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<v Speaker 1>This is the Baseline, discussing the hot button topics of.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome everybody, your tune to the Baseline. Cali Warrnt Shaw

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<v Speaker 1>discussing the hot button topics of the nb A very

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<v Speaker 1>very busy episode of the Baseline could be somber, could

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<v Speaker 1>be as what the Mexicans called the Day of the Dead.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're gonna put in some double work, man, because

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<v Speaker 1>a lot has happened in the last forty eight hours.

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<v Speaker 1>But as always, man, always great to do with my

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<v Speaker 1>right hand man, brother from another brother, my brother Warrant Shaw,

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<v Speaker 1>repping out of Fort Florida, Deville, Florida. What's good, mister Shaw?

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<v Speaker 1>How are you feeling? What was that movie? I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was our generation. It's called Flatliners? Is that that? That?

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<v Speaker 1>That real interesting? You know what I'm saying? Uh, noir type?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, it's it's always real somber. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>when you're in this line of work and then you

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<v Speaker 2>have to go and you know, bury somebody you love

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<v Speaker 2>and you know that day has come upon us, you

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<v Speaker 2>know here on the Baseline MBA Podcast, as our beloved

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<v Speaker 2>you know, is one of the teams that will be

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<v Speaker 2>autop seats. This this afternoon. So it's a really, really

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<v Speaker 2>somber note. But the job must be done, the show

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<v Speaker 2>must go on. You need to do the thing that

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<v Speaker 2>we would ordinarily do for any other team. Despite the

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<v Speaker 2>displeasure that I'm going to take it, I'm actually.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, see you have level of displeasure for this, But

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<v Speaker 1>I actually am very intrigued, very intrigued, Like I am fascinated.

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<v Speaker 1>I it's one of like it's like one of those

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<v Speaker 1>mad villains. It's like, you know, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>I should feel bad, but I am fascinated on where

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<v Speaker 1>we might allow this to go because there's so many

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<v Speaker 1>different directions that could be taken from what transpired, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think one thing is definitely for certain Shaw the

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<v Speaker 1>Eastern Conference has proven to us yet again that you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to have more questions than answers about these teams

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<v Speaker 1>and the way that these teams were eliminated. So if

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<v Speaker 1>people are not cluing in, clearly our autopsy is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be covering the Boss and Celtics and the Cleveland Cavaliers,

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<v Speaker 1>no surprise there, But it's also going to elevate the

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<v Speaker 1>questions on the validity of how strong these teams are

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<v Speaker 1>because if you really think about it, sew in this generation,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think you can honestly say that there is

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<v Speaker 1>a dynastic franchise in the making anytime soon. Now we

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<v Speaker 1>can deliberate between what's going to cause that, what's triggering that,

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<v Speaker 1>what the effect of that is. But I can honestly

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<v Speaker 1>say that when you look at the talent of the rosters,

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard for me to imagine that there is such

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<v Speaker 1>fragility and lack of sustainability in the evolution of greatness

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<v Speaker 1>in some of these teams that have been constructed. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's because of the player themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's the organization, or if it's because of what

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<v Speaker 1>other teams are doing in order to strategically counter the

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<v Speaker 1>style of play or the culture of how that team

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<v Speaker 1>operates within. Again, it's something that can extend itself on.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you want too legitimate test cases for us

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<v Speaker 1>to have to question whether or not there is another

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<v Speaker 1>run left in these teams if you kept them as is,

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<v Speaker 1>I challenge you to say whether or not that will

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<v Speaker 1>it will not be the case. And I think this

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to be speaking to in our edition of

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<v Speaker 1>the Baseline this week.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, there's a lot of different

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<v Speaker 2>threads to kind of to pull on for both of

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<v Speaker 2>these teams, two of the elite teams in the Eastern

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<v Speaker 2>Conference in terms of record, and then what expectations were

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<v Speaker 2>going into the playoffs. And I think the playoffs themselves

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<v Speaker 2>are weird because, as I think you're indicating, the aspect

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<v Speaker 2>of truly billing dynasties is really hard and there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of reasons for that. I think primarily in the

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<v Speaker 2>case of Boston is going to be the aspect of

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<v Speaker 2>the finances. You end up being a second apron team.

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<v Speaker 2>You're paying X amount of dollars. Can you keep this

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<v Speaker 2>team together? You know when it's going to cost you

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<v Speaker 2>literally double and triple the actual salaries that you're paying

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<v Speaker 2>out just because of the punitive taxes that are involved

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<v Speaker 2>in there too. So Adam Silver's NBA is upon us,

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<v Speaker 2>as many on X have said, you know, parody is

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<v Speaker 2>here in the NBA in a very very real way.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, there's some conversation whether that's that's good or not.

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<v Speaker 2>But two to really struggling sorrys, two teams that really

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<v Speaker 2>struggle here in the second round are ultimately we're eliminated,

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<v Speaker 2>and as we're recording, we don't know the outcome of

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<v Speaker 2>a Game seven for the number one team in the NBA,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, with the Oklahoma City Thunder as well too, So

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<v Speaker 2>by the time this comes out, we will have that

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<v Speaker 2>answer whether or not they get to move on. But

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<v Speaker 2>really interesting that teams that were dominant in the regular

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<v Speaker 2>seasons are now kind of falling to the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>the pack, if you will, in terms of the regular season,

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<v Speaker 2>which also means maybe the regular season doesn't matter as

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<v Speaker 2>much as we thought it did. Yeah. Yeah, so a.

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<v Speaker 1>Lot of interesting, you know what I'm saying, threads to

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<v Speaker 1>pull out. Very excited for us to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of dig into that, unfortunately at the expense of

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<v Speaker 1>our team, you know, as one of those teams that

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<v Speaker 1>we're putting on the slab this week in the autopsy report.

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<v Speaker 1>And then also, you know, it's important, man, we got

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<v Speaker 1>to cover the Eastern Conference Finals, right right. The ECF

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<v Speaker 1>is now been set between the Indiana Pacers and the

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<v Speaker 1>New York Knicks, So we'll kind of give our perspective

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<v Speaker 1>on that and give our takes about who's going to

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<v Speaker 1>advance to the NBA Finals. As a representative of the

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<v Speaker 1>Eastern Conference, so a lot to get into. As always,

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<v Speaker 1>Run your game coming up, Sean, I put the teams

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<v Speaker 1>on the slab. You know it's time for them autopsy report.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't miss it here on the Baseline. We are back.

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<v Speaker 1>Calie Warrenshaw. The Baseline NBA Podcast time now for us

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<v Speaker 1>to do the coveted autopsy report, and the first team

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<v Speaker 1>that we're gonna put on the slab shaw is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be the reigning defending champions. I figured, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it was interesting. I was saying to myself, should we

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<v Speaker 1>start with the Calves or should we start with the Celtics?

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<v Speaker 1>And I think it's only right that we start with

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<v Speaker 1>the Boss of Celtics. Not because they were the last

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<v Speaker 1>team to get knocked out as part of our discussion

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<v Speaker 1>for the autopsy report, but they are the def champions.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that there's a lot of threads that

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<v Speaker 1>have to be pulled out when you look at the

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<v Speaker 1>Boston Celtics, because if you go back a year, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of people questioned the validity of

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<v Speaker 1>the championship that the Boss and Celtics won. Now I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not questioning it, and I know you weren't questioning it,

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<v Speaker 1>but we were certainly not going to go out on

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<v Speaker 1>a limb and say, among the great Boston Celtics teams,

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<v Speaker 1>you were among one of the greatest. They may have

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<v Speaker 1>put up really impressive numbers, right, numbers that for this

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<v Speaker 1>generation may spark some kind of a debate about how

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<v Speaker 1>legitimately great, they could have been right in comparison to others,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think in the grand scheme of things, we

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<v Speaker 1>understood this was a well built team built to win

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<v Speaker 1>today's NBA championship. Okay, they literally had a strategy. They

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<v Speaker 1>literally had a counter for every team that was out

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<v Speaker 1>there if and went healthy. I think going into this

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<v Speaker 1>season how we really wanted to find out the level

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<v Speaker 1>of greatness that this team can possibly ascend to. And

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't a question of whether or not they were

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<v Speaker 1>going to win another championship for us to have that conversation,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was a question of how dominant could

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<v Speaker 1>they be in the regular season and how dominant can

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<v Speaker 1>they be against any of the teams that we all

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<v Speaker 1>still have question marks about who would actually still be

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<v Speaker 1>able to be able to compete and legitimately hang with

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<v Speaker 1>the Boston Celtics. And I think we focus a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of attention on teams on the Western Conference because that

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<v Speaker 1>was a toss up more so than what we were

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<v Speaker 1>worrying about with the Boston Celtics. But I think as

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<v Speaker 1>we watched this regular season playout, shaw it was very

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<v Speaker 1>evident that the Boston Celtics clearly were not the team

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<v Speaker 1>of last year, and I don't think that they clearly

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<v Speaker 1>are the team that I think a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>thought that with the evolution of Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum,

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<v Speaker 1>that this is the equation of that dynamic duo that

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<v Speaker 1>will be the building block of multiple, multiple championships, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>moving forward. I think a lot of that now has

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, where to start, uh with this? With this

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<v Speaker 2>organization that I'll buy most people's accounts was at least

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<v Speaker 2>had the second best ozs of whin the NBA Championship.

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<v Speaker 2>So the playoffs started, and you know, there was something

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<v Speaker 2>that wasn't quite right. So I don't want to get

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<v Speaker 2>lost to Melo Sauce because a lot todd pack here, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me even go before the playoffs. The regular season

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<v Speaker 2>ended and they were looking like kind of like themselves

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<v Speaker 2>from last year. They finished the season kind of regularly dominated,

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<v Speaker 2>if you will, But there were times in the season

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, oh, they don't look quite right, but they're

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<v Speaker 2>They'll turn it on, they'll turn it on. I think

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<v Speaker 2>they took the Knicks too lightly, I you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think we can't have this conversation without crediting New

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<v Speaker 2>back in the first two games and then ultimately put

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<v Speaker 2>in the nail of a coffin in an emphatic way

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<v Speaker 2>in game six. But the Celtics seem to take their

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<v Speaker 2>regular season and success against New York to some level of,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, of advantage, and they took it for granted,

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<v Speaker 2>and then in those first two games got basically surprised,

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<v Speaker 2>and now we're playing from behind on their heels, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you put yourself in a position where you're having

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<v Speaker 2>not necessarily play harder because you're always playing harder in

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<v Speaker 2>the playoffs, but there's there's a lot of stress now

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<v Speaker 2>when trying to do what you were trying to do

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of terms repeating. Tatum goes down unfortunately now

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<v Speaker 2>for a very very long time with the Achilles injuries.

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<v Speaker 2>And then yeah, they have a great showing, if you will,

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of some pride in game five, but ultimately

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<v Speaker 2>just get Wax and mulliwopped in game six to me

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<v Speaker 2>where Boston struggles here now is in the terms of

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<v Speaker 2>their longevity of who they ultimately want to become, because

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<v Speaker 2>the questions is like, well, Isola is Mossoula really a

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<v Speaker 2>great coaches has now come back up? Are the are? Are?

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<v Speaker 2>Can you keep this team together? Is ultimately kind of

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<v Speaker 2>coming up? Is Jenna Brown? I'm that guy at fifty

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars. Everything is now in flux. When last year

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<v Speaker 2>we were like, hey, this is a great team that

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<v Speaker 2>might be on a two or maybe even a three

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<v Speaker 2>year run. That timeline now is absolutely thrown out the window.

