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<v Speaker 1>Ready, Get Ready, April nine, twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>Allegedly, according to that thing we call a counter, this

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<v Speaker 2>is the o'celly effect.

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<v Speaker 3>You are listening to us there, and I'll tell you this.

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<v Speaker 2>I am watching what I'm saying a little more carefully

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<v Speaker 2>at the beginning of the show because now we have

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<v Speaker 2>transcripts available that are automatically generated. If you go to

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<v Speaker 2>the spreaker feed, God help you all, you have to

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<v Speaker 2>read what I say if you decide to open that tab.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, there it is. It is Wednesday, or the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of the week, and I'm starting a little late

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<v Speaker 2>if you're on the live stream, but that's okay because

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<v Speaker 2>most of you listen to the podcast anyway. Larry Handcock

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<v Speaker 2>is with me. Larry Dash Handcock dot com does it.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody even says the Dash, But what are you gonna do?

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<v Speaker 2>Larry Hyphenhancock dot com. That's the website he's got, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>You can catch up on his blog. You can see

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<v Speaker 2>all the books he's written, which, by the way, I

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<v Speaker 2>recommend every single one of them, but relevance for tonight

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<v Speaker 2>would be well a handful of them, really, But the

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<v Speaker 2>latest one, the Oswald Puzzle, that's co authored with David Boylan,

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<v Speaker 2>and I always pronounce his name differently every time I

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<v Speaker 2>say it. That's all right, I guess, as long as

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<v Speaker 2>I remember how to spell it, and there'll be links

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<v Speaker 2>in the show notes the Oswald Puzzle, but of course

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<v Speaker 2>Tipping Point as well as someone would have talked, why

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<v Speaker 2>do I bring up those books? Well, because we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk a little JFK tonight and get an update

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<v Speaker 2>on a few things, maybe get an update on a

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<v Speaker 2>few things that we don't have updates on Tomorrow. We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to discuss the whiplash in the markets and what

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<v Speaker 2>that really means, maybe unless the entire world shakes in

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<v Speaker 2>a different direction by tomorrow. But then again, Thor's Day

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<v Speaker 2>is not upon us just yet. Anyhow, Larry Hancock is

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<v Speaker 2>with me and not talking about the markets. Larry, although

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<v Speaker 2>that's part of why I went to air late, because

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<v Speaker 2>you and I were chatting about current events before airtime

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<v Speaker 2>and we went ten minutes late to air.

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<v Speaker 3>But again, most people are going to hear the podcast,

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<v Speaker 3>so whatever, So Larry, how are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm doing good.

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<v Speaker 5>It's spring here, it's warming up, starting to work outside.

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<v Speaker 5>Really enjoy this time of year, so doing good and

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<v Speaker 5>trying not to obsess over the stock market.

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<v Speaker 2>I look all I can say, and I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>anything about Larry's finances or anything like that. But I

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<v Speaker 2>really really hope that you're not being hurt by it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all I can say. Anyway, News Nation, I saw

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<v Speaker 2>something on TV somebody mentioned your book there. Then I

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<v Speaker 2>saw on a couple other little interviews people whose names

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even know. We're mentioning your book. Apparently people

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<v Speaker 2>are reading it. I see they're not really reviewing it

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<v Speaker 2>as well as they should. On Amazon.

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<v Speaker 3>I added a review to a book site. Man, what

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<v Speaker 3>was it two weeks ago? A week ago? I forget?

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<v Speaker 2>But either way, you know, but there's a lot to

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<v Speaker 2>discuss in the news here, or maybe there isn't, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>where should we begin the underhill thing?

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<v Speaker 4>Now?

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<v Speaker 2>I have a piece that's going to be published on

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<v Speaker 2>the front page at Ocelli dot com. I delayed a week,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, because other people did not get their

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<v Speaker 2>edits back to me. And I have a flow that

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<v Speaker 2>I want to maintain, and there is an article coming

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<v Speaker 2>up regarding what we're talking about tonight, so this will

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<v Speaker 2>be good.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll attach this to that article. But anyway, let's.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk about these the document dump of twenty twenty five, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Jeff Morley's out there telling us a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of things. He's made a lot of appearances in a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of places. Geez, he talked to everybody. It looks

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<v Speaker 2>like he seemed like he could, uh many many podcasters

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<v Speaker 2>of all stripes, TV shows, everywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>What's new? What's happening? We had the hearings. I haven't

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<v Speaker 3>spoken to you since those hearings?

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<v Speaker 5>How I no, No, you haven't and and and yeah, Jeff,

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<v Speaker 5>is I see more than one email a day from

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<v Speaker 5>from Jeff. There's small group of us and it shows

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<v Speaker 5>up and it's like, Okay, here's this new line or

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<v Speaker 5>this new piece or this new paragraph and this document.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, does it mean what we think it means

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<v Speaker 5>that sort of thing. So it exchanges with Jeff are

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<v Speaker 5>very lively, even like, you know, is this really new?

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<v Speaker 5>It seems to be new, or did they It's it's

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<v Speaker 5>a it's an ongoing dialogue. And I think part of

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<v Speaker 5>the reason why, of course, the document release feels kind

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<v Speaker 5>of like the rest of the world at the moment, chaotic,

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<v Speaker 5>because what we do know is that the White House

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<v Speaker 5>said that it was going to receive plans for releasing

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<v Speaker 5>these documents JFK, MLK, RFK, and they've had those plans

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<v Speaker 5>now for a couple of months. Even for the MLK

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<v Speaker 5>RFK stuff, we have not seen anything from the White

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<v Speaker 5>House on that. And it's kind of irksome because this

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<v Speaker 5>whole thing of release has to do with transparency. Well,

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<v Speaker 5>if you can't even see the plan, how do you

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<v Speaker 5>know if that's not transparency, So we really don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>We've got eighty thousand pages that is that it? You know,

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<v Speaker 5>was that all it was supposed to be. Have we

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<v Speaker 5>seen all of the JFK stuff. It does not appear

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<v Speaker 5>that we've seen the twenty three hundred pages documents that

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<v Speaker 5>the FBI just found and submitted irrespective of this, So

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<v Speaker 5>one of the things that's keeping it chaotic is if

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<v Speaker 5>there is a plan, it's not being shown to us,

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<v Speaker 5>so we can't measure it.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's just be clear about this real fast, right.

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<v Speaker 2>The MLK and RFK Assassination Transparency, which was also part

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<v Speaker 2>of that executive order, released all the stuff that the

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<v Speaker 2>federal government has, et cetera, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 3>We've seen zero.

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<v Speaker 2>There not even a plan regarding what will happen with

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<v Speaker 2>those two cases. However, a lot of people say, look,

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<v Speaker 2>they released all the documents on JFK, it's over.

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<v Speaker 3>That's done.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, that only catches us up to where

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<v Speaker 2>we should have been in twenty seventeen in my mind,

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<v Speaker 2>And secondly, it does not reveal anything new. That announcement

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<v Speaker 2>the FBI had brand new documents. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>cash Pttel is doing about that. I had heard at

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<v Speaker 2>one point that he couldn't get hold of the documents

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<v Speaker 2>that were supposedly found himself, and he's supposed to be

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<v Speaker 2>the head. Yeah, all right, well there's the unseen FBI stuff, right,

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<v Speaker 2>but also no plan to go further. It looks like

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<v Speaker 2>Representative Luna, though, is enthusiastic despite the fact that the

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<v Speaker 2>task force I hold up in air quotes here is

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<v Speaker 2>not very well educated on the topic the releases. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>how this is supposed to work? And clearly they don't

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<v Speaker 2>have a plan because they don't even know what they're

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<v Speaker 2>looking at. I mean, I'm sorry, but Representative Bobert, I

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<v Speaker 2>watched Live as she mixed up you know Roger Stone

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<v Speaker 2>with Oliverstone and you know Larry. I mean, can you

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<v Speaker 2>not say that. It was a clear demonstration of the

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<v Speaker 2>people in Congress have no idea what they're looking for,

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<v Speaker 2>what they're not looking for, what they can and cannot do.

