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Speaker 3: And now your hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay
Speaker 3: Cliff Bobo.
Speaker 2: Is that you?
Speaker 4: It is, sir, nice.
Speaker 2: I was hoping it would be you. How are you
Speaker 2: doing today, my friend?
Speaker 4: Good? Good. We just had our second warm day of
Speaker 4: the year. It was fifty six degrees but there was
Speaker 4: no wind and the sun was out, so it felt
Speaker 4: like a ninety.
Speaker 2: Oh that's good and bad. That's good and bad, but
Speaker 2: it's a welcome change. We're having the same heat wave
Speaker 2: up here. It is sixty three right now and it
Speaker 2: is after five pm. It is killer today. Of course,
Speaker 2: I've been working all day and doing other stuff and
Speaker 2: we'll work is kind of loose for me right today.
Speaker 2: It is my day off and I've already been to
Speaker 2: work twice so far, so pretty good.
Speaker 4: It's not bad. Kreta is in the running for a
Speaker 4: job out by Walla Walla, no kidding. Yeah, she's applying
Speaker 4: to and she thinks there's a way less competition.
Speaker 2: Out there, probably true.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so she talked to someone out there and they're like,
Speaker 4: oh yeah, please submit your resume, and they sounded excited.
Speaker 4: So who knows. I could be a Blue Mountains guy
Speaker 4: pretty soon.
Speaker 2: That would be cool. I mean, that'd be great. And
Speaker 2: there's a couple of people work in the Blues, but
Speaker 2: not that many at the end of the day, and
Speaker 2: not that many in the Blues is an awfully big
Speaker 2: area to have like three people working it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jonathan Summerland, Reggie Burgh. There's a few guys that
Speaker 4: we now out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean, well, Jonathan's landed a great job
Speaker 2: or whatever, so I think his time's pretty limited. And Reggie,
Speaker 2: you know, I think he was seven for a while,
Speaker 2: like so I think he's been getting out a little
Speaker 2: bit more. But yeah, there's a few people out there
Speaker 2: doing some good work. But it would be great to
Speaker 2: have you out there too, because I'm going to be
Speaker 2: hitting the Blues a couple of times this year.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I'm stoked for if it works out. And
Speaker 4: it's not the prettiest place. I like being in the
Speaker 4: mountains where we'd be living down in the valley, you know, Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the rollings of an onion field sort of hills.
Speaker 2: Maybe there's a lot of wineries the stuff out there.
Speaker 2: Now they've really turned it around. It's not so much.
Speaker 2: You know, Walla wall is famous in our neck of
Speaker 2: the woods for onions essentially, you know. But it's a
Speaker 2: great little place. I really like Walla Wall actually, and
Speaker 2: the Blues are awesome.
Speaker 4: It's the nap of Washington.
Speaker 2: Is it? Is that what they're saying.
Speaker 4: That's what I heard.
Speaker 2: Walla Walla, Napa Napa. Yeah, well cool, you got to
Speaker 2: keep us posted on that. I'd love to have you out.
Speaker 2: That'd be closer. I mean you'd be about four hours
Speaker 2: for me versus the seven that I think you are now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it'll be just forty five minutes for me this
Speaker 4: coming up week, and then I'll be about ten seconds
Speaker 4: three when it comes to your house for a couple
Speaker 4: of days at the end.
Speaker 2: Well, is that you know? Melissa has been asking have
Speaker 2: you heard from Bobo? Say, no, no indication. I think
Speaker 2: he's going to stay here, said, I have no idea.
Speaker 2: We won't know until midnight when he's going to show up.
Speaker 2: You know, like he'll call me at eleven thirty or
Speaker 2: midnight and Cliff, I'm in Salem, Can I say true? Okay? Man?
Speaker 2: Of course we knew you're gonna be in town, so
Speaker 2: we knew you're gonna be here eventually. Oh and everybody
Speaker 2: people coming in the shop, you know, this past week
Speaker 2: or whatever, they people ask about you the sh up,
Speaker 2: of course, and they say, how's Bobo doing it? Oh
Speaker 2: he's blah blah Blah's good. He might be up here
Speaker 2: this week. And they always ask, you know what they
Speaker 2: always ask, now, is he going to take his trailer home?
Speaker 4: I'm planning on grabbing it.
Speaker 2: I that it was pretty great. It's like I can
Speaker 2: always tell who listens to the podcast because they're asking
Speaker 2: me what's up with Bobo's trailer?
Speaker 4: I might sell might be selling it pretty soon here.
Speaker 2: Oh really, well, you know, we happen to have a
Speaker 2: few people listening to the podcast. Maybe one of them
Speaker 2: would want to buy it.
Speaker 4: It's dope. It's a sweet littlechil. I just kind of
Speaker 4: fix it. It just sat sat for a while, and
Speaker 4: it was just minor things. But I'm not like that mechanical.
Speaker 4: But it was like the heat, the heating system, air
Speaker 4: conditioner worked when I parked it, and then it didn't
Speaker 4: work after like six months, like and then the I
Speaker 4: got to replace the pilot light little burner thing and
Speaker 4: for the hot water. That was about it.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you know, if you can't turn that into
Speaker 2: a bobo's Airbnb, then you might as well sell it
Speaker 2: unless you're going to be camping a lot.
Speaker 4: So yeah, and.
Speaker 2: An airbnb, no matter how good of an idea that is,
Speaker 2: that would take a lot of work, I think.
Speaker 4: Yeah, especially for that truck. You get like eighty bucks
Speaker 4: a night and you got to clean it every time
Speaker 4: and discovered, you know, do all that to do with
Speaker 4: like all the bedding and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because you know, the big potters are rather
Speaker 2: messy folks. Sometimes he probably get a pretty dirty imagine,
Speaker 2: you know, being out in the mud and all that jazz.
Speaker 4: So yeah, but who knows, maybe maybe put it up
Speaker 4: in the blues if we're up there, rent it out
Speaker 4: for the blues or who knows what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the world is your oyster, you know, come
Speaker 2: get the pearl.
Speaker 4: Well, I was looking at if we get something like
Speaker 4: if we get because it's pretty slim pickings out there
Speaker 4: for housing, So if we got like a one bedroom,
Speaker 4: might bring it up there just parking outside for like
Speaker 4: extra room or guest room or whatever, office, podcasting booth.
Speaker 2: Whatever podcasting booth. That's an idea.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: Well doing this. We got a new guest on this week.
Speaker 4: We got an author from the great state of New York,
Speaker 4: Bill Sheehan. He's the writer of Terror in the Woods.
Speaker 4: Think there's about six of those books now, and I've
Speaker 4: always heard, you know, people really enjoyed them. I've read
Speaker 4: two of them the way through. He's got a ton
Speaker 4: of contacts, tons of stories. Really interesting guy. People love him.
Speaker 4: So Cliff meet Bill.
Speaker 2: Bill's nice to meet you, man, say me and gentlemen,
Speaker 2: it's like an old home week.
Speaker 1: You're listening to you guys.
Speaker 4: Here's a podcast too.
Speaker 2: Oh you have a bit podcast really Bigfoot Terror in
Speaker 2: the Woods. Bigfoot Terror in the Woods now is that
Speaker 2: the name of the of the book as well? Because
Speaker 2: when I looked up terr in the Woods, some TV
Speaker 2: show came up or something like that.
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know, but my books are entitled Bigfoot
Speaker 1: Terror in the Woods, Sidings and Encounters. There's ten ten volumes,
Speaker 1: and nine of them are laid down an audio book.
Speaker 2: So there you go. That explains it. Just because Terror
Speaker 2: in the Wood seems to be there's like an IMDb thing.
Speaker 2: It seems to be some sort of a three season
Speaker 2: TV show, And I wasn't sure if you were associated
Speaker 2: with that or if they just ripped you off or
Speaker 2: or coincidental or what, you know, the story behind that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they just ripped me off. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Good, I mean you have something good man, it's a
Speaker 2: good title then, yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, even the cover art on my books.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of people writing Bigfoot stories now on
Speaker 1: Amazon and they've kind of clipped into my cover art
Speaker 1: and whatnot. Which, look, I don't mind, because it's props
Speaker 1: to me as far as I'm concerned. They saw something
Speaker 1: good or they like what I'm doing and they're trying
Speaker 1: to mimic it in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's kind of like it's got to
Speaker 2: benefit you in some way too, because I was thinking, like, like,
Speaker 2: for example, when the Travel Channel show Expedition Bigfoot came on,
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, how stoked is Dave and Belinda Bakara for
Speaker 2: owning a Bigfoot museum called Expedition Bigfoot. I mean it
Speaker 2: must have been great for them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, you know, it's one big party, you know,
Speaker 1: the bigfoot phenom. But I kind of beat to my
Speaker 1: own drama. I'm really not concerned what other people are doing.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, me too. I'm I'm exactly on that same page.
