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Speaker 1: Hell, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the Penguin

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Review Series Episode four. Oh I didn't even change my name,

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still the clown Prince of Bowling Bowl Blow Bowling Blowing.

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You can check out our Patreon ause soon. That's in

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the name of Superman three. That retrospective will be coming

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you guys very soon, quite a time, or do Superman four.

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So yeah, patrons, get on that Patreon producers, you're gonna

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get them very soon. If you want to just become

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a regular Patreon you know Phase two and up. We'll

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get those monthly because Patreon. Right now we got Fantastic

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four and Superman which is going to be our exclusive

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retros for the next little bit here. So yes, and

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I'm joined by.

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Speaker 2: The window Taylor Field.

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Speaker 1: I thought you said the widow at first, so I

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was so confused, but yes, we are back. Kirkland should

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be maybe joining us in a little bit, but we'll see.

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But yeah, thank you to everybody that you know listens

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the podcast always just a little bit day later, because

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if you don't know, we are a Canadian podcast. So

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it was our Thanksgiving. We tried to do it last night,

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but all of us that's just how it goes as

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you think that, you know, dinner this time we're gonna

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do this time. You know, people are fire, alarms go

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off in Kirkland's sake. But yeah, just didn't work out.

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So we're here a little bit of day you know,

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dayly eight. But that's okay. Still a great episode to

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talk about. We have lots of good things happening this week.

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What we got after nine is happening this week. Mega

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are gonna be voting which Halloween move we're gonna be watching.

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Saturday at ten a m PST. Is it Saturday or Sunday?

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I don't want to scrow. It's Saturday, right, yeah, Saturday, Saturday.

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We're gonna be watching Pooh Blood Honey two. I don't

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think you need to see the first one, but I

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guess you always can.

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Speaker 2: But definitely need to watch the first one.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: I high all a universe's connected.

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Speaker 1: You gotta highly done it. I think you could get five.

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But yeah, it's our movie night. We do one every

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quarter and we're just gonna it's gonna be us with

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some patrons having a good time. I think last year's

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Halloween we watched the mean Ones. That was a fun time.

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So yeah, come join and lot's good stuff. Venom three

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predictions are coming up. We're reviewing this and Agatha every week,

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so check that out. Side quests will be happening, so

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there's always lots of good stuff on the feeds. And

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the most important thing is Extra Life is happening just

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under three weeks from now. Terry you ready, I've had

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everyone been like, oh it's that time again already and

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so yeah, it is that time again. So yeah, so

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you show me it is time. We are going to

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be staying up twenty four hours to raise funds for

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the BC's Children's Hospital. We would like to raise two

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thousand and five hundred dollars, so we very much appreciate that,

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even if it's just a dollar you could donut, We

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There's gonna be tons of fun things going on. We

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got trivia back. We're gonna be playing Twister the G

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each other. Kirklin and Delan do some chess. We're gonna

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be doing some three layer charades. We're gonna be doing

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oh gosh, what else is there? There's tons, tons of

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janga is at some point happening. We're gonna be doing

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a Marble arcadea where we're doing fight Club Tournament number two.

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Fight Club two's happening where it's just us INNA. Hopefully

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lot of us canna win. I went back and watched

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the footage. I forgot that Sarah's came in unpromptu and

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he won the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: So accepted my loss. I'm gonna fight.

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Speaker 3: But there's a few of those games, like, man, if

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it's not that original, what was that original fighting game

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we did? I just fucking popped off out of that's

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the one. Yeah, it's not that I don't know Kirk

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Immortal Kombat. Dylan just instinctively knows how to how to win,

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doing Marvel and Capcon from like the old. Yeah, we

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not sure if you've ever played. I think a lot

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could jazz. So, like I said, tune in our social

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media we'll be announcing more stuff. And if you can't donate,

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and your funds go towards, So we very much appreciate that. Taylor,

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what did you think of Offuly Nonsports episode four of Oh,

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I was so mad. I didn't know how to pronounce it.

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And then she said it in her toast like the

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name of the episodes, like Sekanti or something like that.

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I gotta adopt that. Now, last twenty four hours already

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already out of my brain, you know. So Tayla's looking up,

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Speaker 2: Weird, I don't even know how to spell it.

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Speaker 1: So we'll just put Penguins episode four. I'll look into it.

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Tell me about episode four.

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I think that this episode was wonderful. I

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you know, you go in and you're thinking you're gonna

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get like the follow up, just like Penguin Victor now

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and again non spoilers, you think you're gonna get them

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kind of like the explosion and the fall and everything

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going on with their their journey and everything after that

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last heated episode. But it's just a nice, uh, simmering

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narrative that's focusing on a certain story that is just great.

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more emphasis on this character. And I just thought this

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was this was awesome, And it's not all just following

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on this this little narrative. It takes a that's kind

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the end, and oh my god, where I get I've

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Speaker 2: What's going on here?

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Speaker 1: He's gonna mess the whole thing.

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Speaker 4: Oh you guys do with your settings?

