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It was a crime on leath, unlike 32 00:01:47.519 --> 00:01:51.159 anything seen in British Columbia. The horror of the Wells 33 00:01:51.519 --> 00:01:59.319 Gray murders, almost forty years ago transcends decades. On August second, 34 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:02.239 nineteen eighty two, three generations of a family set out 35 00:02:02.280 --> 00:02:05.879 on a camping trip, Bob and Jackie Johnson, their two daughters, 36 00:02:05.959 --> 00:02:10.240 Janet thirteen and Karen eleven, and Jackie's parents, George and 37 00:02:10.479 --> 00:02:14.080 Edith Bentley. A month later, the Johnson family car was 38 00:02:14.120 --> 00:02:17.280 found off a mountain side logging road near Wells Gray Park, 39 00:02:17.719 --> 00:02:22.120 completely burned out. In the back seat where the incinerated 40 00:02:22.199 --> 00:02:24.719 remains of four adults and in the trunk were the 41 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:29.280 two girls. But this was not just your average mass murder. 42 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:35.280 It was much worse. Over time, some brutal details were revealed, however, 43 00:02:35.719 --> 00:02:38.599 most are still only known to the murderer, David Ennis, 44 00:02:38.800 --> 00:02:43.240 formerly Shearing his crimes had far reaching impacts on the family, 45 00:02:43.520 --> 00:02:48.240 community and country. It still does today. Every time Shearing 46 00:02:48.240 --> 00:02:51.599 attempts freedom from the parole board, the grief is triggered 47 00:02:51.639 --> 00:02:55.039 as everyone is forced to relive the horrors once again. 48 00:02:55.599 --> 00:02:58.840 Time six shines a spotlight on the crime that captured 49 00:02:58.840 --> 00:03:02.280 the attention of a nation, recounts the narrative of a 50 00:03:02.400 --> 00:03:07.599 complex police investigation, and discusses whether a convicted mass murderer 51 00:03:07.639 --> 00:03:10.919 should ever be allowed to leave the confines of an institution. 52 00:03:12.560 --> 00:03:17.280 Most importantly, it tells the story of one family forever changed. 53 00:03:18.240 --> 00:03:21.439 The book that we're featuring this evening is Murder Time six, 54 00:03:22.039 --> 00:03:24.639 The True story of the Wells Gray Park murders, with 55 00:03:24.759 --> 00:03:29.240 my special guest, journalists, author and radio host Alan R. Warren. 56 00:03:29.800 --> 00:03:31.759 Welcome back to the program, and thank you very much 57 00:03:31.800 --> 00:03:34.039 for this interview. Alan R. 58 00:03:34.199 --> 00:03:38.080 Warren, Well, thanks for having me. It's always good to 59 00:03:38.159 --> 00:03:38.520 talk to you. 60 00:03:39.879 --> 00:03:44.039 Thank you very much for this congratulations on this new book, 61 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:49.439 Murder Time six. Tell us how you came to want 62 00:03:49.520 --> 00:03:51.439 to write Murder Time six. 63 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:56.360 Well, you know, I get asked that sort of question 64 00:03:56.479 --> 00:04:00.639 all the time I was in Colowna. It's a town 65 00:04:00.759 --> 00:04:04.599 in British Columbia, UH in the interior, and I have 66 00:04:04.719 --> 00:04:06.319 a place here, and so I was up here for 67 00:04:07.120 --> 00:04:12.599 UH near Christmas time, and there's a hair salon in 68 00:04:12.840 --> 00:04:16.279 town that always buys my books, and I had a 69 00:04:16.360 --> 00:04:20.639 couple of new ones. So I dropped by, uh just 70 00:04:20.759 --> 00:04:23.480 before and and UH to give them some of my books. 71 00:04:23.800 --> 00:04:26.399 There's three three different girls there that that buy them. 72 00:04:26.439 --> 00:04:28.839 And the owner came up to me and asked me, UH, 73 00:04:30.399 --> 00:04:34.120 why I have never written about this h sharing case, 74 00:04:34.240 --> 00:04:37.879 the Wells Gray Murders. And I said, well, you know, 75 00:04:38.040 --> 00:04:41.720 I've never heard of it, not being from Kelowna originally. 