Speaker 1: Uh so, Balky, you finally have come to grips with
Speaker 1: what the idea of elevated horror is figured With this
Speaker 1: movie we're talking about Undertone, which is a elevated whore.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's described as that. I don't think
Speaker 2: it was marketed as elevator. Well, no one markets it
Speaker 2: that way. That's a movie like a people like this
Speaker 2: kind of term. It's like, oh, that's an elevated horror.
Speaker 2: So how how would you How is this market just
Speaker 2: regular horror is what it's called.
Speaker 1: I would argue some of the most creative marketing I've
Speaker 1: ever seen in my life. The the actual marketing that
Speaker 1: I saw was all sounds, and I was like, well
Speaker 1: this as a sounds related person, I was like, well
Speaker 1: this is interesting and it kind of caught my eye
Speaker 1: and it turns out ear ear, yeah, there it is.
Speaker 1: Thank you for that. It turns out, though I was
Speaker 1: snookerd yet again.
Speaker 2: With this one, it shouldn't have been snookerd because you
Speaker 2: you kind of I mean, I would assume every five
Speaker 2: year being was like, Okay, this is gonna be elevated horror.
Speaker 2: I know what I mean. Your expectations had to have
Speaker 2: been met for this.
Speaker 1: I well, only because you set them where they need.
Speaker 1: I did not know it was elevated horror going into
Speaker 1: it because, like for sake of argument, in three ten
Speaker 1: Cloverfield Lane or whatever the hell, the trailer for that
Speaker 1: was the one scene of John Goodman popping off, and
Speaker 1: I was just like, man, I'm really that looks awesome,
Speaker 1: And it was. It was a cool movie, Like I
Speaker 1: really enjoyed that movie. When you do the unique marketing,
Speaker 1: or you do the one scene of a movie marketing,
Speaker 1: it can go one of two ways. It's either going
Speaker 1: to completely send you on an experience that you thoroughly enjoy,
Speaker 1: or you're going to say, what the hell did I
Speaker 1: just watch? That one scene that I saw was the
Speaker 1: best scene here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I have.
Speaker 1: To say, not knowing what I was getting with this
Speaker 1: movie at all, there was a lot left to be desired.
Speaker 2: I think I told you what the budget was for
Speaker 2: this movie earlier, Yes, before I would have Well, I
Speaker 2: guess I can't ask you because you knew what the
Speaker 2: budget was after you saw it. But when you saw it,
Speaker 2: did you did this feel like a five hundred thousand dollars? No?
Speaker 1: Where did that money go? I feel like this.
Speaker 2: So if I wouldn't have told you it cost a
Speaker 2: half million bucks to make this, what would you imagine?
Speaker 1: I would have guessed if you would have told me
Speaker 1: six figures, I would have been like, nah uh. He's
Speaker 1: like realistically, man, Like, I think there's as much budget
Speaker 1: in this podcast, Like there's two people, there's some microphones.
Speaker 2: Which which was ironic because this movie, the main character
Speaker 2: is a podcast host, a horror podcast host, right, some
Speaker 2: would say in elevated horror podcast host. But basically her
Speaker 2: and her co host, as I kind of tell the
Speaker 2: listeners a little bit about it, they host this horror
Speaker 2: podcast where they have this audio that's sent to him
Speaker 2: or they collect it from the internet. Yeah, and they
Speaker 2: try to determine whether this was real supernatural stuff going
Speaker 2: on in the audio, or if they debunk it, like
Speaker 2: this is not real, this is fake, this is set
Speaker 2: up or what have you, or there's a logical explanation
Speaker 2: for what we're hearing. Yeah, and she's sort of the
Speaker 2: debunker and he the believer. It's very Molder Scully, you know,
Speaker 2: they have a very Moulder Scully relationship. And this whole
Speaker 2: time she's caring for her mother who is dying.
Speaker 1: Do we know from what I don't think.
Speaker 2: So she's in some sort of coma and she's in
Speaker 2: her bedroom and the podcast host is staying with at
Speaker 2: her mother's house. Okay, so stuff happens. They get sent
Speaker 2: ten files anonymously and they're breaking them down and they're
Speaker 2: kind of playing them one by one. Although I don't
Speaker 2: think we heard all of them now that I think about.
Speaker 1: It, No, I don't think. So there was a Yeah,
Speaker 1: they skipped a few in there, but you here one, two, three,
Speaker 1: like six eight, and you're not hearing anything with like it,
Speaker 1: none of them are worth it.
Speaker 2: Well you say that and then and I was kind
Speaker 2: of with you. But then at the end, I mean,
Speaker 2: I had to do some internet research on this just
Speaker 2: to make sure it was matching up with how I
Speaker 2: took it, and it was there. There's a twist to
Speaker 2: these audio files and how they relate to the host,
Speaker 2: the podcast host. Yeah, okay, so so you have that
Speaker 2: sort of twist. You have the technology that allows her
Speaker 2: to place some of these clips backwards where she is
Speaker 2: picking up on different words. Sure, and there was in
Speaker 2: doing her research on this, she's finding out, oh hey,
Speaker 2: there there might actually be something here, right, So this
Speaker 2: mystery is kind of unfolding in front of you, and
Speaker 2: I guess when when that those are your plot devices.
Speaker 2: You can make this fairly cheap. So how do you
Speaker 2: make it scary? How do you make it intense? How
Speaker 2: do you make how do you elevate it that? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And I think and I can't remember. I'll look up
Speaker 2: the director's name in a second. It was his first
Speaker 2: it was his debut directorial debut, and I think he
Speaker 2: chose and we'll get into the sound aspect in Twison Toison, yes,
Speaker 2: Ian Tuison, which I think he wrote it too. Anyway,
Speaker 2: these shots, these panning shots, right these these three sixty
Speaker 2: shots right where it builds the suspense, It builds the intensity,
Speaker 2: and that's how you you know, have this effect on
Speaker 2: the audience. Now it's not you know how many jump
Speaker 2: scares were in this one?
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't even remember being jumped. I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: honest to you. Towards the end, now, if that, if
Speaker 1: that happened, it was good. It was not sufficient enough
Speaker 1: to get okay, oh yeah, I was only in a
Speaker 1: theater with four.
Speaker 2: You know what, that's not one move. No, I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna say that wasn't a jump scare because it wasn't
Speaker 2: sudden enough. But you know what, because of how slow
Speaker 2: and deliberate this the pacing was in this movie, doesn't
Speaker 2: it seem like a relatively it was a jump.
Speaker 1: Scare, yes, but like not organically earned. And for wanting
Speaker 1: to be an elevated horror movie, you can't resort to
Speaker 1: the schlocky let's turn the music and volume up really
Speaker 1: loud in a quiet moment for a jump scare kind
Speaker 1: of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna take back the whole jump scare thing.
Speaker 2: It wasn't but that was the closest we got to it. Now,
Speaker 2: if I were to ask you somebody who's never seen
Speaker 2: this movie before, Ben, yeah, I was thinking about seeing
Speaker 2: this Undertone movie, and Ben, you saw it, what what
Speaker 2: movie would you compare it to? What? What elevated horror
Speaker 2: movie have you seen that either had elements Undertone, had
Speaker 2: elements of that film, or reminded you of this film?
Speaker 1: You know, he and I did not talk this through
Speaker 1: before he brought that up.
Speaker 2: It's quite frankly, I don't have a good answer for
Speaker 2: this because I haven't seen a whole lot of horror.
Speaker 1: I know you've watched a ton yeah, but it's not
Speaker 1: even it has nothing to do with the plot. I
Speaker 1: walked out of that film reminding myself of the Blair
Speaker 1: Witch Project. Oh yeah, because it was seventy minutes of
Speaker 1: why the hell am I watching this? With ten minutes
Speaker 1: of oh shit's getting interesting? And then it was over.
Speaker 1: And that is the best way spot on me. That
Speaker 1: is spot on. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: There were some uh, you know, honestly, I like a
Speaker 2: movie where I'm kind of this this is my lowbrow movie. Take.
Speaker 2: I like a movie where I'm kind of and I
Speaker 2: think you do too, where you're guessing what's gonna happen next,
Speaker 2: where you're you're trying to figure out what what's this
Speaker 2: character going to do? What's what's the motivation for this
Speaker 2: character to do this, or what's you know? And and
Speaker 2: I like that better than where I'm trying to figure
Speaker 2: out not necessarily what's going on, but why am I
Speaker 2: seeing and hearing what I'm seeing and hearing, you know, like,
Speaker 2: what's the purpose for this? And I feel like I
Speaker 2: was asking myself why am I meant to hear this?
Speaker 2: Why is why is the director choosing to show this?
Speaker 2: Why is the director having this sound play or or
Speaker 2: this audio file play What what am I supposed to
Speaker 2: be gleaning ont of this? And I felt that I
Speaker 2: spent most of the movie asking myself that, right and
Speaker 2: which kind of took a little bit of the enjoyment
Speaker 2: away for me. And then at the end, I feel
Speaker 2: like a lot of that was still unanswered. I still
Speaker 2: don't know why the decisions that Tuison made Ian Tuison
Speaker 2: made in this, I don't I don't it definitely. I
Speaker 2: can say for pretty certain the desired effect that he
Speaker 2: probably hoped that the audiences would feel it was lost on.
