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<v Speaker 1>Time now talk a little soccer club legend friend of

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<v Speaker 1>the program, Brian dun Seth.

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<v Speaker 2>Happy Friday, Donnie. How are we doing?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I appreciate it, man, Sorry to keep you waiting.

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, did I hear did I hear you say?

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<v Speaker 3>Another rebuild for the Utah Jazz. I feel like I've

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<v Speaker 3>heard that since two thousand and five.

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<v Speaker 1>All the Clipper fan comes out and Donnie, look at

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<v Speaker 1>that taking shots at the Utah Jazz. Hey, look, man,

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<v Speaker 1>Uh it's uh, it's tough. It's tough sledding, dude. I

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<v Speaker 1>just I miss spring basketball, man. I love the playoffs

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<v Speaker 1>as all.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I'm just teasing. Man. I'm having a hard enough

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<v Speaker 3>time watching the Clippers now that they've got James Harden

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<v Speaker 3>and the starting letter starting five. So trust me, I

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<v Speaker 3>feel the pain, Donny.

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<v Speaker 2>How do we score goals? How does this? Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>Outside of uh, you know, as as Camaradnie likes to

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<v Speaker 1>say this year RSL Diego Luna as well, and they

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<v Speaker 1>don't do much else well in the attacking third?

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<v Speaker 2>What's going what's going on in the attack dude? Help

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<v Speaker 2>me understand this.

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<v Speaker 3>It was the loss of Andras Gomez and Chicho Wrong

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<v Speaker 3>that doesn't help Anderson Julio being sent down to Dallas

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<v Speaker 3>with Junka coming up. You know, the lack of investment

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<v Speaker 3>in the international window in the midst of a transition

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<v Speaker 3>and ownership once again, and we're rent and repeating the

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<v Speaker 3>same conversation you and I had met in February when

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<v Speaker 3>we were heading into the season. So not much has

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<v Speaker 3>changed outside of Gozo is the twenty twenty five version

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<v Speaker 3>of what the twenty twenty three twenty twenty three version

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<v Speaker 3>of Diego Luna was, which is a young kid that

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<v Speaker 3>utilized the US under seventeen experience or US under twenty

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<v Speaker 3>experience going to be a part of the Olympic team

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<v Speaker 3>experience and turn that into opportunity when other guys weren't performing.

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<v Speaker 3>Because at the end of the day, no matter the

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<v Speaker 3>apparent or the equivalent value of players coming in, if

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<v Speaker 3>statistically you're not affecting the game in a consistent level,

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<v Speaker 3>it's going to open up the door. And that's why

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<v Speaker 3>Diego Luna is to be a full US men's national

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<v Speaker 3>team player under Mariso Pochettino, and Gozo is going to

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<v Speaker 3>be a weekend, week out starter in Major League Soccer.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, what is fair to say both critically and then

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<v Speaker 1>maybe given space for some things that happened that nobody

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<v Speaker 1>saw coming about the additions or slash lack thereof editions.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that the primary window is coming gone, we have

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<v Speaker 1>not spoken since that window came and gone. It's Williegatta,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it's Johnny Russell, who you probably played against,

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<v Speaker 1>due respect, but.

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<v Speaker 3>He's not that old.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's like thirty eight, dude.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, look, yeah, you know, ultimately it was long

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<v Speaker 3>gone by that point.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, fair enough, fair enough, but but you get the gist.

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<v Speaker 1>So tell me what's fair to say on both sides

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<v Speaker 1>of the coin about the primary transfer window and what

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<v Speaker 1>RSL did and did not do.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, listen, I think Izago and Peel were erry.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean not in terms of physical builds similar, but

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<v Speaker 3>technically and tactically played the game differently. But they were projects.

