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Era is the Irish or Gaelic word for Ireland. So
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Ireland and indeed beyond. Welcome to Scary Era. This episode
of Scary Era, Season three, Episode one is dedicated in
its entirety to the memory of PJ. Doug Carlo, paranormal investigator.
Speaker 2: All views are Mark Manning's own, but you can express
them too if you want to be right about everything.
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And David McGlynn aka the Squire who really is the
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you will be hearing a full interview with Pjkavana, that
most accomplished paranormal investigator operating generally within the Galway region.
We'll be listening to his tales of Derringdo and indeed
some of his famous and they are famous, if not
infamous EVPs as well.
Speaker 4: But sure, if you.
Speaker 1: Want to track around the West of Ireland, this is
the place for you, so do stay tuned now. Not
to confuse you, but PJ will also be paying tribute
to another PJ. Unfortunately, we lost PJ Douke, paranormal investigator
from Carlo around October of last year, and I was
only speaking to him for the first time and indeed
the first time I would have hoped of many occasions
in August of last year. He left such an impression
on me. So our condolences go out to Anne, his wife,
and his family and friends and all those paranormal investigators
that knew and loved him. And indeed we will hear
a little contribution from the man himself and kindly gave
me permission to use some of the recordings that I
hadn't used by was planning to with PJ. So you'll
be hearing a great one tale of a mad night
in Kilkenny where things just went from bad to worse,
really paranormal wise, add so my friends to a new
section of the show, which we will call random, anonymous,
strange but true. Listen on, then continue to listen for
that really in depth interview with PJ Cavanah of Paranormal
Awakenings island.
Speaker 4: Mark manning.
Speaker 2: This one has kind of haunted me for the past
few years, and if my husband is listening to this,
he'll notice me. A few years ago, we were abroad
on a hiking holiday and driving in a mountainous region
with steve cliffs. We pulled over into a small lay
for a short break to eat something, and then we
took back off and my husband wasn't thinking properly and
in fairness, he was exhausted from driving for hours, and
he accidentally pulled out on the wrong side of the road.
As he started driving. A few meters ahead was a
corner on the other side, sharp cliff drop with no barrier.
A car came flying around the corner and honestly sent
to meters away from crashing into us, which would have
caused either us to fly off the edge of the
cliff or could have killed the other driver. It all
happened in a flash. We swerved and nearly went over
the cliff. The other car careered around the back up
to the road, and my husband managed to get us
back onto the road in a matter of seconds. I
had a full blown panic attack. We were both shaking
and crying, and all I could remember was hearing someone
screaming for ages, and I realized it was me. It
was the closest I have ever been, seconds from death
or killing another person. We drove in silence for an hour, shaking,
until we got to work hotel. So the creepier and
unnerving thing that happened to us was when we eventually
sat down at the hotel that night, my husband pulled
out his phone and it was like it had completely reset.
The screen saver he had of us was gone, and
it was changed into a generic black screen, which had
never happened before and never happened since then. When we
flew home a week later, our new enough clock on
the wall, which had only a new battery in it
a few weeks previously, it had stopped and it was
pretty much exactly the same time the near crash happened.
As soon as my husband took the clock down to
fix it, it started working all by itself again, so
the battery wasn't broken and the clock never stopped by itself.
Since I can never get it out of my head
that we actually died that day in some parallel universe
and just restarted into this one.
Speaker 5: When I was about ten or eleven, I randomly woke
up one morning at about two a m. I rolled
over and saw a man glowing white, kneeling beside my bed,
praying with rosary beads running through his fingers. I froze
in shock, and once I gathered myself, I took off
and ran down to my parents room. I told them
what had happened, but was met with the usual go
back to bed, ghost's aunt real the house phone ringing
woke me up at seven a m. And I was
at the bottom of my parents bed. My dad answered,
and after a couple of seconds he said, I'll take
this downstairs. So I sneaked off behind him and overheard
them talking. I couldn't make out too much, but he
came back up stairs and said, son, your uncle Tony
died last night. Come on and I'll show you some
photographs of him, as you'd never met him, and wouldn't
you know it was my uncle Tony kneeling beside my
bed a few hours earlier he had died peacefully in
his sleep.
Speaker 1: Hi, Mark, I was listening to your most recent episode
of Scary Era and wanted to share my own story
with you. You're welcome to share it. I am fifty
seven years young and have never been a believer in
the paranormal, but my wife has always been a huge
fan of shows like Most Haunted and Ghost Adventures, and
I came across a team doing these ghost nights here
in Cove County, Cork at the old Convent of Mercy.
The team is called the Supernatural Society and is run
by Matthew Clark. But if you don't know of them,
it might be worth having them on and they can
back up my story. Anyway, we went with them to
this convent, and to be honest, the first two hours
were exactly as I expected, full of past stories but
nothing actually happening to back it up, and in truth,
I was thinking it was going to be a very
long night. However, we moved into a big old chapel,
and I don't know how to explain it, but the
atmosphere in that room was totally different, and you could
cut the tension with a knife. I can't really explain it,
but it's like when you walk into a room where
two people have been having a fight, and although they
stopped when you came into the room, you can just
tell and feel that something is off. Anyway, we sat
down in here and I could tell that both my
wife and one of the other guests were feeling very
off and uncomfortable, and I think it's fair to say
that if we did not have the investigators from the
team with us, we would have left the room. We
started calling out for a bishop that apparently haunts the area.
Then we all heard what sounded like kids laughing and
running off on the balcony area above us. This was
truly unbelievable, and to the paranormal team's credit, they allowed
us to go and check the area instantly to prove
they had nothing to do with it.
Speaker 4: Etc.
Speaker 1: Sounds led us to a room that was used as
a laundry that kids were forced to work in, and
in there I felt was can only be described as
a hand touching me on the back. It was ice cold,
absolutely freezing, and the cold sensation on my skin did
not go away until literally twelve hours later. All the
hairs on that part of my back were standing on
end for literally all those hours, and it felt almost
like I had been hit by some bolt of electricity
or something. Myself and my wife left instantly and it
was just getting too much for us, and it's not
something I would like to be involved in again. It
was genuinely frightening. But what I can say is it
has totally changed my opinion on all this, and I
thought you might be interested to hear my story. Ah well,
I bet that got your attention, as I'm sure will this.
But even better still, let's get p J. Cavnaugh Paranormal
Awakenings Ireland on the phone, or as we say in Gaelic,
the gone PJ. Cavnah from Paranormal Awakenings Ireland. How are you.
Speaker 6: I'm not so bad.
Speaker 1: I'm doing good, and I'm doing even better than you
because I've managed to bag in. I'll tell you why.
To me, you're a guy who likes being in the background,
and this is only because I've got no vibes but
reverent ones from anyone who's been associated with you. And
when I listened to EVPs as well, you are the
kind of matcho man, right, who calls out the spirits.
If you'll like you and anybody that knows you kind
of it's like he's the one we he's the strength,
your strong guy. Are you a stubborn guy?
Speaker 6: It might be a bit stubborn, but not at all
strong at all? No money about five seven?
Speaker 1: Oh well, you're only an inch smater than me than right.
I'll tell you what. I have some EVPs, I just
I remember them from memory and I just want your
your views on them. For those who don't know, electronic
voice phenomena is EVP i e. You know, fragments of
audio that are caught during investigations. Not often in real time.
It's only when they listen to the recordings afterwards. Right.
The one that struck with me, and I have to say,
gets the gold medal on all the EVPs I listened
to is the Monk's Hut in Kong.
Speaker 6: Alright, yeah, I remember very very well, Like can actually
hear it in my mind now just talking about it,
I can actually hear It's.
Speaker 1: That's okay, First of all, describe the monks fishing hole
in Kong. Where are we talking about.
Speaker 6: Well, most people know what Kng is. It's roughly about
twenty miles outside of goalw and it's on the border
of me But Kong is actually inside the border of Meo.
