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Speaker 3: How you doing, buddy, I'm doing well. Thanks, Yeah, it
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Speaker 1: You are?
Speaker 3: I say it all the time. And our next guest,
Speaker 3: who has my sincere permission to always be over the
Speaker 3: phone and not in studio because he is such a
Speaker 3: true pro Craig Bowler, Jack Bowler, how are you?
Speaker 4: He's spent some good I'd rather be setting alongside you
Speaker 4: and Gordo, but appreciate just the time to chat.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: It's Gordo. How you been man, I've been all right.
Speaker 1: I mean, staying out of trouble for the most part
Speaker 1: as far as you know.
Speaker 4: Well, Spence and I don't believe that, but we'll try
Speaker 4: to take your word for it.
Speaker 2: Today.
Speaker 3: Well, it's great to have both you here and Craig.
Speaker 3: We're gonna take advantage of having you with us for
Speaker 3: the first segment to do just a little bit of jazz,
Speaker 3: just a skosh, because ultimately people on football were going
Speaker 3: to give him college football Gordon's been writing about both
Speaker 3: BYU and Utah. Both BYU and Utah remain clean, and
Speaker 3: your beloved case State Alma Mater had to go home
Speaker 3: with the yel. But our friend Howard Beck, who joins
Speaker 3: the show for the NBA Daily Assist every year with
Speaker 3: the Ringer, he does this every year. He talks about
Speaker 3: his tiers in pro basketball and trying to understand the
Speaker 3: direction of the team. It's not a win lost guests,
Speaker 3: although Pelton did that today. It's more of like, Okay,
Speaker 3: here's what the Raptors are doing, here's what the Knicks
Speaker 3: are doing. Here's what Howard wrote about the Jazz. Okay,
Speaker 3: and I'll read it in Craig. I want your.
Speaker 4: Reaction, yes yes, quote.
Speaker 3: And as for the Jazz, they might be the most
Speaker 3: confusing of all. A team that jettison it's two all
Speaker 3: stars two years ago, isn't good enough to make the
Speaker 3: playoffs and isn't bad enough to nab a high draft pick.
Speaker 3: They could have dealt lowry market in a dozen times
Speaker 3: by now, but they instead gave Hi him an extension
Speaker 3: that makes him ineligible until next summer. They're neither trying
Speaker 3: to win, nor they're trying to lose the epitome of
Speaker 3: a franchise with an identity crisis.
Speaker 4: What do you make of that, Craig no I think
Speaker 4: you know he's spout on. I think there is an
Speaker 4: identity crisis. From my chair, I'm not privy to all
Speaker 4: the inside, behind the doors conversations, but you know, we
Speaker 4: will talk tomorrow in a press conference with Ryan Smith
Speaker 4: and Danny and Justin Zannik, and maybe some of this
Speaker 4: will be clarified. I think it's very clear that they
Speaker 4: kept marketing as a centerpiece of a of a young
Speaker 4: team that maybe Danny again has something Spence and Gordo
Speaker 4: that he sees marketing able to lure someone else in.
Speaker 4: I don't know, but you have to win to do that.
Speaker 4: And you know what I think is here is that
Speaker 4: the Jazz may fly under the radar of popularity for
Speaker 4: the first time in eons because of a hockey team
Speaker 4: in town that's going to steal a lot of eyes
Speaker 4: from the Jazz. Now do they fly under the radar?
Speaker 4: Maybe they like that, you know, but I find it
Speaker 4: still intriguing for me that you have two professional teams
Speaker 4: in town, Vine for eyes, television, Vine for ticket sales,
Speaker 4: Jazz and the Utah Hockey Club and sponsorship money. And
Speaker 4: you know, when you're both winning, it makes it a
Speaker 4: little easier. There's so much excitement surrounded this hockey team,
Speaker 4: and I totally understand why, but you know that doesn't
Speaker 4: give the Jazz a pass. I mean, the one thing
Speaker 4: this team's always done was trying to be a playoff team,
Speaker 4: and right now, very few give them any chance of
Speaker 4: winning thirty games, maybe twenty five, unless something happens of
Speaker 4: maybe oddity, that one of these six young players that
Speaker 4: have been taken in the last two years now three
Speaker 4: this past summer and three last summer, actually one or
Speaker 4: two of them pop. And what I mean by that
Speaker 4: is that they make a huge advancement in their development
Speaker 4: as an NBA pro. I guess we'll all wait and see,
Speaker 4: but no, it is unpredictable. It is a scratch of
Speaker 4: the head of what direction the Jazz want to go.
Speaker 4: And I think you know, we all talked to three
Speaker 4: of us, had many summer conversations about marketing, and he's right,
Speaker 4: you know, he was in every rumor. He was in
Speaker 4: every discussion, mostly with Golden State and other teams that
Speaker 4: were interested in marketing. To really put that particular team
Speaker 4: over the top UH market, and I think chose to
Speaker 4: stay here. And you know what, that's a rarity by itself, Svince,
Speaker 4: and I think we're gonna get the answers we need
Speaker 4: to know here very soon. We're going to play first
Speaker 4: preseason game a week from tomorrow night, and it's gonna
Speaker 4: be let's just say this, it's going to be youth
Speaker 4: on stage. I mean, there's no there's no question about that.
Speaker 3: Pordo from my band, and I mean this sincerely. I
Speaker 3: don't know that I can remember a season that's approaching
Speaker 3: with this little buzz and excitement about the Jazz in
Speaker 3: our market. That's just my kind of my feel about it.
Speaker 3: Where you're at right now as we enter training camp
Speaker 3: and as Craig mentioned, the first preseason game right around
Speaker 3: the corner.
Speaker 1: I agree with the spence. And last year I was
Speaker 1: shocked that the building was as full as it was
Speaker 1: a game after game after game, and I wondered, how
Speaker 1: long can this last? I mean, Jazz fans are really
Speaker 1: good fans, and they have that reputation around the league.
Speaker 1: But but maybe it's maybe it's you know, U tall
Speaker 1: football BYU football. Maybe it's Utah hockey club. Maybe there's
Speaker 1: other things going on that are distractions to the jazz
Speaker 1: and Bowler, you've brought that up a lot about what
Speaker 1: the relationship will be between hockey and basketball and whether
Speaker 1: there's a friendly competition there or how that goes as
Speaker 1: far as ticket sales is concerned, And I don't know.