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Speaker 3: And uh yeah, I just think that when you get

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just fantastic, because holy shit, it just last week definitely

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like oh man, like we're halfway through and the powers

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to be have really started to step into their shoes

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and so it's just gonna be absolutely bonkers.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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just addressing certain people, I was like, holy fuck, like

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this is crazy and it's just oh yeah, it's it's

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this and just how much of a player he really

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with Sophia. So yeah, it's just it's absolutely bonkers. Is

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just a fucking great episode. I love this show, so

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Speaker 2: But yeah, pass it along.

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Speaker 4: Well, good morning, gentlemen. Yes, I.

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Speaker 5: Fucking love this episode. This episode was absolutely insane. I

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it was very surprising, Like I wasn't expecting to get

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an episode like this really at all in this show,

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but it was. It was very welcome, definitely focusing more

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more of her backstory, and I was just kind of

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of the revelations was not what I was expecting to

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get in this season, and it just it added a

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spicy tale. So yeah, I thought it was really really

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good and then of course quality, it was just it's

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she goes places that I don't know. It's just wild

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to see and phenomenal performances and yeah, no this is

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the name of the episode, and the like the speech

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last sounds so cool. I'm gonna adopt that. And then

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I can't remember, but uh uh yeah no, I ecko

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shows we review lately we're like, oh, it'll be really

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great if we got just like a full flashback to

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the episode of this character, and we just don't because

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either the shows are too short or they're not like

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they're on many episodes, like, oh, we don't have time

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for that. But I think we talked about the like

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even Tay, I remember we talked about theh soak. I

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can't remember who the two names Ray Stevenson and his character,

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but yeah, currently didn't watch, but there was the two

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like sif like characters and the same thing, like all

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these characters wouldn't be great if we got like a

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whole flashback to tell a little bit about him how

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they meet. Unfortunately, Race Stevens passed away, so I imagine

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the recast. But I just feel like there's so many

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shows in the geek like fandom that we watched that

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need that that need like I, hey, we don't have

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enough context here, you know. Even I hope in an

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Aga thought that's something we've talked about last week tail

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where it's like I kind of think this is needed.

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I hope that happens where maybe it got too trophy

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for a while maybe people have got tired of the

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flashback episode, but to me, it's like there's a reason

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why they It was like a trope in most shows

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because you could learn a lot. And my second point

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is which I think they did really well, is they

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did revelations and they did reveals that if you watch

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episodes one to three, you wouldn't even know and didn't

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feel like a slap and a face or like a

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twist for the sake of a twist, like oh, we

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got you there. You didn't see this coming, and it's like, well,

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that's just dumb because that doesn't make sense or that

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feels very forced. This is stuff where oh I read

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that completely wrong. But now when you go back, even

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we'll talk about spoils, there's little things even last week

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that were said that's like, oh, like I don't think

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we even talked about Like that's odd, And then this

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week when you see the episode, you're like, oh, this

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makes complete sense now, so yeah, I don't know. It's

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just like like great TV one oh one, where it's

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just this character that you know spent ten years away.

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even then I thought this was a great hybrid because

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they even it was mostly a flashback, but mynor spoilers.

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day plot and important stuff too. It didn't feel like

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she took a drink out whole episode and then like

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at the end the glass is done, like oh next

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week on Penguin's like no, there's like at least ten

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to fifty minutes. It was like, oh shit, now we're again,

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and then completely new spot. And I think the series,

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different place than I thought for sure. Even last week,

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I'm like, oh, os will find his way out of

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this situation. It's like, that's right. I don't think so anymore,

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like I think and this one I love again. I'm

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not trying to bring other stuff down and raise this,

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but I feel like episodes like this for the shows

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we've reviewed lately happened in like the second or third

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last episode where it's like, okay, we're just set up

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for the finale, and even then we'll either say there's

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too much to do, or it's like, we really wish

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this happened earlier. This episode four, we're not even halfway,

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or I always forget I think it's eight episodes, right,

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is it eight?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so even then halfway point two things one, all

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these episodes are a full hour, so we got, you know,

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at least around four hours left, and it's happening in

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the midway. Like I would have been so pissed if

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this was which happens A Loney's the penultimate episode and

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then the finale they have to rush to wrap everything up, right,

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It's like, we can take our time with this, so no,

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they're just this for me was easily the best episode

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I know. Last week in our discord there's a debate

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of like one versus three. I completely forgot, like get

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that one, but this for me is like it's up

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there for multi and even awe, it's like we got

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to see different shades. So it's just man, it's just

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it's just great. It can't say enough about it, you know,

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not enough good things about it. So we read to

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get to spoilers here. Oh yeah, Helia hell yes's okay,

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a little breaking the fourth wall. Taylor Kirklam, Who's uh,

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who's taking this one? I can't take this. I got

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family downstairs, so I don't want to take this one.

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So sure I got it, big threat. All right, we'll

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So yes, if if you didn't watch the episode, or

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if you did whatever, but dancing around, what happens is

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we pick up right where we see a little bit

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more of the conversation from last week when Penguin and

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Christina were Christina fucks up. Few were on their knees

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at least last week. It was oh, like, I wonder

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what happened and Penguin left her so you could see

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the whole you could see the line right of Penguin. Oh,

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I didn't know what to do. I thought they got you.