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<v Speaker 3>Elias Manuel, you dodged a bullet with that guy said

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<v Speaker 3>he wanted to come, then he said he didn't want

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<v Speaker 3>to come and wanted to do a contract se La,

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<v Speaker 3>and then ultimately coming up short on on I can't

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's I can't remember how to pronounce his

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<v Speaker 3>name exactly. But both the kid that was playing the

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<v Speaker 3>Slovakian International, the kid was playing in Portugal, and that

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<v Speaker 3>fella fell apart at the last minute, where I commend

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<v Speaker 3>Kurt and Alphon in real Salt Lake for holding their

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<v Speaker 3>ground and not allowing people to change the agreement on

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<v Speaker 3>the deal and the dying moments, and boyd Vista is

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<v Speaker 3>is long recognized for some really unsavory things. I believe,

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<v Speaker 3>whether it's Reggie Cannon in Dallas or Albert Ellish in Houston,

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<v Speaker 3>they still owe those two teams significant sums of money

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<v Speaker 3>having not paid on previous transfers in Major League Soccer.

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<v Speaker 3>So there was always already a kind of a general awareness.

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<v Speaker 3>But the reality is the risk versus reward. Right, The

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<v Speaker 3>risk is, as you continue to negotiate to get a

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<v Speaker 3>fair price that you think is doable for your club.

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<v Speaker 3>The reward is if you get it over the line.

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<v Speaker 3>The risk is if you've pushed it to the final

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<v Speaker 3>moments of a window and that Herbie Hancock still isn't

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<v Speaker 3>on the piece of paper, well, then you've you've royally

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<v Speaker 3>pushed a moment in which you now are punished because

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<v Speaker 3>that window is closed. I think Willie gotta coming over

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<v Speaker 3>at twenty five, twenty six years of age. A guy

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<v Speaker 3>that can score ten plus goals in the season is

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<v Speaker 3>a smart and savvy move because everything had gone sideways

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<v Speaker 3>in Kansas City, pulling off both off and off the field,

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<v Speaker 3>that had led to the departure and firing of the

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<v Speaker 3>most tenured manager in Major League Soccer at the time,

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<v Speaker 3>Peter Burmes. Johnny Russell is at the end of his career,

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<v Speaker 3>but I think a great addition in terms of the

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<v Speaker 3>locker room. He's got a ton of presence, a ton

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<v Speaker 3>of leadership. Bill got a great left foot, and we're

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<v Speaker 3>just waiting for him to be fully fit enough after

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<v Speaker 3>you know, being out of contract for a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>to step on the field. But you know, the reality

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<v Speaker 3>is again when you lose and you make the decision

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<v Speaker 3>to cash in on Andres Gomez, which was really for

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<v Speaker 3>me a once in a lifetime opportunity, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>the right decision, and then the surprises of Chicho Rongo

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<v Speaker 3>effectively wanting to leave and he's flying right now, but

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<v Speaker 3>he becomes a distressed asset. You know, now you're looking

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<v Speaker 3>at a situation where you're relying on guys to score

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<v Speaker 3>goals that are either unproven or unreliable.

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<v Speaker 1>So if we're going to focus on one positive, it

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<v Speaker 1>certainly is this young man, Diego Luna, who has continued

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<v Speaker 1>to show that he is a star on the rise

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<v Speaker 1>with seven goals on the season. And you know, Donny,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just that he's scoring goals. Like the way

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<v Speaker 1>he's doing it there a lot of them are just

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<v Speaker 1>like wonder strikes where you go, holy smokes, and I

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<v Speaker 1>just wonder if he's already better than you thought he

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<v Speaker 1>could ever be.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a great question. No one's ever asked me that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm still to this point not sure what his ceiling is,

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<v Speaker 3>and I mean that with the utmost respect, because I

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<v Speaker 3>could easily see clubs from La Liga. I could see

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<v Speaker 3>clubs in Holland and so Spain, Holland, Germany. I could

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<v Speaker 3>see teams in Mexico. I could see because of his build,

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<v Speaker 3>similar to let's see Jefferson Savarino. I could see him

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<v Speaker 3>down in Brazil, because you know, he's kind of built

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<v Speaker 3>like Clint Mathis was built. He's got that feel. He's

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<v Speaker 3>also kind of built like guatemot Blanco. For those that

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<v Speaker 3>remember back in the day the Mexican International and Spension

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<v Speaker 3>time in Chicago. The thing about Diego is his center,