76 00:04:42.600 --> 00:04:45.680 And she kind of explained some of it and some 77 00:04:45.839 --> 00:04:49.879 of the details and uh, and that that there was 78 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:54.360 an aquatics center in the western side of the city 79 00:04:54.480 --> 00:04:58.199 that was dedicated to the family and to the and 80 00:04:58.600 --> 00:05:01.399 and so I thought, wow, this is jeez. So when 81 00:05:01.439 --> 00:05:03.079 I went home, I kind of looked it up and 82 00:05:04.120 --> 00:05:06.560 kind of put her to side. And you know, I 83 00:05:06.600 --> 00:05:08.920 always have four or five stories going at a time, 84 00:05:09.079 --> 00:05:14.879 and so when I located family members, I sent them, 85 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:18.560 you know, letters or emails and stuff, and just to 86 00:05:18.639 --> 00:05:21.240 see what they thought about a book being written and 87 00:05:21.360 --> 00:05:24.759 if they would be interested and if they wanted to 88 00:05:24.800 --> 00:05:30.879 be involved, and the response was really good. It seemed 89 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:33.759 like everybody was on board. And so with such a 90 00:05:33.959 --> 00:05:37.319 positive sort of feedback, I thought, well, it's let's start 91 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:39.639 on this. And that's that's how it all started. 92 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:46.879 Now take us back and to Bob Johnson, forty four 93 00:05:47.000 --> 00:05:50.920 year old man and his wife Jackie forty one years old, 94 00:05:51.160 --> 00:05:53.800 and they had two daughters, Janet which was thirteen, and 95 00:05:53.959 --> 00:05:57.560 Karen eleven, and they had planned to go to Jazzer 96 00:05:57.680 --> 00:06:02.680 National Park in Alberta with Dockie's parents, George and Edith Bentley, 97 00:06:02.720 --> 00:06:05.639 and George was sixty six years old and Edith Bentley 98 00:06:05.759 --> 00:06:08.639 was fifty nine years old, and Georgia just retired from 99 00:06:08.680 --> 00:06:11.079 his job in the lumber mill and bought a brand 100 00:06:11.120 --> 00:06:15.120 new heavy duty nineteen eighty one silver Ford pickup truck 101 00:06:15.519 --> 00:06:18.720 with a ten foot vanguard over the cab camper and 102 00:06:18.879 --> 00:06:22.480 hung an outdoor motor on the back. Tell us about 103 00:06:22.519 --> 00:06:26.920 this family trip and where they were eventually going. We 104 00:06:27.079 --> 00:06:31.079 mentioned Jasper National Park, but tell us where this trip 105 00:06:31.160 --> 00:06:33.680 camping trip took them to, and tell us a little 106 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:36.360 bit more about the Johnson and Bentley families. 107 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:43.040 Well, the Johnson's lived in West Colowna and back then 108 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:46.240 and it was just a small town outside of Kelowna, 109 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:48.920 just called West Bank, so it wasn't part of the city. 110 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:55.399 As the family used to do everything outdoors, you know, camping, fishing, snowboarding, 111 00:06:55.680 --> 00:06:59.879 snow everything, just any chance to get away they could 112 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:02.959 and where they lived, you know, especially back then, you 113 00:07:03.079 --> 00:07:05.240 drove for ten to fifteen minutes you were in the woods. 114 00:07:06.680 --> 00:07:09.399 So that's kind of them. And the father worked at 115 00:07:09.720 --> 00:07:12.680 Gorman Mills, which he had been at for quite a 116 00:07:12.759 --> 00:07:16.959 while and had a really good reputation. The two daughters 117 00:07:17.040 --> 00:07:21.279 were in school and they in their house. They had 118 00:07:21.839 --> 00:07:27.040 his parents living downstairs. They're helping to take care of them, 119 00:07:27.920 --> 00:07:31.360 and yeah, so this trip was really kind of the 120 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:36.279 summer vacation. Take two weeks off and go up to 121 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:39.319 the park and go fishing and spend time together. And 122 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:43.079 they loved doing that. Wells Gray Park is a very 123 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:48.199 popular park in the interior, but they sort of were 124 00:07:48.480 --> 00:07:51.600 more to themselves and they weren't at big into going 125 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:55.240 right into the main park campsite and hanging out with everybody. 