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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best

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in paranormal talk radio in the UK and around the world.

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Era is the Irish or Gaelic word for Ireland. So

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take it easy or as we say in Gaelic ligda

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ski and listen to all things concerning the paranormal in

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Ireland and indeed beyond. Welcome to Scary Era. This episode

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of Scary Era, Season three, Episode one is dedicated in

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its entirety to the memory of PJ. Doug Carlo, paranormal investigator.

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Speaker 2: All views are Mark Manning's own, but you can express

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them too if you want to be right about everything.

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Speaker 3: Like he is.

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Speaker 1: And our readers are Sarah Campbell, broadcaster, voice, actor and

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event host and you've just heard her lovely dulcet tones.

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And David McGlynn aka the Squire who really is the

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master of the universe. Aha, there you are who would

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believe that we are now into season three of Scary

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Era Paranormal and it's you guys that have made it happen.

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All your support and remember if you would like to

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share any of your paranormal investigations, findings, stories with us,

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get in touch Paranormal Ireland at ProtonMail dot com. Shortly

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you will be hearing a full interview with Pjkavana, that

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most accomplished paranormal investigator operating generally within the Galway region.

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We'll be listening to his tales of Derringdo and indeed

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some of his famous and they are famous, if not

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infamous EVPs as well.

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Speaker 4: But sure, if you.

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Speaker 1: Want to track around the West of Ireland, this is

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the place for you, so do stay tuned now. Not

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to confuse you, but PJ will also be paying tribute

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to another PJ. Unfortunately, we lost PJ Douke, paranormal investigator

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from Carlo around October of last year, and I was

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only speaking to him for the first time and indeed

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the first time I would have hoped of many occasions

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in August of last year. He left such an impression

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on me. So our condolences go out to Anne, his wife,

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and his family and friends and all those paranormal investigators

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that knew and loved him. And indeed we will hear

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a little contribution from the man himself and kindly gave

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me permission to use some of the recordings that I

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hadn't used by was planning to with PJ. So you'll

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be hearing a great one tale of a mad night

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in Kilkenny where things just went from bad to worse,

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really paranormal wise, add so my friends to a new

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section of the show, which we will call random, anonymous,

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strange but true. Listen on, then continue to listen for

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that really in depth interview with PJ Cavanah of Paranormal

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Awakenings island.

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Speaker 4: Mark manning.

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Speaker 2: This one has kind of haunted me for the past

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few years, and if my husband is listening to this,

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he'll notice me. A few years ago, we were abroad

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on a hiking holiday and driving in a mountainous region

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with steve cliffs. We pulled over into a small lay

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for a short break to eat something, and then we

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took back off and my husband wasn't thinking properly and

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in fairness, he was exhausted from driving for hours, and

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he accidentally pulled out on the wrong side of the road.

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As he started driving. A few meters ahead was a

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corner on the other side, sharp cliff drop with no barrier.

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A car came flying around the corner and honestly sent

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to meters away from crashing into us, which would have

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caused either us to fly off the edge of the

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cliff or could have killed the other driver. It all

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happened in a flash. We swerved and nearly went over

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the cliff. The other car careered around the back up

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to the road, and my husband managed to get us

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back onto the road in a matter of seconds. I

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had a full blown panic attack. We were both shaking

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and crying, and all I could remember was hearing someone

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screaming for ages, and I realized it was me. It

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was the closest I have ever been, seconds from death

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or killing another person. We drove in silence for an hour, shaking,

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until we got to work hotel. So the creepier and

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unnerving thing that happened to us was when we eventually

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sat down at the hotel that night, my husband pulled

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out his phone and it was like it had completely reset.

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it was changed into a generic black screen, which had

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never happened before and never happened since then. When we

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the wall, which had only a new battery in it

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pretty much exactly the same time the near crash happened.

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fix it, it started working all by itself again, so

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Since I can never get it out of my head

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that we actually died that day in some parallel universe

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up one morning at about two a m. I rolled

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over and saw a man glowing white, kneeling beside my bed,

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praying with rosary beads running through his fingers. I froze

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in shock, and once I gathered myself, I took off

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and ran down to my parents room. I told them

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what had happened, but was met with the usual go

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back to bed, ghost's aunt real the house phone ringing

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woke me up at seven a m. And I was

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at the bottom of my parents bed. My dad answered,

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and after a couple of seconds he said, I'll take

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this downstairs. So I sneaked off behind him and overheard

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them talking. I couldn't make out too much, but he

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came back up stairs and said, son, your uncle Tony

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died last night. Come on and I'll show you some

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photographs of him, as you'd never met him, and wouldn't

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you know it was my uncle Tony kneeling beside my

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bed a few hours earlier he had died peacefully in

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Speaker 1: Hi, Mark, I was listening to your most recent episode

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of Scary Era and wanted to share my own story

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with you. You're welcome to share it. I am fifty

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seven years young and have never been a believer in

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the paranormal, but my wife has always been a huge

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fan of shows like Most Haunted and Ghost Adventures, and

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I came across a team doing these ghost nights here

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in Cove County, Cork at the old Convent of Mercy.

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The team is called the Supernatural Society and is run

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by Matthew Clark. But if you don't know of them,

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it might be worth having them on and they can

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back up my story. Anyway, we went with them to

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this convent, and to be honest, the first two hours

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were exactly as I expected, full of past stories but

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nothing actually happening to back it up, and in truth,

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long night. However, we moved into a big old chapel,

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and I don't know how to explain it, but the

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atmosphere in that room was totally different, and you could

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cut the tension with a knife. I can't really explain it,

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but it's like when you walk into a room where

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two people have been having a fight, and although they

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stopped when you came into the room, you can just

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tell and feel that something is off. Anyway, we sat

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down in here and I could tell that both my

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wife and one of the other guests were feeling very

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off and uncomfortable, and I think it's fair to say

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that if we did not have the investigators from the

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team with us, we would have left the room. We

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started calling out for a bishop that apparently haunts the area.

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running off on the balcony area above us. This was

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truly unbelievable, and to the paranormal team's credit, they allowed

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us to go and check the area instantly to prove

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they had nothing to do with it.

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Speaker 4: Etc.

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a laundry that kids were forced to work in, and

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in there I felt was can only be described as

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a hand touching me on the back. It was ice cold,

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absolutely freezing, and the cold sensation on my skin did

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not go away until literally twelve hours later. All the

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hairs on that part of my back were standing on

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end for literally all those hours, and it felt almost

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like I had been hit by some bolt of electricity

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or something. Myself and my wife left instantly and it

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was just getting too much for us, and it's not

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something I would like to be involved in again. It

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was genuinely frightening. But what I can say is it

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has totally changed my opinion on all this, and I

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thought you might be interested to hear my story. Ah well,

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I bet that got your attention, as I'm sure will this.

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But even better still, let's get p J. Cavnaugh Paranormal

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Awakenings Ireland on the phone, or as we say in Gaelic,

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the gone PJ. Cavnah from Paranormal Awakenings Ireland. How are you.

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Speaker 6: I'm not so bad.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing good, and I'm doing even better than you

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because I've managed to bag in. I'll tell you why.

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To me, you're a guy who likes being in the background,

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and this is only because I've got no vibes but

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reverent ones from anyone who's been associated with you. And

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when I listened to EVPs as well, you are the

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kind of matcho man, right, who calls out the spirits.

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If you'll like you and anybody that knows you kind

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of it's like he's the one we he's the strength,

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your strong guy. Are you a stubborn guy?

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Speaker 6: It might be a bit stubborn, but not at all

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strong at all? No money about five seven?

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Speaker 1: Oh well, you're only an inch smater than me than right.

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I'll tell you what. I have some EVPs, I just

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I remember them from memory and I just want your

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your views on them. For those who don't know, electronic

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voice phenomena is EVP i e. You know, fragments of

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audio that are caught during investigations. Not often in real time.

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It's only when they listen to the recordings afterwards. Right.

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The one that struck with me, and I have to say,

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gets the gold medal on all the EVPs I listened

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to is the Monk's Hut in Kong.

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Speaker 6: Alright, yeah, I remember very very well, Like can actually

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hear it in my mind now just talking about it,

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I can actually hear It's.

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Speaker 1: That's okay, First of all, describe the monks fishing hole

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in Kong. Where are we talking about.

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Speaker 6: Well, most people know what Kng is. It's roughly about

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twenty miles outside of goalw and it's on the border

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of me But Kong is actually inside the border of Meo.

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To know that the last high thing of Ireland was

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reputed to have been buried there at one stage, but

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then he was taken up and ringing tored in Colnmack

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now I think it is now. And the monks used

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to do their own fishing for food, you know. The

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head is little hoof going across the river there with

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a hole in the floor where they woul drop down

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nets through this hole a little bell would ring. Then

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when the nets activated the bell, it was fishing the net.

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a tiny little room. It's probably about ten foot by

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six something like that. It's only very very smart.

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Speaker 1: Did you investigate it during the day or a.

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Speaker 6: Night, both the night, day and night and on enormous occasions. Also,

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we didn't just get lucky straight away some time.

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Speaker 1: It's a beautiful part of the country.

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Speaker 6: Isn't it Absolutely gorgeous for those.

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Speaker 1: Of you outside the country who might remember an old

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nineteen fifties movie called The Quiet Man. I believe it

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was filmed filmed in Kanan.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of it was filmed in Kanya. The

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sake Paco and Bear for the bear fight was all that.

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Speaker 1: It's all in kan and is it is it Goalway

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or is it Mayo? I think it's somewhere in between

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or where is it?

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Speaker 6: It's actually in Meo. The border is right just before

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you get to the castle there at for Tesa, the

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gold with borders there, so you're actually in Muyo once

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you get to Conk.

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Speaker 1: When you heard the EVP, did you hear it in

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situ on the spot or was it later on when

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Speaker 6: When I went home that night, I got home around

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the four three am or something, and I just couldn't

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recordings and I was just amazed. I was actually laying

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in bed and I nearly fell out of the bed

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when I heard this, and I had to share it

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immediately with the medium that I know it used to

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work with us, a girl from Caramel Conway, and she

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could not believe it neither. It was so so good

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Speaker 1: Can I can? I echo? I think it's the best one.

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It's the best one I ever heard. We had you

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might listen back at some stage and I included it

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thanks to your good sidekick mister Costello. Yeah PLoP a

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great guy. Doesn't mean Elvis impression as well. I'm told

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he does, but any it was. He originally shared it

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and we had it on the show, and I have

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to say it was the penultimate EVP because I don't

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know about you. I just felt I was listening to

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something medieval.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's chilling. It's actually chilling and frightening.

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out of it. I listened. I use this word a lot,

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but I listened to it forensically on very expensive high

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performance headphones. And I actually hang on before I say me,

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what did you get out of that? What did you

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think it was?

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Speaker 6: I actually believe it was the monich because it was

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directed at me. I was actually using a pendulum at

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the time, and I was asking questions the last and

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the spirit word questions, and I was using a pendulum,

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so I was getting my guess and answers from the pendulum.

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for what it is. It's a demon last at the

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fool with the pendulum. That's what's going on there. That's

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what I got over it. Anyway, I was the last.

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Speaker 1: You see, my interpretation is obviously flawed, and of course

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it would be because straight away I'm prejudiced because I

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hear this thing monk, So I'm waiting for the monk, right,

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And when I hear the monk laughing, he has delivered.

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The only thing I will say about it, as you say,

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it's a demon there. When I listened to it closely,

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I heard two voices in there. There's one very faintly

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in the background. It sounds female, an old female, right.

