Speaker 1: So another question is, if you could do American Chopper
again from the start, would you do anything different? I mean,
that's hard to send. That's a lot.
Speaker 2: I don't know, probably not. I mean I wouldn't know,
you know, it's kind of a mood point question because
it's in the past. I think we were just like
we were just like on this crazy ride, so you know,
we were like flying by the seat of our pants
for like the first five years, right, So I can't
see how I would like go back and like critique
like maybe decisions that I made or things I did,
because it doesn't it seems pointless. And I don't know,
I don't think I would have had the wherewithal to
do something different. Is there anything that I have like
a major regret for it? Not really, you know, personally,
I would have liked for me and my father to
get along more often than we did, right, And it's
not even to get along. I think it's the overall
dynamic between us, the relationship. So but it was what
it was, and it actually the things that a lot
of people look at and go geez, that was really
tough is what they.
Speaker 3: Were watching for.
Speaker 2: So they may even sympathize with what I had to
deal with in my father, with his outbursts or you
know acting, you know, screaming and yelling and all that stuff.
But they couldn't stop watching, you know. So It's like
and even me now, as much as that was hard
for me as a younger person, right when we still
had a real father son dynamic like that, now I
look back and go, geez man, I don't think I
don't think it would have been as good, right if
we didn't argue.
Speaker 1: And to that point, even having no control over editing,
all the things that you would have taken out would
have completely changed. You know, you wouldn't have shown half
the things if it was up to you. That's truly
at the time, and that's what kind of made us
so dynamic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I don't think a lot of people
understand that when the show was done, every episode from
the very first pilot to the very last show we did,
we never had control over any editing.
Speaker 3: Now we saw it.
Speaker 2: When you did, when the people watched it on Monday
nights at nine o'clock, was the first time we were
seeing anything. We never got looks, we never got anything
sent to us and say, is this okay, and you know,
they put it chock full of all the fights that
happened that three or four weeks it took to do
the episode right. So man, yeah, I would say that
I would quite often watch the show and not be happy,
right and just because well, for a number of reasons. A.
I didn't like the way things were looking at times, right,
or I felt like, man, they left out some really
good stuff, like fab wise, something.
Speaker 1: That's always hard to because there is so much that
goes into it. So if there's certain parts that you
feel like are very important to the build and it
doesn't make it, that's like where it can be frustrating
for sure.
Speaker 3: Exactly.
Speaker 2: You know, the truth is in editing, they're trying to
make a television show. A lot of our episodes were
two hours long.
Speaker 1: A noow, how much filming goes into that one hour.
It's like a month's worth of filming.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I think when the when the rubber
meets the road and they're trying to put an episode
together and maybe they're getting behind and they need to
have deliverables, stuff gets lost. Now, even a one hour
episode is probably edited to like two hours, and then
they got to cut an hour out of it, so
they got to take a two.
Speaker 1: Hour forty four minutes with commercials.
Speaker 2: Right right, forty four minutes with commercials. But you know
what I'm saying, they have this big episode and then
they just have to whittle away at it to make
one great episode for forty four minutes or or whatever.
You know what I'm saying. So I think like that
was a lot. We had a lot of content. They
had like five cameras, we filmed around the clock. I mean,
how much footage can you keep track of, even if
you have a bunch of editors.
Speaker 3: It's a lot.
Speaker 2: So quite often, you know, I'd cease, like a build
and think, man, that that wheel is going to be
like this big feature on it, and it was like
a blip or barely mentioned, and I'm like.
Speaker 3: That whole wheel thing. We did that for days.
Speaker 2: The thing was there was all this great content around it.
So that was a little frustrating, but you know, again,
they were doing the best that they could with all
the content that they had, and truthfully, they had a
lot of goods. There was never junk. It was never
like what are we going to do with this? It
was like, we have so much of it. You know,
they probably could have done two hour episodes every time easily.
Easily they could have. They could And quite often I'd
be like talk with the editors. I'd be like, hey,
what happened with it? And they're like, we just we
got it down to like we had to let we
had to cut it. Yeah, So that's just the nature
of it. I think I would have liked to seen
different things through the years. And then you know, oh man,
when it became senior versus junior, I feel like the editing,
oh man, people got creative because they have so much
of our footage, and so sometimes then they.
Speaker 1: Had double the footage. Think about it, you have two shops,
both filming for an entire month to create that still
one hour episode, so and then you have to get
two stories within that one hour. So I feel like
that's when it got like. We would watch it when
it would come out, and all you were like looking
for is just make sure that the story was told,
that your client was shown that you know, there was
enough in there that made sense to you know, out
a full situation in the build.