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I'm so happy or alive. This was so like I

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can't remember her name, but the one of the Maroney

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crime bosses that the Lady always praised, just talking oz

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and I was just like, yeah, like I don't need her,

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I just need to bring around for this. But she

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means nothing to me, Like he's just saying all this

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bad shit and again he's just he reminds me of

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like an evil version of Jack Sparrow, because Jack Sparrow

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would do that right where anytime he got caught, It's

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like he would turn on a situation, but he literally

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is just saying like, yeah, you could, Like I'm paraphrasing,

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but he's pretty much just saying you could kill her,

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like I don't really need her. We're just we're I

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just needed to bring in the drug. Like it's just

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he does. Because I even thought for a minute he

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would try to like talk like candidly and like maybe

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not like say so much so Sophia would pick up.

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But he just also Sophia like right away, he doesn't

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even wait, he doesn't even fucking wait, and as such

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a good juxtaposition last week, and he's like, oh, you know,

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you just go trust me, I'll show you. And it's

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just like I don't, like, do you guys think there's

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any chance Sophia like on purpose will and I guess too.

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She insiny way that he killed Alberto too, so that's

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like that's kind of fucked up now too.

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Speaker 2: So anything he left her, she saw that he just

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drove off and left her, so like.

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Speaker 1: She physically saw, Yeah, they loked eyes, they and I

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just saw he looked at her and then they left.

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But super Night says, fun fact that title, I've already

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forgotten it. Satanianiani Shaitani is an Italian toasted loosely translate

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made those live one hundred years. Well that didn't happen

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in this episode, but we'll get there. But Taylor's what's

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AZ up to next week?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that they This episode was just kind

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of like setting up the scene and you just hear

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like the narration over the top of Oz just saying

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like or Sophia's like, how can I trust to And

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She's like, well, I'll show you how, and that just

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cuts to him.

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Speaker 2: Like like, yeah, the fuck her. I didn't need her.

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Speaker 3: I've always been little to you guys, like just totally

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just turn and turn in a dime here.

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Speaker 2: It was just it was great.

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Speaker 3: I did not expect him to actually do that. I

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thought he was gonna pull something out of his butt

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and maybe this is all part of a plan. He

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was trying to like set them up the Maroni so

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that he could prove to Sofia like hey, I'm actually

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working with you for this, like there's something and uh yeah,

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it just.

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Speaker 2: It didn't work like that.

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Speaker 3: He he got the fuck out of there, and Sophia

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I thought, I didn't think it was gonna die, but

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I thought, man, this is not going good for her.

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I did not expect to get the flashback with her character,

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but he had just everything like with oz just it

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was great. Holy shit, it was great. And I'm okay

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with him being the back seat in this episode too.

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I feel like, well, I got was great and I

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can just kind of stew on that and then we

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can tackle him after the fact. I don't know what

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he's gonna do because I feel like what Sophia said this.

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Speaker 2: Point, or was it at this point, maybe it was

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at the end when she was with the.

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Speaker 3: Therapist, but she says like, I got no, like, my

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family doesn't want me here, I gotta go. If I

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don't go, they'll kill me. And I got like, no,

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her lab has gone to she's she's really fucked. And

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I feel like, okay, that's the same position as oz

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Oz is fucked by both families. Now, So what is

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he going? What is he gonna pull out? All he

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got is his life right now and VIC and a

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damaged car.

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Speaker 2: So I'm not sure what he's got.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he has, he's got a sister, got the sister

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and his mom. He's got his mom too, don't forget her.

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She'll be in the third actress with the machine mom

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to he's got the whole Carlotle family, but uh no,

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Like that's is interesting. I guess we'll get there eventually,

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but it's just I'm even curious with Sophia, like how

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does that work as far as Okay, Carmine dies, right,

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and then okay, it's gonna go to Alberto he dies, Okay,

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then it goes to uh the uncle slash brother, right,

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But like, clearly this was not I don't think, as

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we learn in this episode, she at one point's gonna

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take over the family question her dad once done, you're out,

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So I don't think the next person in line was her.

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So I was just even thinking about like bank accounts,

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like like I feel like there's a natural like hey,

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here's all the falcony, you know, trust fund, everything you

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get in an email document, a folder, all the lawyers, right,

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and maybe that's why Johnny's alive, So we'll see I

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guess that's why. But whenever, I'm like, how does she

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still take over? Though? Like how does she get access

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to this and that and that? So that's why I'm

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wondering if that's how they're gonna make it that she

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doesn't make it the Batman too, or some of the

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family or the people that work for them, or it's

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kind of like she's like, well, I'm a Falcone, I

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run it, but it's like, well, technically you don't because

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like you weren't handed. And I wonder somehow if they

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might trust Az because he's been around longer than her now, right,

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because she was locked up for ten years. So I

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don't know, maybe next week it just picks up and

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it's classic like everyone works for her, but I just

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I'm wondering how that works because she definitely was not

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in the succession plan anymore, right.

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Speaker 2: So maybe it goes to the little girl.