Speaker 2: I don't even I don't know who a lot of
Speaker 2: these players are nowadays. I don't know what they're doing
Speaker 2: because I figure, if it's important or really really cool,
Speaker 2: I'm going to hear about it eventually anyway, So I'm
Speaker 2: not out there sick of my nose in other people's
Speaker 2: business and saying, what are you up to? What's that
Speaker 2: person doing? I just don't care, you know.
Speaker 4: Hence Bill's appearance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was saying to Bobo earlier that I'm
Speaker 1: a little bit out of the loop. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: kind of only interested. I'm so busy that I'm really
Speaker 1: only interested in what I'm doing and how I'm getting
Speaker 1: it done. From day to day. I don't really have
Speaker 1: time for much else, you know, as far as opinions
Speaker 1: and bantering back and forth with people or non believers
Speaker 1: or believers. You know, when you're busy, you're busy, and
Speaker 1: I just got to stay focused and keep the wheels turning. Forward.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you one hundred percent. I think that's
Speaker 2: probably the best attitude to have in this bigfoot subject. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you have some friends that you share your stuff with,
Speaker 2: and you just keep your nose of the grindstone, keep
Speaker 2: doing which you enjoy doing, no matter what that is,
Speaker 2: and maybe at the end of the day you can
Speaker 2: contribute something that might be a value.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I find that. I told Bobes that I've
Speaker 1: created a lot of really solid friendships around North America
Speaker 1: doing this work. And one of the things that I
Speaker 1: stick to is that I have no reason whatsoever to
Speaker 1: not believe these individuals had the encounters that they say
Speaker 1: they've had, because they could easily turn the tables on me. Now,
Speaker 1: I've never encountered a Bigfoot, but I've had numerous UFO
Speaker 1: encounters and several Angelic encounters during my lifetime.
Speaker 2: Angelic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now listen, anybody could hear a story told
Speaker 1: by me and say, hey, Bill, you're full of beans,
Speaker 1: but they'd be lying. They'd be deceived because I'm not
Speaker 1: full of beans. It's exactly what happened to me, whether
Speaker 1: you choose to believe me or not. So when I
Speaker 1: interview people I get what I call a check in
Speaker 1: my spirit if somebody's bs and me. I can't really
Speaker 1: describe that to you, But when I'm talking to people,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty keen on who's lying to me and who
Speaker 1: isn't you know? And I attribute that to the good
Speaker 1: old sixth sense, you know, like in the sixties when
Speaker 1: we entered someplace, we used to say, I got a
Speaker 1: bad vibe. And I attribute that to the same feeling
Speaker 1: which a lot of people seem to have lost touch
Speaker 1: with in this day and age. They have no sensitivity.
Speaker 2: I've been told I have a sixth sense, but it
Speaker 2: was they said, a success of humor.
Speaker 1: No, that's a sixth sense.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm so sorry. You know my hearing
Speaker 2: isn't the bast man. I'm so I can't believe I misunderstood.
Speaker 2: How embarrassing.
Speaker 4: Hey, Bill, what percent of people do you think? How
Speaker 4: did you get some any things? Trying to pull your
Speaker 4: leg on the big Foot stories.
Speaker 1: I would say the vast majority of people that I
Speaker 1: speak to better than ninety percent of telling me the.
Speaker 2: Truth, or at least their truth. I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, for instance, if somebody says to me that
Speaker 1: they believe that the bigfoot they sighted was two thousand pounds,
Speaker 1: or it was eleven feet tall. If you run into
Speaker 1: something that's tremendous, it would be very easy, especially if
Speaker 1: you're not familiar with like walking around Clivesdale's or seeing
Speaker 1: a bison in Yosemite. It'd be very easy to overestimate
Speaker 1: or exaggerate that which you have seen, would it not?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, sure, so you know.
Speaker 1: Maybe they said it was twelve feet tall and it
Speaker 1: was nine feet Maybe they said it was two thousand
Speaker 1: pounds and it was nine hundred pounds. I mean, how
Speaker 1: do you wrong somebody when they say something like that.
Speaker 1: What they're describing to you is something so off the
Speaker 1: charts was what they're familiar with in their life that
Speaker 1: the numbers just kind of escalate if you follow me.
Speaker 1: And I never hold that against them.
Speaker 2: Oh you can't, because people I say this all the time.
Speaker 2: I'm always ranting that people are pretty bad observers, and
Speaker 2: they're even worse with numbers of heights and distances and weights.
Speaker 2: You just can't.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't even bother. I don't take it to heart
Speaker 2: anybody who says they see a big foot that's eight
Speaker 2: feet tall or ten or twelve feet tall, I just
Speaker 2: go big. I have three different categories that I put
Speaker 2: them in, like small man or human size, and then
Speaker 2: big you know that kind of thing, And anything over
Speaker 2: seven and a half I just consider big. And if
Speaker 2: it's seven foot nine inches or eight foot twelve eleven
Speaker 2: inches or god knows or whatever, it doesn't matter. It's
Speaker 2: just big because they don't know, and there's no way
Speaker 2: to know, even if they brush their head against some leaf.
Speaker 2: All that sort of stuff is very imprecise science as
Speaker 2: far as I'm concerned. So you're walking on ice, cliff, oh,
Speaker 2: I don't mind. I don't mind dropping through ice. Every
Speaker 2: once in a while.
Speaker 4: I'll say this. I thought I thought those people were
Speaker 4: all like exaggerate. I thought ten foot had to be maximum.
Speaker 4: But Danny and I have seen that one. You had
Speaker 4: a laser range finder on it. We saw its head
Speaker 4: touched the branch, and I think it was about eleven
Speaker 4: foot tall. I mean it was. I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 4: I was I they were big, and I was in
Speaker 4: shock how big it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know there's genetic variation, like like look
Speaker 2: at you, look at you, and I bobo, like we're
Speaker 2: arguably the same species, and I'm five foot eights. You know,
Speaker 2: if I'm not slouching, and you're you're six foot four
Speaker 2: with your boots on, and you're well over seven feet
Speaker 2: when you wear your personality.
Speaker 4: Thank you, you flatter me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, you know what one of the most recent, well,
Speaker 1: a couple of accounts that came my way that I
Speaker 1: wasn't going to talk about tonight, but just to give
Speaker 1: you an idea, I made the acquaintance of a really
Speaker 1: straight shooting guy that used to fly bush in Alaska,
Speaker 1: and he's a listener to the podcast. He squared up
Speaker 1: with me one day and spent about an hour and
Speaker 1: a half slowly going through my Q and A about
Speaker 1: his encounter over to Mendenhall Glacier in Alaska flying bush
Speaker 1: and he was flying with a couple of people in
Speaker 1: the plane, a small piper. He came over to glacier
Speaker 1: and he said he was about forty miles outside of
Speaker 1: Juno at the time, which was well beyond the furthermost
Speaker 1: reaches of even snowmobilers, and he started observing a track
Speaker 1: line down on the glacier below him. So, of course
Speaker 1: the people in the plane with him, they're just civilians
Speaker 1: in a ride. He started to follow the track line
Speaker 1: and came across a group of bigfoot walking along the
Speaker 1: greci the glacier. And there are certain rules they follow
Speaker 1: up there about especially when you have passengers. He told me,
Speaker 1: if I didn't have any passengers, I would have given
Speaker 1: him a crew cut. But he said he knew what
Speaker 1: he was talking about. He banked a turn, came down
Speaker 1: a little lower to try to get a better look
Speaker 1: at them. But the backstory is this, other people in
Speaker 1: the company that he worked for had been taking some
Speaker 1: like deec people up in the glacier periodically to do
Speaker 1: core samples of the ice and a variety of different things.
Speaker 1: And these people were well familiar with the bigfoot, and
Speaker 1: they thought that they were coming across from the Canadian
Speaker 1: side and going through this portion of Alaska getting to
Speaker 1: the lind Canal when the salmon run was heavy in there.