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<v Speaker 3>Good news. I guess with the NBC, maybe there'll be

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<v Speaker 3>a subpoena for the film, et cetera. Blah blah.

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<v Speaker 2>But what do we have at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 2>and what does it look like going forward? Despite the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that Representative Luna is willing to show up on

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<v Speaker 2>Morley's podcast and again she seems enthusiastic and sincere about

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<v Speaker 2>the project, but what else do we have so far?

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<v Speaker 3>In your mind?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, what we have again? And it illustrates the chaos

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<v Speaker 5>once more. You know, the White House presented this as

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<v Speaker 5>a great advance for transparency and government. Okay, releasing documents

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<v Speaker 5>is a good thing. No one can argue about that.

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<v Speaker 5>Releasing them without a plan, so you know what you've

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<v Speaker 5>gotten what you don't is not so good. But the

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<v Speaker 5>White House seems to We've heard remarks that you know,

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<v Speaker 5>something more is going to happen, but we don't know

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<v Speaker 5>what that would be. It's kind of like the rest

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<v Speaker 5>of the world at the moment. We just don't know

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<v Speaker 5>what's going to happen next Luna is a different story.

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<v Speaker 5>At least we know.

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<v Speaker 4>What her charter is.

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<v Speaker 5>She will say what she intends to do, what she

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<v Speaker 5>intends to cover. You know, you can relate it to

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<v Speaker 5>her goals at least, so you know where she is.

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<v Speaker 5>And we do know, and I think this is fairly

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<v Speaker 5>obvious at this point, is that she's in the midst

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<v Speaker 5>of regardless of her sincerity, which is there, there's no

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<v Speaker 5>doubt about that, she's in the midst of a highly

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<v Speaker 5>charged political thing. And it's not all her call. She's

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<v Speaker 5>reporting to someone up her party chain of command who

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<v Speaker 5>is going to be pulling her strings. Does he let

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<v Speaker 5>her continue with JFK and do more work or does

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<v Speaker 5>he say no, the White House said, we've got.

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<v Speaker 4>To move on. We're done.

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<v Speaker 5>You need to don't hold another JFK hearing, hold an

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<v Speaker 5>MLK hearing, holding our You know what, that makes it

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<v Speaker 5>very hard to get the big picture because they're really

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<v Speaker 5>pulling the strings on her, not as to what she does,

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<v Speaker 5>but what her focus is now. What she is doing,

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<v Speaker 5>as she said Chuck, is I think she is using

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<v Speaker 5>her her leverage at the moment to reach out and

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<v Speaker 5>try to collect some materi as that we brought to

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<v Speaker 5>her attention right well, that are not in the JFK collection.

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<v Speaker 5>As we've talked before. That's really the key, because it's

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<v Speaker 5>not like we didn't know what was in the JFK

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<v Speaker 5>collection largely ninety nine percent. What we need is this

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<v Speaker 5>other stuff to put together to rest issues that have

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<v Speaker 5>surfaced in the last several decades. So I think a

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<v Speaker 5>summary of the whole situation is, if there is any

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<v Speaker 5>progress being made at all, it's being made in regard

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<v Speaker 5>of empowering Luna to at least make some request, write

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<v Speaker 5>some letters, requests some materials. People want to really cooperate

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<v Speaker 5>with the administration now for whatever reason, and they may

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<v Speaker 5>force out some of this stuff, but to really go

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<v Speaker 5>any further than that, I keep seeing posts on forms. Oh,

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<v Speaker 5>she should pursue this lead, She should pursue that lead.

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<v Speaker 5>She does not running an investigation. She is head of

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<v Speaker 5>a chair that is looking to collect information, release things.

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<v Speaker 5>That's that's your charter, okay, So but let me think

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<v Speaker 5>more out of her than that.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And this is almost the same problem we had

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<v Speaker 2>with the ARRB, which was there was a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>enthusiasm from the community et cetera, to go after this,

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<v Speaker 2>go after that, find out about this, find out about that.

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<v Speaker 2>And the truth is that wasn't the arrb's mandate. That

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't their design. That's not Luna's design to go investigate

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<v Speaker 2>right now. Her whole thing really is just the collection

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<v Speaker 2>and it is subject to what the higher ups want here.

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<v Speaker 2>So we got to be careful that people aren't completely

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<v Speaker 2>satisfied at this point. This is the thing I want

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<v Speaker 2>to warn against and I want to see if you

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<v Speaker 2>agree with me. I don't want people saying, well, that's it,

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<v Speaker 2>we got everything we asked for.

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<v Speaker 3>It's done.

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<v Speaker 2>Because if there's no pressure, if there's no desire to

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<v Speaker 2>go forward, she's going to lose that leverage. And she's

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<v Speaker 2>to be told, look, we got other priorities here. You

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<v Speaker 2>could be the MLK stuff, It could be further transparency,

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<v Speaker 2>it could be the RFK stuff. But then again, it

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<v Speaker 2>could be something else, and it could be another priority

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<v Speaker 2>unless we stick to it and keep up the idea

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<v Speaker 2>that look, more stuff needs to be collected, more stuff

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be shown. If we don't do that, then

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<v Speaker 2>was a bit of a sloppiness here, which I think

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<v Speaker 2>is inexcusable considering the amount of time that they actually

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it should have.

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<v Speaker 2>Been in their hands for preparation for release long time.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no excuse about you know, the release of the

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<v Speaker 3>Numbers and all that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>You heard about that as well, And I mean they

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<v Speaker 2>people's personal information got released here too. And I get

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<v Speaker 2>did about Mary Ferrell and going to add reactions to

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<v Speaker 2>make sure that there's no further damage done when they

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<v Speaker 3>And all that.

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<v Speaker 2>But in all honesty, do you think we're also in

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<v Speaker 2>danger of losing some of the steam and Luna losing

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<v Speaker 2>some of her leverage. Therefore they will move on from

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<v Speaker 2>the JFK case and that'll be the end of it.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I absolutely do, And I think people the pressure

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<v Speaker 5>to be on the White House, and it has to

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<v Speaker 5>be on her party because yeah, quite frankly, this is

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<v Speaker 5>this whole transparency point is a political issue. She's carrying

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<v Speaker 5>out her part of the art. But that wasn't her

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<v Speaker 5>is she? I mean she's she's fulfilling that issue. So

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<v Speaker 5>you you can't really give her anymore. You can't pressure her.

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<v Speaker 5>She's doing what she can do with her resources in

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<v Speaker 4>Uh. It has to go back up the food chain.

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<v Speaker 4>And this this.

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<v Speaker 5>Issue of transparency, which is a bible, should be a

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<v Speaker 5>bipartisan issue. Although I'm not sure we saw that in

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah that was the problem.