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Speaker 1: That's why she kept her alive.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe, yeah, Yeah, It's it's funny. I was kind

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of just chuckling at the start of this episode because

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of course, last week we're like speculating, like, oh, how's

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he gonna get out of this? Like when are they

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gonna have that conversation between him and Sophia, like how

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everybody knows each other? Well, they fucking had it last week.

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We just we're privy to that information. And yeah, I

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it's just like man like penguin just showing his cards

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right then, and there and Sofia's just like shocked reaction,

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and then yeah, that was that was such a good

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start to the episode because like the score in the background,

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I I can't even remember exactly what it was, but

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it was like a higher pitched tone as if it's

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just like a like a flash bang went off, and

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it's just like a big reveal for like Sophia's perspective

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on what's happening, like literally just Mike dropped Mike dropped

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moment for her, like from Penguin of just like getting

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all this information. She's probably like in shock, like physically

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because like she's realizing like her brother she loved and

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then Oz the one that betrayed her. And then I

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love how that just triggers like the flashback, Like it

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was just like a perfect way to start the episode

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and get us into this flashback. Like it's even better

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than if it would have just started to like her

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way back in the day, and like it we just

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get like a whole flashback episode from that point. I

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feel like the fact that we picked up from last

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week carry the intensity of just like the ambush and

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everything like it. It just set a good tone to

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start the episode, and I don't know. It was just

471
00:21:31,039 --> 00:21:32,799
like a good plate set setter for what we were

472
00:21:32,799 --> 00:21:35,279
about to get, and what we're about to get was

473
00:21:35,319 --> 00:21:38,920
just like terrifying and like, I feel like, up until

474
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:43,200
this point, I didn't really believe Sophia when she said

475
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:44,960
she wasn't the Hangman, Like I thought she was too

476
00:21:45,079 --> 00:21:49,440
psychologically like triggered, which she's misunderstood.

477
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, like she's not trying to be a serial killer.

478
00:21:51,519 --> 00:21:53,119
It's like, well I did this for X, Y and Z.

479
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:54,400
I'm not the fucking like person.

480
00:21:54,519 --> 00:21:57,200
Speaker 5: I'm not the Riddler, right, yeah, yeah, exactly, because like

481
00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,079
I feel like, although she's got some some traits, she

482
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,759
felt very defensive anytime someone said the Hangman or anything

483
00:22:04,839 --> 00:22:08,119
like that, and it's it's kind of like how Penguin

484
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:09,319
reacts with someone calls him like a.

485
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:10,119
Speaker 4: Rat or something.

486
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 5: He's just like instant of super defensive. Yeah. So yeah,

487
00:22:15,319 --> 00:22:18,480
that was just like shocking, the like that revelation that

488
00:22:19,079 --> 00:22:22,359
Carmine Falcone would do that to like his own family member.

489
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,359
And then like it's one thing to just like, Okay,

490
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,480
I'm gonna teach her a lesson, do like a weekend

491
00:22:27,519 --> 00:22:30,440
and Arkham scared straight sort of style, but like Yeah,

492
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,519
he literally like permanently fucked her, and then I guess

493
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,160
from that fucked his whole legacy, right because of like

494
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,400
what happens like what she does later on. So it

495
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,559
was just like a mind blowing like revelation episode of

496
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,359
just like everything fall into place, and then by the

497
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:46,720
end of it, it's like, oh my god, we're not

498
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,759
We're never going back to how things were before this episode.

499
00:22:49,799 --> 00:22:53,480
So yeah, I was just I don't know, I really

500
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,200
really like the the start of it and how you

501
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,519
mentioned Taylor, Like how the episode even before we see anything,

502
00:22:59,559 --> 00:23:01,680
it just had like that line from last week of

503
00:23:01,759 --> 00:23:02,839
like how can I ever trust you?

504
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:07,279
Speaker 1: It's like, don't worry, like it's gonna Yeah.

505
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,640
Speaker 5: The first thing we see is like him betraying her,

506
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,559
and it's just like, oh my god, So that this

507
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,559
is this is gonna be an intense like back half

508
00:23:13,599 --> 00:23:16,559
of the series now of just kind of.

509
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 4: Like it it on one end.

510
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,319
Speaker 5: It's interesting because we don't really get to see a

511
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,640
lot of dynamics between Sophia and the rest of the family.

512
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:30,400
Now we still have what's buddy' name Johnny. Yeah, so

513
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,359
so that's gonna be interesting. I thought for sure she

514
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,319
was gonna she was gonna end him right then and there.

515
00:23:34,319 --> 00:23:37,599
But uh yeah, no, I I am very much excited

516
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,359
to see because I I feel like she's just gonna

517
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,440
be like so souped up on like the scary level

518
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,680
for at least Oz and his his allies, like he

519
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,319
no one's safe in his circle.

520
00:23:48,839 --> 00:23:51,640
Speaker 3: Uh do you guys think that when that reporter first

521
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,559
approached Sophia in that flashback? I have the gist that, Okay,

522
00:23:54,599 --> 00:23:57,200
did Oz set this up? I don't know what really

523
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,559
what point like he started putting things in motion? Was

524
00:23:59,559 --> 00:24:01,519
he just this thing? And like the first step against

525
00:24:01,559 --> 00:24:03,319
her was him just riding her out?