Speaker 3: And we always got screwed a little bit.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we would check the time.
Speaker 2: We would always check the time, so if it was
forty four minutes, I would watch, like OCC's build get
like thirty, yeah, like thirty, and we would get like
and then there would be like an outside event which
I'm in, but it's not my client, and all of
a sudden, like my build is like, you know, twelve
minutes too of the whole episode, and occ we'd get
thirty minutes, you know.
Speaker 3: And we were just up against that all the time
because you.
Speaker 2: Know, it started with them and it was never going
to not be in their favor, right of course, and
so but I was I was glad to have that
aspect of things. And it was so frustrating because in
my opinion, our bikes were so much better than theirs,
and our process was so much better, but they showed
a lot less of us than the other side.
Speaker 3: And that was my that was my feeling, you know.
Speaker 2: And then it might have been a little hyper sensitive
because here I am, like, you know, the client is
expecting a certain thing. I have high expectations for what
they're gonna get, but really have no control over what
they're going to get. So that was a little frustrating
at times. I had to make some phone calls about
that and freak out on some people occasionally and be like,
what what's going on here?
Speaker 3: You know, but they didn't never cared. No one ever
cares about that stuff. They're like, shut up, you know, yeah,
shut up and build bikes. Do what we tell you.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, that was a little frustrating at times, but
you know, but at the same time we really shined.
I felt like, especially in Senior versus Junior, we really
were determined not to feed into the negativity and we
really stayed the course, and I think that was hard
for production. Yeah, I think production was looking for more
battles between us. In fairness, it makes good television at
least in their minds, and we weren't really confronting occ
We were just trying to build a business, and they
were wanting us to go to bloody war.
Speaker 1: Or respond to something that had happened, and we were
just trying to keep working.
Speaker 2: We were trying to do the right thing, frankly, we
really were, and we did and I think that got
frustrating for the network as well as production at times.
Speaker 3: So I think.
Speaker 2: People could do like some word play, you know, like
you have a million zillion hours of me saying everything
and anything, so you could take something my father says
and then maybe drop something. And I said earlier that
day that might have a response that you're looking for.
And I'm not even saying like a lot of that
went on, but occasionally I was like.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't think I in that moment, out
of context something. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Only but that that's always the big thing, especially with editing.
They can't make you say something you didn't actually say.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 2: They can make things a little funny, but but but
certainly not.
Speaker 3: And I feel like.
Speaker 2: I don't know, there's things that I won't even talk
about because it just doesn't make any sense, you know.
But but but but overall great experience. Production was great.
Discovery fantastic to work with, and we were just juggernauts
over there, Yeah, just pumping out marketing and advertising for
these guys like nobody's business.
Speaker 3: The ad sales we brought to Discovery was just I
mean it had to be to the tune one hundreds
of millions of dollars worth of advertising around our show
that was already built in and then and we brought
in all these big brands and they had to spend
money on advertising across across all of the shows that
Discovery have or the sorry, the networks that Discovery had, TLC, Discovering,
all the you know, all these subsidiaries of Discovery, So
which is fine. And we did you know, in the
introm we.
Speaker 2: Did very well for ourselves too, So it was a
pretty big phenomenon the whole thing.
Speaker 3: I don't even know how.
Speaker 2: We got here, but this I don't know either. Oh
what would you go back and change anything? Apparently apparently
the answer is yes, But no, it's all good.
Speaker 3: I'm just it's funny.
Speaker 2: Because we're having these conversations and I'm just reflecting back
and yeah, you know, it's been a minute from those
earlier days, and gosh, even watching the episodes is bringing
me back into like remembering situations from that time period
that I never that I ain't never think about. It's
not a part of my life anymore.
Speaker 3: Like that.
Speaker 1: You how do you feel them?
Speaker 3: I love it? I love it. It's a little strange.
Speaker 1: I feel like I can't stand to like see myself
or hear myself. I'm like I sound like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it's I think that's a lot of people,
you know, I like, I like the sound of my voice. Now,
that's not really true, but I know what you're saying.
You know, I most people, I mean back in the day,
the first early episodes, I'm talking like, I don't. I
can't even do my voice from back then. It's very slow,
and I'm like, I don't. I'm like horser, probably because
I'm older, right, but I had like a higher pitch voice,
and I don't know, man, we were watching it the
other day and I'm like, who are these guys talking
with this high pitch? So, you know, when you look
back on that time period, it's just a totally different person.