Speaker 1: It's interesting, you know, some of the things you hear about.
Speaker 1: I get an education from these people at the loggers,
Speaker 1: the hunters, even the hikers. I mean, you guys know
Speaker 1: you've done a lot of legwork walking around in the forest.
Speaker 1: I always say that people see something because they're looking
Speaker 1: sounds mundane, but there's a lot of people walking around
Speaker 1: out there with their head up their butt or in
Speaker 1: their cell phone, and they're not gonna see anything because
Speaker 1: they're not looking, they're not out there, they're not observing.
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Speaker 4: Did did the other people on the planet see it?
Speaker 4: Did he mention that to the guests or the customer passengers?
Speaker 1: Well, what Jerry told me was the first thing they
Speaker 1: think about when he throttles back and banks the plane
Speaker 1: is that they're going down. And the one guy who
Speaker 1: was sitting next to him said, what do you see?
Speaker 1: And he pointed down and the guy said to him,
Speaker 1: what's that? And he said sasquatch And the guy just
Speaker 1: looked at him like, you know, no kidding?
Speaker 4: How many were there? He said, there were several. Did
Speaker 4: you mentioned how many different sizes?
Speaker 1: I think he said there was about five. But when
Speaker 1: he looked at them. He was still a good height
Speaker 1: above them. You know, we're talking like a thousand feet.
Speaker 1: He explained to me that when you go from Juno
Speaker 1: to Skagway, which is where they were heading that day,
Speaker 1: He said, you would typically fly directly over the Linn
Speaker 1: Canal or up over the Mendenhall Glacier. The fairs that
Speaker 1: were with him that day wanted to go over the
Speaker 1: Lynn Canal so they could see some orcers, and Jerry
Speaker 1: said that he had just done a mail run from
Speaker 1: Skagway in the morning and there were no orcers in
Speaker 1: the canal, so he took them over to Mendenhall Glacier
Speaker 1: and that's how this whole thing fell out. But when
Speaker 1: you're all over the glacier, Jerry said, they had rules
Speaker 1: about maintaining a certain altitude so that if you had
Speaker 1: engine failure, you'd have a better glide rate from a
Speaker 1: certain altitude to get down and hopefully get to a
Speaker 1: place where you could set the bird down. So it's interesting,
Speaker 1: you know, when I say you get an education from
Speaker 1: some of these people, it's just that way, Like when
Speaker 1: I talked to the many loggers that I talked to. Cliff,
Speaker 1: you'll get a kick out of this.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: One of my newfound bigfoot buddies, Dave. I won't mention
Speaker 1: his last name. He's a logger for going on forty years.
Speaker 1: He had an encounter and also another logging crew in
Speaker 1: the salmon Berry Canyon.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, that's local here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And they were doing he's actually had a couple
Speaker 1: of encounters, but they were doing a clean out on
Speaker 1: a site. He's a driver. He drives a log truck
Speaker 1: in and out. And the road going into this site
Speaker 1: is twenty five miles long into the woods. And when
Speaker 1: he was going in early in the morning four point
Speaker 1: thirty I think he said, his lights in the trees
Speaker 1: hit something leaning against the side of a trunk. And
Speaker 1: they're not going fast. You know, this is a dirt
Speaker 1: road created for these big, heavy trucks to move in
Speaker 1: and out of it. Some of them are all over
Speaker 1: some dicey situations in there. He saw this thing and
Speaker 1: he told me it was the biggest silver back gorilla
Speaker 1: I ever set eyes on. And it froze when the
Speaker 1: headlights hit it, leaning against the trunk of a tree, like,
Speaker 1: you know, standing still, like it didn't want to be seen.
Speaker 1: But he knew what he had seen. So now fast
Speaker 1: forward a little bit. In there working this site, one
Speaker 1: of the guys on the landing had said he heard
Speaker 1: people talking in the woods and he couldn't understand them. Now,
Speaker 1: Dave hadn't let on what he had seen to anybody,
Speaker 1: and then the shuttle operator also chimed in and said
Speaker 1: he heard some people talking in the woods and he
Speaker 1: couldn't understand them either. So the shuttle operator takes it
Speaker 1: on himself to drive around on any of the dirt
Speaker 1: pathways that he could with the truck, looking seeking out
Speaker 1: who might be in the woods, and he found nobody.
Speaker 1: Now a short time later, now Dave had seen this
Speaker 1: giant what he described as a silver back. He knew
Speaker 1: it was a bigfoot, but he was trying to put
Speaker 1: into perspective what he was looking at, black and gray, bigfoot, monstrous.
Speaker 1: When they cleaned out their site and left, another logging
Speaker 1: company had come in behind them doing another area using
Speaker 1: the same road. So fast forward to the summertime. Dave
Speaker 1: runs into a couple of these blokes from this other
Speaker 1: logging company and he says to him, hey, did you
Speaker 1: see anything up there while you guys were working? And
Speaker 1: the guy says to him, see anything. We saw a
Speaker 1: freaking bigfoot walking down the cut line and ducking back
Speaker 1: into the woods. That was silver and gray or white
Speaker 1: and gray.
Speaker 2: It's more verification right there, yeah.
Speaker 1: Right there. I mean you're talking close proximity, within miles
Speaker 1: of where Dave was when he saw this thing against
Speaker 1: a tree. Then the gibberish being heard around the landing
Speaker 1: side off into the woods. And now the whole crew
Speaker 1: saw this bigfoot because the guys up on the landing
Speaker 1: first saw it. Then they radio down to the guys
Speaker 1: in the brush, signaling to them to take a look.
Speaker 1: And everybody was watching this thing walk right down their
Speaker 1: cutline and then ducking back into the woods. So I mean,
Speaker 1: just really interesting, you know. But again, you know, I've
Speaker 1: had encounters happen and basically fairly urban areas. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, where houses are built, and this typically always
Speaker 1: plenty of forest around adjoining these houses. But not every
Speaker 1: bigfoot siding, as you well know, has to happen in
Speaker 1: the middle of a koutene or something.
Speaker 2: You know, It's very common misunderstanding is that people think
Speaker 2: you have to go in the middle of nowhere to
Speaker 2: have Sasquatch reports and that doesn't make any sense even
Speaker 2: from the get go, because really, to have a bigfoot report,
Speaker 2: you have to have a sasquatch at a place that
Speaker 2: a human is at, and if we're ever going to
Speaker 2: hear about it, there has to be an investigator nearby
Speaker 2: who's willing to listen and share it. So most bigfoot
Speaker 2: reports happened where those two species overlap, sasquatches and humans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a guy in New Jersey. And by
Speaker 1: the way, a lot of the data that I've collected
Speaker 1: comes from very diverse areas. I mean everywhere from Florida
Speaker 1: to Maine. A lot of activity in Quebec and Alberta
Speaker 1: in Canada, British Columbia, your neck of the Woods, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Kentucky, Texas,
Speaker 1: the Dakota is Ohio. I mean it just Michigan and
Speaker 1: the Upper Peninsula in Michigan. Yeah, it just goes on
Speaker 1: and on and on. So what do you say. Look,
Speaker 1: I had a bus driver. I had a woman bus
Speaker 1: driver who was driving what you would call like a
Speaker 1: mini bus. She was waging. She had a custom of
Speaker 1: parking on the side of this road, drinking her coffee
Speaker 1: in the morning, letting the bus warm up before it
Speaker 1: was time to begin her little route, and she was
Speaker 1: drinking coffee and something slammed into the side of the bus.
Speaker 1: She turned her head and saw the body of a bigfoot,
Speaker 1: so big that she couldn't see the top. She punched
Speaker 1: a gas taken off in this mini bus, and the
Speaker 1: bigfoot slammed her in the rear door, breaking the back
Speaker 1: window and denting the door on the emergency door. When
Speaker 1: she got back and told the boss what happened, she
Speaker 1: didn't do her route. She went right back to the barn.
Speaker 1: They fired her. They thought she was bs in her
Speaker 1: and she was telling them the truth about what had happened.