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<v Speaker 2>It is branched off into some ugly multiverse situation here

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<v Speaker 2>now that not even Brad Stevens could have predicted it's

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm not going to give them a pass for

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<v Speaker 1>what they did in this this playoff series with the

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<v Speaker 1>New York Knicks, but I am not going to lean

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<v Speaker 1>in on this was the only incident that we've seen

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<v Speaker 1>regarding this, this Bus and Celtics team. I'm gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>on this all because you know how I am about this.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been about this about this life when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to what wins championships, and people can sit here and

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<v Speaker 1>argue with me up and down, we can agree to

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<v Speaker 1>disagree on certain things. I understand the goal is to

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<v Speaker 1>score the basketball, but the other goal as well too

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<v Speaker 1>is to prevent the other team from scoring more points

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<v Speaker 1>than you. And if you have already sablished that you're

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<v Speaker 1>scoring more points than the other team, it is your

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<v Speaker 1>role to ensure to win the game that at the

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<v Speaker 1>end that team doesn't score more points than you. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so we can sit here and we can you know,

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<v Speaker 1>act like this isn't something that hasn't been a trend

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<v Speaker 1>with the Boston Celtics. But you and I have been

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<v Speaker 1>distressed about what we've seen from this Boston Celtics team

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<v Speaker 1>going back to last year. This inateability to look like

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna go out and to use your terminology, you

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<v Speaker 1>just use mollywop. Teams establish twenty three, twenty four, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five point leads and then suddenly between the third and

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<v Speaker 1>the fourth quarter you allow a team to suddenly find

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<v Speaker 1>their way. It's almost as if they stop scoring the basketball,

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<v Speaker 1>they lose all sense of self. And I've been saying

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<v Speaker 1>this even from when they win that championship against the

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<v Speaker 1>Dallas Mavericks to their prosperity, wasn't gonna be about how

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<v Speaker 1>statistically nice they look and shooting the threes and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>It was what they were doing defensively. And I'm saying

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<v Speaker 1>to this, I'm saying this now, Shaw, because this is

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<v Speaker 1>why I think it's creeping up about questioning whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not this team can stay together. I think the elixir

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<v Speaker 1>that the Celtics afforded themselves having was a real great

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<v Speaker 1>floor general in a Drew Holiday going out there and

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<v Speaker 1>leaning on the things that he knew the Celtics needed

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<v Speaker 1>to keep consistent and elevate in order for them to

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<v Speaker 1>give themselves a chance to win that championship. You saw

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<v Speaker 1>Drew Holiday this season take a step back. I think,

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<v Speaker 1>by all accounts, Derek White took a step back defensively.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think the Celtics as a team, even though

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<v Speaker 1>the numbers may speak to that, they were still like

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<v Speaker 1>a top five team defensively. And we can use defensive

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<v Speaker 1>rating and all that stuff, Shaw, nothing excuses you putting

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<v Speaker 1>a twenty point mark on a team and then you

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<v Speaker 1>go into the second half and you inherently lose the

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<v Speaker 1>third and fourth quarter because you stopped defending. Not that

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<v Speaker 1>you stopped scoring, you stopped defending, and that is my

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<v Speaker 1>biggest bass. They both they stop defending and sing. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's connective shaw. I think once the shots

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<v Speaker 1>are no longer falling for them, they and listen. This

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<v Speaker 1>is very reminiscent of what we've seen with the Golden

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<v Speaker 1>State Warriors during their heyday. They stopped scoring the basketball,

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<v Speaker 1>and as all of a sudden, they just stopped stopping teams.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't as if, you know, when you were shooting

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<v Speaker 1>the lights out of the place, that you completely demoralize

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<v Speaker 1>a team. If a team figures out a way that

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<v Speaker 1>they can start scoring the basketball, it has to be

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<v Speaker 1>that defensively, you are I guess, imposing your will. And

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<v Speaker 1>I just saw that this Celtics team lacked that level

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<v Speaker 1>of imposing their will. Defensively. They leaned too much on

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that if we drop them down, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>drop twenty three pointers on them, they'll just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>fade away into the sunset, you know. And to your point,

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<v Speaker 1>you play against a team like the New York Knicks,

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<v Speaker 1>who are realistically as good as they are off, they

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<v Speaker 1>are a slow momentum gathering offensive team. They don't find

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<v Speaker 1>their mark until they get to those middling second quarter,

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<v Speaker 1>third quarters and to me, I think it was egregious

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<v Speaker 1>on Joe Mizzula's part to not point out to that

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<v Speaker 1>Celtics team when you're playing against teams like that, you

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<v Speaker 1>have got to win the third quarter. I'm gonna leave

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<v Speaker 1>it at that part because I know that there's more

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<v Speaker 1>that we want to go at this. But if you

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<v Speaker 1>really look at this across the board, Shaw and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna harken this back to win the Celtics during the

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<v Speaker 1>eight to the twelve seasons. What killed them from winning

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<v Speaker 1>those championships when they played against the better teams They

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<v Speaker 1>did not win the third quarter. They lost the third

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<v Speaker 1>and eventually evened out or lost the fourth quarter. And

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<v Speaker 1>you cannot afford to do that against teams in the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you practice those habits in the regular season,

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<v Speaker 1>they will doom to repeat and haunt you in the

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<v Speaker 1>most critical times, which in this case would be the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 2>Boston is going to maybe they'll take the high road,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm not going to let the mufflelog either. But inevitably,

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<v Speaker 2>this is not a healthy team. And you needed health

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<v Speaker 2>and you needed luck, and we said going into this

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<v Speaker 2>that porzingis needed to be healthy. They weren't going to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to fly through the playoffs without of porzingis

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<v Speaker 2>like they did last year. I don't know what is

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<v Speaker 2>going on, you know, with his respiratory infectioning, the long COVID,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it is, but he was a literal walking zombie

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<v Speaker 2>out there on the floor.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the liability, absolute liability.

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<v Speaker 2>Then there's the aspect of Jaylen Brown's need and so

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<v Speaker 2>there's things schematically that I'm I'm going to struggle with,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, understanding. But if Jalen is not healthy, and yes,

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<v Speaker 2>he's raising his hand because he is the guy, the

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<v Speaker 2>fifty five sixty million dollar guy. Now, especially with Tatum down,

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<v Speaker 2>his ability to try to slow down to Jelen Brunson

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<v Speaker 2>is not what it was. One because he's now compromised.

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<v Speaker 2>Two because Jaylen Brunson is a different type of shifty

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<v Speaker 2>than Luka Doncicche last year. Because obviously bigger, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have as much bounce and wiggle Jalen Jalen Brunson stop

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<v Speaker 2>and go is just like it's very hard for somebody

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<v Speaker 2>who's going to be taller, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe not less as mobile. And I thought that

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<v Speaker 2>was why I commend Massula and Brown for maybe at

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<v Speaker 2>least wanting to try to do that. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>that that was the right matchup, but White was also

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<v Speaker 2>getting cooked. Holiday was also getting cooked. So let me

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<v Speaker 2>finish because it also leads me into the aspect that

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<v Speaker 2>Missoula doesn't have a counter. They didn't have the zone

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of fall back into to try to force

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<v Speaker 2>New York to do something else. They just say, this

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<v Speaker 2>is what we know, this is what we do. And

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<v Speaker 2>the difference from this year to last year is that

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<v Speaker 2>even in that series, like, yes, they shot a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of threes last year, but Tatum obviously is a big

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<v Speaker 2>part of what they did last year. But they stopped

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<v Speaker 2>shooting threes and started going to the basket and had

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<v Speaker 2>better ways in essence to counter defensively even if they

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<v Speaker 2>were sticking in man demand. Those things didn't exist for

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<v Speaker 2>them this year because of the injuries, and they just

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<v Speaker 2>didn't really know what to do once what they did

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<v Speaker 2>all the time wasn't were no longer available to them

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<v Speaker 2>and no longer Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So I wanted to I didn't want to interrupt you, Shaw,

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<v Speaker 1>but I wanted to make sure because when you got

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<v Speaker 1>to the point about Drew Holliday. I think to me

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<v Speaker 1>that is also key because I think last year the

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<v Speaker 1>Boston Celtics. Again, I say this not to say can

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<v Speaker 1>they find their way back if everyone is essentially healthy. Possibly,

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<v Speaker 1>I think the caveat here to your point is Kristaps

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<v Speaker 1>for Zingis. But I'm gonna harken back to this thing

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<v Speaker 1>with Drew Holliday. Okay, I don't know what happened last

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<v Speaker 1>year with this year, but Jew Holliday does did not

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<v Speaker 1>look like and feel like the same player he was

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<v Speaker 1>last year, the same kind of impact player. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the plays that we saw in a series like

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<v Speaker 1>this against the New York Knicks, Jew Holliday would have

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<v Speaker 1>been in the middle of Okay, remember Jew Hollide was

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<v Speaker 1>not coming in here to give you, you know, fifteen points

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<v Speaker 1>per game, whatever, But he was making key plays, making

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<v Speaker 1>key defensive stops. Tell me at what point in this series?

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me at what point even in the Orlando Magic

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<v Speaker 1>series he was ever relevant for the Boston Celtics. And that,

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<v Speaker 1>and again that concerned me because this is not just

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<v Speaker 1>about the playoffs. It's literally been through the whole course

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<v Speaker 1>of the year. Now I know that he's been struggling

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<v Speaker 1>through some injuries. But even when he's come back off

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<v Speaker 1>of those injuries, you can clearly see that he had

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<v Speaker 1>been compromised. He'd missed point blank layups. You know, he'd

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<v Speaker 1>get in early foul trouble. You know. So my thing was,

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<v Speaker 1>to your point, if you're Joe Moszula and I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>giving Missoula a pass, what I'm saying is it would

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<v Speaker 1>have been easy because you could just basically put Drew

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<v Speaker 1>not one hundred percent and his knees are not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>hold up with the kind of shiftiness that you see

419
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<v Speaker 1>in a player like Jalen Brunson. But you cannot tell

420
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<v Speaker 1>me that even Missoula didn't have as much confidence to

421
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<v Speaker 1>be able to let Drew be Drew, because he's never

422
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<v Speaker 1>been that way really through the course of this year,

423
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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. Yeah, And so all of

424
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<v Speaker 1>these things now kind of come together. But to your point,

425
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<v Speaker 1>it's on Missoula to find a counter. He has got

426
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<v Speaker 1>to find a counter. Now. I don't know if it's

427
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<v Speaker 1>deploying another player out there, reaching desperately deep into the

428
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<v Speaker 1>bench if you had to, absolutely possibly. I find it

429
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<v Speaker 1>kind of interesting that Troy Craig is on this roster

430
00:22:19.319 --> 00:22:21.759
<v Speaker 1>and the only time that I see him is when

431
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<v Speaker 1>they're instagramming him wearing you know, numbers in dedication to

432
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<v Speaker 1>Jason Tatum. But at no point was he being utilized

433
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<v Speaker 1>or being deployed to help take some of that pressure

434
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<v Speaker 1>off that the Celtics I think would have utilized and

435
00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:37.680
<v Speaker 1>needed for that body to hold off runs or whatever

436
00:22:37.720 --> 00:22:39.759
<v Speaker 1>the case may be. So to your point, I just

437
00:22:39.799 --> 00:22:43.680
<v Speaker 1>think that there's a lot of it's very discombobulated in

438
00:22:43.720 --> 00:22:45.880
<v Speaker 1>our ability to properly assess the Celtics.

439
00:22:45.880 --> 00:22:45.960
<v Speaker 2>Now.

440
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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if this is what you call organized chaos,

441
00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:49.680
<v Speaker 1>so that at the end of it, if they knew

442
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<v Speaker 1>they weren't gonna win, and this is what you could

443
00:22:51.240 --> 00:22:54.119
<v Speaker 1>throw out of us. But hey, man, I ain't booney

444
00:22:54.160 --> 00:22:56.440
<v Speaker 1>fool fool man, I am not being fooled by this.

445
00:22:57.000 --> 00:23:01.160
<v Speaker 1>I was disappointed by how they took for granted the

446
00:23:01.319 --> 00:23:05.319
<v Speaker 1>level of greatness they could achieve themselves to be because

447
00:23:05.359 --> 00:23:07.319
<v Speaker 1>I think they were misguided on what got them to

448
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<v Speaker 1>where they are, and they failed to stay disciplined in

449
00:23:10.720 --> 00:23:15.000
<v Speaker 1>the things that really shown people why we were saying, hey,

450
00:23:15.039 --> 00:23:18.079
<v Speaker 1>they really could be a great roster altogether because of

451
00:23:18.359 --> 00:23:21.240
<v Speaker 1>how great they could all be flexible and multiple depend

452
00:23:21.359 --> 00:23:23.680
<v Speaker 1>defenders get on multiple guys and things of that nature.

453
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<v Speaker 1>But if it's going to be compromised because guys are

454
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<v Speaker 1>not one hundred percent healthy, if it's going to be

455
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<v Speaker 1>compromised because guys have different motivations or different agendas about

456
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<v Speaker 1>what they're trying to do through the course of the

457
00:23:32.319 --> 00:23:35.599
<v Speaker 1>regular season and not really keep their eye on the prize. Here,

458
00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:39.079
<v Speaker 1>they did themselves a disservice, especially with the way they

459
00:23:39.119 --> 00:23:42.079
<v Speaker 1>got ousted and especially on how they made things more

460
00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:44.480
<v Speaker 1>challenging than it needed to be. And that goes all

461
00:23:44.519 --> 00:23:46.960
<v Speaker 1>the way back even to the Orlando Magic series. That

462
00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:50.480
<v Speaker 1>series became more challenging than it needed to be because

463
00:23:50.759 --> 00:23:53.559
<v Speaker 1>they were just determined to just be who they are

464
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<v Speaker 1>and not make adjustments when necessary.

