1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: I want you to just imagine for a second that 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:07,559 you're standing in this vast, totally untouched wilderness like way back, yeah, exactly, 3 00:00:07,599 --> 00:00:10,359 like ten thousand years ago. Yeah, the airs pristine, you know, 4 00:00:10,599 --> 00:00:12,439 the silence is just well, that's. 5 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:14,759 Speaker 2: Just the wind, maybe a bird calling, right. 6 00:00:14,839 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: And you possess absolutely no concept of modern technology. You 7 00:00:18,519 --> 00:00:23,920 don't have words for engines or electricity or like spacecraft. 8 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,559 Speaker 2: Your whole world is just seasons, hunting. 9 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: Foraging, exactly, the steady, predictable turning of the stars. And 10 00:00:31,039 --> 00:00:35,439 then out of nowhere, the sky just tears open. Oh wow, 11 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,399 it doesn't just change, it violently rips apart with this deafening, 12 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:44,520 chest rattling acoustic shockwave. There's blinding fire, yea billowing acrid. 13 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,799 Speaker 2: Smoke, smelling like ozone. Right, things they have no reference. 14 00:00:47,399 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: For, totally burning chemicals, and descending from the heavens. Is 15 00:00:50,679 --> 00:00:54,359 this massive metallic vessel that just completely defies. 16 00:00:54,039 --> 00:00:57,039 Speaker 2: Gravity, defies everything they understand about the natural physical world. 17 00:00:57,079 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: I mean yes, And you watch it scorch the earth, 18 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,159 and when it's over, when the sky is finally quiet again, 19 00:01:03,759 --> 00:01:07,519 your mind is just racing. How do you process that 20 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,239 level of cognitive dissonance? 21 00:01:09,359 --> 00:01:10,879 Speaker 2: It's an ontological shock. 22 00:01:10,799 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: Right, And more importantly, how do you record what you 23 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:18,079 just saw so that your descendants will actually believe you? You 24 00:01:17,599 --> 00:01:18,799 crave a permanent ledger. 25 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,719 Speaker 2: You need something that will outlast human memory. So you 26 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:24,519 find the hardest canvas available. 27 00:01:24,599 --> 00:01:27,879 Speaker 1: You carve it into stone. Welcome to thwilling Threads. I'm 28 00:01:27,879 --> 00:01:29,719 so excited for today's discision too. 29 00:01:30,239 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 2: It is the ultimate act of data preservation. 30 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: Honestly, it really is. When faced with an event like that, 31 00:01:36,159 --> 00:01:38,920 the human instinct is to document it. You leave a 32 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,879 mark saying I was here and this impossible thing happened. 33 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 2: And that's our mission today, isn't it. 34 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: Yeah? Exactly, We're looking at what happens when you take 35 00:01:46,799 --> 00:01:50,480 that terrified, awe stric human impulse to carve the impossible 36 00:01:50,519 --> 00:01:52,719 into stone, and you map it globally. 37 00:01:52,799 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 2: Because the stack of archaeological accounts, the ancient texts, the 38 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,840 global rock art we have it's immense. 39 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: It's staggering. And our ancestors weren't just drawing metaphors, right, 40 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:08,360 they were independently building a unified global database of extraterrestrial 41 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,400 contact and well cosmic portals. Right. 42 00:02:11,719 --> 00:02:13,759 Speaker 2: And to set the framework for today, we need to 43 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,560 clarify our lens. We're pulling from reports by renowned archaeologists, 44 00:02:17,719 --> 00:02:22,159 deeply preserved indigenous lore and researchers analyzing sites all over the. 45 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:26,439 Speaker 1: World, from the outback of Australia to Italy, from India 46 00:02:26,439 --> 00:02:27,719 to Hawaii exactly. 47 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,319 Speaker 2: And you know, mainstream history usually views these carvings just 48 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,400 as mythology, right, like allegories for the weather, yeah, seasonal 49 00:02:34,439 --> 00:02:38,080 shifts or spiritual concepts. But we are deliberately stepping outside 50 00:02:38,159 --> 00:02:38,639 that today. 51 00:02:38,759 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: We really are. We're looking through the lens of ancient 52 00:02:41,159 --> 00:02:44,960 astronaut theory. Because why is the visual syntax, the specific 53 00:02:45,039 --> 00:02:49,800 mechanical detail so insanely consistent across isolated cultures. 54 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,719 Speaker 2: Culture is separated by thousands of miles of ocean and 55 00:02:52,759 --> 00:02:54,879 millennia of time. It's the big question. 