126 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:58.759 They would go kind of to the outskirts. They would 127 00:07:58.759 --> 00:08:02.040 looked for kind of a quieter, more private place and 128 00:08:02.399 --> 00:08:06.519 that's what they did. So they went and found that, 129 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:09.519 and initially there were going to be more members of 130 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:13.560 the family going. They were going to kind of meet 131 00:08:13.680 --> 00:08:18.040 up in the Jasper area and then go to Wells 132 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:21.600 Gray from there, but a couple of the other family 133 00:08:21.680 --> 00:08:25.199 members decided they had some other things to do and 134 00:08:25.319 --> 00:08:27.759 there was something that kind of a wedding of a 135 00:08:27.839 --> 00:08:30.480 friend that they thought they'd go to, so a lot 136 00:08:30.519 --> 00:08:32.440 of them went their own direction, so it was just 137 00:08:32.600 --> 00:08:34.480 the six members of this family. 138 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:40.320 Now this Wells Gray Park. Tell us a little bit 139 00:08:40.360 --> 00:08:44.279 about how big this park is and the kind of 140 00:08:44.360 --> 00:08:46.879 park it really is. And you mentioned that they really 141 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:51.399 wanted the family to get away from popular I guess 142 00:08:51.600 --> 00:08:56.600 capping sites, so they picked Gray'swell Park for that reason 143 00:08:56.639 --> 00:08:58.879 as well. But tell us a little bit more about 144 00:08:58.879 --> 00:08:59.720 the park itself. 145 00:09:01.279 --> 00:09:04.639 Well, the park is it's it's a really popular park, 146 00:09:04.799 --> 00:09:06.960 especially back then it was kind of the place to 147 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:11.799 go in the interior of BC. So you know, you're 148 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:18.200 you're kind of between Vancouver and Calgary, the two big cities. 149 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:21.159 You're a good couple hundred miles away from either one. 150 00:09:22.840 --> 00:09:28.360 So it's a really good location and great weather, lots 151 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:33.720 of wildlife, fishing and just everything you could think of 152 00:09:34.919 --> 00:09:38.720 was there. So if if I think it's the third 153 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:43.159 largest park in Canada, if I remember right, so, so 154 00:09:43.399 --> 00:09:48.600 very very big park, very nice, beautiful area. And that 155 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:51.720 was sort of their idea. And you know, like I said, 156 00:09:51.799 --> 00:09:54.600 instead of being in the center of the park, Uh, 157 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:57.960 they kind of went out and looked for just any 158 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:02.159 place that that was flatten available to camp. And that's 159 00:10:02.200 --> 00:10:04.679 sort of what they found. They found a nice secluded 160 00:10:04.759 --> 00:10:07.559 place close to the fishing, close to the river, and 161 00:10:08.279 --> 00:10:12.399 it was near an old abandoned prison site that was 162 00:10:12.480 --> 00:10:16.159 in the park. It had been closed down and most 163 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:18.440 of it had fallen apart. There wasn't a whole lot 164 00:10:19.120 --> 00:10:23.000 left of it. But it was a really good flat 165 00:10:23.039 --> 00:10:26.240 ground area. So they could set the grandparents camp rup 166 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:30.159 and on flat ground and set up the tent and everything, 167 00:10:30.200 --> 00:10:32.679 and it was you know, do have a big bonfire 168 00:10:32.799 --> 00:10:34.919 and it was a perfect place. 169 00:10:36.799 --> 00:10:39.399 Now you talk about the Johnson family, they had packed 170 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:42.039 up all of their belongings in their nineteen seventy nine 171 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:45.799 Plymouth caravel with a cartop carrier and they had left 172 00:10:45.879 --> 00:10:49.639 on August second, nineteen eighty two. The Bentleys had checked 173 00:10:49.679 --> 00:10:52.440 into a campsite two hundred and fifty miles northwest of Calgary, 174 00:10:52.559 --> 00:10:55.240 like you had mentioned, August eighth, and then the Johnson's 175 00:10:55.320 --> 00:10:58.080 arrived at August eleventh, and after that they all headed 176 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:01.639 to Wells Gray Park, grandparents, the parents, and the two 177 00:11:01.759 --> 00:11:06.600 girls Janet and Karen. Now they got to that park 178 00:11:06.919 --> 00:11:10.120 August eleventh. And when they got there, like you mentioned, 179 00:11:10.159 --> 00:11:13.960 they found a secluded spot. So from everything, as you 180 00:11:14.039 --> 00:11:17.000 write in the book, what happened once they got there. 