I can't describe it any other way. And the more
I watch it, the more I realize that I don't
even know that guy.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah so, But but it's interesting, you know, because it's
it's bringing up some different thoughts. I love the interaction.
Speaker 3: I love one.
Speaker 2: I watched the show and we're interacting and it's me
and Michael and we're like so young, and then Vin
comes around the corner and like, you know, and we're
building the fire bike or the you know whatever. I
would just watched that the fire bike episode. But Super
good Man really really feel grateful for the show. It's
recorded my history in a very professional way. The storytelling
is excellent, in part because we told a fantastic story,
but they also captured that story. They put the music
to it. Even though it's a little antiquated and older,
it's still fun to watch. Ye, And they really did
a great job of storytelling with our show. And so
that is there forever and ever and ever.
Speaker 3: And it holds up. See, that's the thing.
Speaker 2: And it's not because I'm in it, because if I
didn't think it held up anymore, I would be the
first one to say, you.
Speaker 3: Know, it was good. But it still is good. It
really is.
Speaker 2: Even the pre high definition stuff, which is like all
of our first season, it holds up. Man, go it's fantastic.
It's funny. It's fun My father's funny, Michael's funny. I'm
saying stuff. We're and we're building killer stuff. There's never
been a show like that before, not in not since.
I mean, think about it, There's never been a show
like American Choppers since, not anywhere, not anyhow, no one's
ever done not fast and let none of these guys
really did what we did for television, you know, and
which is really create a whole genre of television called docudrama.
So we brought in this whole new look, you know,
of reality television and then pretty knowingly unknowingly. Yeah, we
didn't set out to do it, and I think that's
what made it so great. It was no intention on
our part. We were just building bikes. We were carrying
on that way, goofing off. We know how to have fun,
and it translated.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So one of the questions I was looking through earlier
is someone asked, what am I like as a dad?
Speaker 1: You are like the older brother that Hudson never wanted.
Speaker 3: Or did want or.
Speaker 1: Did or who knows. I feel like I'm always yelling
at the both of you. I'm like, stop wrestling. Someone's
going to get hurt. I feel like you're an excellent dad,
honestly that thank you. You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I try.
Speaker 2: I got my imperfections, you know. I find that I
have some bad habits from maybe my upbringing at times,
but not for the most part.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The one thing I do to overcome any of my shortcomings,
which trust me, I have him, is love on that
kid twenty four to seven. Yeah, I just love on them,
I know, and I'll tell you it covers.
Speaker 1: A lot of things mothered with love from the two
of us.
Speaker 2: He really is and he handles it really well. You
could see he has great confidence when he's away from us. Yeah,
he's very comfortable with who he is. There's some real
values that come out of giving that kid love like that,
you know, because life is tough and he's now ten
years old and there's all these things happening in his life,
and it's like, I feel like that respect of what
we've instilled in him, it really translates. Plus, he's a
great kid. You know, he's got a great personality. So
I think we're doing a pretty good job with that kid.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: I think he's easy though.
Speaker 1: Because you know, he wasn't when he was young. He
was I know, he was a tough cookie, bouncing off
the walls, he was a runner.
Speaker 3: He was upset at one point in time, he was
upset a lot.
Speaker 1: Very emotional. I think he was trying to deal with
his emotions.
Speaker 2: You know, that kid feels deeply and I think when
he was young and could not it, could not verbalize it.
His frustration was it came through and he didn't know
how to handle it. I think at one point we
were kind of worried about him, really frankly, and then
just over time, man, he just kind of started to
grow out of it. And when he started to really
talk more, the more he verbalized, the more communication increased,
the less frustrated he was, because then at least you
knew what was going on with him, right, And then
even at one point he probably he hit half the time,
didn't know what was going on emotionally, you know, with
his own self. But man, now he's just so he
just he's just been such a great kid all the
way through. And I'll tell you, man, every one of
his teachers, what do they say. He's got the biggest heart.
He is so kind that the kids around him. And
I'll tell you it's better than grades. And he's an
honor student. So the grades are great. Right for me,
I didn't do well in school. Grades were not a
thing for me, But for him, that's.
Speaker 1: The thing for him also, I feel like it doesn't
come easy to him to take it grades, but he
cares so much.
Speaker 3: He does, he really does. You're so right about that.