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<v Speaker 5>There, didn't hear that was there. This whole issue of

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<v Speaker 5>transparency has to can't be just JFK. It has to

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<v Speaker 5>be government transparency. Uh, because that's the political issue. I've

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<v Speaker 5>been on enough shows lately to understand that that's really

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<v Speaker 5>the political issue. It's not just JFK. But that's where

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<v Speaker 5>the leverage has to go. Otherwise, Chuck, what I'm afraid

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<v Speaker 5>of is that the here's what we saw with Luna's

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<v Speaker 5>other committee. She had a community on on UFO's UFAPS,

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<v Speaker 5>and there was a big push for transparency, again on

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<v Speaker 5>a political basis, got to have transparency about UAPs. What

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<v Speaker 5>happened and net result of that was that a government committee,

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<v Speaker 5>a government office was created. The ARO won't go into that,

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<v Speaker 5>but the bottom line is that the government did start

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<v Speaker 5>collecting reports, investigating reports, and containing those reports, not sharing them.

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<v Speaker 5>So you emphasized a really important subject and you ended

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<v Speaker 5>up with, oh, great, there's action being taken, but it's

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<v Speaker 5>not going to be transparent because of national security issues.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think we'll see that with JFK unless somebody

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<v Speaker 5>created a new investigations committee, then you might see it.

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<v Speaker 5>But the history of this in terms of total transparency,

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<v Speaker 5>good for Luna, not necessarily good for the system.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And the thing is, look, bottom line, in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>unless frankly, Donald Trump gets a bug in his ear

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<v Speaker 2>about there's more to be done here, there may not

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<v Speaker 2>be any more commanded from up top because he is

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<v Speaker 2>of the mind that, look, I got a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>other things to do here. It looks like to me,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean just being objective, not even taking this in

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<v Speaker 2>the political direction like my opinions or anything else. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>just look at situational behavior. Okay, If he thinks he

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<v Speaker 2>already accomplished what he needed to here, that's that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the dusting off of the hands. Let's move on, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's what he'll do now. If he thinks that there's

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<v Speaker 2>a public outcry still, if he thinks that people are

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<v Speaker 2>still of the mind that he didn't do all what

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<v Speaker 2>needed to be done, then perhaps pressure could be applied

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<v Speaker 2>in that direction and LUNOI get different marching orders, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>very simple. All I'm saying is we got to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that JFK is not like just sort of okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that's satisfied alone, and we do want to move on

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<v Speaker 2>to the other things, yes, but we don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>let go of the JFK thing again and have us

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<v Speaker 2>accomplish nothing new. And like I said, I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>it we almost just played catch up to twenty seventeen

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<v Speaker 2>where we should have been and that's it so far.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you think about that? Am I wrong?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>The only difference is her subcommittee in terms of the

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<v Speaker 5>record release, I would say that's absolutely true.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 5>The only difference here is that it was an important

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<v Speaker 5>enough political issue so that it actually got kicked into

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<v Speaker 5>Congress to you know, like we're going to deliver on

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<v Speaker 5>our promise before nobody even really talked about delivering a promise.

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<v Speaker 5>So at least this has gone that far. So we're

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<v Speaker 5>ahead if where we were overall and possibilities. But as

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<v Speaker 5>far as the release is, again, I was looking at

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<v Speaker 5>some stuff this afternoon and it's like, well has this

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<v Speaker 5>been Is this really redacted? And my buddy Bill Simpitch

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<v Speaker 5>comes back and says, it's been released twelve times and yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>it's finally redacted, but it was you know what are

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<v Speaker 5>we seeing three more sentences?

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<v Speaker 4>That's it?

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<v Speaker 2>Well finally yeah, finally unredacted stuff. Yeah, finally unredacted. You

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<v Speaker 2>mean to say, but I get where you're at underredacted.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that would be right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's because if it's redacted, that's when they cover

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<v Speaker 2>it up, but if it's unredacted, that means they removed

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<v Speaker 2>the cover ups. You got to keep track of these terms, folks,

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<v Speaker 2>just saying not you, Larry. I know you're you're practically

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<v Speaker 2>yawning over this because you've been through this a thousand times,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm just saying it's one of those things we

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<v Speaker 2>need to keep track of. So my live chat reminds

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<v Speaker 2>me that there have been conversations where people are asking

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<v Speaker 2>me questions privately and you know, what do I think

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<v Speaker 2>about this and that? And oh, this isn't that big

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<v Speaker 2>a deal, And I've seen this before, and I'm watching

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<v Speaker 2>you know, lots of people that are a different leg

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<v Speaker 2>levels of research, uh, you know, interpreting this stuff. And

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<v Speaker 2>I've even watched a few YouTube channels go in depth

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<v Speaker 2>on these documents and you know, make statements like nothing

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<v Speaker 2>big came out of this, this is this is garbage anyway. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>their interpretations, I mean, look, they're there, their opinions are

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<v Speaker 2>a noted and be there, entitled to them. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>without a large background, some of these people have no

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, my live chat reminds me, though that a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people have asked this question and have positive

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<v Speaker 2>this and I wonder what your thoughts are on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh that without a say, Senate subcommittee to go further

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<v Speaker 2>investigation wise, Uh, we're only in the collection the recovery

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<v Speaker 2>stage here of stuff from the past. That's all we're onto.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not going to get any further investigation unless one

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<v Speaker 2>is launched, and it seems like, you know, a Senate

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<v Speaker 2>subcommittee would be something that could happen, but is it likely,

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<v Speaker 2>especially in the political climate we have right now.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think it's.

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<v Speaker 2>It's on the one hand, something that's possible, but on

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<v Speaker 2>the other hand, are they going to have time for

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<v Speaker 2>it and is it going to a surface with enough

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<v Speaker 2>public pressure because people are going to be worried about

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of other things ahead of let's get another

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<v Speaker 2>investigation going and finally close up some of these loops

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<v Speaker 2>regarding JFK. So what are your thoughts on the possibility

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<v Speaker 2>of a Senate subcommittee or even say a HSCA if

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<v Speaker 2>you will, for twenty twenty five, twenty twenty six, something

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<v Speaker 2>like that. I mean, what do you think about that possibility?

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<v Speaker 2>Have you heard anything, et cetera, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's absolutely a good call, and a good

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<v Speaker 5>insight is that is that we're not going to you know,

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<v Speaker 5>we're not going to have an investigation. This is not

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<v Speaker 5>an investigation. Our real question is can you even have

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<v Speaker 5>a criminal investigation sixty years plus? In all honesty, is

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<v Speaker 5>that really even viable? Is that not wishful thinking? But

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<v Speaker 5>if you're talking about an actual legal criminal investigation with

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<v Speaker 5>subpoena power, with you know, basically the ability to collect anything.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, we're talking, we're talking beyond Luna. It's like

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<v Speaker 5>imminent domain. Yes, I want that piece of evidence. I'm

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<v Speaker 5>taking it. Without that kind of criminal investigation, no, I

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<v Speaker 5>can't really see us proceeding any further. And the real

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<v Speaker 5>question that comes up there is how do you fund it?

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, at this point in time, coming up with

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<v Speaker 5>that's new, aside from space or military national defense order,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, clearly money is going to be channeled that direction.

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<v Speaker 5>But to do a good criminal investigation, you're talking about

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<v Speaker 5>a reasonably good sized budget, and I don't think it

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<v Speaker 5>would be funded. I'm not even sure it's a matter

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<v Speaker 5>of will or politics. I'm thinking it's a big question

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<v Speaker 5>of money, right, you know, where would you get a

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<v Speaker 5>budget for it at this point in time, and it's

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<v Speaker 5>something that would have to continue for two years, three years. Again,

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<v Speaker 5>you're going to have to fund it, not just for

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<v Speaker 5>one year.

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<v Speaker 4>But.

