 3>To meet with a detective, and.

555
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:17.599
<v Speaker 15>Looking back at that I was in complete denial or

556
00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:24.960
<v Speaker 15>holding on to any hope. I remember thinking, Wow, they

557
00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:31.160
<v Speaker 15>found her. You know, maybe she's somewhere, and it's just

558
00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:32.440
<v Speaker 15>in awe that.

559
00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:35.119
<v Speaker 3>I believe that.

560
00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:35.599
<v Speaker 8>You know.

561
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:41.920
<v Speaker 2>Smith appeared calm as witness after witness laid out evidence

562
00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:46.599
<v Speaker 2>against him. But the smoking gun was the evidence Smith

563
00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:47.599
<v Speaker 2>produced himself.

564
00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:50.599
<v Speaker 14>Those videos depict a woman that we now know to

565
00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:56.160
<v Speaker 14>be Kathleen Henry being strangled, tortured, and killed. When we

566
00:32:56.279 --> 00:32:59.200
<v Speaker 14>show those videos, they're going to be broadcast on nat

567
00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:02.440
<v Speaker 14>TV facing this way so that members of the general

568
00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:03.720
<v Speaker 14>Republic don't see them.

569
00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:08.279
<v Speaker 4>Police say you're the man in the video? What do

570
00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:08.680
<v Speaker 4>you say?

571
00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:10.319
<v Speaker 3>No, it's not me.

572
00:33:11.319 --> 00:33:14.519
<v Speaker 2>I needed a way to push past Smith's denial. If

573
00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:17.200
<v Speaker 2>you wouldn't admit to the crimes, could I get him

574
00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:21.160
<v Speaker 2>to describe the killer? Let me describe to you what

575
00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:26.960
<v Speaker 2>the man in the video the killer did, and ask

576
00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:28.839
<v Speaker 2>you to profile him for me.

577
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:32.079
<v Speaker 1>Well, I didn't want to watch him ever at all,

578
00:33:32.200 --> 00:33:33.839
<v Speaker 1>but they forced me to hit the trial.

579
00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:39.079
<v Speaker 10>My name is Brendan Lee, last name l E. So

580
00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:41.720
<v Speaker 10>in this video, it's going to start out and you're

581
00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:44.880
<v Speaker 10>going to see Catherine Henry on the floor.

582
00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:57.839
<v Speaker 2>There's a at one point blood coming from both sides

583
00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:01.240
<v Speaker 2>of her mouth while the killer is sexual molesting her.

584
00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:02.839
<v Speaker 4>What did you think when you saw that?

585
00:34:03.160 --> 00:34:07.039
<v Speaker 1>He wasn't sexually molestic her. He was poking his fingers

586
00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:07.559
<v Speaker 1>on her boob?

587
00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:12.079
<v Speaker 4>Okay? Is that not sexual molestation in your mind?

588
00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:16.679
<v Speaker 3>It depends on the woman, It depends on the situation.

589
00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:20.639
<v Speaker 2>Well, obviously the situation was non consensual. She's laying there dying,

590
00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:24.719
<v Speaker 2>he's telling her he's killing her. He stands on top

591
00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:28.159
<v Speaker 2>of her stomach. At one point he laughs maniacally.

592
00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:29.119
<v Speaker 4>What did you make of that?

593
00:34:34.360 --> 00:34:38.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember him laughing, even as he downplays the

594
00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:42.000
<v Speaker 2>cruelty captured on video. Smith offers clues about the man

595
00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:44.960
<v Speaker 2>behind the camera. Did it seem to you that the

596
00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:46.760
<v Speaker 2>killer was enjoying himself?

597
00:34:50.760 --> 00:35:01.960
<v Speaker 1>No, the guy sounded frustrated. The guy said that, like

598
00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:04.519
<v Speaker 1>like she must hurry up. You know, she must, she

599
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:05.159
<v Speaker 1>must hurry up.

600
00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:08.199
<v Speaker 4>People need to corporate, people need to know when that

601
00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:10.239
<v Speaker 4>means serial.

602
00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:15.639
<v Speaker 3>The person sounded like he had lost control.

603
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:19.559
<v Speaker 2>He had lost control, interesting so that it was unplanned

604
00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:20.719
<v Speaker 2>maybe spontaneous.

605
00:35:21.639 --> 00:35:25.239
<v Speaker 1>No, from the wording the guy used, it sounds like

606
00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:26.639
<v Speaker 1>he was documenting something.

607
00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:32.519
<v Speaker 3>So it was planned. As you can notice the tongue

608
00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:34.119
<v Speaker 3>it's not swollen.