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was when you'd said something, someone laughed, so of course

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I immediately thought a monk, you know. But there's a

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co laughter in there. If you like, it's like someone

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else is getting the joke. It's like a female is

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getting the joke and laughing in agreement with it. I'll

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play it here again so we can all hear it

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and people can make their own mind up. But I

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think you have a gem with that EVP.

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Speaker 6: One of the best I've ever got anyway.

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Speaker 1: I mean I've heard a lot. What they all have

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in common I have to say is I don't think

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and you know yourself, the paranormal community in Ireland, I

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don't think there's any as we'd say, chancers or tricksters

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as such. All I don't know. Maybe you do, You've

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been in the game a long time. I just know

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the people I end up dealing with and their salt

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of the earth, down to earth kind of folk, you know.

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So I can't hold up any EVPs I've played on

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my show and say I think this is false. Would

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your opinion of the general in the paranormal community in

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Ireland be roughly SayMore.

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Speaker 6: Well, i'd say nine percent of them would be one

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genuine and stress. I mean, what's the point is trying

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to make a fool of people if what you have

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is not genuine? Because it's really really hard to get

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someone to accept through genuine evidence without trying to make

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false statements. And false stuff, because people are not stupid.

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They will figure you out in the end. You know,

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if you can't be true to yourself, if you can't

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be true to anyone. So, as I say, it's hard

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to get people to accept what appears to be real,

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genuine evidence. No need to fake stuff, no need because

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you either believe or they don't. That's all it's do with,

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you know, So what did you record that EVP on

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that was actually caught on my body camera that I

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was wearing on my on my chest. Two other cameras

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running there and they did not take that up with

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my body camp that caught that EVP. Therese two other

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static cameras there. I think one of those actually caught it,

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one of the static camps, but of all the other

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cameras that were there, none of them did my body

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cam and the static camp. So I must have been

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quite near to the static camp because that one was

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actually behind me and then my body camp on my chest,

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so those two were in close proximity to each other

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where the other rough scattered about the place.

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Speaker 1: You know, there were other EVPs I heard from Paranormal

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Awakenings Ireland that stuck with me. Do you recall laquin Castle.

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Speaker 6: I'm all certainly do, yes, I certainly do. I was

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actually going to suggest that, you know, because I wasn't

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sure what you had heard or not. That would probably

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be my number two at the time, but I've changed

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my mind since that because recently I was in Wicklow,

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but that's another story. We've got some fantastic EVPs there

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as well, so, but lacking is a way up there

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with the best of them, I think.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and just remind me if you can, if you

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can remember it, what was said in.

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Speaker 4: The EVP.

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Speaker 7: Helped me help me so, And just.

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Speaker 1: A brief history of laquine Castle.

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Speaker 6: Well, it was owned by the Kennedy's and apparently these

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Kennedy's were also related to the President John S. Kennedy

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or vice versa. There were the same Kendedies because lacking

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Catholics in Tipperary which is roughly where John F. Kennedy's

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people failed from, so they were close connecting to those Kennedys.

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There's a pook there as well, So we don't actually

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know who's saying help me. Is somebody trying to pool us,

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mock us, or is it somebody genuinely seeking help. We

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don't know that.

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Speaker 1: Remind us again what a pooka is.

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Speaker 6: A pook is a shape shifter. It takes the form

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of an animal. That can be a horse, it can

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be a goat. They can take any shape or formance

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like comes across as a playful being, but it's actually

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very very dangerous and cunning one. It's well known down

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through the years, long before there was ever any such

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thing as paranormal groups. The pooka was spoken about in

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a lot of town with a lot of counties. It's

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kind of a half very half even type thing. It's

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very very hard to put him into a category, but

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he the column shape shifter because he get a pay

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in any font at all.

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Speaker 1: Do you know if it's unique to Ireland, the pooka,

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I believe.

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Speaker 6: So, just like black associated of East European. I don't

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know if anybody who's ever seen a pooka. I just

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heard the talk of pooker, but I've never actually seen one,

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and I don't know anybody who has.

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Speaker 1: Is it like an elemental or difference?

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Speaker 6: It would be different because an elemental is definitely demonic

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and it's associated with that, smells and all of that.

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The pooka is more cunning more cunning, and I've never

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heard any talk about smith often, but they're deadly dangerous.

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I think that the Pooka probably could be associated with

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the Faery Realm more so than Markey reds.

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Speaker 1: Okay, isn't it funny we have a word unique to

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the Irish to describe a cunning person, but a cunning

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of kind of evil nature.

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Speaker 6: But I think every country is going to have something

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of that caliper, every country who who is into the paranormal,

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or except the Good and the Bad or Heaven and Hell,

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or each country is going to have its own unique,

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special one, whichever it's got to be an Okay, sister Booker.

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Speaker 1: Do you know another e VP that comes to my mind?

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Pjra Strongford Castle, right, do you remember that one?

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Speaker 6: A few there? There was a few there.

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Speaker 1: There was a four lettered one.

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Speaker 6: Oh F your kind? Yes, yes, yes, yes, F your kind.

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Speaker 1: Let's listen to it now, yes, yes, okay, So that

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one was a harder one for me to decipher, but

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I did hear it once I listened to it, you know,

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I heard it in there. It was kind of really obscure,

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but it was definitely in there. Once you get the word,

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the rest follows on, it's very quick.

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Speaker 6: That's the problem with that one, very quick, and I

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have lost many the night sleep over that particular one.

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What was he referring to? What was he saying? I

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think he was referring to us as a paranormal investigators.

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If you're kind reherring to us the fact that we're

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Irish or black or white, it's because we were investigating

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and it did later.

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Speaker 1: You wouldn't want to be sensitive on your investigations with

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some of the characters that come across.

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Speaker 6: Well, the thing is you're not aware of it when

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it happens, so only when you play it back, because

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it's usually you're quitting. The catch is that it's very

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rare for a person. Although I do no one who

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no longer would have know. We used to hear them

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all the time. It's very rare for an investigator to

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actually hear with his own ears what's happening. Only later

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checking the stuff that he finds out what he's got.

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Speaker 1: That makes it all the more authentic, because if you

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were screaming and roaring like certain TV programs, you know,

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in situ, when the thing is going on, you know,

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it just comes across as contrived.

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Speaker 6: Actually it does. And you know what, it makes it

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very very hard for genuine investigators out there to be

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given any credit at all for what they do. You know,

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people think we're all in the same boat. It's all

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a lot of and we're making it up.

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Speaker 1: So are you in goldwaight at the moment?

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Speaker 6: I am. I'm at home.

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Speaker 1: What's it like outside there? Do you see that big

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old moon that was out there tonight?

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Speaker 6: A lovely shiny moon out there. Yeah, it could be

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a bit of frost coming because the sky is very

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very clear. I love I love worry, and I love go.

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I love Ireland in general.

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Speaker 1: Describe Goalway to anyone who hasn't been there, because I

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think it is something special.

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Speaker 6: Well, it is. For people who like to go to nighttime,

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there's plenty places to go, There's plenty of entertainment, there's

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plenty of sights to see during the day. For those

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who like to walk about, there's a place to go

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by coach hirate care. If you don't have a care,

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go a few miles out of the roads. There's loads

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to see you. As I say, the border is only

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twenty miles away. You have atrod Castle, you have the

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cliffs of more or not too far from us. You

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have Aluie Cave. There is loads to do, but those

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are on the borders of go and clear and go

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with it south. There's not so much apart from like life. Really,

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that's that's all you have in Gover. But it's a busy,

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busy hub and it's actually getting too busy now. It's

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getting getting.

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Speaker 1: Spoilt, like a lot of the country. I think it's

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just it's not what it used to be. But when

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I used to go across as a child, like in

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nineteen seventy five, you know, and you go there today,

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what's the square in the center of Goalway Air Square?

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Speaker 3: Air Square?

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Speaker 1: That's the one i'd sit there on. I'd sit these

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pictures of me sitting on that cannon, you know, the cannons.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, they were removed. Now they're going up tools city Hall,

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up to the council that we're there.

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Speaker 1: Now they're gone. Well the other one now that I used

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to impose upon was porick'connor's knee. Pictures gone.

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Speaker 6: He's gone to the museum. Yeah, he's gone to the museum.

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Were replicably there because apparently the Paul Park's original statue

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was adlazed one night his head was taken off them.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, he's he was playing. Yeah yeah, also dove,

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which translates to my little black ass.

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Speaker 6: Well, yeah you can, you can say that will do,

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that's right.

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Speaker 1: And he had he had the Do Dean, which was

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the little pipe, wasn't.

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Speaker 6: It the pipe? Yeah? The clear pipes, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Clay pipe, the Do Dean.

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Speaker 7: A lot of.

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Speaker 6: People can still find both of those clear pipes now

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along the beaches to this very day.

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Speaker 1: Do you know something. I grew up in Dublin and

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digging in the garden I'd find bits of those, so

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they were obviously just everyone had them.

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Speaker 6: Everyone has them. Yeah, yeah, sure they were only I

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think about a hapney or a penny used. The cost

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at the time very very but I suppose hate me

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and pennies for her come by back in that time.

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Speaker 1: That's true. Have Do Dean, will travel, but Camerlet. I

474
00:27:01,039 --> 00:27:05,960
think the atmosphere between Mayo and Goldway I find at times, well,

475
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,920
there's two types of atmosphere I feel from Goldway. One

476
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,559
is the very ancient, you know, almost like that kind

477
00:27:12,599 --> 00:27:17,680
of low kind of atmosphere. The mythical that's the word

478
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,240
I'm looking for and the other one I come across

479
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,440
is a terrible sadness.

480
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, you have that too, But there's also a

481
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,200
terrible aminocity between Gold regions and the people all over

482
00:27:30,279 --> 00:27:36,839
football over four. Yeah, they'll hear each other when it

483
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:37,640
comes to the football.

484
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: So what I get off it is maybe a sense

485
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,160
of the famine PJ.

486
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

487
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 6: A lot of people died both you know, angle was

488
00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:48,319
during those years, the famine years, and a lot of

489
00:27:48,319 --> 00:27:50,599
it was unnecessary because the world food here on it

490
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,000
has been shipped out, so it was like the country

491
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:54,720
you know, so it.

492
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: Manufactured famine was it.

493
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,599
Speaker 6: Was actually manufactured men all Pravilion had a lot to.

494
00:28:01,519 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 4: Do with that.

495
00:28:02,759 --> 00:28:03,759
Speaker 1: Pavilion's corn.

496
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the one. Yeah, we're on the same so.

497
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:12,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, so you're talking not so much

498
00:28:12,519 --> 00:28:16,039
a famine as a genocide almost.

499
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 6: That would be nearer the truth. Yeah, that would be

500
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:20,119
near the truth.

501
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:20,319
Speaker 1: Yea.

502
00:28:20,559 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 6: Yeah. There were actually some very rich lendlords who had

503
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,000
tenants living under land on the property and you allow

504
00:28:26,079 --> 00:28:28,920
the tenants to serve outside their gates while while they

505
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,160
were having massive parities for their bodies inside, people actually

506
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:38,240
outside their gifts starving as landlord's it was terrible was

507
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,200
going on y and but you.

508
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,799
Speaker 1: Know, on the flip side and they would be rare.

509
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,160
You had the good landlord as well. I think I

510
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,440
was reading about one in Letterfrack where the people almost

511
00:28:49,599 --> 00:28:53,200
loved them, you know, built a community around them. And

512
00:28:53,319 --> 00:28:56,799
these landlords were so benevolent. I think they were Quakers

513
00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:58,799
by nature, this particular family.

