1 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:11,919 Speaker 1: What's going on? Clippers fans. 2 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 2: Welcome to. 3 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 1: Clippers Nuggets Game six preview, coming on the heels of 4 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,280 what was not a very fun live stream last time, 5 00:00:24,359 --> 00:00:29,120 Carl Tart and I lamenting the loss that the Clippers committed. 6 00:00:29,239 --> 00:00:32,960 Is committed the right word? I don't know. The Clippers 7 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:37,359 played terribly yesterday. We really hope they don't play terribly 8 00:00:37,399 --> 00:00:40,359 tomorrow because the season is now on the line for 9 00:00:40,399 --> 00:00:42,479 a multitude of reasons. We're going to get into all 10 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:47,640 that in just a bit, but I welcome to the show. 11 00:00:47,679 --> 00:00:49,920 If you're new to the show, I am Chuck Mockler. 12 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:53,399 Adam Olsen's probably going to be late, as is Will Updyke, 13 00:00:54,159 --> 00:00:56,719 but we have a schedule to keep none the less. 14 00:00:56,799 --> 00:00:58,759 Welcome to clips and Dip. If you want to listen 15 00:00:58,799 --> 00:01:01,159 to our old episodes where we talked about how things 16 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,040 might go well or go wrong, check them out. Subscribe 17 00:01:04,239 --> 00:01:06,760 YouTube dot complished at Clippers Podcast. We're gonna put this 18 00:01:06,799 --> 00:01:12,799 out is audio later tonight as well. Max Skywalker saying 19 00:01:12,879 --> 00:01:15,239 let's go that's the attitude we need. That was a 20 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:19,079 difficult day yesterday for Clippers fans. Well more of a 21 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:25,439 night I guess, pitiful effort just not not what any 22 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:27,840 of us wanted. And I don't think the postgame stuff 23 00:01:27,879 --> 00:01:34,120 helped it all. It just it felt like the wheels 24 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:38,000 fell off last night a little bit. All Right, there 25 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,840 we go, we got the comeback. Clips are coming back. 26 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:48,400 Let's hope. So they need to Carlos Decido saying, it's 27 00:01:48,439 --> 00:01:52,519 the next day. I need positivity, mister positive, Chuck Buckler. 28 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:58,120 I was down yesterday. I will admit that, but we 29 00:01:58,159 --> 00:02:00,680 are here to try and bring a little bit of positivity. 30 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,560 There's been a lot of chatter so far today. First 31 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,040 of all, no injuries for the game tomorrow. I'm assuming 32 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:12,800 everyone knew that. Max Skywalker saying what's been going on 33 00:02:12,879 --> 00:02:19,639 since last night? Any new insights? Not really, there hasn't 34 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,080 been a whole bunch of stuff to come out. There 35 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,599 hasn't been any. Uh. Derek Jones junior news, but he's 36 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:30,400 not on the injury report, so he is good to go. Yeah, 37 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:36,560 that's good. I guess William Updyke, what's up man? How 38 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,360 are you doing? I was just I don't know if 39 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,319 you caught the stream yesterday, but I was running hot. 40 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:41,479 I was very down. 41 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:42,319 Speaker 3: Uh. 42 00:02:42,439 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: People are looking for some more positivity today. How are 43 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,000 you doing, man. 44 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,479 Speaker 4: A completely unrelated note. I don't know what's going on, 45 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,080 but there's several helicopters and I can hear police giving 46 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,759 instructions for someone to come out right now, like with 47 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:58,759 their hands up. Uh shit, man, maybe it is. I 48 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,039 kind of blacked out last week. I kind of blacked 49 00:03:01,039 --> 00:03:04,240 out last night after that awful loss. So who knows, 50 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,479 who knows what I was capable of, but I you know, 51 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,639 it was tough. It was tough last night. It was 52 00:03:10,759 --> 00:03:13,960 especially tough this morning. I've kind of settled in a 53 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,599 little bit more now. I mean it's not it's not 54 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,639 over yet. No, I mean it's not over yet by 55 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,919 any means. And I think I think, like what was 56 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:30,560 so disheartening about this one is, in the two losses, 57 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,800 we saw the Clippers be right there, you know, the 58 00:03:33,879 --> 00:03:37,520 talent disparity, the like whatever was was what we you know, 59 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,479 was what we thought it was, which yeah, yeah, yeah, 60 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:44,439 which it just you know, coming into this series, we 61 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:46,120 knew it was gonna be evenly matched. I thought the 62 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:50,159 Clippers were a little bit better depth wise, obviously, but 63 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:54,360 watching this one, watching this one, it was just sort 64 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,319 of echoes of what we've seen of this team. In 65 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,039 the two and three era where it's like, okay, so 66 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,319 again you'd like forgotten whatever the identity is of this team, 67 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:07,639 of whatever it is that makes you successful, and you're 68 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,719 just kind of rolling over here. So it was. It 69 00:04:10,759 --> 00:04:12,800 was a disheartening one and I'm sure we'll get into it. 70 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,479 But James Harden refuses to speak to the media yet again. 71 00:04:15,759 --> 00:04:19,720 Also really really rubbed me the wrong way. Bug me. 72 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would like him to. I would love for 73 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,319 him to play well enough to speak to the media tomorrow. 74 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,040 Mikey Lap saying Clippers are big favorites tomorrow. The Clippers 75 00:04:31,079 --> 00:04:34,120 are like a seven and a half point favorite, which 76 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,360 it's that into a boost. I'm gonna be honest, credit 77 00:04:37,399 --> 00:04:39,240 to the Wall for that one. I think the Wall 78 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,839 is affecting some of these betting lines, which is pretty sick. 79 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,600 I like Joseph Ryward is attempting to join the stream, 80 00:04:47,759 --> 00:04:50,959 but there seems to be some Internet issues. Renzo the 81 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,399 Old Head saying Kawhi shot over twenty shots one time 82 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,839 this series. We need him to shoot thirty shots in 83 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,680 an elimination game. So yeah, I was struggling with this too. 84 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 4: I like, I was struggling with this because obviously, the 85 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,120 Clipper ceiling is so tied to you know, what Kawhi 86 00:05:06,199 --> 00:05:12,279 Leonard could do to guys and through I mean through 87 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,920 five games. Is he even a top three player in 88 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:21,879 this series? Is he somewhere closer to five? Like, you know, 89 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,160 it's I don't know about that. 90 00:05:25,519 --> 00:05:27,879 Speaker 1: May no, I don't know about that. It's just tough like. 91 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,240 But that's what makes it so frustrating is because he 92 00:05:30,319 --> 00:05:32,639 should be the second. 93 00:05:32,759 --> 00:05:36,879 Speaker 4: If he's not one or two, then that's really tough. 94 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 1: Joseph hopefully speeding down the highway. 95 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,199 Speaker 4: I didn't realize the stream was getting cool with Hill. 96 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, uh hey guys, Joseph here, first time, long 97 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,079 time Joseph on a mobile. I just wanted to call 98 00:05:55,199 --> 00:05:57,040 in real quick. How you guys doing. 99 00:05:58,319 --> 00:06:00,759 Speaker 4: I'm a little bit better, but not agree. 100 00:06:02,759 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: It's annoying because we were just talking about how Kawhi 101 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:12,879 needs to take more shots because that, Yeah. 102 00:06:10,519 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 2: I haven't decided if I want the team to blow 103 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:21,199 it up or that game five was the last gass 104 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,399 of a champion and the Clippers were winning in seven. 105 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,560 I'm I'm vacillating between those two points. 106 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 4: Okay, wow, oh wow, tell us more about the ladder please, 107 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,839 just I want to hear more about this. 108 00:06:33,439 --> 00:06:35,199 Speaker 1: I don't think we're blowing anything. 