Speaker 1: I agree expectations are extremely low. Bowler, and I just
Speaker 1: don't see a likelihood or any kind of high percentage
Speaker 1: or even a modest percentage that they're really going to
Speaker 1: provide a product this year that people are going to go, wow,
Speaker 1: look at this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there'll be little, you know, tidbits here there, Keyante,
Speaker 3: you know, growing, Cody popping, whatever it is, but nothing.
Speaker 3: And I think Howard's point is the right point. And
Speaker 3: I've been on it for two years. I was never
Speaker 3: like trade everybody and get rid of Dennis and Quinn.
Speaker 3: I was never that guy. But okay, that's the deal,
Speaker 3: all right, then go all in on a rebuild. Howard's
Speaker 3: point is the one I've been yelling about for two years.
Speaker 3: What is the direction? Where is your lane? And everybody's
Speaker 3: talking about this prior to the NBA season. Anyone who
Speaker 3: writes about the Jazz are just kind of like no
Speaker 3: clue man, no idea, some decent pieces here or there.
Speaker 3: You know, Craig will give you the final word. The
Speaker 3: let's do some college football Spence.
Speaker 4: I think you know what maybe led us all astray
Speaker 4: was one comment last year after the season with Danny
Speaker 4: when he said he was potentially big game hunting, and
Speaker 4: I think that just kind of stuck thinking that the
Speaker 4: big move was imminent, right, wouldn't need to agree? I
Speaker 4: mean that comment to me when I sat there, I thought,
Speaker 4: oh wow, okay, now we kind of see youth with
Speaker 4: another piece or two with marketing most likely, and then
Speaker 4: they'll let the young guys grow around a veteran. I
Speaker 4: can't say core, but you mix and you still don't
Speaker 4: achieve what you want, but you have a blending of
Speaker 4: talent and also a way for young players to understand
Speaker 4: what it takes to be a pro in this league,
Speaker 4: the work ethic right, and how to take losses and
Speaker 4: how to handle wins and balance all that that did
Speaker 4: not occur Drew you Banks, Patty Mills, you know, long
Speaker 4: long term veterans, and so that may or may not
Speaker 4: have any role in this team at all. I just
Speaker 4: see marketing the centerpiece and around a bunch of young
Speaker 4: nineteen twenty year olds. I think I'm intrigued with Walker Kessler.
Speaker 4: Will he win games?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 4: Not by himself? And of course Philipowski has some talent
Speaker 4: out of Duke of this early second round pick, Cody Williams,
Speaker 4: what does he do? Does Hey does keante bust open?
Speaker 4: Is this guy really the guy that's going to run
Speaker 4: this team? I don't know, And I guess we'll all
Speaker 4: I hate to say this, we'll all find out together.
Speaker 4: But as this conversation continues, people I run into asking
Speaker 4: the same thing. I said, Look, you know I don't
Speaker 4: have I don't have that magic, you know magic, but
Speaker 4: you know singing ball that can predict anything. I think
Speaker 4: we just have to find out together on what what
Speaker 4: direction Danny really thinks in the evaluation of these young guys,
Speaker 4: if the actually are going to stick, or if there'll
Speaker 4: be pieces that would be moved before the trade deadline
Speaker 4: or next season. But yeah, it's kind of interesting to
Speaker 4: watch the Jazz for the first time in a long
Speaker 4: time not be the talking point of the fall going
Speaker 4: into camp, and to have a hockey club and NHL
Speaker 4: franchise really kind of stealing the headlines right now, All right.
Speaker 3: Let's do some college football, because Craig, I know your
Speaker 3: time is limited. I want to get some of your
Speaker 3: takes here, but Gordon will start with you on the
Speaker 3: Utes going to Stillwater and getting to win with their
Speaker 3: backup quarterback. Now, I've been talking about it all week.
Speaker 3: I don't love the lack of information, but I understand
Speaker 3: why Kyle does it. And until Kyle gets the email
Speaker 3: from the Big Twelve saying we report injuries now like
Speaker 3: the NFL and the SEC do, he's going to continue
Speaker 3: to hold information back if he thinks it gives him
Speaker 3: an advantage. His job is not to tell us who's
Speaker 3: playing quarterback. His job is to win football games. And
Speaker 3: it just looks like the same old utes, doesn't it,
Speaker 3: the same old coach with a team, no matter who's
Speaker 3: under center, they're going to run the ball, they're going
Speaker 3: to tackle, they're going to be prepared, work hard and
Speaker 3: win four to oh one tone conference play. Where you
Speaker 3: at with the youth right now?
Speaker 1: Nowhere near as good as if came rising were playing,
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean that's clear for anywhere to see.
Speaker 1: And you know, I mean maybe Cam thought he was
Speaker 1: going to have a chance to play, but I was
Speaker 1: told that it was the kid who was getting all
Speaker 1: the reps during the week, So I think that was
Speaker 1: pretty much what they were planning on. But they hid
Speaker 1: that pretty well because most people I talked to thought
Speaker 1: Cam was going to give it a go. He was not.
Speaker 1: They beat that team, one of the best teams that
Speaker 1: they'll face all year long on the road, playing Utah football,
Speaker 1: punching them in the mouth, that's what they did. And
Speaker 1: that defense, that defense is tough. And I know a
Speaker 1: lot of people wondered a little bit about, well, what
Speaker 1: happened at the end of the game, giving up two
Speaker 1: touchdowns and two two point conversions? What about that? By
Speaker 1: that time the game was over with and Amy Lovewood
Speaker 1: was just holding back on that offense. He saw the
Speaker 1: three turnovers in the first half and didn't want to
Speaker 1: risk that with Wilson quarterback, and so he went extremely conservative.
Speaker 1: And so the Uthes pick up two hundred and forty
Speaker 1: nine yards rushing and they play old school Utah football,
Speaker 1: And I think they answered this question. Guys. People wondered,
Speaker 1: can the Utes really come in from that Nandy pamby
Speaker 1: Pac twelve and come into the Big twelve and punch
Speaker 1: these teams in the mouth the way that they are
Speaker 1: accustomed to doing and the way they have built a
Speaker 1: reputation around. That's exactly what they did on the road
Speaker 1: in the place they had never played before, and they
Speaker 1: showed the Big twelve what Utah football is all about.
