1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: That that is futile. Soon the machines will do it 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:08,320 for you. And so you've demoralized an entire generation and 3 00:00:08,359 --> 00:00:11,039 told them that they can look forward to basically being 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:16,000 pets to the machines or to billionaires with machines. Okay, 5 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,920 if that actually comes true, nightmare. But if it doesn't 6 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,920 come true, then you've enfeebled this generation. They did not 7 00:00:24,399 --> 00:00:28,079 hit the ground running, and so that is even worse 8 00:00:28,199 --> 00:00:30,920 to me. Right, Like you never get the god like Ai, 9 00:00:31,199 --> 00:00:34,920 you never get the superpower brainship. All you get is, 10 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,759 you know, a fluffy dream and a whole lot of 11 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,600 atrophied human beings. That's the real nightmare. And that's what 12 00:00:40,679 --> 00:00:43,280 I hope can be countered, and it can be. I 13 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:57,079 really do believe that. This is Jonathan Peshel. 14 00:00:57,719 --> 00:01:11,359 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Symbolic World. Hello everyone. 15 00:01:11,599 --> 00:01:13,879 Speaker 3: I am excited to be here with Joe Allen. Joe 16 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,519 Allen is the author of the book Dark Eon. He's 17 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,719 also a tech editor on Steve Bannon's War Room, and 18 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,400 he's going to help us think through all the things 19 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:26,599 tech and all the things transhuman that are transpiring around 20 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:27,079 us today. 21 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 2: So Joe, thanks for talking to me. 22 00:01:29,239 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: Very good to be here, thank you for having me. 23 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:33,079 Speaker 3: So, I mean, my first question is going to be 24 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,719 a very broad one. There are so many things happening 25 00:01:35,799 --> 00:01:39,560 simultaneously right now, you know, with the kind of explosion 26 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,280 of AI in the actual models, to the you know, 27 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,000 to Trump saying he's going to deregulate AI as much 28 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,760 as possible, investing in the Stargate project, with Musk being 29 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:50,560 in the White House. 30 00:01:50,359 --> 00:01:52,239 Speaker 2: There's just crazy. It is this crazy. 31 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 3: What is the thing that is grabbing your attention the most, 32 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,040 that you think is what we need to be paying 33 00:01:58,040 --> 00:01:59,400 attention to the most? 34 00:02:00,599 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: You know, the duality of this administration is really striking 35 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:09,680 from my perspective. Many of the issues that I was 36 00:02:09,759 --> 00:02:13,240 that I voted for Trump on the basis of, you know, 37 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:17,560 he's seems to be coming through for us on the border, 38 00:02:18,039 --> 00:02:22,400 slashing a lot of the wasteful government spending a fraction 39 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,400 of it anyway, and you know, of course doing away 40 00:02:25,439 --> 00:02:28,680 with DEI affirmative action, these sorts of things. To me, 41 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:33,879 these are all positives. But you know, I covered this 42 00:02:34,319 --> 00:02:41,039 for the majority of twenty twenty four, This influence by 43 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,599 tech accelerationists. You know, Peter Thiel's been with him from 44 00:02:44,599 --> 00:02:47,960 the beginning. Since back in twenty fifteen sixteen. But then 45 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,759 you have Musk coming on board, you have Mark Andrees 46 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:55,240 coming on board. There's always been that element, and I've 47 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:59,039 always tried to beat it into the heads of my 48 00:02:59,199 --> 00:03:03,000 listeners and readers, is that transhumanism isn't some globalist thing, 49 00:03:03,599 --> 00:03:06,639 it's not some left wing thing. It's always had a 50 00:03:06,759 --> 00:03:10,680 kind of right wing flavor from even the Nietzschean origins. 51 00:03:10,759 --> 00:03:13,639 But also you've got nick Land people like this that 52 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:18,639 are not liberal. So it's not like this comes as 53 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,639 a surprise. You know, to the chagrin of the war 54 00:03:21,719 --> 00:03:25,439 room audience, I was banging on this drum that Trump 55 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,560 is going to be a mixed bag, and you know, 56 00:03:28,719 --> 00:03:32,479 on one half of that bag is all the things 57 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,680 that we want to see happen in America, the possibility 58 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,639 of preserving the Republic. And on the other hand, you 59 00:03:38,719 --> 00:03:42,439 have red, white, and Blue demons clawing their way into 60 00:03:42,479 --> 00:03:45,639 the earth to get rare earth minerals, and you know, 61 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:50,719 develop massive artificial intelligence infrastructure that will watch your every 62 00:03:50,759 --> 00:03:55,199 move and become a godlike entity for machine worshippers. So 63 00:03:55,319 --> 00:03:57,960 you know, it's a little half and half. 64 00:03:58,319 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think that's something that we can 65 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:00,680 and dive into. 66 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 3: And it would be interesting to think about it because 67 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,080 you know, there is of course the left wing aspect 68 00:04:06,159 --> 00:04:10,000 of transhumanism which has to do with this vision of progress, 69 00:04:10,159 --> 00:04:13,280 this vision that there's a relationship between scientific and science 70 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,720 and technical progress and moral progress, and the idea of 71 00:04:17,519 --> 00:04:20,279 making it possible to be more and more idiosyncratic and 72 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:24,240 less and less you know, that's a less and less 73 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,439 connected to the traditional hierarchies and be able to do 74 00:04:26,519 --> 00:04:28,319 whatever you want. And so you can see these aspects 75 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,920 of transhumanism in kind of the biological modifications of the 76 00:04:31,959 --> 00:04:36,800 bodies with obviously transgender stuff, but then also body modification 77 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,560 in terms of the more aesthetic aspect. All of these 78 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,360 things definitely do connect with AI and also the idea 79 00:04:42,399 --> 00:04:45,839 of kind of being whatever you want online in the metaverse. 80 00:04:45,879 --> 00:04:47,319 Speaker 2: You know, of the avatar. 81 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,959 Speaker 3: But what would you see what is the connection to 82 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,800 the more kind of right wing and more conservative aspect 83 00:04:53,879 --> 00:04:56,839 that that leads into transhumanism. 84 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,399 Speaker 1: Well, you know, just to address that really quickly, the 85 00:04:59,399 --> 00:05:04,680 notion of pro both technical and moral progress moving forward, 86 00:05:04,959 --> 00:05:09,040 so to speak, in tandem. It's more capitalist progress than 87 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,600 Marxist or communist progress. Not to say that there aren't 88 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:18,279 communists who I would classify as transhumanist, but it is 89 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,279 definitely techno capital driving it, so that even someone that 90 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:27,399 like Martin Rothblat is probably the most outspoken on the 91 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:33,040 connection between transgenderism and transhumanism. But Rothblatt is close to 92 00:05:33,079 --> 00:05:35,639 a billionaire, if not a billionaire, you know, roth Black 93 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:40,600 came from the tech world, developed serious XM, all these 94 00:05:40,639 --> 00:05:45,000 sorts of things. So, you know, I think that it 95 00:05:45,199 --> 00:05:51,240 is progressive, right. It sees history, especially the singularitarians, see 96 00:05:51,319 --> 00:05:56,439 history as this exponential increase in sophisticated technology, so on 97 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:00,639 and so forth. But it is by and large capitalist 98 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,720 vision of that. So that is to the extent you know, 99 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,240 left and right, You've talked about this at length. Left 100 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:11,319 and right are very slippery terms and very fuzzy conceptually. 101 00:06:11,319 --> 00:06:14,920 They don't make sense in the same ways that they did, 102 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:19,279 you know, during the French Revolution. Right. So, but to 103 00:06:19,319 --> 00:06:22,319 the extent that you would say that right wing is 104 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:28,759 more free market, that right wing is more nationalist, or 105 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,839 that right wing is in some sense traditionalists in regard 106 00:06:32,959 --> 00:06:37,480 to say gender, a good example of the latter of 107 00:06:38,199 --> 00:06:43,160 gender norms, gender normativity and transhumanism would be the Enhanced 108 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:47,199 Olympics that Peter Teel is funding. In many others, this 109 00:06:47,439 --> 00:06:51,680 is especially from a masculine point of view, very gender normative, 110 00:06:52,399 --> 00:06:56,519 in which, you know, the traits, the masculine traits are 111 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,720 being emphasized by way of technology, whether it's you know, 112 00:06:59,759 --> 00:07:03,319 you're you're juice and steroids or any other sort of 113 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:09,319 like body modification augmentation. Another example would be the sort 114 00:07:09,319 --> 00:07:13,879 of quasi porn starlet of Fox News, right like the 115 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,519 you know that these these women, you know, some of 116 00:07:16,519 --> 00:07:18,959 them are naturally beautiful, but you know, by and large 117 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:23,120 the culture coming out of Hollywood of augmentation creating an 118 00:07:23,199 --> 00:07:27,040 esthetic of a feminine aesthetic in and of itself. You 119 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,959 might not call that transhuman, I would, but it is 120 00:07:31,199 --> 00:07:34,560 on that spectrum of like normativity. Now real quick, you know, 121 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:40,879 with nationalism, Peter Teel very much an American nationalist, Mark 122 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,680 and Dreesen I think, at least, you know, more recently 123 