181 00:11:17.519 --> 00:11:20.279 They had the ten sleeping bags, the camper, the adults 182 00:11:20.360 --> 00:11:23.759 were going to be in sleeping in the camper. Tell 183 00:11:23.879 --> 00:11:27.360 us what they did. And you talk about the grandmother 184 00:11:27.679 --> 00:11:31.799 wanting to make her favorite dish or favorite pie. Pardon me. 185 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:38.639 Yeah, Well, the family liked to spend a lot of 186 00:11:38.720 --> 00:11:43.200 time fishing and you know, doing a campfire. It was 187 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:48.279 just really a time to spend together and you know, 188 00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:52.320 talk about their lives and they're a very close family 189 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:57.679 that way. So so really it was that's what it 190 00:11:57.799 --> 00:12:00.399 was about. It was very warm, it wasn't out. It 191 00:12:00.519 --> 00:12:02.399 was a good time of the year to be there. 192 00:12:03.039 --> 00:12:06.799 And as far the grandmother, yeah, so they would go 193 00:12:06.879 --> 00:12:11.440 out picking berries because she loved to make pies. For everybody, 194 00:12:12.240 --> 00:12:14.720 and so that was kind of the key thing for them. 195 00:12:14.799 --> 00:12:19.120 So they're going to pick berries and no no real agenda, 196 00:12:19.679 --> 00:12:24.399 no real time frame. I think they kind of like 197 00:12:24.519 --> 00:12:28.480 to get lost in, uh, just just being away from 198 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:31.679 home and work and just kind of, you know, just 199 00:12:31.799 --> 00:12:36.639 in that atmosphere of of being a family and being 200 00:12:36.759 --> 00:12:40.720 together and camping and just enjoying each other and sitting 201 00:12:40.759 --> 00:12:44.320 around talking about things and things like that. It wasn't, 202 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:49.320 like I said, there was no big strip, you know, 203 00:12:49.559 --> 00:12:52.200 just pick huckleberries and things like that. 204 00:12:53.080 --> 00:12:56.200 You talk about that they had an uneventful like you mentioned, 205 00:12:56.279 --> 00:12:59.720 a night they set up quite easily. There wasn't much 206 00:12:59.799 --> 00:13:02.039 to do. The girls set up the tent, They had 207 00:13:02.080 --> 00:13:04.720 a night around the campfire. The next day, the girls 208 00:13:04.840 --> 00:13:08.759 ran in the woods and explored likely swam there in 209 00:13:08.799 --> 00:13:11.639 their bathing suits. It's caught a small fish, he said. 210 00:13:12.360 --> 00:13:16.240 And so everybody was having a great time. And this, 211 00:13:16.919 --> 00:13:19.120 you know, Bob was just newly our pardon me, the 212 00:13:19.159 --> 00:13:22.600 grandfather was just newly retired. So the thing is is 213 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:27.039 that they had another great day, but uneventful in terms 214 00:13:27.080 --> 00:13:30.399 of anybody coming around and seeing anybody, any intruders or 215 00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:35.360 any visitors, whatsoever, not even roasted some marshmallows. So we'll 216 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:41.240 say about the third night that they are there, what happens. 217 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:44.399 As you read in the book, the girls are in 218 00:13:44.480 --> 00:13:50.440 the tent, and just from their perspective, what happens one 219 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:54.480 night again when they're ready to go to bed. It's 220 00:13:54.519 --> 00:13:57.360 a little bit later, what happens. 