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<v Speaker 3>bounce technique, monster mentality, all of those things, but most

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<v Speaker 3>important for me is that he's a kid to bet

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<v Speaker 3>on himself. And I don't know how you could ever

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<v Speaker 3>bet against a kid who's willing to bet on himself

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<v Speaker 3>and to walk away from the San Jose earthquakes and

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<v Speaker 3>go to l Passo as a teenager to work himself

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<v Speaker 3>into a moment where he's got the opportunity to come

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<v Speaker 3>to real Salt Lake, you know, to get punched in

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<v Speaker 3>the teeth on a few occasions of understanding what that

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<v Speaker 3>next step look like. Whether you talk about dietary, whether

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<v Speaker 3>you talk about physical, whether you talk about the work

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<v Speaker 3>off the ball on the defensive side, he has done

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<v Speaker 3>everything that has been asked of him. I covered the

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<v Speaker 3>ussman's national team in January down in Orlando when he

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<v Speaker 3>got his nose broken, and Mariso Pozatino said what he

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<v Speaker 3>loves best about him. He said, quote big balls in

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<v Speaker 3>the post game on T and T in our coverage,

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<v Speaker 3>and I don't think there's a better description of what

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<v Speaker 3>he's got. There's a just a from a competitive standpoint,

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<v Speaker 3>a killer mentality. I still can't understand round my head

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<v Speaker 3>around why he was left off the Olympic team. In

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<v Speaker 3>the summer, he was justly rewarded with an All Star

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<v Speaker 3>spot as well as an MLS Young Player of the Year.

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<v Speaker 3>He was the best performer down at the Nations League

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<v Speaker 3>when had the opportunity against Canada to step on the

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<v Speaker 3>field for Marisa Postino in that third and fourth place game,

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<v Speaker 3>and Spence I fully expect him to be gone for

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<v Speaker 3>a good chunk of the summer from Real Salt Lake,

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<v Speaker 3>because I think this kid is going to be one

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<v Speaker 3>of the main featuring playmakers for the game against Turkey,

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<v Speaker 3>the game against Nashville, and then heading into the Gold

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<v Speaker 3>Cup this summer. He's been fantastic and I know, in

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<v Speaker 3>a position where there's a lot of great number tens

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<v Speaker 3>in Major League Soccer, I would never want to see

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<v Speaker 3>him overshadowed by the bigger names, because I think the

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<v Speaker 3>amount of respect that he's earned from the players around

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<v Speaker 3>this league speaks volumes for what he's done in his

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<v Speaker 3>short career so far.

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<v Speaker 1>The politics surrounding the US men's national team program probably

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<v Speaker 1>aren't things that I fully understand, but I know that

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<v Speaker 1>you do. Is it too late to expect Diego to

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<v Speaker 1>be a key part of the US men's national team

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<v Speaker 1>come World Cup twenty six.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's the immediacy in the in the future.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not joking, Spence. He Mauricio Pochettino adores Diego Luna.

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<v Speaker 3>He he, It's it's I'm trying to I'm trying not

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<v Speaker 3>to give too much. That was behind the scenes, But

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<v Speaker 3>Diego we we we kind of used this saying in soccer,

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<v Speaker 3>and I know Paplo has probably used it with you

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<v Speaker 3>on multiple occasions. He's got that dog in him, like

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<v Speaker 3>he is a monster mentality player and the only thing

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<v Speaker 3>that's going to slow him down is God forbid any

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<v Speaker 3>type of injuries. He is as long as Mauricio Pochettino

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<v Speaker 3>as of right now, Mauricio Pochettino, He's going to be involved,

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<v Speaker 3>I have no doubt. And when the and the roster

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<v Speaker 3>comes out for those two friendlies which I'm fortunate enough

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<v Speaker 3>to get to be a part of against Turkey and

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<v Speaker 3>in East Hartford, Connecticut, and then against Switzerland and Nashville.

