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Speaker 1: You am now listening to soft core history. What is up?

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Welcome back to softcore History.

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Speaker 2: I am your host for the week, Rob Fox, joined

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as always by Dan Rejester.

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Speaker 1: Rob.

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Speaker 2: I'm so shaken, shaken. I'm shook.

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Speaker 1: Why you shook?

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Speaker 2: I was a victim of a hate crime today. What

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happened at the Saint Louis Airport. Yeah, it's a great airport,

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one of the worst world class. God, so it's a

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horrific airport. I get so fucking angry every time I

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have to fly home. I didn't know this, I didn't

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choose this, but apparently sassy old black ladies that wear

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COVID masks see my face and just hate me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I mean, I wouldn't have guessed it, but

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it doesn't surprise me.

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Speaker 2: Two of them, two of them came for your boy,

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uh in line at the check encounter and then in TSA.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And by the way, every single person almost that

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works like TSA and airport counters and TSA pre check

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and clear, all of them that work at the single

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as airport sassy black ladies. Yes, like it is a

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legion of sassy black ladies just giving me the business.

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And the one four Yeah, what'd you do? How did

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you provoke them? What were you wearing?

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Speaker 2: I think my face? Yeah, really probably, I think I

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have the look of somebody that perhaps got pardoned by

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a certain president, and thus they took out their anger

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on me.

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Speaker 1: You're right, right, right, right right. I don't think they

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care about that though. I think they just I think

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that's too high level. I think they're more just like,

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I ain't dealing with any fucking white boys with beards today.

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Speaker 2: I didn't say anything.

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Speaker 1: They provoked. You didn't have to, look I was.

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Speaker 2: I was asking for you.

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Speaker 1: Look in your eye. You still have an answer. What

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you were wearing?

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Speaker 2: Just my normal T shirt and Lulu Lemon shorts.

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Speaker 1: That'll do it. It's Lulu. It was the Lulu that

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did it.

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Speaker 2: That might be it. Yeah, Like, look at this white

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boy with his short shorts. Who the fuck he think

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he is showing thigh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's too much thigh. Maybe they were nagging you,

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they liked you.

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Speaker 2: They're trying to take my like six hundred dollars.

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Speaker 1: Batteries as oh man, that's probably why they were pissed

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that you had like real ship you were packing and

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they were like, what the fuck is this like theresuld

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be a duffel bag full of clothes. I don't know

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what is this fucking bag? Like the pelican. K it

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was like a fucking pelican to me.

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Speaker 2: I mean you pretty much know that. Yeah, that was

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our interaction. She's like, I'm gonna call my supervisor. I'm like,

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he's gonna say it's okay. Yeah, sure enough. He said

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it was okay immediately gave me like within ten seconds.

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You're like, fuck, lady also overcharged me for my bag

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for Southwest, which bags no longer fly free.

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Speaker 1: Bags do not fly free on Southwest no longer.

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Speaker 2: That's true.

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Speaker 1: That was lasted for a while. There was really almost

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no reason to fly Southwest anymore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because you don't get to pick your seat. You

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have to check make sure you check in early. Yeah,

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thankfully the fight back, there's like twenty five percent of

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the plane that was it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's sick. That's glorious.

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Speaker 2: There's a six am flight after Simmer Smash. Yeah, shut us.

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The first form did have a good time. It was

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a good time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm happy for you. Now, did you get to

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eat any Emo's pizza while you're in Saint Louis and

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Saint Louis. I passed, I passed. I gotta get you

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back there and shove it down your gullet.

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Speaker 2: You know, I really have any plans of going back

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to Saint Louis.

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Speaker 1: I can't physically overpower you, but that wouldn't be actually

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as fun. I'd rather watch you awake but paralyzed as

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I put you like, I'll have to like give you

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some sort of agent poison your drink.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then.

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Speaker 1: As you.

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Speaker 2: Sit there paralyzed but awake, and I just put shoved down.

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My goal is a square of pizza in your mouth

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to chew for you, that little cracker with provolone, provel whatever,

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it's a different cheese, provolone. They're both not meant to

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be on pizza asinine, take correct, take you don't even

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like cheese.

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Speaker 1: What do you know? I like pizza? Cheese hater.

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Speaker 2: We're not getting into this, Yeah, we can't, We can't.

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Speaker 1: Today, we already lost Jack.

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Speaker 2: Jack's already skipped like thirty minutes ahead to get to

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the topic. Yeah, sorry Jack, Sorry Jack, We're ruining your steam.

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All right, We'll get into the topic. You just came

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from one of the great Irish Catholic cities in America.

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So today we're talking about one of the great the

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greatest Irish Catholic family in America. Really going back to

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that well Kennedy's hell yeah, but there's one what we

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haven't hit.

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Speaker 1: There's one shaft we haven't gone down, Robert. No, no, no, no, no,

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well we probably haven't, but we've.

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Speaker 2: Done Sir Han, Sir Han, Yeah, certainly.

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Speaker 1: Uh, today we're talking about the son. Most listeners know

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who this son is because you guys like history and

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stuff like that. But he doesn't get talked about a

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lot because he was the first victim of the Kennedy curse.

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Speaker 2: Which son Joe Junior.

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Speaker 1: Joe Junior, the eldest Kennedy, the heir to the throne. Yeah,

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the prince, the true prince.

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Speaker 2: That was not promised.

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Speaker 1: He was promised, but he, like Jeb Bush. People forget

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this about Jeb Bush, was the one originally destined to

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be the president from that generation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. It wasn't George, it.

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Speaker 1: Was not w. It was not w. It was Jeb.

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But I think a lot of what fucked Jeb was

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that he.

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Speaker 2: Married late at the time.

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Speaker 1: I think that was kind of what like kneecapped.

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Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, I'm kind of cool with the Hispanics.

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Speaker 1: He's like, I'm in love. Is that a problem? And

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everyone's like, yeah, that's a kind of fucking problem that

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is that's just not gonna pull for us yet. Yeah,

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that's not gonna work at all. Love yuck, love gross

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not to do like mime it to death. But it's

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very much like the practice, like practice, we're talking about practice.

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Speaker 2: But he is, you know, the Florida guy. Yeah, it

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kind of checks out if that's how you win Florida. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Is there urnaments on Florida governors? I don't know, I

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don't remember.

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Speaker 2: I believe so there certainly isn't.

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Speaker 1: In Texas, No, there is not. In Texas. We got

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a king Lena Say he could have he could have

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been governor of Florida in perpetuity.

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Speaker 2: And actually the most powerful man in Texas is the

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Lieutenant Governor, Danny Danny Patrick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the he's the worker.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he gets the control really everything. He kind of

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sets things in motion.

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Speaker 1: He's the one making all the moves. Oh, Greg just

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signs things. But yeah, like Jeb Joe Kennedy was the

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original Joe Junior was the original Prince of the Kennedy family,

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the one destined to be president, but he died in

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World War Two, and John that what happened. JFK became

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the new prince. But how much do we know about

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about Joe? You really just say, Oh, Joe was the one.

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He died in World War Two. He was a bomber pilot.

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Sad end of story. Now today we're getting into Joe. However,

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we're getting into Joe today.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about him.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about Joey today because he lived a short

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but interesting life and I'm I enjoyed researching it. There's

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not a lot, but just because like he didn't live

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very long. I think he was twenty maybe twenty nine

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when he died.

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Speaker 2: But you know he uh do have details on the death,

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Oh a lot? Yeah, I got it.

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Speaker 1: I got that.

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Speaker 2: I got that. Like his last words, I literally have

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his last words, sick, well, his last recorded words, as in, like,

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I don't know if he said something after he was

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on the radio, like.

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Speaker 1: Ah, fuck you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Fuck th shot me? What the hell?

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Speaker 1: Goddamn it that's probably what it was, because that's the

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only Kennedy thing, goddamn it. But Kennedy Joe Junior was

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born July twenty fifth, nineteen fifteen, at a summer renal

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cottage in Nanta Tesseck Nantaskett, Nantaskett, Massachusetts, Whole Massachusetts. I'm sorry,

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Nantasket Beach in Whole Massachusetts, and it's okay.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to pronounce anything from Massachusetts correct.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. It's an outrageous state full of outrageous names.

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But you know, he lived the childhood that a normal

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rich kid, like hyper rich kid would live. He attended

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the Dexter School in Brookline, Massachusetts, so did John. In

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nineteen thirty three, Kennedy graduated from Choate.

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Speaker 2: You're just saying things right now.

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Speaker 1: You don't know Choate. You're an East Coast guy.

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Speaker 2: Don't know Choke.

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Speaker 1: You don't know what Dexter School is. You don't know

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anyone you've know heard you actually really haven't heard a Choate.

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Speaker 2: No, what the fuck is Choke.

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Speaker 1: It's like the most prestigious boarding school high school in

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the country.

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Speaker 2: They have a good lax team.

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Speaker 1: I'm certain they have a good lax team. Okay, I

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don't know. I don't know, but I've never been more

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certain of anything about lacrosse than choate having a good

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lacrosse team, just.

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Speaker 2: A bunch of boys being sent far away from home

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throwing a ball against the wall over and over again.

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Speaker 1: Gotta assume per capita. One of the leading gay experience

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gay first time experience places on the continental United States.

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Speaker 2: What better time than boarding school? Right, Nobody else is around.

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It's like prison. So it's not even gay.

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Speaker 1: It's it's not it's not you gay. I'm boarding school gay.

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Speaker 2: It's like I had no other options fifteen, I'm hitting puberty.

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Speaker 1: I'm fifteen, and masturbating nine times.

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Speaker 2: A day is the only holes around. I'm that gay. Like, actually,

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not fucking a guy in boarding school is kind of gay.

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It's kind of gay. Yeah, it's like, oh, you're abstinent, bitch,

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cold dude. Come on, man, you don't get butt pussy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Smith is giving it up in room twelve. Dude, he

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drank a whole fucking fit the JMI and he is

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just giving it up.

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Speaker 1: Let's go.

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Speaker 2: You find the rich kid, he blows you, You blackmail him.

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Speaker 1: Next thing you know, you're Senator Kennedy.

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Speaker 2: That's how it I operated, That's how it worked.

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Speaker 1: People don't want to talk about what you to do

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behind the scenes to get powerful. But it's getting the

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richest kid, you know to blow you at boarding school

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in joke.

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Speaker 2: It's not just women getting a head that way.

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Speaker 1: No, nor should it be.

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Speaker 2: I mean, think about the airport in Minnesota where you

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double tap in the stall.

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Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's getting a head there. A head there.

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Speaker 2: They're getting head, yeah, certainly, but not ahead.

