1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,839 Speaker 1: Welcome to the deep dive. For years, the whole story 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:08,519 of unidentified aerial phenomena, you know UAPs, we all used 3 00:00:08,519 --> 00:00:11,679 to just call UFOs. It felt like it belonged squarely 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:12,839 in the realm of science fiction. 5 00:00:12,919 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, it was pure fantasy for most people. 6 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: But the last few years have just, I mean, they've 7 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,000 radically altered that perception. Yeah, we have watched the entire 8 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:26,280 conversation swing so violently from a fringe obsession to. 9 00:00:26,879 --> 00:00:29,719 Speaker 2: Serious bipartisan government scrutiny. 10 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,439 Speaker 1: Exactly right there in the halls of Congress. It's wild. 11 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,359 Speaker 2: It's a seismic shift, really. And the tipping point, I think, 12 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,399 as many of you will remember, was about two years ago, 13 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,479 right with the whistleblower with David Grush. He's a former 14 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:46,560 Air Force officer with peckable intelligence credentials. He stepped forward 15 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:48,439 and his claim was just astonishing. 16 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,039 Speaker 1: He said the US government had secretly recovered and was 17 00:00:51,119 --> 00:00:54,200 actively trying to reverse engineer non human technology. 18 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 2: And at the time that sounded, well, let's be honest, 19 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,200 it sounded truly outlandish. 20 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: It did, it really did. Yeah, here we are today 21 00:01:01,439 --> 00:01:05,599 and you have lawmakers from completely opposite sides of the 22 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:10,239 ideological spectrum. Treating this information with the utmost seriousness. 23 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 2: It's become this strange, unifying force in Washington. It's bizarre. 24 00:01:14,159 --> 00:01:17,640 The demand for transparency is just it's deafening now. 25 00:01:17,599 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: And the sources that we're going to be unpacking for 26 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,760 you today they just amplify that demand exponentially. 27 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, we are embarking on a really in depth exploration 28 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,640 of the claims made in this new documentary. It's called 29 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:32,120 The Age of Disclosure, and. 30 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: It draws on testimony from an incredible array of I 31 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,719 mean high level government, military and intelligence officials. 32 00:01:38,799 --> 00:01:41,359 Speaker 2: This isn't just you know, a rehashing of old sightings 33 00:01:41,439 --> 00:01:44,079 or grainy photos. This is an operational deep dive. 34 00:01:44,239 --> 00:01:46,799 Speaker 1: So the central mission of this deep dive for you 35 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,480 listening is to understand the documentary's core thesis. 36 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 2: Which is that there's an eighty year global cover up, 37 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,400 eighty years concealing intelligent alien life and maybe more importantly, 38 00:01:56,599 --> 00:01:58,439 the advanced technology that comes with it. 39 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:03,719 Speaker 1: And the focus is on do these craft exist and 40 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,719 more on how the world's most powerful nations have been 41 00:02:06,799 --> 00:02:10,280 locked in this decade long secret war to control them. 42 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 2: And to really set the stakes for you immediately, we 43 00:02:12,479 --> 00:02:14,800 have to use the ultimate analogy. It's one that the 44 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,800 officials themselves provided. One of the high level officials interviewed 45 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:24,400 in the documentary compares this reverse engineered tech to something far, 46 00:02:24,599 --> 00:02:26,759 far beyond any known weapon. 47 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: They call it the atomic weapon on steroids. Yeah, and 48 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,960 that analogy it should immediately grab you. It perfectly encapsulates 49 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:34,159 the gravity of this secret. 50 00:02:34,319 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 2: Well, we all know the historical world altering weight of 51 00:02:37,159 --> 00:02:38,120 the Manhattan Project. 52 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,879 Speaker 1: Of course, it defined the entire twentieth century. 53 00:02:40,879 --> 00:02:44,759 Speaker 2: But this, they argue, is exponentially more critical, it's more powerful, 54 00:02:44,759 --> 00:02:46,800 and it's far far more dangerous. 55 00:02:46,879 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: So if this technology is real that allows for these 56 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,800 revolutionary breakthroughs in propulsion energy materials. 57 00:02:54,319 --> 00:02:58,719 Speaker 2: Then possessing it doesn't just grant military superiority. It grants 58 00:02:58,759 --> 00:03:02,599 the ability to read draw the entire map of human civilization. 59 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:07,039 Speaker 1: And the terrifying implication which the sources really spell out, 60 00:03:07,319 --> 00:03:10,240 is that the first country to weaponize. 61 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,599 Speaker 2: This could achieve undisputed global domination. 62 00:03:12,879 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: And that's it. That's the high stakes secret war we're 63 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:17,199 going to be discussing today. 64 00:03:17,719 --> 00:03:20,599 Speaker 2: So that brings us right to the foundational structure, the 65 00:03:20,599 --> 00:03:24,319 thing that has, according to all these sources, successfully hidden 66 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,439 this truth for eight decades. 67 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: The program itself. 68 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 2: The program that these high level officials refer to as 69 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:35,560 the Legacy Crash Retrieval Program or the LCRP. 70 00:03:35,439 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: And the claims about the sheer scale and the success 71 00:03:39,039 --> 00:03:42,120 of the secrecy are what make this testimony so so 72 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:43,199 hard to just ignore. 73 00:03:43,479 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 2: I think the most striking quote for me that cited 74 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,319 in the source material came from one Intel official. He said, 75 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,960 and I'm quoting here, there has never been a program 76 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,280 before that has been so successfully kept out of the 77 00:03:54,319 --> 00:03:57,319 public eye as the Legacy Crash Retrieval Program. 78 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,879 Speaker 1: Well, just pause and reflect on that statement. Second, that 79 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,439 this secret is arguably the most successfully protected government operation 80 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:06,080 in all of modern history. 