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<v Speaker 1>Uh so, Balky, you finally have come to grips with

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<v Speaker 1>what the idea of elevated horror is figured With this

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<v Speaker 1>movie we're talking about Undertone, which is a elevated whore.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's described as that. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>it was marketed as elevator. Well, no one markets it

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<v Speaker 2>that way. That's a movie like a people like this

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<v Speaker 2>kind of term. It's like, oh, that's an elevated horror.

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<v Speaker 2>So how how would you How is this market just

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<v Speaker 2>regular horror is what it's called.

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<v Speaker 1>I would argue some of the most creative marketing I've

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<v Speaker 1>ever seen in my life. The the actual marketing that

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<v Speaker 1>I saw was all sounds, and I was like, well

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<v Speaker 1>this as a sounds related person, I was like, well

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<v Speaker 1>this is interesting and it kind of caught my eye

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<v Speaker 1>and it turns out ear ear, yeah, there it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for that. It turns out, though I was

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<v Speaker 1>snookerd yet again.

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<v Speaker 2>With this one, it shouldn't have been snookerd because you

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<v Speaker 2>you kind of I mean, I would assume every five

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<v Speaker 2>year being was like, Okay, this is gonna be elevated horror.

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<v Speaker 2>I know what I mean. Your expectations had to have

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<v Speaker 2>been met for this.

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<v Speaker 1>I well, only because you set them where they need.

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<v Speaker 1>I did not know it was elevated horror going into

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<v Speaker 1>it because, like for sake of argument, in three ten

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<v Speaker 1>Cloverfield Lane or whatever the hell, the trailer for that

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<v Speaker 1>was the one scene of John Goodman popping off, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was just like, man, I'm really that looks awesome,

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<v Speaker 1>And it was. It was a cool movie, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>really enjoyed that movie. When you do the unique marketing,

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<v Speaker 1>or you do the one scene of a movie marketing,

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<v Speaker 1>it can go one of two ways. It's either going

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<v Speaker 1>to completely send you on an experience that you thoroughly enjoy,

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<v Speaker 1>or you're going to say, what the hell did I

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<v Speaker 1>just watch? That one scene that I saw was the

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<v Speaker 1>best scene here?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I have.

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<v Speaker 1>To say, not knowing what I was getting with this

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<v Speaker 1>movie at all, there was a lot left to be desired.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I told you what the budget was for

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<v Speaker 2>this movie earlier, Yes, before I would have Well, I

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<v Speaker 2>guess I can't ask you because you knew what the

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<v Speaker 2>budget was after you saw it. But when you saw it,

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<v Speaker 2>did you did this feel like a five hundred thousand dollars? No?

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<v Speaker 1>Where did that money go? I feel like this.

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<v Speaker 2>So if I wouldn't have told you it cost a

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<v Speaker 2>half million bucks to make this, what would you imagine?

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<v Speaker 1>I would have guessed if you would have told me

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<v Speaker 1>six figures, I would have been like, nah uh. He's

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<v Speaker 1>like realistically, man, Like, I think there's as much budget

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<v Speaker 1>in this podcast, Like there's two people, there's some microphones.

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<v Speaker 2>Which which was ironic because this movie, the main character

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<v Speaker 2>is a podcast host, a horror podcast host, right, some

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<v Speaker 2>would say in elevated horror podcast host. But basically her

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<v Speaker 2>and her co host, as I kind of tell the

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<v Speaker 2>listeners a little bit about it, they host this horror

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<v Speaker 2>podcast where they have this audio that's sent to him

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<v Speaker 2>or they collect it from the internet. Yeah, and they

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<v Speaker 2>try to determine whether this was real supernatural stuff going

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<v Speaker 2>on in the audio, or if they debunk it, like

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<v Speaker 2>this is not real, this is fake, this is set

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<v Speaker 2>up or what have you, or there's a logical explanation

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<v Speaker 2>for what we're hearing. Yeah, and she's sort of the

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<v Speaker 2>debunker and he the believer. It's very Molder Scully, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they have a very Moulder Scully relationship. And this whole

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<v Speaker 2>time she's caring for her mother who is dying.

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<v Speaker 1>Do we know from what I don't think.

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<v Speaker 2>So she's in some sort of coma and she's in

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<v Speaker 2>her bedroom and the podcast host is staying with at

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<v Speaker 2>her mother's house. Okay, so stuff happens. They get sent

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<v Speaker 2>ten files anonymously and they're breaking them down and they're

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<v Speaker 2>kind of playing them one by one. Although I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think we heard all of them now that I think about.

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<v Speaker 1>It, No, I don't think. So there was a Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they skipped a few in there, but you here one, two, three,

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<v Speaker 1>like six eight, and you're not hearing anything with like it,

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<v Speaker 1>none of them are worth it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well you say that and then and I was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of with you. But then at the end, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I had to do some internet research on this just

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<v Speaker 2>to make sure it was matching up with how I

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<v Speaker 2>took it, and it was there. There's a twist to

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<v Speaker 2>these audio files and how they relate to the host,

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast host. Yeah, okay, so so you have that

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<v Speaker 2>sort of twist. You have the technology that allows her

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<v Speaker 2>to place some of these clips backwards where she is

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<v Speaker 2>picking up on different words. Sure, and there was in

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<v Speaker 2>doing her research on this, she's finding out, oh hey,

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<v Speaker 2>there there might actually be something here, right, So this

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<v Speaker 2>mystery is kind of unfolding in front of you, and

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<v Speaker 2>I guess when when that those are your plot devices.

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<v Speaker 2>You can make this fairly cheap. So how do you

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<v Speaker 2>make it scary? How do you make it intense? How

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<v Speaker 2>do you make how do you elevate it that? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>And I think and I can't remember. I'll look up

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<v Speaker 2>the director's name in a second. It was his first

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<v Speaker 2>it was his debut directorial debut, and I think he

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<v Speaker 2>chose and we'll get into the sound aspect in Twison Toison, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>Ian Tuison, which I think he wrote it too. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>these shots, these panning shots, right these these three sixty

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<v Speaker 2>shots right where it builds the suspense, It builds the intensity,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's how you you know, have this effect on

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<v Speaker 2>the audience. Now it's not you know how many jump

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<v Speaker 2>scares were in this one?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I don't even remember being jumped. I'm gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>honest to you. Towards the end, now, if that, if

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<v Speaker 1>that happened, it was good. It was not sufficient enough

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<v Speaker 1>to get okay, oh yeah, I was only in a

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<v Speaker 1>theater with four.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what, that's not one move. No, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna say that wasn't a jump scare because it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>sudden enough. But you know what, because of how slow

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<v Speaker 2>and deliberate this the pacing was in this movie, doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>it seem like a relatively it was a jump.

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<v Speaker 1>Scare, yes, but like not organically earned. And for wanting

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<v Speaker 1>to be an elevated horror movie, you can't resort to

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<v Speaker 1>the schlocky let's turn the music and volume up really

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<v Speaker 1>loud in a quiet moment for a jump scare kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna take back the whole jump scare thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't but that was the closest we got to it. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>if I were to ask you somebody who's never seen

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<v Speaker 2>this movie before, Ben, yeah, I was thinking about seeing

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<v Speaker 2>this Undertone movie, and Ben, you saw it, what what

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<v Speaker 2>movie would you compare it to? What? What elevated horror

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<v Speaker 2>movie have you seen that either had elements Undertone, had

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<v Speaker 2>elements of that film, or reminded you of this film?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he and I did not talk this through

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<v Speaker 1>before he brought that up.

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<v Speaker 2>It's quite frankly, I don't have a good answer for

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<v Speaker 2>this because I haven't seen a whole lot of horror.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you've watched a ton yeah, but it's not

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<v Speaker 1>even it has nothing to do with the plot. I

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<v Speaker 1>walked out of that film reminding myself of the Blair

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<v Speaker 1>Witch Project. Oh yeah, because it was seventy minutes of

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<v Speaker 1>why the hell am I watching this? With ten minutes

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<v Speaker 1>of oh shit's getting interesting? And then it was over.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is the best way spot on me. That

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<v Speaker 1>is spot on. Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>There were some uh, you know, honestly, I like a

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<v Speaker 2>movie where I'm kind of this this is my lowbrow movie. Take.

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<v Speaker 2>I like a movie where I'm kind of and I

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<v Speaker 2>think you do too, where you're guessing what's gonna happen next,

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<v Speaker 2>where you're you're trying to figure out what what's this

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<v Speaker 2>character going to do? What's what's the motivation for this

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<v Speaker 2>character to do this, or what's you know? And and

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<v Speaker 2>I like that better than where I'm trying to figure

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<v Speaker 2>out not necessarily what's going on, but why am I

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<v Speaker 2>seeing and hearing what I'm seeing and hearing, you know, like,

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<v Speaker 2>what's the purpose for this? And I feel like I

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<v Speaker 2>was asking myself why am I meant to hear this?

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<v Speaker 2>Why is why is the director choosing to show this?

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<v Speaker 2>Why is the director having this sound play or or

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<v Speaker 2>this audio file play What what am I supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>be gleaning ont of this? And I felt that I

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<v Speaker 2>spent most of the movie asking myself that, right and

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<v Speaker 2>which kind of took a little bit of the enjoyment

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<v Speaker 2>away for me. And then at the end, I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like a lot of that was still unanswered. I still

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<v Speaker 2>don't know why the decisions that Tuison made Ian Tuison

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<v Speaker 2>made in this, I don't I don't it definitely. I

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<v Speaker 2>can say for pretty certain the desired effect that he

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<v Speaker 2>probably hoped that the audiences would feel it was lost on.

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<v Speaker 1>Me personally thousand percent. And I will say and disclaimer

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<v Speaker 1>here for this, like it is very difficult to make

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<v Speaker 1>a haunting horror movie that I'm going to enjoy. It

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<v Speaker 1>can be done. Like I can acknowledge that the Conjuring

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<v Speaker 1>movies are very well made. They're not for me. But

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<v Speaker 1>Evil Dead is one of my favorite franchises that's about possession,

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I just feel like those are those are a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they're in your face, there's a lot more goal

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that, but it's still the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>a spirit inhabiting a body, which it's more difficult to

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<v Speaker 1>get me invested in that kind of plot, trying to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out this here it kind of gets funneled into

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<v Speaker 1>a similar boat. And I can even tell you I

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<v Speaker 1>thought the best parts of this I almost wish And

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it's because of our profession and I'm used to

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<v Speaker 1>talking to you with headphones on in this certain kind

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<v Speaker 1>of discourse. I think I would have enjoyed the movie

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<v Speaker 1>more if it were just a ninety minute podcast, Like

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<v Speaker 1>if they did the movie like it were a podcast. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>and they had worked together the entire time, and like

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<v Speaker 1>things slowly unraveled, because as soon as the scenes with

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<v Speaker 1>the podcasting ended, I would find myself checking out of

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<v Speaker 1>the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but that's a good point. That is a good point,

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<v Speaker 2>because I do feel like I didn't know exactly what

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<v Speaker 2>was going on the relationship. I mean, clearly it was

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<v Speaker 2>a semi complicated relationship that she had with her mother. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it sounded like she had a semi complicated relationship with

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<v Speaker 2>her significant other in this And I feel like we

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<v Speaker 2>should talk about this too. She is the only moving

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<v Speaker 2>character basically for this whole movie for ninety minutes. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you have the cast? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I do.

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<v Speaker 2>What's her name again, Nina Key, Nina Kiri, who you

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<v Speaker 2>might remember from I want to say Orange is the

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<v Speaker 2>New Black, that was like her big thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But heretics escalation. I don't have any Oh, that's because

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<v Speaker 1>it's movies. I'd have to get the IMDb.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought you did.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, I just have the generic one up here.

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<v Speaker 1>But go ahead, keep talking and I'll get the TV shows.

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<v Speaker 1>So so she's going to be in the street Fighter

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<v Speaker 1>movie that'd probably be better than this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Handmaid's Tail. I just as soon as as soon

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<v Speaker 2>as yeah, yeah, I'm like, okay, yeah, she was in

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<v Speaker 1>And she does fine. For the record, Like again, it's

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<v Speaker 1>miss in my book because they've done some of my

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<v Speaker 1>favorites of all time. Green Room Top ten horror movie

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<v Speaker 1>of all time in my opinion, green Room.

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<v Speaker 2>Have I ever heard of this? Have you talked about this?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't, I don't know. Maybe not. The one where

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<v Speaker 2>Get out of the bar. Can't they just leave?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh fucky? And like that's the best part is you're like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>So there are some twists where you're finding out, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Telling you the obvious. Yeah, I reck if you're looking

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<v Speaker 1>for an a twenty four movie that I'll actually get

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<v Speaker 1>a kick out of, green Room is. There's other good ones.

