Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to Pinche. It's Thursday. It's the day
Speaker 1: we talk about Bravo. So I've got one of my
Speaker 1: Bravo experts. Here is my friend, Mandy Slitzker of Is
Speaker 1: this Real life with the Bandy Slitzker? Hey, Bandy, Hi,
Speaker 1: how's it going. It's great, you know, things are Everything
Speaker 1: is great.
Speaker 2: Everything's wonderful.
Speaker 1: Okright, countries exploding, sun has to leave college. Everybody's sick,
Speaker 1: we're snow down. Everything is fine. Everything is fine. You're
Speaker 1: a city girl though that you just get out, you
Speaker 1: just hit the streets. Everything's all good for you down
Speaker 1: there in DC.
Speaker 2: No, it is actually the worst I've seen it because
Speaker 2: of the sheets of ice are like the sleet that
Speaker 2: came down, so we got like seven inches of snow
Speaker 2: and then like inches of ice on top. It is
Speaker 2: now so packed in that I, an adult human being
Speaker 2: can walk on top of it without falling through. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like when my dog was walking on it, she's twenty
Speaker 2: pounds whatever. But then I like was trying to get
Speaker 2: to like pick up her booth, and I was like, wow,
Speaker 2: I'm walking on like nine inches right now of like
Speaker 2: solid I don't know, snow ice material it's and they
Speaker 2: haven't plowed. I mean they've plowed some big streets, but
Speaker 2: they haven't plowed like the street that I live on,
Speaker 2: So like, really you're stuck. Yeah, it's such a disaster here.
Speaker 2: It's like and then there's no communication about like when
Speaker 2: things are going to get plowed or what they're trying
Speaker 2: to do or apparently a lot of the trucks broke.
Speaker 1: Oh well that's bad timing.
Speaker 2: No, like because of the like the the ice is
Speaker 2: so heavy compared to sell that, like it wasn't they
Speaker 2: weren't able to like do the removal.
Speaker 1: Well here where we are for Chres County, it's been
Speaker 1: all right, but I had to go over to Old Town.
Speaker 1: This is the first time I left my house in
Speaker 1: three days. I had to go over to old Town
Speaker 1: to pick something up. And when you got over into
Speaker 1: old Town, it was the same situation, like, yeah, most
Speaker 1: of the streets weren't cloud and I'm just like, you know,
Speaker 1: like for me, yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Put on that all wheel drive, and my friends are
Speaker 2: all just like, oh my god, I'm so tired of
Speaker 2: being inside. So I'm like, God, over this Minnesota girl
Speaker 2: is going to get in her car and I just
Speaker 2: went and picked them all up and brought them to
Speaker 2: my place.
Speaker 1: You're like, it's fine. I looked at my car and
Speaker 1: I was like putting it as like eco mode, standard mode.
Speaker 1: Something mode is said snow mode. I go, that's the one.
Speaker 1: Put it just like yeah, here we go. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys, good times. I hope wherever you are you
Speaker 1: are warm. I love the people posting, like from Aruba
Speaker 1: or something. I'm like, good for you.
Speaker 2: So I was just in Grand Cayman last week and
Speaker 2: I got in like an hour before the storm.
Speaker 1: It feel so good. You get that. You just felt
Speaker 1: so good.
Speaker 2: It did feel so good. It's wonderful. I would recommend
Speaker 2: vacation there to absolutely anyone.
Speaker 1: Is that one of Sheprose's places where he finds girlfriend's
Speaker 1: Grant Cayman. I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 2: No, I think that was Bahamas. And he also likes
Speaker 2: to go to Saint Bart's. I've never been to me either.
Speaker 1: According to Bethany, it's not worth it.
Speaker 2: That was so weird when there was that whole story
Speaker 2: about her getting what was it on her eye, Like
Speaker 2: on her.
Speaker 1: She got like a bacterial infection from the hotel.
Speaker 2: It was like face chlamydia.
Speaker 1: Which isn't the thing, No, Bethany break.
Speaker 2: There's lots of types of bacteria. You guys don't need
Speaker 2: to call it face chlamydia.
Speaker 1: Bethany. We love her. She's gonna save the planet one
Speaker 1: chanel bag at a time. All right, let's talk about
Speaker 1: the Salt Lake City Reunion Part three. We're gonna go
Speaker 1: through it as it happened lightly, and you know the
Speaker 1: way part two ended, in the way part three began
Speaker 1: was with Britney doing a performance cry situation, and I
Speaker 1: thought it was hilarious when she came back to the
Speaker 1: stage with her like her Starbucks cup and she's like, okay,
Speaker 1: and they're all like, we're in the middle of a
Speaker 1: conversation and they're like, we were talking getting somewhere. We
Speaker 1: really don't care, And she's like, fine. The girl, when
Speaker 1: I tell you she is the Rodney Dangerfield of Salt
Speaker 1: Lake City, she gets no respect. And she's like, I'm
Speaker 1: not a victim. I'm like, but you are an actress,
Speaker 1: so stop stop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what's hard with her is you don't know
Speaker 2: when she's been real and when she's acting truly, and
Speaker 2: so it's very, very tough to know. I also think
Speaker 2: people were really hard last week on Meredith for sharing
Speaker 2: what she shared, at least that's what I saw on
Speaker 2: social media. And I mean, it's not great to insinuate
Speaker 2: that someone is anti Semitic, you know. And I don't
Speaker 2: believe that Brittany is. I don't believe it's in her heart.
Speaker 2: But she does have a tendency to like want to
Speaker 2: look the other way with lots of things in general,
Speaker 2: like look at her relationship, Like there's red flags all
Speaker 2: over that, and she just won't see it if she
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like seen it. And so I'm not shocked,
Speaker 2: Like if she was told, hey, this guy said this
Speaker 2: like horrible antisemitic thing, and she's like, was that his
Speaker 2: only events?
Speaker 3: Essentially, she's like it's free males, like totally, Like I
Speaker 3: don't think she understood the gravity of the situation for Meredith,
Speaker 3: where it was like a person who had come into
Speaker 3: her home as a Jewish person, you know, and it
Speaker 3: has been a time of like very heightened anti semitism.
Speaker 2: Where like every Jew that I know has experienced it
Speaker 2: on a personal level multiple times. Like, you know, it's
Speaker 2: I understand her being the way she is. She's just
Speaker 2: a really poor communicator. Meredith like she communicates like a robot,
Speaker 2: or like a legal robot. She's not saying, you know,
Speaker 2: this hurt me because I had this man in my
Speaker 2: home and it really disturbed me that I had someone
Speaker 2: that had hate in their heart for me and my
Speaker 2: family in my home. And to think that someone else,
Speaker 2: you know, in this friend group would use this person
Speaker 2: if even after knowing that yeah.
Speaker 1: That is wrote glowing review.
Speaker 2: And yes that's the Yeah, I could see why she
Speaker 2: was miffed. I don't like that production decided not to
Speaker 2: keep whatever that was like in because then we couldn't
Speaker 2: understand why she hated Brittany so much. I get it
Speaker 2: a little more now. It's not like it's okay how
Speaker 2: she treated Brittany, but I get it makes way more
Speaker 2: sense now. Like I don't think she give a shit
Speaker 2: about the TikTok.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, TikTok whatever. Well, Andy tries to talk to
Speaker 1: Meredith about the playing situation, and she said I had
Speaker 1: one drink in the lounge, and then Lisa starts yelling
Speaker 1: and crying and saying like, you guys accused me of
Speaker 1: starting into these rumors, and Mary is going calm down,
Speaker 1: It's not that deep calm down, and then Lisa says
Speaker 1: to Heather, I'll spell all your secrets. I'll spell all
Speaker 1: your secrets, and Heather goes go ahead, like what are
Speaker 1: we talking about? Then Meredith starts saying saying she'll take
Speaker 1: a drug test every single day. Whitney apologizes for calling
Speaker 1: Meredith the drug addict, but popper and she said, you know,
Speaker 1: her behavior does read benzo's mixed with alcohol. I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: it's specific. Yeah. But then we see in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: three a sprinter van always a sprinter van clip in Bermuda,
Speaker 1: where Heather is saying like, oh, you're coming down from
Speaker 1: the benzos from the flight, and then they start talking
Speaker 1: about oh. Heather's like, Meredith, I've given you lots of
Speaker 1: pills and She's like, I don't know I want any
Speaker 1: pills you're talking about. She's like, I've given you a
Speaker 1: Zoe friend when you're nauseous. I've given you an ambient
Speaker 1: for flying. And Heather's like, so, what pills have I
Speaker 1: popped in front of you?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: There's two things here, Mandy on a reunion when we
Speaker 1: had the whole we didn't know with the Ginshaw and
Speaker 1: the black Eye, there was a comment about ketamine on
Speaker 1: this the season opener two seasons ago, when Brahman came
Speaker 1: in with the big heartcoat and Meredith, I mean, and
Speaker 1: Mary and Brittany got into the fight about you're not
Speaker 1: poor and you put biscuits in your purse.