Speaker 1: Me personally thousand percent. And I will say and disclaimer
Speaker 1: here for this, like it is very difficult to make
Speaker 1: a haunting horror movie that I'm going to enjoy. It
Speaker 1: can be done. Like I can acknowledge that the Conjuring
Speaker 1: movies are very well made. They're not for me. But
Speaker 1: Evil Dead is one of my favorite franchises that's about possession,
Speaker 1: and yeah.
Speaker 2: I just feel like those are those are a little
Speaker 2: bit more.
Speaker 1: Well, they're in your face, there's a lot more goal
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, but it's still the idea of
Speaker 1: a spirit inhabiting a body, which it's more difficult to
Speaker 1: get me invested in that kind of plot, trying to
Speaker 1: figure out this here it kind of gets funneled into
Speaker 1: a similar boat. And I can even tell you I
Speaker 1: thought the best parts of this I almost wish And
Speaker 1: maybe it's because of our profession and I'm used to
Speaker 1: talking to you with headphones on in this certain kind
Speaker 1: of discourse. I think I would have enjoyed the movie
Speaker 1: more if it were just a ninety minute podcast, Like
Speaker 1: if they did the movie like it were a podcast. Oh,
Speaker 1: and they had worked together the entire time, and like
Speaker 1: things slowly unraveled, because as soon as the scenes with
Speaker 1: the podcasting ended, I would find myself checking out of
Speaker 1: the movie.
Speaker 2: No, but that's a good point. That is a good point,
Speaker 2: because I do feel like I didn't know exactly what
Speaker 2: was going on the relationship. I mean, clearly it was
Speaker 2: a semi complicated relationship that she had with her mother. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it sounded like she had a semi complicated relationship with
Speaker 2: her significant other in this And I feel like we
Speaker 2: should talk about this too. She is the only moving
Speaker 2: character basically for this whole movie for ninety minutes. Do
Speaker 2: you have the cast? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: What's her name again, Nina Key, Nina Kiri, who you
Speaker 2: might remember from I want to say Orange is the
Speaker 2: New Black, that was like her big thing.
Speaker 1: But heretics escalation. I don't have any Oh, that's because
Speaker 1: it's movies. I'd have to get the IMDb.
Speaker 2: I thought you did.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I just have the generic one up here.
Speaker 1: But go ahead, keep talking and I'll get the TV shows.
Speaker 1: So so she's going to be in the street Fighter
Speaker 1: movie that'd probably be better than this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Handmaid's Tail. I just as soon as as soon
Speaker 2: as yeah, yeah, I'm like, okay, yeah, she was in
Speaker 2: the Handmaids Sale. I don't think for all the seasons,
Speaker 2: but I know she was in for a good part
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: And she does fine. For the record, Like again, it's
Speaker 1: an eight twenty four movie, which is so hit or
Speaker 1: miss in my book because they've done some of my
Speaker 1: favorites of all time. Green Room Top ten horror movie
Speaker 1: of all time in my opinion, green Room.
Speaker 2: Have I ever heard of this? Have you talked about this?
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know. Maybe not. The one where
Speaker 1: the heavy metal band goes to the neo Nazi bar
Speaker 1: and they witness a murder and then they get stuck
Speaker 1: in the green room and they have to figure out
Speaker 1: how to.
Speaker 2: Get out of the bar. Can't they just leave?
Speaker 1: Oh fucky? And like that's the best part is you're like, well,
Speaker 1: why wouldn't they just do this? I remember watching it
Speaker 1: for my first time in twenty fifteen, thinking well, I
Speaker 1: would just do this, and the characters did it, and
Speaker 1: it shows you why that didn't work. I'm like okay,
Speaker 1: and then I'm like, well, then I would have just
Speaker 1: done this, and then they do that and I'm like shit.
Speaker 2: So there are some twists where you're finding out, you know,
Speaker 2: why they can't do I'm.
Speaker 1: Telling you the obvious. Yeah, I reck if you're looking
Speaker 1: for an a twenty four movie that I'll actually get
Speaker 1: a kick out of, green Room is. There's other good ones.
Speaker 1: Midsummer was fine, Heretic is fine. Green Room is the
Speaker 1: only one that I would describe as like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: that was such a such a blast. How old is it?
Speaker 1: Twenty fifteen? Okay, And like I'll say something if we
Speaker 1: can remember, remind me to say something, I'll say it
Speaker 1: off the air because I don't want to say it
Speaker 1: on this podcast about it, but it makes me like
Speaker 1: it even more. But in any event, so a twenty
Speaker 1: four for me is a very mixed bag in terms
Speaker 1: of what I think the movie Tusk, when Justin Long
Speaker 1: is getting turned into walls, I think that's a twenty
Speaker 1: four and I actually like that movie, but I'd argue
Speaker 1: it's much more lowbrow than the average eight twenty four
Speaker 1: film is going to be. This was much more towards
Speaker 1: the higher end, and I would funnel this into my
Speaker 1: problems with the movie It follows, which we talked about
Speaker 1: two weeks ago, in that there's long silences, the scenes
Speaker 1: are framed in a way that it is creepy, Like
Speaker 1: there's big empty spaces that you're like, oh, something's gonna
Speaker 1: cover that space, and then nothing happens in that space.
Speaker 1: And did you notice there's like subtle moments, like early
Speaker 1: on in the movie she'll close and I'm technically not
Speaker 1: spoiling anything, or she'll close the door and has a
Speaker 1: mirror on it. There's definitely just something standing and you
Speaker 1: see it for half a second and then the mirror closes. Right,
Speaker 1: It's so subtle, but you're probably zoning out because it's
Speaker 1: so boring. There was something in the mirror, yeah, like
Speaker 1: in the distance and you can see it just standing
Speaker 1: there and like you get it for half a second.
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I wonder how many people that happened,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. And I'm willing to bet I
Speaker 1: missed three or four things, because I myself found myself
Speaker 1: zoning out quite a bit, scrolling even in the theater,
Speaker 1: just being like, oh man, it has been so long
Speaker 1: since anything happened.
Speaker 2: I do not care.
Speaker 1: And on top of all of this, I was distracted
Speaker 1: by her co host Adam DeMarco Is. The actor sounds
Speaker 1: like he should be hosting an NPR show somewhere, which
Speaker 1: is probably what they told him to go for, but
Speaker 1: his delivery made me think he was the evil spirit
Speaker 1: the entire time, Like I was waiting for one of
Speaker 1: those kind of movies. Really, I'm like, Okay, so this
Speaker 1: guy's clearly evil or is coaxing her to open more
Speaker 1: of these because he's obviously.
Speaker 2: And he part of the thing. He ultimately was involved. Yah,
Speaker 2: I mean, but I don't want to ruin anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for the record, I saw this whole movie and like,
Speaker 1: I'm not even sure that I know everything that happened,
Speaker 1: because I can't express how much I was.
Speaker 2: Like I did the whole wiki thing. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: there wasn't anything in there that I didn't pick up on,
Speaker 2: but you telling me this stuff in the mirror, yeah
Speaker 2: or whatever. I didn't.
Speaker 1: It was so subtle bulky that I myself did it.
Speaker 2: I actually said that, Yes, is that is that? The design?
Speaker 1: I think?
Speaker 2: Is that? That is that the design that you you
Speaker 2: you lull everybody into this false sense of nothing going on,
Speaker 2: and then it rewards the active viewer.
Speaker 1: Sure, and that's uh, that's an A twenty four staple.
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't I might be misspeaking,
Speaker 1: but I think in the movie Hereditary, she's just in
Speaker 1: the corner of the room, like there's a scene happening,
Speaker 1: and then like the scene has been going on for
Speaker 1: three minutes and then the entity moves. You're like, Jesus
Speaker 1: was that thing? Oh yeah, that's awesome. Like there's ways
Speaker 1: to do it in a way that pays off, but
Speaker 1: this was so subtle. Yeah that I was like, who
Speaker 1: actually saw that? Because this movie, especially if you're not
Speaker 1: in theaters, does not encourage you to pay attention.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is a lot there's a lot of moments
Speaker 2: in that where and I feel like if you're experiencing
Speaker 2: a film, television, show, music. I think is is definitely
Speaker 2: true as well. You have to be active, you have
Speaker 2: to be an at you have to actively let this
Speaker 2: content saturate through you, right and and and seek out
Speaker 2: everything that you should be seeking out. Right. It's it's
Speaker 2: it's a two way street, right, Yeah, you can't just
Speaker 2: let it hit you. You got it. You gotta be involved
Speaker 2: in it. And sometimes a tours will challenge you to test,
Speaker 2: they will test that and I failed this test, and it.
Speaker 1: Sounds like you're good to yeah, one hundred percent, and
Speaker 1: like you can also fail in a good movie, like
Speaker 1: in The Departed, h every character it's about to die
Speaker 1: has an X above their head.
Speaker 2: Which I didn't even realize until you told me.
Speaker 1: Yea, I didn't notice it when I was watching. It's
Speaker 1: one of those things that come across it in like
Speaker 1: a BuzzFeed article or something like ten things you didn't
Speaker 1: notice in movies that you love, right, And it's just like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's sort of a gun, so like it can absolutely
Speaker 1: sling both ways. But this one, I think people were
Speaker 1: missing stuff or people I was missing stuff. You were
Speaker 1: missing stuff because allowed me to speak for you kind
Speaker 1: of checked out as like you could tell twenty thirty
Speaker 1: minutes in what it was story.
