1 00:00:04,799 --> 00:00:08,199 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Sasquatch Theory. Today, I'm joined by Mark 2 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:11,759 and Roberta to discuss a series of experiences that Mark 3 00:00:11,839 --> 00:00:15,720 says began while deer hunting in Oklahoma during the nineteen eighties. 4 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,199 Before we begin, I want to mention that this interview 5 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:24,719 contained some very extraordinary claims. Some aspects of Mark's story 6 00:00:25,199 --> 00:00:28,879 go far beyond the typical bigfoot encounter and may be 7 00:00:29,079 --> 00:00:33,119 difficult for many people to believe. My goal of Sasquatch 8 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,560 Theory has always been to provide a platform where people 9 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,840 can share their personal experiences in their own words. I 10 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,320 don't claim to know what happened, and I don't ask 11 00:00:43,359 --> 00:00:48,520 my audience to accept every details fact. Instead, I encourage 12 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:52,439 everyone to listen with an open mind, think critically, and 13 00:00:52,799 --> 00:00:56,759 come to their own conclusions. With that being said, let's 14 00:00:56,799 --> 00:01:00,000 hear Mark and Roberta's story from the state of Oklahoma. 15 00:01:16,879 --> 00:01:19,959 All right, Roberta, Mark, Welcome to Sasquatch Theory. How are 16 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:20,840 you guys doing today? 17 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 2: Right? 18 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:22,719 Speaker 3: Good? 19 00:01:23,879 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: That is absolutely amazing, and I am so glad to 20 00:01:26,799 --> 00:01:29,400 hear that. If you would put me in your shoes 21 00:01:29,439 --> 00:01:32,079 and walk me through every single experience that you've had 22 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:33,000 throughout your life. 23 00:01:33,599 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 2: I'm Mark Rutlidge and I lived in Oklahoma and my 24 00:01:41,079 --> 00:01:48,560 siding was in eighty three and I had another siding 25 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,159 in ninety three, but in eighty three. 26 00:01:53,079 --> 00:01:57,799 Speaker 4: It started in eighty two. It was me and my dad. 27 00:01:58,799 --> 00:01:59,920 We went hunting. 28 00:02:01,079 --> 00:02:08,879 Speaker 2: Elgin, Hansas is right there on the border of Oklahoma. 29 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:17,159 And we got there Friday and glen sed open Saturday, 30 00:02:17,719 --> 00:02:23,560 and so we was there and uh, it rained. It 31 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:29,240 rained Saturday all day, and so we was watching it rain, 32 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:35,919 and so it finally stopped that evening, and so we 33 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:41,039 went down right there on the border and there's a 34 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:47,159 big field and we went in there and we saw 35 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:53,159 an Oklahoma uh one of those that sticks in the 36 00:02:53,319 --> 00:02:58,960 ground and says Oklahoma Wildlife Conservation. And we was talking 37 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,360 about it, and so I I told Dad, I was 38 00:03:02,439 --> 00:03:04,120 just going down and. 39 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:07,479 Speaker 4: Look to this area. 40 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,879 Speaker 2: And so when I got up there, I heard this 41 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:18,719 truck hank his horn and I look and it looked 42 00:03:18,759 --> 00:03:22,039 like a ranger. So I got down and I started 43 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,919 walking in my clip elme Agun. 44 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 4: I got my my. 45 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,479 Speaker 2: I was safed up and I was walking out there 46 00:03:33,879 --> 00:03:37,960 and my dad was talking to the guys and I 47 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,879 got up there. I said, what's the matter. He said, guys, 48 00:03:40,919 --> 00:03:42,319 you know you're in Kansas. 49 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 4: I said what I said, No, I got a map. 50 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:51,199 Speaker 2: And so my dad said, come here, guys, I'm going 51 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:52,039 to show you something. 52 00:03:52,039 --> 00:03:52,159 Speaker 4: Man. 53 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:56,159 Speaker 2: And he showed you that thing, and I can't believe it. 54 00:03:56,280 --> 00:04:02,319 They looked at me and him and I saw that 55 00:04:02,479 --> 00:04:09,479 and they said, oh my god. We wrote Hicketts. I 56 00:04:09,479 --> 00:04:14,800 mean Hicketts on the out here and I said, well, 57 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,519 that's wrong. Here, it's Oklahoma. 58 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 4: So after that. 59 00:04:21,879 --> 00:04:26,399 Speaker 2: We went to our our there was a little small 60 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:31,560 camp there, and we was talking about the guys and 61 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:36,360 he wanted to go to this place. So, okay, we 62 00:04:36,399 --> 00:04:39,839 went to this place and there was probably four guys 63 00:04:40,399 --> 00:04:43,240 was coming out of doves. You know, they killed a 64 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,920 doe and he was hauling it up. 65 00:04:45,959 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 4: Were sitting there. Uh. He had an overhead camper. 66 00:04:50,439 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 2: And I said, man, this is a good place, dad, 67 00:04:53,199 --> 00:04:55,319 And so we you know, sit there. 68 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 4: And I got out. 69 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,639 Speaker 2: And and he stayed in because you know, he likes 70 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:05,439 to go and. 71 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,399 Speaker 4: Eat and talk and all that. 72 00:05:07,639 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 2: So I went and uh, I climbed up in this 73 00:05:15,519 --> 00:05:21,399 free and uh, and I was looking around and so 74 00:05:21,959 --> 00:05:24,959 it was kind of getting late, and I thought, I 75 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:30,279 uh seen something, so I got down and I. 76 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 4: Walked on in. Well. 77 00:05:32,519 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 2: The next year is eighty three. So we it was 78 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:45,040 me and my dad and my two brothers and we 79 00:05:45,079 --> 00:05:50,600 was there and that night, uh it seemed like it 80 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:51,639 was real. Uh. 81 00:05:52,079 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 4: I was my dad and me was up on top. 82 00:05:55,360 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 2: My brothers was on the side, and it yeah, you know, 83 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,160 I heard like a uh siren. 84 00:06:07,199 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 4: And I mean it's like really, I mean it. 85 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,439 Speaker 2: It sounded like it was out there and and I 86 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:22,160 was uh yelling, and my dad my brother thought I 87 00:06:22,199 --> 00:06:26,560 was having a nightmare. And so they finally got me 88 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,800 calm down. I said, I said, you didn't hear him, no, mark, 89 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:37,279 he was having a nightmare. And so my brother he 90 00:06:37,399 --> 00:06:42,360 shot one a flat point and he took it home. 91 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:48,639 And that night man dad was sitting there and my 92 00:06:48,759 --> 00:06:49,600 dad saw. 93 00:06:49,399 --> 00:06:52,439 Speaker 4: A big old buck. 94 00:06:52,519 --> 00:06:55,639 Speaker 2: He said, there's a big old buck and it was 95 00:06:55,720 --> 00:07:03,639 crossing and uh at night, I said, okay. So that 96 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:14,199 morning I was we went back home and the the 97 00:07:14,519 --> 00:07:19,360 it was dough day and I was at work and 98 00:07:19,759 --> 00:07:25,319 I was going to take h you know, half day off, 99 00:07:26,399 --> 00:07:30,279 and my boss said, is about nine o'clock right time? 100 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 4: He said, March is gone. 101 00:07:32,399 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 2: I said, okay, So I had my stuff and that 102 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:40,839 in the car with me. And on the way up there, 103 00:07:41,319 --> 00:07:45,560 I got out of Barsville, probably eight miles and I 104 00:07:45,639 --> 00:07:48,639 had the radio on. Now I listened rock and roll 105 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,639 and it just it was just plain as clear. All 106 00:07:54,680 --> 00:08:02,399 of a sudden, the radio stopped and this girl said, hurry, Mark, hurry, 107 00:08:02,519 --> 00:08:08,720 hurry in my foot. Somehow I just came down and 108 00:08:08,839 --> 00:08:12,439 I don't know how fast I was going, but I 109 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:14,959 got there about. 