Speaker 1: You am now listening to soft core history. What is up?
Welcome back to softcore History.
Speaker 2: I am your host for the week, Rob Fox, joined
as always by Dan Rejester.
Speaker 1: Rob.
Speaker 2: I'm so shaken, shaken. I'm shook.
Speaker 1: Why you shook?
Speaker 2: I was a victim of a hate crime today. What
happened at the Saint Louis Airport. Yeah, it's a great airport,
one of the worst world class. God, so it's a
horrific airport. I get so fucking angry every time I
have to fly home. I didn't know this, I didn't
choose this, but apparently sassy old black ladies that wear
COVID masks see my face and just hate me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I mean, I wouldn't have guessed it, but
it doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 2: Two of them, two of them came for your boy,
uh in line at the check encounter and then in TSA.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And by the way, every single person almost that
works like TSA and airport counters and TSA pre check
and clear, all of them that work at the single
as airport sassy black ladies. Yes, like it is a
legion of sassy black ladies just giving me the business.
And the one four Yeah, what'd you do? How did
you provoke them? What were you wearing?
Speaker 2: I think my face? Yeah, really probably, I think I
have the look of somebody that perhaps got pardoned by
a certain president, and thus they took out their anger
on me.
Speaker 1: You're right, right, right, right right. I don't think they
care about that though. I think they just I think
that's too high level. I think they're more just like,
I ain't dealing with any fucking white boys with beards today.
Speaker 2: I didn't say anything.
Speaker 1: They provoked. You didn't have to, look I was.
Speaker 2: I was asking for you.
Speaker 1: Look in your eye. You still have an answer. What
you were wearing?
Speaker 2: Just my normal T shirt and Lulu Lemon shorts.
Speaker 1: That'll do it. It's Lulu. It was the Lulu that
did it.
Speaker 2: That might be it. Yeah, Like, look at this white
boy with his short shorts. Who the fuck he think
he is showing thigh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's too much thigh. Maybe they were nagging you,
they liked you.
Speaker 2: They're trying to take my like six hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: Batteries as oh man, that's probably why they were pissed
that you had like real ship you were packing and
they were like, what the fuck is this like theresuld
be a duffel bag full of clothes. I don't know
what is this fucking bag? Like the pelican. K it
was like a fucking pelican to me.
Speaker 2: I mean you pretty much know that. Yeah, that was
our interaction. She's like, I'm gonna call my supervisor. I'm like,
he's gonna say it's okay. Yeah, sure enough. He said
it was okay immediately gave me like within ten seconds.
You're like, fuck, lady also overcharged me for my bag
for Southwest, which bags no longer fly free.
Speaker 1: Bags do not fly free on Southwest no longer.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 1: That was lasted for a while. There was really almost
no reason to fly Southwest anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you don't get to pick your seat. You
have to check make sure you check in early. Yeah,
thankfully the fight back, there's like twenty five percent of
the plane that was it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh that's sick. That's glorious.
Speaker 2: There's a six am flight after Simmer Smash. Yeah, shut us.
The first form did have a good time. It was
a good time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm happy for you. Now, did you get to
eat any Emo's pizza while you're in Saint Louis and
Saint Louis. I passed, I passed. I gotta get you
back there and shove it down your gullet.
Speaker 2: You know, I really have any plans of going back
to Saint Louis.
Speaker 1: I can't physically overpower you, but that wouldn't be actually
as fun. I'd rather watch you awake but paralyzed as
I put you like, I'll have to like give you
some sort of agent poison your drink.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then.
Speaker 1: As you.
Speaker 2: Sit there paralyzed but awake, and I just put shoved down.
My goal is a square of pizza in your mouth
to chew for you, that little cracker with provolone, provel whatever,
it's a different cheese, provolone. They're both not meant to
be on pizza asinine, take correct, take you don't even
like cheese.
Speaker 1: What do you know? I like pizza? Cheese hater.
Speaker 2: We're not getting into this, Yeah, we can't, We can't.
Speaker 1: Today, we already lost Jack.
Speaker 2: Jack's already skipped like thirty minutes ahead to get to
the topic. Yeah, sorry Jack, Sorry Jack, We're ruining your steam.
All right, We'll get into the topic. You just came
from one of the great Irish Catholic cities in America.
So today we're talking about one of the great the
greatest Irish Catholic family in America. Really going back to
that well Kennedy's hell yeah, but there's one what we
haven't hit.
Speaker 1: There's one shaft we haven't gone down, Robert. No, no, no, no, no,
well we probably haven't, but we've.
Speaker 2: Done Sir Han, Sir Han, Yeah, certainly.
Speaker 1: Uh, today we're talking about the son. Most listeners know
who this son is because you guys like history and
stuff like that. But he doesn't get talked about a
lot because he was the first victim of the Kennedy curse.
Speaker 2: Which son Joe Junior.
Speaker 1: Joe Junior, the eldest Kennedy, the heir to the throne. Yeah,
the prince, the true prince.
Speaker 2: That was not promised.
Speaker 1: He was promised, but he, like Jeb Bush. People forget
this about Jeb Bush, was the one originally destined to
be the president from that generation.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It wasn't George, it.
Speaker 1: Was not w. It was not w. It was Jeb.
But I think a lot of what fucked Jeb was
that he.
Speaker 2: Married late at the time.
Speaker 1: I think that was kind of what like kneecapped.
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, I'm kind of cool with the Hispanics.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm in love. Is that a problem? And
everyone's like, yeah, that's a kind of fucking problem that
is that's just not gonna pull for us yet. Yeah,
that's not gonna work at all. Love yuck, love gross
not to do like mime it to death. But it's
very much like the practice, like practice, we're talking about practice.
Speaker 2: But he is, you know, the Florida guy. Yeah, it
kind of checks out if that's how you win Florida. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Is there urnaments on Florida governors? I don't know, I
don't remember.
Speaker 2: I believe so there certainly isn't.
Speaker 1: In Texas, No, there is not. In Texas. We got
a king Lena Say he could have he could have
been governor of Florida in perpetuity.
Speaker 2: And actually the most powerful man in Texas is the
Lieutenant Governor, Danny Danny Patrick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the he's the worker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he gets the control really everything. He kind of
sets things in motion.
Speaker 1: He's the one making all the moves. Oh, Greg just
signs things. But yeah, like Jeb Joe Kennedy was the
original Joe Junior was the original Prince of the Kennedy family,
the one destined to be president, but he died in
World War Two, and John that what happened. JFK became
the new prince. But how much do we know about
about Joe? You really just say, Oh, Joe was the one.
He died in World War Two. He was a bomber pilot.
Sad end of story. Now today we're getting into Joe. However,
we're getting into Joe today.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about him.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about Joey today because he lived a short
but interesting life and I'm I enjoyed researching it. There's
not a lot, but just because like he didn't live
very long. I think he was twenty maybe twenty nine
when he died.
Speaker 2: But you know he uh do have details on the death,
Oh a lot? Yeah, I got it.
Speaker 1: I got that.
Speaker 2: I got that. Like his last words, I literally have
his last words, sick, well, his last recorded words, as in, like,
I don't know if he said something after he was
on the radio, like.
Speaker 1: Ah, fuck you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Fuck th shot me? What the hell?
Speaker 1: Goddamn it that's probably what it was, because that's the
only Kennedy thing, goddamn it. But Kennedy Joe Junior was
born July twenty fifth, nineteen fifteen, at a summer renal
cottage in Nanta Tesseck Nantaskett, Nantaskett, Massachusetts, Whole Massachusetts. I'm sorry,
Nantasket Beach in Whole Massachusetts, and it's okay.
Speaker 2: You don't have to pronounce anything from Massachusetts correct.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. It's an outrageous state full of outrageous names.
But you know, he lived the childhood that a normal
rich kid, like hyper rich kid would live. He attended
the Dexter School in Brookline, Massachusetts, so did John. In
nineteen thirty three, Kennedy graduated from Choate.
