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Gordon Monson 24 00:01:05.200 --> 00:01:08.799 live in studio. We missed it the last couple of weeks. 25 00:01:08.799 --> 00:01:12.200 How you doing, buddy, I'm doing well. Thanks, Yeah, it 26 00:01:12.280 --> 00:01:16.959 was phoned in. You did, Bro, I'm better. I'm better 27 00:01:17.359 --> 00:01:17.920 in person. 28 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:18.319 You are? 29 00:01:18.599 --> 00:01:21.239 I say it all the time. And our next guest, 30 00:01:21.439 --> 00:01:25.680 who has my sincere permission to always be over the 31 00:01:25.719 --> 00:01:27.680 phone and not in studio because he is such a 32 00:01:27.719 --> 00:01:30.599 true pro Craig Bowler, Jack Bowler, how are you? 33 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:35.319 He's spent some good I'd rather be setting alongside you 34 00:01:35.480 --> 00:01:39.959 and Gordo, but appreciate just the time to chat. 35 00:01:40.079 --> 00:01:40.239 Man. 36 00:01:40.439 --> 00:01:44.000 It's Gordo. How you been man, I've been all right. 37 00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:46.200 I mean, staying out of trouble for the most part 38 00:01:46.239 --> 00:01:46.959 as far as you know. 39 00:01:47.879 --> 00:01:51.079 Well, Spence and I don't believe that, but we'll try 40 00:01:51.079 --> 00:01:51.920 to take your word for it. 41 00:01:51.959 --> 00:01:52.280 Today. 42 00:01:52.359 --> 00:01:54.799 Well, it's great to have both you here and Craig. 43 00:01:54.799 --> 00:01:57.159 We're gonna take advantage of having you with us for 44 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:00.640 the first segment to do just a little bit of jazz, 45 00:02:00.760 --> 00:02:05.120 just a skosh, because ultimately people on football were going 46 00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:07.480 to give him college football Gordon's been writing about both 47 00:02:07.519 --> 00:02:10.599 BYU and Utah. Both BYU and Utah remain clean, and 48 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:14.039 your beloved case State Alma Mater had to go home 49 00:02:14.080 --> 00:02:19.319 with the yel. But our friend Howard Beck, who joins 50 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:21.479 the show for the NBA Daily Assist every year with 51 00:02:21.599 --> 00:02:24.520 the Ringer, he does this every year. He talks about 52 00:02:24.560 --> 00:02:28.159 his tiers in pro basketball and trying to understand the 53 00:02:28.199 --> 00:02:31.560 direction of the team. It's not a win lost guests, 54 00:02:31.639 --> 00:02:34.080 although Pelton did that today. It's more of like, Okay, 55 00:02:34.319 --> 00:02:36.439 here's what the Raptors are doing, here's what the Knicks 56 00:02:36.439 --> 00:02:39.560 are doing. Here's what Howard wrote about the Jazz. Okay, 57 00:02:39.759 --> 00:02:41.120 and I'll read it in Craig. I want your. 58 00:02:41.080 --> 00:02:43.199 Reaction, yes yes, quote. 59 00:02:43.439 --> 00:02:46.159 And as for the Jazz, they might be the most 60 00:02:46.159 --> 00:02:48.960 confusing of all. A team that jettison it's two all 61 00:02:49.000 --> 00:02:51.360 stars two years ago, isn't good enough to make the 62 00:02:51.400 --> 00:02:54.400 playoffs and isn't bad enough to nab a high draft pick. 63 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:56.719 They could have dealt lowry market in a dozen times 64 00:02:56.719 --> 00:02:59.400 by now, but they instead gave Hi him an extension 65 00:02:59.400 --> 00:03:03.000 that makes him ineligible until next summer. They're neither trying 66 00:03:03.000 --> 00:03:05.520 to win, nor they're trying to lose the epitome of 67 00:03:05.560 --> 00:03:07.919 a franchise with an identity crisis. 