Speaker 1: This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
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Speaker 2: Coming up at bottom of this hour. The progress is
Speaker 2: hard to nail down when it comes to recovering from
Speaker 2: the wildfires. On the one hand, you've got home actually
Speaker 2: being built in Palisades, and then in Altadena you've got
Speaker 2: no permits being issued. This is the worst case scenario
Speaker 2: for people who have already suffered three months after the
Speaker 2: loss of their home in many cases, in some cases
Speaker 2: the loss of family members, loved ones.
Speaker 1: This is the dichotomy that everybody predicted money versus no money,
Speaker 1: ease to rebuild versus not easy to rebuild. And there's
Speaker 1: one thing when it comes to having the money to
Speaker 1: rebuild your home or a home or stay in the neighborhood,
Speaker 1: and another when it's the permit process, when the when
Speaker 1: the wheels greased for some and not for others, that's
Speaker 1: when you start getting really skeptical and annoyed well with government, and.
Speaker 2: For decades, very few people just in general, ever have
Speaker 2: to deal with a permitting process for local governments like this,
Speaker 2: and when they do in an emergency situation like this,
Speaker 2: you see how broken the system is. It's not built
Speaker 2: for you to get your life back together. So we'll
Speaker 2: talk about that at the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 1: The story we've been following for you is just a nightmare,
Speaker 1: and it started with just that missing thirteen year old
Speaker 1: boy out of the valley over the weekend. On Sunday,
Speaker 1: went to go see his soccer coach we now know
Speaker 1: in Lancaster, took the train out there and did not
Speaker 1: come back. Brother calls the cell phone, The soccer coach
Speaker 1: answer says, the kid's busy. Then dad calls, and then
Speaker 1: the family calls the police and says, the kid has
Speaker 1: not come home.
Speaker 3: There's something amiss here.
Speaker 1: Yet the soccer coach, the family will tell you with
Speaker 1: somebody that the family trusted, somebody that actually helped the
Speaker 1: family search for the thirteen year old boy. Well, his
Speaker 1: body was discovered in Oxnard along a road on Wednesday,
Speaker 1: and now that soccer coach, Mario Aquino has been charged
Speaker 1: with the murder special circumstances murder.
Speaker 2: Yesterday you mentioned the phone call. The boy's father, Daniel
Speaker 2: said he called the coach after when he was when
Speaker 2: the boy was missing, and the coach had insisted he
Speaker 2: dropped the team off near the family's home. Investigators said
Speaker 2: that they were able to use information from cell phones,
Speaker 2: cell phone towers, and other tracking systems to figure out
Speaker 2: that the suspect did visit the Oxnard area near McGrath
Speaker 2: State Beach in Santa Clara River. A foot search by
Speaker 2: LAPD FBI led to the discovery of the boy's body.
Speaker 2: They've also said that, or at least they're keeping under
Speaker 2: wraps how exactly he died. But we know that the
Speaker 2: charges against this guy include a special circumstance allegation of
Speaker 2: murdered or the commission or attempted commission of ludax with
Speaker 2: a child that would make him eligible for the death penalty.
Speaker 4: The DA has yet to decide on that.
Speaker 1: To make matters worse, this quote unquote soccer coach had
Speaker 1: been investigated by the Sheriff's department last year for what
Speaker 1: well allegations of an unrelated sexual assault. This seems to
Speaker 1: be another kid that's involved. This was a February twenty second,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four incident.
Speaker 3: He was charged last Wednesday with this incident.
Speaker 1: The coach, according to criminal files, says they say that
Speaker 1: took advantage of a position of trust and confidence in
Speaker 1: committing that assault. So you are right if your mind
Speaker 1: has gone to, oh god, how many other kids, because
Speaker 1: that's where everyone's mind has gone to, law enforcement included.
Speaker 1: If this guy was working as a travel soccer coach,
Speaker 1: a youth travel soccer coach, how many other kids, maybe
Speaker 1: from families that don't speak English as well. Was this
Speaker 1: guy taking advantage of not taking advantage of excuse me, assaulting? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's an assault on the whole family, isn't it.