110 00:08:16,279 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 4: Before twelve o'clock. 111 00:08:20,079 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 2: And I had a lunch and I thought, I'll go 112 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:31,000 out there. And I found this spot and I was 113 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,600 looking around. I thought, okay, you know, I got the 114 00:08:33,639 --> 00:08:36,240 wind to myself and it looked good. So I was 115 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,399 sitting there, you ate my lunch, and after I ate, 116 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,879 I had to go to the bathroom. So I went 117 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,840 to the bathroom and you know, I hid my thing 118 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,480 and I covered it up, and so I said, and 119 00:08:51,519 --> 00:08:56,559 the relaxing, and all of a sudden I heard, you know, 120 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,759 like a twig break, and I was going to turn around, 121 00:09:00,159 --> 00:09:04,399 and she goes, don't turn around, and I said why, 122 00:09:05,279 --> 00:09:08,720 And you know, she said, I'm ugly. I said, in 123 00:09:08,759 --> 00:09:16,799 God's eye, and nobody's ugly. And we was talking and 124 00:09:17,399 --> 00:09:23,200 I uh, in my pack. I said, uh, you want 125 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:29,039 to eat a snicker? I said, you know, she said yeah. 126 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,720 So I gave her and she was going to put 127 00:09:32,759 --> 00:09:36,320 it in her mouth, and I uh raised my head 128 00:09:36,399 --> 00:09:38,600 up there and I took it away from her and 129 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:44,120 then piled the paper and I gave her and she goes. 130 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,960 She just smiled. She goes, I mean, her little lips 131 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:56,200 just came, you know, real wide. And I said, okay. 132 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:01,360 And you know, she gave me. It was like too 133 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:07,440 leaves and she kind of rolled them up and she 134 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:13,039 goes here and it was kind of tart, and I said, 135 00:10:13,039 --> 00:10:16,080 oh good. And you know, she asked me, she goes 136 00:10:17,039 --> 00:10:20,200 where you live? And I show her, you know, in 137 00:10:20,279 --> 00:10:25,840 a house, and I live in a big, you know, 138 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:33,879 big city, and so I said, well, where do you live? 139 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:38,240 And she said, it's not far from here. I said, okay. 140 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:44,799 And when she at first before that, when I asked her, 141 00:10:44,879 --> 00:10:50,440 she pointed, she pointed at me and then up to 142 00:10:50,519 --> 00:10:54,759 the sky or I don't know if I got that reverse. 143 00:10:55,159 --> 00:10:59,480 She pointed the sky or me, and she said, you 144 00:10:59,519 --> 00:11:00,120 want to see. 145 00:11:00,879 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 4: Where I lived? I said, yeah, sure, if it's not 146 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:08,279 too far. She goes, no, it's not far. And so 147 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,000 she said, here, grab my hand. 148 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 2: I grabbed my hand, and all of a sudden, a light, 149 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,799 bright light, and she said, don't be afraid. 150 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:21,159 Speaker 4: I said, I'm afraid. 151 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:27,159 Speaker 2: And so we went and walked and when we walked through, 152 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:34,559 it's like an old TV sat. White was steady, and 153 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,200 I was walking through and all of a sudden, I 154 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:52,120 saw the hut and when I went inside, her mom 155 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:59,919 she came in and she had a bowl and you know, 156 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,600 she gave me before and I drunk it and it's 157 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:11,879 real tart and it was good. And after that it 158 00:12:11,879 --> 00:12:12,960 it kind of got it. 159 00:12:13,279 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 4: You know. 160 00:12:13,519 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 2: I wish I you know, you know hypotis, because I forgot. 161 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:25,840 But I woke up and the bear rug was over me, 162 00:12:26,639 --> 00:12:34,639 bear uh bear skin, and I pulled it away and 163 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:35,279 I put. 164 00:12:35,039 --> 00:12:38,799 Speaker 4: My stuff on and I pulled my arm. 165 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,519 Speaker 2: The bear skin was covering the door, and I pulled 166 00:12:42,519 --> 00:12:47,360 my arm and I looked outside and it was still white, 167 00:12:47,519 --> 00:12:55,679 but not steady. And I saw this tall guy and 168 00:12:55,919 --> 00:13:04,679 he had long arms, real thin. He had a loincloth rounding, 169 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:09,759 and he had long hair, and he was walking beside 170 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:15,960 It looked like a wolf or a coyote. And they 171 00:13:16,639 --> 00:13:20,120 walked past me and I heard them you know, talk 172 00:13:20,159 --> 00:13:25,240 about me, and she really wanted me. She cried, she 173 00:13:25,399 --> 00:13:28,200 was crying, and I can hear I guess her dad, 174 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:32,279 and he said no, he was going to dark. No, no. 175 00:13:33,399 --> 00:13:42,159 And so I a little a sudden, I started, uh 176 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:48,919 in my mind and I hip flashbacks my mom, my 177 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:55,120 girlfriend and all that, and so I saw where I 178 00:13:54,679 --> 00:14:00,080 came in at. So I just walked on out. And 179 00:14:00,159 --> 00:14:02,559 when I was walking on out, all of a sudden, 180 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:12,399 it kind of got real colorful and uh black and white. 181 00:14:12,399 --> 00:14:19,159 Speaker 4: It was uh colored. And I picked up my. 182 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 2: Pack and my gun because she didn't want me to 183 00:14:25,399 --> 00:14:26,480 bring my gun. 184 00:14:26,759 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 4: Because they didn't like that. 185 00:14:29,759 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 2: So when I got back and got my pack on 186 00:14:33,799 --> 00:14:37,879 and I had to go south to come and pick 187 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:42,039 up my wind to hear, I was still you know, 188 00:14:42,279 --> 00:14:47,159 hear hunting, and I was kind of when I was walking, 189 00:14:47,399 --> 00:14:51,320 I felt like I was real like drunk or cut 190 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:58,360 a woe. And I was walking and uh, I knew 191 00:14:58,639 --> 00:15:02,000 where I was going to go. I kept hearing off 192 00:15:03,039 --> 00:15:12,120 and I can hear them say turn, turn, and so 193 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:16,200 I turned and I knew where I was going because 194 00:15:16,679 --> 00:15:21,480 there was a fencer and I crossed the fence and 195 00:15:21,919 --> 00:15:24,360 there was a rock and I was sitting there and 196 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:28,200 I had to get some water, and I saw I 197 00:15:28,159 --> 00:15:32,720 was sitting there, and I saw this greenfield about maybe 198 00:15:32,759 --> 00:15:35,639 one hundred and seventy five out and I was kind 199 00:15:35,639 --> 00:15:39,840 of watching it and it's kind of getting late, and 200 00:15:41,039 --> 00:15:43,879 I thought, well, i'll go, and all of a sudden 201 00:15:43,919 --> 00:15:47,519 I smelled something like it real stunk. I mean, it's 202 00:15:47,639 --> 00:15:51,919 like you put a dog or you know, anything like that. 203 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,799 And so I was kind of walking. There's a big 204 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:03,080 old rock and I stuck up. When I stopped, he 205 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:07,519 was about thirty yards and at first he looked like 206 00:16:08,159 --> 00:16:11,200 a guy in a gilly suit. And I looked again 207 