Speaker 2: He tries so hard and he does not want to
disappoint us or himself. Teachers or his teachers. And it's
not like we're putting like crazy pressure on him. He's
coming to his own conclusion on that and that's the
big win. So he's willing to study and put the.
Speaker 1: Hard work in school though, which he didn't.
Speaker 3: Want it to end, which I couldn't.
Speaker 1: Hate it, couldn't wait for the last day.
Speaker 3: I hated school.
Speaker 1: What do you say this year about when school was ending?
He's like, waits this Monday, And I'm like, yeah, I'm
like this Monday, you know, no more school, summer starting,
he was saying. He was talking about the relief of stress.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, school so much stress.
Speaker 2: Well, he had all these tests towards the end and
he was like trying to get through and.
Speaker 3: He did great. Yeah he did so. Yeah, I'm a
great dad. Back to the back to the question. I try.
I try and be a good dad. I know that
I could probably do more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I feel like you meet him where he's at,
and I think that's important. I feel like you don't
push him. You know, maybe you enjoyed things when you
were a child or around ten years old that he
doesn't necessarily enjoy. Yeah, they don't push that on.
Speaker 2: The big thing is sports. I was like a sports
nut job. I mean, you know, I was a powerlifter.
I was captain of the football team. I had like
state national records and bench press state national records and
shot put in disc I mean, I was like an
overachiever and it was very natural for me, like my
athleticism won out.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: And I really enjoyed that aspect of my life because
I hated school, so it was the only good thing
about school to me. And for him, he doesn't he
just doesn't care. He doesn't really care about sports. And
it's and it's funny because we tried him in football
and he just he didn't really care.
Speaker 1: I feel like we've tried him at a bunch of
things and he wasn't nothing ever really stuck until he
tried surfing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's more of an individual thing. I think,
you know, he likes that. I think as soon as
you put rules and regulations to things, he's not into it.
So I think the surfing was more kind of free spirited,
and it's it's in the ocean, and that kid could
you could drop him off in the morning and pick
him up the next day and.
Speaker 3: He'll still be out there. Yeah, yeah, so he definitely
loves the water like that. But yeah, you're right. You know,
for me, I wasn't gonna push him.
Speaker 2: I really wasn't going to push him to be like
a football player baseball player. It just if he wanted it,
I would have leaned into it, you know, because I
still love to throw the football with kids and stuff
like that.
Speaker 3: And he he'll have a he's starting to come around.
Speaker 1: First of all, he's it's his own time.
Speaker 2: And so this year he got h most improved in
gym class and most improved through the year in.
Speaker 3: His fourth grade class.
Speaker 2: So this year he's had like a big like I
would say a growth spurt, but I think more well
physically and I think the way he's thinking, so he's changing,
you know. And you know, he's like six foot and
he's in fourth grade and so man, I see his athleticism.
It's there, and I just feel like this kid's going
to come out of nowhere because he's going to be
I think he's going to be six five. I think
easily six', five AND i think he's going to be
like a not a lanky six, five like a big.
Speaker 3: Dude your dad's. Big, yeah he's very. Solid he reminds
me of me a little. Bit but he's much taller
THAN i. WAS i, MEAN i was my father six six.
Speaker 1: THREE i believe he's the shortest of your of his.
Speaker 2: Brothers, yeah, yeah right, right you have an uncle that's
what six, Seven, yeah that's. BEASTLY i mean that's a
Little i'm telling you probably six three six' five for
like like a tight end or like basketball or any of.
That stuff, you know it, IS good. I think, but
yeah he's gonna be a beast and he's a very.
Handsome kid so all those ladies are he's gonna be.
Speaker 3: A heartbreaker. This, kid man it's it's crazy because he's.
Speaker 2: Got your looks and he's gonna be, this tall, blonde kid.
You know, so anyways we. Love him he's GREAT and
i do have a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: WITH him i love.
Speaker 2: Rough house and my wife is not good. At this
SHE thinks i should never. Rough house.
Speaker 1: NOT never i feel like your timing.
Speaker 3: SO much.
Speaker 2: I don't, I honestly i gotta tell. You something it
is so important for me to rough house with. Our
son it is not. Even funny it really really. Is
important it toughens him up a. LITTLE bit i think
it helped will help him. Through things he's not so
sensitive or gun shy about stuff, like that, you know and.
Speaker 3: He's kind of a rough.
Speaker 2: Kid anyways he actually plays too rough, With me LIKE
if i give him a, little, something man he'll hit.