526
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,319
Speaker 1: Well? I don't That's that's what's so interesting with Oz,

527
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,200
right because one thing I liked about this episode where

528
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,440
we said all the first three episodes, he's still a villain,

529
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,160
but we're kind of liking him. We're at this episode,

530
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,400
I go, man, like, again, what a piece of shit?

531
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,559
Like even like in a whole loyalty with criminals, like

532
00:24:17,559 --> 00:24:19,400
you just sold out Sophia, like right, and not even

533
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,319
because we knew he was gonna go with her, but

534
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,000
this is like literally like making her walk the plank,

535
00:24:24,079 --> 00:24:25,759
Like if you're selling out to Maroni's there's just gonna

536
00:24:25,759 --> 00:24:29,519
fucking execute her. But I feel like, and that's where

537
00:24:29,599 --> 00:24:31,240
last week too, he said, oh, I'm not a rat.

538
00:24:31,319 --> 00:24:34,160
I don't think he. I don't think he set the

539
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,119
reporter who the reports a combo character too. And there's

540
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,400
another one we'll talk about later. I don't think he

541
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,400
set that up. But I think he was just talking

542
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,720
to car Mine to just kind of like brown nose

543
00:24:44,759 --> 00:24:47,279
a little bit, like get some good word. And I

544
00:24:47,319 --> 00:24:49,480
don't think as well either, Like I I don't know,

545
00:24:49,519 --> 00:24:52,240
maybe I'm wrong to believe. I probably am. He's Oz

546
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,519
is working me too. I just feel like when Oz

547
00:24:54,559 --> 00:24:56,200
last week said like, oh I didn't know, like I

548
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,200
didn't mean for that to like he he was apologetic

549
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,400
and now we know why because of what happened to her, right,

550
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,519
and he was trying to say like I never would have,

551
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,559
you know, thought that he was gonna go that route

552
00:25:05,599 --> 00:25:07,079
or that hard like I said, I'm paraphrase and whatever

553
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,599
speech was, he's talking about how he did feel sorry.

554
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:11,960
I don't I don't know if I can believe that

555
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,759
because he did just leave her to die, But I

556
00:25:13,799 --> 00:25:15,960
want to general I want to believe that maybe there's

557
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,519
a part of him that does think, because he even

558
00:25:18,519 --> 00:25:21,200
seemed like a little worked out when the cops were

559
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,480
taken in our way, right, So again I'm still thinking

560
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,680
my hope is that, hey, in a world where it's

561
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,880
penguin versus somebody, penguin is gonna choose himself. So you know, Victor,

562
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,920
look out your fucking dead man in four episodes. But

563
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,680
I still think there's like and I think that's what

564
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,680
makes all the great character. I think there is some

565
00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:39,480
regret there of Okay, it's different to go to prison,

566
00:25:39,519 --> 00:25:41,279
but she got sent to Arkham, which now we've seen

567
00:25:41,319 --> 00:25:43,279
in this episode is they've made it look like a

568
00:25:43,279 --> 00:25:45,359
really terrible place. It's not like some places where it's

569
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,359
just like, oh yeah, Arkham and it's just a jail, right,

570
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,680
It's like, okay, yeah, you're using the name, but nothing

571
00:25:49,759 --> 00:25:51,920
that crazy. So I don't think he set her up,

572
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,000
but I think he was just trying to get some

573
00:25:54,079 --> 00:25:58,160
brownie points and led her down a very bad path.

574
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,880
And now it makes to me even I can't literally

575
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,160
wait to rewatch this because now with her reluctantly working

576
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,359
with him, now I understand because not only was it

577
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,519
just he told on her, but like he put her

578
00:26:10,559 --> 00:26:13,799
down the path of a terrible decade. That's tough to

579
00:26:13,839 --> 00:26:16,000
work with that person, now, you know.

580
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 4: Oh one hundred percent.

581
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,279
Speaker 5: That was another thing I was thinking about while I

582
00:26:19,319 --> 00:26:21,319
was watching, is like I can't wait to rewatch the

583
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,640
show for many reasons because it's just you know, cop quality,

584
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:29,039
it's fantastic, But it just seemed like a perfect placement

585
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,839
for this type of episode too, where like we could

586
00:26:31,839 --> 00:26:34,039
have started the show and like been introduced to her

587
00:26:34,079 --> 00:26:36,319
whole story. It's like this is your player for the season,

588
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,519
and then you know, after that it's all modern episodes,

589
00:26:39,519 --> 00:26:41,759
but like you're really not invested at all in the

590
00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:43,880
story by that point other than just the hype of

591
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,960
the show, or you don't really know Sophia. So it's

592
00:26:46,039 --> 00:26:47,960
nice to kind of get introduced to her, hear a

593
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,279
couple things about her, and then jump here and then

594
00:26:50,319 --> 00:26:52,880
now we get to see what's actually real and it

595
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,480
really like how you're mentioning Like last week, there's of

596
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,559
course traits that we are rooting for the penguin, and

597
00:26:58,559 --> 00:27:00,519
Colin Farrell's fantastic, so of course we want to kind

598
00:27:00,519 --> 00:27:01,960
of roots.