68 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:10.479 What do you make of that, Craig no I think 69 00:03:10.560 --> 00:03:12.759 you know he's spout on. I think there is an 70 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:16.319 identity crisis. From my chair, I'm not privy to all 71 00:03:16.439 --> 00:03:20.719 the inside, behind the doors conversations, but you know, we 72 00:03:20.800 --> 00:03:25.680 will talk tomorrow in a press conference with Ryan Smith 73 00:03:25.759 --> 00:03:28.960 and Danny and Justin Zannik, and maybe some of this 74 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:34.800 will be clarified. I think it's very clear that they 75 00:03:35.039 --> 00:03:38.560 kept marketing as a centerpiece of a of a young 76 00:03:38.639 --> 00:03:43.520 team that maybe Danny again has something Spence and Gordo 77 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:47.280 that he sees marketing able to lure someone else in. 78 00:03:47.439 --> 00:03:50.639 I don't know, but you have to win to do that. 79 00:03:51.080 --> 00:03:54.960 And you know what I think is here is that 80 00:03:55.360 --> 00:03:59.199 the Jazz may fly under the radar of popularity for 81 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:02.719 the first time in eons because of a hockey team 82 00:04:02.759 --> 00:04:05.080 in town that's going to steal a lot of eyes 83 00:04:05.960 --> 00:04:08.280 from the Jazz. Now do they fly under the radar? 84 00:04:08.439 --> 00:04:11.120 Maybe they like that, you know, but I find it 85 00:04:11.199 --> 00:04:14.840 still intriguing for me that you have two professional teams 86 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:19.480 in town, Vine for eyes, television, Vine for ticket sales, 87 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:23.879 Jazz and the Utah Hockey Club and sponsorship money. And 88 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:26.600 you know, when you're both winning, it makes it a 89 00:04:26.639 --> 00:04:31.560 little easier. There's so much excitement surrounded this hockey team, 90 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:36.560 and I totally understand why, but you know that doesn't 91 00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:38.680 give the Jazz a pass. I mean, the one thing 92 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:42.720 this team's always done was trying to be a playoff team, 93 00:04:43.079 --> 00:04:45.639 and right now, very few give them any chance of 94 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:51.959 winning thirty games, maybe twenty five, unless something happens of 95 00:04:52.879 --> 00:04:56.519 maybe oddity, that one of these six young players that 96 00:04:56.560 --> 00:04:59.920 have been taken in the last two years now three 97 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:03.040 this past summer and three last summer, actually one or 98 00:05:03.079 --> 00:05:05.519 two of them pop. And what I mean by that 99 00:05:05.759 --> 00:05:10.199 is that they make a huge advancement in their development 100 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:14.000 as an NBA pro. I guess we'll all wait and see, 101 00:05:14.079 --> 00:05:17.319 but no, it is unpredictable. It is a scratch of 102 00:05:17.319 --> 00:05:19.920 the head of what direction the Jazz want to go. 103 00:05:20.759 --> 00:05:22.360 And I think you know, we all talked to three 104 00:05:22.399 --> 00:05:25.680 of us, had many summer conversations about marketing, and he's right, 105 00:05:26.360 --> 00:05:29.199 you know, he was in every rumor. He was in 106 00:05:29.279 --> 00:05:34.079 every discussion, mostly with Golden State and other teams that 107 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:37.959 were interested in marketing. To really put that particular team 108 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:41.079 over the top UH market, and I think chose to 109 00:05:41.079 --> 00:05:44.639 stay here. And you know what, that's a rarity by itself, Svince, 110 00:05:45.160 --> 00:05:47.680 and I think we're gonna get the answers we need 111 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:50.879 to know here very soon. We're going to play first 112 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:53.360 preseason game a week from tomorrow night, and it's gonna 113 00:05:53.399 --> 00:05:55.240 be let's just say this, it's going to be youth 114 00:05:55.279 --> 00:05:58.040 on stage. I mean, there's no there's no question about that. 115 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:03.439 Pordo from my band, and I mean this sincerely. I 116 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:07.759 don't know that I can remember a season that's approaching 117 00:06:08.519 --> 00:06:10.920 with this little buzz and excitement about the Jazz in 118 00:06:10.959 --> 00:06:14.199 our market. That's just my kind of my feel about it. 119 00:06:14.439 --> 00:06:16.360 Where you're at right now as we enter training camp 120 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:18.839 and as Craig mentioned, the first preseason game right around 121 00:06:18.839 --> 00:06:19.199 the corner. 