Speaker 1: And the thing is, when Cam Rising is back, that
Speaker 1: team is going to elevate in a way that is
Speaker 1: going to be pretty interesting to watch because Cam Rising's
Speaker 1: presence on that team lifts everybody, even the defense, I think,
Speaker 1: because all the players rally around that. Yeah, they're giving
Speaker 1: the kid a chance and he's coming along and he's
Speaker 1: he's a talent, he is, but he's just not ready
Speaker 1: to take the utes to the level at which they
Speaker 1: can play. And when they are at that level, watch out.
Speaker 1: I could see this team winning out.
Speaker 3: One of the three of us went to a school
Speaker 3: that is in the Big twelve and it's familiar with
Speaker 3: the landscape of the Big twelve and Craig Bowler, Jack,
Speaker 3: you know that Mike Gundhi does not lose in Stillwater.
Speaker 3: He just doesn't. That's a tough place to play and
Speaker 3: you roll in there with your backup through freshman QB,
Speaker 3: you get a win. Where are you at now at
Speaker 3: the start of the season for the Utes.
Speaker 4: I'm impressed. Gordo said it. The ground game with Micah
Speaker 4: Bernard blew me away. His strength is ridiculous, Guys, after
Speaker 4: the initial hit he's averaging about seven yards of carrier.
Speaker 4: Then Mike Mitchell gives you some strength on the goal
Speaker 4: line too. But you know the defenses where it's at
Speaker 4: thirteen points a game allowed on a four and oh start.
Speaker 4: You know, I think for me, I get so many
Speaker 4: people and guys, I think this Cam Rising thing has
Speaker 4: angered some fans. Look, I don't know when he's coming back,
Speaker 4: if it's you know, last week we talked about him
Speaker 4: playing or that's why I spent you kind of I
Speaker 4: thought pulled the string or the trigger on the Vegas line.
Speaker 4: They knew something right, we didn't. And I think that
Speaker 4: it is time to let people know who's in who's out.
Speaker 4: I mean, look what happened at UNLV with the kid
Speaker 4: Matthew Sluka, who's out now and quit the team over
Speaker 4: one hundred thousand dollars promise on an nil look, and
Speaker 4: Cam's making reportedly did you say seven figures?
Speaker 3: Those are the rumors. I mean, the problem is, like
Speaker 3: everything else, there's no one place to actually get anything
Speaker 3: that's real. We're all kind of guessing, right.
Speaker 4: Well, this was the problem with UNLV. You know, the
Speaker 4: assistant coach at Lesley promised this type of one hundred
Speaker 4: thousand dollars payoff. And I think it's just getting to
Speaker 4: the point now where fans are like again, I think
Speaker 4: it's a danger time in college football. Look, UNLV they
Speaker 4: decide to jump in the Pac twelve. Excuse me, they
Speaker 4: decided to stay in the Mountain West. But Utah State
Speaker 4: jumps with a few other teams. You know, the whole
Speaker 4: landscape is just rocky, unpredictable. And you know what, if
Speaker 4: you're gonna pay players, I'm I'm in the position now,
Speaker 4: and you guys know, I'm old school. I didn't like
Speaker 4: the fact players being paid, but I get it. But
Speaker 4: if it's now that way semi pro football in college,
Speaker 4: then if you're getting paid, then they should know if
Speaker 4: you can play or not. I mean, this is gambling,
Speaker 4: by the way, Spencer, you and I talked about it
Speaker 4: last week about how it slid four points in a
Speaker 4: matter of what for two hours, and so how does
Speaker 4: that play into the betting scheme of college football when
Speaker 4: you don't know who is on the field. I love
Speaker 4: it being paid. I think this is a danger time
Speaker 4: right now. And UNLV's quarterback maybe the tip of the
Speaker 4: iceberg on this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that story yesterday since shockwaves. I love how
Speaker 3: when paying players was illegal, Jerry Jerry Tarkanian with just
Speaker 3: paying everybody and not even apologizing. Now it's legal and
Speaker 3: he's like, no, we can't do it. You know, it's
Speaker 3: interesting that it actually comes from Vegas. Let's move over since.
Speaker 1: Suing the answer, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: And as he should. But since Craig only has a
Speaker 3: few more minutes, let's do a little BYU.
Speaker 1: Then we'll start something. I got news for you guys.
Speaker 1: It's gonna get worse.
Speaker 3: Oh sure, but let's do that next second, because let's
Speaker 3: talk a little BYU, so Craig will give you the
Speaker 3: first crack of this since you have a couple of
Speaker 3: minutes left BYU. Also a clean start. We had a
Speaker 3: rod on last week and I said, you know what
Speaker 3: gives you because they were three and oh last year.
Speaker 3: Then they get into conference and it just didn't go well.
Speaker 3: They'll spin it like, hey, we were a couple of
Speaker 3: plays away from winning three more games. Great congratulations, print
Speaker 3: the shirts. They have not won a road game in
Speaker 3: the Big twelve, their own to five. They go to
Speaker 3: Baylor as an underdog. Give me your thoughts. Do you
Speaker 3: think the start of the season from Brigham Young is
Speaker 3: actually real? Are they really this good?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 4: Okay, I know people say I'm gonna try to protect
Speaker 4: kse State because That's where I went, and look, it
Speaker 4: was an implosion by by Kansas State. But I will
Speaker 4: say this, what teams have to do when another team
Speaker 4: implosed is when the ball lands in your hands, then
Speaker 4: you must take advantage and punish them. And that's what
Speaker 4: BYU did with Kalanie Sataki and and forcing the turnovers.
Speaker 4: K State coughed it up. You throw the pick the
Speaker 4: young kid, Avery Johnson, sophomore, and all of a sudden
Speaker 4: they aren't mature enough to handle that type of of collapse.
Speaker 4: Is I'm going to say?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 4: You turn it up, turn it over three times and
Speaker 4: the ninety yard punt return was a beautiful thing. That's
Speaker 4: a top three play of the year at the moment
Speaker 4: in college football. They may rise as the year rolls on,
Speaker 4: but uh, the Kingston kid showed incredible talent, speed, nimble, patience,
Speaker 4: picked up the blocks and basically that was it. K
Speaker 4: State was done and I was just sitting there going Wow,
Speaker 4: I've never seen this team or a team lately implode
Speaker 4: like they did. But By you took advantage of every opportunity,
Speaker 4: and that's what winning football has. You have to do
Speaker 4: that to win against a ranked team, mind you, and
Speaker 4: now by You find themselves ranked twenty two in the
Speaker 4: coaches pulls. So the Baylor game may be the one
Speaker 4: the tipping point. Never easy to win on the road.