465
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'll challenge that notion somewhat. In Orlando. I

466
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<v Speaker 2>think Orlando played them in a very physical way that

467
00:24:01.160 --> 00:24:03.160
<v Speaker 2>they're not used to, and that adage that you can

468
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<v Speaker 2>just roof up the Celtics. You know that they were

469
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<v Speaker 2>able to respond and the games were probably closer than

470
00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:10.759
<v Speaker 2>they should have been. But I think in some ways

471
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<v Speaker 2>they did try to adjust a little bit there in

472
00:24:12.920 --> 00:24:15.920
<v Speaker 2>terms of the physicality and overcoming that. Where they didn't

473
00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:20.079
<v Speaker 2>able to respond in the New York series was almost

474
00:24:20.119 --> 00:24:22.039
<v Speaker 2>kind of like the elitist mentality that they kind of

475
00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:24.680
<v Speaker 2>walked into the series with. And then when they got

476
00:24:24.759 --> 00:24:26.799
<v Speaker 2>literally punched in their mouth two times in the row,

477
00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:29.920
<v Speaker 2>we're like, oh no, we're not the mighty Celtics, and

478
00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:32.680
<v Speaker 2>people won't cow down to us because they're down twenty

479
00:24:32.960 --> 00:24:35.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh all right, well what's next? Right? But then they

480
00:24:35.759 --> 00:24:38.400
<v Speaker 2>won Game three kind of playing the same style. A

481
00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:41.200
<v Speaker 2>bunch of threes kind of went in. You know, Tatum Brown, awesome,

482
00:24:41.240 --> 00:24:43.519
<v Speaker 2>they do their thing, But the entirety of this time

483
00:24:43.559 --> 00:24:46.759
<v Speaker 2>they've been compromised. And I believe what they say in

484
00:24:46.839 --> 00:24:49.160
<v Speaker 2>terms of the locker room chemistry that there's not like

485
00:24:49.400 --> 00:24:51.839
<v Speaker 2>agendas and egos that have clearly been a part of

486
00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:55.880
<v Speaker 2>previous Celtics locker rooms. This comes down to heart, a

487
00:24:55.880 --> 00:24:58.960
<v Speaker 2>better next team at a better next team in general,

488
00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:01.720
<v Speaker 2>and then schemes. We do need to transition now to

489
00:25:01.839 --> 00:25:05.000
<v Speaker 2>what's next as opposed to what was here for Boston.

490
00:25:05.079 --> 00:25:08.839
<v Speaker 2>So you're looking at this payroll, which is immensely inflated.

491
00:25:09.519 --> 00:25:12.640
<v Speaker 2>Hartford is a free agent, Lou Cornett is a free agent.

492
00:25:13.079 --> 00:25:16.240
<v Speaker 2>You're kicking in the contract now, even of Sam Hauser,

493
00:25:16.359 --> 00:25:19.519
<v Speaker 2>which you know he was injured and compromised in the

494
00:25:19.599 --> 00:25:22.400
<v Speaker 2>latter part of the season, and these playoffs as well too.

495
00:25:23.319 --> 00:25:27.400
<v Speaker 2>Then you have this cascading payroll and luxury tax that's

496
00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:31.680
<v Speaker 2>coming aboard with new ownership, you know, into lurking. I

497
00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:34.680
<v Speaker 2>just think we're at the stage where Boston with Tatum

498
00:25:34.720 --> 00:25:36.799
<v Speaker 2>being out what will probably be a nine or ten

499
00:25:36.799 --> 00:25:39.240
<v Speaker 2>month injury, so in a good part of all of

500
00:25:39.720 --> 00:25:42.440
<v Speaker 2>most of them, not all of next year, the twenty

501
00:25:42.440 --> 00:25:46.119
<v Speaker 2>five to twenty six season from a championships perspective, seems

502
00:25:46.160 --> 00:25:49.359
<v Speaker 2>to be I don always say lost, but there's a

503
00:25:49.519 --> 00:25:51.640
<v Speaker 2>there's not a high likelihood that would be the case.

504
00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:54.240
<v Speaker 2>And then do you wait now for Tatum to come

505
00:25:54.279 --> 00:25:56.920
<v Speaker 2>back the following year and feel like we can we

506
00:25:56.960 --> 00:26:00.720
<v Speaker 2>can keep Holiday, we can keep Porzingis, can keep why?

507
00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:03.359
<v Speaker 2>I'll give you my my my short answer to that.

508
00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:05.440
<v Speaker 2>The answer to that is no. I think what ends

509
00:26:05.480 --> 00:26:08.920
<v Speaker 2>up happening is Porzingis and and Drew Holliday get moved

510
00:26:09.799 --> 00:26:12.559
<v Speaker 2>in some semblance of packages to maybe get back some

511
00:26:12.680 --> 00:26:15.240
<v Speaker 2>draft capital. I don't think they're not gonna tank. They're

512
00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:17.279
<v Speaker 2>still too good to tank. But I think if you're

513
00:26:17.319 --> 00:26:20.559
<v Speaker 2>looking for for to save payroll, Holiday and and and

514
00:26:20.640 --> 00:26:23.839
<v Speaker 2>Porzingis are the pieces in essence that goes maybe out

515
00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:27.960
<v Speaker 2>comes back a super super team friendly deal. Maybe he doesn't.

516
00:26:28.119 --> 00:26:30.039
<v Speaker 2>You know, if you're looking at his his body language

517
00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:31.559
<v Speaker 2>on the bench at the end of the game six,

518
00:26:31.720 --> 00:26:34.400
<v Speaker 2>it looked like he was soaking in like all right, yeah, mofos,

519
00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:36.839
<v Speaker 2>like he's gonna remember this and he's gonna want revenge.

520
00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:38.920
<v Speaker 2>I think in some pace, But why what number do

521
00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:41.079
<v Speaker 2>you bring him back? And then I think it's a

522
00:26:41.119 --> 00:26:45.200
<v Speaker 2>matter of do you keep you know, Xavier Tillman and

523
00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:47.000
<v Speaker 2>guys like that. I mean, all these are like supplemental

524
00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:49.920
<v Speaker 2>pieces that are just kind of like not really doing

525
00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:53.480
<v Speaker 2>much for you. But to me, you're building around Brown,

526
00:26:53.680 --> 00:26:55.680
<v Speaker 2>You're building around Derek White. I think he's still too

527
00:26:55.720 --> 00:26:57.279
<v Speaker 2>good that you're trying that you're not trying to move

528
00:26:57.319 --> 00:26:59.319
<v Speaker 2>on from him. And then obviously wait for Tatum to

529
00:26:59.359 --> 00:27:01.839
<v Speaker 2>come back, and in twenty six twenty seven, you have

530
00:27:02.079 --> 00:27:04.240
<v Speaker 2>the bones of a really, really good team that can

531
00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:07.160
<v Speaker 2>still be championship level with some supplemental pieces behind.

532
00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:09.759
<v Speaker 1>It, So you don't think that there's any any likelihood

533
00:27:10.519 --> 00:27:13.400
<v Speaker 1>that they can move pieces in order to get some

534
00:27:13.519 --> 00:27:18.480
<v Speaker 1>of the pliable, you know, free agents that are out there.

535
00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:21.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm just I'm just wondering if whether or not, like, hey,

536
00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:25.079
<v Speaker 1>there's that window of opportunity maybe to see if they

537
00:27:25.119 --> 00:27:28.160
<v Speaker 1>can pull a Kevin Durant. Right, you may still have

538
00:27:28.160 --> 00:27:30.119
<v Speaker 1>a one two year window and you don't have to

539
00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:33.480
<v Speaker 1>be as much in a rush, so to speak, to

540
00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:36.440
<v Speaker 1>bring back Jason Tatum could possibly pair well with the

541
00:27:36.559 --> 00:27:42.119
<v Speaker 1>Jalen Brown, Right. I somewhat agree with you. I'm a

542
00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:44.759
<v Speaker 1>little I'm a litter Larry about the the Derek White thing.

543
00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:47.519
<v Speaker 1>I guess in my sense, I think Derek White is

544
00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:49.559
<v Speaker 1>a great player, and I still think there clearly can

545
00:27:49.599 --> 00:27:51.920
<v Speaker 1>be a window if you're intended to say he is

546
00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:54.119
<v Speaker 1>the trifecta. I think that, to me is the big question.

547
00:27:54.200 --> 00:27:56.519
<v Speaker 1>What is the trifecta for the for the for the

548
00:27:56.559 --> 00:28:02.480
<v Speaker 1>Boston Celtics. And if that trifecta, it does it entail

549
00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:04.599
<v Speaker 1>keeping a Derek White or is it a tail going

550
00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:07.279
<v Speaker 1>to get someone? And Derek White now becomes like that

551
00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:10.279
<v Speaker 1>fourth person because he's been such a good lead guard

552
00:28:10.359 --> 00:28:12.680
<v Speaker 1>for them in things of that nature that you can

553
00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:14.920
<v Speaker 1>make it expendable. I just think it's gonna be an

554
00:28:14.960 --> 00:28:18.880
<v Speaker 1>interesting situation for the Boston Celtics in the off season

555
00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:22.920
<v Speaker 1>because I cannot imagine that they want to I don't

556
00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:25.839
<v Speaker 1>think they want to rush Jason Tatum back, But at

557
00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:27.319
<v Speaker 1>the same time, I don't think they want to be

558
00:28:27.400 --> 00:28:30.200
<v Speaker 1>in a position where they lose out on a quality season,

559
00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:33.000
<v Speaker 1>especially with the money that you just gave Jalen Brown.

560
00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:36.039
<v Speaker 1>I will say this though, I'm a little surprised that

561
00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:38.880
<v Speaker 1>the level of aggressiveness that Jalen Brown I thought would

562
00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:41.480
<v Speaker 1>have exhibited given the circumstances of what happened in the

563
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:47.039
<v Speaker 1>offseason with the US men's basketball, the Olympic basketball situation.

564
00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:49.359
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I didn't want to say much of

565
00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:51.920
<v Speaker 1>anything because I think, you know, you make too much

566
00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:54.480
<v Speaker 1>of it if it's all about Jason Tatum, and you

567
00:28:54.519 --> 00:28:57.559
<v Speaker 1>know what he did this year, which has been phenomenally great.

568
00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:00.119
<v Speaker 1>But I saw the edge come off of Jalen Brown.

569
00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:03.799
<v Speaker 1>I saw more of a quiet, very you know, subdued,

570
00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:07.400
<v Speaker 1>not as aggressive Jalen Brown that I saw going into

571
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:10.079
<v Speaker 1>the playoffs last year when they fully had their eye

572
00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:12.839
<v Speaker 1>on the prize about winning this championship, and I just

573
00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:14.640
<v Speaker 1>think it'll be interesting to see what kind of off

574
00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:19.319
<v Speaker 1>season Jalen Brown decides to take. I wanted to pull

575
00:29:19.359 --> 00:29:21.519
<v Speaker 1>out one of the he said, Yeah, losing to the

576
00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:25.400
<v Speaker 1>Knicks is like losing is like death. I'm like, all right, well,

577
00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:28.039
<v Speaker 1>if you feel that kind of way, right, then you

578
00:29:28.119 --> 00:29:30.480
<v Speaker 1>know that the Celtics and the Knicks don't love each other.

579
00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:34.680
<v Speaker 1>So going into this off season, is the motivation about

580
00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:37.440
<v Speaker 1>the revenge? You know what I'm saying factor that you

581
00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:40.039
<v Speaker 1>lost to the New York Knicks because last year that

582
00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:43.839
<v Speaker 1>wasn't really an issue. The New York Knicks wasn't even relevant, right,

583
00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:46.759
<v Speaker 1>So my thing is, Okay, what's the motivation going into

584
00:29:46.759 --> 00:29:49.880
<v Speaker 1>this offseason? Because listen, one can argue the Celtics can

585
00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:53.000
<v Speaker 1>easily be another top three team in the Eastern Conference again,

586
00:29:53.559 --> 00:29:55.839
<v Speaker 1>and whether the Knicks are gonna truly be that team

587
00:29:55.880 --> 00:29:58.400
<v Speaker 1>as well too. I'm just saying that to me. I

588
00:29:58.519 --> 00:30:01.519
<v Speaker 1>just want to see a much more aggressive Jalen Brown

589
00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:04.680
<v Speaker 1>in the off season, putting in that work. And regardless,

590
00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:07.680
<v Speaker 1>this is the window now for you to really say,

591
00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:11.960
<v Speaker 1>even when Jason Tatum comes back, I'm like, that guy

592
00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:15.319
<v Speaker 1>all around guy that I'm the big dog in the

593
00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:17.480
<v Speaker 1>yard that like does look what does that mean?

594
00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:20.680
<v Speaker 2>I think I think like we all need to define

595
00:30:20.720 --> 00:30:23.599
<v Speaker 2>that to some degree. And I liked how the way

596
00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:25.680
<v Speaker 2>he played in Game five, where he was more of

597
00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:28.000
<v Speaker 2>a point forward. He didn't feel like I needed this

598
00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:30.599
<v Speaker 2>hore forty, you know, like, hey, I can get and

599
00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:33.440
<v Speaker 2>be official with my shots. I can drive and kick,

600
00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:35.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, and make the extra pass. Like you could

601
00:30:35.799 --> 00:30:38.680
<v Speaker 2>literally see his brain working in real time in that game, like, no,

602
00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:41.319
<v Speaker 2>this isn't the best shot. Let me take one drouble in,

603
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:43.759
<v Speaker 2>draw the defense and then spray back out and then

604
00:30:43.759 --> 00:30:45.839
<v Speaker 2>when those shots are falling from the perimeter are awesome.