221 00:13:59.080 --> 00:14:03.919 Yeah, it was. It's kind of I played with the 222 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:09.840 dates a little because talking to the killer and looking 223 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:12.960 at the police reports and the family and kind of 224 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:15.720 going through everything, I got a few different dates from 225 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:20.200 from everybody, so I kind of put it as as 226 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:22.919 second or third day. I was kind of loose on that. 227 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:32.960 Apparently what had happened was the killer had watched family 228 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:38.159 for at least one night, and in his mind he 229 00:14:40.159 --> 00:14:43.559 wanted to be with the two girls, the two young girls, 230 00:14:44.559 --> 00:14:49.639 and so he would have to eliminate the four adults, 231 00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:53.200 and so I guess he came up with a plan 232 00:14:53.639 --> 00:14:55.600 in his own mind of how he was going to 233 00:14:55.679 --> 00:14:58.600 do that. And on the night you were talking, Yeah, 234 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:02.399 the kids got put the bed in their tent and 235 00:15:02.679 --> 00:15:06.679 the four adults were sitting around the campfire having a beer. 236 00:15:07.679 --> 00:15:14.120 I believe one was standing and the killer sharing he 237 00:15:14.360 --> 00:15:19.159 came out and shot the adults. Basically, I kind of 238 00:15:19.240 --> 00:15:24.519 explain how it happened and how he shot all four 239 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:28.879 adults and with the father. The father he had shot 240 00:15:28.919 --> 00:15:33.039 in the neck first, and he was still alive and 241 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:36.759 bleeding and was laying out on the ground. So he 242 00:15:36.919 --> 00:15:38.840 killed the other three adults, and then he went to 243 00:15:38.960 --> 00:15:42.720 the tent and what he did with the girls in 244 00:15:42.799 --> 00:15:47.200 the tent is still we don't know for sure, because 245 00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:50.279 he gave me a different story than he gave the police, 246 00:15:50.320 --> 00:15:55.600 who there was a lot of you know. Either way, 247 00:15:55.720 --> 00:15:58.360 he went into the tent, he spent time with them, 248 00:15:59.480 --> 00:16:04.200 and then when he came out with the girls, he 249 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:07.919 was going to take them back to his place. He 250 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:11.080 could see the father was making noise and still alive, 251 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:14.639 so he shot him in the head and that's right 252 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:18.399 in front of the girls. 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Even though we've kind of stopped 282 00:17:58.359 --> 00:18:02.680 it and tried to explain it. In that David Ennis 283 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:08.000 Well former Sharing, we'll call him David Sharing, he talked 284 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:10.559 about coming up to the campsite after he had observed 285 00:18:10.640 --> 00:18:14.400 the girls the night before. He had seen them originally 286 00:18:14.759 --> 00:18:19.039 supposedly and spotted the whole family coming home from work 287 00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:23.039 one day, then did this surveillance of them. Then he 288 00:18:23.160 --> 00:18:26.920 thought maybe he might have been heard or something, so 289 00:18:27.039 --> 00:18:29.680 he came back. But what he did is he said, 290 00:18:29.720 --> 00:18:34.119 he came there, one of the women stood up, likely 291 00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:38.720 Jackie Johnson, and he said, listen, I've got a gun. 292 00:18:40.240 --> 00:18:49.160 Don't move, and he shot her. Then Bob Johnson seemed 293 00:18:49.759 --> 00:18:52.799 it looked like younger man, he said, stood up and 294 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:58.000 he shot him. And then you what's interesting is that 295 00:18:58.160 --> 00:19:01.480 the original story we haven't even got to anything yet, 296 00:19:01.599 --> 00:19:05.000 but the original story of when all is said and 297 00:19:05.119 --> 00:19:08.400 done is much different than the story we just told 298 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:14.039 about how he shot the parents and the grandparents and 299 00:19:14.160 --> 00:19:20.400 then went in and likely sexually assaulted these girls and 300 00:19:20.559 --> 00:19:23.599 then later they were killed. So we have a different 301 00:19:23.680 --> 00:19:28.519 story than the one that comes up at his trial 302 00:19:28.720 --> 00:19:36.319 and then later comes up according to a detective east Ham. 303 00:19:36.839 --> 00:19:41.640 So let's go back to what happens right after this 304 00:19:41.960 --> 00:19:48.880 murderous rampage of at least four people. What happens well 305 00:19:49.359 --> 00:19:53.559 with work and with Bob Johnson. This is August the 306 00:19:53.680 --> 00:19:54.519 twenty third. 