81 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,319 Speaker 2: It just demands a close look at how how on 82 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,520 earth did they do it and the sources. 83 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: They draw a direct line back to that post war era, 84 00:04:15,039 --> 00:04:18,279 right to the intense secrecy that was surrounding the development 85 00:04:18,319 --> 00:04:19,160 of the atomic bomb. 86 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: Precisely, they analyzed the Manhattan Project as a kind of 87 00:04:24,439 --> 00:04:26,839 a benchmark for government secrecy, the. 88 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: Gold standard of keeping a secret. Right. 89 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 2: But while it was incredibly restricted, the Manhattan Projects still 90 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,399 have leaks. We know about them in hindsight. S the 91 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:39,519 commanders who allegedly established this legacy program. They learned from 92 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,279 the shortcomings of that effort, so. 93 00:04:41,199 --> 00:04:44,079 Speaker 1: They didn't just copy the security playbook. 94 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 2: No, they actively enhanced it, They made it better. 95 00:04:45,959 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: They essentially designed it to be leakproof from the very beginning. 96 00:04:49,519 --> 00:04:51,959 So what kind of security measures are we even talking 97 00:04:51,959 --> 00:04:55,000 about that have managed to hold for eighty years against 98 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,680 public curiosity, congressional scrutiny, and. 99 00:04:57,639 --> 00:04:59,879 Speaker 2: Just simple human nature, right, the desire. 100 00:04:59,519 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: To talk exactly? 101 00:05:00,759 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 2: The sources confirm this involved extreme compartmentalization, just a strict 102 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,160 need to know basis, which effectively makes the whole program 103 00:05:08,199 --> 00:05:09,279 e labyrinth. 104 00:05:08,879 --> 00:05:12,199 Speaker 1: Where no single person or even a small group knows 105 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,639 the full scope of what's happening, not at all. 106 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 2: And crucially, they ruled the day by involving elements that 107 00:05:17,759 --> 00:05:20,519 were outside of traditional military structures. 108 00:05:20,759 --> 00:05:22,399 Speaker 1: Ah okay, that's clever. 109 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 2: It is it ensures that the usual oversight mechanisms like 110 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,160 you know, congressional appropriations committees, they just couldn't track the 111 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:30,680 funding flow. The money disappears. 112 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: And who are the key players in this alleged multi 113 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:39,680 generational conspiracy. Because keeping a secret this vast it requires 114 00:05:39,759 --> 00:05:44,639 institutional involvement across agencies that are normally frankly competing with 115 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:45,079 each other. 116 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the documentary identifies a complex, very integrated system. 117 00:05:49,759 --> 00:05:52,839 It involves key elements of the Air Force, the CIA, 118 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:57,399 the Department of Energy, the DOE, other specific military. 119 00:05:56,959 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: Branches, and private contractors. 120 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 2: And most importantly, a heavy reliance on private contractors. 121 00:06:01,639 --> 00:06:03,399 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Department of Energy for a second. 122 00:06:03,439 --> 00:06:07,439 That's a significant operational detail. Why the DOE, what's their role? 123 00:06:07,639 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 2: Well, the Department of Energy's historical role involves the management 124 00:06:10,759 --> 00:06:13,920 of high level nuclear materials classified sites. 125 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,639 Speaker 1: Right places like Los Alamo's Hoak Ridge exactly. 126 00:06:16,759 --> 00:06:20,079 Speaker 2: So their inclusion suggests a connection to the material science 127 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,839 of the recovered craft. These non human objects are alleged 128 00:06:23,879 --> 00:06:27,680 to be made of you know, exotic isotopes or materials 129 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,000 that are classified far beyond even standard military secrecy. 130 00:06:31,519 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: So the DOE is the perfect mechanism for analyzing that stuff, 131 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,959 for storing it, securing the wreckage. At these deeply classified 132 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:40,720 nuclear facilities. 133 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:44,399 Speaker 2: Often completely removed from typical Pentagon scrutiny, they have their 134 00:06:44,439 --> 00:06:45,639 own world of security. 135 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: And then the reliance on private contractors helps complete the 136 00:06:49,319 --> 00:06:52,560 shell game, right. It allows the government to bury the 137 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:56,240 costs and the activity outside of that traditional oversight framework. 138 00:06:56,399 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 2: Absolutely, the private contractors act as a financial and legal 139 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,040 They're the ones doing the labor. 140 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,319 Speaker 1: The reverse engineering, the storage, the specialized transport. 141 00:07:04,879 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 2: All of it. But the true nature of their work 142 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:11,319 is protected by these ironclad non disclosure agreements and layers 143 00:07:11,399 --> 00:07:13,920 upon layers of corporate shell companies. 144 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,079 Speaker 1: Which ensures that the paper trailer just stands, it goes cold, 145 00:07:16,319 --> 00:07:17,279 far from public view. 146 00:07:17,439 --> 00:07:19,279 Speaker 2: It's an operational black hole by design. 147 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,759 Speaker 1: And the sources specifically cite the Air Force as running 148 00:07:22,759 --> 00:07:24,839 the specialized unit for the actual retrieval. 149 00:07:25,079 --> 00:07:27,959 Speaker 2: Yes, the Air Force is alleged to run these special 150 00:07:28,079 --> 00:07:32,279 units that are tasked with immediate deployment to crash or 151 00:07:32,319 --> 00:07:33,199 retrieval sites. 152 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,639 Speaker 1: These have to be highly trained teams the best. 153 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 2: They secure the wreckage, they handle the initial hazardous materials assessments, 154 00:07:41,639 --> 00:07:46,079 and they manage the I mean the incredibly complex logistics 155 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:50,959 of transporting large, maybe even intact, non human craft. Back 156 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:52,519 to the reverse engineering labs. 157 00:07:52,759 --> 00:07:55,839 Speaker 1: I'm just reflecting on the sheer logistics of that and 158 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,600 the human element. We're not just talking about keeping secrets 159 00:07:58,639 --> 00:08:00,839 from the public. We're talking about keeping them from your peers, 160 00:08:00,839 --> 00:08:03,519 from your family, from your elected representatives. 161 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 2: For eighty years, across multiple administrations, through wars, through political. 