514
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,119
Speaker 6: The world a see what to call it through through

515
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,920
brit better world, you know, but you could count the

516
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,759
good guys, I'd say, on one hand.

517
00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:11,359
Speaker 1: Really we don't mean to be derogatory, but speaking about Brits,

518
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,559
I believe you've visited Lord Hahaw's grave.

519
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 6: Yes I did, yeah, yeah, yeah, And again not a

520
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:17,960
true Britt.

521
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 3: But there you go, Germany calling, Germany calling, Germany calling.

522
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 6: And he was he was just a parasise, That's what

523
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:27,559
he was. A parasise.

524
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,799
Speaker 1: He was. Was he born in America originally.

525
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,519
Speaker 6: He was, And he was reared here and Go and

526
00:29:33,599 --> 00:29:36,759
in Connemara, and he spent some time in England, and

527
00:29:36,839 --> 00:29:40,599
he spent more time in Germany. He's most famous for

528
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,160
the German fighters.

529
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,799
Speaker 1: And you know, people did a lot worse than him

530
00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:46,279
that got away with it, you know.

531
00:29:46,559 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 6: And I certainly did. Only he couldn't keep his mouth

532
00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:51,119
just that's what happened to him in the end, you know,

533
00:29:51,599 --> 00:29:53,000
he talked himself into an oof.

534
00:29:53,839 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: Did them was he shot by the IRA as a

535
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,079
school kid or something, or did he get in trouble with.

536
00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:01,519
Speaker 6: The rat there saying that he was a messenger boy

537
00:30:01,559 --> 00:30:03,359
for the Black and Tans or the British people at

538
00:30:03,359 --> 00:30:05,920
the time, and the rare were definitely after him. Whether

539
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,519
they were caught up with him or not, I don't

540
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,720
know because the some say yeah and some say no.

541
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,480
But my head tells me if they had caught up

542
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,400
with him, that the Brits would never have hung him

543
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,359
because the Brits would never have gotten he would have

544
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,359
been dealt with us long before he ever went to England,

545
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,759
you know. But he was only a school buy back then.

546
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,400
And the story goes he was carrying messages to and

547
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,480
fro to the British police and the Black and Tans

548
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,519
at the time. Wow, so he had to leave Ireland

549
00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:35,200
in a hurry, you have to leave.

550
00:30:35,519 --> 00:30:38,119
Speaker 1: Then he became a three sixty and and became a Nazi.

551
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:39,920
Then he did a three that's.

552
00:30:39,839 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 6: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, and we left started thing and

553
00:30:42,519 --> 00:30:45,160
now he got caught up with Mosley and his crowd,

554
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,680
and he got his face badly caught up there at

555
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:48,759
a riot one.

556
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,839
Speaker 1: Time, he got a slashow cut, I think to the face.

557
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,119
Speaker 6: Well, he got cut from his lip to eas ear,

558
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,400
I believe, because I believe was very bad. And then

559
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,319
when he was eventually tried and hung in England, that

560
00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:05,680
scar the boast is cracked open when he dropped. Yeah, anyway,

561
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,240
I had no time for the man, and I got

562
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,079
that quite there from his grave. I met it quite

563
00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:13,279
clear to make no time from and did he respond

564
00:31:13,799 --> 00:31:16,799
not really as such, But all our equipment started playing

565
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,119
up on us. We couldn't explain it. So I'm going

566
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,880
to go back another time, maybe sometime on a nice

567
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,799
summer night or something like that, and do because it

568
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,759
was a bit wintery the night I went up there,

569
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:27,880
and nothing went to card and the plan for us

570
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,039
that night. But he didn't tell me to shut up

571
00:31:30,119 --> 00:31:35,160
or get out mess offer ana, you know, So I

572
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,359
will try again. I'll try again. I always like to

573
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,799
give everything a fair chance, you know, even if I'm

574
00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:46,000
investigating a place. Just because I don't get lucky once doesn't.

575
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 7: Put me off.

576
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,799
Speaker 6: I'll go back again. Because it's a bit like fishion.

577
00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 7: You know.

578
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 6: Sometimes they're just not fighting, it doesn't happen, and other

579
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,920
times you're a lucky man, you know.

580
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:59,079
Speaker 1: Okay, well we'll leave Lord in his in his grave.

581
00:31:59,599 --> 00:32:03,920
And I want to ask you about these investigations. Do

582
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,920
you ever feel drawn to any particular location?

583
00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 6: Oh, certainly. It happens to me all the time. Because

584
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,400
I I don't know, I feel drawn. I'm like a

585
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,599
magnet when I go to a location. I know before

586
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,599
I even get out of my car that there's something

587
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,400
going to go on here tonight or does not. I

588
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,640
just know what I feel it. I get this tinging

589
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,960
all over my body that the hears on my arms

590
00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:30,640
stand up and you can actually hears like a static electricity.

591
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,000
And I know that there's stuff going on here. Now

592
00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:35,279
whether I catch it or not is a different matter.

593
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,039
But I know that there's stuff going on straight away.

594
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:39,519
Speaker 1: So you got a vibe.

595
00:32:40,039 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 6: I must certainly do.

596
00:32:41,119 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, I must certainly do.

597
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 6: And I have much hair left. Now that's a bit

598
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,279
I have. It stands up and as I say, my

599
00:32:48,359 --> 00:32:51,559
ears start making noises as well. I get bushing in

600
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,480
my ears and I get electricity. Tell me arms, I

601
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,319
can feel it. It's like static electricity.

602
00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: So you're like a human divining.

603
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,359
Speaker 6: Well, it wouldn't go as far as that, but I

604
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,599
certainly feel stuff. I certainly feel it, and I can't

605
00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:09,200
explain it.

606
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: So PJ could be driving along on the road and

607
00:33:12,519 --> 00:33:16,640
nothing's happening. Yeah, but next minute, ingo.

608
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 7: That's it.

609
00:33:17,359 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 6: And that can happen. When I'm driven by any place

610
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,319
or approaching a place, that can happen.

611
00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: And even if the place isn't notorious or whatever, you

612
00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:27,440
will find something in that.

613
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,319
Speaker 6: Correct, right, that's correct?

614
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:29,559
Speaker 4: Yeah?

615
00:33:29,599 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 6: Yeah. Or I walk into a person's house, I can

616
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,319
walk into a public place and if it happens, it happens.

617
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,079
I actually feel the singing in my body and I know,

618
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,160
I know it's not of this world.

619
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,079
Speaker 1: So is it like you're picking up a frequency, PJ.

620
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,519
Speaker 6: That's exactly what it would be. Is a frequency, yes,

621
00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:50,039
or or an energy one or the other.

622
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

623
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 6: Yeah. Mediums would be able to describe that better. Now.

624
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,079
I don't know that the gifts or the course beyond.

625
00:33:58,160 --> 00:33:59,680
Sometimes it's not very pleasant, you know.

626
00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: And that's so true because I had a lady on

627
00:34:03,799 --> 00:34:07,319
the show and she's a medium, Rhonda Hale, and I

628
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,239
said the same thing to Rhonda. I said, you know,

629
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,480
you could walk by somebody and you get a vision

630
00:34:13,519 --> 00:34:18,079
of them engaged in something not particularly you know, moral

631
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:22,519
or attractive or downright evil, you know, and so it's

632
00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:26,000
a curse in that respect, you know you Yeah.

633
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just know I'm very sensitive to well, I know,

634
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,039
I have no scientific explanation for it. I'm not even

635
00:34:34,039 --> 00:34:36,639
going to attempt to explain it because I couldn't well try.

636
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,199
Speaker 1: And attempt to explain this to me, because I've had

637
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:44,679
plenty of investigators since I started Scary Era, and yet

638
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,239
you're the only one that seems to have picked up

639
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:56,920
on the and at openly acknowledged the demonic aspect. Is

640
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,039
that me getting it wrong or you you know, you

641
00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:02,199
you were open to it. Where there's a lot of

642
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,679
they skirt around for the more traditionally diddly didled somebody

643
00:35:06,679 --> 00:35:09,360
coming out, you know. And yet when you when you

644
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,880
spoke about, say the Monk's fishing house, that come yeah, yeah,

645
00:35:14,199 --> 00:35:17,280
you know you've got something. You've got a demon there.

646
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, but you see that demon may or may not

647
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,559
be related to the Abbey of Khan. That demon is

648
00:35:26,559 --> 00:35:30,119
probably there long before it was ever an abbey there. Plus,

649
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,199
that particular site exactly where we were above the monk's

650
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,360
fishing hole, was actually a monk murdered there on that

651
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,000
spot by another monk. We don't know why, but there

652
00:35:41,039 --> 00:35:43,760
was some American or something and one monk till the

653
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,440
other and he actually pushed these remains down through that

654
00:35:46,519 --> 00:35:50,239
hole and he floated away way off down the river.

655
00:35:50,559 --> 00:35:53,400
That was the indom So, you know, just because it

656
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,400
was a holy place doesn't mean that they won't be

657
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:56,239
demons there.

658
00:35:56,199 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: When you say a holy place, So that would be

659
00:35:58,719 --> 00:35:59,960
in the Christian sense.

660
00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:01,639
Speaker 6: In the Christian sense religious sense.

661
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I always default to Christianity, you have to say,

662
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,599
even though i'm you know, I'm one of these kind

663
00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:10,199
of almost sitting on the fence kind. I suppose it's

664
00:36:10,199 --> 00:36:13,679
because we're how we're brought up, you know, just exactly.

665
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,599
Speaker 6: Yeah, So you didn't have to be whatever religious you are,

666
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,039
of course, that's that's that's indoctrinator in by your parents

667
00:36:20,159 --> 00:36:23,440
or your school or whatever clergy, whatever fate you happen

668
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:24,079
to belong to.

669
00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:24,679
Speaker 7: It.

670
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 6: You know, it's instill then you you don't ask for

671
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,960
Before we ever had Christians here, we had Pagans, we

672
00:36:31,039 --> 00:36:33,480
had all kinds of things going on here until Saint

673
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,519
Patrick came along and he christianized the country.

674
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: Mh.

675
00:36:37,039 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 6: He killed a lot of Pagans, or he was the

676
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,639
cause of Pagans being killed. Were still Christianity and you know,

677
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,840
people don't like to hear that, but this is what happened.

678
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,480
And the Druids. We had the Drows before we ever

679
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,159
had Christmas. You know, a lot of this demonic stuff

680
00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:53,840
could go back that fear and even further. You know,

681
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,280
we're only new kids on the block. Hair of.

682
00:36:58,039 --> 00:37:02,079
Speaker 1: The Druids fascinate me. There were kind of priestly in exactly.

683
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 6: Exactly exactly, yeah, yeah, and they were here long before

684
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,639
we ever heard of Sir Patrick or anybody. Sim Patrick

685
00:37:09,679 --> 00:37:12,760
did away with them in the end, you know, yeah,

686
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,800
I reckon that. When they say the Sam Patrick thro

687
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,760
all the snakes out of Ireland, it's referring to the

688
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,159
rules and the Pagans. But there was never a snake

689
00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:24,000
in Ireland. But we haven't the Dolls, you know, and

690
00:37:24,039 --> 00:37:26,239
they'll always be here apart from three We'll always have

691
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:26,960
those guys.

692
00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:29,679
Speaker 1: The Doll is our parliament for those of you outside

693
00:37:29,679 --> 00:37:32,039
the country. By the way, folks, well we won't go there.