599
00:27:02,039 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: Episode when he's the driver again.

600
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 5: I felt, yeah, it's like, man, like this is where

601
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,200
he gets the penguin name, like like yeah.

602
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: And he has none of that snarl and like in

603
00:27:13,079 --> 00:27:15,279
the like in the Driver, he feels full on like

604
00:27:15,319 --> 00:27:17,039
a kid who's been bullied his whole life, and he's

605
00:27:17,079 --> 00:27:20,000
like awkward, like when Alberto calls him the penguin, he

606
00:27:20,079 --> 00:27:22,359
like wins is a little and gets some shows like

607
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,200
oh man, I feel so bad for him. But then

608
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:28,480
you remember again like shit guy criminals, you know, dealing drugs.

609
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,759
But they did such good job of even again Colin

610
00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:33,599
Ferrell playing like a younger ping when they gave him

611
00:27:33,599 --> 00:27:37,119
like a little more hairy, but like he just felt

612
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,240
different still in the makeup. He felt like a different

613
00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:39,799
guy and.

614
00:27:39,759 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 5: It was so cool to see, Yeah, really really cool

615
00:27:42,279 --> 00:27:44,519
to see. So like from last week to this week,

616
00:27:44,559 --> 00:27:45,960
I feel like it just shifts a lot of the

617
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,480
way that I feel going forward for the rest of

618
00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:49,920
the show. For just I don't know how I feel

619
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,960
about certain characters. And it's really really nice placement for

620
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,759
that because like it's like if we would have had

621
00:27:54,799 --> 00:27:56,640
it earlier, I wouldn't have cared enough because I just

622
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,799
wouldn't have been invested. It would have happened way later

623
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,240
it's like, oh man, this is this is some juice

624
00:28:01,279 --> 00:28:02,599
we should have got a while ago. So I think

625
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,480
like dead Center halfway through the show is like honestly

626
00:28:05,519 --> 00:28:06,599
perfect for this episode.

627
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 4: And yeah, it's.

628
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,799
Speaker 5: Funny because like I feel like I love this episode

629
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,640
for many reasons, but like I also just really invested

630
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,960
in the character of Sofia. But like last week, we

631
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,480
also got a flashback of Vic and it just felt

632
00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:24,799
like such a different I don't know, like that one

633
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,880
was also more bite sized, whereas this is like a

634
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,200
lot to kind of throw at us this week, but

635
00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:32,920
it didn't really feel like two back to back flashback

636
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,680
episodes though, like like it felt like a nice placement

637
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:36,400
for it overall.

638
00:28:37,599 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 4: I don't know.

639
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,319
Speaker 5: I feel like there's something else was gonna mention in

640
00:28:39,359 --> 00:28:42,079
there with Sofia, but it's eluded me unfortunately.

641
00:28:44,359 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: Do you guys think that Penguin the next time he

642
00:28:46,519 --> 00:28:49,039
sees Sophia, dos he try it all to grease the

643
00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:51,000
wheels in one more time? Do Spinder? Do you think

644
00:28:51,039 --> 00:28:52,759
he even knows I never needed the maron.

645
00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:55,119
Speaker 4: I was just safety.

646
00:28:55,279 --> 00:28:57,079
Speaker 5: But I hope he's running in the opposite direction if

647
00:28:57,079 --> 00:28:58,160
you see Sofia.

648
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder to me, I feel like he's gonna

649
00:29:01,839 --> 00:29:04,880
try it, and then Sofia is gonna pretend, but that

650
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,440
will lead to him right away being danger I'm not sure.

651
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,839
I'm interested to see if Penguin will know the difference

652
00:29:10,839 --> 00:29:13,400
at the times to spin your wheels and the times

653
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,839
like I'm out of luck, and I don't know if

654
00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:17,839
Oz knows that yet, right, this might be the way

655
00:29:17,839 --> 00:29:19,759
he does knows, but he's he's always doing that. He's

656
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,000
like same thing Maroney's having dead to write on his knees,

657
00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:25,119
talking about how he killed the Alberto and he's going

658
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,680
right with them, Like, I don't know. I feel like

659
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,240
he's gonna try. He's gonna try a little bit, but

660
00:29:30,319 --> 00:29:32,400
I don't think it's gonna a stae work on Sophia

661
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,079
this time. I think she's pretty guided.

662
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 5: So definitely it's safe to kiss the boots of whoever

663
00:29:38,279 --> 00:29:39,799
is the gun pointing at you and whatever.

664
00:29:40,839 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, she gets a lot. Well, we see

665
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,640
a little bit she's working with stuff with her with

666
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,720
these charities about like women's suicide prevention, mental health, all

667
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,279
that type of stuff. Right, and then, uh, and we

668
00:29:54,279 --> 00:29:56,200
already talk about Oz, but you get to establish he's

669
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,480
the driver and everything, and you meet I can't remember

670
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,759
her name. She's even in the Batman animated series. A crap,

671
00:30:01,799 --> 00:30:04,240
But anyways, to the reporter, she's putting together a case

672
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,640
against her father. I'm putting a bunch of stuff together.