109 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 2: Up the ladder. I just I don't know, so I 110 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:48,000 have a lot of price. Yeah, like this was what 111 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:53,560 they had. I mean, Jokic looked really tired. I mean, 112 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,000 obviously he put up a triple double and like dominated 113 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:57,720 the game in a lot of other ways, but it 114 00:06:57,759 --> 00:07:03,240 really felt like offensively, he was working really hard. And 115 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,519 if I mean, it's a big if if Jamal Murray 116 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,319 doesn't shoot better than he's ever shot in his whole life, 117 00:07:09,759 --> 00:07:12,199 other than I guess when he played against the Jazz 118 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:16,600 and the Bubble and Russell Westbrook actually shoots better than 119 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,399 he's ever shot in his whole playoff life. I don't know, 120 00:07:19,439 --> 00:07:21,319 man like it just it really feels like the things 121 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:27,480 the Clippers need to do are fixable, and we should 122 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,600 we should have the better team in these games, and 123 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,959 like we should be winning. The series should already be over, 124 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:37,560 and it's not, and it's it's frustrating that it's not. 125 00:07:38,079 --> 00:07:39,519 But it really did kind of feel like they went 126 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,759 back home, they got this big pop from Jamal. I 127 00:07:43,759 --> 00:07:45,720 don't know, like I feel like the Clippers could get 128 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,480 a big pop tomorrow from their stars and then when 129 00:07:48,519 --> 00:07:49,800 a dogfight in Denver. 130 00:07:50,399 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: Do you think a question from Dive Dapper shout out Dive, 131 00:07:53,079 --> 00:07:55,240 I hope you're doing well. Do you think Murray and 132 00:07:55,319 --> 00:07:59,680 Jokic go off together tomorrow? Because we haven't. Everyone's saying like, oh, 133 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,120 Yo didn't even go off, Murray took his place. They 134 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,160 are able to go off at the same time, which 135 00:08:06,199 --> 00:08:09,720 is what is difficult. But the Clippers, if they are 136 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:14,000 really caring and worth their salt, will at least attempt 137 00:08:14,079 --> 00:08:16,480 to make it so they both don't go off. 138 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I was reading the script that 139 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,519 the NBA put out, you know that sets in to 140 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,439 the media about how the playoffs are gonna go, and 141 00:08:25,639 --> 00:08:29,199 I didn't. I didn't see a double a double pop, 142 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,240 you know, for Yo Kitchen Murray and in game six 143 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:33,440 at into it don't. 144 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, I don't know. 145 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:40,279 Speaker 3: Not. 146 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:42,919 Speaker 4: I don't think it's gonna happen at don't. 147 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 2: I don't. 148 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 4: I don't think like both of them are gonna simultaneously 149 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:49,200 have their best game of the series. In uh in 150 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:50,279 game six. 151 00:08:50,399 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 1: If one of them will have a good ass game, I'm. 152 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,159 Speaker 4: They're not facing elimination though, like it's it's just completely different, 153 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,159 Like the Clippers now have zero margins, and I think 154 00:09:01,159 --> 00:09:04,639 that we've seen them perform a lot better in those situations, 155 00:09:04,799 --> 00:09:07,279 which it's not great, like it's not a great position 156 00:09:07,399 --> 00:09:09,960 to be in, but I will say that they're like, 157 00:09:10,039 --> 00:09:13,080 it's two completely different drives. We're not gonna see the 158 00:09:13,159 --> 00:09:15,519 same like people are not going to be lost on 159 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,759 defense the same way. Like I like Joseph about things 160 00:09:18,799 --> 00:09:21,720 being fixable, because I had interpreted that as like this 161 00:09:21,799 --> 00:09:24,799 team has lost their way, that they've completely separated from 162 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,080 this identity that they tried to build all year. But 163 00:09:27,159 --> 00:09:29,759 maybe it was just like being tired. Maybe it was 164 00:09:29,879 --> 00:09:32,799 just a screw up, and really these things are pretty addressable. 165 00:09:32,879 --> 00:09:34,879 I'm gonna go ahead and choose to hop on the 166 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:36,480 optimistic bus with Joseph on that. 167 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: On that point, I mean, they are, but we're also 168 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,159 like I'm not denying that, but I think I think 169 00:09:43,159 --> 00:09:45,200 the the Nuggets want to get this series done. They 170 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,120 don't want to play a game Sevan at all. So 171 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,440 I think that they're going to be trying, obviously to 172 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,519 close the shit out like the Clipper should have been. 173 00:09:53,399 --> 00:09:58,240 And I know that the problems are fixable. But from 174 00:09:58,279 --> 00:10:02,480 the job. Last night we saw such a lack of 175 00:10:02,519 --> 00:10:08,919 effort from James Harden, specifically on defense. Yeah, bodied us, Like, yeah, 176 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:10,440 it was the clips. 177 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 4: Like watching the clips again today was dude, So. 178 00:10:14,279 --> 00:10:17,279 Speaker 1: Like that is fixable if Harden wants to fix. 179 00:10:17,039 --> 00:10:23,879 Speaker 2: It, Yeah, right, Like yeah, but I do. I okay, 180 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,559 So I'm with you on the effort in game five 181 00:10:28,279 --> 00:10:32,919 was pathetic. Like there's no other word to describe how 182 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,240 the Clippers showed up in Game five. It was fucking pathetic. 183 00:10:36,759 --> 00:10:42,240 And they have not only the team, Tylu has performed 184 00:10:42,279 --> 00:10:45,960 better when his back is actually against the wall. And 185 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,120 I just I feel like if we're if we're all 186 00:10:50,159 --> 00:10:52,960 going to be on the train of they're the better team, 187 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,360 they're their deeper team, they should win the series, then 188 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,720 we shouldn't be surprised if they win two games that 189 00:10:59,759 --> 00:11:04,320 they're like that they have to win right now, The 190 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:08,399 issue is that it's the Clippers. I think I think 191 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,039 that's the big issue for all of us here right 192 00:11:11,799 --> 00:11:15,840 is that it's the Clippers, and that means we can't 193 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:20,279 have nice things. So the the flip side of this 194 00:11:20,519 --> 00:11:23,440 is they they do all the right things for Game six. 195 00:11:23,879 --> 00:11:27,279 Everybody feels really optimistic going into game seven, and then 196 00:11:27,279 --> 00:11:29,600 they all collectively shit the bett in game seven and 197 00:11:29,639 --> 00:11:30,639 look like they don't care. 198 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: So don't talk about these things. This was supposed to 199 00:11:34,759 --> 00:11:37,919 be a more positive. 200 00:11:38,879 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 4: I'm glad that you bring up ty Lu and how 201 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,080 he can operate with us back against the wall, because 202 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,600 I'm curious you're or I'm curious your thoughts on this. 203 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,360 Did he overadjust after that game? Like after the Game 204 00:11:50,399 --> 00:11:52,440 four loss? Like we came out they were trying to 205 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,240 play a completely different type of offense, trying to play 206 00:11:55,279 --> 00:11:57,879 way faster than we've normally seen them play, which I 207 00:11:57,919 --> 00:12:00,840 would think, just in my head, is gonna benefit the 208 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,240 better offensive team being Denver. 209 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 3: Uh? 210 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 2: Like? 211 00:12:04,759 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 4: Was that an over adjustment? 212 00:12:05,879 --> 00:12:05,919 Speaker 3: Like? 213 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:07,399 Speaker 4: What the fuck was going on there? 214 00:12:07,919 --> 00:12:10,759 Speaker 1: And then I have another question about another over adjustment there. 215 00:12:10,919 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 2: We'll probably go ahead, please throw them both at me. 216 00:12:13,279 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: No, So this is this? The alex Web comment is 217 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,720 a very There's a lot of people clamoring for the 218 00:12:19,759 --> 00:12:22,799 starting lineup change, right because now you have to win 219 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,399 tomorrow night or an overachieving season ends in a very 220 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:32,120 underwhelming way, and people want Nico to be out there. 221 00:12:32,639 --> 00:12:36,759 I don't think Norm gets benched, so it would be done, 222 00:12:36,799 --> 00:12:39,600 and you would move everyone over. Where are you at? 223 00:12:39,639 --> 00:12:42,679 Are you do you think we see Nick Batoum in 224 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,279 the starting lineup for any either Norm or done. We 225 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:47,879 don't have We'll get into that in a second. 226 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,799 Speaker 2: I'd actually, I'd actually go even farther and I would 227 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:58,600 start Bogie and Nico over Norm and Wow, and I 228 00:12:58,639 --> 00:13:01,759 would play both of those guys thirty eight minutes in 229 00:13:01,799 --> 00:13:02,559 game six. 230 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: Both Wow. Man. I think we'd have to we'd have 231 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,000 to do too much defensive I get. 232 00:13:09,039 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 2: I mean, I I think in that starting lineup, I 233 00:13:12,519 --> 00:13:15,919 think I think he's got enough cover and he's played. 234 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,799 I mean, his problem is he's fouled too much, but 235 00:13:17,799 --> 00:13:22,879 he's playing physical defense. Hold on one second, guys, I'm 236 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,159 I got takes, but I also have to pick up 237 00:13:25,159 --> 00:13:25,559 my order. 