Speaker 1: This was a family that moved from El Salvador for
Speaker 1: a better life for their kids. This little boy, Oscar
Speaker 1: was ten years old at the time, moved here three
Speaker 1: years ago.
Speaker 3: By the way it comes.
Speaker 1: Here, he's a standout soccer player, very gifted, you know,
Speaker 1: very popular in school, very gifted at soccer.
Speaker 3: Has this coach who ends up killing him, living his
Speaker 3: body in a field.
Speaker 2: There are also some law enforcement sources who have been
Speaker 2: saying that the coach was an immigrant from El Salvador, undocumented.
Speaker 4: So this is one of those stories that's going to
Speaker 4: be making.
Speaker 2: Headlines nationally, nationally as soon as it starts getting some
Speaker 2: amount of speed.
Speaker 1: Because this guy was here illegally. How many kids did
Speaker 1: he victimize while he was here illegally? And under what guys,
Speaker 1: and under what administration's policies.
Speaker 2: And and like you say, taking advantage of other kids
Speaker 2: and families who may have been undocumented because they don't
Speaker 2: want to raise their hand and bring attention to themselves.
Speaker 2: Sheriff Luna says that the original case against this guy
Speaker 2: that they investigated but apparently didn't charge, was that he
Speaker 2: had befriended a family there in Silmar. They were allowing
Speaker 2: their teenage son to stay with the coach at his
Speaker 2: residence up in Palmdale, And while they did file a
Speaker 2: criminal report with the Palmdale Sheriff Station alleging sexual abuse
Speaker 2: of the child, the kid was sixteen at the time.
Speaker 2: Detectives during that investigation learned that there was yet another
Speaker 2: unrelated child sex abuse case being handled by the Department
Speaker 2: LAPD's Foothill Division that involved this guy. So you had
Speaker 2: at least two other cases that were being investigated with
Speaker 2: this we're reported.
Speaker 1: If you're here illegally, if you don't speak English, what
Speaker 1: are the chances you report something like this?
Speaker 3: You don't, I mean, you don't report it.
Speaker 1: A lot of times even if you do, if you
Speaker 1: are here, if you were born here, if you speak English,
Speaker 1: it's unreported. A lot of families feel a lot of
Speaker 1: shame about that, especially if the parents rubber stamp the
Speaker 1: kids spending time with the coach.
Speaker 3: Everyone feels shame everyone.
Speaker 1: Maybe they seek out therapy for the child or the
Speaker 1: family or what have you. But I bet a lot
Speaker 1: of these don't go report it. It's like rape, It's
Speaker 1: like any of these things. You know, there's a degree
Speaker 1: of shame that come with them. What's why the numbers
Speaker 1: are so low from what they truly are. So if
Speaker 1: there are two boys that their families are here illegally
Speaker 1: and they reported this, imagine what this guy is capable
Speaker 1: of or was capable but he did.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The idea of artificial intelligence being used in conjunction with
Speaker 2: our nuclear power plants. There's one functioning nuclear power plant
Speaker 2: in California and there's a company that wants to use
Speaker 2: AI along with Diablo Canyon, Well, what.
Speaker 3: Could go wrong?
Speaker 2: Well we'll talk about what even they say about using
Speaker 2: AI when it comes to nuclear path I don't know.
Speaker 1: I've kind of my my thought process and AI has
Speaker 1: evolved quite a bit. I'm kind of like humans AI,
Speaker 1: what's the what's the drop off there?
Speaker 4: I mean, what's more dangerous?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from
Speaker 5: KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 3: Stories. We're following for you.
Speaker 1: Today's US stocks rising big swings, however, still rock Wall
Speaker 1: Street for a second straight day. It's like the S
Speaker 1: and P five hundred has added one point two percent
Speaker 1: after giving up most of an early four point one
Speaker 1: percent gain. So it's again up and down. We don't
Speaker 1: really know until the closing bell. Really, we could give
Speaker 1: you updates as the day progresses, but like we saw yesterday,
Speaker 1: it's just it's up, it's down, and you don't know
Speaker 1: where the dust is settles until it does.