56 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: And I want to push back on that mainstream allegorical 57 00:02:57,719 --> 00:03:00,479 view right out of the gate, because the mechanical speicity 58 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:04,280 we're going to see today completely defies the whole It 59 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,599 was just a thunderstorm explanation, oh absolutely. I mean, we 60 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,919 are looking at the mechanics of landings in Australia, subterranean 61 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:16,520 zones in India, metallurgy in Italy, and the actual physics 62 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,560 of space time traversal in Hawaii. 63 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 2: It's a highly technical global map, it is. 64 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: So let's ground this by looking at the oldest continuous 65 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,759 cultural memories on the planet. We're starting deep inside the 66 00:03:28,759 --> 00:03:30,439 Brisbane Water National Park in. 67 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 2: Australia, specifically the Bulgandry Preservation site. 68 00:03:34,319 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: Right, and the timeline here is just well, it challenges everything, 69 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:39,039 it really does. 70 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,159 Speaker 2: We're talking about carvings estimated to be between eight thousand 71 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:43,479 and ten thousand years. 72 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: Old, which is crazy to think about. That's a geological 73 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,479 epoch before they even started quarrying the stones for the 74 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:50,639 Great Pyramid. 75 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 2: Of Giza, long before. And at this site we encounter 76 00:03:53,199 --> 00:03:55,680 the lore of a creator being named Bami. 77 00:03:55,719 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: As detailed by Aboriginal elder Kevin Gaby Duncan. 78 00:03:58,479 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 2: Right exactly, this secifix of his origins elevate this from 79 00:04:02,319 --> 00:04:04,280 just a standard creation myth to what looks like an 80 00:04:04,319 --> 00:04:05,680 eyewitness account. 81 00:04:05,319 --> 00:04:08,719 Speaker 1: Because he didn't just manifest from thin air. He arrived 82 00:04:08,719 --> 00:04:10,719 from a specific coordinate. 83 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,199 Speaker 2: Right, the morning Star within what they call Mira Buca. 84 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,439 Speaker 1: And if you look at the linguistics, Mirrabuoka translates to 85 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:17,120 the river. 86 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 2: Of stars, a milky way. 87 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. So This entity is explicitly categorized as coming from 88 00:04:21,959 --> 00:04:24,720 a specific celestial coordinate system in. 89 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 2: Our galaxy, and the physical carvings matching this oral history 90 00:04:28,639 --> 00:04:33,319 are remarkably detailed. We see a large humanoid figure, arms. 91 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,639 Speaker 1: Outstretched holding the moon right, Yes. 92 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,639 Speaker 2: The moon in one hand and a morning star which 93 00:04:38,639 --> 00:04:41,120 they describe as resembling Earth in the other, along with 94 00:04:41,199 --> 00:04:42,040 two other moons. 95 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: But the really critical data point is how he arrived 96 00:04:46,319 --> 00:04:48,920 the Low States. He navigated the Milky Way in a 97 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,079 canoe and landed on Mount. 98 00:04:50,959 --> 00:04:54,639 Speaker 2: Yango, which brings us to the lack of vocabulary phenomena. Right. 99 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,079 Speaker 1: Exactly, if you're a hunter gatherer and you see a 100 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:01,240 high thrust aerospace vehicle, you don't have words for titanium 101 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:02,439 or gravity fields. 102 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,959 Speaker 2: You use the only mode of transport you understand that 103 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,680 navigates fluid dynamics, a canoe. 104 00:05:07,399 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: Right, a canoe traversing the river of the night sky. 105 00:05:10,879 --> 00:05:13,439 But the landing on Mount Yengo is what strips away 106 00:05:13,439 --> 00:05:18,319 the whole romantic ethereal interpretation because it was violent, violently chaotic, 107 00:05:18,959 --> 00:05:23,680 deafening noise, blinding, smoke and fire that literally scorched the 108 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:24,480 mountaintop and. 109 00:05:24,519 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 2: Left a brilliant fire trail upon departure. 110 00:05:27,079 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: I mean, think about it. That is a one to 111 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:34,879 one behavioral match for a SpaceX rocket touching down, the 112 00:05:34,959 --> 00:05:37,959 blinding light, the roar, the scorched earth. 113 00:05:38,199 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 2: It's a precise documentation of thrust mechanics and acoustic shock. 