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<v Speaker 1>Midsummer was fine, Heretic is fine. Green Room is the

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<v Speaker 1>only one that I would describe as like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>that was such a such a blast. How old is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty fifteen? Okay, And like I'll say something if we

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<v Speaker 1>can remember, remind me to say something, I'll say it

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<v Speaker 1>off the air because I don't want to say it

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<v Speaker 1>on this podcast about it, but it makes me like

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<v Speaker 1>it even more. But in any event, so a twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four for me is a very mixed bag in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of what I think the movie Tusk, when Justin Long

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<v Speaker 1>is getting turned into walls, I think that's a twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four and I actually like that movie, but I'd argue

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<v Speaker 1>it's much more lowbrow than the average eight twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>film is going to be. This was much more towards

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<v Speaker 1>the higher end, and I would funnel this into my

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<v Speaker 1>problems with the movie It follows, which we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks ago, in that there's long silences, the scenes

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<v Speaker 1>are framed in a way that it is creepy, Like

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<v Speaker 1>there's big empty spaces that you're like, oh, something's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>cover that space, and then nothing happens in that space.

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<v Speaker 1>And did you notice there's like subtle moments, like early

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<v Speaker 1>on in the movie she'll close and I'm technically not

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<v Speaker 1>spoiling anything, or she'll close the door and has a

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<v Speaker 1>mirror on it. There's definitely just something standing and you

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<v Speaker 1>see it for half a second and then the mirror closes. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>It's so subtle, but you're probably zoning out because it's

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<v Speaker 1>so boring. There was something in the mirror, yeah, like

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<v Speaker 1>in the distance and you can see it just standing

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<v Speaker 1>there and like you get it for half a second.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, man, I wonder how many people that happened,

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm saying. And I'm willing to bet I

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<v Speaker 1>missed three or four things, because I myself found myself

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<v Speaker 1>zoning out quite a bit, scrolling even in the theater,

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<v Speaker 1>just being like, oh man, it has been so long

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<v Speaker 1>since anything happened.

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<v Speaker 2>I do not care.

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<v Speaker 1>And on top of all of this, I was distracted

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<v Speaker 1>by her co host Adam DeMarco Is. The actor sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like he should be hosting an NPR show somewhere, which

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<v Speaker 1>is probably what they told him to go for, but

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<v Speaker 1>his delivery made me think he was the evil spirit

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<v Speaker 1>the entire time, Like I was waiting for one of

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<v Speaker 1>those kind of movies. Really, I'm like, Okay, so this

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<v Speaker 1>guy's clearly evil or is coaxing her to open more

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<v Speaker 1>of these because he's obviously.

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<v Speaker 2>And he part of the thing. He ultimately was involved. Yah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, but I don't want to ruin anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for the record, I saw this whole movie and like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not even sure that I know everything that happened,

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<v Speaker 1>because I can't express how much I was.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I did the whole wiki thing. Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there wasn't anything in there that I didn't pick up on,

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<v Speaker 2>but you telling me this stuff in the mirror, yeah

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever. I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>It was so subtle bulky that I myself did it.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually said that, Yes, is that is that? The design?

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<v Speaker 1>I think?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that? That is that the design that you you

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<v Speaker 2>you lull everybody into this false sense of nothing going on,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it rewards the active viewer.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, and that's uh, that's an A twenty four staple.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to. I don't I might be misspeaking,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think in the movie Hereditary, she's just in

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<v Speaker 1>the corner of the room, like there's a scene happening,

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<v Speaker 1>and then like the scene has been going on for

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<v Speaker 1>three minutes and then the entity moves. You're like, Jesus

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<v Speaker 1>was that thing? Oh yeah, that's awesome. Like there's ways

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<v Speaker 1>to do it in a way that pays off, but

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<v Speaker 1>this was so subtle. Yeah that I was like, who

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<v Speaker 1>actually saw that? Because this movie, especially if you're not

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<v Speaker 1>in theaters, does not encourage you to pay attention.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there is a lot there's a lot of moments

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<v Speaker 2>in that where and I feel like if you're experiencing

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<v Speaker 2>a film, television, show, music. I think is is definitely

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<v Speaker 2>true as well. You have to be active, you have

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<v Speaker 2>to be an at you have to actively let this

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<v Speaker 2>content saturate through you, right and and and seek out

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<v Speaker 2>everything that you should be seeking out. Right. It's it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's a two way street, right, Yeah, you can't just

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<v Speaker 2>let it hit you. You got it. You gotta be involved

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<v Speaker 2>in it. And sometimes a tours will challenge you to test,

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<v Speaker 2>they will test that and I failed this test, and it.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds like you're good to yeah, one hundred percent, and

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<v Speaker 1>like you can also fail in a good movie, like

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<v Speaker 1>in The Departed, h every character it's about to die

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<v Speaker 1>has an X above their head.

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<v Speaker 2>Which I didn't even realize until you told me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yea, I didn't notice it when I was watching. It's

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<v Speaker 1>one of those things that come across it in like

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<v Speaker 1>a BuzzFeed article or something like ten things you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>notice in movies that you love, right, And it's just like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's sort of a gun, so like it can absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>sling both ways. But this one, I think people were

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<v Speaker 1>missing stuff or people I was missing stuff. You were

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<v Speaker 1>missing stuff because allowed me to speak for you kind

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<v Speaker 1>of checked out as like you could tell twenty thirty

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<v Speaker 1>minutes in what it was story.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't even like a matter of checking out. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a matter of it was so deliberate, it was

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<v Speaker 2>so slow, and it just kind of lulls you where

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<v Speaker 2>this would be the perfect opportunity to introduce some jump

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<v Speaker 2>scares to kind of reset the audience. Yeah, and you

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<v Speaker 2>didn't see that.

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<v Speaker 1>Are we cretans for saying that?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I think we're being honest.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I And I don't think I'm going to find

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<v Speaker 1>positive reviews while you're talking.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I bet plenty of the critics are saying

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<v Speaker 2>some of the same stuff we're saying too, like actual film,

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<v Speaker 2>real life pundits.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I don't need to know what sucked about

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<v Speaker 1>this movie. I can tell you just find I want

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<v Speaker 1>to see what people saw in this they were, Well.

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<v Speaker 2>You make it seem like, because this is our take,

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<v Speaker 2>that we're not evolved enough to handle something like this. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I sometimes wonder because this isn't the first time. The

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<v Speaker 1>VICH I always call it because it spelled with two v's,

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<v Speaker 1>is like ninety something percent. I'm like, that sucked. That

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<v Speaker 1>was so boring and I didn't get anything out of this.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a witch movie. I hat's like a movie.

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<v Speaker 1>From like colonial Like it's like colonial American times.

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<v Speaker 2>Trials that kind of era.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, probably, And like at one point in the

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<v Speaker 1>trailer that's what got me, Like the goats gets on

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<v Speaker 1>two legs and kind of starts hopping around and it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>cgi way, it's very uncanny, very creepy. I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that might be fun. That is the only scene in

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<v Speaker 1>the movie that I remember. It was a complete waste

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<v Speaker 1>of time. I'm pretty sure it all ends with like

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<v Speaker 1>the women in the in the family like holding hands

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<v Speaker 1>and spinning in circles, smiling, and then it's over. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>what did I just watch? And like you go and

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<v Speaker 1>look at their views and they're like a cinematic masterpiece,

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<v Speaker 1>unparalleled by I'm like, what's wrong with me that I

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<v Speaker 1>don't see this at all? Same guy did no Speratu

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<v Speaker 1>didn't even watch it. So I'm like, if that guy

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<v Speaker 1>did the vivich, I am not coming back because I

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<v Speaker 1>know I'm getting into and this absolutely had me thinking

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<v Speaker 1>of those type of movies, and I wonder, like, has

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<v Speaker 1>the Marvel virus as it infected me in a way

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<v Speaker 1>that I cannot have don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't. I don't think that's the case at all,

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<v Speaker 2>because you still appreciate other stuff you can, you can

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<v Speaker 2>still appreciate well, I don't know, Like now that I

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<v Speaker 2>think about this, what's a film that you and I

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<v Speaker 2>have focused as a topic of this podcast that not

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily is elevated horror but lower dialogue, smaller dialogue where

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<v Speaker 2>the emphasis on the sound and what's on what's on

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<v Speaker 2>the screen, you know what I mean, rather than what

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<v Speaker 2>people are saying. The environment is sort of the star.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the Long or Longest Walk? What was the movie

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<v Speaker 1>called The Long Walk? That would probably be one there, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because it was like the desolate atmosphere no matter where

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<v Speaker 1>they were, with decrepit falling apart, Like you could story

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<v Speaker 1>without any dialogue in that story?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you have an example in mind?

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<v Speaker 2>No? I did not.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that was that's.

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<v Speaker 2>All I mean. I was thinking of Nuremberg. But but

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<v Speaker 2>Nuremberg was so was so dialogue. Yeah, that wouldn't that

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't apply. I'm just trying to think something like Mother,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, which we didn't do.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is that a twenty four? I think that might

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<v Speaker 1>be a twenty four let.

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<v Speaker 2>Me ask you this. I've never seen this movie and

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<v Speaker 2>I heard it was really really good, but I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think I don't think I would enjoy it. The Lighthouse

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<v Speaker 2>with Willem Dafoe and Robert Pattinson's.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I didn't see it. I'm familiar.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's another one where I think like, there's all

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<v Speaker 2>this symbolism and hidden stuff in there that you really

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<v Speaker 2>got to be actively seeking stuff out to understand what

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<v Speaker 2>kind of what's going on and what the desired effect

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<v Speaker 2>and the story is, you know, And I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>that's how Undertone was.

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<v Speaker 1>What was like, what's funny is is this movie couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be more polar opposite from Undertone. But much like our

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<v Speaker 1>first movie, or maybe second movie of the year, Primate,

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<v Speaker 1>I was doing this podcast with you saying, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty good at figuring out the subtext in movies,

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<v Speaker 1>like symbolism very rarely goes over my head. I know

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<v Speaker 1>what they're trying to tell me. And I said, I

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<v Speaker 1>do not know what the symbolism was. And it got

422
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<v Speaker 1>to the point where even screenshoted you the AI version,

423
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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh, it turns out there was symbolism in it.

424
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<v Speaker 1>Even in primate. What was the point of this Was

425
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<v Speaker 1>it about relationships with mothers and daughters? Was it about

426
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<v Speaker 1>the uncertainty of being a parent, Because whatever the main

427
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<v Speaker 1>thrust of the movie was, in my opinion, had nothing

428
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<v Speaker 1>to do with any.

429
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<v Speaker 2>Of those ideas.

430
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<v Speaker 1>And I have no idea what the point of that movie,

431
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<v Speaker 1>of this movie it actually was.

432
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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll go back to what I originally said that

433
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<v Speaker 2>some movies are just made.

434
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<v Speaker 1>That's not a thing. Some movies are just made, and

435
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<v Speaker 1>definitely not by A twenty four.

436
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<v Speaker 2>To be watched, right, A twenty four picked this up.

437
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<v Speaker 2>By the way, this is not something that was like

438
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<v Speaker 2>it was. It came out by a different film studio

439
00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:03.799
<v Speaker 2>and then like last year something, and then A twenty

440
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<v Speaker 2>four sort of like, okay, well we're gonna get the

441
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<v Speaker 2>rights to this and distribute it. So it wasn't like

442
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<v Speaker 2>one of their own.

443
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<v Speaker 1>According to Sundance dot Org, it is the crushing, often

444
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<v Speaker 1>delusional burden of traumatic loss, grief, and caregiving fatigue. See

445
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<v Speaker 1>I figured something about caregiving, but like, what did the

446
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<v Speaker 1>supernatural entity have anything to do with that? Not a

447
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<v Speaker 1>damn thing, Like I feel it was a disconnect.

448
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<v Speaker 2>Was a supernatural entity her mother in between living and dying,

449
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<v Speaker 2>do you know what?

450
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, I mean I guess that that maybe could be.

451
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<v Speaker 2>Where where she has the ghost, this quasi ghost of

452
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<v Speaker 2>her mother and she has this you know, the next

453
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<v Speaker 2>generation sort of like kind of there but kind of

454
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<v Speaker 2>not there, right, I don't know.

455
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<v Speaker 1>See, Like compare this to the movie Smile, which I

456
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<v Speaker 1>still say is my favorite scary movie that I've seen

457
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<v Speaker 1>since moving to the Fox Valley that whole Oh.

458
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<v Speaker 2>By the way, I watched it.

459
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<v Speaker 1>Follows, Oh, yeah, we'll talk.