Speaker 1: They thought she backed into something, you know, poor driving,
Speaker 1: smashed the door and broke the window out, and that
Speaker 1: was the end of her career over there. But little
Speaker 1: things like that, you know, just strange things. People having
Speaker 1: their henhouses ransacked. I had a guy I had a
Speaker 1: story I called the meat freezer incident. This fellow had
Speaker 1: a barn behind his house and he put a giant
Speaker 1: frigidare floor freezer in there, you know those old ones
Speaker 1: where you'd pull on the handle and lift the whole
Speaker 1: lid up. He got this thing in the yard sale,
Speaker 1: and he put it in there as a venison locker,
Speaker 1: and he had bolted through with carriage bolts, a galvanized
Speaker 1: clasp on the lid, and master lock on it. And
Speaker 1: this bigfoot ripped the freaking carriage bolts out, the clasp
Speaker 1: and the master lock off the freezer. I mean you
Speaker 1: want to talk about strength. You know, these things are
Speaker 1: off the charts as far as physical strength and abilities go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's pretty common. The meat freezer like things like
Speaker 4: outdoor fridges and meat freezers like I've heard at least
Speaker 4: two dozen reports of that happening getting raided.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, listen, you guys know these things are opportunists. Uh,
Speaker 1: and they're not unlike a lot of other animals who
Speaker 1: know what's around their area. They know when the fruit
Speaker 1: trees are in bloom. They know where to get their fish,
Speaker 1: They know where to get a drink of water if
Speaker 1: they want one. Uh, you know, they're rare. I have
Speaker 1: a if we get a chance. Tonight, I brought a
Speaker 1: you know, Bubba, I was talking to you. I said,
Speaker 1: do you want me to read any accounts? I picked
Speaker 1: a variety here, but one of them I named where
Speaker 1: the ravens gather that's gonna blow your mind if we
Speaker 1: get to reading that. But I've had several reports of
Speaker 1: people seeing bigfoot in trees. Nest Robin, I don't know
Speaker 1: what you think about that, or what you may or
Speaker 1: may not have heard about that. I've heard that, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: bigfoot up in trees, like grabbing eggs or chicks or
Speaker 1: whatever they're doing up there, you know.
Speaker 2: Even full sized ones or just the littler ones, or
Speaker 2: is there a pattern to the size of the animals
Speaker 2: that are up in the trees.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know, just big enough to know them
Speaker 1: as being a bigfoot. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Gotcha?
Speaker 1: So look, I have a guy who calls himself weasel.
Speaker 1: He's an ongoing investigator for me up in Alberta.
Speaker 2: That's cool. I know a couple of guys that I
Speaker 2: call weasel bit for different reason.
Speaker 1: I didn't say he is a weasel. That's a different
Speaker 1: terminology in Brooklyn, but he called himself weasel. And he's
Speaker 1: actually Ukrainian. His parents came over from Ukraine and settled
Speaker 1: up there. But he's a really interesting cat. He has
Speaker 1: an infatuation more than that actually in the bigfoot creature,
Speaker 1: and he's hunting these things high and low up there,
Speaker 1: and he has a lot of connections with many indigenous
Speaker 1: tribal people up in that neck of woods, and so
Speaker 1: people are now coming to him with reports and giving
Speaker 1: him heads up. But one of the things that Weasel
Speaker 1: came on to was that there were bigfoot creatures visiting
Speaker 1: a couple of dump sites up there, in other words,
Speaker 1: garbage dumps. And he stakes these places out in tree
Speaker 1: stands at night using optics and whatnot to catch the
Speaker 1: creatures coming out of the woods, and it's them bears.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of activity at the dumps at night.
Speaker 1: And he sent me photographs of what he says is
Speaker 1: a little bigfoot sitting up in a nest in a tree.
Speaker 1: And he has gone to this nest site during the
Speaker 1: day when nothing's around there, and he said, the whole
Speaker 1: bottom of the nest and the trunk of the tree
Speaker 1: below the nest is just like dripping with crap. So
Speaker 1: these things are sitting in the nest and pooping right
Speaker 1: in their own nest, and it's dripping down out of
Speaker 1: the sticks and going on the tree. But he says
Speaker 1: he believes that the parents are putting the young'uns up
Speaker 1: in the nest while they go out foraging or hunting,
Speaker 1: because the timberwolves, if they were on the ground, would
Speaker 1: kill them. Now, I don't know what you think about
Speaker 1: any of that stuff, but again this is coming from
Speaker 1: a guy then Weasel the.
Speaker 2: Weasel, a guy named Weasel. Yeah, well, it sounds like
Speaker 2: he's maybe he's seeing it, has an observation, and he's
Speaker 2: trying to make sense out of it. He's trying to
Speaker 2: figure out, Okay, what's going on, because how does how
Speaker 2: does he connect the wolves to this?
Speaker 1: Well, he doesn't. He just knows they're there. And his
Speaker 1: theory is that they are being put in the tree
Speaker 1: for protection when the parents.
Speaker 2: On around right right, which could very well be the case.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, my brother was up in Alaska a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago. He went in by bush plane to
Speaker 1: fish salmon on this remote river and they had a
Speaker 1: guard with them that had a pump action shotgun, and
Speaker 1: they had huge bears, I mean walking within like ten
Speaker 1: fifteen feet of them on the river. And I said
Speaker 1: to my brother, you know, you're out of your mind, man,
Speaker 1: And he said the guard said that he carries his
Speaker 1: shotgun with them all the time and he's never had
Speaker 1: to use it in over a decade. So these bears
Speaker 1: are so preoccupied with the fish and so stuffed to
Speaker 1: the fill with the salmon, they're not even interested in
Speaker 1: what these guys are doing. But it was told to
Speaker 1: him that the mother bears will put their cubs up
Speaker 1: in a tree, and the fella referred to it as
Speaker 1: what did he call it? What do you call it?
Speaker 1: When little kids go to daycare, like something like baby
Speaker 1: bear daycare or something like that, they show them up
Speaker 1: into trees while they go do stuff to keep them safe.
Speaker 1: So it kind of rang true to me a little
Speaker 1: bit across the species a bear and bigfoot that maybe
Speaker 1: these guys do the same thing.
Speaker 4: Maybe I'd never heard that before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what you make of that. I'm
Speaker 1: just sharing information with you. Yeah. Now, I was mentioned
Speaker 1: to Bobo earlier today. We were talking on the phone
Speaker 1: and I said, you know, when people talk to me,
Speaker 1: other encounters come into my mind. So it's like there's
Speaker 1: a recessed database in my brain that's jogged when people
Speaker 1: talk about what happened with them.
Speaker 4: That's a good, that's a good.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, yeah, because there's too much, it's overloaded, and
Speaker 1: I can't recall everything. But when you start sharing about
Speaker 1: your encounter, suddenly a connected dots starts happening within my
Speaker 1: mind and the details of a certain encounter start coming through,
Speaker 1: and I start to realize that there are similarities across
Speaker 1: the board, uh with encounters with bigfoot. And I'm sure
Speaker 1: you guys have found that through the years, because I'm
Speaker 1: certainly no loan wolf here. But there are a lot
Speaker 1: of the creatures of habit and what one does and
Speaker 1: one sees typically somebody else has seen the same or
Speaker 1: different creature obviously doing the same thing.
Speaker 2: And probably in the same area.
Speaker 1: Could be you know, I'm not lucky enough to have
Speaker 1: ongoing encounters in the same region. I shouldn't say region,
Speaker 1: like in the same what's the word I'm looking for.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, sure, yeah, local or something. Yeah, but you
Speaker 2: must be you must be seeing this if you're plotting
Speaker 2: these on a map, like the same general areas produce
Speaker 2: a fair number of the sidings out of that partecure zone.
Speaker 1: Well, for sure, no small statement I'm making here. The
Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest, where you guys live, is above and beyond
Speaker 1: any other area of the country for sidings and encounters.
Speaker 1: Second to that area is Alberta, Canada, and then from
Speaker 1: there it's a crapshoot nationwide as far as sporadic sidings
Speaker 1: here and there. Another hotspot is Maine and some of
Speaker 1: the southern states, Michigan, Ohio, southern Illinois. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: there's stuff going on Montana, and you know what, guys,
Speaker 1: you find the food sources, you find the water, and
Speaker 1: you find Bigfoot. And that's the bottom line. I cannot
Speaker 1: tell you how many guys fishing fly fishing, whether you're
Speaker 1: drifting in a boat, standing on the shore in some
Speaker 1: relatively remote location. I can't tell you how many fishermen
Speaker 1: have sightings of Bigfoot by the shores of a lake,
Speaker 1: a river, or a stream. It's just it's a credible
Speaker 1: you know. So they're not unlike a deer or any
Speaker 1: other creature. You want to get a drink, you gotta
Speaker 1: go where the water is. And let's face it, unless
Speaker 1: you're in Minnesota, there isn't exactly water everywhere you walk,
Speaker 1: so you've got to get to it. And you know
Speaker 1: they need water, just like we do.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 2: Bobo will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: Oh you know, Bill, a great story some of other
Speaker 4: day you have a witness an see if you remember
Speaker 4: where it was that saw the sasquatch put its hands
Speaker 4: his mouth and like make a motion like it was vocalizing.