Speaker 2: You're just saying things right now.
Speaker 1: You don't know Choate. You're an East Coast guy.
Speaker 2: Don't know Choke.
Speaker 1: You don't know what Dexter School is. You don't know
anyone you've know heard you actually really haven't heard a Choate.
Speaker 2: No, what the fuck is Choke.
Speaker 1: It's like the most prestigious boarding school high school in
the country.
Speaker 2: They have a good lax team.
Speaker 1: I'm certain they have a good lax team. Okay, I
don't know. I don't know, but I've never been more
certain of anything about lacrosse than choate having a good
lacrosse team, just.
Speaker 2: A bunch of boys being sent far away from home
throwing a ball against the wall over and over again.
Speaker 1: Gotta assume per capita. One of the leading gay experience
gay first time experience places on the continental United States.
Speaker 2: What better time than boarding school? Right, Nobody else is around.
It's like prison. So it's not even gay.
Speaker 1: It's it's not it's not you gay. I'm boarding school gay.
Speaker 2: It's like I had no other options fifteen, I'm hitting puberty.
Speaker 1: I'm fifteen, and masturbating nine times.
Speaker 2: A day is the only holes around. I'm that gay. Like, actually,
not fucking a guy in boarding school is kind of gay.
It's kind of gay. Yeah, it's like, oh, you're abstinent, bitch,
cold dude. Come on, man, you don't get butt pussy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Smith is giving it up in room twelve. Dude, he
drank a whole fucking fit the JMI and he is
just giving it up.
Speaker 1: Let's go.
Speaker 2: You find the rich kid, he blows you, You blackmail him.
Speaker 1: Next thing you know, you're Senator Kennedy.
Speaker 2: That's how it I operated, That's how it worked.
Speaker 1: People don't want to talk about what you to do
behind the scenes to get powerful. But it's getting the
richest kid, you know to blow you at boarding school
in joke.
Speaker 2: It's not just women getting a head that way.
Speaker 1: No, nor should it be.
Speaker 2: I mean, think about the airport in Minnesota where you
double tap in the stall.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's getting a head there. A head there.
Speaker 2: They're getting head, yeah, certainly, but not ahead.
Speaker 1: In fact, if anything, you're very very behind. If you're
getting blown into Minneapolis.
Speaker 2: Airport stall, well yeah, they're definitely taking it from behind.
Speaker 1: No, I mean you're just well, yes, baby.
Speaker 2: Got a But also, why do you want power of Minnesota?
Speaker 1: Do impromptu anal like that? I feel like that's just
not a thing. It's got to be.
Speaker 2: It seems like you need to prep.
Speaker 1: There's gotta be just a nightmare.
Speaker 2: You're not just gonna spit on it.
Speaker 1: You can't. I know, you can't just go in. I've
had anal sex like it's nothing. How that works?
Speaker 2: Not for me? I don't like it is not a fan.
Speaker 1: Not a fan. Vagina's more than enough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the autobond's literally right next to a neighborhood full
of speed bumps.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you really want to take a country road. No thanks,
you get the interstate right there.
Speaker 2: Now, I'm going to fifty than that Cherman Highway. And
by the way, that highway is made to go to fifty, Yeah,
like it is where the other highway is truly.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can speed, but someone's gonna get hurt.
Speaker 2: You're flying through the windshield.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's gonna be a bad accident if you speed
on that road.
Speaker 2: You're never recovering.
Speaker 1: Man, this metaphor works a lot better than I thought
it was going to. Yeah, it really, it's just a
back road versus versus the highway. Yeah. So, as the
firstborn Joe Junior, he was described as a you know,
typical firstborn rich kids, self assured, out going From a
very young age, he allegedly inherited his father's charm and
his mother's poise. He was a natural leader among his siblings.
Biographies of the Kennedys portray him as magnetic, commanded attention
in every room he went in.
Speaker 2: A Kennedy no way, Yeah, I know, right, that seems
like a nightmare, like like the type of thing where
like if you're in a room full of funny people
and everyone's trying to one up each other and any
reasonable person just wants to kill themselves and leave. That's
just hanging out with comedians. Yeah, fuck that just one
up in each other. No, thank you.
Speaker 1: It's funny that comedians like look fondly upon that like
that just it just means like you're not exhausting having
a normal conversation.
Speaker 2: But can you imagine if sprinters imagine being the Kennedy
though that doesn't have the aura.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be the daughter. But then she had her
aura taken from her.
Speaker 2: Well, sometimes you got an aura farm so it doesn't
get taken away from you.
Speaker 1: It was a farmed, but it all went straight to
the dumpster. No one harvested it, no no one fed
on it. He was just thrown away. So Joe Junior,
great athlete, this is I suppose, prelax. But at choate
he uh was known for being a great football player,
great sailor really good at sailing races like single sailboat races.
Actually JFK.
Speaker 2: My dad actually when he was sixteen was a part
of like this sailing kind of like race I think
down the Caribbean. Yeah, and he crashed the boat sick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why you watch those things for the any
race is.
Speaker 2: For a crash. I don't he was, you know, a
promising young sailor.
Speaker 1: Oh do you get injured?
Speaker 2: He cost his team?
Speaker 1: Oh he just got blackballed. He crashed the boat.
Speaker 2: I think you, yeah, I think you just like no
longer have a future in the sport. But the water
still called to him, and he remained a water man.
Speaker 1: He could never get far away from the water. Now, yeah,
it's in the blood.
Speaker 2: You know. I'm supposed to be a third generation water man.
It's all my mom asked for me not to be.
We know, Yeah, could have been a.
Speaker 1: Water man, is your mom. There's just like kitchen table
conversations while you're a baby.
Speaker 4: I don't want this life for Daniel. I was a
water man, but daddy was a water man. Here, daddy
was a water man. Danny's gonna be a water man.
I want my boy to go to college, college, and
you were to send him to boarding school. You gonna
suck some man's dick.
Speaker 2: Have a rich boy blow him so he could be
a politician like your grandfather.
Speaker 1: Go to jail. It'll be a water man.
Speaker 2: It's honest. This is I mean, probably how the conversation went. Yeah,
I had to be from the South though, I can't
do Philly.
Speaker 1: So they were all it was a little.
Speaker 2: Yo, yeah, bi yo, you need he needs to be
a waterman, bro water man.
Speaker 1: No, he's gotta go to college.
Speaker 2: No, No, it's it's just kind of like you're complaining
the wh time in that. Yeah. Yeah, it just gets
some haggis down a wall.
Speaker 1: Wall. But that happened, and then they were like, well,
what what's your sister's name, Taylor? What about Taylor?
Speaker 2: I don't care. I don't care more or less. Granted
I could do whatever I wanted. She wasn't really allowed
to go out too much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's yeah, that's kind of the same thing.
Speaker 2: That's male privilege.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dan, you go out, you get it, you get
a chick pregnant. Honestly, if you got a chick pregnant,
your dad was probably into that because it would have
got you into the water business for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you know what it would have me?
Speaker 2: Certainly?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you would have had no choice, but guessing job.
You're like Jake gilling Hall in October Sky. You just
go work the mines with your dad, drop out of high.
Speaker 2: School, simple life. Yeah, good life.
Speaker 1: You could have gone to work the water mine.
Speaker 2: Breathing chemicals forty years. I have to get a lung
transplant like my old man. Could have could have been
a great life.
Speaker 1: Could have been great. I can guarantee you were never
gonna suck a dick at choke.
Speaker 2: No, not that you wouldn't. I mean I it was
never on the table to begin with.
Speaker 1: You couldn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't going to choke regardless.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't a wooden and it was a couldn't.
Speaker 2: I could have gone to Malvern Prepp. I think that
was an option, but I don't. I don't know how
they get down there. Certainly it's not Saint Joe. San
Jose keeps winning state championships in football, But.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Saint Joe's.
Speaker 2: Yea powerhouse.