122 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:21.639 I agree with the spence. And last year I was 123 00:06:21.680 --> 00:06:24.199 shocked that the building was as full as it was 124 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:27.759 a game after game after game, and I wondered, how 125 00:06:27.800 --> 00:06:30.519 long can this last? I mean, Jazz fans are really 126 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:33.519 good fans, and they have that reputation around the league. 127 00:06:34.040 --> 00:06:38.120 But but maybe it's maybe it's you know, U tall 128 00:06:38.199 --> 00:06:42.879 football BYU football. Maybe it's Utah hockey club. Maybe there's 129 00:06:42.959 --> 00:06:48.240 other things going on that are distractions to the jazz 130 00:06:48.279 --> 00:06:51.040 and Bowler, you've brought that up a lot about what 131 00:06:51.160 --> 00:06:55.959 the relationship will be between hockey and basketball and whether 132 00:06:56.000 --> 00:06:59.439 there's a friendly competition there or how that goes as 133 00:06:59.439 --> 00:07:03.720 far as ticket sales is concerned, And I don't know. 134 00:07:03.800 --> 00:07:08.879 I agree expectations are extremely low. Bowler, and I just 135 00:07:08.920 --> 00:07:12.240 don't see a likelihood or any kind of high percentage 136 00:07:12.319 --> 00:07:17.199 or even a modest percentage that they're really going to 137 00:07:17.240 --> 00:07:20.120 provide a product this year that people are going to go, wow, 138 00:07:20.199 --> 00:07:20.759 look at this. 139 00:07:21.040 --> 00:07:25.360 Yeah, there'll be little, you know, tidbits here there, Keyante, 140 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:29.240 you know, growing, Cody popping, whatever it is, but nothing. 141 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:31.920 And I think Howard's point is the right point. And 142 00:07:31.959 --> 00:07:33.879 I've been on it for two years. I was never 143 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:36.439 like trade everybody and get rid of Dennis and Quinn. 144 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:39.040 I was never that guy. But okay, that's the deal, 145 00:07:39.120 --> 00:07:42.680 all right, then go all in on a rebuild. Howard's 146 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:44.800 point is the one I've been yelling about for two years. 147 00:07:44.920 --> 00:07:48.480 What is the direction? Where is your lane? And everybody's 148 00:07:48.519 --> 00:07:50.920 talking about this prior to the NBA season. Anyone who 149 00:07:50.959 --> 00:07:52.560 writes about the Jazz are just kind of like no 150 00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:56.160 clue man, no idea, some decent pieces here or there. 151 00:07:56.600 --> 00:07:58.000 You know, Craig will give you the final word. The 152 00:07:58.079 --> 00:08:00.480 let's do some college football Spence. 153 00:08:00.519 --> 00:08:03.800 I think you know what maybe led us all astray 154 00:08:04.120 --> 00:08:07.800 was one comment last year after the season with Danny 155 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:12.560 when he said he was potentially big game hunting, and 156 00:08:12.759 --> 00:08:16.000 I think that just kind of stuck thinking that the 157 00:08:16.040 --> 00:08:20.120 big move was imminent, right, wouldn't need to agree? I 158 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:22.959 mean that comment to me when I sat there, I thought, 159 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:26.480 oh wow, okay, now we kind of see youth with 160 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:30.839 another piece or two with marketing most likely, and then 161 00:08:30.839 --> 00:08:34.840 they'll let the young guys grow around a veteran. I 162 00:08:34.919 --> 00:08:38.039 can't say core, but you mix and you still don't 163 00:08:38.200 --> 00:08:41.240 achieve what you want, but you have a blending of 164 00:08:41.320 --> 00:08:45.960 talent and also a way for young players to understand 165 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:49.039 what it takes to be a pro in this league, 166 00:08:49.159 --> 00:08:52.480 the work ethic right, and how to take losses and 167 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:56.080 how to handle wins and balance all that that did 168 00:08:56.120 --> 00:09:00.720 not occur Drew you Banks, Patty Mills, you know, long 169 00:09:00.799 --> 00:09:05.879 long term veterans, and so that may or may not 170 00:09:06.000 --> 00:09:08.559 have any role in this team at all. I just 171 00:09:08.600 --> 00:09:12.320 see marketing the centerpiece and around a bunch of young 172 00:09:12.440 --> 00:09:16.200 nineteen twenty year olds. I think I'm intrigued with Walker Kessler. 