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Speaker 1: In fact, if anything, you're very very behind. If you're

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getting blown into Minneapolis.

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Speaker 2: Airport stall, well yeah, they're definitely taking it from behind.

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Speaker 1: No, I mean you're just well, yes, baby.

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Speaker 2: Got a But also, why do you want power of Minnesota?

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Speaker 1: Do impromptu anal like that? I feel like that's just

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not a thing. It's got to be.

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Speaker 2: It seems like you need to prep.

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Speaker 1: There's gotta be just a nightmare.

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Speaker 2: You're not just gonna spit on it.

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Speaker 1: You can't. I know, you can't just go in. I've

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had anal sex like it's nothing. How that works?

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Speaker 2: Not for me? I don't like it is not a fan.

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Speaker 1: Not a fan. Vagina's more than enough.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the autobond's literally right next to a neighborhood full

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of speed bumps.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you really want to take a country road. No thanks,

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you get the interstate right there.

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Speaker 2: Now, I'm going to fifty than that Cherman Highway. And

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by the way, that highway is made to go to fifty, Yeah,

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like it is where the other highway is truly.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can speed, but someone's gonna get hurt.

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Speaker 2: You're flying through the windshield.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's gonna be a bad accident if you speed

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on that road.

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Speaker 2: You're never recovering.

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Speaker 1: Man, this metaphor works a lot better than I thought

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it was going to. Yeah, it really, it's just a

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back road versus versus the highway. Yeah. So, as the

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firstborn Joe Junior, he was described as a you know,

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typical firstborn rich kids, self assured, out going From a

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very young age, he allegedly inherited his father's charm and

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his mother's poise. He was a natural leader among his siblings.

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Biographies of the Kennedys portray him as magnetic, commanded attention

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in every room he went in.

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Speaker 2: A Kennedy no way, Yeah, I know, right, that seems

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like a nightmare, like like the type of thing where

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like if you're in a room full of funny people

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and everyone's trying to one up each other and any

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reasonable person just wants to kill themselves and leave. That's

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just hanging out with comedians. Yeah, fuck that just one

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up in each other. No, thank you.

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Speaker 1: It's funny that comedians like look fondly upon that like

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that just it just means like you're not exhausting having

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a normal conversation.

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Speaker 2: But can you imagine if sprinters imagine being the Kennedy

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though that doesn't have the aura.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be the daughter. But then she had her

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aura taken from her.

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Speaker 2: Well, sometimes you got an aura farm so it doesn't

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get taken away from you.

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Speaker 1: It was a farmed, but it all went straight to

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the dumpster. No one harvested it, no no one fed

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on it. He was just thrown away. So Joe Junior,

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great athlete, this is I suppose, prelax. But at choate

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he uh was known for being a great football player,

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great sailor really good at sailing races like single sailboat races.

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Actually JFK.

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Speaker 2: My dad actually when he was sixteen was a part

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of like this sailing kind of like race I think

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down the Caribbean. Yeah, and he crashed the boat sick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why you watch those things for the any

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race is.

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Speaker 2: For a crash. I don't he was, you know, a

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promising young sailor.

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Speaker 1: Oh do you get injured?

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Speaker 2: He cost his team?

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Speaker 1: Oh he just got blackballed. He crashed the boat.

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Speaker 2: I think you, yeah, I think you just like no

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longer have a future in the sport. But the water

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still called to him, and he remained a water man.

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Speaker 1: He could never get far away from the water. Now, yeah,

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it's in the blood.

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Speaker 2: You know. I'm supposed to be a third generation water man.

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It's all my mom asked for me not to be.

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We know, Yeah, could have been a.

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Speaker 1: Water man, is your mom. There's just like kitchen table

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conversations while you're a baby.

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Speaker 4: I don't want this life for Daniel. I was a

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water man, but daddy was a water man. Here, daddy

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was a water man. Danny's gonna be a water man.

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I want my boy to go to college, college, and

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you were to send him to boarding school. You gonna

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suck some man's dick.

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Speaker 2: Have a rich boy blow him so he could be

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a politician like your grandfather.

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Speaker 1: Go to jail. It'll be a water man.

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Speaker 2: It's honest. This is I mean, probably how the conversation went. Yeah,

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I had to be from the South though, I can't

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do Philly.

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Speaker 1: So they were all it was a little.

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Speaker 2: Yo, yeah, bi yo, you need he needs to be

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a waterman, bro water man.

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Speaker 1: No, he's gotta go to college.

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Speaker 2: No, No, it's it's just kind of like you're complaining

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the wh time in that. Yeah. Yeah, it just gets

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some haggis down a wall.

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Speaker 1: Wall. But that happened, and then they were like, well,

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what what's your sister's name, Taylor? What about Taylor?

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Speaker 2: I don't care. I don't care more or less. Granted

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I could do whatever I wanted. She wasn't really allowed

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to go out too much.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's yeah, that's kind of the same thing.

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Speaker 2: That's male privilege.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Dan, you go out, you get it, you get

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a chick pregnant. Honestly, if you got a chick pregnant,

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your dad was probably into that because it would have

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got you into the water business for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what it would have me?

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Speaker 2: Certainly?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you would have had no choice, but guessing job.

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You're like Jake gilling Hall in October Sky. You just

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go work the mines with your dad, drop out of high.

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Speaker 2: School, simple life. Yeah, good life.

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Speaker 1: You could have gone to work the water mine.

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Speaker 2: Breathing chemicals forty years. I have to get a lung

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transplant like my old man. Could have could have been

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a great life.

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Speaker 1: Could have been great. I can guarantee you were never

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gonna suck a dick at choke.

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Speaker 2: No, not that you wouldn't. I mean I it was

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never on the table to begin with.

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Speaker 1: You couldn't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't going to choke regardless.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't a wooden and it was a couldn't.

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Speaker 2: I could have gone to Malvern Prepp. I think that

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was an option, but I don't. I don't know how

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they get down there. Certainly it's not Saint Joe. San

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Jose keeps winning state championships in football, But.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Saint Joe's.

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Speaker 2: Yea powerhouse.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, he was a great football player at Choate,

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Joe Junior was. He was super competitive, especially with his siblings.

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He had a intense sibling rivalry with John, who was

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less physically strong than him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I kind of wish I had a brother. I

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feel like I missed out on that. Yeah it's fine, Yeah,

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but I feel like you get to like practice the

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art of ball busting. You do certainly you're always on

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your fucking toes.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's no different than being on a sports

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team or being in a fraternity, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can't escape it. You go go home

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and you're still dealing with it.

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Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, it's a good aspect, that's fair.

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I don't like it anymore.

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Speaker 2: Like I'm just like, like you were in the trenches,

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yeah with it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're especially Yeah when you're when you have brothers

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and you're a guy or girl, you are just raised

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in a way you grow not even raise, you grow

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up in a way where you are just head on

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a swivel. Ya.

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Speaker 2: Having a sister doesn't really feel the same way, especially

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by the way she insults me.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, especially because it's a younger sister.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, I'm not gonna take it seriously.

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Speaker 1: The only the only useful sister is an older sister.

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Speaker 2: Not even well maybe to buy your booze.

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Speaker 1: No, And I feel like you understand women better if

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you have an older sister.

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Speaker 2: And then you could always hit on like their friends.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hot friends.

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Speaker 2: Especially when you're younger, you're like twelve thirteen, your sister's

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like seventeen eighteen, you kind of develop, but yeah, I

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think that's how you develop RIZ.

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Speaker 1: Actually it is. I'm saying pet guys are older sisters

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full of riz. Oh yeah, absolute riz city.

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Speaker 2: Because it's essentially just like shameless. Yeah, like you just

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fire it will Who cares if you fail?

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Speaker 1: You're twelve, it doesn't matter. You are essentially a twelve

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year old in a batting cage now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're just getting reps. Yeah. And you know the

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older ladies, you make them laugh.

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Speaker 1: If you can make an older lady laugh, you can

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make an older girl laugh, not older lady, but an

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older girl laugh. If you're twelve and you're cracking up

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a sixteen year.

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Speaker 2: Old chick, dude, you're gonna be a poon hound.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna a You're gonna beat off to that for months.

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Speaker 2: You're a problem. Yeah, God forbid you actually pull it off. Yeah,

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oh wow, you do that after they get divorced. Then

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you just ruin your sister's friendships.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you're like, man, you weren't as hot

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as I remember, but I still gotta do this for twelve.

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Speaker 2: And it's also way colder than like hitting on your

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sister who's younger's friends.

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Speaker 1: You're seventeen and a thirteen year old.

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Speaker 2: Not quite the same dynamic. No, you come, I'm off

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a little bit of a as a predator, you know.

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Speaker 1: And in fact it makes that makes you more rizless

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because they'll laugh at anything because you're the old you

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know what I mean. The same way you think that

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the older sister's friends are super cool no matter what

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they're actually like, unless they're like absolute monsters. Uh. It's

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the same way with the thirteen year old girl and

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the brother. Unless again, lest the brother is like a fat.

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Speaker 2: Like like they'll be like, oh hi Dan, No, they're

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not like that other than ever, No, and you just

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come off creepy. But always aim older when you're younger.

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Speaker 1: Uh what does younger mean? Like we're just talking about okay, yeah, yeah,

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well yeah, if you're twelve, don't aim for fucking fourth grade.

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Speaker 2: No. But I'm saying, like, it's just it's always a

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better situation when your sister's older than younger.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree. I think that's the useful type

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of sister. So U Joe Junior and JFK super competitive

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big sibling rivalry. Joe Junior usually obliterated JFK in everything,

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like physical wise, because JFK had health issues growing up

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and Joe was like the fucking athlete. Although JFK did

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beat him in a race one time, in like a

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sailing race at their one of their vacation homes, and

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apparently Joe Junior just had like a fucking meltdown over it.

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Speaker 2: It's a race, dude, with a boat. It's not like

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a foot race. Skill though, totally control that kind of

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stakes skill. He didn't skill, but also there's other factors

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that are out of your control.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but they were especially rivals him and a JFK

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because they were close in age but very different in personality.

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I guess Joe Junior was assertive, a robust guy. JFK

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was more witty and introspective and obviously more physically frail

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than Joe. But they often like rough house and stuff

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like that. Even though Joe Junior was the undisputed golden

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child of the family, he would sometimes get jealous because

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JFK was a lot wittier than him and probably a

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little smarter than him at least two.

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Speaker 2: So Joe is a meathead.