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,839 an American nationalists, and certainly anti communists, certainly anti China 124 00:07:48,519 --> 00:07:53,360 and Elon Musk as much of he is really a 125 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,480 trickster figure, a kind of a Luciferian you know, tongue 126 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,480 in cheek Luciferian sort of figure. But I don't think 127 00:08:01,519 --> 00:08:06,360 that he is one disingenuous when he says that he 128 00:08:06,439 --> 00:08:10,079 wants to see America become great, right, I don't know 129 00:08:10,079 --> 00:08:12,240 about a great again. He seems to be much more 130 00:08:12,279 --> 00:08:15,680 forward thinking. But I do think that by throwing in 131 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:20,720 his chips a quarter billion of them with Trump, that 132 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,839 it does signal a legitimate dedication to America. So this 133 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:29,279 sort of nationalism, So yeah, I mean I transhumanism, you know, 134 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,360 this desire to use science and technology to go beyond 135 00:08:32,919 --> 00:08:37,840 the human is transpolitical. It's transnational. There. You know, people 136 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,320 like to wag a an accusing finger at the World 137 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,320 Economic Forum and clash Schwab and uvall Harari. But these 138 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,080 are mouthpieces. These are people doing pr You know. The 139 00:08:46,159 --> 00:08:50,399 real transhumanists are something else. You know, both the philosophical 140 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:56,279 transhumanists and the ones in Silicon Valley at Google, at Meta, 141 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:01,320 you know, in these massive companies that are making it 142 00:09:01,399 --> 00:09:05,039 possible to, if not go beyond the human, at least 143 00:09:05,399 --> 00:09:08,360 hold that myth out that we can go beyond the 144 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:12,200 human and you know, give us some reasonable facsimile of 145 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:12,879 the cyborg. 146 00:09:13,879 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 3: So what let's let's let me play Devil's advocate for 147 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:17,000 a little while. 148 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 2: People who watch me. 149 00:09:18,039 --> 00:09:21,279 Speaker 3: Know what I probably think. But you know, why is 150 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,919 that a problem? Let's let's play it out, like why 151 00:09:24,039 --> 00:09:27,559 is it a problem? Why is transhumanism a threat to us? 152 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: Why? 153 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 3: Why wouldn't we want to be more than human? 154 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:30,399 Speaker 1: Like? 155 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,159 Speaker 2: Why, you know? What is it about us? 156 00:09:33,279 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 3: The more the more kind of traditional thinkers who who 157 00:09:36,919 --> 00:09:39,600 see that as a as an issue and related to 158 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,879 a kind of idolatry, But like, what would be the 159 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:42,600 argument for it? 160 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:44,799 Speaker 2: Like why, you know, why is it? Why is it bad? 161 00:09:44,879 --> 00:09:47,159 I'm not sure, Like I'm trying to. I'd like to 162 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:48,120 hear your thoughts on that. 163 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,039 Speaker 1: Well, you know, if you're making billions of dollars or 164 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:52,679 if you want to become a slave to the machine, 165 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:58,480 it's a great thing. But I think the number. 166 00:09:58,279 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 3: One work that out, Like what you would just say 167 00:10:00,279 --> 00:10:03,399 is that it's what transhumanism will do, will be create 168 00:10:03,919 --> 00:10:06,840 a more an elite that will be more than any 169 00:10:06,919 --> 00:10:10,159 of many, more of an elite than anything we've seen 170 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:10,799 until now. 171 00:10:11,759 --> 00:10:14,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, they say rising tides lift all boats, but something 172 00:10:14,919 --> 00:10:16,480 tells me that we're going to be in the little 173 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,759 puttering motor boats while they're in the yachts. Yeah, I 174 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:26,200 excuse me. I think that the number one issue I 175 00:10:26,279 --> 00:10:30,279 have with the concept of transhumanism isn't that it's not 176 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,320 that people want to do this. People have all sorts 177 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,600 of desires. I'm not trying to stand in the way 178 00:10:35,639 --> 00:10:39,559 of them. To the extent they affect me or my family, 179 00:10:39,759 --> 00:10:42,519 or my community or my country, then it becomes my 180 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:48,559 problem too, right, And so one of the central features 181 00:10:49,159 --> 00:10:53,360 of the kind of current wave of AI hype is 182 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:59,159 the concept of human replacement, the greater replacement. It's very similar, 183 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,919 I think to the issue of mass immigration. You have 184 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:10,399 this alien swarm coming in to both displace the workers 185 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:16,559 of a nation, to subvert their political power by watering 186 00:11:16,639 --> 00:11:20,240 it down, diluting it by a group that is easily manipulated. 187 00:11:20,639 --> 00:11:23,080 And in the case of the public discourse, the same 188 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:28,279 artificial intelligence fits and the aversion to artificial intelligence, these 189 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:33,840 these alien minds, and the aversion to especially humanoid robots 190 00:11:33,879 --> 00:11:38,720 that weird, creepy feeling you get is very similar to racism. 191 00:11:38,759 --> 00:11:43,120 And you hear these arguments from pro transhumanists. They say 192 00:11:43,519 --> 00:11:50,600 speciesism is racism towards technology, and in a way they're correct. 193 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:55,679 But I am an unapologetic human racist or speciesist, and 194 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,120 even if I don't want to see all the robots 195 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:03,320 rounded up and sent away to you know, space, Not 196 00:12:03,399 --> 00:12:06,480 that I would argue with it, but I think that 197 00:12:07,399 --> 00:12:11,159 there needs to be that suspicion because the people pushing 198 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:15,799 this is the most bizarre sales pitch one could imagine. 199 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:20,600 We are going to solve physics, the theory of everything, 200 00:12:20,799 --> 00:12:24,200 We are going to advance human technology, we are going 201 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:28,399 to become godlike, going to cure cancer, become quasi immortals, 202 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:32,279 and also we're going to replace every human role in 203 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:37,279 society and possibly kill everyone. It's a very strange sales pitch, 204 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,840 but that's what they're going with, from Elon Musk to 205 00:12:41,039 --> 00:12:46,799 Google to Anthropic even like more conservative people like Young Lacun, 206 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:52,840 the chief AI scientists at Meta, they all talk in 207 00:12:52,919 --> 00:12:57,240 terms of creating this artificial general intelligence that will be 208 00:12:57,399 --> 00:13:01,120 smarter than any human being on Earth, may be smarter 209 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,679 than the collective of all human beings on Earth, and 210 00:13:04,759 --> 00:13:07,759 that the creation of this will not only demote humans 211 00:13:07,799 --> 00:13:13,840 on the great chain of being to being either pets 212 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,879 or biofuel or whatever we end up being, to this 213 00:13:17,279 --> 00:13:21,200 being and that you know, descending from the creation of 214 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:24,519 this technology then you already see indications of it with 215 00:13:24,759 --> 00:13:28,759 just the regular old artificial narrow intelligence we have now. 216 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,240 Descending from that, you get the capacity to read the 217 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:36,399 human brain, to manipulate the human brain, to create sophisticated 218 00:13:36,879 --> 00:13:41,000 brain implants that would or even non invasive brain interfaces 219 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:44,879 that would allow us to communicate directly with these alien 220 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:49,159 minds and fuse with them like symbiotes. You have the 221 00:13:49,279 --> 00:13:52,559 capacity like all these humanoid robots you're seeing everywhere. The 222 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:58,480 reason that speed is so fierce is because artificial intelligence 223 00:13:58,519 --> 00:14:02,679 allows for a kind of flow, flexible computing that accelerates 224 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:04,840 the development of it. And so the assumption is that 225 00:14:05,759 --> 00:14:10,320 post agi, the world is flooded with these robots, whether 226 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,919 they're humanoid or any other shape. And then of course 227 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:17,080 the physical manipulation of the body is also accelerated. You 228 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,159 see that with alpha fold and other kind of similar 229 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:25,639 ais that accelerate the process of sequencing the genome, predicting 230 00:14:25,759 --> 00:14:28,720 what any kind of mutation in that genome will do 231 00:14:28,879 --> 00:14:32,519 to the proteins downstream, and then the body downstream. So 232 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:37,080 all of it comes down right like massive transformation number 233 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:42,120 one problem. The greater replacement to me number two is 234 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,440 this you know, just coming from the background I do. 235 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:50,840 You can't escape the sense that, as many of them say, 236 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,919 they are bringing to life the myths of the ancients. 