173 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:17.679 Will he win games? 174 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:18.519 You know? 175 00:09:19.120 --> 00:09:22.559 Not by himself? And of course Philipowski has some talent 176 00:09:22.600 --> 00:09:26.720 out of Duke of this early second round pick, Cody Williams, 177 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:29.919 what does he do? Does Hey does keante bust open? 178 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:32.240 Is this guy really the guy that's going to run 179 00:09:32.279 --> 00:09:34.480 this team? I don't know, And I guess we'll all 180 00:09:34.759 --> 00:09:37.000 I hate to say this, we'll all find out together. 181 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:40.639 But as this conversation continues, people I run into asking 182 00:09:40.720 --> 00:09:42.919 the same thing. I said, Look, you know I don't 183 00:09:42.919 --> 00:09:46.320 have I don't have that magic, you know magic, but 184 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:49.519 you know singing ball that can predict anything. I think 185 00:09:49.559 --> 00:09:52.039 we just have to find out together on what what 186 00:09:52.120 --> 00:09:55.519 direction Danny really thinks in the evaluation of these young guys, 187 00:09:55.679 --> 00:09:58.600 if the actually are going to stick, or if there'll 188 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:02.320 be pieces that would be moved before the trade deadline 189 00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:04.879 or next season. But yeah, it's kind of interesting to 190 00:10:04.960 --> 00:10:06.919 watch the Jazz for the first time in a long 191 00:10:06.960 --> 00:10:10.639 time not be the talking point of the fall going 192 00:10:10.679 --> 00:10:13.360 into camp, and to have a hockey club and NHL 193 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:17.279 franchise really kind of stealing the headlines right now, All right. 194 00:10:17.200 --> 00:10:19.360 Let's do some college football, because Craig, I know your 195 00:10:19.360 --> 00:10:20.919 time is limited. I want to get some of your 196 00:10:20.919 --> 00:10:23.559 takes here, but Gordon will start with you on the 197 00:10:23.720 --> 00:10:26.440 Utes going to Stillwater and getting to win with their 198 00:10:26.440 --> 00:10:29.000 backup quarterback. Now, I've been talking about it all week. 199 00:10:29.480 --> 00:10:32.159 I don't love the lack of information, but I understand 200 00:10:32.159 --> 00:10:34.720 why Kyle does it. And until Kyle gets the email 201 00:10:34.759 --> 00:10:37.320 from the Big Twelve saying we report injuries now like 202 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:40.200 the NFL and the SEC do, he's going to continue 203 00:10:40.240 --> 00:10:42.559 to hold information back if he thinks it gives him 204 00:10:42.840 --> 00:10:45.559 an advantage. His job is not to tell us who's 205 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:48.279 playing quarterback. His job is to win football games. And 206 00:10:49.120 --> 00:10:51.320 it just looks like the same old utes, doesn't it, 207 00:10:51.320 --> 00:10:53.279 the same old coach with a team, no matter who's 208 00:10:53.320 --> 00:10:55.000 under center, they're going to run the ball, they're going 209 00:10:55.080 --> 00:10:57.039 to tackle, they're going to be prepared, work hard and 210 00:10:57.080 --> 00:11:00.240 win four to oh one tone conference play. Where you 211 00:11:00.279 --> 00:11:01.000 at with the youth right now? 212 00:11:01.120 --> 00:11:03.600 Nowhere near as good as if came rising were playing, 213 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:06.440 for sure. I mean that's clear for anywhere to see. 214 00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:10.200 