Me Hard and, i'm, like dude you can't hit me
that hard because he's.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 2: Manly, now YEAH but i think rough house.
Speaker 3: Is IMPORTANT and i know what.
Speaker 2: You're saying it's like eleven o'clock, at night we're trying
to go, to Bed and, i'm like we're punching, and
wrestling and, you know he.
Speaker 3: LOVES it i.
Speaker 1: Love it it's when it's an inappropriate time to.
Speaker 3: Do it That's why i'm, DOING it.
Speaker 2: I know, i mean this is what, dads, Do man
and you're always going to give me a hard time
and him a hard time, about it and we're always
going to. Do, it now, in fairness he's, getting older
so we're teaming up on you more, big time and
you can't really. Handle that it's like maybe like how
your brother and his friends would tease you at one point,
in time like you're out in. Number enough it's now
we have. The dog it's three boys and, one girl
and we're and he's becoming more. Man boy, you know
he's got lots, of jokes like lots. Of jokes he's he's,
very witty he's. Very funny and he gets all that.
From me oh, my gosh he's got, your looks he's got,
my athleticism.
Speaker 3: MY humor, i.
Speaker 1: Mean this, kid's winning, winning combo.
Speaker 3: Winning combination.
Speaker 2: What's something about me that fans would be surprised?
Speaker 3: To learn, my, gosh, dude, dude ude.
Speaker 1: So, broad wait let me think. About, this wait? What's,
APPROPRIATE well.
Speaker 3: I, MEAN geez i could think of a few.
Speaker 1: You, could, yeah well let me think about this here
that they would be surprised.
Speaker 3: To, learn yeah what is something, that like fans really
don't know? About?
Speaker 1: ME hmmm i think everyone knows that you're obsessed with pick?
Speaker 3: A ball nobody knows that.
Speaker 1: You don't Think, so NO maybe I just KnowI fans.
Speaker 3: Know that?
Speaker 2: Oh really WHEN how i never posted a picture.
Speaker 3: Of me playing pick? A ball You know i'm OBSESSED
because i talk about it all.
Speaker 1: The, TIME yeah i, was thinking maybe that's a. Big,
thing well you know what? It is that's funny when
people see you like out like, in person, they're, like,
oh wow you look great, or whatever because, like, you've yeah.
Speaker 3: Playing pickleball yeah you're. All right so that's.
Speaker 1: One, THING yeah i would say that's like a big
part of your life that people probably don't realize how
obsessed with pickleball. You are in the grand SCHEME of i,
Am everything.
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with Pickleball because i've been playing what maybe three?
Speaker 3: Years now? Four years? How?
Speaker 1: Long uh four?
Speaker 2: Four years and, You know i've had my injuries and stuff,
like that but it has got me to be a.
Beast AGAIN and i mean like fast, as lightning very.
Athletic again i've Gotten my i've gotten like my natural
athleticism back in.
Speaker 1: Action that you thought.
Speaker 3: WAS gone i thought it, was.
Speaker 2: Gone Right and i'm talking like for, THIRTY years i
didn't really do.
Speaker 3: Any sports SO when, i start how do?
Speaker 1: YOU that i feel like that's like the biggest thing
with pickleball because it's so inclusive that a lot of people.
Don't realize so there's so many people that in high
school played. A sport how do you play football once
you get a high school you KNOW what? I, mean
like or how do you play like a soccer game
or something that's a big, team sport and that's what
you were. Very into you kind of lose that part
of your life.
Speaker 2: You do, and really pickleball is like a big filly. In,
there man it's very. FOR me i try for everything
AND and i SWEAT and i get a, fantastic workout
keeps the, fat off keeps, me lean keeps me keeping
up with.
Speaker 1: That, KID yeah i feel like that's been a really.
Big difference it.
Speaker 2: Really Has uh, AND man i, play well, you know there's,
better Players but i'm a. GOOD player, I mean i'm
a very. Advanced player so and and it's. Very competitive
we just got a new pick a ball place INDOOR that,
i JOINED which i, like outdoor but the wind's a.
Big factor And now. I'm SPOILED so i like WHERE
when I when i hit the ball, over there it goes. Over,
there ish, you know, You hope, BUT yeah I just
i think like, for me it's. Been big it's really
helped hand. Eye COORDINATION and, i think, you know FOR
years i was the guy like, Pick ball what the?
Speaker 3: Hell's pickleball, and uh well sounds it.
