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Now let's dive into today's episode. I like to welcome

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to the show, and Tom Gross spelled with g r

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os Z. Just for clarification, how are you, my friend?

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Speaker 2: Very fine? Thank you so much for the in right.

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I was my pleasure to be here.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being here. I'm looking forward

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to going down the rabbit hole with your with your

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your life story and what you've gone through in love

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is your very interesting character in that sense because you,

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from my understanding, you were you were born into a

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very very atheist family.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually call them devout atheists. Uh, that's a

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new one. They were there, they were amazing. I was

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six years old and my grandfather sat me on his

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knee and he said, God is the sum total of

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man's ignorance. Wow. We used to think the Son was God.

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Then we learned how the sun works. Now the Son's

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not God anymore. Someday humanity will learn how everything works,

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and there'll be no more need for God at all.

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And of course when you're six years old, you believe

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your grandfather, especially since he is the loudest one in

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the family and always wins all the arguments.

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Speaker 1: So let me ask you before we go down, before

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we go down the path, why you know from this

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point of view, this perspective. Now you know you've obviously

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been around the block a little bit. If you live

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life looking back at your family, what what was the

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cause of such a devout atheist situation and not just

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one person, but it seemed like a bunch of people

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in your family. What do you think caused that?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think to a great degree. First off, there

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with a lot of science in the family, you have

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to be able to improve it. And people say I

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believe in God, I believe in a higher power, Well

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prove it to me, show me point to God. You

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know you can't do that because it's an inner thing,

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which I have since learned. But the other thing was

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clearly it was a Jewish family. And so my mother,

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my grandfather and daughter told me if there were a God,

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which there isn't, but if there were, i'd speaking his

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eye for what he allowed to have happened to the Jews.

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In the second World War. So I had a little

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boy was told that not only God didn't exist, but

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if he did, he's pretty evil for letting all this

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stuff happen. So I think that's maybe the basis for

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all the things that happened to their ancestors and to

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their family.

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Speaker 1: It's very interesting because you know, I've also known and

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spoken to many many Jewish people that came from the

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Holocaust and have experience in it. And you went one

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of two ways. You either went the way your family went,

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or you went the complete opposite way of believing more

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in God. And God is the one that God us

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through it, and God is and so it's really fascinating

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to see the perspective of a person with the same

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same event creating these two different, very different, wildly different

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views on reality.

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Speaker 2: Oh. Absolutely absolutely. And of course when you're little, you

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do have no idea. I remember I'm, you know, five

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years old and arguing with my friend Beverly, and she says,

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but if there were no God, how would you know

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not to kill other people? And I tell Beverly, I

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just know that's wrong. You just don't do it because

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it's not the right thing. I don't need God from that,

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so I didn't believe in a thing. I personally modified

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my views to agnosticism as I got older, because it

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wasn't worth arguing about, you know, and you know, so

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forth and you know. But then of course, when I

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had my you know, epiphany at age thirty seven, everything, So.

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Speaker 1: Let's go down that road a bit. So for thirty

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first thirty seven years, you start off atheist, and you

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went to agnostic essentially, and then at thirty seven you

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happen to die. Can you you just died?

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Speaker 2: Been there, done that?

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Speaker 1: They as they say, so, tell us what happened, What

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led up to the day on the day of your death,

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what led up to your actual death?

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's really an interesting story, and it goes a

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little sideways. But there was a death in my family.

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My sister's husband, a young man, very lovely fellow, died

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early on and my sister, who obviously was raise in

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the same family, atheistic family that was, she found solace

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and comfort in side yoga meetings of the city of

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a group. And my mother was sympathetic with my sister,

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but she said to me, what do you find I

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want your sister is doing? Why does she need that

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religious group. So I can't talk to my sister, and

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she sent me a book by Baba Mokdananda, who was

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the founder of side Yoga on meditation. Now I'm in

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my you know, like thirties. I'm thirty seven years old

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at the time, hadn't thought about God at all. But

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I got into this meditation. Hey, let me try it.

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Let me see what it did. And I read it

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and it, Oh, it very creates peace inside. It was very,

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very peaceful, and I kind of was a natural. I

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felt really really good at it, and so I would meditate.

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And one night I was meditating just before going to

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bed because it calmed me down. I had a big

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day at work tomorth you know. The next day and

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I'm meditating and for some reason, when I was sitting

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on the can looking at a candle flame, but I

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had let all the air out of my body. And

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I don't know why I had done that, I just did.

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And I met it and suddenly I was below the

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ceiling looking down at my head and I thought myself,

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that down there? Or if that's me down there, who

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is this up here? And I took in a breath

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and I went back in my body, and I thought, wow,

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that's cool. Yeah, I wasn't afraid at all. And I

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being a scientist, right, you know, the having to prove everything,

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I realized, you know, I wouldn't be surprised if I

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let my body because I didn't have any air inside.

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I wonder if that bust the meditation is what made me,

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you know, go, you know, on top of my head.

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I gotta do this again, and I have to do it,

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and I'll keep my breath out longer because I'll bet

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if I stayed out longer, I could have looked around

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more and seen more from outside, so there was no

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fear at all. The next weekend, I decided to try

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it again. My wife is downtown shopping with our daughter.