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<v Speaker 3>It's reverse fixtures. Mexico will be up here playing Switzerland

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<v Speaker 3>at the U and then they'll flip flop the teams

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<v Speaker 3>on the on the return a few days later, I again,

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<v Speaker 3>I think, I think Pochatino and his staff love everything

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<v Speaker 3>that they're seeing because there there's there's no how do

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<v Speaker 3>I say this correctly? With all due respect to the

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<v Speaker 3>guys that are cutting their teeth overseas and continuing to

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<v Speaker 3>push the envelope for some of the biggest clubs and

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<v Speaker 3>in Champions League competition, dig there's there's not an ounce

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<v Speaker 3>of entitlement that comes along with Diego Luna. He recognizes

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<v Speaker 3>every moment that he has to work and earn every

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<v Speaker 3>chance that he gets. And there's something to be said

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<v Speaker 3>about to your point, you know, we're we're we're about

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<v Speaker 3>to turn into that final twelve months before the World

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<v Speaker 3>Cup comes to the United States, and god forbid we

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<v Speaker 3>have any similar type of performance that we saw at

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<v Speaker 3>the Nation's League or Copa Libertadores last summer. So I

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<v Speaker 3>think Diego's is fully cognizant of what these chances mean.

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<v Speaker 3>And I would never ever bet against Diego Luna.

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<v Speaker 1>Is RSL wasting this young man's ability, because it just

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<v Speaker 1>feels like there are way too many games where if

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<v Speaker 1>Diego doesn't create something, there's nothing created.

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<v Speaker 2>Does he have enough help in the attack.

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<v Speaker 3>No, not right now, And with respect to Diego, I

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<v Speaker 3>think Diego Gonzalez hasn't come anywhere close to being the

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<v Speaker 3>player that we thought the previous two players coming from

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<v Speaker 3>Denmark could be when talking about Evander who was in

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<v Speaker 3>Portland and has moved to at C Cincinnati and Honey Mouktar,

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<v Speaker 3>who's been a multiple MLS All Star as well as

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<v Speaker 3>Best eleven performer down in Nashville. So been really disappointed

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<v Speaker 3>with the with the lack of consistent forerformances an influence

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<v Speaker 3>that Diego has, He's looked more like a complimentary piece

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<v Speaker 3>as opposed to a pure designated player and statistically dominic.

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<v Speaker 3>Marchuk hasn't shown me anything anywhere near enough, and I

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<v Speaker 3>can't be the only one if if Pablo Mastroni continues

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<v Speaker 3>to give Gozo the runout, because on both sides of

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<v Speaker 3>the ball, Gozo has looked the much more dangerous player

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<v Speaker 3>that's willing to leave it all on the field, as

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<v Speaker 3>opposed to Marchook that in moments has looked dangerous but

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<v Speaker 3>far from the consistent product that we expected after betting

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<v Speaker 3>down for the better part of the last twelve months.

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<v Speaker 2>So Donny before I set you lose.

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<v Speaker 1>I've had a few guests who cover our cell who

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<v Speaker 1>feel like as a result of the lack of additions made,

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<v Speaker 1>And yes, there's a summer transfer window, but after that closes,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you have eight or nine matches left. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you feel like this is a lost season? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, with without talent at his disposal. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know that this is an en diamond on Pablo at all,

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<v Speaker 1>and I feel like they really like him over there,

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<v Speaker 1>But do you feel like this is kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>one off, like throwaway season for RSL with the inability

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<v Speaker 1>of the front office to make significant talent editions.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, just to be clear, I do want to make

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<v Speaker 3>sure that there's nuance to this conversation that understanding, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the predicament that the front office found themselves in considering

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it was pretty obvious that Ryan Smith was

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<v Speaker 3>highly focused on the Jazz and Utah Hockey Club or

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<v Speaker 3>Mammoths whatever we're calling it now. In the transition of

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<v Speaker 3>the Millers, you know, taking over a majority ownership and

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<v Speaker 3>David Blitzer and company kind of stepping down in their ownership,

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<v Speaker 3>that there was going to be behind the scenes and

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<v Speaker 3>infrastructure change, as well as probably concerned about how much