Speaker 1: So yeah, he was a great football player at Choate,
Joe Junior was. He was super competitive, especially with his siblings.
He had a intense sibling rivalry with John, who was
less physically strong than him.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I kind of wish I had a brother. I
feel like I missed out on that. Yeah it's fine, Yeah,
but I feel like you get to like practice the
art of ball busting. You do certainly you're always on
your fucking toes.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's no different than being on a sports
team or being in a fraternity, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can't escape it. You go go home
and you're still dealing with it.
Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, it's a good aspect, that's fair.
I don't like it anymore.
Speaker 2: Like I'm just like, like you were in the trenches,
yeah with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're especially Yeah when you're when you have brothers
and you're a guy or girl, you are just raised
in a way you grow not even raise, you grow
up in a way where you are just head on
a swivel. Ya.
Speaker 2: Having a sister doesn't really feel the same way, especially
by the way she insults me.
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, especially because it's a younger sister.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, I'm not gonna take it seriously.
Speaker 1: The only the only useful sister is an older sister.
Speaker 2: Not even well maybe to buy your booze.
Speaker 1: No, And I feel like you understand women better if
you have an older sister.
Speaker 2: And then you could always hit on like their friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hot friends.
Speaker 2: Especially when you're younger, you're like twelve thirteen, your sister's
like seventeen eighteen, you kind of develop, but yeah, I
think that's how you develop RIZ.
Speaker 1: Actually it is. I'm saying pet guys are older sisters
full of riz. Oh yeah, absolute riz city.
Speaker 2: Because it's essentially just like shameless. Yeah, like you just
fire it will Who cares if you fail?
Speaker 1: You're twelve, it doesn't matter. You are essentially a twelve
year old in a batting cage now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're just getting reps. Yeah. And you know the
older ladies, you make them laugh.
Speaker 1: If you can make an older lady laugh, you can
make an older girl laugh, not older lady, but an
older girl laugh. If you're twelve and you're cracking up
a sixteen year.
Speaker 2: Old chick, dude, you're gonna be a poon hound.
Speaker 1: You're gonna a You're gonna beat off to that for months.
Speaker 2: You're a problem. Yeah, God forbid you actually pull it off. Yeah,
oh wow, you do that after they get divorced. Then
you just ruin your sister's friendships.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you're like, man, you weren't as hot
as I remember, but I still gotta do this for twelve.
Speaker 2: And it's also way colder than like hitting on your
sister who's younger's friends.
Speaker 1: You're seventeen and a thirteen year old.
Speaker 2: Not quite the same dynamic. No, you come, I'm off
a little bit of a as a predator, you know.
Speaker 1: And in fact it makes that makes you more rizless
because they'll laugh at anything because you're the old you
know what I mean. The same way you think that
the older sister's friends are super cool no matter what
they're actually like, unless they're like absolute monsters. Uh. It's
the same way with the thirteen year old girl and
the brother. Unless again, lest the brother is like a fat.
Speaker 2: Like like they'll be like, oh hi Dan, No, they're
not like that other than ever, No, and you just
come off creepy. But always aim older when you're younger.
Speaker 1: Uh what does younger mean? Like we're just talking about okay, yeah, yeah,
well yeah, if you're twelve, don't aim for fucking fourth grade.
Speaker 2: No. But I'm saying, like, it's just it's always a
better situation when your sister's older than younger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree. I think that's the useful type
of sister. So U Joe Junior and JFK super competitive
big sibling rivalry. Joe Junior usually obliterated JFK in everything,
like physical wise, because JFK had health issues growing up
and Joe was like the fucking athlete. Although JFK did
beat him in a race one time, in like a
sailing race at their one of their vacation homes, and
apparently Joe Junior just had like a fucking meltdown over it.
Speaker 2: It's a race, dude, with a boat. It's not like
a foot race. Skill though, totally control that kind of
stakes skill. He didn't skill, but also there's other factors
that are out of your control.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they were especially rivals him and a JFK
because they were close in age but very different in personality.
I guess Joe Junior was assertive, a robust guy. JFK
was more witty and introspective and obviously more physically frail
than Joe. But they often like rough house and stuff
like that. Even though Joe Junior was the undisputed golden
child of the family, he would sometimes get jealous because
JFK was a lot wittier than him and probably a
little smarter than him at least two.
Speaker 2: So Joe is a meathead.
Speaker 1: Joe's I mean, he wasn't like stupid, but he was
way more of a meathead than JFK. JFK was way
more of like a witty, clever guy, and that would
piss him off sometimes because he was like the one
everyone adored. But then JFK would be like getting laughs
on the side, which explains a lot about JFK. Never
expected to be there, so he's always just like getting
laughs and charming ladies and didn't really care. Like he's
the second one. He doesn't think he's gonna be anything.
Mm hmm, So he's just gonna have fun. Maybe I'll
be a congressman at some point, but Joe will be
president and I can just I will thought wholes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, super witty like JFKY. Great impression.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you appreciate that. I wish I could do it.
I wish I could do a Kennedy about the mileage
I would get.
Speaker 2: Really, it's the confidence you have, confidence and everything else.
Speaker 1: I know what I can't do, or you're holding yourself back.
Maybe let it let rip, baby, let it rip. Jimmy's
a lot of confidence. Jaz it's a it's I hit.
I hit the mic with that one, and I don't
Can you.
Speaker 2: Just like not do a Massachusetts accent. Really what, No,
I can't, Yeah, pack you Yeah, I can't. Yeah, but
you can do an English accent and you can do
an Irish accent. Yeah, it's like a cousin to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's it's weird. Yeah, but it's like a swampy
slop cousin fucking thigh.
Speaker 2: If it itus, yeah, I just go. I immediately go
the potted go. Yeah, you have to go, damn it.
Speaker 1: But what's funny is like they even in that movie.
I listen to those accents and I'm like, I think
they're nailing it, but it almost does sound really fucking fake. No,
but people do so like that, I know, which is like, yeah,
I know, which is weird.
Speaker 2: If there's one place we need to go, it's Fenway. Yeah,
well really, now down the accent when we're there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll just observe. I won't speak the entire time. No,
got to sit in the fucking cheapest seats in the house.
Speaker 2: And then like code switch into a Boston Yeah, person.
Speaker 1: Like Leo in The Departed code switching when he's.
Speaker 2: From in Southea has a different accent.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I bet you the shore. I bet you had
two different accents. Didn't you a little flack? I can't
do it anyway. Joe Junior's father, Joe Senior, believed steadfastly
this was his goal for his son from birth, that
he would be the first Catholic president of the United States.
When Joe Junior was born, his maternal grandfather, John F. Fitzgerald,
who was the mayor of Boston at the time, UH
told reporters, quote, this child is the future president of
the nation. From his birth. They were like, he's gonna
be fucking president.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then kind of dig into it and see
the families that have kind of controlled the highest office
for the last I don't know, one hundred years. The pierces,
the bushes.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny though, those the Clintons are in
there sort of and they're white trash.
Speaker 2: But not really like Bill's kind of got some Hollywood connections. Now,
he grew up white trash, he did, but he also
was maybe.
Speaker 1: The Kennedys didn't grow white trash, The Bushes didn't grow
white trash. Bill Clinton grew up actual mud person trash.
I don't know what Hillary was.
Speaker 2: Sure, but he was definitely groomed to like Bill. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, at some point they're like, this guy's charming. I
like this charming son of a bitch.
Speaker 2: And he was so a lot of people say that
about Jade Vance as well, that he was groomed, came
from white trash.
Speaker 1: Yes, he did come from perhaps.
Speaker 2: Maybe wrote a whole book about being you know, has
some Peter Thiel connections. Yeah, we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 1: So this is real Taiwan Lanister ship from Joe Senior.
