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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to episode nineteen of Wickedly Weird with

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Jerry and Amanda.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jerry and I'm Amanda.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Amanda, this story is we discussed this a little

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bit off the air without telling you any details. But

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this story is in your neck of the woods. It's

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from twenty seventeen. There's a good shot that you might

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know the story, but I'm banking if you do, you

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don't know the whole.

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Speaker 2: Story, all right, shoot me?

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, first of all, how was your weekly?

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We'd like to get that out in the beginning.

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Speaker 2: I do. I was gonna bring it up, and then

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you brought it up and have to worry about it.

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So I've had like very like just because it's a holiday.

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So I'm just constantly like doing something. Tomorrow we have

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our holiday party at work. Well it's just like going

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out with a group of friends. And then next week

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is like are the whole company party. I'm gonna like

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paint a ceramic tree. I can't wait to do that.

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But I mean, like really nothing like crazy because I

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haven't been able to like be out in the public,

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like come around my whole family. So I'm just living

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my best life although my mother was not thrilled with me.

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Remember did I tell you how I went to a jamboree?

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Speaker 1: I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: First of all, what is the chambourree? Is that like

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a sporting thing where you have a lot of teams.

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Speaker 2: Together, calling it like it's a cabaret. I lied, not

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a jamboree cabaret, but like our like our waitresses and

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waiters wore our entertainment. It was like a holiday thing.

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But I want the fucking old people cull. And my

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mom got sick and had COVID and couldn't come. So

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I was like, oh man, I'm like, okay, well all

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the cat's away the mice play. So I'm like, I'm

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gonna I'm gonna get a little stoned with my cousin

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and my best friend. But my mom doesn't know that

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I smoke marijuana. I don't know why I just said that,

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Why I smoke marijuana? We're weirdo. Anyways, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how she doesn't know this. It's like

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your house just seems like it'd be a place where

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everything is a bong of some sort, like maybe the

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spatula in the kitchen and some type of a bong slash.

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Speaker 2: No no, no, no no, it's very PG when you

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step out of my computer room. So anyways, I get

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this phone call because my cousin like didn't know that

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my mom didn't know. And my mom calls me and

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she's like, I have a phone to pick with you.

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And I was like, I'm like, what are this going on.

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She's like, you were smoking pot with the pipe and

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I was like, what the who bought you the pipe?

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I'm like, oh my god, I'm not a crackhead. Like

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I'm gonna be at a fucking jingle jingle jamboree with

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like people all under the age of oll I guess

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over the age of seventy. They're all old and nuts

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and they was guy with a one leg.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, average age is deceased.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. So anyways, and so she's pissed at

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me and she's like, you know that you have asthma.

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And I was like, oh my god, I'm like I

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grew out of it. No you did. I'm like, okay,

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I guess I didn't. She was like, you better throw that,

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you better throw that down the toilet and throw that

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pipe out. And I was like Jesus marrying Joseph. It

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was just and then I'm like, oh, it was a

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one time thing, Like I just thought it would be fun.

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I'm going to Hell in a handasket. That's where I'm going,

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one way ticket. He's found trained later, so.

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Speaker 1: Like whatever.

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Speaker 2: So she was pissed but hasn't brought it up since.

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And this night was a fever dream. It didn't feel real.

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Let me set the stage for you. This was kind

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of a long one, so bear with me. We get

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there and like, I'm next to this guy with one leg.

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I call him one Leg Jim. That's not his real name.

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I don't know what his real name is, but he's wild.

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He's like eighty five. He used to being like an

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Olympic trainer some shit. I don't know, but he's horrible.

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He's a very like he's just me, Like he's just something.

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I got there and he's fucking writing out checks to

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pay bills. I'm like whatever. So anyways, they played Sweet

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Caroline and he took his crutch and he was like

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raising the roof with this crutch and I'm like, what

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is going on? And then there was like a dominic

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donkey that comes on and a guy and a donkey

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mask comes out and it's just wild. Then he screams

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at the top of his lungs, get bad ass over here.