Speaker 2: In your purse. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They also made a comment about people doing ketemine. Really,
Speaker 1: so twice there's been comments on the show about people
Speaker 1: doing ketamine. Utah, beyond the realm of that. These people
Speaker 1: are doing Kennedine, Oh, you know.
Speaker 2: Totally not beyond the realm. And I think Monica Garcia,
Speaker 2: who is not a very good you know, like I
Speaker 2: don't think she's a reliable narrator, but she did say
Speaker 2: that someone a few years ago at Bravo Khan brought
Speaker 2: coke with them and was nervous someone would find it,
Speaker 2: which tells me that maybe they're not frequent coke user.
Speaker 1: Right, they don't know what they're doing. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, they're trying to have some fun
Speaker 2: in Vegas, and.
Speaker 1: Then they got nervous.
Speaker 2: They haven't done it before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like you know, and then you know, Heather's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: tell me the pills I popped in front of Young.
Speaker 1: I don't know what they are. I'm just seeing the pills.
Speaker 1: I don't know what they are. And then Whitney's like,
Speaker 1: but we're trying to get away from the point, and
Speaker 1: the point is I wanted to go back to what
Speaker 1: I said and say that I'm sorry for what I said. Whitney,
Speaker 1: I felt the whole especially this episode, was trying so
Speaker 1: hard to be heard from the end of that couch.
Speaker 1: She's like, but wait a minute, I was talking from
Speaker 1: the end of the couch. She was trying. It's very
Speaker 1: hard to make sure she sees the next season, I felt.
Speaker 2: I think so. I yeah, they're also interesting in how
Speaker 2: they communicate and don't communicate. And I feel like, and
Speaker 2: we'll get into this when we talk about Beverly Hills,
Speaker 2: but I feel like more and more housewives are going
Speaker 2: into filming a scene or sitting for a reunion with
Speaker 2: like a game plan, and they got to deviate from
Speaker 2: the game plan. Yes, and whenever there's like something that
Speaker 2: comes like Lisa Barlow. When Mary started coming for Lisa Barlow,
Speaker 2: it was like, oh, I did not have a way
Speaker 2: to pivot from this. This was not part of my
Speaker 2: game plan, like she was like, where is this coming from?
Speaker 2: And she didn't even It was like she couldn't listen
Speaker 2: in real time and respond in real time. The only
Speaker 2: person that seemed like fully president and ready to respond
Speaker 2: to anything was bron Win. But even she came in
Speaker 2: with a game plan like I'm going to announce my
Speaker 2: separation and I'm going to share you know, this, this
Speaker 2: and this. So yeah, I guess I just it makes
Speaker 2: it harder to have real conversations where you can get
Speaker 2: real answers from them, because like Meredith was so rehearsed, literally,
Speaker 2: she'd be the perfect witness on a witness stand. Every
Speaker 2: lawyer would love to have her on their side for
Speaker 2: cross examination. You can't get her, she will not flip.
Speaker 2: It was like Hillary Clinton and the Benghazzy like twelve
Speaker 2: hour testimony, like you will not get her to fuck up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think them, the two of them, Lisa
Speaker 1: and Meredith obviously had a game plan going in because
Speaker 1: they keep referring to, yes, you hit all your points,
Speaker 1: now let it go. Did I miss something? Oh, you
Speaker 1: forgot to say this. It's so and they're like, we're
Speaker 1: not tag team, we speak for ourselves, Like no, you're
Speaker 1: literally doing it with the microphones on you, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So anyway, Meredith says regarding the on the plane, and
Speaker 1: he's like, do you have anything else you want to
Speaker 1: say or you're sorry, and she goes, I did vent
Speaker 1: on the plane to Lisa, and I did not mean
Speaker 1: to hurt Britney's feelings and Andy goes, okay, so nothing
Speaker 1: new if you said it all okay, and he's like,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna You're obviously not gonna admit to anything
Speaker 1: and that Heather's like, the two of you have got
Speaker 1: what you're gonna say, so you're just gonna repeat it
Speaker 1: until you believe it's true, you know. Yeah, Angie says Meredith. Look,
Speaker 1: you got on the plane in a bad place mentally,
Speaker 1: and if you would have done that to me, you
Speaker 1: would have had air marshals waiting for you on the
Speaker 1: other side. Because this girl was destroyed way worse than
Speaker 1: just now when she did the fake storm off like
Speaker 1: and it's like the Black Eye. It's like we're they're
Speaker 1: gonna dance around it, but we're never gonna know the.
Speaker 2: Truth right until I'm ready to tell the truth right right, Like,
Speaker 2: So for Heather to be like be honest tell us
Speaker 2: everything when she has held on to something for years
Speaker 2: feels a bit hypocritical.
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Speaker 1: Heather is happy to be an empty nester. You know, people,
Speaker 1: it was a little controversial about this, but I understood
Speaker 1: what she meant. Yeah, she was happy the kids were
Speaker 1: moving into it. She was able to move into a
Speaker 1: new stage. She's been a single soul parent for so
Speaker 1: long that she's like, oh my god, I'm actually excited
Speaker 1: for them to move into a new phase and I'm
Speaker 1: excited for myself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it was. I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 2: people can find controversy and anything, but I think she
Speaker 2: was just saying, wow, you know, like if you get
Speaker 2: married that young, right like twenty three, twenty four, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean back in the day that was like, you know,
Speaker 2: everyone got married at that age, but you have very
Speaker 2: few years you have like high school, maybe college, maybe
Speaker 2: a year or two after of like quote unquote freedom
Speaker 2: where you do things and you make decisions for yourself
Speaker 2: and you're not thinking about a family when you make decisions. Well,
Speaker 2: she hasn't had that in so long. She never really
Speaker 2: got her freedom. She never really dated around or had
Speaker 2: lots of boyfriends, or even explored what her interests were.
Speaker 2: I read her book, like she started with like this
Speaker 2: jewelry business that did really well. Like, I just don't
Speaker 2: feel like she's gotten a chance to explore anything that
Speaker 2: she was interested in because she was so focused on
Speaker 2: raising those kids while she was married and then even
Speaker 2: more so after her divorce, so she's not had a
Speaker 2: minute to herself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought she was like, I'm still loving it. No,
Speaker 1: I don't, you know, I don't feel bad about it
Speaker 1: at all, and Brittany tells us for the first time
Speaker 1: in six years, she had both of her daughters home
Speaker 1: for Christmas, talks about how much she loves him. That
Speaker 1: was interesting. So then we talk about this thing about
Speaker 1: John Barlow making Lisa look bad on camera, and Andy's like,
Speaker 1: kind of seems like he was like trying to make
Speaker 1: you look bad, and she goes, you know, it was
Speaker 1: very upsetting because he knows I do everything for him
Speaker 1: and I do feel underappreciated sometimes and it did really
Speaker 1: break my heart that he would say that, like on camera.
Speaker 1: I would never try to make him look bad like that.
Speaker 1: And Heather's like, well, you just felt embarrassed, and Mary goes,
Speaker 1: I don't know. If your husband says you're not a
Speaker 1: good listener, then you're not a good listener.
Speaker 2: Mary. She was so honest and on top.
Speaker 1: Of everything, so funny, and Lie goes, okay, Mary, and
Speaker 1: Marredith goes, she's trying to help you. She's like, I
Speaker 1: don't need your help right now. Mary, and Angie goes,
Speaker 1: but look, you know those were his real feelings. We
Speaker 1: are on a reality show and Andy goes, yeah, I
Speaker 1: thought it was like, actually a real moment. But Lisa's like, whatever,
Speaker 1: I'm done, I don't want to talk about it. Like
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is falling on deaf ears. And they're like,
Speaker 1: you're not listening to us. We're validating you. We're saying
Speaker 1: that was a real moment between the two of you,
Speaker 1: and Mary's like she don't want to hear it. She
Speaker 1: don't want to hear it. But it was interesting that
Speaker 1: she was. They were trying to say, like it was
Speaker 1: really real and yes, it may have been hurtful, but
Speaker 1: he was being very honest and you are on a
Speaker 1: reality show. But she just is like, no, he shouldn't
Speaker 1: have done that.
Speaker 2: Because she's performative on the show, she doesn't show us
Speaker 2: her true self. I don't think she knows who her
Speaker 2: true self is. Yes, part of herself is like you know,
Speaker 2: she loves to go to Wendy's and you know, drive
Speaker 2: around with her kid in the back, calling him baby gorgeous,
Speaker 2: but like that's not personality, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And she has problems listening, and I think he has
Speaker 2: problems getting her attention, and there's no better way to
Speaker 2: get her attention than filming, right, because she cares so
Speaker 2: much about how she comes across and he's I think
Speaker 2: it was like a hail Mary pass for him, Like
Speaker 2: he's just like, please listen to me. You need to
Speaker 2: do better listening. I am unhappy when you behave this way,
Speaker 2: Like I think you also cause problems in this relationship.