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:15,120 real hard, and I can see that hair between twirling 208 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:24,919 long damn. And he was probably about probably ten foot 209 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:30,000 and he had his shoulders was real wide. But he 210 00:16:30,159 --> 00:16:35,120 was standing on the west side, so that sun was down, 211 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:40,200 and it was probably probably almost five o'clock or five 212 00:16:40,279 --> 00:16:43,799 th ever, and the sun was just kind of going down, 213 00:16:44,159 --> 00:16:49,639 but he was standing where the shadow is and I 214 00:16:49,679 --> 00:16:55,639 can picture his feature face and that's all, but the 215 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,840 rest was dark, and I mean, he just went down, 216 00:17:00,639 --> 00:17:05,720 and so I was looking. He was looking, and I 217 00:17:05,799 --> 00:17:09,880 was looking, and I saw a caravan and that was 218 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,319 probably two hundred and fifty yards out and there was 219 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:17,599 like three groups and one small and one big, and 220 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,440 there was in a single file line and you see 221 00:17:20,519 --> 00:17:27,319 those arms going like that, and there's a spot if 222 00:17:27,319 --> 00:17:32,240 they walk past us plot it was too thick there, 223 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,559 so I, you know, I didn't see them. And so 224 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:44,599 I heard something on the hill and it sounded like people, 225 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:49,240 you know, like a girl, boy and a guy, and 226 00:17:49,319 --> 00:17:56,359 all of a sudden that it's like not monkey, but 227 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:58,680 the monkey talked to. 228 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 4: Grow up, you know, like that. 229 00:18:03,599 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden I looked. 230 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,799 Speaker 4: And there was three of them and. 231 00:18:15,039 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 2: They was two of them was side by side, and 232 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:23,039 then the one was a little bit smaller, and then 233 00:18:23,079 --> 00:18:23,640 the other one. 234 00:18:23,799 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 4: And he was probably about seven or eight maybe seven, 235 00:18:29,799 --> 00:18:31,440 and he had. 236 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:39,079 Speaker 2: Something over his shoulders that it was like a gray fur. 237 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:42,799 Speaker 4: White black. 238 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:50,319 Speaker 2: And his eye his face he had three markings and 239 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:57,119 his cheeks on each side and his his. 240 00:18:57,319 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 4: Eyes was out. He had the. 241 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 2: Rim on the brow and he looked like k Man 242 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:16,799 or Eskimo or an old Indian. And I said who 243 00:19:16,839 --> 00:19:24,519 are you? And he said go? And so I was 244 00:19:25,759 --> 00:19:29,240 the big one, you know, he was looking over there, 245 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:33,039 and I looked and I didn't see nothing, and when 246 00:19:33,079 --> 00:19:40,559 I looked again, it was gone. And so I went 247 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:47,039 on out. And when I was walking right there where 248 00:19:47,079 --> 00:19:51,799 I was sitting at on the other side, about one 249 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:59,519 hundred and fifty yards, I when I saw he looked 250 00:19:59,559 --> 00:20:02,359 or she, and I raised up my hand and went 251 00:20:02,559 --> 00:20:06,359 high and he he went like that, he raised up 252 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:11,640 his hand, and so I got to the car, and 253 00:20:12,559 --> 00:20:19,440 I was just beside myself, and I said, I saw 254 00:20:19,519 --> 00:20:23,960 a bigfoot, and nobody's going to believe me, and so 255 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,079 I my brother. 256 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,799 Speaker 4: They he had. 257 00:20:30,599 --> 00:20:37,039 Speaker 2: An another camper and he brought his and my dad 258 00:20:37,079 --> 00:20:41,720 stayed home, and it was my two brothers. 259 00:20:41,799 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 4: And when I came back to the camp. 260 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,839 Speaker 2: Laying the truck, and he had his hand over his 261 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:54,480 head just tight, I mean, moaning, then going. And so 262 00:20:54,519 --> 00:20:56,960 I went to my other one, or my other brother, 263 00:20:57,319 --> 00:20:59,799 and he didn't believe me. I told him the story, 264 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,440 and he goes, well, are you going to hunt tomorrow? 265 00:21:04,519 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 4: I said, he'll know. I'm going to go home. 266 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:11,599 Speaker 2: And so I went home and I got up and 267 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,880 I tell Dad and my mom, and my dad said, well, 268 00:21:16,319 --> 00:21:20,400 just don't go after no more. 269 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 1: Wow, that's truly incredible. So when the sasquatch grabbed your 270 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,920 hand and took you into the hut. Did you essentially 271 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,160 go through a portal or did it lead you into 272 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,119 the woods into it like a structure area. 273 00:21:39,759 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 2: No, it was a portal. It was it was a 274 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:48,680 bright like a circle light and only outside like a 275 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:55,960 blue and we went through and it was just like 276 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:00,119 an old TV set, white with steak. 277 00:22:02,759 --> 00:22:07,599 Speaker 1: Wow. Did it look like what people describe as like 278 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,200 an orbora ball of light? 279 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 4: Uh? 280 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was watching, you know, I mean I've been 281 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:24,799 watching all your shows and Bigfoot and since after that, 282 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:29,720 and and I can I can name you this this 283 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,839 sounds and everything that I heard, it's the same thing. 284 00:22:34,799 --> 00:22:38,759 And I got with Robin and she said they was hunting, 285 00:22:39,039 --> 00:22:44,200 you know they hunt at night, and uh, you know. 286 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 4: That's uh sound that. 287 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 2: When I was sitting there, it sound like a big tree, 288 00:22:55,319 --> 00:22:59,119 you know, fell down, and I thought, you know, it's 289 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,680 a pack, I mean, a bunch of deer coming. And 290 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:09,160 all of a sudden the sound went, and I mean 291 00:23:09,759 --> 00:23:15,720 everything was just the trees and bushes, and so I thought, okay, 292 00:23:16,039 --> 00:23:19,200 so it's coming, you know, it's getting close. 293 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,279 Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden I saw I was 294 00:23:21,319 --> 00:23:23,440 like up in the tree. 295 00:23:24,839 --> 00:23:31,279 Speaker 2: And I saw the the buck and he was on 296 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:39,000 three legs and his he was walking, I mean not fast, 297 00:23:39,079 --> 00:23:43,480 but I mean he was walking and he was after him. 298 00:23:43,839 --> 00:23:50,599 And so all of a sudden, uh, it came closer 299 00:23:50,599 --> 00:23:55,160 to him. When I look down, uh, he was right there. 