Speaker 2: It wasn't even like a matter of checking out. It
Speaker 2: was a matter of it was so deliberate, it was
Speaker 2: so slow, and it just kind of lulls you where
Speaker 2: this would be the perfect opportunity to introduce some jump
Speaker 2: scares to kind of reset the audience. Yeah, and you
Speaker 2: didn't see that.
Speaker 1: Are we cretans for saying that?
Speaker 2: No, I think we're being honest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I And I don't think I'm going to find
Speaker 1: positive reviews while you're talking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I bet plenty of the critics are saying
Speaker 2: some of the same stuff we're saying too, like actual film,
Speaker 2: real life pundits.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't need to know what sucked about
Speaker 1: this movie. I can tell you just find I want
Speaker 1: to see what people saw in this they were, Well.
Speaker 2: You make it seem like, because this is our take,
Speaker 2: that we're not evolved enough to handle something like this. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I sometimes wonder because this isn't the first time. The
Speaker 1: VICH I always call it because it spelled with two v's,
Speaker 1: is like ninety something percent. I'm like, that sucked. That
Speaker 1: was so boring and I didn't get anything out of this.
Speaker 2: This is a witch movie. I hat's like a movie.
Speaker 1: From like colonial Like it's like colonial American times.
Speaker 2: Trials that kind of era.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, probably, And like at one point in the
Speaker 1: trailer that's what got me, Like the goats gets on
Speaker 1: two legs and kind of starts hopping around and it's like,
Speaker 1: cgi way, it's very uncanny, very creepy. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: that might be fun. That is the only scene in
Speaker 1: the movie that I remember. It was a complete waste
Speaker 1: of time. I'm pretty sure it all ends with like
Speaker 1: the women in the in the family like holding hands
Speaker 1: and spinning in circles, smiling, and then it's over. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what did I just watch? And like you go and
Speaker 1: look at their views and they're like a cinematic masterpiece,
Speaker 1: unparalleled by I'm like, what's wrong with me that I
Speaker 1: don't see this at all? Same guy did no Speratu
Speaker 1: didn't even watch it. So I'm like, if that guy
Speaker 1: did the vivich, I am not coming back because I
Speaker 1: know I'm getting into and this absolutely had me thinking
Speaker 1: of those type of movies, and I wonder, like, has
Speaker 1: the Marvel virus as it infected me in a way
Speaker 1: that I cannot have don't.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think that's the case at all,
Speaker 2: because you still appreciate other stuff you can, you can
Speaker 2: still appreciate well, I don't know, Like now that I
Speaker 2: think about this, what's a film that you and I
Speaker 2: have focused as a topic of this podcast that not
Speaker 2: necessarily is elevated horror but lower dialogue, smaller dialogue where
Speaker 2: the emphasis on the sound and what's on what's on
Speaker 2: the screen, you know what I mean, rather than what
Speaker 2: people are saying. The environment is sort of the star.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Long or Longest Walk? What was the movie
Speaker 1: called The Long Walk? That would probably be one there, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it was like the desolate atmosphere no matter where
Speaker 1: they were, with decrepit falling apart, Like you could story
Speaker 1: without any dialogue in that story?
Speaker 2: Did you?
Speaker 1: Did you have an example in mind?
Speaker 2: No? I did not.
Speaker 1: Okay, that was that's.
Speaker 2: All I mean. I was thinking of Nuremberg. But but
Speaker 2: Nuremberg was so was so dialogue. Yeah, that wouldn't that
Speaker 2: wouldn't apply. I'm just trying to think something like Mother,
Speaker 2: you know, which we didn't do.
Speaker 1: Which is that a twenty four? I think that might
Speaker 1: be a twenty four let.
Speaker 2: Me ask you this. I've never seen this movie and
Speaker 2: I heard it was really really good, but I don't
Speaker 2: think I don't think I would enjoy it. The Lighthouse
Speaker 2: with Willem Dafoe and Robert Pattinson's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't see it. I'm familiar.
Speaker 2: But that's another one where I think like, there's all
Speaker 2: this symbolism and hidden stuff in there that you really
Speaker 2: got to be actively seeking stuff out to understand what
Speaker 2: kind of what's going on and what the desired effect
Speaker 2: and the story is, you know, And I feel like
Speaker 2: that's how Undertone was.
Speaker 1: What was like, what's funny is is this movie couldn't
Speaker 1: be more polar opposite from Undertone. But much like our
Speaker 1: first movie, or maybe second movie of the year, Primate,
Speaker 1: I was doing this podcast with you saying, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty good at figuring out the subtext in movies,
Speaker 1: like symbolism very rarely goes over my head. I know
Speaker 1: what they're trying to tell me. And I said, I
Speaker 1: do not know what the symbolism was. And it got
Speaker 1: to the point where even screenshoted you the AI version,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, it turns out there was symbolism in it.
Speaker 1: Even in primate. What was the point of this Was
Speaker 1: it about relationships with mothers and daughters? Was it about
Speaker 1: the uncertainty of being a parent, Because whatever the main
Speaker 1: thrust of the movie was, in my opinion, had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with any.
Speaker 2: Of those ideas.
Speaker 1: And I have no idea what the point of that movie,
Speaker 1: of this movie it actually was.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll go back to what I originally said that
Speaker 2: some movies are just made.
Speaker 1: That's not a thing. Some movies are just made, and
Speaker 1: definitely not by A twenty four.
Speaker 2: To be watched, right, A twenty four picked this up.
Speaker 2: By the way, this is not something that was like
Speaker 2: it was. It came out by a different film studio
Speaker 2: and then like last year something, and then A twenty
Speaker 2: four sort of like, okay, well we're gonna get the
Speaker 2: rights to this and distribute it. So it wasn't like
Speaker 2: one of their own.
Speaker 1: According to Sundance dot Org, it is the crushing, often
Speaker 1: delusional burden of traumatic loss, grief, and caregiving fatigue. See
Speaker 1: I figured something about caregiving, but like, what did the
Speaker 1: supernatural entity have anything to do with that? Not a
Speaker 1: damn thing, Like I feel it was a disconnect.
Speaker 2: Was a supernatural entity her mother in between living and dying,
Speaker 2: do you know what?
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I mean I guess that that maybe could be.
Speaker 2: Where where she has the ghost, this quasi ghost of
Speaker 2: her mother and she has this you know, the next
Speaker 2: generation sort of like kind of there but kind of
Speaker 2: not there, right, I don't know.
Speaker 1: See, Like compare this to the movie Smile, which I
Speaker 1: still say is my favorite scary movie that I've seen
Speaker 1: since moving to the Fox Valley that whole Oh.
Speaker 2: By the way, I watched it.
Speaker 1: Follows, Oh, yeah, we'll talk.
Speaker 2: It was good. You like it? Yeah, it was good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like there's things to like about.
Speaker 2: It, but I'm just like there, you know, honestly, not
Speaker 2: that We'll just side by real quick, because it kind
Speaker 2: of ties in a little bit to undertone what I
Speaker 2: loved about it. Follows was you, as the viewer, clearly
Speaker 2: knew what was going on at a certain point in
Speaker 2: the movie. Sure, and you'd see these Okay, I'm going
Speaker 2: use Saturday Night Live, Yeah, Storty to describe this. There's
Speaker 2: a sketch from Jenna Ortega hosted called like Varsity Blues
Speaker 2: or something. I don't know what it was called, but
Speaker 2: it was Marcelo Hernandez and Jenna Ortega as boyfriend and
Speaker 2: high school boyfriend and girlfriend senior year, and Jenna Ortega
Speaker 2: meets him at a waffle house, like in a parking lot,
Speaker 2: and she kind of breaks up with them because she's
Speaker 2: going off to film or to music school in New
Speaker 2: York and he's staying behind or whatever. So it's this
Speaker 2: very emotional conversation. But in the background, it's a waffle house.
Speaker 2: Crazy stuff is going down, and it's hilarious because it's
Speaker 2: it's it's it's it's sort of like this, you know,
Speaker 2: the desired what they want you to see is literally
Speaker 2: in the background, not in focus, right, but you know
Speaker 2: what's going on, and it's hilarious while this big emotional
Speaker 2: thing is happening in front of you. It follows you
Speaker 2: have these conversations between the characters. You have just everyday
Speaker 2: life going on, people walking around, talking in a classroom,
Speaker 2: what have you. And the camera doesn't frame it right. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is all a sudden there and it's it's not
Speaker 2: stopping and the camera still is not framing it.
Speaker 1: But but you.
Speaker 2: See it, right, you see what's what's happening. That's awesome.
Speaker 2: It's so good. It's so good, right, And and in
Speaker 2: this I feel to tie back into undertone. I feel
Speaker 2: like in this it was like like that was kind
Speaker 2: of there, but it wasn't bonk you over the head there, right,
Speaker 2: And I wish like it would have been bonked me
Speaker 2: over the head because while you know, I'm sure that
Speaker 2: makes me a Cretan. Yeah, it would have been more enjoyable.