Speaker 4: Baylor has some highs and lows in their program, but
Speaker 4: they're a favorite of a field goal, or so I think,
Speaker 4: and that's usually what happens when you're at home. You
Speaker 4: get the three point advantage unless you're really bad. So
Speaker 4: this I think this game Week five, Game five may
Speaker 4: be the one who really get to see who BYU
Speaker 4: is unless Baylor just wants to hand it to him, right,
Speaker 4: But I don't think they're going to do.
Speaker 3: Gordo, you sat here two months ago and you said
Speaker 3: they're better than people think. Media picked BYU thirteenth in
Speaker 3: the Big twelve poll, Vegas set over under four and
Speaker 3: a half them as six. You said two months ago
Speaker 3: you thought BYU is better than people think. So far
Speaker 3: you've been proven right.
Speaker 1: Well only because that's what coloniy Sataki told me to
Speaker 1: my face. We talked for almost an hour and he
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe how optimistic he was because I was
Speaker 1: a skeptic, and he just went on and on and said, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: this team is better. Then people don't have us right.
Speaker 1: They don't have us right. And so far he's been
Speaker 1: right and everybody else was wrong. I think I've seen
Speaker 1: enough how to BYU this year to really believe that
Speaker 1: they are better. Now are they better than Kansas State?
Speaker 1: If those two teams played on a neutral field ten times,
Speaker 1: I would say BYU might get three, maybe two. And
Speaker 1: yet that's the way it went on that particular night
Speaker 1: with that home fueled win. That was a big win
Speaker 1: for BYU. And I understand that Kansas State is good bowler.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to run the Wildcats down. I think
Speaker 1: I think that's a good team that will bounce back.
Speaker 1: But b YU has more than we than They're one
Speaker 1: went away from tying how many wins they had last year,
Speaker 1: and I know they fell apart last year. They lost
Speaker 1: five straight down the stretch. I don't see that happening
Speaker 1: this year. They have they have Houston on the schedule.
Speaker 1: That's going to be a win, right, So what happens
Speaker 1: on the other this team could go eight and four.
Speaker 1: I don't know what they'll do, and I'm not predicting
Speaker 1: it one way or another. I'm just saying that that
Speaker 1: team is better than we thought it was and a
Speaker 1: lot of that has to do with that defense. That
Speaker 1: that that that run we were talking about against k
Speaker 1: State Bowler, I mean, the defense scored, the special team scored,
Speaker 1: and the offense score. Boom boom boom and Oliver. That's
Speaker 1: that's the kind of thing that you look for if
Speaker 1: you're a coach hoping that a team is coming together.
Speaker 1: And that's what Kolani SAIDI said, what.
Speaker 4: Happened, and Gordon, I'll tell you this. Also, they held
Speaker 4: Kansas State on two very impressive early drives and just
Speaker 4: field goals when you thought they were just marching down
Speaker 4: the field. Right, So there's early success. You'll hold them
Speaker 4: to three twice and then they take advantage of the turnovers.
Speaker 4: What I saw in BYU was better speed than I expected.
Speaker 4: And the defense can can move sideline to sideline. I
Speaker 4: was impressed. I was impressed. But Baylor's a different story
Speaker 4: on the road, as you guys said, and I wonder
Speaker 4: how they bounce back after Dion and the Buffalo's got
Speaker 4: a Hail Mary overtime when and let's see what happens
Speaker 4: if Baylor has a little anger on their side as well. Well.
Speaker 3: Craig, I appreciate the time, man. We'll set you loose
Speaker 3: and look forward to seeing you back in studio when
Speaker 3: you can.
Speaker 4: All right, yeah, I'll be there next week. And you
Speaker 4: know what, I got five minutes. I'm gonna listen when
Speaker 4: you guys get back. That's an il thing. I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: it riles me up again. It's I don't know what
Speaker 4: direction college football is going, but it's ever changing and
Speaker 4: we're not done. But the nil, when we look back
Speaker 4: on it in twenty years, is going to be the
Speaker 4: centerpiece of what this if college football imploded, or if
Speaker 4: it actually he became an NFL semi pro league, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Laura. I'm gonna tell you what's gonna happen.
Speaker 3: We're gonna do that coming up next with our guy,
Speaker 3: Gordon Craig Thanks for the time, buddy.
Speaker 4: We'll talk soon.
Speaker 1: Bye bye.
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Speaker 3: Maybe Gordon Montson Live and Studio for one more segment. Gordon,
Speaker 3: I have a concept of a plan for this segment,
Speaker 3: if you'd be so kind. Okay, So we were talking
Speaker 3: nil last segment with Craig Bowler, Jack, Gordon Montson Live
Speaker 3: and Studio. And so when the news came down yes
Speaker 3: yesterday that Vegas was losing U and LB was losing
Speaker 3: their starting quarterback Matthew Sluka after a three and zher
Speaker 3: start where they had actually elevated themselves to the Vegas
Speaker 3: favorite to be the G five rep in the expanded
Speaker 3: CFP over a verbal promise for one hundred K from
Speaker 3: an assistant coach. It caught my antenna in a way
Speaker 3: that most of these nil stare stories just don't now.
Speaker 3: I started the show off today just with a conversation
Speaker 3: about it's not good or bad, it's just different, and
Speaker 3: it's really up to you to decide if you can
Speaker 3: look past it to consume the sport that you love.
Speaker 3: Every sport has something that you have to look past
Speaker 3: if you want to enjoy it. The NBA has load management.
Speaker 3: I will yell about that until Am ninety five. The NFL,
Speaker 3: there's political statements heard people say I'm not watching football,
Speaker 3: calling Kaepernick Neil right, and so it's like, all right,
Speaker 3: if that's your thing, fine. You know, the brain injuries,
Speaker 3: the CTE stuff, I think disillusion to a lot of people.