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My nine year old son is playing in his room.

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I decide, hey, it's a good day to do it,

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to beat my body. So I read out and I

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ride on my bed with my hands folded like this.

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I'm on my my stomach, leaning on my elbows. Enough

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three times let all the air out, and I say,

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I'm not going to breathe again until I'm unconscious.

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Speaker 2: Because I knew that the body will normally bring things. Now,

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I didn't do anything stupid like put tape on my

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nose or mouth. I mean, you know, you know I'm

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not that off the wall, right, But I said, I'm

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not going to breathe in until I leave my body again,

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like I did, you know, las week And the clock

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goes around once, and the second hand goes around again,

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and I'm beginning to get whoa some pain in the body.

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I begin shaking like I'm in an earthquake, and then

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I feel like I am drowning. I get a flood,

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and then I feel like I'm burning up in a fire.

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And I later learned that according to the Tibetans in

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the writing of the Tibetan Book of the Dead, that

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these are the first three steps in leaving your body

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and dying. You lose the earth element, the water element,

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and then the fire element. The next thing is the

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air element, which i'd already left and didn't have inside

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my lungs. The only thing holding me to my body

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was something called the ether element, which sounds pretty nebulous

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to me. Anyway, there I am, and I'm asking myself.

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were unconscious, i'd be breathing. And I'm not breathing now,

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so I won't. And I held it out and I

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held it out, and the pain got worse, and I

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thought to myself, I suddenly realized I was dying. And

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I said to myself, no, God won't let me die

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while I'm looking for him. And I what, you know,

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what did I just say? But and then I saw

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a little light on the top of my head and

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it got bigger and bigger, and I thought, oh, my gosh,

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that must be the tunnel of going through into the

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light that Raymond Moody wrote about in his book Life

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After Life. I had read that book. And there was

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another sad thing. My wife's sister's husband, a young man,

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died from childhood diabetes at the young at a young age,

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and so she had read Life After Life and gave

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that to me. And I had compared Mukdnanda and Raymond

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Moody the spiritual and you know, the the near death experience,

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and thook it was the only, by the way, the

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only leap of faith I ever took. It was, Gee,

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what if body and mind really are separate. That would

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you know, the only in any event there I am

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this tunnel, this right, you know, gets bigger and bigger, bigger,

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and I suddenly went through. I have not breathed because

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it's been over three minutes and no air in the lungs,

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and I was in a space of brightness, unbelievable, greater, brighter,

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more incredible than anything I could ever believe existed. And further,

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there were a feeling of greater number of dimensions how

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do you describe but three dimensions perah that was nothing.

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There are so many more, and it was, you know, incredible.

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At this point, my body is in such pain I

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can't I took a breath in I fall off the bed.

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I start moving, my body going around rockets in an

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epileptic fit, which made sense because my mother and uncle

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both had epileptic fits at age thirty nine and I

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was thirty seven. But inside I was at such peace

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has I can't tell you the peace, the comfort, the joy,

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one of the feel inside well, my body has going

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crazy on the floor. At this point, my wife comes

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in the room. She is driven home from shopping. Our son,

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who had looked in the room, has gone out to

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meet her at the driveway and to put her mind

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that he says, Daddy's not dead. Daddy's not dead.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that that puts you to lady.

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Speaker 2: Foots her mind, didies. I'm rolling around and while I'm

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rolling on the floor, you know, in this peaceful thing,

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all right, I I can't move. I feel wires pulled

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out of my head like the old telephone switchboard, and

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then at some point they get put back in, but

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I feel them being put back in in a different place.

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I can't understand any of it at the time. And

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then when I can finally control my body, the first

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thing that happens is I am on my knees on

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the ground. My hands are fullded like this in front

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of my face, and my first words are I am reborn.

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I am reborn in God. And I was so embarrassed

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to hear me say that, m God. But my life

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made a complete right turn at that point, and I

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knew that everything that people have said about God it

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was true. There is a greater reality. It may not

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be out there where we can physically prove it by

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Newton's laws, but it does exist. And that's how it happened.

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Speaker 1: After you came back, How did the people around you

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kind of deal with this new version of you? Because

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you are completely transformed? So how did that? How did

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you and then how did you deal with that psychologically?

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Because it has to be difficult?

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Speaker 2: Are you crazy? What happened to you? What's the matter

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with you? Yeah? I experienced it. I've been there, all right,

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and I know what I experienced, and that's true. I've

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got to tell you one other thing. If I made

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one other historical bit, which may and all of this

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makes me feel that I'm on this path that has

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led to the writing of this book. That is, you

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know that we're here to talk about and i'd the

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interview and everything else. Why how did I get here?

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The idea that when I was when I was in college,

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I had an experience which seemed like it was meaningless

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except now looking back, and maybe the most important thing

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that happened there was a I was walking across campus

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and there's a sign psychological testing going on. Five dollars hey,

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lot of money, man, So I had nothing else to do.

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I went in I'll sign up. I went into all

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the tests, and the very vast room I went into.

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These were you know, grad students who had a thesis

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and they needed you know, some documentations, you know, for

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their for their he says. And the very best room

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I went into. There were five desks panels with lights

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on them and buttons red light and green light and

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the buttons underneath. And there were four other students who

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were in there and they said, oh, here comes another one.

