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Speaker 1: Coopers fans. Welcome to Season three, episode fifteen, Weird Vibes

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of Clips and Different that these guys there are weird vibes.

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I'm Chuck Mackler, Will Updike, who was commenting on the

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indeed weird Vibes, is here. Adam Oslin is here. We

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are Clips and Dip. Thank you for watching, Thank you

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for listening to us. We have some pertinent stuff to

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talk about, not fun stuff to talk about. Before we

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get into it, We're gonna be talking to Kawhi procedures,

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the variety of things they've done to his knee, the

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timeline that doesn't exist. We'll get into all that before

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we do. Adam, Will, how are you guys doing on

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this balmy September evening? Doing? Doing pretty good? Doing pretty good.

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Speaker 2: I gotta some vacation coming up, and it just hit

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me like how much shit I have.

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Speaker 1: To get in place for that to go off. So sure,

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Professionally I'm fine. Personally I'm great, all right, Adam, how

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are you doing?

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Speaker 3: Personally miserable? But professionally I'm all right. Okay, I'm not surprised.

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Speaker 1: What are you not surprised about?

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Speaker 3: Where I'm at?

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Speaker 1: Good Lord, you guys, do we need to start over?

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: I think there's a there's a palpable numbness in the

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air from clippers uh, the clippers fear. I feel like

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there was a Lawrence Frank TYLERU presser. Yesterday. We learned

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that there's no timetable for Kwhi coming back. We learned,

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which could mean anything. Though sure think about it. This

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is a big test of will. If you're near to

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the show, will has been pounding the table that this

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is our year. This one is the first time I

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felt it. This has made me put that to the test.

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The surgery happened in May. There's encouraging thing is that

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the team in Kawhi have seen progress in Kauwhi's rehabilitation

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of a knee inflammation. He's trending in the right direction.

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But no timetable.

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Speaker 2: It just does progress more or less than explosive box jumps.

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Speaker 1: Less no specifics is less to me. They can't even

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dignify us with specifics on the explosiveness of the box

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jumps or shuttle runs. I don't know. I think I'm

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having very very gallows humored vibe about this whole thing

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because we've just how many sequels to Friday the thirteenth

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are there. I believe there's eight or nine.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna go with that, Yeah, I like. I

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like the one in Oh. I was starting to think

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of Jason, so I get confused. They fought each other once. Yeah,

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is that okay? I'm thinking of Nightmare on Elm Street.

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Then this I believe.

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Speaker 2: I believe Jason takes man at is eight. I want

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to say, Okay.

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Speaker 3: I like the Jason X one whether they're in space.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so maybe so there's ten.

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Speaker 2: I think it just gets murky on how you count

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the sequels at a circu point, and.

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Speaker 3: His costume at X was way off, so I don't

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know if anyone counts that, but I liked it.

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Speaker 1: Now that we've gotten that out of the way, this

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feels like we're just on Friday the thirteenth, four or whatever.

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I'm just kind of.

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Speaker 3: Like on Wednesday burnt out, like well.

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Speaker 2: So, if my memory starves me correctly, four is actually

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about the news is where they set up that this

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new guy is going to be Jason, and then the

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fans hated it, so they had to pivot from it

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immediately at the start of five. If my memory serves

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me correctly. I could be I could be mixing up

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a couple in there.

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Speaker 1: We'll get our fact checker on that for later in

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the episode.

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Speaker 3: Is Wes Craven alive? This is how this see?

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Speaker 1: This is what happens when the quiet news comes out.

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How are you guys feeling about it? I've just been

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to this movie before, and I feel way word before

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the surgery.

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Speaker 2: Okay, to be honest with you, like, but before the surgery,

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I feel like it was way it was way, way worse.

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Speaker 3: Okay, but let me break it down. No, there's two

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things that seem to be definitive. Right, he has surgery

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in May. Nobody's discounting that, and he's still not one

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and it's almost October and nobody's discounting that.

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Speaker 1: Those are two facts.

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Speaker 3: Just let it out there.

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Speaker 1: I feel like those are two facts.

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Speaker 3: I think they are.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not that.

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Speaker 2: I feel like six months is reasonable for a timeline

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to be back at full on core activities after a procedure,

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depending on that, like, depending on the procedure.

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Speaker 1: But okay, he's only they're just working on strengthening stuff.

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not six months yet.

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Speaker 3: Wait, you from a cleanup, wake.

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Speaker 1: Me up when September. Okay, we'll wake up in seven

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days or whatever it is.

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Speaker 3: Meanwhile, in between these two things, I think what really

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confused people was he tried to go in the Olympics.

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Speaker 2: Is something like that is really puzzling.

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Speaker 1: I'm so connecsed.

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Speaker 3: That's where the confusion comes from.

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Speaker 2: And Lawrence Frank stood on that, like he stood on

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his talking point on that in this latest press conference

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that he was disappointed in the way that that whole

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thing resolved when.

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Speaker 1: Like because he was medically cleared, Kawi said, because he

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said Kawhi was medically cleared, So you're like, bye, who

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by Team USA because he was medically cleared? Like how

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was kd You know?

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Speaker 3: Law Murray brought up with me earlier today that Okay,

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the Olympics are like ten games total and he might

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only play fifteen minutes per game at most, and they're shorter,

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so yeah, forty mini games. So is the idea here.

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I think there's a real chance they are just going

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above and beyond and having an abundance of caution like

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we've never seen before. Because it's Kawhi and because this

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is the fourth year this has happened, and if that's

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the case, I am all for it. Like if you

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want to make sure even if he felt like he's

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good enough to go in training camp, even if Kawhi

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wants to do everything, You're like, it's training camp and

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your knee is in a good place right now.

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Speaker 2: So how on that as soon as that thing is

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stitched up.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's trending in the right direction. It's like they're

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working on the no drills thing. I'm like, okay, whatever,

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no drill I don't know. I'm more tense about it

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today than I was yesterday. But I also I am

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having a vaccine and flu shot hangover. But it doesn't

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feel great.

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Speaker 3: But it's not the numbness.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so both of those things are part of the numbness.

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It's not unexpected. It's not like I was like, it's

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not like I saw that Phonel whoa. I feel like surgery.

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I feel like we'd have to review some tape.

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Speaker 2: But I do feel like we have even talked about

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on this show, like it is a presumption that we

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will have Kawhi in the starting lineup on Open YEA

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like we all were trending towards I mean, like, yes,

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we think so, we hope so. But it was still

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something that we have said as like a it is

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an asterisk, like we you know, it wasn't granted, we

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we had no idea the last time we saw the

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man in competitive basketball.

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Speaker 1: It was uh, it was not great to look at. Uh,

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one of the more depressing, very very depressing.

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Speaker 2: So but I don't know, like though, I understand the disappointment,

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but like we there was never any guarantee from where

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we last saw Kawhi in competitive basketball that he would.

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Speaker 1: Be like one hundred percent good to go opening night.

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Speaker 2: That is the whole It has been a very long time.

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but I you know, I do think it is an assumption.

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It you know, it was an assumption by the greater.

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Speaker 1: Surprise is different than disappointment, Like being surprised by this

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is crazy to me that I'm like, come.

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Speaker 3: On, okay, yeah, I think where people are coming from

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is it's five months and the swelling isn't completely down yet. Right,

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that's the concern, right because last season when he got

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theminiscus surgery, Kawai talked about it at media day, like

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he was good in three weeks because we kind of

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ran the numbers because he wanted to play for Team USA.

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he had to go to and we were like, wait

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a second. So he was good in like three weeks.

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meniscus and this is cleanup and it's five months. That's

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what law told me earlier.

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Speaker 1: I don't okay. I just yeah, I just saw procedu yourselves,

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like people said scope. I was like, I don't know

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what what that could be. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: My concern is what I don't even know about yet.

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I've been kind of worried about this going back to

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April when I just heard its swelling and there was

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no even if you can say there was no video

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clip of the injury with the meniscus tear that anybody

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can definitively say this is where he towards meniscus, there

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were clips out there where people like, yeah, it was

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probably right here. There's a clip out there with Joe Ingles.

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This was an accumulation, an overused type of injury where

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the surgically repaired right knee from the meniscus from the

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ACL was starting to swell up. After sixty eight games,

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it seemed like you just hit the wall and they

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couldn't get it under control in time, even though they

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had a month almost before the playoffs started and they

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couldn't figure out a way. Maybe not a month, but

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they had about three weeks time and they couldn't figure

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out a way to get it under control. And it

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started to make me feel like this is gonna be

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something they're going to be managing going forward where it

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could just flare up because when it goes down, it's

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going down because he's not playing high level basketball. How

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is it going to be affected when he's playing five

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on five basketball, Because that's what I said the entire time, Guys,

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I'm sure he'll try to go in the playoffs. It

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depends on how he responds afterwards. It did not respond well.

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Game two looked much better than Game three. Game three

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was unbelievable compared to it was night and day even

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compared to Game two, where it looked like, hey, he

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looks looks all right, he looks rusty because he has

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played in a while, but movement wise, it kind of

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looked all right. This is my concern. This is where

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I'm coming from, where you just don't know. It's so

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unpredictable with the swelling. And that's a lot of what

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Lawrence Frank talked about it's tricky yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Which yeah, that hey, he's right about.

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Speaker 3: That, not trying to be an alarmist, but he said tricky.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the thing is is like these for the

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most part, we have like kind of reasonable timelines what

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this stuff is going to take. You know, we kind

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of have a basic understanding from the injuries and stuff.

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Speaker 1: That have come before.

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Speaker 2: But there's always weird freak stuff, right Like I think

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about the Kyrie knee injury in twenty fifteen, and it

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seemed like he was better and then the screws got

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like an infection, oh and like and that thing lingered

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for like years, man like years, and it it ended

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up taking him out for another season, like I mean

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years later until they finally figured that out. And I

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guess this is a really dark cloud hope. But a

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hope is that like maybe there was just something that

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they hadn't accounted for. Right, It's not like this was

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a regular knee procedure that he underwent, and it's still

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just completely swelling, and and they have no idea why.

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some sort of underlying thing, but they're not going to

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release because that's not the way that Kawhi deals with

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his medical stuff. But there are anomalies and there is

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stuff that happens, and I I understand the concern, and I,

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you know, could certainly couldn't give you a big argument

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if you were to say, Kawhi Leonard might never play

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playoff basketball again. But I will say that they're like,

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there are anomalies and there is stuff that we don't

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Speaker 1: Who knows, you know, like.

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Speaker 2: And when you say clean up, I like that. And

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when you say cleanup procedure, we don't even know. We

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don't even have definitive word that it was just that.

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Speaker 3: No, So a lot of guessing, a lot of conjecture,

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but the one thing we do know is surgery was

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in May, and the swelling is almost gone in September.

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Speaker 1: Was it the last one was there.

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Speaker 3: Perhaps there's no reason that would be worse.