Speaker 2: It can't just be me, Like that's what he's trying
Speaker 2: to convey, that she's so focused on the image of
Speaker 2: herself and the image of them is like the perfect
Speaker 2: couple that she can't even hear that he's actually hurting
Speaker 2: and that he does seem to want to fix it.
Speaker 2: When people don't want to fix things, they don't talk
Speaker 2: about them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it did seem like he was like, I this
Speaker 1: is like a hail Mary and it is just like
Speaker 1: what they said on the last episode when she didn't
Speaker 1: show up for that first day of filming, and they
Speaker 1: were like, two things we know about Lisa. She's not
Speaker 1: going to miss a filming day and she's you know,
Speaker 1: not gonna miss something for a payday basically. So she
Speaker 1: showed up for filming that and she wasn't expecting him today.
Speaker 1: She went, this was really hard. We had a really
Speaker 1: hard time speaking of bad relationships. So we get Braun
Speaker 1: when the scenes of bron when in Muzzy and then
Speaker 1: we also saw the whole thing about her, like trying
Speaker 1: to talk to Todd and like do you want to
Speaker 1: have an open marriage and all that, and she tells
Speaker 1: us and I did don't think I knew during the
Speaker 1: regular season that her dad passed away right when they
Speaker 1: got home from Greece. If so that just with all
Speaker 1: the airplane drama that went right over my head, I
Speaker 1: didn't realize her. Yeah, that's the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what happened, so like kind of quickly,
Speaker 2: like they put him in a home and like a
Speaker 2: few years later he's done. And yes, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: sure you I don't know, but you deal with someone
Speaker 2: who is you know, has Alzheimer's that goes on for
Speaker 2: years and years and years. Yeah, and so like you
Speaker 2: you're sort of warning them while they're still alive, yes,
Speaker 2: but then when they're gone, it's so final, and yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just a very difficult illness.
Speaker 1: Yes, And it was. It was interesting about you know,
Speaker 1: her saying that Muzzy had never really accepted that that
Speaker 1: was what it was, and was saying, oh, he died suddenly,
Speaker 1: And we had a kind of a similar situation with
Speaker 1: my mother in law, Like she went into a you know,
Speaker 1: a memory care unit and died within like two months,
Speaker 1: And it was the same kind of thing as like, wow,
Speaker 1: it was so sudden. It was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: it's not you know, for me as an outsider, like
Speaker 1: it's not sudden. She's been very sick with Alzheimer's for
Speaker 1: so many years. Yeah, it's really hard, but it was.
Speaker 1: I liked Braun when talking about it. I liked it
Speaker 1: sort of humanized Muzzy a bit. And it also humanized
Speaker 1: Muzzy a bit when she was saying that, you know,
Speaker 1: people were making memes and jokes at Muzzy's expense, and
Speaker 1: Muzzy was like felt the world turned on her. And
Speaker 1: then we're all like, oh gosh, poor Muzzy. And then
Speaker 1: Brahman goes and now she blames me, so we're like,
Speaker 1: oh no, yeah, no, it's oh no.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure I wouldn't be able to handle it either,
Speaker 2: like going on a show and having people critique my
Speaker 2: behavior and tell me like all of the things about
Speaker 2: myself but need to be changed. I don't think I
Speaker 2: could hear it because it would be coming like you
Speaker 2: know at you NonStop. Yes, but it's not like a
Speaker 2: close friend sitting you down and telling you a hard truth.
Speaker 2: It's like a bunch of strangers. And how much could
Speaker 2: you rely on strangers? And yeah, but you know, she's
Speaker 2: a difficult person. And I think bron Win needs to
Speaker 2: figure out how to navigate her relationship with her mom,
Speaker 2: which she clearly wants to have one, knowing that her
Speaker 2: mom is never going to provide the type of love
Speaker 2: and support and care that Bronwin is longing for, Like
Speaker 2: Bronwin has to provide that to herself, like she could see,
Speaker 2: wouldn't you sister? How many sisters does she have? It
Speaker 2: feels like she's almost an only child because why are
Speaker 2: the parents always with her? Is that because she has
Speaker 2: a lot of money?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Right, I think she's at least two at least
Speaker 1: two sisters.
Speaker 2: And I've had to be fascinated. I want to know
Speaker 2: the birth order.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know, she's the one that was the
Speaker 1: bad one, you know, because her sister was pregnant at
Speaker 1: the same time, but but married, you know.
Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, it's coming back to me. Yes. And the
Speaker 2: thing that I thought was so interesting that I did
Speaker 2: not pick up on. But that Heather Gay did is
Speaker 2: that Muzzy is trying to tell make sure that it's
Speaker 2: clear to everyone that she's still a good Mormon.
Speaker 1: She didn't approve of what Brahmin did. And when they
Speaker 1: showed that, they rolled that scene again of Muzzy kind
Speaker 1: of being like, well, I don't know. I guess your
Speaker 1: kid would have been in foster care if I didn't
Speaker 1: take care of it. And when Brondon goes, why would
Speaker 1: you say that I would have taken to like that's dark,
Speaker 1: Like why would you say that to me about your granddaughter?
Speaker 1: You know? And I think that's all of that was like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm just going to show what a good Mormon I was.
Speaker 1: I didn't condone my daughter getting pregnant, and you know,
Speaker 1: but she still still is in that mindset no matter
Speaker 1: how old she is, you know.
Speaker 2: But it's wild because it's so different from like Protestant
Speaker 2: and Catholic, Like from my understanding of people I know
Speaker 2: in my life who are like really strict Catholics and
Speaker 2: then they have a kid that gets pregnant at a
Speaker 2: time that they don't expect. Yeah, they're pissed, they're upset.
Speaker 2: You had, you know, sex before marriage. You did all
Speaker 2: this stuff. But they are like, Okay, move in with me.
Speaker 2: We're going to raise this kid, like because they believe
Speaker 2: in life so much, it's so important for them to
Speaker 2: give this life a chance. And they all come together
Speaker 2: and then later on they're like, well, this was such
Speaker 2: a lessing for our family. You know. That's sort of
Speaker 2: more of the experience I've had with very religious people
Speaker 2: having dealt with teenage or unexpected pregnancies, so to it's
Speaker 2: just so foreign to me, this idea that like you're
Speaker 2: still mad about it and you're not focused on the outcome,
Speaker 2: which is like a granddaughter who has brought joy and so.
Speaker 1: You love Who's right?
Speaker 2: Love?
Speaker 1: Yeah, through the din during this com I.
Speaker 2: Know, I know it was driving me and like this
Speaker 2: is a real part. You know, you're like when you're pregnant,
Speaker 2: you're talking like theoretically you're like when this baby comes
Speaker 2: or what you know what I mean. But the baby,
Speaker 2: it's like a woman and she's here. It's it's the
Speaker 2: weirdest I just never seen anything like it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and so she said, you know, of course
Speaker 1: I Muzzy's mad at her about it. So that'll be
Speaker 1: next season. But yeah, and we talked. We get into
Speaker 1: the Todd conversation and they're talking about, you know, Todd
Speaker 1: when she was in Greece, did go and help her
Speaker 1: mom move? And you know, they're like, this is a
Speaker 1: nice part of Todd that we don't see, and and
Speaker 1: Andy goes, yeah, so maybe there are these parts of
Speaker 1: him that weren't shown. And then she goes, is there
Speaker 1: going to be more about Todd? And Andy goes, am
Speaker 1: I gonna ask more questions about Todd? Yes, I am.
Speaker 1: She goes, okay, well, then where? And then this is
Speaker 1: she's doing a little bit of a Lisa Meredith here.
Speaker 1: Now she's trying to lead the conversation like where do
Speaker 1: you want me to start with? What was on the
Speaker 1: show or where we are now? And he's like huh,
Speaker 1: like kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like sort of an and that's when
Speaker 2: she dropped the bomb that they were separated. I really
Speaker 2: wish that no one who was on set leaked that,
Speaker 2: because it sucks to keep leaking all this stuff. I
Speaker 2: don't know why people think it's fun. If you know something,
Speaker 2: don't share it, Like why it's not fun? I don't
Speaker 2: want to hear I want to see it. When I
Speaker 2: see it like, you know, when current cast is filming,
Speaker 2: like I don't want to see all these like Real Housewives,
Speaker 2: Ultimate Girls Trip like Portia and Vicki, and I wanted
Speaker 2: to be surprising to me, so just stop, just stop,
Speaker 2: you know. And it sucks when it's someone from the
Speaker 2: set or you know, I don't know, but it came
Speaker 2: out like that day. Yeah, it was like there were
Speaker 2: rumors that day. Yeah, and I'm just like, fuck, dude,
Speaker 2: I want to you know, enjoy my show.