Speaker 1: I completely. I couldn't agree more. And I was gonna
Speaker 1: compare it to U because the idea of traumatic loss
Speaker 1: and grief is the exact same subtext and smile. But
Speaker 1: it's like, in order for the beast to follow you,
Speaker 1: you had to witness someone die in front of you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they had to have the entity in them when
Speaker 1: they died. It's like, oh, I get that because watching
Speaker 1: someone die in your life absolutely like if you physically
Speaker 1: see the act, that impacts you in a way. And
Speaker 1: that's why, Okay, explain to me what even if it follows,
Speaker 1: I understand it follows could be a sexual reputation, especially
Speaker 1: as a woman if you find yourself in that situation.
Speaker 1: So it follows, I get it. It hits you over
Speaker 1: the head, it's there. I do not know what the
Speaker 1: point of this movie was I almost would rather just
Speaker 1: finished this podcast talking about it follows, you know.
Speaker 2: What, I'd love to and I don't know if there
Speaker 2: is one what's his name again? Ian Ye love to
Speaker 2: see an interview like where he's talking about this movie
Speaker 2: and why he decided to make it, what he likes
Speaker 2: about it, and I think then we could probably figure
Speaker 2: out the tie in yeah too, or or was was
Speaker 2: this was any of this real?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean, like you you never know in these types
Speaker 2: of things where it's like it is, are we are
Speaker 2: we experiencing this? Or are we experiencing the character's experience
Speaker 2: of this, you know, where it's it's actually just going
Speaker 2: on in their mind? Spoiler alert. Shutter Island? Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was a lot like that, right, yeah, because for the
Speaker 2: majority of that we're seeing the movie. We're seeing the
Speaker 2: film through another character. We're not seeing the reality. Sure,
Speaker 2: and there's better examples of that than that, but Shutter
Speaker 2: Island was the first one that came to mind, which
Speaker 2: was a great flick. Who did that? Was that? Scorse? Okay?
Speaker 2: Anyway to get back on point, I think you can
Speaker 2: make a case that unless you point something out that
Speaker 2: I missed, you could make a case that we don't
Speaker 2: know exactly if any of this was real, or if
Speaker 2: this was going on in I can't even remember the
Speaker 2: girl's name, the woman's name, but where it was going
Speaker 2: on in her head this whole time, Evie. Maybe it's
Speaker 2: a commentary on on mental health and the impact that
Speaker 2: these outside forces have on our mental health and what
Speaker 2: it can do or or how things can be twisted
Speaker 2: in our own mind because of each human has its
Speaker 2: own unique perspective of what life is and what their
Speaker 2: surrounding environment is. I don't know, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: different ways to go on this with with the meaning,
Speaker 2: and I think the supernatural aspect of it obviously gives
Speaker 2: you an avenue to sort of it gives you the
Speaker 2: vehicle to to sort of showcase psychology that goes into this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I will say, because I've been taking a
Speaker 1: hot steaming pile on this entire movie.
Speaker 2: He Yeah, I don't want to make it seem like
Speaker 2: I liked it. I'm just trying to come up with excuses.
Speaker 1: Conversely, I'm saying the last fifteen minutes did have me uneasy,
Speaker 1: and I am not encouraging you to see this in theaters,
Speaker 1: but I am saying. Seeing it in theaters added an
Speaker 1: element to it because the whole thing is kind of
Speaker 1: audio based and having movie theater speakers versus watching it
Speaker 1: on your phone or on a computer or on a
Speaker 1: TV where you're it's it is different. In the last
Speaker 1: ten minutes, I was like a little uneasy. But I
Speaker 1: will say, and this is a quasi spoiler, the jump
Speaker 1: scare never comes, so like like I was sitting there like, Okay,
Speaker 1: they're gonna hit me. Yeah, seven seconds of intense, deep visuals.
Speaker 2: I'm ready for it. What do you make of like
Speaker 2: not having that payoff? Is that something that you have
Speaker 2: to pay off or or are you okay with having
Speaker 2: horror blue balls at.
Speaker 1: The It's a matter of execution, because I'm asking you
Speaker 1: it can be done.
Speaker 2: It can be done correctly. You're telling me.
Speaker 1: I've evolved on on that matter quite a bit because
Speaker 1: I used to as a kid, especially a kid growing
Speaker 1: up on horror, when adults in the room would tell you, no,
Speaker 1: your imaginations there scariest, like get the hell out of here.
Speaker 1: Show it to me. And as I get older, I
Speaker 1: find that my own mind can take me to some
Speaker 1: very dark places that a lot of directors and whatnot, Like,
Speaker 1: for instance, the Wrong Turn remake, there's a scene where
Speaker 1: they say, we're punishing you to the darkness, and in
Speaker 1: the darkness, they pull your eyes and tongue out and
Speaker 1: they throw you in this room and it's just pitch
Speaker 1: black and you just feel your way around it. When
Speaker 1: they show you the darkness, it is just black. Like
Speaker 1: they open a door and it is just black, but
Speaker 1: you never go in. And I was sitting there watching
Speaker 1: that movie and I was like, man, I kind of
Speaker 1: wish they took me in there to see what it
Speaker 1: was like, but my mind is going crazy right now.
Speaker 1: But then twenty minutes later, they do take you into
Speaker 1: the darkness, and it was terrifying and it was so
Speaker 1: creepy and so well done, and so like that shows
Speaker 1: you they left it up to your imagination. They let
Speaker 1: me run wild with it, and I created a very
Speaker 1: scary scenario. Then they showed you their own interpretation of
Speaker 1: what it would look like in there, and it was harrowing,
Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, and so like, you can
Speaker 1: do it right both ways. It's just a matter of execution.
Speaker 1: They could have never shown it to me, and I
Speaker 1: would have been very content with my own mind and
Speaker 1: how I perceived what the darkness was.
Speaker 2: I have not seen this film. Yeah, I would imagine
Speaker 2: from the way that you're telling it to me.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: The reveal, Yeah, would be the darkness like that they
Speaker 2: send you to mm hmm, just like a normal room
Speaker 2: bathed in light, but because you have no eyes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's dark to It's not that it's definitely not that.
Speaker 2: Didn't cross your mind when you're framing it in your
Speaker 2: own hat.
Speaker 1: No, because like there's a creepiness you wouldn't have think
Speaker 1: You wouldn't think it the room, but the way the
Speaker 1: people were acting in there. Because the movie is not great.
Speaker 1: The original Wrong Turn from three was way better, but
Speaker 1: is that Paul Walker is No, but it feels like
Speaker 1: Paul Walker would should be And I think you're thinking
Speaker 1: of a joy ride, but which they also redid also
Speaker 1: not as good as the two thousands.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think who would be wrong, because that's
Speaker 2: like Dawson's could have been Josh Jackson or somebody in Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know that one of these one of these
Speaker 2: frat bros.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I can picture Jessica Biel in there, but
Speaker 1: I'm pretty wrong Turn. Yeah, but that I think is
Speaker 1: because she was in the Texas Chainsaw.
Speaker 2: Yeah she was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't recognize any of these names. Eliza, Douchhoes, Eliza.
Speaker 2: She was in Oh God, what was it?
Speaker 1: Some Bring It On?
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no no. She was in some
Speaker 2: w b c W show. Buffy. She was a Buffy
Speaker 2: the Vampire Slayer. That's what it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, But in any event, I say all
Speaker 1: that to say, you can I have evolved enough. But
Speaker 1: like I'd also say, the Zeno morphin Alien is one
Speaker 1: of the scariest things I could ever conceive of, and
Speaker 1: someone else had to do that for me. And in
Speaker 1: the original Alien you really don't see it that much.
Speaker 1: Aliens shows up and they're like, we're gonna throw this
Speaker 1: shit in your face for two hours and it's never
Speaker 1: gonna stop being scary, and both of those can can
Speaker 1: be true, and so I just think this one, for me,
Speaker 1: there there wasn't any element. It's I wasn't uneasy enough
Speaker 1: at any point. I see people giving this thing five stars.
Speaker 1: One of the scariest movies I've ever watched. In what
Speaker 1: effin universe?
Speaker 2: Was anything I didn't get It didn't I didn't get that,
Speaker 2: but I mean, you know, but again, it film is
Speaker 2: as literally shaking.
Speaker 1: This was so good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just it's I can see how certain people
Speaker 2: would be into this.
Speaker 1: Left the movie with an eerie feeling. The movie was
Speaker 1: good and so unsettling. I mean, there were unsettling moments
Speaker 1: that I found myself bold.
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what. The conclusion unsettled for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, but dude, I wish there's times when
Speaker 1: I wish that we had we could do spoilers because
Speaker 1: there is a line of dialogue in there that if
Speaker 1: I say it, I feel like there's not too much dialogue. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but like she says one thing towards the end and
Speaker 1: I'm like.
Speaker 2: Wait, yeah, what Yeah, So there's two things I want
Speaker 2: to bring up here. Yeah. Number one regarding the dialogue.
Speaker 2: Let's do that, because I've wanted to bring this up
Speaker 2: like three different times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hit me with it.
Speaker 2: The dialogue that she has with her podcast host before
Speaker 2: they start recording, and then while they're recording, it seems
Speaker 2: so hokey.