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Speaker 1: I think if there was two surgeries, I'm just saying

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I wasn't didn't have in my hand.

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Speaker 3: Last said he doesn't believe there was any setback. So

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when people are like, well he tries, what do you mean, well,

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he tries to play for Team USA, they don't let

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him play. People are like, okay, that's within a month

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of having that surgery. We don't know when it wasn't made,

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but between a month a month and a half he

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goes to Team USA. He said there was a turning

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point two weeks before he reported for camp, and therefore

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he said, Okay, how serious could it have been of

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a surgery if he's trying to play within a month

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a month and a half later, So that sounds that

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makes it sound like a good thing, like it's not

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that big of a deal. But then we get to

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September now, late September, and it's almost gone. The swelling

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is it's just CONFUSINGA told us that you could play

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or try to play in the Olympics, but then training

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camp you can't participate in anything four months later, right, okay?

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Speaker 2: But like two things about that a is some of

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that just posturing, like him really demanding on the Team

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USA thing. This isn't a knock on Kawhi, but I mean,

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it's it's one of those. It's one of those things.

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He's also a guy who's gonna say I mean.

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Speaker 3: But like we saw a video.

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Speaker 2: I know, but look at game three he said he

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was fine to play then too, he couldn't come down

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from the fucking rim, Like, what what are we doing here?

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Speaker 3: I I'm just saying.

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Speaker 1: For the surgery.

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Speaker 2: He was probably like, yes, I'm ready to play. I'm

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ready to play Olympic basketball.

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Speaker 3: I understand players are always going to say that, but

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at first, all the talking points where he looks good,

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Kawhi looks good out there, but what are they supposed

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to say, Well, you couldn't look like share or we

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don't think that he looked good enough.

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Speaker 1: That's like, I just I don't think you can.

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Speaker 3: That from the video we saw. Did he look bad

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with Team USA? He's playing five on five scrimmage stuff

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like that's five on five scrimmage seems to be more

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intensive to me that I would assume drills would be

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months later at training camp.

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Speaker 1: That's a wave of his no five on five during

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summer rule too.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they're only doing knee drills so he's not participating

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in those.

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Speaker 1: I turned dribbling on their knees. I just I think,

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but well, I think you are right. Like the only

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hope is like maybe it's not so bad. That's like

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that's the only thing we kind of have right now. Hey,

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Nico is going to be a great opening night for

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We're gonna play fundamental basketball to start the season right

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off the bat and into it, which is great and okay,

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but we just hope.

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Speaker 2: I just also want to talk about, like, what was

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your realistic expectation.

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Speaker 1: No One.

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Speaker 3: This time five months later? That was great, but that

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reasonable to not expect swelling five months after surgery.

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Speaker 2: But how does this affect the overall, like the over

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under of how many games you thought he was gonna

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play coming into this.

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Speaker 3: Well, last year he participated everything in training camp and

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he's coming off the meniscus, and that was encouraging. It

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was apparently one of the hardest training camps ever. Coach

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who kept sus every year the two years.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was more pointed this year. I thought

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they said.

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Speaker 3: They've ran harder than ever and the year before that

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law said that was an unseerious training camp compared to

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what we just saw this past season in twenty twenty

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three heading into the twenty three to twenty four season.

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Speaker 2: But didn't they just say that this training camp was

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like the hardest training camp ever?

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Speaker 3: No what they would started yet there is no train

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camp yet, there's.

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Speaker 1: No training training camp. Okay, well, gold posts are moving now.

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Speaker 3: Would you not feel better if they said Kawhi is

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a participating fully in trading camp that now is all basking.

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Speaker 2: No, it's a long season, better to start late.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, maybe you're right. I admire and this is

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what it's about. Like I'm not. I still think there's

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a real good chance. All this is about is a

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guy who has been through injuries four straight years in

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a row, and they are being so overly cautious with him,

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as they should be, And there's still a great chance

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he's going to be available opening night as long as

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everything goes according to plan and his knee responds. That

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his knee has to respond, well, nobody can predict it

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because they don't know how his knee is going to

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respond to training.

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Speaker 1: That sound you hears me knocking on wood because again,

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we've seen a couple of these movies. Not a fun ending.

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I do like Will's point about, like, I don't know

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if this does change the amount of games I thought

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he would play. I would feel better obviously if he

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was participating in camp. But I wonder because he's not

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playing sixty five Again, anyone who thought that that would

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be ambitious? Did you think that?

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Speaker 3: Adam?

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Speaker 2: I thought we were all on record saying there's no

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way he plays as many games as he plays.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which was sixty eight. But I think we still felt, like,

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you know, sixty plus games. We have thrown that out.

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A ton of we can get from Kawhi.

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Speaker 1: Fifty would be phenomenal, that would be great.

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Speaker 3: Well, here's here's what I'm The number we kept throwing

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out was if he's not playing any of the back

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to backs, that already puts him at sixty six. So

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then where do you go from there? And right now

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it feels like there's a zero percent chance he's gonna

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be playing back to backs because there's two right away.

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Speaker 1: Oh, there's if he plays back to backs.

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Speaker 3: So Lawrence Frank is being asked about that and he's like, yeah,

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we're not projecting that yet until we know where he's

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at and then we'll have a plan. It's just like,

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I don't think he's playing back to backs, Like, what

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are we talking about?

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Speaker 1: He can't.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's test it out with a back to back

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in the first week of the season. Let's see how

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it goes. Yeah, there's I think for for of their

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first six games occur in a back to back fashion.

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Speaker 2: Counterpoint, I start out the start out of the game

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with the back to back. He got a lot of

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time to pivot. You got a lot of time to react.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. October twenty six, twenty seventh, October thirty thirty

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of them thirty first that's crazy.

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Speaker 3: What I hope is when he is let's say he

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makes it through all the drills and he goes through

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all the hoops and checks all the boxes and training camp,

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he can start faster than he did coming off the

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A c L. Because remember how few minutes he was playing,

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and at first he was coming off the bench. I

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don't think he's coming off the bench anymore because he

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said no, no, no, we killed that. That was just yeah,

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that was that was tough deal. But what if he

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just ramps up really slowly, and he's playing fifteen minutes

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twenty minutes, not playing back to backs. You're getting Kawhi

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in once a week. You know that that's probably not

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out of the Roman possibility right now.

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Speaker 1: I said that, I hope they somehow revolutionized load management

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this year with Kawhi on this show, and I think

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they have to, and so I expect, Yeah, I fully expect,

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Like there's gonna be a bunch of weird stuff. We're

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gonna the injury report is going to be very busy

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this year, and we're never gonna know if it's serious

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or not, or if it's to help out, you know

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what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Like James Harden's reportedly in the best shape of his life.

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Speaker 1: Though that I'm lilove. We're definitely gonna talk about James

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Harden and what they kind of talked about with the

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offense and stuff. I'm very excited for James Harden. We

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need him to be great given this Kawai news. So

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we're gonna do an Updike fun check later. But any

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last words on the Kawhi news from yesterday before we

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get into starting spots being up for grabs, which kind

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of made me flip out. Terrence Man extension talk and

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some other stuff. Anything else left?

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Speaker 2: Can you use a starter like an MLB closer?

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Speaker 1: What do you mean? You know? Like why just plays

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a few minutes every game?

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Speaker 2: He doesn't start playing full game ofad minutes till after

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the All Star break and then he plays full playoffs?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Like, can you just only bring him in

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for the second half? No? You still you.

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Speaker 2: Still start him. It's kind of like bookends, so it's

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not exactly like a closer. It's just the minutes load

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of a closer.

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Speaker 1: Game. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Wait, when he when KD was coming back from the Achilles,

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didn't they try to play him in just second halves

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with Steve Nash as the head coach. Didn't that happen

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for a bit? It was like some real walky load

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management stuff.

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Speaker 1: Going on prior to the Achilles.

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Speaker 3: No after in Brooklyn, Oh.

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Speaker 1: Got you got you, gotcha.

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure they tried to only play him only

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in the first halfs or only in second half.

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Speaker 1: It didn't work for that.

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Speaker 3: I've opened to pretty much anything at this point. I

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am and I would.

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Speaker 2: Just start end of the first half, start second half,

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end of the second half.

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Speaker 3: I just would like to say, with so many people

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being like, where's the transparency in this? And that it's like, guys,

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they don't know how his knee is going to react,

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so how can they project when he's going to be available?

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Kawhi doesn't know how his knee is going to respond

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to this stuff, so how could anyone else know? I

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don't know. I I think that's asking a little a

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little bit too much. Sometimes I understand it could be frustrating, but.

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Speaker 2: The lack of transparency about the procedure I think is

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pretty frustrating. But it's also I mean, that's KAUWHI like that.

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You know, that's not a that's Kauhi Like I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Also, what would it change?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: You could be mad soon now I have an exact date.

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I think it's funny. So I think it's funny too,

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because I feel like some of the reactions like like

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to your point, Adam, of like what is it? Like

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what would the what would knowing the exact date or

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whatever help you do? I feel like there's this thing

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with some people who watch the game or are a

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fan of teams in general where they're like, oh, now,

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I don't have to care or like I'm done with

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this season, so it's like you kind of I feel

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like sometimes I feel like sometimes people want maybe an

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excuse to watch Less for whatever reason, to watch Less

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or not watch it anymore. That there's a thing of like, oh,

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like I'm not I don't even I'm done this year,

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And you're like, hey, if you are done, weird, it sucks.

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Don't switch teams. That feels weird and gross. But like

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if you don't want to watch it, sound so fine,

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Like he doesn't have to be the team specifically this season.

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It's like, if you got in to watch a championship

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attending team this season probably isn't gonna be very fun

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for you, even if Kawi was fully healthy going into this.

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But you know what I mean, Like I just feel

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like there's sometimes there's just like I'm done with it.

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I guess it's like that's fine, But but if this

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is your first year to watch a championship team, you're

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on the right boat.

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Speaker 3: I feel like anyone that's that impulsive probably isn't actually

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going to hold to that. But yeah, look, I think

474
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,359
it's reasonable to want I think it's reasonable and fair

475
00:24:32,759 --> 00:24:35,920
to like you'd rather have the information when it happens,

476
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,400
And I totally get that part of it being frustrating,

477
00:24:38,519 --> 00:24:41,119
like if it happened in May you want to know

478
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,000
and may I get all that you're you're paying customers

479
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:44,519
and stuff.

480
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 2: But it's also not just Kawhi, like Yiannis does the same.

481
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 3: Thing, like a lot of Yeah, that's the thing.

482
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 2: This is not exclusive to this organization.