To know that the last high thing of Ireland was
reputed to have been buried there at one stage, but
then he was taken up and ringing tored in Colnmack
now I think it is now. And the monks used
to do their own fishing for food, you know. The
head is little hoof going across the river there with
a hole in the floor where they woul drop down
nets through this hole a little bell would ring. Then
when the nets activated the bell, it was fishing the net.
So that was called the monk's fishing hole. There's only
a tiny little room. It's probably about ten foot by
six something like that. It's only very very smart.
Speaker 1: Did you investigate it during the day or a.
Speaker 6: Night, both the night, day and night and on enormous occasions. Also,
we didn't just get lucky straight away some time.
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful part of the country.
Speaker 6: Isn't it Absolutely gorgeous for those.
Speaker 1: Of you outside the country who might remember an old
nineteen fifties movie called The Quiet Man. I believe it
was filmed filmed in Kanan.
Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of it was filmed in Kanya. The
sake Paco and Bear for the bear fight was all that.
Speaker 1: It's all in kan and is it is it Goalway
or is it Mayo? I think it's somewhere in between
or where is it?
Speaker 6: It's actually in Meo. The border is right just before
you get to the castle there at for Tesa, the
gold with borders there, so you're actually in Muyo once
you get to Conk.
Speaker 1: When you heard the EVP, did you hear it in
situ on the spot or was it later on when
you were listening post produce later on?
Speaker 6: When I went home that night, I got home around
the four three am or something, and I just couldn't
sleep because our cameras have been very busy. We've got
a lot of camera footage there that will really impressed us,
and I decided that i'd play back some of the
recordings and I was just amazed. I was actually laying
in bed and I nearly fell out of the bed
when I heard this, and I had to share it
immediately with the medium that I know it used to
work with us, a girl from Caramel Conway, and she
could not believe it neither. It was so so good
and it's probably one of the best ever.
Speaker 1: Can I can? I echo? I think it's the best one.
It's the best one I ever heard. We had you
might listen back at some stage and I included it
thanks to your good sidekick mister Costello. Yeah PLoP a
great guy. Doesn't mean Elvis impression as well. I'm told
he does, but any it was. He originally shared it
and we had it on the show, and I have
to say it was the penultimate EVP because I don't
know about you. I just felt I was listening to
something medieval.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's chilling. It's actually chilling and frightening.
Speaker 1: It is in one sense, but I got something else
out of it. I listened. I use this word a lot,
but I listened to it forensically on very expensive high
performance headphones. And I actually hang on before I say me,
what did you get out of that? What did you
think it was?
Speaker 6: I actually believe it was the monich because it was
directed at me. I was actually using a pendulum at
the time, and I was asking questions the last and
the spirit word questions, and I was using a pendulum,
so I was getting my guess and answers from the pendulum.
But in the middle of all this last cuts through
for what it is. It's a demon last at the
fool with the pendulum. That's what's going on there. That's
what I got over it. Anyway, I was the last.
Speaker 1: You see, my interpretation is obviously flawed, and of course
it would be because straight away I'm prejudiced because I
hear this thing monk, So I'm waiting for the monk, right,
And when I hear the monk laughing, he has delivered.
The only thing I will say about it, as you say,
it's a demon there. When I listened to it closely,
I heard two voices in there. There's one very faintly
in the background. It sounds female, an old female, right.
And you know the gist I got out of it
was when you'd said something, someone laughed, so of course
I immediately thought a monk, you know. But there's a
co laughter in there. If you like, it's like someone
else is getting the joke. It's like a female is
getting the joke and laughing in agreement with it. I'll
play it here again so we can all hear it
and people can make their own mind up. But I
think you have a gem with that EVP.
Speaker 6: One of the best I've ever got anyway.
Speaker 1: I mean I've heard a lot. What they all have
in common I have to say is I don't think
and you know yourself, the paranormal community in Ireland, I
don't think there's any as we'd say, chancers or tricksters
as such. All I don't know. Maybe you do, You've
been in the game a long time. I just know
the people I end up dealing with and their salt
of the earth, down to earth kind of folk, you know.
So I can't hold up any EVPs I've played on
my show and say I think this is false. Would
your opinion of the general in the paranormal community in
Ireland be roughly SayMore.
Speaker 6: Well, i'd say nine percent of them would be one
genuine and stress. I mean, what's the point is trying
to make a fool of people if what you have
is not genuine? Because it's really really hard to get
someone to accept through genuine evidence without trying to make
false statements. And false stuff, because people are not stupid.
They will figure you out in the end. You know,
if you can't be true to yourself, if you can't
be true to anyone. So, as I say, it's hard
to get people to accept what appears to be real,
genuine evidence. No need to fake stuff, no need because
you either believe or they don't. That's all it's do with,
you know, So what did you record that EVP on
that was actually caught on my body camera that I
was wearing on my on my chest. Two other cameras
running there and they did not take that up with
my body camp that caught that EVP. Therese two other
static cameras there. I think one of those actually caught it,
one of the static camps, but of all the other
cameras that were there, none of them did my body
cam and the static camp. So I must have been
quite near to the static camp because that one was
actually behind me and then my body camp on my chest,
so those two were in close proximity to each other
where the other rough scattered about the place.
Speaker 1: You know, there were other EVPs I heard from Paranormal
Awakenings Ireland that stuck with me. Do you recall laquin Castle.
Speaker 6: I'm all certainly do, yes, I certainly do. I was
actually going to suggest that, you know, because I wasn't
sure what you had heard or not. That would probably
be my number two at the time, but I've changed
my mind since that because recently I was in Wicklow,
but that's another story. We've got some fantastic EVPs there
as well, so, but lacking is a way up there
with the best of them, I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just remind me if you can, if you
can remember it, what was said in.
Speaker 4: The EVP.
Speaker 7: Helped me help me so, And just.
Speaker 1: A brief history of laquine Castle.
Speaker 6: Well, it was owned by the Kennedy's and apparently these
Kennedy's were also related to the President John S. Kennedy
or vice versa. There were the same Kendedies because lacking
Catholics in Tipperary which is roughly where John F. Kennedy's
people failed from, so they were close connecting to those Kennedys.
There's a pook there as well, So we don't actually
know who's saying help me. Is somebody trying to pool us,
mock us, or is it somebody genuinely seeking help. We
don't know that.
Speaker 1: Remind us again what a pooka is.
Speaker 6: A pook is a shape shifter. It takes the form
of an animal. That can be a horse, it can
be a goat. They can take any shape or formance
like comes across as a playful being, but it's actually
very very dangerous and cunning one. It's well known down
through the years, long before there was ever any such
thing as paranormal groups. The pooka was spoken about in
a lot of town with a lot of counties. It's
kind of a half very half even type thing. It's
very very hard to put him into a category, but
he the column shape shifter because he get a pay
in any font at all.
Speaker 1: Do you know if it's unique to Ireland, the pooka,
I believe.
Speaker 6: So, just like black associated of East European. I don't
know if anybody who's ever seen a pooka. I just
heard the talk of pooker, but I've never actually seen one,
and I don't know anybody who has.
Speaker 1: Is it like an elemental or difference?
Speaker 6: It would be different because an elemental is definitely demonic
and it's associated with that, smells and all of that.
The pooka is more cunning more cunning, and I've never
heard any talk about smith often, but they're deadly dangerous.
I think that the Pooka probably could be associated with
the Faery Realm more so than Markey reds.
Speaker 1: Okay, isn't it funny we have a word unique to
the Irish to describe a cunning person, but a cunning
of kind of evil nature.
Speaker 6: But I think every country is going to have something
of that caliper, every country who who is into the paranormal,
or except the Good and the Bad or Heaven and Hell,
or each country is going to have its own unique,
special one, whichever it's got to be an Okay, sister Booker.