114 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: But skeptics will say it's just a metaphor for a meteorite. 115 00:05:45,199 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 2: Which fails when you apply basic comparative linguistics. A meteorite 116 00:05:48,959 --> 00:05:52,000 doesn't sail a navigable craft, No it doesn't, And a 117 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,120 thunderstorm doesn't have a point of origin, land interact and 118 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,439 then launch back up, leaving a propulsion trail exactly. 119 00:05:58,519 --> 00:06:01,879 Speaker 1: And Elder Duncan specifically ors to these carvings as literal 120 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,199 books of truth. They view this as a historical ledger. 121 00:06:05,079 --> 00:06:06,439 Speaker 2: Not camp fire fairy tales. 122 00:06:06,639 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: Right, there's this pervasive arrogance in modern Western academia that 123 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:15,680 infantilizes ancient cultures. We assume that because they weren't industrialized, 124 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:17,439 they couldn't be objective journalists. 125 00:06:17,519 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 2: But if you strip away that bias, you see a 126 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,160 culture desperately trying to leave a permanent record of a 127 00:06:22,199 --> 00:06:23,480 traumatic physical event. 128 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: They use the absolute limits of their vocabulary to describe 129 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:28,279 thermal dynamics and. 130 00:06:28,399 --> 00:06:32,959 Speaker 2: Consider the psychological weight. You don't dedicate massive caloric resources 131 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,879 to carve intricate figures into sandstone for a passing shooting star. 132 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 1: No way. It implies profound significance. The fact that the 133 00:06:41,759 --> 00:06:44,879 story of his Fiery Canoes survived ten thousand years of 134 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,120 world transmission with such granular consistency. 135 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,959 Speaker 2: It speaks to the traumatic nature of the encounter. It 136 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,759 scarred their cultural psyche. 137 00:06:53,319 --> 00:06:56,199 Speaker 1: Just like its guarded top of Mount Yango, which makes 138 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:00,800 the geographic anomalies of this region even more baffling because 139 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,160 right there in the same park there's another set. 140 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:04,759 Speaker 2: Of carvings, the Gosford Glyphs. 141 00:07:04,959 --> 00:07:08,439 Speaker 1: Yes, and they utterly shatter are accept a timeline of 142 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:09,160 human migration. 143 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,519 Speaker 2: They're one of the most contentious archaeological debates out there. 144 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:17,160 Two massive eight foot high sandstone walls hidden in the bush. 145 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,639 Speaker 1: Containing over three hundred deeply incized. 146 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 2: Symbols, and they don't look indigenous at all. 147 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: No, they look like Egyptian hieroglyphs proto Egyptian dating roughly 148 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:26,439 to forty six. 149 00:07:26,399 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 2: Hundred years ago, which challenges the mainstream claim that Australia 150 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,879 was completely isolated until European explorers showed up. 151 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,759 Speaker 1: Right, and you have a twenty first century egyptologist, Ray Johnson, 152 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,199 who actually translated them, and it was verified by doctor 153 00:07:40,199 --> 00:07:41,920 Abu Diegazi. 154 00:07:41,759 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 2: Confirming the grammar and style matched early Dynastic Egyptian writing. 155 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:50,399 Speaker 1: It tells a specific story. Two Egyptian princes shipwrecked. One 156 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,399 Lord Neferti rou died of a snake bite and was 157 00:07:53,399 --> 00:07:54,079 interred there. 158 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: Those walls are his memorial cenotaph. 159 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:01,639 Speaker 1: But the logitical implications an early Egyptian fleet crossing the Indian. 160 00:08:01,319 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 2: Ocean staggering, but not impossible given their knowledge of celestial 161 00:08:05,199 --> 00:08:06,199 navigation and currents. 162 00:08:06,439 --> 00:08:10,399 Speaker 1: But why? Researcher Evan Strong argues they were seeking esoteric 163 00:08:10,439 --> 00:08:11,800 wisdom from the Aboriginals. 164 00:08:12,079 --> 00:08:15,439 Speaker 2: Right. Egyptians were obsessed with cosmological cycles. If they knew 165 00:08:15,439 --> 00:08:18,279 about a culture recording sky heroes for thousands of years, 166 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:19,519 they'd want that knowledge. 