Speaker 1: All right, Joining us now is doctor Peter Hammond. I've
Speaker 1: talked to him in the past about his amazing life
Speaker 1: and experience doing missions in South Africa and through the
Speaker 1: southern part of Africa, going into Marxist nations and the
Speaker 1: Muslim nations, and he had a very interesting take I
Speaker 1: think on the Olympics. Why are the Olympic Games promoting paganism,
Speaker 1: perversion and blasphemy. But it's an overall comprehensive take on
Speaker 1: the history of the Olympics, the ancient history of it,
Speaker 1: as well as how being used to push the New
Speaker 1: World Order and many other things. So joining us now,
Speaker 1: and of course I'll only tell you where you can
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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us, sir, Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: David.
Speaker 3: I'm sure we've all been absolutely horrified over the deliberate blasphemy.
Speaker 3: And it's not just offensive to Christians. That's not so important.
Speaker 3: How I feel isn't very important. The important thing is
Speaker 3: blasphemy and it's offensive to God or Mighty God I
Speaker 3: create and the eternal judge before him, each one of
Speaker 3: us will stand and you know, it's kind of extraordinary.
Speaker 3: First of all, have this nonsense that the Olympics committee claims, Oh,
Speaker 3: it wasn't meant to offend anyone who are just wanting
Speaker 3: to have a tolerance and inclusion. And interestingly, at first
Speaker 3: they said, no, it wasn't meant to be a parody
Speaker 3: of the Lord's Supper based on Leonardo da Vinci's iconic painting. No,
Speaker 3: it was actually meant to be some pagan festival with Dionysius.
Speaker 3: And yet for a remarkable resemblance to Leonardo da Vinci's
Speaker 3: iconic painting. And the press received on the program that
Speaker 3: this would be the last supper. In fact, even since
Speaker 3: and press releases beforehand, the programs distributed to the people
Speaker 3: on the banks of the Seine River, this was that
Speaker 3: section of the procession of the opening ceremony was going
Speaker 3: to be the last supper.
Speaker 1: And you had an interesting take on this, which I
Speaker 1: had not talked about. And when I talked about it,
Speaker 1: I said, you know, we've had parodies and the last
Speaker 1: separ it's a piece of art, and so forth. A
Speaker 1: lot of people have done parodies of it. But the
Speaker 1: thing that was interesting about this one and so offensive,
Speaker 1: was the fact that they combined a parody with the
Speaker 1: bauchery and your take on it was interesting because you
Speaker 1: talked about the subtext to the fact that it was
Speaker 1: Dionysius or Bacchanalia and talk about that the wine aspect
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 3: Now we've seen at Olympics openings that have been going
Speaker 3: increasingly back to the pagan roots of the Olympic and
Speaker 3: you can see, you know, whether you're talking about Athens
Speaker 3: or Atlanta or Barcelona, London, as they all have been
Speaker 3: getting increasingly more pagan type of arcoltic even ceremonies, which
Speaker 3: is going back to the rooch of the Olympics, which
Speaker 3: always was dedicated to Zeus and the whole pantheon of
Speaker 3: Greek gods. We grateful that they don't sacrifice hundreds of
Speaker 3: animals and engage in animal cruelty at the beginning of
Speaker 3: the Olympics, which they used to.
Speaker 4: Nevertheless, that may be coming, I don't know.
Speaker 3: But now what they're doing is if you think the
Speaker 3: Lord's Supper is so critical to Christian faith, this isn't
Speaker 3: about Leonardo davinciy. This is about the Lord's Supper. They're
Speaker 3: not trying to mock Leonardo da Vinci the artists. They're
Speaker 3: trying to mock the Lord's Supper, because the Lord's supper
Speaker 3: symbolizes I mean, this is where the community service was
Speaker 3: an augrets and the Lost Supper before our Lord was
Speaker 3: portrayed and crucified, the body of the Lord symbolized by
Speaker 3: the bread his body will be broken for us, and
Speaker 3: the wine symbolic of his blood shed. Bruce, this is
Speaker 3: at the heart of our salvation. And now in this
Speaker 3: Olympic ceremony, opening ceremony, which of course cuts millions of yours,
Speaker 3: put together that this is a massive operation. And you
Speaker 3: have the Greek god Dionysius, who is the god of
Speaker 3: wine and the god of the pauchery, lying on the
Speaker 3: table where the bread and the wine should be.
Speaker 2: So you've got the pauchery.
Speaker 3: Instead of celebrating salvation, now replaced him to celebrating sin.
Speaker 3: And remember, Christianity believes in salvation from sin, whereas the
Speaker 3: pagan religion of Sabatanism, which many of the modern elite
Speaker 3: holds you, is salvation through sin. You are saved through sin.
Speaker 3: In fact, it is through the bauchery, through breaking all
Speaker 3: the laws of God. It is the whole Sabatane religion
Speaker 3: which is at the heart of the Illuminati. For example, Sabatanism,
Speaker 3: which started in sixteen sixty six through sabatae Zebbi, which
Speaker 3: is obviously the religion of many of the elites in
Speaker 3: Hollywood and government today.
Speaker 2: You can see it.
Speaker 3: Horvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein epitomised Sabatanism.
Speaker 2: Salvation through sin. You deliberately break all the laws of.
Speaker 3: God and you throw yourself fully into the bauchery, so
Speaker 3: you celebrates, You celebrate sin instead of celebrating salvation.
Speaker 1: Yes, instead of instead of Christ sinless body. What you're
Speaker 1: doing is you're using the body to create sin and
Speaker 1: to celebrate that, and you point out salvation through that sin.
Speaker 1: It is an interesting juxtaposition. And then of course you
Speaker 1: know the wine aspect of Dionysius and the bacchanalia. You know,
Speaker 1: saying that it's not the wine is not representative of
Speaker 1: the blood, but you know it's uh, it's wine, and
Speaker 1: it's drunkenness, and.
Speaker 3: It's almost a religious ceremony that you engage in debauchery
Speaker 3: in getting drunk. This isn't a sober recognition of my
Speaker 3: sin led to the broken body and the shed blood
Speaker 3: of my savior, which is of course something of repentance
Speaker 3: and regrets in our hearts and souls as we look
Speaker 3: at it and think, you know, this is terrible, what
Speaker 3: my sin caused, the suffering that this caused my savior.
Speaker 3: But instead they are celebrating at debauchery, the celebrating drunkeness,
Speaker 3: and it's got almost a religious significance. They really do
Speaker 3: worship their sin. They celebrate this and they love this,
Speaker 3: and that is obviously the religion of many of the
Speaker 3: elites in the world today. Bear in mind that despite
Speaker 3: the huge amounts of outrage around the world the French Church,
Speaker 3: outraged Christians around the world, outrage and even Elon Musk
Speaker 3: and Donald Trump and the Speaker of the House of
Speaker 3: the Years, House of Representatives saying this is disgusting, this
Speaker 3: is shameful, this is outrageous. And yet the French present
Speaker 3: from Macron, he comes up and says, we're proud of this,
Speaker 3: and this ceremony is about who we are as frenchmen.
Speaker 3: And the Mayor of Paris also said that they out
Speaker 3: of this and this is wonderfulness. Represents who they are,
Speaker 3: you know, blasphemous drunkards and anti Christian pagans.
Speaker 2: They are actually proud. They're not actually rebuking this chapter.
Speaker 3: Now interesting that the person who put this together, you know,
Speaker 3: putting some freak show of perverts and people who look
Speaker 3: more like the degenerates in the Hunger Games, pan m
Speaker 3: the capital of the Hunger Games, a scenario, you know,
Speaker 3: all but they weirdly died here in they're bizarre outfits,
Speaker 3: and you've got the bearded man who's or the bearded
Speaker 3: woman who's who's dressed in this provocative type of dress
Speaker 3: in the whole lot of things hanging out and you know,
Speaker 3: absolutely gross, disgusting, bizarre freak show and transvestites and perverts
Speaker 3: and a whole LGBT crowd. They're not celebrating tolerance for
Speaker 3: all kinds of religious beliefs. They're celebrating only one kind
Speaker 3: of religious repeting. That's LGBTQ and the whole perverted brunch
Speaker 3: and the trans crowds. This is what was being promoted there,
Speaker 3: and this is what the French president and French mayor
Speaker 3: of Paris claims they're proud of, and this is about
Speaker 3: who we are. And they paid millions of euros to
Speaker 3: put together this whole event, which by the way, it's
Speaker 3: got more than that obviously, attacking the heart of our salvation.
Speaker 3: The salvation of Christ is very bad. But they all said,
Speaker 3: the pale writer of Revelation going writing down the Seine
Speaker 3: carrying the Olympic banner, and you know, the pale writer
Speaker 3: Hell follows off to him. And you can also think
Speaker 3: of the golden cough that's up on the platform with
Speaker 3: the Olympic rings, so that why would you choose a
Speaker 3: golden cough?
Speaker 2: And it reminds us of the It's.
Speaker 1: Just a question again, right well, yeah, remember what President
Speaker 1: Franklin Dinlan A.
Speaker 3: Roosevelt said, in politics, nothing happens by accident, and that
Speaker 3: was also in different words by the American Ambassador to Britain,
Speaker 3: Joseph Kennedy, the father President John F.
Speaker 2: Kennedy.
Speaker 3: Joseph Kennedy wanted in politics the honor accidents. And I
Speaker 3: think that this is true. And people don't spend tens
Speaker 3: of millions of euros on something if it doesn't the
Speaker 3: pitsmas what they believe.
Speaker 2: You can be sure.
Speaker 3: The opening for the Olympics was not just approved by
Speaker 3: the Olympic Committee. It was approved by the French governments
Speaker 3: and the Paris City Council because it represents all of them,
Speaker 3: and they wouldn't have been allowed to bring it to
Speaker 3: fruition unless it has been approved on the national municipal
Speaker 3: level as well as the International Olympic Committee level. And
Speaker 3: so that they've got all these bizarre things, including a
Speaker 3: figure of Mary Antoinette walking around the capitation with their
Speaker 3: head under arm, which is not even funny.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's disgusting.
Speaker 3: The French Revolution, they'rehitting thirty thousand people, including women and children.
Speaker 3: It just you know, it's not something to be proud of.
Speaker 3: It's part of French history. But you know, there's many
Speaker 3: other things that to celebrate. They could have John the Arc.
Speaker 3: I mean, you think of France has got some great
Speaker 3: history they could have turned to. Why did they have
Speaker 3: to terms to paganism and occultism and even anti Christian
Speaker 3: bless you? Is that really what they are about, is
Speaker 3: this epitomiz in the new world order and the powers
Speaker 3: that should not be I think it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's nihilism, as you point out, you know, the
Speaker 1: Pale Writer, the death that was there, the Golden Calf,
Speaker 1: all that stuff is very deliberate when they they think
Speaker 1: a great deal about the sets that they have and
Speaker 1: the symbolism that they put out there.
Speaker 4: There's not an accident.
Speaker 1: And as you mentioned, we've got Republicans who criticize it,
Speaker 1: but they're still going to fund it. And you've got
Speaker 1: Jill Biden who loved it. Jiel said this is just great,
Speaker 1: and so she loved it as much as the Marxist
Speaker 1: mayor of Paris and as much as Macron loved it.
Speaker 1: So they're getting what they want. And of course in
Speaker 1: the lead up to this, they're they're bragging about how
Speaker 1: they changed all the laws and they're setting up all
Speaker 1: kinds of surveillance and things like that, which is going
Speaker 1: to remain. That's going to be part of the infrastructure
Speaker 1: to create more surveillance, more of a police state. And
Speaker 1: so it is really pushing us into that new world order,
Speaker 1: isn't it?
Speaker 2: Incredibly so? And this isn't just the Olympics.
Speaker 3: We've been seeing statues and monuments to all kinds of
Speaker 3: pagan gods over the years. At the Athens Olympics, of course,
Speaker 3: that's Zeus. They had Athenia, they had Aeros, the god
Speaker 3: of Love, hanging over it all.
Speaker 2: They had under Eros.
Speaker 3: There's a bunch of these frollicking, scantly planned people touching
Speaker 3: and releasing one another, and eers hopping over them. So
Speaker 3: they've had a bunch of pagan depictions centaurs, halfman, half
Speaker 3: horse launching.
Speaker 2: Shafts of life.
Speaker 3: At the beginning of Olympic ceremonies at Atlanti it was
Speaker 3: also extremely pagan and lots of the ancient pagan Greek gods.
Speaker 3: And after the Athens Olympics it was said Zeus must
Speaker 3: have been very pleased. Has so many people worldwide sung
Speaker 3: his praises and never has he had such a large flock.
Speaker 3: And so it seems that the powers that should not
Speaker 3: be the globalist, the new World Order, are using these
Speaker 3: Olympic events, which, let's face it, over a billion people
Speaker 3: watch these opening events. So this isn't somebody offended somebody
Speaker 3: at a school play. This is the biggest global event
Speaker 3: and the New World auto craft cannot help. They cannot
Speaker 3: resist the opportunity to promote their religion. I mean considered,
Speaker 3: if you or I were invited to speak at any
Speaker 3: major event, no matter where it is, we would inject
Speaker 3: our faith. I couldn't help you do it doesn't matter
Speaker 3: where I'm invited. I've been university's army basis, I've been
Speaker 3: in Muslim terror camps. I've been in Communists events, I've
Speaker 3: been in cults, churches, Mormons, service witnesses and others. At
Speaker 3: every occasion, I've brought in the Gospel. I can't help it.
Speaker 3: That's who I am, and I've got my message and
Speaker 3: I'll bring it in well. The International Olympic Committee chose
Speaker 3: a well known LGBTQ activist just into the trance movement
Speaker 3: and so on, to put together this whole debauchery on
Speaker 3: the Sane River. As some people said, this was insane
Speaker 3: because the name of the river is the same river.
Speaker 3: So what you saw was an insane opening ceremony to
Speaker 3: the Paris Olympics. And the whole ceremony was done on
Speaker 3: the same river.
Speaker 1: And it was like a like an open sewer, just
Speaker 1: like the saying itself as an open So the imagery
Speaker 1: as as well.
Speaker 3: As it isn't open because the seven seventy seven killime
Speaker 3: the river. It's like the heart of Paris, and Paris
Speaker 3: is built around the same river. And interestingly, you'll find
Speaker 3: it's almost impossible to believe. I mean, I don't understand
Speaker 3: how it's possible. They spent a billion euro, that's euro,
Speaker 3: a billion euro to clean up the seane so it
Speaker 3: would be clean enough for this operation. And Paris must
Speaker 3: do a lot of litten pollution. If it cost that
Speaker 3: much to clean up the river, I mean, I would
Speaker 3: have thought a million year could have done the job.
Speaker 4: But what do I know, But they didn't clean it up.
Speaker 1: They've got athletes who are in the hospital with THEKLA,
Speaker 1: I mean the two of them in the hospital, so
Speaker 1: it's pretty bad. You talked a lot about the original Olympics,
Speaker 1: and I think it is kind of interesting that you know,
Speaker 1: when to contrast the ancient Olympics with the modern Olympics.
Speaker 3: I think that's very important because when the Olympic committee
Speaker 3: also got under criticism because some Christian athletes have been
Speaker 3: forbidden to have Christian symbols on themselves. On one case,
Speaker 3: a man on a surfboard, a Brazilian athlete was warned,
Speaker 3: you get the imagery of Christianity orf your surfboard or
Speaker 3: you're disqualified from the Olympics. So when they were criticized,
Speaker 3: they said, well, the Olympics are very strictly non religious,
Speaker 3: really non religious.
Speaker 2: That is not true.
Speaker 3: The Olympics have been from the very big being exceedingly religious, pagan,
Speaker 3: of course, but very religious. So the original Olympics were
Speaker 3: all done in the name of Zeus and in fact
Speaker 3: the old pantheon of Gods, and every athlete thatches fail
Speaker 3: egiants to Zeus. And there was a procession which involved
Speaker 3: taking the sacred fire the embers up to the temple
Speaker 3: of Zeus, and the priests carried the embers up and
Speaker 3: they put the fire in, which is now symbolized by
Speaker 3: the Olympic torch coming and lightsing, and that the torch
Speaker 3: has to start in Athens. It's all very symbolic ands
Speaker 3: on and so this is all pagan worship. And then
Speaker 3: they sacrificed a hundred bulls. There's a lot of animal
Speaker 3: sacrifice before, during, and after every Olympic game. So every
Speaker 3: single Olympic winner had to sacrifice after their winnings to
Speaker 3: the Temple of Zeus. And by the way, one of
Speaker 3: the rewards for the Olympic athletes who won was prostitutes
Speaker 3: from the temple of Aphrodites, meant to the goddess of Love,
Speaker 3: so of course are like goddess had lust. But the
Speaker 3: original Olympics were exceedingly pagan, lots of religious activities and
Speaker 3: for the Olympics Committee today to say we have strict neutrality,
Speaker 3: there's nothing religious. Well, what do you call worshiping Zeus
Speaker 3: and Eers and Dionysius and all these other things? Are
Speaker 3: they not religious? And I think when I say non religious,
Speaker 3: what they mean is non Christian because they're certainly not
Speaker 3: non religious. That is just not true. And so the
Speaker 3: original Olympics were exceedingly violent, by the way, not only
Speaker 3: with the killing of animals for sacrifices before the Olympics
Speaker 3: and after its and after every match, but there were
Speaker 3: One of the Olympic sports was pentachron and that was
Speaker 3: where you could use anything from choke holds, dislocations of arms,
Speaker 3: breaking of burns, one of the fact there was really
Speaker 3: almost no rules. And the one of the famous athletes,
Speaker 3: that is he was specialized in thrusting his fingers into
Speaker 3: person's abdomen and ripping us in testins. Another one of
Speaker 3: their contestants specialist breaking fingers, and so that was one
Speaker 3: of the sports. The four horse chariot racers were famous,
Speaker 3: exceedingly popular, you know, think Ben her But these chariot
Speaker 3: racers involved gory pile ups. People were often disfigured beyond
Speaker 3: recognition you know, very gory with people charing these things on,
Speaker 3: so that Olympics were really bloody Olympics, and not just
Speaker 3: violent to the poor animals who are sacrificed, but violent
Speaker 3: to the contestants. And by the way, the contestants had
Speaker 3: to compete completely naked. Of course, only men were allowed
Speaker 3: to participates. Women were not allowed if they were married.
Speaker 3: Married women were not allowed in the stands, and they'd
Speaker 3: risked the death penalty like being thrown off the nearby
Speaker 3: cliffs head first if they attended in the stands. But
Speaker 3: single women could attend, and prostitutes from the temple of
Speaker 3: Afroidaiti were part of the rewards for winning athletes. So,
Speaker 3: you know, the original Olympics. But I don't know why
Speaker 3: we couldn't have launched an international sports event that wasn't
Speaker 3: rooted in ancient Greek paganism and was such a trickered past.
Speaker 2: I mean, was it really necessary.
Speaker 3: I think it's time for us to launch a new
Speaker 3: form of international sports. We don't need the Olympics, and
Speaker 3: Olympics seem so corrupt and so anti Christians, so pagan
Speaker 3: and after this so blesphemous. I don't know how Christians
Speaker 3: can want to participate in. And I come from a
Speaker 3: sporting family. I've got several of my children have won
Speaker 3: national colors and represents that our country overseas. So my
Speaker 3: wife was very much into sports, and so we love sports.
Speaker 3: My father used to run the Western Cape Cricket Union.
Speaker 3: So I feel a little bit of a traitor to
Speaker 3: speak like this, but we are not against sports. Of course,
Speaker 3: Christians are not anti sports per se. We're against idology
Speaker 3: and paganism. But the Bible does have a lot of
Speaker 3: athletic terms. So we read in the Bible about running
Speaker 3: the race and keeping the faith.
Speaker 2: And in one.
Speaker 3: Corinthians nine of the apostle Paul speaks about every athlete
Speaker 3: goes into strict training to compete in the.
Speaker 2: Games, and they do it for a crown that will perish,
Speaker 2: but we do it for crown to last for eternity.
Speaker 2: And he speaks about.
Speaker 3: How we've got a subdure body and make our body
Speaker 3: our slave, that we will not be disqualified, so that
Speaker 3: we can run the racers to get the price.
Speaker 2: So these are good biblical images.
Speaker 3: One Timothy before we read that physical training is of
Speaker 3: some benefit. It's not of eternal benefit, but it is
Speaker 3: of some benefit. Our body is the vehicle with which
Speaker 3: our soul travels this earth to be useful on earth.
Speaker 3: So physical sports is lifted up as something commendable, much
Speaker 3: like being in the military or being a farmer is
Speaker 3: lifted up as a model of the Christian dsuption walk.
Speaker 3: We can learn from sports. And I remember being brought
Speaker 3: up in school in Rhodesia, where sports would taught us
Speaker 3: as to teach us how to be team players, to
Speaker 3: teach us how to play according to the rules, to
Speaker 3: be gracious winners, to be gracious losers, to play the
Speaker 3: game for the sake of doing it right. And so
Speaker 3: in some ways they said sports was preparing us for life.
Speaker 3: Other times they said sports was preparing us for war.
Speaker 3: Were told by some teachers, war is the real thing.
Speaker 3: Sports is just the practice, you know, where when you
Speaker 3: learn some of the skills that you're going to use
Speaker 3: in the battlefield, you learn on a sports field. And
Speaker 3: so I'm not against sports, but the Olympics have become
Speaker 3: absolutely debauched in pagan and the hostility to Christianity is
Speaker 3: subject you can understand why so many people, including Elon
Speaker 3: Musk and Hobby Lobby and others have said they're boycotting
Speaker 3: the Olympics, withdrawing advertising. And even after all this protest,
Speaker 3: you still have them the French present saying he's proud
Speaker 3: of this and this is what beyond, this is what
Speaker 3: we are as Frenchmen, as Parisians, and well it shows
Speaker 3: you they are so committed to their pagan religion that
Speaker 3: these powers that should not be the globalists are willing
Speaker 3: to alienate a lot of people, a lot of sponsors.