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Speaker 1: Joe's I mean, he wasn't like stupid, but he was

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way more of a meathead than JFK. JFK was way

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more of like a witty, clever guy, and that would

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piss him off sometimes because he was like the one

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everyone adored. But then JFK would be like getting laughs

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on the side, which explains a lot about JFK. Never

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expected to be there, so he's always just like getting

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laughs and charming ladies and didn't really care. Like he's

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the second one. He doesn't think he's gonna be anything.

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Mm hmm, So he's just gonna have fun. Maybe I'll

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be a congressman at some point, but Joe will be

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president and I can just I will thought wholes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, super witty like JFKY. Great impression.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you appreciate that. I wish I could do it.

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I wish I could do a Kennedy about the mileage

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I would get.

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Speaker 2: Really, it's the confidence you have, confidence and everything else.

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Speaker 1: I know what I can't do, or you're holding yourself back.

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Maybe let it let rip, baby, let it rip. Jimmy's

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00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:24,799
a lot of confidence. Jaz it's a it's I hit.

468
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,839
I hit the mic with that one, and I don't

469
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:27,480
Can you.

470
00:23:27,559 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 2: Just like not do a Massachusetts accent. Really what, No,

471
00:23:30,279 --> 00:23:33,359
I can't, Yeah, pack you Yeah, I can't. Yeah, but

472
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,319
you can do an English accent and you can do

473
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,480
an Irish accent. Yeah, it's like a cousin to that.

474
00:23:38,599 --> 00:23:41,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's it's weird. Yeah, but it's like a swampy

475
00:23:42,319 --> 00:23:44,680
slop cousin fucking thigh.

476
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,400
Speaker 2: If it itus, yeah, I just go. I immediately go

477
00:23:47,519 --> 00:23:49,839
the potted go. Yeah, you have to go, damn it.

478
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,759
Speaker 1: But what's funny is like they even in that movie.

479
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,000
I listen to those accents and I'm like, I think

480
00:23:55,039 --> 00:23:59,119
they're nailing it, but it almost does sound really fucking fake. No,

481
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,279
but people do so like that, I know, which is like, yeah,

482
00:24:02,319 --> 00:24:03,319
I know, which is weird.

483
00:24:04,519 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 2: If there's one place we need to go, it's Fenway. Yeah,

484
00:24:08,599 --> 00:24:10,400
well really, now down the accent when we're there.

485
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll just observe. I won't speak the entire time. No,

486
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,960
got to sit in the fucking cheapest seats in the house.

487
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,519
Speaker 2: And then like code switch into a Boston Yeah, person.

488
00:24:19,279 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 1: Like Leo in The Departed code switching when he's.

489
00:24:22,839 --> 00:24:24,599
Speaker 2: From in Southea has a different accent.

490
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,319
Speaker 1: Yeah. I bet you the shore. I bet you had

491
00:24:27,319 --> 00:24:30,319
two different accents. Didn't you a little flack? I can't

492
00:24:30,319 --> 00:24:39,079
do it anyway. Joe Junior's father, Joe Senior, believed steadfastly

493
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,599
this was his goal for his son from birth, that

494
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,960
he would be the first Catholic president of the United States.

495
00:24:47,559 --> 00:24:55,440
When Joe Junior was born, his maternal grandfather, John F. Fitzgerald,

496
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,440
who was the mayor of Boston at the time, UH

497
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:04,240
told reporters, quote, this child is the future president of

498
00:25:04,279 --> 00:25:08,640
the nation. From his birth. They were like, he's gonna

499
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:09,519
be fucking president.

500
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then kind of dig into it and see

501
00:25:14,839 --> 00:25:19,079
the families that have kind of controlled the highest office

502
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,920
for the last I don't know, one hundred years. The pierces,

503
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:23,759
the bushes.

504
00:25:24,559 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 1: You know what's funny though, those the Clintons are in

505
00:25:27,279 --> 00:25:30,240
there sort of and they're white trash.

506
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 2: But not really like Bill's kind of got some Hollywood connections. Now,

507
00:25:35,799 --> 00:25:38,880
he grew up white trash, he did, but he also

508
00:25:39,559 --> 00:25:40,559
was maybe.

509
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: The Kennedys didn't grow white trash, The Bushes didn't grow

510
00:25:42,519 --> 00:25:47,559
white trash. Bill Clinton grew up actual mud person trash.

511
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:49,599
I don't know what Hillary was.

512
00:25:50,279 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 2: Sure, but he was definitely groomed to like Bill. Yeah.

513
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, at some point they're like, this guy's charming. I

514
00:26:00,759 --> 00:26:02,000
like this charming son of a bitch.

515
00:26:02,039 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 2: And he was so a lot of people say that

516
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,880
about Jade Vance as well, that he was groomed, came

517
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:08,799
from white trash.

518
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 1: Yes, he did come from perhaps.

519
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 2: Maybe wrote a whole book about being you know, has

520
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,720
some Peter Thiel connections. Yeah, we'll see, we'll see.

521
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 1: So this is real Taiwan Lanister ship from Joe Senior.

522
00:26:28,039 --> 00:26:30,240
Joe Junior was the eldest, and he was the primary

523
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,319
focus of his father's ask for Dad was dumping everything

524
00:26:33,319 --> 00:26:37,359
into Joe Junior. Obviously, obviously all the kids got an

525
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:42,400
education just like his, and all the boys got you know,

526
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,759
we're expected to be I think in the political or

527
00:26:45,839 --> 00:26:48,200
super high up business fhere, right, they were all expected

528
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,160
to be important men, but only one was expected to

529
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:57,359
be president of the fucking United States. So after high school,

530
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:02,799
after choked, Kennedy spent a year studying under the tutelage

531
00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:07,079
of Harold Laski at the London School of Economics. And

532
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,599
after that, of course, of course, he went to Harvard.

533
00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 2: Well to have it, Yad, Harvard, you get the London

534
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,160
banks in your back pocket.

535
00:27:17,279 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, m Now this is where things get interested. In

536
00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:31,000
nineteen thirty four, Joe Junior was nineteen and his dad

537
00:27:31,079 --> 00:27:33,200
was like, all right, you're gonna be president, You're gonna

538
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,000
be an important politician. We need to make you worldly.

539
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,759
You need to see the world, specifically travel abroad, Yes,

540
00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:42,640
specifically Europe.

541
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,319
Speaker 2: So a semester couple.

542
00:27:46,079 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: No, it was just like a trip backpacked.

543
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,559
Speaker 2: No, he certainly did not backupine sailed around the world.

544
00:27:53,559 --> 00:27:58,079
Speaker 1: Think like the talented mister Ripley, but he's Jude Law.

545
00:27:59,200 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 2: Never seen the movie.

546
00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 1: Oh it's a great movie. It's a rich guy in Europe. Okay,

547
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,839
So when he's nineteen, he goes to Europe the broadness horizons.

548
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,279
Joe Junior or Joe Senior. He's a prominent businessman obviously,

549
00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:13,640
and he's later the US Ambassador to the UK, which

550
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,279
we'll get to. Uh. And he was known, he had

551
00:28:16,279 --> 00:28:18,160
a ton of international connections.

552
00:28:17,759 --> 00:28:19,599
Speaker 2: Kind of has a little bit of Quincy vibes.

553
00:28:21,519 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: Who Joe, Yeah, yes, very much so. It is It

554
00:28:26,279 --> 00:28:27,200
is very much.

555
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 2: How following the John Quincy Adams Johnny.

556
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: But if you like I say this, and a lot

557
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,039
of times it's bullshit when you're like, oh, watch the

558
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:39,119
show and it'll show that, like like Rome, for example,

559
00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:41,680
is a show that shows some good things. And I

560
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,200
think the Caesar assassination scene is like I don't know

561
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,160
how accurate it is, but it gets the vibe right.

562
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,920
But there's other stuff. Obviously if you were there, would

563
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:51,640
you get a stab in?

564
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, for the history, for the history, but also like

565
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,559
he's gonna die anyway.

566
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,799
Speaker 1: What's one more stab? At that point? You didn't kill him.

567
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:06,599
Speaker 2: No, here, it's really just like kind of a just

568
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,640
a sack of potatoes. You're you're going at.

569
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: Pretty just a second meat. He was poking, sorry, but yeah, no,

570
00:29:16,599 --> 00:29:18,680
he is very much a jqua. I mean in the

571
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,039
show John Adams was gonna say, is they illustrate that

572
00:29:22,119 --> 00:29:24,119
very much Like John Quincy at one point as a

573
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,240
child is like Papa, I like farming, I want a farm,

574
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,839
and John Adams is like farming.

575
00:29:29,559 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 2: A noble profession. They're are going on the earth law.

576
00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:37,359
Speaker 1: He's like like like sorting manure, and he's like, but

577
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,640
it'll be the law for you. And politics and all

578
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,920
this shit. And that's Joe Junior. Born to be a politician,

579
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,720
born to do the things his dad couldn't. His dad's

580
00:29:46,759 --> 00:29:50,119
kind of a stage dad. His dad was important and

581
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,359
he was a big businessman, but it was you know,

582
00:29:53,119 --> 00:29:54,960
it wasn't the time to have a Catholic that high up.

583
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:56,440
Couldn't do it yet.

584
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:03,559
Speaker 2: Was his dad and in trying to remove FDR from office.

585
00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, we'll get to that. Okay, we will get

586
00:30:06,039 --> 00:30:10,119
to that, but yes, kind of Uh. He was not

587
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,440
part of the business plot that I'm aware of. That

588
00:30:13,519 --> 00:30:15,880
I'm aware of, but I didn't look into his dad

589
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,839
very much. So his dad has had a huge interest

590
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,319
in like global affairs. He's a ton of international connections.

591
00:30:22,319 --> 00:30:23,559
Speaker 2: Like I said, he's a globalist.

592
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,559
Speaker 1: So the trip to actually I don't know about that,

593
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,960
but we'll get to it maybe, but we'll get to it.

594
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,680
Actually maybe maybe, but we'll get to it.

595
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,279
Speaker 2: Reptilian, So.

596
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: He did a trip through Europe in nineteen thirty four

597
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:42,240
that concluded Germany.

598
00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 2: Listen, nothing wrong in Germany in the thirties.

599
00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:50,119
Speaker 1: Nazee Germany.

600
00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:54,359
Speaker 2: Yeah I know that, yeah, but like no issues yet.

601
00:30:55,759 --> 00:30:58,640
That Hitler, that Hitler's a bad egg.

602
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,559
Speaker 1: So Hitler had become Chancellor of Germany in nineteen thirty.

603
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,079
Speaker 2: There was Nazi parties in America that time. Henry Ford

604
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,799
was like leading the charge, let's chap the brakes on that,

605
00:31:11,119 --> 00:31:13,440
because yeah, there were people who were like it, Charles Lindberg.