Speaker 2: Just the Air Force is reversing its ban on including
Speaker 2: preferred pronouns in your email signature. In a news release
Speaker 2: that came out, the Air Force had said it was
Speaker 2: rescinding the earlier directive to cease the use of preferred
Speaker 2: pronouns the he hymn, she heard, ay them whatever, to
Speaker 2: identify your gender, identity and professional communications. All airmen and
Speaker 2: civilian employees may now include their preferred pronouns back in
Speaker 2: their email signature.
Speaker 1: Blocks you know, I heard you start talking, and I
Speaker 1: completely stopped listening once you said the word pronouns. And
Speaker 1: it's not because I am old and refuse to accept change.
Speaker 1: It's just because I honestly know I'm going to be
Speaker 1: confused and I don't have the bandwidth for it right now.
Speaker 1: When you get into pronouns, into policies using pronouns and
Speaker 1: things like email signatures, you lost me, Like, what a
Speaker 1: luxury for anybody to be upsetsed with a policy over
Speaker 1: how you sign your emails? Who's even reading email anymore?
Speaker 1: I know, I know it's just me that's not reading
Speaker 1: email anymore, but you.
Speaker 2: Never really have who goes to the emails signature to
Speaker 2: be concerned about someone else's exactly.
Speaker 3: Why I say it's a luxury.
Speaker 1: If that's where you're looking to be aggrieved, good Lord,
Speaker 1: you have won life.
Speaker 2: We in the great state of California have one nuclear
Speaker 2: power plant that is still up and running. And although
Speaker 2: there have been discussions about decommissioning Diablo Canyon Nuclear Power
Speaker 2: Plant just up along the coast north of San Louis Obispo,
Speaker 2: and it is slated to begin the decommissioning process in
Speaker 2: a few years, it is still going because we still
Speaker 2: use nuclear energy here in the state of California.
Speaker 1: PGNE runs Diablo Canyon, which is very troubling to say
Speaker 1: the least.
Speaker 2: Well, they're not going to start any fires with a
Speaker 2: with the nuclear power plant.
Speaker 4: We hope that would be quite no.
Speaker 1: But it is a nuclear power plant, right that is
Speaker 1: run by pg and E. They received some new hardware,
Speaker 1: eight Navidia H one hundreds, which are among the world's
Speaker 1: mightiest graphical processors. Their purpose to power a brand new
Speaker 1: AI tool designed for the nuclear energy industry. Now, this
Speaker 1: is just meant to help workers there at the plant
Speaker 1: go through all these technical reports and regulations millions of
Speaker 1: pages of intricate documents from the Nuclear Regulatory Commission that
Speaker 1: go back decades while they operate and maintain the facility.
Speaker 1: What they are is basically computers to read and I'm
Speaker 1: assuming tell you when you're in compliance, what needs to
Speaker 1: be tweaked if it does, and just to make sure
Speaker 1: everything's in order.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: There was one statistic that I saw from marine Za Zowalik,
Speaker 2: from pg and E Vice president of Business and Technical Services.
Speaker 2: She says, we spend probably fifteen thousand hours a year
Speaker 2: searching through multiple databases that's a full time job for
Speaker 2: three people for an entire more than three people for
Speaker 2: an entire year, working eight hours a day. That's all
Speaker 2: they would do is search these databases. And the hope
Speaker 2: is that these supercomputers and AI would get that stuff
Speaker 2: done in an absolute fraction of the time. But it's
Speaker 2: important to point out that the company itself, this AI
Speaker 2: startup called Atomic Canyon, which works there in San Luis Obispo,
Speaker 2: that even they say, you can put this on the record,
Speaker 2: Trey Lauderdale's the chief executive, the AI guy in Nuclear
Speaker 2: says there is no way in hell I want AI
Speaker 2: running my nuclear power plant right now, and that the
Speaker 2: things that his computers and his company will be doing
Speaker 2: have to do with simple database searches.
Speaker 4: Well, AI, and I'm not simple, but I mean.
Speaker 1: It is simple though in the world of AI, we're
Speaker 1: at the very rudimentary stage of AI. Yes, what AI
Speaker 1: is doing right now is child's play compared to what
Speaker 1: it eventually will be able to do, but we are
Speaker 1: not there yet.