Speaker 2: SOUNDS ridiculous, i know yeah. IT does i think it's
a terrible name. For it but that's what.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 2: And uh and THEN once, i STARTED then i. Was
hooked and THEN when i started, getting good oh, forget
it that was it.
Speaker 3: FOR me. I turned i FEEL like i.
Speaker 1: First know you were like a mental case when you first. Started,
playing yeah there's something wrong.
Speaker 3: With, YOU seriously i think. You're.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah no we would play and you'd be, so like.
Speaker 2: Oh that that was in the BEGINNING where i was
probably a little bit more FRUSTRATED because i wanted to
be BETTER and.
Speaker 3: I wasn't so it WAS like i was a little like.
Speaker 2: Now that i'm a, better player a much more, like chill,
You know i'm a little bit more, laid back less
intense even when, we play, you KNOW because i can't
keep when, WE'RE playing i can't keep my.
Speaker 3: MOUTH shut i got to tell you how to. Do
it and then you're like.
Speaker 2: The eyes but you're a good. Pickaball player SO and
I think i've gotten better. WITH that, i mean you
could speak. To that we don't play as much together
as we.
Speaker 1: USED to i love when you comment like get it over,
the NET like i. Didn't know thank you. For that that's.
So helpful, i'm like you got to. Get, it yeah
and then you do the.
Speaker 3: Same thing i'm working on all. That though i'm working.
Speaker 1: On me we're playing the tournament at the end of.
Speaker 2: This month we are playing in, a tournament. Local tournament
it's going to.
Speaker 1: Be great last time we. Played replaced yeah we got.
Speaker 2: Third place yeah that's, PRETTY good, i know especially since you,
NEVER play. I know, BUT yeah i think overall pickleball
would be something that people now know, about me but
really probably all for all.
Speaker 3: INTENTSIVE purposes i don't post pictures of.
Speaker 2: ME playing i just it's kind of a part of
my LIFE that i don't really let. People INTO but
i maybe should MORE because i do. LOVE it i
designed a, paddle ye which is nowhere. Right now we've
got to probably. Readdress THAT but i should be doing some,
paddle designs. You, KNOW really i got some. Good ideas
we did a really, Great paddle, SO yeah i think
getting a little bit more. Into that, AND well, I
Mean i'm type. Two diabetic maybe maybe some, people KNOW
but i don't think everybody knows that, about me.
Speaker 1: You, KNOW yeah i guess that's a big. Thing too
and that's it's funny how that, came about because remember the,
build off it Was build.
Speaker 3: Off too it Was build, off Too build.
Speaker 1: Off, too okay So build off too, very, stressful. Right
yeap especially after winning the first, build off you're the
only one who has something to lose really against, everyone else.
Speaker 3: You.
Speaker 2: Know yeah going into the second, build off we came
into it winners and everyone else, had lost and We
added Fast, and loud, who frankly at, the time their
show was new and. Pretty hot they had a, good
following and they were, feeling themselves, you know like in,
that situation they were like we're the we're guaranteed.
Speaker 1: To.
Speaker 2: Win, Yeah yeah and so we came, into, that like,
you know kind of.
Speaker 1: Like stressful and. IT'S live i feel like people don't
realize like, the pressure like if, you fall, you fall,
that's right. YOU know i mean there's no editing that comes, with.
Speaker 3: That, You know and that was a lot of pressure.
Speaker 1: FOR you I mean i felt, the pressure yeah. FOR you,
i know different if, it's yourself but like watch, you,
know yeah go.
Speaker 3: THROUGH that i remember because we did the first one and.
Speaker 2: You're like, never again we'll see and then the next year,
they're like we want to do, another one and we,
were like, oh geez, man' gosh we're the only ones
with anything, to lose but we, did it and you
know it was good for us those.
Speaker 1: Build up so getting back, to that during that stressful
time when we were going through, like rehearsals, you know
just like timing and everything like, on stage and you
weren't feeling, that, Great, remember yeah and we didn't know
at the time that you were type. Two diabetic we
have no idea and WHO did i go next or
someone went?
Speaker 3: NEXT week i got, a banana.
Speaker 1: Got a banana from the dressing room next door to
give it. To, you yes because you were feeling like.
Speaker 2: WONKY wonky I remember i got out of. The elevator
now there was a lot. Of stress there was a lot.
Speaker 1: Going on behind the scenes that no one, Knows about,
like well that.
Speaker 2: Big conversation that happened with, My Father jesse james and
our producer and they DIDN'T realize i was standing back
there because it. Was dark that really put me in like.