673
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,119
But it's a bunch of women that I've died by suicide.

674
00:30:09,119 --> 00:30:13,240
But there's always these like questionable things about them. Bruises,

675
00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:17,400
broken fingernails, not things you'd usually find on a suicide victim.

676
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,839
But so at this point it kind of gets established

677
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,519
at Alberto kind of a dumb fuck. He's not gonna

678
00:30:23,559 --> 00:30:27,200
be the guy around the family. Carmine gives it to Sofia,

679
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,480
but then later on Sofia has some questions about her

680
00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:32,839
mom and everything like that, and then right away you

681
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,960
just see Carmine going to true Gas like, oh you're sick,

682
00:30:36,079 --> 00:30:38,720
like there's something wrong with you. And then you can

683
00:30:38,759 --> 00:30:41,119
tell it's a bad conversation. Now, did I think it

684
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:42,599
was gonna go from one to one hundred like that

685
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,519
where it's bad conversation to your dad? Next day you're

686
00:30:45,559 --> 00:30:47,400
in Arkham. No, I thought there might be. I thought

687
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,799
it was like the start of it, but no, Carmine

688
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,240
really takes no like he doesn't even chance it. He

689
00:30:53,279 --> 00:30:55,440
doesn't even be like, oh, that conversation with Sofia.

690
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 2: On him right, And I mean she spoke to a reporter.

691
00:30:59,119 --> 00:31:01,400
I think that's enough. Like he's got to just lock

692
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:01,720
it up.

693
00:31:01,759 --> 00:31:03,839
Speaker 1: But he could frame anybody the fact that just one

694
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,559
conversation he framed his daughter like right away.

695
00:31:06,559 --> 00:31:09,599
Speaker 2: She went against the family. She talked, but just just.

696
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,119
Speaker 1: Like she didn't she but she talked to the report.

697
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,400
She didn't give the report anything. She like the reporter

698
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,440
gave her stuff. She didn't give them. She didn't give

699
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,200
them those files because the second once she kind of

700
00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:21,720
knew what the reporter wanted. My dad's a good man.

701
00:31:21,799 --> 00:31:23,640
He went through all this stuff. So she never actually

702
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,160
gave anything. She did talk to them, but uh yeah,

703
00:31:27,279 --> 00:31:29,400
he just he just sold her out. So what do

704
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,960
you guys think about Carmine and ebisde the what do

705
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,920
you guys think about? You know? Go to Mark Strong

706
00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:38,559
playing the younger Carmon Falcon and Plit Sinestro in Green Lantern.

707
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,839
He was a doctor whatever Savon and Shazam.

708
00:31:42,519 --> 00:31:44,759
Speaker 2: He was in. He was in John Carter of Mars

709
00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:45,759
he was in there too.

710
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:50,759
Speaker 1: Of course. Yeah, who could forget John Carter. I'm shouting

711
00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:54,039
out other comic properties like John Carter of Mars.

712
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 2: He was also in Brothers Grimsby. You remember that one.

713
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, shout out to Ledger.

714
00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:03,799
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, I think I think he did.

715
00:32:11,799 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 3: He I think he did a great job playing the

716
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,839
young Carmine Falcone. It just has that eeriness. But yeah,

717
00:32:17,839 --> 00:32:20,279
I think the character though himself just turning on a

718
00:32:20,359 --> 00:32:23,680
dime and just saying this, Sofia, like you're sick, like

719
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,920
everything you had already said just yeah, just crazy, especially

720
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,599
because he did not believe in anyone else to run

721
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,839
the family when he was gone, and he was really

722
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,759
really ready to die on that hill, especially when she

723
00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:37,519
said like there are rules and he was just kind

724
00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:39,319
of like saying, like, shit on the rules kind of

725
00:32:39,319 --> 00:32:41,759
a thing. And then soon after that though, it was

726
00:32:41,799 --> 00:32:46,279
just like, yeah, you're done, You're gone. I didn't think

727
00:32:46,279 --> 00:32:49,599
that they would be that afraid of the press and

728
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,119
of all this stuff. I thought that they because they

729
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,119
run a big crime family. And I'm sure most of

730
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,839
Gotham all knows that they run a crime family, and

731
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,759
so it's like, are they afraid of their public eye

732
00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:01,839
and their public image because they control all of that

733
00:33:01,839 --> 00:33:02,480
that narrative.

734
00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: I don't know how much they know yet, right, because

735
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,400
you got to think about this. I can't remember their ages,

736
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,480
but remember there's times where the Falcones and the Wains

737
00:33:10,559 --> 00:33:12,680
like work together a little bit, and this is them

738
00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:16,440
running like suicide prevention and mental health stuff like. So

739
00:33:16,519 --> 00:33:18,440
I feel like this is maybe early on where there's

740
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,680
like whispers like, oh, you know what, the falcona family,

741
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,279
But I think it's still their image. I think when

742
00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:25,839
we get to The Batman, everyone fucking knows, like, Okay,

743
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,720
Carmine's fucking dirty criminal, like look good Penguin, Like, I

744
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,039
think they know no, and I think Gotham's even worse.