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<v Speaker 5>Because it would have to be the criminal investigation that

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<v Speaker 5>wasn't done before we all know what wasn't done, But

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<v Speaker 5>so that that would be my call Chuck, is A

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<v Speaker 5>you'd have to have that, but B you'd have to

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<v Speaker 5>fund it. And with the fight that there's going to

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<v Speaker 5>be over money in the government, it's hard for me

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<v Speaker 5>to see that happening.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>See, that's why when I when I use a sweeping

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<v Speaker 2>word like priorities, that encompasses the idea that yes, you'd

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<v Speaker 2>have to fund it, and it's not going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a funding priority. We're in a time when people are

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<v Speaker 2>very happy with the idea that we're cutting the government down,

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<v Speaker 2>So this would be an expansion of government action at

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<v Speaker 2>a time when that's not really you know, in the zeitgeist. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just not there. So it's counterintuitive at the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>But would it be something that people would desire if

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<v Speaker 2>it was sort of put, you know, to a vote, maybe,

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<v Speaker 2>but would they fund it? Would we be able to

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<v Speaker 2>get action on that? Is there not one hundred other

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<v Speaker 2>things that are going to be ahead of it?

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<v Speaker 3>In line? There's your problem.

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<v Speaker 2>And like you said, you also have to have the

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<v Speaker 2>foresight to know this has to go on for a

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<v Speaker 2>few years. You know the HSCA for instance, Yeah, they

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<v Speaker 2>issued their report in seventy nine, but they were working

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<v Speaker 2>on that since what the bi centennial at least, so

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<v Speaker 2>it was like a three year process, wasn't it seventy

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<v Speaker 2>six when they got to work.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, you got to get if you're going to

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<v Speaker 5>do this right, given what we know now, there's certainly

427
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<v Speaker 5>a group of people that will disagree with this, but

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<v Speaker 5>given what we know about the primary forensics evidence, including fingerprints,

429
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<v Speaker 5>and all of that should be restudied with today's techniques,

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<v Speaker 5>with professionals, with people that are truly independent, which we

431
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<v Speaker 5>know wasn't the case the first time around. So you're

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<v Speaker 5>not just talking about pursuing leads to people. You're talking

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<v Speaker 5>about a new legitimate criminal investigation, which I think you

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<v Speaker 5>and I would agree never happen in the first place.

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<v Speaker 5>For those who think it did, sorry, too bad, okay,

436
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<v Speaker 5>But if you want to get real, you're going to

437
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<v Speaker 5>have to do all that work again.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, It's just that simple. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So now that we've covered all that underhill, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to return to that because I just want to get

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of comments from about it, because I've gone

442
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<v Speaker 2>over this a little bit and I don't know, you know,

443
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<v Speaker 2>on the one hand, it is significant, but then again,

444
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<v Speaker 2>when I study exactly where some of that information comes from,

445
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<v Speaker 2>is it? You know, it's kind of an open question

446
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<v Speaker 2>to me where it's like, you know, again, we're dealing

447
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<v Speaker 2>with half a lead here in my mind, because this

448
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<v Speaker 2>is what keeps happening. We have these fragments of something

449
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<v Speaker 2>that could have been investigated more thoroughly. And I'm speaking

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<v Speaker 2>very generally here to leave it open for you, because

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to get your take on it. Now

452
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<v Speaker 2>that we've had a little time for this to sort

453
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<v Speaker 2>of settle in, we've seen the rest of this stuff posted,

454
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<v Speaker 2>it appears as though they're done. Yes, indeed, they did

455
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<v Speaker 2>finally at least come up with the eighty thousand pages

456
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<v Speaker 2>around approximately that Trump said we're going to drop that

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<v Speaker 2>one day, right when he was at the Kennedy Center

458
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<v Speaker 2>and made the announcement, he said, eighty thousand pages, it's coming.

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<v Speaker 3>It did happen. Got to give them that. But here

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<v Speaker 3>we are.

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<v Speaker 2>What is the significance of the Underhill stuff, and you know,

462
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<v Speaker 2>and how complete or incomplete is that information, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 3>What are your thoughts on that?

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<v Speaker 5>I actually I think the Underhill thing is a perfect

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<v Speaker 5>example of what we have gained and why it's much

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<v Speaker 5>more important. Probably than most people will realize. I first

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<v Speaker 5>wrote about it, and I think I was probably one

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<v Speaker 5>of the first people to write about Underhill back in

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<v Speaker 5>two thousand and six, and someone would have talked, and

470
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<v Speaker 5>at that time, I didn't think it was nearly as

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<v Speaker 5>meaningful as I do now. But hopefully that's because in

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<v Speaker 5>twenty some years we learned a lot. We've been able

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<v Speaker 5>to connect a lot of dots that weren't visible. But

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<v Speaker 5>those dots go back to really understanding the documents great

475
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<v Speaker 5>level of detail and being able to do connective tissue.

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<v Speaker 5>Give you an example, Back when I first wrote about Underhill,

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<v Speaker 5>one of the one of the pure questions is why

478
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<v Speaker 5>would he think people would know about him? Why would

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<v Speaker 5>he know that these people had a history in Southeast Asia?

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<v Speaker 5>Why would he know that these people had a history

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<v Speaker 5>with smuggling. You know, it's because it's a nebulous group

482
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<v Speaker 5>of people that he's scared of, right, well, as long

483
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<v Speaker 5>as it's a nebulist group, and it was then right

484
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<v Speaker 5>because I didn't know, I don't think anybody really, you know,

485
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<v Speaker 5>he just he thinks it's a it's a group and

486
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<v Speaker 5>he gives a.

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<v Speaker 4>General description of them.

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<v Speaker 5>Now we can put names to those people, We can

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<v Speaker 5>put names to the operations that they were engaged in,

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<v Speaker 5>and we can even answer some.

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<v Speaker 4>Of the questions.

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<v Speaker 5>The question I got the other day was, well, how

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<v Speaker 5>in the world, you know, what was he doing during

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<v Speaker 5>that period of time in the summer fall of nineteen

495
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<v Speaker 5>sixty three that would have got him deeply inside anything

496
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<v Speaker 5>with his connection through Sam Cummings, you know, and weaponshipments,

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<v Speaker 5>And how could he have gotten inside anything that would

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<v Speaker 5>have named some of these people and convinced them that

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<v Speaker 5>they were really dangerous.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, can you do me a quick favor here, because

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<v Speaker 2>let's just say, somebody is going, okay, underhill, I kind

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<v Speaker 2>of recognize the n Who the.

503
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<v Speaker 3>Hell was this guy in nineteen sixty three?

504
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<v Speaker 2>Like, can you you and I know who we're talking

505
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<v Speaker 2>about it, but somebody listening might not. Could you just

506
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<v Speaker 2>do the ABC on this for me, just so that

507
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<v Speaker 2>I know it was covered and somebody doesn't go you

508
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<v Speaker 2>never explained who that was, you know, for somebody who

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't like, who were we talking about? And why is

510
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<v Speaker 2>this even remotely important? If you don't mind, and you know,

511
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<v Speaker 2>the very basic like the Wikipedia as sort of bullet points,

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't mind.

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<v Speaker 5>Garrett Garrett Underhill was a weapons expert. His specialty was

514
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<v Speaker 5>studying weapons, especially foreign weapons. He had served as an

515
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<v Speaker 5>advisor to the military during World War II on weapons

516
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<v Speaker 5>and what those weapons were capable of, and where they

517
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<v Speaker 5>come from and how many of them there are. He

518
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<v Speaker 5>actually got a deferment during the war because he was

519
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<v Speaker 5>considered so valuable in terms of that knowledge that he

520
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<v Speaker 5>got a military service deferment. He really made a career

521
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<v Speaker 5>out of that understanding. You know, who was dealing with

522
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<v Speaker 5>what weapons, not just in America, but to say say,

523
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<v Speaker 5>mostly foreign weapons. And he became involved with through this

524
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<v Speaker 5>both the CIA, but the CIA through a fellow named

525
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<v Speaker 5>Sam Cummings. Sam Cummings was became was involved with the

526
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<v Speaker 5>CIA and became basically the biggest international arms trader in

527
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<v Speaker 5>the world, selling weapons from all over the world to people.