606
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,680
This guys got some good ideas, but there's a difference.

607
00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:19,880
We'll get to it.

608
00:31:20,359 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to it right now. Is Joe a

609
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:27,359
big Hitler supporter. We're gonna get into that right now. Okay,

610
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:32,000
literally right now. So Joe, nineteen year old Joe. But

611
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,279
Joe goes to Germany in nineteen thirty four. Hitler had

612
00:31:36,319 --> 00:31:38,559
been chancellor since nineteen thirty three, so about a year.

613
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,200
And the Nazi regime at the time, it's consolidating power,

614
00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:49,160
it's implementing policies like Nuremberg laws, and it also in

615
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,039
nineteen thirty three, so basically, right when Hitler took power,

616
00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:56,839
implemented the sterilization program called this was the name of

617
00:31:56,839 --> 00:32:00,880
the law, the Prevention of hereditarily Diseased Offspring Law.

618
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, eugenics was kind of a big thing.

619
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,559
Speaker 1: But it's a huge, huge, humongous thing.

620
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 2: Motherfucking Helen Keller was a eugenist, ironic, but again she

621
00:32:11,599 --> 00:32:13,920
was not born that way. I'm blind the right way

622
00:32:14,359 --> 00:32:16,599
six months after I was born. Yeah, all these born

623
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:24,640
blindies drown them I'm useful, are you No, really pulled

624
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,640
the ladder up big time. And I don't think she

625
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,240
was writing her speeches, yeah.

626
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: Or her books or anything. So while the specific details

627
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:40,880
of Joe Junior's itinerary in Germany are spars, it is

628
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,920
known that he visited the country. Are they Yeah, they

629
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:45,440
are from what.

630
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,519
Speaker 2: I could tell they are, But we burned the books.

631
00:32:47,559 --> 00:32:49,359
Speaker 1: We do have first hand.

632
00:32:49,119 --> 00:32:52,079
Speaker 2: Reasons writing journals. He's just like, I love this Adolf Hitler.

633
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,599
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to that. There are some first hand.

634
00:32:56,559 --> 00:32:59,279
Speaker 2: Resources, some good ideas.

635
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna get to that. So he went to

636
00:33:04,759 --> 00:33:07,960
the country. Essentially, his trip to Nazi Germany was like

637
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,720
if if you or I took a trip to North Korea,

638
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,240
they would just show you around and show you how

639
00:33:12,279 --> 00:33:13,240
awesome everything.

640
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 2: Was, especially me. I'm pretty sure I have a statue

641
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:16,000
in North Korea.

642
00:33:16,039 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yah, you are a beloved Wes.

643
00:33:18,759 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: I'm one of UN's like top five writers.

644
00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:23,599
Speaker 1: You were a big read of his back in the day.

645
00:33:24,039 --> 00:33:26,359
And if you're listening, Kim.

646
00:33:26,119 --> 00:33:27,039
Speaker 2: And I know who you are.

647
00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:27,799
Speaker 1: We love you.

648
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 2: We'll see the traffic in North Gray Spike, Yeah, yeah,

649
00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:32,599
what up? As long as we mentioned in the hill,

650
00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:33,759
he'll listener, We'll.

651
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: Ride for the Democratic Republic of North Korea. It's in

652
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:37,559
the name dog.

653
00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:40,799
Speaker 2: I don't think he understands, especially with like a secondary

654
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:47,200
language satire sarcasm. Yeah, it does translate, So I think, yeah,

655
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:48,279
I might be his favorite writer.

656
00:33:49,799 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: You go to like you got to Lake, I don't know,

657
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,720
just like a Turkish prison, like a midnight Express and

658
00:33:57,759 --> 00:33:59,599
you just learn a little bit of Turkish and they're like,

659
00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:02,640
would you like to be raped now? And you're like, oh, yeah,

660
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,240
I'd love to be raped. It's not how they're gonna

661
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:06,480
hear it.

662
00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:10,199
Speaker 2: But that also might turn them off. He's like, oh

663
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:12,599
he wants it. Yeah, that's not raped then yeah, like.

664
00:34:12,559 --> 00:34:16,639
Speaker 1: I said to everything, like, ah, it's in fun anymore.

665
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 2: That kind of ruins their joy.

666
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: So he basically got like a North Korea version tour

667
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:28,400
of Nazi Germany. So obviously a sharp Harvard man educated

668
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:28,840
at choke.

669
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: Stop saying choke raised by it.

670
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,039
Speaker 1: No one knows what choke is raised by a sharp

671
00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:36,920
political mind. He would see through all this right.

672
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,639
Speaker 2: No, no, no, he's nineteen. No, he's a moron. No,

673
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:45,559
every nineteen year old is a moron. It doesn't matter

674
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,519
you have to go through just being I mean, you're

675
00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:52,000
just too young. You're too young to know anything anything

676
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,280
and no world experience, even if you're raised the way

677
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,159
he was. He was probably the room to be fucking

678
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,800
US President till Or a total imbecile.

679
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was probably one of the sharpest minds

680
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,159
of politics as far as nineteen year old twin in

681
00:35:09,199 --> 00:35:12,000
the country at the time. But he's still fucking nineteen.

682
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 2: I still don't even think I've like fully awakened debt. No,

683
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,320
like I think I'm still an NPC. I'm still winning

684
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:24,880
to finally click come to life. Yeah, one of these days.

685
00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:29,559
Speaker 1: So would murdering you be illegal? I think technically, but

686
00:35:29,639 --> 00:35:33,119
like you're not really a person immoral.

687
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 2: Probably not, you know, I'll just move on to the

688
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:37,280
next life.

689
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, regenerate respawn, Yeah, you just start. You don't even

690
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,480
you're not even a baby. You just wake up, like

691
00:35:43,519 --> 00:35:45,880
walking down a street. But that was weird.

692
00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, ugh, it must have been a dream.

693
00:35:49,159 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: Whatever. You just shrug it off. Let me go you

694
00:35:51,039 --> 00:35:56,199
to Brito. So. Joe Junior wrote to his father, Joe

695
00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:02,719
Senior about his trip through Germany, and he expressed admiration

696
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,599
for the Nazi sterilization program, calling it quote a great

697
00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:14,880
thing that would eliminate quote disgusting specimens of men.

698
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,119
Speaker 2: Sounds very Icelandic.

699
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not eugenics if it happens while they're a fetus.

700
00:36:23,079 --> 00:36:26,559
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, you know, how did Eisland get rid of

701
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,480
all the people with down syndrome?

702
00:36:28,599 --> 00:36:31,039
Speaker 1: Funny story about that, same way Sparta got rid of

703
00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:33,199
all babies with club feet.

704
00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:37,159
Speaker 2: Not something to celebrate, guys, Nope.

705
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: So he also praised Hitler's ability to instill a sense

706
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:47,559
of unity and purpose, writing quote, quote, Hitler is building

707
00:36:47,639 --> 00:36:50,000
a spirit in his men that could be envied by

708
00:36:50,119 --> 00:36:50,920
any country.

709
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 2: I mean, you watch those clips. Everyone's kind of hyped.

710
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,440
He was a great hype man. I just saw fucking

711
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:04,519
little John this weekend, had a first form that summer smash.

712
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,199
I bet Hitler kind of got the country going that

713
00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:07,800
way will.

714
00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: John type of Yeah, yeah, you'll do anything after a while.

715
00:37:11,559 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 2: Just gotta be loud and just full of energy and

716
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,000
just yeah, you get the people going.

717
00:37:18,639 --> 00:37:21,199
Speaker 1: He did. Hard to say he was a little John

718
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,519
of his time. Hard to say he didn't. So Joe

719
00:37:23,639 --> 00:37:28,719
Junior wrote about how the Nazis handled Jews as well.

720
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 2: I can't imagine then Joe was like super down with

721
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:34,079
the Jews either.

722
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: Uh.

723
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,559
Speaker 2: He described it as quote not a lot of people

724
00:37:38,599 --> 00:37:42,239
were Yeah, he'd ever I mean today he described it

725
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:50,960
as quote quote well founded. You know this pops up

726
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,559
every like fifteen to twenty years. Maybe there's smoke there,

727
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,159
what maybe there's you know, there's a lot of smoke there.

728
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:05,519
Speaker 1: Sure, he went on to elaborate, quote, they were at

729
00:38:05,519 --> 00:38:09,079
the heads of all big business in law, etc. It

730
00:38:09,159 --> 00:38:11,960
is all to their credit for them to get so far,

731
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,800
but their methods had been quite unscrupulous. The lawyers and

732
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,000
prominent judges were Jews, and if you had a case

733
00:38:20,039 --> 00:38:22,440
against the Jew you were nearly always sure to lose it.

734
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,760
As far as the brutality is concerned, it must have

735
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,119
been necessary to use.

736
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 2: Some Yeah, I mean these just sound like Kanye lyrics.

737
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,199
Speaker 1: That is a hard quote from the Joe Junior letter

738
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:45,920
to Joe Senior. Joe Junior also praised Hitler's insight, his

739
00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:50,440
instincts into you know, finding a common enemy for the

740
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:51,880
German people, that being the Jews.

741
00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe if Joe becomes president, Israel doesn't exist real.

742
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,039
Speaker 1: Likely and he would have been president at this point

743
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:00,880
or in the next fifteen years anyway.

744
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 2: Or maybe he had a bit of a role in

745
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,199
the White House when he comes back from the war.

746
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: He did plan to run for Congress when he came

747
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:08,679
back from the.

748
00:39:08,679 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 2: War, so maybe he prevents Israel. I don't know.

749
00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:21,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Joe Junior wrote of Hitler's he said it

750
00:39:21,639 --> 00:39:24,480
was brilliant that he found a common enemy and wrote, quote,

751
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,800
it was excellent psychology, and it was too bad that

752
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,320
it had to be done to the Jews. He's like,

753
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:36,280
I got nothing as Jews, like the faith, but like,

754
00:39:36,519 --> 00:39:41,599
clearly the Jews in this country are bananas. And you know,

755
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,280
I don't want I wouldn't pick Jews. I'm just saying

756
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,360
they were there and they picked him and it was

757
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:48,880
a smooth move.

758
00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 2: He's just like saying they got rid of organized crime.

759
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,039
I fucking guess. It's like every Italian is obviously in

760
00:39:58,039 --> 00:39:58,400
the mob.