694
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:33,920
I want to stay on. We'll stay on the paranormal,

695
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,000
stay in the parent Yeah.

696
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 6: We will get lost. We could get lost in the conversation.

697
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 1: We could quick we could get lost. We were talking

698
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,280
about Druids and Christians. Now let's talk about people who

699
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,320
believe in the paranormal and who don't, the skeptics. Did

700
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:47,440
you start out a skeptic?

701
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,119
Speaker 6: I most certainly do.

702
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: Do you know what, PJ. I get this buzzword all

703
00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:55,559
the time called parry unity, and indeed we did a

704
00:37:55,559 --> 00:37:57,840
little piece on it there recently. Have you any views

705
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,800
on on pari unit were laughing.

706
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I have never experienced parai unity in Ireland

707
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,239
myself for personal apart from with one other group. Men

708
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,599
is no longer with this. Now there's a good friend

709
00:38:11,639 --> 00:38:15,000
of mine, poor pg Doogle, Yes, and maybe one or

710
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,719
two others. The rest of them this what your page,

711
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,440
to follow your page, to see what you're doing. But

712
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,159
they'll never give you a tombs up or say hi, hey,

713
00:38:24,199 --> 00:38:25,960
that was very good. You don't get any of that

714
00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:30,360
to get no encourgions whatsoever. So for me, parry unity

715
00:38:30,559 --> 00:38:32,599
is just a word that somebody made up.

716
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: By the way, PJ. For those who don't know what

717
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,039
what is parent You know, in Layman's terms, what's parent

718
00:38:38,199 --> 00:38:40,199
parent unity? Because I'm still trying to get me head

719
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:40,639
around it.

720
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:45,199
Speaker 6: Well, it should be in Lemas terms like a union

721
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,199
or workers union, where we're all together and all at

722
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:52,000
the same looking for the same goal, to get on,

723
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,159
to get evidence and help each other anyway we can.

724
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,280
But that doesn't happen. That's a lovely idea, but unfortunately

725
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,679
it doesn't happen. If anything, a lot of the groups

726
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,920
they're pulling here out of each other, they actually get

727
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,480
jealous of people's work. They don't praise their work, they

728
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,400
don't help them. And there's only really a few, only

729
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,320
a few, And there's a not a lot of groups

730
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,239
in this country, but there's only a few who will

731
00:39:17,519 --> 00:39:19,679
lend a hand and try and help you and give

732
00:39:19,679 --> 00:39:22,920
you a bit of praise. Yeah, so your work is

733
00:39:23,039 --> 00:39:23,440
very good.

734
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,119
Speaker 1: I very late to the paranormal party. As you know

735
00:39:27,159 --> 00:39:29,840
we've spoken before, and you know, this whole thing was

736
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,719
driven by an experience I had as a child grown

737
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,519
up in the military barracks. And what I'd say though,

738
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,800
is I've come to it late in the day and

739
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,599
I hear parenty unity, and I think it's give everyone

740
00:39:42,639 --> 00:39:45,320
a go, this is what it's about. It's all love

741
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,360
and brown rice. But I think it's almost like a

742
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,559
kind of without getting saying political whatever. But you often

743
00:39:50,559 --> 00:39:54,239
hear diversity is our strength, you know. And I think

744
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:59,360
when you diversify the paranormal and bring everybody and his

745
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,320
mother into somewhat very genuine levels of commitment to the

746
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:08,079
subject and others with very pedestrian right, so you're trying

747
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:11,239
to accommodate everybody because it's all come by ah, And

748
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,760
what happens is you end up going for the lowest

749
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,079
standard of understanding of the entire paranormal. Whereas I, you know,

750
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,239
I talk to people like you or people like Cork

751
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:26,239
Supernatural Society or Puka Vogue, and they're very professional setups.

752
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,159
They're very methodical as to how they go about their investigations.

753
00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:33,400
They come from a really good place as well. They're

754
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,280
not looking for, you know, ghosts jumping out at them

755
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,119
and screaming and roaring and getting hysterical about things. So

756
00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:41,320
it's a good weekend away kind of thing. And I

757
00:40:41,519 --> 00:40:44,039
you know, from what I'm my understanding of parody unity

758
00:40:44,199 --> 00:40:47,760
is is it's not particularly something Now I think it's

759
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:53,000
like you risk diluting a really good investigation by trying

760
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,599
to accommodate everybody. And as you know, certain people have

761
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,599
levels of commitment and others it's a hobby.

762
00:41:00,159 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 6: Well that is so, but also to it's they go

763
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,159
out more to to mock you rather than help what

764
00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:09,559
you're doing. And that's fine too if you know that

765
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:11,719
from the ark, because we can just say, Okay, you're

766
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,320
a skeptic, that's what I would call, you're a skeptic.

767
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,039
Be a skeptic, but don't get in the way of

768
00:41:17,039 --> 00:41:17,920
what we're trying to do.

769
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: It's a good way of putting it. Getting in the way,

770
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,400
that's what I was trying to say that the flowery

771
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,480
statement I just made it. I mean, people get in

772
00:41:24,519 --> 00:41:26,239
the way, and you don't want to be rude to

773
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:27,679
people and tell them where to go and ahead to

774
00:41:27,679 --> 00:41:29,960
get there, but they get in the way. It's very

775
00:41:30,159 --> 00:41:32,320
I know you might have even realized what you just said. Well,

776
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,239
I think, to me, Parry Unity, you're getting in the

777
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,199
way of serious investigators.

778
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,639
Speaker 6: You know that you may or may not get something

779
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,239
or have something for your day or your night, whatever

780
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:43,960
the case may be. But at the end of it all,

781
00:41:44,199 --> 00:41:46,760
you're genuine about what you're doing, and you're only hoping

782
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,079
you get something, and you don't always get it, you know,

783
00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:52,159
of course, now and again, now and again as we

784
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,719
can easily prove we do have some measure of success.

785
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: Yes, can I double back on something really quickly? And

786
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,920
it's one or two names on the row at you now,

787
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,599
I may pronounce this wrong? Is it Rossly Monastery?

788
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 6: Rosters ross Eily.

789
00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:09,119
Speaker 1: Ross Eirely Monastery.

790
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 6: Yeah. Also a little pip of that in the John

791
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,800
Wayne movie you spoke about earlier on a right you

792
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,320
see them, you see them riding past there under little

793
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,480
Johnson cart. But what's his name? Very posted?

794
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: Listen, you were there one night, if I remember Philip

795
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,199
telling me, and all hell broke loose?

796
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, yes, describe what happens. Well, let's have to

797
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,119
start for us. We're there myself too, and one or

798
00:42:31,159 --> 00:42:32,920
two other people who were never with it before it.

799
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,639
You only come out if you like for the crack.

800
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,440
See what we get up to and how we go

801
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,760
about it. And we had a camera that we use

802
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,039
from time to time SLS camera. Are you familiar with

803
00:42:43,079 --> 00:42:46,760
the SLS camera? Yeah, it's a camera that if it

804
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,000
catches anything, it shows us in the form of a

805
00:42:49,039 --> 00:42:53,000
stick man. All right, I know, yeah, it doesn't show

806
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,360
a complete body, just a stick man or a stick person.

807
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,400
But it works on the basis of if fires out

808
00:42:59,519 --> 00:43:01,920
thousands of thousands of little lights that are visible to

809
00:43:02,039 --> 00:43:05,519
the eye, and if it if it sees something that

810
00:43:05,559 --> 00:43:07,800
the pattern of lights are broken up and it comes

811
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,400
back in this stickman figure. Let it be a cat,

812
00:43:10,559 --> 00:43:13,920
a dog, or a person, but it's only a stickman figure.

813
00:43:14,119 --> 00:43:16,880
But this one night, we were there with these guys

814
00:43:17,039 --> 00:43:19,840
who had never been out in an event was before

815
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,719
or any other team comes to that. And one of

816
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,719
them was actually an Asian guy. I don't know the

817
00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:27,920
Indian or Pakistani, butody was out that that coaster anywhere.

818
00:43:28,159 --> 00:43:30,599
And another the other guy was a Goa region And

819
00:43:30,639 --> 00:43:33,039
as I said, they've never seen that Nicklas before. But

820
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,719
I put on the SLS and I'm spinning it around

821
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,000
nice and slowly, and I get this hit. And Phillis

822
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,159
stood behind me with his camera trying to keep the

823
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,679
SLS camera in shot. So whatever comes up on the

824
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,840
SLS screen he can get on his camera. You get

825
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,719
the picture, and just for once we actually get a

826
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,360
real figure on the screen of the SLS camera, which

827
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,119
was never ever designed to do it, was designed to

828
00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:02,239
show you stuff state man figure. And I have to say,

829
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,679
for me, it was the first. And I've had people

830
00:44:04,679 --> 00:44:07,239
from America and all over the globe asked me about it.

831
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,119
They've never seen it before. Later, it's never happened before

832
00:44:10,519 --> 00:44:12,639
or since, because I've gone back on a couple of

833
00:44:12,679 --> 00:44:15,360
occasions trying to repeat it and I can't, just can't

834
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:15,719
do it.

835
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 1: And did one of the party leg it out of

836
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:18,719
the place.

837
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, no, I don't know where. I

838
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:26,159
don't know where that came from. No, Philip would be

839
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:30,079
talking about another place where, back in our early days,

840
00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:32,559
we're down in the basement of a place called Tyrone

841
00:44:32,599 --> 00:44:35,039
House and there was stones, Toronto Us and I had

842
00:44:35,039 --> 00:44:38,239
brought a cameraman, an expert cameraman the common film what

843
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,360
we're doing, Yes, And he'd been output on a couple

844
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,800
of occasions, but were quite nights and nothing happened. But

845
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,079
this one particular night, and I have to say before

846
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:49,239
I start, it was his last night. He never came back.

847
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,159
We were pelted with stones, yeah, yeah, pelted with stones.

848
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,480
And eventually it stopped and after about twenty minutes or so,

849
00:44:56,519 --> 00:44:58,719
we're getting ready to go home, and we round off

850
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,159
the night usually with a couple of prayers before we leave,

851
00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:03,559
because we don't want to bringing anything back with us.

852
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,599
So whatever is there, we'd like it to stay there

853
00:45:06,639 --> 00:45:09,159
and let us go home nice and peacefully on our own.

854
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,559
That's the idea, saying a couple of players. But before

855
00:45:11,559 --> 00:45:14,039
we said the prayer, film got into he said that

856
00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:18,280
he'd like to repeat performance of this stone throwing episode.

857
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,159
And he only said, if you just do one more

858
00:45:21,159 --> 00:45:23,840
time for us, please just once more, And all of

859
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,559
a sudden bang, next thing, the poor cameraman started a

860
00:45:27,639 --> 00:45:30,480
road and screaming and crying, and he says, no, no, no, no,

861
00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:32,920
I've not I've out out out. He did get out,

862
00:45:33,159 --> 00:45:34,360
and he never came back to us.

863
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,079
Speaker 1: Ever, he's probably still run.

864
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 6: No. I've read him a few times since it's another

865
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,599
work from me, but only only putting clips together for

866
00:45:42,679 --> 00:45:44,559
me the rest film myself. He wouldn't, he wouldn't come

867
00:45:44,599 --> 00:45:45,280
with it ever again.

868
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: No, yeah, and tell me a palace castle.

869
00:45:49,199 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 6: Yeah. I was only there now once and that's not

870
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,599
so long ago. That was just over a year ago.