Speaker 1: A well you. HEARD something i heard SOME things i
knew that.
Speaker 3: You heard but it was good because they all told,
on THEMSELVES so I had i was like in. The,
know yeah so that did, work out but it also
was like Stressful because i'm like realizing pretty much everyone hears,
against me, you know so you got to figure this.
Thing out so there was a lot going on at,
the time. You know, but yeah THAT'S when i, found
out well.
Speaker 1: We got we got too long, after, That, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah it was shortly after that that, Ever then.
Speaker 1: But it all made sense all the, you know there
were all, these signs right.
Speaker 2: My freaking out on you after eating a whole put
three twins.
Speaker 1: Ice cream ice cream out, and, navah, GOSH yeah i had.
Speaker 3: No idea you woke, up, LIKE yeah i was drinking
like gallons OF that v eight. SPLASH juicing i, was,
LIKE man i already drank two. Of, these, man.
Speaker 1: Yeah probably the worst thing you could have.
Speaker 3: Been drinking WORST Thing I but i had, No, IDEA
man i had.
Speaker 2: No idea people should pay attention, to that, because truthfully
many years, before that my doctor told ME that i WAS.
Speaker 1: Remember i was getting, me that and, you're, LIKE whatever
i was.
Speaker 2: Getting BORDERLINE but i always felt like she was trying
to put me on too. Many medications like EVERY time
i went, in there, she's, like oh we got to
get you on. Blood pressure, I'm like i'm not taking any.
Of that i'm like a, young guy, you know and
then the diabetes caught up, with me, you know which
is WEIRD because i was never. REALLY obese i eat
sugar like. EVERYONE else i DON'T think i, ate terribly but,
you know it's weird when. YOU'RE young i Remember thinking
i'll do it all now BECAUSE later i won't be.
Speaker 3: Able TO and i did.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 2: All, MAN yeah i ate, smoked fat, fatty steaks.
Speaker 3: Whatever you, can eat.
Speaker 1: You.
Speaker 3: Know, yeah yeah, and boy it does catch up. To
You now, i'm fifty AND now i can't do any. Of,
it yeah that's. NOT true i. EAT good i probably.
Speaker 2: EAT better I probably i probably should eat a little,
bit better.
Speaker 3: You KNOW but i will tell.
Speaker 1: You this, the pickleball yes COUNTERACTS if.
Speaker 3: I PLAY if i play for like two hours HARD
and i lose like five ten pounds of, just sweating,
YOU know i could probably come home and eat a
few THINGS that i shouldn't and it really does balance,
me out, you know because you're burning all. That.
Speaker 2: Sugar YEAH so i think being active and having type,
two diabetes aside, from diet or at least a, moderate diet.
IS critical i think a lot of people, don't exercise
and that's when they get.
Speaker 3: Into, trouble yeah and.
Speaker 2: Even for me now unless something changes with, the medicines
it's not a good thing. To have so if you
could avoid it, early ON which i think has just changed.
Your habits if anyone says, your borderline if.
Speaker 1: You're borderline then you should probably, watch.
Speaker 2: Yeah because you don't want to be on met Forman
in genuvia and Whatever else. I'm on you, know This
like i've been on that for like like fifteen, years, now, yeah,
right so but, but overall, YOU know i still always.
Feel TIRED yeah.
Speaker 3: I do i always Feel like.
Speaker 2: I'M tired i got to get my, gallbladder Out and,
i'm wait you have.
Speaker 1: Been avoiding this and it's going to be like and,
they said it's like such a simple little.
Speaker 3: It's a, one day half day in.
Speaker 2: And Out and, i'm waiting just waiting for the ambulance
to CARD because i Can because i'm keeled over on
the floor or something. Like that, you know that's just. My,
stubbornness YEAH but i should do something. About it it's
been like a year since they told me that things got.
Speaker 3: To, Go yeah i'm falling apart.
Speaker 1: To.
Speaker 2: Be fifty so people want to know what's my? Weirdest
habit what's your?
Speaker 1: Weirdest habit you make all sorts of noises and make
up your. Own WORDS sometimes.
Speaker 3: I do make up my. OWN words i think that's
where our sun gets. It.
Speaker 1: FROM now.
Speaker 3: I do make a lot. Of noises you do a
lot of, throat clearing a lot, Of, sniffing, yeah. Snorting,
farting wow it's just a. HUMAN man i can't think
fifty year old. Human man what.
Speaker 1: Are some other? WEIRD habits i. Don't.