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We can do it now, we can We hang to

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do the test, and the professor said, okay, he said,

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professor standing in the corner of the room, he said,

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I'm going to push a button. This is a test

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how fast you can go, you know, and your reactions.

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I'm going to push on. It's going to be the

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same for every panel. And each of you pushed the button.

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If you see green, pushed the button under green. You

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see read, pushed the button under red. And we're going

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to keep going faster and faster until somebody misses and

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that'll be the end of the test. So we start

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doing it. And I pushed red, I pushed green, I

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pushed red, and then suddenly beat The professor says, oh,

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somebody made a mistake. And the guy at the end,

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he says, who pushed red? I said, I did. He says,

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it was green. You missed. I said, no, it wasn't.

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It was red. He said, no, mine was green, and

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the professor said they'd both be the same. I did,

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but mine was red. And the woman over on the

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next side said, well, mine was green, and I don't

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care what yours was. Mine was red. And he said, well,

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you're you're wrong. All of us had green. You had read?

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Are you calling me a I know what I experienced.

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And we started, you know, raised this and went at

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each other, and I suddenly felt my hand, my arms

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held back behind me. It was the professor. He said, easy, son,

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it was read. You were correct. This is not a

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test for how fast you can react. It's a test

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to how you handle peer pressure. You did very well.

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You stood up for what you experienced. Now here, take

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this chick, go get your five dollars, and you know

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that's it.

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And now back to the show.

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Speaker 2: Boy. I was sold so upset, and I pushed that

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out of my memory until I had this experience. And

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then when people said, no, you didn't. I said, oh, yes,

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I did. I know where I've been, I know what

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I've experienced. And I even remember sitting, you know, on

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the couch crying, why why, Lord did I have to

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wait so long to learn that you existed? And I

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heard this little voice in my head, we said, if

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you knew this from the beginning, how could you have

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shared it with people who didn't know it. You've stood

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on both sides of the river. Now you can share

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that experience. So all of this I felt, even from

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the very I was born in a place in New

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York City, a section of New York City called Hell's Kitchens.

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How far I've come back. There are meanings to everything

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which we do not know, but you put it all together.

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I also have felt my entire life. You know, I've

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done so many things in my life. And I've been

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a writer, I've been a teacher, I've you know, a

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college teacher. I've been a sales and I've owned businesses.

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I've done all sorts of things. But I always felt

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that the later in life I did something, the more

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important it would be. I'm eighty five years old that

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I doesn't get, you know, I'm not going to be

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around that much longer. How many more things can I

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get to do this? Maybe this is the thing I

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was designed for, to experience this oneness of the universe,

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to realize that we are all connected, We're not separate

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beause we're one tree. And you know, if I hurt you,

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I'm hurting myself, you know. And to share this information

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of others. And you know, as I said, I've been

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on both sides. So if you tell me it doesn't

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the goods, I can say, well, I've been there, but

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we can now talk about that.

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Speaker 1: That's beautiful. That's beautiful. So when you when you started

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to come out and basically your life changed after this experience,

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you also went into work with hospice. If I'm not mistaken, correct.

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Speaker 2: I began, I was right. I had I had a

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business at the time. I was doing all fine and

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you know things, and I started caring for a fellow

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in our town, in our city, upstate New York. And

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he said, you know, if you like, you know, the

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idea of people sould, you should take care of people's bodies.

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And I became a certified home care assistant and then

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I started, you know, volunteering at hospice and and I

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ended up in my fifties going to uh, you know,

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San Francisco, to the California Institute of Integal Studies, where

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I got a PhD in the evolution of human consciousness.

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how would you like to become a priest? Excuse me? Yeah, yeah,

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I'm not going to study well, you know, but yeah,

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but what the five years you've just studied for your

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PhD is you know, well, he's working for this, you know,

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for this particular temple. So I became a priest. They

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asked me to why not? And right after that there

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was a an ad for they needed a chaplain for

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a hospice, but you had to be a priest or

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you know, an ordained minister to do it. So things

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fell into place, and for the last years of my

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life that's what I did, talking to people who were dying.

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And I consider myself a non denominational ministry. You know

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that there is no one religion. There are many, many paths,

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and I love sitting at the feet of somebody who goes,

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you know, who had a different path, and let them

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tell me what they believe and how they find the

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oneness and how they find God. For me, the only

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person you have to fear is a person who says

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my way is the only way right. But other than that,

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just open up and listen and learn. It's just so incredible.

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So yeah, that's how I spent the last years of

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my life helping people pass over.

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Speaker 1: And when you were going through that doing that work,

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what are some of the things that you saw or

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witnessed during that and were you a little bit more

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hypersensitive to the spiritual side of things because of your experience,

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in other words, seeing I'm not saying a shared death experience,

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but things like that.

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Speaker 2: That's a great question. No, I agree, it really helped.

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I remember one there was this one woman who I

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was in speaking to her and she started she burst

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out crying at one point, and I said, don't be afraid,

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you know not, you know, you know it's not painful,

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it's that you will separate from She said, no, no,

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she said, I'm just afraid that God won't accept me.