483
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 3: Ask Laker fans about Anthony Davis. Like, right, it's more

484
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,000
frequent because Kawhi, unfortunately it's been so injury probe, but

485
00:25:02,039 --> 00:25:04,519
it's not that unusual, like Will is saying, when it

486
00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:08,920
comes to superstars and there's this just abundance of transparency

487
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,960
and you know everything up to the minute of what

488
00:25:12,039 --> 00:25:15,000
their body has been through. Like I don't think Laker

489
00:25:15,079 --> 00:25:17,519
fans feel like that about Anthony Davis. I think they've

490
00:25:17,519 --> 00:25:19,839
had been frustrated over the years, just like Clippers fans

491
00:25:19,839 --> 00:25:21,880
have been with Kawhi. But yeah, I think it's more

492
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:26,319
about the new NBA and this is I guess unfortunate

493
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,799
for some people that really care about this stuff and

494
00:25:28,839 --> 00:25:31,319
want to know exactly what they've been under and what

495
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,799
the procedure was and stuff like that. But it's unlikely

496
00:25:34,839 --> 00:25:36,319
to happen in today's day and age.

497
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:41,319
Speaker 2: And also again, what does it change truly? Like what

498
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,960
does it change? Like you're gonna are you a he

499
00:25:44,039 --> 00:25:46,680
was a fan, gonna send some tips based on the

500
00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:49,160
date that this surgery happens, Like what, how does this

501
00:25:49,319 --> 00:25:50,200
change anything?

502
00:25:50,519 --> 00:25:52,799
Speaker 1: I had an eighty two game parlay set up before

503
00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:56,920
the surgery. I'm ruined.

504
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 2: Who's gonna sit his new and his body and like

505
00:26:01,279 --> 00:26:03,799
when it's ready, like I mean, he'll be back.

506
00:26:03,839 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like it sucks, but like what do

507
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,359
you need to do? Welcome to hell again?

508
00:26:11,759 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 3: Like it's gotten to the point where I understand that

509
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,720
people are like I'm just gonna operate, like Kawhi is

510
00:26:18,759 --> 00:26:22,000
not there, and if he is there, great, but we're

511
00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:25,359
going to just view this as o'll great. Yeah, We're

512
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,680
just gonna view it as I don't know James Harden's

513
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,640
team at this point or something. I get if people

514
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,640
are coming from that perspective because he's been unreliable with

515
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,400
his health. It's really unfortunate. It sucks for Kawhi. He's

516
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,440
one of the greatest players ever and he wants to play.

517
00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:42,079
I he's one of my favorite players ever. I hate this.

518
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,319
I hate not being able to watch more of one

519
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:45,759
of the best players of our generation.

520
00:26:46,839 --> 00:26:49,079
Speaker 1: We will close the segment out on I hate this.

521
00:26:49,799 --> 00:26:52,400
Coming up, we are going It's fair. Coming up, we're

522
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:57,720
gonna be talking Terrence Man extension stuff, the defensive identity,

523
00:26:58,039 --> 00:27:00,440
the fact that Terrence Man has to compete for a

524
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,640
starting spot, which hey, I don't know. Uh. If you're listening,

525
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,559
thank you for listening. If you're watching, we appreciate you

526
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,839
doing that as well. If you'd like to check us

527
00:27:08,839 --> 00:27:13,960
out visually, it's YouTube dot com slash at Clippers podcast.

528
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,240
If you're listening, we got some ads coming up, and

529
00:27:16,279 --> 00:27:20,079
then Tyler you talking. Three two, All right, we're back in.

530
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,799
Speaker 2: We've granted, we've raved about Kawhi and the latest sort

531
00:27:23,839 --> 00:27:24,640
of injury news.

532
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: Uh, don't hate let us, Let let.

533
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,039
Speaker 2: Us know your thoughts if you're If you're watching this

534
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,240
over on YouTube, you can do that comments section over

535
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,839
just at any time. But now we're gonna talk some

536
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,039
more stuff from this Lawrence Frank Presser.

537
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:37,559
Speaker 1: Uh.

538
00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 2: Probably most notably is the Terrence Man extension talks. Look,

539
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,079
whether Kawhi is good to go opening night or not,

540
00:27:45,599 --> 00:27:49,000
we expect a bigger role out of Terrence Man this

541
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:53,559
this season with the absence of Paul George, and part

542
00:27:53,559 --> 00:27:55,400
of that is obviously going to be how much is

543
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,039
Terrence Man gonna get paid? According to Lawrence Frank, they've

544
00:27:58,039 --> 00:28:02,400
had ongoing discussions about this stension. Obviously, everybody wants to

545
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,880
get the deal done. They want Man to be with

546
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,240
the Clippers for a long time, so they're hopeful they

547
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,519
can do that done. They can get that done, but

548
00:28:10,519 --> 00:28:14,440
there also might be competition for his starting spot. Where

549
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,599
are we out of here, Charles? This thing's running the gamut.

550
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,799
Speaker 1: I'm so confused by this situation. I'm starting Terrence Man

551
00:28:21,839 --> 00:28:26,240
Contract Confusion Watch twenty twenty four on September twenty fifth.

552
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,680
You're welcome to join. I just to understand. First of all,

553
00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:33,559
I think it's so it's between him and Kendrick Nunn

554
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,839
or not Kendrick Nune. Sorry, Chris Dunn.

555
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 3: I do what you meant though. That's interesting work.

556
00:28:42,519 --> 00:28:44,599
Speaker 1: I'm happy. Yeah, I'm so out of it from this

557
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:49,200
goddamn shot. So it's him and Chris Dunn competing for

558
00:28:49,279 --> 00:28:52,440
the starting two spot, Adam, how do you feel about that?

559
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 2: What would you have to see from Chris Dunn to

560
00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:57,279
feel like, yeah, he should have the starting spot over Terrence.

561
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,359
Speaker 3: I think Norman Powell believes he's in the mix too

562
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,000
men defense and rebounding.

563
00:29:04,039 --> 00:29:06,319
Speaker 1: Though right next to James Harden.

564
00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:10,279
Speaker 3: He said that well, no, he said defense in I

565
00:29:10,319 --> 00:29:13,240
believe was a three point shooting or taking outside shots,

566
00:29:13,279 --> 00:29:16,279
taking shots which seem like what they say. The second

567
00:29:16,279 --> 00:29:25,480
thing was an offensive thing, that's true. I think part

568
00:29:25,519 --> 00:29:28,960
of it is dangling a carrot right before training camp

569
00:29:29,119 --> 00:29:31,960
and getting guys competitive juices up and iron shopping and

570
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,759
iron all those things. However, I think it's real too, because.

571
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,319
Speaker 1: I don't think it's I believe it for sure.

572
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 3: I just don't think it's crazy to feel like Chris

573
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,720
Dunn might be a better option than Terrence Man honestly,

574
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,240
and I love Terrence Man, but Chris Dunn, Like you

575
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,960
can make the argument he's a better point of attack defender.

576
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,240
Probably he is. Yeah, and his three point shooting over

577
00:29:54,279 --> 00:29:55,960
the last year, he only took like one hundred and

578
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,519
thirty of them, but he shot like forty three. There's

579
00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:01,720
he's a vet, he's a little bit older.

580
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,039
Speaker 1: I get the player comparison. How do you negotiate a

581
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,400
contract after what Terrence has gone through? With this, it

582
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,799
seems like a very razor thin wire, right, Like I

583
00:30:13,839 --> 00:30:16,960
don't I don't really talk about either party, but I'm like,

584
00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:19,359
it's just it's a weird spot to be it.

585
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think, like, yeah, I guess that is

586
00:30:23,359 --> 00:30:25,680
kind of like a weird way to start a contract negotiation.

587
00:30:26,079 --> 00:30:28,279
But I do see Adam's point, and I am with

588
00:30:28,359 --> 00:30:30,920
that one hundred percent. With like what this team is

589
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,480
going to be running out this year, right, especially if

590
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,160
there's gonna be you know, large absences of Kawhi, Like

591
00:30:37,799 --> 00:30:40,079
you're gonna have to go with whatever's working. So really

592
00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:42,960
nothing should be guaranteed. So I think that it does

593
00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:45,640
make sense for launch Frank and not come in and say, yes,

594
00:30:45,759 --> 00:30:48,160
Terrence Man is one hundred percent guaranteed to be the start.

595
00:30:48,319 --> 00:30:51,119
I suspect him to be the starter opening night. We'll

596
00:30:51,119 --> 00:30:54,839
see how it goes from there. But with what we've

597
00:30:54,839 --> 00:30:56,680
got to work with and the pieces that we have

598
00:30:56,759 --> 00:31:01,000
to put together, yeah, no one is guaranteed, like outside

599
00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:04,960
of James Harden and it beats the zobots. Is anybody

600
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,359
guaranteed anything? Like in this starting lineup, I don't.

601
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 3: It's three guys, kawhis available, James.

602
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's like, and so if you're Terrence again,

603
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:19,440
it's just more of the second.

604
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 2: I mean, that's tough ship though, Like I give that

605
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,680
to Terrence. I like I I love Terrance too.

606
00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: But I could see leaving because he's like, we have

607
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:28,640
the data.

608
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,559
Speaker 2: Of Terrence as a starter with a different iteration of

609
00:31:31,599 --> 00:31:33,599
this team. You know, we know what he can do.

610
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,319
But at the same time, like, nothing that can really

611
00:31:37,359 --> 00:31:41,359
be given for this this say, it has to overachieve.

612
00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:44,319
Speaker 1: I'm not thinking anything should be given to him. I'm

613
00:31:44,359 --> 00:31:47,440
just saying it makes the contract negotiations so weird. They

614
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,759
mentioned he does have to shoot better for more threes

615
00:31:49,839 --> 00:31:52,759
and rebound better because he's big for his position.

616
00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 2: Of the teams, like of the teams that would be

617
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,799
a threat for him to go to, though, I would

618
00:31:59,799 --> 00:32:02,759
think the majority of them. If he's looking for, you know,

619
00:32:02,839 --> 00:32:05,400
a team that's a contender, he's not looking at a starting.

620
00:32:05,119 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: Spot, right, because then it comes out to does he

621
00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:08,720
want to be a starter or does he want to

622
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:12,640
you know, go the the be a really great solid

623
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,720
backup backup point route two.

624
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 3: You mentioned just weird, weird because you're trying to negotiate.

625
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,079
But here's the thing. And this could sound cold. If

626
00:32:25,079 --> 00:32:28,200
he's not starting, how is he going to ask for

627
00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:31,599
starters money? Like you could get misvalue this way, And

628
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,400
I don't think they're doing that intentionally. They seriously want

629
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,480
to see who is the best player at the two

630
00:32:36,559 --> 00:32:40,000
spot next to James Harden. But it kind of makes

631
00:32:40,039 --> 00:32:42,599
sense like you might be able to get him a

632
00:32:42,599 --> 00:32:46,000
little bit cheaper. Look, look, if he's playing.

633
00:32:46,279 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: Here because you can't start thirty.