Joe Junior was the eldest, and he was the primary
focus of his father's ask for Dad was dumping everything
into Joe Junior. Obviously, obviously all the kids got an
education just like his, and all the boys got you know,
we're expected to be I think in the political or
super high up business fhere, right, they were all expected
to be important men, but only one was expected to
be president of the fucking United States. So after high school,
after choked, Kennedy spent a year studying under the tutelage
of Harold Laski at the London School of Economics. And
after that, of course, of course, he went to Harvard.
Speaker 2: Well to have it, Yad, Harvard, you get the London
banks in your back pocket.
Speaker 1: Yeah, m Now this is where things get interested. In
nineteen thirty four, Joe Junior was nineteen and his dad
was like, all right, you're gonna be president, You're gonna
be an important politician. We need to make you worldly.
You need to see the world, specifically travel abroad, Yes,
specifically Europe.
Speaker 2: So a semester couple.
Speaker 1: No, it was just like a trip backpacked.
Speaker 2: No, he certainly did not backupine sailed around the world.
Speaker 1: Think like the talented mister Ripley, but he's Jude Law.
Speaker 2: Never seen the movie.
Speaker 1: Oh it's a great movie. It's a rich guy in Europe. Okay,
So when he's nineteen, he goes to Europe the broadness horizons.
Joe Junior or Joe Senior. He's a prominent businessman obviously,
and he's later the US Ambassador to the UK, which
we'll get to. Uh. And he was known, he had
a ton of international connections.
Speaker 2: Kind of has a little bit of Quincy vibes.
Speaker 1: Who Joe, Yeah, yes, very much so. It is It
is very much.
Speaker 2: How following the John Quincy Adams Johnny.
Speaker 1: But if you like I say this, and a lot
of times it's bullshit when you're like, oh, watch the
show and it'll show that, like like Rome, for example,
is a show that shows some good things. And I
think the Caesar assassination scene is like I don't know
how accurate it is, but it gets the vibe right.
But there's other stuff. Obviously if you were there, would
you get a stab in?
Speaker 2: Yeah, for the history, for the history, but also like
he's gonna die anyway.
Speaker 1: What's one more stab? At that point? You didn't kill him.
Speaker 2: No, here, it's really just like kind of a just
a sack of potatoes. You're you're going at.
Speaker 1: Pretty just a second meat. He was poking, sorry, but yeah, no,
he is very much a jqua. I mean in the
show John Adams was gonna say, is they illustrate that
very much Like John Quincy at one point as a
child is like Papa, I like farming, I want a farm,
and John Adams is like farming.
Speaker 2: A noble profession. They're are going on the earth law.
Speaker 1: He's like like like sorting manure, and he's like, but
it'll be the law for you. And politics and all
this shit. And that's Joe Junior. Born to be a politician,
born to do the things his dad couldn't. His dad's
kind of a stage dad. His dad was important and
he was a big businessman, but it was you know,
it wasn't the time to have a Catholic that high up.
Couldn't do it yet.
Speaker 2: Was his dad and in trying to remove FDR from office.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, we'll get to that. Okay, we will get
to that, but yes, kind of Uh. He was not
part of the business plot that I'm aware of. That
I'm aware of, but I didn't look into his dad
very much. So his dad has had a huge interest
in like global affairs. He's a ton of international connections.
Speaker 2: Like I said, he's a globalist.
Speaker 1: So the trip to actually I don't know about that,
but we'll get to it maybe, but we'll get to it.
Actually maybe maybe, but we'll get to it.
Speaker 2: Reptilian, So.
Speaker 1: He did a trip through Europe in nineteen thirty four
that concluded Germany.
Speaker 2: Listen, nothing wrong in Germany in the thirties.
Speaker 1: Nazee Germany.
Speaker 2: Yeah I know that, yeah, but like no issues yet.
That Hitler, that Hitler's a bad egg.
Speaker 1: So Hitler had become Chancellor of Germany in nineteen thirty.
Speaker 2: There was Nazi parties in America that time. Henry Ford
was like leading the charge, let's chap the brakes on that,
because yeah, there were people who were like it, Charles Lindberg.
This guys got some good ideas, but there's a difference.
We'll get to it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to it right now. Is Joe a
big Hitler supporter. We're gonna get into that right now. Okay,
literally right now. So Joe, nineteen year old Joe. But
Joe goes to Germany in nineteen thirty four. Hitler had
been chancellor since nineteen thirty three, so about a year.
And the Nazi regime at the time, it's consolidating power,
it's implementing policies like Nuremberg laws, and it also in
nineteen thirty three, so basically, right when Hitler took power,
implemented the sterilization program called this was the name of
the law, the Prevention of hereditarily Diseased Offspring Law.
Speaker 2: Yeah, eugenics was kind of a big thing.
Speaker 1: But it's a huge, huge, humongous thing.
Speaker 2: Motherfucking Helen Keller was a eugenist, ironic, but again she
was not born that way. I'm blind the right way
six months after I was born. Yeah, all these born
blindies drown them I'm useful, are you No, really pulled
the ladder up big time. And I don't think she
was writing her speeches, yeah.
Speaker 1: Or her books or anything. So while the specific details
of Joe Junior's itinerary in Germany are spars, it is
known that he visited the country. Are they Yeah, they
are from what.
Speaker 2: I could tell they are, But we burned the books.
Speaker 1: We do have first hand.
Speaker 2: Reasons writing journals. He's just like, I love this Adolf Hitler.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to that. There are some first hand.
Speaker 2: Resources, some good ideas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna get to that. So he went to
the country. Essentially, his trip to Nazi Germany was like
if if you or I took a trip to North Korea,
they would just show you around and show you how
awesome everything.
Speaker 2: Was, especially me. I'm pretty sure I have a statue
in North Korea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yah, you are a beloved Wes.
Speaker 2: I'm one of UN's like top five writers.
Speaker 1: You were a big read of his back in the day.
And if you're listening, Kim.
Speaker 2: And I know who you are.
Speaker 1: We love you.
Speaker 2: We'll see the traffic in North Gray Spike, Yeah, yeah,
what up? As long as we mentioned in the hill,
he'll listener, We'll.
Speaker 1: Ride for the Democratic Republic of North Korea. It's in
the name dog.
Speaker 2: I don't think he understands, especially with like a secondary
language satire sarcasm. Yeah, it does translate, So I think, yeah,
I might be his favorite writer.
Speaker 1: You go to like you got to Lake, I don't know,
just like a Turkish prison, like a midnight Express and
you just learn a little bit of Turkish and they're like,
would you like to be raped now? And you're like, oh, yeah,
I'd love to be raped. It's not how they're gonna
hear it.
Speaker 2: But that also might turn them off. He's like, oh
he wants it. Yeah, that's not raped then yeah, like.
Speaker 1: I said to everything, like, ah, it's in fun anymore.
Speaker 2: That kind of ruins their joy.
Speaker 1: So he basically got like a North Korea version tour
of Nazi Germany. So obviously a sharp Harvard man educated
at choke.
Speaker 2: Stop saying choke raised by it.
Speaker 1: No one knows what choke is raised by a sharp
political mind. He would see through all this right.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, he's nineteen. No, he's a moron. No,
every nineteen year old is a moron. It doesn't matter
you have to go through just being I mean, you're
just too young. You're too young to know anything anything
and no world experience, even if you're raised the way
he was. He was probably the room to be fucking
US President till Or a total imbecile.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was probably one of the sharpest minds
of politics as far as nineteen year old twin in
the country at the time. But he's still fucking nineteen.
Speaker 2: I still don't even think I've like fully awakened debt. No,
like I think I'm still an NPC. I'm still winning
to finally click come to life. Yeah, one of these days.
Speaker 1: So would murdering you be illegal? I think technically, but
like you're not really a person immoral.
Speaker 2: Probably not, you know, I'll just move on to the
next life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, regenerate respawn, Yeah, you just start. You don't even
you're not even a baby. You just wake up, like
walking down a street. But that was weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ugh, it must have been a dream.