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I said, one leg, Pete, what are you doing?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one leg, Pete. There's one leg, okay.

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Speaker 2: So anyways, so then the donkey comes along and I'll

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have to send you a picture. It was just out

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of hand. It was out of hand. It was an

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out of hand time, and it's fine. Everything was fine.

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My mom was pissed. She didn't even she wasn't even there.

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Speaker 1: I think that's so funny that she didn't even realize

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that you did it at all. Because I don't as

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close as you and your mom are, that's kind of

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surprising to me that she's hold secret.

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Speaker 2: So I don't drink with her and I do not

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let her know what my social life is like, just

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because I just keep that because she's very judgmental. I mean,

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like it's her age. I think too, it's that like generation,

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which is fine, So I just kind of keep it

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like very you're my parent, I'm your daughter. I'm not

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going to cross these bounds with you. And she does

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does not know what my like her super deep personal

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life is with my friends. She doesn't know that this

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is what I do like and I and she's like,

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I don't you know, I don't want my I don't

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do it in front of my kids. They wouldn't have

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a clue. You wouldn't know. I do it, like at

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the end of the day, right before I'm going to bed.

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I have a anxiety and ADHD and it helps with

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a lot of that. So that's for me, that's my choice, right.

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But my mom is so against it. She's like, no, no, Now,

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I'm like, okay, you probably smoked how much bought you

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grew up in the seventies. Come on, man, I mean

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it is what it is, and it's fine. It's just

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I mean, do your kids partake.

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Speaker 1: I know one of them has, I know two of

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them has. The third one hasn't. He's just he's straight

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and urrow kind of like I am.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they do now, but they have in

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the past.

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Speaker 2: So did you find out or did they tell you?

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Speaker 1: Oh? I mean my daughter was a handful. I mean

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she literally went to school drunk in Lexington and got

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kicked out of school when she was like sixteen. And

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I mean that's what caused her to come live with me.

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And then she was always on something. Yeah, it was

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it was an issue, but she grew out of it.

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Now she's a very respectful director of several daycares.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And my oldest son, I mean, it was just

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he was in trouble all the time too, back when

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he was young. So yeah, it didn't take much for

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me to find out.

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Speaker 2: They Yeah, I just like don't. Yeah, I don't. I

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was just very very I don't know, like, I just don't.

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It's just the way it is around here, around these parts.

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Speaker 1: So all right, let's let's get into the story.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Wait, how was your week? How was your week?

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Speaker 1: We'll get to mine afterwards, because we've we were late

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in getting into the store. You know, some people like

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to complain, so we'll talk about mine afterwards. Okay, because

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I have a surprise to share with people that nobody,

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for the most part, nobody knows. You've known for a

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couple of weeks. But all right, Amanda, let's get into

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the story. This took place in Brookline, Massachusetts, which, fun fact,

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is the birthplace of John F. Kennedy. M We're gonna

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talk about Sheryl Waldman and her sister Linda Now. They

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grew up in this beautiful, huge house in the nineteen

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fifties in Brooklyn. Cheryl went off to attend the University

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of Wisconsin, but after college she ended up returning to

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live with her sister Linda. Then, over the years, Cheryl

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became a recluse, which her sister Linda also did, so

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the sisters would live there and nobody would ever see them.

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That did for decades. The two shared the home together

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and Linda was the oldest by six years, so Cheryl

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was a little bit younger than her. This home was

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four thousand square feet, so I guess they weren't exactly

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on top of each other, so you can kind of

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spread out a little. That was just two of you.

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They used to have a huge Jewish family that will

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spent a lot of time at the home, but that

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bitterly fell apart over the years. People would get a

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glimpse of Cheryl's outgoing personality sometimes over the years, but

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even that went away, and just like her name did,

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she eventually started to be known as Hope Wheaton, so

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she completely changed her name, which is odd for somebody

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who doesn't associate with anybody, so no one's really sure

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why she changed her name. This beautiful home soon started

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to fall into disrepair. They just couldn't keep up with it.