Speaker 1: I know, because remember when Brittany had her show in
Speaker 1: New York, we had already heard the thing about Brahman
Speaker 1: and Bramwa was there and the audience like cheering and stuff.
Speaker 1: So anyway, okay, so talk about Todd. Okay. She says,
Speaker 1: you know, I saw myself this year saying things I
Speaker 1: didn't really mean, like saying I would be open, like
Speaker 1: I don't know if I really meant that. And she says,
Speaker 1: you know, we got to a place where I was
Speaker 1: feeling isolated. And no, the show didn't make him get divorced,
Speaker 1: but as every single person goes on the show gets
Speaker 1: a divorce. As the show puts a spotlight, you know
Speaker 1: on the problems and then she's you know. Todd was like,
Speaker 1: you can't talk to me about the problems in our marriage,
Speaker 1: but you also can't talk to your friends. And she's like,
Speaker 1: so I'm just supposed to like take it. I can't
Speaker 1: talk to him about it, and I can't talk to
Speaker 1: my friends about it. And she said she just started
Speaker 1: seeing that she makes a lot of choices on his
Speaker 1: behalf and doesn't ever like show up on behalf of herself,
Speaker 1: And it was hard to tell him he had to go.
Speaker 1: I was like, I love that. She was like, it
Speaker 1: was hard to tell him he had to go. Instead
Speaker 1: of being like I moved out, She's like, I told
Speaker 1: him to get out, which is, yeah, I enjoyed because.
Speaker 2: I don't think he lives there very often. I think
Speaker 2: she lives there. I think he is like living in
Speaker 2: San Francisco in New York.
Speaker 1: Did you think it was interesting that after they got separated,
Speaker 1: he went through and watched all the seasons of Salt
Speaker 1: Lake City, every single one, and then which when he
Speaker 1: wasn't even involved, and then made himself a Reddit and
Speaker 1: a Twitter and searched himself up and just she goes
Speaker 1: he and he was just a decimated version of himself.
Speaker 1: I was like, did he do this over a weekend? Like,
Speaker 1: what are we talking about here?
Speaker 2: That's I don't know what timeline we're talking about. But
Speaker 2: you know, he did invent palm pilots, So I do
Speaker 2: think that he is tech savvy. I don't think he's
Speaker 2: like some old man trying to figure out Reddit. I've
Speaker 2: never looked up my name on Reddit. I never want to.
Speaker 2: I don't google myself, Like except for when I applied
Speaker 2: for a job. Oh god, what's gonna happen when they
Speaker 2: google me? Let me just make.
Speaker 1: Sure yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: But I'm sure it was devastating, and I'm sure he
Speaker 2: doesn't view I think he thinks he shows love by
Speaker 2: like supporting her financially and supporting her family and that
Speaker 2: like that's enough. And she's basically saying that's not enough.
Speaker 2: I need more and you're not able to give it
Speaker 2: to me. And he was like, I don't think that
Speaker 2: was what our agreement was getting married, Like in his mind,
Speaker 2: he held up his part of the bargain and is
Speaker 2: confused why she sees him a certain way. And I
Speaker 2: don't know if it was hard for him to watch
Speaker 2: back and be like when he said, oh, do I
Speaker 2: not look at you during conversations. Maybe he didn't realize
Speaker 2: he was doing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, yeah, And we talk about the cherry, you
Speaker 1: know at the ice cream shop that was dark. It
Speaker 1: was so funny because everybody was like, yeah, that was
Speaker 1: really bad, and Mary goes, huh, I thought it was
Speaker 1: a joke. I thought it was cute. And they're all like, Mary,
Speaker 1: you're completely wrong, and she's like, oh, I don't know
Speaker 1: that I was funny. We no, he was, and they
Speaker 1: were like, he wasn't doing it to be funny. He's
Speaker 1: just doing it because he's completely tone deaf to what
Speaker 1: she literally just said. And now listening.
Speaker 2: I don't know how long ago they separated, but at
Speaker 2: Bravo Con, I think I told you this that that
Speaker 2: one night that me and Jody went out and we
Speaker 2: were at Mandelay Bay. When we first got to the bar,
Speaker 2: there was no one there, but then we realized Ron
Speaker 2: when was there. She was just dressed down. She was
Speaker 2: wearing like a tiight ice sweatshirt and jeans, and we
Speaker 2: thought she was barefoot, but she just was wearing flat nudes.
Speaker 2: He was dark, crying, She was crying, and it was
Speaker 2: a producer was with her and kind of consoling her,
Speaker 2: and then she would go back to like laughing kind
Speaker 2: of and crying. Like it was clear she was very emotional,
Speaker 2: but it didn't seem to be related to anything happening
Speaker 2: at Bravo or anything happening with her cast. Like I
Speaker 2: don't know how to explain it. Like the next day
Speaker 2: when I saw her on stage, she was fine, So
Speaker 2: I'm like, something is going on with her, and I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's show related, do you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? Like, I just I felt like she needed
Speaker 2: to confide in someone, and I think she didn't want
Speaker 2: to share it with the other women yet, Like I
Speaker 2: think she really needed time to process the decision she
Speaker 2: was making, and I feel like she was doing it
Speaker 2: with that producer that must be a very close producer
Speaker 2: to her. We can we also talk. I think this
Speaker 2: happened on the last episode. The last episode, so the
Speaker 2: second part of the reunion, But I thought it was
Speaker 2: really interesting when Meredith said she had a problem with production,
Speaker 2: and like everyone got involved and like was.
Speaker 1: That's here, that's coming up, Oh.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, Like that was probably the most shocking part
Speaker 2: of a reunion I've seen in a long time.
Speaker 1: I agree, because we can't. This is how how it
Speaker 1: happens is that, you know, they kind of say, like,
Speaker 1: Heather and Meredith, you know you're not doing good or something,
Speaker 1: and Heather goes, no, Meredith and I are not friends,
Speaker 1: and Meredith is like, you've said it three times, like
Speaker 1: I've got it, you know. And then Meredith says she's
Speaker 1: sorry that she called Heather a liar, and Meredith is like,
Speaker 1: I meant to say Whitney and Britney were liars, not Heather.
Speaker 1: They're the ones that lied about what happened on the plane.
Speaker 1: And Andy goes like this. He goes, Production's telling me
Speaker 1: that you pointed at Heather three different times and said
Speaker 1: she was a liar. And Meredith was like, okay, fine,
Speaker 1: production said it. So then they go into the conversation
Speaker 1: about This is how they go into the production thing,
Speaker 1: the conversation about when they were in Greece and Meredith
Speaker 1: was like, I just wanted to talk to my son
Speaker 1: Brooks on Mother's Day. It's Mother's show. Yes, yes, and
Speaker 1: Bron was like, yeah, we do think it's rude. You're
Speaker 1: there to work, We're not supposed to be on our phone.
Speaker 1: You could get on your phone later and Roma goes,
Speaker 1: we were all there on Mother's Day and we're all
Speaker 1: mothers and so no, we didn't understand why you were
Speaker 1: so upset, and Marey is like, well, I was really
Speaker 1: upset about something else. And then Andy goes, you were
Speaker 1: mad at production, and she goes m and Andy goes, well,
Speaker 1: you should talk about it, and he goes, I don't
Speaker 1: want to talk. It's a lot. It won't go well.
Speaker 1: So then we see two flashbacks from the reunion that
Speaker 1: we're watching. Okay, he goes, well, now you said twice
Speaker 1: at this reunion, so they flash back in the reunion
Speaker 1: twice for her throwing production under the bus. Once she
Speaker 1: says that was a whole setup by production, and then
Speaker 1: another time she says, well that guy edits it out.
Speaker 1: So Whitney goes, you know, I don't like this. Is
Speaker 1: now the third time you've said something about production, and
Speaker 1: I don't like it because there's a whole team behind
Speaker 1: the scenes that works with us and that's the reason
Speaker 1: we got picked for us weekly. And Mary starts and
Speaker 1: he goes, I don't like it when you talk bad
Speaker 1: about production. And Mary starts crying, and they're like, you're
Speaker 1: talking bad about production and that's half of what we
Speaker 1: do is production. And they're like, the reason we were
Speaker 1: saying you shouldn't be on your phone is we're there
Speaker 1: to work and you get on your phone as an
Speaker 1: excuse and make a big drama to get out of
Speaker 1: the hot seat, and we all see it. But they
Speaker 1: sort of past this production thing. But I was like,
Speaker 1: that's not cool. If the whole cast and production and
Speaker 1: Andy know that she's got beef with production.