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<v Speaker 5>But for the CIA, he provided a new unique source

529
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<v Speaker 5>of deniable weapons. In other words, that they want to

530
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<v Speaker 5>go do a covert operation and a regime change without

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<v Speaker 5>looking like it's American behind it.

532
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<v Speaker 4>You've got to give.

533
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<v Speaker 5>Your people, your surrogates, not American weapons.

534
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<v Speaker 4>You know.

535
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<v Speaker 5>So this is great because Sam comings this is his business.

536
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<v Speaker 5>So you do a deal with Sam and he gets

537
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<v Speaker 5>you weapons that are deniable and gets them to your people,

538
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<v Speaker 5>and you trust him because you've vetted in. And he

539
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<v Speaker 5>essentially a major CIA asset, and his company is to

540
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<v Speaker 5>some extent a cover company because obviously the CIA's concealed

541
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<v Speaker 5>its relationship with him. Well, Garrett over this period of

542
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<v Speaker 5>time becomes very close to Sam Comings and Comings company

543
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<v Speaker 5>called inter Armco International Arms Company, So he remains. After

544
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<v Speaker 5>the World War Two, he becomes a consultant for various

545
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<v Speaker 5>national magazines when they write about military affairs, and he

546
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<v Speaker 5>is his business in the world is kind of what

547
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<v Speaker 5>what's monitoring what's going on in hotspots around the world,

548
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<v Speaker 5>whether it's laws or after the Congo or Guatemala, whatever,

549
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<v Speaker 5>He's got to monitor what's going on there. You know,

550
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<v Speaker 5>what factions are involved, where are they getting their weapons from,

551
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<v Speaker 5>and what does that mean? And so he becomes a

552
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<v Speaker 5>consultant to a lot of magazine articles, right are they're

553
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<v Speaker 5>written about these things. So that's the backstory of Sam Cummings.

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<v Speaker 5>After the assassination of President Kennedy, Comings panics. He goes

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<v Speaker 5>to personal friends of his. He's he's obviously terrified and

556
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<v Speaker 5>he's basically says you know, I've been doing some research

557
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<v Speaker 5>and I'm studied and one of the things I came

558
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<v Speaker 5>across with this was this group of people who have

559
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<v Speaker 5>been doing smuggling, who've been involved with weapons transfers, who've

560
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<v Speaker 5>been involved in drugs. Uh, and they're doing these in

561
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<v Speaker 5>it's rogue, They're not they're he's obviously suggesting that it's

562
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<v Speaker 5>CIA officers. They're doing activities to make money for themselves,

563
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<v Speaker 5>but the things they're doing are not administration policy. And

564
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<v Speaker 5>he feels that JFK finally found out about it, they

565
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<v Speaker 5>knew he found out about it, and to preserve themselves,

566
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<v Speaker 5>they killed them. And he is terrified about this, tells

567
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<v Speaker 5>his friends about this, is almost frantic about you know,

568
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<v Speaker 5>these people, I not only know what they know, they

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<v Speaker 5>know me. They know that I've been asking the wrong questions,

570
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<v Speaker 5>and they know I know what they were doing.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh. It's always terrified.

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<v Speaker 2>Right well, because at the end of the day, look

573
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<v Speaker 2>forget about the JFK assassination.

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<v Speaker 3>In a lot of other cases where you see.

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<v Speaker 2>A foreign leader who is killed, especially like in a

576
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<v Speaker 2>coup attempt, people start asking questions as to where the

577
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<v Speaker 2>people and the coup got their weapons from.

578
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<v Speaker 3>This guy would know that.

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<v Speaker 2>And look in circumstances where there's narco state kind of

580
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<v Speaker 2>situations and stuff like that, and people are creating let's

581
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<v Speaker 2>call them, off the books funding resources, right, you know,

582
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<v Speaker 2>where they're creating revenue that nobody's ever going to report anywhere,

583
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<v Speaker 2>but can be used to fund projects, pay assets on

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<v Speaker 2>the ground, take care of business, et cetera in other places.

585
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<v Speaker 2>And the chicanery that we learn about, you know through

586
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<v Speaker 2>I Ran Contra leader and all that kind of stuff,

587
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<v Speaker 2>et cetera, et cetera. Right, it's reasonable this guy is

588
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<v Speaker 2>actually a little worried, okay, because in another country they

589
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<v Speaker 2>definitely would have no problem with Okay, Well, the president

590
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<v Speaker 2>who might have you know, the president of country X,

591
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<v Speaker 2>whatever you want to say, might have powers to go

592
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<v Speaker 2>ahead and punish some of the people that failed in

593
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<v Speaker 2>a coup attempt against him, stuff like that, you know,

594
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<v Speaker 2>so they might seek to eliminate that guy to capitate

595
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<v Speaker 2>the government, make sure there's nobody to strike back against them.

596
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<v Speaker 2>And well maybe that's one of the theories that works

597
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<v Speaker 2>here regarding JFK.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, So, and I think you bringing up a run

599
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<v Speaker 5>Contra is a perfect example because we know across history

600
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<v Speaker 5>there have been times when there have been CIA officers

601
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<v Speaker 5>and their surrogates and people people doing things that were

602
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<v Speaker 5>obviously against administration policy, against what the administration says it's

603
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<v Speaker 5>doing is legally allowed to do, as with a ran contra.

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<v Speaker 5>Now in some cases there we found out, oh it

605
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<v Speaker 5>was the president himself who was act against official State

606
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<v Speaker 5>Department policy.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, but you don't know. You wouldn't know that at

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<v Speaker 4>the time.

609
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<v Speaker 5>Right at the time, it's like, good lord, you know,

610
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<v Speaker 5>what if the presidents find out about this drug smuggling

611
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<v Speaker 5>to from Nicaragua and Central America and what if he

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<v Speaker 5>finds out this is somebody is going to get you know,

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<v Speaker 5>jailed or whatever. And now later on at the time

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<v Speaker 5>you would be terrified thinking about what was going on.

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<v Speaker 5>And it's not until later on you know that this

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<v Speaker 5>is actually sanctioned by this rogue thing within the government itself.

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<v Speaker 5>So in regard to Underhill, I think what has emerged

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<v Speaker 5>now that I would say about Underhill that I couldn't

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<v Speaker 5>say then is And this came from a question someone

620
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<v Speaker 5>asked me the other day. They said, do we know

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<v Speaker 5>what under Hill was working on? And the thing is

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<v Speaker 5>we do because of his friends and some of the

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<v Speaker 5>letters and conversations that they had after this and after

624
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<v Speaker 5>his death, and one of the things he was working for,

625
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<v Speaker 5>Fortune magazine. Fortune Magazine, like Life Magazine, was a loose publication.

626
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<v Speaker 5>Louis was a rabbit anti Communist, a rabbit anti Castro.

627
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<v Speaker 5>He was so rabbid. He had been paying for reporters

628
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<v Speaker 5>to go on missions, to do photo coverage of missions

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<v Speaker 5>against Cuba. He was a rabbit about Cuba. And Louise,

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<v Speaker 5>we now know, had been convinced that Russian missiles had

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<v Speaker 5>been left in Cuba and that JFK had been totally

632
00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:43.000
<v Speaker 5>gamed by Khruschef, and was so naive that it was

633
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:44.760
<v Speaker 5>virtually amounted to treason.