167 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: I got to interject here, though, play devil's advocate. If 168 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,319 a high ranking Egyptian royal mounts a highly dangerous oceanic 169 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,480 expedition in twenty six hundred BC, isn't it far more 170 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,159 likely they were just looking for hard resources. 171 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 2: Like copper or gold. 172 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, crossing the ocean just to chat about the stars seems, 173 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,759 I don't know, highly inefficient for a bronze a jumpire. 174 00:08:38,919 --> 00:08:43,039 Speaker 2: It's a valid materialist critique. But for the Egyptians, the 175 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,679 material and the esoteric weren't decoupled. Sacred knowledge was a 176 00:08:46,759 --> 00:08:48,960 vital resource to maintain cosmic order. 177 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:50,159 Speaker 1: Okay, fair point. 178 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,879 Speaker 2: If the Aboriginals held the books of Biome detailing the 179 00:08:53,919 --> 00:08:57,559 mechanics of sky gods, that would be infinitely more valuable 180 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,320 to the priesthood than a copper vein. 181 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: Let's unpack this further then, because there is a specific 182 00:09:02,759 --> 00:09:06,480 syntactical anomaly on those walls, the UFO. 183 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 2: Glyph yes hidden among the standard hieroglyphs. 184 00:09:09,399 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: It's this undeniable saucer shape with downward radiating lines. Skeptics 185 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,559 say it's just ancient jewelry, like a stylized pendem. Isn't 186 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:19,480 it human nature to see what we want to see? 187 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 2: Sure, paradolia is real, But that argument falls apart when 188 00:09:22,879 --> 00:09:26,320 you look at Egyptian memorial art rules the esthetic cannons exactly. 189 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:30,159 It was brutally strict. Every symbol had a defined proportion 190 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:34,200 and orientation. This saucer shape is carved upside down relative 191 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:35,679 to typical jewelry motifs. 192 00:09:35,799 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: Oh wow, I didn't know that. 193 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, it completely breaks the established syntactical flow. It's an 194 00:09:41,879 --> 00:09:44,840 anomaly within an anomaly. It's a semiotic disruption. 195 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 1: So the artists deliberately broke their own sacred rules to 196 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,360 record something outside their lexicon. 197 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 2: Precisely, you have Egyptians stranded with an indigenous culture that 198 00:09:55,399 --> 00:09:59,000 has a ten thousand year history of glowing flying canoes. 199 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,600 Ourboriginals probably shared this. 200 00:10:01,799 --> 00:10:05,039 Speaker 1: And the Egyptian scribes tried to reconcile it by carving 201 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:09,320 the vehicle precisely as described, a disk emitting energy. 202 00:10:09,039 --> 00:10:11,799 Speaker 2: Disrupting their own memorial text to include it. 203 00:10:12,039 --> 00:10:17,399 Speaker 1: That is a staggering historical tableau, a Bronze Age superpower 204 00:10:17,639 --> 00:10:21,039 and an ancient hunter gatherer society cross referencing notes on 205 00:10:21,399 --> 00:10:23,120 estraterrestrial contact in the outback. 206 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:23,759 Speaker 2: It really is. 207 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,799 Speaker 1: But while Australia gives us these massive open air chronicles, 208 00:10:26,799 --> 00:10:30,840 it leaves a huge operational question right the environment exactly? 209 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,639 If you're establishing a presence here, a mountaintop landing is 210 00:10:34,799 --> 00:10:37,919 highly inefficient for long term observation. You wouldn't rely on 211 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,919 surface camps exposed to extreme weather. 212 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,879 Speaker 2: You would seek absolute environmental stability. 213 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: Which perfectly explains the sudden geographical shift in our sources. 214 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,200 We have to leave the surface and travel deep underground 215 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:50,559 into central India. 216 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,279 Speaker 2: To the Tarama region in Chattascar right. 217 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: It's rugged, remote, highly inaccessible. In twenty fourteen, archaeologist J. R. 218 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,480 Bagatt found this extensive network of cave paintings. 219 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,519 Speaker 2: Dated right around the same ten thousand year mark as 220 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:04,720 the Biam carvings. 221 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: But the visual deity here is way more clinical and 222 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,159 honestly kind of disturbing. 223 00:11:10,279 --> 00:11:10,799 Speaker 2: Carrie. 