And you know, I mean maybe Cam thought he was 215 00:11:10.279 --> 00:11:11.960 going to have a chance to play, but I was 216 00:11:12.080 --> 00:11:15.039 told that it was the kid who was getting all 217 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:18.480 the reps during the week, So I think that was 218 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:21.279 pretty much what they were planning on. But they hid 219 00:11:21.360 --> 00:11:23.639 that pretty well because most people I talked to thought 220 00:11:23.720 --> 00:11:25.799 Cam was going to give it a go. He was not. 221 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:28.559 They beat that team, one of the best teams that 222 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:33.840 they'll face all year long on the road, playing Utah football, 223 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:36.440 punching them in the mouth, that's what they did. And 224 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:38.759 that defense, that defense is tough. And I know a 225 00:11:38.799 --> 00:11:40.600 lot of people wondered a little bit about, well, what 226 00:11:40.720 --> 00:11:42.679 happened at the end of the game, giving up two 227 00:11:42.759 --> 00:11:46.080 touchdowns and two two point conversions? What about that? By 228 00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:49.240 that time the game was over with and Amy Lovewood 229 00:11:49.519 --> 00:11:52.559 was just holding back on that offense. He saw the 230 00:11:52.639 --> 00:11:55.159 three turnovers in the first half and didn't want to 231 00:11:55.279 --> 00:12:00.600 risk that with Wilson quarterback, and so he went extremely conservative. 232 00:12:00.879 --> 00:12:02.759 And so the Uthes pick up two hundred and forty 233 00:12:02.840 --> 00:12:07.399 nine yards rushing and they play old school Utah football, 234 00:12:07.919 --> 00:12:11.600 And I think they answered this question. Guys. People wondered, 235 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:14.799 can the Utes really come in from that Nandy pamby 236 00:12:14.919 --> 00:12:19.000 Pac twelve and come into the Big twelve and punch 237 00:12:19.120 --> 00:12:21.440 these teams in the mouth the way that they are 238 00:12:21.519 --> 00:12:24.159 accustomed to doing and the way they have built a 239 00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:27.679 reputation around. That's exactly what they did on the road 240 00:12:27.960 --> 00:12:30.919 in the place they had never played before, and they 241 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:34.000 showed the Big twelve what Utah football is all about. 242 00:12:34.279 --> 00:12:36.799 And the thing is, when Cam Rising is back, that 243 00:12:36.960 --> 00:12:39.759 team is going to elevate in a way that is 244 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:46.440 going to be pretty interesting to watch because Cam Rising's 245 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:50.440 presence on that team lifts everybody, even the defense, I think, 246 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:53.720 because all the players rally around that. Yeah, they're giving 247 00:12:53.759 --> 00:12:55.759 the kid a chance and he's coming along and he's 248 00:12:56.440 --> 00:12:59.080 he's a talent, he is, but he's just not ready 249 00:12:59.159 --> 00:13:01.159 to take the utes to the level at which they 250 00:13:01.279 --> 00:13:04.200 can play. And when they are at that level, watch out. 251 00:13:04.320 --> 00:13:05.879 I could see this team winning out. 252 00:13:06.080 --> 00:13:08.639 One of the three of us went to a school 253 00:13:08.720 --> 00:13:10.679 that is in the Big twelve and it's familiar with 254 00:13:10.759 --> 00:13:13.039 the landscape of the Big twelve and Craig Bowler, Jack, 255 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:15.360 you know that Mike Gundhi does not lose in Stillwater. 256 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:18.080 He just doesn't. That's a tough place to play and 257 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:20.720 you roll in there with your backup through freshman QB, 258 00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:22.200 you get a win. Where are you at now at 259 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:23.639 the start of the season for the Utes. 260 00:13:24.919 --> 00:13:30.200 I'm impressed. Gordo said it. The ground game with Micah 261 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:35.120 Bernard blew me away. His strength is ridiculous, Guys, after 262 00:13:35.279 --> 00:13:38.879 the initial hit he's averaging about seven yards of carrier. 