Speaker 2: Well, and they don't even here's the thing, they don't
Speaker 2: even know what AI would be sure.
Speaker 4: With a nuclear power plant.
Speaker 1: Exactly goes back to the highest math class you ever
Speaker 1: took and do you remember knowing all the stuff you
Speaker 1: didn't know, like all the things that were possible with
Speaker 1: equations and things that you knew you would never know
Speaker 1: because of the potential exactly. That's kind of where we're
Speaker 1: at with AI right now. Like us dumb dumbs are
Speaker 1: like it makes a song, Oh look, it reads a book.
Speaker 1: It can help me on my college essay. But it
Speaker 1: is going to do things we can't even conceive, we
Speaker 1: can't even begin.
Speaker 3: To think about.
Speaker 2: So Trey Lauderdale again, CEO of this company that put
Speaker 2: this thing together, He said that they are in talks
Speaker 2: with other nuclear facilities around the country as well as
Speaker 2: groups who are interested in building out small modular reactor facilities.
Speaker 2: There's been discussion about that technology where individual neighborhoods may
Speaker 2: have these tiny nuclear power plants to run a smaller grid,
Speaker 2: for example, and how they would want to start integrating
Speaker 2: the technology from the company into this nuclear space. He
Speaker 2: said he's not the only entrepreneur he's looking at ways
Speaker 2: to use AI into the nuclear energy field. The question
Speaker 2: that has to be asked though, and one of the
Speaker 2: things that we have to be careful about, not just
Speaker 2: in nuclear but in all aspects of AI, is what safeguards.
Speaker 4: Do we have?
Speaker 2: What in the I mean the old cliche of the
Speaker 2: computer is out of control and you walk up to
Speaker 2: the wall and you try to unplug it and it
Speaker 2: doesn't work.
Speaker 4: It's still moving, it's still going.
Speaker 2: I mean, that kind of a cliche situation is what
Speaker 2: they have to be able to prepare for and safeguard again,
Speaker 2: and they're not even sure that they have all of
Speaker 2: the answers to those questions.
Speaker 1: Let's just say that this story about AI being used
Speaker 1: at California's Diablo Canyon is probably the only AI story
Speaker 1: we're ever going to be able to wrap our heads around.
Speaker 2: Because all they're doing is looking through records millions and
Speaker 2: millions and millions.
Speaker 3: This is where we probably tap out.
Speaker 4: That's we've reached the ceiling of our.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, coming up negs. First, homes have begun
Speaker 1: rebuilding after the Palisie Palisades fire, and not a single
Speaker 1: home building permit has been finalized in Altadena.
Speaker 3: A tale of two fires.
Speaker 5: When we return, you're listening to Gary and Shannon on
Speaker 5: demand from KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 4: Top of the hour.
Speaker 2: We'll talk more about what's going on with the terrorists,
Speaker 2: but specifically why it is that China is not going
Speaker 2: to be backing down. It's going to take some major
Speaker 2: shift in the thinking of Shi Jinping if he's going
Speaker 2: to down at all to Donald Trump. So you got
Speaker 2: two guys, neither one of them is willing to bow down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a battle of the egos in the political capital,
Speaker 1: that's for sure.
Speaker 3: We do have good news to tell you about.
Speaker 1: We've talked about the company Colossal Biosciences before they.
Speaker 3: Try. They're trying to bring back lost species. That's their
Speaker 3: whole deal.
Speaker 1: And they say they've genetically engineered wolves with white hair
Speaker 1: and muscular jaws like the dire wolf, the extinct dire wolf.
Speaker 3: They range in age.
Speaker 1: They say the wolf pups from three to six months old.
Speaker 1: They've got the long white hair, they've got the jaws.
Speaker 1: They are much larger than gray wolves. Dire wolves. Their
Speaker 1: closest living relatives today are the gray wolves. This doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that dire wolves are necessarily coming back, but they
Speaker 1: this is what they do. They've previously announced similar projects
Speaker 1: to genetically alter cells from living species to create the
Speaker 1: animals resembling the extinct wooly mammoths, dodos and others.