605
00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:48.519
<v Speaker 2>I think if that semblance to Brown is who we

606
00:30:48.559 --> 00:30:50.960
<v Speaker 2>get awesome. I'm gonna this is not gonna make sense,

607
00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:54.000
<v Speaker 2>but I'm gonna say it anyway. Remember in the days

608
00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:56.160
<v Speaker 2>of Stephan clay and everyone was like clay can be

609
00:30:56.160 --> 00:30:58.359
<v Speaker 2>a number one guy. Clayton and Jaylen Brown are not

610
00:30:58.400 --> 00:31:01.680
<v Speaker 2>the same, Like they're they're fundamentally different people. But the

611
00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:04.680
<v Speaker 2>roles and this is where I'm utilized in the comparison

612
00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:07.319
<v Speaker 2>we will now get to see in a very real way,

613
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:10.480
<v Speaker 2>could Jalen Brown be a lead guy, and that lead

614
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:13.359
<v Speaker 2>doesn't necessarily mean he has to score forty even thirty

615
00:31:13.359 --> 00:31:15.359
<v Speaker 2>five a night. Can it be in a way where

616
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:17.960
<v Speaker 2>he's sufficient and ends up really getting the other guys involved.

617
00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:20.559
<v Speaker 2>And it has to come at the expense of him

618
00:31:20.599 --> 00:31:24.480
<v Speaker 2>learning how to dribble better. We're X amount of years

619
00:31:24.519 --> 00:31:27.759
<v Speaker 2>into where his handle looks shaky, especially under duress in

620
00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:29.960
<v Speaker 2>the middle of the paint. Yes, you'll have a couple

621
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:32.279
<v Speaker 2>of nights and moves has a decent euro step as well,

622
00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:34.920
<v Speaker 2>but that handle has got to be better, especially going

623
00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:37.880
<v Speaker 2>into next year. And I would contend that if you

624
00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:41.000
<v Speaker 2>bring this team back as currently constructed, don't make any moves,

625
00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:43.640
<v Speaker 2>they can still be a top top four to five

626
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<v Speaker 2>team in the Eastern Conference, especially with the way the

627
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<v Speaker 2>Eastern trending right now. I believe that not one or two,

628
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<v Speaker 2>but they can definitely be four. File about the play

629
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<v Speaker 2>in line, if you strip it down some now, I'd

630
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<v Speaker 2>be like, all right, this is a team that's probably

631
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<v Speaker 2>going to be fighting for the play in six maybe

632
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<v Speaker 2>seven type of situation if you move person and holiday

633
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<v Speaker 2>depending on what you get back. But Jalen Brown's next

634
00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:07.799
<v Speaker 2>year is going to determine truly the long term future

635
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<v Speaker 2>of this Boston cell sixteen, whether or not he should

636
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<v Speaker 2>be pair alongside Jason Tatum when he comes back, because

637
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<v Speaker 2>at this number, and I know we don't like to

638
00:32:14.519 --> 00:32:16.240
<v Speaker 2>talk about it him in that way, but at this number,

639
00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:18.559
<v Speaker 2>you've got to be able to show the chops of

640
00:32:18.640 --> 00:32:21.960
<v Speaker 2>being a true leader who can do things that doesn't

641
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:23.599
<v Speaker 2>always just mean scoring a bunch of flour.

642
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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, you're tuned to the baseline Cali Warrenshaw discussing the

643
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<v Speaker 1>hot button topics of the NBA. Coming up, we'll focus

644
00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:31.880
<v Speaker 1>our attention to the team who probably should have been

645
00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:35.359
<v Speaker 1>in the Eastern Conference Finals, but yet again they fall short.

646
00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:37.599
<v Speaker 1>We'll be talking about the Cleveland Cavaliers on the other side.

647
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:51.720
<v Speaker 1>Don't go anywhere. We're back, Cali Warrenshaw, basedline NBA podcast,

648
00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:55.000
<v Speaker 1>continuing our coveted autopsy report. Time for us to talk

649
00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:59.640
<v Speaker 1>about the Cleveland Cavaliers. And there's not much that can

650
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<v Speaker 1>be said. Man, this is like now, this is becoming

651
00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:06.440
<v Speaker 1>a trend, and it's kind of disheartening because I so

652
00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:09.799
<v Speaker 1>much want to believe in the fact that Spider Mitchell

653
00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:17.039
<v Speaker 1>and the Cleveland Cavaliers, you know, they have they have

654
00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:20.880
<v Speaker 1>essentially mostly not all the pieces to get you at

655
00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:24.279
<v Speaker 1>least to the finals. Okay, there's no question about that.

656
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<v Speaker 1>And this season, I mean across the board, what can

657
00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:28.880
<v Speaker 1>what more can be said? The only thing that's missing is,

658
00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:33.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, them having somebody legitimately being an MVP candidate.

659
00:33:33.559 --> 00:33:37.240
<v Speaker 1>But you know, you can make the argument Spider Mitchell

660
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:40.400
<v Speaker 1>literally was, you know, playing at an MVP like kind

661
00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:42.839
<v Speaker 1>of level with how he was able to galvanize and

662
00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:47.240
<v Speaker 1>make this team essentially better, elevate them to another space collectively,

663
00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:49.000
<v Speaker 1>as his team was about as dangerous as you could

664
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<v Speaker 1>possibly have, a team like we were talking about the

665
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:55.440
<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma City Thunder, you know, so to get knocked out

666
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<v Speaker 1>by the Indiana Pacers, and I think to your point,

667
00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:01.640
<v Speaker 1>shall we just talked about this with the Celtics. I

668
00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:04.759
<v Speaker 1>just feel like this team took for granted what they

669
00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:07.880
<v Speaker 1>showed through the course of the regular season and just

670
00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:11.719
<v Speaker 1>did not make the necessary adjustments to show the versatility

671
00:34:11.719 --> 00:34:13.920
<v Speaker 1>of what the top team in the Eastern Conference should

672
00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:17.039
<v Speaker 1>be doing against the lesser teams that they managed to

673
00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:19.519
<v Speaker 1>just beat the breaks off through the course of the

674
00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:23.239
<v Speaker 1>regular season, and you don't have the luxury of waiting

675
00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:26.280
<v Speaker 1>two weeks from now to figure it out, man, or

676
00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:30.440
<v Speaker 1>you know your next matchup is two months from now.

677
00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:34.480
<v Speaker 1>It is a seven game series and you only have

678
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:38.960
<v Speaker 1>four chances to get it right and you squander two

679
00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:43.159
<v Speaker 1>of those chances on your home court. Really resonates with

680
00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:45.559
<v Speaker 1>me because it's just speaking to the fact that they're

681
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:47.559
<v Speaker 1>just not getting it now. I said all of that

682
00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:50.199
<v Speaker 1>because it sounds really harsh, But now I want to

683
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:51.920
<v Speaker 1>liken this to what we were just talking about with

684
00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:55.079
<v Speaker 1>Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown. How long did it take

685
00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:59.360
<v Speaker 1>before we started seeing them really starting to figure it out.

686
00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:01.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, everyone one's gonna say, yeah, it literally took

687
00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:03.920
<v Speaker 1>Lebron James to leave the damn Eastern Conference for them

688
00:35:03.920 --> 00:35:06.880
<v Speaker 1>to actually figure this part of it out. But look

689
00:35:06.920 --> 00:35:10.320
<v Speaker 1>how long it literally took them before they actually began

690
00:35:10.400 --> 00:35:13.719
<v Speaker 1>to see quote unquote the fields of graneur right to

691
00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:16.679
<v Speaker 1>get to the NBA finals, Because the question for them

692
00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:18.400
<v Speaker 1>wasn't how good they were to get to the Eastern

693
00:35:18.440 --> 00:35:20.320
<v Speaker 1>Conference finals? Can they get over the hunt to get

694
00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:22.559
<v Speaker 1>to the finals and look how many Look look how

695
00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:26.400
<v Speaker 1>long it took to do that? Right? Are we thinking

696
00:35:26.440 --> 00:35:27.840
<v Speaker 1>that this is gonna be the same thing with this

697
00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Cleveland Cavaliers team.

698
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<v Speaker 2>Listen, I didn't even say the number in the previous segment. So,

699
00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:36.480
<v Speaker 2>but Boston has a two hundred and twenty seven million

700
00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:38.840
<v Speaker 2>dollars pay roll next year, right, and that was without

701
00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:42.440
<v Speaker 2>without Hornet, Cornette and Harford on it. Cleveland's pay roll

702
00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:45.159
<v Speaker 2>is two hundred and seventeen million dollars next year. So

703
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:48.480
<v Speaker 2>Mobley's extension kind of kicks in here. Now you're already

704
00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:51.199
<v Speaker 2>paying Garland and then obviously he had just resigned out

705
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:56.039
<v Speaker 2>individuals well too. I'm concerned, you know that this is

706
00:35:56.960 --> 00:35:59.800
<v Speaker 2>finals which he has opening knowledge and doesn't duck at

707
00:35:59.880 --> 00:36:01.920
<v Speaker 2>the or shy away from it in any real way.

708
00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:06.559
<v Speaker 2>The Calves lost three games on their home floor in

709
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:11.400
<v Speaker 2>the second round, like that is egregious, Like like it's

710
00:36:11.239 --> 00:36:14.639
<v Speaker 2>it's egregious. And when you work that hard get that

711
00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:18.199
<v Speaker 2>many that amount of wins, And yes, they have a

712
00:36:18.320 --> 00:36:22.960
<v Speaker 2>similar situation to Boston. Garland was battling turf toe. You know,

713
00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:26.840
<v Speaker 2>Mitchell had the ankle injury, Mobile had you know, a

714
00:36:26.920 --> 00:36:30.599
<v Speaker 2>nagging injury as well too. I just feel like they

715
00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:32.960
<v Speaker 2>still should have had enough I think with that to

716
00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:37.119
<v Speaker 2>beat India. Truly gut checked time in terms of this organization.

717
00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:41.679
<v Speaker 2>They sacrificed. They they looked like Boston of last year,

718
00:36:41.840 --> 00:36:44.440
<v Speaker 2>where roles were being understood, this is what we need

719
00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:46.719
<v Speaker 2>to do. They increased the volume of three. Donovan Mitchell

720
00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:48.599
<v Speaker 2>took a step back. I don't need to score thirty

721
00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:51.159
<v Speaker 2>a nine or whatever his minutes were down. Everything is

722
00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:53.760
<v Speaker 2>mobile that we've been wanting to see, all the things happen.

723
00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:57.960
<v Speaker 2>They just destroyed the mind heat in the first round,

724
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:00.280
<v Speaker 2>and I think maybe that gave them a level little

725
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:02.519
<v Speaker 2>air of confidence, like, all right, we'll be good, but

726
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:06.920
<v Speaker 2>well we'll let him rest. Yikes, bro Yikes. None of

727
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:09.320
<v Speaker 2>these things went the way that they thought it was,

728
00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:11.639
<v Speaker 2>and why I don't think they are going to be

729
00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:14.280
<v Speaker 2>They're not going to fall into the doldrums of the

730
00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:16.239
<v Speaker 2>Eastern Conference because the East is still the very East.

731
00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:18.880
<v Speaker 2>They'll have a very very good regular season record again

732
00:37:18.920 --> 00:37:20.239
<v Speaker 2>next year. And I don't think they're going to make

733
00:37:20.239 --> 00:37:23.199
<v Speaker 2>any fundamental changes a full year of the andred hundred

734
00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:26.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, into the into their scheme. And I don't

735
00:37:26.519 --> 00:37:28.880
<v Speaker 2>have any real constructive feedback for them in terms of

736
00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:32.159
<v Speaker 2>roster construction right now other than this is about heart

737
00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:35.079
<v Speaker 2>and determination at this point, and that's what they're going

738
00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:37.400
<v Speaker 2>to need to do is guts that time next year,

739
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:39.719
<v Speaker 2>and hope, as I said in the last couple couple

740
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:40.920
<v Speaker 2>of weeks ago, I hope it's not the same back to

741
00:37:41.199 --> 00:37:43.159
<v Speaker 2>match channel for them because they're better than what they

742
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:44.559
<v Speaker 2>showed in this year's playoffs.