300 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,519 He goes, oh, I'm sorry. I said, no, it's okay, 301 00:23:59,079 --> 00:24:04,440 I want to shoot the buck. And so he got hoster, 302 00:24:05,039 --> 00:24:09,640 you know, to the fence, and I shot and he 303 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,160 said you game. I said no, I think I shot 304 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,519 him high, but. 305 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,799 Speaker 4: Asked when he said, my. 306 00:24:19,799 --> 00:24:23,759 Speaker 2: My sister wants to talk to you, I said, okay, 307 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:29,680 that's good, you know fine. So when I was up 308 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:34,960 there and it sounds like five of them passed me, 309 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,640 he goes out in the tree. You can you know, 310 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,599 hear you know, like deer and that is coming in. 311 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:46,240 But he stopped and I can hear all of them 312 00:24:46,559 --> 00:24:47,039 passing me. 313 00:24:48,599 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 5: Miguel, we have hypnotized or hypnotism that I can send 314 00:24:55,759 --> 00:24:58,279 to you where he was hypnotized us about an hour 315 00:24:58,319 --> 00:24:59,839 and a half long, and it has a lot. 316 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, that would be excellent. And when the sasquatch 317 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,519 grabbed your hand, she pointed up at the sky, and 318 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,160 did she say that they came from the stars. 319 00:25:15,519 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 2: Well, I said, really from and she pointed, I think 320 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:28,119 to the to me in to the sky, or it's 321 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,160 the other way around. I think I got the other 322 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,640 way around, but she pointed at me, and then she 323 00:25:34,039 --> 00:25:41,079 pointed at Scott, and I thought the thing was not 324 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:47,960 from here, but she said you're like us when she 325 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:53,640 pointed me, So I mean that's how I got it. 326 00:25:54,319 --> 00:25:58,559 Speaker 1: Yeah. And what did the female sasquatch look like? Do 327 00:25:58,599 --> 00:26:01,240 you remember the features on her? 328 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 2: Uh? Her eyes was pretty there was kind of like 329 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:09,920 a orange. 330 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 4: Brown looking. 331 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,519 Speaker 3: Did she look like a sasquatch? 332 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, she looked like a sketchwatch her Her face was, uh, 333 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:29,759 you know outside, you know, kind of wrinkle but kind 334 00:26:29,759 --> 00:26:30,279 of dark. 335 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,599 Speaker 5: I have a drawing I can send you also that 336 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,319 someone did off of his description. 337 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, that'd be excellent. And how many family members 338 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,119 were there? How many did you see? 339 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 4: Uh? That they all? Theygether? I was schounting at us 340 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,200 seeing eight, okay. 341 00:26:51,519 --> 00:26:53,799 Speaker 1: And they seem to be kind of tribal, like they 342 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,000 had furs. And I don't know if you described war 343 00:26:57,079 --> 00:26:59,720 paint when you mentioned that it had like three markings 344 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:00,400 on its face. 345 00:27:01,519 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 2: It's not marking is lack a scar three? Okay, Yeah, 346 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,359 so I don't know if that's marking. 347 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,839 Speaker 5: But we went back up to the same spot last weekend, 348 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,880 but as a severe storm rolled in just as we 349 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,559 got there, so we were limited. We soot some fireworks 350 00:27:19,599 --> 00:27:24,160 off for them. Yeah, and we left sneakers of apples. 351 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,279 Speaker 1: Yeah. And it kind of reminded me of like when 352 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,039 somebody finds a pet and they want to keep it 353 00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:32,960 and their dad says no, were they wanted to keep you? 354 00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:35,559 Essentially like dad, can we have him? Can we keep it? 355 00:27:36,519 --> 00:27:43,799 Speaker 4: Yeah? She was Brian, she was upset. She really wanted me. Wow. 356 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,759 Speaker 1: And why do you think they chose you specifically to 357 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,200 show you their inner world? 358 00:27:55,279 --> 00:28:04,279 Speaker 2: Well, when I was small, I saw was my grandmother 359 00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:08,880 where my granddad they die or one of them died. 360 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,599 Speaker 4: And I was probably. 361 00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:14,559 Speaker 2: Maybe six years old, and I was in the funeral 362 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:19,720 problem and everybody was talking and it was kind of boring, so. 363 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 4: You know, you know, for me, I was always uh curious, curious. 364 00:28:26,759 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 2: So I was walking and I saw one of the 365 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,680 doors open, so I walked on down and there was 366 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:42,680 a coffin And when I was walking down, I noticed 367 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:47,960 my right hand vision a guy in a suit and 368 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,960 hight here he is in the corner there, and he 369 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,279 didn't say nothing, so I just kind of walked on 370 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:59,160 down and I kind of looked, and all of a 371 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:05,079 sudden he was right side of me, and I said something. 372 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:12,519 I said, he was probably a good guy, and he said, yes, 373 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,319 he was. And I peeped in and when I peeped up, 374 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,000 it was him. And I looked and all of a 375 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,839 sudden he was gone. And I came running out and 376 00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:27,720 my mom said, now, Mark, you need to stay with me. 377 00:29:27,839 --> 00:29:30,559 Speaker 4: Don't get this time. It's like my mama. 378 00:29:31,319 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 2: So and then I saw my granddad when I was 379 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:47,240 going to school and I was going to cross the street, 380 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,640 and when I looked back, he was gone. 381 00:29:52,599 --> 00:29:55,799 Speaker 4: But but after that, after. 382 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:05,039 Speaker 2: The eighty three sighting, I worked as a security guard 383 00:30:05,519 --> 00:30:11,000 and send me first and Garnet and it was probably 384 00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:15,559 about two o'clock. And you know how the crickets all 385 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:20,319 that got noise, and if you take a finger and snap, 386 00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:24,680 they just shut off, and all of a sudden, it's 387 00:30:24,759 --> 00:30:25,200 kind of weird. 388 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 4: And I heard something like. 389 00:30:27,119 --> 00:30:32,319 Speaker 2: A home, a little home, and I kind of looked 390 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:37,480 up and they looked like bright stars for of them. 391 00:30:38,039 --> 00:30:44,079 In Formation one two three four, and that was going southwest. 392 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,000 And if you take your finger and kind of slowly 393 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,319 go over, that's how fast they is going. And if 394 00:30:52,359 --> 00:30:57,640 I have a CV radio, my buddy, oh they're on 395 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:02,359 the next block, you know, because hey, hey, look up 396 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:03,200 and see what you saw. 397 00:31:05,559 --> 00:31:10,599 Speaker 5: But I call that his trifecta, ghost, UFOs and bigfoot. 398 00:31:12,279 --> 00:31:17,759 Speaker 1: Yeah. So it seems like the strange unsolved mysteries have 399 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,920 been attracted to Mark all his life, and he's able 400 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,599 to see things that most people aren't able to see 401 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,039 and experience things that most people will never experience. What 402 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,240 else happened after the hunting trip on the Oklahoma. 