634
00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 3: Last year from three, it's like if you wanted to

635
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,200
solidify the job and he shot over forty percent, then

636
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,200
maybe we wouldn't be talking about this, Like terres Man

637
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,720
has got off to two seasons the last two years

638
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,640
slow from three. Lawrence Frank addressed that part at the

639
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:09,720
press conference yesterday, like it's not his job to lose.

640
00:33:10,039 --> 00:33:13,960
He hasn't played well enough to guarantee that he's still

641
00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:15,759
like I and.

642
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: It's been such a stable Yeah.

643
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,759
Speaker 3: Well, they happen to bring in a really good guy

644
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,359
at point of attack defense too. It's not like he's

645
00:33:25,359 --> 00:33:28,359
just competing with anyone. Chris Dunn doesn't things really well

646
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,319
that you would love to have next to James Harden.

647
00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:32,759
Speaker 1: I don't think it'll be norm though that feels.

648
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,039
Speaker 3: I hope not, because I think that goes against the

649
00:33:35,079 --> 00:33:38,279
identity part of this like and I love Norm coming

650
00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:39,359
off the bench. I don't know.

651
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, for the team, Like I get Lubers do

652
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,960
generally have a very strong identity. It doesn't I mentioned that.

653
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,119
That's in the press or too. He was like, we're

654
00:33:49,119 --> 00:33:51,839
going to have an identity this year, Like you like

655
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:56,039
made a point to it. I get it. It's just like, yeah,

656
00:33:56,079 --> 00:33:57,160
it is over under.

657
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: How many times do we talk about identity as a

658
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,920
story line in this next upcoming season. I would say

659
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,759
we probably did it fifty times last season.

660
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: Two and a half because they said it immediately, and

661
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,119
we're gonna be so hyped.

662
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 3: I don't expect. Well, let's let's say, how about does

663
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,000
a player mentioned if we have an identity this season,

664
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:18,519
which happens.

665
00:34:18,559 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good call.

666
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 3: And I don't think it's gonna happen because I think

667
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,079
it's gonna be pretty obvious from the get go.

668
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:25,079
Speaker 1: In a negative way.

669
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:28,159
Speaker 3: If they don't play, No, it's like, you guys don't

670
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:31,800
play defense on this team. If you're seventeen defensively this year,

671
00:34:32,559 --> 00:34:35,000
you're gonna be getting killed. You're not you might be

672
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:35,599
out of the plane.

673
00:34:36,599 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think Tyleru and Lawrence Shrank both mentioned like,

674
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,119
you guys gotta have pride and like you you know

675
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:44,559
you can only you can go as far as the

676
00:34:44,599 --> 00:34:47,119
guys like mentality can cut. Like you need that mentality

677
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:50,039
to like do the little shit basically is what they

678
00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:51,679
were saying, and they feel really good about that. With

679
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,159
Derek Jones Junior, who's in kind of approve it year,

680
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:56,920
He's on a very I think a pretty fair contract

681
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,519
and could get a really big one if he plays

682
00:34:59,519 --> 00:35:03,400
well this Clippers team with Derek Jones Junior. After this

683
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,719
one's up, I got it. So it's not a proven year, no,

684
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,880
I mean, you know what I mean, Like in the

685
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,000
grand scheme of things, he could prove a lot for himself,

686
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,199
I guess, is what I mean. Because he's gonna be

687
00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:18,119
guarding the point of attack. That was like and or

688
00:35:18,159 --> 00:35:20,840
the hardest guy to guard, because Frank also mentioned that

689
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,880
Kauai want to have to do that when he's there.

690
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,559
Speaker 3: But he's not guaranteed his starting spot either.

691
00:35:26,159 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: Right, I'm excited about his defensive I'm not saying he's

692
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,719
I didn't say anything about him starting. I just mean,

693
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,719
his defensive identity is going to be great for the team.

694
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,519
Speaker 3: It's like, well, how is he going to guard the

695
00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:39,960
arts best player if he's not starting. I'm wondering, you

696
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,119
know what I mean? Like right, I think I think

697
00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:45,000
he ends up being the starter. I get what you're saying.

698
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,559
I'm just I didn't think there'd be two spots open, basically.

699
00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:53,239
I was surprised by that from coach lou. It wasn't

700
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,679
just one spot open. There's two spots open that guys

701
00:35:56,679 --> 00:35:58,280
are competing for in the starting lineup.

702
00:35:58,639 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 2: Well doesn't that make sense because we've said with Kawhi healthy,

703
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,840
there's three guys well.

704
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 3: Have now but we all were kind of assuming Terrence

705
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,199
Man's Yeah, it's gonna be him, and now that's not

706
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:09,679
the case.

707
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,159
Speaker 1: That's fair. Yeah, I feel like they have to start

708
00:36:12,199 --> 00:36:13,199
Derek Jones Jr.

709
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,119
Speaker 3: I think it probably will.

710
00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:18,679
Speaker 1: Why would like his like his side, like where we

711
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,719
just need and we need defense if we're again defensive

712
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,679
identity wise, Yeah, he should probably be out there.

713
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,199
Speaker 3: That was your biggest off season acquisition. I mean, you

714
00:36:29,199 --> 00:36:31,639
can say Patum, but we know what Patum brings and

715
00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:35,639
they paid Derek Jones Junior, you know, over ten million dollars.

716
00:36:35,679 --> 00:36:37,760
I think it's just a little over per year. So

717
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,400
and that's the guy who just guarded Paul George, right.

718
00:36:41,679 --> 00:36:44,199
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, he's not going anywhere. Who is competing.

719
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,239
I don't know. The Norm thing would be interesting if

720
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,480
it's hard Norm, because then you have three defensive guys,

721
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,599
but your point of attack defenses brutal.

722
00:36:53,639 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 3: Unless, like, really, Norm is capable. We talked about this.

723
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,719
I think of the last show, Norman is more capable

724
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,880
than he has shown defensively, and that has been a

725
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,239
little bit frustrating at times. Does this finally get him

726
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,280
going on the defensive end, knowing he could be the

727
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,400
starter if he shows himself well there, maybe.

728
00:37:11,119 --> 00:37:13,119
Speaker 1: But that I feel like that's such a hard transition

729
00:37:13,199 --> 00:37:15,039
to make too from his style of play of like

730
00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:17,599
this season, I'm gonna lock in on defense, like for

731
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,159
a guy like Norman's like, that would be cool, but

732
00:37:20,199 --> 00:37:26,280
it seems very difficult. Will There's also there were some

733
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:32,880
other insect There are some other injuries that Lawrence Frank

734
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,320
talked about undisclosed. He was like, there's some guys.

735
00:37:36,559 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 3: Who have knocks, minor stuff.

736
00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say who until the time is

737
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,639
appropriate or something to that effect.

738
00:37:45,159 --> 00:37:48,199
Speaker 3: Maybe I'll find out, you know, first press conference of

739
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,960
training camp and whai who's available and who isn't. But

740
00:37:52,159 --> 00:37:54,719
it said minor, right, I think that.

741
00:37:54,880 --> 00:38:01,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know anything crazy. Yeah, I hope that lot.

742
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:04,559
Murray brought up some great stuff during the presser. One

743
00:38:04,599 --> 00:38:06,239
of the things I liked. He tweeted this out. The

744
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:10,000
Clippers averaged five passes per game, fewer than the twenty

745
00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:13,800
ninth ranked MAVs and two point one few were catching

746
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,039
three attempts than the twenty nine and seventy six ers.

747
00:38:16,559 --> 00:38:19,559
Tyleru said, has been on their mind all summer. This

748
00:38:19,679 --> 00:38:22,360
balance feels so hard to me because we had two

749
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,119
of the most efficient guys in ISO last year in

750
00:38:25,559 --> 00:38:29,000
Kawhi and James Harden. We're gonna need to lean on

751
00:38:29,039 --> 00:38:34,840
the James Harden ISO. Given what's happening, the balance between

752
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,639
the more passes in the ISO is gonna be really

753
00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:38,639
interesting to see.

754
00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 3: He was asked that I think it was Rousseau who

755
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,760
asked him about trying to you know, I know, I

756
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,679
think it was toll Mayor. He brought up that, you know,

757
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,920
you guys had to the two top guys in isolation

758
00:38:51,039 --> 00:38:53,880
and points per possession were number one Kawhi by a

759
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,760
pretty far margin and then number two James Harden. So

760
00:38:58,559 --> 00:39:01,679
coach Lou described it as we have to advance the

761
00:39:01,679 --> 00:39:05,320
ball and play faster. Like it's one thing if it's

762
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,400
late in the offense to give it to those guys

763
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,159
to go into their isolation and create and get us buckets.

764
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,519
But before that, if we can get easier shots from

765
00:39:15,559 --> 00:39:18,039
the others by just playing a little bit faster out there,

766
00:39:18,199 --> 00:39:21,079
that's the way to do it. Which I if you

767
00:39:21,119 --> 00:39:24,159
can bridge those two things, then yeah, they're going to

768
00:39:24,199 --> 00:39:26,840
be a top twelve, top thirteen offense.

769
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. And this goes to again with the starting lineup

770
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,440
with the spacing, because the pick and roll has to

771
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,159
be established and the spacing has to be there, and

772
00:39:36,159 --> 00:39:37,800
the spacing is going to be real limited.

773
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,199
Speaker 3: That's why they need man to shoot. Like, that's why

774
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,599
that point I think is being made. You have to shoot,

775
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,599
and you mentioned the catch and shoot numbers, Like Coach

776
00:39:47,639 --> 00:39:49,960
Slu emphasized how we've been such a good three point

777
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,159
shooting team, but we don't take enough of them, and

778
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,039
some of that sounded like by design over the years,

779
00:39:56,079 --> 00:39:58,119
because they've said we're going to take the right ones,

780
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,599
but it still sounds like when you're turning down catch

781
00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:02,679
and shoot threes, a lot of those are open shots.

782
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,000
Terrence Man notoriously the first month and a half two

783
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,559
months of the season, was shying away after he went

784
00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:11,719
it too that slump. So whoever is playing that position,

785
00:40:12,039 --> 00:40:14,239
he's got to put him up. It's the only way

786
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:14,800
to be a threat.

787
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:16,639
Speaker 1: And will you and I have talked about this, and

788
00:40:16,639 --> 00:40:18,199
I think we've talked about on the show. If you

789
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:22,800
look at Terrence's per thirty six, like from when he

790
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:27,679
started getting like after like from twenty twenty to last year,

791
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:33,840
basically it's the same. Yeah, it's just the same like,

792
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,000
which is you obviously want that to be a little better.

793
00:40:38,039 --> 00:40:40,280
You think what the field goal attempts actually went down

794
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,800
from twenty twenty three to twenty three twenty four, so

795
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:48,360
like the three point attempts absolutely need to creep up

796
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,199
higher than less than three.