Speaker 1: Do you know another e VP that comes to my mind?
Pjra Strongford Castle, right, do you remember that one?
Speaker 6: A few there? There was a few there.
Speaker 1: There was a four lettered one.
Speaker 6: Oh F your kind? Yes, yes, yes, yes, F your kind.
Speaker 1: Let's listen to it now, yes, yes, okay, So that
one was a harder one for me to decipher, but
I did hear it once I listened to it, you know,
I heard it in there. It was kind of really obscure,
but it was definitely in there. Once you get the word,
the rest follows on, it's very quick.
Speaker 6: That's the problem with that one, very quick, and I
have lost many the night sleep over that particular one.
What was he referring to? What was he saying? I
think he was referring to us as a paranormal investigators.
If you're kind reherring to us the fact that we're
Irish or black or white, it's because we were investigating
and it did later.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't want to be sensitive on your investigations with
some of the characters that come across.
Speaker 6: Well, the thing is you're not aware of it when
it happens, so only when you play it back, because
it's usually you're quitting. The catch is that it's very
rare for a person. Although I do no one who
no longer would have know. We used to hear them
all the time. It's very rare for an investigator to
actually hear with his own ears what's happening. Only later
checking the stuff that he finds out what he's got.
Speaker 1: That makes it all the more authentic, because if you
were screaming and roaring like certain TV programs, you know,
in situ, when the thing is going on, you know,
it just comes across as contrived.
Speaker 6: Actually it does. And you know what, it makes it
very very hard for genuine investigators out there to be
given any credit at all for what they do. You know,
people think we're all in the same boat. It's all
a lot of and we're making it up.
Speaker 1: So are you in goldwaight at the moment?
Speaker 6: I am. I'm at home.
Speaker 1: What's it like outside there? Do you see that big
old moon that was out there tonight?
Speaker 6: A lovely shiny moon out there. Yeah, it could be
a bit of frost coming because the sky is very
very clear. I love I love worry, and I love go.
I love Ireland in general.
Speaker 1: Describe Goalway to anyone who hasn't been there, because I
think it is something special.
Speaker 6: Well, it is. For people who like to go to nighttime,
there's plenty places to go, There's plenty of entertainment, there's
plenty of sights to see during the day. For those
who like to walk about, there's a place to go
by coach hirate care. If you don't have a care,
go a few miles out of the roads. There's loads
to see you. As I say, the border is only
twenty miles away. You have atrod Castle, you have the
cliffs of more or not too far from us. You
have Aluie Cave. There is loads to do, but those
are on the borders of go and clear and go
with it south. There's not so much apart from like life. Really,
that's that's all you have in Gover. But it's a busy,
busy hub and it's actually getting too busy now. It's
getting getting.
Speaker 1: Spoilt, like a lot of the country. I think it's
just it's not what it used to be. But when
I used to go across as a child, like in
nineteen seventy five, you know, and you go there today,
what's the square in the center of Goalway Air Square?
Speaker 3: Air Square?
Speaker 1: That's the one i'd sit there on. I'd sit these
pictures of me sitting on that cannon, you know, the cannons.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they were removed. Now they're going up tools city Hall,
up to the council that we're there.
Speaker 1: Now they're gone. Well the other one now that I used
to impose upon was porick'connor's knee. Pictures gone.
Speaker 6: He's gone to the museum. Yeah, he's gone to the museum.
Were replicably there because apparently the Paul Park's original statue
was adlazed one night his head was taken off them.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he's he was playing. Yeah yeah, also dove,
which translates to my little black ass.
Speaker 6: Well, yeah you can, you can say that will do,
that's right.
Speaker 1: And he had he had the Do Dean, which was
the little pipe, wasn't.
Speaker 6: It the pipe? Yeah? The clear pipes, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Clay pipe, the Do Dean.
Speaker 7: A lot of.
Speaker 6: People can still find both of those clear pipes now
along the beaches to this very day.
Speaker 1: Do you know something. I grew up in Dublin and
digging in the garden I'd find bits of those, so
they were obviously just everyone had them.
Speaker 6: Everyone has them. Yeah, yeah, sure they were only I
think about a hapney or a penny used. The cost
at the time very very but I suppose hate me
and pennies for her come by back in that time.
Speaker 1: That's true. Have Do Dean, will travel, but Camerlet. I
think the atmosphere between Mayo and Goldway I find at times, well,
there's two types of atmosphere I feel from Goldway. One
is the very ancient, you know, almost like that kind
of low kind of atmosphere. The mythical that's the word
I'm looking for and the other one I come across
is a terrible sadness.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, you have that too, But there's also a
terrible aminocity between Gold regions and the people all over
football over four. Yeah, they'll hear each other when it
comes to the football.
Speaker 1: So what I get off it is maybe a sense
of the famine PJ.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: A lot of people died both you know, angle was
during those years, the famine years, and a lot of
it was unnecessary because the world food here on it
has been shipped out, so it was like the country
you know, so it.
Speaker 1: Manufactured famine was it.
Speaker 6: Was actually manufactured men all Pravilion had a lot to.
Speaker 4: Do with that.
Speaker 1: Pavilion's corn.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the one. Yeah, we're on the same so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, so you're talking not so much
a famine as a genocide almost.
Speaker 6: That would be nearer the truth. Yeah, that would be
near the truth.
Speaker 1: Yea.
Speaker 6: Yeah. There were actually some very rich lendlords who had
tenants living under land on the property and you allow
the tenants to serve outside their gates while while they
were having massive parities for their bodies inside, people actually
outside their gifts starving as landlord's it was terrible was
going on y and but you.
Speaker 1: Know, on the flip side and they would be rare.
You had the good landlord as well. I think I
was reading about one in Letterfrack where the people almost
loved them, you know, built a community around them. And
these landlords were so benevolent. I think they were Quakers
by nature, this particular family.
Speaker 6: The world a see what to call it through through
brit better world, you know, but you could count the
good guys, I'd say, on one hand.
Speaker 1: Really we don't mean to be derogatory, but speaking about Brits,
I believe you've visited Lord Hahaw's grave.
Speaker 6: Yes I did, yeah, yeah, yeah, And again not a
true Britt.
Speaker 3: But there you go, Germany calling, Germany calling, Germany calling.
Speaker 6: And he was he was just a parasise, That's what
he was. A parasise.
Speaker 1: He was. Was he born in America originally.
Speaker 6: He was, And he was reared here and Go and
in Connemara, and he spent some time in England, and
he spent more time in Germany. He's most famous for
the German fighters.
Speaker 1: And you know, people did a lot worse than him
that got away with it, you know.
Speaker 6: And I certainly did. Only he couldn't keep his mouth
just that's what happened to him in the end, you know,
he talked himself into an oof.
Speaker 1: Did them was he shot by the IRA as a
school kid or something, or did he get in trouble with.
Speaker 6: The rat there saying that he was a messenger boy
for the Black and Tans or the British people at
the time, and the rare were definitely after him. Whether
they were caught up with him or not, I don't
know because the some say yeah and some say no.
But my head tells me if they had caught up
with him, that the Brits would never have hung him
because the Brits would never have gotten he would have
been dealt with us long before he ever went to England,
you know. But he was only a school buy back then.
And the story goes he was carrying messages to and
fro to the British police and the Black and Tans
at the time. Wow, so he had to leave Ireland
in a hurry, you have to leave.
Speaker 1: Then he became a three sixty and and became a Nazi.
Then he did a three that's.
Speaker 6: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, and we left started thing and
now he got caught up with Mosley and his crowd,
and he got his face badly caught up there at
a riot one.
Speaker 1: Time, he got a slashow cut, I think to the face.