Speaker 1: And yes, that's why I thought he was evil, right,
Speaker 1: because the way the delivery was happening, I'm like, there's
Speaker 1: something up with this guy.
Speaker 2: But I mean no, it's just I mean, like, okay,
Speaker 2: so they're talking about like, yeah, we're gonna play this
Speaker 2: audio file. Oh, okay, let's play the audio file. All right?
Speaker 2: You ready for the audio file? You're ready for the
Speaker 2: audio file? Yeah, let's do it. All right, I'm playing
Speaker 2: the audio file. Like when stuff is that ridiculous and
Speaker 2: not or at all, I feel like there's a reason
Speaker 2: for it. It was almost as if they were reading
Speaker 2: these lines rather than memorizing them. Yes, And I was like, okay, well,
Speaker 2: there's there has to be a reason for this. There wasn't,
Speaker 2: at least that I could tell.
Speaker 1: I assumed he was evil, but that was that. That's
Speaker 1: how bad it was, is that I was like, he
Speaker 1: sounded like a mischievous NPR broadcast.
Speaker 2: Let me bring this up to her. Co host is
Speaker 2: an American living in London, right, Yeah, they record this podcast.
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, I didn't remember any of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's in London because they talk about how he
Speaker 2: wants her to visit him, and sure they record this
Speaker 2: podcast at like three in the morning, right m hm,
Speaker 2: which is like nine in the morning in London.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why couldn't they just do it?
Speaker 2: The heck couldn't they do it at like four or
Speaker 2: five London times so she can get a decent night's sleep.
Speaker 2: It's not like she's caring for her dying mother or
Speaker 2: anything and needs rest. I mean. And that's another thing,
Speaker 2: like they we we see the clock like twice? What
Speaker 2: was it more than twice? What was the movie with
Speaker 2: Laura Lenny where it was all about the Witching Hour
Speaker 2: And they've made a big deal of the clock turning
Speaker 2: to three am every night because that's when these spirits
Speaker 2: would come out. I think she was like a lawyer
Speaker 2: or something and in the movie or a psychologists or something.
Speaker 2: I don't remember.
Speaker 1: Emily Rose, that's what it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was something they made this huge deal
Speaker 2: every time the clock turned the theater and they made
Speaker 2: kind of a big deal. And two or three times
Speaker 2: at least in this film they showed the clock ticking
Speaker 2: to two fifty five or two fifty six. Ben Did
Speaker 2: that have any meaning?
Speaker 1: Not one bit? That's another highly revered one that I
Speaker 1: was like, what the hell? What did I just watch
Speaker 1: right now? I remember I was in high school. One
Speaker 1: of the first R rated movies I ever saw in
Speaker 1: a theater without my parents. Because you have to be
Speaker 1: of a certain age, and uh, there wasn't a seat
Speaker 1: in the house. I went on a date and we
Speaker 1: got the last two seats from the theater for Exorcism
Speaker 1: of Emily Rose. Like, oh, I think we got a
Speaker 1: banger here. Yeah, and of course the person I went
Speaker 1: with was uninitiated. That was really scary. Yeah, No, totally.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The other aspect I wanted to bring up here
Speaker 2: and we talk about not having that big payoff scare
Speaker 2: at the end, right, which I think you could make
Speaker 2: the case that there was a version of a payoff here.
Speaker 2: I would contend there is not. There are three feelings
Speaker 2: I have when when I leave a horror movie after
Speaker 2: the ultimate ending, right, Okay. One is this one where
Speaker 2: I'm I just my muscles are still tense and and
Speaker 2: it's like a gradual come down because my body and
Speaker 2: my mind was preparing for something sudden that never came.
Speaker 2: There was no horror orgasm. There is no yeah, horrors,
Speaker 2: there's no hororasm. Great name for this title of this episode,
Speaker 2: so that's what they should have called it. No, that's
Speaker 2: the executive like you know, like like uh, like what
Speaker 2: do you what should we call this? And and uh,
Speaker 2: one of the executives is like undertone like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: that sounds good, but uh uh Lyle the intern thinks
Speaker 2: horror gas would be a better title for it anyway. Okay,
Speaker 2: So that's one feeling. Another feeling is I'm like and that,
Speaker 2: by the way, same feeling I had after Blair Witch Project,
Speaker 2: like yeah, with with my muscles and everything. Another one
Speaker 2: is when you get the release and it's awesome and
Speaker 2: you like come out of the field theater almost euphorick,
Speaker 2: like you're telling your friend, oh my, that was awesome,
Speaker 2: you know where you're just you're riding this wave of energy.
Speaker 2: You know that that paid off? Right, That's another one.
Speaker 2: And then the last one is, uh.
Speaker 1: That's the Devil's Rejects for me, by the way.
Speaker 2: Reject it was there.
Speaker 1: There was more than one, right, Yeah, that was the
Speaker 1: second one.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, and then the the sort of the
Speaker 2: the last feeling I have is complete and total dread
Speaker 2: where you wake up from a nightmare and you don't
Speaker 2: want to move. You ever had that where you have
Speaker 2: a nightmare life and you just yeah, you feel like
Speaker 2: it's like it's like you're hiding from the t Rex.
Speaker 2: As long as I don't move. Yeah, nothing can hurt me.
Speaker 2: That's the other feeling, right, The last two feelings I
Speaker 2: brought up so much better than this natural come down
Speaker 2: where it's just like I get it's it's honestly aggravating,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's you know, what's the equivalent of being
Speaker 2: disappointed with a horror movie as into sexual frustration. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm sexually frustrated by the movie in a horror sense.
Speaker 1: No, exactly. I couldn't agree with you more. It left
Speaker 1: a lot to be desired, and like, while the last
Speaker 1: ten minutes were creepy, it wasn't.
Speaker 2: Well I would I would contend that more than last
Speaker 2: ten minutes were creepy really well with the figurine, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess that's just the stuff when with her mother
Speaker 2: and not being not everything being the same in the room,
Speaker 2: trying not to spoil it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what's going on with that, sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the shots of her mother, the actual visual camera
Speaker 2: shots of her mother in that bed. Again, sometimes I
Speaker 2: think when you're waiting for something to happen, that can
Speaker 2: be creepy in and of itself.
Speaker 1: For sure, and it for me a harken back. I
Speaker 1: don't know who I was talking to about this out there?
Speaker 2: Where was John Jordan's review of this film.
Speaker 1: By the way, Yeah, he hasn't seen this now, and
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think. I don't think it was him
Speaker 1: who was talking about pet Cemetery with me. I don't
Speaker 1: remember John Jordan. It was someone. Yeah, you would think
Speaker 1: now it might have been It might have been PJ.
Speaker 1: Might have been Nick. I don't I don't know.
Speaker 2: Who that was. Was it Heather? Heather, Heather whom I not? Heather? Laura?
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Laura, Laura Lee. Yeah, sorry, Laura, It's been
Speaker 2: so long since I've talked to her. Yeah, Glauralle, don't
Speaker 2: tell her this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean it's out of my hands. It's recorded.
Speaker 1: But I say all that to say the mother.
Speaker 2: Or you can call me Mitch. Next time you see
Speaker 2: that the.
Speaker 1: Mother in pet Cemetery, the scene have you seen the
Speaker 1: original pet Cemetery when you know the mom in the
Speaker 1: movie had like childhood memories of a sick aunt or
Speaker 1: something like that, and then I'm sitting there at six
Speaker 1: years old and you see this twisted up woman crawling
Speaker 1: towards the camera and this that that is what my
Speaker 1: mind harkened to watching Yesterday's thing. But again, maybe it's
Speaker 1: because I was a child, Maybe it's because they did
Speaker 1: it way creepier in pet cemetery, but her just laying
Speaker 1: there more realistic. Absolutely, can people relate to that experience.
Speaker 1: I'm sure in a horror it just I'm sure there
Speaker 1: is a target audience. There are clearly people that gave
Speaker 1: this five and four and a half stars that just
Speaker 1: thought they saw pure cinema.
Speaker 2: It just so for you, the mother not creepy enough
Speaker 2: for a horror movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was just it was it was
Speaker 1: more sad than it was creepy, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like that that's how I look at that. And there
Speaker 1: was never again to bring it back to smile that
Speaker 1: focuses on a sick mother, and they handled that the
Speaker 1: appropriate way. And I was sitting there like, man, I
Speaker 1: am uneasy for one hundred straight minutes, for one hundred minutes,
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here waiting for shit to pop off, and
Speaker 1: I love this feeling, and like that is what I'm
Speaker 1: looking for.
Speaker 2: Are you glad that I kind of told you what
Speaker 2: I thought of this movie? Yes, prior because.
Speaker 1: It lessened my expectations and they still weren't met, right,
Speaker 1: And so that, I think though, provides me from not
Speaker 1: just completely suplexing this this movie.
Speaker 2: And I think because I feel like if I wouldn't
Speaker 2: have said anything to you about it, you would have
Speaker 2: been destroying everything about this movie.