162 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: Scandals, and across the intense rivalries between the CIA and 163 00:08:10,199 --> 00:08:12,759 the Pentagon, which we know are very real. 164 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 2: The fact that the sources claim this program has remained 165 00:08:15,879 --> 00:08:19,319 airtight is in a very strange way, a testament to 166 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,439 the power of that compartmentalized command structure. 167 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: And the fear, the fear of the implications if this 168 00:08:25,839 --> 00:08:27,720 technology ever fell into the wrong hands. 169 00:08:27,839 --> 00:08:30,839 Speaker 2: That fear is the glue. It's what ties everyone together. 170 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,480 If these individuals truly believe they are protecting humanity from 171 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,360 the ultimate destructive force. 172 00:08:36,279 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: The atomic weapon on steroids. 173 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 2: Then silence becomes a moral imperative. It overrides any democratic 174 00:08:43,159 --> 00:08:46,320 impulse toward disclosure or transparency. 175 00:08:45,799 --> 00:08:49,399 Speaker 1: And that inherent difficulty is exactly why the push for 176 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,639 transparency now is such an incredible uphill battle. 177 00:08:52,759 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 2: They're trying to dismantle generations of established, deeply ingrained operational secrecy. 178 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 1: But the secrecy of the lm CRP. It isn't just 179 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,840 about protecting a national secret, is it. It's intrinsically linked 180 00:09:04,879 --> 00:09:06,320 to the fear of a foreign adversary. 181 00:09:06,399 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 2: That's right. 182 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: The US wouldn't dedicate eighty years and I imagine trillions 183 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,840 of dollars to this if it didn't believe other nations 184 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:13,960 were doing the exact same thing. 185 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,159 Speaker 2: And this leads us to one of the most explosive 186 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,519 claims in the entire documentary, the secret race, the existence 187 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,759 of a high stakes, secret Cold War race. This is 188 00:09:22,759 --> 00:09:25,519 where the national security implications just become acute. 189 00:09:25,639 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: So officials in the documentary they confirm that the United 190 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,240 States is deeply entrenched in a silent arms race, a. 191 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 2: High stakes technological competition with one specific objective to reverse 192 00:09:37,279 --> 00:09:39,879 engineer technology of non human origin. 193 00:09:40,039 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: This is the real twenty first century battle for global 194 00:09:43,519 --> 00:09:46,559 supremacy then, not cyberspace, not AI. 195 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 2: Is this this is what's happening behind the curtain, and 196 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,519 we are talking about our main geopolitical rivals here. 197 00:09:52,799 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: Who does the intelligence community believe the US is racing against. 198 00:09:56,639 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 2: The sources explicitly identify the primary adversary nations as China 199 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:01,879 and Russia. 200 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:02,799 Speaker 1: No surprise there. 201 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 2: But here's the crucial part. The officials interviewed in the film, 202 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,399 they go on the record to state their belief. 203 00:10:09,159 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 1: A belief based on classified intelligence. 204 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,399 Speaker 2: Right, not a guess. Their belief that both China and 205 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,840 Russia have successfully retrieved alien spacecraft of their own. 206 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,159 Speaker 1: Wow, so this is not speculative for them, It's presented 207 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,440 as a confirmed reality within these high level intelligence circles. 208 00:10:24,639 --> 00:10:27,240 If that's true, I mean, if that's true, it means 209 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,840 the entire UAP issue moves out of the realm of 210 00:10:29,879 --> 00:10:33,919 abstract speculation and into immediate existential threat assessment. 211 00:10:34,039 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 2: It does the country that cracks the code first dictates 212 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:38,720 the future of the entire planet. 213 00:10:38,919 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: If one nation masters reactionless propulsion or unlimited energy, the 214 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:48,120 others are instantly obsolete. Their entire military and economic structure 215 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:49,720 is worthless overnight. 216 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 2: Precisely, and the documentary even provides specific and frankly frightening 217 00:10:54,799 --> 00:10:57,159 details regarding these rival retrievals. 218 00:10:57,279 --> 00:10:59,799 Speaker 1: Okay, so let's hone in on the specific claim regarding this, 219 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,279 which would now of course be Russia. What exactly did 220 00:11:03,279 --> 00:11:04,679 they allegedly retrieve? 221 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 2: The sources detail of very specific incident in nineteen eighty nine. 222 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,279 This is where the Soviets allegedly recovered a tic TAC 223 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,600 shaped spacecraft a tic TAC. 224 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,759 Speaker 1: Now our listeners are definitely familiar with that shape. 225 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 2: Of course, from the famous two thousand and four encounter 226 00:11:18,759 --> 00:11:21,840 involving Commander Dave Fraber and the Nimtz Carrier Strike Group. 227 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: Where the craft is also described as a white, smooth 228 00:11:24,639 --> 00:11:25,960 tic TAC shaped object. 229 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 2: So we have intelligence supporting two distinct, high value Tic 230 00:11:29,799 --> 00:11:33,519 TAC retrievals, but on opposite sides of the Cold War divide. 231 00:11:33,519 --> 00:11:36,519 But there's a key detail, right, yes, and this is 232 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:40,159 the critical detail, the comparison. The officials claim that the 233 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,519 craft recovered by the Soviets was significantly larger than the 234 00:11:43,519 --> 00:11:45,120 one encountered by the Nimtz Group. 235 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: Significantly larger. 236 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 2: What does that imply, Well, it implies that global powers 237 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:54,639 might be studying different models, different configurations, maybe even different 238 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,639 generations of this non human technology. 239 00:11:57,159 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: Or from different species. 