Speaker 3: Now, that is a big bird. Don't play it. Don't
Speaker 3: do it. I just said it. We don't need to
Speaker 3: redo it. We don't.
Speaker 1: Don't don't hello, you know whatever that soundboard is, get
Speaker 1: rid of it.
Speaker 3: Escape. It's a regionalism.
Speaker 4: Escape.
Speaker 3: Is that still a thing? Is the escape button? Does
Speaker 3: it still work on a I hate myself?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Thank you? That is you know, big be.
Speaker 4: Are you done?
Speaker 3: You need to calm down. We were supposed to get
Speaker 3: right into that.
Speaker 2: Well, oh, there was a thing in the Palisades. That
Speaker 2: fire was three months ago, yesterday, if you can believe that.
Speaker 2: The fire then started later that night in Alta Dina
Speaker 2: up in the hills above Altadena. And as we've said
Speaker 2: many times, we said it that day and the weeks
Speaker 2: after that, this is a tale of two different, very
Speaker 2: different fires because of the locations the geography won the
Speaker 2: Palisades technically the city of Los Angeles, Alta Dina in
Speaker 2: the county of.
Speaker 1: La Well, and it was a very interesting conversation that,
Speaker 1: like you said, we saw play out in real time,
Speaker 1: you know. You and I saw the forecast on that
Speaker 1: Monday and we thought, oh hell, things are going to
Speaker 1: break loose. This is this forecast is this is not
Speaker 1: the boy who cried wolf. This is the real deal.
Speaker 1: That was the same forecast that now Karen Bass, we
Speaker 1: realized got and still chose to leave the country. She's
Speaker 1: got a lot of heat for getting the same forecast
Speaker 1: we did where you and I, not mayors of the city,
Speaker 1: said oh man, all hands on deck, this is going
Speaker 1: to be a rough week.
Speaker 3: And it was.
Speaker 1: We also saw play out in real time the reaction
Speaker 1: of the Palisades fire.
Speaker 3: It was too.
Speaker 1: Big and moving too quickly to get out in front of.
Speaker 1: And that's why we saw what we saw in Paradise
Speaker 1: when everyone was trying to get out in one road
Speaker 1: and it was just devastation as people had to run
Speaker 1: from their vehicles. And in real time we saw people say,
Speaker 1: why is this taking so long? With all the money
Speaker 1: that's in the Pacific Palisades, Why is this taking so long?
Speaker 1: Why is there so much devastation? You didn't hear that
Speaker 1: when the fire broke out in Altadena. You didn't hear
Speaker 1: that reaction of where is everything, where's all the resources,
Speaker 1: where's all the water? You just didn't hear that because
Speaker 1: there are two different set of circumstances or expectations. I
Speaker 1: should say when fires break out in La, there just
Speaker 1: are A fire breaks out in the Suppulvita Pass and
Speaker 1: you know it's going to be put out yesterday. You
Speaker 1: know it's going to be put out right away because
Speaker 1: of all the money that's there. A fire breaks out
Speaker 1: up in the foothills and you don't intrinsically expect it
Speaker 1: to be knocked down right away. And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: anything about the firefighting resources or how they're directed or used,
Speaker 1: or what the sense of urgency is based on the
Speaker 1: location of a fire.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying those are our reactions.
Speaker 1: If you've lived in LA for any amount of years,
Speaker 1: it's just realism. And now we're seeing that play out
Speaker 1: in real time when it comes to building back and
Speaker 1: we're seeing it play out the way that we would
Speaker 1: have hypothesized.
Speaker 3: Palisades are getting green lights. When it comes to permits.
Speaker 1: In Altadena, not a single home building permit has been finalized.
Speaker 2: There's at least one home on Depaw Street or near
Speaker 2: Depaw Street that has that has begun the process of
Speaker 2: rebuilding and within according to the construction company, they say
Speaker 2: they should have a house done in about ten months,
Speaker 2: which would be a significant milestone, especially and probably faster
Speaker 2: than a lot of people assumed. Now, the blueprint of
Speaker 2: this home is very similar to the blueprint for the
Speaker 2: old home, which they're saying is one of the reasons
Speaker 2: why the permit was approved so quickly.