Speaker 4: It made a loud knock sound.
Speaker 1: Yeah. See, here's another interesting thing. I actually have one
Speaker 1: of my listeners who just contacted me the other day.
Speaker 1: He's like a field investigator and his name is Ricky,
Speaker 1: lives in Oha, and he's retired now. And he says
Speaker 1: to me, Hey, Bill, what do you think of me
Speaker 1: working on a project for you? He said, because he
Speaker 1: needs something to do, and he's going to use some
Speaker 1: application on word, and he's going to go through all
Speaker 1: the books reading them and he's going to log where
Speaker 1: they were basically what happened the location. And I said,
Speaker 1: great idea, Rick, I mean, if you don't want to,
Speaker 1: you don't mind doing it. I'll be glad to be
Speaker 1: the recipient of it. You know. But the name of
Speaker 1: that story I entitled that account it's not wood. Now.
Speaker 1: This couple, the husband was a landscape photographer, just like
Speaker 1: a hobby. He used to go out and beautiful locations,
Speaker 1: doing panoramic shots, just hiking, enjoying mother nature and taking photographs. Now,
Speaker 1: they had entered into this area and they heard a
Speaker 1: loud knock, and they said, like the wife said, what
Speaker 1: was that? Well as this setting up their cameras and whatnot,
Speaker 1: She's looking with a pair of binoculars and scopes out
Speaker 1: something moving around in the distance on a hillside. So
Speaker 1: then the husband zooms in on it, and all they
Speaker 1: could see was this little being that was black, and
Speaker 1: they saw it raise its hands to its face, and
Speaker 1: when it raised its hands to its face, they heard
Speaker 1: the knock again, and then the arms lowered. And the
Speaker 1: interesting thing was that they told me they described this
Speaker 1: thing as looking like a nervous man waiting for a bus.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget it as long as I lived, because
Speaker 1: they said it was pacing around on this hillside, back
Speaker 1: and forth, like it was freaking on speed or something.
Speaker 1: And when it stopped and raised its hands up to
Speaker 1: his face, they heard the knock and then the arms lowered.
Speaker 1: So I took the presumptive leap of saying that it's
Speaker 1: not wood. In other words, it's not a wood knock.
Speaker 1: It's an internal sound made through the throat the mouth.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you want to label it as
Speaker 1: coming out from this enormous creature that we call the Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you think of at You.
Speaker 4: Know, how many times do they hear it?
Speaker 1: Twice once coming in that made them like kind of
Speaker 1: listen and look, and then again when she saw the
Speaker 1: creature raise his hands to its mouth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. I think they make those noises in
Speaker 2: a variety of ways. I've got a I think I
Speaker 2: have two reports of them hitting tree, hitting stick against trees.
Speaker 2: I think I have three of them second hand step clapping,
Speaker 2: and now there's another one at their mouth. I think
Speaker 2: that I think the human way of thinking is a
Speaker 2: little bit too rigid for sasquatches and what their reality
Speaker 2: actually is. We tend to think this or that, but
Speaker 2: nowhere in between were In all likelihood they do things
Speaker 2: in a variety of ways, and probably for a variety
Speaker 2: of reasons as well. I think that they're much more
Speaker 2: flexible in their behaviors than humans are in our thinking.
Speaker 4: Did they ever see it leave? Was it sitting there
Speaker 4: the whole time?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, it did leave. It was pacing around for
Speaker 1: a while and then walked away out of the field
Speaker 1: of view, but it was at a great distance but
Speaker 1: they said, they said they knew it was a bigfoot.
Speaker 1: They when they saw this little thing in their glasses,
Speaker 1: they said to themselves, that's a freaking sasquatch.
Speaker 4: Was that it was small and binoculars, but it still sounded.
Speaker 4: They could still hear it even though it was that
Speaker 4: far away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, this is the thing. The sound resonated and
Speaker 1: was loud and clear. So this tremendous power. I mean,
Speaker 1: just like you guys, you know, when you were to
Speaker 1: hear the howls coming from a distance, and if you
Speaker 1: heard a howl coming from shorter range, my god, it
Speaker 1: can make your hair stand up. So these creatures have
Speaker 1: tremendous power and lung capacity. I mean, they're a big bugger.
Speaker 1: Just think of what it's like to be in there
Speaker 1: a lion when it roars, I mean not just reverberates
Speaker 1: through your body. Come on, I mean, who am I
Speaker 1: to criticize? You know? How loud you say this thing was.
Speaker 1: You know, again we fall back on saying how tall
Speaker 1: it really was, how much it really weighed, how loud
Speaker 1: it was. When people are describing things, they're describing such
Speaker 1: things as they're totally unfamiliar with. I never saw anything
Speaker 1: like this in my life. I never heard anything like
Speaker 1: this in my life. This is no animal that I
Speaker 1: know to be in this woods. So you know, you
Speaker 1: have to rely sometimes on the reported expertise or experience
Speaker 1: from people having lived their lives when they tell you something,
Speaker 1: and that's all you have to go by. Where are
Speaker 1: the experts? You know you weren't there? You know, is
Speaker 1: everybody full of crap? I don't think so.
Speaker 2: But you know some people are. And I always enjoyed
Speaker 2: those stories too. Can you tell us a story that
Speaker 2: you've picked up over the years, whether you publish it
Speaker 2: or not, that you just know is complete hogwash? But
Speaker 2: it was still a lot of fun to listen to.
Speaker 1: Uh? No, good, no, no, because everything that I put
Speaker 1: in print, I believe gotcha Okay, And I rely again. Uh.
Speaker 1: I've had some people go down a road with me
Speaker 1: and I just said, this guy is just full of bs,
Speaker 1: and you know, I continue a conversation trying to do
Speaker 1: my due diligence to be a decent car. I really
Speaker 1: I can't wait to get off the phone. And that's
Speaker 1: the end of it.
Speaker 2: Do you think of the people who like that kind
Speaker 2: of person? Do you think that they're just pranksters, or
Speaker 2: do you think that they're mentally ill and believe it
Speaker 2: or or is it all over the board. It could
Speaker 2: be anything.
Speaker 1: Well, I think once in a while you got some
Speaker 1: wise guy who thinks he's just going to call up
Speaker 1: WJ and put one over on him. But I am
Speaker 1: like a really prayerful and spiritual guy, and I'm telling
Speaker 1: you I'm pretty well tuned into eye to eye contact
Speaker 1: and facing off with individuals and knowing when somebody has
Speaker 1: an ulterior motive. So I have no way to quantify
Speaker 1: that as I'm saying that to you, But I rely
Speaker 1: on that time and time again in my lifetime and
Speaker 1: it has wrung true to me one hundred percent of
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 1: So when I hear a hunter tell me I got
Speaker 1: that feeling that it was time to get out of Dodge,
Speaker 1: I'm like, right on, brother, and pay attention to that
Speaker 1: and get the hell out of there.
Speaker 4: How'd you get how'd you start getting all those reports centers?
Speaker 4: I mean, you're going to proportion from Canada all over
Speaker 4: the US. How did people know to reach you?