Speaker 6: Well, he got cut from his lip to eas ear,
I believe, because I believe was very bad. And then
when he was eventually tried and hung in England, that
scar the boast is cracked open when he dropped. Yeah, anyway,
I had no time for the man, and I got
that quite there from his grave. I met it quite
clear to make no time from and did he respond
not really as such, But all our equipment started playing
up on us. We couldn't explain it. So I'm going
to go back another time, maybe sometime on a nice
summer night or something like that, and do because it
was a bit wintery the night I went up there,
and nothing went to card and the plan for us
that night. But he didn't tell me to shut up
or get out mess offer ana, you know, So I
will try again. I'll try again. I always like to
give everything a fair chance, you know, even if I'm
investigating a place. Just because I don't get lucky once doesn't.
Speaker 7: Put me off.
Speaker 6: I'll go back again. Because it's a bit like fishion.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 6: Sometimes they're just not fighting, it doesn't happen, and other
times you're a lucky man, you know.
Speaker 1: Okay, well we'll leave Lord in his in his grave.
And I want to ask you about these investigations. Do
you ever feel drawn to any particular location?
Speaker 6: Oh, certainly. It happens to me all the time. Because
I I don't know, I feel drawn. I'm like a
magnet when I go to a location. I know before
I even get out of my car that there's something
going to go on here tonight or does not. I
just know what I feel it. I get this tinging
all over my body that the hears on my arms
stand up and you can actually hears like a static electricity.
And I know that there's stuff going on here. Now
whether I catch it or not is a different matter.
But I know that there's stuff going on straight away.
Speaker 1: So you got a vibe.
Speaker 6: I must certainly do.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I must certainly do.
Speaker 6: And I have much hair left. Now that's a bit
I have. It stands up and as I say, my
ears start making noises as well. I get bushing in
my ears and I get electricity. Tell me arms, I
can feel it. It's like static electricity.
Speaker 1: So you're like a human divining.
Speaker 6: Well, it wouldn't go as far as that, but I
certainly feel stuff. I certainly feel it, and I can't
explain it.
Speaker 1: So PJ could be driving along on the road and
nothing's happening. Yeah, but next minute, ingo.
Speaker 7: That's it.
Speaker 6: And that can happen. When I'm driven by any place
or approaching a place, that can happen.
Speaker 1: And even if the place isn't notorious or whatever, you
will find something in that.
Speaker 6: Correct, right, that's correct?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah. Or I walk into a person's house, I can
walk into a public place and if it happens, it happens.
I actually feel the singing in my body and I know,
I know it's not of this world.
Speaker 1: So is it like you're picking up a frequency, PJ.
Speaker 6: That's exactly what it would be. Is a frequency, yes,
or or an energy one or the other.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Mediums would be able to describe that better. Now.
I don't know that the gifts or the course beyond.
Sometimes it's not very pleasant, you know.
Speaker 1: And that's so true because I had a lady on
the show and she's a medium, Rhonda Hale, and I
said the same thing to Rhonda. I said, you know,
you could walk by somebody and you get a vision
of them engaged in something not particularly you know, moral
or attractive or downright evil, you know, and so it's
a curse in that respect, you know you Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just know I'm very sensitive to well, I know,
I have no scientific explanation for it. I'm not even
going to attempt to explain it because I couldn't well try.
Speaker 1: And attempt to explain this to me, because I've had
plenty of investigators since I started Scary Era, and yet
you're the only one that seems to have picked up
on the and at openly acknowledged the demonic aspect. Is
that me getting it wrong or you you know, you
you were open to it. Where there's a lot of
they skirt around for the more traditionally diddly didled somebody
coming out, you know. And yet when you when you
spoke about, say the Monk's fishing house, that come yeah, yeah,
you know you've got something. You've got a demon there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but you see that demon may or may not
be related to the Abbey of Khan. That demon is
probably there long before it was ever an abbey there. Plus,
that particular site exactly where we were above the monk's
fishing hole, was actually a monk murdered there on that
spot by another monk. We don't know why, but there
was some American or something and one monk till the
other and he actually pushed these remains down through that
hole and he floated away way off down the river.
That was the indom So, you know, just because it
was a holy place doesn't mean that they won't be
demons there.
Speaker 1: When you say a holy place, So that would be
in the Christian sense.
Speaker 6: In the Christian sense religious sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I always default to Christianity, you have to say,
even though i'm you know, I'm one of these kind
of almost sitting on the fence kind. I suppose it's
because we're how we're brought up, you know, just exactly.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So you didn't have to be whatever religious you are,
of course, that's that's that's indoctrinator in by your parents
or your school or whatever clergy, whatever fate you happen
to belong to.
Speaker 7: It.
Speaker 6: You know, it's instill then you you don't ask for
Before we ever had Christians here, we had Pagans, we
had all kinds of things going on here until Saint
Patrick came along and he christianized the country.
Speaker 1: Mh.
Speaker 6: He killed a lot of Pagans, or he was the
cause of Pagans being killed. Were still Christianity and you know,
people don't like to hear that, but this is what happened.
And the Druids. We had the Drows before we ever
had Christmas. You know, a lot of this demonic stuff
could go back that fear and even further. You know,
we're only new kids on the block. Hair of.
Speaker 1: The Druids fascinate me. There were kind of priestly in exactly.
Speaker 6: Exactly exactly, yeah, yeah, and they were here long before
we ever heard of Sir Patrick or anybody. Sim Patrick
did away with them in the end, you know, yeah,
I reckon that. When they say the Sam Patrick thro
all the snakes out of Ireland, it's referring to the
rules and the Pagans. But there was never a snake
in Ireland. But we haven't the Dolls, you know, and
they'll always be here apart from three We'll always have
those guys.
Speaker 1: The Doll is our parliament for those of you outside
the country. By the way, folks, well we won't go there.
I want to stay on. We'll stay on the paranormal,
stay in the parent Yeah.
Speaker 6: We will get lost. We could get lost in the conversation.
Speaker 1: We could quick we could get lost. We were talking
about Druids and Christians. Now let's talk about people who
believe in the paranormal and who don't, the skeptics. Did
you start out a skeptic?
Speaker 6: I most certainly do.
Speaker 1: Do you know what, PJ. I get this buzzword all
the time called parry unity, and indeed we did a
little piece on it there recently. Have you any views
on on pari unit were laughing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I have never experienced parai unity in Ireland
myself for personal apart from with one other group. Men
is no longer with this. Now there's a good friend
of mine, poor pg Doogle, Yes, and maybe one or
two others. The rest of them this what your page,
to follow your page, to see what you're doing. But
they'll never give you a tombs up or say hi, hey,
that was very good. You don't get any of that
to get no encourgions whatsoever. So for me, parry unity
is just a word that somebody made up.
Speaker 1: By the way, PJ. For those who don't know what
what is parent You know, in Layman's terms, what's parent
parent unity? Because I'm still trying to get me head
around it.
Speaker 6: Well, it should be in Lemas terms like a union
or workers union, where we're all together and all at
the same looking for the same goal, to get on,
to get evidence and help each other anyway we can.
But that doesn't happen. That's a lovely idea, but unfortunately
it doesn't happen. If anything, a lot of the groups
they're pulling here out of each other, they actually get
jealous of people's work. They don't praise their work, they
don't help them. And there's only really a few, only
a few, And there's a not a lot of groups
in this country, but there's only a few who will
lend a hand and try and help you and give
you a bit of praise. Yeah, so your work is
very good.
Speaker 1: I very late to the paranormal party. As you know
we've spoken before, and you know, this whole thing was
driven by an experience I had as a child grown
up in the military barracks. And what I'd say though,
is I've come to it late in the day and
I hear parenty unity, and I think it's give everyone
a go, this is what it's about. It's all love
and brown rice. But I think it's almost like a
kind of without getting saying political whatever. But you often
hear diversity is our strength, you know. And I think
when you diversify the paranormal and bring everybody and his
mother into somewhat very genuine levels of commitment to the
subject and others with very pedestrian right, so you're trying
to accommodate everybody because it's all come by ah, And
what happens is you end up going for the lowest
standard of understanding of the entire paranormal. Whereas I, you know,
I talk to people like you or people like Cork
Supernatural Society or Puka Vogue, and they're very professional setups.