240 00:11:58,279 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 2: Even that's another possibility, but just imagine the implications. If 241 00:12:02,519 --> 00:12:05,440 Russia has a more powerful or a more advanced version 242 00:12:05,799 --> 00:12:08,840 of a reactionless drive already sitting in one of their labs. 243 00:12:08,919 --> 00:12:12,759 Speaker 1: That makes the stakes just astronomically. If Russure or China 244 00:12:12,799 --> 00:12:17,159 achieve a fundamental breakthrough in these physics defying propulsion systems, the. 245 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,759 Speaker 2: Current balance of military and economic power. 246 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 1: Which is built on fossil fuels, on jet engines, on conventional. 247 00:12:23,159 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 2: Rocketry, is instantly irrelevant. 248 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,639 Speaker 1: It creates a tremendous vulnerability for the West. 249 00:12:28,039 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 2: The sources really emphasize this fear, the fear that the 250 00:12:31,639 --> 00:12:34,679 first country to truly crack the code on this non 251 00:12:34,759 --> 00:12:38,399 human technology will be the leader for years to. 252 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,879 Speaker 1: Come, potentially achieving total domination. 253 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 2: And if leaders like Putin or Chesen Ping were to 254 00:12:44,519 --> 00:12:48,600 access in weaponize systems that fundamentally rewrite physics as we 255 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:50,000 know them. 256 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:53,159 Speaker 1: The geopolitical consequences would be I mean, they be catastrophic. 257 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,519 Speaker 2: And this explains the constant internal conflict within the US 258 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,279 intelligence apparatus, doesn't it. 259 00:12:58,279 --> 00:13:02,279 Speaker 1: It really does. Every single time President debates disclosure, they 260 00:13:02,279 --> 00:13:05,960 have to weigh the principle of truth against the very real, 261 00:13:06,159 --> 00:13:09,399 very immediate fear that sharing that knowledge might give away 262 00:13:09,399 --> 00:13:10,960 a competitive edge or. 263 00:13:10,799 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 2: Worse, validate the progress that Russia or China might already 264 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:15,200 be making in secret. 265 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: The secrecy is driven by a deep technological paranoid. 266 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,159 Speaker 2: It's the ultimate intelligence paradox, isn't it. Disclosure could prepare 267 00:13:22,159 --> 00:13:25,559 the world, but it might simultaneously ensure our strategic defeat 268 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,879 if an adversary is closer to a breakthrough than we are, and. 269 00:13:28,879 --> 00:13:33,559 Speaker 1: That sustained fear of falling behind, or having already fallen behind, 270 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,759 is what has fueled the extreme operational classification of the 271 00:13:37,799 --> 00:13:39,639 Legacy program for these eight decades. 272 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 2: Now, let's shift a little bit. We've talked about the 273 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,759 hardware and the arms race. Let's talk about the beings 274 00:13:45,799 --> 00:13:49,679 allegedly responsible for that technology. This is where the testimony 275 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:54,799 moves beyond classified materials and into the truly extraordinary. 276 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,519 Speaker 1: Claims about non human entities themselves, as cited by the 277 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:58,720 officials in the documentary. 278 00:13:58,799 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 2: It's the leap. Everyone debates it's right, the jump from 279 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:02,519 objects to occupants, and. 280 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: The documentary doesn't shy away. 281 00:14:03,919 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 2: From it, not at all. It features two different astrophysicists 282 00:14:07,879 --> 00:14:10,559 who claim that the government has recovered evidence of at 283 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:12,559 least two different alien. 284 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: Species, two distinct species, not just one. That implies a 285 00:14:16,039 --> 00:14:18,960 level of complexity and diversity in non human intelligence that 286 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,799 just it utterly dwarfs our current understanding of the cosmos. 287 00:14:23,879 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 2: And it's not just abstract biological samples. They're talking about. 288 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,919 The claims suggest full retrievals. 289 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: And compounding that claim, they state that one of these 290 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:36,480 species allegedly made contact with the crash retrieval team. 291 00:14:36,399 --> 00:14:39,799 Speaker 2: Made contact and while that specific instance is, as you 292 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,360 can imagine, highly sensitive, of course, another high level intelligence 293 00:14:43,399 --> 00:14:47,120 official detailed a separate and just as astonishing event that 294 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,559 occurred at a US military base, and it solidifies this 295 00:14:50,679 --> 00:14:51,840 claim of interaction. 296 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,399 Speaker 1: Okay, let's detail that base incident, because this is a 297 00:14:55,480 --> 00:15:00,039 level of testimony that goes so far beyond just blurry navy. 298 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:03,039 Speaker 2: Foot The official recounts an event where a UAP approached 299 00:15:03,039 --> 00:15:05,600 a US military base and it wasn't just flying over, 300 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:07,480 it was actively engaging the. 301 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: Base, and one craft landed. 302 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 2: One craft landed. The testimony alleges that following this landing, 303 00:15:13,039 --> 00:15:15,600 apparently non human beings exited the craft. 304 00:15:15,639 --> 00:15:15,879 Speaker 1: Wow. 305 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 2: And the most crucial part of this claim is that 306 00:15:17,759 --> 00:15:20,159 these beings interacted with members of the Air Force and 307 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,000 the CIA who were present at the base. 308 00:15:22,279 --> 00:15:25,679 Speaker 1: When we talk about interaction in this context, yes, we 309 00:15:25,799 --> 00:15:28,440 have to understand the implications of that word. Yes, we 310 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,240 are not talking at a fleeting moment of observation. This 311 00:15:31,279 --> 00:15:34,279 implies a sustained mutual presence. 312 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,759 Speaker 2: And potentially an attempted communication or at least some kind 313 00:15:37,799 --> 00:15:42,639 of documented exchange between non human intelligence and high level 314 00:15:42,879 --> 00:15:44,480 US government operatives. 315 00:15:44,879 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: That is the staggering claim. Now, if you the listener, 316 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,159 are hearing this and thinking this sounds exactly like a. 317 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 2: Science fiction movie, You're right it does. 318 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: It's an extraordinary claim. 319 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 2: And therefore it requires extraordinary scrutiny. 320 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,759 Speaker 1: So let's scrutinize the source of the claim itself. The 321 00:16:00,799 --> 00:16:04,960 weight of the testimony is the documentary's main argument for 322 00:16:05,039 --> 00:16:09,039 its veracity. Who are these people putting their careers, their reputations, 323 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:10,200 everything on the line. 324 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 2: The documentary really highlights the collective weight of these thirty 325 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,840 four high level officials who are all contributing to this 326 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:17,759 single narrative. 