Speaker 1: Well? See, now, interestingly enough, going back a fair amount
Speaker 1: of years, there were a lot of little rags when
Speaker 1: you went into stores and business places, you know, those
Speaker 1: wire magazine racks you'd see when you come into a
Speaker 1: lobby of a place. Sure, all right, so I don't
Speaker 1: want to insult you guys, but there's a lot of
Speaker 1: that crap here in New York, and I don't know
Speaker 1: what it's like in Oregon, but there are a lot
Speaker 1: of places I could go into around here, going back
Speaker 1: through the decades and come across one of these free newspapers,
Speaker 1: some free publication, and when you went through them, you
Speaker 1: would see that they were interconnected with other papers in
Speaker 1: different areas of the country, and they'd offer you these
Speaker 1: ridiculously low advertising rates to put an ad in there
Speaker 1: for basically whatever you wanted. You could advertise, you know,
Speaker 1: the Charles Atlas muscle band, you know, or you know,
Speaker 1: whatever you wanted to do, as long as you were
Speaker 1: willing to pay the fee, they would publish it. So
Speaker 1: you could run an article in there for I mean peanuts,
Speaker 1: like forty dollars for six weeks of coverage in like
Speaker 1: a bunch of different locations, and you could put an
Speaker 1: ad in there wanted. Those who have seen or encountered
Speaker 1: a bigfoot creature now I have in the cover of
Speaker 1: my books. If you've seen something, say something, and I
Speaker 1: have my email in there. And then, of course now
Speaker 1: we have the podcast, and every podcast I do, I
Speaker 1: encourage people to chime in with us and contact me,
Speaker 1: and they do. But the other remarkable thing is, you know,
Speaker 1: I have a ton of people who give me their
Speaker 1: phone number or reach out to me, and then I
Speaker 1: never hear from them when I contact them. I don't
Speaker 1: know if they get cold feet or change their mind.
Speaker 1: Another interesting thing that I'll throw out to you. I
Speaker 1: also find that people who have had one type of
Speaker 1: encounter have had a number of things happen in their life.
Speaker 1: For instance, somebody sees a bigfoot, they also have a
Speaker 1: poltergeist activity in the house they lived in. Maybe they
Speaker 1: had a UFO encounter.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've noticed that. I mean, that's real calm. People
Speaker 4: that have seen bigfoots, like I'd say a higher percentage
Speaker 4: of have seen the UFO is also another pair of
Speaker 4: normal type you know, ghosts or entities like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now I was mentioning to you bigfoot bigfoot.
Speaker 4: Bill. It might also be that those same people are
Speaker 4: more willing to talk about it, whereas people that are
Speaker 4: like more shy or worried about the reputation they might
Speaker 4: they might seem just as much, but you'd never hear
Speaker 4: about it. That could be the case.
Speaker 2: Also, another possibility is that the people who are willing
Speaker 2: to share the things and this happened to be that
Speaker 2: happened to me, maybe they're more willing to look outside
Speaker 2: the box at their experiences as well, Because I mean,
Speaker 2: I bring this person up kind of a lot. I
Speaker 2: gave a guy a ride home one time from a
Speaker 2: friend's house and he was kind of like poking at
Speaker 2: me for believing in sasquatches, And I said, what was
Speaker 2: the weirdest thing you've ever seen in the woods? And
Speaker 2: he thought he told me about a bear he saw
Speaker 2: walking downhill on two legs, swinging his arms with shoulders
Speaker 2: and all this sudden, you know, And he clearly saw
Speaker 2: a sasquatch, but he didn't put it in that box.
Speaker 2: He didn't put it in that box. So maybe the
Speaker 2: kinds of people who have a hard time explaining what
Speaker 2: they've observed or experienced otherwise are just more willing to
Speaker 2: look outside the normal avenues for explanations of what they've
Speaker 2: experienced or see. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond
Speaker 2: with Cliff and Bogo will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 1: I'm the kind of person where pardon my friend, I
Speaker 1: don't give a shit what you think about me, and
Speaker 1: I will talk to you. I will breach subjects that
Speaker 1: are taboo with most people, and because I don't care
Speaker 1: what people think about me, I open up the subject
Speaker 1: matter and I'm open to their ridicule what they say
Speaker 1: about me. When I leave the room, I open myself
Speaker 1: to all kinds of stuff simply to try to gain information.
Speaker 1: Because when I talk to people and when I share
Speaker 1: with them things that I believe in this that tip quickly,
Speaker 1: either in a group or when they catch you on
Speaker 1: the side. Is when things get a little interesting and
Speaker 1: they get into that safe zone where they're like, I
Speaker 1: could talk to WJ, and I'm going to talk to them,
Speaker 1: And that's when you start to find all of the
Speaker 1: interesting things that they didn't want to say publicly, but
Speaker 1: now they will say it to you. So when when
Speaker 1: people feel safe with you, they will open up to you.
Speaker 1: And when people share secrets with me, they remain secrets.
Speaker 1: I don't like to gossip. I don't want to besmirch
Speaker 1: anybody's reputation. If you tell me something, it's mine and
Speaker 1: nobody else's. If you tell me you don't want your
Speaker 1: name used. If people tell me I could use their
Speaker 1: name in an account, I don't use it. Everybody's name
Speaker 1: attached to every story in my books is fictitious. If
Speaker 1: you tell me your name is Cliff Barrickman, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: call you Dick Tracy.
Speaker 2: I've been called Dick before instead of Cliff here.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, if you're Jimmy Fay, I'm gonna call
Speaker 1: you a Robert Schmidt.
Speaker 2: I think that's great because I know a lot of
Speaker 2: people come seeking me to be her attention wise, you know,
Speaker 2: they want they want to be in the podcast, they
Speaker 2: want name published, and some sort of thing. I'm going
Speaker 2: to write her a blog post. And the best way
Speaker 2: to avoid that is not to give anyone attention.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I avoid the whole thing altogether. You know,
Speaker 1: going back many years, like some people have said to me, well,
Speaker 1: how'd you get interested in this subject? Well, I remember,
Speaker 1: Jason must have been nineteen seventy something.
Speaker 4: I saw the.
Speaker 1: A clip of the Patterson Gimwin film. Now I'm going
Speaker 1: to fast forward to my life today, even though I'm
Speaker 1: not doing this work anymore. I have a degree in
Speaker 1: occupational therapy, and I am well familiar with the muscular
Speaker 1: skeletal system of the human body. And being well familiar
Speaker 1: with that system anatomically, a bipedal creature vis a VI
Speaker 1: sasquatch has to have a very similar muscular skeletal system
Speaker 1: to that which we have. In other words, if you're
Speaker 1: going to have flexion, extension, abduction, deduction of limbs, body parts,
Speaker 1: hand movements, metatarsals, metacarpals, ball and socket joints at the
Speaker 1: shoulders and knees, you know they have to be similar
Speaker 1: to do the movements that they do, because those are
Speaker 1: the movements that we do.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: When I look back at the Pattison Gimblin film, there
Speaker 1: is no way, no how that was a man, a woman,
Speaker 1: or anything else in some kind of monkey suit, because
Speaker 1: the skin is attached to the muscles, and you see
Speaker 1: those muscles moving exactly the way they should when the
Speaker 1: body moves in the movie clip they're pitching to the
Speaker 1: choir here. Yeah, there is no doubt about it. And
Speaker 1: I don't give a rats ass what anybody says about it.
Speaker 1: When I look at that thing dead on true. And
Speaker 1: that's the bottom line. Now, you look at other ridiculous
Speaker 1: stuff like when Andre the Giant put on the monkey
Speaker 1: suit on a six million dollar man, or that beef
Speaker 1: Jerky commercial that was on a few years back with
Speaker 1: the Sasquatch throwing a guy around the campsite and all that.
Speaker 1: Whatever suits they put on a man, they don't act
Speaker 1: the way skin does on skin. They don't act the
Speaker 1: way tissue does a muscle, tissue attached to the dermis
Speaker 1: and the epidermis on a body. You can't mimic that.
Speaker 1: It's got to be connected. It's got to be real.
Speaker 1: It's got to be live time for it to appear
Speaker 1: the way it does. And that's exactly what you're looking
Speaker 1: at in the Patterson Gimbling film. You are looking at
Speaker 1: a living creature that Patterson just was fortunate enough to
Speaker 1: have that camera within that day and catch that clip.
Speaker 1: I've never met the man, I never will. I believe
Speaker 1: one hundred and ten percent that what he and Gimblin
Speaker 1: caught that day is legit evidence. No, there's no doubt
Speaker 1: about it. And again, I don't care what anybody else thinks.
Speaker 1: I'm not asking anybody if they agree with me, I
Speaker 1: frankly do not care what you think about that film clip,
Speaker 1: and that's that's it. I just stand my ground and
Speaker 1: that's it. You could call me a jerk. You could say, boy,
Speaker 1: is that guy drunk the kool aid? Yeah? Okay, so
Speaker 1: I drank the kool aid? What are you drinking?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Sugar free? Was I was gonna asking? I think
Speaker 4: it was I think book three or volume three. Didn't
Speaker 4: you say? Was that the one where he had people
Speaker 4: in the story said they had drone footage from like
Speaker 4: fifty sixty feet away?