Speaker 3: It's not financially viable to do this. I don't know
Speaker 3: if you've noticed, but the stands are often empty and
Speaker 3: they are having trouble selling tickets to the Olympics. People
Speaker 3: are not filling the stands, people are boycotting, many are
Speaker 3: board out of their mind or disgusted. And so the
Speaker 3: Parasalympics have had the lowest attendants ever. They've never had
Speaker 3: such such bad attendants. And of course that's excluding the
Speaker 3: COVID cults lockdown lunacy of the Tokyo Olympics, which was
Speaker 3: postponed a here and then they stow it didn't allow
Speaker 3: spectators in the stands. It all had to be remokely,
Speaker 3: which that's going to be one of the most dull DoD.
Speaker 2: Olympics. Ever, you know.
Speaker 3: Watson Olympics will not spectators, well they seem to, but
Speaker 3: the masquerade, madness, lockdown, lunacy, salvation by vaccination, COVID culture
Speaker 3: was more important than the Tokyo Olympics. But now you
Speaker 3: can see their paganism and the anti Christian blasphemy is
Speaker 3: more important thing than a successful Olympics. Olympics are about sports,
Speaker 3: you would think, But notice how politics is intruding more
Speaker 3: and more.
Speaker 2: Now intriguingly, you.
Speaker 3: Might have noticed that Russia and Belarus are not allowed
Speaker 3: to take part in the Olympics in their own name,
Speaker 3: with the own flags, and they're not allowed to have
Speaker 3: the national anthem plate if any of them win anything.
Speaker 3: So they're they're as individuals, not under the country, the
Speaker 3: content march on the country's flag. Now, I find this
Speaker 3: interesting because throughout the entire Cold War, the Soviet Union
Speaker 3: was never excluded, even while they were oppressing and tormenting
Speaker 3: and murdering millions of their own citizens, and even while
Speaker 3: there so.
Speaker 4: That's the point.
Speaker 1: I had not heard anybody else to point that out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, just think that the Soviet Union was
Speaker 3: invading countries fermenting wars and terrorism all over the world.
Speaker 3: And when they invade Czechus Thevarki in nineteen sixty eight,
Speaker 3: when the invaded Hungary and nineteen fifty six, they were
Speaker 3: boycotted from the elections from the Olympics. So this is
Speaker 3: kind of interesting. But at the same time as the
Speaker 3: Soviet Union and Red China were watching in the Olympics
Speaker 3: with their red flags or their stars and hamazon sickles
Speaker 3: and so on, we and Rhodesia and South Afka were
Speaker 3: being boycotted from the Olympics. We couldn't take part because
Speaker 3: we were fighting for our lass against the same communist
Speaker 3: terrorism that the Soviet Union was sponsoring worldwide.
Speaker 2: Wow, and so little Refusia.
Speaker 3: And South Afka were not allowed to take part in
Speaker 3: the Olympics. For decades throughout the sixties and seventies and
Speaker 3: the eighties, we were being excluded from the Olympics. And
Speaker 3: to let politics in field with sports I think is
Speaker 3: so wrong. I don't think you should ever be boycotting
Speaker 3: a country because of the politics. The sportsmen should relate
Speaker 3: to participate, because isn't just what helps to less intentions
Speaker 3: and bring about reconciliation between nations and helps alleviate wars.
Speaker 3: When people can compete and meet with and interact with
Speaker 3: people of other nations that might be their political enemies,
Speaker 3: it is a good thing for the country. That's why
Speaker 3: we have student exchange programs and sports teams going across
Speaker 3: the world is a lot better than sending armies and bombers.
Speaker 2: Across the world.
Speaker 3: So I think the politicization of it is shameful, but
Speaker 3: the hypocrisy, the double standards is just so outrageous. How
Speaker 3: can the Olympic Committee exclude Russia now that they've escaped
Speaker 3: from communism, but they never boycott them when they were
Speaker 3: the most virulent, atheistic communist, aggressive nation, totalitarian state, smashing
Speaker 3: their neighbors and exporting terrorism and weapons of mass destruction
Speaker 3: all over the world. And we experienced it from us
Speaker 3: growing up because were in Rodisia. We're having a the
Speaker 3: million airline is shot down by Soviet Austrello missiles, heat
Speaker 3: seeking missiles, and the Samava has been cooked and eaten.
Speaker 3: I mean, for goodness sakes, what kind of a trustees
Speaker 3: And this sort of thing was going on in the
Speaker 3: seventies and re leasally couldn't go to the Olympics, but
Speaker 3: the Soviet Union could, so I must say I despised
Speaker 3: the International Olympic Committee's hypocrisy. You know, every kind of
Speaker 3: sin is bad, but the hypocrisy really offends God. And
Speaker 3: you can just read Mettic three to see what the
Speaker 3: Lord Jesus thinks of hypocrites, his speech against the scribes
Speaker 3: and Pharisees hypocrites all. And the committee is shocking in
Speaker 3: its hypocrisy, and the French government is discussing in a
Speaker 3: hypocrisy too, And for them to pretend that, you know,
Speaker 3: we're neutral when it comes to religion, and that note
Speaker 3: we never intended to offend anyone, and even light saying
Speaker 3: this wasn't meant to be based on the the leoodis
Speaker 3: aventual depiction of the last support, But people who participated
Speaker 3: in it said they knew that there were emulating the
Speaker 3: parading Leonardo da Vinci's iconic depiction of the Lord's upper
Speaker 3: and it was even on the program.
Speaker 2: So they lie, that's right, And then we're going to
Speaker 2: say intend to offend anyone. That's not true either.
Speaker 3: Because the person they chose to design it all was
Speaker 3: a well known LGBTQ plus pro Peter filiateup activists who
Speaker 3: they paid millions to produce this, and then he sayds them, says,
Speaker 3: I didn't mean to offend anyone.
Speaker 2: Of course he did.
Speaker 1: He said, sorry he got caught. Yeah, he's just sorry
Speaker 1: he got caught. You know the point that you were
Speaker 1: making too, And I didn't realize all those years that
Speaker 1: South Africa and Rhodesian anything were excluded from the Olympics.
Speaker 1: I remember though, the rabid competition between the US and
Speaker 1: Russia as to whom it got the most medals, and
Speaker 1: also with East Germany. You know, that was also a
Speaker 1: big part, and they weren't even total it up, you know,
Speaker 1: the countries behind the Iron Curtain versus the free countries,
Speaker 1: and here's how we're competing with medals and that type
Speaker 1: of thing. So it's always been a big nationalistic thing
Speaker 1: like that. It was always about the communists. But you're
Speaker 1: that's a very interesting point. They would allow the Communists
Speaker 1: to compete for that, but then when you were fighting
Speaker 1: the Communists they excluded you. Now you made a point
Speaker 1: about why don't we celebrate the heritage of life and
Speaker 1: liberty that have been the fruit of Christianity.
Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, because in fact, the only religion the world
Speaker 3: you're not to dinner grate is Christianity. Now, I think
Speaker 3: that's because it's only christian that's true, because they're not
Speaker 3: out there denigrating false religions. They're not out the dinner
Speaker 3: grating for example. Well, let's say, for example a kron
Speaker 3: or Muhammad. Well, first of all, that gets some serious
Speaker 3: violence back lash as they try to death. I mean,
Speaker 3: can you mention anyone trying to have ridiculing Muhammed or
Speaker 3: Islam in the opening of the Olympics.
Speaker 2: I mean unthinkable. Paris would be burning. So but they
Speaker 2: go to.
Speaker 4: Christian the energetic terror.
Speaker 1: My science is, when are they going to have a
Speaker 1: draw Mohammed opening at the ceremony they show how fair
Speaker 1: and even and they are. Yeah, they wouldn't do that,
Speaker 1: would they, especially not in Paris with all the migrants
Speaker 1: that they've got there.
Speaker 3: Now, I mean, can you I Mentionine having a depiction
Speaker 3: of Muhammad being a pig farmer or having a pig
Speaker 3: on his table.
Speaker 4: Or something like that. That's exactly I mean, why would they.
Speaker 3: Depict Jesus Christ as an obese trans woman and his
Speaker 3: disciples as a bunch of perverts and cross dresses and
Speaker 3: bearded woman, and you know, just the whole lgbt Q
Speaker 3: freak show, bizarre, and in a sense that's their evangelists.
Speaker 3: Jesus apostles are his evangelists. And the bread in the
Speaker 3: wines what's on the table symbolized his body broken on
Speaker 3: across his bloodshed for us, and so they replaced it
Speaker 3: with a pagan Greek god of the pauchery and wine.
Speaker 3: And you know he's a naked character vested in blue
Speaker 3: paints and blue. Yeah, it looks some people said it
Speaker 3: looks like the Smith. What on earth is this depiction?
Speaker 3: It's well, you know why he's blue as feces did.
Speaker 3: I mean it's a depiction as well. This is a
Speaker 3: did god, this Dynasius. But he symbolizes wine. I mean
Speaker 3: he's drunk himself to death basically. And this is where
Speaker 3: we should focus our visions of salvation, salvation incense, salvation
Speaker 3: through sin, not salvation from sin. We don't celebrate salvation,
Speaker 3: we celebrate sin. And this is what France and the
Speaker 3: EU and the New World Order actually do represent.
Speaker 2: Macron is right in it.
Speaker 3: They represent occotism, blesshem me, paganism, sabatanism. They love their
Speaker 3: sin they hate to say it.
Speaker 1: And it's also a war on women. As you were
Speaker 1: pointing out earlier, the women were not allowed to watch
Speaker 1: unless they were prostitutes or something, and under penalty of death,
Speaker 1: they would compete naked, but the women were kicked out.
Speaker 1: And so here we have a situation where you know,
Speaker 1: they had very violent fighting matches and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: but now we have women who compete in box, but
Speaker 1: now they're having men box the women. And so many
Speaker 1: people talked about that aspect how misogynistic it really is.
Speaker 1: At the very opening ceremony, they replaced it was supposed
Speaker 1: to be a man and a woman hold jointly holding
Speaker 1: a torch. Well they replace the woman with a tranny,
Speaker 1: and then they have some intersex guys who are beating
Speaker 1: up women and that sort of thing. But it is
Speaker 1: very misogynistic, and so the question is, you know, not
Speaker 1: only are they celebrating this culture that is pagan and
Speaker 1: debauched and everything, but it's also a very anti woman
Speaker 1: and you know, that culture of that religion, and that's
Speaker 1: supposed to be that another aspect of hypocrisy. They always
Speaker 1: claim they're for women, and yet when you look at this,
Speaker 1: it is very very anti women.
Speaker 3: Is in fact one of the way other feminists they
Speaker 3: meant to speak up for women, but in fact they've
Speaker 3: allowed trans men to be proclaimed women of the getting
Speaker 3: all kinds of women's awards.
Speaker 4: And then.
Speaker 2: Supporting a man, excuse me, a man beating a woman
Speaker 2: in face. I mean, that's that's just so disgusting. And
Speaker 2: this woman was terrified and you know, they were afraid
Speaker 2: she had a broken nose, and so on. How is
Speaker 2: this sports and we.
Speaker 3: Mentor categories, you know, male, female and different categories in
Speaker 3: terms of weight when comes to boxing on, so that
Speaker 3: it's fair.
Speaker 2: This is not fair. This is not just this is
Speaker 2: not sports.
Speaker 3: This is abusive woman and women are seeing they're sports invaded.
Speaker 3: There's safe places, even the changing rooms invaded. Women are
Speaker 3: being excluded. And what are you saying when men are
Speaker 3: taking women towards and even women in their award this
Speaker 3: and what the thing is nobody can be a woman
Speaker 3: as well as a man, can.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just ridiculous. That's it's so disgusting.
Speaker 1: I think the well, you pointing out a heritage, you
Speaker 1: point out the heritage of Christianity, and you said, you
Speaker 1: know in your essay you were talking about out how
Speaker 1: the athletes were professionals and sometimes you know they'll be
Speaker 1: highly paid, as our professional athletes are today, but many
Speaker 1: times part of the compensation would be to be given
Speaker 1: a slave. Well, it was Christianity that abolished slavery, so
Speaker 1: the only culture that has abolished slavery, and slavery still
Speaker 1: exists in Muslim countries and that sort of thing to
Speaker 1: this day. But we also Christians abolished and fanticide, which
Speaker 1: these same people are bringing back. And then on the
Speaker 1: other side, Christians creating hospitals, libraries, universities, and colleges. These
Speaker 1: are the types of things that you know, it is
Speaker 1: anithetical to what they're doing, and yet they celebrate. We
Speaker 1: look at those things and we said, well, those are
Speaker 1: all good things. To save the babies and to recognize
Speaker 1: that women are equal to men before God. We have
Speaker 1: different roles, but they are equal in the side of God.
Speaker 1: That was a very radical change for the pagan world,
Speaker 1: wasn't it.
Speaker 3: Yes, You know, to study what the world was like
Speaker 3: before the time, across the world before the time, a
Speaker 3: crust was a world without charity, without kindness to strangers.
Speaker 3: It was a world without compassion or even respect for women.
Speaker 3: Women were treated as lower than slaves. And you know,
Speaker 3: no Hollywood film there's justice to the life of women
Speaker 3: before Christianity, because they will depict the woman walking around
Speaker 3: freely with open face in Roman and Athens and Sombers. Actually,
Speaker 3: no woman was allowed to walk around on their own
Speaker 3: in the ancient Roman and Athens. They had to go
Speaker 3: under male guardianship, even if it was a male slave.
Speaker 3: But a woman, even a free woman, a princess, couldn't
Speaker 3: walk around on her own. She didn't have that freedom.
Speaker 3: She always was under male control. They weren't allowed to
Speaker 3: even attend meals and own home without special permission. They
Speaker 3: were just meant to be busting around the kitchen and
Speaker 3: serving and that to be in their quarters. And there
Speaker 3: was such a lot of abusive women. Women couldn't walk
Speaker 3: sided with ut baring a veil. And this you wouldn't
Speaker 3: notice from the Hollywood films, because which actress wants to
Speaker 3: walk arounder the face obscured in these movies. But you know,
Speaker 3: if they were taking the ancient Rome or ancient Greece streets,
Speaker 3: they wouldn't have had these women walking around with their
Speaker 3: head and hair and face uncovered. They were compelled to
Speaker 3: be covered by law, they could get the death penalty
Speaker 3: for not bearing a veil, and you think that's only Islamic.
Speaker 3: That's the way the whole world was. Greek Romans before Christianity.
Speaker 3: Christianity deliberately worked to free women on every level. And
Speaker 3: just think of how the Gospel, the message of the
Speaker 3: Resurrection was first proclaimed by a woman. The first convert
Speaker 3: in Europe was a woman, Lidia. And you think how
Speaker 3: Mary Magnil was the first at the two men, the
Speaker 3: first to proclaim the resurrection. And Christianity gave women worth
Speaker 3: and respect that had never existed before. And only Christianity
Speaker 3: brought an into slavery. To think every practice slavery and
Speaker 3: human sacrificed, even to Rome and Greece, which is so
Speaker 3: well thought of. They were sacrificing not only strangers and slaves,
Speaker 3: even sacrificing their own children or wives on occasion. You
Speaker 3: think of how Agamen sacrifices and daughter at the beginning
Speaker 3: of the siege on Troy and in order to bring
Speaker 3: victory and favorable waves.
Speaker 4: Soon.
Speaker 3: So there's these Greek kings and Roman kings. They were
Speaker 3: doing all kinds of hideous things human sacrifices. Sherely sees
Speaker 3: it that human sacrifices on occasion, and so on, and
Speaker 3: now the world has something of a selective memory, and
Speaker 3: and now idealizes these pre Christian pagan societies of Greek
Speaker 3: and Rome and the Olympics, for example, But they don't
Speaker 3: recognize how Christianity has brought about everything good in this world.
Speaker 2: We would not want to live in.
Speaker 3: This world if it hadn't been for Jesus Christ and
Speaker 3: influence he and as followers and teachings have made on
Speaker 3: this world. If you just look at literacy universities, you
Speaker 3: need verity us.
Speaker 2: The very name, the.
Speaker 3: Etymologia of the word univillitus tests to christian Ologists. Most
Speaker 3: university profess today don't even believe in truth or one
Speaker 3: truth or that can be known. So I think the
Speaker 3: Pagans of today they should open up diversities, a versities,
Speaker 3: poly versities, but a university by definition should be Christian.
Speaker 3: It's Christians pioneered the universities, many cases ministers and missionaries.
Speaker 4: By the way.
Speaker 3: In fact, even the whole Slavic language in alphabet was
Speaker 3: set to writing created by Christian missionies to Russia. So
Speaker 3: the whole Slavic alphabet. When the Communists used to write
Speaker 3: out their dates and so on, they were having to
Speaker 3: use an alphabet designed by Christians. And even today when
Speaker 3: we speak by Paris Olympics twenty twenty four, twenty twenty four,
Speaker 3: what yes, Lord, even the dates tests pars to the
Speaker 3: centrality of plus. We haven't built our dating system on
Speaker 3: the birth of Julius Caesar, or Muhammad or anyone else.
Speaker 2: It's or Colin Mark.
Speaker 3: Dating system is on Jesus Christ, the most important person
Speaker 3: who ever lived. He split the river of the ages
Speaker 3: asunday here is the hymne of history. All of history
Speaker 3: is dated BC before Christ and Antidomity in the year
Speaker 3: of our Lord AD. And they might even try to
Speaker 3: change it out to BCE and CE, but it's still
Speaker 3: centered around the life of Jesus Christ. He is the
Speaker 3: one who split our dating system into going backwards in
Speaker 3: BC and FORD and AD. So even the very name
Speaker 3: Paras Olympics twenty twenty four tests fast to Christ. Every atheist,
Speaker 3: pagan and blasphema tests fast to the centransit of chrust
Speaker 3: when a rite to date, and even the fact that
Speaker 3: we have a seven day week is because of the
Speaker 3: acts of creation. God created the world in six days
Speaker 3: in the rest in the seventies. The very name restaurant,
Speaker 3: it first came from Paris, and it came from the
Speaker 3: scripture Matthew eleven twenty eight, coming to me, all you're
Speaker 3: very in heavy light, and I will give you rest.
Speaker 3: The whole scripture is put on the outside of the
Speaker 3: first establishment for easy in a pleasant environment. And over
Speaker 3: the years they shortened it to restaurant, which of course
Speaker 3: it's all the French. But the very term restaurant tests
Speaker 3: for us to this came from Christianity. And there's so
Speaker 3: many things that in our society we take for granted,
Speaker 3: like if you say goodbye, it comes from the older English,
Speaker 3: God be with you. That's why the spelling is so
Speaker 3: you know, it's an English prayer, God go with you.
Speaker 3: And in fact, if you go to Austria today they
Speaker 3: greet you with bruesport or greetings in God. In Switzerland'
Speaker 3: abbreviate to Gritsy and so again again you can see
Speaker 3: Christianity is throughout our Western societies and they're forgetting it.
Speaker 3: In fact, they're not forgetting it, they deliberately trying to
Speaker 3: obscure it and denigrate it and replace it with debauchery.
Speaker 3: There's a consistent effort in Europe, especially by the EU.
Speaker 2: Just think of that.
Speaker 3: European Union has built their parliament in Strasburg, and I've
Speaker 3: been there.
Speaker 2: It's like the Tower of Babel.
Speaker 3: It's an incomplete building with the even the scaffolding on
Speaker 3: the outside. It's based on Google's depiction of the town Babel,
Speaker 3: who is a Belgian artist. And you go to Brussels
Speaker 3: in a pinia too, they've got a statue outside the
Speaker 3: EU building of a woman writing a beast for goodness
Speaker 3: s a woman writing a piast?
Speaker 2: Why would you do that?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And he's of antiprost.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 1: Even Richard Dawkins recently was saying, you know, he still
Speaker 1: doesn't like Christianity, but he really likes the fruit of Christianity.
Speaker 1: You know, let's cut down the tree, but let's try
Speaker 1: to keep the fruit somehow. And Elon Musk in many
Speaker 1: ways said similar things, not as not as direct and
Speaker 1: as you know, spreading it out like Dawkins said, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I love the culture of the Christians, and I love
Speaker 1: the cathedrals, and I love the you know, Christmas music
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, but that is the type of
Speaker 1: thing people. Here's the key, and this is what I
Speaker 1: liked about your essay. If you go back and you
Speaker 1: look at the original Pagan Olympics, it tells you so
Speaker 1: much about their society. And if we look at that
Speaker 1: and what the elites are pushing towards, pushing us towards,
Speaker 1: we can see what they admire, and we can see
Speaker 1: that what they want to do is take us back
Speaker 1: to that kind of a situation where there's a few
Speaker 1: people running everything and the rest of us are poor
Speaker 1: and slaves and living in mud huts. That really is
Speaker 1: what they're doing, and of course exercising that against a
Speaker 1: lot of the athletes in terms of removing their air conditioning,
Speaker 1: removing meat for the most part, having them sleeping on
Speaker 1: cardboard beds, and all the rest of this stuff. They
Speaker 1: want austerity, they want slavery, and that's what we're going
Speaker 1: to get with this kind of pagan society. So I
Speaker 1: think it is very interesting to go back and look
Speaker 1: at what these people admire and what they worship and
Speaker 1: the kind of society that they want to take us into.
Speaker 1: An I think that is all there to some degree
Speaker 1: in the Olympics.
Speaker 4: What do you think it is.
Speaker 3: I think you know, what we're seeing is the powers
Speaker 3: that should not be of putting on display what they
Speaker 3: want as a globalist religion. Now bear in mind Revelation
Speaker 3: thirteen warns us of a one world government with a
Speaker 3: one world economic system and a one world interfaith's religion.
Speaker 3: And so they have it in Revelation thirteen wanting the
Speaker 3: beast is wanting to.
Speaker 2: Impose a one world religion.
Speaker 3: And what's standing in a way, Well, those obnoxious individuals
Speaker 3: to say, my conscience is captive word of God, Jesus
Speaker 3: is the way, the truth in life. No one comes
Speaker 3: the Father. But then they don't want that. They hate Christianity.
Speaker 3: Christianity is true, and Christianity, of course, teachers that leaders
Speaker 3: should be servants, the very constant of civil servants. I
Speaker 3: mean very fact that Britain has a prime minister. A
Speaker 3: minister means a deacon, a servant. So the prime minister
Speaker 3: is the first servant. And you've got cabinet ministers who
Speaker 3: used to sign the letters to your humble servants. This
Speaker 3: comes from Jesus teaching that the lords of the gentiles,
Speaker 3: they lorded over them, and they call themselves benefactors. But
Speaker 3: it is not to be like that. With you the
Speaker 3: greatest amongst, you must be like the least, and like
Speaker 3: the youngest. You should be the servant of all. And
Speaker 3: so Jesus taught servant leadership, and he modeled servant leadership.