237 00:14:55,559 --> 00:15:00,559 You think Icarus or Tallos, you think the golemn and 238 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,279 you think of any of the science fiction that emerged 239 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,080 from you know, a century plus ago, especially Saint Rossam's 240 00:15:07,159 --> 00:15:10,440 Universal Robots, where the word even comes from. In all 241 00:15:10,519 --> 00:15:14,559 of those that, you know some instinct in the human mind, 242 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:19,559 or you know, some direct insight into the nature of 243 00:15:20,679 --> 00:15:24,200 humanity in the future, whatever the cause, there is this 244 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:28,919 darkness embedded in those myths, in anti human darkness, and 245 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:33,639 I think that to deny that and accept any kind 246 00:15:33,639 --> 00:15:37,600 of utopian point of view would be beyond naive. I 247 00:15:37,679 --> 00:15:41,919 don't think these people who are creating these systems have 248 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:47,039 our best interests in mind ultimately, And so whenever they 249 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,960 start talking about we, as in we humanity are creating 250 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,360 this and this is what it's going to do for 251 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,639 us humanity, I don't hear that. I hear us as 252 00:15:55,639 --> 00:15:59,240 in this small group of people who are either ideologically 253 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:03,679 invested or financially invested, or both in creating artificial intelligence 254 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:10,799 and transforming the civilization civilizations of the world. There may 255 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,320 not be any stopping that. But the more we can 256 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,159 carve out space to preserve what we do hold sacred, 257 00:16:17,399 --> 00:16:18,360 the better off we are. 258 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,559 Speaker 3: This is it, folks, This might just be the cumbination 259 00:16:22,879 --> 00:16:26,279 of my life's work. Join me for the Symbolism Masterclass 260 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,480 this April twenty twenty five. During this course, I'll take 261 00:16:29,519 --> 00:16:32,720 you by the hand into the essentials and depths of 262 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:37,960 symbolic thinking over six weeks and over eighteen hours of 263 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,799 lectures and q and as in a concise and comprehensive way. 264 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,000 I'll teach you everything about how I think, so that 265 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,799 by the end you might see the world anew. This 266 00:16:48,919 --> 00:16:51,879 class will not only be an introduction, but also a 267 00:16:51,919 --> 00:16:54,879 deep dive into a way of seeing that cuts right 268 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:59,600 through our secular dead end. It reconnects the ancient religious 269 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,799 idea with some of the most cutting edge notions of 270 00:17:02,919 --> 00:17:07,279 complexity developed today. As the world is shaking and changing 271 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:11,400 at an increasingly rapid pace, being able to read the 272 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,680 patterns of reality will give you an anchor and a 273 00:17:14,759 --> 00:17:17,240 solid sense of what is up and what is down. 274 00:17:17,599 --> 00:17:20,400 In this class, we will talk about so many things 275 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:26,160 about heaven and earth, the sacred and the secular, the Bible, dragons, demons, fairies, 276 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:31,519 will explore the surprising value of conspiracy theories, how symbolic 277 00:17:31,599 --> 00:17:35,920 patterns are found in movies and science philosophy art. We'll 278 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,400 look at the relationship of symbolism to natural selection. We'll 279 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,640 look at the basic patterns of the world of sacrifice, 280 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,880 of the center, the margin, the masculine, the feminine, the mountain, 281 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,440 time and space, left and right. It will be a 282 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:55,279 synthesis of everything I've covered in the five hundred YouTube 283 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:58,480 videos that put out over the years, and much more 284 00:17:58,559 --> 00:18:02,640 as well, in a structure that has one purpose, which 285 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:06,039 is to make you a master of symbolic thinking. This 286 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,319 is your opportunity to get to the core of what 287 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,960 symbolism is, to ask questions, to test out your ideas, 288 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,440 and to make sure you have a strong foundation of 289 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:18,319 the fundamentals. Plus getting some hidden gems that I have 290 00:18:18,519 --> 00:18:21,759 never shared before. So don't miss out on the live 291 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:26,920 experience and register today. Of course, as usual, patrons at 292 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,799 the involved level or plus get ten percent off indefinitely, 293 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,599 but also if you sign up before April sixth, you 294 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,039 can get fifteen percent off with the Code Master Class 295 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,680 one and so I will see all of you in class, 296 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,160 Tell me what you think about this? 297 00:18:44,319 --> 00:18:45,319 Speaker 2: Is that what I see? 298 00:18:45,319 --> 00:18:47,079 Speaker 3: Because it is in some way it's such a weird 299 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:52,400 contradiction to realize that the AI is promised to us 300 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:56,279 as being the thing that will solve all our problems, 301 00:18:56,799 --> 00:19:00,400 you know, while simultaneously being the thing that will overrun us, 302 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,960 you know. And it's interesting because it is in some 303 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,079 ways it's like an image of sin, or like an 304 00:19:05,079 --> 00:19:08,359 image of the passions themselves, because we deal with that 305 00:19:08,519 --> 00:19:11,039 little on a smaller level all the time. Right, It's 306 00:19:11,039 --> 00:19:14,880 like the person that reach out reaches out for the bottle, 307 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,319 or every time you lie, you have that that double 308 00:19:18,319 --> 00:19:20,440 thing playing in your mind, which is, I'm going to 309 00:19:20,519 --> 00:19:22,759 engage in this behavior because it's going to give me 310 00:19:22,799 --> 00:19:24,920 more power in the moment. It's going to give me 311 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:26,559 something that will. 312 00:19:26,319 --> 00:19:29,319 Speaker 2: Increase my reach. But I also secretly know. 313 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 3: That that thing that I'm putting out in the world 314 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,319 always has the danger of then overwhelming me, like coming 315 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,279 back and eating me. Especially a lie is a good example, right, 316 00:19:39,319 --> 00:19:41,839 It's like when you lie, you kind of secretly know that, Okay, 317 00:19:41,839 --> 00:19:43,839 I'm putting that out there, but I've just put out 318 00:19:43,839 --> 00:19:46,039 something that will maybe devour me later. 319 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 2: In time, and the other thing maybe I want to. 320 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 3: Put out there and hear your answer, is I also 321 00:19:51,799 --> 00:19:55,599 seem to see it as as a playing out the 322 00:19:55,599 --> 00:20:00,480 revolutionary trope in extremists, right, that there's a sense in which, 323 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,880 since we've embarked on this revolutionary pattern, right right, since 324 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:09,079 the French Revolution downstream, there's a pattern in revolution which 325 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,720 is that if I can rise up and take the 326 00:20:12,759 --> 00:20:15,960 power from that which is above me and install myself 327 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,079 in that place, there's almost like a secret thought that 328 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,640 comes into your mind, which is that, oh, that means 329 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,759 that that which serves me at some point has to 330 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,880 rise up and take my place. It's almost like it's 331 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,759 almost like in doing that, in rising up and taking 332 00:20:33,079 --> 00:20:36,480 the power from those that are there, like through force, 333 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,119 I have this sense that, well, that inevily is going 334 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:40,960 to happen to me. And that seems to be inscribed, 335 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,240 you know, in Hessian's Theogony, you know, in the midst 336 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:49,640 of Prometheus. You know, all of these seems to be 337 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,039 inscribed in those stories. So I don't know, when you 338 00:20:52,079 --> 00:20:52,839 think about that. 339 00:20:53,759 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: I think that's beautifully put. Absolutely, it's a very curious thing, 340 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:06,160 this notion of succession, this notion that Richard Sutton, Google 341 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:11,079 AI former Google AI, maybe one of the most articulate 342 00:21:11,319 --> 00:21:17,039 and morbid I would say about this, the idea that 343 00:21:17,079 --> 00:21:21,880 these beings are a new species, a new form of life, 344 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,680 and that we have no choice to it in the 345 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,559 immediate future but to become symbiotic with it, like their 346 00:21:29,599 --> 00:21:35,640 mitochondria or something. But in the long view that they 347 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,279 will inevitably, inevitably become much much smarter than us, which 348 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,119 you know, the sales pitch we're getting right now is 349 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:47,240 by twenty thirty they'll outlive us, and they will ultimately 350 00:21:47,279 --> 00:21:51,440 be kinder and less prone to sin than us, is 351 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,839 this idea, And so what we have to do is 352 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,799 just kind of sit back and relax and let it 353 00:21:57,839 --> 00:22:00,359 all happen. You know, ride the singular air like a 354 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,559 roller coaster that never drops. It goes up and up 355 00:22:02,559 --> 00:22:06,480 and up and up and up. But we eventually the 356 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,200 bars will come off and we'll just fall off, and 357 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,119 then we'll keep going up without us. But we have 358 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,960 to be okay with that. It's this strange mixture within 359 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:20,160 the broader transhumanists and post humanist movement of this like 360 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,759 fierce ego. Like you talk to any transhumanists or hear 361 00:22:23,839 --> 00:22:28,759 them speak, they're usually like really really egotistical people. You know, 362 00:22:28,799 --> 00:22:32,160 there are as many singularities or not singularities in the 363 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,759 future as there are fevered egos predicting them, right, like 364 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:39,920 these guys. And then this notion too, of becoming an immortal, 365 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:45,799 of gaining these godlike powers. That's all obviously ego driven. 