Speaker 4: Well in the old time new home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the old home was just finalized two years ago, right,
Speaker 1: so it's exactly the same.
Speaker 3: They're going through the same thing again, so.
Speaker 2: They can keep you know, if the design is mostly similar,
Speaker 2: and then they're adding things like some minor modifications for
Speaker 2: fire protection. Uh, you know, they're not going to have
Speaker 2: exposed rafter tails, special roof vents for fire zones, all
Speaker 2: of that sort of stuff, new landscaping, all of that's
Speaker 2: going to be done to protect the home. So they
Speaker 2: were able to test resbestos back in February, they submit
Speaker 2: their plans to the city. In March. The family opted
Speaker 2: out of the Army Corps Debris. Remember the Army Corps
Speaker 2: of Engineers was going to come in. They opted to
Speaker 2: have their own company clear the lot because they could
Speaker 2: assume that or I think probably rightly so, assume that
Speaker 2: the company would be able to do it quicker than
Speaker 2: the Army Corps of Engineers. Now again that's on the
Speaker 2: palisade side. On the Alta Dina side, you've got people.
Speaker 2: For example, Margo Stuber, one of the victims. She has
Speaker 2: lost her house and she and her architect, Trinidad Campbell,
Speaker 2: submit their plans at the beginning of March to rebuild
Speaker 2: the home, and they were promised by the county that
Speaker 2: there would be a two week turnaround time for a
Speaker 2: first review and then a thirty day plan to issue
Speaker 2: a permit once the application is submitted. The problem is
Speaker 2: three different agencies had to look at that permit, planning,
Speaker 2: the fire and building in safety, and each of those
Speaker 2: agencies took the two to three weeks to review the plan,
Speaker 2: and in the end it meant that there would be
Speaker 2: at least three months before they get the permit, So
Speaker 2: they're still looking at May or June. Before all of this,
Speaker 2: homeowners said they're getting on the phone with the insurance
Speaker 2: or various county departments. Has been like a second job
Speaker 2: for them because they have to live and I should
Speaker 2: say they have to live in the temporary housing, which
Speaker 2: is an arm and a leg. They have to move
Speaker 2: from spot to spot or their couch crashing or spare
Speaker 2: room crashing with friends. They said in La County they
Speaker 2: received one hundred and seventy three zoning reviews and initiated
Speaker 2: the permit process for only twenty three of them. Now,
Speaker 2: one of the issues that I thought Rick Caruso was
Speaker 2: planning on, if you remember his he had offered to
Speaker 2: help out, was that they were going to have or
Speaker 2: at least he proposed the idea of having bringing in
Speaker 2: AI to help sift through this permit planning process so
Speaker 2: that it could raise some red flags and then have
Speaker 2: a human review at in the event that there was
Speaker 2: something that needed to be reviewed. This is exactly the
Speaker 2: This is exactly what people talk about when they say
Speaker 2: that government is broken when you need it the absolute most.
Speaker 2: And this is you know, people may say it, you
Speaker 2: sure you need fire and building in Safety and Planning
Speaker 2: department to all look at each of these things. Hey
Speaker 2: get in the same place at the same time.
Speaker 3: But you know what, you saw this train moving down
Speaker 3: the tracks.
Speaker 1: If you've ever needed a permit for anything, you've needed
Speaker 1: a permit for something or the house, right, I mean
Speaker 1: I haven't.
Speaker 3: But I've avoided it.
Speaker 1: I've been told how to avoid getting or needing a
Speaker 1: permit for X, Y or z, because it's such a process,
Speaker 1: because there's so much bureaucracy period for like a shed
Speaker 1: in the backyard or whatever, right, something that should be
Speaker 1: not a big deal to build an entire home a course, Yes,
Speaker 1: it would be nice to get somebody in there to
Speaker 1: streamline the process. Somebody can just say that's not unnecessary,
Speaker 1: it's unnecessary, or just like pile all the rebuilding of
Speaker 1: the fires into one stack at the permitting office and
Speaker 1: to deal with those separately and differently. But that would
Speaker 1: require somebody like I don't know, Elon Musk to come
Speaker 1: in and just be like, hey, we're not going to
Speaker 1: do it the way that you've been doing it government.