743
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:47.760
<v Speaker 1>Listen, seaw like, all of this is relevant, right, I

744
00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:50.480
<v Speaker 1>think all of it is relevant. That it's hard for

745
00:37:50.599 --> 00:37:54.440
<v Speaker 1>you not to want this roster as it's constructed for

746
00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:56.199
<v Speaker 1>them to run it back. I think they do need

747
00:37:56.239 --> 00:38:01.199
<v Speaker 1>to run it back. But I I'm very leary of

748
00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:05.679
<v Speaker 1>the stigma that tends to kind of hang over a

749
00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:10.360
<v Speaker 1>team like this, that is this this successful okay, partly

750
00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:15.320
<v Speaker 1>because I don't they're not used to this level of prosperity,

751
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:19.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, not since Lebron, not since you know, and

752
00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:21.239
<v Speaker 1>and the last time that they did that. That's where

753
00:38:21.239 --> 00:38:23.960
<v Speaker 1>most of these teams tend to go. They go backwards

754
00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:26.280
<v Speaker 1>and say, you know, man, we'll never see it like

755
00:38:26.320 --> 00:38:29.239
<v Speaker 1>them days when we had Lebron and Kyrie and Kevin

756
00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:31.639
<v Speaker 1>Love or you know, back in the Chicago days when

757
00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:35.440
<v Speaker 1>we had Derrick Rose and you know, Jokeim Noah and loud, Like,

758
00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:37.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't want that to be the case because you

759
00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:41.039
<v Speaker 1>have to appreciate the circumstances of how this team was

760
00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:45.000
<v Speaker 1>constructed and how this team built. Remember the Cleveland Cavaliers

761
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:47.559
<v Speaker 1>in the thick of the Night stole Donovan Mitchell from

762
00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:50.559
<v Speaker 1>going to the New York Knicks, right, you know what

763
00:38:50.599 --> 00:38:54.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, Like, I don't think Donovan Mitchell even understands

764
00:38:55.039 --> 00:38:59.679
<v Speaker 1>like the ramifications of how he changed the quote unquote

765
00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:03.199
<v Speaker 1>narrati of what Cleveland Cavaliers basketball is like or going

766
00:39:03.239 --> 00:39:06.119
<v Speaker 1>to be like post the Lebron era, You know what

767
00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:10.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying. And so I think fans have to be

768
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:13.239
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more patient. But I also think as

769
00:39:13.239 --> 00:39:16.920
<v Speaker 1>well too that this is now going to be up

770
00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:18.920
<v Speaker 1>to Kenny Atkinson because I think this is a new

771
00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:22.320
<v Speaker 1>space for him. Remember he's usually the person to go

772
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:25.760
<v Speaker 1>in there and fix and elevate things. He comes in

773
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:30.199
<v Speaker 1>there and immediately takes this team that is quote unquote

774
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:34.519
<v Speaker 1>you know, a respectable playoff team into oh snap, these

775
00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:37.199
<v Speaker 1>guys should be one of the Eastern Conference finalists. So

776
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:40.360
<v Speaker 1>to fall short of a yes, very disappointing. But he's

777
00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:42.639
<v Speaker 1>got some leeway because I don't think that we've seen

778
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:46.599
<v Speaker 1>Kenny Atkinson in this space. He's usually at the beginning

779
00:39:46.639 --> 00:39:50.199
<v Speaker 1>stages of things, before organizations, you know, get all up

780
00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:52.079
<v Speaker 1>in their feels and try to get slick, and then

781
00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:54.559
<v Speaker 1>they move them all and move on from him. I

782
00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:56.000
<v Speaker 1>want to see what he does with this. I want

783
00:39:56.039 --> 00:39:59.360
<v Speaker 1>to see how he takes what happened here and uses

784
00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:01.960
<v Speaker 1>this Like we see what Mark Dagnault was doing with

785
00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:04.760
<v Speaker 1>the Oklahoma City Thunder. You know, he could have easily

786
00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:08.480
<v Speaker 1>taken what's going on last year. And you know where

787
00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:11.199
<v Speaker 1>everyone's saying that they are one trick pony team or

788
00:40:11.239 --> 00:40:15.159
<v Speaker 1>their you know, their paper number one contenders. I think

789
00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:17.119
<v Speaker 1>people may have that same kind of sentiment, but I

790
00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:19.360
<v Speaker 1>think it's a little bit more believable when you see

791
00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:22.360
<v Speaker 1>the elevation now of Evan Mobley, when you see the

792
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:25.320
<v Speaker 1>elevation of Jared Allen, and you now see that they're

793
00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:27.679
<v Speaker 1>making moves like getting at DeAndre Andre. I think things

794
00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:29.239
<v Speaker 1>are still in pace. I think people need to be

795
00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:31.639
<v Speaker 1>just a little patient. I know it's hard given in

796
00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:33.079
<v Speaker 1>this climate in the NBA, but the people have to

797
00:40:33.079 --> 00:40:35.760
<v Speaker 1>be a little bit patient. Where I am concerned, ough

798
00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:39.440
<v Speaker 1>Shaw is now we get to this point with certain players,

799
00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:41.719
<v Speaker 1>and I said this at the beginning of the year

800
00:40:41.719 --> 00:40:44.079
<v Speaker 1>that I wondered about the combination of Donovan Mitchell and

801
00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:48.320
<v Speaker 1>Darius Garland. Okay, I need to see another level from

802
00:40:48.400 --> 00:40:52.320
<v Speaker 1>Darius Garland. Okay, he is very much a part of

803
00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:55.360
<v Speaker 1>why this team is successful. He was also very much

804
00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:58.039
<v Speaker 1>a part of the reason why the Cleveland Cavaliers could

805
00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:01.920
<v Speaker 1>not get past the Indiana Pacers. And the Indiana Pacers

806
00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:06.280
<v Speaker 1>knew that. Indiana Pacers knew that. You know. And so

807
00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:10.079
<v Speaker 1>you're Darius Garland. You got to go into this offseason man,

808
00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:13.000
<v Speaker 1>and you have got to give people. You got to

809
00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:15.360
<v Speaker 1>put him on notice. Last year we saw that with

810
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Derek White and how he improved in so many different ways.

811
00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:21.320
<v Speaker 1>And then you add Drew Holliday and his veteran leadership

812
00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:25.199
<v Speaker 1>and him his counseling allowed Derek White to essentially be

813
00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:29.400
<v Speaker 1>the number one guard that the Celtics needed, Right, And

814
00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:32.079
<v Speaker 1>so I need to see that kind of evolution from

815
00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:38.519
<v Speaker 1>Darius Garland, right if that happens, because I still see

816
00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:42.440
<v Speaker 1>that lack of aggressiveness, that lack of of I still

817
00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:45.280
<v Speaker 1>feel like things still have to go through Donovan Mitchell.

818
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:49.159
<v Speaker 1>I would rather see Donovan Mitchell Shaw to be the

819
00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:53.519
<v Speaker 1>the the the Swiss Army knife guard. He can come in,

820
00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:55.199
<v Speaker 1>he can do the point guard thing, but I still

821
00:41:55.239 --> 00:41:57.719
<v Speaker 1>feel like he still has to take over. And I

822
00:41:57.800 --> 00:41:59.960
<v Speaker 1>think that if your daily Darius Garland with that kind

823
00:41:59.960 --> 00:42:02.880
<v Speaker 1>of speed, with the ability for you to break defenses down,

824
00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:06.039
<v Speaker 1>you have to be more aggressive. You have to you

825
00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:07.719
<v Speaker 1>have to rely on the fact that you are going

826
00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:09.480
<v Speaker 1>to set the rest of your guys up. And I

827
00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:12.360
<v Speaker 1>understand he had turf toe, but I did not nearly

828
00:42:12.360 --> 00:42:14.519
<v Speaker 1>see Even with the turf toe show, I still didn't

829
00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:17.320
<v Speaker 1>even see the level of aggressiveness I would have expected

830
00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:21.239
<v Speaker 1>to see. And the Pacers knew that. And so I'm

831
00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:23.599
<v Speaker 1>just saying, when you're playing against your rivals, when you're

832
00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:26.280
<v Speaker 1>playing you know, the regular season is a great opportunity

833
00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:27.800
<v Speaker 1>for you to get a little bit of shine on

834
00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:30.559
<v Speaker 1>and carry that going into the playoffs, because there's going

835
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:32.480
<v Speaker 1>to be a good coach who's going to find a

836
00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:37.239
<v Speaker 1>way to counter your Your number one Plan A. Garland

837
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:41.519
<v Speaker 1>has to be Plan one AA in a sense, if

838
00:42:41.559 --> 00:42:44.159
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna all, you know, collectively, be that team that

839
00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:46.400
<v Speaker 1>I think we're thinking that they're capable of being.

840
00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:48.320
<v Speaker 2>He's the next guy, in other words, is what I'm

841
00:42:48.360 --> 00:42:52.079
<v Speaker 2>saying I would disagree, I think with the offensive notion.

842
00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:55.159
<v Speaker 2>To be honest with you, I think for Cleveland to

843
00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:58.079
<v Speaker 2>take that next step that you're thinking about, I think

844
00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:02.519
<v Speaker 2>it's incumbent upon Garland and Donovan Mitchell both to kind

845
00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:04.920
<v Speaker 2>of lean in more into that defensive side, you know,

846
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:08.559
<v Speaker 2>as the aforementioned Celtics were. I think Udoka really made

847
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:11.360
<v Speaker 2>Round and Tatum understand that you need to play on

848
00:43:11.400 --> 00:43:13.840
<v Speaker 2>both sides of the basketball and not worry about taking turns.

849
00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:16.480
<v Speaker 2>So we got the offensive side kind of figured out

850
00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:19.679
<v Speaker 2>this year on Cleveland because of Kenny Atkinson's team schemes

851
00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:22.920
<v Speaker 2>and you know that delineation and democracy that came through

852
00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:25.920
<v Speaker 2>the Cleveland offense and the evolution of Evan Mobley. But

853
00:43:26.119 --> 00:43:28.679
<v Speaker 2>where teams felt like we could so look our tops

854
00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:31.159
<v Speaker 2>a little bit is in that backcourt pairing on the

855
00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:33.039
<v Speaker 2>other side, Well, Garland and Mitchell are going to give

856
00:43:33.079 --> 00:43:34.800
<v Speaker 2>it to you there might give up just as much

857
00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:37.760
<v Speaker 2>because they're just not as prolific defensively. And that's where

858
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:40.639
<v Speaker 2>I think that both of them, collectively as a backcourt tandem,

859
00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:44.360
<v Speaker 2>need to focus on what does it mean to stay

860
00:43:44.360 --> 00:43:46.719
<v Speaker 2>in front of guys or truly steer into the help

861
00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:48.719
<v Speaker 2>of those twoin towers when you have Mobley an Allen

862
00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:51.159
<v Speaker 2>back there, and so you're not always necessarily getting beat

863
00:43:51.159 --> 00:43:52.840
<v Speaker 2>off the dribble and have it to have all that

864
00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:55.440
<v Speaker 2>defense kind of help or then be available for drop

865
00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:57.239
<v Speaker 2>offs in the dunker's font and things of that nature.

866
00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:00.000
<v Speaker 2>So that's where, you know, where you talk about aggressiveness,

867
00:43:59.840 --> 00:44:02.920
<v Speaker 2>that often comes at the offensive side of things. And

868
00:44:03.239 --> 00:44:06.079
<v Speaker 2>I don't have a problem what Garland did offensively really,

869
00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:08.760
<v Speaker 2>even with the turf to so to speak. It's just

870
00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:10.840
<v Speaker 2>that that defensive side for them is kind of a

871
00:44:11.239 --> 00:44:13.840
<v Speaker 2>glaring liability. And hence when I got the one hundred

872
00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:16.000
<v Speaker 2>hunter as well too, to try to help shore some

873
00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:17.840
<v Speaker 2>of those things up, because right now at this point,

874
00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:21.079
<v Speaker 2>Isaaca Korro's is pretty much unplayable. Ti Jerome when he

875
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:24.280
<v Speaker 2>is playable, isn't doing anything defensively. So that's where they

876
00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:26.880
<v Speaker 2>still have some holes, even though they still in defensive

877
00:44:26.920 --> 00:44:27.880
<v Speaker 2>rating as a team this year.

878
00:44:27.920 --> 00:44:30.639
<v Speaker 1>Okay, because I was gonna say, like, you know, not

879
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:34.320
<v Speaker 1>to to you know, be hypocritical or nothing like that,

880
00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:37.639
<v Speaker 1>or make it seem that it's hypocritical. We're leaning into

881
00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:39.679
<v Speaker 1>the fact that they were a top team, top ten

882
00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:44.800
<v Speaker 1>team defensively, right, but you still saw flaws defensively in

883
00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:50.480
<v Speaker 1>them them specifically. Okay, yeah, so, and look, I'm not

884
00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:52.239
<v Speaker 1>gonna argue with that particular point. I think it is

885
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:54.960
<v Speaker 1>a legitimate point. I think where I'm just making more

886
00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:57.920
<v Speaker 1>of the emphasis is not from again a scoring perspective.

887
00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:01.679
<v Speaker 1>I think it's the ability to break defense down. I

888
00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:03.719
<v Speaker 1>think maybe I just saw more of him relying too

889
00:45:03.800 --> 00:45:07.159
<v Speaker 1>much on a shot or taking shots so to speak,

890
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:10.679
<v Speaker 1>rather than breaking defenses down, getting in in the middle

891
00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:13.000
<v Speaker 1>and mixing up things. I felt like it seemed like

892
00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:16.000
<v Speaker 1>they were waiting more for that to happen through Donovan

893
00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:20.639
<v Speaker 1>Mitchell than it was from Darius Garland. And I well,

894
00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:23.639
<v Speaker 1>to your point, I will say Darius Garland got into

895
00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:26.639
<v Speaker 1>some silly fouls, you know, got into easy foul trouble,

896
00:45:26.719 --> 00:45:30.920
<v Speaker 1>really made himself unavailable. But to me, I think he

897
00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:34.199
<v Speaker 1>is best equipped to really elevate the plays of guys

898
00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:38.039
<v Speaker 1>like Mobley and Allen and even DeAndre Hunter with their length.