797
00:40:51,639 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, two point Again, last year he was like in

798
00:40:54,039 --> 00:40:55,159
and out of the starting lineup.

799
00:40:55,599 --> 00:40:56,199
Speaker 1: It's difficult.

800
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 2: It's one of those things that's a little difficult to

801
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,199
gauge because we've talked about this with zoobots before too.

802
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,400
Because I know a lot of people were frustrated that

803
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,840
that his growth hasn't been linear, you know, and there's.

804
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: Been like incremental progress.

805
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 2: There's been like you know, there's been you know, there

806
00:41:09,639 --> 00:41:11,880
has been progress, but it hasn't you know, been.

807
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: In a linear fashion.

808
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 2: It's been like more incremental and Terrence one of those

809
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,599
things that's so difficult to judge is just the way

810
00:41:18,639 --> 00:41:21,239
that he kind of gets swapped around, like evena even

811
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:21,880
last season.

812
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 1: And now some of that is his own, you know,

813
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:24,719
is his own doing.

814
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,119
Speaker 2: That's that that that is his own fault passing up

815
00:41:27,159 --> 00:41:31,440
good shots. But this team, like from three, I mean,

816
00:41:32,159 --> 00:41:33,679
they were middle of the pack when they were their

817
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,199
most efficient, so it's it is kind of like it

818
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:41,199
is a function of their offense as well. But he definitely,

819
00:41:41,639 --> 00:41:44,280
like unquestionably, has to take more, It has to be

820
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:48,280
better and has to take a pretty sizeable lead for

821
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,920
this team to make up for some of the offense

822
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,639
that they lost.

823
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:56,039
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I'm looking at his rebound numbers too. He

824
00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:59,360
averaged five boards a game in twenty one twenty two,

825
00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:03,400
never been higher than three point six outside of that year.

826
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:05,960
He's gonna need to be at five or six like

827
00:42:06,039 --> 00:42:08,920
they they again because Laurence Frank mentioned the rebounding in

828
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,280
that press conference, like he's gonna have to be.

829
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:15,679
Speaker 2: Cool with minutes, with his minutes. I would be shocked

830
00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:17,360
if he wasn't at five or above.

831
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: I really hope that because what we talked about him

832
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,159
needing to have the chunky stat line, We're like, dude,

833
00:42:25,159 --> 00:42:27,280
you gotta be like you gotta be putting some like

834
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,559
crooked numbers up like every night, and so this is

835
00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:31,360
our your believer.

836
00:42:31,639 --> 00:42:34,559
Speaker 2: I'm smashing the over four point five on Terrence man

837
00:42:34,559 --> 00:42:36,079
rebounds I got.

838
00:42:36,199 --> 00:42:39,599
Speaker 1: I hope. So one more than last year per game

839
00:42:39,639 --> 00:42:47,480
would be bear bear bear minimum borderline, borderline not good

840
00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:50,920
enough because I love Terrence, but I want him to

841
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,079
have a clear, defined role, and part of that is

842
00:42:53,199 --> 00:42:57,039
the team's being healthy. Part of that is him doing

843
00:42:57,159 --> 00:42:59,440
what the clear defined role for this vision of the

844
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,039
Clippers is. We've seen the training footage, right, He's training

845
00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:04,840
on the corner of threes, all that stuff. It seems

846
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:05,559
like he's putting the work.

847
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 2: What was the quote like from the trainer on that, like, well,

848
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,400
you're all are taking seven.

849
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: Seven drible combinations, which I love, I dude, I love.

850
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,639
I love Clint Parks's Twitter, I love everyone who hates

851
00:43:17,679 --> 00:43:20,519
gimmicky trainers because they are ruining youth basketball.

852
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 3: So there's another wrinkle and something Coach Lew said a

853
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,880
player he was effusive with his praise about yesterday at

854
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,639
the press conference. In fact, I will give you the quote,

855
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,599
Well I don't. I don't see it on the rundown, and.

856
00:43:39,679 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: Maybe things on the rundown.

857
00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 3: I didn't want to jump a segment and I wasn't sure.

858
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,639
I've tried to make sure that I'm not jumping a

859
00:43:50,679 --> 00:43:54,840
segment here, because I was pretty surprised by this when

860
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,760
I heard it yesterday, And Coach lu said, I won't

861
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,000
tell you the player yet, but he's quote. For us

862
00:44:02,039 --> 00:44:05,119
to have success, he's gonna have to be a big

863
00:44:05,199 --> 00:44:08,960
part of that. Can you guess who he was talking about?

864
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,079
Speaker 1: Is it Carl Tart's favorite player.

865
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 3: John Wall J. Tucker?

866
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 1: No, not PJ. Tucker. Is it someone in that vein

867
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,360
of like someone who could be like, why why are

868
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:21,679
you saying this because they're bad?

869
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 3: It's someone else who could take away minutes from Terrence Mann.

870
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: Is it Kevin Porter Jr?

871
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,079
Speaker 3: This it is? It was Kevin Porter Junior. Yeah, that

872
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:34,119
is a pretty significant quote for us to have success.

873
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,360
He's gonna have to be a big part of that.

874
00:44:36,679 --> 00:44:39,079
He talked about how talented he is, how he's gonna

875
00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:44,119
coach him hard, how he was making twenty million per

876
00:44:44,199 --> 00:44:48,400
year at one point. Like, guys, if he's not, if

877
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:52,159
he doesn't get suspended to start the season, great, I

878
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,039
know that's a crazy caveat also, but he is going

879
00:44:56,559 --> 00:44:59,920
to be in the mix for real, Like maybe we

880
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:02,400
jumped the gun. Maybe I jumped the gun when he.

881
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,079
Speaker 1: Just hasn't played. I don't think we've jumped the gun.

882
00:45:04,119 --> 00:45:06,960
He hasn't played NBA basketball in quite some time. I

883
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,079
think it's totally fair to be like, he's got to

884
00:45:09,079 --> 00:45:11,840
earn it because he hasn't played professional a very long time.

885
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:12,840
And I just.

886
00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm dubious of the role that he's played

887
00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:22,199
previously in his successful basketball career.

888
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 1: Translating to what his role.

889
00:45:23,639 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 3: Would be on it's fair. He was on a really

890
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:33,400
bad Rockets team. It's a lot. Yeah, it's really hard

891
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:36,599
to decipher exactly how good a guy is on that

892
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,480
bad of a team that's that young. Still, it's hard.

893
00:45:40,519 --> 00:45:43,280
There's so many variables there. But it sounds like coach

894
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,239
lou is quite the fan and I did not expect

895
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,159
to hear that yesterday, and it started to make me

896
00:45:48,199 --> 00:45:50,960
think about that redditor who is like he's gonna end

897
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,119
up being the starting shooting guard.

898
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,199
Speaker 1: None of us should ever think about any editors. That

899
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,440
should not be in your brain. I just need to

900
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:01,119
get back to eating more.

901
00:46:01,159 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 3: Call the possibility of Kevin Porter Junior really making a

902
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,440
much more substantial impact this season.

903
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 1: I think we've all said we'll see, Like it's just again,

904
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,480
we don't know. There's gonna be an investigation. Your excuse me, Like,

905
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,360
I just I'll believe it when I see it.

906
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 2: I guess I'm not ruling it now like he has

907
00:46:20,119 --> 00:46:25,719
you know, he has talent. Again, I'm just I'm I

908
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:27,920
don't know that I'm immediately seeing the fit.

909
00:46:29,159 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: Norm would fit. I think Norm fits if we were

910
00:46:32,519 --> 00:46:35,639
gonna go that route just because he's played with the

911
00:46:35,639 --> 00:46:38,119
team before, Because Kevin Porter Junior gonna be good enough

912
00:46:38,119 --> 00:46:38,599
off ball.

913
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,639
Speaker 2: Like, I gotta be honest with you, I don't even

914
00:46:40,679 --> 00:46:42,960
know how well it'll work in lineups when it's Kevin

915
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,440
Porter Junior and Norm.

916
00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:46,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, but that.

917
00:46:46,159 --> 00:46:49,280
Speaker 1: Seems like it's gonna be a nightmare. I think I

918
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,599
haven't even you know, we're gonna see it and it's

919
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:55,360
gonna suck. Here's what I'm saying. We start three guards

920
00:46:55,400 --> 00:47:00,599
because James, you got norm you got Terrence, you got

921
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,920
Kawhi and Zoo or Nico and Zoo to open the season.

922
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 3: Most likely so Kevin Porter Junior's defensive rating, which is

923
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,440
an extremely flawed stat for individuals because it's dependent on

924
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,360
the team. But the last year team, the last year

925
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,239
with the Houston Rockets, it was like one nineteen. But

926
00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:24,960
with the clips, I think he actually projects to be

927
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:29,119
a better defender than people realize because of his size.

928
00:47:29,199 --> 00:47:31,559
If you get him to buy in and we just

929
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:34,360
have no idea what he could do on a team

930
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,719
that is, you know, actually trying to make the playoff,

931
00:47:38,599 --> 00:47:44,960
Well there is out there, can you know. Here's the thing.

932
00:47:45,039 --> 00:47:47,679
People have overrid some stuff with him, like the fifty

933
00:47:47,679 --> 00:47:49,199
point game he had and they say he had it

934
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,119
on Drew Holiday for Milwaukee Bucks. I went back and

935
00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:57,079
watched that tape. He hit ten threes, he got really

936
00:47:57,119 --> 00:48:01,519
hot from the outside wright most of it was not

937
00:48:01,679 --> 00:48:05,119
on the holiday, and the Bucks were playing some pretty

938
00:48:05,159 --> 00:48:07,559
miserable defense in that game. By the way, I don't

939
00:48:07,559 --> 00:48:09,000
know if they were on a back to back or what,

940
00:48:09,199 --> 00:48:11,119
but it would be not a.

941
00:48:11,039 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: Great At fifty points, that was a great performance.

942
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,079
Speaker 3: I don't want to take anything away from him, but

943
00:48:16,199 --> 00:48:18,199
I don't want to put everything into a fifty point

944
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,960
performance quote unquote against Drew Holliday when it really wasn't

945
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,400
like when you watch the tape. So it's like, you know,

946
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,840
there's some stuff that I'm like. Offensively, maybe he's not

947
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:30,639
as great as some people try to make him out

948
00:48:30,679 --> 00:48:33,559
to be, but defensively, actually he might be better than

949
00:48:33,559 --> 00:48:35,840
the way some people are talking about his defense because

950
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,519
he was on such a bad team with Houston.

951
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: I don't know, did we already run this down?

952
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,079
Speaker 2: And from an efficiency standpoint, he's like below average everywhere.

953
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,119
Speaker 1: I was gonna say. Adam's argument goes back to Will's

954
00:48:48,199 --> 00:48:53,079
who knows could be from the Kawhi, which is fair

955
00:48:53,159 --> 00:48:57,800
because we again the hard hitting analysis, there's too many

956
00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:01,039
the unknowns. As I read him, it's like there's we

957
00:49:01,159 --> 00:49:02,599
still again he hasn't.