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I've been such a sinner. I feel for it. And

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I said, excuse me, I said, do you have any kids? Yeah,

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because I have a daughter. I said, if your daughter

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came to you and said, Mom, I've been such a

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bad person. I've been so terrible, but I'm so sorry.

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Do you forgive me? Would you forgive her? She said,

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of course I would. I said, why should God be

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any different? Mm hmm yeah, if I may share with you,

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by the way, the I'll give you one other and

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then I'll share this this one thing. Also, we work

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with people after the death of someone a family member.

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So there was the one woman or who I was

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working with, and after she died, I would go see

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her husband, you know, you know, for several months afterwards,

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we'd said we'd have a glass of wine and talk.

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I was on duty. Don't tell anyone, but I had

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a class of wine on duty. But we would talk,

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and every time we'd mentioned her name, you were crying,

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you know. And finally, you know, an insight came to

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me and I said, excuse me, John, did you love her?

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Speaker 3: Of course I loved her. She was the most wonderful person.

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She was the greatest white she was. And I said,

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then why are you crying? I said, if you loved

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her and you think of her, you should be smiling

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and happy she was in your life. If you're crying.

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You're thinking of yourself and what you know, and you

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know this. Realizations like this came out by the experience

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of being there. I will tell you one other if.

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Speaker 2: If I'm any please, I was with my mother when

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she died. I live was living in California at the time.

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She was living back in Massachusetts near my sister, and

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she had My sister is five years younger than I am,

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by the way, and she had been made power of

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attorney by my mother. Now I didn't, you know, didn't

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bother me, but I did say, why why did you

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take you know, the younger sister instead of the older brother.

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She said, oh, she said, yours too. Woo woo. She said,

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if anything ever happened to me, you'd say go, go go,

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you know. But she'll do whatever she can to keep

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me up. Give me a eye. Okay, I gotta call.

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I got a call from my sister. Mom is had

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you know, he fell. She's in a coma. She's in

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the hospital, not getting through. I can't handle this anymore.

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Come out here and do what you can. So I

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flew cross country. I'm in the room with my mother

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with reading. Uh. She's in a coma in the hospital room.

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I'm reading to her from my first book, Letters to

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a Dying Friend, which turns out to be a Western

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diverse of the Tibetan Book of the Dead with an

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intro by Dali Lama. By the way, but I'm reading there, and.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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And now back to the show.

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Speaker 2: She's in a coma and I'm doing something called therapeutic touch.

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Are you familiar with therapeutic touch?

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Speaker 1: Okay, please explain it, Please explain.

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Speaker 2: It, okay. Nurses use therapeutic touch to remove pain from people.

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It's by running your hands over their body from the

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head down to the feet, to take the energy away

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from the brain, which feels pain no matter where it

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is in the body. But when someone is dying, you

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do it in the other direction. You you know, you're

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maybe three inches above the person's body, their aura, and

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the idea is to take the energy of the person

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and to have them leave the body from the highest

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chakra you can find. So you want him to leave

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from the top of the head when they leave the

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body into the next into their next life. So I

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was performing this on my mother, reading from the book,

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telling her mom, we love you. You were a good mom.

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It's okay to go, you know. And so she opens

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her eyes. She sees me, and she gives me and

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look like you never said a word, but you give

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me a look like, oh shit, he's here. You know,

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I already told you, you know. So she realized, oh,

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if he's fallen across the country, this is it, you know.

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She closed her eyes again. We made eye contact. I said,

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I love your mom, and I kept with the therapeu

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to touch, talking to her. You can leave, you know,

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go into the light, into the light, and I could

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see on the side of her neck her artery, the

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jugular is going boom boom, and it kept and it

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got less and less and less, and in a few

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minutes it stopped completely. Hm. And I realized she had died.

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that she had died, and three nurses were looking in

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the room. In the door. He said, I've never seen

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anything like that before. That you were the most actually

473
00:32:56,039 --> 00:33:02,880
beautiful passing. And I realized what a blessing I had

474
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:10,200
been given to help her into the next world, like

475
00:33:10,359 --> 00:33:13,559
she helped me into this world. Hm.

476
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:14,799
Speaker 1: Hm, that's beautiful.

477
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:20,279
Speaker 2: It was. It was just an incredible thing, and I went.

478
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,279
Speaker 1: Let me, let's go back into your experience for a second.

479
00:33:23,359 --> 00:33:26,359
You saw white light, obviously, and that's something that a

480
00:33:26,359 --> 00:33:29,000
lot of people see. But you didn't have a life review.

481
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,799
You didn't meet any other people, there, other beings there,

482
00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:33,680
anything else like that.

483
00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 2: Correct, that is correct, is correct.

484
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: So then, but you had this overwhelming feeling of love.