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The shuttered windows, the collapsed porches, and the broken gutters

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kind of gave it an abandoned home look. By twenty sixteen,

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people began to call the police and the health inspector

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and the State Elder Protective Service agency. This is mainly

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because by this time Cheryl was in her late sixties

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and her sister Linda was in her early seventies. But

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Linda would always stand at the doorway and tell them

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to basically they were fine and just go away and

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get off their property. She sounds fun.

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Speaker 2: Oh, she sounds like a decrepit.

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Speaker 1: So the enforcement officers number which agency they're with, they

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would they would just listen. They would leave no follow up.

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They had no idea what secret that this house would contain.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I was it dead people?

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't give you answers, but I'll let

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you speculate. So back in the nineteen fifties, we're gonna

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go back a little bit. This house was extravagant with

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the Waldman family and the Carver family both living here together.

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They owned a company together, and they lived together. There

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were six children between the two families. Now, the two

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families celebrated Passover and all the high holy holidays together.

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They also celebrated at the wedding of the two Carver sons.

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For whatever reason, the four women children never married. That

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was three of them on one side and one on

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the other. Yeah, it's kind of odd.

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Speaker 2: Especially, the whole thing is really weird.

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Speaker 1: So Linda and Cheryl were relatively tall, slender brunettes. Linda

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was the more quiet studios when Cheryl was a little

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more you know, a little less studious, I should say,

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but she was more fun. She was kind of the

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party girl. Now, all this sounds like the Waldmans and

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the Carvers had a great relationship, and they did at

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one point. But in the mid sixties, that company that

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the Waldman's and Carvers owned, well, it was called Waldwarf Company,

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by the way, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: What oh Waldf oh, okay.

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Speaker 1: But it started to kind of struggle a little bit.

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Soon they were hounded by credit. Both the fathers of

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each family filed for bankruptcy. Then they established joint family trust. Now,

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this was designed to protect the properties because they had

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a couple other properties besides this mansion. Okay, in the

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years to come, the oldest Waldman child, which was Toby,

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and Toby's a girl, by the way, Okay, that's time

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I've heard of Toby, that was female.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: And Thomas Carver, who was the oldest of the Carver family.

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They started taking a bigger role in the company and

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they became the heads of their family's trust as well. Now,

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Jacob Waldman he was a different son. He was an

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executive with the company, and Toby and Thomas didn't really

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like the job that he was doing or how much

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money he made. They felt like that he was severely overpaid.

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Jacob and Joseph's relationship had already been fractured, so this

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just made it even worse. Now, while all this was

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going on, Martha Waldman, who was the mother, she found

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out that she was dying of colon cancer.

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Speaker 2: Oh geez.

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Speaker 1: Linda, who had just graduated from the University of Chicago,

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and Cheryl, who was at Wisconsin came back home to

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help out, but Martha died in nineteen sixty nine at

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sixty years old. Two girls went back to school, but

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eventually they ended up back at the house. As we

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discussed earlier, now, the members of the Carver family and

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their sister Toby were moving into new homes in downtown

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Boston or the suburbs, so this house was pretty much

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empty except for the two sisters. This is when the

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two families started a bitter fight over finances, and long

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story short, in nineteen eighty legal battles started between the

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Carvers and the Waldmans, and it only got worse from there.

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Joseph Carver wanted the assets separated Toby Waldman and the

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Thomas Carver terminated Jacob and you can just fire your brother.

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Speaker 2: Sam terminating.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they terminated his employment that exact same year. Now,

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this caused him to sue his oldest daughter in nineteen

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eighty two for breach of rural argument because she said

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that he could work with the company as long as

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he wanted to.

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Speaker 2: Obviously that was nothing that sounds made up.