958
00:49:03,079 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, but what we know is coach los a fan

959
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,599
now and coach Lou says if they're going to have

960
00:49:09,679 --> 00:49:12,800
success this season, basically he's gonna have to be a

961
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:14,719
big part of it. That's what you're saying.

962
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:16,559
Speaker 1: He might have said the same thing about John Wall

963
00:49:16,599 --> 00:49:17,239
at some point too.

964
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 2: All Right, they're going to have success this year, basically

965
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,079
everyone has to be a big part of it.

966
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 1: Also a good point, and no one can be like

967
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,039
bad this year. Who gets substantial minutes on the Clippers

968
00:49:33,079 --> 00:49:35,000
overtly bad? Like no one.

969
00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just much more of a committee, much

970
00:49:38,679 --> 00:49:41,000
much more of a committee team. Not completely by committee

971
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,880
because there are still some some high ceiling standout guys,

972
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,920
but all hands on deck.

973
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, more than years.

974
00:49:48,119 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 3: This is not a team that can just go out

975
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,679
there and overwhelm you with talent at times. They have

976
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,960
to be a tight knit group that jails really well

977
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,440
and the whole is greater than the some of its parts, right,

978
00:49:57,559 --> 00:50:00,239
it just has to be. They have to elem bade

979
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:00,679
each other.

980
00:50:02,519 --> 00:50:04,599
Speaker 1: They gotta do. And that's I mean, we talked about

981
00:50:04,599 --> 00:50:05,920
this a couple of weeks ago. That's why I love

982
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,679
the James Harden training camp pre training camp stuff and

983
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,079
first full training camp with the Clippers for James Harden,

984
00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:17,320
which is fantastic.

985
00:50:18,159 --> 00:50:21,039
Speaker 3: It's starting to feel like more of a James Harden

986
00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:23,440
team to me. Right now than Kawhi, because I just

987
00:50:23,519 --> 00:50:26,440
don't know how you can rely on him. And James

988
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:30,199
has been pretty reliable overall in his career and he

989
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:34,559
is such a just Yeah, when you're a system and

990
00:50:34,639 --> 00:50:37,239
you're on the court more often, it's like I, I

991
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,639
guess it's really going to depend on how James Harden

992
00:50:39,679 --> 00:50:40,400
looks out there.

993
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great that's a great point, Adam, And

994
00:50:43,039 --> 00:50:45,760
I do think that that is I don't think that

995
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:46,519
that's a negative.

996
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: You know, Like I.

997
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 2: As great as Kawhi is and as efficient as he

998
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:55,239
is and everything, he can't run an offense in the

999
00:50:55,280 --> 00:51:00,920
same way that James Harden can by doesign I think

1000
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,000
it's actually a really great starting point to be obviously

1001
00:51:04,159 --> 00:51:06,480
better if Kawhis is good to go game one, but

1002
00:51:06,519 --> 00:51:08,880
if if you're already in the mode of okay, like

1003
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,119
this is what everything runs through, like this is the

1004
00:51:11,159 --> 00:51:14,119
guy who dictates the flow of the offense and how

1005
00:51:14,159 --> 00:51:17,719
everything goes, I think it's a good spot to be

1006
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,400
in versus sort of like a we'll figure it out

1007
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,679
when we're on the court, or oh it's your turn, now,

1008
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:26,840
it's my turn. No, it's my turn always, And you know,

1009
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:27,599
I'm gonna get you.

1010
00:51:27,679 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 1: Bespond say, well, like, I'm going to get you.

1011
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,599
Speaker 2: Into the spots that you're the most efficient at that

1012
00:51:31,639 --> 00:51:34,519
are good for you obviously, but like I run the

1013
00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:37,559
show that like I I the keys are in my hands.

1014
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: They talked about the what do they talk about the

1015
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,559
pecking order or the hierarchy. Tyler was like, oh, there's

1016
00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:44,760
a higher like you're we're gonna know what the hierarchy

1017
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:46,039
is or something like.

1018
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 3: That, Frank, But I think it was also like, there's

1019
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,480
no there's no Paul George, so there's no talking about

1020
00:51:53,519 --> 00:51:56,480
who's the second best player on this team. And to

1021
00:51:56,559 --> 00:52:01,000
Will's point, it's like you already know, and this is encouraging.

1022
00:52:01,599 --> 00:52:04,719
What's your foundation and identity is on offense? There is

1023
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,880
a system there built in and you're starting from here

1024
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,920
and most nights you're hoping if you have this guy,

1025
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,599
you at least have a true game plan that everybody's

1026
00:52:14,639 --> 00:52:16,800
going to be in tune with on that end, because

1027
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:18,440
he's run on the show and making the trains run

1028
00:52:18,519 --> 00:52:21,440
on time, like that's James Harden and he is proven.

1029
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,119
Speaker 2: And running the offense more of a floor raizer than

1030
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,159
either Kowhir or Paul George like for everyone around them.

1031
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:34,159
So that is I mean, it's nice.

1032
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: Whoa guys I.

1033
00:52:35,519 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 3: Think last segment I wasn't so sure.

1034
00:52:39,039 --> 00:52:42,039
Speaker 1: But well, and he's going to be I mean, he's

1035
00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:46,000
going to have what I'm assuming, a huge voice on

1036
00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:47,760
who is going to be next to him in the

1037
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:48,280
back court.

1038
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:50,199
Speaker 3: That's a good point too.

1039
00:52:50,159 --> 00:52:53,119
Speaker 1: As he should given him out of total minutes that

1040
00:52:53,199 --> 00:52:55,320
he's had. I don't know.

1041
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,199
Speaker 2: Do you think that he would have something to say

1042
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:01,679
about Terrence.

1043
00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:02,599
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1044
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 3: Oh, I think he does. Yeah, what do you I

1045
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,000
don't think there's any way coach Leu would not ask

1046
00:53:08,039 --> 00:53:10,679
for input from James Harden when they were talking. Oh,

1047
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,280
last season and that was part of the reason I

1048
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,639
think James Harden was so excited to come to the Clippers.

1049
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:17,679
Speaker 2: Where do I think his head's at though, Like, what

1050
00:53:17,679 --> 00:53:18,760
do you think he's looking for?

1051
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 3: Okay, so Terrence Man started seventy one games last year

1052
00:53:23,199 --> 00:53:27,079
next to him. Is there enough comfortability there? Does he

1053
00:53:27,159 --> 00:53:30,480
attribute Terrence Man to being a part of why they

1054
00:53:30,519 --> 00:53:32,559
went twenty six and five and how he did so

1055
00:53:32,599 --> 00:53:36,119
many the little things and he's a nice fit or

1056
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,199
does he have any experience with Chris Dunn, who I'm

1057
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,400
looking at, is like, Okay, he never played with him

1058
00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:44,719
in any capacity I know of, unless you know, he's

1059
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,400
too young of a player to play with him in

1060
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:50,480
AAAU or anything. So I don't. I don't know. I

1061
00:53:50,519 --> 00:53:54,639
would like I think. I think Terrence Man is the

1062
00:53:54,639 --> 00:53:57,440
inside track to winning the starting two job. I do.

1063
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,880
I also think Chris Dunn could get it.

1064
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 2: But I do think that, you know, going back to

1065
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:07,679
Terrence's shooting thing, like his efficiency and his willingness to

1066
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,639
take threes could swing James Harden's mind because as much

1067
00:54:11,679 --> 00:54:13,440
as he can do and as much as he will

1068
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,440
have to score more on this team the way it's

1069
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,320
set up, anybody who can lighten that load, I think

1070
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,920
that he is going to be He's going to be

1071
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,519
eager to have next to him as a running mate.

1072
00:54:23,639 --> 00:54:26,039
And so Terrence Man can do what we know he

1073
00:54:26,079 --> 00:54:28,440
can do defensively, we know all the connection kind of

1074
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:32,719
things he can do, the rebounding defensively. But if he

1075
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,840
can make things a little bit easier for James offensively,

1076
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,119
I would feel pretty good about him being on the

1077
00:54:38,119 --> 00:54:40,719
inside track to holding down that spot.

1078
00:54:41,079 --> 00:54:43,599
Speaker 1: This is I don't know how much we stock we

1079
00:54:43,639 --> 00:54:47,079
put into this the James Harden Terrence Man net rating

1080
00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:51,559
together just that two Man lneup plus four point six,

1081
00:54:53,199 --> 00:54:57,519
so not lighting it up. It's obviously a huge sample size.

1082
00:54:57,559 --> 00:55:02,360
It's one of the larger ones for minutes. What about

1083
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:06,559
those two plus zero three Man?

1084
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:13,639
Speaker 3: The one thing I'd say for how James Harden could

1085
00:55:13,639 --> 00:55:16,039
be analyzing this is I wonder how many of those

1086
00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:18,880
times did he find Terrence Man and see him turn

1087
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,159
down a three pointer? And that frustrated him last year.

1088
00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing.

1089
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 2: I don't think he's gonna have a lot of I

1090
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:25,840
don't think he's gonna have a.

1091
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,519
Speaker 1: Lot of patience for that plus three point six those three.

1092
00:55:31,159 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 3: The other factor I think, though, is.

1093
00:55:33,559 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 1: He's breaking the team down. Guys, we're not starting that.

1094
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 3: I think I certainly maybe have I don't want to

1095
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,599
say overlooked, but I forget about Chris Dunn sometimes and

1096
00:55:45,639 --> 00:55:47,679
what a big factor he could be for this team.

1097
00:55:48,119 --> 00:55:50,480
And I never really considered him because I just kind

1098
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,760
of maybe I was hoping too much for Terrence Man

1099
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,199
to be the guy and just have some stability there,

1100
00:55:55,199 --> 00:55:57,639
and no, he finally has his role. And I understand that,

1101
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,400
but there's a real argument to be made that Chris

1102
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:05,480
Dunn is the better ball handler, the better initiator on offense.

1103
00:56:05,519 --> 00:56:07,800
This is someone who has averaged five assists per game

1104
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:11,199
a few different times in his career. Man has never

1105
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:11,599
done that.

1106
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:16,159
Speaker 2: Have like two high level passing guys who exactly are

1107
00:56:16,159 --> 00:56:17,000
they getting the ball to?

1108
00:56:18,199 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 3: But what I'm wondering is does James Harden feel like

1109
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,320
this takes a little bit of the burden off me

1110
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,079
when I don't want to have to bring the ball

1111
00:56:26,119 --> 00:56:27,119
up every single time?

1112
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: And you can have Harden can i mean obviously shoot

1113
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,440
the ship out of the ball, but.

1114
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 3: He has turned down catch and shoot himself.