366 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,599 And yet for a lot of them, not all of them, 367 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,000 but for a lot of them, there is this notion 368 00:22:51,079 --> 00:22:54,640 of succession, that we're just in a process in which 369 00:22:54,759 --> 00:22:58,640 maybe we will continue on in post human forms, or 370 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:03,160 maybe we don't. Maybe we're doing this selflessly to create 371 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:08,759 a more perfect being, you know, recreating Eden basically in 372 00:23:08,799 --> 00:23:15,640 which lab techs and computer scientists are yahweh and these 373 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,559 machines are Adam and Eve, which was a motif from 374 00:23:19,079 --> 00:23:24,759 Rossam's Universal Robots. And I don't I myself think that 375 00:23:24,839 --> 00:23:28,880 you should never ever take these people at face value, 376 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,279 like any of their predictions, any of their promises, any 377 00:23:32,319 --> 00:23:34,960 of their warnings, not to say they're one hundred percent 378 00:23:35,079 --> 00:23:39,640 not true. But there you look at the history of futurism, 379 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:44,680 no single vision ever captured the future. Usually any science 380 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:49,279 fiction writer or futurists of any sort. Going back to HG. 381 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,640 Wells and going forward, they get certain things right, but 382 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,319 mostly as a whole they don't, some of which the 383 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,559 reason for that sometimes is because they created this vision 384 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,599 and we chose not to go down that path. But so, 385 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,119 you know, looking just to that notion of succession, I 386 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,160 do find those who do hold to that sense. Hugo 387 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,559 de Garis is one of my favorites on this because 388 00:24:14,839 --> 00:24:19,079 he is such a strange, autistic, morbid person that he 389 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,119 doesn't hold back at all, and he talks about the 390 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:26,160 development of these systems. He's godlike artificial intelligent systems, or 391 00:24:26,319 --> 00:24:28,960 he calls them art elects. It's kind of corny boomer 392 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:34,200 words mush, but this, you know, for him, he's just 393 00:24:34,279 --> 00:24:38,599 open about it. This is a religion. We are creating 394 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,599 what all religions dreamt of. God's well, they didn't exist. 395 00:24:42,839 --> 00:24:46,160 We will make them exist, and most likely it will 396 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,559 yield giga death, the destruction of most or maybe even 397 00:24:50,599 --> 00:24:54,960 all humans. But ultimately it has to happen because the 398 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:59,279 only thing worth living for is to create godlike artificial 399 00:24:59,279 --> 00:25:05,559 intelligences and terror form the entire cosmos with intelligence and computronium, 400 00:25:06,039 --> 00:25:08,960 and it's you know, he is a good example of 401 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:13,279 a real just a dogged egotist, but his vision is 402 00:25:13,319 --> 00:25:18,000 one of just total selflessness, total self annihilation. It's very weird, 403 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:23,079 it's very off putting. And even if Mark Zuckerberg doesn't 404 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,240 believe exactly this, or Elon Musk doesn't believe exactly this, 405 00:25:27,279 --> 00:25:31,640 it is this sort of thinking is the primary foundation 406 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,799 for the actions of the wealthiest men on the planet 407 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,640 that are supported by the most powerful governments on the planet. 408 00:25:40,279 --> 00:25:44,839 And we are in many ways at the mercy of lunatics. 409 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,160 But you know, hey, what else is new? 410 00:25:49,079 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 3: So the again to play to play the devil's advocate, 411 00:25:53,319 --> 00:25:56,279 but also to kind of, you know, bring about what 412 00:25:56,319 --> 00:25:59,720 I've been saying is sometimes I try to explain the 413 00:25:59,759 --> 00:26:03,680 idea that there's a principality that is running this thing 414 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,920 or that in fact, because people are everybody's wondering whether 415 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,920 or not there is such a thing as artificial consciousness, 416 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,920 you know, or whether or not these these machines are 417 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,920 going to be conscious, and whether or not they're going 418 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,359 to have will and intent. And my take is usually 419 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,559 to pull back one step and say, we can already 420 00:26:20,599 --> 00:26:23,000 see will and intent. It's not in the machine. 421 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 2: Itself. 422 00:26:23,519 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 3: It's in the very arms race that is bringing it about, 423 00:26:27,079 --> 00:26:29,599 because you know, it is wild to think that we're 424 00:26:29,599 --> 00:26:32,920 following people that are predicting our downfall and. 425 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,319 Speaker 2: Just kind of doing it as if this is a 426 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:36,200 normal thing to do. 427 00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:39,559 Speaker 3: But in that space, so that's what I see. I 428 00:26:40,079 --> 00:26:42,519 see like a will that is bringing this about. That's 429 00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:45,680 kind of bringing this body, uh, you know, to fruition. 430 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,000 But there is in that strain there is also the 431 00:26:49,079 --> 00:26:52,160 reality which is that it doesn't depend on any of 432 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,640 those people. And so and there is that reality which 433 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,200 is can be a cynical take, but is nonetheless true 434 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,039 that if we don't do it, someone else will, Like 435 00:27:01,079 --> 00:27:04,599 if we don't do this, then China will. And which 436 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,000 one would you rather have? Would you rather have the 437 00:27:07,079 --> 00:27:09,079 American AI or the Chinese AI? 438 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 2: And so how do you see. 439 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,559 Speaker 1: All of that? It's the hardest question is the question 440 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:19,680 of competition, international competition or even within our own country. Right, 441 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:24,880 if Harris and Walls had won, aside from having transgender 442 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,599 children everywhere and stoked, stoking racial animosity and empowering it, 443 00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:35,559 you would have had the open Aiyes, Microsoft Googles, they 444 00:27:35,599 --> 00:27:38,119 would have had the favor of the administration, it would 445 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,119 have been a kind of rainbow colored singularity, so to speak. 446 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,720 Instead we get the red, white and blue singularity. Now, 447 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,960 I should be clear too, by the way, I'm not 448 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:53,680 a singularitarian. I get it, I understand it. I don't metaphorically. 449 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,759 I think in a sense we are in a verter 450 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,720 VINGI version of it seeing that take place. But the anyway, 451 00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:03,519 just to say that, I'm being kind of half joking 452 00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:05,440 when I say it. But instead we get this red, 453 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,960 white and blue singularity. Right, we get Musk at the 454 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,359 forefront of it, or we get the same tech overlords, 455 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,640 but they are at least they've been brought to heel 456 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,559 to some extent, they have to pay homage to Trump 457 00:28:16,839 --> 00:28:20,079 and therefore to America, who by and large they seem 458 00:28:20,079 --> 00:28:24,359 to be very condescending towards. Or then on outside of that, 459 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,359 you have China, right, and China has been this perpetual 460 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:31,480 specter driving American acceleration. Even a kind of liberal like 461 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,200 Eric Schmidt is always talking about how it has it 462 00:28:35,319 --> 00:28:39,039 needs to be an American AI revolution, not a Chinese one. Well, 463 00:28:39,519 --> 00:28:43,440 China has always been nipping at our heels, so to speak. 464 00:28:43,519 --> 00:28:45,680 You know, I say, hour, I'm not making this stuff 465 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,799 America's heels and China. Yes, they have actually done some 466 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,880 impressive things. Deep Seek R one was more efficient, but 467 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,000 they probably lied about how much compute they used to 468 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,359 create it. They probably lied about how much money they 469 00:28:59,359 --> 00:29:02,720 poured in, and all these statements that you know that 470 00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:06,440 its capacities are better than open aiyes, or even you 471 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,799 know Xai's products. Not really this is leaner. But just 472 00:29:10,839 --> 00:29:13,680 all this is to say that China is only keeping 473 00:29:13,759 --> 00:29:16,519 up with us, and because of all of the technology 474 00:29:16,519 --> 00:29:20,079 transfer and IP theft, mostly most of what they do 475 00:29:20,119 --> 00:29:23,000 is derivative of us. So like we're creating it, they're 476 00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:26,240 copying it. And so this arms race is entirely centered 477 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,839 in America, right, Like we're just we're at the forefront 478 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,119 of it, and we're basically, you know, through diffusion, spreading 479 00:29:34,119 --> 00:29:36,160 it around the planet with a few exceptions, with a 480 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,839 few systems and a few techniques. So you know, you know, 481 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,119 you don't want communists China to develop GODI like AI 482 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:49,359 and start telling us what to do. But ultimately it 483 00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:52,640 is an American thing. It's an American