238 00:13:25,639 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 1: So what did you get? Joseph's going to the drive 239 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:32,840 Adam was at the drive through the other day doing 240 00:13:32,879 --> 00:13:36,519 a pod. Joseph's at the drive through. Now, yeah, okay, 241 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,120 I'm with this. I don't I don't know if Bogey 242 00:13:39,159 --> 00:13:41,200 playing thirty eight minutes, I don't know about that. 243 00:13:41,759 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 2: Here's here's the deal. Norm. Norm can't fucking dribble. The 244 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:51,879 problem is Norm dribbling any direction other than straight is 245 00:13:51,919 --> 00:13:55,440 a problem, and straight is a fifty to fifty proposition 246 00:13:55,519 --> 00:14:00,519 at this point. So I want someone on the floor 247 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:02,919 because because Kawi's got to play forty four minutes, he's 248 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,759 not going to because they're doing something. But Qui's got 249 00:14:06,799 --> 00:14:08,840 to play forty four minutes. He just wants to get 250 00:14:08,879 --> 00:14:12,320 to the off season healthy, guys. He just wants to 251 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:13,639 get to the off season healthy. 252 00:14:14,039 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: He's eight minutes per game. Yokich is at forty one 253 00:14:17,279 --> 00:14:20,240 for those of you, and three minutes. It might not 254 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,320 sound like a lot, it's a lot. 255 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,679 Speaker 2: And in the ways in which games you know, one, 256 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,960 two and three were close, and even four for that matter, 257 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:35,320 those minutes matter like it's a huge discrepancy when you 258 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:39,159 when you get to this point. But I do just 259 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:43,480 think that, like right now, in this current moment, those 260 00:14:43,519 --> 00:14:46,240 are your five best guys. I know Don has played 261 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,720 good defense. I just the variance of the shooting. I 262 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,159 don't want to do it. And I think playing Bogie 263 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,720 and Nico together in that starting five gets you a 264 00:14:54,720 --> 00:15:03,840 little bit bigger. Joseph, Yes, thank you so much. California 265 00:15:03,919 --> 00:15:05,679 Chicken Cafe, Ladies and gentleman. 266 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:12,879 Speaker 1: Get off the stream, no Californy chick. 267 00:15:14,399 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 2: But how I feel about it is it's just that's 268 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,519 our best, most balanced five, and I know they don't 269 00:15:20,559 --> 00:15:22,519 have a lot of reps together. I don't think Ty 270 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,360 is actually going to change the starting lineup. He's he's 271 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,960 very much like I'm gonna ride the horses that got 272 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:30,120 me here kind of guy. 273 00:15:30,559 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: And I think. 274 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:33,639 Speaker 4: That he could. 275 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 2: I I agree, and I just I don't know. 276 00:15:40,559 --> 00:15:40,759 Speaker 1: Man. 277 00:15:40,879 --> 00:15:43,759 Speaker 2: I look, people are going to say Ruscott in his 278 00:15:43,759 --> 00:15:45,840 head and all this. Sorry, there's a there's a BMW 279 00:15:47,759 --> 00:15:51,679 turbo over here. It's very very cool. If you've got that, man, 280 00:15:52,679 --> 00:15:58,240 just rev your engine. It's really cool. Everyone thinks you're 281 00:15:58,279 --> 00:16:01,799 super cool. Everybody wants to hear it. It's awesome. You're 282 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:02,639 the coolest guy. 283 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: This is one of our more immersive streams. If you're listening, 284 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:12,840 you like this content, check out you podcast. This is. 285 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 2: You Got a Haul from Me from Gone and get it. 286 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:24,639 This is the quarter Chicken Dark anyway, So any I 287 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,679 just I think those are your five best guys, and 288 00:16:27,759 --> 00:16:29,840 I'd like to see those guys play a lot of minutes. 289 00:16:31,639 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 4: I like, I think that's interesting. I think maybe a 290 00:16:35,519 --> 00:16:38,480 complete like changing two out of the starting five is 291 00:16:38,519 --> 00:16:41,279 maybe more extreme than I'm willing to go. But I 292 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,159 do think making the rotator those rotations a little bit shorter, 293 00:16:44,279 --> 00:16:46,600 like I did like bringing Bogged in a little bit earlier. 294 00:16:46,919 --> 00:16:49,080 And another thing that sucks about that loss is like 295 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,480 Chris Dunn shooting was good enough last night that he 296 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:55,799 could actually stay on the floor. Yeah, which was such 297 00:16:55,799 --> 00:16:58,320 a bummer that that, like the effort just wasn't there otherwise, 298 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,960 because that we haven't had that luxury so far in 299 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,799 this series where he can actually provide enough offense to 300 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:05,960 stay on the floor to play this great defense that 301 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:06,920 he's played all season. 302 00:17:07,079 --> 00:17:09,559 Speaker 1: Right, all right, we got to bring Adam in. J 303 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,039 Bos wants to know if Joseph is driving a bus now, 304 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,559 Adam Osland, I used. 305 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 2: To drive buses. Fun fact about me. 306 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,039 Speaker 1: We're learning a lot in this stream. 307 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,319 Speaker 3: We could use a few more bus drivers on the Clippers. 308 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 2: Right now that we're. 309 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:30,279 Speaker 1: Talking starting lineup change, I wanted to bring up some 310 00:17:30,319 --> 00:17:33,599 stats you tweeted out earlier. You said the lineup data 311 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,599 of Nico next to Harden, Don, Kawhi and Zoo in 312 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,079 the series is only two minutes. Clippers are plus six. 313 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,519 Nico with Harden, Powell Kawai Zoo. Clippers are plus four 314 00:17:42,559 --> 00:17:47,839 in those six minutes. Do you do you think we 315 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,559 see the lineup change. Adam wants to change too, or 316 00:17:51,039 --> 00:17:54,799 Joseph wants to change two spots in the starting lineup 317 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,119 and he has some support. 318 00:17:56,759 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 3: In the chat DJ and but too. 319 00:18:01,279 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 2: No Bogie and Batoom killer bees on the swarm. 320 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 3: Bogie was good last game. But I don't know. My 321 00:18:12,319 --> 00:18:16,200 thing is, yeah, I don't want of normal Bogie has 322 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,039 to have it going. I would just go batoum and 323 00:18:19,559 --> 00:18:21,599 take Norman, put him on the bench and lean into 324 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:26,599 defense because they have to start faster and their defense 325 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:28,599 has been lacking to start at ball games. I don't 326 00:18:28,599 --> 00:18:29,200 know where it is. 327 00:18:30,599 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: Over the first five minutes of the first five games 328 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,359 of this series, the Nuggets have outscored the Clippers seventy 329 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:37,279 six to fifty three. 330 00:18:38,279 --> 00:18:38,799 Speaker 2: Is that bad? 331 00:18:39,279 --> 00:18:44,799 Speaker 1: Justin Russo? Uh? That is bad. Joseph is quite literally 332 00:18:44,799 --> 00:18:49,440 in the driver's seat right now, Scott. Do we think 333 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,119 that happens? Adam? Is this the game where I mean 334 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,519 if Steward dies, right, this is the game where you 335 00:18:54,559 --> 00:18:55,920 throw it at the wall, right. 336 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,319 Speaker 3: I think there's a good chance it happens He was 337 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:04,680 asked postgame about changes and said something to the effect of, 338 00:19:05,799 --> 00:19:11,119 I don't know what changes we need to make. I 339 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,440 don't know if you would actually say that he was 340 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,759 going to start with tomb after the end of game five. 341 00:19:16,039 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: I don't think he's said that. A day before for Adam. 342 00:19:19,079 --> 00:19:21,839 Speaker 3: He brought Patuman first off the bench, and I thought 343 00:19:21,839 --> 00:19:24,000 he would, And to me, that just says he's getting 344 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:25,680 a little bit closer to starting. 345 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,599 Speaker 2: If if he starts, though, do you think at halftime 346 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,200 he asks if Marcus Morris can start the second half 347 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:37,880 because he doesn't like being a starter, or is that 348 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:41,079 is that we got? 349 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: Do you remember that we don't need right now? Joseph. 350 00:19:49,559 --> 00:19:52,519 Speaker 2: That still pisses me off. I'm still mad about it. 351 00:19:52,559 --> 00:19:54,359 I don't know if you could tell, but I'm still 352 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:55,039 mad about that. 353 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:58,839 Speaker 1: I don't know. Adam, where are you at? Do you 354 00:19:58,839 --> 00:20:00,960 feel better or worse than yes yesterday? Because we've kind 355 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:07,039 of gotten it, We've gotten everybody's uh feelings out. Are 356 00:20:07,079 --> 00:20:08,160 you feeling better or worse? 