1115
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:41,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and well and then done. You

1116
00:56:41,159 --> 00:56:44,559
talk about an adjustment to his game, he's going to

1117
00:56:44,639 --> 00:56:48,039
have to take a lot more threes. Yeah. He averages

1118
00:56:48,119 --> 00:56:50,719
less than two for his career per game, So it

1119
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,480
would be that'd be a big if he could show

1120
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:56,159
that he could. I mean, I'm very excited for him

1121
00:56:56,199 --> 00:56:58,320
to be on this team, but that, you know, talk

1122
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:00,559
about someone has to make an adjustment with shooting threes.

1123
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 3: That's a good point. That's a good point.

1124
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:07,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, two point six is the most he's ever taken.

1125
00:57:07,599 --> 00:57:10,199
Speaker 3: What you want is someone right in between Chris Dunn

1126
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,920
and Terrence Man. Actually that would be the perfect place.

1127
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, overall, I don't know, it's gonna be interesting.

1128
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,760
There's a lot of question marks, which if you're a

1129
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,920
sick oh, I think is fun. Yeah.

1130
00:57:23,159 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 3: I think that's a real battle camp for the two spot.

1131
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,559
Speaker 1: It's I mean and the free right.

1132
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,679
Speaker 2: I'm also curious to see, like because we know, like

1133
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,239
sort of a cliche of you know, one of the

1134
00:57:34,239 --> 00:57:36,880
things you could nitpick Tyloo about is like some of

1135
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,440
the sample size stuff. Maybe the ten games simple size

1136
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,679
is just way too long for certain things. I'm curious

1137
00:57:43,679 --> 00:57:45,440
to see, you know, Like, you know, with us all

1138
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:46,880
agreeing that things are a little bit more of a

1139
00:57:47,239 --> 00:57:49,719
bi committee thing, this team is is going to have

1140
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,519
to find and run with what's working. How that's going

1141
00:57:52,599 --> 00:57:55,760
to change his approach to some of these rotations, h

1142
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,559
in some of these minutes, because if something isn't working,

1143
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:03,039
you don't have the luck of you know, having Kawhi

1144
00:58:03,039 --> 00:58:05,199
and Paul George sort of like lift stuff up or

1145
00:58:05,519 --> 00:58:08,079
help get you through something isn't working, It's gonna be

1146
00:58:08,119 --> 00:58:10,440
pretty apparent and you're gonna have to find something that

1147
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,760
it is working really really fast.

1148
00:58:13,519 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, cycle that shit out.

1149
00:58:15,159 --> 00:58:18,119
Speaker 3: I guess when I think about the three spot, the

1150
00:58:18,159 --> 00:58:20,920
only reason I think like Derek Jones Junior is pretty

1151
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:24,760
close to his shoe is because it's either him a

1152
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:29,199
mere coffee or Terrence Man or they move Kawhi back

1153
00:58:29,199 --> 00:58:31,239
to the three because they're playing someone else at the floor.

1154
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:32,920
But I don't see that guy in the roster right

1155
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,599
now because I don't think button it's gonna start.

1156
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:38,079
Speaker 1: Well, you can't see Kaid Joe.

1157
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, buddy, here they come.

1158
00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:47,119
Speaker 1: Future so bright, dude, Future is so right now? That yeah,

1159
00:58:47,239 --> 00:58:50,559
like that, that's a good point. They're a little for

1160
00:58:50,559 --> 00:58:53,400
what a starting five for a team that again has

1161
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:57,239
no interest in losing games or benefit to get you know,

1162
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,920
a pick or anything. You kind of got to start there.

1163
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 3: What if Terrence Man and Chris Dunn performed so well

1164
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,800
in their battle and training camp and Derreck Jones Jr.

1165
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:09,840
Was just all right and he's like all right, Chris

1166
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,119
done at the two? Terrence Bean at the three? Is

1167
00:59:13,159 --> 00:59:14,280
that crazy?

1168
00:59:14,519 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 2: That'd be weird insane? It just again depends on.

1169
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 3: All but man, can I mean he guards up a lot, yes,

1170
00:59:22,199 --> 00:59:27,920
like it is guarding Luca, Like Luca's as a big boy.

1171
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 1: The offense would be crazy, doesn't good? Would?

1172
00:59:35,519 --> 00:59:38,239
Speaker 2: That's what I'm questioning though, too, is like how well

1173
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:41,960
does Harden and Done really work together?

1174
00:59:42,199 --> 00:59:46,519
Speaker 3: As Yeah, don can play honor off ball though, Like

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I'm saying, you got options with Chris Done.

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Speaker 2: You really never taken one of two point six threes

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00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:51,519
a game first season?

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Speaker 1: How does that work?

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00:59:53,159 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, that there is something to that. He

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00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:58,239
gets to the ram. He's got a good floater, but

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00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,519
he has to take more threes and maybe simple is

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01:00:01,559 --> 01:00:03,679
as much as we harp on Terrence Man about not

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01:00:03,719 --> 01:00:06,599
taking enough three's, it's like, well what about Chris Dune taking?

1184
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:11,239
Maybe it's that easy, and so maybe Terrence terres Man

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is the inside track he does.

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Speaker 1: It's just a three point camp. Is just gonna be

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01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,280
them shooting one hundred and fifty three pointers a day

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as fast as they can and does it the fastest

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and as the best percentage.

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Speaker 2: I just don't see it working like actually, I mean

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01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,360
defensively it's awful, but like norm to me makes more

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01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:28,320
sense than Chris Done.

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01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 3: Because of the defensive thing. I can't get there.

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01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know the defense. There's way better off ball.

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01:00:35,159 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 3: Though he is, But the defense would get so shredded

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01:00:39,079 --> 01:00:41,880
with those two on the perimeter. I just unless Norm

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shows something, which he could.

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Speaker 1: I don't. We'll see he makes he makes a Robin

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Lopez type pivot in his career, because I like the.

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Speaker 2: Clippers are wont to do during this season and redefining

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01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:55,039
the identity.

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01:00:55,719 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 3: I mean, what makes the most sense. Terre's man had

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01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,400
the two and Chris done running the second year at

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01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:05,440
the one, right, that's like the most conventional wisdom. Yeah,

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and let's get Pj's involved now. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's a fair, that's a that question mark

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is larger or smaller. I don't know what.

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01:01:13,079 --> 01:01:14,719
Speaker 3: Bolts was also mentioned.

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Speaker 1: Bones still a team, PJ. Tucker is still on the team.

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We didn't even talk about him starting next to Zoo.

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Speaker 3: PJ was talked about when they mentioned fours when Mars

1212
01:01:24,079 --> 01:01:25,920
Frank was going through I think the.

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01:01:26,039 --> 01:01:30,639
Speaker 1: Fault they have to he has played before.

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Speaker 3: He has started a must win game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, things were going pretty good back then. All right,

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01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,840
coming up, we're closing out the episode with a classic segment,

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01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,599
which if you've been listening to us, you've heard before

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01:01:44,639 --> 01:01:46,199
and you've probably been like, where the heck is it.

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01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,440
And if you're new, it's called the Updyke fun Check.

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It's a very fun time. Uh. If you're listening to us,

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01:01:51,239 --> 01:01:52,960
there's going to be an advocate. If you're watching, thanks,

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01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:54,679
we're still here. You get to see us for a

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01:01:54,719 --> 01:01:57,280
couple extra seconds. We got ads coming up, and then

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01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,559
an Updyke fun check and then a special piece of

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content and three two.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back in. It's clips and dip. I'm outa maas

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and we got Chuck Mockler and Will Updyke here. It's

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gonna be with you guys season three here on the show.

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And while I wasn't here when this segment was born,

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when something was born out of this segment, I am

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01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:20,280
a fan of it. I gotta tell you that much.

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And it is called the Will Updyke fun Check. Which

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is a really interesting question right about now, with everything

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01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:30,880
going on with this team, if there was ever a

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01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,039
time for this bad boy to be on the rundown

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01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:35,440
beautifully put together by Chuck Mockler.

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Speaker 2: Now, I gotta be honest, fellas, I'm a one point

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01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:45,719
three glasses of wine in but U through this conversation.

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01:02:46,159 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: It started out real low.

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01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:51,599
Speaker 2: There's so many question marks with this team that I

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01:02:51,639 --> 01:02:52,920
think it's pretty fun.

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01:02:54,199 --> 01:02:56,719
Speaker 3: There's a lot to talk about it might like, I.

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01:02:56,679 --> 01:02:59,519
Speaker 1: Mean, obviously it's our year, so it will translate to.

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01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 2: Winning bast well, but I think that's I think it's

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01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:07,400
pretty interesting. I think it's pretty interesting, and especially when

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01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:11,760
you take off the burden of certain expectations and the

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01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:16,960
team being so sort of like hammered into ways that

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01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,840
they were trying to play despite not having an identity,

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01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,679
you know what I mean, what certain voices in the

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01:03:22,719 --> 01:03:25,119
locker room thought the team needed versus what the front

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01:03:25,119 --> 01:03:27,880
office thought they needed, and they were like really trying

1252
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:31,559
to ram a square peg into a into.

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01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 1: A round hole. This is.

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01:03:34,239 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 2: This just feels more fluid than me. It feels it

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01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:40,280
feels interesting. I'm not gonna say good, sure, but it's

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interesting for sure.

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Speaker 1: I like your point about it being interesting. It's a

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01:03:44,679 --> 01:03:49,880
lot more interesting being a team that isn't some would say,

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01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,639
favored to win a championship and have question marks because

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01:03:53,639 --> 01:03:55,199
when you don't have to be favored for it to

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01:03:55,199 --> 01:03:57,800
be your year. Very true, because when you're a championship

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01:03:57,800 --> 01:03:59,480
team and people are like, well, who the hell's playing

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01:03:59,519 --> 01:04:01,719
the four? Who the hell's back up five, you're like, Wow,

1264
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:03,519
this is a lot more pressure. We really got to

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01:04:03,519 --> 01:04:06,320
get the ship figured out. This is like, hey, maybe

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01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:10,920
Ky Jones is good. There's a sicko element to it

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01:04:11,079 --> 01:04:13,119
that there is. I'm seeing the threat.

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01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is so scale one to ten. This is

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01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,239
like a This is a team that's fun to me.

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But it's like the kind of team where if your

1271
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:23,719
coworker asks you how the Clippers are doing, you got

1272
01:04:23,719 --> 01:04:25,840
to rain yourself in because you're not to go on

1273
01:04:26,199 --> 01:04:29,440
five hundred insane tangents that no one cares about, so

1274
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:31,440
you got to you gotta rate it in. But that's

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01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:33,119
exciting to me as a fan.

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01:04:34,039 --> 01:04:36,079
Speaker 1: Like Adam was yelling at me at the water cooler

1277
01:04:36,079 --> 01:04:41,360
about vorp, I don't know what I have. So scale

1278
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:46,280
one Chris Dunn character scale, will scale scale A one

1279
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:49,079
to ten, your fun level ten being a carnival one

1280
01:04:49,199 --> 01:04:54,679
being hour two of a Zoom meeting. Five being the.