871
00:45:54,679 --> 00:45:57,920
It's just about it was a daytime visit, but I

872
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,840
am going back there on a nighttime visit with a

873
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,719
crew when it can get a crew together, which is

874
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,480
not very hard or easy to do. No very hard

875
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,519
to get a people who are serious about coming out

876
00:46:07,519 --> 00:46:10,159
with you. They're all expecting to get a fright and

877
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,159
expecting what to see on the TV when they watch

878
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,400
these paranormal shows. It's not like that. It can be

879
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,199
very boring. It can be very long, wet, cold night

880
00:46:20,559 --> 00:46:24,599
and nothing to show. But then there's other times it's

881
00:46:24,679 --> 00:46:26,960
just all comes together you and you know there's no

882
00:46:27,079 --> 00:46:28,840
into but there's no stopping at You just don't know.

883
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:33,159
Speaker 1: When I have said this numerous times to people, if

884
00:46:33,199 --> 00:46:38,760
you go within those environs, whether something screams that your

885
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,760
manifests jumps out of you or not, the fact is

886
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:48,320
you're in the middle of history. You are and you know, Like,

887
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,440
for instance, I was out in a place called It's

888
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,920
not far from where I am now, but it's Monkstown

889
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:57,719
Castle one night, right just down there around between black

890
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,719
Rock and dun Larry. I saw it. I saw nothing.

891
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,760
I was just there with a mate. But what I

892
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:07,559
did was I felt the history all around me. It's

893
00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:10,280
the same. There's a little base within walking distance right here.

894
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:16,199
It's called Marian Graveyard, and there was wrecks of ships

895
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,440
that you know, hundreds of sailors were drowned in around

896
00:47:19,519 --> 00:47:22,960
the early century. I think something around that world eighty.

897
00:47:23,079 --> 00:47:25,360
No one is shit thereabout. You know, there were just

898
00:47:25,559 --> 00:47:28,400
and this is a small little plot of land. There

899
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,000
is a tombstone to those sailors, but there's you know

900
00:47:31,159 --> 00:47:33,079
the thing. I think it could be close to a

901
00:47:33,119 --> 00:47:36,920
thousand years old. Some of those graveyards are just you know, ancient,

902
00:47:37,519 --> 00:47:40,199
and you don't have to see a ghost. You don't

903
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,800
have to see experience a poulter geist or anything. It's

904
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,719
just take the time to be and as you whatever

905
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,599
antennae you had you refer to earlier, that picks up.

906
00:47:50,199 --> 00:47:53,920
You know, I just pick up on the history. I said,

907
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,480
if nothing happens to me, it doesn't matter something happened.

908
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,000
You know, if I had a camera that could just

909
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,239
go back in time and see the people have it

910
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,719
in front of these tombstones and that are lying under them,

911
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:04,239
it's there.

912
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 6: It's like we will believe it or not. That is paranormal.

913
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:12,239
That's a paranormal feeling. You're getting you're you're feeling an

914
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,039
energy from the area that you're in. That is an

915
00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:17,400
energy that that area is giving off, whatever it may be.

916
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:22,079
You don't have to see a Dracula or Frankenstein, you know,

917
00:48:22,119 --> 00:48:23,880
you don't have to have any of that. Once you're

918
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,960
feeling it that you know there's an energy there. Somebody

919
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,000
like me or somebody else could be there and have

920
00:48:29,039 --> 00:48:31,639
a completely different experience, but we would be looking for

921
00:48:31,679 --> 00:48:34,840
a different experience. When you're quite you're quite happy feeling

922
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,039
that good energy totally.

923
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,519
Speaker 1: But when you say experience as well, so just very quickly,

924
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,239
I mean, so you set out an investigation. What's the

925
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,159
typical procedure that you have.

926
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,760
Speaker 6: Well, I've grown myself first before we go anywhere. Anybody

927
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,159
who's who knows anything at all about paranormal work will

928
00:48:51,159 --> 00:48:54,960
know that, or anybody that is into mediumship. You ground

929
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:59,519
yourself first of all, it's like showing your antennae, okay,

930
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,840
And second of all, it's a good safety measure. It

931
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,039
helps stop you from bringing anything bad with you because

932
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:11,199
sometimes if you come across a very bad demon or spirit,

933
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,280
you can get what's called an attachment, where this spirit

934
00:49:15,559 --> 00:49:18,360
can actually attach itself to you and you're stuck with it,

935
00:49:18,559 --> 00:49:20,920
and there's only one way you're going to get shot

936
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,480
at that, and that is you have to go and

937
00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:25,519
see a medium who knows how to deal with these things,

938
00:49:25,559 --> 00:49:29,639
and they can have that attachment removed. Now, failing that,

939
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:31,920
if you don't realize you have an attachment, it can

940
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,559
cause all kinds of hazards or havoc to you. It

941
00:49:34,599 --> 00:49:37,360
can make you sick, they can make it depressed. They

942
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,679
can make you do things to people that you would

943
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,280
normally do, bad things, evil things, do you know, and

944
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,320
eventually it can actually kill you.

945
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: Did Philip ever share with you that's at one point,

946
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,280
I'm not sure where it was. He got a awful

947
00:49:50,599 --> 00:49:54,440
he was overcome by a real evil feeling.

948
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:56,679
Speaker 6: Yes he did, and that was the entire own house.

949
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,000
I was there when it happened. I actually have a

950
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:01,480
little video clip that somewhere I could take it out.

951
00:50:01,639 --> 00:50:03,639
Speaker 1: When he described it to me, he said I was

952
00:50:03,679 --> 00:50:05,679
looking at someone or something and he said, I felt

953
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,599
I wanted to kill them, or I was angry. He

954
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,159
was angry. It's coming back to me now. I think

955
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:17,039
I think he felt an animosity towards somebody because he's

956
00:50:18,119 --> 00:50:20,239
or really was it in the group because he felt

957
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,719
he may have felt that they had inflicted pain on

958
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,519
somebody else years ago or something like this. It was

959
00:50:27,559 --> 00:50:30,360
like he picked up on somebody that was in the environ.

960
00:50:30,599 --> 00:50:32,280
Now I know it might have been directed towards a

961
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,199
member of the group, but it was when he was

962
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,159
describing it to me, it was like he picked up

963
00:50:36,199 --> 00:50:39,719
on somebody that had been there and was a perpetrator

964
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,039
of really nasty things. I think it was to young women,

965
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,079
and he wanted to he basically wanted to kill them.

966
00:50:45,519 --> 00:50:47,239
It passed, and feeling passed.

967
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

968
00:50:47,599 --> 00:50:51,199
Speaker 6: Yeah, what happened was Phil became possessed by a spirit

969
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,360
that was there, a bad spirit, and he focused his

970
00:50:54,519 --> 00:50:56,719
attention on one of the guys who was in the group.

971
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,079
But he wasn't seeing the guy as that guy was.

972
00:50:59,159 --> 00:51:03,000
He was seen that guy as somebody from the past. Yes,

973
00:51:03,639 --> 00:51:07,079
that's so, that's what was happening, and it wasn't nice.

974
00:51:07,199 --> 00:51:09,119
And I say, I have a little clip, but somewhere

975
00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:11,480
I might dig it out sometimes syndromes here personally, you

976
00:51:11,519 --> 00:51:14,519
can actually see the change coming over to Yeah, he

977
00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:19,719
said features everything changed. Everything changed, but it was very brief,

978
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,840
was only for a minute or so, but it happened

979
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:22,480
that we caught it.

980
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,599
Speaker 1: Can I just change tact and speak to your man

981
00:51:25,639 --> 00:51:27,920
to man bad stuff? Because I know you've lost a

982
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,320
lot of people in your life, and you know, in

983
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,679
a relatively short space of time you have you've had

984
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:36,719
really poor look and indeed I've lost people as well.

985
00:51:37,039 --> 00:51:40,039
I'll just say, for what it's worth, I think people

986
00:51:40,119 --> 00:51:43,079
stay with you. The memory of those people stay with you,

987
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:48,960
the energy, the shared laughter and times. So I know

988
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,679
you might be feeling really you know, people say time heals.

989
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,440
I'm not sure about that. I think it gets easier.

990
00:51:55,599 --> 00:51:59,039
Speaker 6: Just so you just learned to tolerate. It doesn't change anything.

991
00:51:59,159 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 1: You learn to tolerate raised. So therefore it brings us

992
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,480
to the subject of we need to talk about PJ Doug.

993
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,559
Now if I can just explain a couple of episodes

994
00:52:08,599 --> 00:52:10,679
back and in fact, in late August I spoke with

995
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,239
PJ and was the first time, and there's all the

996
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:18,400
pjs and paranormalas yourself. There's PJ down and Pokevogue, and

997
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,079
then there was the late the late PJ Doug and

998
00:52:21,079 --> 00:52:24,800
our commiserations of course, and and our heartfelt sympathies go

999
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,960
to is it Anne? I think and his wife and

1000
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,639
his children who were still were still relatively young people.

1001
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:36,280
And I spoke to this guy and PJ. I kept

1002
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,920
thinking to myself, just like I'm talking to you, and

1003
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,679
I would ex extend the invitation actually now that we've

1004
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,000
had a bit of time together. But I was speaking

1005
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:49,199
to PJ down in Carlo and I kept thinking, I'd

1006
00:52:49,199 --> 00:52:51,400
love to go for, as we say, here a pint.

1007
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,679
I'd love to go for a drink with this guy,

1008
00:52:54,559 --> 00:52:57,199
because I don't know. I'll tell you what will you

1009
00:52:57,199 --> 00:53:00,800
give in your own words? How did you mean PJ do?

1010
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,960
And maybe give a little bit of a tribute to him,

1011
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,519
because I hate this show to PJ in its entirety.

1012
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 6: Well Mark, we could make an entire show talking about

1013
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,440
PG just on his own. It would take more than

1014
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,360
a night, but I'll try and get it as much

1015
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:18,840
as I can into a minute or two.

1016
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: For you please.

1017
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,159
Speaker 6: My first time ever having anything to do with PJ

1018
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:28,840
was back in twenty nineteen March out twenty nineteen. We

1019
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,840
were at the Healthfier Club in Dublin Montpellier Hill, at

1020
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:33,880
the top of Montpellier Hill. You'll know what, I'm.

1021
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 1: Sure I've been there, Yeah, right, Well.

1022
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:41,199
Speaker 6: We traveled down there in the car, myself and three

1023
00:53:41,199 --> 00:53:45,679
other guys. We spent the whole shigger night in this

1024
00:53:46,199 --> 00:53:49,159
healthfire club, and we weren't one bit impressed of what

1025
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,599
we got. We were disappointed. And we met a video

1026
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,960
saying so publicly, just outside of the club itself, live

1027
00:53:57,039 --> 00:54:00,119
on Facebook. Then we packed up for a year, and

1028
00:54:00,159 --> 00:54:02,639
we started walking down that love walk down that hill

1029
00:54:02,639 --> 00:54:04,360
in the pitch black and night, down to the car.

1030
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:06,920
And we got into the car anyway after a while,

1031
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,039
and we opened up the phone and next thing we

1032
00:54:09,079 --> 00:54:15,880
see this comment from pg doo. Go lads, you wanted No,

1033
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:20,760
not in exact words, but these are approximately as close

1034
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,199
to the truths I can get. You're too full of yourselves.

1035
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,320
You need to pay more attention to us going on

1036
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,880
around you, and don't be worrying about people out on

1037
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:34,880
Facebook blend or worse of that effect. So one guy

1038
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,280
says to the other, the care who is this seller?