761
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: So anyway, Kennedy becomes a delegate to the Democratic National

762
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:09,119
Convention six years later, of course, in nineteen forty, and

763
00:40:09,159 --> 00:40:15,320
the first thing he does is advocate for isolationism. I

764
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:20,800
was going Jefferson, No, he's going Lindbergh kind of which

765
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,039
is it's not off eight, it's not a wall, which

766
00:40:26,199 --> 00:40:29,920
not a I disagree because obviously this thing was gonna

767
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,960
get global, especially by nineteen forty, like the ward already started.

768
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,880
But and like the Germans were trying to control the

769
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,639
seas with U boats and shit like that. But he

770
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,000
was like, let Europe panel Europe's problems.

771
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, if he goes after Russia at some point,

772
00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:51,360
let's say, conquers all of Europe, he's probably coming for

773
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,039
us at some point, at some point he's going to

774
00:40:54,119 --> 00:40:56,440
get a thirst some way. He's like, I could do this,

775
00:40:57,119 --> 00:40:58,239
It'd be a heat check moment.

776
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,639
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the way you do it is people are like, oh,

777
00:41:01,679 --> 00:41:05,320
you could never invade America because like the Atlantic Ocean

778
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,079
is there. But the way the Germans could have done

779
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:12,559
it is you take the UK and then okay, America,

780
00:41:12,639 --> 00:41:15,679
we're not gonna bother you. We're just gonna invade Canada

781
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,039
because they were allied with the United Kingdom and all

782
00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:20,079
of a sudden, that trip across the Atlantic Ocean becomes

783
00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:22,679
a lot shorter because you're going through Iceland and Greenland

784
00:41:22,679 --> 00:41:27,239
and there's way points you're not going, you know, England.

785
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:31,559
Speaker 2: To their control in the Sea Virginia without any problems

786
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:34,719
almost certainly, What the fuck is the Canadian Navy gonna

787
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:39,119
do there doesn't exist? Like, uh yeah, I don't know.

788
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,480
Maybe he'd be down with all the Nazis in America.

789
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,360
I think he would probably try it, and he would

790
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,639
try to like overthrow the government from within.

791
00:41:47,599 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: Make America sympathetic and be an ally and being like, look,

792
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,440
I'm fighting the Communists. Aren't communists so much worse than me? Yeah,

793
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,440
And a lot of people are like, oh yeah, it's

794
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,519
like you don't have to take a side when it's

795
00:42:01,559 --> 00:42:05,360
two bad people. You can sit out, you can say it,

796
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,039
you can just say, maybe Joe's right, you could set

797
00:42:07,039 --> 00:42:14,320
this out. Yeah. So Joe Kennedy vocally opposed FDR's nomination

798
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,440
for a third term, which is legit, which is legit,

799
00:42:18,119 --> 00:42:20,239
although he wasn't doing it for a legit reason.

800
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 2: No one else did it. What he's a trendsetter, you know,

801
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,440
no one had done a third term at that point.

802
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: Well, people had tried one or two people have tried,

803
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:29,400
including a Roosevelt.

804
00:42:30,679 --> 00:42:34,599
Speaker 2: All right, but I don't I don't even think Teddy

805
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,519
was really believing in him getting that third term.

806
00:42:37,679 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 1: It was a stretch, like he was a long shot.

807
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he just kind of did it to

808
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,000
like fuck his party, a thorn in the side of

809
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:47,440
his party.

810
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I kind of agree. So he opposed FDR's

811
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,440
third term, and his father was an isolationist, so he

812
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,800
was like, yeah, I'm an isolationist too. He didn't want

813
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,679
to get the US into World War two by this point,

814
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,039
by nineteen forty, was pretty controversial, and it placed him

815
00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:06,519
in the minority of the US population who were like,

816
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:12,119
I mean, this is common. There's just no way around this.

817
00:43:12,639 --> 00:43:15,639
It's it's gonna happen. And that's not even talking about

818
00:43:15,639 --> 00:43:18,599
the Japanese. He's focused on Europe for the most part,

819
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:21,239
but a.

820
00:43:21,199 --> 00:43:23,519
Speaker 2: Lot of all of that talk were the Japanese on

821
00:43:23,519 --> 00:43:25,480
our radars, like Pearl Harbor.

822
00:43:25,559 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely absolutely, because.

823
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 2: We see them bucking in the Pacific.

824
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: We had shit in this Pacific, including a lot of bases.

825
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,280
We were massively in the Philippines still, and we.

826
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 2: Did after were they fucking our shit up?

827
00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 1: They didn't fuck our shit up, but FDR was like,

828
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,199
they're they're gonna come and they're gonna try to fuck

829
00:43:44,199 --> 00:43:46,119
with the ship we owned in the Pacific, And so

830
00:43:46,159 --> 00:43:48,599
that's why we did, like the oil embargo and stuff

831
00:43:48,639 --> 00:43:52,800
like that. And also the Japanese were I think maybe

832
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,239
already conquering Indonesia, which is where a lot of rubber

833
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,880
came from. Yeah, which would would have fucked the American

834
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,920
economy at the time, especially the auto industry.

835
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 2: But it is like our fucking girl Helen Keller friends

836
00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:07,519
with the emperor.

837
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: Makes you think she's a bad person. Meanwhile, I mean,

838
00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:15,880
Hitler would have just thrown her in a gas chamber,

839
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,320
but here a Hedo give.

840
00:44:18,199 --> 00:44:20,559
Speaker 2: Her found interesting an audience. I guess, I don't know.

841
00:44:20,599 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: He was like, would you like to stay in my

842
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,360
court as some sort of decoration?

843
00:44:24,559 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 2: Yeah?

844
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: Would that be fun for you?

845
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,119
Speaker 2: Like a jester almost because she just made sounds.

846
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 1: So Kennedy was anti third term for FDR isolationists. Most

847
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,920
of this might have really been because at this point,

848
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,519
although they initially supported FDR because they were Democrats, that

849
00:44:45,639 --> 00:44:50,679
Kennedy's had a falling out with the Roosevelts. Kennedy Senior

850
00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:57,079
had been made ambassador to the United Kingdom in nineteen

851
00:44:57,119 --> 00:45:00,199
thirty eight, and they felt like that was him being

852
00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:05,559
sidelined for a better position, you know what I mean,

853
00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:07,840
Like there he wanted better positions in the in the

854
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,480
government and and FDR wouldn't give it to him and

855
00:45:10,519 --> 00:45:12,920
just made him ambassador, which he felt was.

856
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,679
Speaker 2: He was slided. Yeah, so I was like, you're now

857
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,119
my enemy that will come for you. Yeah, basically.

858
00:45:18,199 --> 00:45:21,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he sent Joe Junior to the Masters's delegation

859
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:23,400
to be like fuck FDR.

860
00:45:24,679 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 2: Cool.

861
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,159
Speaker 1: So I don't know how much Joe actually held those

862
00:45:28,199 --> 00:45:29,960
positions in real life. And we'll get more into one

863
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,360
of those reasons for a second or in a second.

864
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:38,079
Speaker 2: But no, not affiliated with the business plot at all,

865
00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:40,960
not to my knowledge. I look, it wasn't with like

866
00:45:41,039 --> 00:45:41,880
Smedley Butler.

867
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:47,679
Speaker 1: I think those were Republicans okay involved in And it

868
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,039
was also early enough that he was probably still an FDR.

869
00:45:50,039 --> 00:45:53,519
Speaker 2: Because allegedly Smedley Butler wasn't even with h himself. Yeah,

870
00:45:53,639 --> 00:45:56,760
or the business plot. They just like kind of nominated him.

871
00:45:57,119 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: Oh, Junior Senior, was Joe can you involved in the

872
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:02,639
business plot? I don't think he was. I think he

873
00:46:02,679 --> 00:46:06,000
was still an FDR supporter at the time. This was

874
00:46:06,039 --> 00:46:10,880
like six years, seven years after the business plot something

875
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:16,679
like that. Anyway, So Joe jor Joe Senior, I should say,

876
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,239
was also trying to undermine FDR constantly while he was

877
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,239
in his little kid's table position as Ambassador of the

878
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,360
United Nations. So he's ambassador to the United Kingdom. He's

879
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,039
Ambassador the United Kingdom from thirty eight to forty so

880
00:46:30,159 --> 00:46:32,760
during the start of World War Two and the London Blitz,

881
00:46:34,159 --> 00:46:37,519
Joe Senior is the ambassador to the United Kingdom and

882
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,599
he's mad about it, and so he starts just talking

883
00:46:43,679 --> 00:46:46,400
shit about the UK.

884
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,199
Speaker 2: I mean, the UK was talking about the UK at

885
00:46:49,199 --> 00:46:49,519
that point.

886
00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: He was like, dude, the United Kingdom is cooked. They're

887
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,239
not gonna beat Germany, They're gonna lose, They're probably get

888
00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:00,239
invaded and lose. Let's just let's just cut our tie

889
00:47:00,559 --> 00:47:04,800
and go full isolationists, like fuck this, Like the top

890
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,199
American in the UK is just like these guys are

891
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:08,000
fucking gone.

892
00:47:09,639 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 2: I mean, Chamberlain is usually kind of like thrown under

893
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,719
the bus right for handling things so poorly.

894
00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: Yep, there is an alternate theory. I don't know how

895
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,519
much I buy it, but there's an alternate theory that

896
00:47:25,559 --> 00:47:28,679
he was like he knew the UK couldn't compete in

897
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,039
like thirty six, thirty seven, thirty eight, and so he

898
00:47:32,119 --> 00:47:35,320
was appeasing just to buy time and hope the Brits

899
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:40,199
would get like the population would get scared of Germany's intentions,

900
00:47:40,199 --> 00:47:42,800
and the Americans we scared of Germany's intentions, and the

901
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,920
French probably already were scared and build up their their

902
00:47:47,039 --> 00:47:50,519
industrial capacity and military capacity that was in no way

903
00:47:50,559 --> 00:47:54,320
ready to build up fight Germany at that time, because

904
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,239
Germany was already ahead of the game.

905
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 2: Despite all the sanctions from World War II.

906
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: Oh, they just but they were they were through that

907
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:02,840
by that point.

908
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 4: Now.

909
00:48:03,079 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 2: They just yeah, just repped it back up.

910
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,039
Speaker 1: They were just like, we're gonna make an army again.

911
00:48:07,079 --> 00:48:09,039
Speaker 2: They're so efficient, come and stop us.

912
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: We're gonna make an army.

913
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,519
Speaker 2: What are you gonna do? You can come and try

914
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:13,400
on Frenchies.

915
00:48:13,519 --> 00:48:22,159
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Kennedy Junior's stances at the at the forty

916
00:48:22,199 --> 00:48:28,079
convention were probably more family related than well, they're politically related,

917
00:48:28,119 --> 00:48:32,519
in that he was trying to fuck their political enemy.