1281
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 2: I'm at like seven five like a carnival ride, but

1282
01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:07,800
a fun one, not one where you have to go

1283
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:08,400
upside down.

1284
01:05:08,599 --> 01:05:12,599
Speaker 1: It's too tricky. Okay, Adam, what's your fun level?

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01:05:14,719 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 3: Honestly, I'm with Will, like we talked ourselves into this

1286
01:05:18,039 --> 01:05:21,559
being a really possitive episode somehow when it started off

1287
01:05:21,599 --> 01:05:22,679
in a brutal.

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01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 2: Kind of fun right, there is some interesting things, is shit?

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01:05:28,599 --> 01:05:29,159
Speaker 1: I love it.

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01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 3: I can't stop thinking about now Chris Dudd and kp

1291
01:05:32,559 --> 01:05:35,239
J and like having so many guards and a real

1292
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:42,639
possibility now of having new starters like what I we

1293
01:05:42,679 --> 01:05:43,519
don't know what.

1294
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 1: This team looks like.

1295
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:47,719
Speaker 3: Like that's exciting possibilities.

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01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 1: I am so excited to see the people who are

1297
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:56,000
not excited about this team react to the transition we

1298
01:05:56,039 --> 01:05:59,000
go through in this episode because I started it low

1299
01:05:59,079 --> 01:06:01,320
for a reason, because I was low, and you guys

1300
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:03,599
match the energy because it was a tough cup it

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01:06:03,639 --> 01:06:06,519
was a tough thirty six hours or whatever. Yeah, I'm

1302
01:06:06,599 --> 01:06:09,440
right there with you, guys. There's a bunch of random

1303
01:06:09,599 --> 01:06:12,119
players you can choose. There's some great fan favorite you're

1304
01:06:12,119 --> 01:06:15,360
gonna be like I thought, like, there's gonna be it's

1305
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:17,400
gonna be such a weird year, which I think we've

1306
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:19,920
talked about before on this show. It's gonna be a

1307
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:24,360
super weird year. It's gonna test some people's patience on

1308
01:06:25,079 --> 01:06:28,119
how much about the Clippers they'd like to learn. They

1309
01:06:28,159 --> 01:06:29,760
still love them, but how much you really want to

1310
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:33,639
learn about this Clippers team this year. Yeah, there's there's

1311
01:06:33,719 --> 01:06:38,280
question marks in the starting lineup ewhere. Yeah, I'm fired

1312
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:39,880
up for some lunacy.

1313
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:44,239
Speaker 3: To underscore just the variance that it could be with

1314
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:48,639
this team, good or bad wins losses. Somebody responded to

1315
01:06:48,679 --> 01:06:52,079
a video earlier and said they're winning thirty five games

1316
01:06:52,079 --> 01:06:55,239
at best, and I said, of course, underneath it, I'm

1317
01:06:55,239 --> 01:06:57,960
saving this, and he was like, go ahead, save it.

1318
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:00,719
They only won forty five games last year. Year was like, dude,

1319
01:07:00,719 --> 01:07:03,079
they won fifty one, so it was like they could

1320
01:07:03,079 --> 01:07:06,599
win ten less years. Anyways, Then I thought, after I

1321
01:07:06,679 --> 01:07:09,280
said I'm gonna save this, I was like, damn it,

1322
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:10,039
what if he's right?

1323
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:11,159
Speaker 1: Right?

1324
01:07:11,599 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 3: Like, it's not that crazy. I guess like it could

1325
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:17,320
be between thirty five and forty five wins somewhere in there.

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01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:20,599
Speaker 1: I don't know. You got Adam questioning receipts. You know

1327
01:07:20,639 --> 01:07:25,800
it's going to be a fun year, dude, forty two wins, right?

1328
01:07:26,239 --> 01:07:28,199
Two forty three wins for it.

1329
01:07:28,239 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 3: To be over under Was it forty or forty one?

1330
01:07:31,079 --> 01:07:33,119
Speaker 2: It was like forty I think, oh I thought it

1331
01:07:33,119 --> 01:07:33,840
was lower than.

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01:07:33,679 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 1: That for some reason.

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01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:35,679
Speaker 3: Was it thirty nine and a half?

1334
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 1: I thought it was that. It might have been. I

1335
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:43,639
thought it was look at that stuff.

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01:07:41,679 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 3: But that's when they thought they were trading PJ.

1337
01:07:44,039 --> 01:07:46,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, Adam's the gambler. Yeah right, I mean, well with

1338
01:07:46,559 --> 01:07:48,599
the PJ bump again. Back to my eight or two

1339
01:07:48,639 --> 01:07:52,880
game parlay that has completely derailed. Now, okay, we got

1340
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:55,960
to close out with one of the weirdest pieces of

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01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:59,760
Clippers related content I've ever seen in my life. Just

1342
01:08:00,599 --> 01:08:04,760
I'm gonna share the screen. Uh it is. The longer

1343
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,119
you look at it, just the more confusing it is.

1344
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:11,480
I missed this part. So it's a TikTok trend where

1345
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,960
people dance in a circle, but they're doing it with

1346
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:17,640
people who are the Kawhi guy kind of looks like

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01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:21,319
Kawhi I guess. But they're wearing current jerseys and also

1348
01:08:21,399 --> 01:08:25,399
a jersey that says h player twenty zoo the Zoo one.

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01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:27,279
It's horrible at all.

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01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:30,159
Speaker 3: I thought the guy wearing twenty two or fifty five

1351
01:08:30,239 --> 01:08:32,920
for a second might have been cam. Just when it

1352
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:34,960
first clicked on, I was like, Oh, this isn't real.

1353
01:08:35,039 --> 01:08:37,680
Never mind, this is why did they put so much

1354
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:39,840
production into this. They paid for all these jersey, They

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01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:40,359
paid for.

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01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:44,800
Speaker 1: These jerseys had them. Being a real fan, I have

1357
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:50,399
a number twenty five player jersey horrifying.

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01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,560
Speaker 3: But I missed the Harlem shake right about now, just so.

1359
01:08:54,279 --> 01:08:55,520
Speaker 1: Bring that back.

1360
01:08:56,239 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 3: Just some of the weirdest style whatever.

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01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 1: Just one of the more up there with Remember the

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01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:09,359
deep fake Kawhi gif from like four or five years ago.

1363
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This is the one I round locked on. There was

1364
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:13,039
a there's the gift of Kawhi doing the thumbs up right,

1365
01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:15,640
you know what I'm talking about. Someone made like a

1366
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:19,199
deep fake of themselves overs Kawhi's face, and that was

1367
01:09:19,239 --> 01:09:24,720
being used a bunch because people. But I remember that's

1368
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:28,279
up there into the weirdest pieces of content. Okay, we

1369
01:09:28,399 --> 01:09:29,840
have to get out of here. I'm full of so

1370
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:33,359
much hope. I have to go shout it from the rooftops.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna go two hours. I didn't mean to, like.

1372
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:40,119
Speaker 1: I don't want to go two hours. We're gonna be

1373
01:09:40,119 --> 01:09:42,640
back next week with a preseason game preview. There is

1374
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:44,439
Clippers basketball next week.

1375
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 3: I think we're gonna have the radio broadcast of it.

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01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:50,520
Speaker 1: There we go. We're probably gonna be doing a live

1377
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:53,600
after it on Friday night. We're gonna do probably a

1378
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,640
preview app and then a live hang which will be

1379
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:59,119
very fun. Well, where can people now that they are

1380
01:09:59,159 --> 01:10:01,640
also come completely on board with how fun this season

1381
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:04,199
is going to be? Uh listen to us tell their

1382
01:10:04,239 --> 01:10:07,840
coworkers after they've talked way too much about uh DJJ

1383
01:10:08,039 --> 01:10:10,800
and how often he guarded the point of attack last year?

1384
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:12,439
Where can they tell people listen to our show?

1385
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, for a good time. You can listen to this

1386
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:17,960
show anywhere you get your podcasts. You can also watch

1387
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:19,840
it over on YouTube. That's YouTube that comps last at

1388
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:23,079
Clippers podcast. If you happen to watch over on YouTube.

1389
01:10:23,279 --> 01:10:26,119
If you subscribe, maybe talle on some notifications that'd be great.

1390
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:29,960
You can leave a comment at any time, Yeah, you can.

1391
01:10:30,079 --> 01:10:32,039
You can subscribe to us though wherever you get the podcast.

1392
01:10:32,159 --> 01:10:36,359
Speaker 1: If you happen to listen over on Spotify or Apple podcasts, leave.

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01:10:36,239 --> 01:10:39,119
Speaker 2: Us little rain and review. Definitely help us out. But however,

1394
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:40,239
you know, however.

1395
01:10:40,079 --> 01:10:43,159
Speaker 1: You consume this show, we appreciate you. We really do.

1396
01:10:43,199 --> 01:10:46,039
An Adam, I don't know if there's any more positivity

1397
01:10:46,079 --> 01:10:48,319
to be said, but one positive thing to send these

1398
01:10:48,359 --> 01:10:52,000
Clippers fans out to close their week out with only

1399
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:53,720
one only one?

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Speaker 3: What have we already mentioned here. My god, I we've

1401
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:07,560
barely talked about. I truly think they're being overly cautious

1402
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:11,239
with Kawhi, as they should be. And when I hear

1403
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the swelling is almost gone, it is. It's encouraging.

1404
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:17,079
Speaker 1: It is.

1405
01:11:18,159 --> 01:11:21,119
Speaker 3: I don't know how else they should handle this than

1406
01:11:21,119 --> 01:11:23,319
the way that they have so far. I don't know

1407
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:26,479
any better way to do it. Like this is the best,

1408
01:11:27,119 --> 01:11:29,560
best opportunity. They're giving him all the best chances in

1409
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:32,119
the world to be able to play opening night. We'll

1410
01:11:32,119 --> 01:11:34,680
see out in the knee responds. But I would not

1411
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:37,800
push anything in training camp either. There's really no reason too.

1412
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:40,279
He's a VET, he's thirty three years of age. I

1413
01:11:40,279 --> 01:11:42,359
don't know if he's going to learn anything in training camp.

1414
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:45,880
It'd be nice, but I'm okay with it. Just get

1415
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:46,439
him healthy.

1416
01:11:47,319 --> 01:11:49,319
Speaker 1: There we go. Just get him healthy. We'll be back

1417
01:11:49,359 --> 01:11:52,239
next week with real basketball to talk about both beforehand

1418
01:11:52,239 --> 01:11:54,279
out of the game. Thank you for hanging out, and

1419
01:11:54,319 --> 01:11:55,960
as always, let's go Clips