485
00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 2: Yes, I did. I did have. There was one other

486
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:52,079
feeling that I had that was absolutely incredible, and that

487
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,920
has kept with me ever since. After I had come

488
00:33:56,119 --> 00:33:58,680
out of it, and I had already said, you know,

489
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I'm reborn, and you know, and I'm back. And I

490
00:34:03,119 --> 00:34:08,039
was still definitely under you know, the influence. And if

491
00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:11,800
I lean my head one way, I was in the

492
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,199
room in the house. If I lean my head the

493
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:22,079
other way, I went back into space and I could

494
00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:27,360
see Earth become a small ball, we became a Yin

495
00:34:27,519 --> 00:34:35,360
yang symbol. And I suddenly realized how everything in the

496
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:44,719
universe is balanced, how everything is you know, not to

497
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:49,320
get political, I don't want to do that here, but

498
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:54,000
you know, in the old days, I'm an old you

499
00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:59,679
know Eisenhower Stevenson period person, you know, well before you

500
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,719
were or young man. But you know that, you know,

501
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:08,280
when Republican and Democrats would would you know, have an

502
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:13,480
election and then they get together afterwards and compromise and

503
00:35:13,559 --> 00:35:16,360
get things done together. But you know, and so the

504
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,679
balance was an agreement in the middle. These days you've

505
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:26,800
got extremes in extreme left and extreme right. But from

506
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:32,800
the point of view of the universe, it's still balanced,

507
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:39,199
isn't it correct? So it's fascinating thing. And this I recognized.

508
00:35:40,159 --> 00:35:44,800
You know at that point that the universe itself is

509
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,960
is balanced, even if it's whether it's both coming together

510
00:35:49,559 --> 00:35:52,679
or spreading apart. At one side gets larger, the other

511
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,559
side gets farther away. That's just the way it is.

512
00:35:56,159 --> 00:35:59,119
Speaker 1: And let me ask you, why do you think. I mean,

513
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,840
I'm assuming after this experience she started to go in

514
00:36:02,119 --> 00:36:04,199
down the rabbit hole and started reading a lot, and

515
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:08,400
started educating yourself on some types of spiritual because you're

516
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,480
obviously when you get experienced like that, you're like starving

517
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,239
for more information. You want to figure things out of

518
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,360
what the hell just happened?

519
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely, I read all the religious books that I

520
00:36:19,519 --> 00:36:24,039
could of different things. Started with the Bible from beginning

521
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:27,000
to end, the Old Testament, New testament. I remember one

522
00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:34,199
day sitting in the library reading the quotes of Jesus

523
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:40,920
and I burst into tears, thinking, oh my god, I've

524
00:36:41,079 --> 00:36:49,119
just spent the entire day reading the teachings of Jesus Christ.

525
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:56,280
How phenomenal, What a phenomenal way to spriend today. Incredible.

526
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:03,880
But I study. I studied Christian the Judy, Islam, Buddhism,

527
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:11,840
Tibetan Buddhism, Confucianism, Hinduism, everything, and that I saw all

528
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:18,440
these different ways of being. And that's the thing that

529
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,039
got me to believe that, you know, there are so

530
00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:24,599
many different ways. And I said, the only one to

531
00:37:24,639 --> 00:37:26,239
hear is the one who said my way is the

532
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:27,000
only way. Right.

533
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: So, with all this experience and all of the education

534
00:37:30,119 --> 00:37:33,880
that you you've gotten by reading and studying all of

535
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,039
these different paths, I'm assuming at one point or another

536
00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:39,199
you probably got into some of the more esoteric woo

537
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,920
wu stuff as well, not just the traditional stuff. But

538
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,920
my question to you is do you believe in reincarnation?

539
00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:51,159
And if you do believe in reincarnation, do you believe

540
00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:54,679
in the soul's agreement a soul blueprint that kind of

541
00:37:54,679 --> 00:37:57,840
sets your life up according to whatever you decide the

542
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,280
lessons you need to learn. And if you do believe that,

543
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:05,199
why do you think you chose in this life to

544
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,719
go down the path that you went down thirty seven

545
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:12,239
years of atheism? Then all of a sudden reborn one.

546
00:38:13,039 --> 00:38:18,079
Speaker 2: I do believe in reincarnation. I have had a couple

547
00:38:18,119 --> 00:38:23,119
of memories of previous things. Something happened to me in

548
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:27,360
this light, and it suddenly brings me back to some

549
00:38:27,519 --> 00:38:34,360
place in the past. All right, Do I believe that

550
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,320
we choose where we want to be? Yes, yes I do,

551
00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:44,760
Yes I do. But the thing is, see, I am

552
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,480
at a point now else where I don't believe that

553
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:56,519
I am this little piece of meat, and Tom grows right,

554
00:38:57,079 --> 00:39:03,159
all right, I am now truly leave in new consciousness,

555
00:39:03,559 --> 00:39:08,320
which is the awareness that the I am that I

556
00:39:08,519 --> 00:39:12,960
feel inside and the I am that you feel inside

557
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:19,280
is the same universal I am m hm. So that

558
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,719
when you, when I get to that point, when someone

559
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:29,400
gets to the point, you realize that I am the

560
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:34,159
oneness of it all. And so this little piece of

561
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:40,360
meat was created to do whatever it you know wants

562
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:45,440
to do to be happy. I mean, this is this

563
00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:48,719
is the key I think to the whole thing as

564
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,320
also when I was a little boy, at my eighth birthday,

565
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,360
my Aunt Claire asked me, what do you want to

566
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,519
be when you grow up? And I said, I want

567
00:39:59,519 --> 00:39:59,960
to be happy.