460
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<v Speaker 2>It was good. You like it? Yeah, it was good.

461
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like there's things to like about.

462
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<v Speaker 2>It, but I'm just like there, you know, honestly, not

463
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<v Speaker 2>that We'll just side by real quick, because it kind

464
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<v Speaker 2>of ties in a little bit to undertone what I

465
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<v Speaker 2>loved about it. Follows was you, as the viewer, clearly

466
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<v Speaker 2>knew what was going on at a certain point in

467
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<v Speaker 2>the movie. Sure, and you'd see these Okay, I'm going

468
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<v Speaker 2>use Saturday Night Live, Yeah, Storty to describe this. There's

469
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<v Speaker 2>a sketch from Jenna Ortega hosted called like Varsity Blues

470
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<v Speaker 2>or something. I don't know what it was called, but

471
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<v Speaker 2>it was Marcelo Hernandez and Jenna Ortega as boyfriend and

472
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<v Speaker 2>high school boyfriend and girlfriend senior year, and Jenna Ortega

473
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<v Speaker 2>meets him at a waffle house, like in a parking lot,

474
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<v Speaker 2>and she kind of breaks up with them because she's

475
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<v Speaker 2>going off to film or to music school in New

476
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<v Speaker 2>York and he's staying behind or whatever. So it's this

477
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<v Speaker 2>very emotional conversation. But in the background, it's a waffle house.

478
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<v Speaker 2>Crazy stuff is going down, and it's hilarious because it's

479
00:23:07.079 --> 00:23:10.119
<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's it's sort of like this, you know,

480
00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:14.440
<v Speaker 2>the desired what they want you to see is literally

481
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<v Speaker 2>in the background, not in focus, right, but you know

482
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<v Speaker 2>what's going on, and it's hilarious while this big emotional

483
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<v Speaker 2>thing is happening in front of you. It follows you

484
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<v Speaker 2>have these conversations between the characters. You have just everyday

485
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<v Speaker 2>life going on, people walking around, talking in a classroom,

486
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<v Speaker 2>what have you. And the camera doesn't frame it right. Yeah,

487
00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:42.880
<v Speaker 2>this is all a sudden there and it's it's not

488
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<v Speaker 2>stopping and the camera still is not framing it.

489
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<v Speaker 1>But but you.

490
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<v Speaker 2>See it, right, you see what's what's happening. That's awesome.

491
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<v Speaker 2>It's so good. It's so good, right, And and in

492
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<v Speaker 2>this I feel to tie back into undertone. I feel

493
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<v Speaker 2>like in this it was like like that was kind

494
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<v Speaker 2>of there, but it wasn't bonk you over the head there, right,

495
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<v Speaker 2>And I wish like it would have been bonked me

496
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<v Speaker 2>over the head because while you know, I'm sure that

497
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<v Speaker 2>makes me a Cretan. Yeah, it would have been more enjoyable.

498
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<v Speaker 1>I completely. I couldn't agree more. And I was gonna

499
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<v Speaker 1>compare it to U because the idea of traumatic loss

500
00:24:20.359 --> 00:24:23.279
<v Speaker 1>and grief is the exact same subtext and smile. But

501
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<v Speaker 1>it's like, in order for the beast to follow you,

502
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<v Speaker 1>you had to witness someone die in front of you. Yeah,

503
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<v Speaker 1>and they had to have the entity in them when

504
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<v Speaker 1>they died. It's like, oh, I get that because watching

505
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<v Speaker 1>someone die in your life absolutely like if you physically

506
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<v Speaker 1>see the act, that impacts you in a way. And

507
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<v Speaker 1>that's why, Okay, explain to me what even if it follows,

508
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<v Speaker 1>I understand it follows could be a sexual reputation, especially

509
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<v Speaker 1>as a woman if you find yourself in that situation.

510
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<v Speaker 1>So it follows, I get it. It hits you over

511
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<v Speaker 1>the head, it's there. I do not know what the

512
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<v Speaker 1>point of this movie was I almost would rather just

513
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<v Speaker 1>finished this podcast talking about it follows, you know.

514
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<v Speaker 2>What, I'd love to and I don't know if there

515
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<v Speaker 2>is one what's his name again? Ian Ye love to

516
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<v Speaker 2>see an interview like where he's talking about this movie

517
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<v Speaker 2>and why he decided to make it, what he likes

518
00:25:16.559 --> 00:25:18.519
<v Speaker 2>about it, and I think then we could probably figure

519
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<v Speaker 2>out the tie in yeah too, or or was was

520
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<v Speaker 2>this was any of this real?

521
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

522
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like you you never know in these types

523
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<v Speaker 2>of things where it's like it is, are we are

524
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<v Speaker 2>we experiencing this? Or are we experiencing the character's experience

525
00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:40.839
<v Speaker 2>of this, you know, where it's it's actually just going

526
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<v Speaker 2>on in their mind? Spoiler alert. Shutter Island? Yeah, it

527
00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:47.640
<v Speaker 2>was a lot like that, right, yeah, because for the

528
00:25:47.680 --> 00:25:51.359
<v Speaker 2>majority of that we're seeing the movie. We're seeing the

529
00:25:51.400 --> 00:25:54.440
<v Speaker 2>film through another character. We're not seeing the reality. Sure,

530
00:25:54.799 --> 00:25:57.079
<v Speaker 2>and there's better examples of that than that, but Shutter

531
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<v Speaker 2>Island was the first one that came to mind, which

532
00:25:58.680 --> 00:26:03.000
<v Speaker 2>was a great flick. Who did that? Was that? Scorse? Okay?

533
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<v Speaker 2>Anyway to get back on point, I think you can

534
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<v Speaker 2>make a case that unless you point something out that

535
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<v Speaker 2>I missed, you could make a case that we don't

536
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<v Speaker 2>know exactly if any of this was real, or if

537
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<v Speaker 2>this was going on in I can't even remember the

538
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<v Speaker 2>girl's name, the woman's name, but where it was going

539
00:26:21.640 --> 00:26:25.799
<v Speaker 2>on in her head this whole time, Evie. Maybe it's

540
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<v Speaker 2>a commentary on on mental health and the impact that

541
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<v Speaker 2>these outside forces have on our mental health and what

542
00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:38.319
<v Speaker 2>it can do or or how things can be twisted

543
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<v Speaker 2>in our own mind because of each human has its

544
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<v Speaker 2>own unique perspective of what life is and what their

545
00:26:44.839 --> 00:26:46.920
<v Speaker 2>surrounding environment is. I don't know, there's a lot of

546
00:26:46.960 --> 00:26:48.960
<v Speaker 2>different ways to go on this with with the meaning,

547
00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:53.079
<v Speaker 2>and I think the supernatural aspect of it obviously gives

548
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<v Speaker 2>you an avenue to sort of it gives you the

549
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<v Speaker 2>vehicle to to sort of showcase psychology that goes into this.

550
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I will say, because I've been taking a

551
00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:07.480
<v Speaker 1>hot steaming pile on this entire movie.

552
00:27:07.480 --> 00:27:08.759
<v Speaker 2>He Yeah, I don't want to make it seem like

553
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<v Speaker 2>I liked it. I'm just trying to come up with excuses.

554
00:27:13.119 --> 00:27:17.920
<v Speaker 1>Conversely, I'm saying the last fifteen minutes did have me uneasy,

555
00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:20.839
<v Speaker 1>and I am not encouraging you to see this in theaters,

556
00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:23.559
<v Speaker 1>but I am saying. Seeing it in theaters added an

557
00:27:23.559 --> 00:27:26.000
<v Speaker 1>element to it because the whole thing is kind of

558
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<v Speaker 1>audio based and having movie theater speakers versus watching it

559
00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:32.759
<v Speaker 1>on your phone or on a computer or on a

560
00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:35.759
<v Speaker 1>TV where you're it's it is different. In the last

561
00:27:35.799 --> 00:27:38.440
<v Speaker 1>ten minutes, I was like a little uneasy. But I

562
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<v Speaker 1>will say, and this is a quasi spoiler, the jump

563
00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:45.039
<v Speaker 1>scare never comes, so like like I was sitting there like, Okay,

564
00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:49.559
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna hit me. Yeah, seven seconds of intense, deep visuals.

565
00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:52.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm ready for it. What do you make of like

566
00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:55.160
<v Speaker 2>not having that payoff? Is that something that you have

567
00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:58.799
<v Speaker 2>to pay off or or are you okay with having

568
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<v Speaker 2>horror blue balls at.

569
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<v Speaker 1>The It's a matter of execution, because I'm asking you

570
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<v Speaker 1>it can be done.

571
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<v Speaker 2>It can be done correctly. You're telling me.

572
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<v Speaker 1>I've evolved on on that matter quite a bit because

573
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<v Speaker 1>I used to as a kid, especially a kid growing

574
00:28:16.119 --> 00:28:19.000
<v Speaker 1>up on horror, when adults in the room would tell you, no,

575
00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:21.680
<v Speaker 1>your imaginations there scariest, like get the hell out of here.

576
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<v Speaker 1>Show it to me. And as I get older, I

577
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<v Speaker 1>find that my own mind can take me to some

578
00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:31.839
<v Speaker 1>very dark places that a lot of directors and whatnot, Like,

579
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<v Speaker 1>for instance, the Wrong Turn remake, there's a scene where

580
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<v Speaker 1>they say, we're punishing you to the darkness, and in

581
00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:40.920
<v Speaker 1>the darkness, they pull your eyes and tongue out and

582
00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:42.759
<v Speaker 1>they throw you in this room and it's just pitch

583
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<v Speaker 1>black and you just feel your way around it. When

584
00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:47.759
<v Speaker 1>they show you the darkness, it is just black. Like

585
00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:49.680
<v Speaker 1>they open a door and it is just black, but

586
00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:52.279
<v Speaker 1>you never go in. And I was sitting there watching

587
00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:54.759
<v Speaker 1>that movie and I was like, man, I kind of

588
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<v Speaker 1>wish they took me in there to see what it

589
00:28:56.839 --> 00:28:59.759
<v Speaker 1>was like, but my mind is going crazy right now.

590
00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:03.359
<v Speaker 1>But then twenty minutes later, they do take you into

591
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<v Speaker 1>the darkness, and it was terrifying and it was so

592
00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:11.000
<v Speaker 1>creepy and so well done, and so like that shows

593
00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:13.480
<v Speaker 1>you they left it up to your imagination. They let

594
00:29:13.519 --> 00:29:15.480
<v Speaker 1>me run wild with it, and I created a very

595
00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:18.920
<v Speaker 1>scary scenario. Then they showed you their own interpretation of

596
00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:21.559
<v Speaker 1>what it would look like in there, and it was harrowing,

597
00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:24.119
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, okay, and so like, you can

598
00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:27.200
<v Speaker 1>do it right both ways. It's just a matter of execution.

599
00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:29.160
<v Speaker 1>They could have never shown it to me, and I

600
00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:31.960
<v Speaker 1>would have been very content with my own mind and

601
00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:33.799
<v Speaker 1>how I perceived what the darkness was.

602
00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:37.400
<v Speaker 2>I have not seen this film. Yeah, I would imagine

603
00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:38.799
<v Speaker 2>from the way that you're telling it to me.

604
00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:39.279
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm.

605
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<v Speaker 2>The reveal, Yeah, would be the darkness like that they

606
00:29:43.079 --> 00:29:45.559
<v Speaker 2>send you to mm hmm, just like a normal room

607
00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:48.640
<v Speaker 2>bathed in light, but because you have no eyes.

608
00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:53.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's dark to It's not that it's definitely not that.

609
00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:55.640
<v Speaker 2>Didn't cross your mind when you're framing it in your

610
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<v Speaker 2>own hat.

611
00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:59.359
<v Speaker 1>No, because like there's a creepiness you wouldn't have think

612
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:01.279
<v Speaker 1>You wouldn't think it the room, but the way the

613
00:30:01.359 --> 00:30:06.039
<v Speaker 1>people were acting in there. Because the movie is not great.

614
00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:09.039
<v Speaker 1>The original Wrong Turn from three was way better, but

615
00:30:09.400 --> 00:30:12.279
<v Speaker 1>is that Paul Walker is No, but it feels like

616
00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:14.559
<v Speaker 1>Paul Walker would should be And I think you're thinking

617
00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:19.599
<v Speaker 1>of a joy ride, but which they also redid also

618
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<v Speaker 1>not as good as the two thousands.

619
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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to think who would be wrong, because that's

620
00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:26.680
<v Speaker 2>like Dawson's could have been Josh Jackson or somebody in Yeah,

621
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that one of these one of these

622
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<v Speaker 2>frat bros.