899
00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:40.519
<v Speaker 1>But if he can get into the interior, get into

900
00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:43.679
<v Speaker 1>the paint more, he can set those guys up to

901
00:45:43.840 --> 00:45:46.880
<v Speaker 1>do what the offense allows it to do. Because if

902
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:49.360
<v Speaker 1>you're only gonna allow Donovan Mitchell to do that. Now

903
00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:52.119
<v Speaker 1>you're relying on Darius Garland to space out to shoot,

904
00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:54.320
<v Speaker 1>which I'm not as confident of a person to see

905
00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:57.760
<v Speaker 1>Darius Garland shooting the basketball some empty times if it's

906
00:45:57.760 --> 00:45:59.840
<v Speaker 1>not to penetrate in the paint and get to the

907
00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:02.719
<v Speaker 1>So that to me is where I'm coming from from

908
00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:05.159
<v Speaker 1>that perspective. But I agree with you. I do think that,

909
00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:07.239
<v Speaker 1>especially if you're going to keep them on the floor,

910
00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:11.119
<v Speaker 1>they have got to be a better backcourt defensive tandem

911
00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:14.159
<v Speaker 1>against whoever their opposition is if they're gonna give themselves

912
00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:16.039
<v Speaker 1>a chance to compete in the Eastern Conference finals.

913
00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:20.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Garland one fifteen defensive rating, Donovan Mitchell one thirteen

914
00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:24.920
<v Speaker 2>defensive rating, Max Shrew's one fifteen defensive rating right. Meanwhile,

915
00:46:25.159 --> 00:46:29.079
<v Speaker 2>Multi Allen at one a wight. So they're clearly bolstering

916
00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:32.360
<v Speaker 2>the defense and cleaning up for honestly, those three guys

917
00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:35.199
<v Speaker 2>who were just not at the level that a championship

918
00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:37.400
<v Speaker 2>level team needs to be. But still I'm not saying

919
00:46:37.400 --> 00:46:39.480
<v Speaker 2>they didn't try this year, because they did make strides.

920
00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:42.199
<v Speaker 2>But if you're talking about that next step, that's where

921
00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:44.920
<v Speaker 2>it needs to come from from Cleveland. So for me,

922
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:46.840
<v Speaker 2>And like I said, there's just there's not a whole

923
00:46:46.880 --> 00:46:50.320
<v Speaker 2>lot of roster construction and rebuilding that needs to be

924
00:46:50.360 --> 00:46:52.679
<v Speaker 2>done here. They just got to get it done. Like

925
00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:55.000
<v Speaker 2>they just just got to get it in and figure

926
00:46:55.039 --> 00:46:58.119
<v Speaker 2>it out because they have the talent, especially with Hunter here.

927
00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:01.559
<v Speaker 2>Now again, I'll say for a full season, and ultimately

928
00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:03.119
<v Speaker 2>they need to decide what they're gonna do with tyger O.

929
00:47:04.119 --> 00:47:07.559
<v Speaker 2>If I was going to truly, truly truly nitpick at this,

930
00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:10.800
<v Speaker 2>you know when we talk about Garland is well, then

931
00:47:11.159 --> 00:47:13.840
<v Speaker 2>who truly is who's the real backup point guard on

932
00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:16.639
<v Speaker 2>this roster that you trust? You know? And I think

933
00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:19.159
<v Speaker 2>it's you know, playmaking comes from Donovan Mitchell in a

934
00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:21.440
<v Speaker 2>very real way. But is that what you want him

935
00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:23.079
<v Speaker 2>to be doing? You know, you know, when Garland is

936
00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:25.599
<v Speaker 2>out of the game, so to speak, so like who's

937
00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:28.440
<v Speaker 2>the next guy? So could they use somebody else? I

938
00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:30.159
<v Speaker 2>think so they can use a backup point guard? If

939
00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:31.679
<v Speaker 2>I was going to be truly nitpicky up a stid

940
00:47:31.719 --> 00:47:32.119
<v Speaker 2>the roster.

941
00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:37.000
<v Speaker 1>Interesting stuff, man. But yea again, great season all around

942
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:40.639
<v Speaker 1>for the For the Cleveland Cavaliers. Our settlement is don't

943
00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:43.559
<v Speaker 1>do anything, but you got to get better. You gotta

944
00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:45.559
<v Speaker 1>get better, and you can't be this good and get

945
00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:48.239
<v Speaker 1>knocked out, you know, in the second round, Like it's

946
00:47:48.280 --> 00:47:51.800
<v Speaker 1>gotta be championship finals, you know.

947
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, especially next year with Boston looking like they're going

948
00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:56.639
<v Speaker 2>to have a down year, right, I mean, well, we

949
00:47:56.639 --> 00:47:58.800
<v Speaker 2>don't know if it's gonna happen there right now. I mean,

950
00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:01.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, the East truly is for the taken. And

951
00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:05.239
<v Speaker 2>despite this Knicks run, despite this Pacers run. I look

952
00:48:05.239 --> 00:48:06.800
<v Speaker 2>at them, as I said with Boston last year, don't

953
00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:08.320
<v Speaker 2>look at them and like, oh my god, we can't

954
00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:11.119
<v Speaker 2>beat them. There's there's there's no there's nobody looking at

955
00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:12.760
<v Speaker 2>that right now. I think Cleveland and Boston are kicking

956
00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:18.000
<v Speaker 2>themselves in their ass right now, Like yo, they could

957
00:48:18.159 --> 00:48:21.360
<v Speaker 2>very cold. Yeah, and I think the rest of the

958
00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:23.079
<v Speaker 2>East wills well too. I mean, you look at it again,

959
00:48:23.079 --> 00:48:25.719
<v Speaker 2>we talked about Orlando and whoever whoever you think is

960
00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:29.079
<v Speaker 2>next up Detroit, even to may Les, It's like, Yo,

961
00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:32.159
<v Speaker 2>a couple of the right moves here. We can really

962
00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:34.159
<v Speaker 2>be right in the thick of this. So Cleveland has

963
00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:36.280
<v Speaker 2>no reason to think, since they didn't, they're not gonna

964
00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:38.440
<v Speaker 2>lose Mitchell for the entire of the year, like Boston

965
00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:41.960
<v Speaker 2>is gonna lose Tatum like this this the East could

966
00:48:41.960 --> 00:48:45.199
<v Speaker 2>be theirs. Honestly, Milwaukee, you know, might be fundamentally changed

967
00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:48.320
<v Speaker 2>with Giannis out of the conference. The Cleveland Cavaliers have.

968
00:48:49.880 --> 00:48:53.599
<v Speaker 1>Your point, they're fundamentally changed because Lillard is gone, right,

969
00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:55.800
<v Speaker 1>like he's out for most of the year, and they

970
00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:58.440
<v Speaker 1>were the second best team in the in their division.

971
00:48:58.719 --> 00:49:00.960
<v Speaker 1>Right So now you might make an argument, Okay, that's

972
00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:04.559
<v Speaker 1>the opportunity to pas well, yeah, I mean just in

973
00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:06.719
<v Speaker 1>the context that through most of the year it was

974
00:49:06.760 --> 00:49:08.760
<v Speaker 1>basically the Bucks and then the Pacers, you know, had

975
00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:11.199
<v Speaker 1>that come up. But you're not looking at this Pacers

976
00:49:11.199 --> 00:49:13.000
<v Speaker 1>team saying, oh, they're their next team that's gonna score,

977
00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:15.360
<v Speaker 1>that's gonna give you like sixty wins. They're good, they're

978
00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:18.559
<v Speaker 1>a solid team, and if somehow they find them, they're like,

979
00:49:18.639 --> 00:49:22.079
<v Speaker 1>oh man, we're we're the lucky We're the lucky losers man. Mac.

980
00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:24.239
<v Speaker 1>You know, if they if they get and we're gonna

981
00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:28.400
<v Speaker 1>talk about the Eastern Conference finals real quick. If they

982
00:49:28.440 --> 00:49:30.719
<v Speaker 1>get through and they get to the finals, hey man,

983
00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:33.559
<v Speaker 1>this could be it for them. This really could be

984
00:49:33.639 --> 00:49:36.320
<v Speaker 1>it for them, because we just don't you just don't know.

985
00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:38.840
<v Speaker 1>With the way teams are structured in the Eastern Conference,

986
00:49:38.920 --> 00:49:40.519
<v Speaker 1>you don't know whether or not you're gonna get another

987
00:49:40.519 --> 00:49:43.360
<v Speaker 1>crack at it. You literally just don't You're too to

988
00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:46.119
<v Speaker 1>the baseline. Cali warren Shaw discussing the hot button topics

989
00:49:46.119 --> 00:49:49.920
<v Speaker 1>of the NBA coming up Eastern Conference Finals preview. Shaw

990
00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:51.920
<v Speaker 1>and not give our takes, and then we also give

991
00:49:51.920 --> 00:50:03.320
<v Speaker 1>our predictions. You don't want to miss it here we're

992
00:50:03.360 --> 00:50:07.079
<v Speaker 1>back Cali warren Shaw based on NBA podcasts. That was

993
00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:10.960
<v Speaker 1>a good autopsy. Shaw And I don't know about you,

994
00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:13.519
<v Speaker 1>but I guess when talking about the dead so much,

995
00:50:13.519 --> 00:50:15.199
<v Speaker 1>sometimes it's just good therapy.

996
00:50:14.920 --> 00:50:21.360
<v Speaker 2>To Yeah, it's been a rough week. And like I said,

997
00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:23.400
<v Speaker 2>we care about one of those teams, maybe more than

998
00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:25.000
<v Speaker 2>the others. But at the end of the day, you know,

999
00:50:25.039 --> 00:50:26.559
<v Speaker 2>we're trying to make sure we do what we do

1000
00:50:26.599 --> 00:50:29.400
<v Speaker 2>here and and we're equitable, you know, in our assessment,

1001
00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:31.000
<v Speaker 2>and I think we were able to accomplish it.

1002
00:50:31.039 --> 00:50:34.760
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, absolutely, But and listen, credit to these teams.

1003
00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:37.880
<v Speaker 1>They set the standard, so it's only right, like we

1004
00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:40.440
<v Speaker 1>have to make sure that we scrutinize them, you know,

1005
00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:42.320
<v Speaker 1>as much as possible. You know, I think a lot

1006
00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:44.679
<v Speaker 1>of people look at what happened and are instantly thinking,

1007
00:50:44.679 --> 00:50:49.400
<v Speaker 1>you got to shake things up. No in the Cavaliers. No,

1008
00:50:49.480 --> 00:50:50.960
<v Speaker 1>you don't need to shake it up, but you should

1009
00:50:50.960 --> 00:50:53.519
<v Speaker 1>demand better of them. This is like, all right, now,

1010
00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:56.119
<v Speaker 1>this is year two that they've They've done this right, Okay,

1011
00:50:56.519 --> 00:51:01.960
<v Speaker 1>year three, no excuses? Right, So there you go. All right, Sean,

1012
00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:04.679
<v Speaker 1>let's get right into the Eastern Conference Finals. New York

1013
00:51:04.760 --> 00:51:07.599
<v Speaker 1>Knicks Indiana Pacers. You know, a lot of people are

1014
00:51:08.039 --> 00:51:11.079
<v Speaker 1>trying to get at this. Oh it's revenge time, you know,

1015
00:51:11.119 --> 00:51:13.679
<v Speaker 1>giving what happened with the Pacers knocking out the Knicks

1016
00:51:13.760 --> 00:51:17.280
<v Speaker 1>last year in the semi finals, you know, doing what

1017
00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:19.239
<v Speaker 1>they did in that Game seven, all this other kind

1018
00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:21.599
<v Speaker 1>of stuff. You know, Sean, I'm looking at this from

1019
00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:23.800
<v Speaker 1>a completely different perspective, and people might be thinking I'm

1020
00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:26.039
<v Speaker 1>being petty or you know, feeling some kind of way

1021
00:51:26.079 --> 00:51:28.920
<v Speaker 1>about it. If you're both the Pacers and the New

1022
00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:31.519
<v Speaker 1>York Knicks, you think you're lucky stars, that you've got

1023
00:51:31.519 --> 00:51:35.199
<v Speaker 1>some really good players and things just lined up as

1024
00:51:35.239 --> 00:51:38.280
<v Speaker 1>well as they did for you to make sure that

1025
00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:41.119
<v Speaker 1>when the opportunity presented itself, you did not squander it

1026
00:51:41.159 --> 00:51:45.599
<v Speaker 1>so that you can get yourself here. This is the opportunity.

1027
00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:48.039
<v Speaker 1>If you're the New York Knicks, you've got to get

1028
00:51:48.079 --> 00:51:51.440
<v Speaker 1>to the finals. There's just there's Listen. They are a

1029
00:51:51.440 --> 00:51:55.880
<v Speaker 1>better team on paper, legitimately have a better team than

1030
00:51:55.920 --> 00:52:00.199
<v Speaker 1>the Indiana Pacers. However, I've seen the Indian and the

1031
00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:04.559
<v Speaker 1>Pacers play better team basketball on both sides of the

1032
00:52:04.599 --> 00:52:08.280
<v Speaker 1>ball the course of this playoff run, and I don't

1033
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:11.719
<v Speaker 1>see anything changing of that. So if I'm if I'm

1034
00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:14.920
<v Speaker 1>Tom Thibodeau, if I'm Brunson, and them the guys, I

1035
00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:17.360
<v Speaker 1>have to be very careful about what my number one

1036
00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:21.039
<v Speaker 1>motivation needs to be about getting the job done to

1037
00:52:21.039 --> 00:52:23.159
<v Speaker 1>get to the finals. This does not have to be

1038
00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:28.440
<v Speaker 1>anything about more than if Brunson and Bodega and Bridges

1039
00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:31.039
<v Speaker 1>and Anobi and Harden, all of them do what they're

1040
00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:33.719
<v Speaker 1>capable of doing, they should be able to get past

1041
00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:38.320
<v Speaker 1>this Indiana Pacers team. They should be what I might

1042
00:52:38.360 --> 00:52:38.840
<v Speaker 1>be dreaming.