224 00:11:10,919 --> 00:11:15,039 Speaker 1: Deep in these pitch black caves they painted tall bipedal 225 00:11:15,159 --> 00:11:19,159 humanoid figures with absolutely no facial features. 226 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 2: No nose, no mouth, just blank visages. 227 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: And hovering next to them are these distinct spherical craft 228 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,159 with three landing. 229 00:11:25,879 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 2: Legs tripods essentially. And we have to cross references with 230 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:33,159 local tribal lore about entities called the Rohila. 231 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: The small statued beings who came from the sky in 232 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:36,799 round objects. 233 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 2: And occasionally took villagers away who were never seen again. 234 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,759 Speaker 1: We're talking about a ten thousand year old abduction narrative. 235 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,399 It matches modern close encounter reports with terrifying precision. 236 00:11:45,639 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 2: And if you scale out to the macro level textual 237 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:55,000 history of India, the Vedas, the Mahabarada, the Vimanas exactly 238 00:11:55,639 --> 00:11:59,879 highly technical descriptions of aerial warfare and advanced aerospace vehicles. 239 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: The detail propulsion, gyroscopes, metallurgy. The cave paintings are like 240 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,600 the prehistoric visual precursor to those texts, and. 241 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 2: The choice of location deep underground is key. Caves in 242 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:16,919 ancient cosmology are luminal points, thresholds where the human world 243 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:18,399 meets the realm of the gods. 244 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,759 Speaker 1: I'd argue it's even more practical than that. It's about 245 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,720 data preservation. Think about it like a modern day iMac 246 00:12:24,799 --> 00:12:26,440 theater or a secure bunker. 247 00:12:26,879 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 2: Right, you don't paint your most profound experiences on a leaf, exactly. 248 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: You put it in the bulk of the earth where 249 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,840 it survives from millennia. You endure the smoke, the darkness, 250 00:12:34,919 --> 00:12:36,759 the treacherous terrain to record this. 251 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 2: But the source material suggests a darker alternative. 252 00:12:40,039 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: Right, were they painting them there because that's where they 253 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:42,360 saw them? 254 00:12:42,399 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 2: Did the Rohila actually utilize subterranean bases? 255 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: It shifts the whole paradigm if you need a staging 256 00:12:48,399 --> 00:12:52,279 ground shielded from surface weather and primitive humans, deep cave 257 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,279 networks are the logical choice, and. 258 00:12:54,279 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 2: The abduction lore could stem from humans accidentally breaching these 259 00:12:58,159 --> 00:13:02,320 luminal zones, stumbling into active installations. 260 00:13:01,639 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: And being removed for operational security. And what shatters the 261 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:09,240 whole hallucination theory for me is the global consistency. 262 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 2: The morphology of the beings. 263 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,799 Speaker 1: Yes, you cross the ocean back to Australia, the Kimberly region, 264 00:13:14,519 --> 00:13:15,639 the wan Gina cave. 265 00:13:15,519 --> 00:13:18,639 Speaker 2: Paintings, massive heads, large black eyes. 266 00:13:18,799 --> 00:13:22,919 Speaker 1: No mouths, a morphological twin to the Tarama figures. And 267 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,159 then you go to Algeria the Tasselin nag Or Plateau, 268 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,039 same exact, faceless, bulbous headed entities. 269 00:13:30,159 --> 00:13:34,879 Speaker 2: The mathematical probability of isolated cultures independently hallucinating the exact 270 00:13:34,919 --> 00:13:37,039 same anatomical anomaly is near zero. 271 00:13:37,279 --> 00:13:40,919 Speaker 1: It's staggering. It's like thousands of independent journalists covering the 272 00:13:40,919 --> 00:13:42,360 same event in local dialects. 273 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,639 Speaker 2: They weren't imagining a spirit, they were rendering a biological 274 00:13:45,759 --> 00:13:47,039 or biomechanical entity. 275 00:13:47,159 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: But you know, these figures are still kind of abstract physiologically, 276 00:13:50,279 --> 00:13:53,480 they lack fine mechanical detail, where is the actual gear. 277 00:13:53,399 --> 00:13:55,879 Speaker 2: The life support or localized propulsion. 