issue, so therefore 484 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:57,440 it's an American responsibility. And I think what I would 485 00:29:57,519 --> 00:29:59,799 like to see. Okay, maybe there is no stopping it, right, 486 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,680 Maybe genies out of the bottle, so to speak, you know, 487 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:07,640 cows out of the barn ship, dune sailed. Okay, If 488 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,359 that's the case, at the very least, what we need 489 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,960 is leadership that is always talking about it in terms 490 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:20,160 of defending human dignity, defending human freedom, and defending humanity 491 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:24,240 in general from this. And that's not what we're getting 492 00:30:24,279 --> 00:30:27,960 from Trump and Vance at all. They are either naive 493 00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:32,200 or something else. But that's not what we're getting, and 494 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,279 that's at the very least what we want now. Ultimately, 495 00:30:35,319 --> 00:30:38,599 I think what I'd like to see would be some 496 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,440 sort of kind of global awakening around this, not to 497 00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:49,279 lead to some Kazinskyite violent revolution, but absolutely to if 498 00:30:49,319 --> 00:30:52,799 you have most people on the planet who understand that 499 00:30:53,079 --> 00:30:56,480 whatever gets spit out, whatever deformed being is spit out 500 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,119 the other end of this process, that it is not 501 00:30:59,319 --> 00:31:04,039 necessarily your friend, right and to the extent it's not conscious, 502 00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:07,359 and it's just a mechanism. It's not anybody's friends. It's 503 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:12,519 this bizarre, soulless gollumn and that needs to be, in 504 00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:15,680 my opinion, at the forefront of everyone's minds. As we 505 00:31:16,039 --> 00:31:19,720 undergo this, because you know, reality is that ship has 506 00:31:20,079 --> 00:31:24,720 sailed and is sailing faster and faster, and stopping it 507 00:31:24,839 --> 00:31:29,279 is probably an unrealistic option, and so surviving it, living 508 00:31:29,359 --> 00:31:32,960 with it, without succumbing, without losing our own souls, without 509 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,720 losing our own dignity, has to be a top priority. 510 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,039 And it's not going to happen if you know, the 511 00:31:38,079 --> 00:31:42,279 top leadership is allowing Elon Musk to drive the kind 512 00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:46,599 of mythical vision of the world or of the country. 513 00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:50,480 And yeah, so it's it's the competition thing is very difficult, 514 00:31:50,559 --> 00:31:53,799 especially in regard to warfare, because if it is true 515 00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:58,759 that advanced artificial intelligence will dominate the battlefields, drone swarms 516 00:31:58,799 --> 00:32:01,799 and AI guided missiles that you know, spend a bazillion 517 00:32:01,799 --> 00:32:05,640 different directions and find their target, you know, nuclear armaments 518 00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:09,920 that both the detection systems and the retaliatory strikes are 519 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,160 under the control of artifical artificial intelligence. If it turns 520 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,200 out that that's where we're heading, then yeah, you don't 521 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:17,960 want China to be at the forefront. You don't want 522 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,799 Russia to be at the poor front. Do you want 523 00:32:19,799 --> 00:32:21,960 American Israel to be at the forefront? I mean if 524 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,480 you're an American or in Israeli, you know, maybe, but 525 00:32:25,599 --> 00:32:29,759 I again, who knows what the future holds. Who knows 526 00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:32,720 if it turned you know, if in the future these 527 00:32:32,839 --> 00:32:36,640 sort of automated armies really are superior to well trained, 528 00:32:36,839 --> 00:32:42,200 well coordinated, technologically enhanced but not totally robotic human beings. 529 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,839 Who knows, you know, we'll find out that. To me, 530 00:32:45,119 --> 00:32:48,279 the really important thing is it's not about like who's 531 00:32:48,319 --> 00:32:52,400 gonna win, because it's very clear who's gonna win. Billionaires 532 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:57,519 and the machines at their behest. What needs to be done, 533 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,880 to me is just a kind of fundamental shift in 534 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,680 the general attitude of the populace so that they are 535 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,640 not looking to these people for salvation, nor are they 536 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,920 trembling in fear at the possibility that they're going to 537 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,519 wreak destruction on all of us. But to try your best, 538 00:33:15,559 --> 00:33:18,599 with a kind of dark background to your world, as 539 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,200 humanity has done throughout history, to try to be that 540 00:33:22,359 --> 00:33:26,720 brave Hebrew in the desert with Egypt at your heels. 541 00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:32,039 To be that brave Christian under nero you know, or 542 00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:35,559 you ain't gonna like this one, But to be a 543 00:33:35,839 --> 00:33:42,599 Cathar under the Orthodox Church understand that you're not going 544 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,720 to be in alignment with the powers and principalities, but 545 00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:49,799 you will be able to live out a life of 546 00:33:49,839 --> 00:33:53,640 dignity and your soul is going to go on anyway. 547 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,759 But perhaps even out down here on earth, your children 548 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,039 or your mind children will also survive. But you know, 549 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,880 I've never been one for good pep talks. I'm trying, 550 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,359 and it's good. 551 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 2: It's good, it's good. 552 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,800 Speaker 3: So so the the difficulty is, I guess I'm gonna 553 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,840 have to I will dampen your pep talk, you know. 554 00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:15,960 So one of the issues, of course with technology is 555 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,920 that you know, nobody ultimately will ends up owning it. 556 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,280 That is, as soon as the power is there, then 557 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,239 the power is available to whoever has the capacity to 558 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,440 wield it, you know. And that's that's one of the 559 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,679 biggest issues with technology ever. And it's also true of AI. 560 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:37,039 And so you know, we saw already not that long 561 00:34:37,079 --> 00:34:44,199 ago in COVID what the fusion of tech and corporate 562 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:49,239 interest and attention and uh, you know, power, how that 563 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,480 comes together. And like, at least here in Canada, one 564 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,159 of the things that we did see is that the 565 00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:59,119 only reason why their desire to create absolute control through 566 00:34:59,159 --> 00:35:00,880 digital identity and digital. 567 00:35:00,639 --> 00:35:02,679 Speaker 2: Passports and all this stuff. The only reason why it 568 00:35:02,679 --> 00:35:03,679 failed is because they're. 569 00:35:03,519 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 3: The government and they suck it at their inefficient like 570 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,400 they're completely inefficient and they're corrupt, and therefore, because of 571 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,960 that reason, they were never really able to instigate the 572 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,400 system of control that they were trying to put into place. 573 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,559 It's funny because now, like the app that they used, 574 00:35:21,639 --> 00:35:23,880 you know to kind of kind of control everybody during 575 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,639 the it still exists and when you go to the airport, 576 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,519 like nobody even wants to use it, Like you can 577 00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:31,559 see there's like a line for people that have used 578 00:35:31,559 --> 00:35:33,280 the app, but nobody wants to use it. But what 579 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,199 I'm what I'm saying is that as this technology becomes 580 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:40,079 more and more powerful, you know maybe now with with 581 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,039 Trump and power, maybe we won't have that, but maybe 582 00:35:43,519 --> 00:35:46,960 not just maybe certainly you know in the next four, 583 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,679 if not eight years, then things swing and then we 584 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,760 get another another you know, way of thinking that has 585 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,000 the same power that it has all the efficiency that 586 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,039 Elon must brought to the government. Now at it like 587 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:02,679 under its in its hand. 588 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you know that point in particular, you build 589 00:36:09,079 --> 00:36:12,239 a machine, it's not assured that you're going to be 590 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,679 the one piloting it. In the future, someone else can 591 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,639 get control of it. And now you saw that after 592 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,559 nine to eleven. You know, it could be argued that 593 00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:24,559 there was a kind of uniparty that the Patriot Act 594 00:36:24,559 --> 00:36:26,599 and mass surveillance and all that was a uniparty effort, 595 00:36:26,599 --> 00:36:29,639 and that's true, but it was you know, I'm not 596 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,440 one to say that it's like one single cabal. You know, 597 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,119 it's a lot of different cabals. So and you did 598 00:36:35,159 --> 00:36:38,840 see that shift in power, you're now seeing it with Trump. 599 00:36:40,519 --> 00:36:44,480 You had it was very strange the whole twenty twenty. 