623
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like I can picture Jessica Biel in there, but

624
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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty wrong Turn. Yeah, but that I think is

625
00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:37.200
<v Speaker 1>because she was in the Texas Chainsaw.

626
00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:38.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah she was.

627
00:30:39.119 --> 00:30:43.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't recognize any of these names. Eliza, Douchhoes, Eliza.

628
00:30:43.960 --> 00:30:46.759
<v Speaker 2>She was in Oh God, what was it?

629
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<v Speaker 1>Some Bring It On?

630
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<v Speaker 2>No no, no, no, no no. She was in some

631
00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:55.119
<v Speaker 2>w b c W show. Buffy. She was a Buffy

632
00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:56.480
<v Speaker 2>the Vampire Slayer. That's what it was.

633
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, okay, But in any event, I say all

634
00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:02.279
<v Speaker 1>that to say, you can I have evolved enough. But

635
00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:05.160
<v Speaker 1>like I'd also say, the Zeno morphin Alien is one

636
00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:07.240
<v Speaker 1>of the scariest things I could ever conceive of, and

637
00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:09.039
<v Speaker 1>someone else had to do that for me. And in

638
00:31:09.079 --> 00:31:11.920
<v Speaker 1>the original Alien you really don't see it that much.

639
00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:15.119
<v Speaker 1>Aliens shows up and they're like, we're gonna throw this

640
00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:17.160
<v Speaker 1>shit in your face for two hours and it's never

641
00:31:17.240 --> 00:31:20.599
<v Speaker 1>gonna stop being scary, and both of those can can

642
00:31:20.759 --> 00:31:23.960
<v Speaker 1>be true, and so I just think this one, for me,

643
00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:28.359
<v Speaker 1>there there wasn't any element. It's I wasn't uneasy enough

644
00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:31.480
<v Speaker 1>at any point. I see people giving this thing five stars.

645
00:31:31.519 --> 00:31:34.359
<v Speaker 1>One of the scariest movies I've ever watched. In what

646
00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:35.720
<v Speaker 1>effin universe?

647
00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:38.839
<v Speaker 2>Was anything I didn't get It didn't I didn't get that,

648
00:31:39.559 --> 00:31:41.799
<v Speaker 2>but I mean, you know, but again, it film is

649
00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:43.839
<v Speaker 2>as literally shaking.

650
00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:45.200
<v Speaker 1>This was so good.

651
00:31:46.119 --> 00:31:50.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just it's I can see how certain people

652
00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:51.519
<v Speaker 2>would be into this.

653
00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:54.799
<v Speaker 1>Left the movie with an eerie feeling. The movie was

654
00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:58.759
<v Speaker 1>good and so unsettling. I mean, there were unsettling moments

655
00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:00.680
<v Speaker 1>that I found myself bold.

656
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:03.359
<v Speaker 2>And I'll tell you what. The conclusion unsettled for me.

657
00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:06.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, but dude, I wish there's times when

658
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:08.359
<v Speaker 1>I wish that we had we could do spoilers because

659
00:32:08.359 --> 00:32:10.319
<v Speaker 1>there is a line of dialogue in there that if

660
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:13.119
<v Speaker 1>I say it, I feel like there's not too much dialogue. Yeah,

661
00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:15.839
<v Speaker 1>but like she says one thing towards the end and

662
00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:16.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm like.

663
00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:19.319
<v Speaker 2>Wait, yeah, what Yeah, So there's two things I want

664
00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:21.720
<v Speaker 2>to bring up here. Yeah. Number one regarding the dialogue.

665
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Let's do that, because I've wanted to bring this up

666
00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:24.799
<v Speaker 2>like three different times.

667
00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:25.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, hit me with it.

668
00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:30.240
<v Speaker 2>The dialogue that she has with her podcast host before

669
00:32:30.319 --> 00:32:34.359
<v Speaker 2>they start recording, and then while they're recording, it seems

670
00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:35.680
<v Speaker 2>so hokey.

671
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:37.759
<v Speaker 1>And yes, that's why I thought he was evil, right,

672
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:40.119
<v Speaker 1>because the way the delivery was happening, I'm like, there's

673
00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:41.279
<v Speaker 1>something up with this guy.

674
00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:44.599
<v Speaker 2>But I mean no, it's just I mean, like, okay,

675
00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:47.119
<v Speaker 2>so they're talking about like, yeah, we're gonna play this

676
00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:49.839
<v Speaker 2>audio file. Oh, okay, let's play the audio file. All right?

677
00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:51.640
<v Speaker 2>You ready for the audio file? You're ready for the

678
00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:54.400
<v Speaker 2>audio file? Yeah, let's do it. All right, I'm playing

679
00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:59.160
<v Speaker 2>the audio file. Like when stuff is that ridiculous and

680
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:02.359
<v Speaker 2>not or at all, I feel like there's a reason

681
00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:05.160
<v Speaker 2>for it. It was almost as if they were reading

682
00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:09.599
<v Speaker 2>these lines rather than memorizing them. Yes, And I was like, okay, well,

683
00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:13.240
<v Speaker 2>there's there has to be a reason for this. There wasn't,

684
00:33:13.720 --> 00:33:14.599
<v Speaker 2>at least that I could tell.

685
00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:17.279
<v Speaker 1>I assumed he was evil, but that was that. That's

686
00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:19.160
<v Speaker 1>how bad it was, is that I was like, he

687
00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:22.759
<v Speaker 1>sounded like a mischievous NPR broadcast.

688
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:26.079
<v Speaker 2>Let me bring this up to her. Co host is

689
00:33:26.119 --> 00:33:30.799
<v Speaker 2>an American living in London, right, Yeah, they record this podcast.

690
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:32.319
<v Speaker 1>I said, yeah, I didn't remember any of that.

691
00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:35.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's in London because they talk about how he

692
00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:37.799
<v Speaker 2>wants her to visit him, and sure they record this

693
00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:41.559
<v Speaker 2>podcast at like three in the morning, right m hm,

694
00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:44.400
<v Speaker 2>which is like nine in the morning in London.

695
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:46.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, why couldn't they just do it?

696
00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:50.279
<v Speaker 2>The heck couldn't they do it at like four or

697
00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:53.319
<v Speaker 2>five London times so she can get a decent night's sleep.

698
00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:55.759
<v Speaker 2>It's not like she's caring for her dying mother or

699
00:33:55.759 --> 00:33:59.319
<v Speaker 2>anything and needs rest. I mean. And that's another thing,

700
00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:03.400
<v Speaker 2>like they we we see the clock like twice? What

701
00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:05.559
<v Speaker 2>was it more than twice? What was the movie with

702
00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:09.440
<v Speaker 2>Laura Lenny where it was all about the Witching Hour

703
00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:11.800
<v Speaker 2>And they've made a big deal of the clock turning

704
00:34:11.800 --> 00:34:14.639
<v Speaker 2>to three am every night because that's when these spirits

705
00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:17.239
<v Speaker 2>would come out. I think she was like a lawyer

706
00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:21.840
<v Speaker 2>or something and in the movie or a psychologists or something.

707
00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:22.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember.

708
00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:24.679
<v Speaker 1>Emily Rose, that's what it was.

709
00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:27.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it was something they made this huge deal

710
00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:30.960
<v Speaker 2>every time the clock turned the theater and they made

711
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:33.159
<v Speaker 2>kind of a big deal. And two or three times

712
00:34:33.199 --> 00:34:35.199
<v Speaker 2>at least in this film they showed the clock ticking

713
00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:37.920
<v Speaker 2>to two fifty five or two fifty six. Ben Did

714
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:38.639
<v Speaker 2>that have any meaning?

715
00:34:38.920 --> 00:34:41.519
<v Speaker 1>Not one bit? That's another highly revered one that I

716
00:34:41.599 --> 00:34:44.360
<v Speaker 1>was like, what the hell? What did I just watch

717
00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:45.960
<v Speaker 1>right now? I remember I was in high school. One

718
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:47.880
<v Speaker 1>of the first R rated movies I ever saw in

719
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:50.119
<v Speaker 1>a theater without my parents. Because you have to be

720
00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:53.119
<v Speaker 1>of a certain age, and uh, there wasn't a seat

721
00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:54.519
<v Speaker 1>in the house. I went on a date and we

722
00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:57.480
<v Speaker 1>got the last two seats from the theater for Exorcism

723
00:34:57.519 --> 00:34:59.239
<v Speaker 1>of Emily Rose. Like, oh, I think we got a

724
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:01.440
<v Speaker 1>banger here. Yeah, and of course the person I went

725
00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:04.480
<v Speaker 1>with was uninitiated. That was really scary. Yeah, No, totally.

726
00:35:04.639 --> 00:35:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The other aspect I wanted to bring up here

727
00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:11.920
<v Speaker 2>and we talk about not having that big payoff scare

728
00:35:11.960 --> 00:35:14.239
<v Speaker 2>at the end, right, which I think you could make

729
00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:17.079
<v Speaker 2>the case that there was a version of a payoff here.

730
00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:21.360
<v Speaker 2>I would contend there is not. There are three feelings

731
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:26.280
<v Speaker 2>I have when when I leave a horror movie after

732
00:35:26.320 --> 00:35:30.760
<v Speaker 2>the ultimate ending, right, Okay. One is this one where

733
00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:34.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm I just my muscles are still tense and and

734
00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:37.719
<v Speaker 2>it's like a gradual come down because my body and

735
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:40.719
<v Speaker 2>my mind was preparing for something sudden that never came.

736
00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:43.760
<v Speaker 2>There was no horror orgasm. There is no yeah, horrors,

737
00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:49.039
<v Speaker 2>there's no hororasm. Great name for this title of this episode,

738
00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:53.360
<v Speaker 2>so that's what they should have called it. No, that's

739
00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:57.079
<v Speaker 2>the executive like you know, like like uh, like what

740
00:35:57.119 --> 00:35:59.039
<v Speaker 2>do you what should we call this? And and uh,

741
00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:03.199
<v Speaker 2>one of the executives is like undertone like, oh yeah,

742
00:36:03.199 --> 00:36:07.360
<v Speaker 2>that sounds good, but uh uh Lyle the intern thinks

743
00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:12.079
<v Speaker 2>horror gas would be a better title for it anyway. Okay,

744
00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:17.519
<v Speaker 2>So that's one feeling. Another feeling is I'm like and that,

745
00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:20.039
<v Speaker 2>by the way, same feeling I had after Blair Witch Project,

746
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:23.960
<v Speaker 2>like yeah, with with my muscles and everything. Another one

747
00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:27.840
<v Speaker 2>is when you get the release and it's awesome and

748
00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:30.639
<v Speaker 2>you like come out of the field theater almost euphorick,

749
00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:33.840
<v Speaker 2>like you're telling your friend, oh my, that was awesome,

750
00:36:33.920 --> 00:36:36.840
<v Speaker 2>you know where you're just you're riding this wave of energy.

751
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:38.920
<v Speaker 2>You know that that paid off? Right, That's another one.

752
00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:43.679
<v Speaker 2>And then the last one is, uh.

753
00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:45.280
<v Speaker 1>That's the Devil's Rejects for me, by the way.

754
00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:47.519
<v Speaker 2>Reject it was there.

755
00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:49.519
<v Speaker 1>There was more than one, right, Yeah, that was the

756
00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:50.000
<v Speaker 1>second one.

757
00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:54.159
<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, and then the the sort of the

758
00:36:54.159 --> 00:37:00.159
<v Speaker 2>the last feeling I have is complete and total dread

759
00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:03.960
<v Speaker 2>where you wake up from a nightmare and you don't

760
00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:06.559
<v Speaker 2>want to move. You ever had that where you have

761
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:10.519
<v Speaker 2>a nightmare life and you just yeah, you feel like

762
00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:12.559
<v Speaker 2>it's like it's like you're hiding from the t Rex.

763
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:15.119
<v Speaker 2>As long as I don't move. Yeah, nothing can hurt me.

764
00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:18.440
<v Speaker 2>That's the other feeling, right, The last two feelings I

765
00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:23.679
<v Speaker 2>brought up so much better than this natural come down

766
00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:27.599
<v Speaker 2>where it's just like I get it's it's honestly aggravating,

767
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:34.239
<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's you know, what's the equivalent of being

768
00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:38.239
<v Speaker 2>disappointed with a horror movie as into sexual frustration. Yeah,

769
00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:42.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm sexually frustrated by the movie in a horror sense.

770
00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:46.679
<v Speaker 1>No, exactly. I couldn't agree with you more. It left

771
00:37:46.719 --> 00:37:49.280
<v Speaker 1>a lot to be desired, and like, while the last

772
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:51.599
<v Speaker 1>ten minutes were creepy, it wasn't.