278 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: Right to find the actual blueprints, we have to move 279 00:13:58,639 --> 00:14:00,799 out of the caves and climb into the Alps of 280 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:05,480 northern Italy. Falcamonica yes, a massive UNESCO site with hundreds 281 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,480 of thousands of rock figures. 282 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 2: And researchers like William Henry and Luca Garelli found a 283 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:14,360 highly concentrated subset of carvings there that break the technological 284 00:14:14,399 --> 00:14:15,960 timeline because. 285 00:14:15,639 --> 00:14:18,919 Speaker 1: Amidst the deer and warriors, there are these humanoid entities 286 00:14:19,279 --> 00:14:23,600 wearing enclosed mechanical helmets, spacemen, and. 287 00:14:23,519 --> 00:14:30,279 Speaker 2: The visual fidelity is incredible. Distinct structural lines to suggesting visors, ventilation, ribbing. 288 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,919 Speaker 1: And radiating lines indicating they were emitting light or energy 289 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,200 active technology. 290 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:37,559 Speaker 2: And right above them the communion rows. 291 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:42,039 Speaker 1: Yes, nineteen instances of this mysterious first millennium BC symbol 292 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,600 nine dots in a symmetrical circular pattern. 293 00:14:44,679 --> 00:14:48,679 Speaker 2: It resembles a spinning gyroscopically stabilized disc and the five 294 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,480 pointed stars representing energy descending from the stars. 295 00:14:51,879 --> 00:14:53,759 Speaker 1: And to really decode this we have to look at 296 00:14:53,759 --> 00:14:56,919 the local mythology. Turin is just one hundred and fifty five. 297 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 2: Miles away, founded after faithOn, son of Helios descended in 298 00:15:00,279 --> 00:15:01,799 a fiery chariot. 299 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: And crashed into a mountain, and then top metallurgy to 300 00:15:04,279 --> 00:15:04,799 the locals. 301 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 2: If you strip away the poetry, sun, gods and chariots, 302 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:08,919 what is the sequence of events? 303 00:15:09,159 --> 00:15:13,679 Speaker 1: You have an aerospace vehicle suffering catastrophic mechanical failure, it crashes. 304 00:15:14,279 --> 00:15:19,320 The surviving non human occupant initiates a localized technological transfer 305 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,440 with the indigenous population. 306 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:25,039 Speaker 2: Teaching them to extract and manipulate complex metals. It's a 307 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,440 textbook UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering event. 308 00:15:28,679 --> 00:15:31,879 Speaker 1: It really is. And the massive concentration of carvings at 309 00:15:31,919 --> 00:15:36,440 Valkemonica suggests it was a recognized crash site, a pilgrimage spot. 310 00:15:36,559 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 2: But the most crucial piece of data isn't on the 311 00:15:38,639 --> 00:15:39,480 main tourist trail. 312 00:15:39,519 --> 00:15:42,279 Speaker 1: Here's where it gets really interesting for you listening. They 313 00:15:42,399 --> 00:15:46,679 found a carving entirely off the path on a highly dangerous, 314 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:48,039 unstable cliff edge. 315 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,759 Speaker 2: Two large spacemen wearing glowing helmets mirroring each other. 316 00:15:52,039 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: Right, why carve the most detailed representation on a sheer 317 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,360 cliff face where no one can easily see it. 318 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 2: Location dictates function exactly. 319 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,799 Speaker 1: I look at it like compartmentalized intelligence. You don't post 320 00:16:02,879 --> 00:16:05,759 stealth bomber schematics on a public boltimboard. You put them 321 00:16:05,799 --> 00:16:08,279 in an seif a secure facility. 322 00:16:07,879 --> 00:16:09,279 Speaker 2: An initiatory site. 323 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: This wasn't the billboard for everyone to see. It was 324 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,039 a top secret briefing room. Only select initiates were brought 325 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:16,960 up that dangerous path to learn the truth. 326 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 2: This is what they actually looked like. This is the 327 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:20,039 secret of the transfer. 328 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: Standing on the edge of that alpine cliff, looking at 329 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:27,360 these glowing mechanical visors carved into granite, you're reading a 330 00:16:27,399 --> 00:16:29,039 classified briefing document. 331 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 2: It implies the knowledge was volatile, sacred, or dangerous to 332 00:16:33,039 --> 00:16:34,519 the uninitiated psyche. 333 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: Absolutely. So let's summarize the global architecture. So far. We've 334 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:42,840 got thrust mechanics in Australia, subterranean bases in India, technological 335 00:16:42,879 --> 00:16:45,519 transfer and classified blueprints in Italy. 