Speaker 1: Our cold open would have been me MF and you
Speaker 1: for not giving me ahead of Yeah, exactly how did
Speaker 1: you not tell me? But like, and by the record,
Speaker 1: my spider sentences were up on this because we for
Speaker 1: those of you listening, we had to put this off
Speaker 1: for a week as a result of the snowstorm, and
Speaker 1: part of me wanted to say to you, but I
Speaker 1: let too much time go by. I'm like, since we
Speaker 1: skipped a week, do you just want to do ready
Speaker 1: or not? And keep pace because I'm really not interested.
Speaker 1: And then you said that, and I was like, son
Speaker 1: of a bitch, Yeah, should have so.
Speaker 2: So in regards to this, what attracted I know, what's
Speaker 2: what kind of attracted me too was the marketing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: for the emphasis on the audio and uh and when
Speaker 2: we do Project Tail Mary in a few weeks, I
Speaker 2: will have some things to say about the audio on
Speaker 2: that movie too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, on all practical effects already, I haven't even seen it,
Speaker 1: and I know that going into it. There's no green screen,
Speaker 1: blue screen, any of that stuff. They built the entire
Speaker 1: Fitch thing, which is awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, Ultimately, I think we both let our imaginations
Speaker 2: run wild on a film that had a half million
Speaker 2: dollar budget with a rookie director, a basically unheard of cast,
Speaker 2: almost exclusively unheard of cast, with one physical character in
Speaker 2: it because of the rest twos, no, there's more than two.
Speaker 2: There was the host, and there's audio files.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and then a couple of callers.
Speaker 2: Right sure, the callers I don't count, but the two
Speaker 2: people on the audio files, her host and her boyfriend. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's that's basically it. I think that kudos to the
Speaker 2: marketing team because it sucked us in, but ultimately we're disappointed.
Speaker 2: And what do they care because they got our tech
Speaker 2: balks or fifteen bucks at that point, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 1: So can I can I just say, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: at the movie theater that I go to, they are
Speaker 1: encouraged not to tell you the movie sucked because they
Speaker 1: obviously don't want to be like, oh yeah, never mind.
Speaker 1: So they always and a lot of them go and
Speaker 1: see all of the movies because they can do it
Speaker 1: for free. It's one of the perks of working there.
Speaker 1: And I went in and the woman who always gives
Speaker 1: me my ticket is like, so, what is it today?
Speaker 1: And I went I'm taking a risk with this one,
Speaker 1: and she goes, what's that and I went undertone and
Speaker 1: she just made a face and I was like that
Speaker 1: bad huh And she's like, well, what was the face?
Speaker 1: Like like like like it's like you know, yes. Then
Speaker 1: the manager of the movie theaters saw me and stop me,
Speaker 1: because she always likes to talk to me. I start
Speaker 1: talking to her and she's like, what is it this time?
Speaker 1: And I said undertone and she's like, oh, okay.
Speaker 2: She expected I mean what what what I mean? The
Speaker 2: again another big reason why we chose this. There wasn't
Speaker 2: a whole lot else coming out that weekend.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, absolutely.
Speaker 2: But so what are these people thinking? You're going to
Speaker 2: see Hail Mary Sir?
Speaker 1: Is that not even out? Yeah? Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah
Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah uh or probably ready or not? Which
Speaker 1: are next two movies there are probably up there that
Speaker 1: those obviously would have been more in our wheelhouse here.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, yeah, independent film and like
Speaker 1: one of them even like said that. After I said, like,
Speaker 1: it's an independent film, she goes, it is an independent film,
Speaker 1: and I was like, and I like to give those
Speaker 1: those flicks a shot, even though there's a chance I
Speaker 1: might come out of it. Absolutely, I'd rather hate something
Speaker 1: rolling the dice than be like that was average, going
Speaker 1: with the safe bet that. That's always been my attitude
Speaker 1: in movies.
Speaker 2: I feel like independent film and wide release, for the
Speaker 2: most part, not always clearly not in this case. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it cancels each other out, you know, like, oh, it's
Speaker 2: an independent film. You're like, eh, but it did get
Speaker 2: a wide release.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you independent film isn't to me, like like
Speaker 1: there there's plenty of times when I.
Speaker 2: Know it is to me because I'm playing the odds
Speaker 2: because most independent film is not very good. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: then you get that every once in a while you
Speaker 2: get that banger.
Speaker 1: Yeah you're like, yes, was an independent film. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know it seems like you enjoyed that of a
Speaker 1: violent nature. Made me want to die. And I was
Speaker 1: there for an hour and a half and like, do
Speaker 1: you know what that is? It's like literally from the perspective,
Speaker 1: you know, how you'd watch a Friday the thirteenth movie,
Speaker 1: and like the teenager'd be running for thirty seven thirty minutes,
Speaker 1: fall over, and then Jason, who has never moved beyond
Speaker 1: not even a brisk walk, just the slowest walk you
Speaker 1: could possibly imagine, is right behind her the second she
Speaker 1: falls over. Despite running that pace, this movie is basically like,
Speaker 1: we're gonna follow Jason instead, And it's just like the
Speaker 1: sauntering of a dude in a mask who was raised
Speaker 1: from the dead, and the whole movie is from his perspective.
Speaker 1: So you'd see the teenagers in the cabin, there'd be
Speaker 1: five or six of them, and like there was clearly
Speaker 1: some kind of relationship drama. You never get the whole
Speaker 1: story or a satisfying conclusion, because as soon as the
Speaker 1: guy walks away from the window, you no longer hear
Speaker 1: any more of that dialogue. It's not like the camera
Speaker 1: stays there. Sounds like a cool idea, right, I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, let's see where this goes.
Speaker 2: Nope, No, you know there's I actually wrote a paper
Speaker 2: on this back in college. There's this old Japanese film
Speaker 2: called Raschaman Okay, and it's about this murder. This came
Speaker 2: out in like the forties or the third's or something
Speaker 2: maybe even earlier. I don't I can't remember. This guy
Speaker 2: gets murdered and nobody knows like what happened, right, So
Speaker 2: they're trying to figure out and and the same murder
Speaker 2: scene is shown like four or five different ways, from
Speaker 2: four or five different perspectives, and dependent upon the perspective,
Speaker 2: you think you know what happened, right, And so this
Speaker 2: is like now, it's become a thing in cinema called
Speaker 2: the rash amount effect where we see this and I
Speaker 2: think you and I have talked about this too, where
Speaker 2: we see was it was there a Terrence Howard movie
Speaker 2: or what were we talking about where it was like
Speaker 2: a shooting and it was told from all these different perspectives.
Speaker 2: It was like a fairly new movie, like within the
Speaker 2: last twenty years or so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, vantage point, vantage point.
Speaker 2: Yeah Forrest Whitaker, maybe he's Okay, who did I say,
Speaker 2: Terrence Howard? I'm such a racist? So so any so,
Speaker 2: anyway that that would have been cool, Yeah, had you
Speaker 2: had the killertive.
Speaker 1: Last, yes, and you had the rest of the story.
Speaker 1: To me, it just seems like you couldn't think of
Speaker 1: a story.
Speaker 2: Think of the cool things you could have done yeah,
Speaker 2: knowing all the stories right, and then the killer doing
Speaker 2: something like, oh, that's awesome because of this person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly I could have been that, but it wasn't,
Speaker 1: and that got all these accolades. Uh A violent of
Speaker 1: or wait, a violent nature?
Speaker 2: A violent nature?
Speaker 1: Yes, and like it's not. I realized this is about undertone.
Speaker 1: If I can just bitch one more second about this.
Speaker 1: They also really didn't add any music, so like design, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: but like so in a Friday the Thirteenth movie, there's
Speaker 1: one where like someone sticks metal into Jason's coffin and
Speaker 1: then lightning strikes it and that kind of like resuscitates,
Speaker 1: somebody comes to life in the intense organ is playing
Speaker 1: and all these dramatic sound effects. In of a Violent Nature,
Speaker 1: there is a camera focused on a gold necklace hanging
Speaker 1: from a tree branch which belonged to the mother of
Speaker 1: whatever the hell that thing is. In the ground, someone
Speaker 1: is like doing something in the woods. They see it,
Speaker 1: they're like oh, and they scoop it and they just
Speaker 1: walk away, and then the camera focuses on the ground
Speaker 1: where nothing is happening for probably about ninety straight seconds,
Speaker 1: and then slowly you start to see the earth move
Speaker 1: and this thing climbs out. No music, no fanfare, no nothing.
Speaker 1: It just climbs out and just starts walking, just starts
Speaker 1: walking towards wherever that gold necklace ended up going. And
Speaker 1: like that's how the movie starts. That's literally I'm describing
Speaker 1: the first five minutes of the movie too. There's almost
Speaker 1: no dialogue. I would say it's close to sixty minutes.
Speaker 1: I went to go see it with Jason Slade from
Speaker 1: KISSFM and then Jeff our former videographer. Yeah, it got
Speaker 1: to the point where at one point Jeff and I
Speaker 1: and it's a quiet movie. It's like watching Castaway with
Speaker 1: Tom Hanks. There's no sound, there's no nothing. We were
Speaker 1: laughing hysterically because we couldn't believe an how we're into
Speaker 1: the movie what we were watching, And like you roll
Speaker 1: the dice going to see an independent movie, that's the case.
Speaker 1: Like I could not because it's just step step tree branch,
Speaker 1: crack step step, you know, step in a puddle, step
Speaker 1: in a puddle, step like get out of here, this
Speaker 1: is what we're watching.