357 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,599 Speaker 3: I feel better. I feel like they're gonna win Game six. 358 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,920 I do the way they lost that game yesterday. To me, 359 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,200 yesterday isn't the game you were gonna have a good 360 00:20:19,279 --> 00:20:22,039 chance to win it. It's game one, I'm thinking about, 361 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,640 it's game four. I'm thinking about they let get away 362 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,480 yesterday's games like Okay, themal Murray shoots like that, they 363 00:20:27,519 --> 00:20:30,160 all shoot like that outside the paint. You're probably losing 364 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,559 that game. It's the other two missed opportunities. I feel 365 00:20:33,559 --> 00:20:36,319 like that those are the things that are going to 366 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:37,759 eat at me if they lose this series. 367 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good call. Is that last night won't 368 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:46,599 be as difficult as the horrors of the final quite 369 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:53,920 literal last seconds of game for Yeah, I'm how do 370 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,640 you feel about Harden on Jokich? That was an adjustment, 371 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,880 that was a new wrinkle. It seemed like to me 372 00:20:59,079 --> 00:21:01,000 it's tired them out for the offensive side of the ball. 373 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 3: How many of those were intentional and how many of 374 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,599 those were just switched off? Switching? I have to watch 375 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,319 the game again. I don't think I can do that. 376 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 1: Do you have to do? 377 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,599 Speaker 4: You have to put him on yok because he's so 378 00:21:16,799 --> 00:21:23,119 worthless off the ball as a defender. Maybe is gonna 379 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:24,599 have the ball in his hands, he might as well 380 00:21:24,599 --> 00:21:27,200 put him there because otherwise he's completely gone. 381 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:34,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, he was very lacks of days coal with some 382 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,319 of those baseline cuts that happened against James Harden yesterday. 383 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:38,599 That was disappointing. 384 00:21:40,519 --> 00:21:43,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope, I hope he can actually give some 385 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:50,920 postgame media. So this is a thought from Comesso Harden 386 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:56,400 on Yoker open infinite space for Murray. But I called 387 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,000 him yokre Yeah, I called him yokre put a little soft. 388 00:22:00,039 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 2: So we call them in the streets okay, and these 389 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:03,880 Clipper streets, we call them the Yoker. 390 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,519 Speaker 1: Joseph. Joseph kind of does look like an undercover cop 391 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,759 right now. 392 00:22:14,759 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 3: Uh, because I tried to talk to Joseph about the 393 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,119 game last night and he wouldn't even talk to me. 394 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,279 Speaker 2: I did tell everyone it was okay. Look in my defense, 395 00:22:24,759 --> 00:22:29,920 I was miserable, but also what are you now? It 396 00:22:30,039 --> 00:22:34,519 was my last just generally unhappy. I have clinical depression, guys, 397 00:22:34,519 --> 00:22:38,759 So I just I was. It was my last ditch 398 00:22:38,799 --> 00:22:42,039 effort at like a reverse Jinks. I told everybody that 399 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,400 I like wasn't going to speak about them and it 400 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,839 was all going to be bad. And then they went 401 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,440 on a run, and then you know, I started thinking like, 402 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,599 oh shit, it's gonna work. And then it didn't work, 403 00:22:52,759 --> 00:22:54,039 so I. 404 00:22:54,079 --> 00:22:56,839 Speaker 3: Literally tried to coax him into it by just texting 405 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:02,480 him Hell yeah, I that would bring out the best 406 00:23:02,559 --> 00:23:08,880 version of just Brian Ward I was looking for. No, no, man, No, we. 407 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,079 Speaker 1: Got a pretty good version of Carl Tart last night, 408 00:23:11,079 --> 00:23:14,559 who was saying very mean and kind of unhinged things 409 00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:20,920 about Nikola Jokic. Good time. Yeah, and I'm you know me, 410 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,720 I'm a host. I'll let you say whatever you want 411 00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:25,240 on this podcast. For the most part, when it comes 412 00:23:25,279 --> 00:23:30,319 to basketball, you can do whatever you want. Looking at 413 00:23:30,319 --> 00:23:36,880 some lineup data, Harden Kawhi, Norm Christun and Zoo minus 414 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:41,839 seventeen this series so far. 415 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:47,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, Denver's like a plus eleven with their starters for 416 00:23:47,759 --> 00:23:50,519 one hundred possessions. The Clippers are about a minus eleven 417 00:23:50,599 --> 00:23:54,359 with their starters in this series. So there is reason 418 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,319 to believe. You've got in five games of this the 419 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:02,000 starting lineup hasn't been working. They're losing today. Verse, I 420 00:24:02,039 --> 00:24:04,400 gotta think I had to lean one way. He's making 421 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:04,799 the move. 422 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 2: T needs five more games of data, guys, just five 423 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,400 more games of this and he'll be able. 424 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: To make a change. Will How are you gonna feel 425 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,839 when Nick Patoom is announced as possibly the starter. Possibly 426 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,559 they're gonna say they're gonna soft launch it. Yeah, they're 427 00:24:23,559 --> 00:24:25,039 gonna say possible starters. 428 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,799 Speaker 4: When they say that the starters thing, tomorrow it'll say 429 00:24:27,799 --> 00:24:28,200 it started. 430 00:24:28,279 --> 00:24:31,279 Speaker 1: Maybe, yeah, maybe he'll be it'll be a photo of 431 00:24:31,279 --> 00:24:33,519 four guys, and then Nick Patum holding a coffee in 432 00:24:33,519 --> 00:24:36,039 the corner. Is that he's soft watching this? 433 00:24:37,559 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 3: Tye? 434 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,279 Speaker 2: Tye absolutely is hitting reporters, But hey, what's the starting lineup? 435 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: I forgot? 436 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, I know I'm gonna feel great about it, and 437 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,960 I think, like, I think it can work both ways. 438 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,880 Like Norm has had an up and down series, not 439 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,200 very good, but like maybe maybe going back to the 440 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,200 benches and move in a positive direction for him. I 441 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,000 don't know how those and it's kind of work out 442 00:25:02,599 --> 00:25:07,160 with Bogie and him and how they work around that. 443 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,799 But yeah, I think I like the nicktomb adjustment. Do 444 00:25:09,839 --> 00:25:12,880 we have a status update on DJJ? I've not seen anything. 445 00:25:13,039 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 2: Clean wasn't on the entry report. 446 00:25:17,599 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: They weren't holding them back. There's no way he wasn't 447 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,160 gonna play. Then we have seven guys. 448 00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:25,559 Speaker 3: He gets banged up every game in return, so it 449 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,640 just so happens. This time it was so late in 450 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,319 the game he didn't get a chance to come back. 451 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, that's a good call. That's I like that call. 452 00:25:34,599 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 4: Nice to have a young guys. 453 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 3: You know, I'd like to say, as much as we're 454 00:25:41,759 --> 00:25:44,480 talking about the starting lineup and everybody is talking themselves 455 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,400 into this is going to fix things, it's really not 456 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,480 unless Kawhi and James Harden show up and play much correct. 457 00:25:52,279 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 1: Could not agree more. 458 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 2: Or if the team just decides to give a shit. 459 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,720 It'd be nice if they did that. 460 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: Too, Joseph that says give a shit, yes or no, 461 00:26:06,319 --> 00:26:08,200 this is what we're going over today, guys. 462 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,599 Speaker 2: How many fucks do you have to give? But no, 463 00:26:13,759 --> 00:26:18,359 I mean, I'm sorry, guys. They have acted as though 464 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,400 they're like entitled to this series win because they're the 465 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:27,720 better team, and it's really fucking annoying. It's really annoying. 466 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,839 I'm sorry. I know it was funny because we blew 467 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,240 them out in game three, but Tylu walking the streets 468 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:39,119 of Beverly Hills telling strangers we're good is infuriating. With 469 00:26:39,319 --> 00:26:43,480 the level of effort that they gave. He still said, 470 00:26:44,319 --> 00:26:47,599 he still said we're good. He's still let the picture happen. Yeah, 471 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,680 post that ship. It's fine. Everyone can know that you 472 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:54,240 saw me five hours before tip just shopping, you know 473 00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:57,519 what I mean? Like, we we look bad as a 474 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,599 unit right now, and I'm upset. 