634
00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:46.800
<v Speaker 4>As he was that naive.

635
00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:54.119
<v Speaker 5>Loose was very interested in Cuban missiles, in Russian missiles

636
00:36:54.119 --> 00:36:59.880
<v Speaker 5>in Cuba, and that's what Underhill was working on in

637
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:03.440
<v Speaker 5>the summer and fall of nineteen sixty three. Now that

638
00:37:03.639 --> 00:37:07.760
<v Speaker 5>by itself doesn't mean anything until you put together the

639
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:11.719
<v Speaker 5>connection to Operation Tilt, which is a big thing in

640
00:37:11.800 --> 00:37:16.960
<v Speaker 5>JFK literature, which was a mission financed by Henry Loose,

641
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:24.039
<v Speaker 5>supported by the CIA, and was totally against administration policy.

642
00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:26.760
<v Speaker 5>As a matter of fact, what Lewis wanted to do

643
00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:31.119
<v Speaker 5>was bring out Soviet missile techs, missile texts, and he

644
00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:35.760
<v Speaker 5>had arranged with certain CIA officers to bring them out

645
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:40.440
<v Speaker 5>and take them immediately to a congressional committee where they

646
00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:46.400
<v Speaker 5>would testify about missiles inside Cuba and JFK would be

647
00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:47.800
<v Speaker 5>made to look like a fool.

648
00:37:48.679 --> 00:37:49.360
<v Speaker 4>It was Tilt.

649
00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:53.599
<v Speaker 5>Was TILT or Operation Red Cross or whatever you want

650
00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:58.480
<v Speaker 5>to call it was a mission inside the CIA that

651
00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:03.199
<v Speaker 5>was politically motivated to essentially hang JFK out to look

652
00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:11.639
<v Speaker 5>like an idiot. And if if that's where Anderill was looking,

653
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.480
<v Speaker 5>he would have seen a bunch of CI officers that

654
00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:20.480
<v Speaker 5>were doing something that appeared to be totally rogue and

655
00:38:20.599 --> 00:38:24.480
<v Speaker 5>totally you know, explosive. If JFK had found out what

656
00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:26.480
<v Speaker 5>they were doing, which it appears that he never did.

657
00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:29.840
<v Speaker 4>It was it was either.

658
00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:34.599
<v Speaker 5>JFK or RFK ever heard of that mission or understood

659
00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:38.159
<v Speaker 5>it or its implications. If you want to continue that

660
00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:41.639
<v Speaker 5>on a couple of months, then we have m World

661
00:38:42.159 --> 00:38:47.239
<v Speaker 5>and the m World project, which was intended to initiate

662
00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:51.480
<v Speaker 5>military action. It gets Cuba from offshore, but it was

663
00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:55.719
<v Speaker 5>so deniable that the people that were being recruited into

664
00:38:56.119 --> 00:39:01.320
<v Speaker 5>that project, were told that JFK had deserted them, that

665
00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:05.320
<v Speaker 5>the US couldn't be trusted, they had new sponsors, and

666
00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:08.679
<v Speaker 5>that yes, they were going to be buying a lot

667
00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:12.199
<v Speaker 5>of weapons and a lot of armaments and ships and planes.

668
00:39:12.559 --> 00:39:17.719
<v Speaker 5>All the money was coming from overseas. If Underhill had

669
00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:20.800
<v Speaker 5>seen that happening, and since the weapons were coming through

670
00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:25.960
<v Speaker 5>inter Armcow, most likely he did, he would once again

671
00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:29.719
<v Speaker 5>have come across this same group of people who appear

672
00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:34.880
<v Speaker 5>to be acting totally against the President, and the guy

673
00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:39.320
<v Speaker 5>that's leading this new operation named Hecksher had just come

674
00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:44.559
<v Speaker 5>over and been reassigned, having been chief Assation in Laos

675
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:48.039
<v Speaker 5>and worked in the Golden Triangle, and we all know

676
00:39:48.119 --> 00:39:51.559
<v Speaker 5>what that means. So if you reverse engineer a lot

677
00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:54.880
<v Speaker 5>of those things which were not meaningful to me back

678
00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:58.039
<v Speaker 5>in two thousand and six, suddenly I have very good

679
00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:01.800
<v Speaker 5>reason to feel that under His had every reason to

680
00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:05.440
<v Speaker 5>think he had stumbled across something that was extremely dangerous.

681
00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:08.199
<v Speaker 2>Right, And you know, for people that think all of

682
00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:12.360
<v Speaker 2>that just sounded too complex, I would recommend Larry's book Nexus,

683
00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:16.360
<v Speaker 2>which makes perfect sense here because you're talking about a

684
00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:20.639
<v Speaker 2>complex nexus of connections. But this is the way the

685
00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:25.159
<v Speaker 2>world worked then and still I argue works today when

686
00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:28.199
<v Speaker 2>it comes to this stuff. You know, there's often confusion

687
00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:31.079
<v Speaker 2>about like, well, that doesn't make sense, why would they

688
00:40:31.079 --> 00:40:34.960
<v Speaker 2>support that that's not with them politically or whatever. It's

689
00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:38.519
<v Speaker 2>not always about politics. It's all political, but it's not

690
00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:41.400
<v Speaker 2>always about the surface level of the politics. You know,

691
00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:45.639
<v Speaker 2>there are operations that are going on constantly where there's

692
00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:51.119
<v Speaker 2>outside influence being exerted on various nations for different reasons

693
00:40:51.159 --> 00:40:56.440
<v Speaker 2>over resources, strategic positioning, et cetera, et cetera. Maybe there

694
00:40:56.519 --> 00:41:00.880
<v Speaker 2>is the surface level political consideration, but you don't understand

695
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:03.880
<v Speaker 2>these things as they just well, gee, the US sends

696
00:41:03.920 --> 00:41:06.599
<v Speaker 2>an envoy and they deal with it. No, it doesn't

697
00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:09.360
<v Speaker 2>always work that way. You know, there's a lot of

698
00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:13.519
<v Speaker 2>things going on here. But again I recommend to all

699
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:16.880
<v Speaker 2>of Larry's books, and I don't mention nexus enough, although

700
00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:18.360
<v Speaker 2>I use the term constantly.

701
00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:21.840
<v Speaker 3>So it is.

702
00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:25.559
<v Speaker 2>But that's what's relevant here regarding Underhill, right, is that

703
00:41:26.159 --> 00:41:28.599
<v Speaker 2>there is a reason why this guy was nervous. There

704
00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:33.199
<v Speaker 2>is a reason why this was reported, as for who

705
00:41:33.280 --> 00:41:36.679
<v Speaker 2>reported it and why you got these different sources going

706
00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:40.840
<v Speaker 2>on in the paperwork. The way I see it, and

707
00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:44.360
<v Speaker 2>again it's because of the incomplete nature of so many

708
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:47.760
<v Speaker 2>things that could have been investigated that we're stuck with.

709
00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:52.599
<v Speaker 2>We only have this or that source to work with here, right,

710
00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:57.280
<v Speaker 2>So you know about that, there's nothing can be done

711
00:41:57.320 --> 00:42:00.800
<v Speaker 2>about it now, even if we did empower a Senate

712
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:04.639
<v Speaker 2>subcommittee something like that. I mean, the majority of people

713
00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:09.159
<v Speaker 2>just again, just you know, time keeps ticking and sixty

714
00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:13.320
<v Speaker 2>let's see now sixty two years later, right from the

715
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:16.800
<v Speaker 2>date of the assassination. People that were forty years old

716
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:20.199
<v Speaker 2>are likely dead. People that are thirty years old might

717
00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:23.920
<v Speaker 2>be alive. But you know, you're not dealing with a

718
00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:28.159
<v Speaker 2>lively group of living witnesses any longer. You're not dealing

719
00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:32.679
<v Speaker 2>with active operations that are even remotely related any longer.