918
00:48:32,679 --> 00:48:34,719
I don't know that he necessarily believed in the positions

919
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,039
he was taking at the time.

920
00:48:37,639 --> 00:48:40,039
Speaker 2: I don't know, kind of sounds like he still believed

921
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:41,079
in what he was saying.

922
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: I think if FDR had given Daddy everything Daddy wanted.

923
00:48:45,639 --> 00:48:48,280
They would have been going hard for a third FDR term.

924
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 2: He seemed pretty uh, you know hard himself on Germany.

925
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,480
He was, he was rock hard for Germany. Joe Jr.

926
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:58,079
Speaker 1: Well we'll get to that.

927
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 2: So we've been to it. Well, we'll get to it

928
00:49:02,679 --> 00:49:05,039
real quick. We do have some ads and this week

929
00:49:05,039 --> 00:49:05,880
have a very special guests.

930
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: Read in the ads. It's actually Joe Kennedy Junior for

931
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:09,519
Factor Meals, So check it out.

932
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:10,199
Speaker 2: Hello.

933
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: Oh, I am Joe Kennedy Jr. Here to talk to

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Factor meals dot Com slash Softcore fifty off. Any final words, Joe,

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it was turned on a fact or by a Brazilian woman,

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and do not regret when she told me so. It

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should be noted that his stances on the Nazis had

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shifted by this point. And what do you think could

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change a Kennedy's mind?

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Speaker 2: Pussy?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was bad Brazilian bitch, oh Brazilian.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But a lady, a Brazilian lady by the name of

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Amy de Hereen Portuguese accent. Yeah, let's see what she

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looked like. Young, I forgot to say, Oh boy, this

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can't be her.

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Speaker 2: Is this her? This is what took down Joe?

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Speaker 1: Whoa jil?

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Speaker 2: Let's see it. She looked good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a face shot.

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Speaker 2: But she is obviously like an attractive as well. Oh yeah,

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so he starts banging her and starts seeing the world differently. Yeah,

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I get it, I get it, Joe.

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Speaker 1: And what's interesting about her is that she was a socialite,

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of course, just look at her. Yeah, but also a

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Brazilian secret service agent.

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Speaker 2: She was a spot right, yeah, honeypotted.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And she was in Europe a lot and dealing

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with the Nazis, trying to fuck with South America and

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stuff like that. They started banging about nineteen thirty eight.

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She was actively working against Nazi interests. She gathered intelligence

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in Europe when she would go there on her socialite trips,

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go there and you know.

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Speaker 2: On behalf of what government Brazil really and probably others.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like what.

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Speaker 2: European nation is like Brazil helping out, It is Portugal,

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but Portugal and Spain aren't involved really No.

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Speaker 1: But the other thing too is that the Nazis are

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trying to get their fingers everywhere. Yeah, Argentina is the

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popular one, but a lot of Nazis fled to Brazil

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to No.

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Speaker 2: I get that, but she's doing anti Nazi Yeah, so

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who's she working for?

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Speaker 1: Uh? Who? I don't know. I didn't look it up.

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Speaker 2: France, like England.

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Speaker 1: I assumed it was Brazil, but maybe it's so, maybe

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it's someone else.

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Speaker 2: Because it seems like Brazil would be a Nazi sympathetic.

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Speaker 1: Uh not necessarily the case from what I recall. H

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let's see who she was it a valkyrie situation. She

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was a no. She was for Brazil because Brazil was

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invited to join the Axis Powers. Brazil was invited to

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be with Italy and Germany and Japan. She said no,

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and she got sent by the president to go look around,

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to go poke around and see what was up.

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Speaker 2: Sure, so she would be on or she'd be representing

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on behalf of the axis. Powers.

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Speaker 1: No, she was there to see what the deal was.

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Speaker 2: Oh all right, just kind of feel things out there.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, she get She was there to feel it out,

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and she saw inside the beast and was like, oh

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my fucking god, this is bad.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so she starts banging Joe Junior. Yep, little pillow

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talk about what Adolph's up to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So Joe Junior is like, I I went over

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to Germany in nineteen thirty four and I found Adolf

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Hitler quite remarkable.

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Speaker 2: Seemed like a stand up guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And she's like, oh honey, hold on just second,

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lo oh honey, let me tell you about what's really

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going on and Joe. Then Joe was like, I all right,

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that's an interesting uh data data point.

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Speaker 2: Never had a femme fatale throw it back like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And then she just hopped on top and was like,

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I'll tell you more about it in a second. Wrote

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him into the fucking ground for twenty minutes, and he's like,

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I agree with everything you said. Adolf Hitler is the

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worst man on it.

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Speaker 2: Just total clarity. Yeah, yeah, yep, that post not clarity,

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but whatever. She whispers into your ear. Yeah, yeah, I

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believe that.

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Speaker 1: So he also went to Spain during its civil war

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and thirty nine and saw their authoritarian government and was like, oh, yeah,

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I don't think this works. This seems bad. But it

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was mostly the pussy that convinced them otherwise.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's not how you get there, right, right,

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it's as long as you do get there.

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Speaker 1: He got there. He got there the best way.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to show your work, Nope, you shouldn't

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have to just get the answer right.

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Speaker 1: And he eventually arrived at the answer. Now. There's one

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other interesting wrinkle that I like that's funny to me,

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which is JFK also took a europe trip right after

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Joe Junior. He went to Germany in nineteen thirty nine

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and was like, the Nazis seem bad. And there's some

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historians who think that Joe Junior, not wanting to be

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to lose an argument to his brother, essentially had to

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pick the other side. No, no, no, he had to

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essentially like be like he realized like his position was untenable,

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and he was like, okay, I got to uh, I

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gotta just say that the Nazis are bad now like

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it'll change my mind.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know if he was like automatically playing Devil's advocate.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no no. He essentially was like, fuck, he's

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gonna I'm gonna look like a real asshole if John's

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right and I'm wrong.

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Speaker 2: So I'll just just play it safe here. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, he laid up. Yeah, didn't have the guts

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to throw the deep ball.

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Speaker 2: That's fine, dude. He was getting up in that girl's guts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So, despite being an isolationist in nineteen forty, Joe

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Junior joins the US Navy in nineteen forty one. Damn

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in June nineteen forty one.

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Speaker 2: So pre Pearl Harbor right, who was getting ready? Who

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was locked and loaded? He knew it was coming.

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Speaker 1: Yep. He left his final year of Harvard Law School

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to become a naval aviator, and he would go on

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to bomb the absolute fuck out of the Nazis. Hell yeah.

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He entered flight training and received his wings and was

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commission at Ensign May fifth, nineteen forty two. In September

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nineteen forty three, he went to Britain became a member

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of Bomber Squadron one ten. Kennedy piloted B twenty four Liberators.

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They were on anti submarine details and he served two

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tours of duty during the winner of forty three forty four.

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He was promoted to lieutenant on July first, nineteen forty four,

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and he completed twenty five combat missions in the B

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twenty four, which meant he was eligible to return.

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Speaker 2: Home, and he decided not to.

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Speaker 1: He stayed. He wanted to keep fighting.

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Speaker 2: He wanted the VALA.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so he I'm sorry. He volunteered for Operation Aphrodite.

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Operation Aphrodite was the use of the Army Air Corps

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B seventeen flying Fortresses and the Navy PB four y

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one Liberator bombers that were converted into thrones essentially flying bombs. Sure,

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and they would be deliberately crashed into their target via

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radio control from an accompanying bomber because he had to

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be pretty close at the time. And I think the

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two reasons it is. One it was for use for

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precision attacks because there were no missiles or anything. Really,

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this is the only way you could like be sure

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you're gonna hit something. It was mostly carpet bombing and

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stuff like that. Back then, there was like precision carpet bombing.

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But still and also I think it was a bigger payload,

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Like they just filled that whole fucking thing with bombs.

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Yeah what I mer truck. Yeah, it was just as

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much fucking dynamite as you could put into there. These

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uh drone aircraft they couldn't take off safely on their

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own via radio control. So here's how you had to

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do this. This is what Joe Kennedy volunteered for. A

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01:00:15,559 --> 01:00:19,239
crew of two people would take the plane off, get

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to two thousand feet altitude. Then they would activate the

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remote control system, arm the bomb detonators, and jump out

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of the plane. So you fly a bomb up into

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the air, turn the bomb on, and then jump out

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of it at two thousand feet.

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Speaker 2: Kamakazie. But you're not committed, right right right right? Yeah,

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no honor.

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Speaker 1: Kama kazi without the honor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're just ghosts riding the whip dude. Right,

1139
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:56,719
he wasn't even remote controlling it. He just had to

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take it off and jump out. The ghost riding the whip.

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You never uh fucking just threw your bike, no, absolutely,

1142
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:10,000
and see how far could go without you. Okay, you

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01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:11,440
have your boys on your pegs in the back.

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Speaker 1: No, no, not really. You have boys? Are some boys?

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01:01:19,719 --> 01:01:20,239
Some boys?

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01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 2: Was it more like boarding school boys?

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01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: Or don't worry about it? Okay, I went to private school.

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Speaker 2: You didn't have anybody like riding on the handlebars or

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on the back of the pegs.

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Speaker 1: No, what any mean? My boys? That sounds choked handlebar

1151
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:35,800
and your boy.

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01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 2: That's the straightest thing you can do, is it? Yeah,

1153
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,320
it's pretty pretty cool. Dude. You got a basket boy,

1154
01:01:43,199 --> 01:01:49,639
there's no basket then, yeah, sometimes you can be a

1155
01:01:49,679 --> 01:01:52,960
basket Were you a basketball I was never a basket boy.

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Speaker 1: Okay, then it sounds like being a basketboys and I

1157
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was a basketball or brother. But you had basket boys.

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Speaker 2: I never had a basket boy. I had a peg boy. Okay,

1159
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my boys got pegged.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's fair. But riding on, riding on the handlebars feminine,

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riding on the pegs masculine.

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Speaker 2: That's cool as yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh dude, not ride wa wa on the pegs? Yeah,

1164
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:21,039
come on, just go some hoogies. Yeah, hop them up pegs.

1165
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 2: You get the chromies, you know, you take off the

1166
01:02:23,679 --> 01:02:27,559
air valve, replace it with like a skull or a

1167
01:02:27,679 --> 01:02:28,239
pair of dice.

1168
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I sadly never had a bike with pegs and

1169
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:32,159
I regret it to this day.