475 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 1: About coach I would have. I don't know if I 476 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,559 agree with the first part of that, but I do 477 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,000 agree with as a unit the Clippers look a little 478 00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:16,200 bad because the Kawhi Harden thing is incredibly frustrating. This 479 00:27:16,279 --> 00:27:19,519 is the healthy postseason, right right, Adam, You and I 480 00:27:19,519 --> 00:27:21,200 didn't get a chance to talk about the test day like, 481 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,200 this is the healthy postseason, right Like, this is what 482 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,519 we've all been wanting. I totally agree that it's not 483 00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:28,519 going anywhere if the two guys who we've needed to 484 00:27:28,519 --> 00:27:31,240 be healthy the whole time for this run aren't going 485 00:27:31,319 --> 00:27:32,000 to be aggressive. 486 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 487 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,319 Speaker 3: No, that was a good point. I heard you mentioned 488 00:27:35,319 --> 00:27:38,880 that last night. I don't I kind of wanted to 489 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,480 let's just see how things work out, and then if 490 00:27:41,519 --> 00:27:43,279 I have to be that negative and be like this 491 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,720 was the healthy postseason where we were supposed to make 492 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,279 the run, I would get there eventually. You beat me 493 00:27:48,319 --> 00:27:52,279 to a chuck. But You're not wrong. This is extremely 494 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,359 frustrating right now because I do think for the better team. 495 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,640 They are also going up against a team with championship 496 00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:03,960 level and tangibles right now, and if you make any 497 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,799 mistakes and if you leave the door open a crack, 498 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,480 they're gonna kick it in and beat you. And that's 499 00:28:09,519 --> 00:28:10,319 what's been happening. 500 00:28:14,519 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 1: They also the Clippers left the door open at one 501 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,960 point because like the ones that they went away like 502 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,920 that they didn't chase I guess or something, you know 503 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,200 what I mean, the ones that they just let go. 504 00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:29,319 And I'm counting game four in that too. A lot 505 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,960 of people are talking about the reffing, but. 506 00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:34,079 Speaker 2: It's been lopsided. 507 00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:39,319 Speaker 1: But it's also like will you were saying yesterday forget 508 00:28:39,319 --> 00:28:41,759 about that shit if you're on the Clipper, Yeah, don't 509 00:28:41,799 --> 00:28:42,240 look you know. 510 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,319 Speaker 4: I mean like again, and I feel like we've talked 511 00:28:44,359 --> 00:28:46,839 about this before with this team too, Like you're not 512 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,799 going to get the call, like just get to the rim. 513 00:28:50,119 --> 00:28:51,759 I Like, I don't know what to tell you, Like 514 00:28:51,799 --> 00:28:54,559 I it sucks. It sucks that the game is officiated 515 00:28:54,599 --> 00:28:58,160 one way for eighty two games and then like officiated 516 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,279 differently for the following how for many you last, But 517 00:29:01,359 --> 00:29:03,640 that's just the nature. That's that's just the nature of it, 518 00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:07,839 so you know you can't merchant. Just just get to 519 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:08,880 the rim. 520 00:29:09,119 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 3: It would be a better argument to complain about the 521 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,480 rests if they didn't miss ten free throws yesterday while 522 00:29:15,599 --> 00:29:18,359 taking more free throws than dead bird. 523 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: They missed ten, Jos, if you have to get out 524 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,039 of here, I don't want that chicken to be cold, 525 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:26,559 I do. 526 00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 2: I know, I know, I gotta get it upstairs. But 527 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,519 bye everyone, Thanks for having me. 528 00:29:32,519 --> 00:29:32,839 Speaker 4: Thanks you. 529 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 2: Just give a ship. That's all they got it. If 530 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,519 they're watching, if you're watching, give a ship. That's all 531 00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:46,920 you have to do. Yeah, I know, I know they 532 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:52,640 all sit dreams. I know they do it. Five. You 533 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,000 have this practice stuff. 534 00:29:54,640 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, thank you? Yeah, by j Yeah. The 535 00:30:04,079 --> 00:30:06,279 ref thing, I mean, the ref thing's annoying. But there's 536 00:30:06,359 --> 00:30:09,359 other issue that's not We're not losing every single game 537 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:10,759 on a last second bad call. 538 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,599 Speaker 3: I think they've lost any game because of that. 539 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're losing it in the first quarter because we're 540 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,680 losing the first five minutes every single time we play. 541 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 2: Is it weird? 542 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 4: Just the miss call on Harden Game four? Go to 543 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:29,400 turn things? 544 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,079 Speaker 3: If they called the foul with him on Aaron Gordon 545 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:38,680 with them put back because he did foul Aaron Gordon 546 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,079 by the way, guys, and they just turned a blind eye. 547 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 4: It wasn't what I was saying. 548 00:30:45,559 --> 00:30:48,799 Speaker 1: I actually don't remember those eight seconds of my life. 549 00:30:49,079 --> 00:30:56,079 I've blocked those eight seconds out. What were you gonna say, Adam? 550 00:30:56,119 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 3: Why have they reverted back to the bad habit now 551 00:30:59,359 --> 00:31:00,839 of getting off to slow stars? 552 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: Do you think. 553 00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 4: Why did they try to play so fast yesterday? I'm 554 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,799 still like when Charles and I were watching that game, 555 00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:11,279 I was losing my mind, like, well, why, like why 556 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,920 why such a stark change in the style of play. 557 00:31:16,079 --> 00:31:18,559 I don't know in a tied series is the thing? Like, 558 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,119 it wasn't even they weren't at a deficit then, so like, 559 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,440 why make the hyper over adjustment to play a completely 560 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:25,680 different style of offense? 561 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 3: The Street Fighter two Turbo just hits harder, man, I'm guessing. 562 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,559 Speaker 4: Because was that you playing faster give them more possessions. 563 00:31:37,599 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 5: Inherently, I think they were trying to beat them with 564 00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:48,759 execution before they could double and blitz as much and 565 00:31:48,839 --> 00:31:50,039 get to their stuff faster. 566 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,759 Speaker 3: My guess is that I didn't see what the pace 567 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,000 ended up being compared to the rest of the games. 568 00:31:55,079 --> 00:32:00,759 But they did end up Definitely, if I felt plunky, 569 00:32:01,119 --> 00:32:06,319 I didn't like the shot selection early on, and Denver 570 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,279 was really hot and they were beating them. Honestly, if 571 00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:12,759 their defense just showed up better to start that game, 572 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,400 even with that level of offense, I would have felt 573 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,519 better about it. Just don't get beat on easy backdoor 574 00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:19,960 cuss to start every game. 575 00:32:20,039 --> 00:32:23,839 Speaker 1: Like we could see, it's the easy buckets that you 576 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,480 can't give to a team that is unhealthier than you are, 577 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,519 not as deep as you are. And some of it, 578 00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:35,119 obviously was last night, specifically Russell Westbrook having an absurd 579 00:32:35,119 --> 00:32:35,680 shooting night. 580 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 3: That second quarter, guys, is ridiculous. The Clippers went fourteen 581 00:32:41,799 --> 00:32:45,599 of nineteen and only went plus four in the second quarter. 582 00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:48,680 It went five to seven from three. That's Russ and 583 00:32:48,759 --> 00:32:52,519 Jamal Murray. That was brutal, real quick. 