720
00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:37.280
<v Speaker 2>You know, things are very far flung at this point.

721
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:41.679
<v Speaker 2>So there is that difficulty trying to do something, say

722
00:42:41.679 --> 00:42:45.000
<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty five, twenty twenty six, or on into

723
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:47.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, twenty thirty, almost by the time if they

724
00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:50.760
<v Speaker 2>did get a committee started, So you know, there's that

725
00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:56.400
<v Speaker 2>hurdle regarding all this too. Anyway, Larry, I think we've

726
00:42:56.440 --> 00:42:59.639
<v Speaker 2>actually covered everything pretty well here. Is there anything you'd

727
00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:01.800
<v Speaker 2>like to add add to this? About and you know,

728
00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:04.880
<v Speaker 2>hopefully next time we speak we'll talk about other things.

729
00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:08.599
<v Speaker 2>Unless there's more releases, I'll be more than happy to

730
00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:14.760
<v Speaker 2>discuss if there's more transparency to observe here. But you know,

731
00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:17.239
<v Speaker 2>as we said, it's kind of difficult to predict if

732
00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:20.880
<v Speaker 2>when slash whatever, considering we haven't seen the plans for

733
00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:25.599
<v Speaker 2>it yet. And again, we know we have an enthusiastic partner,

734
00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:29.920
<v Speaker 2>let's say, in the Government in Luna Representative Luna at

735
00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:33.599
<v Speaker 2>this point, and of course Jeff is definitely doing his

736
00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:39.679
<v Speaker 2>best to keep this in the public's mind, and the

737
00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:41.519
<v Speaker 2>rest of us are trying to, I mean, you know,

738
00:43:41.639 --> 00:43:45.039
<v Speaker 2>as much as we can to keep people aware that

739
00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:47.360
<v Speaker 2>there's still work to be done, et cetera. There's still

740
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:51.000
<v Speaker 2>things to be revealed, et cetera. But I stand by

741
00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:53.159
<v Speaker 2>all the statements I made earlier. You know, we've gotten

742
00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:56.039
<v Speaker 2>to a point of transparency where we're sort of caught

743
00:43:56.079 --> 00:43:59.519
<v Speaker 2>up to twenty seventeen as far as documentation goes, but

744
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:05.159
<v Speaker 2>now going further unless you know, voluntarily, there are things

745
00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:08.440
<v Speaker 2>pride out of agencies, you know, in the background somehow

746
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:11.440
<v Speaker 2>In the meantime, I don't know where else we're going

747
00:44:11.480 --> 00:44:13.880
<v Speaker 2>to go on this, So what are your thoughts and

748
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:16.039
<v Speaker 2>we'll just kind of close it out now.

749
00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:18.639
<v Speaker 5>I think that's I think that's a good summary. The

750
00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:24.800
<v Speaker 5>under lead illustrates what the kind of lead that could

751
00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:28.280
<v Speaker 5>have been useful back in nineteen sixty four, right, you know,

752
00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:32.400
<v Speaker 5>if you took that, regardless of his death suicide or not,

753
00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:35.239
<v Speaker 5>if you took that just to this fellow you know,

754
00:44:35.639 --> 00:44:41.079
<v Speaker 5>has real good sources within the CIA and came across

755
00:44:41.119 --> 00:44:43.360
<v Speaker 5>something to make him think that there were a group

756
00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:48.239
<v Speaker 5>of rogue actors within the agency and at surrogates who

757
00:44:48.239 --> 00:44:52.239
<v Speaker 5>were so dangerous that they might even have killed the president.

758
00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:55.519
<v Speaker 4>Then that would have been a good lead. You know.

759
00:44:55.679 --> 00:44:58.239
<v Speaker 5>It's just one of many leads actually that we know

760
00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:01.880
<v Speaker 5>about today that that might in the direction, but it's

761
00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:04.559
<v Speaker 5>no longer. Then it would have been a lead, it

762
00:45:04.599 --> 00:45:07.320
<v Speaker 5>would have been worth investigating, and it would have pointed

763
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:10.920
<v Speaker 5>to the people that I was talking about earlier. But now,

764
00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:15.400
<v Speaker 5>you know, it's interesting. There's a lot of stuff in

765
00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:19.960
<v Speaker 5>the records that we see now that is historically relevant.

766
00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:22.360
<v Speaker 5>You know, I've got I've got to say that it's

767
00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:29.280
<v Speaker 5>good history. But the leads that are there, including the

768
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:33.400
<v Speaker 5>details like people and names and sources and where this

769
00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:36.320
<v Speaker 5>came from and who knew this when it's too.

770
00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:36.840
<v Speaker 4>Late for us.

771
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:40.719
<v Speaker 5>It helps us with our speculation, but I'm not sure

772
00:45:40.719 --> 00:45:45.159
<v Speaker 5>that it would help you know, criminal investigation. It's too late, right,

773
00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:50.519
<v Speaker 5>and that's that's frustrating. But I think I think it's reality.

774
00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:56.119
<v Speaker 5>I would find My summary is if I was starting

775
00:45:56.119 --> 00:45:59.920
<v Speaker 5>this all over again, as far as the criminal investigation,

776
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:06.880
<v Speaker 5>and I would focus on items of evidence, forensics materials,

777
00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:11.760
<v Speaker 5>autopsy materials. I would have that revisited to see if

778
00:46:11.800 --> 00:46:15.199
<v Speaker 5>they really support the government story, which most of us

779
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:19.360
<v Speaker 5>no longer believe. I think that that could lead to

780
00:46:19.400 --> 00:46:24.280
<v Speaker 5>a resolution. It could literally lead to a statement that says, no,

781
00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:29.559
<v Speaker 5>it didn't happen the way the history books say it happened.

782
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:32.400
<v Speaker 4>Here's why. We don't know, and we won't know.

783
00:46:32.519 --> 00:46:35.000
<v Speaker 5>But that would be good history, and that would be

784
00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:38.599
<v Speaker 5>good for the country because it would force the country

785
00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:42.199
<v Speaker 5>to face up to its history, bring in the criminals

786
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:46.880
<v Speaker 5>to justice. Not so much, but you know, resolving our history.

787
00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:50.360
<v Speaker 5>Maybe so, But I doubt that anybody's going to call

788
00:46:50.440 --> 00:46:52.000
<v Speaker 5>and put me in charge of that effort.

789
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:56.079
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, because objectively, if anybody asked my opinion, here's

790
00:46:56.280 --> 00:46:58.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, you want to hear something that probably sounds

791
00:46:58.400 --> 00:47:00.000
<v Speaker 2>ridiculous but true.

792
00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:01.559
<v Speaker 3>This would be a baseline.

793
00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:08.360
<v Speaker 2>We would actually have to exhume Kennedy's body to retrace

794
00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:11.760
<v Speaker 2>some of this stuff properly, and it could be done.

795
00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:14.960
<v Speaker 2>It could be done. You know there it is at Arlington.