609
00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:39.519
<v Speaker 4>That Why was he documented?

610
00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:39.840
<v Speaker 12>Why?

611
00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:41.000
<v Speaker 4>Why would somebody do that?

612
00:35:41.599 --> 00:35:43.159
<v Speaker 3>Well, they're obviously making money out of it.

613
00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:45.719
<v Speaker 2>As far as I yeah, could have been doing that

614
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:48.679
<v Speaker 2>for to watch it back and get thrills from it,

615
00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:50.079
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

616
00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:52.440
<v Speaker 3>He probably could have. If you find him, you can

617
00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:52.960
<v Speaker 3>ask him that.

618
00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:55.559
<v Speaker 4>The killer is giggling and laughing. Do you remember that.

619
00:35:57.039 --> 00:36:00.679
<v Speaker 3>Probably the ugliest part was where he had he's foot

620
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:01.559
<v Speaker 3>on her throat.

621
00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:02.920
<v Speaker 4>What kind of man could do that?

622
00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:07.079
<v Speaker 3>A nasty person.

623
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:10.880
<v Speaker 2>She's making horrific sounds with her dying breaths. Do you

624
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:11.880
<v Speaker 2>remember those sounds?

625
00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:14.360
<v Speaker 1>Well that that was the first noises that came out

626
00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:16.320
<v Speaker 1>when the first video played that showed that were the

627
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:17.079
<v Speaker 1>girl trying.

628
00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:20.119
<v Speaker 4>To breathe and that I do not like that. Can

629
00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:22.400
<v Speaker 4>you describe them for me and how they made you feel?

630
00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:27.079
<v Speaker 3>I didn't like hearing it. It's it's I don't like

631
00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:30.559
<v Speaker 3>to hear that stuff. Oh, yes, that's right, Yes, a

632
00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:31.360
<v Speaker 3>string of God.

633
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:39.719
<v Speaker 2>He's strangling her with a green string, straddling over her, right,

634
00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:44.519
<v Speaker 2>remember that, berating her, fondling her. I'm trying to make

635
00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:47.000
<v Speaker 2>a movie, you stupid blood sucking.

636
00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:51.119
<v Speaker 1>And it sounds like he's doing that for an audience.

637
00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:53.519
<v Speaker 1>He's like he's making a movie. He's definitely making a movie.

638
00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:08.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to make a movie, a stupid old bitch.

639
00:37:11.599 --> 00:37:14.639
<v Speaker 2>Weeks after I met Smith, I finally got access to

640
00:37:14.679 --> 00:37:18.000
<v Speaker 2>the murder video itself. I can now see what Smith

641
00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:21.400
<v Speaker 2>meant by the killer making a movie out there.

642
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:25.159
<v Speaker 4>Hate the light button, please.

643
00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:29.119
<v Speaker 3>Just take it, swallowing it. Just do a nimble shot

644
00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:32.360
<v Speaker 3>while at angle, like the action shot.

645
00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:37.000
<v Speaker 2>In Smith's twisted mind. He's a film director and this

646
00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:39.280
<v Speaker 2>atrocity is his blockbuster movie.

647
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:42.079
<v Speaker 4>You look, you die.

648
00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:45.840
<v Speaker 2>You die.

649
00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:48.000
<v Speaker 3>Sadly.

650
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:55.519
<v Speaker 4>In my movies, everyone dies. I get the Oscar bitch.

651
00:38:11.320 --> 00:38:15.159
<v Speaker 2>In the end, Smith's movie did meet its audience, spring

652
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:20.159
<v Speaker 2>the jury and twelve men and women, and they quickly

653
00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:21.119
<v Speaker 2>delivered a verdict.

654
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:25.800
<v Speaker 4>Mister Smith, would you please rise? I will read The

655
00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:27.960
<v Speaker 4>forms of the verdicts.

656
00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:32.079
<v Speaker 13>Were the jury of Brand Independent Brand Stephen Smith guilty

657
00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:34.159
<v Speaker 13>of murder in the first degree, is charged.

658
00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:38.199
<v Speaker 2>To count one guilty for the murder and sexual assault

659
00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:43.480
<v Speaker 2>of Kathleen Henry and Veronica about Chuck. His sentence two

660
00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:47.719
<v Speaker 2>hundred and twenty six years in prison. All right, I

661
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<v Speaker 2>can tell you, as a professional journalist, the evidence against

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<v Speaker 2>you is insurmountable. You're not getting over it. Isn't there

663
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<v Speaker 2>a part of you just still a young man? Isn't

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<v Speaker 2>there a part of you that just wants to unload,

665
00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:06.440
<v Speaker 2>unburden this whole thing and and talk truthfully about what

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<v Speaker 2>actually happened.