Speaker 1: Whatever. You just shrug it off. Let me go you
to Brito. So. Joe Junior wrote to his father, Joe
Senior about his trip through Germany, and he expressed admiration
for the Nazi sterilization program, calling it quote a great
thing that would eliminate quote disgusting specimens of men.
Speaker 2: Sounds very Icelandic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not eugenics if it happens while they're a fetus.
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, you know, how did Eisland get rid of
all the people with down syndrome?
Speaker 1: Funny story about that, same way Sparta got rid of
all babies with club feet.
Speaker 2: Not something to celebrate, guys, Nope.
Speaker 1: So he also praised Hitler's ability to instill a sense
of unity and purpose, writing quote, quote, Hitler is building
a spirit in his men that could be envied by
any country.
Speaker 2: I mean, you watch those clips. Everyone's kind of hyped.
He was a great hype man. I just saw fucking
little John this weekend, had a first form that summer smash.
I bet Hitler kind of got the country going that
way will.
Speaker 1: John type of Yeah, yeah, you'll do anything after a while.
Speaker 2: Just gotta be loud and just full of energy and
just yeah, you get the people going.
Speaker 1: He did. Hard to say he was a little John
of his time. Hard to say he didn't. So Joe
Junior wrote about how the Nazis handled Jews as well.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine then Joe was like super down with
the Jews either.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: He described it as quote not a lot of people
were Yeah, he'd ever I mean today he described it
as quote quote well founded. You know this pops up
every like fifteen to twenty years. Maybe there's smoke there,
what maybe there's you know, there's a lot of smoke there.
Speaker 1: Sure, he went on to elaborate, quote, they were at
the heads of all big business in law, etc. It
is all to their credit for them to get so far,
but their methods had been quite unscrupulous. The lawyers and
prominent judges were Jews, and if you had a case
against the Jew you were nearly always sure to lose it.
As far as the brutality is concerned, it must have
been necessary to use.
Speaker 2: Some Yeah, I mean these just sound like Kanye lyrics.
Speaker 1: That is a hard quote from the Joe Junior letter
to Joe Senior. Joe Junior also praised Hitler's insight, his
instincts into you know, finding a common enemy for the
German people, that being the Jews.
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe if Joe becomes president, Israel doesn't exist real.
Speaker 1: Likely and he would have been president at this point
or in the next fifteen years anyway.
Speaker 2: Or maybe he had a bit of a role in
the White House when he comes back from the war.
Speaker 1: He did plan to run for Congress when he came
back from the.
Speaker 2: War, so maybe he prevents Israel. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Joe Junior wrote of Hitler's he said it
was brilliant that he found a common enemy and wrote, quote,
it was excellent psychology, and it was too bad that
it had to be done to the Jews. He's like,
I got nothing as Jews, like the faith, but like,
clearly the Jews in this country are bananas. And you know,
I don't want I wouldn't pick Jews. I'm just saying
they were there and they picked him and it was
a smooth move.
Speaker 2: He's just like saying they got rid of organized crime.
I fucking guess. It's like every Italian is obviously in
the mob.
Speaker 1: So anyway, Kennedy becomes a delegate to the Democratic National
Convention six years later, of course, in nineteen forty, and
the first thing he does is advocate for isolationism. I
was going Jefferson, No, he's going Lindbergh kind of which
is it's not off eight, it's not a wall, which
not a I disagree because obviously this thing was gonna
get global, especially by nineteen forty, like the ward already started.
But and like the Germans were trying to control the
seas with U boats and shit like that. But he
was like, let Europe panel Europe's problems.
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, if he goes after Russia at some point,
let's say, conquers all of Europe, he's probably coming for
us at some point, at some point he's going to
get a thirst some way. He's like, I could do this,
It'd be a heat check moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the way you do it is people are like, oh,
you could never invade America because like the Atlantic Ocean
is there. But the way the Germans could have done
it is you take the UK and then okay, America,
we're not gonna bother you. We're just gonna invade Canada
because they were allied with the United Kingdom and all
of a sudden, that trip across the Atlantic Ocean becomes
a lot shorter because you're going through Iceland and Greenland
and there's way points you're not going, you know, England.
Speaker 2: To their control in the Sea Virginia without any problems
almost certainly, What the fuck is the Canadian Navy gonna
do there doesn't exist? Like, uh yeah, I don't know.
Maybe he'd be down with all the Nazis in America.
I think he would probably try it, and he would
try to like overthrow the government from within.
Speaker 1: Make America sympathetic and be an ally and being like, look,
I'm fighting the Communists. Aren't communists so much worse than me? Yeah,
And a lot of people are like, oh yeah, it's
like you don't have to take a side when it's
two bad people. You can sit out, you can say it,
you can just say, maybe Joe's right, you could set
this out. Yeah. So Joe Kennedy vocally opposed FDR's nomination
for a third term, which is legit, which is legit,
although he wasn't doing it for a legit reason.
Speaker 2: No one else did it. What he's a trendsetter, you know,
no one had done a third term at that point.
Speaker 1: Well, people had tried one or two people have tried,
including a Roosevelt.
Speaker 2: All right, but I don't I don't even think Teddy
was really believing in him getting that third term.
Speaker 1: It was a stretch, like he was a long shot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he just kind of did it to
like fuck his party, a thorn in the side of
his party.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I kind of agree. So he opposed FDR's
third term, and his father was an isolationist, so he
was like, yeah, I'm an isolationist too. He didn't want
to get the US into World War two by this point,
by nineteen forty, was pretty controversial, and it placed him
in the minority of the US population who were like,
I mean, this is common. There's just no way around this.
It's it's gonna happen. And that's not even talking about
the Japanese. He's focused on Europe for the most part,
but a.
Speaker 2: Lot of all of that talk were the Japanese on
our radars, like Pearl Harbor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely absolutely, because.
Speaker 2: We see them bucking in the Pacific.
Speaker 1: We had shit in this Pacific, including a lot of bases.
We were massively in the Philippines still, and we.
Speaker 2: Did after were they fucking our shit up?
Speaker 1: They didn't fuck our shit up, but FDR was like,
they're they're gonna come and they're gonna try to fuck
with the ship we owned in the Pacific, And so
that's why we did, like the oil embargo and stuff
like that. And also the Japanese were I think maybe
already conquering Indonesia, which is where a lot of rubber
came from. Yeah, which would would have fucked the American
economy at the time, especially the auto industry.
Speaker 2: But it is like our fucking girl Helen Keller friends
with the emperor.
Speaker 1: Makes you think she's a bad person. Meanwhile, I mean,
Hitler would have just thrown her in a gas chamber,
but here a Hedo give.
Speaker 2: Her found interesting an audience. I guess, I don't know.
Speaker 1: He was like, would you like to stay in my
court as some sort of decoration?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Would that be fun for you?
Speaker 2: Like a jester almost because she just made sounds.
Speaker 1: So Kennedy was anti third term for FDR isolationists. Most
of this might have really been because at this point,
although they initially supported FDR because they were Democrats, that
Kennedy's had a falling out with the Roosevelts. Kennedy Senior
had been made ambassador to the United Kingdom in nineteen
thirty eight, and they felt like that was him being
sidelined for a better position, you know what I mean,
Like there he wanted better positions in the in the
government and and FDR wouldn't give it to him and
just made him ambassador, which he felt was.
Speaker 2: He was slided. Yeah, so I was like, you're now
my enemy that will come for you. Yeah, basically.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he sent Joe Junior to the Masters's delegation
to be like fuck FDR.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 1: So I don't know how much Joe actually held those
positions in real life. And we'll get more into one
of those reasons for a second or in a second.
Speaker 2: But no, not affiliated with the business plot at all,
not to my knowledge. I look, it wasn't with like
Smedley Butler.
Speaker 1: I think those were Republicans okay involved in And it
was also early enough that he was probably still an FDR.
Speaker 2: Because allegedly Smedley Butler wasn't even with h himself. Yeah,
or the business plot. They just like kind of nominated him.