Speaker 2: That's yeah, it's a bad thing. And I thought like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I think she has a valid point. The fact that
Speaker 2: they didn't show the stuff about anti Semitism, so it
Speaker 2: wasn't given like the story of why she was so upset,
Speaker 2: But she wouldn't have known that until after it aired, right,
Speaker 2: So whatever was going on in May when they were
Speaker 2: in Greece was something different that she was pissed about
Speaker 2: with because.
Speaker 1: Angy said you were having a problem and said you
Speaker 1: were having a problem with production, so he knew what
Speaker 1: it was, and she was like, was not gonna go well,
Speaker 1: but what was it? What was she mad at production about?
Speaker 2: She has such control issues. She has to control like
Speaker 2: every single part of herself and exactly how she comes across.
Speaker 2: She's very similar to Lisa in that way, and so
Speaker 2: she wants to control the entire narrative and if she can't,
Speaker 2: she loses it. And that's why she has an issue
Speaker 2: with production, is because they control the narrative, not her.
Speaker 1: Well, this is when they're saying, like, you always find
Speaker 1: some big reason to get out of the hot seat,
Speaker 1: and Andy says, okay, you know, Meredith, how did you
Speaker 1: feel when you saw Mary Whitney and Bramwin having that
Speaker 1: lunch and talking about your mood swings and that they
Speaker 1: you know, Mary cries she's worried for you, and she's well,
Speaker 1: that made me sad. But there was no truth to it,
Speaker 1: and it came it came off on camera that they
Speaker 1: were making accusations about me, and Proba was like, nobody
Speaker 1: was making an accusation. Now they were implying she had
Speaker 1: some sort of drinking yourselvesis problem, like.
Speaker 2: Oh, or mental health like mental health left it open. Yeah,
Speaker 2: something's off. Her behavior was off, her mood swings were off,
Speaker 2: and they noticed it and they're worried. And I think
Speaker 2: it showed, especially Mary concern, but Meredith like she has
Speaker 2: to keep It's almost like she's convincing herself that there's
Speaker 2: no problem by repeating that there's no problem.
Speaker 1: And I they showed the clip of Mary talking to
Speaker 1: her about the plane, yeah, and Marrit goes, well, it
Speaker 1: was like five minutes, and she was like, no, it wasn't.
Speaker 1: You know, we've never seen Mary Cosby drunk or pop
Speaker 1: an ambient or anything. So listen. If there's anybody that's
Speaker 1: a reliable narrator from this group, I think it's Mary.
Speaker 1: You could rely on her to kind of be sober
Speaker 1: and see what's happening.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, all of it's very odd. I don't
Speaker 2: know what it means for Meredith and the future of
Speaker 2: her on the show, because it seems like she has
Speaker 2: an issue with production. She doesn't like anyone on the
Speaker 2: cast except for Lisa, and that seems to be more
Speaker 2: of an alliance than a true friendship. And she just
Speaker 2: doesn't seem to want to show certain things like it's
Speaker 2: like as if she's on there solely to promote her brand. Right,
Speaker 2: and now she's got Caviat, she's Djane, she's got her jewelry.
Speaker 2: You know, she has her family that is on the
Speaker 2: new show in New York. You know, she's not what
Speaker 2: she's wanted. I think out of the show, and I
Speaker 2: think she's over it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Bronwin kind of addresses the fact that she
Speaker 1: was acting as Meredith's assistant and reporting things back to her,
Speaker 1: and then and then, you know, bron was like, and
Speaker 1: then you would act like it didn't happen, or and
Speaker 1: you would purposely do things off camera so that would
Speaker 1: make me look bad. And and then and says all
Speaker 1: of us have to have these hard conversations, So why
Speaker 1: are you a buffet? And Meyer was like, I've never
Speaker 1: bram was that she feels used by Meredith. Meredith does
Speaker 1: stuff off camera. Then we see the whole thing that
Speaker 1: I again, I love when they do these splashbucks because
Speaker 1: I totally forgot Meredith when she was in the bathtub
Speaker 1: telling Lisa that Brittany was like drinking all day, throwing
Speaker 1: up and continuing to drink and all this stuff, and
Speaker 1: they were like, well that sounds like an alcoholic And
Speaker 1: she got that information from Braman and brom was like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that I did any of that, you know,
Speaker 1: And Meredith, Meredith on her give her credit, said I
Speaker 1: want to circle back and say that if you didn't
Speaker 1: hear me. I am sorry. I was not using you
Speaker 1: and I didn't want it to come off that way.
Speaker 1: And Rob was like, I accept Lisa and she kind
Speaker 1: of have a fight about, you know, Lisa being superfessional,
Speaker 1: and Lisa goes, I don't want to go backwards and
Speaker 1: only want to move forwards. I was like, well, you're
Speaker 1: on the wrong show because it's all you guys do.
Speaker 2: And Lisa also always goes backwards, like the second she's upset,
Speaker 2: she goes immediately back to the last time she was
Speaker 2: offended or another time she was offended. Like she cannot
Speaker 2: move forwards. There are some people that really can, and
Speaker 2: she's just not one of them, and it's annoying that
Speaker 2: she keeps bringing it up. I also thought it was
Speaker 2: notable that Meredith did apologize to Bronwyin because I feel
Speaker 2: like she's trying to think about her future on the show,
Speaker 2: and I think she does enjoy Bronwin as a person,
Speaker 2: and I think she finds her less off putting than
Speaker 2: the others, and so she's like, well, I need to
Speaker 2: have some friends going in. You know. If she's stay,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if she wants to stay, I don't know.
Speaker 1: But but anyway, they wrap up with what they've learned.
Speaker 1: Heather talks about how much she cherishes the friendships and
Speaker 1: Ron when says she's learning that change can be good.
Speaker 1: Lisa says, you know what, I'm going to work on, Andy,
Speaker 1: You're gonna really like this one intake, you know, like
Speaker 1: I'm like into I'm going to take things. I'm going
Speaker 1: to listen more intake and Andy goes good, and so
Speaker 1: everybody goes good and he starts to move on. She
Speaker 1: was like, didn't you like that one that's for you?
Speaker 1: That was good? Intake Andy, He's like, okay, I got it.
Speaker 1: The end, Oh pop. I thought it was a great
Speaker 1: three part reunion. Sometimes the readniws don't need to be
Speaker 1: that long. I thought this one we needed all three parts.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: I wish they had spent a little more time going
Speaker 2: like it's almost like we could only get to certain
Speaker 2: levels because certain people just refuse to talk, right, So
Speaker 2: we couldn't really get into the plain thing in the
Speaker 2: way that I think we all wanted because she just
Speaker 2: refused to talk and Lisa refused to talk too, And
Speaker 2: then when it came to the like, I don't know
Speaker 2: the manicurist to the anti Semitic manicurist like kind of
Speaker 2: a sounds kind of crazy.
Speaker 1: Well, it's like it's like the Haitian mortician the anti
Speaker 1: Semitic manicurist exactly.
Speaker 2: And I really wish we had more of an opportunity
Speaker 2: to like get into that, because that really feels like
Speaker 2: that's where all of her anger towards Brittany was coming from,
Speaker 2: and then was really obnoxious when she's like, I did
Speaker 2: nothing to Brittany and she chose me and she just
Speaker 2: was mean to me from the beginning. And Andy's like
Speaker 2: maybe who's also Jewish by the way, was like maybe
Speaker 2: she didn't like you, and Meredith implying that she was
Speaker 2: rude because she was Jewish, which I think is that
Speaker 2: is taking it a step too far, like putting a
Speaker 2: good review on someone who is like being accused publicly
Speaker 2: in the papers in Salt Lake of being anti cement.
Speaker 2: It is very different than like, you didn't like me
Speaker 2: and it must be because I'm Jewish, Like that sucks, yeah.
Speaker 1: And I don't think I felt like Adie was just
Speaker 1: like maybe you guys just don't like each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's true, and that's what she should have
Speaker 2: taken Brittany's behavior like she can't say like, oh, you
Speaker 2: don't like me. It must be because I'm Jewish. This
Speaker 2: is not a good no. And that's not like A.
Speaker 2: And I get why Brittany's so upset because it's a
Speaker 2: it's not great to be called Sartain things. You know.
Speaker 1: Well, Meredith said the pill popping ruined her reputation or
Speaker 1: I highlighted it. I don't know. Beverly Hills. I'm going
Speaker 1: to talk about briefly. I did enjoy there was a
Speaker 1: scene this past week with Rachel going into what goes
Speaker 1: around comes around in Beverly Hills. I've been in that
Speaker 1: store and the sales clerk that was in that store
Speaker 1: is the sales clerk the way to not be. I
Speaker 1: texted Ingram immediately and I was like, it's that girl
Speaker 1: that's there.
Speaker 2: Yes, I loved that scene with her in Bows because
Speaker 2: I feel like she really likes bos you know, and
Speaker 2: I think Bose likes her. They're both like very powerful
Speaker 2: women that don't need to remind everyone of how powerful
Speaker 2: they are. And you can just tell that that is
Speaker 2: like her, like she's in the zone, like she is
Speaker 2: in her element when she's in a place with vintage clothing.