Speaker 3: I mean, the Lord got on his knees, took a
Speaker 3: towel and cleaned the feet of his servants when his
Speaker 3: disciples when people walking with sandals through streets that were
Speaker 3: dusty and dirty and filthy, and you know donkeys and
Speaker 3: horses walking around, and you can imagine it would have
Speaker 3: been a dirty job to clean people's feet when they
Speaker 3: came into the house. You'd normally leave your sandals at
Speaker 3: the door, but now you're sitting on couches for eating,
Speaker 3: so you know that one person says close to that
Speaker 3: person's feet, and they want to have clean feet, especially
Speaker 3: for the meal time, the lorst lasts supper. The Lord
Speaker 3: does the humblest task. And this is this is the
Speaker 3: leadership of a Christian. The Christian leader leads from the front,
Speaker 3: He leads by example, and he serves. And that is
Speaker 3: even a Christian concept that we don't have big chiefs
Speaker 3: emperors who you know, cost the instructions and like the
Speaker 3: pope who expects people to kiss his toes and things
Speaker 3: like that. No, Christian leadership is servant leadership, where we
Speaker 3: care for the people. You do it as under the
Speaker 3: least of these you've done to me. And so why
Speaker 3: would Christianity not be respected and why would people not
Speaker 3: be grateful to it? But no, at the Olympics, they're
Speaker 3: choosing every single Olympics to celebrate the pagan religions which
Speaker 3: all abused women, were involved in, animal cruelty, human sacrifices,
Speaker 3: occultism and paganism. Why would they want to replace Christianity
Speaker 3: with paganism? And you know who if today wants to
Speaker 3: say I think slavery is a good thing, I think
Speaker 3: abusive women is a good thing, Well they might think it,
Speaker 3: but they're not going to easily say it. But they
Speaker 3: want to celebrate and lift up that which is pro
Speaker 3: slavery and pro debauchery and paganism and abusive woman. And
Speaker 3: that shows you, as you said earlier, that's the hidden goal.
Speaker 3: They must like that. You wouldn't be lifting up and
Speaker 3: worshiping it if you don't think it's good and a model.
Speaker 3: And what if you want for the future you I'm
Speaker 3: not going to spend in some cases one hundred one
Speaker 3: hundred million pounds or one hundred million euros on opening
Speaker 3: ceremonies if it wasn't presenting the message you want. I
Speaker 3: wouldn't spend a dime on a printing job or any
Speaker 3: project that didn't draw offy price and present the Solar
Speaker 3: scripture a personal beliefs that are at the hearts of
Speaker 3: my faith. And I can begt that these pagans are
Speaker 3: not going to be putting one hundred million euros into
Speaker 3: something that that don't wholeheartedly agree with. And just like
Speaker 3: I proof read every single line in letter over and
Speaker 3: over before I give the authorization for the printer to
Speaker 3: go ahead with the print job I want done, there's
Speaker 3: no way that these powers that be didn't approve everything
Speaker 3: of this Olympic before. Somebody thought of this golden cough.
Speaker 3: Somebody thought of this pale writer. Somebody thought of a
Speaker 3: decaptured Mary Internet walking around with her head under arm,
Speaker 3: and things like this. Somebody thought of let's put some
Speaker 3: trans women in the place of Jesus, and let's put
Speaker 3: a bunch of freaks in LGBTQ bearded women, and things
Speaker 3: like this. With a child, my dear. I mean, what's
Speaker 3: a drag queen without a child in this last subject?
Speaker 3: And somebody thought to this, and everybody signed off for us.
Speaker 3: The President of France, the Mayor of Paris, probably the
Speaker 3: whole City Council, the whole IOC, the must have all
Speaker 3: approved us ahead of time. It wouldn't have gone ahead
Speaker 3: without their approval, all the way up to national and international.
Speaker 3: So this what they're telling us is, this is what
Speaker 3: we believe, is what we stand for. This is what
Speaker 3: we want, which includes nothing but contempt for Christianity, not
Speaker 3: even an acknowledgment of Christianity, as depicted in the Notre
Speaker 3: Dame and the Notre Dame cathedral.
Speaker 4: I've been.
Speaker 3: There's a magnificent cathedral stood for a thousand years. It's
Speaker 3: burned down. Interesting, while Notre Dame was burning, it was
Speaker 3: while it was still burning, President Macron said, Arston has been.
Speaker 3: It's not as others. In a fibergate, you cannot determine that.
Speaker 3: You cannot determine the cause of a fire before the
Speaker 3: fire is out. It takes a lot of forensics afterwards.
Speaker 3: And in the fibergate we were often being rushed to
Speaker 3: give a verdict. We would not give a verdict until
Speaker 3: we had examined the evidence. And yet the Paris fire
Speaker 3: department and police department not allowed to investigate. They were
Speaker 3: just told that and the president said, we've ruled out Arsen.
Speaker 3: That was a year where there were a thousand two
Speaker 3: hundred attacks on churches in France in one year, a
Speaker 3: thousand two hundred, and that's churches desecrated, bond burned, damage
Speaker 3: in different ways, all by Muslim je artists, but not
Speaker 3: to damn the most iconic picture of Paris, the greatest
Speaker 3: architectural masterpiece in France. That was definitely not Arsen, I
Speaker 3: said the present. So they just could not afford to
Speaker 3: allow people to see this is the fruit of our multiculturalism,
Speaker 3: bringing people hate Christianity and so on. And they had
Speaker 3: spaces of arson attack it yet and that just does
Speaker 3: not to them. You can't even look there. For us,
Speaker 3: it's not awesome, ruled out. The fireman was still fighting
Speaker 3: the fire, the fires were still blazing, and Chris McConn
Speaker 3: really put it down, this is not awesome.
Speaker 4: We've ruled it out.
Speaker 3: And how could they on a political basis, but not
Speaker 3: in a forensic basis, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: Well, and of course the true arseness was Macron himself.
Speaker 1: He wants to burn down the country and he knows
Speaker 1: he can do it with the migrants and the policies
Speaker 1: that they have. But it truly is amazing. And you know,
Speaker 1: we've had again several people recently from Dawkins to Elon
Speaker 1: Musk talking about the fruit of Christianity, but of course
Speaker 1: they reject the root of Christianity. You can't have Christianity
Speaker 1: without Christ. You can't have Christianity without the Bible. They
Speaker 1: don't want any of that morality. They don't want Christ
Speaker 1: at the center of this. And we can see if
Speaker 1: we look back where this is all taking us in
Speaker 1: the future, if we go down that dark path. It's
Speaker 1: great talking to you and very insightful. I really enjoyed
Speaker 1: listening to you. And let me give your website again.
Speaker 1: And is it mission plural or mission singular? Frontline mission?
Speaker 1: Miss bookland mission is a okay, frontline mission s A
Speaker 1: dot org is where people can go to find your
Speaker 1: books that you have there as well as to keep
Speaker 1: up with the busy life and ministry that you've got
Speaker 1: going there in South Africa. And it truly is amazing
Speaker 1: all the different places that you have gone uh in
Speaker 1: hostile areas that you have gone in terms of Marxists
Speaker 1: as well as Muslims, and the different areas and amazing
Speaker 1: stories that you've got about how God has taken his
Speaker 1: word in different places. And so I really do appreciate
Speaker 1: your faithfulness and fearlessness and putting that out there and
Speaker 1: taking it into these dark areas. We just have to
Speaker 1: make sure that we keep the lights on here at
Speaker 1: home as well.
Speaker 4: Right at starting to go.
Speaker 3: Out, I'm getting deeply concerned for the West, and I
Speaker 3: think back to how Gineral William Booth wrote the book
Speaker 3: in Darkest England back in eighteen hundreds, but I think
Speaker 3: that's more true now. So much in the West, the
Speaker 3: capitals of the West, France and Britain are turning away
Speaker 3: from Christ and turning deliberately to paganism. Atheism is long
Speaker 3: anything but Christianity. And I'm deeply concerned in the United States,
Speaker 3: and your whole future is at stake, and I trust
Speaker 3: that people are praying for a biblical return. We need
Speaker 3: it back to the Bible Reformation. We need a heaven
Speaker 3: send holy Spirit and powered revival.
Speaker 1: That's right, We've going to come from the bottom up.
Speaker 1: It's going to start with each and every one of us,
Speaker 1: and so that's us to start with us family, you know,
Speaker 1: and then moves up to the government.
Speaker 3: That truly is there's no salvation in politics. Anyone who's
Speaker 3: waiting for the government to save us is definitely deluded.
Speaker 3: We've got to start on the ground, up streets, evangelism,
Speaker 3: personal prayer, family by family devotions, one individual at a time.
Speaker 3: We've got to win our countries back to Christ. Europe
Speaker 3: became Christian by the who hard of missionies like Bonifest
Speaker 3: and evangelists like George Whitfield and John Wesley. We've got
Speaker 3: to have these hard core of angelists, the deal moodies
Speaker 3: that transprigents. We need dedicated servants of God, and we
Speaker 3: need the foot soldiers on the ground too, winning neighbors,
Speaker 3: friends and families to Christ. We've got to work very
Speaker 3: vigorously because our whole civilization is in danger of falling
Speaker 3: to chaos and paganism. We don't want ad age of paganism.
Speaker 3: We want to go further into the future in the
Speaker 3: lights of Christ. And I think you've just seen in
Speaker 3: Paris some of the darkness, including a full on blackout
Speaker 3: across the whole city of Paris the day after the
Speaker 3: mocking of Christ at the insane opening Cerebonies.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that was interesting, wasn't like that?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? So, yeah, it is. It's going to be done
Speaker 1: one by one. They want to they want to destroy
Speaker 1: the family. Men need to take the leadership in this.
Speaker 1: But the hand that rocks the cradle rules of the world.
Speaker 1: As I used to always say, that's why they don't
Speaker 1: want families. They don't want motherhood. Motherhood is devalued like
Speaker 1: everything else. But that's that's the important thing. So we
Speaker 1: take it back from the bottom up. We take it
Speaker 1: back with our relationship with Christ, our family's relationship with Christ.
Speaker 1: Frontline missionsa dot Org. Thank you so much, Peter Hamman
Speaker 1: appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: And if I can say last words here and that
Speaker 3: is the best way for you to revolt against this revolting,
Speaker 3: disgusting New World disorder is to be straight, get converted,
Speaker 3: love Christ, study your Bible, get married, have lots of children,
Speaker 3: homeschool them. I mean, this is this is the way
Speaker 3: that we will beat the New World order. When we
Speaker 3: you know, they want you to abandon Christ. We embrace Christ.
Speaker 3: They want you to keep quiet, we will preach the gospel.
Speaker 3: They don't want you to pray. We will pray. So
Speaker 3: the thing is whatever the state and the globalist new
Speaker 3: world order in Hollywood's telling you to do do the opposites.
Speaker 3: And that's a pretty good rule of something.
Speaker 1: That's the way to do it. Thank you so much, Peter,
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Have a get Thank you, David, Thank you,
Speaker 1: God bless you. AI parenting tips these are the you know,
Speaker 1: this is the AI that's going to make decisions about
Speaker 1: whether or not you should be able to get a
Speaker 1: home loan or move into a rental place, all these
Speaker 1: types of things. And the question is about Google's AI
Speaker 1: telling parents giving parents a tip on how to potty
Speaker 1: train their young children, telling them that they need to
Speaker 1: smear poop on a balloon. I think smearing poop on
Speaker 1: a balloon is why you potty train them. How to
Speaker 1: teach wiping during potty training, the AI says, make it fun.
Speaker 1: You can try a balloon bathroom activity where you put
Speaker 1: a little poo on a balloon and then tape it
Speaker 1: to a chair. Have your child practice reaching around to
Speaker 1: wipe the balloon. Well, this may be a excrement hits
Speaker 1: the fan scenario. That thing pops right the idea, And
Speaker 1: where did it get this idea? It looked at a
Speaker 1: video that's out there that is one of the high
Speaker 1: ranking videos, and what the person was doing was they
Speaker 1: were showing shaving cream or they were showing peanut butter
Speaker 1: or something like that. I mean, put this on the
Speaker 1: balloon and teach your kid about wiping, you know, using
Speaker 1: this Pooh you know, quote unquote Pooh. Well AI didn't
Speaker 1: get the fact that that was not actually Pooh, first
Speaker 1: of all. Secondly, I don't know who came up with
Speaker 1: this kind of crazy idea anyway. I mean, do you
Speaker 1: really need to you really need to model wiping by
Speaker 1: putting I don't think you're gonna need to do this, Dravis.
Speaker 1: I'm not giving you any parenting tips here, but I
Speaker 1: except I would say, this is absolutely not the way
Speaker 1: it has been taught for many, many generations. If you
Speaker 1: do this and it worked out for you, that's fine.
Speaker 1: Don't write meaning letters. I don't want to know. But
Speaker 1: they emphasized shaving cream or peanut butter. But Google AI
Speaker 1: did not get that memo. So when we asked Google
Speaker 1: point blank whether it was a good idea to wipe
Speaker 1: poop on a balloon. It said yes, and then it
Speaker 1: broke down the balloon method in detail, telling us that
Speaker 1: we should use a little bit of poop, start with
Speaker 1: a small amount of poop, yeah, and then you can
Speaker 1: build up two big amounts of poop until it pops.
Speaker 1: And so again, it came from it's misunderstanding. But those
Speaker 1: are the that's what we should have making decisions. And
Speaker 1: in Nevada they've always California grabbing nuisance, wants to do
Speaker 1: it for a lot of different departments. But in Nevada
Speaker 1: they've already started putting AI in charge of deciding whether
Speaker 1: or not somebody should be able to get unemployment benefits
Speaker 1: and paid Google. The same people are telling you to
Speaker 1: put poop on a balloon. They got these wonderful experts
Speaker 1: with their science, you know, the science like PCR stuff
Speaker 1: and everything. And here's the problem, these kind of decisions.
Speaker 1: As they bring in artificial intelligence into government, into banking,
Speaker 1: into you know, rental property owns, AI is going to
Speaker 1: rapidly be seen as unchallengeable because hey, it's an expert,
Speaker 1: it's the computer, it's science, right, it's all. And fifty
Speaker 1: years ago they were telling people don't trust this simply
Speaker 1: because you got a computer print out, garbage in, garbage out,
Speaker 1: just because somebody did a computer model or a program
Speaker 1: that does make it right. This does not have some
Speaker 1: special anointing from God because it's a computer print out,
Speaker 1: you know, with somebody who put that in for as
Speaker 1: a human who put that in there, and they all
Speaker 1: humans are putting all kinds of bias and nonsense into
Speaker 1: the AI stuff as well. But nevertheless, that memo, just
Speaker 1: like the usual poop on the balloon, the fact that
Speaker 1: you don't give real credibility to these computer print outs,
Speaker 1: that's somehow been lost on people. That's harder to understand
Speaker 1: than the fact that the AI would think that it
Speaker 1: was real poop on the balloon. People think that this
Speaker 1: is real truth because it came out of a computer.
Speaker 1: All right, welcome back and joining us now is Jay
Speaker 1: Warner Wallace. He's been a guest once before. We've talked
Speaker 1: about his background. He was a cold case detective. This
Speaker 1: is somebody who goes back and investigates murder cases, things
Speaker 1: that don't have a statud limitations, murder cases where perhaps
Speaker 1: all the witnesses have died and he's just going back
Speaker 1: looking at the physical evidence of it. He's now written
Speaker 1: a book called The Truth and True Crime, and I
Speaker 1: love the tagline here, when investigating death teaches us about
Speaker 1: the meaning of life. It looks like a fantastic book,
Speaker 1: and so I wanted to get him on to talk
Speaker 1: about that one as well.
Speaker 4: Thank you for joining us, sir.
Speaker 5: Well, thanks for having me. I really appreciate. This is
Speaker 5: my favorite book I've written so far, so I'm glad
Speaker 5: to talk about it.
Speaker 1: Oh, it looks like a great angle, and you know,
Speaker 1: and something that you know really affects all of us,
Speaker 1: and everybody loves the crime aspect, and the things that
Speaker 1: you glean from it too are really interesting.
Speaker 5: I think, Yeah, I think there's actually some hidden Like
Speaker 5: I was not a Christian through all my career, but
Speaker 5: to you know, the first eight years or so, I
Speaker 5: was not a believer until I was thirty five. I
Speaker 5: became a believer by examining the Gospels kind of from
Speaker 5: a forensic perspective. How do we know or why would
Speaker 5: we trust if we tested these people was eyewitnesses. Why
Speaker 5: would we even think Number one, that they are written
Speaker 5: by eyewitnesses or even anybody who had access to eyewitnesses?
Speaker 5: And if you did believe that, how would you test
Speaker 5: them to see if they could pass the test? Now,
Speaker 5: once I was in I started to look at human
Speaker 5: behavior a little bit differently. Right, if you work murders,
Speaker 5: you are seeing people at their rawest point, the point
Speaker 5: at which all of the kind of bars are off.
Speaker 5: I mean, this is Sadly, when you get to the
Speaker 5: point where you're willing to do something crazy like this,
Speaker 5: it's probably because you've been pushed to a certain limit
Speaker 5: and your true nature is now going to be revealed,
Speaker 5: and it really, I think, exposes all of our true nature.
Speaker 5: So I wanted to write a book that has talked
Speaker 5: about like, what are these attributes fifteen attributes of human
Speaker 5: flourishing that I discovered in fifteen separate crime stories, and
Speaker 5: then talk about you know, is that something number one
Speaker 5: that Yeah, secular people, they do studies on this and
Speaker 5: they confirmed that this is these are fifteen things that
Speaker 5: if you simply embrace these fifteen principles you will have
Speaker 5: a better life. But it turns out these are fifteen
Speaker 5: ancient descriptions of human nature from scripture that people, for
Speaker 5: the most part, think they're discovering them. In the last
Speaker 5: three three decades, when in fact, these have been on
Speaker 5: the pages of the New Testament for two thousand years.
Speaker 5: And so I really wanted to do a book where
Speaker 5: I kind of demonstrated.
Speaker 1: That that's amazing. Yeah, it's And why did you do
Speaker 1: a forensic investigation of Christianity in the first place.
Speaker 5: Well, I was thirty five, so I was probably about
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety five or six, right in that range. It
Speaker 5: took me about eighteen months, I would say, to complete
Speaker 5: that stuff. That was I was so skeptical and not
Speaker 5: raised around Christians or anybody really believed in God in
Speaker 5: a way they could articulate. So I didn't have like
Speaker 5: a leg up like somebody who could say, hey, look
Speaker 5: at this or look at that. I had to commit
Speaker 5: a raw and so I bought my first Bible. I
Speaker 5: was thirty five, and it took me a while to
Speaker 5: kind of go through the Gospels, and I was just
Speaker 5: tearing them apart from just word usage, you know, all
Speaker 5: the attributes. I wrote about this in a book called
Speaker 5: Cold Case Christianity, and that book just kind of covers
Speaker 5: that journey. But that's something that'll get you to the
Speaker 5: point where you might believe it's true. Look, I think
Speaker 5: that as a boomer, as somebody who's older, I have
Speaker 5: a high value for whether something is true or not,
Speaker 5: and there are people in my generation would probably agree,
Speaker 5: But I don't know that that's the case for young
Speaker 5: people Gen Z and millennials. I think they're not as
Speaker 5: concerned about whether something's true because they've co opted that
Speaker 5: word that war doesn't mean it's true anymore. It means
Speaker 5: it's true for me.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 5: It's true based on my lived experience, or it's true
Speaker 5: based on how I have applied it to my life.
Speaker 5: Doesn't mean it's true for them.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 5: When I use the word true, I'm using it in
Speaker 5: a more objective way. But it's true for all of us,
Speaker 5: whether we like it or not. I think that this
Speaker 5: generation I'm talking to now is more concerned about whether
Speaker 5: or not it's good because they believe they've been sold
Speaker 5: by the culture that Christianity is the source behind every
Speaker 5: evil intent, misogyny, racism, homophobia, whatever it may be. It's
Speaker 5: really they are going to attribute to it to this
Speaker 5: traditional Western culture worldview that we hold as Christians. So
Speaker 5: I wanted to show that, Yeah, but if you didn't
Speaker 5: believe in Christianity, you're probably already employing its teaching if
Speaker 5: you're flourishing, and the more you detach from its teaching,
Speaker 5: the more you're going to struggle. So I just look,
Speaker 5: this is what we're seeing in culture, And so I
Speaker 5: wrote a book this time which really looks at all
Speaker 5: of the data. So most of my books I spent
Speaker 5: a lot of time researching. And although this book has
Speaker 5: about fifty pages in the printed edition of footnotes, there
Speaker 5: are two hundred pages in the PDF file we provide online.
Speaker 5: Why because I want you to see that if I'm
Speaker 5: making this claim, it's supported by the data. But it
Speaker 5: turns out that that data simply supports what was claimed
Speaker 5: in Scripture two thousand years ago. So it's eye opening
Speaker 5: for me to realize that our human It makes sense though.
Speaker 5: Think about it. If we are designed by a creator
Speaker 5: God who knows something about us, and we are in
Speaker 5: his image, then it turns out that that book we
Speaker 5: have called Scripture called the Bible, ought to describe us
Speaker 5: the way we really are. Yes, And if it does
Speaker 5: describe us the way we really are, you could consider
Speaker 5: that at least I was listening to a pundit who
Speaker 5: usually talks about politics recently, who's Jewish, and when asked
Speaker 5: when he defends why he's Jewish, he says, well, because
Speaker 5: it turns out that these principles work. M Oh, that's interesting,
Speaker 5: and he sees that as an evidence that the worldview
Speaker 5: is true. Okay, And by the way, that may or
Speaker 5: may not be an evidence that your worldview is true.
Speaker 5: But it strikes me that if your worldview is true,
Speaker 5: it ought to describe you the way you really are.
Speaker 5: And so in that sense, it could provide you with
Speaker 5: some insight into your human nature and how you could flourish.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be necessary, not necessarily sufficient, but it
Speaker 1: would be necessary for that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, true, right, that's right, exactly right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the most surprising thing that you found out
Speaker 1: about human being?