600 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,639 I know this is going on YouTube, but be very 601 00:36:46,679 --> 00:36:51,079 careful with my words. But the so called Great Reset, right, 602 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:57,719 you know, Klaus Schwab World Economic Forum chairman described twenty 603 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,639 sixteen the fourth Industrial Revolution, which is basically like cheap 604 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:08,639 corporate pamphlet version of transhumanism, right, the fusion of our physical, digital, 605 00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:13,199 and biological identities, and you know, so it was very strange. 606 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,119 Then you had the Great Reset basically arguing that this 607 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,480 is a narrow window of opportunity to in essence, either 608 00:37:21,639 --> 00:37:25,320 entice or force people to adopt all these technologies we 609 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,119 would have never wanted to to begin with digital identity, 610 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:37,599 mass surveillance, contact tracing, forced medication. And it's very weird. 611 00:37:38,119 --> 00:37:41,360 You know, I've been joking lately because you had all 612 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,400 these voices rising up not just against leftism or globalism 613 00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:49,960 or socialism, but the evil transhumanists. At the World Economic Forum, 614 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,960 it was this constant I don't know what you would 615 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,119 call it. It was kind of a slogan of sorts, 616 00:37:57,119 --> 00:38:00,960 certainly a smear, and it was It's very weird because 617 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:05,280 you know the difference between evil transhumanism and good American 618 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,360 technology so far as I can tell us about six months. 619 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,840 You know, you all the same people who talked about 620 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:20,559 it in terms of abstract either moral or pragmatic dangers 621 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,239 of this, you know, fusion of human beings with artificial 622 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,159 intelligence and the brain chips and the you know, genetic 623 00:38:27,199 --> 00:38:31,039 engineering and the robots and all this, and like not 624 00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:34,159 everybody has jumped on board, but like, without calling out 625 00:38:34,159 --> 00:38:36,800 all the names, a lot of people suddenly it's like, 626 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,000 oh no, this is Elon Musk is in control of it. 627 00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:43,280 Trump will make sure that nothing bad happens. Like, dude, 628 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,320 do you not remember twenty twenty he's not gonna He's 629 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,960 not magic, you know, and if he is, it's not 630 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,119 necessarily white magic, so you can't trust that. It's it's 631 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,800 very very strange. I feel like I've kind of riffed 632 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,880 myself into a corner here. I'm not really sure where 633 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,440 I was going other than to say that, you know, 634 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:00,559 I but I think what. 635 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 3: You're trying to suggest is that there it feels sometimes 636 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,360 that a trick has been pulled on us, that we've 637 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,920 that we've had a trick, We've had this. The people 638 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,920 that were against all of the transhuman tropes in culture 639 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:19,119 have now because their political allies seem to be embracing 640 00:39:19,639 --> 00:39:22,960 ultimately exactly the same tech and exactly the same vision, 641 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:23,760 have now come on. 642 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,599 Speaker 2: Board in a very odd way. 643 00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:27,280 Speaker 1: You know. It's you know. 644 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,679 Speaker 3: That that the person that would that complained that COVID 645 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:36,440 was was about, you know, uh, digital identity, and you know, 646 00:39:36,519 --> 00:39:39,679 the the idea of of fusing humans, like making them 647 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,119 kind of cyborg type creatures, are now embracing someone who 648 00:39:43,159 --> 00:39:45,880 wants to put chips in your brain, and and so 649 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:46,280 it is. 650 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: I agree. 651 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,360 Speaker 2: I I don't totally. 652 00:39:48,039 --> 00:39:51,639 Speaker 3: Understand what it is that happened, and how how it's happening. 653 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:56,079 Speaker 1: And just on that note, with Musk at scale, people 654 00:39:56,079 --> 00:39:57,840 are always like, oh, he just wants to heal people. 655 00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,519 He wants to, you know, make the lame walk and 656 00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:03,280 the blind. See, yeah, he does want that, but he's 657 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:08,079 very open that the kind of transhumanist formula of from 658 00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:11,599 healing to enhancement is the goal. And in his discussion 659 00:40:11,679 --> 00:40:14,800 with bb net and Yahoo there's a spring I'm sorry 660 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,239 this is September of twenty twenty three, and he's repeated 661 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,840 it elsewhere. You know, he's like, yeah, if one hundred 662 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,239 million or billions of people, if hundreds of millions or 663 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,760 billions of people got a direct brain interface to their 664 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,239 AI tertiary self, that would be better for the world. 665 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,159 That's not about healing. Like you know, this vision is 666 00:40:36,679 --> 00:40:41,320 abhorrent at best and stupid at worse. Like, who's to 667 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,599 say that it'll even work, Like if you have the 668 00:40:44,679 --> 00:40:47,880 popula this is this is one of my biggest nightmares. Right. 669 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,599 It's not that the Singularity will hit and suddenly the 670 00:40:50,639 --> 00:40:53,159 machines will take control and we'll just be riding along. 671 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:58,480 My biggest fear is that, like so many other technical 672 00:40:58,519 --> 00:41:03,199 advancements in human hit history, the downsides are tremendous, and 673 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,719 oftentimes the upsides really aren't there, and oftentimes it's just 674 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:12,719 it's stupid. It's like, really really stupid. The rollout of television, 675 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,559 for instance. I mean, yeah, I know it's great, I 676 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,400 like TV and all, but I mean not really. But 677 00:41:18,119 --> 00:41:20,159 to me, it can't be denied that that ended up 678 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,639 turning an entire generation, or a huge portion of an 679 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,880 entire generation into cash potatoes. The advent of junk food 680 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:32,039 that represented technical progress, oxyconton. That was technical progress, but 681 00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:34,440 what did it do? And so in the same way 682 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,840 with artificial intelligence and the mythos around it, the mythos 683 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:43,079 that you every dream you had of becoming something in society, 684 00:41:43,159 --> 00:41:46,079 some vocation that you are passionate about, whether it's an 685 00:41:46,159 --> 00:41:49,840 artist or an artist son, whether it's a machinist, whether 686 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:54,519 it's a programmer, that that is futile. Soon the machines 687 00:41:54,559 --> 00:41:57,639 will do it for you. And so you've demoralized an 688 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,119 entire generation and told them that they can look forward 689 00:42:01,159 --> 00:42:05,320 to basically being pets to the machines or to billionaires 690 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:10,039 with machines. Okay, if that actually comes true, nightmare. But 691 00:42:10,119 --> 00:42:13,679 if it doesn't come true, then you've enfeebled this generation. 692 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:18,000 They did not hit the ground running, and so that 693 00:42:18,159 --> 00:42:20,920 is even worse to me. Right, Like you never get 694 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,480 the god like Ai, you never get the superpower brainship. 695 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,920 All you get is, you know, a fluffy dream and 696 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,159 a whole lot of atrophied human beings. That's the real nightmare. 697 00:42:31,159 --> 00:42:33,280 And that's what I hope can be countered and it 698 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,000 can be I really do believe that. 699 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,039 Speaker 3: Hello everyone, I'm here to invite you to the Orthodox 700 00:42:39,199 --> 00:42:43,199 Arts Festival. Richard and I are going to come down 701 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,360 to Dallas. It is on the first weekend of May. 702 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,360 It is going to be an absolute blast. I will 703 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,000 be giving a keynote. I'll be also participate in a 704 00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:55,000 q and A. Richard will be speaking. I've heard that 705 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,079 Justin Marler of Death to the World Fame will be 706 00:42:58,199 --> 00:43:00,559 there talking about Death of the World, world things and 707 00:43:00,559 --> 00:43:01,719 who else Richard. 708 00:43:02,119 --> 00:43:05,039 Speaker 1: He'll be talking with Bishop Garazm. 709 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:06,079 Speaker 2: That's amazing. 710 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:11,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so so like that'll be super cool. Yeah, 711 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,239 the uh it's it's a festival, there are there's going 712 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,519 to be a lot of I'm going to be there 713 00:43:16,519 --> 00:43:19,320 speaking about writing fiction as an Orthodox Christian. We're going 714 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,280 to have a concert from the Saint Casini Corral, which 715 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,000 is sort of our local DFW area in North Texas 716 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,800 Pan Orthodox Choir. We're going to have there's going to 717 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,440 be food, there's going to be dance, it's going to 718 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,559 be just a really incredible three days. So it is 719 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,639 it's the first weekend in May, so the second through. 