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<v Speaker 3>was invested. I mean, I think that's kind of incredibly obvious,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm speaking I'm not to be clear, Like I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not a team employee, you know, Like I do some

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<v Speaker 3>voiceover work and i do some hosting stuff, but my

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<v Speaker 3>main gig is covering the US men's national team and

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<v Speaker 3>covering Major League Soccer, So I'm coming in from it

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<v Speaker 3>from more of a national coverage perspective for MLS and

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<v Speaker 3>Apple TV. There is a way around this, and it

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<v Speaker 3>has to be very similar to what we saw with

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<v Speaker 3>chi Cho Rongo two summers ago, where if you've identified

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<v Speaker 3>your guy, get that deal over the line. And my

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<v Speaker 3>hope is that with the Miller's completely settling in that

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<v Speaker 3>there will be a significant amount of funds that are

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<v Speaker 3>now made available now that everybody has clarity about what

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<v Speaker 3>this looks like. Notoriously more easy during the summer transfer

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<v Speaker 3>window to sign players or have better conversations because players

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<v Speaker 3>are out of contract as opposed to coming out of

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<v Speaker 3>contract and having to buy players out of contract. The

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<v Speaker 3>cap hit is half of what it normally would be

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<v Speaker 3>because effectively half the season. But similarly, what they did

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<v Speaker 3>with Chicho Arongo is get him in the market a

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<v Speaker 3>good month before he's even eligible to step on the field.

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<v Speaker 3>Get whoever you're deciding to have be a part of it,

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<v Speaker 3>Get them in market, get their family settled, get their

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<v Speaker 3>kids registered from school, get the player training with the team,

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<v Speaker 3>and then the moment that the availability and the paperwork

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<v Speaker 3>is through on registration, get this player or play yours

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<v Speaker 3>on the field and hopefully they have a similar impact

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<v Speaker 3>that Chico did. You cannot afford to have what happened

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<v Speaker 3>last year with Diogo, where whether it was the inability

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<v Speaker 3>to get the done, the deal done as early as

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<v Speaker 3>it needed to be, the negotiation snags, snapoos, Diogo never settled,

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<v Speaker 3>and at that point Pablo was really concerned with keeping

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<v Speaker 3>the momentum and keeping the kind of starting eleven matchups

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<v Speaker 3>in play while trying to get Chicho back on track

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<v Speaker 3>after the suspension earlier in the summer. So there is

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<v Speaker 3>a way around this. But to your point, yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>if you are not really tight on your timelines, you

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<v Speaker 3>could have actually even less than eight games remaining. Because

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<v Speaker 3>it's a dirty little secret right now that it's very

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<v Speaker 3>difficult to get paperwork through. You know, from a registration

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<v Speaker 3>work permit visa situation than it ever has been before.

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<v Speaker 1>Give me a quick thought on Colorado, RSL Colorado or

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<v Speaker 1>Marl of course rivalry match.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Colorado, three consecutive losses a jekylin high team soft underbelly.

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<v Speaker 3>They've got the ability to score some goals, transition moments

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<v Speaker 3>defensively haven't been good enough. Pressure on Zach Stefane, goal,

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<v Speaker 3>pressure on Chris Armis to get this right. They won

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<v Speaker 3>the Rocky Mountain Cup last year. They celebrated it like

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<v Speaker 3>it was a real trophy. Egotistically RSL players, Hopefully they

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<v Speaker 3>understand that the fan base it really matters to we

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<v Speaker 3>also late fans, so hopefully they put in a performance

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<v Speaker 3>worthy of the fans approval.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, brother, I appreciate the time, safe travels, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let's chat soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks dude.

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate my man. And by the way, don't ever

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<v Speaker 3>listen to cant I'm Ronnie. Dude.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that's a great point. That's a great point. Brian,

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<v Speaker 1>you always offer great advice. Thank you, my friend.

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate you it all right.

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<v Speaker 1>The great Brian don Seth now with Apple TV does

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<v Speaker 1>some work for Turner Sports. When the national team is

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<v Speaker 1>playing as well. He exited Twitter during the last World

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<v Speaker 1>Cup cycle, but I think you can find him on

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