Speaker 4: And investigating this?
Speaker 5: Well, so every chapter is a crime story, right. So
Speaker 5: in one of these stories, I talk about celebrity and
Speaker 5: how sometimes when you are a local, especially in the
Speaker 5: gang cultures, if you're somebody who's known locally, you kind
Speaker 5: of become like a celebrity in your own neighborhood or
Speaker 5: at least in your own click or your own gang.
Speaker 5: And I've got one of these stories here to show
Speaker 5: how detrimental our pursuit of celebrity is. And the reason
Speaker 5: why I wrote that chapter is because I don't think
Speaker 5: it's just it's not just a few of us who
Speaker 5: are seeking celebrity anymore. I mean, there are no gatekeepers.
Speaker 5: You know this, even think about it. We are able
Speaker 5: not to develop our own personal platforms without a gatekeeper
Speaker 5: at NBC, ABC or CBS that used to be or
Speaker 5: Salem right whatever the radio station was that used to
Speaker 5: be the gate cape keepers that kept people from becoming
Speaker 5: a celebrity. Those are gone. So now all of us,
Speaker 5: if we can develop a following, we can make it
Speaker 5: from zero to a million listeners without any support. And
Speaker 5: that's where I think we have to be careful. It
Speaker 5: turns out the one of the most powerful attributes that
Speaker 5: we could adopt as humans that would change your life.
Speaker 5: As a matter of fact, if you simply embraced this virtue,
Speaker 5: you will have increased flourishing in every single metric that
Speaker 5: we use to actually measure human flourishing, longevity, mental health,
Speaker 5: physical health, the deepness of your relationships. That will improve
Speaker 5: your marriage. I'll make you a better employer, a better employee.
Speaker 5: You'll learn at a higher level, you'll get better grades,
Speaker 5: you'll make more money. I mean, every way that we
Speaker 5: measure flourishing improves if you simply adopt this one thing,
Speaker 5: and it's really the opposite of celebrity. It is the
Speaker 5: attribute we know as humility. Now, they've been studying this
Speaker 5: for about three decades and looking at all kinds of
Speaker 5: studies that are out there that talks about how humble
Speaker 5: people succeed at levels that are far higher than the
Speaker 5: rest of us, and why that might be true. Okay, fine,
Speaker 5: but it turns out that humility is one of those.
Speaker 5: I think if I ask people, hey, what do you
Speaker 5: think the one attribute you could adopt that would help
Speaker 5: you in every aspect of your life at a higher
Speaker 5: level than anything else, I don't think many people would
Speaker 5: come up with humility. Yeah, but it turns out, yeah,
Speaker 5: it is actually the thing we need to embrace. Now,
Speaker 5: what's interesting about that. Think about every worldview that's out there,
Speaker 5: None of them leverage humility, like the Christian worldview. What
Speaker 5: I mean is, if your theistic worldview, your spiritual worldview,
Speaker 5: encourages you to do these certain things to reach the
Speaker 5: highest level that your spiritual worldview offers. In other words,
Speaker 5: if it is about earning something, it's a transaction between
Speaker 5: you and God, a transaction between you and the universe.
Speaker 5: There's no way to avoid pride in that kind of
Speaker 5: a system, because at some point you're going to look
Speaker 5: across the room and say, I'm doing better than that did.
Speaker 5: We measure based on our achievements, right. And I have
Speaker 5: a friend who's now no longer with this name, Mike Adams.
Speaker 5: Mike and I would travel and do a lot of
Speaker 5: events together, and he used to always tease Hey. Ill
Speaker 5: writ in this book how to become a humble in
Speaker 5: ten easy steps and how I made it in eight
Speaker 5: You know, it's like this, there's no way that you
Speaker 5: can pursue humility without at some point doing just the
Speaker 5: opposite and becoming prideful. So it turns out that humility
Speaker 5: is something you It's an assessment. Spurgeon calls it the
Speaker 5: proper assessment of who we are before a holy God.
Speaker 5: Now Christianity leverages this because it's the one worldview that says, no,
Speaker 5: it's not a transaction. There's nothing you can do to
Speaker 5: earn this. As a matter of fact, if whatever the
Speaker 5: highest thing you think you hope to achieve in your
Speaker 5: worldview is, we're going to give it to you. It's
Speaker 5: a free gift over here. Why so that Paul says,
Speaker 5: no one can boast. It's an antidote to pride and celebrity.
Speaker 5: It's an antidote to look what I did is look
Speaker 5: what's been done for me. This view requires us to
Speaker 5: begin in humility, because to say that, Okay, there is
Speaker 5: God and it's not me, well, it's a very humble position.
Speaker 5: I'm not the God of my own I'm not the
Speaker 5: center of my own decision making universe. Well, this begins
Speaker 5: and ends in our savior, says Pulses, have the attitude
Speaker 5: that Jesus had, who, although he existed in the form
Speaker 5: of God, did not regard equality with God a thing
Speaker 5: to be grasped, but instead emptied himself taking the form
Speaker 5: of a bond servant, taking the form. In other words,
Speaker 5: it's all humility start to finish, And as difficult as
Speaker 5: that is for us to achieve, if we don't recognize
Speaker 5: its power in our lives, we'll never even try to submit,
Speaker 5: will never even begin to let go of the things
Speaker 5: that possess us. So I just want to spend one
Speaker 5: chapter in these fifteen chapters talking about the role that
Speaker 5: celebrity plays. And by the way, almost every crime you're
Speaker 5: going to, every crime you're going to commit, is driven
Speaker 5: by different chapter. But these three prideful motives, it's the
Speaker 5: pursuit of money, the pursuit of sex, or the pursuit
Speaker 5: of power. Now, that pursuit of power, that's a huge
Speaker 5: category of misbehavior, and that's where celebrity fits all of us. Look,
Speaker 5: you and I both would we like more people to
Speaker 5: listen to what we're saying. Of course we would. So
Speaker 5: although we might protect ourselves from the pursuit of money
Speaker 5: and the pursuit of sex, knowing that that can derail us,
Speaker 5: we don't usually protect ourselves from the pursuit of celebrity.
Speaker 5: In fact, what we typically do is want to increase
Speaker 5: that area of our life. So we can We'll argue, oh,
Speaker 5: because I want to reach more people with this divine message. Really,
Speaker 5: so we will increase the celebrity. Now, now here's the
Speaker 5: danger in it, and this is a different chapter, But
Speaker 5: there's a danger in this. I have never known anyone
Speaker 5: of those three motives for misbehavior, and there are only three.
Speaker 5: There's not a fourth motive. There isn't. Now you can
Speaker 5: discover this secularly working as a homicide detective, or you
Speaker 5: can discover this on the pages of Scripture because John
Speaker 5: writes about it in one of his letters. But the
Speaker 5: point is, those are only three motives out there for stupid,
Speaker 5: and if you don't protect yourself from those three motives
Speaker 5: for stupid, you will eventually do one of them. Now
Speaker 5: here's what I've noticed. If you begin to scratch one
Speaker 5: of those itches, you will eventually scratch the other two
Speaker 5: because the other two become available to you on the
Speaker 5: basis of what you've achieved in the third. So you
Speaker 5: see this, and even Christian leaders right where they fall
Speaker 5: for someone. Why, Well, here's why, in my opinion, is
Speaker 5: because as a congregation, or as your deacon board or
Speaker 5: your elder board, they're trying to protect their pastors from
Speaker 5: the sex and money. But everyone wants their pastor to
Speaker 5: be known more so they can build a bigger church.
Speaker 5: And when you increase your celebrity, you only open the
Speaker 5: door to the other two. So this is why I've
Speaker 5: struggled with this even in writing this book, because as
Speaker 5: I'm writing this book, if I'm going to heed my
Speaker 5: own advice, I have to do less of this because
Speaker 5: it turns out all of this talking about a book
Speaker 5: you've written is about you trying to amplify your platform,
Speaker 5: amplify your influence in culture. And that's I think there's
Speaker 5: a good by the way. All three of these things
Speaker 5: have been designed by God for his glory and for
Speaker 5: our good. We just happened to distort them. So sex, money,
Speaker 5: in power is something that God is giving us in
Speaker 5: a positive way. This is another chapter in the book.
Speaker 5: It's a chapter about a guy who was basically homeless
Speaker 5: and was killed. And I'm thinking, what are these three motives?
Speaker 5: What did this killer have to gain from this homeless
Speaker 5: guy who was so sweet They called him Santa Claus
Speaker 5: because he looked like Santa Claus and he was as
Speaker 5: sweet as Santa Claus. And what does he offer in
Speaker 5: terms of sex, money, or power that would be worthy
Speaker 5: of killing him? Well, here's what happens is that when
Speaker 5: we focus on those things that are given to us
Speaker 5: by God instead of on the God who gave him
Speaker 5: to us, we're stopping one level short of our worship.
Speaker 5: And we all worship. Everyone worships, whether you're a believer
Speaker 5: or not. There is something that you think as of
Speaker 5: utmost importance that you dare not take that from me,
Speaker 5: because that's the thing that I covet and this idolatry
Speaker 5: is what causes us. So in this particular case, this
Speaker 5: poor guy had had slipped over. They were he was
Speaker 5: recycling stuff.
Speaker 4: Every day.
Speaker 5: He would go out, spend the first half of his
Speaker 5: day picking up trash cans, going through trash cans and
Speaker 5: picking up recyclables. Then he would take them to the
Speaker 5: recycling center and get this stuff money to go, and
Speaker 5: he would buy alcohol and food in the afternoon. And
Speaker 5: that was his day every day, very very workmanlike. And
Speaker 5: he had slipped into an area of our city that
Speaker 5: another guy who was doing the same thing felt was
Speaker 5: his alley. Don't be picking trash out of those two cans.
Speaker 5: And although the amount of money that Santa Claus probably
Speaker 5: got from that was what pennies dollars, maybe it was enough.
Speaker 5: So he confronted this guy. He confronted the Santa Claus
Speaker 5: and said, don't be doing that anymore at a recycling center,
Speaker 5: and Santa Claus kind of just blew him off. Well,
Speaker 5: it turned out in that one moment he had triggered
Speaker 5: the two of the three things. Number One, he had
Speaker 5: disrespected him. So the idea of power, authority, respect. That's
Speaker 5: in the third category. Now I'm upset because you disrespected
Speaker 5: me in front of my peers two taking pennies or dollars.
Speaker 5: But because I've turned both of these things, I covet
Speaker 5: them at a high level. I've now turned them into idols.
Speaker 5: You are not try to destroy my idols. And that
Speaker 5: night he stabbed him too death over virtually nothing. This
Speaker 5: is the power of idolatry. And by the way, it's
Speaker 5: not just people you work and working homicides, it's all
Speaker 5: of us. And so on that chapter. What I try
Speaker 5: to do in every chapter is show you, hey, if
Speaker 5: this is your struggle, whatever these things are, here's a
Speaker 5: way for you to address it. And in this chapter,
Speaker 5: I just ask fifteen questions, like what you want to
Speaker 5: know what your idols are? Because we all have them, Well,
Speaker 5: ask these fifteen questions and you probably identify them. And
Speaker 5: then once you've identified him, we can start to actually think, Okay, look,
Speaker 5: it's something that God has created it rather than the
Speaker 5: God who created it. We simply have to transfer our
Speaker 5: worship up one levels, just from the level where we're
Speaker 5: stopped in God's creation and back to the creator and
Speaker 5: so it's something that if you you do it, you
Speaker 5: will flourish. Will you will not Number one, you'll protect
Speaker 5: yourself from stupid and number two, you'll actually start to
Speaker 5: pursue the things that contribute to a meaningful life.
Speaker 1: And you do that, you do that with thankfulness because
Speaker 1: when you say you thank God for what that is
Speaker 1: and sincerely think about what it is that God is
Speaker 1: giving you, you look at it as not something that
Speaker 1: you've achieved, then that does move it to the higher level.
Speaker 4: And yeah, with that right.
Speaker 5: Now, I'm I'm skipping across a number of different chapters here,
Speaker 5: but yeah, I think you're right. I think the part
Speaker 5: of it is is that what I've discovered, and it
Speaker 5: is true of all of us, is the least thankful
Speaker 5: people are the people who think they have nothing to
Speaker 5: be thankful for. Or the least forgiving people are the
Speaker 5: people who think they have nothing to be forgiven for.
Speaker 5: So it does turn out that a proper assessment of
Speaker 5: who you are, because it's really easy for me to think, well,
Speaker 5: everything I've got in my life I achieved that. Yes,
Speaker 5: I am the reason for all my success, the reason
Speaker 5: for everything I've ever possessed. Okay, if that's your view.
Speaker 5: You well, that kind of pride is it doesn't lead
Speaker 5: any more positive. That's right, because anytime anyone challenges that
Speaker 5: that might not be the case, you're now offended. And
Speaker 5: so it turns out that whatever it is we've worshiped
Speaker 5: that becomes the master, the Master that you dare not question,
Speaker 5: the Master that I'm now willing to give up tons
Speaker 5: of time for resources for.
Speaker 1: I can say that, you know, I had that early
Speaker 1: on when I was young. I had a lot of
Speaker 1: successful a lot of stuff very easily, and I did
Speaker 1: think it was what I had done. And I got
Speaker 1: to say, it was such an amazing blessing for God
Speaker 1: to take that away from me and humble me, you know,
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what it was. And I thank God
Speaker 1: for that taking that away from me, the biggest blessings
Speaker 1: of my life.
Speaker 5: And you're absolutely and I think you and I as guys,
Speaker 5: we are even more prone to this because and this
Speaker 5: is a different this chapter two of the book. It's
Speaker 5: an identity issue for us. I mean a lot of
Speaker 5: it is is that I don't have my as a Christian.
Speaker 5: I ought to have my identity in Christ. But the
Speaker 5: way we form identity and I covered this in the book.
Speaker 5: We don't typically form it that way. What we typically
Speaker 5: do instead is we form it as men in our achievements,
Speaker 5: in what it is we've achieved. So if I asked,
Speaker 5: you know, who are you David, Well, You're going to
Speaker 5: say I'm the host of the show. If you said,
Speaker 5: who are you Jim, Well, I'm a cold case detective.
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 5: Is that who I am?
Speaker 2: Look?
Speaker 5: I haven't been in a dayline episode in three years. Okay,
Speaker 5: I need at some point you need to say, Okay,
Speaker 5: who are you really?
Speaker 2: Jim?
Speaker 5: And this struggle of identity is so key to how
Speaker 5: we function in the world because identity is really exposed
Speaker 5: as our forms of worship, Because I guarantee, as men,
Speaker 5: we typically form our worship based on what we do.
Speaker 5: You know identity when you study it in the surveys
Speaker 5: and the research on this, it's inseparable from value and purpose,
Speaker 5: And unfortunately a lot of us form our identity based
Speaker 5: in reverse. In other words, we asked the actual where
Speaker 5: am I valuable? What am I good at? What do
Speaker 5: I have purpose in? That's who I am? Rather than say, well, no,
Speaker 5: who am I? I want to form my value and
Speaker 5: purpose based on my identity first, not my identity based
Speaker 5: on my value and purpose, because that's the problem, because
Speaker 5: there's nothing but pride that comes out of forming your
Speaker 5: identity based on what you're good at, because it's about
Speaker 5: what you're good at. Yes, so this is and it's
Speaker 5: the biggest, one single move that leads to contentment, is
Speaker 5: to reform your identity not based on what you can achieve,
Speaker 5: but based on what you receive from a holy God.
Speaker 1: That is amazing. When you're talking about that, you say,
Speaker 1: you know, how do you define yourself? Is it the
Speaker 1: show that you have, is it the book that you've written,
Speaker 1: or is it the career that you have. It makes
Speaker 1: me think back to the Austrian Empire when they would
Speaker 1: have their emperors die. They had these big, elaborate funerals
Speaker 1: and they would take them to this amazing crypt Actually
Speaker 1: I've been there with my family to see this thing,
Speaker 1: and it truly is amazing. And they would have as
Speaker 1: they bring the body into there, up they would knock
Speaker 1: and the person inside would say who goes there? And
Speaker 1: they would give all of the big political titles. You know,
Speaker 1: he's an empire of the empire of this and the
Speaker 1: king of that, and all the rest of this stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't know him. And then they would knock again
Speaker 1: and they say who is it, and he would give
Speaker 1: family relationships right that he has, I don't know him,
Speaker 1: And then he'd knock a third time and it would say,
Speaker 1: and it's a humble sinner rons Joseph, I know him.
Speaker 4: Enter. You know. That's a kind of an interesting thing. Awesome.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a that's an awesome just a word picture
Speaker 5: of what we're talking about here. Now, this is something
Speaker 5: that is and I don't know how much time we
Speaker 5: have on this, but let me just say I've got
Speaker 5: a friend named Joe Martin who's a doctor, who is
Speaker 5: a philosopher and a theologian.
Speaker 4: We got plenty of time, by the way.
Speaker 5: So he says that men are all about the Asians.
Speaker 5: When we have conversations, it's all about the Asians. And
Speaker 5: I think it does expose how we form identity. So here,
Speaker 5: for example, he would say, when we meet another guy,
Speaker 5: we shake hands and we say what do you do
Speaker 5: for station? Is occupation? Okay, that's the first aation. And
Speaker 5: when we're not really asking what do you do? We
Speaker 5: are because of how we form identity, as meant we're
Speaker 5: asking who are you now? As we ask that, all identity, remember,
Speaker 5: is comparative. It's not about well, how wealthy are you,
Speaker 5: it's how wealthy are you compared to this guy or
Speaker 5: everybody else. That's how you know if you're wealthy, how
Speaker 5: smart are you compared to others? Sadly, identity is formed
Speaker 5: by comparing, and that's why it's so prideful, right, because
Speaker 5: we have a tendency to say, well, I'm better over here,
Speaker 5: I'm better over there. So occupation is the first dation,
Speaker 5: and then what we're measuring. We're saying, okay, well I
Speaker 5: know what that job requires in terms of education. Secondation,
Speaker 5: we're now we're saying, well he's better educated or I'm
Speaker 5: better educated. We're measuring here we are in that first
Speaker 5: conversation with another guy, and by asking what is your occupation,
Speaker 5: we're starting to measure the other asians. Second one is education. Third, well,
Speaker 5: we're asking, well, I know what that makes. If you're
Speaker 5: a surgeon, I know you're making some or if you're
Speaker 5: an accountant, whatever it is, you're measuring compensation. That's the
Speaker 5: next station. So at some point then you're asking, too,
Speaker 5: how good are you at this? You could be a doctor,
Speaker 5: but just be a terrible doctor. Reputation is the next ation.
Speaker 5: What are we doing here, Well, we're measuring based on
Speaker 5: we're assigning value based on the answers here. And if
Speaker 5: you're a guy, if you're a cop, especially, you could
Speaker 5: be somebody who's that's got nothing more than a high
Speaker 5: school education and you're working as a patrol officer and
Speaker 5: I've been making that much money. You've never tried to
Speaker 5: do anything other. But if you're six foot eight and
Speaker 5: cut like a Greek god, you're still the biggest dog
Speaker 5: in the room. Because now it's about intimidation the last ation.
Speaker 5: So I think he's got a point. It's very unlighten.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 5: I'm sure that for all of us. If you're not
Speaker 5: a guy, you're a woman, and you're listening to this,
Speaker 5: then there's probably some other level of But be honest,
Speaker 5: we do this all the time. And because identity is comparative,
Speaker 5: it really takes it rears its head, most notably in
Speaker 5: group gatherings where you're introducing yourself because now you're getting
Speaker 5: the opportunity to compare. Well, there's the danger in it,
Speaker 5: and identity becomes the thing that sadly is behind so
Speaker 5: much of our trauma and struggle. This is a separate
Speaker 5: chapter of this book. I'll give you an example of this.
Speaker 5: We would do a lot of work now with officers
Speaker 5: to Billy Graham Association in the summer. So we're getting
Speaker 5: ready to leave in two weeks here to do the
Speaker 5: first of six weeks of counseling for marriage resiliency for
Speaker 5: officers who have been involved in critical incidents and now
Speaker 5: they're struggling in their marriage. And sometimes they only get
Speaker 5: there before they get a divorce. They get a divorce,
Speaker 5: they say, we're not coming. I always say, just hold on,
Speaker 5: just try to get through this trip first before you
Speaker 5: make a decision that big. But this is that the
Speaker 5: dire straits therein Okay I discovered by three or four
Speaker 5: years ago. The thing that is the biggest struggle for
Speaker 5: officers is, especially if you're injured, is identity. It turns
Speaker 5: out that if you were to look at all of
Speaker 5: the trauma in your life, whatever it was, if it
Speaker 5: was an injury, you suffered, a divorce, a loss of
Speaker 5: a job, a child being loved, whatever you lost, whatever
Speaker 5: it was you suffered in a trauma, you'll see that
Speaker 5: at that same point you were suffering the trauma, you
Speaker 5: had a relatively dramatic shift in your identity. You thought
Speaker 5: of yourself as married. Now you're divorced, you see yourself differently.
Speaker 5: Identity is simply how you continuously see yourself. The self
Speaker 5: is at the issue, and every time you suffer a trauma,
Speaker 5: you suffer an identity shift. So it's interesting that trauma
Speaker 5: typically causes an identity shift, but the opposite is also true.
Speaker 5: An identity shift often causes trauma. So if you wanted
Speaker 5: to protect yourself from trauma or minimize that kind of
Speaker 5: trauma you'll experience, you need to put your identity inside
Speaker 5: something that can't be shifted, stolen from you, taken from you,
Speaker 5: bruised in some way, damaged in some way. And of
Speaker 5: the three ways that we form identity inside out, outside in,
Speaker 5: or top side down, only one of these three ways
Speaker 5: is stable enough to protect you from shifting. If you're
Speaker 5: forming your identity outside in, where you say it like,
Speaker 5: this is how the ancients did it. You know, this
Speaker 5: thing outside of me existed before I was ever born,
Speaker 5: and I'm just going to reach out and grab that
Speaker 5: and form my identity. So it's a tribe that's the
Speaker 5: tribe I was raised in. It's the name of my
Speaker 5: family name, it's the profession of my family. We're all cops,
Speaker 5: so that's like who I am. Okay, that's outside in identity,
Speaker 5: and I all of us do some of that inside
Speaker 5: out based on my desires, my preferences, even my sexual preferences.