1043
00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:42.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm interested to see how any Innercar's cat That

1044
00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:44.920
<v Speaker 2>I think has been something that teams have been trying

1045
00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:47.440
<v Speaker 2>to like, Hey, well gard him small, and you know,

1046
00:52:47.719 --> 00:52:49.920
<v Speaker 2>take our chances with that, because you don't feel like

1047
00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:53.039
<v Speaker 2>he's gonna bully ball his way into any Cat's really

1048
00:52:53.800 --> 00:52:57.079
<v Speaker 2>about He's really interested in celebrating. I didn't realize that

1049
00:52:57.119 --> 00:52:59.719
<v Speaker 2>about him. He's really interested in celebrating every basket. So

1050
00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:01.400
<v Speaker 2>he's he's got to tone that down here because it's

1051
00:53:01.400 --> 00:53:03.679
<v Speaker 2>like it's it's winning time, right, like you're supposed to

1052
00:53:03.719 --> 00:53:07.159
<v Speaker 2>swor the basketball so relaxed. And so how Indiana now

1053
00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:09.679
<v Speaker 2>decides to do that? Do they, you know, stick a

1054
00:53:09.760 --> 00:53:12.360
<v Speaker 2>knem hard on him as opposed to a Siaka, which

1055
00:53:12.400 --> 00:53:15.239
<v Speaker 2>would be the more more natural matchup, because I think

1056
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:18.599
<v Speaker 2>what ended up happening likes, particularly in the Boston series,

1057
00:53:19.239 --> 00:53:20.880
<v Speaker 2>is that they didn't want to have a big on

1058
00:53:20.960 --> 00:53:23.960
<v Speaker 2>them because well then Cats is taking your big away

1059
00:53:24.280 --> 00:53:26.760
<v Speaker 2>from protecting the rim, so to speak. And I think

1060
00:53:26.800 --> 00:53:29.119
<v Speaker 2>obviously that's how Indiana would want to play with Miles

1061
00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:31.840
<v Speaker 2>Miles Turner. So do you put Miles Turner on Josh Hart,

1062
00:53:32.119 --> 00:53:34.000
<v Speaker 2>you know? While and or do you know you do

1063
00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:35.639
<v Speaker 2>you try to put him on whatever big is going

1064
00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:37.840
<v Speaker 2>to be roaming around? Like, I don't know what Carlile's

1065
00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:40.679
<v Speaker 2>going to do, but I think Carlile's probably best suited

1066
00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:43.000
<v Speaker 2>and as is to try to scheme his way to

1067
00:53:43.079 --> 00:53:46.320
<v Speaker 2>an Indian and victory in this Eastern Conference Finals because

1068
00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:49.440
<v Speaker 2>they are getting a production throughout the entirety of their bench.

1069
00:53:49.639 --> 00:53:51.719
<v Speaker 2>You know, even with Mathurin taking a little bit of

1070
00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:53.039
<v Speaker 2>a step back to the hot start he had in

1071
00:53:53.079 --> 00:53:55.000
<v Speaker 2>the regular season, you know, we've seen him kind of

1072
00:53:55.000 --> 00:53:57.000
<v Speaker 2>tail off, but now kind of reduce that reduce, but

1073
00:53:57.199 --> 00:53:59.440
<v Speaker 2>settling into more of a bench role, even a guy

1074
00:53:59.480 --> 00:54:01.920
<v Speaker 2>a bench shepherd coming off the bench and contributing, even

1075
00:54:01.960 --> 00:54:04.440
<v Speaker 2>Thomas Bryan a little bit. But to me, that guy

1076
00:54:04.480 --> 00:54:08.360
<v Speaker 2>who has just been ridiculous as a playoff performer. And

1077
00:54:08.559 --> 00:54:10.679
<v Speaker 2>I know, I know Tyers Haliburton is a guy here,

1078
00:54:10.880 --> 00:54:16.320
<v Speaker 2>but but Nemhard, he's just he's locked solid, lock solid,

1079
00:54:16.480 --> 00:54:19.440
<v Speaker 2>He's locked in, and he's really got this team, you know,

1080
00:54:19.519 --> 00:54:22.440
<v Speaker 2>playing at a level alongside Halliburn and the great work

1081
00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:25.880
<v Speaker 2>of Siakam as well. That gives us pictures of dimension

1082
00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:28.519
<v Speaker 2>that I didn't necessarily see coming or believe in going

1083
00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:29.239
<v Speaker 2>into the playoffs.

1084
00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:35.159
<v Speaker 1>So well, you're welcome, Shaw, but listen, if you're the

1085
00:54:35.199 --> 00:54:39.079
<v Speaker 1>New York Knicks, you have to be concerned because we're

1086
00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:45.199
<v Speaker 1>talking about how guys like Nemhart, guys like Miles Turner.

1087
00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:51.280
<v Speaker 1>They're all having their moment, and while Sam he is quietly,

1088
00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:56.679
<v Speaker 1>quietly doing a lot of the dirty work. He's he

1089
00:54:57.599 --> 00:55:02.000
<v Speaker 1>is quietly having a really really solid playoff. Let's remember

1090
00:55:02.400 --> 00:55:06.960
<v Speaker 1>he is an NBA champion, right, he might be ready

1091
00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:11.000
<v Speaker 1>to do his best work in this Eastern Conference finals,

1092
00:55:11.679 --> 00:55:13.840
<v Speaker 1>and this is exactly the reason why the Indiana Pacers

1093
00:55:13.880 --> 00:55:16.320
<v Speaker 1>brought him over to this team. Remember I said it

1094
00:55:16.360 --> 00:55:19.119
<v Speaker 1>was very intriguing to see the Indiana Pacers go after

1095
00:55:19.159 --> 00:55:22.880
<v Speaker 1>and bring in Pascal Siakam, right, whether that was a

1096
00:55:23.320 --> 00:55:27.079
<v Speaker 1>knee jerk motion because of how the Pacers are overachieving

1097
00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:30.000
<v Speaker 1>in what they did a couple seasons ago. But now

1098
00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:32.639
<v Speaker 1>you're starting to see when all of these components start

1099
00:55:32.679 --> 00:55:35.039
<v Speaker 1>to come together, what it's supposed to, what it's supposed

1100
00:55:35.079 --> 00:55:37.599
<v Speaker 1>to look like, and what it's supposed to mean. One

1101
00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:40.039
<v Speaker 1>thing that I am going to say that I think

1102
00:55:40.159 --> 00:55:42.239
<v Speaker 1>is going to be interesting, especially when you see how

1103
00:55:42.320 --> 00:55:45.400
<v Speaker 1>Rick Carlile it deploys his roster and how Tom Thibodau

1104
00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:49.679
<v Speaker 1>deploys his roster. Rick Carlile has a lot more confidence

1105
00:55:49.960 --> 00:55:52.599
<v Speaker 1>in the depth of his roster than you will see

1106
00:55:52.599 --> 00:55:55.920
<v Speaker 1>with Tom tibb Right, I want to see if Tom

1107
00:55:55.920 --> 00:56:00.719
<v Speaker 1>Thibodeau doesn't wait until it's absolute desperation time for him

1108
00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:04.559
<v Speaker 1>to start using the rest of that bench when certain

1109
00:56:04.599 --> 00:56:08.119
<v Speaker 1>situations deem it that he has to make an adjustment

1110
00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:10.519
<v Speaker 1>for that he has to counter for you know what

1111
00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:13.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying. I've seen Carlile do it through the course

1112
00:56:13.239 --> 00:56:16.960
<v Speaker 1>of his playoffs already. He did that against the Cleveland Cavaliers, right,

1113
00:56:17.559 --> 00:56:19.880
<v Speaker 1>And so I want to see if whether or not

1114
00:56:20.519 --> 00:56:24.119
<v Speaker 1>Carlile forces Tips to make a play, forces him to

1115
00:56:24.159 --> 00:56:26.920
<v Speaker 1>go deeper than just Duce McBride, you know, and a

1116
00:56:26.960 --> 00:56:31.039
<v Speaker 1>couple of other guys that Tom Thibodeau sparingly uses. And

1117
00:56:31.079 --> 00:56:34.320
<v Speaker 1>it's not because of injury Shaw, It's because of execution.

1118
00:56:34.840 --> 00:56:36.599
<v Speaker 1>And so that to me, is going to be the key.

1119
00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:39.800
<v Speaker 1>You can see that Carlile can still ask of his

1120
00:56:39.880 --> 00:56:41.960
<v Speaker 1>guys to go out and execute, even if they may

1121
00:56:41.960 --> 00:56:44.679
<v Speaker 1>not score at the same rate that his starters are scoring.

1122
00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:48.280
<v Speaker 1>He knows that from either a defensive or an offensive perspective,

1123
00:56:48.440 --> 00:56:50.880
<v Speaker 1>he's getting what he's getting from his role players. And

1124
00:56:50.920 --> 00:56:52.679
<v Speaker 1>I think that, to me is going to be the key,

1125
00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:54.599
<v Speaker 1>because this, to me, is going to feel like an

1126
00:56:54.639 --> 00:56:58.039
<v Speaker 1>even longer seven game series than what happened last year

1127
00:56:58.519 --> 00:57:01.079
<v Speaker 1>with the New York Knicks and the Indiana Pacers, just

1128
00:57:01.079 --> 00:57:03.159
<v Speaker 1>because it's gonna come down to the sheer will of

1129
00:57:03.199 --> 00:57:05.639
<v Speaker 1>whether or not your starters are ready.

1130
00:57:05.480 --> 00:57:09.119
<v Speaker 2>For the long haul. Yeah, something that's interesting about the

1131
00:57:09.119 --> 00:57:11.559
<v Speaker 2>Pacers when you talk about the depth, they don't have

1132
00:57:11.559 --> 00:57:13.440
<v Speaker 2>a twenty point per game guy. Here in the playoffs,

1133
00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:16.599
<v Speaker 2>there's not one guy on that team averaging twenty. So

1134
00:57:16.800 --> 00:57:20.159
<v Speaker 2>it truly is you know, depth death by the depth

1135
00:57:20.239 --> 00:57:22.639
<v Speaker 2>that they have right now. Siakam leaves them in eighteen

1136
00:57:22.679 --> 00:57:26.159
<v Speaker 2>point eight, Halliburn's at seventeen and a half, but guys

1137
00:57:26.159 --> 00:57:28.480
<v Speaker 2>are just sharing the basketball and getting and done. Neie

1138
00:57:28.480 --> 00:57:31.159
<v Speaker 2>Smith is uptick to scoring to fourteen point six, and

1139
00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:33.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, I think he'll have the primarily brunts and assignment,

1140
00:57:33.440 --> 00:57:36.119
<v Speaker 2>so maybe some of his offense might go to, you know,

1141
00:57:36.239 --> 00:57:37.880
<v Speaker 2>go to the wayside as he tried in the guard

1142
00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:39.519
<v Speaker 2>and stay in front of Budson to the majority part

1143
00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:41.440
<v Speaker 2>of the series. You know, I think alongside them part

1144
00:57:41.480 --> 00:57:44.480
<v Speaker 2>as well. But that to me is something where Indiana

1145
00:57:44.480 --> 00:57:47.039
<v Speaker 2>has a clear advantage of this. They trust more guys

1146
00:57:47.079 --> 00:57:48.920
<v Speaker 2>and I think, you know, even as you're alluding to

1147
00:57:48.960 --> 00:57:54.239
<v Speaker 2>with with Thibodeaux and induce Smitbride. Can you still get

1148
00:57:54.239 --> 00:57:56.599
<v Speaker 2>the same level of production? Due played very well in

1149
00:57:56.840 --> 00:57:58.960
<v Speaker 2>the semi finals against the Celtics. He played very well,

1150
00:57:59.400 --> 00:58:02.320
<v Speaker 2>I think it was in the Pistols season Piston series,

1151
00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:04.960
<v Speaker 2>but a lot better in the in the Celtics one.

1152
00:58:05.320 --> 00:58:09.880
<v Speaker 2>So can you see that level of aggression and consistency here? Otherwise,

1153
00:58:09.920 --> 00:58:11.199
<v Speaker 2>like you said, you're going to kind of look down

1154
00:58:11.239 --> 00:58:13.320
<v Speaker 2>that bench and say it's like, all right, cool, who

1155
00:58:13.360 --> 00:58:15.800
<v Speaker 2>else can we bring in here? Can Mitchell Robinson continue

1156
00:58:15.840 --> 00:58:17.639
<v Speaker 2>to be healthy knockdown free throws if they go to

1157
00:58:17.679 --> 00:58:20.719
<v Speaker 2>the hack of Robinson strategy, but also get those second

1158
00:58:20.800 --> 00:58:23.599
<v Speaker 2>second chances because that's where the Knicks killed Bosson And

1159
00:58:23.920 --> 00:58:26.239
<v Speaker 2>on the offensive boards, you know, in this Indiana is

1160
00:58:26.280 --> 00:58:28.599
<v Speaker 2>not a poor offensive or not a poor rebounding team.