307 00:19:56.119 --> 00:20:02.000 Right, So they had not showed up back home, and 308 00:20:02.880 --> 00:20:08.279 Bob Johnson had not showed up at work. So you know, 309 00:20:08.440 --> 00:20:11.279 the boss, who happened to be a really good friend, 310 00:20:12.839 --> 00:20:16.000 was a little bit concerned because that never happens, you know, 311 00:20:16.680 --> 00:20:19.759 And so he called home and nobody knew anything, and 312 00:20:19.880 --> 00:20:26.160 he started searching around, and so he called the Cologna 313 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:30.119 police detachment and informed them about what was going on. 314 00:20:30.960 --> 00:20:35.440 And so eventually they realized that the family had not 315 00:20:35.599 --> 00:20:39.920 come back, there was nobody home, and something was gone, 316 00:20:40.119 --> 00:20:44.200 you know, gone wrong. Initially, in their minds, I think 317 00:20:44.240 --> 00:20:49.079 they were thinking, you know, they got broke down, something 318 00:20:49.200 --> 00:20:52.319 happened in that way, or they weren't thinking, of course, 319 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:57.039 what had happened. That wasn't on their minds. It wasn't 320 00:20:57.079 --> 00:21:01.680 on anybody's minds initially, and so that's how that went. 321 00:21:01.839 --> 00:21:05.680 And then eventually they caught on and realized that there 322 00:21:05.799 --> 00:21:10.640 was something a little more going on. So it became 323 00:21:10.759 --> 00:21:14.160 concerning and the police got involved and they set up 324 00:21:14.200 --> 00:21:18.559 and they started doing their you know, some basic search 325 00:21:19.240 --> 00:21:21.920 in the parks and things like that for the family 326 00:21:22.079 --> 00:21:24.759 to see who had signed in and where and when 327 00:21:24.880 --> 00:21:29.119 and try to locate where they were. And that's how 328 00:21:29.200 --> 00:21:34.240 that went. Yeah, so I think that's the best I 329 00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:34.960 can say about that. 330 00:21:36.599 --> 00:21:39.039 The first tip you write is from a local gas 331 00:21:39.079 --> 00:21:42.920 station near clear Water, and then an attendant there had 332 00:21:43.000 --> 00:21:47.640 seen the grandparents traveling with their two grandchildren and they 333 00:21:47.720 --> 00:21:50.200 had asked if he knew of a good spot to 334 00:21:50.319 --> 00:21:54.599 pick these huckleberries, which was the grandmother's favorite. That led 335 00:21:54.640 --> 00:21:58.559 police onto a search, including help like you had mentioned 336 00:21:58.599 --> 00:22:02.680 from the community, including private planes as well, and this 337 00:22:02.759 --> 00:22:07.279 search went on for weeks. On September thirteenth, you write, 338 00:22:07.680 --> 00:22:11.000 this is still nineteen eighty two. A man, Kurt Crack 339 00:22:11.960 --> 00:22:14.519 remembers seeing the Johnson vehicle when he was out picking 340 00:22:14.599 --> 00:22:18.160 mushrooms in the park in late August, and for some reason, 341 00:22:18.279 --> 00:22:21.799 he doesn't report it till September thirteenth. I think because 342 00:22:21.799 --> 00:22:25.200 he just wasn't available for him too, or he saw 343 00:22:25.319 --> 00:22:29.279 the report on the news later for whatever reason. It's 344 00:22:29.359 --> 00:22:32.240 now September thirteenth, and he said he saw a burnt 345 00:22:32.279 --> 00:22:36.200 out Chrysler in the woods just off battle Mount Road. 346 00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:41.000 So the person that had been contacted is Sergeant Veruda. 