Speaker 3: But you know, NFL ratings are at all time. People
Speaker 3: are still watching college football. So I do think it's
Speaker 3: an issue that needs to be figured out. But I
Speaker 3: also believe that if you want to watch college football
Speaker 3: and enjoy it, it's here. If you don't have to
Speaker 3: deal with it, this will.
Speaker 1: Be disappointing the Bowler because Bowler's old school. But it's
Speaker 1: going to get worse. I think it's well, it's going
Speaker 1: to get worse and it's going to get better. More
Speaker 1: and more corporate involvement is coming, and I think you'll
Speaker 1: even see teams sponsored by certain companies and certainly giving
Speaker 1: money for something in return. That's definitely on the horizon,
Speaker 1: especially at the bigger programs around the country. We all
Speaker 1: remember during the summer we saw that thing about the
Speaker 1: Big twelve being brought to you by All State maybe
Speaker 1: or some It's going to continue to get more and
Speaker 1: more tangled, but I think there will come a point.
Speaker 1: They will come to a point of salary caps. I
Speaker 1: think that is something that will happen. And the problem
Speaker 1: with that that is, you know, players have been being
Speaker 1: paid forever and it's gone on under the table and
Speaker 1: people were cheating. If you have a salary cap, will
Speaker 1: that stop people from cheating? You're still going to have
Speaker 1: payments under the table. But I think it does make
Speaker 1: sense from an institutional standpoint to limit how much dough
Speaker 1: can flow to the players. And I think that they've
Speaker 1: got to get that under control in order to make
Speaker 1: it seem at least legitimate.
Speaker 3: Can we call it how it is and just say
Speaker 3: that this is professional sports. Yes, that's what it is,
Speaker 3: and ultimately for football only. And this is where it
Speaker 3: gets complex, because there are several different layers here to
Speaker 3: figure out how to preserve Olympic sports and figure out
Speaker 3: how to preserve athletic departments overall. If football simply just
Speaker 3: leaves the NCAA and in a way kind of leaves
Speaker 3: the athletic department him ride, the ramifications are deep. So
Speaker 3: I don't say this lightly, but it is time for
Speaker 3: football to break away from the NCAA. It's time to
Speaker 3: hire commissioner. I don't know who it is. It's time
Speaker 3: for that commissioner to enact a governing body that's very
Speaker 3: similar to the NFL and hire a deputy commissioner and
Speaker 3: build out a college football headquarter office to figure all
Speaker 3: this stuff out and operate it as if it essentially
Speaker 3: is a minor league feeder system for the NFL. It's
Speaker 3: time to do it. I don't love it, because I
Speaker 3: think we all love what made us all fall in
Speaker 3: love with college football, and that was it wasn't tainted
Speaker 3: by money, but it was we just didn't see it.
Speaker 3: It wasn't tainted by money in front of our face.
Speaker 3: The problem is it was tainted by money in the
Speaker 3: back room by a bunch of old dudes that were
Speaker 3: getting rich on the backs of employees who they didn't pay.
Speaker 3: So they were a serial anti trust violator for about
Speaker 3: one hundred years. And it's about time they're not. And
Speaker 3: so we're here now, so let's be grown ups and
Speaker 3: let's not yell about kids getting paid, and let's put
Speaker 3: some regi you know, regulations in place. Because I heard
Speaker 3: from some people at the U yesterday after my show.
Speaker 3: It's pretty clear, Gordon, nobody knows what to do. Nobody
Speaker 3: knows how to traverse this space. And if you're a
Speaker 3: young athlete, go get yours. But until they allow the
Speaker 3: athletes to unionize and collectively bargain the way they do
Speaker 3: in pro football, to come up with a contract and
Speaker 3: come up with a cap. And yes, you sign contracts,
Speaker 3: guess what happens when you sign contracts, you don't transfer.
Speaker 3: It solved.
Speaker 1: I just did it.
Speaker 3: I just saw the transfer port right, So like at
Speaker 3: least we alleviate that. And yes, there are slots in place,
Speaker 3: like there is in pro football. If you're a starting
Speaker 3: caliber quarterback.
Speaker 1: This is what you're worth. Boom boom boom.
Speaker 3: I hate to say it, it's just far past the
Speaker 3: time where college football just needs to lean into the
Speaker 3: pro model.
Speaker 1: And that's coming. Yeah, that's all coming already. You see
Speaker 1: programs that are hiring CEOs to run the program, and
Speaker 1: so this is just a matter of time. One thing
Speaker 1: I've learned and you've learned it too, e Spence, that
Speaker 1: when it comes to college football and college sports in general,
Speaker 1: the thing is like it's like turning an aircraft carrier.
Speaker 1: I mean, it takes forever for things to be put
Speaker 1: into place to make it official. And this will take
Speaker 1: some time too, but it's on the way. So the
Speaker 1: bad news for all you amateurism lovers out there is
Speaker 1: that that's not what it is. That's not what it
Speaker 1: was back when you love the amateurism, and it certainly
Speaker 1: won't be what it will be moving forward. It will
Speaker 1: be pro football and it will be better organized.
Speaker 3: And honestly, I just think if you want to be
Speaker 3: an alarmist, if you want to, you know, be the
Speaker 3: mule at the end of Don Quixote sounding the message
Speaker 3: about things. You know, the bottom line is Saturday's in
Speaker 3: the fall are still going to feel like Saturday's in
Speaker 3: the fall. And as I talked about Gordon, if you
Speaker 3: want to continue to watch a sport, go to games,
Speaker 3: spend money on tickets and whatever it is, you're gonna
Speaker 3: have to look past some things. That's just the deal.
Speaker 3: And things change, things progress, and sometimes we don't like
Speaker 3: the way things progress because we're afraid of change. We
Speaker 3: want to stay status quo because we like that. The
Speaker 3: thing is, there are several elements to the pro model
Speaker 3: that I actually think will improve the sport. I don't
Speaker 3: need to see fifteen FBFFCS teams play each other for
Speaker 3: three weeks. I don't need to see Ohio State bludgeon
Speaker 3: some poor small programs so they can get a check
Speaker 3: to go down and support their school. I understand the dynamic,
Speaker 3: but from a viewer standpoint, I think college football's main
Speaker 3: problem is week in and week out, it doesn't have
Speaker 3: enough brand games. It has four or five, and then
Speaker 3: as the season progresses sometimes you get more. But then
Speaker 3: Nick Saban week eleven, you know, schedules little sisters of
Speaker 3: the poor. They're playing like a glorified by leaning into
Speaker 3: the pro model every week we'll have probably fifteen or
Speaker 3: twenty like brand matchup games, and I think that's actually.