403 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:35,759 Speaker 5: Kansas border, Well, he had another siding in ninety three 404 00:31:35,839 --> 00:31:36,799 in a different location. 405 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, tell me about that, and if you would 406 00:31:40,759 --> 00:31:42,920 walk me through the entire thing please. 407 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 4: Okay. 408 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 2: It was ninety three and it was in done season 409 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:59,279 and it was down how they meet you mountains. 410 00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:01,839 Speaker 4: Uh. The town there was. 411 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:11,799 Speaker 2: Uh flightened and it was probably about many four miles 412 00:32:12,839 --> 00:32:15,000 south east of Clayton. 413 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,279 Speaker 4: Uh. There was a graveyard there on the right. 414 00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 2: Hand side, and you go down and you go into 415 00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:26,480 the the then. 416 00:32:26,279 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 4: Trying to meet you, and you go down and you 417 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:30,440 pass you go. 418 00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 2: Over the creek or the first creek, and you keep 419 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:42,599 going and there's a road and I had a r 420 00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:45,160 V and I took it down. 421 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:45,559 Speaker 4: Here is. 422 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:52,279 Speaker 2: It was me and my hunt buddy Joe, and so 423 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:59,279 we got everything all set and that evening we was 424 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,960 going to see if you can you see anything. So 425 00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:07,079 I went up this hill. There was a green that 426 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,559 went right straight in the middle went up, you know, 427 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:16,039 so on each side, and so I was walking kind 428 00:33:16,039 --> 00:33:20,960 of looking and I got back half way up and 429 00:33:21,079 --> 00:33:25,440 all of a sudden, here comes four or five doors 430 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,519 and they was just running full glass up the hill 431 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,400 and I said wow, wow, And so I thought, well, 432 00:33:34,599 --> 00:33:35,519 they didn't see me. 433 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 4: So I walked up on top and went walked up 434 00:33:41,559 --> 00:33:42,160 up on top. 435 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:47,559 Speaker 2: I was kind of looking, and I stayed there maybe 436 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,279 probably fifteen or thirty minutes, and it was kind of 437 00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:55,400 getting late, and I thought, well, I was just kind 438 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,839 of slowly, you know, kind of walked down the hill. 439 00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:06,240 And so I got about halfway and all of a 440 00:34:06,319 --> 00:34:12,880 sudden I heard stomp. The ground shook like steps boom. 441 00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:17,320 I mean you can feel it in your your body 442 00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:21,480 boom boom boom, And I know, so it was and 443 00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:25,840 my heart was just going and it was just. 444 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,639 Speaker 4: Like boom boom boom boom step. 445 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 2: And so when it stopped, I was going to turn around, 446 00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:36,320 and it said, don't turn around. 447 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 4: Ill, here we go. 448 00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 2: Why because he said I'm ugly and I said, because 449 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:55,719 everybody's not ugly. And he said, I'm a beast and 450 00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:00,039 he knew that. I went through the light and and 451 00:35:00,119 --> 00:35:03,239 he said, how did you like that? I said that 452 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:08,719 was fantastic, that was super and he said he said, 453 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:18,320 my cousins they do something like that sometimes. 454 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,639 Speaker 4: But he would not. 455 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 2: Let me look at him. I said, okay, I promise 456 00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:32,960 I won't look at you. And I just after that 457 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:39,280 he talked about you know, if I remember, he talked 458 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:44,400 about something else. And so it was getting late and 459 00:35:45,039 --> 00:35:49,840 I said, okay, I'll see you later, and I just 460 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:56,960 walked on down my buddy and we went inside. 461 00:35:56,519 --> 00:36:00,599 Speaker 4: And I was gonna make some taters. 462 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,760 Speaker 2: I was feeling taters, and he was fixing the fire, 463 00:36:04,519 --> 00:36:07,800 and all of a sudden, it just the fire just went. 464 00:36:08,559 --> 00:36:12,079 Speaker 4: It's like bright know what happened. 465 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,320 Speaker 2: And we got out there and put the fire out, 466 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:21,679 and I didn't I guess my mind. I just threw 467 00:36:21,679 --> 00:36:26,000 it out because for him, he don't believe either. 468 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 3: You think was starting in ninety three was a dog man. 469 00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think he was a dog man 470 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,920 because he knew that I've seen Bigfoot. 471 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 1: Okay, so you're saying the creature that you encountered, you 472 00:36:45,519 --> 00:36:47,559 believe it was a dog man or your friend Joe 473 00:36:47,559 --> 00:36:48,679 believed it was a dog man. 474 00:36:49,679 --> 00:36:52,559 Speaker 4: No, I I thought it was a dog man. 475 00:36:52,679 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 2: But Joe, he he don't believe me when I talk 476 00:36:57,079 --> 00:36:58,000 about Bigfoot. 477 00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,280 Speaker 4: You know, he don't blame me. 478 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,800 Speaker 2: So I think I had just in my mind, I 479 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,400 just closed up and shut up and I'll forget about it. 480 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:11,280 And that's how come I didn't remember when I had 481 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,519 the hypnotis that's when it. 482 00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:16,159 Speaker 4: I remember. 483 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:16,679 Speaker 3: Well. 484 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,280 Speaker 5: Shelley said that you may start remembering things after the hypnotism, 485 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,119 more details, and you have. 486 00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:29,559 Speaker 1: Yeah. And ROBERTA, what did the hypnotists revealed? Did it 487 00:37:29,639 --> 00:37:32,880 reveal a lot more information, a lot more details about 488 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,559 the sightings. 489 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:35,039 Speaker 4: Yeah. 490 00:37:35,039 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 5: She asked specific questions, and she told him that the 491 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,320 way he answered her question, she thought it was a 492 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,039 real experience because he wouldn't have had the detail. 493 00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:47,880 Speaker 3: He wouldn't have been able to tell her how it smelled. 494 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 5: In the room and how the bearskin rug felt and 495 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,239 he was able to describe everything in detail. 496 00:37:57,559 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 4: Wow. 497 00:37:58,519 --> 00:38:03,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's edible. And I have no reason not to 498 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,920 believe your experience. I mean it does sound different than 499 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,559 a lot of other experiences. But also I know I've 500 00:38:10,599 --> 00:38:14,000 experienced orbs out in the woods that appear right in 501 00:38:14,039 --> 00:38:16,880 front of me, and there's got to be more to it. 502 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,199 I mean, where are these orbs coming from? What are they? 503 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,679 And it definitely seems spiritual and supernatural. What are your 504 00:38:23,679 --> 00:38:27,039 thoughts about the experiences that you had? Do you feel 505 00:38:27,079 --> 00:38:28,159 like they're supernatural? 