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Speaker 1: And then Daddy Walden, he jumped into our Waldman. I

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said he jumped in to protect the house because this

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is where Cheryl and Linda lived. He said that he

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felt like that they had been defrauded. He said the

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legal trials had been especially hard on Linda and the

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family had destroyed her. So Linda and Ryl began to

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worry about being frozen out of their share of the

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family's fortune. They hired attorneys, and they began to distrust everybody,

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including their own attorneys. So this goes on forever, but

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eventually the sisters settled and they were able to keep

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the house and some other finances. In the years that followed,

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the sisters became basically hermits. They spent all their time

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behind shuttered windows.

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Speaker 2: Oh why did you just think at me when you

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said it like that? You said, shuttered windows? Okay, Bniza's food.

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Speaker 1: Well, I hadn't been making much eye contact with you.

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I didn't want you to think that I was.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm fine. I just I wasn't expecting you to

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do it at that part.

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Speaker 1: Well, sometimes at night, the two sisters would put on

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oversized clothes and then they would walk to a nearby

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store Yep, you heard me. Oh. Neighbors said that they

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would occasionally see the sisters when you know, they would

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inter interact with delivery.

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Speaker 2: Drivers or okay, oversized supposed to go out. I got

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to do that later. But I'm oversized supposed to go out?

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Speaker 1: You always have oversized clothes on.

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Speaker 2: I do. I always have like sweatshirts on and sweatpants.

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I would ease a temple, All right, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: So sometimes they would like rake their lawn, but they

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would always keep their backs to the street so passer

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bys couldn't see their face.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, something's wrong. I don't know the story. Something's wrong.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to tell you the surprising conclusion right

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after this, quick sponsor break, All right, Amanda, so I said.

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In twenty sixteen, neighbors started calling the authorities for welfare

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checks and such. In twenty seventeen, Linda called a cousin

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because they had no heat or running water and it

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was wintertime. She thought maybe the pipes were probably frozen.

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So a different cousin, who happened to be a social

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worker by trade, she came over to pick up Linda.

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Once she got there, she asked if Cheryl was going

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to be coming as well, when Linda said that they

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would see when they got inside. When they went inside,

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the cousin discovered Cheryl's decomposing bull under the kitchen table.

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Speaker 2: Why.

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Speaker 1: The cousin took Linda over to a relative and she

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called the police. Linda said that Cheryl had gotten ill

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about a year ago, and sometimes when she got ill,

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she would fall, and when she'd fall, Linda would give

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her water and fudge sickles until she was better. That's right.

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Who knew medicine and stuff? Who needs that? You got fudgicicles.

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Speaker 2: You get some funticles. Yum yum. I'm gonna use that

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when I'm really feeling down on the dumbs.

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Speaker 1: I know one time I used to I ate some

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really spicy chicken chicken from his place called Indies, and

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when I pooped, it felt like I was shitting battery acid.

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And I was this close. I was this close to

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putting a popsicle up my butt, and the only thing

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that doing it was the fear that somebody would walk

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in and catch me.

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Speaker 2: I wish you did it. What a story, but.

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Speaker 1: Ever, but that made me think about you know what

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if the only thing in the fridge would a freezer

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would have been it would have been like a fudgsicle,

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and then I would have went to the gym or

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something somebody been like, hey, you shit your pants and

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it's a fugsicicle. Ate some indies.

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Speaker 2: Like a battery ass. I wrote, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, So the fudge sickles didn't work this time, and

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she didn't get better. Linda said she didn't really know

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what to do, so she just left her there for

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a year.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's nasty.

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Speaker 1: It's like I said, it's estimated that she'd been dead

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for about a year.

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Speaker 2: So oh no, no, oh, under the table.

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Speaker 1: So about a month after Linda was moved out of

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the home, a Boston Globe reporter went to her hotel

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room where she was staying, and when asked about her

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sister's death, she calmly asked the reporter to go away

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and not ask questions. When asked again, she said, I'm

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not a lunatic. It's a tragedy. And the last update

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I actually have on this is Linda has asked permission

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to have the house demolished, but I think it's on

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some type of a historical list, so they're and I

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had to have special permission to do it. But she

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still owns it. And but that's the story that's from

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not too far from you.