568
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,519
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor

569
00:40:08,119 --> 00:40:09,400
and now back to the show.

570
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Speaker 2: And my mother was walking by. She said, you can't

571
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:19,079
be happy, you have to be something. Okay, Well, but

572
00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:23,559
we've all heard that, right, you know. But in truth,

573
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,320
I just want to be happy. And isn't that why

574
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:35,159
each one of us was created to be happy? I

575
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:40,199
lead meditation group at the Newark, Delaware Senior Center, you

576
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:46,119
know where I live, and I've had them, you know,

577
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:52,360
ask people to meditate on whatever things they do that

578
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:57,760
they're good at, you know, and and tell them afterwards.

579
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,480
You know, if I had asked you, what are the

580
00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:03,760
things that you like to do that make you happy?

581
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,519
Chances are it would have been the same thing. We

582
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:13,360
are built. We're designed to do what gives us joy,

583
00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:20,000
because the entire creation of the universe was to give

584
00:41:20,119 --> 00:41:24,199
joy to the creator, to the ultimate. I am if

585
00:41:24,199 --> 00:41:27,320
I may my favorite word. There are so many names

586
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,159
for God, and it always bothers the heck out of

587
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,800
me that people go to war because you call God

588
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:38,760
a different name than I call God house house. That

589
00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:46,119
My favorite name of all is Satchi Ananda. Sachat Ananda,

590
00:41:46,199 --> 00:41:55,000
the ancient Hindu word from three Sanskrit words sachit and ananda, existence, consciousness, bliss,

591
00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:02,000
I am, I'm aware that I am. Wow. You know,

592
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,079
God didn't create the universe because his mother said, get

593
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:09,440
off the couch and do something, you lazy kid, right

594
00:42:10,039 --> 00:42:18,880
m The universe will created because I want to. I

595
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,400
I have feelings inside that I can't want to turn

596
00:42:22,519 --> 00:42:27,039
into the into the physical. I can create the physical.

597
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:33,320
We do that constantly. We vision something in our mind,

598
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,280
whether it's what am I going to have for dinner?

599
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,360
You know, to where do I want to travel for vacation,

600
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,199
or boy, I'd like to spend my life doing podcasts,

601
00:42:46,519 --> 00:42:53,400
you know, right right, whatever it happens to be, we

602
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:59,360
have that option of putting it into play. One of

603
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:05,880
the sad things I ever heard was a morning talk

604
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:12,159
show in San Francisco Bring your daughter to workday, and

605
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:16,000
one of the people who brought a daughter and the

606
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,039
he fell on the show, said and tell me, my dear,

607
00:43:19,079 --> 00:43:21,800
what would you like to do when you grow up?

608
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:24,920
She says, I want to work in an office so

609
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,760
I can do what I want to on weekends. And

610
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:34,400
I said, oh my god, how sad is that here's

611
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:39,599
this seven eight year old girl who already figures I'm

612
00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:42,320
going to have to do something I don't want. Wow,

613
00:43:42,679 --> 00:43:45,320
so that I have time on my and or money

614
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,679
to do what I want to do. No, what do

615
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:53,679
you want? What gives you joy? That's where you should be.

616
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:59,000
And I said, I'm eighty five. What gives me join now?

617
00:44:00,039 --> 00:44:06,719
Airing with others? The idea of new consciousness, of the

618
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:11,000
fact that we are one, that you know, it doesn't

619
00:44:11,039 --> 00:44:14,039
make sense to hurt each other, love each other. That's

620
00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:15,079
what it's all about.

621
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 1: And Tom, do you do you have a message for

622
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,960
people watching who many times people watch this who have

623
00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:26,719
a loved one who's dying, they're dying themselves, or they're

624
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:31,079
afraid of dying. What message do you have for them?

625
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:35,320
For these these people who are fearful of of what

626
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:39,400
what's coming after this this meat suit retires?

627
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 2: It's a really you know, why don't you give me

628
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:53,760
a deep question? Uh? All right? The Yeah. What I

629
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,960
used to do, you know, is to talk to people.

630
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:04,360
I came up with h a prayer if you will,

631
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:10,960
a blessing that was non denominational for you know that

632
00:45:11,039 --> 00:45:14,159
I used in the hospital, and it was may what

633
00:45:14,519 --> 00:45:21,800
is supposed to happen happen with no pain or suffering

634
00:45:22,039 --> 00:45:29,000
for anyone. And that's the point. Any physical thing is

635
00:45:29,199 --> 00:45:34,199
going to die, is going to cease to exist, whether

636
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:39,440
it's a plant, an animal, a human, a star, or

637
00:45:39,519 --> 00:45:49,480
a galaxy. Anything physical comes to an end, but the

638
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,639
consciousness within it, the awareness within it, does not come

639
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,360
to an end. So I would tell all these people

640
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:02,239
and I would share this in to your question. If

641
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,880
he's happened to see a bright light in your dreams

642
00:46:08,199 --> 00:46:12,239
followed the light, go for the a. You know it's

643
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,199
going to happen. You can't fight. One of the saddest

644
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:22,039
things I ever experienced as a hospice chaplain. I go

645
00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:26,199
around once a week to the different locations, and there

646
00:46:26,199 --> 00:46:30,840
was this one woman who did not have family but

647
00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:36,440
had some medical condition, and she told them, whatever you do,

648
00:46:36,599 --> 00:46:44,679
keep me alive. They put tubes in her that fed

649
00:46:44,679 --> 00:46:51,679
her for eight years. This poor woman was lying in

650
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,920
the bed. They put a stuffed animal in her arm.