506 00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:34,239 Speaker 2: I think there are matter of fact orbs. We went 507 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:41,280 to Missouri. They're at a haunted mansion, haunted mansion, and 508 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:48,360 I was taking pictures and I got an ORB and 509 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:49,679 it's a big orb. 510 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,199 Speaker 3: I'll send you that photo also. 511 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, that sounds great. And what other experience experiences 512 00:38:59,039 --> 00:39:00,800 have you had with the SaaS Watch, Like, have they 513 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,519 ever showed showed up to your home or anything like that. 514 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 4: No, No, they haven't shown me. 515 00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:15,320 Speaker 2: But every time I go out, I uh, I start 516 00:39:16,159 --> 00:39:24,039 feeling feeling stuff and I can actually uh see him. 517 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,119 Speaker 5: He can spot things in photos that others can't pick out. 518 00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:37,119 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, And do you believe the possible dog man 519 00:39:37,559 --> 00:39:39,400 was chasing those five gear. 520 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:48,760 Speaker 2: No, because he came up on top. When he walked 521 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:55,400 down the whole the mountain like it was shaken. I 522 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,679 mean every step you can feel it in your feet 523 00:39:59,199 --> 00:39:59,880 and everything. 524 00:40:02,639 --> 00:40:08,159 Speaker 1: Yeah. And was the creature communicating to verbally or was 525 00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:11,880 it using telepathy as the community calls it, mind speak? 526 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,960 Speaker 4: Uh speaking mine speak? 527 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:16,679 Speaker 1: Okay? 528 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 4: Uh? Same up there with the eighty three mm. 529 00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:28,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the in the eighty three encounter, did they 530 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,039 kind of essentially say the same thing not to look 531 00:40:31,079 --> 00:40:33,199 at them? 532 00:40:33,559 --> 00:40:38,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, they said that, uh, that they're ugly, and I 533 00:40:38,559 --> 00:40:42,480 said no, I said, God, I nobody's ugly. 534 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,840 Speaker 4: And uh when. 535 00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:51,039 Speaker 2: I was talking to Robin, Uh, she said that they 536 00:40:51,159 --> 00:40:58,480 believe in God and and that what I was telling her. 537 00:40:58,599 --> 00:41:01,519 She said that that. 538 00:41:01,639 --> 00:41:09,159 Speaker 4: You had a special moment and I. 539 00:41:09,079 --> 00:41:14,800 Speaker 3: Said yes, and you're highly sensitive. 540 00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:21,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, highly sensitive. I asked her. You know she has. 541 00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 2: Uh somehow on her her property for out where she 542 00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:33,599 protects him. And I asked her, I said, do they 543 00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:41,360 know if I went through the light because supposedly the 544 00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:46,320 old man and he knew, And so she got with 545 00:41:46,559 --> 00:41:47,599 me and she said. 546 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,440 Speaker 3: Uh, no, she didn't have an answer yet. 547 00:41:52,519 --> 00:41:54,480 Speaker 4: You know, she hasn't had an answer yet. 548 00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:55,880 Speaker 3: So that probably meant. 549 00:41:55,639 --> 00:42:16,840 Speaker 1: Now, okay, then what other experiences have you had. 550 00:42:10,679 --> 00:42:10,760 Speaker 5: That? 551 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,199 Speaker 2: Was it the eighty three and ninety three and then 552 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,079 just going out outside? 553 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,639 Speaker 3: He has seen spirits randomly. 554 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 5: We used to live in a haunted house the house 555 00:42:23,079 --> 00:42:26,079 before this, and he saw spirits in that house. 556 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:32,079 Speaker 1: Yeah. And were the spirits trying to communicate with you? 557 00:42:32,119 --> 00:42:34,880 Speaker 3: No? They were just standing there. 558 00:42:36,199 --> 00:42:41,960 Speaker 1: Okay. Did they look like modern people or Native American? 559 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,280 Speaker 2: They one was short and the other one was was tall. 560 00:42:48,559 --> 00:42:51,559 One had kind of short, curly hair, and the other 561 00:42:51,559 --> 00:42:56,480 one had long hair. Their clothes was white and their 562 00:42:56,519 --> 00:43:00,519 face was white, but their eyes were black. 563 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,320 Speaker 4: And I was on it. 564 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:09,559 Speaker 2: I was sleeping on my left hand side, and when 565 00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:13,960 I came when I turned over to my right, it 566 00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:16,079 started me and they were staring at me, and I 567 00:43:16,119 --> 00:43:20,159 went and all of a suddenly, you know, disappeared. 568 00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you feel like they were good spirits or 569 00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:28,719 evil spirits? 570 00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:31,400 Speaker 4: I think that it is good. 571 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,199 Speaker 5: That house had a history of hauntings back about seventy 572 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:42,000 years because we knew that the previous owners and they 573 00:43:42,159 --> 00:43:44,159 told us stories about when they were children. 574 00:43:46,679 --> 00:43:52,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and what are your thoughts about the Sasquatch and 575 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,719 their origins after you had those encounters. What do you 576 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:56,400 think they are? 577 00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:04,960 Speaker 4: M hmm. I think they're. 578 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:15,519 Speaker 2: They're more like your uh uh heyman dwellers. 579 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:16,280 Speaker 1: M hm. 580 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:20,559 Speaker 3: But do you think they're spiritual. 581 00:44:20,119 --> 00:44:25,840 Speaker 2: Or there they're spells. They're spiritual because they have the power. 582 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:33,639 And you know, for for me all this, we're not 583 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:34,800 ready for him yet. 584 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:42,800 Speaker 4: But uh there. 585 00:44:43,559 --> 00:44:47,440 Speaker 2: They stay around the lakes, in the rivers. 586 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,880 Speaker 5: We've heard We've heard about a couple of groupings up 587 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,920 in Ponka City around that electrical plant. 588 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,199 Speaker 3: There was a family that lived there. 589 00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:07,159 Speaker 2: Wow, Yeah, that's increatib there's something up here on Nugal too. 590 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,960 Speaker 1: And have you heard any encounter stories from friends or 591 00:45:13,079 --> 00:45:15,880 family in Oklahoma? 592 00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:25,599 Speaker 4: I heard one guy and I was out hunting and 593 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:26,360 that was it. 594 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,320 Speaker 3: Well, we met the man in Ponca. 595 00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:32,000 Speaker 5: City though that was trying to get a podcast started, 596 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,719 but I don't think he ever did. He's the one 597 00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,000 that told us about the ones in Paka City and 598 00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:39,239 he was a Native American. 