336 00:16:45,639 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 2: But there is a massive theoretical void. 337 00:16:48,039 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: Right, How did they traverse the unimaginable distances of space? 338 00:16:51,679 --> 00:16:53,679 How do you get to this tiny blue rock. 339 00:16:53,919 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 2: To answer that, we have to look at the underlying 340 00:16:56,039 --> 00:16:57,600 physics of our final destination. 341 00:16:58,039 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: We're heading to the volcanic shores of Hawaii. 342 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:04,319 Speaker 2: This is a profound analytical shift, moving from archaeology to 343 00:17:04,599 --> 00:17:06,880 theoretical astrophysics and geophysics. 344 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: Specifically, the Puloa petroglyph field twenty three thousand works of 345 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:13,839 art carved into hardened lava rock. 346 00:17:14,079 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 2: And researchers like David Childress and doctor Michael Sala found 347 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:19,440 an immediate comparative anomaly. 348 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 1: The humanoid figures are morphologically identical to the undeciphered Wrongo 349 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:26,200 Rongo script of Easter. 350 00:17:26,039 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 2: Island, which is forty five hundred miles away. Standard historical 351 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:34,640 models say primitive maritime technology couldn't support that level of communication, 352 00:17:34,799 --> 00:17:35,160 no way. 353 00:17:35,799 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: But the shared script is just the surface. The field 354 00:17:39,319 --> 00:17:42,599 is dominated by concentric circles and spirals. 355 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 2: And if you ask Hawaiian elders or Native American tribes 356 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:49,200 with similar syntax, these aren't decorative. They represent concentrated energy. 357 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: Fields portals gateways to other dimensions. 358 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:56,279 Speaker 2: Which is where ancient indigenous cosmology intersects with advanced theoretical physics. 359 00:17:56,559 --> 00:18:01,279 They are functionally describing an Einstein rosenbridge, but. 360 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: The energy required to stabilize one of those using exotic 361 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:08,160 matter with negative energy density is mathematically staggering. You can't 362 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,160 just power that with a standard generator. 363 00:18:10,279 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 2: The energy requirements are planetary and scale, and that is 364 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,599 why Hawaii's geological composition is the key. 365 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,799 Speaker 1: Because the Earth isn't just inert rock. It's a massive 366 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:20,680 electromagnetic dynamo. 367 00:18:20,599 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 2: And Hawaii sits on a powerful, continuous undersea magma hotspot, 368 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,720 the basaltic rock. There is dense and reach in crystalline structures, 369 00:18:29,759 --> 00:18:31,160 primarily quartz. 370 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 1: Which introduces the piece of electric effects exactly for those listening. 371 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,240 The piece of electric effect is when solid crystalline materials 372 00:18:37,319 --> 00:18:41,440 generate a massive electrical charge under applied mechanical stress. 373 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 2: And in Hawaii you have millions of tons of quartz 374 00:18:45,519 --> 00:18:49,480 rich basalt under immense tectonic pressure and surging magma. 375 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:53,079 Speaker 1: It's an entire island chain acting as a colossal natural 376 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:58,440 piezo electric generator producing a localized, incredibly dense electromagnetic field. 377 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,799 Speaker 2: If a highly advanced intele jens understands how to manipulate 378 00:19:01,839 --> 00:19:05,680 the theoretical bridge between electromagnetism and gravity, they. 379 00:19:05,559 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: Wouldn't expend energy punching a hole randomly in the void. 380 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:09,599 They'd use the natural grid. 381 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 2: The immense piezoelectric field could theoretically act as an acoustic 382 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,759 resonance chamber, tuning the local magnetic field to anchor a 383 00:19:16,799 --> 00:19:17,799 space time bridge. 384 00:19:17,839 --> 00:19:21,799 Speaker 1: It's the ultimate synthesis of geology and astrophysics. Hawaii isn't 385 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,359 just an island. It's a cosmic subway terminal. 386 00:19:24,079 --> 00:19:25,759 Speaker 2: A literal geophysical portal. 387 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 1: If you wanted to travel the galaxy, you wouldn't just 388 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,160 land anywhere. You'd land where the natural physics of the 389 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:32,480 Earth gave you a runway. 