They're very methodical as to how they go about their investigations.
They come from a really good place as well. They're
not looking for, you know, ghosts jumping out at them
and screaming and roaring and getting hysterical about things. So
it's a good weekend away kind of thing. And I
you know, from what I'm my understanding of parody unity
is is it's not particularly something Now I think it's
like you risk diluting a really good investigation by trying
to accommodate everybody. And as you know, certain people have
levels of commitment and others it's a hobby.
Speaker 6: Well that is so, but also to it's they go
out more to to mock you rather than help what
you're doing. And that's fine too if you know that
from the ark, because we can just say, Okay, you're
a skeptic, that's what I would call, you're a skeptic.
Be a skeptic, but don't get in the way of
what we're trying to do.
Speaker 1: It's a good way of putting it. Getting in the way,
that's what I was trying to say that the flowery
statement I just made it. I mean, people get in
the way, and you don't want to be rude to
people and tell them where to go and ahead to
get there, but they get in the way. It's very
I know you might have even realized what you just said. Well,
I think, to me, Parry Unity, you're getting in the
way of serious investigators.
Speaker 6: You know that you may or may not get something
or have something for your day or your night, whatever
the case may be. But at the end of it all,
you're genuine about what you're doing, and you're only hoping
you get something, and you don't always get it, you know,
of course, now and again, now and again as we
can easily prove we do have some measure of success.
Speaker 1: Yes, can I double back on something really quickly? And
it's one or two names on the row at you now,
I may pronounce this wrong? Is it Rossly Monastery?
Speaker 6: Rosters ross Eily.
Speaker 1: Ross Eirely Monastery.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Also a little pip of that in the John
Wayne movie you spoke about earlier on a right you
see them, you see them riding past there under little
Johnson cart. But what's his name? Very posted?
Speaker 1: Listen, you were there one night, if I remember Philip
telling me, and all hell broke loose?
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, yes, describe what happens. Well, let's have to
start for us. We're there myself too, and one or
two other people who were never with it before it.
You only come out if you like for the crack.
See what we get up to and how we go
about it. And we had a camera that we use
from time to time SLS camera. Are you familiar with
the SLS camera? Yeah, it's a camera that if it
catches anything, it shows us in the form of a
stick man. All right, I know, yeah, it doesn't show
a complete body, just a stick man or a stick person.
But it works on the basis of if fires out
thousands of thousands of little lights that are visible to
the eye, and if it if it sees something that
the pattern of lights are broken up and it comes
back in this stickman figure. Let it be a cat,
a dog, or a person, but it's only a stickman figure.
But this one night, we were there with these guys
who had never been out in an event was before
or any other team comes to that. And one of
them was actually an Asian guy. I don't know the
Indian or Pakistani, butody was out that that coaster anywhere.
And another the other guy was a Goa region And
as I said, they've never seen that Nicklas before. But
I put on the SLS and I'm spinning it around
nice and slowly, and I get this hit. And Phillis
stood behind me with his camera trying to keep the
SLS camera in shot. So whatever comes up on the
SLS screen he can get on his camera. You get
the picture, and just for once we actually get a
real figure on the screen of the SLS camera, which
was never ever designed to do it, was designed to
show you stuff state man figure. And I have to say,
for me, it was the first. And I've had people
from America and all over the globe asked me about it.
They've never seen it before. Later, it's never happened before
or since, because I've gone back on a couple of
occasions trying to repeat it and I can't, just can't
do it.
Speaker 1: And did one of the party leg it out of
the place.
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, no, I don't know where. I
don't know where that came from. No, Philip would be
talking about another place where, back in our early days,
we're down in the basement of a place called Tyrone
House and there was stones, Toronto Us and I had
brought a cameraman, an expert cameraman the common film what
we're doing, Yes, And he'd been output on a couple
of occasions, but were quite nights and nothing happened. But
this one particular night, and I have to say before
I start, it was his last night. He never came back.
We were pelted with stones, yeah, yeah, pelted with stones.
And eventually it stopped and after about twenty minutes or so,
we're getting ready to go home, and we round off
the night usually with a couple of prayers before we leave,
because we don't want to bringing anything back with us.
So whatever is there, we'd like it to stay there
and let us go home nice and peacefully on our own.
That's the idea, saying a couple of players. But before
we said the prayer, film got into he said that
he'd like to repeat performance of this stone throwing episode.
And he only said, if you just do one more
time for us, please just once more, And all of
a sudden bang, next thing, the poor cameraman started a
road and screaming and crying, and he says, no, no, no, no,
I've not I've out out out. He did get out,
and he never came back to us.
Speaker 1: Ever, he's probably still run.
Speaker 6: No. I've read him a few times since it's another
work from me, but only only putting clips together for
me the rest film myself. He wouldn't, he wouldn't come
with it ever again.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, and tell me a palace castle.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I was only there now once and that's not
so long ago. That was just over a year ago.
It's just about it was a daytime visit, but I
am going back there on a nighttime visit with a
crew when it can get a crew together, which is
not very hard or easy to do. No very hard
to get a people who are serious about coming out
with you. They're all expecting to get a fright and
expecting what to see on the TV when they watch
these paranormal shows. It's not like that. It can be
very boring. It can be very long, wet, cold night
and nothing to show. But then there's other times it's
just all comes together you and you know there's no
into but there's no stopping at You just don't know.
Speaker 1: When I have said this numerous times to people, if
you go within those environs, whether something screams that your
manifests jumps out of you or not, the fact is
you're in the middle of history. You are and you know, Like,
for instance, I was out in a place called It's
not far from where I am now, but it's Monkstown
Castle one night, right just down there around between black
Rock and dun Larry. I saw it. I saw nothing.
I was just there with a mate. But what I
did was I felt the history all around me. It's
the same. There's a little base within walking distance right here.
It's called Marian Graveyard, and there was wrecks of ships
that you know, hundreds of sailors were drowned in around
the early century. I think something around that world eighty.
No one is shit thereabout. You know, there were just
and this is a small little plot of land. There
is a tombstone to those sailors, but there's you know
the thing. I think it could be close to a
thousand years old. Some of those graveyards are just you know, ancient,
and you don't have to see a ghost. You don't
have to see experience a poulter geist or anything. It's
just take the time to be and as you whatever
antennae you had you refer to earlier, that picks up.
You know, I just pick up on the history. I said,
if nothing happens to me, it doesn't matter something happened.
You know, if I had a camera that could just
go back in time and see the people have it
in front of these tombstones and that are lying under them,
it's there.
Speaker 6: It's like we will believe it or not. That is paranormal.
That's a paranormal feeling. You're getting you're you're feeling an
energy from the area that you're in. That is an
energy that that area is giving off, whatever it may be.
You don't have to see a Dracula or Frankenstein, you know,
you don't have to have any of that. Once you're
feeling it that you know there's an energy there. Somebody
like me or somebody else could be there and have
a completely different experience, but we would be looking for
a different experience. When you're quite you're quite happy feeling
that good energy totally.
Speaker 1: But when you say experience as well, so just very quickly,
I mean, so you set out an investigation. What's the
typical procedure that you have.
Speaker 6: Well, I've grown myself first before we go anywhere. Anybody
who's who knows anything at all about paranormal work will
know that, or anybody that is into mediumship. You ground
yourself first of all, it's like showing your antennae, okay,
And second of all, it's a good safety measure. It
helps stop you from bringing anything bad with you because
sometimes if you come across a very bad demon or spirit,
you can get what's called an attachment, where this spirit
can actually attach itself to you and you're stuck with it,
and there's only one way you're going to get shot
at that, and that is you have to go and
see a medium who knows how to deal with these things,
and they can have that attachment removed. Now, failing that,
if you don't realize you have an attachment, it can
cause all kinds of hazards or havoc to you. It
can make you sick, they can make it depressed. They
can make you do things to people that you would
normally do, bad things, evil things, do you know, and
eventually it can actually kill you.