1170
01:02:32,199 --> 01:02:36,039
Speaker 2: Did you have a chromey? No, Dann, you weren't cool. No,

1171
01:02:36,599 --> 01:02:37,440
you were chill, dude.

1172
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,599
Speaker 1: We're a little big bike riders in my neighborhood.

1173
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 2: I mean, when did you start hanging out with your

1174
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:43,559
friends in the neighborhood?

1175
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 1: They all live within walking distance.

1176
01:02:45,719 --> 01:02:47,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like we'd ride our bikes in like third

1177
01:02:47,679 --> 01:02:48,280
or fourth grade.

1178
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,559
Speaker 1: Noah. I mean we sometimes, but we mostly just walk

1179
01:02:50,639 --> 01:02:52,880
each other houses and you know, fuck around.

1180
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 2: We walked to chose stuff, yeah for sure. Yeah, that's

1181
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:58,440
how you get ahead in life.

1182
01:02:58,559 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. None, Then we're rich enough. That's why I do

1183
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:03,480
this show instead of being a congressman with the podcast.

1184
01:03:03,519 --> 01:03:05,559
Speaker 2: That's why you're with your basketboy.

1185
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. So for this mission, the Navy was involved as

1186
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:14,880
well as an Army mission. Army Air Corps the name

1187
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,800
was involved as well. On July twenty third, Lieutenant's Wilford

1188
01:03:18,079 --> 01:03:21,599
John Willie and Kennedy were designated as the Navy's first

1189
01:03:21,639 --> 01:03:25,079
Anvil flight crew his Operation Anvil for the Navy, Operation

1190
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:30,000
Aphrodity for the Army. Willie was the executive officer of

1191
01:03:30,119 --> 01:03:32,760
a Special Air Unit one and volunteered for the mission

1192
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:36,760
and pulled rank over Ensign James Simpson, who was Kennedy's

1193
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,400
regular copilot, so Kennedy did not have his regular copilot

1194
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,360
for this mission. On August twelfth, Kenny and his co

1195
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:46,840
pilot took off with the robot aircraft and it was

1196
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:52,519
loaded with nine with twenty one pounds of torpex explosive.

1197
01:03:52,719 --> 01:03:54,199
Speaker 2: I think I know where the story's going.

1198
01:03:54,599 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they were gonna bomb a V three rocket

1199
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:04,280
development site with it. As planned. They took off and

1200
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:07,639
the b Q eight, which is what the converted plane

1201
01:04:07,679 --> 01:04:10,079
was called, made its first remote controlled turn. So all

1202
01:04:10,079 --> 01:04:11,519
they had to do was take it off and then

1203
01:04:11,559 --> 01:04:12,760
it starts getting remote controlled.

1204
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:14,079
Speaker 2: More or less you have to eject.

1205
01:04:14,199 --> 01:04:16,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, took its first remote controlled turn at two thousand

1206
01:04:16,559 --> 01:04:20,000
feet and they were like, all right, everything is fine,

1207
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:24,119
So they pulled the safety pin. Willie and Kennedy did

1208
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:29,440
armed the explosive pass package, and Kennedy radioed the agreed

1209
01:04:29,519 --> 01:04:38,519
code to the other planes. Spade flush, spade flush, His

1210
01:04:38,679 --> 01:04:41,519
last known words, spade flash.

1211
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 2: They weren't so flush, were they.

1212
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: Two minutes later and well before planned crew bailout perhaps

1213
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:59,119
two flush the explosives on the plane detonated prettymaturely, heraped

1214
01:04:59,199 --> 01:05:05,119
out pretty much liquefying Kennedy and Willie, Oh.

1215
01:05:04,519 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 2: You hate to see it.

1216
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:09,119
Speaker 1: Yeah. According to the report, the explosion was so big

1217
01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:12,440
that other planes following it were damaged and fifty nine

1218
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,079
buildings were damaged in a nearby coastal town.

1219
01:05:15,559 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 2: Operator air Yeah, or was it just kind of like

1220
01:05:19,639 --> 01:05:22,079
one of the things that happens.

1221
01:05:22,599 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I'm gonna toss a little conspiracy in here.

1222
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,280
You got taken out, Toss a little conspiracy in here.

1223
01:05:33,159 --> 01:05:37,719
I believe the unit, or one of the units involved,

1224
01:05:38,639 --> 01:05:47,760
was under the command of Colonel Elliott Roosevelt, son of

1225
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:56,960
Franklin Delano Roosevelt related. Just gonna leave that out there,

1226
01:05:57,719 --> 01:06:01,960
Just gonna leave that out there. He was aboard one

1227
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:02,960
of the tailing aircraft.

1228
01:06:03,039 --> 01:06:04,079
Speaker 2: More connecting dots.

1229
01:06:04,159 --> 01:06:07,599
Speaker 1: Yeah. The drone operations were polots for a month while

1230
01:06:07,719 --> 01:06:11,360
equipment was re evaluated and modified. Although the Navy was

1231
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:15,400
no longer involved, the Navy did an informal board of

1232
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:18,599
review on the event and they discussed a number of

1233
01:06:18,639 --> 01:06:22,400
theories they swept under the rug. They discounted they do

1234
01:06:22,519 --> 01:06:24,840
not think there was crew error, so they do not

1235
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:26,280
think Kennedy are really fucked up.

1236
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 2: Okay, so point in perhaps your conspiracy.

1237
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 1: It is suspected that what caused it was either jamming

1238
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:40,840
or a stray signal. So like, do you play laser

1239
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:41,800
tag as a kid?

1240
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was, I mean nobody deal, but like one

1241
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:47,960
of the one of them ones, like the ones you

1242
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,800
put on. I was one of them one Okay, not like.

1243
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 1: In the arcade, but like in the yard.

1244
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was the fucking man, is what I'm saying.

1245
01:06:56,639 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 1: And sometimes those things would just go off if someone

1246
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,000
was like clicking their car open or uh, you know,

1247
01:07:02,239 --> 01:07:04,079
you walk in front of a window while someone was

1248
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:07,559
changing the channel on their TV cross streams and that

1249
01:07:07,639 --> 01:07:09,639
you'd get shot. You'd go wow, and you'd be what

1250
01:07:09,719 --> 01:07:12,719
the fuck I didn't get shot? And then you'd be like, hey, guys,

1251
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:15,159
I gotta I got a straight hit. It's not real.

1252
01:07:15,199 --> 01:07:17,199
I'm gonna reset and set to the amount of shots

1253
01:07:17,239 --> 01:07:17,440
I have.

1254
01:07:19,239 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 2: Can't do that with this though.

1255
01:07:21,599 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 1: No, it's the one and done with the plane full

1256
01:07:24,519 --> 01:07:25,159
of dynamite.

1257
01:07:27,519 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 2: Maybe we should teach kids, you know, proper consequences like that.

1258
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 1: Though, But Dan who sent the signal.

1259
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 2: Could have been anyone who.

1260
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:42,559
Speaker 1: Sent the signal. An electronics officer Earl Olsen, on the

1261
01:07:42,599 --> 01:07:45,840
other hand, said he believed the wiring harness had a

1262
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:49,599
design defect, and he warned Kennedy the day before the mission.

1263
01:07:50,239 --> 01:07:53,360
He was like, I this is not good electronic This

1264
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:57,519
is not good electrician work. This is there's bad wiring.

1265
01:07:58,039 --> 01:07:59,679
I would uh, I don't know if I would do

1266
01:07:59,679 --> 01:08:01,559
it if I was you. Yeah, And Kennedy was like,

1267
01:08:01,639 --> 01:08:05,960
I am a hero and shut the fuck up. I

1268
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:09,280
went to shout, where'd you go? You have a rich man,

1269
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:11,880
you have a rich boy? Suck yeah, cock, Oh yeah,

1270
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:15,880
I don't think so, I'm getting that plaid. I'm president,

1271
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:22,399
and I say it's he'll be a Janita. And anyway

1272
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:24,319
he turned to soup a day later.

1273
01:08:24,359 --> 01:08:25,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was nothing left of him.

1274
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 1: No, no, there's nothing to bury at all over water,

1275
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:35,079
at least over land because the whole point's gotta parachute out. Yeah.

1276
01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:37,039
So they bail when they're still over land.

1277
01:08:37,199 --> 01:08:43,399
Speaker 2: Okay, so yeah, he's spread all over Oh yeah, yeah, he.

1278
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 1: Had his He was immediately cremated and had his ashes spread.

1279
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:50,319
Speaker 2: A little bit of a silver line in there, right,

1280
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:52,560
you know, let me save some money on the funeral.

1281
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 1: I think they still had a funeral.

1282
01:08:56,399 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 2: Don't know what what what do you what are you

1283
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:01,960
paying them for? Empty suit, empty empty urn?

1284
01:09:03,119 --> 01:09:07,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, empty coffin. I don't know what they buried. But yeah,

1285
01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:10,720
that is the story of the man who should have been,

1286
01:09:11,159 --> 01:09:14,640
probably would have been the first Catholic president of the

1287
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:17,800
United States of America, the original Prince of Camelot.

1288
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 2: So FDR took him out.

1289
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 1: Look, I'm just saying it's FDR.

1290
01:09:24,279 --> 01:09:28,680
Speaker 2: Knew about Pearl Harbor, and FDR took out the Kennedy.

1291
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:30,199
Speaker 1: I'm just saying.

1292
01:09:30,119 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 2: Started the curse.

1293
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 1: Really, it's interesting that old Eliot was there.

1294
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:40,159
Speaker 2: I bet Eleanor two was doing fucking weird voodoo stuff.

1295
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:43,439
She was in like sex colts and shit.

1296
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 1: She probably bagging his mom.

1297
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:51,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she was definitely doing some demonic type rituals.

1298
01:09:51,399 --> 01:09:55,560
Speaker 1: I mean, go listen to Information Warfare to find out, yeah,

1299
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:57,840
all about what Eleanor Roosevelt.

1300
01:09:57,560 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 2: Was up to.

1301
01:09:58,159 --> 01:10:01,600
Speaker 1: She's up to some bad things, bad bad things. Information

1302
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:07,079
Warfare alex Jonsson, Alexander Jonsson, I'm sorry, he knew what

1303
01:10:07,119 --> 01:10:07,800
he was talking about.

1304
01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:09,079
Speaker 2: He was ahead of his time.

1305
01:10:09,159 --> 01:10:11,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I highly recommend listening to it on the Patreon

1306
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:16,159
New FDR was paralyzed yep, long before everyone else did.

1307
01:10:16,279 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 2: Nobody knew except him.

1308
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:19,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just pick me slaves that moved his feet

1309
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:20,560
for him news he.