1039
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,760
Who's he think he is talking like that to us

1040
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,920
of black And I said, lead, you know, I think

1041
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,400
he has a point. I think we were more worried

1042
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,880
about having a good show for the people on Facebook,

1043
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,360
and we didn't pay enough attention to what was going

1044
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:56,440
on around us. So with that we decided that we

1045
00:54:56,559 --> 00:54:59,599
were head for goal, but unfortunately we couldn't because our

1046
00:54:59,679 --> 00:55:02,199
care inside the car park and the barrier had closed.

1047
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:03,760
Speaker 1: Oh I know what, I know the place.

1048
00:55:05,199 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 6: Yes, we were stuck there. We were stuck there for

1049
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,159
the night. Well on a half seven in the morning

1050
00:55:10,159 --> 00:55:12,320
when I rode was automatically. But in the meantime we

1051
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,639
looked at a few other of his comments and I

1052
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,280
asked the lad not to be rude and just just

1053
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,000
give the thumbs up and say thanks and we'll get

1054
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,239
back from later on. When I got back to go Away,

1055
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,159
I had a good sleep for themselves because I've been

1056
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,079
up all night night before and they'd driven to Dublin

1057
00:55:26,119 --> 00:55:31,000
and back from Dublin and I was absolutely goosed. Oh

1058
00:55:31,199 --> 00:55:34,400
I uh stepped looking at some of the footage, and

1059
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,440
I couldn't believe what I had missed because I was

1060
00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:41,280
too interested in putting on a good performance for the

1061
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,280
people at the Facebook lend who might be what I

1062
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,559
missed All was going on around me? And again it

1063
00:55:47,639 --> 00:55:50,159
was my body camp this body can so I love

1064
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,519
so much my body can. That caused this demonic nise

1065
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:58,199
interference on my camera which I'll send you recorded at

1066
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:02,480
Mark and you can hear. It's never happened before, it's

1067
00:56:02,519 --> 00:56:06,239
never happened since. And there was no displination for only

1068
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,079
was pure the money. And I got back to PG

1069
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:10,760
and I played it for me and he says, now,

1070
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,119
let's he says, now, do you believe me? Don't mind

1071
00:56:13,159 --> 00:56:16,519
Facebook anymore, keep your mind on the job. There's plenty

1072
00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:18,440
of time for praising yourselves on the job is done,

1073
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,559
and so on and so forth. And we kind of

1074
00:56:20,599 --> 00:56:21,599
became parly that way.

1075
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:22,519
Speaker 7: Now.

1076
00:56:22,559 --> 00:56:25,760
Speaker 6: That was March of twenty nineteen. In October of the

1077
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:29,039
same year, twenty nineteen, KG inviters me and my former

1078
00:56:29,079 --> 00:56:31,679
group to go down to Ducklets Grove in Carolo, where

1079
00:56:31,679 --> 00:56:34,440
he's from himself, and we traveled there and that was

1080
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,880
the first time that I met the man in person.

1081
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,960
We spent hours there at Tuckets Grove, had a great

1082
00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:44,000
night there, very successful nights evidence wise, my selfn PGA.

1083
00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:46,840
Then we're best of friends. We were talking to each other,

1084
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:52,039
did every single day, every single evening for sometimes hours.

1085
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,840
We just took to each other like duck to the water.

1086
00:56:55,639 --> 00:56:58,920
I met him again then in Fingers and Dublin. We

1087
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,840
went to property there that was having Politugalese issues. I

1088
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,119
invited PGA to come up me with my new group

1089
00:57:05,679 --> 00:57:09,599
and we had a fantastic night there. The evidence was

1090
00:57:09,679 --> 00:57:13,119
just something unreal. Then, more recently, not long before he died,

1091
00:57:13,159 --> 00:57:15,880
we went two week blood jail, and you were talking

1092
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:19,679
about EVPs earlier on. We got some classic EVPs there,

1093
00:57:20,159 --> 00:57:24,480
absolutely classic, the first time ever recorded by any paranormal team.

1094
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:28,599
South and PJA. We're lucky enough to get them that night.

1095
00:57:29,119 --> 00:57:32,760
And within a few short weeks of that, the poor

1096
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,719
man was there and we admit plans to cover half

1097
00:57:35,719 --> 00:57:37,599
of her and we had so many places to go

1098
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:40,519
see and do stuffing, but it wasn't to be. He

1099
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,800
took sick at work one day and within air nine days.

1100
00:57:43,719 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 3: He got dead.

1101
00:57:46,599 --> 00:57:47,519
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe.

1102
00:57:47,519 --> 00:57:49,599
Speaker 6: A lovely man, a lovely, many, lovely man.

1103
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: It was Anthony from ghost Era let me know, and

1104
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,159
he said that I was talking to and I you know,

1105
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,760
because I really meant it, PJ, I meant it. I

1106
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:05,000
want to meet him.

1107
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 6: A lovely guy, A lovely guy, because you know.

1108
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: There was a modesty about him, wasn't there? There was

1109
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,800
no Obviously you picked up on that with those very

1110
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:16,719
first messages. He was sound, and he was modest, and

1111
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:20,119
he wasn't given to the you know, the histrionic. He

1112
00:58:20,199 --> 00:58:23,639
wasn't given to the big sensational thing at all. In fact,

1113
00:58:23,679 --> 00:58:26,519
that it all stemmed from. You might remember his original story.

1114
00:58:26,719 --> 00:58:28,719
As a young married man, he was in a house

1115
00:58:28,719 --> 00:58:31,840
and it was a relatively modern estate and he ended

1116
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:33,039
up running out of the place.

1117
00:58:33,599 --> 00:58:37,599
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He got a few skiers in

1118
00:58:37,639 --> 00:58:40,599
his lifetime, paranormal skiers, you know. So he had nothing

1119
00:58:40,639 --> 00:58:44,199
on your respect, and he tried to instilled that in me.

1120
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,159
He taught me so much that I never know that

1121
00:58:47,199 --> 00:58:50,599
man has forgotten more than I never learned. And he

1122
00:58:50,679 --> 00:58:52,719
was very, very modest about it was so bad. He

1123
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:54,440
didn't even like to sound with his own voice.

1124
00:58:54,639 --> 00:58:55,079
Speaker 4: That's right.

1125
00:58:55,079 --> 00:58:57,639
Speaker 6: I had awful I had an awful job to get

1126
00:58:57,679 --> 00:58:59,079
him to do that interview with YOUO.

1127
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: He sounded great, as do you.

1128
00:59:01,519 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 6: After it was done, he rang me up and he

1129
00:59:03,519 --> 00:59:06,000
praised me and he thanked me. And who was to

1130
00:59:06,039 --> 00:59:08,079
know that in a short little while later he wouldn't

1131
00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:08,440
be here.

1132
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I I wanted I said to Anne, I said,

1133
00:59:13,199 --> 00:59:15,559
you know, is it okay for me to use any

1134
00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:18,800
recordings of him and this I said, And she was great,

1135
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:20,760
and she said, you know this is all by text.

1136
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,280
She said, no problem at all. And I said, well,

1137
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,840
if you know, out of respect though, it's still very raw.

1138
00:59:26,039 --> 00:59:28,119
So I'll give it a show or two before we

1139
00:59:28,199 --> 00:59:30,840
do anything. And I thought the perfect guy to give

1140
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:32,920
a tribute to him would be yourself, because I know,

1141
00:59:33,159 --> 00:59:36,400
I know you were close. It was you who introduced

1142
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,719
him to me, and he was he was a find

1143
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,199
and I loved listen to him. I said, I really

1144
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:45,840
really regretted, you know, that I'd lost him so soon,

1145
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:50,679
because you know, sometimes you just get a vibe of people,

1146
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:54,599
and I just kept picturing standing in a pub with

1147
00:59:54,679 --> 00:59:57,960
him and just you know what, he's very like. I've

1148
00:59:58,039 --> 01:00:01,159
relatives down in Kildare, you know, that kind of down

1149
01:00:01,199 --> 01:00:03,239
to earth nothing.

1150
01:00:03,119 --> 01:00:05,599
Speaker 6: That I have myself, believe it or not. I have

1151
01:00:06,239 --> 01:00:08,480
myself from page and planned points as well, but we

1152
01:00:08,599 --> 01:00:11,159
never ever had a single point together. Never. It just

1153
01:00:11,239 --> 01:00:13,760
wasn't wasn't to be. We had planned even to come

1154
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,039
down the side of the country, spend a couple of

1155
01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:18,559
weeks here and we're going to go to I don't know,

1156
01:00:18,679 --> 01:00:22,760
numerous places, and it didn't happen. And the thing about him,

1157
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:24,960
I don't know did he mention himself when he was

1158
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,400
speaking to He had this unique hearing. He could pick

1159
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,639
out sounds. Oh yeah, he had hearing like, oh, I

1160
01:00:31,679 --> 01:00:34,280
can't understand that he could. You could play a sound

1161
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,880
to him and he could pick out different sounds. Again,

1162
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:40,639
he's hearing was really really razor sharp, especially for EVPs. Now,

1163
01:00:41,519 --> 01:00:44,320
he's hearing could pick up a fly where I can

1164
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,599
win fifty yards away. His hearing was that's a cute

1165
01:00:47,679 --> 01:00:50,960
Ueah yeah yeah. And he'd often pick up stuff and

1166
01:00:51,239 --> 01:00:53,440
christ I send them that I hadn't heard myself, and

1167
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,639
he'd boost them for me, and I still couldn't hear them,

1168
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,039
and he'd boosts maybe by five or ten times, and

1169
01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:00,920
he was trying not to start them by over boosting.

1170
01:01:01,039 --> 01:01:01,559
You know what I'm saying.

1171
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:04,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, totally. I am an audio guy. I know

1172
01:01:04,119 --> 01:01:04,880
what you're talking about.

1173
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And eventually I would latch onto what

1174
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:09,519
he was after, but he could hear it. First off.

1175
01:01:10,039 --> 01:01:13,440
He's hearing was just amazing. I'll never I've never met

1176
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:15,000
the lakes and I don't think you ever will again.

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01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:16,639
He was a really special guy.

1178
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,199
Speaker 1: I saw a picture of him, and he just looked

1179
01:01:19,199 --> 01:01:22,320
so healthy and young, and it's very fair he.

1180
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:26,079
Speaker 6: Was ten years younger than himself. I was the daddy

1181
01:01:26,119 --> 01:01:28,760
of all the groups because I'm sixty six. Nummer.

1182
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:30,559
Speaker 1: Actually there's not much playing us yet.

1183
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 6: I'm sixty two, so I'll be hanging up my guns.

1184
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:37,960
And now sharply, I say, I don't I don't know.

1185
01:01:38,039 --> 01:01:39,599
I don't know how much longer I can keep going,

1186
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:42,039
especially out in rough, rough terrain and any and stuff

1187
01:01:42,079 --> 01:01:42,280
like that.

1188
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 3: I won't be over for that, you know, that's true.

1189
01:01:44,159 --> 01:01:46,639
Speaker 6: And I'm looking at from the place some press we

1190
01:01:46,679 --> 01:01:48,000
go for a very dangerous.

1191
01:01:47,639 --> 01:01:50,559
Speaker 1: You know really, oh well, believe slip.

1192
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:54,599
Speaker 6: You'll see. And it's nearly always nighttime, but it doesn't

1193
01:01:54,599 --> 01:01:56,519
have to be a nighttime. It can be daytime as well.

1194
01:01:56,719 --> 01:01:59,719
The spirit doesn't care what time it is. He's not

1195
01:01:59,719 --> 01:02:03,079
into deny. If he's there, is there, simple as that.