Speaker 2: I knew none of what she was talking about. It
Speaker 2: felt like she was speaking in foreign language. And she
Speaker 2: was just like the amount of energy she had, you know,
Speaker 2: normally she's like I die and she's like Chanelle blah
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah from the nineteen eighties. I'm like what,
Speaker 2: But that's what gets her going. And it's fun to
Speaker 2: watch because it is an art. Like how she dresses
Speaker 2: herself as an art, how she dresses others is an art.
Speaker 2: Her architecture of her house is an art. Like everything
Speaker 2: about her has art in it. And it's just fun
Speaker 2: to see someone in their element, you know. And I
Speaker 2: just I loved it.
Speaker 1: I loved it when Bo's was trying in that story,
Speaker 1: trying to explain to her about what Amanda does and
Speaker 1: She's like, no, wait, I thought she was a manifestor
Speaker 1: boss like which.
Speaker 2: She is, Like, she is a manifestor and that claims
Speaker 2: that you can manifest.
Speaker 1: Money money, and Bos goes, I've never seen anybody give
Speaker 1: business advice that has literally never had a job, Like,
Speaker 1: how did you get your money? Like you have to
Speaker 1: have a business plan. I loved how Bo's was like,
Speaker 1: I don't, and I love how. Rachel's like, I'm so confused.
Speaker 1: Am I okay? Moses like, no, you're not okay, You're
Speaker 1: not getting it. She doesn't have a job. She writes
Speaker 1: books telling people how to manifest money. And she's like,
Speaker 1: but she has a job. She's like, no, she doesn't.
Speaker 1: It was it's interesting. Now let's talk about this. Okay,
Speaker 1: So Sutton and Jennifer Tilly don't. I don't want to
Speaker 1: see these two queens having a fight. I don't like it.
Speaker 1: You know, I love Sutton, I love Jennifer Tilly. How
Speaker 1: did you feel about Kyle telling Sutton what Jennifer Tilly said?
Speaker 1: I didn't like it. She's good and she had to
Speaker 1: my guests because of the show, but.
Speaker 2: I just doing it as like a work thing. And
Speaker 2: I think she also knew that Jennifer Tilly and Sutton
Speaker 2: are so close that they would like make up. But
Speaker 2: she was like, I have to do my part and
Speaker 2: causing some sort of drama or being part of some
Speaker 2: sort of drama. That's what I thought, because just the
Speaker 2: fact that they like cleaned it up so quickly. I
Speaker 2: even think Sutton overblew how angry she was with Jennifer
Speaker 2: Tilly like to Erica to try and like make it
Speaker 2: more of a thing than it was.
Speaker 1: I love how she's telling Eric and Aaron's like, oh shit, yeah,
Speaker 1: I wow.
Speaker 2: Love Erica this season. I am obsessed with like and
Speaker 2: I love when she's nice to people because, like her
Speaker 2: way of being nice is so unique, right, like not
Speaker 2: this episode, but last episode or whatever episode it was
Speaker 2: where Sutton was like losing her mind and she was like,
Speaker 2: don't let this bring you to a bad space. We're
Speaker 2: all in a really good place with you, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. Like it's coming from her, it just
Speaker 2: means so much because she says so few words and
Speaker 2: so few words that are like encouraging that it just
Speaker 2: means the world. So when I love seeing her be
Speaker 2: nice to others, Yeah, it's a good look on her.
Speaker 2: I think she has it in her. She pretended she
Speaker 2: didn't know what empathy was, but I think she does.
Speaker 1: At that time, I think she was so blocked by
Speaker 1: the world. She Yeah, she definitely didn't know what empathy.
Speaker 2: Was, right, she was seeing herself as a victim.
Speaker 1: Now we were introduced, and I forgot about this, So
Speaker 1: I watched this right before we recorded that this new
Speaker 1: girl Natalie came in that was married to Simon Fuller,
Speaker 1: and she came out.
Speaker 2: I like, don't know these people.
Speaker 1: Let me let me tell you who Simon. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I know, but I'm but I'm going to say it.
Speaker 1: I'm going to say it wrong. Simon Fuller a British entrepreneur.
Speaker 1: He's a he's a a big producer and like a manager, right,
Speaker 1: and he's not Simon Cowell. He's a different person and televisions.
Speaker 1: He's the creator. He's the creator of American Idol, Okay
Speaker 1: and God just as the production side. So yeah, he
Speaker 1: is a big deal and he's very very wealthy. And
Speaker 1: so he's married to this girl Natalie, and she comes
Speaker 1: as rachel Zo's friend. I was like, okay, is this
Speaker 1: a friend of because we spent a lot of time
Speaker 1: talking about her outfit and meeting her, So she must
Speaker 1: be a friend up.
Speaker 2: Huh, I think so, because she's in next week, like
Speaker 2: the promo for next week I thought I saw her also, Okay,
Speaker 2: So I'm interested in her totally, And I like anyone
Speaker 2: that rachel Zo brings because I like rachel Zo so much,
Speaker 2: and I think she likes to keep interesting people around
Speaker 2: her that stories, do you know what I mean? That's
Speaker 2: why she kind of connected with Bo's That's why I
Speaker 2: think she connects with Kathy, like people who have shit
Speaker 2: that they've seen life.
Speaker 1: You know, what did you think about Amanda making fun
Speaker 1: of Jerreet not writing her own book? And then there's like, shit,
Speaker 1: I didn't write my book. We're like, yeah, we know,
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: I love that. Erica said that it's the fact that
Speaker 2: she brought it up. I think twice.
Speaker 1: It was three times. Three times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she didn't do it just once.
Speaker 1: She's like, I thought everybody wrote their own books. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess because I'm an author, because
Speaker 1: I'm a writer.
Speaker 2: I was like, girl, everyone knows that there are ghost writers,
Speaker 2: especially for people who you know, aren't writers themselves, and
Speaker 2: you know, people to help. And what I would have
Speaker 2: done if I had like put my foot in my
Speaker 2: mouth like that, I would have been like, oh, tell
Speaker 2: me about this mother daughter duo, Like why do you
Speaker 2: think they're the right fit? Right?
Speaker 1: I would do ways around it. But she just kept going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she she does this thing, and rachel Zo clocked
Speaker 2: it where she has to put other people down to
Speaker 2: lift herself up and I love that Rachel, Zoe and
Speaker 2: Bo's like they and Kathy Hilton like they don't have
Speaker 2: to do that. They're just elevated, right, And they are not.
Speaker 2: And Amanda is very insecure and that's why she does it.
Speaker 2: People who act like when she was like, oh, I
Speaker 2: feel like I belong in every space that I go into.
Speaker 2: When she said that, I was like, that's a person
Speaker 2: who doesn't feel like they belong in every space they
Speaker 2: go into. And basically she's a fake it to you
Speaker 2: get person where she fake sit so much that she's
Speaker 2: like making it kind of a thing. But her talking
Speaker 2: obnoxious and deep.
Speaker 1: Dot I think she's I think she studied every episode
Speaker 1: of this show. I think she's this is her chance
Speaker 1: and she's going to take it. And I will say
Speaker 1: this week, the storyline, you know, she had a child
Speaker 1: that died, is the twin of her other son that
Speaker 1: is still alive. This is completely devastating. There's not any
Speaker 1: human on the world that would wouldn't agree that this
Speaker 1: is devastating. It's a devastating time for their family, and
Speaker 1: the anniversary rolls around and it's terrible. I appreciate the
Speaker 1: scene with her and her husband talking about it. But listen,
Speaker 1: I think sitting at that dinner and then having somebody
Speaker 1: bring something up against her and then go, oh, you're
Speaker 1: you're insensitive because you're not understanding, and then Durita saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: well then we don't have to talk about it, and
Speaker 1: she goes, but don't you think it's bad that you're
Speaker 1: talking about Pka's alcoholism? And she's like, do you want
Speaker 1: to talk about it or not to talk about it?
Speaker 2: You know, I felt like Dery should have just taken
Speaker 2: the note and just immediately dropped it.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, and then let's change the subject.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, didn't you know what? We can talk about
Speaker 2: this another time. Yeah, totally. It was just it's one
Speaker 2: of those things that's just yeah, you can use it
Speaker 2: to shut down a conversation, but I and she was
Speaker 2: using it to shut down a conversation. But it's also
Speaker 2: I would rather hear like her talk more about that
Speaker 2: experience and having the other women talk to her. I
Speaker 2: actually think that Bose would benefit to have a conversation
Speaker 2: with the me because Bo's lost a child. Yes I
Speaker 2: believe too, or maybe it wasn't born yet, but you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like far along, and the twin
Speaker 2: situation is so much more common than people realize. Where
Speaker 2: you know, twin pregnancies are are very dangerous, they are,
Speaker 2: they're complicated, and there's so many different types of twin
Speaker 2: pregnancies and the placenta and who gets most of what
Speaker 2: you know, it's all very delicate and there's a lot
Speaker 2: more of these scenarios than people realize. And especially if
Speaker 2: they're both born the same day and one remains, you're
Speaker 2: always reminded of the child that you lost in a
Speaker 2: way that's different than even if you just not that
Speaker 2: it's better or worse, just different than if you just
Speaker 2: lost a child. Like this is you have to celebrate
Speaker 2: one and also more in the loss of the other.