584 00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:54,759 Speaker 1: Taking a quick audio break just because we're going to 585 00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:55,319 put some ads in. 586 00:32:55,359 --> 00:32:55,559 Speaker 3: Hear me. 587 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: Put this up on the podcast later if you want 588 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,359 to watch this because you're only listening to a lout 589 00:32:59,359 --> 00:33:01,559 and you missed it. Us out at YouTube dot com, 590 00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:07,119 slush at Clipper's podcast, and then we're back. Yeah, the 591 00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:10,359 defensive thing, it's annoying and maybe putting between them in 592 00:33:10,359 --> 00:33:14,640 the starting lineup tomorrow night lights the fire under their ass. 593 00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:19,559 Speaker 3: What do you think happens as a norm that or 594 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:21,119 is he gonna be all right? 595 00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 4: I think it could be good for him. I think 596 00:33:24,759 --> 00:33:26,559 it could be good for him. I think, you know, 597 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,960 he understands the grind. I feel like this could be 598 00:33:29,079 --> 00:33:33,440 another motivation, although you don't really want him reaching with 599 00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:35,559 the way that he's been playing so far this series, 600 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,079 so I could see it going either way. But the 601 00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:39,839 guy's are pro and I think he would get it 602 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,839 in a you know, it's an elimination game, and like truly, 603 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,119 anything that you think could give you a minor advantage, 604 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:51,519 I feel fairly confident. Yeah, And I feel fairly confident 605 00:33:51,519 --> 00:33:53,720 that this team would be on board from that from 606 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,200 what we've you know, from what we've heard throughout this season. 607 00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 3: Well, the thing is, when we talked about early your 608 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:06,880 the starting lineup net rating, the offensive net rating isn't great, 609 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,880 but the defensive net rating with the starters, it's like 610 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,840 one twenty two, right, So that's what's really killing them. 611 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:18,599 It is about the defensive deficiencies right now, So can 612 00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:23,159 you sell them on that, please? It's it is a 613 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,400 must win game. Like you said, you can't even worry 614 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,440 about feelings at this point. You find a way to 615 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,840 win one game, do whatever it takes. 616 00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: Do you think it's the double change. I think it's 617 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,960 just one change, you guys, feels crazy. 618 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 3: Bogi's had one. Really you had a good gaming game five. 619 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,920 But I don't know if that's enough to put them 620 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,719 into the starting lineup after one game. I mean, he look, 621 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,199 Patoombs won for his last eight from three and but 622 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,840 we're all asking for the same thing. We all want 623 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,440 them in there. We just want to go with the 624 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,039 guys that give you the best chance. If you're gonna 625 00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:00,320 ride and die with guys, I won't persue out there. 626 00:35:04,039 --> 00:35:06,800 Speaker 1: He's a tone center, so has Chris Him and Chris 627 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:11,480 Dune together. That is an incredibly difficult if Kawhi, because 628 00:35:11,519 --> 00:35:16,400 then we can, maybe if Harden has another defensive performance 629 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,679 like he had last night, which was atrocious, having Batuma 630 00:35:20,679 --> 00:35:24,159 out there mitigate some of that instead of norm Right, 631 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,880 there's just less. There's just better defenders around James Harden 632 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,559 so he can do things like take more than two threes. 633 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:37,519 Speaker 3: I need Latum because Aaron Gordon has specifically been killing 634 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,840 this team in this series. Aaron Gordon has been like 635 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,360 the third best player in this series, maybe second. I 636 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:46,199 don't know he's been. 637 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 4: So I was gonna say when we started this stream, 638 00:35:48,519 --> 00:35:51,800 I was like, is Kawhi, Like, is he the third best? 639 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:52,639 Has he been so far? 640 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 3: Like maybe the. 641 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 4: Third best player in this series? 642 00:35:56,679 --> 00:36:02,599 Speaker 3: Mm hmm, all right, it's hard because there's more responsibility 643 00:36:02,639 --> 00:36:03,239 on him. 644 00:36:03,679 --> 00:36:05,760 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's. 645 00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 3: I mean it's three two, they are down. Aaron Gordon's 646 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:12,079 team is up. 647 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 4: I think as a game winner. Why does not? 648 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 1: That's what That's what we're going by. 649 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 3: Jump over. 650 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:33,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, So, I mean we need because tomorrow. Dime was 651 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,079 in here asking if we think that Murray and Jokic 652 00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:41,480 will go off tomorrow, both of them together. I think 653 00:36:41,519 --> 00:36:44,159 the likelihood of that is low. One of them will 654 00:36:44,159 --> 00:36:46,719 go off. I don't think k is gonna shoot three 655 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:53,440 for eleven again or whatever it was, So I'm assuming 656 00:36:53,519 --> 00:36:56,079 he's going to have because this is this isn't an 657 00:36:56,079 --> 00:36:58,800 elimination game for them, obviously, but there is no doubt 658 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,079 in my mind they're going to be playing to rip 659 00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:04,639 our heads off tomorrow, as they should, as the Clipper 660 00:37:04,639 --> 00:37:07,119 should have in a couple of these other games, like 661 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,360 especially no go Ahead. 662 00:37:11,679 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 3: So last year in Game six in the second round, 663 00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:17,760 after taking a three to two series lead, they went 664 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,800 to Minnesota and lost by forty five. So they kept 665 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,320 getting questions from the media last night about is it 666 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,400 going to be different this time Denver because they went 667 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,559 on to lose that series, So they're well aware of 668 00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:32,760 being in this position and letting go of the rope 669 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,079 for a game and losing this series that way. 670 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,280 Speaker 1: They mentioned, Yeah, do you think should we stop doubling 671 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,000 Yokic as Mike is suggesting. 672 00:37:44,599 --> 00:37:47,119 Speaker 3: I don't know about stop you want him to be 673 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,840 a little bit off ballast, You could do it less. 674 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,639 Speaker 1: The timing is huge. I thought Bogie weirdly enough timed 675 00:37:57,079 --> 00:38:02,760 a double well yesterday. But if Jamal Murray's also doing 676 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,320 what he can do and what he did yesterday, and 677 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:12,039 you're doubling Jokics, you're putting yourself in a tough spot. Uh. 678 00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:15,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, with this, many guys started to heat up for Denver. 679 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,039 You know, Christian Brown. The last couple of games has 680 00:38:18,079 --> 00:38:21,079 been better. Obviously, Aaron Gordon just had twenty three. Michael 681 00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:23,400 Porter Junior I think he only had fourteen, but he 682 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:29,440 had some really critical shots. It feels like everybody else 683 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,440 has caught a rhythm now and you have to be 684 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,519 concerned about that and staying home. On the others, Yeah. 685 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,280 Speaker 1: I mean, Jokic is the only guy who didn't shoot 686 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:43,760 at least fifty percent last night for the Nuggets and 687 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,159 of people who took more than two shots, because Peyton 688 00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:48,480 Watson went won for two. Of the people who took 689 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,440 more than two shots, Yeah, Michael Porter Junior was the 690 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,760 worst at fifty other than jok he took ten. 691 00:38:56,199 --> 00:39:02,199 Speaker 3: Damn. I'd like them to feed Viza Zoo bots more. 692 00:39:02,199 --> 00:39:07,760 On the other end, what was with Sue's rebounds yesterday? 693 00:39:08,119 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 4: That if they want to speed up the offense, I 694 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,400 think getting I think getting to Zoo early and quickly 695 00:39:13,639 --> 00:39:16,000 is like their best bet if they want to like 696 00:39:16,039 --> 00:39:19,360 punch early on that end of the floor. You know, 697 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,719 I don't know why. Sometimes it's like three four possessions 698 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,599 before Zoo was getting his first touch. 