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Speaker 2: From that, I don't know, I don't feel like i've

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heard that one. But like what, but no, no one thought,

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no one thought to go into the house that whole time.

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Speaker 1: No because they kept calling people out to and when.

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Speaker 2: And when they would say no.

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Speaker 1: Everything's fine, nobody pushed it. Oh, the neighbors were realizing

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they hadn't seen Sheryl in a while. But at the

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same time, these women were hermits.

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Speaker 2: So like, so was she eating at the kitchen table?

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Like what? I don't understand.

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Speaker 1: This is a lot I don't I don't know what

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where she was when she died, but she died, I

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don't know. They did an autopsy, but it was inconclusive.

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They did say that it didn't look like any foul

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play was at work.

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Speaker 2: There, but I under the table, okay, whatever, I guess

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it really fucked up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a that's you know. And obviously and there

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was no charges pressed against Linda. I think that they

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just figured she's uh not.

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Speaker 2: Just imagine if she did really do it and she

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just got away with a freaking murder and played dumb

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and murder. Oh I'm crazy, Yeah, But I mean, oh man,

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how do you just deal with that all the time?

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Speaker 1: You know, you gotta think that if you just don't

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associate with anybody but the same person for forty years

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or something, it was something like that, fifty years, you

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would think that that probably would have a psychological effect

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on you. That's why they they had so many problems

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with lighthouse keepers back in the day. Just I mean,

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it was just they went berserk and they'd killed their

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families and everything else because they would just be stuck

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up there in solitude. That's why solitary confinement back when

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they did Eastern State Penitentiary, and the goal was to

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keep them quiet and keep them separated. That didn't work.

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I mean, it just it just caused them to go crazy.

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Speaker 2: Oh man. Yeah, I actually keep reminding myself that this

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was like in current times, not the eighteen hundred.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this was literally five years ago, seven years ago.

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Speaker 2: Jesus wild.

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Speaker 1: All right, So I said I had some news when this.

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By the time this comes out, literally we're going to

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be in the middle of sept the middle of January,

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so by that time it's everybody else will have already known.

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But Tracy and I are actually moving from Kentucky to

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Daytona Beach, Florida.

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Speaker 2: Whoop. I'm so excited for you guys.

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Speaker 1: It will be two and a half miles from the

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beach in a retirement community, and it's basically just because

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health conditions and everything. I just I just have to

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take it easy. Yeah, she needs to take it easy.

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And we're still going to be doing all the podcasts,

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but we're not gonna be doing as much traveling and

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stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, take it relaxed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have to do long or any kind

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of yard work or anything there. Yeah, it's all going

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to be done. But we're buying a house there in

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this community and we're looking forward to it. As we're recording.

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It's December thirteenth, yep. As we record this episode on

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a Wednesday. We're supposed to close on the house on

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Friday the fifteenth, but we're not moving until the end

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of January, so about the time this comes out, we'll

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be partially there. We're taking our time. It's expensive as

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hell to move out of state. It's eight hundred miles away.

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Just to rent a U haul with me doing all

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the work and just a U haul, it's like eleven

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hundred dollars. And that's not counting gas.

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, we spend.

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Speaker 1: One hundred and forty dollars in gas the last time

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we went down there, just in my small car. That's great.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, it's gonna be like thousands of dollars in gas.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well it'd be it'd be probably three hundred, four

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hundred dollars. But and I don't have the ability to

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load this stuff and unload it anymore. I used to,

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but uh, I just I just don't have it. I

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have no energy and I want to. Yeah, and my

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heart feels like that it could do it. But if

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I do anything at all for ten minutes, I'm completely

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out of breath and have to sit down and you can't.

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Speaker 2: Can't do it.

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Speaker 1: That's what it is. But we're looking forward to it.

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Speaker 2: It would be nice.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it is beautiful, all right, Amanda. That wraps it

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up for us this night.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, I will see you next Wednesday, yes, ma'am.

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Whye bye