773
00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:53.920
<v Speaker 2>Well I would I would contend that more than last

774
00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:59.119
<v Speaker 2>ten minutes were creepy really well with the figurine, right, Yeah,

775
00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:04.960
<v Speaker 2>I guess that's just the stuff when with her mother

776
00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:10.519
<v Speaker 2>and not being not everything being the same in the room,

777
00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:11.400
<v Speaker 2>trying not to spoil it.

778
00:38:11.519 --> 00:38:14.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know what's going on with that, sure.

779
00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the shots of her mother, the actual visual camera

780
00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:23.960
<v Speaker 2>shots of her mother in that bed. Again, sometimes I

781
00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:25.719
<v Speaker 2>think when you're waiting for something to happen, that can

782
00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:27.400
<v Speaker 2>be creepy in and of itself.

783
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:28.880
<v Speaker 1>For sure, and it for me a harken back. I

784
00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:31.480
<v Speaker 1>don't know who I was talking to about this out there?

785
00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:33.199
<v Speaker 2>Where was John Jordan's review of this film.

786
00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:35.159
<v Speaker 1>By the way, Yeah, he hasn't seen this now, and

787
00:38:35.199 --> 00:38:37.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to think. I don't think it was him

788
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:40.000
<v Speaker 1>who was talking about pet Cemetery with me. I don't

789
00:38:40.039 --> 00:38:42.079
<v Speaker 1>remember John Jordan. It was someone. Yeah, you would think

790
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:43.719
<v Speaker 1>now it might have been It might have been PJ.

791
00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:45.280
<v Speaker 1>Might have been Nick. I don't I don't know.

792
00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:51.039
<v Speaker 2>Who that was. Was it Heather? Heather, Heather whom I not? Heather? Laura?

793
00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:57.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, Laura, Laura Lee. Yeah, sorry, Laura, It's been

794
00:38:57.239 --> 00:39:01.239
<v Speaker 2>so long since I've talked to her. Yeah, Glauralle, don't

795
00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:01.719
<v Speaker 2>tell her this.

796
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:04.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I mean it's out of my hands. It's recorded.

797
00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:10.480
<v Speaker 1>But I say all that to say the mother.

798
00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:12.440
<v Speaker 2>Or you can call me Mitch. Next time you see

799
00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:13.559
<v Speaker 2>that the.

800
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:18.320
<v Speaker 1>Mother in pet Cemetery, the scene have you seen the

801
00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:22.199
<v Speaker 1>original pet Cemetery when you know the mom in the

802
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:26.000
<v Speaker 1>movie had like childhood memories of a sick aunt or

803
00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:28.400
<v Speaker 1>something like that, and then I'm sitting there at six

804
00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:31.320
<v Speaker 1>years old and you see this twisted up woman crawling

805
00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:34.000
<v Speaker 1>towards the camera and this that that is what my

806
00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:38.920
<v Speaker 1>mind harkened to watching Yesterday's thing. But again, maybe it's

807
00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:41.199
<v Speaker 1>because I was a child, Maybe it's because they did

808
00:39:41.239 --> 00:39:44.519
<v Speaker 1>it way creepier in pet cemetery, but her just laying

809
00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:48.480
<v Speaker 1>there more realistic. Absolutely, can people relate to that experience.

810
00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:53.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure in a horror it just I'm sure there

811
00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:55.920
<v Speaker 1>is a target audience. There are clearly people that gave

812
00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:58.039
<v Speaker 1>this five and four and a half stars that just

813
00:39:58.079 --> 00:39:59.599
<v Speaker 1>thought they saw pure cinema.

814
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:05.360
<v Speaker 2>It just so for you, the mother not creepy enough

815
00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:06.280
<v Speaker 2>for a horror movie.

816
00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:08.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it was just it was it was

817
00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:11.320
<v Speaker 1>more sad than it was creepy, you know what I mean?

818
00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:13.840
<v Speaker 1>Like that that's how I look at that. And there

819
00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:16.559
<v Speaker 1>was never again to bring it back to smile that

820
00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:19.239
<v Speaker 1>focuses on a sick mother, and they handled that the

821
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:22.079
<v Speaker 1>appropriate way. And I was sitting there like, man, I

822
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:25.840
<v Speaker 1>am uneasy for one hundred straight minutes, for one hundred minutes,

823
00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:28.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm sitting here waiting for shit to pop off, and

824
00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:31.360
<v Speaker 1>I love this feeling, and like that is what I'm

825
00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:31.920
<v Speaker 1>looking for.

826
00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:37.400
<v Speaker 2>Are you glad that I kind of told you what

827
00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:39.920
<v Speaker 2>I thought of this movie? Yes, prior because.

828
00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:42.800
<v Speaker 1>It lessened my expectations and they still weren't met, right,

829
00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:45.400
<v Speaker 1>And so that, I think though, provides me from not

830
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:47.920
<v Speaker 1>just completely suplexing this this movie.

831
00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:49.960
<v Speaker 2>And I think because I feel like if I wouldn't

832
00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:52.079
<v Speaker 2>have said anything to you about it, you would have

833
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:54.039
<v Speaker 2>been destroying everything about this movie.

834
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:56.320
<v Speaker 1>Our cold open would have been me MF and you

835
00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:59.800
<v Speaker 1>for not giving me ahead of Yeah, exactly how did

836
00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:02.559
<v Speaker 1>you not tell me? But like, and by the record,

837
00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:05.280
<v Speaker 1>my spider sentences were up on this because we for

838
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:06.800
<v Speaker 1>those of you listening, we had to put this off

839
00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:08.920
<v Speaker 1>for a week as a result of the snowstorm, and

840
00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:10.400
<v Speaker 1>part of me wanted to say to you, but I

841
00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:12.239
<v Speaker 1>let too much time go by. I'm like, since we

842
00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:14.079
<v Speaker 1>skipped a week, do you just want to do ready

843
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:17.480
<v Speaker 1>or not? And keep pace because I'm really not interested.

844
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:19.320
<v Speaker 1>And then you said that, and I was like, son

845
00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:21.440
<v Speaker 1>of a bitch, Yeah, should have so.

846
00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:26.440
<v Speaker 2>So in regards to this, what attracted I know, what's

847
00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:29.760
<v Speaker 2>what kind of attracted me too was the marketing. Yeah,

848
00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:33.840
<v Speaker 2>for the emphasis on the audio and uh and when

849
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:36.559
<v Speaker 2>we do Project Tail Mary in a few weeks, I

850
00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:38.199
<v Speaker 2>will have some things to say about the audio on

851
00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:38.880
<v Speaker 2>that movie too.

852
00:41:39.159 --> 00:41:41.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, on all practical effects already, I haven't even seen it,

853
00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:44.280
<v Speaker 1>and I know that going into it. There's no green screen,

854
00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:46.840
<v Speaker 1>blue screen, any of that stuff. They built the entire

855
00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:48.280
<v Speaker 1>Fitch thing, which is awesome.

856
00:41:48.360 --> 00:41:55.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Okay, Ultimately, I think we both let our imaginations

857
00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:59.760
<v Speaker 2>run wild on a film that had a half million

858
00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:05.960
<v Speaker 2>dollar budget with a rookie director, a basically unheard of cast,

859
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:12.199
<v Speaker 2>almost exclusively unheard of cast, with one physical character in

860
00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:15.280
<v Speaker 2>it because of the rest twos, no, there's more than two.

861
00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:18.039
<v Speaker 2>There was the host, and there's audio files.

862
00:42:18.079 --> 00:42:19.639
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, and then a couple of callers.

863
00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:22.280
<v Speaker 2>Right sure, the callers I don't count, but the two

864
00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:27.840
<v Speaker 2>people on the audio files, her host and her boyfriend. Yeah,

865
00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:33.800
<v Speaker 2>that's that's basically it. I think that kudos to the

866
00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:38.119
<v Speaker 2>marketing team because it sucked us in, but ultimately we're disappointed.

867
00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:40.920
<v Speaker 2>And what do they care because they got our tech

868
00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:43.360
<v Speaker 2>balks or fifteen bucks at that point, you know what

869
00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:43.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean?

870
00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:47.000
<v Speaker 1>So can I can I just say, I'm pretty sure

871
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:49.639
<v Speaker 1>at the movie theater that I go to, they are

872
00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:55.000
<v Speaker 1>encouraged not to tell you the movie sucked because they

873
00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:57.199
<v Speaker 1>obviously don't want to be like, oh yeah, never mind.

874
00:42:57.519 --> 00:42:59.480
<v Speaker 1>So they always and a lot of them go and

875
00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:01.280
<v Speaker 1>see all of the movies because they can do it

876
00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:03.000
<v Speaker 1>for free. It's one of the perks of working there.

877
00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:05.719
<v Speaker 1>And I went in and the woman who always gives

878
00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:07.519
<v Speaker 1>me my ticket is like, so, what is it today?

879
00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:09.719
<v Speaker 1>And I went I'm taking a risk with this one,

880
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:11.960
<v Speaker 1>and she goes, what's that and I went undertone and

881
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:14.079
<v Speaker 1>she just made a face and I was like that

882
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:16.360
<v Speaker 1>bad huh And she's like, well, what was the face?

883
00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:21.039
<v Speaker 1>Like like like like it's like you know, yes. Then

884
00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:24.840
<v Speaker 1>the manager of the movie theaters saw me and stop me,

885
00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:27.519
<v Speaker 1>because she always likes to talk to me. I start

886
00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:29.239
<v Speaker 1>talking to her and she's like, what is it this time?

887
00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:34.079
<v Speaker 1>And I said undertone and she's like, oh, okay.

888
00:43:33.800 --> 00:43:36.159
<v Speaker 2>She expected I mean what what what I mean? The

889
00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:39.400
<v Speaker 2>again another big reason why we chose this. There wasn't

890
00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:41.079
<v Speaker 2>a whole lot else coming out that weekend.

891
00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah no, no, absolutely.

892
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:44.360
<v Speaker 2>But so what are these people thinking? You're going to

893
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:45.639
<v Speaker 2>see Hail Mary Sir?

894
00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:47.840
<v Speaker 1>Is that not even out? Yeah? Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah

895
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:51.239
<v Speaker 1>yeah yeah yeah uh or probably ready or not? Which

896
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:54.760
<v Speaker 1>are next two movies there are probably up there that

897
00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:57.360
<v Speaker 1>those obviously would have been more in our wheelhouse here.

898
00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:01.239
<v Speaker 1>And then I was like, yeah, independent film and like

899
00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:03.119
<v Speaker 1>one of them even like said that. After I said, like,

900
00:44:03.159 --> 00:44:05.639
<v Speaker 1>it's an independent film, she goes, it is an independent film,

901
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:07.880
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, and I like to give those

902
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:09.960
<v Speaker 1>those flicks a shot, even though there's a chance I

903
00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:12.800
<v Speaker 1>might come out of it. Absolutely, I'd rather hate something

904
00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:16.199
<v Speaker 1>rolling the dice than be like that was average, going

905
00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:18.960
<v Speaker 1>with the safe bet that. That's always been my attitude

906
00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:19.360
<v Speaker 1>in movies.

907
00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:22.519
<v Speaker 2>I feel like independent film and wide release, for the

908
00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:24.920
<v Speaker 2>most part, not always clearly not in this case. Yeah,

909
00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:29.320
<v Speaker 2>it cancels each other out, you know, like, oh, it's

910
00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:31.320
<v Speaker 2>an independent film. You're like, eh, but it did get

911
00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:31.960
<v Speaker 2>a wide release.

912
00:44:32.599 --> 00:44:36.039
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, you independent film isn't to me, like like

913
00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:37.519
<v Speaker 1>there there's plenty of times when I.

914
00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:40.280
<v Speaker 2>Know it is to me because I'm playing the odds

915
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:44.280
<v Speaker 2>because most independent film is not very good. Yeah, but

916
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:46.079
<v Speaker 2>then you get that every once in a while you

917
00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:46.800
<v Speaker 2>get that banger.

918
00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:50.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah you're like, yes, was an independent film. Yeah, yeah,

919
00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:53.360
<v Speaker 1>you know it seems like you enjoyed that of a

920
00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:56.159
<v Speaker 1>violent nature. Made me want to die. And I was

921
00:44:56.360 --> 00:44:58.719
<v Speaker 1>there for an hour and a half and like, do

922
00:44:58.719 --> 00:45:01.119
<v Speaker 1>you know what that is? It's like literally from the perspective,

923
00:45:01.159 --> 00:45:03.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, how you'd watch a Friday the thirteenth movie,

924
00:45:03.360 --> 00:45:06.400
<v Speaker 1>and like the teenager'd be running for thirty seven thirty minutes,

925
00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:09.400
<v Speaker 1>fall over, and then Jason, who has never moved beyond

926
00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:11.800
<v Speaker 1>not even a brisk walk, just the slowest walk you

927
00:45:11.840 --> 00:45:14.800
<v Speaker 1>could possibly imagine, is right behind her the second she

928
00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:18.400
<v Speaker 1>falls over. Despite running that pace, this movie is basically like,

929
00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:22.400
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna follow Jason instead, And it's just like the

930
00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:26.079
<v Speaker 1>sauntering of a dude in a mask who was raised

931
00:45:26.079 --> 00:45:29.079
<v Speaker 1>from the dead, and the whole movie is from his perspective.