Speaker 2: It's like trying to hold space for both, which is
Speaker 2: very complex emotionally, I think, very and.
Speaker 1: Well, that's why I was interested in the conversation with
Speaker 1: her and her husband and her sort of stay into
Speaker 1: the psychic My husband feels my son more and I don't,
Speaker 1: And all of that was very interesting to me. And
Speaker 1: I think production did the rest of the ladies a
Speaker 1: disservice by not letting them know this was going on,
Speaker 1: because I think if the rest of the ladies would
Speaker 1: have known, then they wouldn't have been like, ooh, at
Speaker 1: the table, you know, Durite's gonna bring this up because
Speaker 1: like or hate Dared or whatever. She definitely is not
Speaker 1: such an asshole that she would want to hurt someone
Speaker 1: in that way. But you know, then it kept going
Speaker 1: like Uri would go, you're right, we're not going to
Speaker 1: talk about it. But then Amanda would bring it back up,
Speaker 1: and Jury's like, are we going to talk about it
Speaker 1: or not? But she didn't shut it.
Speaker 2: Down right away. I feel like shut it down right away.
Speaker 2: She just kind of kept talking around it like it
Speaker 2: because she can't stop talking, so she ends up talking
Speaker 2: herself with the footnote because she can't shut up. Like
Speaker 2: all she had to do was like, I'm really sorry
Speaker 2: I didn't know that, and we can discuss this another time.
Speaker 1: I wish I think she would have told them so
Speaker 1: that they wouldn't have brought up anything.
Speaker 2: Say things like that, because really, yeah, I think they
Speaker 2: just film right what happens, and they may not all know.
Speaker 2: It may just be like a couple people the producers
Speaker 2: or whatever that know, and maybe they weren't involved in
Speaker 2: the filming of the group event. So and it is interesting.
Speaker 1: I don't know because they get they did twice. They
Speaker 1: showed Kathy twice going is that your dog? And she's
Speaker 1: like my child? And I was like, she was confused,
Speaker 1: Yeah she was. Wasn't trying to be funny, she wasn't
Speaker 1: trying confused.
Speaker 2: And then when she got read. I really appreciated watching
Speaker 2: Kathy be empathetic and kind because she was like wet
Speaker 2: and got to read and was like, come on, go apologize.
Speaker 2: And then you know, I get it when Amanda was like,
Speaker 2: don't touch me. I got that, like and then you know,
Speaker 2: it's like you're going to apologize, but then you're going
Speaker 2: to still keep explaining yourself, Like stop the explaining of yourself,
Speaker 2: stop the butts. Just say like I'm really really sorry.
Speaker 2: Would give you a hug? Yeah, I'll leave you alone.
Speaker 2: Would you mind if I give you a hug? I
Speaker 2: am terribly sorry. Like I think in those moments where
Speaker 2: someone is so emotional, it's just really important to like
Speaker 2: ask fre consent to touch that. If you don't have
Speaker 2: a close relationship where you usually touch them, do you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? This is like a close friends.
Speaker 2: So I felt very bad for Amanda in that situation,
Speaker 2: and I feel like the dinner could have totally gone
Speaker 2: differently if they had given her space to talk and
Speaker 2: then and maybe like share a bit about I don't
Speaker 2: know her current I can't remember. It was like Zion
Speaker 2: and Canaan kiss that very biblical names, So I don't
Speaker 2: know if it's like they were like, well, how you know,
Speaker 2: how is Canan's third birthday? Is that, you know, like
Speaker 2: they could get a conversation and we could have gotten
Speaker 2: to know a different side of hers.
Speaker 1: I just wish that the thing wouldn't have gotten brought up,
Speaker 1: I know, because it was you know, you could see
Speaker 1: everybody's face is genuinely like, oh God, this is awkward.
Speaker 1: And then what do you say because it is such
Speaker 1: a serious, dark, deep wound, and then we're bringing it
Speaker 1: up at dinner. And then of course at the same time,
Speaker 1: they don't like Amanda, so they're like, okay, you know,
Speaker 1: now she's just going to use this to get out,
Speaker 1: like Meredith using I couldn't doctor Brooks on Mother's Day
Speaker 1: to get out of a conversation. So it's like Amanda
Speaker 1: can't win in this situation no matter what. So she
Speaker 1: did the best thing to be like I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: go home, and I shouldn't have come because she shouldn't
Speaker 1: have come.
Speaker 2: I think, actually I think she should have come just
Speaker 2: the way that Bow's you know, I mean, two days
Speaker 2: after uh egg retrieval you can get I mean, I
Speaker 2: guess it depends on how it goes, right, But like,
Speaker 2: if you're feeling emotional and you have all the hormones
Speaker 2: and you're still in a little bit of pain, then like, yeah,
Speaker 2: stay at home, right, Like did.
Speaker 1: You see that that whoever is that doctor she's using
Speaker 1: is like shut down now?
Speaker 2: Well, I was wondering because.
Speaker 1: It's it seems people are like, first of all, this
Speaker 1: doctor is not using correct doctor language, whoever this doctor is,
Speaker 1: And then people somebody posted in one of the various
Speaker 1: Bravo Facebook groups and it was a picture of the
Speaker 1: front door of that woman's practice. It was like, the
Speaker 1: have been taken because you haven't paid your rent.
Speaker 2: I thought it was a red flag that she was
Speaker 2: flying to Nevada to do something that you could do
Speaker 2: easier in La.
Speaker 1: Right, you're maybe in La.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I think there are sometimes rules that a
Speaker 2: practice may have over age or different circumstances. And I'm
Speaker 2: someone who went through it where I froze my eggs
Speaker 2: and I have a medical condition that made it so
Speaker 2: that my eggs stopped being produced at a very young age.
Speaker 2: So I went through very similar to her, where it's
Speaker 2: like you see six and then you get too kind
Speaker 2: of a thing, like you don't get what you think
Speaker 2: you're going to get, and it's a lot of poking
Speaker 2: and potting and blood taking and not not. You don't
Speaker 2: really get what you want out of it, and the
Speaker 2: odds are not in your favor. And at her age,
Speaker 2: you know, I did it when I was like thirty six.
Speaker 2: That's very different than doing it at like forty eight,
Speaker 2: which is how old I think she is. And there
Speaker 2: are a lot of like risks of pumping yourself with
Speaker 2: that many hormones, there are a lot of things that
Speaker 2: can go wrong. I think flying, I hope they drove
Speaker 2: to get to Nevada, because like, I don't think flying
Speaker 2: with all of that is a good idea. Like there's
Speaker 2: just and so I'm not shocked that that place is
Speaker 2: shut down.
Speaker 1: I think doctor, it might not be. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: all allegedly. We don't know about the doctor, but it
Speaker 1: does seem a little sketch.
Speaker 2: Well, it seems sketch to leave the state when you're
Speaker 2: in LA. It just that sketch NonStop.
Speaker 1: That you're in Los Angeles, conforts.
Speaker 2: Los Angeles had like a cutoff of a certain age,
Speaker 2: like we're not going to work with women over forty six,
Speaker 2: so we're not going to work with women or whatever
Speaker 2: the age is. Yeah, or we're not gonna implant it
Speaker 2: in you because the health risks are too high. And
Speaker 2: you it's not just your age, it's that you've had
Speaker 2: two previous pregnancies that had that were very dangerous. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: and so yeah, I don't know. I also really didn't
Speaker 2: like that She's like, I'm not sure what's going to
Speaker 2: happen if this doesn't work because of heally killy, And
Speaker 2: I'm like, get an egg donor like adopt, Like there's
Speaker 2: so many options.
Speaker 1: Lots of choices.
Speaker 2: Why does not have choice or egg? Like when if
Speaker 2: you're going through and if if a medical professional is
Speaker 2: telling you this isn't really a good idea, which I
Speaker 2: think she had heard from others, which is why she
Speaker 2: turned to this place in Nevada. Yeah. I mean, but people,
Speaker 2: when you're desperate and when you really want something, you're
Speaker 2: willing to listen to whoever you know, and you're like,
Speaker 2: they have a doctor, you know, they have a doctor degree,
Speaker 2: they medical degree, like you know.
Speaker 1: They have they have a clinic. That must be fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and or talk to someone that had success, right,
Speaker 2: that was also older, you know, and it can like yeah, Kenya,
Speaker 2: look at she carried out. That's true.