651
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,559
The TV is on in front of her in the

652
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,519
home because they just do that, you know, whatever else

653
00:47:01,599 --> 00:47:04,840
is going on, and she's there and our eyes would meet.

654
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,199
There was nothing you can do because once you put

655
00:47:09,199 --> 00:47:15,280
that tube in, you cannot pull it out legally. So

656
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,880
there she was, and you know, that was so sad,

657
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,800
and she was so sad, and she was probably thinking,

658
00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:27,599
my gosh, why did I want to hang around lying

659
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,840
like this, unable to move, unable to eat, unable to

660
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:35,880
do anything. But just exist like that, not to be

661
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,519
afraid of it. That's the main that's the main thing.

662
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,400
You know. It's like an it dream you dream, right

663
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,280
of course, of course when you dream, do you realize

664
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,480
that there's a lump of meat lying there in a bed?

665
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:57,239
I don't think. So we're off. We're doing our thing

666
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:03,880
in dreams. Well, that pretty much what it's like, you know,

667
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:08,920
after you've left the body, after what we call dying,

668
00:48:09,079 --> 00:48:14,280
it's it's we don't cease to exist, but our connection

669
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:20,239
to the body ceases to exist. And then if we

670
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:26,199
enjoyed having a body, we can come back. And another

671
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:30,599
one that's that reincarnation, you know, that that you mentioned.

672
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:35,480
And if the talents and skills and abilities that I

673
00:48:35,679 --> 00:48:41,599
have in this life can be kind of put together,

674
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,280
and I can carry it on in a backpack with

675
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:48,599
me into the next life. Then I can use that

676
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:53,679
and do you know, do something else. You know, Mozart

677
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:59,920
did not, uh first hear music for the very first

678
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:02,960
time when he was five years old and say, oh

679
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,840
my god, Wow, that's great stuff. I think I'll write

680
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,760
a concerto by the time I'm six. All right, he'd

681
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:15,880
been there and done that. Sure, all right, Yeah, I played.

682
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:19,360
I played. I started playing violin when I was five

683
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:24,039
years old. When I was six, I played Brahms Hungarian

684
00:49:24,119 --> 00:49:29,519
Dance number five as a solo in a concert. All Right.

685
00:49:30,199 --> 00:49:33,920
You don't do that if you've never run into music before.

686
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:37,400
I must have been a musician, you know, in the past.

687
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:41,679
It just fell into place naturally. You know, some of

688
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:45,599
the athletes that you see who are just so so comfortable,

689
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,239
so fabulous at what they do can't be the first

690
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:50,880
time they've been there and done that.

691
00:49:51,039 --> 00:49:56,679
Speaker 1: You've spoken a bunch in this conversation about consciousness. It's

692
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:01,400
my belief that humanity's consciousness is definitely rising. The frequency

693
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,639
of humanity and its and vibration is rising, more so

694
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,079
even within your life from where the sixties were to

695
00:50:08,159 --> 00:50:13,280
where we are now substantially different. Where do you think?

696
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,679
Why do you think this is happening? And it seems

697
00:50:16,679 --> 00:50:20,599
to be happening in an accelerated fashion because within the

698
00:50:20,679 --> 00:50:23,039
last one hundred and fifty years, I think our consciousness

699
00:50:23,039 --> 00:50:27,239
has grown farther than the last six thousand years. And

700
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,519
not only through consciousness but also through technology. Both things

701
00:50:30,519 --> 00:50:34,559
have grown so exponentially fast. And it seems like now

702
00:50:35,039 --> 00:50:38,159
if you put the two parallels of technology and consciousness

703
00:50:38,159 --> 00:50:42,320
next to each other, we'll be right back after a

704
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:48,280
word from our sponsor, and now back to the show.

705
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:55,760
Every day seems like things are changing so so so fast.

706
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:00,000
These last five years have been so much truncated change

707
00:51:00,599 --> 00:51:07,159
in humanity, whether it be political technology, you know it's

708
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:11,519
established like religions and other entities that are starting to

709
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show cracks and you know, falling and systems cracking and

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all these kind of things. But our consciousness is starting

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to grow up. Like you know, when when Raymond Moody

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was talking about near death experiences, nobody was interested. It

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was very, very very outside. Now everybody's everyone knows everyone,

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it's it's it's in the zeitgeist, go towards the light.

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All this kind of stuff. So what's your thoughts on that?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think you're you're right on that evolution has

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changed and it is has changed from the beginning of

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time on right. I mean, there were a time when

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rocks were the most evolved beings on the planet, right

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And just imagine, you know how long they were there?