Speaker 5: I'm going to ask you outside of me to identify
Speaker 5: me based on my innate hearts, desires. Okay, that's inside
Speaker 5: out identity. Both of those are unstable because at some
Speaker 5: point your job ends, you're going to retire, then who
Speaker 5: are you then? Or you're going to get injured, and
Speaker 5: or your desires are going to change because your heart
Speaker 5: is fickle. It's just the nature of it. Well, then
Speaker 5: get ready to suffer some trauma on the course you're
Speaker 5: like now, if you've formed your identity top side down,
Speaker 5: where you put it in something that's transcendent and unchanging,
Speaker 5: then you're going to have lows in your life, of course,
Speaker 5: but they're going to be not quite as deep because
Speaker 5: that the day before you suffer the injury, you were
Speaker 5: a child of You were in Christ. That day the
Speaker 5: day after you suffer the injury, you're still in Christ.
Speaker 5: You're still the same God sees you the same way. Now,
Speaker 5: are you going to struggle because you're an injury? Of course?
Speaker 5: But who you are hasn't changed. And it turns out
Speaker 5: that's the thing that we struggle with the most, even
Speaker 5: in an injury. It's not so much just the pain
Speaker 5: of the injury, it's who am I now? And that's
Speaker 5: why we have to kind of really be serious about
Speaker 5: our identity formation or we're going to find ourselves. It's
Speaker 5: about human flourishing. It really is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And of course you know, it's about aegrity. And
Speaker 1: we often think about integrity is how other people perceive
Speaker 1: us or something, but it really is how you perceive yourself.
Speaker 1: Do you have that integrity? And you have that integrity
Speaker 1: if you're thinking about that from top down? This is
Speaker 1: so wise. I'm really enjoying listening to you talk about this,
Speaker 1: and I think about how unique things are right now.
Speaker 1: As you begin talking about that, you said, you know,
Speaker 1: this lure of being famous or a lot of people
Speaker 1: following you, that all comes as a social media stuff.
Speaker 1: It truly is amazing to me to see that and
Speaker 1: how that has transformed younger people, and it is such
Speaker 1: a transformational thing to think that there is some value
Speaker 1: in having a bunch of people that you don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, following you and everything I'm going to tell
Speaker 1: you focusing on that, it's amazing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that is something that we take for granted, David,
Speaker 5: We take it for granted because yes, we are now
Speaker 5: in an age the information age has become the identity age.
Speaker 5: Why because, so how do we start? If you go
Speaker 5: on our social media platforms, what's the very first thing?
Speaker 5: We have a moniker, like, what is the public name?
Speaker 5: I'm going to adopt that I want you to see
Speaker 5: me as second, we're going to put a bio. Now
Speaker 5: we're going to list a series of priorities, identity priorities
Speaker 5: in the bio. So all of this, then we're going
Speaker 5: to spend the next how many years on social media
Speaker 5: posting only in a way that amplifies the way I
Speaker 5: already want you to see me.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 5: So I'm not going to reveal something of myself that
Speaker 5: violates the identity I've already established. And even if I'm
Speaker 5: not even thinking about it, my posts always expose who
Speaker 5: I am. And there were times in generations prior where
Speaker 5: you didn't know who people were and the way you
Speaker 5: know who they are. Now, having access to everything we
Speaker 5: think us gives people complete access to who we really are.
Speaker 5: And I think we know that if a republic figure
Speaker 5: and so we're careful. You know, I never post anything
Speaker 5: about my family on social media. I stay pretty focused
Speaker 5: in that area of what it is I'm trying to
Speaker 5: communicate related to the gospel, and I just stay focused
Speaker 5: on that. Now, that doesn't that gives people a view
Speaker 5: of me that's not actually true. It's the view that
Speaker 5: I'm crafting for them, and we have to be aware
Speaker 5: of that. But everyone does that. I mean, I see
Speaker 5: people I follow who you think all they do is
Speaker 5: eat because but it's really that it's not just that
Speaker 5: we are in some way forming and sharing our identity.
Speaker 5: It's that we are also revealing our idols. We're revealing
Speaker 5: our priorities. We're revealing this stuff that we think is
Speaker 5: so consequential, so important that we are willing to proclaim it.
Speaker 5: That's one of the ways you can you can see
Speaker 5: what your idols are. Ask yourself, like, look at your
Speaker 5: social media streams. Well, I want to know what your
Speaker 5: idols are. I can kind of figure it out if
Speaker 5: you've got a social media platform, right, that's right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we got a full lifelog that is up there.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know it's such a shallow things that talking about
Speaker 1: with social media. It's there so that you know, you
Speaker 1: can glorify yourself. Isn't it interesting that in the last
Speaker 1: days people become such lovers of self that that that
Speaker 1: we've never had those tools, that we've never had the
Speaker 1: tools to magnifizy it exactly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think at some point we are going
Speaker 5: to have we're going to see that this is not
Speaker 5: beneficial to our well being and we're going to volunteerly
Speaker 5: pull back a little bit, or we're going to reach
Speaker 5: a point in our lives where we're going to burn
Speaker 5: out on it and we're going to put so you
Speaker 5: might be more active on social media at some point
Speaker 5: in your life than you are later. But I'm also
Speaker 5: trying to be very careful not to be the old
Speaker 5: guy who's just shaking his fist at the moon, right,
Speaker 5: because yeah, I use social media as much as anybody else,
Speaker 5: but I do want us to be very practical about it. Like, look,
Speaker 5: if we're trying to protect ourselves from what causes us
Speaker 5: to do bad things, we have to have a very
Speaker 5: honest assessment of who we are. Are we buying in
Speaker 5: This is a different chapter in the book. But are
Speaker 5: we by nature innocent, born innocent, born virtuous? And we
Speaker 5: are corrupted by our families, by our environments, by the
Speaker 5: systems that are in place, government systems. Is that who
Speaker 5: we are? Or is the flip true that we are
Speaker 5: by nature fallen and depraved enough, but no matter what
Speaker 5: system you put us in, we'll find a way to
Speaker 5: corrupt it, even religious systems. Which of those two things
Speaker 5: is true? We need to figure that out because if
Speaker 5: the second is true, which has always been the claim
Speaker 5: of the Christian worldview, that we are by nature fallen, well,
Speaker 5: now we can explain certain aspects of what happens in culture,
Speaker 5: and we can put our resources in the right direction. Look,
Speaker 5: Luther put it this way. We are so inwardly focused
Speaker 5: that we can take even things that are good and
Speaker 5: corrupt them and do them for selfish You can even
Speaker 5: behave uber morally, but you're doing it for selfish reasons.
Speaker 4: Yea.
Speaker 5: Even our efforts to do something godly are entirely depraved
Speaker 5: and selfish, is what his claim is. This is what
Speaker 5: you find also in the modern studies about altruism, like
Speaker 5: people are trying to figure out, like, how could it
Speaker 5: be that someone who's could be a Pulitzer Prize winner
Speaker 5: can also kill his spouse or her spouse? How could
Speaker 5: that be? How could it be that there's somebody who,
Speaker 5: for the last thirty years has been an exemplar in
Speaker 5: our community, the deacon at the church, the doctor who
Speaker 5: delivered my babies, Yet thirty years ago he killed his wife.
Speaker 5: How could that be? There's no way he could be
Speaker 5: that duplicit? Is there? This enigma of man has to
Speaker 5: be sorted out. Now, what I see in the studies
Speaker 5: is that, yes, we do have good examples of the
Speaker 5: altruism of humans. Humans are capable of great altruism. They
Speaker 5: are until it doesn't serve them personally. So in other words,
Speaker 5: I'm usually the studies show that humans are usually pretty
Speaker 5: generous until resources get tight. Then we start holding toilet paper.
Speaker 5: Well why are we doing that? Because we are at
Speaker 5: our base nature self serving, and even when we are
Speaker 5: are doing good for others, it serves us in some way.
Speaker 5: That's why we're doing it. We want to be seen
Speaker 5: a certain way. Very seldom do you see people who
Speaker 5: you know do good things. Who aren't proclaiming to you
Speaker 5: that they do good things. That's how you know they're
Speaker 5: doing good things. Well, that's because that proclamation is what
Speaker 5: they're really after. Yeah, okay, that's the truth. If that's
Speaker 5: the case, then now we can make a proper assessment
Speaker 5: of our own condition. Number One, it causes me to
Speaker 5: know that I am not trustworthy, that I am no different.
Speaker 5: Number One, It's leveled the field for me. So I
Speaker 5: never went into an interview once I had this realization.
Speaker 5: I never went into an interview and thought I was
Speaker 5: somehow better than the guy I was interviewing. No, I
Speaker 5: knew that we're all the same person. And but for
Speaker 5: the grace of God, my buttons haven't been pushed the
Speaker 5: way that this poor guy's buttons have been pushed. Now, look,
Speaker 5: this is not to try to elevate people who do
Speaker 5: bad behavior. I'm a justice guy, so we're going to
Speaker 5: take care of this. But I recognize that I am
Speaker 5: just like him. We are all just like him. When
Speaker 5: you watch an episode of Dateline, I'm hoping you're not
Speaker 5: sitting there and going, yeah, what an idiot.
Speaker 2: I hope you.
Speaker 5: Watch it with a certain amount of introspection and you're thinking, ah,
Speaker 5: that could easily have been me. Because that is where
Speaker 5: humility begins. It begins when you realize the proper role.
Speaker 5: By the way, if you know the fallen nature of humans,
Speaker 5: if you know that's really true, well that also changes
Speaker 5: the way you establish systems. This is why our country
Speaker 5: was built in a way that had the kinds of
Speaker 5: checks and balances between the three arms of the federal government.
Speaker 5: Why is that there because the people who formed it
Speaker 5: new you can't trust people, you can't trust humans. We
Speaker 5: are by nature of fallen if we don't have a
Speaker 5: way to check and balance each other, if we don't
Speaker 5: have a community. Basically, this is why the Christian worldview
Speaker 5: has not lived in isolation, because this is why marriages.
Speaker 5: So this is another chapter of the book why marriage
Speaker 5: is so important. Because I've close enough to another human
Speaker 5: that I have given her permission to tell me where
Speaker 5: I'm wrong. I've given her permission to help shape me
Speaker 5: toward what it is God wants from me. And if
Speaker 5: you're not in a relationship with somebody who you know
Speaker 5: well enough to have given them permission to tell you
Speaker 5: what an idiot you are right now, and you don't
Speaker 5: have true friends, and you don't have the kind of
Speaker 5: relationship that'll urge you towards something better. So it turns
Speaker 5: out that those are other things that sociologists have discovered.
Speaker 5: It was a chapter in here about true friendship or
Speaker 5: why because I've worked so many cases where people were
Speaker 5: killed by somebody they thought was their true friend. M Well,
Speaker 5: so what is the nature of quality relationships? We need
Speaker 5: to kind of dig into that because it turns out
Speaker 5: that there are some relationships that if you're listening, that
Speaker 5: you're holding right now, that are hurting you, that are
Speaker 5: detrimental to your well being, and that might at some point,
Speaker 5: by the way, likely if I'm the first time I'm
Speaker 5: going to do, if I'm working your homicide, is I'm
Speaker 5: going to look back at all your relationships because the
Speaker 5: chances are that is somebody you knew really well who
Speaker 5: kills you. And in the end we have to ask
Speaker 5: the question, what am I doing wrong that I'm hanging
Speaker 5: out with somebody who I have not in some way
Speaker 5: vetted better?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 5: So I think a lot of this is important for
Speaker 5: us as Christians to say, oh yeah, By the way,
Speaker 5: the Scripture has an antidote for that this Christian's got
Speaker 5: great guidance for that. We just haven't been paying attention
Speaker 5: in this generation.
Speaker 2: It seems.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have a statement.
Speaker 1: Many crime stories are centered around poor relationships, you know,
Speaker 1: not having a relationship or having a relationship that's going
Speaker 1: to I guess goed you into that right some way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean this is why. So if you're looking
Speaker 5: at what causes and we've got enough time, I think
Speaker 5: you're to cover this that if you look at what
Speaker 5: is causing, what really describes relationships that will cause you
Speaker 5: to flourish. It turns out that studies show this one
Speaker 5: of the longest studies ever done on human happiness, looks
Speaker 5: like sixty year study that was done, and it really
Speaker 5: revealed that is your relationships there at the key, the
Speaker 5: core of what causes you to feel content, to be happy,
Speaker 5: to have satisfied life, satisfying life. But it's not just
Speaker 5: any kind of relationship. It turns out it's the kind
Speaker 5: of deep relationships that you cannot have with hundreds of
Speaker 5: people on social media. So there's three things, three things
Speaker 5: that lead to the quality flourishing in your relationships.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 5: They are, First, you need deep committed relationships with people
Speaker 5: you've given permission to be like a brother to say, hey,
Speaker 5: you know what did your off the rails here? And
Speaker 5: that has to be with a small number of people.
Speaker 5: You can't have those kinds of deep committed relationships because
Speaker 5: they require a certain amount of vulnerability and a certain
Speaker 5: amount of time. So if you're somebody whoays, oh, I
Speaker 5: know lots of people, I got lots of friends, well
Speaker 5: they're probably not. Then these kinds of friends you need
Speaker 5: to have a small number of deeply committed relationships with
Speaker 5: third piece virtuous people. Now here's the reason why. I've
Speaker 5: met lots of folks who are deeply connected to others
Speaker 5: who are not virtuous, and they're they're they're basically they're
Speaker 5: part of their crime family. And so you can have
Speaker 5: deep connected relationships that lead you astray because there's no virtue.
Speaker 5: Now here's the tricky question is what do we call virtuous?
Speaker 5: Who gets to decide? So there's a code of ethics
Speaker 5: amongst gangsters, is that what is virtuous? What they say
Speaker 5: is because they would say, hey, if you offend us,
Speaker 5: we're going to come over there and kill you. That's
Speaker 5: just the code. You knew better before you did that.
Speaker 5: You should have known that was coming, because you know
Speaker 5: that's what you're going to get. And so who just
Speaker 5: gets to decide what is righteous, right or wrong? Virtuous?
Speaker 5: Who gets to decide that is it a group of
Speaker 5: people or is it a single individual, or is there
Speaker 5: something that transcends all of us that it overarches all communities.
Speaker 5: So it turns out that virtue is something that does
Speaker 5: require a transcendent, unchanging, overarching virtue giver the authority that
Speaker 5: we would actually say virtue is grounded in because if
Speaker 5: we say it's grounded in groups, then get ready for
Speaker 5: all kinds of stupid. And we're already seeing this because
Speaker 5: what's virtuous to even politically, what's virtuous to one side
Speaker 5: or the other is very different. Then we're arguing as
Speaker 5: if there's no transcendent, overarching virtue. So this is one
Speaker 5: of those areas your relationships that does benefit from a
Speaker 5: worldview in which you can ground virtue objectively. There's a
Speaker 5: couple of places where that happens in this book, but
Speaker 5: this is one that's very important because we can say
Speaker 5: you tell your kids all the time, but don't be
Speaker 5: handled with there's a bad people who gets to decide
Speaker 5: they're bad? This is now suddenly Caught is going to
Speaker 5: have to cause us to think about how we ground
Speaker 5: good and bad. How do we ground a righteousness? And
Speaker 5: if you're going to ground it in just the opinion
Speaker 5: of people, well that's every case. I work at some
Speaker 5: point you have to be wiser than that. And that's
Speaker 5: why I think it's important for us to adopt the
Speaker 5: one worldview grounded in humility that provides you with an objective,
Speaker 5: transcendent source for virtue.
Speaker 1: That is such great wisdom. I'm really looking forward reading
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Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm indebted to you. Thanks so much for having
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Speaker 1: Well, thank you, how are we Clinton, Yeah, she is
Speaker 1: funding these lunatic criminals stop oil. Their most recent caper,
Speaker 1: if you recall, what was it the summer solstice or
Speaker 1: something like that, or Equinox, whatever it was, and they
Speaker 1: run out with fire extinguishers that they put some colored
Speaker 1: paint in and they wanted to spray stonehenge, except that
Speaker 1: they're running. When they started springing it, they were headed
Speaker 1: into the wind and all this stuff blew back on them.
Speaker 1: When you talk about blowback from a protest, that was
Speaker 1: quite literally it. Hillary Clinton funds these lunatic idiot criminals,
Speaker 1: some of which have just gotten several year prison sentences
Speaker 1: and well deserved. They brought traffic on the M twenty
Speaker 1: five motorway back in November twenty twenty two, a reckless act. Frankly,
Speaker 1: you know, you have people who may have an emergency
Speaker 1: they need to be able to get to the hospital
Speaker 1: or something like that. Not to mention how many people
Speaker 1: had their time waste did by these lunatic idiots. They're
Speaker 1: just going around destroying things, you know, spraying paintings and
Speaker 1: all the rest of this stuff, you know, climbing bridges
Speaker 1: and putting stuff up. But they also threw soup over
Speaker 1: Vincent van Gogo's sunflowers in a museum caused damage exceeding
Speaker 1: five thousand pounds. They face a jail sentence for that.
Speaker 1: But five of the activists who blocked the five motorway
Speaker 1: got jail sentences, one of them sentenced to five years,
Speaker 1: the others getting four years each. Some UK members of
Speaker 1: Parliament who called for the group to be designated as
Speaker 1: a terrorist organization. But Hillary Clinton doesn't think they're deplorable.
Speaker 1: She loves them. She gives them money, gives them money
Speaker 1: through an organization that goes into another organization. That's the
Speaker 1: way they always do this stuff. That's what Soros does,
Speaker 1: you know, he puts money into the Tides organization they create,
Speaker 1: and then there's all these other things that what they
Speaker 1: do is they have all these different layers. It makes
Speaker 1: it harder for people to find out where the money
Speaker 1: is coming from. Gives them implausible deniability. And we've seen
Speaker 1: a lot of that in the recent elections here at
Speaker 1: the state level in Tennessee, a lot of outside money
Speaker 1: being filtered through a lot of different organizations for both
Speaker 1: Republican and Democrat candidates at the state level. You know,
Speaker 1: Frank nicely who just lost because of that. He tried
Speaker 1: to stop that out of state funding. It failed, both
Speaker 1: Republicans and Democrats. Majority of Republicans wanted that out of
Speaker 1: state funding. And so the result is that you know,
Speaker 1: if you oppose the banks, you pose the out of
Speaker 1: state funding, the out of state funding comes for you
Speaker 1: with a big campaign of posters and ridiculously absurd lies
Speaker 1: as absurd as this just stop oil stuff. On Thursday,
Speaker 1: The Telegraph reveal the involvement of Hillary Clinton and funding
Speaker 1: criminal activities in the UK. Just Stop Foyle's largest financial
Speaker 1: backer is a California nonprofit, the Climate Emergency Fund. One
Speaker 1: of the Climate Emergency Funds major supporters is Onward Together,
Speaker 1: a campaign organization that was founded by Hillary Clinton.
Speaker 4: So I think I went to.
Speaker 1: Two levels indirect, right, So it's even closer than Kevin Bacon.
Speaker 1: The report notes the donations of the largest contributions by
Speaker 1: Missus Clinton's organization to a nonprofit in the last three years,
Speaker 1: and are funded by public contributions and the sale of
Speaker 1: merchandise from her online shop.
Speaker 4: She's got an online shop.
Speaker 5: I'm with her.
Speaker 1: Onward Together donated three hundred thousand dollars. So the Climate
Speaker 1: Emergency fund in twenty twenty one and a further two
Speaker 1: hundred thousand and twenty twenty two. Isn't it nice to
Speaker 1: have that kind of money when all you've ever done
Speaker 1: in your life is work in politics, never had a
Speaker 1: doing anything. It's like Obama, the Clinton's got so rich.
Speaker 1: The money was then put into a fund and eventually
Speaker 1: used to pay for Just Stop Oil's protests in the UK.
Speaker 1: Just Stop Oil recently vanalyzed Stonehenge as I said before,
Speaker 1: and then after that they caused disruption at London's Heathrow Airport.
Speaker 1: As we've previously stated, Just Stop Oil is an offshoot
Speaker 1: of extinction rebellion, which is also funded by billionaires. Shock
Speaker 1: troops for globalist technocrats are pushing for the same net
Speaker 1: zero agenda, and they are the ultimate creatures of the establishment. Oh,
Speaker 1: that is absolutely true. Here's the key about Paris. Here's
Speaker 1: what's interesting about Paris. Paris is a preview of what
Speaker 1: the Paris Accords want life to be like. When we
Speaker 1: talk about the miserable sleeping accommodations and everything else, and
Speaker 1: no air conditioning in the Olympic village and no meat
Speaker 1: and of course a filthy, filthy river that the mayor
Speaker 1: of Paris cannot be bothered to clean up. All of
Speaker 1: this is a preview of what these people want for us,
Speaker 1: the utter contempt that they have so and then of
Speaker 1: course the social and religious agenda that is a key
Speaker 1: part of it as well. Paris Olympics lacks meat based proteins,
Speaker 1: so the athletes are complaining about this, and some of
Speaker 1: them are as they shipped in air conditioning, they're shipping
Speaker 1: in food now to feed their people because the Parisians
Speaker 1: won't do it. And of course Paris is governed by
Speaker 1: Marxist mayor. The same Marxist mayor put on a wetsuit
Speaker 1: and waited in the water, so see it's fine, gets
Speaker 1: out now. These people are getting really sick who are
Speaker 1: having to participate in events there. British athletes flew an
Speaker 1: additional chef out to Paris to bridge a shortfall of supplies.
Speaker 1: Their own chef their own supplies. The CEO of the
Speaker 1: UK Olympic Is Association lamented the lack of protein, especially
Speaker 1: chicken and eggs.
Speaker 4: Must add bird flu or something.
Speaker 1: Nothing on the menu. The Pairs twenty twenty four document
Speaker 1: called food Vision. Food Vision isn't interesting. These people always
Speaker 1: talk about vision. You know we have the vision zero.
Speaker 1: It's part of the net zero stuff. Ban all the
Speaker 1: cars vision zero. Well, food vision is the same thing.
Speaker 1: Let's ban all the real food. When they talk about vision.
Speaker 1: It really is the blind leading the blind, isn't it?