Speaker 3: We're going to do it my way.
Speaker 1: It's going to be quicker, it's going to be easier,
Speaker 1: it's going to be cheaper, and we're just going to
Speaker 1: do it this way.
Speaker 3: Because there's too many people.
Speaker 1: In that room, they're like, no, but we've always done
Speaker 1: it this way, and I'm important because I have to
Speaker 1: sign up on it.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's ego involved, there's a lack of creativity, there's
Speaker 2: a lack of innovation.
Speaker 4: I love it. Is it better? We didn't get to
Speaker 4: the we for a while, but then what.
Speaker 3: We weren't supposed to revisit that.
Speaker 2: Some intimacy coordinators say they do have jobs. My job
Speaker 2: is a real job. Put your hand there, touch that
Speaker 2: thing there.
Speaker 1: Could you imagine what takes the sex out of a
Speaker 1: sex scene more than somebody coming in and managing it.
Speaker 5: You're listening to Gary and Shannon on Demand from KFI
Speaker 5: AM six forty.
Speaker 2: A bunch of stories that we're following include, of course,
Speaker 2: the fallout more fallout from the tariff discussion out of Washington, DC,
Speaker 2: and when we get into swamp Watch at the top
Speaker 2: of the hour, we'll talk about why it is that
Speaker 2: Si Jinping is not going to back down at least
Speaker 2: doesn't look like it anytime soon. And the dire Wolf
Speaker 2: you mentioned this earlier. They've a company has says they've
Speaker 2: brought the dire Wolf back. So cool, they've kind of
Speaker 2: brought back a wolf that was not the dire Wolf.
Speaker 3: It's close. Gary, don't make.
Speaker 1: Me use your Christian name one more time, because I will. Okay,
Speaker 1: we've talked about intimacy coordinators before. It was a reflex
Speaker 1: or results, whatever you want to call it, of the
Speaker 1: me too, movement of actresses feeling like they had been
Speaker 1: taken advantage of on sets for generations, and this was
Speaker 1: a way to kind of bring consent onto the Hollywood set.
Speaker 1: Somebody that would come in and say what was right,
Speaker 1: what wasn't right, what was acceptable, ask for said consent
Speaker 1: from the parties present. It just seemed very odd from
Speaker 1: go I can't believe there haven't been more jokes made
Speaker 1: about it. Maybe there have, and I haven't been privy
Speaker 1: to them when it comes to SNL type sort of comedy.
Speaker 1: But the idea of having a sex scene, which is
Speaker 1: already so unsexy when it comes to Hollywood in terms
Speaker 1: of well, the fact that it's fabricated, it's not real.
Speaker 1: It's why that when movies come out where there's a
Speaker 1: leading couple that actually is in love or is in lust,
Speaker 1: it's a fun movie to go see because they're not
Speaker 1: faking it most of the time they are, and so
Speaker 1: it's already.
Speaker 3: Kind of a weird.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: I would assume a very weird, awkward thing to act out.
Speaker 1: You've done sex scenes before in your adult theater.
Speaker 3: Well, I saw. I saw at least a little.
Speaker 4: Bit of it.
Speaker 2: Where I held the woman's hand. Yeah, Okay, was that weird?
Speaker 2: I did not have an intimacy course, that's.
Speaker 1: For that, No, But it was an intimate moment that
Speaker 1: lasted about six six minutes.
Speaker 4: Okay, relaxed.
Speaker 3: It was a long time.
Speaker 1: That weird.
Speaker 4: Why were you so offended?
Speaker 3: Because it was weird? It was my wife, it was phony.
Speaker 2: Yes, they say that intimacy coordinators insure a s and.
Speaker 3: It wasn't a believable relationship.
Speaker 2: Insures a safe and consent forward environment for the entire
Speaker 2: cast and crew. But the pushback that they're getting I
Speaker 2: think is most interesting because you've got people like Gwyneth Paltrow.