Speaker 1: Then well, now, yeah, no, I did have that guy
Speaker 1: that was running a drone on some power lines and
Speaker 1: he was investigating power lines for maintenance purposes. Now here
Speaker 1: you go. He claimed to have footage of flying over
Speaker 1: this bigfoot that was traversing the power lines he was checking.
Speaker 1: But he wasn't willing to share the footage. That's exactly
Speaker 1: like not having footage at all. Yeah, exactly, But the
Speaker 1: account was compelling. Now listen, when you say that you
Speaker 1: have to and I'm not saying you're not, I'll give
Speaker 1: you an example. When you talk about people who were
Speaker 1: willing to share, willing to not something as mundane as
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, the lobby in our hospital
Speaker 1: at night was fairly vacant, which is very unusual. But
Speaker 1: it was late, the building was closed to visitors, and
Speaker 1: at that hour of the night, most people are on
Speaker 1: their unit's working with the patients. I happened to approach
Speaker 1: this new security guard that was sitting at one of
Speaker 1: the stations, and like I introduced, I had waived him
Speaker 1: and said hello to him before, and I just stopped.
Speaker 1: And of course, as is the case with me, like
Speaker 1: who the freak stops to introduce himself to you and
Speaker 1: starts talking bigfoot. Well me, of course, sure, So he says, oh,
Speaker 1: you're into bigfoot. Hold on for a second, and he
Speaker 1: pulls out his iPhone and starts scrolling through all of
Speaker 1: these photographs. And he pulls up this photograph and puts
Speaker 1: it in my face, and it's a picture of a
Speaker 1: guy with a glove on with his hand next to
Speaker 1: a beautiful footprint in the soil in the forest. He says,
Speaker 1: that's my brother's hand next to a bigfoot bigfoot track
Speaker 1: he found in the Adirondacks when he was deer hunted.
Speaker 1: So I asked him, can I have that picture, and
Speaker 1: he says to me, I don't know. I'll ask my brother,
Speaker 1: and his brother told him no, I don't want him
Speaker 1: to have it. I hate that, so a lousy picture
Speaker 1: of a glove. I don't even know the guy's name.
Speaker 1: I didn't ask for his name. I just said, can
Speaker 1: I have that picture? And I was declined.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I've had similar frustrating because it's just there's no
Speaker 4: it's just ridiculous, like the paranoia people.
Speaker 1: And yeah, well, I mean, what can you say. You
Speaker 1: can't make somebody do anything. Now I wish, I really
Speaker 1: really wish we had video today because I have in
Speaker 1: my hand my survival map from Washington State. Now, you
Speaker 1: guys have probably seen clips of this, the photographs, the
Speaker 1: pictures anyway at different times, and you're working with Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: I physically own the map. And this is a three
Speaker 1: foot by five foot map of the four survival training
Speaker 1: areas used by the Air Force Survival School in Washington State.
Speaker 1: I believe it is made out of tyvek, which in
Speaker 1: the seventies Bob Vila on this old house brought to
Speaker 1: the public's eye as a house rap. Do you remember
Speaker 1: that stuff? That's right now? I think this was actually
Speaker 1: created for the military. Now on this map, which is
Speaker 1: unlike any map you have ever seen in your life.
Speaker 1: This was given to me by a lifer in the military,
Speaker 1: and it was given to him by a special Forces
Speaker 1: guy who knew he had interest in the subject to Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: And he came to him one day and said, I
Speaker 1: have something you're really going to be interested in, and
Speaker 1: he laid this map on his desk. In the corner
Speaker 1: of this map, amongst other things, where they have like
Speaker 1: setting the compass for night travel, recovery procedures, celestial navigation aids,
Speaker 1: how to use your watch in the northern hemisphere for navigation.
Speaker 1: There is stuff on here that you can't believe. But
Speaker 1: other things are like edible plants, poisonous plants. And there
Speaker 1: is a section in the corner of the map called
Speaker 1: dangerous animals, my friends. And in this corner of the
Speaker 1: map we have a photograph of a cougar, a moose,
Speaker 1: a badger, a black bear, an American porcupine, a bobcat,
Speaker 1: a coyote. And guess what else is on this Air
Speaker 1: Force map, my friends? Lodnoss, monster, sasquatch leaning on a
Speaker 1: boulder pile. An artist conception of the creature.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've all seen that map that you got an
Speaker 4: original one right.
Speaker 1: Here in my hands. My friend, anybody out here listening
Speaker 1: thinks you're going to come to my house and rob
Speaker 1: this thing. It's not kept in my house, so you
Speaker 1: could forget about it.
Speaker 2: Okay. So apparently our good producer Matt Prue actually has
Speaker 2: seen a copy of the same map here, and Matt
Speaker 2: has just piped in like it will probably be edited
Speaker 2: out of the main episode here, but for those people
Speaker 2: who want to check this out, check out the link
Speaker 2: in the show notes and Matt Pruitt will post his
Speaker 2: video of this same map because he has seen another
Speaker 2: copy of it and it sounds like an extraordinarily rare item.
Speaker 2: It sounds like an amazing thing. So if you want
Speaker 2: to check this out, look at the show notes down below.
Speaker 2: Click that and you will see a short video featuring
Speaker 2: this same map.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, I've seen photos of it, but I've never
Speaker 4: seen the actual map. I never knew anyone that even
Speaker 4: had a copy of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's about three feet by five feet front
Speaker 1: and back. You could put this thing in your built
Speaker 1: in pool for a year and pull it out and
Speaker 1: it will be self a, no deterioration whatsoever. But now
Speaker 1: since then, I ran into another guy. I was talking
Speaker 1: another lifer in the same branch of the service who
Speaker 1: I was talking to about the map, and he said
Speaker 1: that he had gone to survival training in a different area.
Speaker 1: He was familiar with the map, the dimensions, etc. And
Speaker 1: he said there was no bigfoot listed on the map
Speaker 1: in that area. And I said, isn't that interesting because
Speaker 1: they would have put it on there if they were
Speaker 1: familiar with having interacted with it where he was, but
Speaker 1: they weren't. Now, another gentleman said he was at meetings
Speaker 1: in Washington where this map was seen, and you could
Speaker 1: imagine how many people have actually seen this and yet
Speaker 1: we hear very little about it. And when the officer
Speaker 1: in charge was asked about the bigfoot on the map,
Speaker 1: he said, if you run into one of these things,
Speaker 1: do not show any aggression. And one asked why. He
Speaker 1: said that some have and it didn't end well for them.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that's age advice, you know, that's yeah,
Speaker 2: because people ask me all the time in the museum
Speaker 2: are these things dangerous? And and I just say, well,
Speaker 2: look at them, they're potentially dangerous. I don't think they're
Speaker 2: out to get us, because there'd be very few of
Speaker 2: us left if they were. But if you're gonna mess
Speaker 2: with them, you're asking for it. And you look at you,
Speaker 2: look at the listen the very few stories that do
Speaker 2: have violence in them coming from Sasquatches directed towards humans,
Speaker 2: you know Ape Canyon for example, or the Bauman incident,
Speaker 2: and every one of those cases that people shot at them.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you'd be cool to them. They'll be just
Speaker 2: fine with you. Probably. Then again, we also don't hear
Speaker 2: from the people who never who didn't survive.
Speaker 4: That's right, you got to put a cliff in your
Speaker 4: will to get back to go to his museum.
Speaker 2: I feel free to put in your will will.
Speaker 1: Now. The other thing is that I stand by You know,
Speaker 1: when I was younger, I had new paper routes, and
Speaker 1: I knew where all the dogs were in the area
Speaker 1: that I rode my bicycle in, and some dogs would
Speaker 1: know you were coming buy and they'd come out looking
Speaker 1: with the tailwagon, looking to pet you for you to
Speaker 1: pet them, and other dogs every single day they were
Speaker 1: looking to get to jump on you and rip you
Speaker 1: a new butt.
Speaker 2: So I think.
Speaker 1: That bigfoot creatures are like any other creature out there,
Speaker 1: you don't know what you're getting. You don't know the disposition,
Speaker 1: you don't know what they're thinking, what their next move
Speaker 1: is going to be, and it may be a move
Speaker 1: that may remove you as a living being from the
Speaker 1: face of this earth.