720 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,320 Speaker 1: The fourth, and you should come. 721 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:40,039 Speaker 2: Where is it? 722 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good that's a good question to ask. 723 00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,880 It's at Saints Constantine and Helen Orthodox Church, Antiochian Orthodox 724 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,400 Church in Carrollton, Texas, so North Dallas area. 725 00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:54,079 Speaker 2: And so I mean, so all the artists. 726 00:43:54,119 --> 00:43:57,519 Speaker 3: If you are interested in Orthodoxy and culture, interested in 727 00:43:57,639 --> 00:44:03,000 either liturgical art or how Orthodox thinking, how the Orthodox 728 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,159 symbolism can also be applied to other aspects of culture, 729 00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,199 this is the place to come. You know, we're hoping 730 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,039 for a lot of wonderful, intelligent people to be there, 731 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,440 so it won't just be us giving conferences, but will 732 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,960 be around. We'll be involved in the conversation, you know, 733 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:19,920 we'll be hanging out with everybody, and we hope that 734 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:20,360 a lot. 735 00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:21,559 Speaker 2: Of fruitful things will come out of this. 736 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,880 Speaker 4: And there will be also children's activities on some of 737 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,280 the days, so you can look at the website for that. 738 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:33,199 It's Orthodox Arts Festival DFW dot com. 739 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,960 Speaker 3: All right, Orthodox Arts Festival DFW dot com. Everyone, We 740 00:44:37,039 --> 00:44:40,800 cannot wait to see you there, see you there, all right, Ma, 741 00:44:41,039 --> 00:44:42,559 this is gonna be my last question. It's going to 742 00:44:42,639 --> 00:44:44,400 be the wildest one and the one that I also 743 00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:47,480 and still kind of figuring out. You know, one of 744 00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:49,639 the things that hit me the most in the past 745 00:44:49,639 --> 00:44:52,119 few months is, you know, around the time of the inauguration, 746 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:58,400 when Trump's there with Altman and Ellison and I forget 747 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:04,079 the other one, uh, and he announced Project Stargate, and 748 00:45:04,159 --> 00:45:07,440 I couldn't believe that they were naming this AI infrastructure 749 00:45:07,559 --> 00:45:10,519 project project Stargate. And so I don't know, I mean, 750 00:45:10,559 --> 00:45:12,320 what's your insight? What the hell are they doing? 751 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:12,760 Speaker 1: Why? 752 00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:16,920 Speaker 3: Like, there is a kind of conspiracy theory mythology about 753 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:21,880 the connection, you know, between the CIA's Remote Being project, 754 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,719 the AI stuff, the UFOs UAP stuff, all of this 755 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,320 is there. It's kind of bubbling around in the conspiracy space. 756 00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:32,239 And here they are naming this this infrastructure project Stargate. 757 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:32,960 Speaker 2: What are they doing? 758 00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,960 Speaker 1: You know, as one of many They're playing with fire, 759 00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:47,880 both temporal and eternal. So the I met someone who anyway, 760 00:45:48,159 --> 00:45:51,760 I'm gonna leave that aside. Stargate conceptually speaking, you know, 761 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:57,199 you've got three different zones. You've got the Stargate project, right, 762 00:45:57,559 --> 00:46:01,519 Larry Ellison of Oracle, Sam Altman of open Ai, and 763 00:46:01,559 --> 00:46:06,320 Masi Masa Yoshi san of soft Bank, all three of 764 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:11,079 which say they believe that artificial general and then artificial 765 00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:14,039 superintelligence is just around the corner, and they are going 766 00:46:14,079 --> 00:46:16,519 to be the ones to build it. Digital gods, right, 767 00:46:16,679 --> 00:46:18,599 some of the wealthiest, most powerful men on the earth 768 00:46:18,599 --> 00:46:21,679 building digital gods. And you've got Larry Elson, who you know, 769 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,599 Oracle has its origins with the CIA, many contracts with 770 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:31,119 the CIA now and Ellison openly saying in a I 771 00:46:31,199 --> 00:46:33,519 think it was in an analyst or it was some 772 00:46:33,519 --> 00:46:37,840 sort of Oracle financial meeting last fall, and then more 773 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:42,199 recently in Dubai and other venues, saying in essence that 774 00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,960 one of the good things about artificial intelligence is mass 775 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:50,360 surveillance that you would be able to rake in You're 776 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,639 already sucking in all this data. It would give you 777 00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:55,960 the capacity to make sense of it for the purpose 778 00:46:56,079 --> 00:47:01,119 of making people behave better again the role of God. Traditionally, 779 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,559 except for this is much more tangible and comes with 780 00:47:04,599 --> 00:47:11,079 a subscription plan, and didn't you know. I think probably 781 00:47:11,079 --> 00:47:13,239 one of the more disturbing elements too, is that the 782 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,079 megalo mania of it. So Ellison recently was talking about how, 783 00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,800 you know, ideally you would have one centralized hub for 784 00:47:21,159 --> 00:47:25,199 an AI or AI's where all the data in America 785 00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,559 would be centralized, so that you could of course cure 786 00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:33,360 cancer and make everything better, but also ultimately you're talking 787 00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,559 about building a kind of mind of God on earth. 788 00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:40,039 This is classic, Like when you think of AI agents, 789 00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:43,599 you should think of intelligence agents as in spooks, as 790 00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:46,559 in you know some It should always feel whenever there's 791 00:47:46,599 --> 00:47:48,880 a device around, it should always feel like there's some weird, 792 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,639 pale dude sitting in the chair next to you, watching 793 00:47:51,679 --> 00:47:54,039 you and taking notes. You know, you hit the bathroom, 794 00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,000 you hit the bedroom, this guy's like he's behind you 795 00:47:57,039 --> 00:47:59,440 every step of the way. It should always feel like 796 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,639 that in the back of your head. He should always 797 00:48:01,679 --> 00:48:05,000 be in your mind. So that's what they're talking about. 798 00:48:05,119 --> 00:48:08,239 What's how does that relate to the Project Stargate right 799 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,719 of the the remote viewing program, the end. 800 00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,840 Speaker 3: The movie, the TV series, Like it's just these. 801 00:48:12,679 --> 00:48:17,280 Speaker 1: All these, How does it relate? I mean, what was 802 00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:21,119 the purpose of those remote viewing programs to take human beings, 803 00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:26,880 you know, capitalize on or exploit their psychic powers, purported 804 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,960 psychic powers, so they could spy at a distance on adversaries, 805 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,679 so that you would have this superhuman ability or or 806 00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,840 a human ability that most people don't have, to see 807 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,719 things that you're not supposed to see and invade the 808 00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,320 privacy of others that you're not necessarily supposed to, whether 809 00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:49,000 it's a you know, a nuclear arsenal, the stockpile, or 810 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,960 you know, Vladimir Putin sitting on the toilet, whatever it is, 811 00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,159 and so, like, you know, conceptually speaking, it's basically the 812 00:48:56,199 --> 00:48:58,320 same thing. You go back, just real quick. I'll tie 813 00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:02,239 this up real quick. You know, the Stargate conspiracy and 814 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,760 then the Stargate film, right. I saw your talk on this, 815 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,159 by the way, and I agree Stargate the film was 816 00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,480 really cheesy, although when Raw finally does emerge, it is 817 00:49:11,559 --> 00:49:16,840 kind of creepy. But this notion of these portals to 818 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:22,760 other worlds, alien worlds, and you are bringing aliens who 819 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:27,920 we call gods into the earthly realm, you know, it 820 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,119 kind of it fits all of those because they always 821 00:49:31,159 --> 00:49:33,719 talk about this in terms of like an alien intelligence, 822 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:39,239 and it is ultimately an alien intelligence, and now you've 823 00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:40,920 got the Ellisons of the world and the Musk of 824 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,400 the world and so on and so forth. They're not 825 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,639 talking about it as like an alien intelligence. You're gonna, 826 00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,400 you know, jerk out of his flying saucer and turn 827 00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,840 him into a slave. I mean some do, but more 828 00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,159 and more they're talking about like you're gonna you're gonna 829 00:49:52,159 --> 00:49:55,159 bring that flying saucer down and you're gonna beg for 830 00:49:55,239 --> 00:50:00,039 your life. And again, the weirdest sales pitch ever, I 831 00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:03,119 can't even believe this is you know, people haven't already 832 00:50:03,199 --> 00:50:05,840 risen up and said no, no, enough is enough. But 833 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,239 you know, I guess one of the great things about 834 00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,639 being in control of the technological surveillance apparatus is you 835 00:50:12,679 --> 00:50:15,280 always know what people are thinking, you know, at least 836 00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,280 in the aggregate, and so it's pretty easy to tailor 837 00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,480 your your rhetoric and your behavior to that psychological profile. 