Speaker 1: Good for the sport. Yeah, and the records that were
Speaker 1: so clean, as you mentioned, you know, those will become
Speaker 1: a sort of a dinosaur because if you're playing tough
Speaker 1: teams every week, then your record, a record of nine
Speaker 1: and three is going to be absolutely stellar. I'd rather
Speaker 1: have that than what you just described. Who wants to
Speaker 1: watch these games sixty two to nothing. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: a waste of time. It's not fun for anyone, even
Speaker 1: the players. They go out there and they're playing against
Speaker 1: an inferior team. You know, it's a joke. It's a
Speaker 1: joke to them, and they can't focus the way they should.
Speaker 1: If they did focus, it would be two hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty to nothing. And so yeah, get rid of that.
Speaker 1: And I understand that the teams that need some money,
Speaker 1: and I don't know what the answer is for that,
Speaker 1: but it would be nice to have competitive games every
Speaker 1: single week.
Speaker 3: So Week one Iowa forty, Illinois State zero, Okay k
Speaker 3: State forty one, Ut Martin six, Tennessee sixty nine, Chattanooga three,
Speaker 3: all right, Old Miss seventy six, Furman zero, Alabama sixty
Speaker 3: three Western Kentucky zero. I could keep going. I don't
Speaker 3: need those games on my TV. And if I'm a
Speaker 3: television executive, I'm a little bit more excited if my
Speaker 3: Week one game is Oregon Ohio State, right, and week
Speaker 3: in and week out, my big brands are playing each other.
Speaker 3: It's what happens in pro football, and as TV money
Speaker 3: has really taken over the thing behind the scenes, it's
Speaker 3: kind of what has to happen with college football in
Speaker 3: the area of them breaking away from the NCAA and
Speaker 3: surviving on their own. That's why it is going to
Speaker 3: be the forty or whatever biggest brands, because they know
Speaker 3: that's where the money is. I don't have to tell
Speaker 3: you about what happened with English soccer when all of
Speaker 3: the superclubs almost broke away to start their own high
Speaker 3: level league. Like when powerful people get involved, they see
Speaker 3: where the revenue streams are, they're going to do everything
Speaker 3: they can to make it happen. In college football, what
Speaker 3: that means is big brands playing each other every week.
Speaker 1: Well, as you know, Spence, I made a study of that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, I'm a professional soccer situation and I
Speaker 1: agree with you. I think we're of one mind on that.
Speaker 3: Was there one club that really pulled the plug on
Speaker 3: that whole operation that you blame more than the others?
Speaker 1: Oh, I would say probably man, you and you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, why would you buy just a bunch of just
Speaker 3: like hubreast that thing?
Speaker 1: That's just arrogance. I don't like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I like scrappy Yep.
Speaker 1: That's why. That's why I like Uh, that's why I
Speaker 1: like Liverpool.
Speaker 3: Oh, you're a Liverpool supporter now.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is one thing I've never figured
Speaker 1: out completely and I won't be picked to it because
Speaker 1: I don't want to leave people behind.
Speaker 3: It makes us feel infurious.
Speaker 1: But Liverpool and Everton, you know, how does where's the
Speaker 1: dividing line on that? I'm not I've never been able
Speaker 1: to figure that out. That's a little beyond me. But
Speaker 1: I will say that, uh, I every once in a
Speaker 1: while you'll have a big upset and that that sort
Speaker 1: of encourages these underdogs to go out there and fight
Speaker 1: the fight. But they're so rare that it's not worth
Speaker 1: putting up with all the other nonsense that happens in
Speaker 1: the meantime. And I do look forward to teams really
Speaker 1: having to bring it every single week, and you know,
Speaker 1: then you have an upset like we saw on Saturday
Speaker 1: night be while you beat in Kansas State. That was
Speaker 1: a huge j upset, and yet it happened and it
Speaker 1: was exciting. And so you can have upsets even when
Speaker 1: you have teams that are a relatively similar level, and
Speaker 1: so that doesn't get eradicated from the game.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, because you've been doing this
Speaker 3: a long time and you've seen a lot of things.
Speaker 3: And I'm now old enough where I've seen some things,
Speaker 3: but not as many things as you've seen. And my
Speaker 3: whole premise on this nil stuff is and I heard
Speaker 3: media members, I read media members sounding the alarm that
Speaker 3: this was the end of college football. I heard smart
Speaker 3: people who I respect say about two two and a
Speaker 3: half years ago, Okay, now it's real transfer portal nil.
Speaker 3: This game is screwed. I just referenced the and I
Speaker 3: excuse me, I just referenced the NFL stuff where a
Speaker 3: lot of people were disenfranchised with the CT and the
Speaker 3: brain injuries and the Kaepernick stuff. Whatever that stuff is.
Speaker 3: NBA load management, too much money guaranteed contracts, Major League Baseball,
Speaker 3: juicee we could keep going. Have you ever seen anything
Speaker 3: in your career it actually does end up having a
Speaker 3: super adverse effect on a sports league that people enjoy
Speaker 3: consuming NFL College for like, cause I feel like sometimes
Speaker 3: it's just clickbait and fodder for content where it's like
Speaker 3: the sky is falling his chicken little. I'm like, no, dude,
Speaker 3: I woke up on Saturday a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 3: just as juice to watch Utah by you play football
Speaker 3: as I did five years ago, Like Saturday's in the fault,
Speaker 3: Gordon still feel like Saturdays in the.
Speaker 1: Fall, and they will continue to do so. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have the reactions and that's okay, But the
Speaker 1: sky is not falling and it won't fall, and as
Speaker 1: long as people care about the teams they root for,
Speaker 1: it will be okay. It'll be different. You nailed it, Fence.
Speaker 1: People don't like change and they glom onto things that
Speaker 1: they sometimes are not what they think they are, and
Speaker 1: but it'll be okay. This stuff will evolve and it'll
Speaker 1: be it'll be fun to watch. The thing that comes
Speaker 1: to mind when you said that it was kur Flood
Speaker 1: when a free agency started coming into baseball and people thought,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, these guys are going to bounce all
Speaker 1: over the place, and it's going to give the players
Speaker 1: all the power and all this, and there were certain
Speaker 1: union leaders who did a really good job of empowering players.