1310
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:24,520
Speaker 2: Knew the truth. Yeah, it's like one of my favorite

1311
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:28,720
sketches we've done somehow, just off the cuff.

1312
01:10:29,239 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 1: It's because you were involved. When you get to be

1313
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:37,399
a part of it, you're like, I love that one. Well, well,

1314
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:40,680
we also Spitball, another great one that we're gonna do soon. Right,

1315
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:46,079
she'll be uh should we tease it? Uh? I could

1316
01:10:46,199 --> 01:10:50,199
give you like a working title, sure, three hundred the

1317
01:10:50,279 --> 01:10:50,840
early Years.

1318
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:53,680
Speaker 2: Yeah you can.

1319
01:10:54,119 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 1: You can let your mind play with that for a while.

1320
01:10:57,880 --> 01:10:59,079
Speaker 2: We're going to ancient Sparta.

1321
01:10:59,239 --> 01:11:04,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you can figure out with that. So check

1322
01:11:04,239 --> 01:11:04,560
it out.

1323
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 2: Pictureon dot com slash software history.

1324
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:11,279
Speaker 1: But that's that's all I got for today. What'd you learn?

1325
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:15,239
Speaker 2: I learned that Kennedy and the Roosevelts had fucking beef.

1326
01:11:15,359 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 1: They did, they legit did because Joe Junior didn't get

1327
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:21,119
the important position he wanted. I don't know what he wanted.

1328
01:11:21,159 --> 01:11:23,840
I didn't look that up, but ambassador is kind of

1329
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:29,920
a kid table situation, even to a country as important

1330
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:34,039
as the UK. It's kind of a whatever situation where

1331
01:11:34,079 --> 01:11:37,640
you sound important. Normy's will think you're important, but you

1332
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:39,479
know that you don't really do shit.

1333
01:11:42,239 --> 01:11:50,199
Speaker 2: We were also robbed of Joe perhaps turning this country around. Pathetic.

1334
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:53,399
You know, we could have prevented so many things.

1335
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 1: But when does he run? Because he would have been

1336
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:59,479
too young to run against Truman, and then JFK went

1337
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:00,800
right after, so he would have probably been on the

1338
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,880
same timeline as JFK. He would have run after Eisenhower Hower.

1339
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:06,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so he cuts his brother.

1340
01:12:06,319 --> 01:12:07,560
Speaker 1: He would have. I think he would have been old

1341
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:09,399
enough to run against Eisenhower.

1342
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:12,279
Speaker 2: But why would you That's a losing ticket.

1343
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no fucking way.

1344
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 2: I think you just delay JFK. He doesn't die, right

1345
01:12:18,159 --> 01:12:19,840
like JFK doesn't get assassinated.

1346
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:24,720
Speaker 1: No, JFK is lives a full, disgusting life if he doesn't.

1347
01:12:26,279 --> 01:12:28,239
If Joe Junior doesn't die, JFK doesn't you.

1348
01:12:28,279 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 2: We perhaps, you know, don't get involved in Vietnam.

1349
01:12:33,239 --> 01:12:35,560
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know how Joe Junior would have played out.

1350
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 2: Maybe he's the one that gets fucking domed in down.

1351
01:12:39,079 --> 01:12:42,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Joe Junior was always gonna get killed.

1352
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:45,640
Speaker 2: And then sir answer and takes out fucking you know.

1353
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 1: John, But it would have been by But then Bobby's

1354
01:12:48,119 --> 01:12:50,760
like just Scott free. Then I guess, well he still

1355
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:52,800
would have drowned a lady that nothing could have prevented that.

1356
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:56,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, just driving off a bridge.

1357
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,439
Speaker 1: But Bobby would have been even lower.

1358
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:01,039
Speaker 2: Say that town?

1359
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 1: What?

1360
01:13:02,399 --> 01:13:05,760
Speaker 2: How do you say that town again? Chap equittic, chapiquidtic.

1361
01:13:06,239 --> 01:13:08,239
Speaker 1: That one I somehow can do, just because I've heard

1362
01:13:08,279 --> 01:13:08,720
it so much.

1363
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:15,920
Speaker 2: But yeah, okay, who's Today's I'll never get that. It's fine,

1364
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:22,319
it's too many syllables, chap aquittic. Today's Hitler is probably,

1365
01:13:23,159 --> 01:13:27,119
I'm gonna say, Joe pre Brazilian.

1366
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:29,359
Speaker 1: Puss, nineteen year old Joe. Yeah, it's today's Hitler.

1367
01:13:29,359 --> 01:13:32,560
Speaker 2: Just edged Lord Joe. Oh yeah, college Joe.

1368
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:37,279
Speaker 1: I gotta say, uh, it was nice not seeing mongoloid's

1369
01:13:37,399 --> 01:13:41,399
running all over town like back in Boston.

1370
01:13:42,159 --> 01:13:45,279
Speaker 2: You know, I'll go into time though. You know, Eugenics

1371
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:46,359
was hot in the streets.

1372
01:13:46,399 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 1: It really was. It really was.

1373
01:13:48,239 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 2: You can't call people for getting aboard the hype train.

1374
01:13:52,319 --> 01:13:57,239
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, hold up a deck of Fenway pack gass him.

1375
01:13:59,079 --> 01:14:03,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, he definitely saw Boston for sports fans as like lesser.

1376
01:14:03,319 --> 01:14:08,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, I went to one Bruins game, but definitely the

1377
01:14:08,279 --> 01:14:13,039
Bruins fans never never again, never again, locked the doors

1378
01:14:13,119 --> 01:14:13,920
and burn it down?

1379
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 1: Hockey? Is the accent coming? Is it working now a

1380
01:14:19,079 --> 01:14:21,600
little bit? I mean you just gotta have the confidence. Yeah,

1381
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:24,239
it doesn't matter y Yeah, locked the doors and burn

1382
01:14:24,399 --> 01:14:28,920
it down. Cannot let a single Boston Bruins fan live

1383
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:29,560
their lives.

1384
01:14:31,279 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 2: It's hell. Yeah, I learned a lot.

1385
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:38,560
Speaker 1: Though people don't know a lot about Joe Junior. It's

1386
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:40,439
really just like he was supposed to be president. It's

1387
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:42,319
a fun one. If died in a bomber, it's just

1388
01:14:42,399 --> 01:14:45,359
a fun what if. Yeah, it is. And also his

1389
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,239
letter from Germany's fun. Not the best postcard.

1390
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:52,159
Speaker 2: You know, we all have some things we regret.

1391
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:57,319
Speaker 1: I just like that his face, his like cringe Facebook

1392
01:14:57,359 --> 01:15:02,880
status is immortalized. You know, I got nothing against the Jews,

1393
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:06,319
but uh, you know, they had to pick somebody, and

1394
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:11,359
I suppose it was the old sons of Abraham over

1395
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:12,319
in Germany.

1396
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, at least he saw the light finally after

1397
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:22,000
he got you know, some some baddie from South America.

1398
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 1: She's today's Churchill of the story.

1399
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:27,560
Speaker 2: I don't know if we can make Churchill thing.

1400
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 1: She's the good guy of the story.

1401
01:15:30,079 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 2: I don't know Churchill a good guy.

1402
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:34,520
Speaker 1: The only reason it's Churchill is because the one I know,

1403
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:37,760
the one historian was he's a bad guy. It's like,

1404
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:39,720
I don't know if that's true. Not a great guy,

1405
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:41,439
but not the bad guy of that story.

1406
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:47,399
Speaker 2: But yeah, dude, she's a She was, she was something

1407
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:50,760
especially for the time. Oh my god, the great looking gal.

1408
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:56,319
Speaker 1: Absolutely to me, she fucked the Nazi out of Joe Junior.

1409
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:58,880
Oh yeah, while looking like.

1410
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:01,079
Speaker 2: A Nazi fucking call him Winnie the Pooh, Because I'd

1411
01:16:01,079 --> 01:16:02,680
be all up in that honeypot.

1412
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:08,359
Speaker 1: About to oh bother this bitch.

1413
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:11,239
Speaker 2: Yeah mobile And just like when I wouldn't be taking

1414
01:16:11,279 --> 01:16:14,520
my shirt off right, wouldn't even want to waste the

1415
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:16,119
time when I want, well, i'd get right to it.

1416
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:19,199
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a sort of a bent over the table,

1417
01:16:19,319 --> 01:16:22,000
pants around the ankles situation. Just can't waste a second.

1418
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:23,479
The veteran's too far away.

1419
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:24,159
Speaker 2: Well became of her.

1420
01:16:25,319 --> 01:16:27,279
Speaker 1: She lived a long, happy life from what I saw.

1421
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:29,640
She died, and I think, like I might have said,

1422
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:31,399
like two thousand and five or something like that, sick.

1423
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:34,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was good to go, just someone's grandma. She

1424
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:36,359
was a rich lady, like she was a socialite.

1425
01:16:36,399 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't she wasn't just some like random personal spot. Yeah,

1426
01:16:40,079 --> 01:16:42,239
that's a good person, make a spot, you travel. It's

1427
01:16:42,279 --> 01:16:44,159
not weird that you would travel to those places, you

1428
01:16:44,239 --> 01:16:44,600
know what I mean?

1429
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:47,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean they do that in

1430
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:48,840
Ingloria's Bastards.

1431
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:53,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. Literally, yeah, it's the same type of thing. But yeah,

1432
01:16:53,319 --> 01:16:54,840
that's all I got for today. That's the story of

1433
01:16:55,079 --> 01:16:56,800
the man who should have been the first Catholic president,

1434
01:16:57,560 --> 01:16:58,319
Joe Juniah.

1435
01:16:58,479 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 2: We'll never know what would have happened.

1436
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:01,560
Speaker 1: And by the way, you can't. I know Al Smith

1437
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:04,159
was the first person to run as a Catholic, but

1438
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:06,279
he was never aware he shouldn't have been the first.

1439
01:17:06,319 --> 01:17:07,479
He wouldn't have been the first.

1440
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:09,359
Speaker 2: Even I should question he didn't have that charisma.

1441
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:10,079
Speaker 1: No, I didn't have that.

1442
01:17:10,199 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 2: Riz wasn't you know talking up his older sister's friends.

1443
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:17,199
Speaker 1: Nope, no older sisters Ral Smith that I'm aware of.

1444
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:18,479
He might actually have several.

1445
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:21,560
Speaker 2: I have no idea whatever he did he utilized it well.

1446
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:25,119
Speaker 1: Nope, none. But yeah, it's all I got for today.

1447
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:27,600
So for Darren, Jess Round, Robin Fox and dis Guts

1448
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:27,960
saw ser