932
00:45:29.320 --> 00:45:32.039
<v Speaker 1>So you'd see the teenagers in the cabin, there'd be

933
00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:33.679
<v Speaker 1>five or six of them, and like there was clearly

934
00:45:33.719 --> 00:45:36.599
<v Speaker 1>some kind of relationship drama. You never get the whole

935
00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:39.639
<v Speaker 1>story or a satisfying conclusion, because as soon as the

936
00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:42.000
<v Speaker 1>guy walks away from the window, you no longer hear

937
00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:44.039
<v Speaker 1>any more of that dialogue. It's not like the camera

938
00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:46.440
<v Speaker 1>stays there. Sounds like a cool idea, right, I was like,

939
00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:48.199
<v Speaker 1>all right, let's see where this goes.

940
00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:52.719
<v Speaker 2>Nope, No, you know there's I actually wrote a paper

941
00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:55.480
<v Speaker 2>on this back in college. There's this old Japanese film

942
00:45:55.519 --> 00:45:58.440
<v Speaker 2>called Raschaman Okay, and it's about this murder. This came

943
00:45:58.480 --> 00:46:00.719
<v Speaker 2>out in like the forties or the third's or something

944
00:46:02.119 --> 00:46:05.480
<v Speaker 2>maybe even earlier. I don't I can't remember. This guy

945
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:09.480
<v Speaker 2>gets murdered and nobody knows like what happened, right, So

946
00:46:09.599 --> 00:46:12.840
<v Speaker 2>they're trying to figure out and and the same murder

947
00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:16.559
<v Speaker 2>scene is shown like four or five different ways, from

948
00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:20.679
<v Speaker 2>four or five different perspectives, and dependent upon the perspective,

949
00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:25.719
<v Speaker 2>you think you know what happened, right, And so this

950
00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:28.199
<v Speaker 2>is like now, it's become a thing in cinema called

951
00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:30.440
<v Speaker 2>the rash amount effect where we see this and I

952
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:32.880
<v Speaker 2>think you and I have talked about this too, where

953
00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:35.239
<v Speaker 2>we see was it was there a Terrence Howard movie

954
00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:37.880
<v Speaker 2>or what were we talking about where it was like

955
00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:40.840
<v Speaker 2>a shooting and it was told from all these different perspectives.

956
00:46:40.840 --> 00:46:43.000
<v Speaker 2>It was like a fairly new movie, like within the

957
00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:44.119
<v Speaker 2>last twenty years or so.

958
00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:46.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, vantage point, vantage point.

959
00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:49.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah Forrest Whitaker, maybe he's Okay, who did I say,

960
00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:58.320
<v Speaker 2>Terrence Howard? I'm such a racist? So so any so,

961
00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:04.440
<v Speaker 2>anyway that that would have been cool, Yeah, had you

962
00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:10.199
<v Speaker 2>had the killertive.

963
00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:12.320
<v Speaker 1>Last, yes, and you had the rest of the story.

964
00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:14.360
<v Speaker 1>To me, it just seems like you couldn't think of

965
00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:15.360
<v Speaker 1>a story.

966
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:17.400
<v Speaker 2>Think of the cool things you could have done yeah,

967
00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:21.880
<v Speaker 2>knowing all the stories right, and then the killer doing

968
00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:25.280
<v Speaker 2>something like, oh, that's awesome because of this person.

969
00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:27.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly I could have been that, but it wasn't,

970
00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:32.280
<v Speaker 1>and that got all these accolades. Uh A violent of

971
00:47:32.599 --> 00:47:34.199
<v Speaker 1>or wait, a violent nature?

972
00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:35.000
<v Speaker 2>A violent nature?

973
00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:40.159
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and like it's not. I realized this is about undertone.

974
00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:42.039
<v Speaker 1>If I can just bitch one more second about this.

975
00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:47.519
<v Speaker 1>They also really didn't add any music, so like design, yes, yeah,

976
00:47:47.519 --> 00:47:49.719
<v Speaker 1>but like so in a Friday the Thirteenth movie, there's

977
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:54.559
<v Speaker 1>one where like someone sticks metal into Jason's coffin and

978
00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:57.639
<v Speaker 1>then lightning strikes it and that kind of like resuscitates,

979
00:47:57.639 --> 00:48:00.639
<v Speaker 1>somebody comes to life in the intense organ is playing

980
00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:04.639
<v Speaker 1>and all these dramatic sound effects. In of a Violent Nature,

981
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:07.760
<v Speaker 1>there is a camera focused on a gold necklace hanging

982
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:10.480
<v Speaker 1>from a tree branch which belonged to the mother of

983
00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:13.239
<v Speaker 1>whatever the hell that thing is. In the ground, someone

984
00:48:13.400 --> 00:48:15.039
<v Speaker 1>is like doing something in the woods. They see it,

985
00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:17.119
<v Speaker 1>they're like oh, and they scoop it and they just

986
00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:19.679
<v Speaker 1>walk away, and then the camera focuses on the ground

987
00:48:19.679 --> 00:48:23.039
<v Speaker 1>where nothing is happening for probably about ninety straight seconds,

988
00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:26.360
<v Speaker 1>and then slowly you start to see the earth move

989
00:48:26.559 --> 00:48:30.800
<v Speaker 1>and this thing climbs out. No music, no fanfare, no nothing.

990
00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:34.119
<v Speaker 1>It just climbs out and just starts walking, just starts

991
00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:37.960
<v Speaker 1>walking towards wherever that gold necklace ended up going. And

992
00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:40.800
<v Speaker 1>like that's how the movie starts. That's literally I'm describing

993
00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:43.440
<v Speaker 1>the first five minutes of the movie too. There's almost

994
00:48:43.480 --> 00:48:46.039
<v Speaker 1>no dialogue. I would say it's close to sixty minutes.

995
00:48:46.119 --> 00:48:48.239
<v Speaker 1>I went to go see it with Jason Slade from

996
00:48:48.320 --> 00:48:51.800
<v Speaker 1>KISSFM and then Jeff our former videographer. Yeah, it got

997
00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:54.280
<v Speaker 1>to the point where at one point Jeff and I

998
00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:56.880
<v Speaker 1>and it's a quiet movie. It's like watching Castaway with

999
00:48:56.920 --> 00:48:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Tom Hanks. There's no sound, there's no nothing. We were

1000
00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:02.440
<v Speaker 1>laughing hysterically because we couldn't believe an how we're into

1001
00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:05.760
<v Speaker 1>the movie what we were watching, And like you roll

1002
00:49:05.800 --> 00:49:08.400
<v Speaker 1>the dice going to see an independent movie, that's the case.

1003
00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Like I could not because it's just step step tree branch,

1004
00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:17.360
<v Speaker 1>crack step step, you know, step in a puddle, step

1005
00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:20.880
<v Speaker 1>in a puddle, step like get out of here, this

1006
00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:21.599
<v Speaker 1>is what we're watching.

1007
00:49:21.639 --> 00:49:23.599
<v Speaker 2>You know. What's funny about that is like you know,

1008
00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:26.519
<v Speaker 2>you think about your expectations going like if you if

1009
00:49:26.679 --> 00:49:30.039
<v Speaker 2>if you knew this as an independent film, it obviously

1010
00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:32.519
<v Speaker 2>changes the way you look at it, where you could

1011
00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:35.559
<v Speaker 2>be watching the exact same thing, but if you knew

1012
00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:38.960
<v Speaker 2>it was directed by Quentin Tarantino, it would have a

1013
00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:41.840
<v Speaker 2>whole different effect. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like

1014
00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:43.960
<v Speaker 2>even though you're watching the exact same.

1015
00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:47.360
<v Speaker 1>Thing, and to that point, the violence, because it's of

1016
00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:50.320
<v Speaker 1>a violent nature. Yeah, and I'm sure that's that they

1017
00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:53.159
<v Speaker 1>tried to punctuate that way. Like one woman's doing yoga

1018
00:49:53.199 --> 00:49:55.559
<v Speaker 1>and this guy grabs her by the hair, bends her

1019
00:49:55.599 --> 00:49:58.239
<v Speaker 1>backwards at the spine, and then pulls her head through

1020
00:49:58.320 --> 00:50:01.239
<v Speaker 1>her stomach. Oh my, you can picture that, and they

1021
00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:07.280
<v Speaker 1>show it pretty aggressively. And just to aside, he like

1022
00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:09.639
<v Speaker 1>grabs her and he pulls, bends her backwards and then

1023
00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:12.000
<v Speaker 1>grabs her through her stomach and pulls her through the

1024
00:50:12.039 --> 00:50:13.599
<v Speaker 1>other side, and we all couldn't.

1025
00:50:13.280 --> 00:50:15.920
<v Speaker 2>Start reaching through her stomach and yeah, and then.

1026
00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Pulls her through. Like There's a lot of moments like that,

1027
00:50:20.199 --> 00:50:24.480
<v Speaker 1>and they punctuate nothing just nothing happening. Any of the

1028
00:50:24.519 --> 00:50:27.760
<v Speaker 1>other times that's independent films. I would have loved a

1029
00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:30.039
<v Speaker 1>head being pulled through a stomach in this That might

1030
00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:33.639
<v Speaker 1>have recaptured my attention forty minutes in. Yeah, there is

1031
00:50:33.719 --> 00:50:37.079
<v Speaker 1>no moment like that. There's nothing, nothing.

1032
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:40.920
<v Speaker 2>I I think it would have been cheap to throw

1033
00:50:40.960 --> 00:50:41.599
<v Speaker 2>something like that.

1034
00:50:41.679 --> 00:50:44.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it absolutely would have. I'm being tongue in cheek now,

1035
00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:48.159
<v Speaker 1>but I'm saying there was no more. There was no equivalent. Again,

1036
00:50:48.440 --> 00:50:53.039
<v Speaker 1>I equate yesterday's undertone to to like the Conjuring. I

1037
00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:55.360
<v Speaker 1>don't even like the Conjuring movies, but there are moments

1038
00:50:55.400 --> 00:50:57.880
<v Speaker 1>like when the Crooked Man pops up. You're like, like,

1039
00:50:57.920 --> 00:50:59.760
<v Speaker 1>what was that? And like he does he barely even

1040
00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:01.599
<v Speaker 1>has to do anything, and she just has to be there,

1041
00:51:01.599 --> 00:51:02.320
<v Speaker 1>and You're like, oh my.

1042
00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:04.800
<v Speaker 2>God, Well, isn't that the one with the Red Demon

1043
00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:07.639
<v Speaker 2>or whatever? Or is that something that is that is?

1044
00:51:08.559 --> 00:51:11.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, how do I I've seen that movie

1045
00:51:11.519 --> 00:51:14.880
<v Speaker 1>three times. I'm blanking on the names.

1046
00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:19.440
<v Speaker 2>Just google Red Demon, Insidious. I don't even Yeah, that's

1047
00:51:19.440 --> 00:51:22.840
<v Speaker 2>what it is. Yes, all right, I have nothing.

1048
00:51:23.039 --> 00:51:26.719
<v Speaker 1>And for the record, Insidious is another possession, one that

1049
00:51:26.840 --> 00:51:30.400
<v Speaker 1>actually captivated me. So just to say it can be done.

1050
00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:32.639
<v Speaker 1>These guys are bad. I have nothing to say.

1051
00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:34.800
<v Speaker 2>Do you struggle just before we wrap the again, do

1052
00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:38.320
<v Speaker 2>you struggle with watching films like The Exorcists. Now given

1053
00:51:38.599 --> 00:51:40.840
<v Speaker 2>everything that we can do, not we, but everything that

1054
00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:41.880
<v Speaker 2>filmmakers can do with.