Speaker 1: Reduced animal protein to lower the games carbon footprint? Athletes
Speaker 1: requiring high animal protein diets is a myth, says the
Speaker 1: European Policy Manager. It is a myth that has been
Speaker 1: busted a long time ago. Those perpetuating it in these
Speaker 1: games aren't basing their arguments on science.
Speaker 4: Well there you go.
Speaker 1: See he has the science and he isn't going to
Speaker 1: debate you. If you disagree with him, you're not science.
Speaker 1: And Brussels. The food issues at the Olympics sparked reactions,
Speaker 1: as EU also aims to promote plant based diets in
Speaker 1: a similar fashion under its Farm to Fork strategy, which
Speaker 1: is the EU's flagship food policy. You see what you're
Speaker 1: the insanity that you're seeing there at the Paris Games.
Speaker 1: It's all just to put this out there. They want
Speaker 1: to have the athletes not eat meat so they can
Speaker 1: say you don't need to eat meat. Look, we got
Speaker 1: Olympic athletes out here competing and they're not feeding them
Speaker 1: any meat. And the next thing you know, they're going
Speaker 1: to have some of these people who won metals and
Speaker 1: they're going to put them on a box of insect cereal,
Speaker 1: just like Bruce Gender to sell you the insect cereal.
Speaker 1: Prescribers of these diets have underestimated the need and the
Speaker 1: desire for high protein foods offered by animal proteins in
Speaker 1: order to repair muscles and to recover between events and
Speaker 1: training sessions. But they said, the policy managers are upfront
Speaker 1: about it. This is an opportunity to showcase to millions
Speaker 1: of people that plant proteins are better alternative for the
Speaker 1: planet and can also support athletic performance. See if they
Speaker 1: can do this stuff. That's why they're coming down so
Speaker 1: hard on the athletes. So you can sleep on cardboard
Speaker 1: and you can eat the bugs or the vegetables and
Speaker 1: have no protein, and you can still compete, and somebody's
Speaker 1: going to win a gold medal, and they can take
Speaker 1: whoever won the gold medal, and with any unable to
Speaker 1: set a record because of no sleep and no protein,
Speaker 1: but they can they still win a gold medal, and
Speaker 1: so we can use them as a poster child to
Speaker 1: sell these kind of measures to other people. No air conditioning,
Speaker 1: cardboard beds, eating plants, and drinking untreated water in the Seine,
Speaker 1: as you are trying to compete in these events, hypo.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 1: Joining us now is David Steinmann. He's the author and
Speaker 1: co author of the groundbreaking bestseller's Diet for a Poison
Speaker 1: Planet and The Safe Shopper's Bible. He's also a director
Speaker 1: of h LF, featured as one of the experts and
Speaker 1: activists in an HBO Max documentary Not So Pretty, and
Speaker 1: his investigative reporting and writing have won awards from Best
Speaker 1: of the West, California Newspaper Publishers Association, the Sierra Club,
Speaker 1: and the Green Book Festival. He's publisher of Healthy Living
Speaker 1: g magazine and serves as director of the nonprofit HLF,
Speaker 1: which is Healthy Living Foundation. His book that we're going
Speaker 1: to be talking about today is Raising Healthy Kids, Protecting
Speaker 1: Your Children from Hidden chemical toxins, and of course you
Speaker 1: can find that on Amazon probably everywhere else as well.
Speaker 4: Thank you for joining us, mister.
Speaker 2: Sin Oh, it's great to be here today.
Speaker 4: Well, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: I was interested when I looked at this. Let's begin
Speaker 1: with the youngest kids, the kids that are developing, and
Speaker 1: the risk to them from chemicals in the household and
Speaker 1: chemicals that the pregnant mother may come in contact with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great issue, David, because our lives has
Speaker 2: become so inundated with chemical toxins, most of them not
Speaker 2: revealed to us, but hidden. I'll just give you an example.
Speaker 2: You were talking about our youngest kids, or rather are
Speaker 2: during pregnancy, when so much of our kids destiny really
Speaker 2: is is determined, yes, from exposures that we may not
Speaker 2: even be thinking about, like, for example, cosmetics.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: A lot of cosmetics don't reveal the hidden chemicals that
Speaker 2: can cause harm to the fetus.
Speaker 4: Or the embryo.
Speaker 2: For example, there's a chemical called thalate. And you know
Speaker 2: everyone is talking about plastic today, Plastic in our water,
Speaker 2: plastic even in our bodies, in the ocean, in our food.
Speaker 2: And what researchers have found is that thalates, which are plastics,
Speaker 2: they're used in cosmetics to make them a little more
Speaker 2: pliable or holding cosmetics. When mom is using these cosmetics
Speaker 2: and just has high normal everyday levels, high normal everyday levels,
Speaker 2: her child is at much higher risk for being born
Speaker 2: with lost IQ points. As many as six to seven
Speaker 2: IQ points could be lost.
Speaker 4: That's a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, plus the yeah, I'm sorry. I was going to
Speaker 1: ask what kind of cosmetics? I mean, is it we're
Speaker 1: talking about lipstick or face powder or high makeup?
Speaker 4: What kind of stuff?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: It's really pervasive. I'll get just give you an example
Speaker 2: from the book. I talk about how when my kids
Speaker 2: brought home fragrances. Right, you know, every teenager gets really
Speaker 2: concerned about social acceptance, so they start using deodorant, fragrances
Speaker 2: and all.
Speaker 4: So my kid, one of my sons.
Speaker 2: Brought home English leather cologe, which is which I think, David,
Speaker 2: which I think every teenager since like nineteen sixty five
Speaker 2: is probably used.
Speaker 4: That's right. I remember using when I was a teenager.
Speaker 4: Oh I know.
Speaker 2: And it hasn't stopped, my friend, it hasn't stopped. But
Speaker 2: we measured it for Thoullate. I actually had it sent
Speaker 2: to the lab and it was loaded with so much dalay.
Speaker 2: And I told my son, I said, look, you know,
Speaker 2: I want to have grandkids and I want your kids
Speaker 2: to be really healthy, and if you keep using this stuff,
Speaker 2: I could speak freakily, you know, frankly to him I said,
Speaker 2: it's going to damage your testicles and your sperm because
Speaker 2: what researchers have found out is that thllites act like
Speaker 2: the sex hormone estrogen.
Speaker 4: So when your.
Speaker 2: Son's testicles are loaded up with thalate, which they will
Speaker 2: be if mom continues to use the wrong cosmetics, not
Speaker 2: only does he lose IQ points in fertility and could
Speaker 2: be at risk for ADHD, but he loses his testosterone.
Speaker 2: Because thalatees are like sex hormones, they imitate the hormone estrogen.
Speaker 2: So when we ask why do our daughters now have
Speaker 2: why do our daughters have so much endometrial endometriosis or
Speaker 2: polycystic ovary disease, the answer is we're overloading them with
Speaker 2: estrogens that are hidden. And one of the big culprits
Speaker 2: is cosmetics. So I do share in raising healthy kids.
Speaker 2: How do you find safe cosmetics? I make it really simple,
Speaker 2: but it's so important.
Speaker 1: And of course we're talking about we laughed about English
Speaker 1: leather and it's been around forever, but the formulations are
Speaker 1: changing all the time. Right, you know today, the products
Speaker 1: that you get today are going to likely be very
Speaker 1: different than what you use as a teenager, even if
Speaker 1: it is the same brand and the same fragrance is
Speaker 1: still going to be probably a different formulation. They're constantly
Speaker 1: changing and improving these things, right in terms of the
Speaker 1: things that they use for the manufacturing process and that
Speaker 1: type of thing.
Speaker 2: If you're looking at the ingredient list, you certainly will
Speaker 2: see that there are a lot of chemical toxins being
Speaker 2: used in cosmetics today that we're not used twenty or
Speaker 2: thirty years ago. And cosmetics have always been a problem
Speaker 2: in society. I mean, you know, the Romans used cosmetics
Speaker 2: with lead and mercury for the cosmetics ecuts. You know,
Speaker 2: so really, in some ways, David, the safety has not
Speaker 2: really improved. It's probably just as bad today as it
Speaker 2: was two thousand years ago. It's just that we've changed
Speaker 2: the chemicals that are causing problems and we're not telling.
Speaker 2: The worst thing is, you know, people would buy safe
Speaker 2: products if they only knew, but the way that it's
Speaker 2: the way the game is played or rigged, industry doesn't
Speaker 2: have to tell consumers when they know they're hidden chemical toxins.
Speaker 2: I agree, yeah, and that's why my group Healthy Living
Speaker 2: Foundation has done so many legal actions in Washington, d c.
Speaker 2: In California to make companies reveal these hidden chemical toxins
Speaker 2: in their consumer products.
Speaker 1: And of course, you know, we look at this and
Speaker 1: we say, well, you know that's going to be fine
Speaker 1: because I use that as a cad or whatever. I've
Speaker 1: always used that. Well, that's not the same product. And
Speaker 1: you might look at these products and you say, well,
Speaker 1: I know I don't want something that's got to lead
Speaker 1: in it or other things like that. But they might
Speaker 1: get the lead out, but now they put in some
Speaker 1: new chemical. But you have no idea what this is
Speaker 1: or what the health effects of it are. And so
Speaker 1: that's how, as you point out, that's why you got
Speaker 1: to keep keep current on this, why something like your book,
Speaker 1: your publication is going to help people because those things
Speaker 1: are constantly changing. Oh, they know about that one, so
Speaker 1: let's take that out. But we've got this new thing
Speaker 1: here and nobody's tested it. We're going to put that
Speaker 1: in and it can be something that you don't even
Speaker 1: necessarily really internalize, but in terms of eating, but you're
Speaker 1: still going to be getting that in through your skin,
Speaker 1: breathing it in, other things like that, and it's going
Speaker 1: to have a big effect on you, isn't it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know the.
Speaker 2: Thing is there's no pre market safety testing for cosmetics either. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so it's not like, as you mentioned, the concoctions are
Speaker 2: being tested to see what they will actually do to
Speaker 2: our reproductive capacity. We and our kids are actually the
Speaker 2: test animals.
Speaker 4: In this case.
Speaker 1: That's right, That's what I was just talking about. That
Speaker 1: with vaccines, that's becoming the new thing. You know, Oh,
Speaker 1: you got an MRI vaccine, you're approved, go straight through.
Speaker 1: If they got a technology like five year or something,
Speaker 1: we don't need to do any tests. We need the
Speaker 1: so I let's just run this thing through, which is
Speaker 1: rubber stampus through. And of course that is going on
Speaker 1: with everything, but especially with things that people are not
Speaker 1: necessarily even thinking about. In terms of cosmetics, you've mentioned
Speaker 1: things like bubble baths.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as a matter of fact, bubble bath is another
Speaker 2: a big culprit. A lot of bubble baths are made
Speaker 2: using what's called an ethoxylated alcohol, and they're contaminated with dioxane.
Speaker 2: So essentially, you know, this same dioxane, by the way,
Speaker 2: is in shampoos. My nonprofit group, the Healthy Living Foundation,
Speaker 2: we sued doctor and Gamble. We sued them for having
Speaker 2: high amounts of a carcinogen in pantein and herbal essences shampoos,
Speaker 2: and we got them to reduce the levels by ninety
Speaker 2: percent in a consent judgment that we want in California
Speaker 2: Superior Court to make those products much safer. But you know,
Speaker 2: bubble bath like shampoos will continue in a carcinogen called dioxide.
Speaker 2: Here's one big tip that's in my book though, that
Speaker 2: I want to share with your listeners. If you see
Speaker 2: an ingredient on your cosmetic label that has these three
Speaker 2: letters eth like sodium loris sulfate, don't buy it. Those
Speaker 2: are the ingredients that will be contaminated with chemicals that
Speaker 2: cause cancer. So, mom and dad when you're buying or
Speaker 2: mom and dad, if you're buying shampoos for your kids,
Speaker 2: or if you're just buying them for yourself or a
Speaker 2: bubble bath, the big tip is avoid any chemicals with ETCH.
Speaker 2: You'll see it on the label and if you do,
Speaker 2: you know that company is not looking out for your
Speaker 2: health or your kid's health.
Speaker 4: Wow, that's very important.
Speaker 1: Well, we'll check our shampoo today.
Speaker 4: I'm going to get your book as well.
Speaker 1: When we look at all this and you mentioned some
Speaker 1: of the biggest brands that are there a course of
Speaker 1: Johnson and Johnson's and something as fundamental as baby powder
Speaker 1: that has gone on for decades and they continue to
Speaker 1: do it even after it was identified. They continue to
Speaker 1: run that through, didn't they.
Speaker 2: You're talking about the talk issue that baby powder has
Speaker 2: had TALC and that has been linked with ovarian cancer.
Speaker 2: So it's a really big issue. But I'll tell you
Speaker 2: something else, David, if you want to move a little
Speaker 2: from cosmetics to foods, I'll just give you an you know,
Speaker 2: while we're on the topic of our children. You know,
Speaker 2: in court in California, the HLF, the Healthy Living Foundation,
Speaker 2: we had to sue a large almond nut butter company.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if you want to mention names
Speaker 2: or not, but it's helpful and I don't mind sharing
Speaker 2: a little bit because it's in public record, actually, but
Speaker 2: we sue Justin's Nut Butters, which is one of the
Speaker 2: most popular brands in the country, because they had such
Speaker 2: a high amount of an industrial chemical called acrylamide that
Speaker 2: they were not telling their consumers about. Now, my kids,
Speaker 2: like a lot of kids are trying to go healthy.
Speaker 2: A lot of folks are trying to go paleo, so
Speaker 2: they are buying a lot of almond butters for example.
Speaker 2: And what I share in raising healthy kids protecting your
Speaker 2: children from hidden chemical toxins is when you're at that
Speaker 2: Whole Foods and you're looking for nut butters, you could
Speaker 2: reach for the Whole Foods nut butter, which we also
Speaker 2: tested and was very low and very safe compared to
Speaker 2: the justice, but neither is labeled for this industrial chemical
Speaker 2: called acrylamide, so the consumer is left in the dark.
Speaker 2: The problem is that a chrylamide, as we're talking about
Speaker 2: with TALC, is linked with an increasing incidence of endometrial
Speaker 2: cancer in our daughters, and that risk begins when they're
Speaker 2: kids and they're eating snack foods because the foods most
Speaker 2: likely to have acrylamide are snack foods like nut butters
Speaker 2: or potato chips or French fries. And if we let
Speaker 2: our kids keep eating these foods, we wonder again, why
Speaker 2: is there so much endometriosis, endometrial cancer, reproductive cancers, breast cancer,
Speaker 2: all of these cancers. Well, I mentioned that some chemicals
Speaker 2: act like estrogen. Acrylamide also acts like the hormone estrogen.
Speaker 2: So when our daughters are eating it. It messes with
Speaker 2: their genes and causes them to produce a toxic form
Speaker 2: of estrogen that then increases their risk for reproductive cancers.
Speaker 2: So again, David, these things are not being shared with consumers,
Speaker 2: and that's why I really felt it was necessary to
Speaker 2: write the book and share this information. You know, people
Speaker 2: can one of the fastest ways to make change in
Speaker 2: Americas through the marketplace, through the free market. And we've
Speaker 2: kind of always said, well, America is a free market,
Speaker 2: we're capitalists. But how free as a market when the
Speaker 2: manufacturers are withholding such vital information from the consumers and
Speaker 2: dumbing them down. And that's what I'm fighting against, to
Speaker 2: make people smarter and let them see what's really going
Speaker 2: on so they can protect themselves and their families.
Speaker 4: That's right. You can't have a marketplace.
Speaker 1: You can't have a free marketplace that the consumers don't
Speaker 1: have any information exactly.
Speaker 4: That's exactly. Say.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, Why are they putting these
Speaker 1: industrial chemicals in. Is it to be able to process
Speaker 1: the food more easily. Is it to make it go
Speaker 1: through the machines better? Is that why these industrial chemicals
Speaker 1: are finding their way in processing?
Speaker 2: Is a big part of it. Sometimes companies are just
Speaker 2: cheap and they buy cheap materials and inferior materials.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Also, companies pretend like they have all these testing procedures
Speaker 2: in place. They'll say our products are third party tested,
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 4: What they're really.
Speaker 2: Saying is, when we buy our materials, we tell our
Speaker 2: raw source material suppliers to test the products for us
Speaker 2: and give us those test results. But what they don't
Speaker 2: tell their suppliers is this is what we want to
Speaker 2: test you for, what we want you to test for,
Speaker 2: and these are the levels we want you to test that. Now,
Speaker 2: because I've been in the trench is so long, David,
Speaker 2: I know, with the suppliers to the brand say is, well,
Speaker 2: we're going to test the products, but we're not really
Speaker 2: going to look for the chemicals that they're concerned about,
Speaker 2: nor are we going to test at levels low enough
Speaker 2: to find them. So we're going to send them a
Speaker 2: quality certificate that says that everything is non detectable. Well,
Speaker 2: we go in there and test the products with really
Speaker 2: good lab methods, and that's when we find the thaltes,
Speaker 2: for example, or the dioxane. So this is really kind
Speaker 2: of a self induced blindness that the companies don't want
Speaker 2: to know the truth about their own products, so they
Speaker 2: leave it to their suppliers, and their suppliers willingly lie
Speaker 2: and deceive them because they want to keep supplying inferior
Speaker 2: materials that don't cost as much to process.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we always see that. I mean we see with
Speaker 1: political polls with when they're looking at pharmaceuticals. You might
Speaker 1: have three different companies and they both got pretty much
Speaker 1: the same. They got three different drugs to teach a
Speaker 1: to treat a particular problem, and so they'll each hire
Speaker 1: their people to test it, and lo and behold, the
Speaker 1: people that you hired, that you were paying are going
Speaker 1: to say that your brand is better than Brand B
Speaker 1: and Brand C. They've seen that over and over again,
Speaker 1: and so that's really what's happening because there isn't any oversight,
Speaker 1: There isn't any information outside this. You're our director of
Speaker 1: the Chemical Toxin Working Group. Tell us little bit about that.
Speaker 2: Well, we began in twenty twelve, and our mission is
Speaker 2: to make companies reveal the hidden chemical toxins in their products.
Speaker 2: And we do a lot of testing and I'm always
Speaker 2: buying play it's you know, I spend hours every day
Speaker 2: or one of our shoppers will buying products. For example,
Speaker 2: we took on Bumblebee and Chicken of the Sea and
Speaker 2: we took them on for selling oysters and clams from
Speaker 2: China that were filled with lead. So these products have
Speaker 2: so much lead in them that one and folks, these
Speaker 2: products are being sold in your neighborhood. So if you
Speaker 2: see canned clams, oysters, mussels and you want to have kids,
Speaker 2: these are not the products to buy. They have so
Speaker 2: much lead and cadmium in them. So much lead that
Speaker 2: eating one serving of one of these products is equivalent
Speaker 2: to a drinking about twenty glasses of drinking water from
Speaker 2: Flint in Michigan during the height of the lead crisis.
Speaker 2: So I'm telling mom and dad, don't buy these canned
Speaker 2: shellfish products. If you want to have kids, You're going
Speaker 2: to inundict your fetus or your children with heavy metals.
Speaker 2: So we take on big companies. In that case, we
Speaker 2: took on Chicken of the Seed, as I mentioned, Bumblebee,
Speaker 2: Kroger the supermarket chain, and Walmart all in one court case.
Speaker 2: And these are billion dollar companies. They joined together to
Speaker 2: fight us. But we want we want in court, we
Speaker 2: got a consent judgment, and that consent judgment said, now,
Speaker 2: at least in California, where we have stronger consumer laws,
Speaker 2: you have to notify the consumer on the label if
Speaker 2: your product contains heavy metals like letther cadmia. So we
Speaker 2: run a big victory for consumers, and we continue to
Speaker 2: do that. We continue to work in the area of foods, cosmetics,
Speaker 2: vitamin supplements, and we test and we test. Another product
Speaker 2: we found this is how we screw up fertility in America.
Speaker 2: There was a very popular olive oil product we tested
Speaker 2: that had a chemical called carbaryl in it. They weren't
Speaker 2: telling their customers, but we enlisted the help of the best,
Speaker 2: the most respected researcher in this field in the country,
Speaker 2: if not the world, who had found that carboyl at
Speaker 2: very low levels, David the Left from Everyday Exposures, was
Speaker 2: damaging men's sperm. So here you have a company selling
Speaker 2: olive oil products with carborel. Now men and women are
Speaker 2: using olive oil products daily. We use it for our
Speaker 2: health because of the fats, the different kinds of fats.
Speaker 2: They're olive oil. But if you're using it daily and
Speaker 2: it has so much carbaryl in it, and you're on
Speaker 2: the cusp of either being having a family or not,
Speaker 2: as so many couples are in America. This is the
Speaker 2: kind of exposure that can bring you from able to
Speaker 2: have a child to not being able to have a child. Yes,
Speaker 2: and it's every day, and you're not being told, and
Speaker 2: you know your mom and dad are going, why aren't
Speaker 2: we conceiving? And dad is going, I don't know. I'm
Speaker 2: eating olive oil every day and trying to be really healthy.
Speaker 2: But what he does and know, of course, is that
Speaker 2: that olive oil is tainted with carborel and that's damaging.
Speaker 2: The sperm can't make it up the vaginal canal to
Speaker 2: the ad because they're not strong enough. They don't have
Speaker 2: enough motility. So are there misshapen So we really are damaging.
Speaker 2: You know, this is a micro world, a nano world.
Speaker 2: We're talking about within our bodies. Yes, but these are
Speaker 2: just examples of the kinds of things we're fighting on
Speaker 2: a daily basis. We want a big settlement there so
Speaker 2: carbo will no longer be found in this company's olive
Speaker 2: oil products.
Speaker 4: That's great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, when we look at this, we see spermageddon.
Speaker 1: People have talked about that. Look at the decline and
Speaker 1: look at the decline and population. Of course there's a
Speaker 1: lot of different they're sociological factors involved in it. But
Speaker 1: a lot of this, I think is, as you point out,
Speaker 1: a lot of it is the environment. A lot of
Speaker 1: it is the products that we use. It can be
Speaker 1: cleaning products, it can be cereal, it can be bubble bath,
Speaker 1: it can be all these cosmetics that we use, and
Speaker 1: we really don't understand that, and it is something that
Speaker 1: is constantly changing and difficult to keep up with.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: One thing though, for listeners, don't get don't get defeated.