Speaker 3: KNOW uh i bite. My nails, oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah okay i've even offered to clip your.
Speaker 2: Eye is it's a bad IDEA because i know they're
dirty and now we're probably gonna get sick.
Speaker 3: From, it yeah it's.
Speaker 1: SO terrible.
Speaker 3: I rock you.
Speaker 1: Do rock that's a. Strange one i've gotten used, to.
Speaker 3: IT so i don't do IT like i.
Speaker 1: USED to i don't notice.
Speaker 3: It, ANYMORE yeah i don't do IT like.
Speaker 1: I remember we were, like dating like not, too long
and we were driving somewhere far and you started like
rocking in, the Car and, i'm, like.
Speaker 3: Like oh, my. Gosh, killer, YEAH yeah. I rock i
like rocking back.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 2: Forth man AND when i, WAS young i used to
my mom used to go nuts because, you know we'd
BE in i was like a, big kid and when
i'd just sit up front with her and she'd be
driving in the mini Van and i'd be fricking the
minivan be, like this.
Speaker 3: She's driving. Her.
Speaker 2: Nuts yeah so she took me to the doc her, and,
SAID hey I got, She's like i'm bringing you to
the Doctor and i'm. Like okay so we go there and,
she's like he's blah blah blah and rocket and all
when he's on the couch watching.
Speaker 3: TV's rocking doctor said it's. Perfectly, fine yeah nothing you
can do.
Speaker 1: About it, she's like tell him.
Speaker 3: To stop it's kind of a.
Speaker 2: Soothing technique and it's weird Because now i'm FIFTY and
i still.
Speaker 3: DO it i do it a, lot LESS and i could.
SIT still i don't have to.
Speaker 2: Rock THOUGH when i was like in my LIKE when
i was, A, KID yeah I mean, I was i.
Speaker 1: REALLY rocked i feel like you only do that like
on long drives or if you're tired and you're like
trying to like.
Speaker 3: Stay, Away well i'll also ROCK if i throw.
Speaker 2: MUSIC on i kind of get. Into IT but i
noticed every once in A while i see like people
pass and they're like look pointing and laughing at ME
because i must look special in that front.
Speaker 3: Seat, rocket yeah, but, uh yeah that's Something that i've. Always.
DONE man i know one other kid who.
Speaker 2: Did it something it's just a something wrong. With, him
yeah there was something very rough, with him but it wasn't.
The rocking he was just there was something wrong.
Speaker 1: With.
Speaker 3: It yeah, but yeah, YOU know i.
Speaker 2: DON'T know i guess it's like a, soothing technique That's
what that's what the doctor SAID when i was. A
kid and uh AND so i think it, made sense,
you know especially with, my upbringing, you know.
Speaker 3: A lot.
Speaker 2: Of, Stress okay so what is something that someone might be?
Speaker 3: Surprised about you? Surprised, me like what's some kind of
thing that like they would never know?
Speaker 1: About you you, TELL me i.
Speaker 3: Don't know you're in the? Garden club is?
Speaker 1: That, LIKE oh i would feel like we do like
a lot of community, you know outreach and things of,
that nature raise money for, different things give, out scholarships
and it's kind of centered. AROUND gardening i. DON'T know
i feel like it's like a nice way to get
back to. The community and also it's SOMETHING that, I,
enjoy yes. You do so there's like house tours Like
for christmas, and Everything and i've always enjoyed like decorating and,
you know coming up with like creative ways to do.
Certain THINGS so i feel like it kind of scratches.
Speaker 3: That itch if you.
Speaker 2: Had to look like a, round number what is the
age of women that are In The garden club older
than me by? A? Margin yes so how was that
experience transitioning To The garden club being?
Speaker 3: SO much i.
Speaker 1: Attended many MEETINGS before i, actually joined and they, kept
saying are? You sure are? You sure you know we're
a bit older, Than YOU and, i, said well we're interests.
A line you. DON'T mind i, don't mind, You KNOW
but i feel like it's a, good thing, you KNOW
because i feel like over the it's been a few
years Now that i've been in, the CLUB and i
Feel like i've kind of found my niche a little
bit of like the things that because you can volunteer
for a lot of different events that they have, and everything,
and LIKE like, i said like the different outreaches we
do things like with the kids in the community or at,
the SCHOOLS which i try to help with and some
of the house tours, and everything so you kind of
like pick and choose where you feel like you. Fit
best and, you know That's what. I'VE done i think.
Speaker 3: You've proven yourself to these. Older women