263 00:13:38.919 --> 00:13:41.159 Then Mike Mitchell gives you some strength on the goal 264 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:43.759 line too. But you know the defenses where it's at 265 00:13:43.840 --> 00:13:47.159 thirteen points a game allowed on a four and oh start. 266 00:13:47.679 --> 00:13:50.240 You know, I think for me, I get so many 267 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:53.720 people and guys, I think this Cam Rising thing has 268 00:13:53.840 --> 00:13:57.279 angered some fans. Look, I don't know when he's coming back, 269 00:13:57.519 --> 00:14:00.559 if it's you know, last week we talked about him 270 00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:04.240 playing or that's why I spent you kind of I 271 00:14:04.360 --> 00:14:09.519 thought pulled the string or the trigger on the Vegas line. 272 00:14:09.879 --> 00:14:14.399 They knew something right, we didn't. And I think that 273 00:14:14.559 --> 00:14:17.720 it is time to let people know who's in who's out. 274 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:20.639 I mean, look what happened at UNLV with the kid 275 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:26.159 Matthew Sluka, who's out now and quit the team over 276 00:14:26.240 --> 00:14:30.000 one hundred thousand dollars promise on an nil look, and 277 00:14:30.159 --> 00:14:33.840 Cam's making reportedly did you say seven figures? 278 00:14:34.200 --> 00:14:36.279 Those are the rumors. I mean, the problem is, like 279 00:14:36.399 --> 00:14:39.159 everything else, there's no one place to actually get anything 280 00:14:39.240 --> 00:14:41.000 that's real. We're all kind of guessing, right. 281 00:14:41.679 --> 00:14:44.799 Well, this was the problem with UNLV. You know, the 282 00:14:44.879 --> 00:14:47.919 assistant coach at Lesley promised this type of one hundred 283 00:14:47.960 --> 00:14:50.879 thousand dollars payoff. And I think it's just getting to 284 00:14:50.919 --> 00:14:53.440 the point now where fans are like again, I think 285 00:14:53.480 --> 00:14:58.799 it's a danger time in college football. Look, UNLV they 286 00:14:58.879 --> 00:15:01.720 decide to jump in the Pac twelve. Excuse me, they 287 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:04.120 decided to stay in the Mountain West. But Utah State 288 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:07.480 jumps with a few other teams. You know, the whole 289 00:15:07.679 --> 00:15:13.000 landscape is just rocky, unpredictable. And you know what, if 290 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:19.000 you're gonna pay players, I'm I'm in the position now, 291 00:15:19.679 --> 00:15:21.919 and you guys know, I'm old school. I didn't like 292 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:24.799 the fact players being paid, but I get it. But 293 00:15:24.919 --> 00:15:28.440 if it's now that way semi pro football in college, 294 00:15:29.080 --> 00:15:31.120 then if you're getting paid, then they should know if 295 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:33.399 you can play or not. I mean, this is gambling, 296 00:15:33.480 --> 00:15:35.720 by the way, Spencer, you and I talked about it 297 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:39.120 last week about how it slid four points in a 298 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:42.720 matter of what for two hours, and so how does 299 00:15:42.759 --> 00:15:46.240 that play into the betting scheme of college football when 300 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:49.360 you don't know who is on the field. I love 301 00:15:49.440 --> 00:15:51.799 it being paid. I think this is a danger time 302 00:15:51.960 --> 00:15:55.120 right now. And UNLV's quarterback maybe the tip of the 303 00:15:55.159 --> 00:15:55.919 iceberg on this. 304 00:15:56.159 --> 00:15:59.159 Yeah, that that story yesterday since shockwaves. I love how 305 00:15:59.559 --> 00:16:03.759 when paying players was illegal, Jerry Jerry Tarkanian with just 306 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:07.120 paying everybody and not even apologizing. Now it's legal and 307 00:16:07.440 --> 00:16:08.960 he's like, no, we can't do it. You know, it's 308 00:16:09.120 --> 00:16:12.200 interesting that it actually comes from Vegas. Let's move over since. 