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<v Speaker 12>You're glad you're not going to be able to hurt

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<v Speaker 12>anybody else.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, but I was also I was hoping that it

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<v Speaker 7>would have just been that one. I was hoping that

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<v Speaker 7>that anger and my sister would have been out.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't like to know that I've done that to someone.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't like that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been ten years since Brian Stephen Smith first left

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<v Speaker 2>South Africa for a new adventure on the Alaskan frontier.

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00:39:41.960 --> 00:39:44.320
<v Speaker 2>At one point, you told the police that Alaska is

678
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<v Speaker 2>the perfect place to murder someone.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, people come yet because they are anti social and

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<v Speaker 1>if you look at the distances between places, yeah, you

681
00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:58.280
<v Speaker 1>could just go dump a body just five minutes out

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<v Speaker 1>of town.

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<v Speaker 2>Murder is the third leading cause of death among Native

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<v Speaker 2>American women. Smith killed two of these vulnerable women, at

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<v Speaker 2>least two that we know of.

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<v Speaker 4>Did you engage in.

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<v Speaker 2>Any sexual violence with Native South African women?

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<v Speaker 9>No, they tell me. One of the comforts as young

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<v Speaker 9>at sixteen, where.

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<v Speaker 4>I think with the youngest.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm another we.

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<v Speaker 9>Don't know, not know really.

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<v Speaker 2>The South African police say they're looking into you. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>any idea what that might be about?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay again, Right at the beginning, Alisha and myself were

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<v Speaker 1>telling stories, and the first stories I told her were

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<v Speaker 1>about South Africa.

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<v Speaker 4>More stories. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>If I can find any poetic justice in this tragic story,

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<v Speaker 2>it's this. Smith landed behind bars thanks to a woman

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<v Speaker 2>who lived on the streets with his victims. What do

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<v Speaker 2>you think would have happened without that video had you

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<v Speaker 2>not found it and brought.

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<v Speaker 8>It, did he probably still be investigating in Hayes Tail,

705
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<v Speaker 8>probably would be a free man hunting and killing women,

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<v Speaker 8>and there probably be more bodies than what.

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<v Speaker 4>There was when you heard the verdict?

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<v Speaker 8>What did you think that was on my birthday?

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<v Speaker 4>What a birthday present?

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Castla remained on the front lines from the moment

712
00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:43.000
<v Speaker 2>she turned over the smoking gun SD card.

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<v Speaker 14>Those images that you saw, timing and all.

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<v Speaker 15>Of that aside, have those stayed with you in my head?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I just wanted them to go home.

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<v Speaker 4>And what do you mean by that when you say

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<v Speaker 4>you wanted them to go home?

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<v Speaker 8>I wanted their parents, their family to be able to

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<v Speaker 8>mourn and you know, properly instead of bearing an empty box.

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<v Speaker 2>Smith tells me he now plans to file an appeal,

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<v Speaker 2>and I end the interview with one of my own.

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<v Speaker 2>You're going to live with this story, this defense that

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00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:26.880
<v Speaker 2>you've concocted in your in your mind that no one believes, Brian.

726
00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:30.480
<v Speaker 2>You must know that no one believes the alibi, no

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00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:33.599
<v Speaker 2>one believes that you're not the man in the video.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean again, there's a mountain of forensic evidence against you.

729
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<v Speaker 4>You're going to just live with us.

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<v Speaker 1>There is no DNA evidence, there's no evidence proving that

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<v Speaker 1>anyone who's in my truck.

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<v Speaker 3>The only evidence in my truck is the evidence of

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<v Speaker 3>my other bi So.

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<v Speaker 2>I have five pages of quotes from your own lips, Brian,

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<v Speaker 2>full of admissions and confessions and acknowledgments and appreciation for

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00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:10.760
<v Speaker 2>the police, and and and self awareness that you've gone

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<v Speaker 2>too far and now you're in deep.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, that is non confrontational de escalation.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think anybody would consider that de escalation. That's

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<v Speaker 2>that sounds like a guilty man who's coming clean. In

741
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<v Speaker 2>the end, Brian Smith's double life culminated in a single fate,

742
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<v Speaker 2>a life sentence in an Alaskan prison.

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<v Speaker 7>I want to talk to now was that I've got

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<v Speaker 7>no one to talk to now. None of my friends

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00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:50.000
<v Speaker 7>will ever Well, this is my fault. I've done my

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<v Speaker 7>own gravy. I did this to myself. I can't blame

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<v Speaker 7>anybody else, you know,