Speaker 1: But I mean that might still frustrate some fans because
Speaker 1: they care about these players and then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden one day, when they're contract is up, when they
Speaker 1: have the freedom to do so, they're gone. And that's
Speaker 1: troubling to some people. But it wasn't the end of
Speaker 1: the sport, and it hasn't been the end of sports
Speaker 1: in general. And in some ways that fluidity has helped
Speaker 1: bring some hope to certain teams that were in a
Speaker 1: bit of a funk and they found a way to
Speaker 1: climb out of it because they could add players. This
Speaker 1: is especially true in the NFL. You see teams. I mean,
Speaker 1: who used to talk about the NBA and it was
Speaker 1: like you could pencil in the teams that were going
Speaker 1: to be in the playoffs way in advance, and you
Speaker 1: knew who was going to be in the finals, and
Speaker 1: at least you had a good idea. In football, a
Speaker 1: lot of times you really didn't have an idea, and
Speaker 1: that made it more fun and why because there was
Speaker 1: fluidity amongst suppliers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's weird, Gordon because a lot of things because
Speaker 3: you reference free agency and in my mind, I'm thinking
Speaker 3: nil and in my mind I'm thinking load management. In
Speaker 3: my mind, I'm thinking CTE. It all comes back down
Speaker 3: to one thing, and that is the power of the
Speaker 3: almighty dollars. It's follow the money. You'll always find the answers.
Speaker 3: The golden rule is the man with the gold makes
Speaker 3: the rules right. And ultimately, when it comes to where
Speaker 3: we're at right now societally, where the middle class is
Speaker 3: really being squeezed out and most of the wealth is
Speaker 3: can you know, essentially in the pockets of the top
Speaker 3: one percent of our country in a capitalistic society, when
Speaker 3: a middle class is being squeezed out, if there's a
Speaker 3: chance to join that one percent, people are gonna do
Speaker 3: whatever they want to do, even if it's at the
Speaker 3: expense of the consumers that watch their product. Nobody gives
Speaker 3: a rip. If people are mad that a quarterback's getting money,
Speaker 3: they're gonna do whatever they can do to pad their
Speaker 3: bank account and take care of themselves. Load management is
Speaker 3: about one thing and one thing only. That's getting NBA
Speaker 3: players to their second and third max contracts, because that's
Speaker 3: when generational wealth spills in. Agents realize that suddenly it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: we need to preserve the health.
Speaker 1: No, you don't like.
Speaker 3: Ultimately, there's no data that indicates load management leads to
Speaker 3: longer careers, it leads to bigger paychecks when they get
Speaker 3: to their second or their third contract. Why did the
Speaker 3: NFL cover up CTE. They didn't want lawsuits because they
Speaker 3: want to preserve their cash as well. This all is
Speaker 3: kind of tied into the same similar dynamics. Certainly societally,
Speaker 3: when the middle class is being squeezed out and the
Speaker 3: best life is over there, everybody's going to do whatever
Speaker 3: they can do to go to that life because that's
Speaker 3: what looks fun.
Speaker 1: That's so true. I mean, remember when two million dollars
Speaker 1: a year the salary, You go, oh my gosh, that's
Speaker 1: so much money. Yeah, well now it's like fifty million.
Speaker 3: The money is it's so stupid now the one group.
Speaker 1: I do feel sorry for those middle class fans who
Speaker 1: want to go to a hockey game but they can't
Speaker 1: get a good seat, and they certainly can't afford season tickets.
Speaker 1: I worry about those folks. And that's that's been a
Speaker 1: bit of a problem for a long time now, because
Speaker 1: there's always somebody out there who has the money to
Speaker 1: do it, who has the money to fill that seat,
Speaker 1: either through corporation to corporate dollars or some other way.
Speaker 1: And like you say, the teams don't care because they're
Speaker 1: racketing the money.
Speaker 3: Remember Gordon, two years ago, Jason Kidd, after a playoff win,
Speaker 3: took the podium and said, what you guys don't understand
Speaker 3: is we're millionaires chearing for each other. And I was like, dude,
Speaker 3: I know, right, Yeah, I know, Jason, but don't say
Speaker 3: that out loud.
Speaker 1: And that's dangerous because what we love. How did we
Speaker 1: get hooked them on sports? To begin with?
Speaker 3: Competition?
Speaker 1: Competition, that is, that's what we want. And that's why
Speaker 1: certain exhibitions that you see where it's not really a competition,
Speaker 1: it's just and sort of what you talked about with
Speaker 1: these lopsided scores, they're not competitive, and so they don't intrigue,
Speaker 1: they don't hook us. Competition hooks us, and we stay
Speaker 1: hooked even if the dollars are ridiculous. But I do
Speaker 1: feel for that family out there that father or that
Speaker 1: mother wants to take daughters or sons to a game
Speaker 1: and they can't afford to do it, not with a
Speaker 1: good seat right right.
Speaker 3: Oftentimes can't afford to do it period, and then oftentimes
Speaker 3: save up for months to do it, and they show
Speaker 3: up and Luca stays in Dallas and Lebron loves Los Angeles.
Speaker 3: It's like it's all connected, and the message continues to
Speaker 3: be we don't give a rip about you, yep. And
Speaker 3: how long does that last?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I say this all the time. I can yell about
Speaker 3: the NBA having a load management issue, and they can
Speaker 3: send me their profit and lost statement and be like,
Speaker 3: where's the issue?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 3: And I get it. I just think it's sad that
Speaker 3: that really is where all the energy goes in our country.
Speaker 1: It feels like it does at least, And then people
Speaker 1: what happens is people say, well, it's the fan's fault.
Speaker 1: Why don't they just walk away from it? Why do
Speaker 1: they pay attention to it? Yeah, Well here's why. Because
Speaker 1: your granddad or your grandmother rooted for a certain team,
Speaker 1: and they pass that intergenerationally down to their their kids
Speaker 1: and then their kids. You're dead or mom, passes it
Speaker 1: down to you, and you care about these things in
Speaker 1: a way that you don't care about what Brandon milk
Speaker 1: you buy.