1055
00:51:41.880 --> 00:51:45.519
<v Speaker 1>The original exercise, I'd argue there are moments in that

1056
00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:47.880
<v Speaker 1>movie that have yet to be recreated again, and it

1057
00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:50.480
<v Speaker 1>actually makes me mad that no one is copying some

1058
00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:53.679
<v Speaker 1>of them, like the random. The closest comparison I can

1059
00:51:53.719 --> 00:51:56.360
<v Speaker 1>make is Fight Club, where they would flash subliminal images

1060
00:51:56.400 --> 00:51:57.559
<v Speaker 1>of you, but they just like hit you with a

1061
00:51:57.639 --> 00:52:02.039
<v Speaker 1>random satan face like nowhere, Like there's like in a cupboard,

1062
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:04.719
<v Speaker 1>there's like he's like what he hell? Like I wish

1063
00:52:04.760 --> 00:52:06.840
<v Speaker 1>movies did that kind of stuff, just like let you

1064
00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:11.679
<v Speaker 1>in Bulky's Favorite Cabin in the Woods. There's a point where.

1065
00:52:11.599 --> 00:52:14.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't call it sarcastically my favorite because I did

1066
00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:15.000
<v Speaker 2>like that movie.

1067
00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:17.199
<v Speaker 1>But at one point, what's the main dude who's in

1068
00:52:17.239 --> 00:52:19.480
<v Speaker 1>the underground facility? The older guy? I don't know what.

1069
00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:22.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well it's Richard Jenkins and it's the guy from

1070
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:27.039
<v Speaker 2>Billy Madison. Yeah yeah, Bradley Bradley Woodford. Richard Jenkins looks

1071
00:52:27.039 --> 00:52:28.760
<v Speaker 2>at me and goes, are you even listening to me?

1072
00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:31.440
<v Speaker 2>And then the title pops up with the loudest noise

1073
00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:34.719
<v Speaker 2>because they've been rambling for so long that you're kind

1074
00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:36.320
<v Speaker 2>of zoning out and then it hits you and you

1075
00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:38.719
<v Speaker 2>kind of jump back in. And it's so well done

1076
00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:41.440
<v Speaker 2>because it's a brilliant movie and there is no He

1077
00:52:41.559 --> 00:52:45.079
<v Speaker 2>is such a good actor for like what he gets.

1078
00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:47.840
<v Speaker 2>He's he's so easy. Oh yeah, he's a he's a

1079
00:52:47.960 --> 00:52:48.679
<v Speaker 2>chameleon man.

1080
00:52:48.760 --> 00:52:50.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he could be in a comedy with a step brothers.

1081
00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:54.400
<v Speaker 2>Good. He's done. So he was. He was in that

1082
00:52:54.480 --> 00:52:57.800
<v Speaker 2>Africa movie. I don't know how many years ago this

1083
00:52:57.920 --> 00:52:59.639
<v Speaker 2>was now where he was. I think he got nominated

1084
00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:01.039
<v Speaker 2>for a Cat to Me Award, but he didn't win

1085
00:53:01.119 --> 00:53:04.559
<v Speaker 2>for Best Actor. But he was the patriarch on Six

1086
00:53:04.599 --> 00:53:06.960
<v Speaker 2>Feet Under for all those years too. I didn't watch it.

1087
00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:09.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm familiar with it. Yeah, there's a bunch if I

1088
00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:13.320
<v Speaker 1>thought about it. Yeah, he's been all over he's he's

1089
00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:15.239
<v Speaker 1>definitely he's.

1090
00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:18.480
<v Speaker 2>Uh. I'd love to see a movie with him and

1091
00:53:18.760 --> 00:53:21.880
<v Speaker 2>Stanley Tucci, you know, because I think they play off

1092
00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:23.800
<v Speaker 2>each other well. But I think it'd just be overkilled

1093
00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:28.360
<v Speaker 2>because they're they're so similar as far as actors and stuff.

1094
00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:30.719
<v Speaker 2>I was watching the other day, I was watching this,

1095
00:53:32.239 --> 00:53:33.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, the movie Spotlight.

1096
00:53:33.719 --> 00:53:34.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1097
00:53:35.320 --> 00:53:38.119
<v Speaker 2>Uh. And there's a scene with Stanley Tucci and Mark

1098
00:53:38.199 --> 00:53:41.719
<v Speaker 2>Ruffalo where Mark Ruffalo is learning about how the Catholic

1099
00:53:41.840 --> 00:53:46.400
<v Speaker 2>Church removed these documents from public record, you know, and

1100
00:53:46.400 --> 00:53:50.519
<v Speaker 2>and and ruff and Tucci's explaining this to to to Ruffalo,

1101
00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:54.280
<v Speaker 2>and Ruffalo is like, what you're essing me? Only didn't say,

1102
00:53:54.360 --> 00:53:57.079
<v Speaker 2>and Tucci just stops and goes, what, No, I'm not

1103
00:53:57.360 --> 00:54:01.000
<v Speaker 2>essing you just it was so it was so matter.

1104
00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:04.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm just like, who delivers that line? But stalely Tucci. Anyway,

1105
00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:05.199
<v Speaker 2>moving on.

1106
00:54:06.800 --> 00:54:08.920
<v Speaker 1>For the review here, I still have the reviews up

1107
00:54:08.920 --> 00:54:12.320
<v Speaker 1>from Rotten Tomatoes. The Bee gave it a half a

1108
00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:15.760
<v Speaker 1>star out of five and said stage four pancreatic cancer.

1109
00:54:15.880 --> 00:54:18.239
<v Speaker 1>And that's it for the view. I'm not willing to

1110
00:54:18.239 --> 00:54:20.280
<v Speaker 1>go that far, but I'd say three.

1111
00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:23.760
<v Speaker 2>That's what I was. I had three. I just I

1112
00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:28.559
<v Speaker 2>couldn't couldn't get into it. Sometimes after the film, I'll watch,

1113
00:54:28.880 --> 00:54:30.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'll watch a film and I'll be like, oh,

1114
00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:32.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, this is cool. I should have paid more

1115
00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:34.760
<v Speaker 2>attention to this. Now I understand this, and I'll go

1116
00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:36.960
<v Speaker 2>back and I'll rewatch it and I'll actually enjoy it

1117
00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:39.679
<v Speaker 2>the second time. No, desire to rewatch this. I just

1118
00:54:39.760 --> 00:54:41.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm not putting myself through it again.

1119
00:54:41.199 --> 00:54:46.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's no scenario where I see this movie again. Conversely,

1120
00:54:46.119 --> 00:54:48.320
<v Speaker 1>and I don't want to jinx it. I've looked nothing

1121
00:54:48.519 --> 00:54:50.480
<v Speaker 1>up about this, and I don't know if you ever

1122
00:54:50.519 --> 00:54:52.320
<v Speaker 1>or not either, but ready or not? Two is the

1123
00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:55.039
<v Speaker 1>next one, in my opinion, the first one hell of

1124
00:54:55.079 --> 00:54:58.480
<v Speaker 1>a sleeper. Very you haven't seen the first one yet, No,

1125
00:54:58.559 --> 00:55:00.280
<v Speaker 1>I have to watch. Okay, cool that. I won't say

1126
00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:03.880
<v Speaker 1>anything beyond that. Pleasantly surprised by the first one. Is

1127
00:55:03.880 --> 00:55:06.159
<v Speaker 1>it a lightning in the bottle scenario or can they

1128
00:55:06.159 --> 00:55:10.000
<v Speaker 1>recreate it twice? We'll find out. But the I'm very excited.

1129
00:55:10.280 --> 00:55:13.280
<v Speaker 1>Samorrow Weaving, who is the main actress in that. She

1130
00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:16.320
<v Speaker 1>is in the Babysitter movies. She was in Borderline with

1131
00:55:16.400 --> 00:55:18.679
<v Speaker 1>Jack Nicholson's kid. I can't think of his name right now.

1132
00:55:18.719 --> 00:55:21.840
<v Speaker 2>She was look her up right now on Wikipedia or IMDb.

1133
00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:26.519
<v Speaker 2>She just got added to the cast of some big

1134
00:55:26.559 --> 00:55:33.119
<v Speaker 2>television show or maybe it was a sequel, like I

1135
00:55:33.159 --> 00:55:34.760
<v Speaker 2>can't think of what it was now, but I was like,

1136
00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:36.800
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, she's in this. Kamonos is just telling

1137
00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:40.000
<v Speaker 2>me about She is from Oh, what were you watching?

1138
00:55:40.119 --> 00:55:42.239
<v Speaker 2>Was she in the intro scene to Scream? Is that

1139
00:55:42.320 --> 00:55:44.440
<v Speaker 2>what it was? Sick Scream? Yeah, that's what it was. Yeah,

1140
00:55:44.599 --> 00:55:47.039
<v Speaker 2>you're just telling me I watched. She didn't just get

1141
00:55:47.079 --> 00:55:49.280
<v Speaker 2>added to it. It just happened for me because I

1142
00:55:49.320 --> 00:55:50.559
<v Speaker 2>just watched Screams.

1143
00:55:50.199 --> 00:55:52.159
<v Speaker 1>And I don't think it's any coincidence. It's the same

1144
00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:54.280
<v Speaker 1>reason they put Drew Barrymore in the first one is

1145
00:55:54.280 --> 00:55:57.639
<v Speaker 1>because tomorrow Weaving very quietly is becoming the scream Queen

1146
00:55:57.679 --> 00:55:59.880
<v Speaker 1>of the twenty twenties. If she's in it. It's kind

1147
00:55:59.880 --> 00:56:02.320
<v Speaker 1>of like, from my perspective, I'm like, well, I'm at

1148
00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:04.079
<v Speaker 1>least going to see it. It doesn't mean it's gonna

1149
00:56:04.079 --> 00:56:05.679
<v Speaker 1>be great, but I will probably see it if she's

1150
00:56:05.719 --> 00:56:09.119
<v Speaker 1>in it, because I normally find myself entertained by whatever

1151
00:56:09.199 --> 00:56:10.920
<v Speaker 1>she decides to attach herself to.

1152
00:56:11.280 --> 00:56:12.880
<v Speaker 2>By the way, before we wrap, are we gonna do

1153
00:56:12.920 --> 00:56:13.440
<v Speaker 2>Scream seven?

1154
00:56:13.480 --> 00:56:15.119
<v Speaker 1>By the way, if we are, we have to do

1155
00:56:15.159 --> 00:56:16.920
<v Speaker 1>it really quick. I mean, now that you're caught up,

1156
00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:18.280
<v Speaker 1>i'd do it, but I feel like we'd have to

1157
00:56:18.320 --> 00:56:20.280
<v Speaker 1>do that next week because I can't imagine it's gonna

1158
00:56:20.280 --> 00:56:21.559
<v Speaker 1>be sticking around much longer.

1159
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:24.800
<v Speaker 2>I was actually surprised. I was at the theater the

1160
00:56:24.800 --> 00:56:27.280
<v Speaker 2>other day. I was surprised that it was still there. Yeah,

1161
00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:30.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, I guess it did well at the box office. Well,

1162
00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:31.119
<v Speaker 2>we could skip it.

1163
00:56:31.119 --> 00:56:32.639
<v Speaker 1>It's fine, okay.

1164
00:56:32.360 --> 00:56:34.280
<v Speaker 2>Wall, we don't have to. I mean, if we're really

1165
00:56:34.360 --> 00:56:36.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to watch it with my son because it's

1166
00:56:36.400 --> 00:56:37.679
<v Speaker 2>the only one we haven't seen yet.

1167
00:56:37.960 --> 00:56:39.639
<v Speaker 1>I do want to ask before we wrapped it up,

1168
00:56:39.679 --> 00:56:43.840
<v Speaker 1>because as someone who's like kind of removed from Scream, Yeah,

1169
00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:46.320
<v Speaker 1>I found Scream six to have a lot of contrivances,

1170
00:56:46.320 --> 00:56:48.679
<v Speaker 1>but I also really enjoyed it. It is someone watching

1171
00:56:48.760 --> 00:56:51.400
<v Speaker 1>it who doesn't have like that sweet spot yeah for Scream,

1172
00:56:51.440 --> 00:56:52.920
<v Speaker 1>What did you think of the sixth one?

1173
00:56:54.360 --> 00:57:00.199
<v Speaker 2>Scream six is widely regarded as one of the best

1174
00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:02.719
<v Speaker 2>Scream movies by critics.

1175
00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:04.559
<v Speaker 1>And that's madness because there's a lot of holes in

1176
00:57:04.599 --> 00:57:06.199
<v Speaker 1>that plot that make no freaking sense.

1177
00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:08.960
<v Speaker 2>I think I'm thinking of the it ends in the

1178
00:57:09.079 --> 00:57:13.079
<v Speaker 2>sort of like the museum. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you

1179
00:57:13.239 --> 00:57:15.719
<v Speaker 2>if you look at go on Wikipedia, it's one of

1180
00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:18.840
<v Speaker 2>the first things that says is this was this. Everybody

1181
00:57:18.920 --> 00:57:19.159
<v Speaker 2>loved this.