Speaker 1: Did Philip ever share with you that's at one point,
I'm not sure where it was. He got a awful
he was overcome by a real evil feeling.
Speaker 6: Yes he did, and that was the entire own house.
I was there when it happened. I actually have a
little video clip that somewhere I could take it out.
Speaker 1: When he described it to me, he said I was
looking at someone or something and he said, I felt
I wanted to kill them, or I was angry. He
was angry. It's coming back to me now. I think
I think he felt an animosity towards somebody because he's
or really was it in the group because he felt
he may have felt that they had inflicted pain on
somebody else years ago or something like this. It was
like he picked up on somebody that was in the environ.
Now I know it might have been directed towards a
member of the group, but it was when he was
describing it to me, it was like he picked up
on somebody that had been there and was a perpetrator
of really nasty things. I think it was to young women,
and he wanted to he basically wanted to kill them.
It passed, and feeling passed.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, what happened was Phil became possessed by a spirit
that was there, a bad spirit, and he focused his
attention on one of the guys who was in the group.
But he wasn't seeing the guy as that guy was.
He was seen that guy as somebody from the past. Yes,
that's so, that's what was happening, and it wasn't nice.
And I say, I have a little clip, but somewhere
I might dig it out sometimes syndromes here personally, you
can actually see the change coming over to Yeah, he
said features everything changed. Everything changed, but it was very brief,
was only for a minute or so, but it happened
that we caught it.
Speaker 1: Can I just change tact and speak to your man
to man bad stuff? Because I know you've lost a
lot of people in your life, and you know, in
a relatively short space of time you have you've had
really poor look and indeed I've lost people as well.
I'll just say, for what it's worth, I think people
stay with you. The memory of those people stay with you,
the energy, the shared laughter and times. So I know
you might be feeling really you know, people say time heals.
I'm not sure about that. I think it gets easier.
Speaker 6: Just so you just learned to tolerate. It doesn't change anything.
Speaker 1: You learn to tolerate raised. So therefore it brings us
to the subject of we need to talk about PJ Doug.
Now if I can just explain a couple of episodes
back and in fact, in late August I spoke with
PJ and was the first time, and there's all the
pjs and paranormalas yourself. There's PJ down and Pokevogue, and
then there was the late the late PJ Doug and
our commiserations of course, and and our heartfelt sympathies go
to is it Anne? I think and his wife and
his children who were still were still relatively young people.
And I spoke to this guy and PJ. I kept
thinking to myself, just like I'm talking to you, and
I would ex extend the invitation actually now that we've
had a bit of time together. But I was speaking
to PJ down in Carlo and I kept thinking, I'd
love to go for, as we say, here a pint.
I'd love to go for a drink with this guy,
because I don't know. I'll tell you what will you
give in your own words? How did you mean PJ do?
And maybe give a little bit of a tribute to him,
because I hate this show to PJ in its entirety.
Speaker 6: Well Mark, we could make an entire show talking about
PG just on his own. It would take more than
a night, but I'll try and get it as much
as I can into a minute or two.
Speaker 1: For you please.
Speaker 6: My first time ever having anything to do with PJ
was back in twenty nineteen March out twenty nineteen. We
were at the Healthfier Club in Dublin Montpellier Hill, at
the top of Montpellier Hill. You'll know what, I'm.
Speaker 1: Sure I've been there, Yeah, right, Well.
Speaker 6: We traveled down there in the car, myself and three
other guys. We spent the whole shigger night in this
healthfire club, and we weren't one bit impressed of what
we got. We were disappointed. And we met a video
saying so publicly, just outside of the club itself, live
on Facebook. Then we packed up for a year, and
we started walking down that love walk down that hill
in the pitch black and night, down to the car.
And we got into the car anyway after a while,
and we opened up the phone and next thing we
see this comment from pg doo. Go lads, you wanted No,
not in exact words, but these are approximately as close
to the truths I can get. You're too full of yourselves.
You need to pay more attention to us going on
around you, and don't be worrying about people out on
Facebook blend or worse of that effect. So one guy
says to the other, the care who is this seller?
Who's he think he is talking like that to us
of black And I said, lead, you know, I think
he has a point. I think we were more worried
about having a good show for the people on Facebook,
and we didn't pay enough attention to what was going
on around us. So with that we decided that we
were head for goal, but unfortunately we couldn't because our
care inside the car park and the barrier had closed.
Speaker 1: Oh I know what, I know the place.
Speaker 6: Yes, we were stuck there. We were stuck there for
the night. Well on a half seven in the morning
when I rode was automatically. But in the meantime we
looked at a few other of his comments and I
asked the lad not to be rude and just just
give the thumbs up and say thanks and we'll get
back from later on. When I got back to go Away,
I had a good sleep for themselves because I've been
up all night night before and they'd driven to Dublin
and back from Dublin and I was absolutely goosed. Oh
I uh stepped looking at some of the footage, and
I couldn't believe what I had missed because I was
too interested in putting on a good performance for the
people at the Facebook lend who might be what I
missed All was going on around me? And again it
was my body camp this body can so I love
so much my body can. That caused this demonic nise
interference on my camera which I'll send you recorded at
Mark and you can hear. It's never happened before, it's
never happened since. And there was no displination for only
was pure the money. And I got back to PG
and I played it for me and he says, now,
let's he says, now, do you believe me? Don't mind
Facebook anymore, keep your mind on the job. There's plenty
of time for praising yourselves on the job is done,
and so on and so forth. And we kind of
became parly that way.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 6: That was March of twenty nineteen. In October of the
same year, twenty nineteen, KG inviters me and my former
group to go down to Ducklets Grove in Carolo, where
he's from himself, and we traveled there and that was
the first time that I met the man in person.
We spent hours there at Tuckets Grove, had a great
night there, very successful nights evidence wise, my selfn PGA.
Then we're best of friends. We were talking to each other,
did every single day, every single evening for sometimes hours.
We just took to each other like duck to the water.
I met him again then in Fingers and Dublin. We
went to property there that was having Politugalese issues. I
invited PGA to come up me with my new group
and we had a fantastic night there. The evidence was
just something unreal. Then, more recently, not long before he died,
we went two week blood jail, and you were talking
about EVPs earlier on. We got some classic EVPs there,
absolutely classic, the first time ever recorded by any paranormal team.
South and PJA. We're lucky enough to get them that night.
And within a few short weeks of that, the poor
man was there and we admit plans to cover half
of her and we had so many places to go
see and do stuffing, but it wasn't to be. He
took sick at work one day and within air nine days.
Speaker 3: He got dead.
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe.
Speaker 6: A lovely man, a lovely, many, lovely man.
Speaker 1: It was Anthony from ghost Era let me know, and
he said that I was talking to and I you know,
because I really meant it, PJ, I meant it. I
want to meet him.
Speaker 6: A lovely guy, A lovely guy, because you know.
Speaker 1: There was a modesty about him, wasn't there? There was
no Obviously you picked up on that with those very
first messages. He was sound, and he was modest, and
he wasn't given to the you know, the histrionic. He
wasn't given to the big sensational thing at all. In fact,
that it all stemmed from. You might remember his original story.
As a young married man, he was in a house
and it was a relatively modern estate and he ended
up running out of the place.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He got a few skiers in
his lifetime, paranormal skiers, you know. So he had nothing
on your respect, and he tried to instilled that in me.
He taught me so much that I never know that
man has forgotten more than I never learned. And he
was very, very modest about it was so bad. He
didn't even like to sound with his own voice.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 6: I had awful I had an awful job to get
him to do that interview with YOUO.