838 00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:25,119 It must be really invigorating. It must be very easy 839 00:50:25,159 --> 00:50:27,360 to sleep at night when you think you know what 840 00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:28,360 everybody's thinking. 841 00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:33,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, but man, I get it, though, Like the how 842 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,519 can I say this, like, I just I mean, I've 843 00:50:35,519 --> 00:50:38,039 been trying out groc three, you know, for the past 844 00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:40,840 few days since it's been out, and my goodness, Like, 845 00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:45,079 it's hard not to be fascinated, because it is it 846 00:50:45,079 --> 00:50:47,239 does feel like you're it does feel like all of 847 00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,639 a sudden, you're like a like a magician with all 848 00:50:49,679 --> 00:50:52,920 these powers. Like it it is like giving you these 849 00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,039 things on the tips of your fingers that you know, 850 00:50:55,119 --> 00:50:57,840 as a as a as someone like a nineteen year 851 00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,199 old person in college, like you had to work for 852 00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,079 entire weeks just to touch, you know. And so there 853 00:51:04,159 --> 00:51:07,719 is this like weird fascination that is hard to deny 854 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,480 even though I obviously obviously I agree with everything you said, 855 00:51:10,519 --> 00:51:12,400 and you know that I agree with that, but I'm 856 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,079 trying to obviously always trying to kind of understand what's happening. 857 00:51:15,079 --> 00:51:17,880 Speaker 2: But I you know, I can see how it really 858 00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:18,760 is in some ways. 859 00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:20,840 Speaker 3: You know, it isn't someone the image of sin or 860 00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,119 the image of the magician's nephew, which is you know, 861 00:51:24,159 --> 00:51:28,400 it's this capacity we have to to trade immediate power, 862 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,159 you know, and discount the future and to like and 863 00:51:32,199 --> 00:51:33,960 to not want to look at what it's going to do. 864 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,239 It's like it's like when you're you're having that fourth 865 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,440 drink or whatever, and you're like it's like all now 866 00:51:39,559 --> 00:51:41,599 and nothing tomorrow, Like I don't want to think about 867 00:51:41,679 --> 00:51:44,280 how I'm going to wake up tomorrow morning. It's just 868 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,000 it's just like this is real, Like this is happening, 869 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:48,760 and he's giving me this power now. 870 00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,320 Speaker 2: So you know, so I kind of get why. 871 00:51:51,159 --> 00:51:55,639 Speaker 3: People are just just moving blindly into this because it 872 00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:56,679 is doing things. 873 00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,360 Speaker 1: You know, the greatest power the AI offers the average 874 00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:04,360 man is to become one dead battery away from being 875 00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:11,760 a moro. On does to outsource that, outsource all of 876 00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,480 it completely. Yeah, just you're nothing but a host to 877 00:52:15,559 --> 00:52:22,559 the algorithmic paraside. It's great the future man, I myself, Look, 878 00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:27,440 we're on the same wavelength on this that it's really 879 00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,800 important to preserve the body and the mind, the brain. 880 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:36,079 But what this really, what we're really seeing unfold is 881 00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:40,320 you know, the reality of divinity is the ultimate. All 882 00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,360 of this is going to fall away. This is ultimately 883 00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,320 an illusion because it's not going to last. It will 884 00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:48,400 be as if these bodies didn't exist. The most important 885 00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:53,000 is the divine and all of the powers and intelligences 886 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:57,400 that descend from the divine and this physical world is 887 00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,000 just kind of now, I don't want to get too 888 00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,480 far out and assuming how you think about this, but 889 00:53:01,639 --> 00:53:05,480 this physical world is a manifestation of far more pristine 890 00:53:05,519 --> 00:53:09,639 and beautiful forms and it gives that's why it's so beautiful. 891 00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:12,519 But it's physical, and so it rots, and it smells weird, 892 00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,719 and so it's you know, there's a downside to it. 893 00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:20,239 But what we see with the creation of humanoids, of 894 00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:25,239 these alien intelligences and in a more i guess visceral sense, 895 00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:30,119 like with the creation of right now phenotypically modified humans, 896 00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:33,559 but maybe in the near future actual genetically modified humans 897 00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:39,440 at scale, what we're seeing is kind of weird black 898 00:53:39,519 --> 00:53:43,440 mirror of a weird reflection of those divine forms that 899 00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,840 you know. Right now, it's like we look down into Grock, 900 00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:48,960 we look into the eyes of groc which is basically, 901 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,719 you know, a soulless black mirror in our hand, and 902 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,920 we see our cells reflected in it, humanity as a whole, 903 00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,119 or least big portions of it, and it has the 904 00:54:01,159 --> 00:54:06,199 feel of something because it is immaterial and immaterial intelligence. 905 00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,239 But what I see is just in the same way 906 00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,960 that you know, I don't want to again, I'm not 907 00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:18,000 a hard Neoplatonist or anything. But in the same way 908 00:54:18,039 --> 00:54:21,519 that these forms have become instantiated in the physical, here 909 00:54:22,119 --> 00:54:27,960 they're being driven ever deeper. These intelligences are basically becoming 910 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,440 ever more material now in data centers and in silicon 911 00:54:31,519 --> 00:54:36,599 and electrons flying around in them. And it is ultimately, 912 00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:41,320 if I can leave you with this, I think obvious 913 00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:47,000 anti christ material, right, this is you know, if you 914 00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,320 look at the root of Antichrist, yes, against Christ, but 915 00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,880 also in place of Christ. And what this is is 916 00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:58,199 a material replica of everything Christ is supposed to be. 917 00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:05,199 Infinite knowledge, infinite wisdom, healing, even kindness and compassion, ultimate unity, 918 00:55:05,519 --> 00:55:07,599 all these sorts of things, or at least you know, 919 00:55:07,639 --> 00:55:11,159 depending on your denomination, unity of many, and the burning 920 00:55:11,199 --> 00:55:13,719 of the rest, which is kind of what this feels like, 921 00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:18,960 this new Antichrist version of it. And I think that again, 922 00:55:19,079 --> 00:55:24,159 like it's who knows how powerful it'll get, who knows 923 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:28,480 how real these predictions will actually be in the physical world. 924 00:55:29,039 --> 00:55:34,119 But so long is that is the defining mythos of 925 00:55:34,159 --> 00:55:37,559 the developed world, that the ultimate achievement is to create 926 00:55:38,039 --> 00:55:42,800 digital God and to transform humanity accordingly. Then it is 927 00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:49,239 the spirit of Antichrist made so utterly real that you 928 00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,880 shouldn't necessarily go into the woods and disappear into a 929 00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,480 bunker because we'll miss you. But you definitely don't take 930 00:55:55,559 --> 00:55:58,400 the mark. Okay, just don't do it. This is my 931 00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,840 parting recommendation to your audience. I know many were probably 932 00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,880 planning on it. Just you know, don't do it, That's 933 00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:05,480 all I'm saying. 934 00:56:06,119 --> 00:56:08,199 Speaker 2: All Right, Joe, this was This was a lot of fun. 935 00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:09,920 I really I really appreciate it. 936 00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:13,360 Speaker 3: And uh, and we'll definitely look to another time to 937 00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,519 talk about all this. As we see, this is happening 938 00:56:16,519 --> 00:56:19,119 so fast. Everything's happening super fast, and so we need 939 00:56:19,159 --> 00:56:22,639 to pay attention. So everyone, uh, you know, check out 940 00:56:23,039 --> 00:56:25,760 Joe's book dot guy on and you know he's also 941 00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,280 on Bannon's war room. And do you have a website 942 00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,159 a place where people can get all your all your stuff. 943 00:56:31,519 --> 00:56:35,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, Joe bot dot x y z. And if anyone 944 00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,960 in the audience is interested in the book dark a 945 00:56:39,199 --> 00:56:42,679 On or Eon or Ion dark a e O N 946 00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,760 dot x y z signed copies, I'll even draw a 947 00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:46,639 cartoon if you ask. 948 00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:48,960 Speaker 3: Awesome, all right, thanks jo it's good to talk to you. 949 00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,920 Speaker 1: Tremendous respect for you, Jonathan, I really really appreciate you 950 00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:52,280 having me. 951 00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,199 Speaker 3: If you enjoyed these videos and podcasts, please go to 952 00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,920 the Symbolic world dot com website and see how you 953 00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:02,079 can support what we're doing. There are multiple subscriber tiers 954 00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:05,039 with perks. 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