327 00:16:17,799 --> 00:16:19,879 Speaker 1: We're talking about individuals who held some of the highest 328 00:16:19,919 --> 00:16:22,120 security clearances in the entire country. 329 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 2: A former Secretary of State, sitting senators, a former director 330 00:16:26,519 --> 00:16:29,759 of National Intelligence, a former Secretary of Defense. 331 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,799 Speaker 1: Leaders from the Pentagon, the CIA, the Air Force, the Navy. 332 00:16:33,919 --> 00:16:36,559 Speaker 2: It's the absolute creme de la creme of the national 333 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,559 security establishment, spanning multiple generations, multiple administrations. 334 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:45,159 Speaker 1: And the documentary stresses this point. These thirty four people 335 00:16:45,279 --> 00:16:48,639 are not aligned politically or ideologically. 336 00:16:48,039 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 2: At all, not in the slightest yet, they are all 337 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,399 converging on this one truth, and that. 338 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,879 Speaker 1: Is the argument against simple dismissal, isn't it. 339 00:16:55,879 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 2: It has to be. If this were one disgruntled person 340 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,559 or a political motivated group from one party, it would 341 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,480 be easy to categorize, to explain away. 342 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: But when you have this level of seniority and diversity 343 00:17:09,519 --> 00:17:15,200 or perspective, you have Republicans, Democrats, military hardliners, career intelligence officers, 344 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,680 all independently sharing a cohesive narrative. 345 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,519 Speaker 2: A narrative about retrieve technology and species interaction. 346 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,559 Speaker 1: It just forces critical thinking. You can't just wave it away. 347 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,559 Speaker 2: Which raises an important question one that a lot of 348 00:17:27,559 --> 00:17:30,680 critics have brought up the disinformation angle exactly how can 349 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,200 we be certain this isn't some highly coordinated disinformation campaign 350 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,400 aimed at, say, distracting our adversaries. 351 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,759 Speaker 1: Especially given the known history of intelligence services using UAP 352 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,599 stories as camouflage for their own secret projects. 353 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,039 Speaker 2: That's always the primary concern when you're dealing with intelligent sources. 354 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,039 But the sources in this documentary they push back on 355 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:54,400 that disinformation angle. Howso They point to two factors, One 356 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,400 the political diversity of the witnesses, which suggests a lack 357 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,599 of a coordinated ideological motivation. 358 00:18:00,839 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: It's not a partisan attack. 359 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:05,839 Speaker 2: And two the detailed nature of the claims themselves. They 360 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:10,359 focus less on military capabilities and more on bureaucratic failure 361 00:18:10,559 --> 00:18:11,839 and the secrecy itself. 362 00:18:12,079 --> 00:18:14,559 Speaker 1: So they claim they aren't selling a thread, They're exposing 363 00:18:14,599 --> 00:18:15,839 a systemic lie. 364 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 2: That's the argument. The officials themselves argue that they have 365 00:18:18,519 --> 00:18:21,039 been blocked from information and are now choosing to leak 366 00:18:21,079 --> 00:18:24,680 it through formal testimony rather than creating some fake threat 367 00:18:24,799 --> 00:18:25,839 narrative for Congress. 368 00:18:26,039 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: So it's an assertion of institutional frustration, not military misdirection. 369 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 2: A unified frustration, yes, and the sheer volume and stature 370 00:18:34,039 --> 00:18:37,519 of these witnesses it demands that the conversation be moved 371 00:18:37,799 --> 00:18:41,640 permanently out of the fringe and into serious governmental analysis. 372 00:18:41,799 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 1: Okay, moving from the claims of interaction to something much darker, 373 00:18:46,039 --> 00:18:49,599 the immediate human cost of this alleged secret arms race. 374 00:18:50,319 --> 00:18:53,960 The source material brings up a dark but crucial detail 375 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:58,240 the physical consequences suffered by personnel who have been exposed 376 00:18:58,279 --> 00:19:00,599 to these alleged non human takes chnologies. 377 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 2: This is a profoundly disturbing element of the story. The 378 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,599 documentary features a former military analyst who claims that he 379 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,519 and other colleagues who had interactions with UAPs. 380 00:19:12,319 --> 00:19:16,519 Speaker 1: And specifically the retrieved craft or the operating environments around them. 381 00:19:16,599 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 2: Right, they are now suffering demonstrable physical effects. They call 382 00:19:19,799 --> 00:19:21,319 them biological effects. 383 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:25,079 Speaker 1: So what is the proposed mechanism for these injuries? If 384 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,559 this is non human technology, the physical impact must be 385 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,720 fundamentally different from say, a conventional weapons accident. 386 00:19:33,039 --> 00:19:37,079 Speaker 2: The explanation provided in the source material it focuses on massive, 387 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,839 non ionizing energy exposure. This is non human technology that 388 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,680 is not fully understood. The effects are likely tied to large, 389 00:19:44,759 --> 00:19:48,200 uncontrolled amounts of energy used for propulsion, or for flight, 390 00:19:48,559 --> 00:19:50,119 or for some kind of fuel generation. 391 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: You have to think of the impossible accelerations reported by 392 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:53,599 the Navy pilots. 393 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 2: Exactly those maneuvers. They require an immense, likely exotic energy source, 394 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,359 and the personnel who get too close are paying the 395 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:03,839 physical price for it. 396 00:20:03,839 --> 00:20:07,799 Speaker 1: It's the ultimate terrifying workplace hazard. If the craft uses 397 00:20:07,839 --> 00:20:12,039 magnetic fields or zero point energy sources that are unknown 398 00:20:12,079 --> 00:20:12,799 to our current. 399 00:20:12,599 --> 00:20:15,839 Speaker 2: Physics, the biological effect on the human body could range 400 00:20:15,839 --> 00:20:20,240 from something like an acute radiation syndrome to severe, lasting 401 00:20:20,279 --> 00:20:21,440 neurological damage. 