Speaker 1: Oh, Junior Senior, was Joe can you involved in the
business plot? I don't think he was. I think he
was still an FDR supporter at the time. This was
like six years, seven years after the business plot something
like that. Anyway, So Joe jor Joe Senior, I should say,
was also trying to undermine FDR constantly while he was
in his little kid's table position as Ambassador of the
United Nations. So he's ambassador to the United Kingdom. He's
Ambassador the United Kingdom from thirty eight to forty so
during the start of World War Two and the London Blitz,
Joe Senior is the ambassador to the United Kingdom and
he's mad about it, and so he starts just talking
shit about the UK.
Speaker 2: I mean, the UK was talking about the UK at
that point.
Speaker 1: He was like, dude, the United Kingdom is cooked. They're
not gonna beat Germany, They're gonna lose, They're probably get
invaded and lose. Let's just let's just cut our tie
and go full isolationists, like fuck this, Like the top
American in the UK is just like these guys are
fucking gone.
Speaker 2: I mean, Chamberlain is usually kind of like thrown under
the bus right for handling things so poorly.
Speaker 1: Yep, there is an alternate theory. I don't know how
much I buy it, but there's an alternate theory that
he was like he knew the UK couldn't compete in
like thirty six, thirty seven, thirty eight, and so he
was appeasing just to buy time and hope the Brits
would get like the population would get scared of Germany's intentions,
and the Americans we scared of Germany's intentions, and the
French probably already were scared and build up their their
industrial capacity and military capacity that was in no way
ready to build up fight Germany at that time, because
Germany was already ahead of the game.
Speaker 2: Despite all the sanctions from World War II.
Speaker 1: Oh, they just but they were they were through that
by that point.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: They just yeah, just repped it back up.
Speaker 1: They were just like, we're gonna make an army again.
Speaker 2: They're so efficient, come and stop us.
Speaker 1: We're gonna make an army.
Speaker 2: What are you gonna do? You can come and try
on Frenchies.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Kennedy Junior's stances at the at the forty
convention were probably more family related than well, they're politically related,
in that he was trying to fuck their political enemy.
I don't know that he necessarily believed in the positions
he was taking at the time.
Speaker 2: I don't know, kind of sounds like he still believed
in what he was saying.
Speaker 1: I think if FDR had given Daddy everything Daddy wanted.
They would have been going hard for a third FDR term.
Speaker 2: He seemed pretty uh, you know hard himself on Germany.
He was, he was rock hard for Germany. Joe Jr.
Speaker 1: Well we'll get to that.
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and do not regret when she told me so. It
should be noted that his stances on the Nazis had
shifted by this point. And what do you think could
change a Kennedy's mind?
Speaker 2: Pussy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was bad Brazilian bitch, oh Brazilian.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But a lady, a Brazilian lady by the name of
Amy de Hereen Portuguese accent. Yeah, let's see what she
looked like. Young, I forgot to say, Oh boy, this
can't be her.
Speaker 2: Is this her? This is what took down Joe?
Speaker 1: Whoa jil?
Speaker 2: Let's see it. She looked good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a face shot.
Speaker 2: But she is obviously like an attractive as well. Oh yeah,
so he starts banging her and starts seeing the world differently. Yeah,
I get it, I get it, Joe.
Speaker 1: And what's interesting about her is that she was a socialite,
of course, just look at her. Yeah, but also a
Brazilian secret service agent.
Speaker 2: She was a spot right, yeah, honeypotted.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And she was in Europe a lot and dealing
with the Nazis, trying to fuck with South America and
stuff like that. They started banging about nineteen thirty eight.
She was actively working against Nazi interests. She gathered intelligence
in Europe when she would go there on her socialite trips,
go there and you know.
Speaker 2: On behalf of what government Brazil really and probably others.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like what.
Speaker 2: European nation is like Brazil helping out, It is Portugal,
but Portugal and Spain aren't involved really No.
Speaker 1: But the other thing too is that the Nazis are
trying to get their fingers everywhere. Yeah, Argentina is the
popular one, but a lot of Nazis fled to Brazil
to No.
Speaker 2: I get that, but she's doing anti Nazi Yeah, so
who's she working for?
Speaker 1: Uh? Who? I don't know. I didn't look it up.
Speaker 2: France, like England.
Speaker 1: I assumed it was Brazil, but maybe it's so, maybe
it's someone else.
Speaker 2: Because it seems like Brazil would be a Nazi sympathetic.
Speaker 1: Uh not necessarily the case from what I recall. H
let's see who she was it a valkyrie situation. She
was a no. She was for Brazil because Brazil was
invited to join the Axis Powers. Brazil was invited to
be with Italy and Germany and Japan. She said no,
and she got sent by the president to go look around,
to go poke around and see what was up.
Speaker 2: Sure, so she would be on or she'd be representing
on behalf of the axis. Powers.
Speaker 1: No, she was there to see what the deal was.
Speaker 2: Oh all right, just kind of feel things out there.
Speaker 1: And yeah, she get She was there to feel it out,
and she saw inside the beast and was like, oh
my fucking god, this is bad.
Speaker 2: Okay, so she starts banging Joe Junior. Yep, little pillow
talk about what Adolph's up to.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Joe Junior is like, I I went over
to Germany in nineteen thirty four and I found Adolf
Hitler quite remarkable.
Speaker 2: Seemed like a stand up guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And she's like, oh honey, hold on just second,
lo oh honey, let me tell you about what's really
going on and Joe. Then Joe was like, I all right,
that's an interesting uh data data point.
Speaker 2: Never had a femme fatale throw it back like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then she just hopped on top and was like,
I'll tell you more about it in a second. Wrote
him into the fucking ground for twenty minutes, and he's like,
I agree with everything you said. Adolf Hitler is the
worst man on it.
Speaker 2: Just total clarity. Yeah, yeah, yep, that post not clarity,
but whatever. She whispers into your ear. Yeah, yeah, I
believe that.
Speaker 1: So he also went to Spain during its civil war
and thirty nine and saw their authoritarian government and was like, oh, yeah,
I don't think this works. This seems bad. But it
was mostly the pussy that convinced them otherwise.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not how you get there, right, right,
it's as long as you do get there.
Speaker 1: He got there. He got there the best way.
Speaker 2: You don't have to show your work, Nope, you shouldn't
have to just get the answer right.
Speaker 1: And he eventually arrived at the answer. Now. There's one
other interesting wrinkle that I like that's funny to me,
which is JFK also took a europe trip right after
Joe Junior. He went to Germany in nineteen thirty nine
and was like, the Nazis seem bad. And there's some
historians who think that Joe Junior, not wanting to be
to lose an argument to his brother, essentially had to
pick the other side. No, no, no, he had to
essentially like be like he realized like his position was untenable,
and he was like, okay, I got to uh, I
gotta just say that the Nazis are bad now like
it'll change my mind.
Speaker 2: I didn't know if he was like automatically playing Devil's advocate.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no no. He essentially was like, fuck, he's
gonna I'm gonna look like a real asshole if John's
right and I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: So I'll just just play it safe here. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, he laid up. Yeah, didn't have the guts
to throw the deep ball.
Speaker 2: That's fine, dude. He was getting up in that girl's guts.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, despite being an isolationist in nineteen forty, Joe
Junior joins the US Navy in nineteen forty one. Damn
in June nineteen forty one.
Speaker 2: So pre Pearl Harbor right, who was getting ready? Who
was locked and loaded? He knew it was coming.
Speaker 1: Yep. He left his final year of Harvard Law School
to become a naval aviator, and he would go on
to bomb the absolute fuck out of the Nazis. Hell yeah.
He entered flight training and received his wings and was
commission at Ensign May fifth, nineteen forty two. In September
nineteen forty three, he went to Britain became a member
of Bomber Squadron one ten. Kennedy piloted B twenty four Liberators.
They were on anti submarine details and he served two
tours of duty during the winner of forty three forty four.