347 00:22:42.039 --> 00:22:46.000 He heads to the location. Now this is an old 348 00:22:46.079 --> 00:22:50.240 horseback riding trail and they find tire marks. What do 349 00:22:50.359 --> 00:22:51.119 they find. 350 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:52.839 This? 351 00:22:53.680 --> 00:22:55.839 What is this car? And is it the car that 352 00:22:56.039 --> 00:22:57.000 police are looking for? 353 00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:04.200 Think initially when they saw the tire tracks going off 354 00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:09.640 the road and Baruda got there, I guess, I guess 355 00:23:09.720 --> 00:23:12.200 the initial thing was that he just saw an outline 356 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:15.160 of what looked like a burnt out car. And even 357 00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:18.920 some of the police reports, the comments were that the 358 00:23:19.039 --> 00:23:21.799 first thought was just it was a rusted, old, abandoned car. 359 00:23:23.480 --> 00:23:28.000 But he could see the license plate and read the numbers, 360 00:23:28.599 --> 00:23:32.440 and that's kind of when they when when they connected 361 00:23:32.480 --> 00:23:34.400 it that this was it, This was the car that 362 00:23:34.599 --> 00:23:37.319 was missing. This is the Johnson, Bob Johnson and his 363 00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:41.640 wife's car. So they roped it off immediately, and then 364 00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:46.240 they got a hold of Easton, who's then Kamloops. Baruta 365 00:23:46.400 --> 00:23:49.759 was a Clearwater r c MP. And then what they did, 366 00:23:50.079 --> 00:23:51.799 you know, and Easton was in charge of kind of 367 00:23:51.880 --> 00:23:57.440 the serious crime unit, so murders and and things like that. 368 00:23:57.720 --> 00:23:59.559 So when they got a hold of him, they said, well, 369 00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:02.839 we found that we filmed the Johnson car and uh, 370 00:24:04.519 --> 00:24:06.720 you better get out here. And so that was it. 371 00:24:07.519 --> 00:24:10.880 So of course they got their unit together and headed 372 00:24:10.960 --> 00:24:13.599 out to find out what was this was all about? 373 00:24:13.680 --> 00:24:16.200 What what evidence they could find in the car and 374 00:24:16.319 --> 00:24:16.960 around the car. 375 00:24:19.759 --> 00:24:23.039 So they looked in the back initially, and they didn't 376 00:24:23.160 --> 00:24:25.400 know how many bodies were in the back. They couldn't 377 00:24:25.559 --> 00:24:28.839 recognize how many were there were bone fragments. So when 378 00:24:28.920 --> 00:24:31.759 Eastham comes he takes a look, he doesn't know either, 379 00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:35.960 but there's a key or a key key ring in 380 00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:42.680 the trunk tell us. Eventually how many bodies they found 381 00:24:42.839 --> 00:24:47.400 were determined were Uh, we're established that they were in 382 00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:49.920 the back seat and what did they find in the trunk? 383 00:24:52.279 --> 00:24:56.119 Yeah, Initially Baruda and his team first knew there were 384 00:24:56.480 --> 00:25:00.359 bodies or they had no idea how many or what 385 00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:03.319 was going on. So when Easton and the other team 386 00:25:03.400 --> 00:25:08.279 showed up again, it was questionable. They didn't know how 387 00:25:08.319 --> 00:25:11.599 many people because it was all burnt out. The key 388 00:25:11.720 --> 00:25:16.519 ring and the key the back part where you would 389 00:25:16.559 --> 00:25:20.200 put the key in of the trunk to open it 390 00:25:20.720 --> 00:25:24.480 was busted, so he had to pry it open with 391 00:25:24.640 --> 00:25:31.960 a crowbar, and inside of that he found what they 392 00:25:32.039 --> 00:25:37.359 thought were probably two bodies, maybe one. It was questionable immediately, 393 00:25:38.319 --> 00:25:41.519 but you know, once the skulls came together, they knew 394 00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:44.200 there was two in the back. They were also very small, 395 00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:47.839 and so they figured the two in the back with 396 00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:53.079 the children. Now this is important because then the assumption 397 00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:57.599 was that the two in the back seat were Bob 398 00:25:57.680 --> 00:26:03.839 Johnson and Jackie. And so at that point, the grandparents 399 00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:07.799 were still missing. The camper which belonged to the grandparents 400 00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:10.720 was not around, or the bolt or the mortar and 401 00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:13.039