Speaker 2: When this came up, we talked about it. She's in
Speaker 2: a movie with the young Timothy Shallow made Yeah, and
Speaker 2: she wants to get up in there and she didn't
Speaker 2: want an intimacy coordinator they're telling them or having anything
Speaker 2: to do with it, because she said it was getting
Speaker 2: in the way of what they're doing.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The another one, Tony Collette, she said, I felt like
Speaker 2: those people who were brought in to make me feel
Speaker 2: more at ease were actually making me feel more anxious.
Speaker 1: And you got to ask yourself, who the hell are
Speaker 1: you to come in and tell me what I feel
Speaker 1: safe for, what I feel comfortable doing. I know what
Speaker 1: I'm signing up for. I got the script right here,
Speaker 1: page eighty three. It says, you know, I sticks his
Speaker 1: tongue down my throat.
Speaker 4: You saw Anora, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Mikey Madison, the lead actress in there, won an award
Speaker 2: for one awards, I should say, for her Best act Fiction.
Speaker 2: He did not have an intimacy coordinator. And from what
Speaker 2: I understand, there's a lot of sex that goes on
Speaker 2: in that movie. Yes, So is it a matter of
Speaker 2: just finding the person who is going to be more
Speaker 2: comfortable with doing it by themselves or because in the event,
Speaker 2: let's just say that Mikey Madison wanted.
Speaker 1: I think it's a cover your ass job for the studios. Yes,
Speaker 1: that people bring these people in on set, but it's
Speaker 1: kind of up to the actors.
Speaker 3: And I probably I bet eighty eight point.
Speaker 1: Nine percent of people are like no, no, no, but
Speaker 1: they're there just so the studios can say they were there.
Speaker 2: Alicia Rhodis has been the in house intimacy coordinator for
Speaker 2: HBO and HBO Max for seven years, working on a
Speaker 2: bunch of different shows.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's the that's when it all happened, right
Speaker 1: seven years ago.
Speaker 2: She says that intimacy coordinators are very new. We're just
Speaker 2: getting the framework of what regulation and standardization looks like
Speaker 2: for the role, which means for the last ten years,
Speaker 2: it's very realistic that actors have had varying experiences with
Speaker 2: these intimacy coordinators, some positive and so.
Speaker 3: What a BS job. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Well, in the event that you had a young actress,
Speaker 2: take Mikey Madison as an example, because she has this
Speaker 2: award winning Oscar Worthy performance, Oscar winning performance, and in
Speaker 2: the event that she felt uncomfortable with it, does she
Speaker 2: win the award? But in the event that there was
Speaker 2: an intimacy coordinator there because she was so concerned about
Speaker 2: what was.
Speaker 3: Going on, taken the role. You don't take the role.
Speaker 3: You know, this isn't the This isn't the fifties or the.
Speaker 1: Sixties where young starlits are forced into contracts and on
Speaker 1: fen fens and not eating for weeks and forced into
Speaker 1: sex roles just because they're kept women at the studios,
Speaker 1: like there's strong women on the set everywhere.
Speaker 2: Do you think do you think these intimacy coordinators have
Speaker 2: a time limit like.
Speaker 3: I think they can.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think that right now they are a cover
Speaker 1: your own ass job for the studios.
Speaker 3: I think that they are silly. They're silly hearts want
Speaker 3: to make an Uncle Buck reference.
Speaker 2: They also said that they work closely with the costume
Speaker 2: department getting them information they need to source the right
Speaker 2: modesty garments and barriers.
Speaker 1: Like when Brian Williams's daughter did that scene in Girls?
Speaker 4: Is that?
Speaker 1: What are they are they sourcing the saran wrap or
Speaker 1: whatever it is they used for that?
Speaker 3: What do you not remember that?
Speaker 4: No? I never saw that.
Speaker 3: I didn't either, but I heard the story.
Speaker 4: Wasn't you know Dunham in that? Yeah? Okay I didn't.
Speaker 1: You don't remember the Alison Williams story? But what Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be the one to talk about
Speaker 1: it with you.
Speaker 4: You know you're going to drop.
Speaker 1: My intimacy coordinator just came in and said, we're not
Speaker 1: having this conversation.
Speaker 3: We'll talk about China when we come back to Gary
Speaker 3: and Chan.
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