He was promoted to lieutenant on July first, nineteen forty four,
and he completed twenty five combat missions in the B
twenty four, which meant he was eligible to return.
Speaker 2: Home, and he decided not to.
Speaker 1: He stayed. He wanted to keep fighting.
Speaker 2: He wanted the VALA.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he I'm sorry. He volunteered for Operation Aphrodite.
Operation Aphrodite was the use of the Army Air Corps
B seventeen flying Fortresses and the Navy PB four y
one Liberator bombers that were converted into thrones essentially flying bombs. Sure,
and they would be deliberately crashed into their target via
radio control from an accompanying bomber because he had to
be pretty close at the time. And I think the
two reasons it is. One it was for use for
precision attacks because there were no missiles or anything. Really,
this is the only way you could like be sure
you're gonna hit something. It was mostly carpet bombing and
stuff like that. Back then, there was like precision carpet bombing.
But still and also I think it was a bigger payload,
Like they just filled that whole fucking thing with bombs.
Yeah what I mer truck. Yeah, it was just as
much fucking dynamite as you could put into there. These
uh drone aircraft they couldn't take off safely on their
own via radio control. So here's how you had to
do this. This is what Joe Kennedy volunteered for. A
crew of two people would take the plane off, get
to two thousand feet altitude. Then they would activate the
remote control system, arm the bomb detonators, and jump out
of the plane. So you fly a bomb up into
the air, turn the bomb on, and then jump out
of it at two thousand feet.
Speaker 2: Kamakazie. But you're not committed, right right right right? Yeah,
no honor.
Speaker 1: Kama kazi without the honor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're just ghosts riding the whip dude. Right,
he wasn't even remote controlling it. He just had to
take it off and jump out. The ghost riding the whip.
You never uh fucking just threw your bike, no, absolutely,
and see how far could go without you. Okay, you
have your boys on your pegs in the back.
Speaker 1: No, no, not really. You have boys? Are some boys?
Some boys?
Speaker 2: Was it more like boarding school boys?
Speaker 1: Or don't worry about it? Okay, I went to private school.
Speaker 2: You didn't have anybody like riding on the handlebars or
on the back of the pegs.
Speaker 1: No, what any mean? My boys? That sounds choked handlebar
and your boy.
Speaker 2: That's the straightest thing you can do, is it? Yeah,
it's pretty pretty cool. Dude. You got a basket boy,
there's no basket then, yeah, sometimes you can be a
basket Were you a basketball I was never a basket boy.
Speaker 1: Okay, then it sounds like being a basketboys and I
was a basketball or brother. But you had basket boys.
Speaker 2: I never had a basket boy. I had a peg boy. Okay,
my boys got pegged.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's fair. But riding on, riding on the handlebars feminine,
riding on the pegs masculine.
Speaker 2: That's cool as yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh dude, not ride wa wa on the pegs? Yeah,
come on, just go some hoogies. Yeah, hop them up pegs.
Speaker 2: You get the chromies, you know, you take off the
air valve, replace it with like a skull or a
pair of dice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I sadly never had a bike with pegs and
I regret it to this day.
Speaker 2: Did you have a chromey? No, Dann, you weren't cool. No,
you were chill, dude.
Speaker 1: We're a little big bike riders in my neighborhood.
Speaker 2: I mean, when did you start hanging out with your
friends in the neighborhood?
Speaker 1: They all live within walking distance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like we'd ride our bikes in like third
or fourth grade.
Speaker 1: Noah. I mean we sometimes, but we mostly just walk
each other houses and you know, fuck around.
Speaker 2: We walked to chose stuff, yeah for sure. Yeah, that's
how you get ahead in life.
Speaker 1: Yeah. None, Then we're rich enough. That's why I do
this show instead of being a congressman with the podcast.
Speaker 2: That's why you're with your basketboy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So for this mission, the Navy was involved as
well as an Army mission. Army Air Corps the name
was involved as well. On July twenty third, Lieutenant's Wilford
John Willie and Kennedy were designated as the Navy's first
Anvil flight crew his Operation Anvil for the Navy, Operation
Aphrodity for the Army. Willie was the executive officer of
a Special Air Unit one and volunteered for the mission
and pulled rank over Ensign James Simpson, who was Kennedy's
regular copilot, so Kennedy did not have his regular copilot
for this mission. On August twelfth, Kenny and his co
pilot took off with the robot aircraft and it was
loaded with nine with twenty one pounds of torpex explosive.
Speaker 2: I think I know where the story's going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they were gonna bomb a V three rocket
development site with it. As planned. They took off and
the b Q eight, which is what the converted plane
was called, made its first remote controlled turn. So all
they had to do was take it off and then
it starts getting remote controlled.
Speaker 2: More or less you have to eject.
Speaker 1: Yeah, took its first remote controlled turn at two thousand
feet and they were like, all right, everything is fine,
So they pulled the safety pin. Willie and Kennedy did
armed the explosive pass package, and Kennedy radioed the agreed
code to the other planes. Spade flush, spade flush, His
last known words, spade flash.
Speaker 2: They weren't so flush, were they.
Speaker 1: Two minutes later and well before planned crew bailout perhaps
two flush the explosives on the plane detonated prettymaturely, heraped
out pretty much liquefying Kennedy and Willie, Oh.
Speaker 2: You hate to see it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. According to the report, the explosion was so big
that other planes following it were damaged and fifty nine
buildings were damaged in a nearby coastal town.
Speaker 2: Operator air Yeah, or was it just kind of like
one of the things that happens.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I'm gonna toss a little conspiracy in here.
You got taken out, Toss a little conspiracy in here.
I believe the unit, or one of the units involved,
was under the command of Colonel Elliott Roosevelt, son of
Franklin Delano Roosevelt related. Just gonna leave that out there,
Just gonna leave that out there. He was aboard one
of the tailing aircraft.
Speaker 2: More connecting dots.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The drone operations were polots for a month while
equipment was re evaluated and modified. Although the Navy was
no longer involved, the Navy did an informal board of
review on the event and they discussed a number of
theories they swept under the rug. They discounted they do
not think there was crew error, so they do not
think Kennedy are really fucked up.
Speaker 2: Okay, so point in perhaps your conspiracy.
Speaker 1: It is suspected that what caused it was either jamming
or a stray signal. So like, do you play laser
tag as a kid?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was, I mean nobody deal, but like one
of the one of them ones, like the ones you
put on. I was one of them one Okay, not like.
Speaker 1: In the arcade, but like in the yard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was the fucking man, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And sometimes those things would just go off if someone
was like clicking their car open or uh, you know,
you walk in front of a window while someone was
changing the channel on their TV cross streams and that
you'd get shot. You'd go wow, and you'd be what
the fuck I didn't get shot? And then you'd be like, hey, guys,
I gotta I got a straight hit. It's not real.
I'm gonna reset and set to the amount of shots
I have.
Speaker 2: Can't do that with this though.
Speaker 1: No, it's the one and done with the plane full
of dynamite.
Speaker 2: Maybe we should teach kids, you know, proper consequences like that.
Speaker 1: Though, But Dan who sent the signal.
Speaker 2: Could have been anyone who.
Speaker 1: Sent the signal. An electronics officer Earl Olsen, on the
other hand, said he believed the wiring harness had a
design defect, and he warned Kennedy the day before the mission.
He was like, I this is not good electronic This
is not good electrician work. This is there's bad wiring.
I would uh, I don't know if I would do
it if I was you. Yeah, And Kennedy was like,
I am a hero and shut the fuck up. I
went to shout, where'd you go? You have a rich man,
you have a rich boy? Suck yeah, cock, Oh yeah,
I don't think so, I'm getting that plaid. I'm president,
and I say it's he'll be a Janita. And anyway
he turned to soup a day later.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was nothing left of him.
Speaker 1: No, no, there's nothing to bury at all over water,
at least over land because the whole point's gotta parachute out. Yeah.
So they bail when they're still over land.