Speaker 2: You know. What's funny about that is like you know,
Speaker 2: you think about your expectations going like if you if
Speaker 2: if you knew this as an independent film, it obviously
Speaker 2: changes the way you look at it, where you could
Speaker 2: be watching the exact same thing, but if you knew
Speaker 2: it was directed by Quentin Tarantino, it would have a
Speaker 2: whole different effect. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 2: even though you're watching the exact same.
Speaker 1: Thing, and to that point, the violence, because it's of
Speaker 1: a violent nature. Yeah, and I'm sure that's that they
Speaker 1: tried to punctuate that way. Like one woman's doing yoga
Speaker 1: and this guy grabs her by the hair, bends her
Speaker 1: backwards at the spine, and then pulls her head through
Speaker 1: her stomach. Oh my, you can picture that, and they
Speaker 1: show it pretty aggressively. And just to aside, he like
Speaker 1: grabs her and he pulls, bends her backwards and then
Speaker 1: grabs her through her stomach and pulls her through the
Speaker 1: other side, and we all couldn't.
Speaker 2: Start reaching through her stomach and yeah, and then.
Speaker 1: Pulls her through. Like There's a lot of moments like that,
Speaker 1: and they punctuate nothing just nothing happening. Any of the
Speaker 1: other times that's independent films. I would have loved a
Speaker 1: head being pulled through a stomach in this That might
Speaker 1: have recaptured my attention forty minutes in. Yeah, there is
Speaker 1: no moment like that. There's nothing, nothing.
Speaker 2: I I think it would have been cheap to throw
Speaker 2: something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it absolutely would have. I'm being tongue in cheek now,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying there was no more. There was no equivalent. Again,
Speaker 1: I equate yesterday's undertone to to like the Conjuring. I
Speaker 1: don't even like the Conjuring movies, but there are moments
Speaker 1: like when the Crooked Man pops up. You're like, like,
Speaker 1: what was that? And like he does he barely even
Speaker 1: has to do anything, and she just has to be there,
Speaker 1: and You're like, oh my.
Speaker 2: God, Well, isn't that the one with the Red Demon
Speaker 2: or whatever? Or is that something that is that is?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, how do I I've seen that movie
Speaker 1: three times. I'm blanking on the names.
Speaker 2: Just google Red Demon, Insidious. I don't even Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: what it is. Yes, all right, I have nothing.
Speaker 1: And for the record, Insidious is another possession, one that
Speaker 1: actually captivated me. So just to say it can be done.
Speaker 1: These guys are bad. I have nothing to say.
Speaker 2: Do you struggle just before we wrap the again, do
Speaker 2: you struggle with watching films like The Exorcists. Now given
Speaker 2: everything that we can do, not we, but everything that
Speaker 2: filmmakers can do with.
Speaker 1: The original exercise, I'd argue there are moments in that
Speaker 1: movie that have yet to be recreated again, and it
Speaker 1: actually makes me mad that no one is copying some
Speaker 1: of them, like the random. The closest comparison I can
Speaker 1: make is Fight Club, where they would flash subliminal images
Speaker 1: of you, but they just like hit you with a
Speaker 1: random satan face like nowhere, Like there's like in a cupboard,
Speaker 1: there's like he's like what he hell? Like I wish
Speaker 1: movies did that kind of stuff, just like let you
Speaker 1: in Bulky's Favorite Cabin in the Woods. There's a point where.
Speaker 2: I don't call it sarcastically my favorite because I did
Speaker 2: like that movie.
Speaker 1: But at one point, what's the main dude who's in
Speaker 1: the underground facility? The older guy? I don't know what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's Richard Jenkins and it's the guy from
Speaker 2: Billy Madison. Yeah yeah, Bradley Bradley Woodford. Richard Jenkins looks
Speaker 2: at me and goes, are you even listening to me?
Speaker 2: And then the title pops up with the loudest noise
Speaker 2: because they've been rambling for so long that you're kind
Speaker 2: of zoning out and then it hits you and you
Speaker 2: kind of jump back in. And it's so well done
Speaker 2: because it's a brilliant movie and there is no He
Speaker 2: is such a good actor for like what he gets.
Speaker 2: He's he's so easy. Oh yeah, he's a he's a
Speaker 2: chameleon man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he could be in a comedy with a step brothers.
Speaker 2: Good. He's done. So he was. He was in that
Speaker 2: Africa movie. I don't know how many years ago this
Speaker 2: was now where he was. I think he got nominated
Speaker 2: for a Cat to Me Award, but he didn't win
Speaker 2: for Best Actor. But he was the patriarch on Six
Speaker 2: Feet Under for all those years too. I didn't watch it.
Speaker 1: I'm familiar with it. Yeah, there's a bunch if I
Speaker 1: thought about it. Yeah, he's been all over he's he's
Speaker 1: definitely he's.
Speaker 2: Uh. I'd love to see a movie with him and
Speaker 2: Stanley Tucci, you know, because I think they play off
Speaker 2: each other well. But I think it'd just be overkilled
Speaker 2: because they're they're so similar as far as actors and stuff.
Speaker 2: I was watching the other day, I was watching this,
Speaker 2: you know, the movie Spotlight.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh. And there's a scene with Stanley Tucci and Mark
Speaker 2: Ruffalo where Mark Ruffalo is learning about how the Catholic
Speaker 2: Church removed these documents from public record, you know, and
Speaker 2: and and ruff and Tucci's explaining this to to to Ruffalo,
Speaker 2: and Ruffalo is like, what you're essing me? Only didn't say,
Speaker 2: and Tucci just stops and goes, what, No, I'm not
Speaker 2: essing you just it was so it was so matter.
Speaker 2: I'm just like, who delivers that line? But stalely Tucci. Anyway,
Speaker 2: moving on.
Speaker 1: For the review here, I still have the reviews up
Speaker 1: from Rotten Tomatoes. The Bee gave it a half a
Speaker 1: star out of five and said stage four pancreatic cancer.
Speaker 1: And that's it for the view. I'm not willing to
Speaker 1: go that far, but I'd say three.
Speaker 2: That's what I was. I had three. I just I
Speaker 2: couldn't couldn't get into it. Sometimes after the film, I'll watch,
Speaker 2: you know, I'll watch a film and I'll be like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, this is cool. I should have paid more
Speaker 2: attention to this. Now I understand this, and I'll go
Speaker 2: back and I'll rewatch it and I'll actually enjoy it
Speaker 2: the second time. No, desire to rewatch this. I just
Speaker 2: I'm not putting myself through it again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no scenario where I see this movie again. Conversely,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to jinx it. I've looked nothing
Speaker 1: up about this, and I don't know if you ever
Speaker 1: or not either, but ready or not? Two is the
Speaker 1: next one, in my opinion, the first one hell of
Speaker 1: a sleeper. Very you haven't seen the first one yet, No,
Speaker 1: I have to watch. Okay, cool that. I won't say
Speaker 1: anything beyond that. Pleasantly surprised by the first one. Is
Speaker 1: it a lightning in the bottle scenario or can they
Speaker 1: recreate it twice? We'll find out. But the I'm very excited.
Speaker 1: Samorrow Weaving, who is the main actress in that. She
Speaker 1: is in the Babysitter movies. She was in Borderline with
Speaker 1: Jack Nicholson's kid. I can't think of his name right now.
Speaker 2: She was look her up right now on Wikipedia or IMDb.
Speaker 2: She just got added to the cast of some big
Speaker 2: television show or maybe it was a sequel, like I
Speaker 2: can't think of what it was now, but I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, she's in this. Kamonos is just telling
Speaker 2: me about She is from Oh, what were you watching?
Speaker 2: Was she in the intro scene to Scream? Is that
Speaker 2: what it was? Sick Scream? Yeah, that's what it was. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're just telling me I watched. She didn't just get
Speaker 2: added to it. It just happened for me because I
Speaker 2: just watched Screams.
Speaker 1: And I don't think it's any coincidence. It's the same
Speaker 1: reason they put Drew Barrymore in the first one is
Speaker 1: because tomorrow Weaving very quietly is becoming the scream Queen
Speaker 1: of the twenty twenties. If she's in it. It's kind
Speaker 1: of like, from my perspective, I'm like, well, I'm at
Speaker 1: least going to see it. It doesn't mean it's gonna
Speaker 1: be great, but I will probably see it if she's
Speaker 1: in it, because I normally find myself entertained by whatever
Speaker 1: she decides to attach herself to.
Speaker 2: By the way, before we wrap, are we gonna do
Speaker 2: Scream seven?
Speaker 1: By the way, if we are, we have to do
Speaker 1: it really quick. I mean, now that you're caught up,
Speaker 1: i'd do it, but I feel like we'd have to
Speaker 1: do that next week because I can't imagine it's gonna
Speaker 1: be sticking around much longer.
Speaker 2: I was actually surprised. I was at the theater the
Speaker 2: other day. I was surprised that it was still there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, I guess it did well at the box office. Well,
Speaker 2: we could skip it.
Speaker 1: It's fine, okay.
Speaker 2: Wall, we don't have to. I mean, if we're really
Speaker 2: I'm going to watch it with my son because it's
Speaker 2: the only one we haven't seen yet.