599 00:45:41,559 --> 00:45:46,840 Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah, those sound like some incredible experiences and I 600 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:51,039 definitely believe you, and I'm sure it was hard to 601 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:56,199 understand these experiences throughout the years. 602 00:45:57,039 --> 00:45:57,280 Speaker 4: Yeah. 603 00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:02,360 Speaker 2: See, I was twenty three years and I did not 604 00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,960 believe in Bigfoot. I mean, I say right now, when 605 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,480 I was twenty three years old, I did not believe 606 00:46:09,519 --> 00:46:16,119 in Bigfoot. Matter of fact, when Boggy Freak came out, 607 00:46:16,639 --> 00:46:23,119 I was seven years old and my buddy, his brother, 608 00:46:23,519 --> 00:46:28,719 was in high school and he was an audigo visual 609 00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:34,920 and he had to make a film, and so he 610 00:46:35,079 --> 00:46:44,079 chose Boggy Creek, which who played Bigfoot met and his 611 00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:49,719 mom had a brown jacket, one of those furry jackets, 612 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:50,360 you know you. 613 00:46:52,199 --> 00:46:53,159 Speaker 4: Have a little. 614 00:46:54,679 --> 00:46:58,079 Speaker 2: Baby signed like a football game, you know like that. 615 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,599 I had that on a wolf mask and I was 616 00:47:02,679 --> 00:47:04,480 going onside of the hill. 617 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,599 Speaker 5: Going And I can tell you this has absolutely consumed 618 00:47:08,639 --> 00:47:11,960 his life. He talks about nothing, he thinks about nothing 619 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:12,679 but Bigfoot. 620 00:47:15,199 --> 00:47:16,440 Speaker 3: We've named her Sassy. 621 00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:22,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can definitely relate. And yeah, it's amazing to 622 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:27,239 have these experiences and not many people will understand home. 623 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,599 I remember hearing the story from Mount Saint Helens when 624 00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:37,360 the volcano erupted and the government cover up took place. 625 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:42,239 The people who told their encounters mentioned that they went 626 00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:47,079 to a cave and they found these sasquatch with burnt bodies, 627 00:47:47,159 --> 00:47:50,480 and there was this big male sasquatch that was wearing 628 00:47:50,639 --> 00:47:52,599 like this, I don't know what you'd call it, a 629 00:47:52,639 --> 00:47:58,480 fur coat or some sort of fur that covered its body. 630 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:00,360 Speaker 4: Oh my mm. 631 00:48:02,159 --> 00:48:04,519 Speaker 1: Yeah. So that kind of reminded how what you experienced. 632 00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,480 Speaker 5: I just have so many questions now that he's talked 633 00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,559 about it so much. I have a lot of questions, 634 00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,199 but nobody answer them. 635 00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:23,280 Speaker 2: Well, I know that the ends are protecting them, and 636 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:27,480 I know that the government is also protecting them, and 637 00:48:27,519 --> 00:48:32,719 there's a lot of people out there that has seen 638 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,519 them and they're protecting them. 639 00:48:36,679 --> 00:48:40,559 Speaker 5: Well, the most amazing thing that he said he was hunting. 640 00:48:40,679 --> 00:48:42,800 He had his gun, but he was not afraid. He 641 00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,679 said he didn't even think about drawing on him. 642 00:48:46,199 --> 00:48:50,199 Speaker 2: No I saw him, I saw my gun. I said, 643 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:58,119 ain't no way, no way, and I was using that 644 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,679 I was shooting at thirty odd six. 645 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:09,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's incredible. And what did you learn from your experience? 646 00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:14,679 And could you possibly be able to contact them again 647 00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,599 and make that happen again? 648 00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:29,119 Speaker 2: I wanted to every time when COVID was all that, 649 00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:33,400 that was the last time ninety three I went out 650 00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:37,119 like that. But when COVID and all that, I just 651 00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:41,199 haven't on out like I have. 652 00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,599 Speaker 3: We're a little bit older than we were then too. 653 00:49:46,199 --> 00:49:50,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I completely understand. And yeah, I appreciate you 654 00:49:51,039 --> 00:49:55,239 both for sharing your experiences with me, and it really 655 00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,519 means a lot. Do you guys have anything else that 656 00:49:57,559 --> 00:50:02,719 you'd like to add to the podcast and on the report? 657 00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:05,559 Speaker 4: I just want to. 658 00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:11,599 Speaker 2: See if there's other people out there that that had 659 00:50:11,679 --> 00:50:15,000 gone through what I've gone through, or. 660 00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,039 Speaker 3: We haven't heard of anyone else that has went into 661 00:50:19,039 --> 00:50:19,360 the light. 662 00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:27,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard of people like seeing orbs and reappearing 663 00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:31,880 somewhere else, or losing time, things like that, but I 664 00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:37,079 personally haven't heard of somebody going into one of these 665 00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:40,440 portals and coming out somewhere else, like in another world. 666 00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,280 But I have today, So if we do in the future, 667 00:50:44,679 --> 00:50:46,400 we'll well, we'll see what. 668 00:50:46,519 --> 00:50:46,760 Speaker 4: Well. 669 00:50:48,119 --> 00:50:52,199 Speaker 2: I was gonna tell you where I was where I 670 00:50:52,199 --> 00:50:59,920 went through, it looked like on the other side, about 671 00:51:00,039 --> 00:51:04,559 probably two hundred and fifty yards, it looked like the 672 00:51:04,679 --> 00:51:08,239 same spot, but there was no huts. 673 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:15,119 Speaker 4: And I think that it's you go in and it's 674 00:51:15,199 --> 00:51:20,440 like it's it's the same time. 675 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,000 Speaker 3: As enter a different atmosphere. 676 00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:25,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a different atmosphere. 677 00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,119 Speaker 1: So it's the same area. I wonder if it's a 678 00:51:27,159 --> 00:51:31,960 different time, like thousands of years in the past, but 679 00:51:32,119 --> 00:51:32,840 the same spot. 680 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:40,559 Speaker 2: I don't know, but I that was there was a 681 00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:48,199 big rock and when he went past that rock, I 682 00:51:48,559 --> 00:51:52,920 came out and I walked probably I took probably four 683 00:51:53,039 --> 00:51:59,039 or five steps, and I saw my tree, my pack 684 00:51:59,199 --> 00:52:03,400 there and you can see it kind of colorful but still. 685 00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:10,239 Speaker 4: Hazy. I just kind of falked on over. Hit them up. 686 00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:11,519 Speaker 3: What you said you felt funny? 687 00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:12,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel funny. 688 00:52:13,679 --> 00:52:14,840 Speaker 1: What do you mean by funny? 689 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:23,239 Speaker 5: I think that he was given sassafras and possibly marijuana, 690 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,440 because he said he had like a hangover, but not 691 00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:29,280 a hangover, just a weird feeling. 