Speaker 2: Okay, so yeah, he's spread all over Oh yeah, yeah, he.
Speaker 1: Had his He was immediately cremated and had his ashes spread.
Speaker 2: A little bit of a silver line in there, right,
you know, let me save some money on the funeral.
Speaker 1: I think they still had a funeral.
Speaker 2: Don't know what what what do you what are you
paying them for? Empty suit, empty empty urn?
Speaker 1: Yeah, empty coffin. I don't know what they buried. But yeah,
that is the story of the man who should have been,
probably would have been the first Catholic president of the
United States of America, the original Prince of Camelot.
Speaker 2: So FDR took him out.
Speaker 1: Look, I'm just saying it's FDR.
Speaker 2: Knew about Pearl Harbor, and FDR took out the Kennedy.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying.
Speaker 2: Started the curse.
Speaker 1: Really, it's interesting that old Eliot was there.
Speaker 2: I bet Eleanor two was doing fucking weird voodoo stuff.
She was in like sex colts and shit.
Speaker 1: She probably bagging his mom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she was definitely doing some demonic type rituals.
Speaker 1: I mean, go listen to Information Warfare to find out, yeah,
all about what Eleanor Roosevelt.
Speaker 2: Was up to.
Speaker 1: She's up to some bad things, bad bad things. Information
Warfare alex Jonsson, Alexander Jonsson, I'm sorry, he knew what
he was talking about.
Speaker 2: He was ahead of his time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I highly recommend listening to it on the Patreon
New FDR was paralyzed yep, long before everyone else did.
Speaker 2: Nobody knew except him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just pick me slaves that moved his feet
for him news he.
Speaker 2: Knew the truth. Yeah, it's like one of my favorite
sketches we've done somehow, just off the cuff.
Speaker 1: It's because you were involved. When you get to be
a part of it, you're like, I love that one. Well, well,
we also Spitball, another great one that we're gonna do soon. Right,
she'll be uh should we tease it? Uh? I could
give you like a working title, sure, three hundred the
early Years.
Speaker 2: Yeah you can.
Speaker 1: You can let your mind play with that for a while.
Speaker 2: We're going to ancient Sparta.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you can figure out with that. So check
it out.
Speaker 2: Pictureon dot com slash software history.
Speaker 1: But that's that's all I got for today. What'd you learn?
Speaker 2: I learned that Kennedy and the Roosevelts had fucking beef.
Speaker 1: They did, they legit did because Joe Junior didn't get
the important position he wanted. I don't know what he wanted.
I didn't look that up, but ambassador is kind of
a kid table situation, even to a country as important
as the UK. It's kind of a whatever situation where
you sound important. Normy's will think you're important, but you
know that you don't really do shit.
Speaker 2: We were also robbed of Joe perhaps turning this country around. Pathetic.
You know, we could have prevented so many things.
Speaker 1: But when does he run? Because he would have been
too young to run against Truman, and then JFK went
right after, so he would have probably been on the
same timeline as JFK. He would have run after Eisenhower Hower.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so he cuts his brother.
Speaker 1: He would have. I think he would have been old
enough to run against Eisenhower.
Speaker 2: But why would you That's a losing ticket.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no fucking way.
Speaker 2: I think you just delay JFK. He doesn't die, right
like JFK doesn't get assassinated.
Speaker 1: No, JFK is lives a full, disgusting life if he doesn't.
If Joe Junior doesn't die, JFK doesn't you.
Speaker 2: We perhaps, you know, don't get involved in Vietnam.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know how Joe Junior would have played out.
Speaker 2: Maybe he's the one that gets fucking domed in down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Joe Junior was always gonna get killed.
Speaker 2: And then sir answer and takes out fucking you know.
Speaker 1: John, But it would have been by But then Bobby's
like just Scott free. Then I guess, well he still
would have drowned a lady that nothing could have prevented that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just driving off a bridge.
Speaker 1: But Bobby would have been even lower.
Speaker 2: Say that town?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: How do you say that town again? Chap equittic, chapiquidtic.
Speaker 1: That one I somehow can do, just because I've heard
it so much.
Speaker 2: But yeah, okay, who's Today's I'll never get that. It's fine,
it's too many syllables, chap aquittic. Today's Hitler is probably,
I'm gonna say, Joe pre Brazilian.
Speaker 1: Puss, nineteen year old Joe. Yeah, it's today's Hitler.
Speaker 2: Just edged Lord Joe. Oh yeah, college Joe.
Speaker 1: I gotta say, uh, it was nice not seeing mongoloid's
running all over town like back in Boston.
Speaker 2: You know, I'll go into time though. You know, Eugenics
was hot in the streets.
Speaker 1: It really was. It really was.
Speaker 2: You can't call people for getting aboard the hype train.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, hold up a deck of Fenway pack gass him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he definitely saw Boston for sports fans as like lesser.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I went to one Bruins game, but definitely the
Bruins fans never never again, never again, locked the doors
and burn it down?
Speaker 1: Hockey? Is the accent coming? Is it working now a
little bit? I mean you just gotta have the confidence. Yeah,
it doesn't matter y Yeah, locked the doors and burn
it down. Cannot let a single Boston Bruins fan live
their lives.
Speaker 2: It's hell. Yeah, I learned a lot.
Speaker 1: Though people don't know a lot about Joe Junior. It's
really just like he was supposed to be president. It's
a fun one. If died in a bomber, it's just
a fun what if. Yeah, it is. And also his
letter from Germany's fun. Not the best postcard.
Speaker 2: You know, we all have some things we regret.
Speaker 1: I just like that his face, his like cringe Facebook
status is immortalized. You know, I got nothing against the Jews,
but uh, you know, they had to pick somebody, and
I suppose it was the old sons of Abraham over
in Germany.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, at least he saw the light finally after
he got you know, some some baddie from South America.
Speaker 1: She's today's Churchill of the story.
Speaker 2: I don't know if we can make Churchill thing.
Speaker 1: She's the good guy of the story.
Speaker 2: I don't know Churchill a good guy.
Speaker 1: The only reason it's Churchill is because the one I know,
the one historian was he's a bad guy. It's like,
I don't know if that's true. Not a great guy,
but not the bad guy of that story.
Speaker 2: But yeah, dude, she's a She was, she was something
especially for the time. Oh my god, the great looking gal.
Speaker 1: Absolutely to me, she fucked the Nazi out of Joe Junior.
Oh yeah, while looking like.
Speaker 2: A Nazi fucking call him Winnie the Pooh, Because I'd
be all up in that honeypot.
Speaker 1: About to oh bother this bitch.
Speaker 2: Yeah mobile And just like when I wouldn't be taking
my shirt off right, wouldn't even want to waste the
time when I want, well, i'd get right to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a sort of a bent over the table,
pants around the ankles situation. Just can't waste a second.
The veteran's too far away.
Speaker 2: Well became of her.
Speaker 1: She lived a long, happy life from what I saw.
She died, and I think, like I might have said,
like two thousand and five or something like that, sick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was good to go, just someone's grandma. She
was a rich lady, like she was a socialite.
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't she wasn't just some like random personal spot. Yeah,
that's a good person, make a spot, you travel. It's
not weird that you would travel to those places, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean they do that in
Ingloria's Bastards.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Literally, yeah, it's the same type of thing. But yeah,
that's all I got for today. That's the story of
the man who should have been the first Catholic president,
Joe Juniah.
Speaker 2: We'll never know what would have happened.
Speaker 1: And by the way, you can't. I know Al Smith
was the first person to run as a Catholic, but
he was never aware he shouldn't have been the first.
He wouldn't have been the first.
Speaker 2: Even I should question he didn't have that charisma.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't have that.
Speaker 2: Riz wasn't you know talking up his older sister's friends.
Speaker 1: Nope, no older sisters Ral Smith that I'm aware of.
He might actually have several.
Speaker 2: I have no idea whatever he did he utilized it well.
Speaker 1: Nope, none. But yeah, it's all I got for today.
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