796
00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:17.840
<v Speaker 2>Somebody could crack open that tomb and I guarantee you

797
00:47:17.920 --> 00:47:20.840
<v Speaker 2>it's encased well enough that he would be preserved. I

798
00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:24.320
<v Speaker 2>know that sounds crazy to some people, but believe it

799
00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:29.639
<v Speaker 2>or not, that would be helpful and would be extremely

800
00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:33.880
<v Speaker 2>informative and would close a whole lot of open loops here,

801
00:47:33.920 --> 00:47:35.400
<v Speaker 2>a whole lot of open questions.

802
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:41.039
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, closure, maybe that's what we should be talking about,

803
00:47:41.119 --> 00:47:44.639
<v Speaker 5>Jack Klouicher, justice, but closure.

804
00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:48.440
<v Speaker 2>Right, and that's really what we can hope for in

805
00:47:48.559 --> 00:47:49.079
<v Speaker 2>the future.

806
00:47:49.119 --> 00:47:50.400
<v Speaker 3>It looks like to me, I.

807
00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:54.639
<v Speaker 2>As time goes on, I gotta tell you, I'm less

808
00:47:54.679 --> 00:47:57.599
<v Speaker 2>and less enthusiastic about you know, gee, we could still

809
00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:02.159
<v Speaker 2>hold a criminal hearing here and you know, hold somebody accountable.

810
00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:06.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm feeling like that ship might have sailed. But the

811
00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:09.039
<v Speaker 2>idea that we could get closure, that we could get

812
00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:12.719
<v Speaker 2>a reality check on this and actually solve a whole

813
00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:15.519
<v Speaker 2>lot of open questions and put a lot of things

814
00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:17.480
<v Speaker 2>to rest and say, look, for the most part, we

815
00:48:17.559 --> 00:48:21.679
<v Speaker 2>understand it now completely. And yeah, they didn't do a

816
00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:24.960
<v Speaker 2>good investigation in the first place, but now we know this,

817
00:48:25.320 --> 00:48:26.360
<v Speaker 2>and now we know that.

818
00:48:26.760 --> 00:48:27.519
<v Speaker 3>It could be done.

819
00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:31.760
<v Speaker 2>But again, it would require some radical actions and one

820
00:48:31.800 --> 00:48:33.800
<v Speaker 2>of those things that I guarantee you the Kennedy family

821
00:48:33.800 --> 00:48:37.199
<v Speaker 2>would definitely fight, but so would many others, just on

822
00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:39.639
<v Speaker 2>the basis of you know, not disrespecting the memory.

823
00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:42.079
<v Speaker 3>Da da da da dah is.

824
00:48:42.039 --> 00:48:44.239
<v Speaker 2>Stuff like what I just said, And some people might

825
00:48:44.280 --> 00:48:47.719
<v Speaker 2>even find that offensive, the exhumation of JFK.

826
00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:48.599
<v Speaker 3>What's wrong with you?

827
00:48:48.920 --> 00:48:52.559
<v Speaker 2>But that would be a proper way to re examine,

828
00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:55.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, with primary evidence that is preserved.

829
00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:57.280
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, but that's what it is.

830
00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:00.719
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, Larry, Is there anything you want to say in

831
00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:02.360
<v Speaker 2>closing year or you think we covered it all?

832
00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:02.880
<v Speaker 4>No?

833
00:49:03.039 --> 00:49:05.239
<v Speaker 5>I think I think that was a good summary as

834
00:49:05.239 --> 00:49:09.159
<v Speaker 5>to what a reality check maybe even call it. Don't

835
00:49:09.159 --> 00:49:11.039
<v Speaker 5>call it a summary, call it a reality check.

836
00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:12.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there you go.

837
00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:17.719
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we we more records and more collections will help

838
00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:22.280
<v Speaker 5>us refine our speculation, but without going back to a

839
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:27.239
<v Speaker 5>real reset for you know, the basics of a kriminal investigation.

840
00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:32.199
<v Speaker 4>Uh no, it's going to require that for closure. Good.

841
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<v Speaker 4>I think that's a good that's a good summary. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>going to start using those words.

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<v Speaker 3>There you go.

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<v Speaker 2>See I've added somehow to your to your lexicon, right

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<v Speaker 2>little little bit my contribution. I've added to Larry Hancock's lexicon.

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<v Speaker 2>If that's the best I can do, that's not bad anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Go to Larry dash Hancock dot com. I'm sure that

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<v Speaker 2>you have also blogged about some of this stuff in

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<v Speaker 2>recent weeks, right yeah, And people can follow that there

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<v Speaker 2>as well as find out about all of Larry's books.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, I recommend them all. But aside from

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that he takes up a lot of space

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<v Speaker 2>on my bookshelf. Got to tell you the most recent book,

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<v Speaker 2>The Oswald Puzzle. If you don't have it and you're

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<v Speaker 2>interested in this case, or even remotely interested in the

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<v Speaker 2>individual historically we know is Lee Harvey Oswald, I strongly

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<v Speaker 2>advise you pick that one up in digital or physical form.

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<v Speaker 2>I like the book though the book looks nice. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a black and white picture, and you know the cover

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<v Speaker 2>of the hardcover is very nice looking, but also a

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<v Speaker 2>solid reference book. In my mind, there's very few things

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<v Speaker 2>in this case that I count as reference books. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people get deep into their speculations, their

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<v Speaker 2>theoretical assumations, I guess their assumptions, whatever it is. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I like this book because it's very, very straightforward.

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<v Speaker 2>And again you can flip the different things. Just use

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<v Speaker 2>the uh, you know, the table of contents as a guide,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can flip the different things in this book

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<v Speaker 2>and really go deep on a bunch of a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff about the character of Lee Harvey Oswald. So

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<v Speaker 2>I definitely advise you to pick that up if that's

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<v Speaker 2>what you're interested in.

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<v Speaker 3>So I thank Larry for you doing this with me.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk again in a couple of weeks, I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>and who knows, maybe by then we'll have a UAP

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<v Speaker 2>project to talk about, or god knows what by then,

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<v Speaker 2>because the world keeps changing hour by hour, but.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, i'll have we we're publishing a u UAP study

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<v Speaker 5>within the next couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>Excellent, Maybe that's what we'll be discussed the next time.

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<v Speaker 2>And really glad to have had you along and you

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<v Speaker 2>listening out there. I appreciate you as well, because I

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<v Speaker 2>am merely o'celly, all of you.

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<v Speaker 6>Go ahead, Colin, I'm just sit in the truth about

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<v Speaker 6>the day.

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<v Speaker 7>If I have talked those right, well, what do you

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<v Speaker 7>want to know?

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<v Speaker 2>Nady Baker's wild claim Oswald girlfriends he knew Ruby and

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<v Speaker 2>Barry answer weapons? Really, I imagine I could claim I have

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<v Speaker 2>four wheels. It doesn't make me a wagon. But okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Oswald on the building and I'm trying to prevent the

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<v Speaker 2>murder of John Kennedy.

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<v Speaker 8>Come on now, has a real effort on the DAFA assassination.

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<v Speaker 3>Go to Amazon dot com enter Judith Baker in her

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<v Speaker 3>own words.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll get the results for a digital copy of a

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<v Speaker 2>book where Walt Brown utilizes her own words and the

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<v Speaker 2>known evidence in the case to get at well a

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<v Speaker 2>different perspective.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's say you can get.

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<v Speaker 2>Judith Ary Baker in her own words from the author himself,

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<v Speaker 2>signed if you request it by contacting doctor Brown at

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<v Speaker 2>k I A S JFK at aol dot com. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a fun book and it actually dissects the many, many

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<v Speaker 2>fantastic claims Judith very Baker in.

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<v Speaker 3>Her own words.

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<v Speaker 8>Thank you for all the great.

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