Speaker 2: Don't throw your hands up and say it's all poisoned.
Speaker 2: The reason why I wrote Raising Healthy Kids is to
Speaker 2: give you a black belt in protecting your children in
Speaker 2: the chemical talks in jungle. Yes, reading the book will
Speaker 2: really equip you. You'll read it once, you'll have all
Speaker 2: the information and then you can go on with the
Speaker 2: rest of your life. There's so many things that are
Speaker 2: so important that you might not know about. One little
Speaker 2: story in the book I'll just share. Family is in Portsmouth,
Speaker 2: New Hampshire. They just started their family. They had two
Speaker 2: young kids. They were sending off to preschool, David. What
Speaker 2: they didn't do was check the drinking water. The tap
Speaker 2: water at the preschool. That preschool was connected to a
Speaker 2: well that was drawing from an Air Force base that
Speaker 2: had been using all these forever chemicals. Wow, so their
Speaker 2: children were their bloodstream was inundated with chemicals that cause cancer, kidney,
Speaker 2: and liver disease. These kids were like four and five
Speaker 2: years old. The only thing they didn't do was asked
Speaker 2: the preschool, did you check your water?
Speaker 4: Do you test it?
Speaker 2: If they had just done that for two hundred dollars,
Speaker 2: they would have avoided a huge Do you know the
Speaker 2: recrimination the weak parents feel when our children suffer?
Speaker 4: Yes, you know.
Speaker 2: So there's so many things that people need to know,
Speaker 2: big things that are simple, but if you don't know them,
Speaker 2: it can change your life. That's what I'm trying to
Speaker 2: do in raising healthy kids is give you those big
Speaker 2: tips that will protect you in your family.
Speaker 1: And even as you point out before you know you
Speaker 1: talked about the products that one of them is bad
Speaker 1: and the other one sold right next to it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the whole foods.
Speaker 1: You know, if you got to eat this, don't eat
Speaker 1: that type of thing. But also as you point out,
Speaker 1: you know, to check the water. It's amazing how much
Speaker 1: stuff finds its way into the water. It can be
Speaker 1: something that's put there by the water system, or it
Speaker 1: can be something that is a spill. I remember a
Speaker 1: report that I talked to who was on the beat
Speaker 1: out in California, and there was a situation in a
Speaker 1: military base where they had disposed a lot of instruments
Speaker 1: that had radium in it, and nobody knew that, and
Speaker 1: it worked its way down into the water system. And
Speaker 1: so even though people were on well water, people out
Speaker 1: there in California were getting this radium high concentrations of
Speaker 1: radium in their water. And it's like, what's people getting sick?
Speaker 1: So and then they started investigating that. But yeah, that's
Speaker 1: probably a good tip to constantly be checking your water
Speaker 1: to see if there's something there. Even if you're not
Speaker 1: on a city system or something like that, even if
Speaker 1: you're pulling it out of the ground, there can still
Speaker 1: be groundwater contamination that you don't know about.
Speaker 4: Well that's true.
Speaker 2: Now some people might think that, well, what good will
Speaker 2: checking my water be if I can't afford to correct
Speaker 2: the problem. But what I did in raising healthy kids
Speaker 2: is we went down to Cancer Alley, Louisiana, and I
Speaker 2: wanted to go there to write some of the book
Speaker 2: Raising Healthy Kids, because I wanted to make sure that everyone,
Speaker 2: no matter what their budget is, could do the things
Speaker 2: that I'm talking about in raising Healthy Kids. So Cancer
Speaker 2: Alley is a stretch of river Mississippi River between Baton
Speaker 2: Rouge and New Orleans. It's about eighty five miles and
Speaker 2: there are about one hundred and fifty to two hundred
Speaker 2: chemical plants packed into these eighty five miles. You know,
Speaker 2: you'll see all the ships coming up from the Gulf
Speaker 2: with their oil and coal or coming down the river
Speaker 2: with their coal and or to these plants. This is
Speaker 2: where all the chemicals in our cosmetics, personal care products,
Speaker 2: this is where they're all made. As Cancer Alley, where
Speaker 2: all these plants are. The trouble is they're drinking water.
Speaker 2: There is atrocious we measure in it thalates, which we
Speaker 2: talked about, hexachlorocyclopentadine. I won't even go into what that is,
Speaker 2: but lots of different chemicals. And some people there though
Speaker 2: may make like fifteen seventeen thousand dollars a year, they
Speaker 2: don't make a lot of money. So what I often
Speaker 2: tell folks is if you're on a budget, don't worry
Speaker 2: about testing your water at home. I'm talking about at
Speaker 2: home now, if you're on a budget, I want you
Speaker 2: to do these things. And this is what I share
Speaker 2: in the book too. So this is a tip from
Speaker 2: our chapter on drinking water. Get yourself a little faucet
Speaker 2: filter that fits at the end of your faucet. They
Speaker 2: cost about twenty five dollars, right, and they do a
Speaker 2: pretty good job of filtering their water. But then I
Speaker 2: want you to get a picture filter like Zero Water
Speaker 2: or Brita. In our home, we use zero Water. Why
Speaker 2: because it filters out those forever chemicals. So you put
Speaker 2: the water from the faucet and then you put it
Speaker 2: into your pitcher, so you've double filtered your water. That
Speaker 2: picture will cost about thirty dollars. So for about fifty dollars, David,
Speaker 2: you have filtered your water and reduced probably eighty five
Speaker 2: to ninety percent of the contamination. Now, a really, a
Speaker 2: really you know triple A system can run three hundred,
Speaker 2: four hundred dollars or more. But not everyone has an
Speaker 2: available three or four hundred dollars at one time. But
Speaker 2: most people can afford a twenty five dollars thirty dollars purchase, right,
Speaker 2: So that's why I'm saying. Now, if you were mentioning
Speaker 2: all these chemicals and your home, well, when you shower,
Speaker 2: you know, and the water gets hot, then these chemicals
Speaker 2: become volatile and you breathe them. So I want you
Speaker 2: to take another twenty dollars and buy yourself a shower
Speaker 2: filter with activated carbon. Yes, now, for about seventy five dollars,
Speaker 2: you've done most.
Speaker 4: Of your home.
Speaker 2: But what if you garden. Now, I want you to
Speaker 2: get a little filter for your hose so you can
Speaker 2: get them out of your garden too, for another twenty
Speaker 2: or twenty five dollars. So for about one hundred dollars,
Speaker 2: no matter where you live, whether it's Cancer Alley or
Speaker 2: the Hamptons, you can protect yourself. And you need to
Speaker 2: do this because you know, the chemical toxins we're talking
Speaker 2: about tend to attack people of color more, but they
Speaker 2: do attack everyone, so everyone should be aware of this.
Speaker 2: The point is that all of us can do this.
Speaker 2: Don't let your budget be don't say I can't afford it.
Speaker 2: I bust so many myths in raising healthy kids. People
Speaker 2: will say for example, I can't afford organic foods because
Speaker 2: they're too expensive. Not true anymore. All the staples, David,
Speaker 2: all the staples, let us cellery, apples, they're all about
Speaker 2: the same price as conventionally growing now. And that's because
Speaker 2: so many oppers for the last twenty years have been
Speaker 2: waking up to wanting food without chemicals like pesticides or
Speaker 2: fungus sides. So they've grown this market again, it's the
Speaker 2: free market. As the demand has grown, prices have gone down.
Speaker 2: So this summer, for example, or last summer, you know,
Speaker 2: I could find organic produce just by shopping online that
Speaker 2: was cheaper than conventionally sourced produce. That's because we the shoppers,
Speaker 2: are waking up and making a difference.
Speaker 4: That's great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tell us a little bit about that too, because
Speaker 1: you know, and I like what you had to say
Speaker 1: about the water, and everybody should start with the water,
Speaker 1: because you consume so much of that. And even if
Speaker 1: you can't get one of these very expensive several hundred
Speaker 1: dollars filters, it's going to take out nine nine point
Speaker 1: nine percent of so many things. If you can get
Speaker 1: ninety percent of it out that that is a huge difference.
Speaker 1: It's going to make in your life, but talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about the labels in terms of, you know,
Speaker 1: something is organic something versus something that is non GMO
Speaker 1: and some of these other things. I think people get
Speaker 1: confused about that. I'm sure you cover that in your book.
Speaker 1: By the way, the book is Raising Healthy Kids, Protecting
Speaker 1: your Children from Hidden chemical toxins. Educates a little bit
Speaker 1: about some of these labels that we'll see out there
Speaker 1: and oh, sure, depend on sure.
Speaker 2: Well. One of the things I do talk about with
Speaker 2: regard to food is I do think organic food is
Speaker 2: a better choice than conventionally sourced food. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that organically grown foods are perfect, but in writing Raising
Speaker 2: Healthy Kids, I reviewed thousands and thousands of tests that
Speaker 2: were done on foods organic and non organic, and the
Speaker 2: non organic food was really infiltrated with a lot of
Speaker 2: chemical pesticides that you're obviously not told about on the labeling,
Speaker 2: whereas the organic foods rarely ever had any detectable pesticides.
Speaker 2: So the difference is enormous. And the reason why this
Speaker 2: is really important again, you know, we were talking about
Speaker 2: cosmetics shaving IQ points researchers at Columbia in the Northeast
Speaker 2: in New York City and UC Davis in California found
Speaker 2: them when kids were exposed to the chemicals in our foods,
Speaker 2: like the pesticides, they also lost five to seven IQ points. Now,
Speaker 2: the researchers in California found this among children who were
Speaker 2: exposed to pesticides because so many of their parents were
Speaker 2: farm workers. But in New York City, the kids parents
Speaker 2: weren't exposed to pesticides because they were farm workers. The
Speaker 2: kids were being exposed to these chemicals because they were
Speaker 2: eating the foods, and they were also losing five to
Speaker 2: seven IQ points. So organic is the real thing, and
Speaker 2: there are a lot of health benefits that come from
Speaker 2: organic foods. I know it's really fashionable to bash people
Speaker 2: like me who say, well organic, they're great food.
Speaker 4: You want to call me a hippie or don't know what,
Speaker 4: but oh listen.
Speaker 2: The published peer reviewed studies show that when your child
Speaker 2: is on an organic diet, they have less obesity, less diabetes,
Speaker 2: fewer skin and other kinds of allergies, lower risk of cancer. Mom,
Speaker 2: when she's pregnant and on organic foods, has fewer complications
Speaker 2: during her pregnancy too, and dad dad will have more
Speaker 2: of those little baby sperms, his fertility will increase. So
Speaker 2: organic is the real thing. Now you can buy non gmo.
Speaker 2: That means the foods were not genetically modified. And this
Speaker 2: is important too, because one of the reasons why foods
Speaker 2: are being props are being genetically modified is that so
Speaker 2: farmers can apply more herbicide to them. You know, there's
Speaker 2: a reason why lifeless said a round up is showing
Speaker 2: up in so many foods in America today. Lifeless say
Speaker 2: is thought to cause cancer among other problems. Yes, but
Speaker 2: the reason why it's showing up is so many crops
Speaker 2: are being genetically modified to withstand heavy doses of round up,
Speaker 2: so they can so the So there's herbicide companies can
Speaker 2: sell more round up, and the seed companies have modified
Speaker 2: their crops so they can take that more round up
Speaker 2: because they're the same company. The seed companies in the
Speaker 2: erboside companies are one and the same. So you know,
Speaker 2: you really do want to get non gmo, but non
Speaker 2: gmo may still have other pesticides applied to it.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 1: I want to give you an example, so you can
Speaker 1: have something as non gmo as you said, they might
Speaker 1: be putting that on there because they might want to
Speaker 1: really loaded up with pesticides. But something that is non
Speaker 1: GMO can still have pesticides, right.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, And so example, yeah, every loaf of
Speaker 2: bread we've ever tested that the Healthy Living Foundation has
Speaker 2: an organophosphate pesticide in it. These organo phosphate pesticides are
Speaker 2: nerve toxins. They damage the synapses between your nerves and
Speaker 2: inhibit an enzyme that breaks down the settle coaline. So
Speaker 2: at high doses that you would go into spasms and wow,
Speaker 2: be unable to function. But at low doses, these are
Speaker 2: what are causing ADHD in our kids. Yes, and so
Speaker 2: every local bread it may say non GMO, but it's
Speaker 2: still going to be sprayed with herbicides or pesticides. So
Speaker 2: organic is superior to non g M O. Organic will
Speaker 2: still be non GMO, but it also precludes uh, most
Speaker 2: of the pestal all all synthetic pesticides.
Speaker 1: And that's that, and that's the key thing that the
Speaker 1: that the organic is also non GMO.
Speaker 2: Right, organic is also non GMO, but it's also precludes
Speaker 2: so many pesticides that would be used, So it's a
Speaker 2: better it's a better label.
Speaker 1: It checks checks both of those boxes both pesticides and yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: that's good.
Speaker 4: That's good.
Speaker 1: That's important because it gets confusing. What about do you
Speaker 1: talk anything about eggs. I know this isn't really a
Speaker 1: chemical thing, but it gets so confusing when you go
Speaker 1: that it's like this is free range and this is
Speaker 1: you know, all these different labels that they got for
Speaker 1: the eggs. Stuff is very confusing. It's like I don't
Speaker 1: even know what the differences of these with these different
Speaker 1: labels that they got for the eggs.
Speaker 2: That's a great question too, that now we're talking about
Speaker 2: animals and for example, free range, pasture raised and grassped
Speaker 2: for beef for example, is another one. So being a
Speaker 2: bleeding heart for animal well liberal for animal welfare and
Speaker 2: human welfare as well, but both of us. I do
Speaker 2: try to buy products, but I've looked them up, and
Speaker 2: these labels can be misleading because if they say free range,
Speaker 2: it could mean like maybe an hour or two a
Speaker 2: day that they're let out of their coup So there
Speaker 2: are again I buy organic, and I do look for
Speaker 2: uncaged poultry eggs and that it will say it on
Speaker 2: the label. Also, you should get to know the company
Speaker 2: you're buying your eggs. From because as I said, they
Speaker 2: can claim to be free range but not let their
Speaker 2: birds out very much because again, unless it's at most
Speaker 2: of them are certified. If they're certified, the animals will
Speaker 2: be treated much better. Also with beef, we also have
Speaker 2: now organic versus grass fed beef, and I'm okay with
Speaker 2: grass fed beef. Now, the big thing with beef is
Speaker 2: that cattle and America are treated with hormones, both estrogen
Speaker 2: and progesterone and testosterone, and these levels can be measured
Speaker 2: in your beef. So there have been articles recently about
Speaker 2: our daughters reaching menarchy or puberty.
Speaker 4: Earlier and earlier.
Speaker 2: Yes, and the reason why this is happening in Western
Speaker 2: society again, I'll come back to the sex hormones that
Speaker 2: we're inundating our kids with. If your daughter is eating
Speaker 2: a lot of beef and it's not grass fed or organic,
Speaker 2: she's getting a lot of extra hormones. And these things
Speaker 2: will cause earlier menarchy in our daughters, and that's not
Speaker 2: a good thing.
Speaker 4: One.
Speaker 2: It increases their risk for breast cancer and other reproductive cancers.
Speaker 2: The longer that reproductive window is open for women, the
Speaker 2: greater the chances for cancer later in life. So we
Speaker 2: really want to be careful about that. Now with beef,
Speaker 2: I mentioned I'm okay with grass fed, and I've studied this,
Speaker 2: and that's because fed beef also tends to be It
Speaker 2: may not be labeled organic, but if you get beef
Speaker 2: that's been grass fed from beginning to end, it's still
Speaker 2: going to it's not going to have hormones, and it's
Speaker 2: going to be very low in any kind of pesticides
Speaker 2: that would have accumulated in the grains that are being fed,
Speaker 2: for example, corn fed beef. So grass fed and organic
Speaker 2: are your best choices for beef, and there's a big
Speaker 2: reason for that. Another good reason is ranchers who sell
Speaker 2: grass fed beef, pork, and so on tend to think
Speaker 2: of themselves really as grass managers. What they say is
Speaker 2: give me a little rain, give me a little grass,
Speaker 2: and I can give you your beef for your pork.
Speaker 2: So they're very conservation oriented. And I interviewed for Raising
Speaker 2: Healthy Kids mel Coleman, who's ranches up in Colorado, and
Speaker 2: he just talked about one hundred years of regenerative ranching.
Speaker 2: They've really remade so much of that area into grasslands,
Speaker 2: healthy grasslands because they move their herds. In this case
Speaker 2: it's a couple. It was a couple thousand gallo at
Speaker 2: one time, but they moved them in ways that the
Speaker 2: grass would regenerate and they were not fed corn and grains.
Speaker 2: You want to avoid corn fed or brain fed beef
Speaker 2: though that's the beef that will have the hormones added
Speaker 2: to it. You want grass fed or organic when it
Speaker 2: comes to beef, pork, and your other meats.
Speaker 4: That's interesting.
Speaker 1: And of course let me ask you this because we've
Speaker 1: just had some of these cases come up.
Speaker 4: With the Amish farmer Amos Miller, who.
Speaker 1: Was you had a situation where everybody's buying shares of
Speaker 1: his beef and he was raising them grass fed, and
Speaker 1: then when COVID came and it was difficult to get
Speaker 1: things to the market and have him slaughtered, he decided
Speaker 1: that he would do the slaughtering there. And it was
Speaker 1: kind of a club situation, and so he did that.
Speaker 1: The USDA came in and shut him down, saying that
Speaker 1: you've got to have all of the cattle slaughtered at
Speaker 1: an official USDA site. Now when when they're taken there,
Speaker 1: they put them on grains there at the feed lots, right,
Speaker 1: But it's not enough that it's going to really make
Speaker 1: that big of a change. Is that is that the
Speaker 1: way we would look at it or what? What do
Speaker 1: you think about that.
Speaker 2: There are not every feed lot, no grass fed beef
Speaker 2: would not be fed you want to be sure, but
Speaker 2: most grass fed beef is not being finished with grains.
Speaker 4: Oh it's not.
Speaker 2: Okay, they're not being finished with grains. So, but you're
Speaker 2: right about the slaughterhouses, and that's the USDA is really
Speaker 2: really strict. And you know, even the label for their
Speaker 2: natural USDA water down. That's why you know you're asking
Speaker 2: about labels. You know you'll also see natural naturally raised
Speaker 2: on your beef products. That doesn't mean anything, So you
Speaker 2: want grass fed. What naturally raised means is just they
Speaker 2: will still be given hormones or antibiotics. In the case
Speaker 2: of poultry, naturally raised does not mean that they weren't
Speaker 2: given hormones.
Speaker 4: Or antibiotics.
Speaker 2: So naturally raised is not enough protection you want grass
Speaker 2: fed or organic beer beef products.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you just mentioned poultry. I talked to
Speaker 1: Tennessee State Senator here and common Tennessee Senator in nicely,
Speaker 1: and he was talking about how they finish off in
Speaker 1: many cases, chicken with arsenic make them gain weight very rapidly.
Speaker 1: Do it at the end of it. And so you know,
Speaker 1: you get this blowa out. You know, the chickens, it's
Speaker 1: not enough to kill them before they slaughter them.
Speaker 4: But what do you want know?
Speaker 1: And he said, I've tried to get this stuff out,
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of a lot of interest the
Speaker 1: big business of the of the chicken thing they really
Speaker 1: fight stopping this arsenic. Is that something that you've seen
Speaker 1: or know about the arsenic and chickens at the.
Speaker 2: End, Well, that that is a new one, the arsenic.
Speaker 2: I don't know about arsenic. Yeah, but I do know.
Speaker 2: I do know that generally speaking, people will ask me
Speaker 2: what about when I'm dining out? What do I do
Speaker 2: then if I don't if I'm not quite sure about
Speaker 2: the source of the meat, generally speaking, And when I
Speaker 2: write wrote raising Healthy Kids, what I'm trying to do
Speaker 2: is get you the biggest reductions possible, you know, for
Speaker 2: the least effort or the least cost.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like we're talking about the water.
Speaker 1: You know, if you can get rid of ninety percent
Speaker 1: of it, that's a huge improvement.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean it's you know, but with when
Speaker 2: you're dining now and you're looking at at meats, poultry
Speaker 2: is a much safer choice than beef. And the way
Speaker 2: to make your poultry safest or your beef safest is
Speaker 2: to cut out the fatty portions if you can resist
Speaker 2: not eating some of the fat. For example, some of
Speaker 2: the most harmful chemicals that we know today, like DDT
Speaker 2: and hepticlor accumulate in the fatty portions of animals and humans.
Speaker 2: So if you have a nice cut of beef with
Speaker 2: a lot of fat on it, it will tend to
Speaker 2: have more pesticide in it if you are serving. If
Speaker 2: you're buying poultry, for example, and you have fried chicken,
Speaker 2: you know the skin is the fattiest portion. Plus that
Speaker 2: breaded portion will have all those organic phosphate pesticides, So
Speaker 2: you might be better off with a grilled a piece
Speaker 2: of with grilled chicken, for example. But when you're dining out,
Speaker 2: poultry is always safer than beef. Turkey is always safer
Speaker 2: than chicken. And it's just the way of the studies
Speaker 2: come out. So that's another tip that I bring up
Speaker 2: in raising healthy kids is when you're diving out, what
Speaker 2: you look.
Speaker 4: For that's great.
Speaker 1: That's great, And that's the key thing, is just being
Speaker 1: wise and trying to minimize because there isn't a one
Speaker 1: hundred percent solution for anything in the real world. You're
Speaker 1: just trying to to minimize the harmful stuff and maximize
Speaker 1: the beneficial stuff. And that's the real wisdom of the book.
Speaker 1: I think, well, is there a category here that we
Speaker 1: haven't talked to me? We've talked about pesticized, we talked
Speaker 1: about cosmetics, we've talked about we talked about visually. We
Speaker 1: haven't talked about cereals and stuff. I guess you know,
Speaker 1: when you look at the cereal and it's all these
Speaker 1: bright florescent colors, you might think that something's wrong. But
Speaker 1: there's probably a lot of things that put themselves out
Speaker 1: there as a healthy cereal that probably have the same
Speaker 1: problems as that bright fluorescent colored stuff too.
Speaker 4: Maybe huh, oh, my god, you mean those fruit hoops.
Speaker 2: You mean those fruit hoops?
Speaker 4: Weren't that healthy?