1196
01:02:03,239 --> 01:02:07,159
Speaker 1: PJ of obviously giving our other PJ or late PJ

1197
01:02:07,519 --> 01:02:11,320
his place as well. Thanks so much for taking time

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01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,119
out of your evening to talk to ourselves here on

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01:02:14,199 --> 01:02:19,199
scary era. PJ. Cavanagh of Paranormal Awakenings Ireland, cheers.

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01:02:19,199 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 6: All of us market Thanks.

1201
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:27,119
Speaker 4: Mark Manning.

1202
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 1: My thanks to Pjkavanaugh Paranormal Awakenings Ireland. Just google that

1203
01:02:34,079 --> 01:02:36,559
name for all his socials and you can get in

1204
01:02:36,639 --> 01:02:40,039
touch with him and check out his many fantastic investigations

1205
01:02:40,039 --> 01:02:45,920
around Ireland. Now, earlier I mentioned that Anne, PJ. Doug's

1206
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:49,599
wife had kindly given me her permission that I could

1207
01:02:49,719 --> 01:02:53,920
use a previously on broadcast section of interview with the

1208
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:54,639
late PJ.

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01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:55,119
Speaker 4: Duke.

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01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:59,159
Speaker 1: If you stay tuned after these messages, you will hear it.

1211
01:02:59,159 --> 01:03:04,760
It concerns a dark night in kirk Kenny when all

1212
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:11,199
hell broke loose in a paranormal sense. Kind of stay tuned, Yeah.

1213
01:03:11,199 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, a couple of things over the years. But I've learned, well,

1214
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,360
I don't. I suppose it's not learned. I've just become

1215
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:19,239
accustomed to it. And I think it's kind of it's

1216
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,519
it's maybe it's another sense or something. But often when

1217
01:03:22,519 --> 01:03:24,119
you go into places, you will get a feeling for

1218
01:03:24,159 --> 01:03:26,320
the place and you'll get a feeling of whether or

1219
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,480
not it's comfortable. And whatever cause is that. Who knows

1220
01:03:29,519 --> 01:03:32,519
what causes that. But we have an intuition, we have

1221
01:03:32,519 --> 01:03:34,880
an inbuilt intuition. I can't describe what it is, or

1222
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,199
where it comes from, or the physics of it or

1223
01:03:37,239 --> 01:03:38,000
the chemistry of it.

1224
01:03:38,159 --> 01:03:40,679
Speaker 1: But it's there and anybody.

1225
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:43,119
Speaker 8: Will will tell you to stick with your intuition. If

1226
01:03:43,159 --> 01:03:46,239
you think something doesn't feel right, then don't hang around.

1227
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 9: Superb advice from regular contributor to Scary Era, David McGlynn

1228
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,280
aka the Squire, and don't hang around either.

1229
01:03:55,679 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 4: If you've got an Irish.

1230
01:03:57,119 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 9: Paranormal tale to tell, simply email on Paranormal Ireland add

1231
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:06,280
proton mail dot com and it'll be read out for you,

1232
01:04:07,119 --> 01:04:10,039
or you get to tell it on air yourself. That's

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01:04:10,159 --> 01:04:13,519
Paranormal Ireland add ProtonMail dot com.

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01:04:14,159 --> 01:04:18,199
Speaker 10: Hello Scary here listeners. My name is Anthony Kerrigan and

1235
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:22,480
I'm a member of a paranormal psychical research team called Ghostterer.

1236
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,280
You can catch up on where we have been also

1237
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:28,000
see what we've got up in the future by logging

1238
01:04:28,039 --> 01:04:32,159
into our website ww dot ghostereo dot net. You can

1239
01:04:32,199 --> 01:04:35,280
also watch shows of the GHOSTI channel, where we interview

1240
01:04:35,599 --> 01:04:38,880
numerous people in the field of the paranormal and FOURTEENA.

1241
01:04:39,119 --> 01:04:41,719
You can also check us on our social media pages

1242
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:46,199
on Facebook, Instagram and YouTube by just typing in Ghostterer

1243
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:47,760
or Ghosteer Paranormal.

1244
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 4: You can also watch our new.

1245
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 10: Show Phantasm Collective on channels such as Prime UK and

1246
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:58,800
also Paraflex and other streaming services to be announced.

1247
01:04:59,079 --> 01:05:06,159
Speaker 4: I've just got to deal with this ghost. Get out.

1248
01:05:09,679 --> 01:05:13,039
Speaker 11: Hi, Jenny Sullivan Here. I am the creator and founder

1249
01:05:13,119 --> 01:05:17,719
of Emerald Isle Paranormal Researchers. You can find our latest

1250
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:22,199
investigation of the beautiful and infamous Lept Castle. You can

1251
01:05:22,199 --> 01:05:29,360
find that on our YouTube page and our Facebook page.

1252
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 1: Now, ladies and gentlemen, sit back and listen to the

1253
01:05:34,079 --> 01:05:39,400
late and very great, in fact brilliant PJ. Doug paranormal

1254
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:41,199
investigator extraordinary.

1255
01:05:41,639 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 3: Here's a security story for you.

1256
01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:47,679
Speaker 1: Okay, got to ask you that you must have said

1257
01:05:47,679 --> 01:05:49,079
stuff in your job at go for it.

1258
01:05:49,559 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 3: I remember I was working for a company down in

1259
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:58,320
Kenny and literally patrolled, so you had twenty locations that

1260
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,119
you would have to visit on the night. Because I

1261
01:06:01,159 --> 01:06:03,880
took up the in climate with this company, I have

1262
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,719
to have a guy that trends me in to start

1263
01:06:07,079 --> 01:06:10,639
to get to know the code, beyset, the alarms and

1264
01:06:10,679 --> 01:06:14,719
everything else. The employer cournt Round said, look, we're going

1265
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:18,119
to give you one of our more experience guys. And

1266
01:06:18,159 --> 01:06:22,360
your third sent your not already experience. But the thing

1267
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:24,800
about is you're not from that county, so you're not

1268
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:28,519
familiar with the system. You're not familiar with the road

1269
01:06:28,599 --> 01:06:32,960
system or anything else as such, and where these locations

1270
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:39,159
are situated. Google Maps becomes absolutely fantastic when you're first

1271
01:06:39,559 --> 01:06:44,320
doing night patrols for a new company. But yeah, I've

1272
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:48,320
found this very unusual. What my instructor was telling me.

1273
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:50,719
Turn around and said to me, We're going to visit

1274
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:55,760
twenty locations tonight within twelve hours and tell me which

1275
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:58,159
one you get a vibe about. And I thought it's

1276
01:06:58,199 --> 01:07:02,800
a bit strange, O the Yeah, that okay. Literally we

1277
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:08,840
started out and four hours in and we came to

1278
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:14,039
one certain location, now straightforward, it had a shot run

1279
01:07:14,119 --> 01:07:17,239
to it, and there was a variation of extensions onto

1280
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:21,320
the back of it, okay, and the first part part

1281
01:07:21,679 --> 01:07:24,519
of the structure there was very much the second part

1282
01:07:24,639 --> 01:07:28,519
start to declining the lit Okay. Yeah, as you got

1283
01:07:28,519 --> 01:07:31,199
down into the third section of it, you began to

1284
01:07:31,239 --> 01:07:34,960
realize this this busines was getting older as you were

1285
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:37,599
progressing down to the building, and once you got to

1286
01:07:37,639 --> 01:07:39,119
the end of it, you were sort of like a

1287
01:07:39,119 --> 01:07:42,599
bit creaked out suddenly just didn't sit right, which I

1288
01:07:42,679 --> 01:07:45,239
didn't expressed that to him, and he didn't ask me.

1289
01:07:45,719 --> 01:07:51,480
We just went on and through that whole night until

1290
01:07:51,559 --> 01:07:56,239
we finished in the and he says, well, what building

1291
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:59,639
did you get a vibe about? And I saw a

1292
01:07:59,639 --> 01:08:02,320
brought back to that bid and I was telling you about.

1293
01:08:03,159 --> 01:08:06,519
He says, okay, He says, more night, you're on your own.

1294
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:11,119
He says, you're you're two the next two nights with

1295
01:08:11,239 --> 01:08:13,679
me as well. He says, not unfinished. After tonight, I

1296
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:19,039
have enough. There's going on here, you know, And he

1297
01:08:19,119 --> 01:08:24,199
says he'll find out. Okay. So the next night I

1298
01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:27,720
went okay, and clapping up my own jet, now went along.

1299
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:31,479
It came to this building and there was three checks

1300
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:34,359
on this building. The first checker was nine o'clock, the

1301
01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:38,359
second checker twelve o'clock, the third checker was three o'clock right,

1302
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:42,760
and ours checker was grand. You know, went through with

1303
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:45,359
this that you're still a bit conscious of sort of

1304
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:49,279
how it served became more eerie as you went down

1305
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:52,640
through it, and there was very little lightning as you

1306
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:54,640
were going down through it, so you were dependent on

1307
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,039
your fort and so on, which gave it that more

1308
01:08:57,159 --> 01:09:01,800
cree factor. I remember tree clock check and coming up

1309
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:04,840
to it, right, I unset the alarm, going to the

1310
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:08,439
front part, go through the second part, and at this

1311
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,520
point they'll be anxious. And then sentiment said, am I anxious?

1312
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:12,119
Speaker 9: You know?

1313
01:09:13,119 --> 01:09:16,560
Speaker 3: I work myself up into a state of anxiety. Maybe

1314
01:09:17,159 --> 01:09:22,279
it's just me. This building the sort of coming in

1315
01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:25,560
on you source because it's so dark going down through it,

1316
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,600
And I thought myself, and I'll shake yourself. Just get

1317
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:30,159
out of it, and I won't mind on it, and

1318
01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:33,279
I investigate the paranorms instead. I was getting creeped out

1319
01:09:33,319 --> 01:09:36,840
about this business. So as I was coming back up

1320
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:40,239
through and everything else, I came back into the more

1321
01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:42,960
modern section and I was sort of looking at what

1322
01:09:43,079 --> 01:09:46,000
they had on their display and this that and you're oh.

1323
01:09:47,319 --> 01:09:50,760
And as I was just about to enter through the

1324
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:52,800
second or to go out through the main door and

1325
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:57,319
set the alarm, this old man's face turns around and says,

1326
01:09:57,399 --> 01:10:02,239
hello there, And I rows to the spot. Honestly by

1327
01:10:02,399 --> 01:10:06,960
for us to the spot. So that's not possible, you know.

1328
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 1: It's just a disembodied voice.

1329
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 3: Yes, just straight out there, Hello there, Do that again?

1330
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:22,720
Speaker 1: Do that again? Say it no, no, hell say the

1331
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:24,039
hello there the way you said.

1332
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:28,079
Speaker 3: It, Hello there, and it was really gentle. Really there

1333
01:10:28,119 --> 01:10:33,119
was nothing aggressive. Hello and yeah. I stoked to the

1334
01:10:33,199 --> 01:10:37,439
spot and I thought to myself that armor was set.

1335
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:40,119
When I came in, I on set that alert. I

1336
01:10:40,239 --> 01:10:42,600
checked the first section first. There was nobody in it.

1337
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:45,680
From office to office to office. I went down through

1338
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,880
you every section and went down. I checked, there's nobody

1339
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:51,920
in this building. And as I turned around, because you

1340
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:56,279
know what the rule of security is on you still.

1341
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:56,359
Speaker 4: Have to do.