Speaker 1: You know who else had a clinic? Denise's husband airy,
Speaker 1: Oh well that's it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I actually couldn't watch her show because of him, Like
Speaker 2: he is such a fraud and he made money and
Speaker 2: took money from people who are very desperate with cancer,
Speaker 2: saying yeah with lasers, and it's just it's sad to
Speaker 2: watch it's and he seems to be a horrible man
Speaker 2: and his family seems horrible as well. And so I
Speaker 2: was right and to not watch that show because I
Speaker 2: couldn't his energy I could feel through the screen. I
Speaker 2: was like, this is so dark and disgusting, and like,
Speaker 2: I don't I don't feel good or safe watching this.
Speaker 1: And did you see that his mom started to gofund
Speaker 1: me for him. Is said it was for it was
Speaker 1: for him and her granddaughter. She's claiming, you know, the
Speaker 1: daughter Eloie claiming that's her granddaughter, and that it's starting
Speaker 1: a GoFundMe they were gonna be he and Eloise would
Speaker 1: be homeless, which of course is not the case. And yeah,
Speaker 1: they'll be interesting when she comes back on our screen.
Speaker 1: I'll be interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm wondering did did her husband have custody of Eloise? Like,
Speaker 2: did he ever file formal adoption papers? Because that could.
Speaker 1: Be I kind of feel like no, I feel like
Speaker 1: I thought single and then.
Speaker 2: She met Aaron, so he has no legal rights to her.
Speaker 1: No legal rights. But maybe you know, she's like they
Speaker 1: could spend time together because Eloise does know him. But
Speaker 1: if everything we don't know about him is true, then
Speaker 1: maybe not. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if he was physically violent with her
Speaker 2: in front of Eloise, that's the reason not to have
Speaker 2: Eloise near him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when we don't know, it's all legit. Don't don't
Speaker 1: come at us, Aaron Fifers whatever you can come at me.
Speaker 2: I think you're a piece of shit and I don't
Speaker 2: think you have your name. You can't sue me. I'm
Speaker 2: more my big account that he has in his He
Speaker 2: said he had no money, and I'm going to take
Speaker 2: him at his word.
Speaker 1: May Oh Mandy. You're so funny, man, Mandy, tell people
Speaker 1: where they can find your podcast that I love so much.
Speaker 2: You can find me at is This Real Life with
Speaker 2: Mandy Slutsker, anywhere that you listen to podcasts, Spotify, Apple Podcasts.
Speaker 2: I'm sure there are other, you know, avenues. And I'm
Speaker 2: at Mandy Slutsker on Instagram and I'm also on threads recently.
Speaker 2: Still unsure how to use threads, but I enjoy it
Speaker 2: because the algorithm for me has been like way more
Speaker 2: positive and some of the people that I like. I'm
Speaker 2: only on Twitter to follow to follow Capital Weather Gang,
Speaker 2: which did help me out when I was in a
Speaker 2: vine and Gran came in last week. They told me
Speaker 2: not to mess with my flight and I didn't and
Speaker 2: I got home. So I'm grateful for them. And I
Speaker 2: follow this one journalist, Jake Sherman, who always knows what's
Speaker 2: happening in Capitol Hill before it actually happens. But now
Speaker 2: you can find them on threads, which is just so
Speaker 2: much more pleasant because the algorithm, for whatever reason, is
Speaker 2: just giving me more positive stuff. And Joe does yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: And someone was like, oh wait, you just haven't gotten
Speaker 2: to like the bad part of threads. Yet I was like,
Speaker 2: maybe the things that I'm consuming are like giving me
Speaker 2: more good things. But with Twitter, I can consume good
Speaker 2: stuff and it will like throw me like absolute shit.
Speaker 2: I'm going to show you a bunch of videos that
Speaker 2: are going to ruin your day and a bunch of
Speaker 2: people that are really mean and hate each other and
Speaker 2: going at it and not solving any problems.
Speaker 1: Yes, and that's too bad because Twitter used to be fun.
Speaker 1: But threads, I don't. I don't quite understand threads either,
Speaker 1: because it's like you have to pick a subject and
Speaker 1: then maybe it drops things happen below that.
Speaker 2: But so I don't. I just look at whatever comes up.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just really like the yeah.
Speaker 2: And then I'm done. Yeah. So I'm like, oh, and
Speaker 2: it's been good stuff so far. So and I've connected
Speaker 2: with a lot of like Minnesota people, yeah, which has
Speaker 2: been which has been fun. Like someone talked about my
Speaker 2: one of my favorite restaurants in Minneapolis on the on
Speaker 2: the thread and I was like, they have the best
Speaker 2: grilled cheese and tomato soup in the entire state of Minnesota.
Speaker 2: Shout out to lowbrow.
Speaker 1: My daughter. I thinks that she is the grilled cheest
Speaker 1: grilled cheese expert of the world. So next time or
Speaker 1: if I mean, I've been to Minneapolis, but if she
Speaker 1: ever gets there, I will tell her.
Speaker 2: Yes, not like super fancy grilled cheese and.
Speaker 1: Like diner solid this is it's so good. She likes
Speaker 1: like a white bread and an American cheese. I mean
Speaker 1: she likes low Brow is called the low Brow. Is
Speaker 1: that what you say?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the name of the restaurant. I love it
Speaker 2: in Minnesota or thinking of going to Minneapolis when the
Speaker 2: weather gets better to support a wonderful state. A low
Speaker 2: Brow is a great place.
Speaker 1: Okay, Wow, it's a good turn.
Speaker 2: And the menu because I normally go there with my
Speaker 2: four year old niece.
Speaker 1: I love the kids in you myself. Speaking of that,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go grab some dinner. Well, thank you very much, Mandy.
Speaker 1: Everybody make sure you're following Mandy over there on the
Speaker 1: social media and listening to her podcast that comes out
Speaker 1: on Sundays, which is great because a lot of things
Speaker 1: don't come out on Sundays, so it's nice to have
Speaker 1: some Bravo on Sunday.
Speaker 2: And thank you so much to very pain. You are
Speaker 2: one of my favorite people that I've met through podcasting.
Speaker 2: You're real human being. It is fun to see you
Speaker 2: in real life, separate from this whole world. I love
Speaker 2: your producer Ingrid, also from Minnesota. You guys are just
Speaker 2: such good people and you put out such good content.
Speaker 2: So thanks for, you know, putting out stuff that makes
Speaker 2: us laugh during some pretty rough times.
Speaker 1: Listen, man, we're trying. It's rough out here. It's rough
Speaker 1: out here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the thing could go wrong. It does essentially in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. I thought it was twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: But I do get to see Mandy sometimes in person
Speaker 1: because we're both in the DC area, So that's fun sometimes.
Speaker 1: And every time there's like an event, I'm like, Mandy,
Speaker 1: are you going? Should I go? Shesty either are you
Speaker 1: gonna go? Should I go? You're gonna go to Dandy
Speaker 1: Cohen's book Sunny? Are you gonna go? So whenever anything
Speaker 1: comes up, we always chat about who's gonna go. Generally,
Speaker 1: you know me, I don't leave my house, but Mandy
Speaker 1: usually goes.
Speaker 2: Well. We can hang out once the weather's a little
Speaker 2: better and you can drive it.
Speaker 1: Amen. When I can get out of my driveway, I'll
Speaker 1: come and see.
Speaker 2: It's literal, it's Actually it's so bad. And I'm saying
Speaker 2: this is someone who like grew up like outside Minneapolis,
Speaker 2: Like you can't get it's hard to get around.
Speaker 1: It's hard. Yeah, I just bought one of those little
Speaker 1: tints that you could put in your yard for the dogs.
Speaker 1: It's like a little mini greenhouse and then it tucks
Speaker 1: that here and then you can send your dog out
Speaker 1: and then they'll be on the grass but covered.
Speaker 2: Ah, that's brilliant.
Speaker 1: Yes, since we have a little patch of grass that
Speaker 1: we have shoveled out for them, we're gonna put the
Speaker 1: little tent on top of it and that way they'll
Speaker 1: go out in the snow. Because you know, one of
Speaker 1: the dogs looks at the snow and is like, nope,
Speaker 1: I'll be on the porch. You're like, we're gonna can't
Speaker 1: poop on the porch. So yeah, it's real struggle.
Speaker 2: Really doesn't mind the snow and ice, but it is
Speaker 2: like hard to find a place to go when it's
Speaker 2: like you're walking on solid ice. You're like do I
Speaker 2: And then you know if they pee, they like kind
Speaker 2: of melt it and the kind of sinkle.
Speaker 1: I think we have another week or two of this
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna be done. We'll be done with
Speaker 1: this with the snow, and then we'll you'll melt and
Speaker 1: I'll melt, and I'll we'll try to see each other. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, Bye me, Andy,