Speaker 1: He sounded great, as do you.
Speaker 6: After it was done, he rang me up and he
praised me and he thanked me. And who was to
know that in a short little while later he wouldn't
be here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I I wanted I said to Anne, I said,
you know, is it okay for me to use any
recordings of him and this I said, And she was great,
and she said, you know this is all by text.
She said, no problem at all. And I said, well,
if you know, out of respect though, it's still very raw.
So I'll give it a show or two before we
do anything. And I thought the perfect guy to give
a tribute to him would be yourself, because I know,
I know you were close. It was you who introduced
him to me, and he was he was a find
and I loved listen to him. I said, I really
really regretted, you know, that I'd lost him so soon,
because you know, sometimes you just get a vibe of people,
and I just kept picturing standing in a pub with
him and just you know what, he's very like. I've
relatives down in Kildare, you know, that kind of down
to earth nothing.
Speaker 6: That I have myself, believe it or not. I have
myself from page and planned points as well, but we
never ever had a single point together. Never. It just
wasn't wasn't to be. We had planned even to come
down the side of the country, spend a couple of
weeks here and we're going to go to I don't know,
numerous places, and it didn't happen. And the thing about him,
I don't know did he mention himself when he was
speaking to He had this unique hearing. He could pick
out sounds. Oh yeah, he had hearing like, oh, I
can't understand that he could. You could play a sound
to him and he could pick out different sounds. Again,
he's hearing was really really razor sharp, especially for EVPs. Now,
he's hearing could pick up a fly where I can
win fifty yards away. His hearing was that's a cute
Ueah yeah yeah. And he'd often pick up stuff and
christ I send them that I hadn't heard myself, and
he'd boost them for me, and I still couldn't hear them,
and he'd boosts maybe by five or ten times, and
he was trying not to start them by over boosting.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, totally. I am an audio guy. I know
what you're talking about.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And eventually I would latch onto what
he was after, but he could hear it. First off.
He's hearing was just amazing. I'll never I've never met
the lakes and I don't think you ever will again.
He was a really special guy.
Speaker 1: I saw a picture of him, and he just looked
so healthy and young, and it's very fair he.
Speaker 6: Was ten years younger than himself. I was the daddy
of all the groups because I'm sixty six. Nummer.
Speaker 1: Actually there's not much playing us yet.
Speaker 6: I'm sixty two, so I'll be hanging up my guns.
And now sharply, I say, I don't I don't know.
I don't know how much longer I can keep going,
especially out in rough, rough terrain and any and stuff
like that.
Speaker 3: I won't be over for that, you know, that's true.
Speaker 6: And I'm looking at from the place some press we
go for a very dangerous.
Speaker 1: You know really, oh well, believe slip.
Speaker 6: You'll see. And it's nearly always nighttime, but it doesn't
have to be a nighttime. It can be daytime as well.
The spirit doesn't care what time it is. He's not
into deny. If he's there, is there, simple as that.
Speaker 1: PJ of obviously giving our other PJ or late PJ
his place as well. Thanks so much for taking time
out of your evening to talk to ourselves here on
scary era. PJ. Cavanagh of Paranormal Awakenings Ireland, cheers.
Speaker 6: All of us market Thanks.
Speaker 4: Mark Manning.
Speaker 1: My thanks to Pjkavanaugh Paranormal Awakenings Ireland. Just google that
name for all his socials and you can get in
touch with him and check out his many fantastic investigations
around Ireland. Now, earlier I mentioned that Anne, PJ. Doug's
wife had kindly given me her permission that I could
use a previously on broadcast section of interview with the
late PJ.
Speaker 4: Duke.
Speaker 1: If you stay tuned after these messages, you will hear it.
It concerns a dark night in kirk Kenny when all
hell broke loose in a paranormal sense. Kind of stay tuned, Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, a couple of things over the years. But I've learned, well,
I don't. I suppose it's not learned. I've just become
accustomed to it. And I think it's kind of it's
it's maybe it's another sense or something. But often when
you go into places, you will get a feeling for
the place and you'll get a feeling of whether or
not it's comfortable. And whatever cause is that. Who knows
what causes that. But we have an intuition, we have
an inbuilt intuition. I can't describe what it is, or
where it comes from, or the physics of it or
the chemistry of it.
Speaker 1: But it's there and anybody.
Speaker 8: Will will tell you to stick with your intuition. If
you think something doesn't feel right, then don't hang around.
Speaker 9: Superb advice from regular contributor to Scary Era, David McGlynn
aka the Squire, and don't hang around either.
Speaker 4: If you've got an Irish.
Speaker 9: Paranormal tale to tell, simply email on Paranormal Ireland add
proton mail dot com and it'll be read out for you,
or you get to tell it on air yourself. That's
Paranormal Ireland add ProtonMail dot com.
Speaker 10: Hello Scary here listeners. My name is Anthony Kerrigan and
I'm a member of a paranormal psychical research team called Ghostterer.
You can catch up on where we have been also
see what we've got up in the future by logging
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You can also check us on our social media pages
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Speaker 4: You can also watch our new.
Speaker 10: Show Phantasm Collective on channels such as Prime UK and
also Paraflex and other streaming services to be announced.
Speaker 4: I've just got to deal with this ghost. Get out.
Speaker 11: Hi, Jenny Sullivan Here. I am the creator and founder
of Emerald Isle Paranormal Researchers. You can find our latest
investigation of the beautiful and infamous Lept Castle. You can
find that on our YouTube page and our Facebook page.
Speaker 1: Now, ladies and gentlemen, sit back and listen to the
late and very great, in fact brilliant PJ. Doug paranormal
investigator extraordinary.
Speaker 3: Here's a security story for you.
Speaker 1: Okay, got to ask you that you must have said
stuff in your job at go for it.
Speaker 3: I remember I was working for a company down in
Kenny and literally patrolled, so you had twenty locations that
you would have to visit on the night. Because I
took up the in climate with this company, I have
to have a guy that trends me in to start
to get to know the code, beyset, the alarms and
everything else. The employer cournt Round said, look, we're going
to give you one of our more experience guys. And
your third sent your not already experience. But the thing
about is you're not from that county, so you're not
familiar with the system. You're not familiar with the road
system or anything else as such, and where these locations
are situated. Google Maps becomes absolutely fantastic when you're first
doing night patrols for a new company. But yeah, I've
found this very unusual. What my instructor was telling me.
Turn around and said to me, We're going to visit
twenty locations tonight within twelve hours and tell me which
one you get a vibe about. And I thought it's
a bit strange, O the Yeah, that okay. Literally we
started out and four hours in and we came to
one certain location, now straightforward, it had a shot run
to it, and there was a variation of extensions onto
the back of it, okay, and the first part part
of the structure there was very much the second part
start to declining the lit Okay. Yeah, as you got
down into the third section of it, you began to
realize this this busines was getting older as you were
progressing down to the building, and once you got to
the end of it, you were sort of like a
bit creaked out suddenly just didn't sit right, which I
didn't expressed that to him, and he didn't ask me.
We just went on and through that whole night until
we finished in the and he says, well, what building
did you get a vibe about? And I saw a
brought back to that bid and I was telling you about.
He says, okay, He says, more night, you're on your own.
He says, you're you're two the next two nights with
me as well. He says, not unfinished. After tonight, I
have enough. There's going on here, you know, And he
says he'll find out. Okay. So the next night I
went okay, and clapping up my own jet, now went along.
It came to this building and there was three checks
on this building. The first checker was nine o'clock, the
second checker twelve o'clock, the third checker was three o'clock right,
and ours checker was grand. You know, went through with
this that you're still a bit conscious of sort of
how it served became more eerie as you went down
through it, and there was very little lightning as you
were going down through it, so you were dependent on
your fort and so on, which gave it that more
cree factor. I remember tree clock check and coming up
to it, right, I unset the alarm, going to the
front part, go through the second part, and at this
point they'll be anxious. And then sentiment said, am I anxious?