Speaker 1: I do want to ask before we wrapped it up,
Speaker 1: because as someone who's like kind of removed from Scream, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I found Scream six to have a lot of contrivances,
Speaker 1: but I also really enjoyed it. It is someone watching
Speaker 1: it who doesn't have like that sweet spot yeah for Scream,
Speaker 1: What did you think of the sixth one?
Speaker 2: Scream six is widely regarded as one of the best
Speaker 2: Scream movies by critics.
Speaker 1: And that's madness because there's a lot of holes in
Speaker 1: that plot that make no freaking sense.
Speaker 2: I think I'm thinking of the it ends in the
Speaker 2: sort of like the museum. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you
Speaker 2: if you look at go on Wikipedia, it's one of
Speaker 2: the first things that says is this was this. Everybody
Speaker 2: loved this.
Speaker 1: When I was a child, I watched I loved the
Speaker 1: Gremlins movies with like Gizmo and all that shit. And
Speaker 1: in the first when it ends with Spike the leader
Speaker 1: Gremlin and like, he's been terrifying your child, he's been
Speaker 1: terrifying the main character in the main family the whole movie.
Speaker 1: And in the last scene they're like, how do you
Speaker 1: up the anny one more time? And they give him
Speaker 1: a gun, And.
Speaker 3: Ever since, ever since that sequence, even as a child,
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, that's such an obvious progression that I
Speaker 3: can't believe more movies than take And then Scream six,
Speaker 3: when they're moving around the convenience store and all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, ghost Face pulls out a shotgun. I'm like,
Speaker 3: what an obvious move to make that they've never done until.
Speaker 2: This, but because it's so much scared, but because it
Speaker 2: didn't match up with the the the edgen right, no,
Speaker 2: all you know that that's what my son he he
Speaker 2: loves trying to figure out who the killer is, you know,
Speaker 2: and basically he's like, oh, it's him. Oh it's hurt
Speaker 2: like everybody, Yeah, of course you know that. And then
Speaker 2: in Scream six, I feel like I can spoil this
Speaker 2: because it's been out a few years. Right in Scream six,
Speaker 2: he did think that the tall kid with the curly hair,
Speaker 2: the roommate of what's his name, he did say it
Speaker 2: was him, okay, but he never said Dermott mulroney, and
Speaker 2: he never said the girl the room right. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: movie he never well, I wasn't seven minutes, but he
Speaker 2: never which was awesome because I think, like, you know,
Speaker 2: this is the sixth iteration of it, and my kid,
Speaker 2: who's definitely into it, he he couldn't you know where
Speaker 2: this is, like why he watches it is trying to
Speaker 2: figure it out. He couldn't figure it out.
Speaker 1: So why I liked to give you some insight it
Speaker 1: might make you like the movie more Because I obviously
Speaker 1: grew up on the original trilogy. I was twelve years
Speaker 1: old when the third one came out, so that should
Speaker 1: put in.
Speaker 2: I might have shared this with you just real quickly.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I a bunch of my friends we were seeing a
Speaker 2: movie one day and then somebody else went like, oh,
Speaker 2: I want to see this movie. I'm like, I'll go
Speaker 2: see that movie with you, and whatever happened, like we
Speaker 2: could we all had to see like my two separate
Speaker 2: sets of friends had to see it on the same day.
Speaker 2: But it's two different movies, but I bought tickets for everybody.
Speaker 2: So I ended up buying like eight tickets, four for
Speaker 2: Scream the original Scream huh, and then four for Beavis
Speaker 2: and butt Head Do America. And we said, and I
Speaker 2: saw both of those, like like, you know, you went
Speaker 2: in you I think I watched Beavis and butt Head first,
Speaker 2: came out, had a piece of sabarro pizza and a soda,
Speaker 2: and then went back in and watched and watched Scream.
Speaker 2: It was great.
Speaker 1: I'm here for that. I probably would have just snuck
Speaker 1: into it, but I hear you, yeah, But Scream two,
Speaker 1: which I saw a billion times. In that movie, the
Speaker 1: killer is Billy Loomis's mom, who's a reporter who barely
Speaker 1: shows up, much older than the bulk of the cast,
Speaker 1: and she'd always show up and she'd get treated like shit,
Speaker 1: and she was the reporter that nobody cared about. And
Speaker 1: Scream six is essentially a remake of Scream two. And
Speaker 1: so I'm sitting there and I'm like, okay, so, knowing that,
Speaker 1: who would the killer be? And I'm like, son of
Speaker 1: a gun, it's gonna be Gail Weathers because she would
Speaker 1: pop up the same way Billy Loomis's mom would pop up,
Speaker 1: and then in the scene when they when they try
Speaker 1: to kill her, which obviously doesn't go the way that
Speaker 1: they plan. The killer is even saying you probably like
Speaker 1: it would have made the most sense if it were
Speaker 1: you and that was the killer. Literally talking to people
Speaker 1: that love Scream too, that are like, oh, and I
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, this movie's good. Like that made me
Speaker 1: overlook so many of the contrivances like that one scene.
Speaker 1: I'm like, they shot this movie in a way to
Speaker 1: make people like me think they outsmarted the movie and
Speaker 1: then rubbed it in our face. They wanted us down
Speaker 1: that pathway. I'm like, this is good movie making. I
Speaker 1: figured out a subway scene. That's a good movie. I
Speaker 1: take back what I said.
Speaker 2: That's a good movie when they're in the subway. Six Yeah, yeah, anyway,
Speaker 2: go on Scream. This is sort of like when I
Speaker 2: became jaded with the film industry because Lori metcalf Is
Speaker 2: cast as Billy Loomis's mother.
Speaker 1: Okay, sure, I didn't even know her name.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she and she was she had been doing a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff. I mean she was on Roseanne for
Speaker 2: all those years.
Speaker 1: I never watched Roseanne religiously.
Speaker 2: But I mean I think she was an Emmy nominated
Speaker 2: now that you mentioned it, I think she was Emmy
Speaker 2: nominated for that, and she was in other stuff, like
Speaker 2: other television shows and other movies. And I'm like, you know,
Speaker 2: it's kind of bizarre that they're having Lori Metcalf play
Speaker 2: this reporter who's like intermittently in this scene. Briefly she
Speaker 2: gets her ass handed to her in this scene, and
Speaker 2: I was kind of like, there's.
Speaker 1: More going on here, that's funny, and.
Speaker 2: Then sure enough, and so that's when I kind of
Speaker 2: figured out, like, oh, okay, so if I see a
Speaker 2: kind of high brow actor, yeah, and it's clearly not
Speaker 2: just a cameo.
Speaker 1: Probably a little more to it. I like that.
Speaker 2: I wish I didn't, because it's it's ruined some films
Speaker 2: for me now, you know, and when I see stuff.
Speaker 2: But I think Hollywood's getting better at it too, because
Speaker 2: they don't. I mean, like with all the policies to
Speaker 2: term at mulroney, like his best acting hit maybe behind him.
Speaker 1: Sure, so the role he played there is always his
Speaker 1: role at this point. He's always like the dad that's
Speaker 1: like vaguely abusive who he is, so we're not doing
Speaker 1: Scream seven, then we're gonna.
Speaker 2: Do I mean, I feel like that should be a backup.
Speaker 2: I think if we plot this out over the next
Speaker 2: few weeks, so this will be released on Thursday, which
Speaker 2: is March twenty sixth, sixth, Yeah, so then we would
Speaker 2: have April second, would that be it? Yes?
Speaker 1: Because April first, yeah, we'd be recorded, right.
Speaker 2: So April second will be Ready or Not two, right, yes, okay,
Speaker 2: April ninth will be Hail Mary. And if I remember correctly,
Speaker 2: there wasn't a whole lot that I remember in the
Speaker 2: April release schedule, so maybe we could fall back on
Speaker 2: Scream seven. Did you see it?
Speaker 1: I haven't, no, okay, and this is gonna be the
Speaker 1: first one since the first one that I haven't seen there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I don't know how to do.
Speaker 1: It then, yeah, unless we moved everything, because well that's
Speaker 1: just it. I don't even know if Ready or Not
Speaker 1: will last two more weeks, and I am looking forward
Speaker 1: to that.
Speaker 2: We we have to do. We have to do that
Speaker 2: one next week. Yeah, that's kind of non negotiable. Then
Speaker 2: I think what we do is this, we do Scream
Speaker 2: seven after that. If project Hail Mary is doing really well,
Speaker 2: and then we'll do Project Hail.
Speaker 1: Mary that works. That works, and if we miss it,
Speaker 1: I'm not even opposed to once it gets released on
Speaker 1: a streaming service or something, I'm not I'm not opposed
Speaker 1: to just catch you like we did Happy Gilmore. We've
Speaker 1: done a couple of what was the other one where
Speaker 1: they all switched bodies a couple.
Speaker 2: It's what's inside.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I mean, I wouldn't be against getting scream
Speaker 1: on here one way or another down the line. Okay,
Speaker 1: there's the inside baseball for the rest of you guys.
Speaker 1: I think we're going to enjoy everybody. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: that's gonna do for this one. Don't see undertone or
Speaker 1: do support of support an independent movie, but like also
Speaker 1: like this one sucked, and we'll be back next week
Speaker 1: with Ready or Not too