Speaker 4: Hey, Billy, we'll run a long time. I know you
Speaker 4: got some great stories of Goble to have some pretty
Speaker 4: like gnarly encounters. You got to those at the top.
Speaker 4: You can give us one.
Speaker 1: Let me read you where the ravens gather, which as
Speaker 1: a nest robbing incident, And I think you guys will
Speaker 1: really get a little bit of a charge at it.
Speaker 1: This you want to hear it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: So this unusual siding was brought to my attention by
Speaker 1: a fellow named Oloff Jurgensen who was hunting in the
Speaker 1: Otter Tail range June twenty seventh of two thousand and four.
Speaker 1: And this is what Oloff said he saw. I was
Speaker 1: on the hunt, working my way through the timber between
Speaker 1: Zinc and sod Light Creeks, with my end goal being
Speaker 1: the surrounds of South Tower, which was in full view
Speaker 1: to my northeast. Having reached a point where I was
Speaker 1: about four hours into the morning. In my mind, I
Speaker 1: was thinking that I would stop for a break, when
Speaker 1: suddenly I began to hear the low, gurgling core of
Speaker 1: a flock of ravens, which seemed to be ahead of me.
Speaker 1: At this point, I couldn't see the birds, but I
Speaker 1: can only hear their distant calls as I hiked onward,
Speaker 1: being stimulated now by the coals of the ravens and
Speaker 1: wondering what the ruckus was all about. I had moved
Speaker 1: forward through the timber about another seventy five yards or
Speaker 1: so to a point where I could now see the
Speaker 1: ravens circling in the sky just ahead of me. The
Speaker 1: raven is considered to be one of the smallest birds,
Speaker 1: being deemed able to solve a six piece puzzle. They
Speaker 1: seek out nests of other birds, and when found, one
Speaker 1: raven will distract any birds that may be protecting the nests,
Speaker 1: while the other birds robert blind. The ravens, however, were
Speaker 1: not playing the part of robbers this day, but were
Speaker 1: circling over what I believed must be a bear or
Speaker 1: a cougar devouring a beast below them, waiting on high
Speaker 1: for the spoils to be left behind. Because of this,
Speaker 1: I was approaching the area with great caution, not wanting
Speaker 1: to stumble upon a feeding bear or lion. As I
Speaker 1: was slowly making my way through the trees and brush,
Speaker 1: I was now approaching a zone where I could now
Speaker 1: see the ravens circling directly above me, and still I
Speaker 1: could see no reason on the ground for them wanting
Speaker 1: to circle above. I had a relatively good view of
Speaker 1: the entire area, shy, being able to see behind every tree,
Speaker 1: and I could see no evidence of a predator feeding
Speaker 1: on anything within the forest. It was then that my
Speaker 1: eyes caught some movement well up into one of the
Speaker 1: taller pines, and lo and behold, it was a gigantic
Speaker 1: sasquatch clinging to the side of the tree, alongside of
Speaker 1: what appeared to be a large, twiggy raven's nest. Now
Speaker 1: it became obvious to me why the relenting circling and
Speaker 1: coin was taking place in the sky above this location,
Speaker 1: with turnabout being fair play. Now apparently the tide had
Speaker 1: been turned, with the nest robbers now being the victims
Speaker 1: of a robbery themselves. It was truly remarkable to watch
Speaker 1: The sasquatch was at least seventy five feet above the
Speaker 1: forest floor, with its feet and legs wrapped around the
Speaker 1: tree's trunk while holding on to an adjoining bow with
Speaker 1: one arm around it. With the other hand, it was
Speaker 1: reaching repeatedly into the nest, as I could then see
Speaker 1: its hand going to its mouth over and over again.
Speaker 1: The beast was repeating this movement, which indicated to me
Speaker 1: that it was either eating chicks or eggs that were
Speaker 1: within the nest. I watched this beast carry on its
Speaker 1: activities as I remained well hidden below in the forest.
Speaker 1: Some forty or fifty yards away from where it was.
Speaker 1: There came a point where it had seemingly had its
Speaker 1: fill of whatever was available in that nest, and began
Speaker 1: to climb into what was even a higher position in
Speaker 1: the tree, approaching something I hadn't seen before, which was
Speaker 1: yet another nest in the boughs above. This creature was
Speaker 1: now well above one hundred feet in the tree, and
Speaker 1: based on its apparent size, I was wondering whether or
Speaker 1: not the surrounding boughs could support it. No sooner had
Speaker 1: I had this thought than did I hear a loud crack,
Speaker 1: and the sasquatch, having been caught unaware by the branch breaking,
Speaker 1: came tumbling down through the tree, smashing its body against
Speaker 1: numerous branches and had a variety of different angles against
Speaker 1: its body until it reached a point where it was
Speaker 1: now in total freefall for about thirty feet, hitting the
Speaker 1: ground with a thud. I watch as the creature lay
Speaker 1: apparently dead on forest floor, with the ravens now rejoicing
Speaker 1: above it, now landing in the boughs over his body
Speaker 1: and coreing in what was like a chorus looking down
Speaker 1: on him. It was incredible to view what was happening
Speaker 1: before me, having thought to myself that the sasquatch had
Speaker 1: to have died, having been the victim of such a
Speaker 1: brutal fall. I now saw one of its arms lifting
Speaker 1: from the ground, and it rolled onto from one side
Speaker 1: to the other, groaning as it did so. With every
Speaker 1: groan that it made, the coreing of the ravens became
Speaker 1: louder and louder, with many of the birds now descending
Speaker 1: lower and lower in the tree as if to taunt
Speaker 1: the crippled beast. Remarkably, after twenty minutes of groaning and
Speaker 1: rolling about on the ground, the sasquatch made its way
Speaker 1: to its feet and with its left arm hanging limp,
Speaker 1: began to stagger away into the trees. The Sasquatch as
Speaker 1: it fell through the tree had broken through and bounced
Speaker 1: off maybe eight large limbs, which was somewhere between four
Speaker 1: and six inches in diameter. Some of them broke as
Speaker 1: its body hit them, while others he simply slammed into him,
Speaker 1: which caused his body to flip and tumble out of
Speaker 1: control until he hit the ground. I don't know anything
Speaker 1: that could survive such a fall, let alone walk away
Speaker 1: from it. When he was lying on the ground, the
Speaker 1: face was initially down until it began to roll over
Speaker 1: and back and forth. This was followed by him standing
Speaker 1: to his feet, at which point his face was still
Speaker 1: not visible to my eyes. I believe his height somewhere
Speaker 1: between the neighborhood of eight and nine feet, and perhaps
Speaker 1: five feet at the shoulders. As soon as the creature
Speaker 1: had hit the ground, the ravens descended in mass, landing
Speaker 1: into lower branches and swooping over the body, as if
Speaker 1: to taunt him for having received as just rewards unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Don't mess with ravens man.
Speaker 4: Well S, I know you got some more stories like that.
Speaker 4: We've about out of time this one, but you want
Speaker 4: to stick around for the member section, give a couple
Speaker 4: more of those for us.
Speaker 1: Bill absolutely, all right.
Speaker 2: Well, then for our members, we'll be hearing a little
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and folks, you got to check out Bill. Bill
Speaker 4: you said you got I know, you had like eight
Speaker 4: of them, you said you got you got ten. Now
Speaker 4: those books the Bigfoot Terror in the Woods.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bigfoot Terror in the Woods, Sightings and Encounters WJ.
Speaker 1: She And there's ten volumes in paperback, ebook and kindle
Speaker 1: on Amazon, And then if you like the audio gig
Speaker 1: which a lot of people do, Volumes one through nine
Speaker 1: soon to be ten but I haven't recorded it yet
Speaker 1: are available at audible, Amazon and iTunes as well. And
Speaker 1: then of course there's our podcast Bigfoot Terror in the Woods.
Speaker 2: And of course all of those aforementioned things, books and
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Speaker 4: Great. Thanks Bill, Yeah, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Man, awesome, Bobo take us out of here.
Speaker 4: All right, folks, Thank you very much to WJ she
Speaker 4: Have for coming on and telling us his stories and
Speaker 4: what he's been learning. And until next week, you all
Speaker 4: keep it Squatchy.
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