699 00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:27,519 Speaker 1: And if Harden's tired, right, doesn't that make his job 700 00:39:27,519 --> 00:39:30,840 a little easier. Yeah? 701 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,159 Speaker 3: And maybe just if he and Zuke can have that 702 00:39:34,159 --> 00:39:36,880 connection and they've been throwing this zone out there a lot, 703 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,599 which he does stifle the pick and roll. But if 704 00:39:40,599 --> 00:39:42,639 he and Zuke could have a connection, maybe that would 705 00:39:42,639 --> 00:39:45,519 make Harden be a little bit more confident out there 706 00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:49,800 if he's not for some reason with his offense. Uh, 707 00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:53,079 just getting back in that pick and roll rhythm with 708 00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:56,239 the Viza Zobos could be good. Get back to basics. 709 00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,280 Speaker 4: What's going on with SU's rebounding last night? 710 00:39:59,679 --> 00:40:01,840 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Man, What the hell was that? 711 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:02,519 That was weird? 712 00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 3: I feel like it's a box score thing and I'd 713 00:40:06,559 --> 00:40:08,360 have to wash it again to actually see if he 714 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:09,239 was that bad. 715 00:40:09,119 --> 00:40:11,039 Speaker 2: Or if he was on the perimeter so much more 716 00:40:11,119 --> 00:40:13,239 because you mentioned hard and switching. 717 00:40:13,199 --> 00:40:16,519 Speaker 3: And Abasa Zoo box being on smaller guys. There was 718 00:40:16,519 --> 00:40:18,360 the one rebound of the second half, end of the 719 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,199 third quarter where he just tried to tip it and 720 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:25,280 it went to Russ three and he could have grabbed 721 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,079 it with both hands. That was just yeah, Yeah. 722 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 1: They're almost like they're playing tight. Like after the blowout win, 723 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,760 which we kind of talked about was like a throwaway game. 724 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,400 Any playoff game where you're the underdog in the four 725 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,480 or five matchup and you win by thirty, I almost 726 00:40:44,519 --> 00:40:47,239 it's a throwaway game, Like I don't mean that disrespectfully. 727 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,400 They obviously had to kick their ass to win by thirty, 728 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,639 but you don't learn anything from that game. I don't 729 00:40:51,679 --> 00:40:58,960 think everyone got hot. We shot forty whatever percent from three, Like, 730 00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:05,639 it just feels like they're playing tight, Like, yeah, are 731 00:41:05,639 --> 00:41:07,920 there overthink I don't know if Harden's overthinking. I guess 732 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:12,280 I shouldn't say that on defense, but it's just and 733 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:16,800 we've seen this from Harden before in other years, like 734 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,119 I just want hit. Yeah, we need like you, like 735 00:41:22,159 --> 00:41:24,320 you said earlier, Adam, we need Kawhi and Harden to 736 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,320 be the best guys. We can't have anyone else leading 737 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,559 the half at scoring other than Harden and Kawhi. 738 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,840 Speaker 3: And you really can't afford to have three players for 739 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:39,519 the Denver Nuggets outscore Harden and Kawhi like we saw yesterday. 740 00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:43,800 That's insane. Russ outscoring Hardened Kawhi is nuts. 741 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,320 Speaker 1: Do we just gotta hope they lock in? Like the 742 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,199 only big adjustments we can really see, I think as 743 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,400 a fan base and as a pod is changing the 744 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,119 starting lineup and leaning into the defense. 745 00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,559 Speaker 4: Is do we worry too about Hardened being too far 746 00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:02,320 and gone like he's been in this situation multiple times. 747 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,679 It seems like he gets in his head, he's refusing 748 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,599 to talk to the media, he's refusing to acknowledge, seemingly 749 00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:10,119 that there's a problem. It doesn't give me a lot 750 00:42:10,119 --> 00:42:12,039 of hope that he that he's going to be able 751 00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:14,039 to turn it around. Like if you can't even say 752 00:42:14,159 --> 00:42:16,920 you know, like clearly something's wrong, I don't know how 753 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,800 you can begin to sort of work on it or 754 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:19,719 fix it. 755 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,000 Speaker 3: Say you have to admit you have a problem. 756 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:25,880 Speaker 4: Isn't that step one? 757 00:42:26,559 --> 00:42:30,119 Speaker 1: Isn't that step one? Doctor the media? I think is 758 00:42:30,159 --> 00:42:37,840 step one? Yeah, it doesn't feel good. I've tried not 759 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:42,280 to think about that would be my counterpoint, because. 760 00:42:42,039 --> 00:42:44,480 Speaker 4: He's had a good time, you know, Like I liked 761 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,360 a lot of the messages and stuff from Hard and 762 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,199 he's definitely changed my opinion of him. Like I was 763 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,400 already high on him, but even higher from this season 764 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,800 in the way that he helped his team and change 765 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,639 role and he is one of the guys who got 766 00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,840 us here. But this kind of happens in late series 767 00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,159 like again and again and again, and it's at some 768 00:43:02,199 --> 00:43:06,400 point it's like like every time it's gonna happen every time. 769 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:15,440 Speaker 3: Just when the series gets really close. Oh no, Now, 770 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,320 I like he has a long track record of this. 771 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:23,599 He also has had amazing games in big moments. It's 772 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,840 just it's mixed. It's a mixed bag. I think that's that. 773 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,119 Maybe that's being kind, but I think it's also being 774 00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:33,159 accurate to some degree. He's had some really big games 775 00:43:33,519 --> 00:43:36,840 in the playoffs. Go look at his playoff career averages 776 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,639 during his prime ten years. He's like getting twenty eight 777 00:43:39,639 --> 00:43:42,519 points per game. And the efficiency is there a lot 778 00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:46,639 of time too. So does he need to see Kawhi 779 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:54,639 be Superman to kind of make him more comfortable and 780 00:43:54,679 --> 00:43:58,679 take some of the pressure off. Is Kawhi your max 781 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,679 player need to go out there and say I'm the 782 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,800 number one option, give me the ball, everybody else falling line? 783 00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:06,079 Speaker 1: Well, actually he's not a max player. 784 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,239 Speaker 3: He didn't get he's making fifty million. 785 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:17,840 Speaker 1: I know. I just asked, maybe he does, Like I 786 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,480 would love that, because that would I mean, is playing 787 00:44:20,519 --> 00:44:22,719 well out of the duo, right, Like, if one of 788 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,960 them plays well at this point, I'll take that. And 789 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:30,039 by play well, I mean that attack mode that Tyler 790 00:44:30,199 --> 00:44:33,960 talked about after game one the Kawai got into game. 791 00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:38,280 Speaker 3: This is when they were down two games to none 792 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,360 going back to Dallas in twenty twenty one, and they 793 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,599 were down nineteen in the first quarter and it looked 794 00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:48,880 like everything was over. Kawhi said, you know, I'm the terminator. 795 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,480 Come with me if you want to live, or come 796 00:44:50,519 --> 00:44:51,960 with me if you want to win, and he put 797 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,159 him on his back, and then everybody else came along 798 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,719 and got in rhythm too. But it started with Kawhi. 799 00:44:59,039 --> 00:45:00,960 Speaker 1: That's a good call. And a lot of the time 800 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,199 in Kawi's tenure, we've accused the team of kind of 801 00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:04,519 being like, well, I guess we'll just get out of 802 00:45:04,559 --> 00:45:07,960 Kawai's way and let him do his thing. If you 803 00:45:08,119 --> 00:45:10,039 like that or not, maybe tomorrow is the night for 804 00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:10,639 that to happen. 