692 00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,599 Speaker 1: M hmm. Yeah. 693 00:52:32,679 --> 00:52:35,159 Speaker 3: And he wasn't used to marijuana at all. 694 00:52:36,079 --> 00:52:39,880 Speaker 2: No, I you know, everybody said, oh, Mark you burn 695 00:52:40,199 --> 00:52:41,440 I said, no, I don't. 696 00:52:41,639 --> 00:52:43,119 Speaker 4: I don't do drugs. 697 00:52:43,559 --> 00:52:47,320 Speaker 1: M Yeah. It could be an effect from going through 698 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:52,760 the portal into another dimension. And yeah, that's definitely spooky. 699 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,119 Did you notice any missing time? 700 00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:01,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, it seemed like I was there for a long time. 701 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:03,639 Speaker 4: That's when I started. 702 00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:09,320 Speaker 2: When I heard them talking, that's when I was was 703 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:14,440 getting kind of flashbacks. You know, mom and family and 704 00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:18,800 all that, and she was upset. She was crying and 705 00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,559 he said, no, no, he's going to die when he's eighty. 706 00:53:22,639 --> 00:53:23,119 Speaker 4: No. 707 00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:29,320 Speaker 2: I mean he talk like like, you know, like Indians 708 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:37,800 like nope, And that's how Uh that's how ninety three 709 00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,199 was his voice was, I mean real. 710 00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,199 Speaker 4: H strong? 711 00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,920 Speaker 1: Kay? Yeah, so very demanding voice. 712 00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:51,480 Speaker 4: Yeah. 713 00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:55,880 Speaker 1: M Do you guys have anything else you'd like that? 714 00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:04,199 Speaker 4: Uh? No, that's it. 715 00:54:03,519 --> 00:54:08,280 Speaker 2: Is there anything you want me to ahead? Do you 716 00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:09,639 have any questions? 717 00:54:10,119 --> 00:54:10,280 Speaker 4: No? 718 00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,760 Speaker 1: I think that answered most of my questions. And you 719 00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:17,159 did an excellent job at retelling the experiences that you've 720 00:54:17,199 --> 00:54:20,199 had and I really appreciate you both for taking the 721 00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,519 time to do that. And yeah, we'll see in the 722 00:54:23,519 --> 00:54:27,039 future if anyone else has a similar experience. 723 00:54:28,639 --> 00:54:31,559 Speaker 4: Uh you know RPG. 724 00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:33,599 Speaker 1: No, I've never heard of him. 725 00:54:34,599 --> 00:54:36,280 Speaker 3: Ryan Golinbski. 726 00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:45,079 Speaker 2: No, okay, Well he was on the expeditions Bigfoot and 727 00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:49,800 he's the one that they got sick with the headache 728 00:54:50,679 --> 00:54:53,800 and say hooking back. 729 00:54:56,519 --> 00:54:58,840 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I think I think I know what you're 730 00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,679 talking about. It's been a while since I've watched the show. 731 00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:06,400 Speaker 3: Well, it was so good to talk to you, and 732 00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,280 we really appreciate you taking the time. 733 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,719 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And if you guys experience anything else in 734 00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:14,840 the future, definitely feel free to reach out. 735 00:55:16,119 --> 00:55:19,119 Speaker 5: If you'll text me your email address, I'll send those 736 00:55:19,159 --> 00:55:19,800 items to you. 737 00:55:20,519 --> 00:55:22,119 Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, that sounds good to me. 738 00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,079 Speaker 3: All right, Thank you, Miguel, yep. 739 00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,840 Speaker 1: Thank you, and you both have an excellent day, you 740 00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:33,400 guys do. All right. That was Mark's story from Oklahoma. 741 00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,440 Before we wrap things up, I want to share a 742 00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:40,039 few of my own thoughts on today's interview. As many 743 00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:42,840 of you know, I've listened to hundreds of bigfoot encounter 744 00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,840 reports over the years. While I always want to give 745 00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,119 people the opportunity to share their experiences, I also think 746 00:55:49,159 --> 00:55:51,840 it's important to be honest when parts of a story 747 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:56,599 leave me with questions. One thing that stood out to 748 00:55:56,639 --> 00:55:59,960 me was that Mark described two encounters roughly ten years 749 00:56:00,159 --> 00:56:04,719 a part where the creature reportedly approached him from behind 750 00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:09,159 and said the exact same phrase, don't turn around because 751 00:56:09,199 --> 00:56:14,320 I'm ugly. That level of similarity immediately caught my attention 752 00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:19,000 and is something I personally find difficult to explain. Another 753 00:56:19,079 --> 00:56:24,599 detail that gave me pause was the description of sasquatch 754 00:56:24,639 --> 00:56:28,639 wearing furs or clothing, and the vast majority of reports 755 00:56:28,679 --> 00:56:33,079 I've documented over the years, witnesses describe these creatures as 756 00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:38,119 naturally covered in hair or fur rather than wearing garments. 757 00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:42,039 That doesn't necessarily mean Mark's experience didn't happen the way 758 00:56:42,119 --> 00:56:46,000 he remembers it, but it is very different from what 759 00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:50,679 I've typically heard. My goal Sasquatch theory has never been 760 00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,079 to convince you that every story is true or foss. 761 00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:58,800 My responsibility is to provide a platform for people to 762 00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:03,920 share their experiences while also being transparent When a report 763 00:57:04,159 --> 00:57:08,039 raises questions for me, I think it's healthy to keep 764 00:57:08,039 --> 00:57:11,000 an open mind, but it's just as important to think 765 00:57:11,039 --> 00:57:18,239 critically and evaluate each account on its own merits. On 766 00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:23,079 another note, if Mark's encounter is true, how extraordinary is 767 00:57:23,119 --> 00:57:26,840 that for the sasquatch to show you their world and 768 00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:30,360 let you in on where they come from and to 769 00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:35,000 communicate with them. I would personally be terrified, like, no, no, no, don't, 770 00:57:35,039 --> 00:57:37,599 I don't want to go leave me alone, because to 771 00:57:37,719 --> 00:57:42,840 go into another dimension would truly be frightening. And Mark 772 00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,239 believes this really happened to him, And I definitely believe 773 00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,960 something happened to Mark out in the Forest of Oklahoma 774 00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:53,400 because he has carried this experience with him for many years, 775 00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:57,199 and he told Roberta about it and she believes him, 776 00:57:57,599 --> 00:57:59,679 so who am I to say this didn't happen to him. 777 00:57:59,719 --> 00:58:01,800 I did find some discrepancies and I had to point 778 00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:05,800 them out and be transparent, but it was fascinating to 779 00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:10,679 listen to. I would love to hear your respectful thoughts 780 00:58:10,719 --> 00:58:13,719 in the comments. What part of Mark's story stood out 781 00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,840 to you, did anything resonate with you, or did you 782 00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:21,679 notice details that raise questions. Let's keep the discussion civil 783 00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,719 and respectful for everyone involved. Thank you for watching, and 784 00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:39,679 I'll see you on the next episode of Sasquatch Theory.