Speaker 9: You know?
Speaker 3: I work myself up into a state of anxiety. Maybe
it's just me. This building the sort of coming in
on you source because it's so dark going down through it,
And I thought myself, and I'll shake yourself. Just get
out of it, and I won't mind on it, and
I investigate the paranorms instead. I was getting creeped out
about this business. So as I was coming back up
through and everything else, I came back into the more
modern section and I was sort of looking at what
they had on their display and this that and you're oh.
And as I was just about to enter through the
second or to go out through the main door and
set the alarm, this old man's face turns around and says,
hello there, And I rows to the spot. Honestly by
for us to the spot. So that's not possible, you know.
Speaker 1: It's just a disembodied voice.
Speaker 3: Yes, just straight out there, Hello there, Do that again?
Speaker 1: Do that again? Say it no, no, hell say the
hello there the way you said.
Speaker 3: It, Hello there, and it was really gentle. Really there
was nothing aggressive. Hello and yeah. I stoked to the
spot and I thought to myself that armor was set.
When I came in, I on set that alert. I
checked the first section first. There was nobody in it.
From office to office to office. I went down through
you every section and went down. I checked, there's nobody
in this building. And as I turned around, because you
know what the rule of security is on you still.
Speaker 4: Have to do.
Speaker 3: Did you have regardless of course, carry on regardless? Yeah, sorry,
on regardless, And I remember sort of shaking myself together
and going, I have to check. And I shunned the
torch all around that area, and I knew exactly where
the price had come from. And I shone it over
to the main encounter and I went over look behind
the counter. There was nobody there. There was no intercom.
I was looking around to see us through an intercom
on look on the wall, any wire was I being
watched by the flyer and he just decided to play
a nice one on me. No, not notice, sir. There
was only one security camera in there, and it didn't
even have a sound on it. There was just picture
on me, and because I inquired to believe me. So
I remember walking out setting the alarm, sitting in the
van and kept looking at and I went, I have
to come here tomorrow night. So the following night entered
through and I'm still conscious of what happened the previous
at night, and I go through it, and as I
got down to the bottom, it was like something came
alive inside there and it was like banging. I could
hear that work. Somebody advices there was nobody because the
further you went back into this building, I could carry
you the name of the building, but I can't for
because of the commercial property. But off the records some
day for I never talking to you again, I'll tell
you here. It test started to go crazy and I
just turned around and went like this, you know we're
here straight up? Set the alarm, got into the band
rang my boss right yeah, I said, excuse me, after
we've been any reports from any other security card about
this location? And he turns and he says, yeah, there
some of them feel very uneasy about that location. I said, really, yeah,
I said, did to bring any proof?
Speaker 4: Righting?
Speaker 3: Well, I know we won't go down that line. You see,
they won't admit or tell you that there's a possible
hope maybe going on in there. And due to the
certain validations of other security guard over the years and
visiting that's part and I had the experiences, I said
to myself the best thing to do, right, I'll bring
another security guard with me on the night. And I
asked a friend of mine that literally was working another
location and off would he come along with me? And
I says, I'll take the blunt of it if anything happens,
because literally he wasn't insured beyond the band with me.
But still I wanted ease confirmation, okay, And I knew
he was the greatest skeptical I ever came across. Okay,
So I set to myself, lovely, I have a skeptic
here and I just want validation if anything happens down here.
Basically it's for him to say that he could turn
around as if what the hell has gone on or
so on, or maybe nothing it will happen, because sometimes
that's what happens when you're trying to prove them it
doesn't happen. We all go in Ion said he was
familiar with the property from a visual view. So he says, ah, yeah,
I know that as well. You know it's been here
a long time. And I said, Grant, I said, now
you don't have took any or anything else, but I
just need to pick me up. And now I wasn't
saying to him what had happened the night before. I
just didn't want to start on Nerven or plan something
in his head. So as we're walking down through the place,
he says, yeah, it's a bit crazy. Yeah, it needs
more light than he was certain nearly rebuilding the place.
As he was going down forward and as we were
just hitting down on the last section of it, next
Monk explored it was like there was fights all over
the place and everything else, and and who had to win.
Is there's somebody in the place that's or somebody He
went into what I called security guard mode. Right, it's
a trek. Somebody is either inside the building or they
have got in. And I would they've heard these security
guards walking down and they're panicking, and there's vices all over
your stuff. And this is why he was beginning to tick. Now.
Literally he ran to every door and checked it and
there was chained right, So then he thought maybe to
roup on the roof, and I went on, oh gosh,
we're going we're doing the long stint here now. So
he unlocks. He's the pege of communicate about down luck
and we're going out here. I said, okay, let's go
on over here. And I certain knew of myself myself
there were waste the trains, but you know, I was
going with what he wanted to do. So we went
out through the back of it and was shining the
torch all across the group, not sinner, okay, with all
across the art, checked everything in the art not there
was no entry into the art. It wasn't possible for
anybody to get into this yard. So he turns around.
He says, Tom, what's going on? And I said, okay,
I'll talk here when we get back to the bank.
So as we came back into that, it started all
over it. So here we took out our phones. I says, look,
we just do a bit recording here as we're retreating
now with this building. Okay, that was the way to him.
So as we're going out with the building and everything else,
we're recording. When as we get into this into the
second section, it sort of dies off. And as we
get into the first section, and I'm still conscious of
what I heard for the previous night, literally that old
man's bight. I was thinking to myself, well, this happened again, off,
please let it happen. This be brilliant all together, that
way really conform, And it didn't. We set the alarm,
go outside, and the man turns them and says to me,
bring me home straight away. Okay, I said, right, that
place is haunted. Now this is a skeptic, you know.
And he never talked paranormal or anything else. So the
next day I went into my boss and I said, look,
I'll tell you the truth. Now, there's something going on
in this one. Look and he says that look off
the record. He says, look, we need the contract. We
can not decline that contract. It's a big contract. I says,
I understand that. So I says, look gold, and he's
started getting me a history of what belonged was and
everything else, and it sort of fell into place for me.
At the same time. Every time I rolled up outside
that I wouldn't go into the third section of it.
I'd only go into the first and second and set
the hell with the third section of it as that's
when it really go And so that's my security guard
story for you, and I.
Speaker 1: Have to say exact a gripping one. I'm thinking to
myself the voices that you heard, So I was like,
this kafuffle going on disembodied voices? Was that when you know,
could you even identify? Was it regional accents or was
just noises? So what would how did that sound? I mean,
the hair would have been standing up in your head right, It.
Speaker 3: Sounded like a party of ten people all sort of
talking at once in it's one location and scattered like
they were talking back and forth to one another. But
literally it was like there you were a certain Malcolm
in the middle sandwich between all this, and you know,
there's a possibility that And I always sort of thought
about was it a residual because what was built the extent,
the older part was a part of something else originally
one time it went back one hundred years, So it
could this because once again I come back to the
sort of granite court and is it a recording and
it started playing at a certain time and you're just
part unpersonal enough to be caught in that moment as
you're going through. But your only thing I thought that
was intelligent was the first fight I heard in the
front section and I went, hello, It's.
Speaker 1: Like it's like a little sweet shop owner. I like
him already. I don't know who he is, but I
would love to hear him. Would you like to come
and see the puppies?
Speaker 3: That and you're born? That was a sweet voice.
Speaker 1: But yeah, oh, listen to Kenny is so historic. And
I say, I hail from there, but that's about it.
I was born there, but I didn't hang around very long.
There's a barracks downer Steven's barracks, think it is. We
lived there for a while. And that was that. PJ Doug,
great guy, great friend. PJ Kavnan, many more paranormal investigators.
This entire show is dedicated to you and your wife Anne,
and your children and your many many friends. Rest in
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