805 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,840 Speaker 4: Well. And the thing I feel like we've said throughout 806 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,800 his tenure with the Clippers right is like he's not 807 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,639 known for being a vocal leader. He sets like you know, 808 00:45:18,039 --> 00:45:21,880 he's a leader by example. Come out and set the 809 00:45:22,199 --> 00:45:24,400 fucking example. Man, I think you got to go out 810 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,239 and set the example. Do we have a setting for 811 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,199 an example for you to possibly set? 812 00:45:34,519 --> 00:45:36,159 Speaker 1: I certainly hope so. I know the wall is going 813 00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,079 to be there. The wall is going to be fired 814 00:45:38,159 --> 00:45:40,679 up the Clippers. Also, Adam, I know you're not a 815 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,199 betting person. The Clippers have a or they're like eight 816 00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:48,559 point favorites tomorrow, which what Yeah, it's like seven and 817 00:45:48,559 --> 00:45:55,239 a half, which feels a little crazy to me, But 818 00:45:55,840 --> 00:46:00,400 that many possessions in a playoff game. It's an interesting line. 819 00:46:00,519 --> 00:46:03,880 I guess that's all I'm gonna says. 820 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,360 Speaker 3: People are expecting them to bounce back. They're gonna lose 821 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:08,840 three in a row. They're not gonna lose a get 822 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,000 it into a dome. They're gonna extend the series, and 823 00:46:12,039 --> 00:46:13,519 maybe they'll actually get some calls. 824 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, the calls would be nice. The thing I'm thinking 825 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,360 about the starting lineup change and the thing because the 826 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:25,360 whistle has been annoying. We haven't had an incredibly annoying 827 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:29,280 whistle undone or batoom yet, and I guess that would 828 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,760 worry me if the lineup change happens. And I know 829 00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,800 you can't coach based on this being a one concern, Right, 830 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,920 the lineup change happens, Nico gets two early fouls, Done 831 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,920 gets two early fouls or something like that. Rotations are 832 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,199 walky as hell at that point, as waalkee as they 833 00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:48,039 can be with an a guy rotation. And we've seen 834 00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:50,480 what happens to this Clippers team in this postseason when 835 00:46:50,559 --> 00:46:53,159 rotations get walky, right, like with that long zoo shift 836 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,119 in Game four? Was that when there was just like 837 00:46:57,159 --> 00:47:01,360 no stoppages, like it threw everything off? Oh? I think 838 00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:05,199 I was nervous in general. Man, I'm like, we know 839 00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,519 what they can do, but it feels like they have 840 00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:09,119 to be reminded of it for some reason. 841 00:47:11,559 --> 00:47:17,159 Speaker 3: It is somewhat comforting that I fully believe, and this 842 00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,840 is why it's been so disappointing so far that if 843 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,599 the Clippers play to their potential, if both teams play 844 00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:26,559 to their potential, the Clippers had the advantage. It's just 845 00:47:26,679 --> 00:47:30,519 Denver has been closer to maxing out their potential than 846 00:47:30,519 --> 00:47:32,159 the Clippers have so far in this series. 847 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, there was one game where the Clippers maximize their potential. 848 00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:41,719 They were thirty. 849 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:47,480 Speaker 3: They showed us how it could be, not what it is, but. 850 00:47:47,519 --> 00:47:51,199 Speaker 1: How it could be. All Right, I would like to 851 00:47:51,199 --> 00:47:53,480 fast forward in time to tip off tomorrow. I would 852 00:47:53,519 --> 00:47:56,760 like that game to start right now. Since we are 853 00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,800 all three here, do we have any final thoughts on 854 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,000 Game six before we pick our players? Of the game 855 00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:08,440 is that the Al Davis just win. Baby. 856 00:48:09,559 --> 00:48:12,159 Speaker 3: I need to see them create some turnovers on Denver. 857 00:48:13,079 --> 00:48:18,679 I'm talking sixteen plus that's what I need. 858 00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:20,920 Speaker 1: That means the defense is there. That means the defense 859 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:25,119 is locked in. Could not agree more, William, your final 860 00:48:25,159 --> 00:48:26,599 thoughts before we pick Player of the Game. 861 00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,440 Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, we covered it all, Like let's let's 862 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,000 just get back to the identita of what this team 863 00:48:32,119 --> 00:48:35,679 was all year, Like, let's let's get just the averages 864 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,559 that we're used to, Like, well, I'm not even asking 865 00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:39,960 for fifteen to twenty percent over, Like, can we just 866 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,480 get like the baseline of what we saw this team for, 867 00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,039 you know, the the end stretch of this series, like 868 00:48:45,159 --> 00:48:48,199 this season with Kawhi, Like, can we just get those guys? 869 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,079 Speaker 1: I love it, both great takes. Okay, player of the game. 870 00:48:53,199 --> 00:48:55,599 Everyone's on the table because it's a must win. But 871 00:48:55,639 --> 00:48:58,079 you have to give you have to give a detailed 872 00:48:58,119 --> 00:48:59,960 answer if you pick one of the Big. 873 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,559 Speaker 3: Four Christmas Morning Crazy. 874 00:49:03,519 --> 00:49:08,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, day before Gay Elimination game, Adam, you go. 875 00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:15,800 Speaker 6: First, Well, well, then everyone at my disposal, you can 876 00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,000 say we're to go with I'm going with Big Zoo. 877 00:49:19,519 --> 00:49:23,159 Speaker 3: Gimme Big Zoo. Give me big Zoo with twenty five 878 00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:26,480 and twelve in this game. That's what I need, you 879 00:49:26,519 --> 00:49:29,800 know what. I'm sorry, twenty five and fourteen is. 880 00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:30,320 Speaker 2: What I need. 881 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,119 Speaker 1: A couple of rebounds in there. 882 00:49:32,679 --> 00:49:34,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, after what happened last game, he's gonna make up 883 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,599 for it now. Okay, I'm feeling it. Zoo domination. That's 884 00:49:38,639 --> 00:49:40,639 what I need to see tomorrow. Don't make it so 885 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:41,519 hard on yourself. 886 00:49:41,639 --> 00:49:41,880 Speaker 1: Beats. 887 00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,679 Speaker 3: The Zoo bots has been good, finds him early and often, 888 00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,199 and if he's rolling, it probably means the pick and 889 00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,079 roll is working well with James Harden. So I just 890 00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:52,159 think Zoo is a good indicator of how things could 891 00:49:52,159 --> 00:49:52,480 be going. 892 00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:57,199 Speaker 4: Okay, William Updyke, I'm gonna go Harden. I'm gonna go 893 00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,320 Redemption time. It's time to turn it around. Looking for 894 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,119 a double double in this one with three or less turnovers. 895 00:50:04,039 --> 00:50:07,679 Speaker 1: Three or less turnovers, Damn, we're smoking him if that's 896 00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:14,159 the case. But Kawhi might have seven. So I'm picking 897 00:50:14,199 --> 00:50:20,079 two people because we have so many options. Kawhi Leonard, No, 898 00:50:20,519 --> 00:50:23,480 I'm going I we know that Kawhi has to be good. 899 00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:25,119 I was gonna say Kawhi, but we know he has 900 00:50:25,159 --> 00:50:27,199 to be good. I'm going Nick Patum because I think 901 00:50:27,199 --> 00:50:29,400 we're all kind of assuming that he might be starting. 902 00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:32,119 If he is starting, if he's not starting, I'm going 903 00:50:32,199 --> 00:50:37,679 Nick Patoum. Hopefully I'm on the start Nico train. I 904 00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,039 want to lean into this defense. He's a great tone setter. 905 00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,239 He hits a couple of those no dip threes things. 906 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,519 You know, it trickles down. I'm going Niko. 907 00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,880 Speaker 4: I mean, I love he was the difference maker in 908 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:56,239 the blowout. The twelve straight like Nico Batum minutes, regardless 909 00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,519 of what happens in this series, was just, I mean, 910 00:50:59,559 --> 00:51:01,679 one of my favorite Clippers roleplayer moments ever. 911 00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,400 Speaker 1: Adam, you looked like you had wanted to say something. 912 00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,480 Speaker 3: No troubles are over, dude, We're good. 913 00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,360 Speaker 1: It's easy, breezy man. We win this to in game seven? 914 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,519 All right, Adam Will. 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So yeah, subscribe, 924 00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,440 hit the little bell for notifications and you'll know when 925 00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:44,119 that's going down. 926 00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:49,320 Speaker 1: You very much, will and Adam the most important part 927 00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,480 of the season right here. Give these fans one positive 928 00:51:52,519 --> 00:51:54,199 thing before we had the game six. 929 00:51:55,559 --> 00:51:57,880 Speaker 3: Clippers have only lost one game and into a dome 930 00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,599 of the playoffs. Ever, I don't see it again. 931 00:52:01,679 --> 00:52:04,320 Speaker 1: Let's go. That's all we need. Thank you for hanging 932 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,039 out everybody. Thanks for Joseph I Ward for taking us 933 00:52:07,039 --> 00:52:09,960 on that journey to him buying chicken. We will talk 934 00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,760 to y'all no matter what happens after the game tomorrow night. 935 00:52:14,119 --> 00:52:15,679 As always, let's go Clips