1342
01:10:56,439 --> 01:11:01,199
Speaker 3: Did you have regardless of course, carry on regardless? Yeah, sorry,

1343
01:11:01,239 --> 01:11:05,680
on regardless, And I remember sort of shaking myself together

1344
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:08,840
and going, I have to check. And I shunned the

1345
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:11,399
torch all around that area, and I knew exactly where

1346
01:11:11,399 --> 01:11:14,119
the price had come from. And I shone it over

1347
01:11:14,199 --> 01:11:17,520
to the main encounter and I went over look behind

1348
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:20,960
the counter. There was nobody there. There was no intercom.

1349
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,680
I was looking around to see us through an intercom

1350
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:26,800
on look on the wall, any wire was I being

1351
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:29,840
watched by the flyer and he just decided to play

1352
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,279
a nice one on me. No, not notice, sir. There

1353
01:11:32,319 --> 01:11:35,279
was only one security camera in there, and it didn't

1354
01:11:35,319 --> 01:11:38,920
even have a sound on it. There was just picture

1355
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:43,119
on me, and because I inquired to believe me. So

1356
01:11:44,039 --> 01:11:48,760
I remember walking out setting the alarm, sitting in the

1357
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:52,199
van and kept looking at and I went, I have

1358
01:11:52,319 --> 01:11:57,680
to come here tomorrow night. So the following night entered

1359
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,000
through and I'm still conscious of what happened the previous

1360
01:12:00,039 --> 01:12:03,720
at night, and I go through it, and as I

1361
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:06,920
got down to the bottom, it was like something came

1362
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:10,439
alive inside there and it was like banging. I could

1363
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:15,119
hear that work. Somebody advices there was nobody because the

1364
01:12:15,199 --> 01:12:19,920
further you went back into this building, I could carry

1365
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:21,479
you the name of the building, but I can't for

1366
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:25,760
because of the commercial property. But off the records some

1367
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:27,920
day for I never talking to you again, I'll tell

1368
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:32,680
you here. It test started to go crazy and I

1369
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:36,840
just turned around and went like this, you know we're

1370
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:41,199
here straight up? Set the alarm, got into the band

1371
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:46,640
rang my boss right yeah, I said, excuse me, after

1372
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:50,560
we've been any reports from any other security card about

1373
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:53,319
this location? And he turns and he says, yeah, there

1374
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:59,119
some of them feel very uneasy about that location. I said, really, yeah,

1375
01:12:59,199 --> 01:13:00,520
I said, did to bring any proof?

1376
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 4: Righting?

1377
01:13:02,159 --> 01:13:05,039
Speaker 3: Well, I know we won't go down that line. You see,

1378
01:13:05,039 --> 01:13:08,000
they won't admit or tell you that there's a possible

1379
01:13:08,039 --> 01:13:11,279
hope maybe going on in there. And due to the

1380
01:13:11,319 --> 01:13:15,359
certain validations of other security guard over the years and

1381
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:18,439
visiting that's part and I had the experiences, I said

1382
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:20,800
to myself the best thing to do, right, I'll bring

1383
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:23,840
another security guard with me on the night. And I

1384
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:26,800
asked a friend of mine that literally was working another

1385
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:30,520
location and off would he come along with me? And

1386
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:33,000
I says, I'll take the blunt of it if anything happens,

1387
01:13:33,039 --> 01:13:36,000
because literally he wasn't insured beyond the band with me.

1388
01:13:36,319 --> 01:13:41,840
But still I wanted ease confirmation, okay, And I knew

1389
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,399
he was the greatest skeptical I ever came across. Okay,

1390
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:46,399
So I set to myself, lovely, I have a skeptic

1391
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:50,199
here and I just want validation if anything happens down here.

1392
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:54,600
Basically it's for him to say that he could turn

1393
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:56,239
around as if what the hell has gone on or

1394
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:59,279
so on, or maybe nothing it will happen, because sometimes

1395
01:13:59,279 --> 01:14:01,920
that's what happens when you're trying to prove them it

1396
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:05,039
doesn't happen. We all go in Ion said he was

1397
01:14:05,119 --> 01:14:09,119
familiar with the property from a visual view. So he says, ah, yeah,

1398
01:14:09,159 --> 01:14:11,399
I know that as well. You know it's been here

1399
01:14:11,399 --> 01:14:13,840
a long time. And I said, Grant, I said, now

1400
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:15,840
you don't have took any or anything else, but I

1401
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:18,600
just need to pick me up. And now I wasn't

1402
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:22,359
saying to him what had happened the night before. I

1403
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:25,319
just didn't want to start on Nerven or plan something

1404
01:14:25,359 --> 01:14:29,720
in his head. So as we're walking down through the place,

1405
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:33,800
he says, yeah, it's a bit crazy. Yeah, it needs

1406
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:36,640
more light than he was certain nearly rebuilding the place.

1407
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:40,039
As he was going down forward and as we were

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01:14:40,079 --> 01:14:43,039
just hitting down on the last section of it, next

1409
01:14:43,039 --> 01:14:45,840
Monk explored it was like there was fights all over

1410
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:49,000
the place and everything else, and and who had to win.

1411
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:51,800
Is there's somebody in the place that's or somebody He

1412
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:55,439
went into what I called security guard mode. Right, it's

1413
01:14:55,439 --> 01:15:00,159
a trek. Somebody is either inside the building or they

1414
01:15:00,239 --> 01:15:03,640
have got in. And I would they've heard these security

1415
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:07,399
guards walking down and they're panicking, and there's vices all over

1416
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:09,800
your stuff. And this is why he was beginning to tick. Now.

1417
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:13,119
Literally he ran to every door and checked it and

1418
01:15:13,159 --> 01:15:17,079
there was chained right, So then he thought maybe to

1419
01:15:17,159 --> 01:15:20,239
roup on the roof, and I went on, oh gosh,

1420
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:23,560
we're going we're doing the long stint here now. So

1421
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:26,760
he unlocks. He's the pege of communicate about down luck

1422
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:28,920
and we're going out here. I said, okay, let's go

1423
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,520
on over here. And I certain knew of myself myself

1424
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:34,600
there were waste the trains, but you know, I was

1425
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:36,960
going with what he wanted to do. So we went

1426
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,039
out through the back of it and was shining the

1427
01:15:39,079 --> 01:15:43,640
torch all across the group, not sinner, okay, with all

1428
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:46,640
across the art, checked everything in the art not there

1429
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:49,399
was no entry into the art. It wasn't possible for

1430
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:53,199
anybody to get into this yard. So he turns around.

1431
01:15:53,239 --> 01:15:56,279
He says, Tom, what's going on? And I said, okay,

1432
01:15:56,319 --> 01:15:57,960
I'll talk here when we get back to the bank.

1433
01:15:58,199 --> 01:16:01,159
So as we came back into that, it started all

1434
01:16:01,199 --> 01:16:05,560
over it. So here we took out our phones. I says, look,

1435
01:16:07,239 --> 01:16:10,600
we just do a bit recording here as we're retreating

1436
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:13,399
now with this building. Okay, that was the way to him.

1437
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:15,840
So as we're going out with the building and everything else,

1438
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:18,840
we're recording. When as we get into this into the

1439
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:21,479
second section, it sort of dies off. And as we

1440
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:23,880
get into the first section, and I'm still conscious of

1441
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:27,920
what I heard for the previous night, literally that old

1442
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:31,000
man's bight. I was thinking to myself, well, this happened again, off,

1443
01:16:31,039 --> 01:16:33,640
please let it happen. This be brilliant all together, that

1444
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:37,920
way really conform, And it didn't. We set the alarm,

1445
01:16:38,039 --> 01:16:39,880
go outside, and the man turns them and says to me,

1446
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:43,039
bring me home straight away. Okay, I said, right, that

1447
01:16:43,119 --> 01:16:47,119
place is haunted. Now this is a skeptic, you know.

1448
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:52,000
And he never talked paranormal or anything else. So the

1449
01:16:52,039 --> 01:16:55,279
next day I went into my boss and I said, look,

1450
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:58,600
I'll tell you the truth. Now, there's something going on

1451
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:02,359
in this one. Look and he says that look off

1452
01:17:02,359 --> 01:17:05,840
the record. He says, look, we need the contract. We

1453
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:10,720
can not decline that contract. It's a big contract. I says,

1454
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:15,239
I understand that. So I says, look gold, and he's

1455
01:17:15,239 --> 01:17:19,359
started getting me a history of what belonged was and

1456
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:23,119
everything else, and it sort of fell into place for me.

1457
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:26,600
At the same time. Every time I rolled up outside

1458
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:28,560
that I wouldn't go into the third section of it.

1459
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:30,680
I'd only go into the first and second and set

1460
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:33,000
the hell with the third section of it as that's

1461
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:38,479
when it really go And so that's my security guard

1462
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:40,279
story for you, and I.

1463
01:17:40,319 --> 01:17:44,159
Speaker 1: Have to say exact a gripping one. I'm thinking to

1464
01:17:44,199 --> 01:17:47,199
myself the voices that you heard, So I was like,

1465
01:17:47,279 --> 01:17:51,880
this kafuffle going on disembodied voices? Was that when you know,

1466
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:55,239
could you even identify? Was it regional accents or was

1467
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:58,640
just noises? So what would how did that sound? I mean,

1468
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:01,840
the hair would have been standing up in your head right, It.

1469
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:06,239
Speaker 3: Sounded like a party of ten people all sort of

1470
01:18:06,279 --> 01:18:12,640
talking at once in it's one location and scattered like

1471
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:14,800
they were talking back and forth to one another. But

1472
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:18,439
literally it was like there you were a certain Malcolm

1473
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:22,439
in the middle sandwich between all this, and you know,

1474
01:18:23,159 --> 01:18:26,119
there's a possibility that And I always sort of thought

1475
01:18:26,159 --> 01:18:31,880
about was it a residual because what was built the extent,

1476
01:18:32,039 --> 01:18:35,359
the older part was a part of something else originally

1477
01:18:35,359 --> 01:18:41,680
one time it went back one hundred years, So it

1478
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:45,680
could this because once again I come back to the

1479
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:49,880
sort of granite court and is it a recording and

1480
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:53,520
it started playing at a certain time and you're just

1481
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:57,079
part unpersonal enough to be caught in that moment as

1482
01:18:57,119 --> 01:19:00,680
you're going through. But your only thing I thought that

1483
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:04,000
was intelligent was the first fight I heard in the

1484
01:19:04,039 --> 01:19:06,640
front section and I went, hello, It's.

1485
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:08,640
Speaker 1: Like it's like a little sweet shop owner. I like

1486
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:10,720
him already. I don't know who he is, but I

1487
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:14,840
would love to hear him. Would you like to come

1488
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:15,720
and see the puppies?

1489
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:20,279
Speaker 3: That and you're born? That was a sweet voice.

1490
01:19:20,279 --> 01:19:25,279
Speaker 1: But yeah, oh, listen to Kenny is so historic. And

1491
01:19:25,319 --> 01:19:27,079
I say, I hail from there, but that's about it.

1492
01:19:27,119 --> 01:19:29,840
I was born there, but I didn't hang around very long.

1493
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:33,920
There's a barracks downer Steven's barracks, think it is. We

1494
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:39,199
lived there for a while. And that was that. PJ Doug,

1495
01:19:40,079 --> 01:19:45,960
great guy, great friend. PJ Kavnan, many more paranormal investigators.

1496
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:50,239
This entire show is dedicated to you and your wife Anne,

1497
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:55,720
and your children and your many many friends. Rest in

1498
01:19:55,760 --> 01:20:16,880
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