402 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: The source material uses a pretty compelling analogy to communicate 403 00:20:24,519 --> 00:20:25,640 the danger it does. 404 00:20:25,799 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 2: It compares exposure to this technology to standing directly behind 405 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:30,880 a running jet engine. 406 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,559 Speaker 1: Or being exposed to close range powerful fire. It's a strong, 407 00:20:34,759 --> 00:20:37,960 unknown energy source just hitting the body at a cellular level. 408 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,559 Speaker 2: And the analyst that cited specifically claims coming close to 409 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,359 multiple UAPs and ending up with these lasting biological effects. 410 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: And this leads to the ultimate catch twenty two of classification, 411 00:20:48,839 --> 00:20:51,799 which the critics highlight it as a necessary area for 412 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:52,720 deeper explanations. 413 00:20:52,759 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 2: Whatw's of the trap? 414 00:20:53,559 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 1: These individuals, having risked their health, maybe even their lives 415 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,759 for a black budget operation, are essentially barred from getting 416 00:21:01,759 --> 00:21:04,440 adequate medical care or any compensation. 417 00:21:04,799 --> 00:21:08,039 Speaker 2: That is the tragic irony of this whole situation. The 418 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:13,039 extreme classification of the LCRP creates an impenetrable barrier. 419 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,519 Speaker 1: So the military analyst he can't file a standard worker's 420 00:21:16,559 --> 00:21:20,559 compensation claim, he can't seek specialized medical care because. 421 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 2: The second he describes the causal event I was exposed 422 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,799 to the propulsion field of a non human craft, he 423 00:21:25,839 --> 00:21:29,559 would immediately violate the highest level of national security classification. 424 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:30,640 He'd go to prison. 425 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: So, in essence to protect the secret, the government forces 426 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,319 these injured personnel to suffer in silence and in total isolation. 427 00:21:39,599 --> 00:21:42,559 Speaker 2: They can't disclose the nature of their injury, which means 428 00:21:42,599 --> 00:21:47,200 they can't get the specific, probably highly specialized medical intervention they. 429 00:21:47,039 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 1: Require, because the doctors won't have any idea what they're 430 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:50,279 treating exactly. 431 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,599 Speaker 2: The cover up isn't just about hiding the truth from 432 00:21:52,599 --> 00:21:55,880 the public. It's about preventing injured personnel from seeking care 433 00:21:56,039 --> 00:21:58,319 or even discussing their ailments freely. 434 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 1: And ensuring that the human cost of the Legacy program 435 00:22:01,559 --> 00:22:03,920 remains as secret as the technology itself. 436 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,759 Speaker 2: It's perhaps the most ethically challenging part of the entire 437 00:22:06,799 --> 00:22:07,599 disclosure debate. 438 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,759 Speaker 1: So this secret is so monumental, so impactful, that it 439 00:22:11,799 --> 00:22:15,400 clearly couldn't be kept entirely from sitting US presidents right 440 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:15,880 even if. 441 00:22:15,839 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 2: The program operated outside of their direct control and required 442 00:22:19,279 --> 00:22:21,039 some deep digging to even understand. 443 00:22:21,079 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: And the source material reveals two distinct instances where presidents 444 00:22:24,559 --> 00:22:28,720 wrestled with this with the ethical and practical dilemma of disclosure. 445 00:22:28,319 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 2: And both times fear one out. 446 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,599 Speaker 1: This is a remarkable look inside the highest levels of 447 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,839 power because it suggests the question for them isn't is 448 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,680 it real? But can the country handle the reality? 449 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,319 Speaker 2: And the first instance detailed in the documentary occurred during 450 00:22:43,319 --> 00:22:46,319 the second Bush presidency, so roughly between two thousand and 451 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:47,400 one and two thousand and nine. 452 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 1: So what was the revelation for Bush the second and 453 00:22:50,799 --> 00:22:52,200 what did he decide to do about it? 454 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,759 Speaker 2: The sources confirmed that Bush the second was briefed on 455 00:22:54,799 --> 00:22:57,359 the basic facts. He was told we are not alone 456 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,319 in the universe and that technology had been successfully recovered. 457 00:23:00,279 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 1: And he seriously contemplated going public. 458 00:23:02,599 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 2: He did it led his administration to convene a series 459 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,839 of cabinet meetings that debated the merits of disclosure for 460 00:23:10,079 --> 00:23:10,920 days on end. 461 00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: They needed to gauge the impact. I mean, how do 462 00:23:13,519 --> 00:23:17,200 you even begin to assess how society would handle a 463 00:23:17,279 --> 00:23:21,400 truth that completely overturns five thousand years of human history. 464 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,839 Speaker 2: Well, they employed a high level think tank, and one 465 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,880 of the officials in the film was actually part of 466 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,200 that analysis. 467 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,039 Speaker 1: Group, and their task was immense analyzed the potential impact 468 00:23:30,039 --> 00:23:32,880 of disclosure on all facets of society. 469 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 2: With a particular focus on two areas, religion and the economy. 470 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,279 Speaker 1: What were the specific societal anxieties that led them to 471 00:23:40,279 --> 00:23:41,480 hold back in the end. 472 00:23:41,559 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 2: Well, Initially, the internal analysis went bullish on disclosure. They 473 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,240 actually suggested the American public was more resilient than people 474 00:23:48,279 --> 00:23:49,000 previously thought. 475 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: They changed their minds, they did. 476 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,839 Speaker 2: After a deep evaluation. They decided against it, and the 477 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,200 sources cite the specific timing as the primary rationale. 478 00:23:57,279 --> 00:23:59,039 Speaker 1: This is post nine to eleven exactly. 479 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 2: The nation was still deeply reeling and unstable following the 480 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,160 September eleventh attacks. The think tank concluded that adding the 481 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,640 existential trauma of confirming non human life on. 482 00:24:09,599 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: Top of the geopolitical trauma the country was already navigating. 