309 00:16:13.919 --> 00:16:15.120 Suing the answer, Yeah, yeah. 310 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:17.679 And as he should. But since Craig only has a 311 00:16:17.720 --> 00:16:19.279 few more minutes, let's do a little BYU. 312 00:16:19.360 --> 00:16:21.120 Then we'll start something. I got news for you guys. 313 00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:21.960 It's gonna get worse. 314 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:24.039 Oh sure, but let's do that next second, because let's 315 00:16:24.039 --> 00:16:26.320 talk a little BYU, so Craig will give you the 316 00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:28.000 first crack of this since you have a couple of 317 00:16:28.039 --> 00:16:31.279 minutes left BYU. Also a clean start. We had a 318 00:16:31.440 --> 00:16:33.399 rod on last week and I said, you know what 319 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:35.519 gives you because they were three and oh last year. 320 00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:38.600 Then they get into conference and it just didn't go well. 321 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:40.519 They'll spin it like, hey, we were a couple of 322 00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:43.799 plays away from winning three more games. Great congratulations, print 323 00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:47.039 the shirts. They have not won a road game in 324 00:16:47.159 --> 00:16:48.759 the Big twelve, their own to five. They go to 325 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:51.159 Baylor as an underdog. Give me your thoughts. Do you 326 00:16:51.240 --> 00:16:53.679 think the start of the season from Brigham Young is 327 00:16:53.720 --> 00:16:55.399 actually real? Are they really this good? 328 00:16:56.279 --> 00:16:56.519 Well? 329 00:16:56.799 --> 00:16:58.919 Okay, I know people say I'm gonna try to protect 330 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:01.960 kse State because That's where I went, and look, it 331 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:05.039 was an implosion by by Kansas State. But I will 332 00:17:05.119 --> 00:17:07.920 say this, what teams have to do when another team 333 00:17:07.960 --> 00:17:10.960 implosed is when the ball lands in your hands, then 334 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:15.200 you must take advantage and punish them. And that's what 335 00:17:15.400 --> 00:17:20.440 BYU did with Kalanie Sataki and and forcing the turnovers. 336 00:17:20.599 --> 00:17:23.079 K State coughed it up. You throw the pick the 337 00:17:23.160 --> 00:17:26.960 young kid, Avery Johnson, sophomore, and all of a sudden 338 00:17:27.279 --> 00:17:33.160 they aren't mature enough to handle that type of of collapse. 339 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:34.240 Is I'm going to say? 340 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:34.640 So? 341 00:17:34.759 --> 00:17:37.119 You turn it up, turn it over three times and 342 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:41.000 the ninety yard punt return was a beautiful thing. That's 343 00:17:41.039 --> 00:17:43.559 a top three play of the year at the moment 344 00:17:43.599 --> 00:17:46.359 in college football. They may rise as the year rolls on, 345 00:17:46.920 --> 00:17:54.519 but uh, the Kingston kid showed incredible talent, speed, nimble, patience, 346 00:17:54.640 --> 00:17:58.279 picked up the blocks and basically that was it. K 347 00:17:58.480 --> 00:18:01.799 State was done and I was just sitting there going Wow, 348 00:18:02.519 --> 00:18:06.240 I've never seen this team or a team lately implode 349 00:18:06.440 --> 00:18:10.599 like they did. But By you took advantage of every opportunity, 350 00:18:10.640 --> 00:18:12.880 and that's what winning football has. You have to do 351 00:18:13.000 --> 00:18:15.400 that to win against a ranked team, mind you, and 352 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:18.240 now by You find themselves ranked twenty two in the 353 00:18:18.279 --> 00:18:22.319 coaches