1161
00:58:28.880 --> 00:58:30.239
<v Speaker 2>So I think, you know that could be a little

1162
00:58:30.239 --> 00:58:32.599
<v Speaker 2>bit more even. But Mitchell Robinson gives a dimension to

1163
00:58:32.639 --> 00:58:34.800
<v Speaker 2>New York, especially if they go double bigs, that a

1164
00:58:34.880 --> 00:58:38.400
<v Speaker 2>lot of teams would have some troubles with. So Thibodeaux

1165
00:58:38.440 --> 00:58:41.719
<v Speaker 2>has some things at his disposal. I think Carlisle has more.

1166
00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:44.159
<v Speaker 2>But the overall talent level in New York is a

1167
00:58:44.199 --> 00:58:46.320
<v Speaker 2>little bit higher. So that's what makes Face a very

1168
00:58:46.400 --> 00:58:48.440
<v Speaker 2>intriguing series to me to kind of see which one

1169
00:58:48.480 --> 00:58:49.920
<v Speaker 2>of those is are going to be the depth or

1170
00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:51.280
<v Speaker 2>the talent that wins ultimately.

1171
00:58:51.400 --> 00:58:52.880
<v Speaker 1>All right, so who do you have lined up for

1172
00:58:53.000 --> 00:58:54.119
<v Speaker 1>this for this series?

1173
00:58:55.239 --> 00:58:58.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, as much as I it's begrudging for me, you know,

1174
00:58:59.159 --> 00:59:01.199
<v Speaker 2>I am going to pick the Knicks, and I think

1175
00:59:01.239 --> 00:59:02.760
<v Speaker 2>it will be a seven game series. I think that

1176
00:59:02.880 --> 00:59:05.880
<v Speaker 2>they are very evenly matched. And this is me even

1177
00:59:05.920 --> 00:59:08.119
<v Speaker 2>getting off my soapbox of kind of like the Indiana

1178
00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:11.039
<v Speaker 2>Indiana distaste that I have. I think they've more than

1179
00:59:11.079 --> 00:59:13.920
<v Speaker 2>acquitted themselves in these playoffs, and I do think it's

1180
00:59:13.920 --> 00:59:15.280
<v Speaker 2>a toss up, like it really could kind of go

1181
00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:17.880
<v Speaker 2>either way. But I'm just gonna lean on the clutch

1182
00:59:17.920 --> 00:59:20.280
<v Speaker 2>ability of Gelen Brunson and the grit that the Knicks

1183
00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:23.599
<v Speaker 2>have shown within this. The Pacers have not been challenged

1184
00:59:23.920 --> 00:59:26.239
<v Speaker 2>like they have not been challenging this despite you know,

1185
00:59:26.440 --> 00:59:28.000
<v Speaker 2>and I maybe saying that's just how good they are

1186
00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:31.239
<v Speaker 2>because they both raised the Cleveland Cavaliers, but I think

1187
00:59:31.320 --> 00:59:33.920
<v Speaker 2>they need to be. They haven't gone through the wars

1188
00:59:33.960 --> 00:59:37.079
<v Speaker 2>that the Knicks have, you know, even in these two

1189
00:59:37.119 --> 00:59:39.760
<v Speaker 2>series where they have been challenging that first yeries still

1190
00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:41.239
<v Speaker 2>could have went either way with Detroit, like, I don't

1191
00:59:41.239 --> 00:59:43.000
<v Speaker 2>get any about it, says like it could have went

1192
00:59:43.079 --> 00:59:45.199
<v Speaker 2>either way. And then they really kind of, I say,

1193
00:59:45.480 --> 00:59:47.920
<v Speaker 2>didn't dominate Boston, but they grew up against Boston in

1194
00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:49.960
<v Speaker 2>a way that I didn't see coming. So I got

1195
00:59:50.079 --> 00:59:52.679
<v Speaker 2>NIX and seven I have.

1196
00:59:53.119 --> 00:59:54.880
<v Speaker 1>I have the Knicks in seven, but I'm gonna say this,

1197
00:59:55.440 --> 00:59:57.440
<v Speaker 1>if the Indiana Pacers win one of the first two

1198
00:59:57.519 --> 01:00:00.320
<v Speaker 1>games in the Garden, I think the Indiana Pacers going

1199
01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:04.480
<v Speaker 1>taken in six. And I feel more strongly about the

1200
01:00:04.519 --> 01:00:07.119
<v Speaker 1>Pacers probably winning in six than I do about the

1201
01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:09.800
<v Speaker 1>Knicks winning. But again, I just think that the Knicks

1202
01:00:09.880 --> 01:00:16.719
<v Speaker 1>have better clutch players when when asked off, it's a

1203
01:00:16.800 --> 01:00:19.880
<v Speaker 1>question of people they be healthy enough and will they

1204
01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:23.079
<v Speaker 1>be in a position to to to to be able

1205
01:00:23.119 --> 01:00:27.480
<v Speaker 1>to show that they're capable of doing those things. It's

1206
01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:29.280
<v Speaker 1>gonna be a tough series, man, It's gonna be a

1207
01:00:29.360 --> 01:00:32.800
<v Speaker 1>tough series. I think that it's no less than six

1208
01:00:32.960 --> 01:00:35.679
<v Speaker 1>or seven games. But if I'm the New York Knicks,

1209
01:00:36.639 --> 01:00:38.960
<v Speaker 1>I really would not like to be in a situation

1210
01:00:39.119 --> 01:00:41.239
<v Speaker 1>where I'm giving up any of the home court advantage

1211
01:00:41.239 --> 01:00:43.880
<v Speaker 1>city Indiana Pacers at the early outset of this playoff series.

1212
01:00:44.280 --> 01:00:46.280
<v Speaker 1>If you do that, I think you run the risk

1213
01:00:46.360 --> 01:00:49.599
<v Speaker 1>of you getting knocked out by the Pacers. And the

1214
01:00:49.639 --> 01:00:51.119
<v Speaker 1>Pacers have proven that they can go out there and

1215
01:00:51.159 --> 01:00:52.920
<v Speaker 1>they can win on the road, you know.

1216
01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:54.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean, but so of the Knicks though. So that's

1217
01:00:54.800 --> 01:00:57.119
<v Speaker 2>where I don't know home court means as much as

1218
01:00:57.159 --> 01:01:00.239
<v Speaker 2>it used to. But I understand where you're going. I

1219
01:01:00.599 --> 01:01:02.239
<v Speaker 2>just feel like both of these teams are very good

1220
01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:04.760
<v Speaker 2>road teams that we don't necessarily need to worry about,

1221
01:01:05.159 --> 01:01:07.079
<v Speaker 2>even in Indiana where the Steel game one or two

1222
01:01:07.199 --> 01:01:08.480
<v Speaker 2>in the garden, I hear you.

1223
01:01:09.400 --> 01:01:11.760
<v Speaker 1>Here's where I kind of differ with where you're coming from.

1224
01:01:13.960 --> 01:01:16.599
<v Speaker 1>The New York Knicks prove that they can come from

1225
01:01:16.679 --> 01:01:21.400
<v Speaker 1>behind against a team that allows teams to come from behind,

1226
01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:24.639
<v Speaker 1>the Indiana Pacers. And I think where I'm saying is

1227
01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:27.000
<v Speaker 1>is if the Indiana Pacers get on top of the Knicks.

1228
01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:29.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm not talking about this being like a two three game,

1229
01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:32.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, wired, you know, tight game going into the

1230
01:01:32.360 --> 01:01:35.360
<v Speaker 1>final minutes. I'm saying, if the Indiana Pacers go out

1231
01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:38.239
<v Speaker 1>there and molly wap the Knicks in the early outset.

1232
01:01:38.320 --> 01:01:40.280
<v Speaker 1>The Knicks are not coming back to win that game.

1233
01:01:40.840 --> 01:01:43.039
<v Speaker 1>The Indiana Pacers, I just think, as far as an

1234
01:01:43.079 --> 01:01:45.320
<v Speaker 1>offensive team goes, I think they're just too good to

1235
01:01:45.440 --> 01:01:48.360
<v Speaker 1>allow a team to just suddenly just come back out

1236
01:01:48.400 --> 01:01:51.400
<v Speaker 1>of the woodworks and then they lose that game. I

1237
01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:53.960
<v Speaker 1>think Carlisle will figure out and find a way to

1238
01:01:54.039 --> 01:01:56.440
<v Speaker 1>make sure that even if the Knicks go on a run,

1239
01:01:56.679 --> 01:01:58.440
<v Speaker 1>they ain't going on a run to knock out like

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01:01:58.519 --> 01:02:01.440
<v Speaker 1>they did the Celtics. The Pacers will figure that out.

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<v Speaker 2>But what I'm saying is that they have more dimensions

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<v Speaker 2>to their offense.

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<v Speaker 1>No, they do. But what I am also saying is

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<v Speaker 1>well too when it comes to the New York Knicks,

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<v Speaker 1>the New York Knicks cannot let this get out of hand,

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<v Speaker 1>right because then the Pacers get in the Knicks heads.

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<v Speaker 1>The flat out is just a fact. The Pacers are

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of team. They have got to be up

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<v Speaker 1>in you. They gotta be chirping, they gotta be all

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<v Speaker 1>up in your headspace, you know what I'm saying. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if the Knicks want to be messing

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<v Speaker 1>around playing those kind of head games with the Pacers,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, But if I'm the New York Knicks. I

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<v Speaker 1>have to make sure that I make a statement, and

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<v Speaker 1>I have to make sure that they understand that it's

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<v Speaker 1>not going to be easy to just get wins in

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<v Speaker 1>the Madison Square Garden. The MSG like to me, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not about just the sacred ground of MSG. It's about

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that you're the New York Knicks, and you

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<v Speaker 1>are you effectively have home court advantage because you're the

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<v Speaker 1>third best team in the Eastern Conference. Therefore, there should

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<v Speaker 1>be no reason why you're going to allow the Indiana

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<v Speaker 1>Pacers to destroy you on your own home court. And

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<v Speaker 1>we have seen where the Indiana Pacers go out there

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<v Speaker 1>and blitz teams to the point it makes them question

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not they can hang in that series. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I don't want to see. But it can happen,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's happened.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean ask you one final final question here, Where

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<v Speaker 2>do where does? Where? Does Brunson spend the majority of

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<v Speaker 2>his time defensively? You know, do you think he ends

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<v Speaker 2>up guarding nemhard or or or nice Smiths Because I

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<v Speaker 2>think the cross matches on New York side. In my head,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm figuring it out. I think will start out on

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<v Speaker 2>Turner and nobody's going to be guarding Siakam. I think

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<v Speaker 2>they'll put Bridges on Halliburton, right, and then that allows

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<v Speaker 2>them is going to be on right, And I think

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<v Speaker 2>what ends up happening Bridges and and sorry Bridges and

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<v Speaker 2>Nie smith will probably alternate on Brunson, you know, cross

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<v Speaker 2>matching with the case it b But I think on

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<v Speaker 2>the flip side is where does Brunson spend the most

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<v Speaker 2>of his time trying to hide? You know? And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you're right, it might it might be it might be

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<v Speaker 2>Nie Smiths. But you know, this is why we play

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<v Speaker 2>the games. Man. I'm I'm over, you know, the Celtics

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01:04:02.280 --> 01:04:04.800
<v Speaker 2>loss per se. Now I can just kind of focus

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<v Speaker 2>on what is basketball without any rooted interest and and see,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I think will be a race series

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<v Speaker 2>between Indiana and New York.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, man, great show all together, man, I mean we

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<v Speaker 1>covered a lot. We buried two teams, and then we

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<v Speaker 1>found a way to talk about two teams that are

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<v Speaker 1>staying alive, right so, and one of those teams eventually

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be a participant in this year's NBA

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<v Speaker 1>Finals and we are definitely here for it. Man.

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<v Speaker 2>So awesome show all together, brother, absolutely so, please continue

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<v Speaker 2>to tap in with the Baseline NBA podcast. You know

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<v Speaker 2>we got those goods for you, exciting and siding conversations.

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<v Speaker 2>You know we'll ramp up, we'll covers you a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit as we get into the Conference finals and the

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<v Speaker 2>NBA Finals ultimately, but enjoy, man, enjoy where there's still

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of great basketball ahead of us. We got

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<v Speaker 2>the drafts coming up as well, two special guests coming

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<v Speaker 2>up on the base line and in a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>weeks too. Great time to be a live brother, and

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<v Speaker 2>a great time to be rocking and rolling with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Like absolutely man So for the Baseline Cali warren Shaw,

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<v Speaker 1>we appreciate you guys, Thanks for having over with us

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<v Speaker 1>this week. Enjoy the Eastern Conference Finals. Catch up with you,

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<v Speaker 1>m hmm,