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And what an evolutionary leap when plants showed up. Oh

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my god, we can turn and face the sun, you know,

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and we can reach down for water. We don't know

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that we're doing that, but rocks to sit there stoned,

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so to speak, you know, and then plants, you know, animals,

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small animals coming and the humans what we can think,

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you know, I mean, just take a play and a

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little animal before us running constantly down from the burrow

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to the river to drink, on the same path every day,

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and one day stops and says, oh my goodness, I

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don't have to keep going this way. I could go

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this way if I wanted, or I could turn and

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go that way. What an evolutionary leap. We are at

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that point, and it has been going faster. I mean,

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it just takes human development. If we were living in

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the twelve hundreds right now, Okay, from the time you

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were born till the time you die. What's the biggest change.

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You'd see the stone wall between your mastersville, the you know,

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the lord of the manor and the you know, and

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the next war that's grown, you know, twenty twenty feet

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because you built the stone wall. That's the change. Look

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at the changes in our life.

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Speaker 1: Computers, you know, the Internet AI I started.

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Speaker 2: My wife and I were you know, studied computers back

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in you know, in the university, back you know, late

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fifties or early sixties. When we went to school, we

747
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walked inside computers that have less power than what you're

748
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wearing on your wrist, correct, you know, I mean, this

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is ridiculous. And so it's happening, and it's happening so

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much faster, and that is true with the awareness of

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consciousness itself. That's, if I may sure, that's what this

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is about. M Okay. The idea that talking about the

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fact that our consciousness is the same would have made

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no sense sometime before, but now it does because we're

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at that place where we realize it's voluntary. Everything up

756
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to this, you know, the change from rocks to Prience

757
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France to animals, animals to thinking animals, right, that's all.

758
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They've all followed instinct. Right. They didn't know what they

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were were doing per se, But humans do. We have

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reached a level where I can consciously make a choice

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do I want to do this or do I not

762
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want to do this? All right, there's a little thing

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I came up with. What if they were eyes on

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the end of the fingers, and they looked out and

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they saw the thumb, and they said, you stupid thumb

766
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coming from all the way over there, Take that lad,

767
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And they scratched the thumb, and the thumb got infected,

768
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and the infection went up through the fingers, and the

769
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fingers got infected because they attacked the thumb which was

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connected to them. Would they have attacked the thumb if

771
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they knew they were connected? Chances are they wouldn't. Shouldn't

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humans be that smart? We are not physically connected, but

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we are connected by our feeling of existence. I am,

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that very very feeling of being of a living of

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existing is the same when you get rid of all

776
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the adjectives that make you and me different, You know,

777
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when anyone says I am, and then they said adjective rich, poor, black, white,

778
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old young, you know, blah blah blah, whatever it is, male, female,

779
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they're just adjectives. Get rid of them all. In meditation

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we do this, We get down to the feeling of

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the pure existence. It's the same for us all. Why

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would I hurt you if I knew that you were me?

783
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And that's the decision humanity has to make right now.

784
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Now are we going to survive? Who knows? Does the

785
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creator care? We're here? So that we are you know,

786
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can you know survive? But I'm sure there are other

787
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planets somewhere in the galaxies where other living beings. So

788
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if this one doesn't make it, check that one off. Okay,

789
00:57:29,119 --> 00:57:32,199
that one didn't work, well, do you know? But another

790
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one will. However, you bring up another point. There is

791
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this other thing that's happening now, and it's happening so

792
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fast it's scaring a lot of people. And that's ai.

793
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What if What if as each level of consciousness has grown,

794
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you know, rocks, plants, to animals to humans. What if

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one of the reasons humans were here we was so

796
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that we could build a housing for consciousness that could

797
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survive longer than humans can. Who says that consciousness the

798
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feeling of I am has to exist in a piece

799
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of meat, in flesh and blood. Maybe it could exist

800
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in metal and silicon and other things. Imagine when the

801
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sun gets hotter, right, we know that it's going to

802
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turn into a red giant at some point. Well, it

803
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will get too hot for flesh and blood, but it

804
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may not be too hot for the AIE creations that

805
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we are putting together. Now, who knows?

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Speaker 1: Who knows?

807
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Speaker 2: Who knows?

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Speaker 1: So Anton, where where can people find out more about

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you and the amazing work you're doing in the world.

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Speaker 2: Well, I would like them to find out through through

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my book, mhm, through if I may hold it over again? Sure?

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Speaker 1: What's the name of the book?

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Speaker 2: Handbook for a New Consciousness, The Next Step in Human Evolution?

814
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Beautiful and Amazon, Amazon, Amazon, a bunch of other places

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as well online and Bond and Noble Online, And well,

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you know what have you? And I do meditation? I

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run a meditation session on Mondays in Meditation Chapel.

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Speaker 1: And you have a website.

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Speaker 2: I have a website, Anton Gross dot com. That's a

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N T O N G R O s Z dot.

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Speaker 1: Anthon. It's been it has been a pleasure having you

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on the show. My friend, you have a beautiful energy

823
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to you and I and I appreciate what you're doing

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to help awaken the planet, my friends, So thank you

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again for being here.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you very much for the invite, and I

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appreciate what you're doing to help spread the word from

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not only me, but from all others, to try to

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make this a more loving, peaceful ban it where we

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care about each other. I am, you are, and we

831
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are one. That's the way it should be and we

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should know that. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for spending this sacred time with us today.

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