483 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,799 Speaker 2: It would risk a complete breakdown of societal stability. 484 00:24:15,839 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: What were they worried about? Mass panic? 485 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,759 Speaker 2: Mass panic and also the potential for the loss of 486 00:24:20,799 --> 00:24:24,720 faith in fundamentalist religious structures, which they saw as a 487 00:24:24,799 --> 00:24:27,000 key pillar of social order at the time. 488 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: That reflects a deeply paternalistic decision, doesn't it The government 489 00:24:31,039 --> 00:24:34,640 deciding to protect the populace from a painful truth based 490 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,039 on a perceived societal fragility. 491 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,279 Speaker 2: Very much so. Now let's fastward to the Trump administration 492 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,440 between twenty seventeen and twenty twenty one. According to the 493 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,200 officials in the documentary, Trump also contemplated going public, but 494 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,839 his focus was distinctly different from Bush's post nine to 495 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,359 eleven stability concerns. 496 00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: What was Trump's key focus in this disclosure dilemma? 497 00:24:56,039 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 2: A high level Intel official recounted being approached by the 498 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,640 administration for a briefing. A high level briefing, and the 499 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,920 official notes that Trump's singular, most pressing question was all 500 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:07,960 about the economy. 501 00:25:08,279 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: He needed to figure out specifically, what's going to happen 502 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,119 to our economy if the government came out and officially. 503 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:19,079 Speaker 2: Confirmed aliens exist, aliens are here, and we have their technology. 504 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 1: That paints a very clear contrast. Bush two was focused 505 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,079 on cultural and social meltdown. Trump was focused on raw 506 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,240 market consequences. 507 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 2: It's a different lens, but the same problem. 508 00:25:29,519 --> 00:25:32,839 Speaker 1: What are the specific economic fears associated with this technology? 509 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,839 Speaker 2: The fear is fundamental obsolescence on a global scale. 510 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: If the government announces the recovery of technology that uses 511 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,480 say free energy or reactionless propulsion. 512 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 2: Entire multi trillion dollar sectors of the economy, fossil fuels, aviation, 513 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:53,640 the internal combustion engine, electrical generation, they could become instantly obsolete. 514 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: The resulting collapse of major global financial markets combined with 515 00:25:57,839 --> 00:26:01,920 mass layoffs the rapid devaluation of resource based economies, it. 516 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,799 Speaker 2: Was deemed an unacceptable risk to global stability. 517 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,039 Speaker 1: So both presidents, coming at it from different angles, ultimately 518 00:26:09,079 --> 00:26:10,200 reached the same conclusion. 519 00:26:10,319 --> 00:26:12,079 Speaker 2: Keep the information internal. 520 00:26:11,839 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 1: And this just reinforces the sheer magnitude of the secret. 521 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,160 It's not just a technological secret, it's a fundamental economic 522 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:19,640 and sociological time bomb. 523 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 2: The sources suggest that protecting the existing global economic order 524 00:26:23,759 --> 00:26:27,720 became a more immediate priority than informing the citizenry of 525 00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:29,720 the ultimate truth about reality. 526 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:34,319 Speaker 1: The economic consequences of disclosure are immediate and calculable, even 527 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,000 if they're devastating. 528 00:26:35,559 --> 00:26:39,279 Speaker 2: Whereas the ethical and societal consequences are more abstract but 529 00:26:39,559 --> 00:26:44,279 potentially just as destabilizing. Both administrations calculated the risk. 530 00:26:44,279 --> 00:26:47,759 Speaker 1: And decided the existing lie was the safer path forward. 531 00:26:47,519 --> 00:26:50,759 Speaker 2: Regardless of the implications for democracy and transparency. 532 00:26:50,839 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 1: Okay, we've covered the legacy of secrecy, the global arms race, 533 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,799 the biological claims, the presidential paralysis. 534 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 2: And now for the final truly mind bending theory present 535 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,359 by the astrophysicists and Intel officials in the documentary. 536 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: This one completely flips our assumption that UAPs are exclusively extraterrestrial. 537 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 2: This is the ocean hypothesis for decades. 538 00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: When we discuss UFOs, we looked up. We all assumed 539 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:15,759 interstellar travel. 540 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 2: But the sources suggest a far more intimate and protected 541 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,839 origin point for at least some of these craft. 542 00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: The vast unmapped depths of our own planet's. 543 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 2: Oceans, and the foundational data point for this theory is 544 00:27:28,079 --> 00:27:32,039 just stunning. Humans have only mapped about twenty seven percent 545 00:27:32,079 --> 00:27:32,960 of Earth's oceans. 546 00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:36,519 Speaker 1: Twenty seven percent. That leads almost three quarters of our 547 00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:38,799 own planet virtually unknown to us. 548 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 2: And you have to think about that mapping deficit in context. 549 00:27:42,079 --> 00:27:45,640 We have superior cartography and high resolution imaging of the 550 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,839 surface of the Moon and Mars, the surface of Mars, 551 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,799 even Pluto, compared to the bottom of our own oceans, 552 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:57,480 our own planet provides an almost perfect, massive, nearly impenetrable 553 00:27:57,559 --> 00:27:58,519 veil of secrecy. 554 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: So the theory is simple. As might not be exclusively 555 00:28:01,759 --> 00:28:03,000 coming from outer space. 556 00:28:02,759 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 2: They might be coming from the ocean. They're not UFOs, 557 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,480 they're USO's Unidentified submersible objects that. 558 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: Become UAPs when they transition into the air, which makes 559 00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:13,160 them transmedium objects or tmos. 560 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,279 Speaker 2: And this isn't just a theory, it's backed by witness 561 00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:17,079 testimony cited in the source material. 