Speaker 3: Sure, it means a lot to a lot of people,
Speaker 3: especially I've always said this. I probably said it with
Speaker 3: you back on our show back in the day. It
Speaker 3: feels like your college fandom is a little different than
Speaker 3: your allegiance to a pro team. More often than not,
Speaker 3: there are exceptions, but in college, it's it's where you
Speaker 3: met your wife, it's where you met your friends, it's
Speaker 3: where you grew up. It's where your community. Probably my
Speaker 3: community still exists as a result of going to you, right,
Speaker 3: And so watching Utah football hits a little bit different
Speaker 3: than watching the Jets because I didn't go to Jets
Speaker 3: University and I didn't, you know, meet my friends there,
Speaker 3: and you know, I didn't raise it disappointed through Oh
Speaker 3: certainly I didn't raise my son in the shadows of
Speaker 3: the stadium. I just think the college fandom hits a
Speaker 3: little bit different. But just what sucks is, and I
Speaker 3: hate to sound I don't know, man, and maybe I'm
Speaker 3: just getting older. I just feel like it sucks that
Speaker 3: the people who are in charge feast upon the love
Speaker 3: and commitment that people have for their teams with only
Speaker 3: one goal in mind, and that's creating revenue stream. That's
Speaker 3: how it feels now. Honestly, part of me is like,
Speaker 3: I wonder if the new NBA ownership thing is to
Speaker 3: be like a cool, young, hip guy with joggers and
Speaker 3: make a bunch of money and not really give a
Speaker 3: rip about whether your team wins and loses because you're
Speaker 3: part of the club.
Speaker 1: I don't know, boy, I'll tell you it's It does
Speaker 1: make you wonder if one day fans will revolt and
Speaker 1: say I can't keep doing this. But we I mean,
Speaker 1: we talked about that your's eghostment and it's still moving forward.
Speaker 1: So there is this huge appetite to have a rooting interest,
Speaker 1: to have something that you care about, to have your
Speaker 1: feudal army that you can get behind that will go
Speaker 1: to someone else's city and conquer as. The people in
Speaker 1: Kansas City. How they feel about pro football right now,
Speaker 1: they're pretty turned off.
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, it's just you know, when you think about it,
Speaker 3: it's like legalized heroin dealers. You know you love your
Speaker 3: team so much. We know that you're addicted to how
Speaker 3: much you love the team, and we know that you
Speaker 3: love your escape from life, so take a price that
Speaker 3: just went up twenty percent. We know that you need
Speaker 3: the jazz in downtown Salt Lake City, and there's a
Speaker 3: lot how south. It looks really nice. You got an
Speaker 3: extra billion, right, you know, and we'll stay right like that.
Speaker 3: That's just where I guess we're at. Maybe I just
Speaker 3: need to start accepting it. Not really Well, if you
Speaker 3: talk about like rage against the machinery, you talked.
Speaker 1: About college sports being professionalized while professional sports is professionalized,
Speaker 1: And what is it about. It's about the same thing
Speaker 1: that every other business is about. It's just that this
Speaker 1: this dopa bean that is released through through the connection
Speaker 1: to teams keeps fans coming back.
Speaker 3: All right, Gordo, before I set you loose, If Utah
Speaker 3: and BYU played ten times neutral field tomorrow, well they
Speaker 3: couldn't fit ten games in tomorrow, but right now in
Speaker 3: the season, not how they're gonna evolve before November ninth,
Speaker 3: that those two, how do you think generally speaking they'd
Speaker 3: match up?
Speaker 1: Right now? Utah wins eight or nine of those.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I'm with you. What do you want
Speaker 3: to see from BYU at Baylor? Because I still and
Speaker 3: I've got to give Kilani and a Rod and all
Speaker 3: those guys a lot of credit. I heard Kelly Pepinga
Speaker 3: give an interview where they were very forthcoming and honest
Speaker 3: about how fortunate they were last week. Now, A Rod
Speaker 3: called a couple of great kill shots here in the
Speaker 3: red zone. Get touchdowns, not field goals. They did that right,
Speaker 3: but only two forty nine of offense and Case State
Speaker 3: ran the ball. Well, So there are still in my
Speaker 3: mind like Utah's Utah. It is what Kyle's built this
Speaker 3: thing up. It's ticking, it's going down the track. There's
Speaker 3: still questions for me about BYU. What do you want
Speaker 3: to see from them against Baylor on Saturday.
Speaker 1: I think that BYU defense is exactly what Kilani he
Speaker 1: told me in August that it was better than it
Speaker 1: had been a lot better. And they have these athletes
Speaker 1: that are coming up that are Jack Kelly. I mean,
Speaker 1: this could be an NFL type player and he's coming
Speaker 1: up and they're they're they're filling holes and they're doing things,
Speaker 1: they're filling roles, and so that defense is really surprisingly good. Uh,
Speaker 1: but the offense has to get better. The offense, the
Speaker 1: offensive line has to create a push, and there's been
Speaker 1: a lot of injuries in that running back room. And
Speaker 1: Moa was injured, you know, I mean he looked promising.
Speaker 1: I don't know how severe his his ankle is, but
Speaker 1: he's got a bit of a problem. So can they
Speaker 1: continue to improve the run game and Jake Rutzlov can
Speaker 1: he continue to mature as a quarterback. That's what needs
Speaker 1: to happen. I think the defense is ahead of the offense.
Speaker 1: We'll see if the offense can catch up.
Speaker 3: All right, coming up next, we're going to be bringing
Speaker 3: Max Bredos. Will do you just a little soccer a
Speaker 3: little RSL. We'll get back to some college football, Gordo
Speaker 3: real quick. Rslc's Austin FC coming up this weekend. Who's
Speaker 3: the most dangerous player on Austin FC?
Speaker 1: I think Jose Perez.
Speaker 3: Don't. You can't do that anymore. You can't just come
Speaker 3: up with a Jose Perez name because a lot of
Speaker 3: people play soccer. Gordon, it's not allowed. I know you're
Speaker 3: not on the radio as consistently as you used to be,
Speaker 3: but you can't do that anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I haven't paid that much attention to
Speaker 1: Austin because they bore me.
Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh, they have a player named Perez. Well done, Gordon,
Speaker 3: good to see what. We'll see you next week, right,
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