pulls. So the Baylor game may be the one 354 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:25.440 the tipping point. Never easy to win on the road. 355 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:29.839 Baylor has some highs and lows in their program, but 356 00:18:29.920 --> 00:18:32.960 they're a favorite of a field goal, or so I think, 357 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:35.400 and that's usually what happens when you're at home. You 358 00:18:35.519 --> 00:18:38.440 get the three point advantage unless you're really bad. So 359 00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:43.720 this I think this game Week five, Game five may 360 00:18:43.920 --> 00:18:46.240 be the one who really get to see who BYU 361 00:18:46.480 --> 00:18:48.839 is unless Baylor just wants to hand it to him, right, 362 00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:49.920 But I don't think they're going to do. 363 00:18:50.079 --> 00:18:52.960 Gordo, you sat here two months ago and you said 364 00:18:52.960 --> 00:18:56.640 they're better than people think. Media picked BYU thirteenth in 365 00:18:56.720 --> 00:18:59.200 the Big twelve poll, Vegas set over under four and 366 00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:02.039 a half them as six. You said two months ago 367 00:19:02.119 --> 00:19:04.000 you thought BYU is better than people think. So far 368 00:19:04.039 --> 00:19:04.759 you've been proven right. 369 00:19:04.880 --> 00:19:07.599 Well only because that's what coloniy Sataki told me to 370 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:11.000 my face. We talked for almost an hour and he 371 00:19:11.160 --> 00:19:13.680 I couldn't believe how optimistic he was because I was 372 00:19:13.880 --> 00:19:17.119 a skeptic, and he just went on and on and said, no, no, no, 373 00:19:18.440 --> 00:19:21.119 this team is better. Then people don't have us right. 374 00:19:21.279 --> 00:19:24.519 They don't have us right. And so far he's been 375 00:19:24.680 --> 00:19:28.440 right and everybody else was wrong. I think I've seen 376 00:19:28.599 --> 00:19:31.400 enough how to BYU this year to really believe that 377 00:19:31.559 --> 00:19:34.160 they are better. Now are they better than Kansas State? 378 00:19:34.480 --> 00:19:37.319 If those two teams played on a neutral field ten times, 379 00:19:37.359 --> 00:19:42.720 I would say BYU might get three, maybe two. And 380 00:19:42.920 --> 00:19:45.240 yet that's the way it went on that particular night 381 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:50.000 with that home fueled win. That was a big win 382 00:19:50.160 --> 00:19:53.759 for BYU. And I understand that Kansas State is good bowler. 383 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:56.160 I'm not going to run the Wildcats down. I think 384 00:19:56.599 --> 00:19:58.720 I think that's a good team that will bounce back. 385 00:19:59.279 --> 00:20:02.799 But b YU has more than we than They're one 386 00:20:02.880 --> 00:20:05.440 went away from tying how many wins they had last year, 387 00:20:05.759 --> 00:20:07.880 and I know they fell apart last year. They lost 388 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:10.839 five straight down the stretch. I don't see that happening 389 00:20:10.920 --> 00:20:13.319 this year. They have they have Houston on the schedule. 390 00:20:13.559 --> 00:20:15.880 That's going to be a win, right, So what happens 391 00:20:15.920 --> 00:20:18.000 on the other this team could go eight and four. 392 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:20.559 I don't know what they'll do, and I'm not predicting 393 00:20:20.640 --> 00:20:22.680 it one way or another. I'm just saying that that 394 00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:24.880 team is better than we thought it was and a 395 00:20:24.960 --> 00:20:27.279 lot of that has to do with that defense. That 396 00:20:27.519 --> 00:20:30.200 that that that run we were talking about against k 397 00:20:30.400 --> 00:20:35.759 State Bowler, I mean, the defense scored, the special team scored, 398 00:20:35.839 --> 00:20:39.920 and the offense score. Boom boom boom and Oliver. That's 399 00:20:40.279 --> 00:20:42.119 that's the kind of thing that you look for if 400 00:20:42.160 --> 00:20:45.039 you're a coach hoping that a team is coming together. 401 00:20:45.119 --> 00:20:47.079