390 00:19:32,519 --> 00:19:35,559 Speaker 2: And that aligns perfectly with ancient Hawaiian beliefs that the 391 00:19:35,599 --> 00:19:38,960 island was a birthing and travel hub for humanity. 392 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: It totally resolves the Easter Island anomaly too. 393 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,039 Speaker 2: Right if Puloa was the central anchor point for a 394 00:19:45,079 --> 00:19:48,759 portal network, cultural data like the Wrongo Wrongo script would 395 00:19:48,839 --> 00:19:50,359 instantly disseminate. 396 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 1: Completely bypassing the need for one thousand mile canoe voyages. 397 00:19:53,759 --> 00:19:57,640 They were utilizing these geologic energy hubs for instant traversal. 398 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 2: The rocks were generating the voltage necessary to warp space time, 399 00:20:01,559 --> 00:20:05,480 and the Shamans carved mathematically precise spirals to say this 400 00:20:05,519 --> 00:20:06,480 is the locus point. 401 00:20:06,599 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: This is where the gravity field fractures. It grounds the 402 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:11,839 whole episode in tangible physics. 403 00:20:11,839 --> 00:20:13,599 Speaker 2: It's a dense, massive amount of data. 404 00:20:13,799 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: Let's review the thrilling threads we've woven today. Biam's fiery 405 00:20:18,079 --> 00:20:22,359 landings in Australia, out of place, Egyptian royals, recording saucer. 406 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 2: Craft, India's underground vaults, detailing faceless bipedal entities. 407 00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:30,799 Speaker 1: Italy's cliff side spacemen and crash retrievals, and finally, the 408 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,880 electromagnetic wormholes of Hawaii. 409 00:20:33,279 --> 00:20:38,079 Speaker 2: When you aggregate these data points across linguistics, geology, astrophysics, 410 00:20:38,079 --> 00:20:41,319 and archaeology, the conclusion is profound. 411 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:42,519 Speaker 1: It really is. 412 00:20:42,599 --> 00:20:46,519 Speaker 2: Whether you view this as literal extraterrestrial history or complex 413 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:51,039 human psychology. The mathematical consistency is awe inspiring. 414 00:20:51,279 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: It forces us to question our assumptions about our isolation 415 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,359 in the universe. Our ancestors weren't primitive children frightened by thunder. 416 00:20:58,839 --> 00:21:00,079 They were acute. 417 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:04,519 Speaker 2: Observd desperately trying to transmit highly technical data across deep time. 418 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,079 Speaker 1: They left us the ultimate data gash. And that brings 419 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,240 me to a final, slightly unsettling thought that I want 420 00:21:11,279 --> 00:21:15,559 you to process We've spent this entire discussion looking backward 421 00:21:15,759 --> 00:21:18,079 at ten thousand year old rock. But what if we 422 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,680 apply this framework to the present moment. What if the 423 00:21:21,799 --> 00:21:26,440 intense localized geologic conditions that create these resonance chambers, the 424 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:30,839 magma hot spots, the piezoelectric fields are still totally active, 425 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:32,400 humming away under our feet right now. 426 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 2: The physical infrastructure hasn't changed. The resonance is still there, 427 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,319 waiting for the correct frequency exactly. 428 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,519 Speaker 1: What if the anchor points never degraded. What if the 429 00:21:41,559 --> 00:21:44,359 doors are still perfectly functional, and we, in our modern 430 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,680 technological arrogance, have just forgotten how to read the instruction 431 00:21:47,759 --> 00:21:49,160 manuals carved into the stone. 432 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:50,559 Speaker 2: That is a chilling thought. 433 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 1: So where do you stand when you look at the 434 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:58,039 mechanical specificity of Buyme's landing, the classified SCIFs of vel Camonica, 435 00:21:58,559 --> 00:22:02,599 and the physics of the Hawaiians? Do you think these 436 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,680 global rock kartings are mankind's oldest eyewitness journalism or. 437 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 2: Does incredible coincidences of human imagination? 438 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,079 Speaker 1: We want to know what you think. Drop a comment 439 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,599 below and share your theory with us. We love seeing 440 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,519 how you process this level of complex info. Thank you 441 00:22:17,519 --> 00:22:20,599 for bringing your curiosity to the table today. Keep questioning 442 00:22:20,599 --> 00:22:23,240 the established narrative, keep your eyes on the skies, and 443 00:22:23,279 --> 00:22:25,440 we will see you next time on Thrilling Threads.