1182
00:57:19.280 --> 00:57:21.599
<v Speaker 1>When I was a child, I watched I loved the

1183
00:57:21.639 --> 00:57:24.559
<v Speaker 1>Gremlins movies with like Gizmo and all that shit. And

1184
00:57:24.599 --> 00:57:26.719
<v Speaker 1>in the first when it ends with Spike the leader

1185
00:57:26.760 --> 00:57:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Gremlin and like, he's been terrifying your child, he's been

1186
00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:31.519
<v Speaker 1>terrifying the main character in the main family the whole movie.

1187
00:57:31.760 --> 00:57:33.199
<v Speaker 1>And in the last scene they're like, how do you

1188
00:57:33.280 --> 00:57:35.000
<v Speaker 1>up the anny one more time? And they give him

1189
00:57:35.039 --> 00:57:36.039
<v Speaker 1>a gun, And.

1190
00:57:35.960 --> 00:57:39.400
<v Speaker 3>Ever since, ever since that sequence, even as a child,

1191
00:57:39.480 --> 00:57:41.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, well, that's such an obvious progression that I

1192
00:57:41.880 --> 00:57:45.039
<v Speaker 3>can't believe more movies than take And then Scream six,

1193
00:57:45.079 --> 00:57:47.639
<v Speaker 3>when they're moving around the convenience store and all of

1194
00:57:47.679 --> 00:57:49.719
<v Speaker 3>a sudden, ghost Face pulls out a shotgun. I'm like,

1195
00:57:49.760 --> 00:57:53.239
<v Speaker 3>what an obvious move to make that they've never done until.

1196
00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:56.199
<v Speaker 2>This, but because it's so much scared, but because it

1197
00:57:56.239 --> 00:58:01.199
<v Speaker 2>didn't match up with the the the edgen right, no,

1198
00:58:01.480 --> 00:58:06.199
<v Speaker 2>all you know that that's what my son he he

1199
00:58:06.280 --> 00:58:08.719
<v Speaker 2>loves trying to figure out who the killer is, you know,

1200
00:58:09.719 --> 00:58:11.920
<v Speaker 2>and basically he's like, oh, it's him. Oh it's hurt

1201
00:58:11.960 --> 00:58:14.639
<v Speaker 2>like everybody, Yeah, of course you know that. And then

1202
00:58:14.679 --> 00:58:16.400
<v Speaker 2>in Scream six, I feel like I can spoil this

1203
00:58:16.400 --> 00:58:19.119
<v Speaker 2>because it's been out a few years. Right in Scream six,

1204
00:58:19.159 --> 00:58:21.639
<v Speaker 2>he did think that the tall kid with the curly hair,

1205
00:58:21.719 --> 00:58:24.920
<v Speaker 2>the roommate of what's his name, he did say it

1206
00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:28.039
<v Speaker 2>was him, okay, but he never said Dermott mulroney, and

1207
00:58:28.079 --> 00:58:32.519
<v Speaker 2>he never said the girl the room right. Yeah, the

1208
00:58:32.599 --> 00:58:35.440
<v Speaker 2>movie he never well, I wasn't seven minutes, but he

1209
00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:38.199
<v Speaker 2>never which was awesome because I think, like, you know,

1210
00:58:38.480 --> 00:58:41.559
<v Speaker 2>this is the sixth iteration of it, and my kid,

1211
00:58:41.559 --> 00:58:44.199
<v Speaker 2>who's definitely into it, he he couldn't you know where

1212
00:58:44.239 --> 00:58:46.679
<v Speaker 2>this is, like why he watches it is trying to

1213
00:58:46.719 --> 00:58:49.280
<v Speaker 2>figure it out. He couldn't figure it out.

1214
00:58:49.320 --> 00:58:51.280
<v Speaker 1>So why I liked to give you some insight it

1215
00:58:51.320 --> 00:58:53.360
<v Speaker 1>might make you like the movie more Because I obviously

1216
00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:55.880
<v Speaker 1>grew up on the original trilogy. I was twelve years

1217
00:58:55.880 --> 00:58:57.920
<v Speaker 1>old when the third one came out, so that should

1218
00:58:57.920 --> 00:58:58.119
<v Speaker 1>put in.

1219
00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:01.519
<v Speaker 2>I might have shared this with you just real quickly.

1220
00:59:01.599 --> 00:59:02.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1221
00:59:03.800 --> 00:59:05.880
<v Speaker 2>I a bunch of my friends we were seeing a

1222
00:59:05.920 --> 00:59:08.119
<v Speaker 2>movie one day and then somebody else went like, oh,

1223
00:59:08.119 --> 00:59:09.840
<v Speaker 2>I want to see this movie. I'm like, I'll go

1224
00:59:09.880 --> 00:59:12.440
<v Speaker 2>see that movie with you, and whatever happened, like we

1225
00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:15.039
<v Speaker 2>could we all had to see like my two separate

1226
00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:17.039
<v Speaker 2>sets of friends had to see it on the same day.

1227
00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:19.400
<v Speaker 2>But it's two different movies, but I bought tickets for everybody.

1228
00:59:19.559 --> 00:59:22.280
<v Speaker 2>So I ended up buying like eight tickets, four for

1229
00:59:22.400 --> 00:59:25.840
<v Speaker 2>Scream the original Scream huh, and then four for Beavis

1230
00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:28.480
<v Speaker 2>and butt Head Do America. And we said, and I

1231
00:59:28.480 --> 00:59:30.639
<v Speaker 2>saw both of those, like like, you know, you went

1232
00:59:30.719 --> 00:59:33.559
<v Speaker 2>in you I think I watched Beavis and butt Head first,

1233
00:59:33.599 --> 00:59:36.639
<v Speaker 2>came out, had a piece of sabarro pizza and a soda,

1234
00:59:36.679 --> 00:59:39.239
<v Speaker 2>and then went back in and watched and watched Scream.

1235
00:59:39.239 --> 00:59:39.679
<v Speaker 2>It was great.

1236
00:59:39.800 --> 00:59:41.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm here for that. I probably would have just snuck

1237
00:59:41.360 --> 00:59:45.280
<v Speaker 1>into it, but I hear you, yeah, But Scream two,

1238
00:59:45.519 --> 00:59:48.280
<v Speaker 1>which I saw a billion times. In that movie, the

1239
00:59:48.360 --> 00:59:52.320
<v Speaker 1>killer is Billy Loomis's mom, who's a reporter who barely

1240
00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:55.079
<v Speaker 1>shows up, much older than the bulk of the cast,

1241
00:59:55.480 --> 00:59:57.679
<v Speaker 1>and she'd always show up and she'd get treated like shit,

1242
00:59:57.800 --> 01:00:00.280
<v Speaker 1>and she was the reporter that nobody cared about. And

1243
01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:04.760
<v Speaker 1>Scream six is essentially a remake of Scream two. And

1244
01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:08.119
<v Speaker 1>so I'm sitting there and I'm like, okay, so, knowing that,

1245
01:00:08.320 --> 01:00:10.559
<v Speaker 1>who would the killer be? And I'm like, son of

1246
01:00:10.559 --> 01:00:13.559
<v Speaker 1>a gun, it's gonna be Gail Weathers because she would

1247
01:00:13.599 --> 01:00:16.400
<v Speaker 1>pop up the same way Billy Loomis's mom would pop up,

1248
01:00:16.559 --> 01:00:18.559
<v Speaker 1>and then in the scene when they when they try

1249
01:00:18.599 --> 01:00:20.599
<v Speaker 1>to kill her, which obviously doesn't go the way that

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<v Speaker 1>they plan. The killer is even saying you probably like

1251
01:00:24.360 --> 01:00:26.360
<v Speaker 1>it would have made the most sense if it were

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01:00:26.400 --> 01:00:29.559
<v Speaker 1>you and that was the killer. Literally talking to people

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01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:33.079
<v Speaker 1>that love Scream too, that are like, oh, and I

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01:00:33.159 --> 01:00:35.079
<v Speaker 1>was like, Oh, this movie's good. Like that made me

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01:00:35.119 --> 01:00:38.280
<v Speaker 1>overlook so many of the contrivances like that one scene.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, they shot this movie in a way to

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<v Speaker 1>make people like me think they outsmarted the movie and

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<v Speaker 1>then rubbed it in our face. They wanted us down

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<v Speaker 1>that pathway. I'm like, this is good movie making. I

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<v Speaker 1>figured out a subway scene. That's a good movie. I

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<v Speaker 1>take back what I said.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good movie when they're in the subway. Six Yeah, yeah, anyway,

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01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:02.480
<v Speaker 2>go on Scream. This is sort of like when I

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<v Speaker 2>became jaded with the film industry because Lori metcalf Is

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<v Speaker 2>cast as Billy Loomis's mother.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, sure, I didn't even know her name.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she and she was she had been doing a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of stuff. I mean she was on Roseanne for

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<v Speaker 2>all those years.

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<v Speaker 1>I never watched Roseanne religiously.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean I think she was an Emmy nominated

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<v Speaker 2>now that you mentioned it, I think she was Emmy

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<v Speaker 2>nominated for that, and she was in other stuff, like

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01:01:23.559 --> 01:01:26.559
<v Speaker 2>other television shows and other movies. And I'm like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of bizarre that they're having Lori Metcalf play

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01:01:30.239 --> 01:01:34.719
<v Speaker 2>this reporter who's like intermittently in this scene. Briefly she

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<v Speaker 2>gets her ass handed to her in this scene, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was kind of like, there's.

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<v Speaker 1>More going on here, that's funny, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Then sure enough, and so that's when I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>figured out, like, oh, okay, so if I see a

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<v Speaker 2>kind of high brow actor, yeah, and it's clearly not

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01:01:48.960 --> 01:01:50.000
<v Speaker 2>just a cameo.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably a little more to it. I like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I didn't, because it's it's ruined some films

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01:01:55.559 --> 01:01:57.519
<v Speaker 2>for me now, you know, and when I see stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think Hollywood's getting better at it too, because

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<v Speaker 2>they don't. I mean, like with all the policies to

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<v Speaker 2>term at mulroney, like his best acting hit maybe behind him.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, so the role he played there is always his

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<v Speaker 1>role at this point. He's always like the dad that's

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<v Speaker 1>like vaguely abusive who he is, so we're not doing

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<v Speaker 1>Scream seven, then we're gonna.

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<v Speaker 2>Do I mean, I feel like that should be a backup.

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<v Speaker 2>I think if we plot this out over the next

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<v Speaker 2>few weeks, so this will be released on Thursday, which

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<v Speaker 2>is March twenty sixth, sixth, Yeah, so then we would

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<v Speaker 2>have April second, would that be it? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Because April first, yeah, we'd be recorded, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So April second will be Ready or Not two, right, yes, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>April ninth will be Hail Mary. And if I remember correctly,

1302
01:02:49.320 --> 01:02:51.360
<v Speaker 2>there wasn't a whole lot that I remember in the

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<v Speaker 2>April release schedule, so maybe we could fall back on

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<v Speaker 2>Scream seven. Did you see it?

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't, no, okay, and this is gonna be the

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<v Speaker 1>first one since the first one that I haven't seen there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I don't know how to do.

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<v Speaker 1>It then, yeah, unless we moved everything, because well that's

1309
01:03:09.280 --> 01:03:10.719
<v Speaker 1>just it. I don't even know if Ready or Not

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<v Speaker 1>will last two more weeks, and I am looking forward

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<v Speaker 1>to that.

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<v Speaker 2>We we have to do. We have to do that

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<v Speaker 2>one next week. Yeah, that's kind of non negotiable. Then

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<v Speaker 2>I think what we do is this, we do Scream

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<v Speaker 2>seven after that. If project Hail Mary is doing really well,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we'll do Project Hail.

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<v Speaker 1>Mary that works. That works, and if we miss it,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not even opposed to once it gets released on

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01:03:33.119 --> 01:03:35.840
<v Speaker 1>a streaming service or something, I'm not I'm not opposed

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<v Speaker 1>to just catch you like we did Happy Gilmore. We've

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<v Speaker 1>done a couple of what was the other one where

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<v Speaker 1>they all switched bodies a couple.

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<v Speaker 2>It's what's inside.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I mean, I wouldn't be against getting scream

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<v Speaker 1>on here one way or another down the line. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>there's the inside baseball for the rest of you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're going to enjoy everybody. Yeah, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's gonna do for this one. Don't see undertone or

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<v Speaker 1>do support of support an independent movie, but like also

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01:03:58.719 --> 01:04:01.360
<v Speaker 1>like this one sucked, and we'll be back next week

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<v Speaker 1>with Ready or Not too