Speaker 2: I thought?
Speaker 4: Oops?
Speaker 2: I thought fruit hoops were part of a wooding breakfast.
Speaker 4: Oh, no, tell me things.
Speaker 1: So they really advertise that stuff heavily to the kids,
Speaker 1: don't they. So what is apparently if they want to
Speaker 1: get some cereals. So what's the best bet on that, Seriah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, again, the grains are heavily sprayed with organic phosphate pesticides.
Speaker 4: So your number one.
Speaker 2: Decision maker for cereals, mom and dad is get it organic.
Speaker 2: Don't think they will be more expensive, and don't let
Speaker 2: anyone tell you that you're being silly or dumb for
Speaker 2: buying organic foods. I know there's a lot of organic
Speaker 2: food bashing going on, but it makes a huge difference
Speaker 2: in your kid's life. I'm really coming to you with
Speaker 2: straight facts. When you're buying cereal, you want organic, you know.
Speaker 2: I talk to so many parents who find that when
Speaker 2: they stop serving their kids all these food dies, Like
Speaker 2: we're talking about fruit loops right, and you know, cereals
Speaker 2: can be so brightly colored with often they were and
Speaker 2: still continue to be with food dyes. These food dies
Speaker 2: are another cause of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. Wow, and
Speaker 2: mom and dad will find that when they remove food
Speaker 2: dice from their kids diet as well as the organical
Speaker 2: phosphate pesticides in their grains, their kids' behavior will improve
Speaker 2: and it comes pretty fast. So organic is the big
Speaker 2: key for buying the cereals. As well, and it will
Speaker 2: go a long way towards giving your child a better breakfast,
Speaker 2: stay away from all those food dies that are in
Speaker 2: the cereals.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and that's a key thing when you mentioned
Speaker 1: the fact that as the marketplace says we want more organic,
Speaker 1: then that starts to build a critical mass, and it
Speaker 1: starts to get cheaper. As you point out, it's not
Speaker 1: a premium product anymore. You can get it at the
Speaker 1: same price, or as you said, some places, you can
Speaker 1: find it less the non organic stuff, so it's no
Speaker 1: longer something is available only to people who have more
Speaker 1: money to spend on the food. You could certainly make
Speaker 1: the argument that you're going to save, as you did
Speaker 1: with the water testing, money spent upfront on making sure
Speaker 1: that your food is clean, your water as clean is
Speaker 1: going to be a real economic decision rather than having
Speaker 1: to treat the results of eating food that is loaded
Speaker 1: with all these other things. I mean, you know, let
Speaker 1: the food be your medicine upfront and not create these situations.
Speaker 1: That's the really wise thing I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that you know, the one hundred dollars
Speaker 2: for example, we talked about you may spend to filter
Speaker 2: your water if you're on a budget, it's going to
Speaker 2: be so much more valuable than the health insurance you
Speaker 2: cant you know, filtering your water is can prevent illness.
Speaker 2: Health insurance is going to pay for some of your illness.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: So you know, and these you know, David, these changes
Speaker 2: come when you start on a really wholesome diet, like
Speaker 2: I'm prescribing and raising healthy kids, you feel better, and
Speaker 2: these changes come almost immediately. Our bodies are extremely sensitive
Speaker 2: to our environment, our internal environment and our external environment.
Speaker 2: And mom and dad, as you put your kids on
Speaker 2: a healthier diet, their behaviors will improve, Your health will improve.
Speaker 2: It really works. Plus the big thing is, you know
Speaker 2: we're talking about organic foods. How shoppers have created that market.
Speaker 2: You know, in my reporting in California, I used to
Speaker 2: go to a town in California called Salinas, and Selenas
Speaker 2: is called the salad bowl of America because about seventy
Speaker 2: percent of all lettuce is grown in this area of California.
Speaker 2: The town and all the schools are carved right out
Speaker 2: of the farm fields. You'll see see thousands of acres
Speaker 2: of farmfield and then a little school in the middle. There.
Speaker 2: I used to go to these schools and they were
Speaker 2: surrounded by fields being sprayed with pesticides.
Speaker 4: Wow, And the kids.
Speaker 2: Were playing in the yard, there's a chain link fence,
Speaker 2: and on the other side of the yard, and the
Speaker 2: chain link fence is the farm field and there's no buffer,
Speaker 2: and they're all being sprayed. I returned to Selena's to
Speaker 2: write Raising Healthy Kids during the pandemic and went to
Speaker 2: these same schools. They were all surrounded by organic strawberry
Speaker 2: and lettuce fields.
Speaker 4: So I caught up.
Speaker 2: One of the teachers. I said, what's going on here?
Speaker 2: He said, well, David, it's because of shoppers like you
Speaker 2: that have motivated all the farmers here to go organic.
Speaker 2: So they're planting organic strawberry and lettuce fields all around
Speaker 2: the schools now to grow these crops that you're buying.
Speaker 2: And I was really David, I was really overjoyed. I
Speaker 2: was kind of crying with joy because listen for years
Speaker 2: in the early two thousands, when there was barely an
Speaker 2: organic market, I would listen to all these people saying,
Speaker 2: you know, why waste your money on organic foods? Why
Speaker 2: pay this much for those organic strawberries. I was doing
Speaker 2: it kind of on faith. That I was making a difference,
Speaker 2: that's great. But to see it materialize and Selena's like
Speaker 2: idea showed me that my actions are not only good
Speaker 2: for my health and my family's health, but they're actually
Speaker 2: helping my neighbors, people I may never have known three
Speaker 2: hundred miles north of me, but now I can see
Speaker 2: that my choices were improving their lives too.
Speaker 4: That's right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I always say that the issues are local, and
Speaker 1: we do it one on one, and we do it
Speaker 1: from the ground up, if we weren't real change, and
Speaker 1: I've seen this type of thing even in my life.
Speaker 1: I've told the story before on the radio here that
Speaker 1: forty years ago we had a dog that came down
Speaker 1: with a particular type of lymphoma and I heard a
Speaker 1: radio report about how farm workers were getting that same
Speaker 1: thing and said, yeah, they use this stuff. They spray
Speaker 1: it on lawns, you know, to keep the weeds down
Speaker 1: and everything. And our daughter, our dog was getting out
Speaker 1: and got into that. And so it's like that really
Speaker 1: clicked with me right there, how important that exposure is.
Speaker 4: And it's been a while. That's cute, David.
Speaker 2: That's so huge, because you know, to back up what
Speaker 2: you're saying, there are actually studies that show that when
Speaker 2: we use these We didn't really talk about our lawns
Speaker 2: mm hmm. But ask if you're able to afford someone
Speaker 2: who's taking care of your lawn, ask them what they're using.
Speaker 2: Please know what they're using, and if they're using chemical pesticides,
Speaker 2: please tell them to stop, not only for your kids,
Speaker 2: but David, there are studies now that show that these
Speaker 2: same chemicals do cause increased cancer. And our canine friends, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's right, So what's your dog? You know, the lymphoma
Speaker 2: was definitely oh, you see the pretty clearly.
Speaker 1: It was even the company that didn't even put a
Speaker 1: sign out said you know, keep kids and dogs and
Speaker 1: pets and everything off of this lawn. It's like, why
Speaker 1: why would you put something on there?
Speaker 4: Kids? And that's on in the first place. But you know,
Speaker 4: we weren't doing our lawn, but the neighbor.
Speaker 1: Was, and he's getting out of escaping out of the
Speaker 1: fence and getting over into their lawn, and so yeah,
Speaker 1: it was pretty clear what was happening with that same
Speaker 1: type of cancer that they had with that. So it
Speaker 1: affects our lives in so many different ways, and it's
Speaker 1: something that is being done. I think in many cases
Speaker 1: taking an economic shortcut, as you point out, you know,
Speaker 1: they might save just a little bit of money, but
Speaker 1: it's the volume that they make it up on. And
Speaker 1: so I think that's one of the other reasons why
Speaker 1: if we keep it small, if we keep it local,
Speaker 1: that helps a great deal. But as you point it out,
Speaker 1: by voting with our pocketbook and voting for organic stuff,
Speaker 1: and I think the same thing is going to happen
Speaker 1: if we do that with other products, if we do
Speaker 1: that with cosmetics and other things like that, make it
Speaker 1: known to them, hey we don't want this stuff. You know,
Speaker 1: that's such a marketplace thing. Can work with other things
Speaker 1: other than organic food. We can have organic makeup and
Speaker 1: other things like that. So it's important.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, there's a lot of stupidity in the
Speaker 2: world and someone has to be the adult. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: to be adults, we need information if they keep keeping
Speaker 2: you You're so right though, because you know, organic cosmetics
Speaker 2: are now widely available, David. Again, it's because of shoppers saying, hey,
Speaker 2: I just don't want these chemicals, and companies are responding
Speaker 2: because of the profit mode.
Speaker 4: That's right, that's right.
Speaker 2: So You're absolutely right. We are changing the market, so.
Speaker 1: Be a smart consumer. And one of the ways that
Speaker 1: you can educate yourself about what is going very quickly.
Speaker 1: Excellent book, Raising Healthy Kids Protecting Your Children from Hidden
Speaker 1: Chemicals and toxins David Steiman and David it's on Amazon.
Speaker 1: Is there a place that you prefer that they go?
Speaker 1: Is there some place that you sell that directly or
Speaker 1: a website?
Speaker 4: All?
Speaker 2: Thank you for asking support your local bookseller. The book
Speaker 2: is available everywhere, so go to your local independent bookseller
Speaker 2: and you can get Raising Healthy Kids Protecting Your Children
Speaker 2: from Hidden Chemical talks good.
Speaker 4: Or you can go to Amazon and Barnes and.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, the people that work there guys pretty hard.
Speaker 1: I agree, Yeah, get it, get it locally if you can,
Speaker 1: and it probably is everywhere. Raising Healthy Kids by David Steiman.
Speaker 1: It's been a real pleasure talking to you, and that's
Speaker 1: a very important book and we will be getting that
Speaker 1: far family, absolutely because that's my son's wife is pregnant
Speaker 1: and so we really want of all you needed this
Speaker 1: stuff right now?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: We better, yeah, we better get you a copy as
Speaker 2: a friend.
Speaker 1: We will thank you so much, David. It is great
Speaker 1: talking to you. A very important book raising healthy kids.
Speaker 1: I have a good day. Thank you so much, and folks,
Speaker 1: thank you. We're just about the end of the show
Speaker 1: here and I want to thank everybody for joining us.
Speaker 1: I've got one more thing that I did not cover
Speaker 1: that was sent to us besides the flag, and that
Speaker 1: is this book. They said, I can give this to
Speaker 1: my kids Doctor Fauci. How boy from Brooklyn, America's doctor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that can educate the kids about doctor Fauci. Or I
Speaker 1: guess we could go back and get the archives for
Speaker 1: one of the kids a little bit older, and I'll
Speaker 1: educate them about a lot of things about doctor Fauci
Speaker 1: and other things that are happening in our society.
Speaker 6: Barb.
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about fear, because I mentioned
Speaker 1: this yesterday. I said, why do you have these Christian
Speaker 1: pastors out there who are putting in a spirit of
Speaker 1: fear into people about this election? So we don't need
Speaker 1: to fear this. We got to look at it objectively
Speaker 1: and everything. But we need to set the standard of
Speaker 1: morality high. We need to set the standard of christ high,
Speaker 1: and we don't need to yoke ourselves to the corrupt
Speaker 1: individuals and they'll apologetically say, well, you know, nobody's perfect. Well,
Speaker 1: most people don't brag about That's one of the things
Speaker 1: I said about.
Speaker 2: Trump from the very beginning.
Speaker 1: I said, you know, for the longest time, I had said,
Speaker 1: you know, what is it about the LGBT people, Well,
Speaker 1: they have their pride parades. I said, they're proud of
Speaker 1: their sin. I said, people don't typically parade their sin,
Speaker 1: and they're not typically proud of it, but these people are.
Speaker 1: And I even use the analogy, I said, do you
Speaker 1: have adulterer parades? You know that might wind you up
Speaker 1: in divorce court. But you know, when Trump came on
Speaker 1: the scene politically, I said, well, I guess I have
Speaker 1: to change that analogy because he is somebody who is
Speaker 1: proud of his adultery. Right, he parades his immorality like
Speaker 1: the LGBT people do. And that's a big problem. Why
Speaker 1: would you ally yourself to that. And you know, you
Speaker 1: have the Christian churches who will criticize the Conservatives, who
Speaker 1: will criticize the liberal Christians who attach themselves to LGBT
Speaker 1: and elevate and worship LGBT, and yet they do it
Speaker 1: with Trump, and the two of them are both proud
Speaker 1: of their sin. So but it really comes down to fear.
Speaker 1: And I saw this on a world it says, are
Speaker 1: conservative Christians driven by fear? You know, you got a
Speaker 1: lot of the so called leaders tell you to vote
Speaker 1: out of fear. And a lot of these leaders were
Speaker 1: also telling you four years ago, like al Muhller was
Speaker 1: telling you to take the vaccine out of fear and
Speaker 1: do it because you love your neighbor and so forth,
Speaker 1: all these different things. But the question is, you know,
Speaker 1: should Christians be looking to Christ as their leader? Because
Speaker 1: if you're looking to Christ as your leader, you don't
Speaker 1: have fear. Right, what would you fear if you really
Speaker 1: see yourself in His hand? What would you fear if
Speaker 1: Christians ever, and I say Christians is at large. Right,
Speaker 1: if the church at large begins to see itself in
Speaker 1: the hand of Christ, if they see Christ as their
Speaker 1: leader and their protector, that's going to make a big difference.
Speaker 1: But if they don't, they have to keep quiet, they
Speaker 1: have to not rock the boat, and they're ashamed of
Speaker 1: their faith and they live in fear, and it's being
Speaker 1: sold to them by these people who have thousands of
Speaker 1: people show up every week to their building and or
Speaker 1: they run seminaries like al Moller, and you know they've
Speaker 1: got to tow that line. Or they want to have
Speaker 1: connections to politicians. You know, they want to be seen
Speaker 1: standing next to Trump or praying for Trump or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, you stop and think about it. Christ said
Speaker 1: those who are not sick don't need a physician. If
Speaker 1: you think you've got everything handled and you don't need
Speaker 1: any forgiveness, you're not going to get forgiveness. And you
Speaker 1: know you see that with Trump, don't you. I've played
Speaker 1: for you. The clips were Frank Luntz and Jake Tapper
Speaker 1: of all people talk to him, Don't you think you
Speaker 1: need forgiveness? You say that, you know, you kind of
Speaker 1: nod your head to the Christians and so forth, and no,
Speaker 1: I don't really think I need any forgiveness. I really
Speaker 1: don't think I need any forgiveness. That is the most
Speaker 1: dangerous position. Where are all these people who are praying
Speaker 1: for him? Do they really love him if they won't
Speaker 1: tell him that he does need forgiveness and where he
Speaker 1: can find forgiveness. You got all these pastors like Paula
Speaker 1: White and this Hispanic guy that I don't need Maldonado
Speaker 1: or something was it the guy who has six homes,
Speaker 1: a private jet, one hundred and twenty million dollars in
Speaker 1: terms of his net assets and all the reston. Does
Speaker 1: he talk to Trump and say, you know, you stand
Speaker 1: condemned before God, and the only way that you're going
Speaker 1: to stop that condemnation is through Christ. They've never given
Speaker 1: him the gospel. These people stand next to him, they
Speaker 1: make a big show out of praying for him, and
Speaker 1: they hate him. How could you do that over and
Speaker 1: over again? I'm a spiritual advisor, says Paul White. How
Speaker 1: could you over and over again? You don't tell him
Speaker 1: the gospel. What they're doing is they're feeding his greed
Speaker 1: because these people are greedy. Paul White and these other
Speaker 1: prosperity gospel preachers are just all about the money, and
Speaker 1: so is Trump, and they just, you know, they just
Speaker 1: grift off of each other. They have nothing to do
Speaker 1: with a gospel, They have no hope to give him,
Speaker 1: and they are trying to put that spirit of fear
Speaker 1: in you. And it's not just a prosperity gospel people either.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of these Baptist conservative preachers out there
Speaker 1: who are doing it. I said the Archbishop of Vigano,
Speaker 1: who is a conservative in his politics, he's doing that
Speaker 1: as well. And so this guy says, you know, talking
Speaker 1: about fear, he said, at times, it seems like the
Speaker 1: media is obsessed with the fears the conservative Christians supposedly possess.
Speaker 1: And with that, he's talking about how they always call
Speaker 1: us transphobic or homophobic or this. This is always a
Speaker 1: phobia there, right, So he says, well, you know, they
Speaker 1: have a christian aphobia, christanophobia. Maybe I think we just
Speaker 1: need to stop with all the fraudulent psychology, all the
Speaker 1: Sigmund Freud. Freud is a fraud. Let's stop with all
Speaker 1: the phobia stuff. You know, Let's just understand we've got
Speaker 1: nothing to fear but God. And if you fear God,
Speaker 1: he is a merciful God as well.
Speaker 4: But it has been.
Speaker 1: Argued that these fears have turned Christians into monsters, made
Speaker 1: them afraid of women, motivated their voting, and led them
Speaker 1: to become intolerant. Scholars have argued that conservative Christianity has
Speaker 1: created a culture of fear, and they've called conservative Christianity
Speaker 1: the religion of fear. Well, I got to say, you know,
Speaker 1: when you look at these people who are telling you
Speaker 1: got to vote for Trump. Whether they're doing they're telling
Speaker 1: you that out of fear, they're trying to tend that
Speaker 1: that fear with people. They even accused Christians of fearing
Speaker 1: that they are declining and thus need to increase their fertility,
Speaker 1: he says. As I studied christanophobia and academic bias, he said,
Speaker 1: I realized that the academics have a powerful motivation to
Speaker 1: focus on negative characteristics with Christians, particularly white evangelicals. It's
Speaker 1: not simply that certain academics seek to portray Christians in
Speaker 1: a negative light, but it's also the fact that they
Speaker 1: are hesitant to see the same negative traits among other groups,
Speaker 1: particularly groups that the member of You can always see
Speaker 1: the mote in the other person's eye, that log in
Speaker 1: the other person's eye, the splinter, and you don't see
Speaker 1: the big one in yours. But these people are full
Speaker 1: of fear, aren't they. On the left, they have the
Speaker 1: utmost fear of global warming and co two, they have
Speaker 1: Trump fear. Just like the A lot of these conservative
Speaker 1: Christians are pushing the fear of La La Well, these
Speaker 1: people push the fear of Trump. When it became apparent
Speaker 1: that Biden was highly unlikely to win reelection. It was
Speaker 1: not merely the tone of disappointment, but it was a
Speaker 1: sound of desperation. And it was also the sound of fear.
Speaker 1: And I say that, you know, he says, I look
Speaker 1: at this, and I see that they have a lot
Speaker 1: of fear, and they can't see their fear. Can we
Speaker 1: see our fear? They were afraid with Biden there, it's collapsing.
Speaker 1: He's not going to win. Everything is lost. Are we
Speaker 1: seeing the same type of thing on our side? This
Speaker 1: is what was the basis of the grift of Stop
Speaker 1: the Steel and Trump's Save America was the fear got
Speaker 1: a lot of people into a lot of trouble unnecessarily.
Speaker 1: I said, there's no reason to go there. I said,
Speaker 1: it's going to be a trap. They trap us with fear,
Speaker 1: they destroy us, they use depopulation shots on us because
Speaker 1: of fear. We should not have fear like these other people.
Speaker 1: But I see that same type of fear that he
Speaker 1: sees in the left about Biden. I see that same
Speaker 1: type of fear on the right being sold by people
Speaker 1: who should be Christian leaders. Do we believe that those
Speaker 1: who lament about the end of democracy? See both sides
Speaker 1: are saying this and if we're not careful, if we
Speaker 1: don't push back against this fear, this fear is going
Speaker 1: to be used to create a civil war one way
Speaker 1: or the other. That's why they're doing it, fear that
Speaker 1: their political or religious group is going to be left out. Well,
Speaker 1: I just have to say that as Christians were not
Speaker 1: given a spirit of fear. So if you've got a
Speaker 1: Christian leader who is selling you fear, then they're not
Speaker 1: selling you Christ. They're selling you something else. They have
Speaker 1: a spirit that is opposed to Christ. That spirit of
Speaker 1: fear is coming from Satan's not coming from Christ. And
Speaker 1: these politicians want to be politicians who are standing up
Speaker 1: in front of these churches and telling people you've got
Speaker 1: to vote for Trump. Now you got to vote where
Speaker 1: it's a sin. They're selling you a spirit of fear.
Speaker 1: They're not giving you a message from Christ, They're giving
Speaker 1: you a message from Satan. What is it the political
Speaker 1: progresses fear? And how might that fear be manifested in
Speaker 1: their actions in our society? He said, My recent work
Speaker 1: points to a distinct source of fear for political progressives,
Speaker 1: and that is conservative Christians. They fear Christians, they don't
Speaker 1: fear God. They fear Christians, well, he says, Christians can
Speaker 1: say that they have a right to fear the larger
Speaker 1: culture as well. Ultimately, I cannot determine if the fear
Speaker 1: within progressives is higher or more consequential than the fear
Speaker 1: within Christians. As I said yesterday, repeated over and over
Speaker 1: again the Bible, fear not, fear not, fear not. Why
Speaker 1: Because God rules. God rules. Even when we have Detalitarians
Speaker 1: in place in our society, God still rules. And even
Speaker 1: when the wicked succeed, God rules. I asked the question
Speaker 1: in some so many times, why do the wicked prosper?
Speaker 1: Why do they succeed? Well, we take solace in the
Speaker 1: fact that God is in control and that He sees
Speaker 1: what is happening. So let them fear. We don't have
Speaker 1: that spirit. If we have that spirit, you better cast
Speaker 1: it out, and you better stop paying attention to these
Speaker 1: people who are pushing that fear.
Speaker 2: Wearing of biased and false neooze has become all too common.
Speaker 7: First, unfortunately, and this is extremely dangerous to our democracy.
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Speaker 4: This is extremely dangerous to our democracy.
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Speaker 5: This is extremely dangerous to our democracy.
Speaker 1: This is extremely dangerous to our democracy.
Speaker 5: This is extremely dangerous to our democracy.
Speaker 2: This is extremely dangerous to our democracy.
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