562 00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: Senior members of the House Intel Committee are cited as 563 00:28:19,759 --> 00:28:22,759 going on record saying that craft scene emerging out of. 564 00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 2: The ocean the exact transition from water to air. 565 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 1: They describe them as otherworldly things. 566 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 2: And they say they defy the known physics of water dynamics. 567 00:28:31,799 --> 00:28:35,079 They move at impossible speeds without creating the sonic booms 568 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:39,000 or the cavitation bubbles that any earthbound craft would absolutely generate. 569 00:28:39,319 --> 00:28:43,359 Speaker 1: That implies a propulsion system that interfaces seamlessly between two 570 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,720 completely different mediums, water and atmosphere, which is so far 571 00:28:47,759 --> 00:28:50,880 beyond our current engineering capabilities. 572 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 2: And the logic for the ocean as a hiding place 573 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,160 is incredibly compelling. The documentary sites are retired. 574 00:28:56,759 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: Admiral Admiral galdat. 575 00:28:58,559 --> 00:29:01,359 Speaker 2: Yes, who was the Chief oceanaga of the United States Navy. 576 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,720 His expertise gives immense weight to this theory. 577 00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: So what does the admiral argue? 578 00:29:06,279 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 2: He argues that if an advanced non human species from 579 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,720 somewhere else wanted to hide from humanity. 580 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: The most obvious and effective place would be our oceans. 581 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 2: We simply do not have the technological capability or the 582 00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:22,640 persistent presence required to monitor or detect advanced craft operating 583 00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:24,839 hundreds or thousands of feet beneath the surface. 584 00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:28,519 Speaker 1: The ocean floor provides millions of square miles of unmonitored 585 00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:29,119 real estate. 586 00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:32,519 Speaker 2: It's perfect for a permanent base of operations right here 587 00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:33,039 on Earth. 588 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: It turns the entire search paradigm completely upside down. If 589 00:29:37,759 --> 00:29:40,960 the entities are hiding here, the challenge is no longer 590 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,160 defending against an invasion from space. 591 00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 2: But monitoring and perhaps regulating and existing internal non human 592 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,000 presence right off our own coastlines. 593 00:29:50,119 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: That dramatically increases the urgency and the proximity of the threat, 594 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:54,440 and that. 595 00:29:54,319 --> 00:29:56,559 Speaker 2: Brings us to the end of our rigorous deep dive 596 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,519 into the explosive claims featured in the Age of Disclosure. 597 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: The stimoni we've synthesized here confirms the documentary's overarching theme. 598 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,440 For eighty years, the reality of non human technology has 599 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,480 been intentionally obscured from the public, from Congress, and at 600 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,519 critical junctures, even from sitting presidents. 601 00:30:14,599 --> 00:30:18,319 Speaker 2: We've established the operational reality of the Legacy Crash Retrieval program, 602 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,279 a program designed with a level of security greater than 603 00:30:21,359 --> 00:30:22,599 even the Manhattan Project. 604 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,839 Speaker 1: And we've analyzed the terrifying implications of a simultaneous silent 605 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:31,119 arms race involving adversarial nations like Russia and China, all 606 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,400 of them vying to master this atomic weapon on steroids. 607 00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 2: We've also synthesized the extraordinary claims of non human interaction 608 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,599 at military bases, fact by thirty four high level, politically 609 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:47,160 diverse officials who all share this one unified truth, despite 610 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,599 the extreme sensationalism of those claims. 611 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,839 Speaker 1: And we've examined the tragic human toll, understanding how the 612 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,799 wall of classification is forcing personnel who are suffering from 613 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,920 biological effects to endure their ailments in silent ila. 614 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 2: And most critically, we've seen that the decision to disclose 615 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,880 this monumental truth has already been actively blocked twice by. 616 00:31:06,759 --> 00:31:10,799 Speaker 1: Presidents, once due to a genuine fear of societal meltdown 617 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,960 following nine to eleven, and once due to intense concern 618 00:31:14,039 --> 00:31:17,200 over the stability and potential collapse of the global economy. 619 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,039 Speaker 2: So the secret is maintained not because it isn't real, 620 00:31:20,079 --> 00:31:22,240 but because it is perceived by those in power to 621 00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:24,799 be too dangerous to the established world order. 622 00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: The hope, as articulated by the officials in the documentary, 623 00:31:28,599 --> 00:31:32,319 is that this sheer volume of high level, corroborating testimony 624 00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:36,599 will finally create the political momentum necessary to force Congress 625 00:31:36,599 --> 00:31:38,559 and the executive branch to lift that veil. 626 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 2: So this all boils down to one critical, complicated question 627 00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:44,920 for you, the listener, to ponder as you reflect on 628 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,319 these staggering claims and the history of presidential paralysis. 629 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,759 Speaker 1: Given the evidence that this information impacted two presidential disclosure decisions, 630 00:31:53,079 --> 00:31:56,079 one based on societal readiness after nine to eleven, and 631 00:31:56,119 --> 00:31:59,279 one based on economic fear, what factor do you think 632 00:31:59,319 --> 00:32:01,839 should weigh heavy it's on a president's decision to disclose 633 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:06,839 this truth, national security, societal stability, or economic consequences. 634 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 2: This is a truth that promises to redefine humanity. We 635 00:32:10,079 --> 00:32:12,279 invite you to consider your answer and leave a comment 636 00:32:12,319 --> 00:32:12,920 with your thoughts. 637 00:32:13,079 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: We'll see you next time on the Deep Dive.