745
00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:32,440
But I think this is probably at a point where

746
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,759
maybe it's a bit not everyone knows. It's like a

747
00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:37,960
it's a bad capt secret, right, because like they don't

748
00:33:38,039 --> 00:33:39,839
need to like why does a criminal family need to

749
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,680
do like mental health supporting. They don't need to do that,

750
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,839
especially when it's like about suicide. And that's how Carmine

751
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,000
like framed his wife, right. But even Sophia just thinks

752
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,680
her dad's completely good, right, she doesn't even have the

753
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,359
concept of how bad he is. So I think that

754
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,759
maybe it's just looked as they're a powerful family. They're

755
00:33:57,759 --> 00:33:59,880
not the shits yet, which you know later on the

756
00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:00,519
come the shit.

757
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,359
Speaker 2: So yeah, that makes sense.

758
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 3: Like I it still blows my mind that he was

759
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,159
just like, yeah, Arkham's the place to be for you,

760
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,320
because when you look at like the comparison, obviously Blackgate's

761
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,320
more like an actual just a prism or a jail,

762
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,840
not a mental place. Like uh, Maroni's living like a

763
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,280
fucking champ over at black Gate. He's still got his

764
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,719
goons that are just with him and he's calling shots,

765
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:22,440
still in there.

766
00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 2: But again it makes.

767
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 1: That's why I didn't want there there, But that's exactly right.

768
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want Sophia in there.

769
00:34:27,519 --> 00:34:30,519
Speaker 1: And I feel like Arkham has like a weird check in,

770
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:32,400
but you don't check out Paulicy like I feel a

771
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,280
Blackgate yet. Okay, you're not crazy. You gotta sends the

772
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,599
ten years you're in there Arkham. It's like, yeah, as

773
00:34:38,599 --> 00:34:41,039
we saw right, you're in there for six months. It's like, uh,

774
00:34:41,079 --> 00:34:43,119
the do like one doctor says you're not going to

775
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:45,880
fit stand or not fit to stand trial, so you're

776
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,599
in here for ten years. The jump from six months

777
00:34:48,599 --> 00:34:51,039
to ten and even then I can't. I don't think

778
00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:53,960
we've got explained. Remember they said the newscasters in the

779
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,239
show said like, oh, people are getting released from Arkham.

780
00:34:56,519 --> 00:34:58,840
I don't know why they was overcrowding. They probably looked

781
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,360
at the crazes over crowd Yeah. So but that's why

782
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,679
it's like, if that didn't happen, she's not getting out

783
00:35:03,679 --> 00:35:05,719
of there. She just got either there like by chance

784
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,159
that shit like the Riddler maybe fuck sit up, and

785
00:35:08,199 --> 00:35:09,039
like more people are in.

786
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,039
Speaker 3: There, because most people were surprised when she got out.

787
00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:14,320
That's true in those first couple episodes. So it's definitely

788
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,400
I don't think she well, yeah, I don't think she

789
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,559
was in there for the ten year period because between

790
00:35:18,559 --> 00:35:20,639
that flashbacks you were right now, I don't.

791
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,119
Speaker 2: Think that was what she said.

792
00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:23,519
Speaker 1: That's ten years in my life.

793
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, that really was ten years.

794
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, so when she killed Magpie, that then ten years later.

795
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:31,079
So yeah, she said, you took ten years of my life.

796
00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 3: So we didn't have Batman back then. He was just

797
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,320
a like alive at that point.

798
00:35:36,559 --> 00:35:38,639
Speaker 1: That's what I was trying to figure out, because obviously

799
00:35:38,639 --> 00:35:41,840
they have her playing like a younger version. They changed

800
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,679
your hair a little bit, but like she she looks

801
00:35:43,679 --> 00:35:45,760
pretty much SI, and I'm fine, you don't need to recast.

802
00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:49,960
So I don't know, like because even patt Yeah, I

803
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,519
think Pattison's supposed to be in his thirties now, so

804
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,840
I think he would have been like Bruce would have

805
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,000
been like twenty. So he's probably still just training right now.

806
00:35:59,039 --> 00:35:59,599
Speaker 2: He's training.

807
00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 3: He's probably way off with herzellhol because yeah, there is

808
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:02,599
definitely no.

809
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,519
Speaker 1: Comic act, right, that's just because he in the movie.

810
00:36:05,559 --> 00:36:07,519
Speaker 3: He's two years in so that would put out Okay,

811
00:36:07,519 --> 00:36:11,079
So this is this is eight years before the Batman

812
00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:12,960
makes his debut in Gotham.

813
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,639
Speaker 2: Then during those flashbacks.

814
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 1: Yes, it is so yeah, the eight year mark, there's

815
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,840
a fucking bat somewhere and all the Arkham assign people

816
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,079
are going crazy.

817
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,559
Speaker 3: That's right, but you oh, go ahead, Oh I say.

818
00:36:24,679 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 1: I was saying I was hoping Berry was gonna be

819
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,000
in there, but then when I found they took her

820
00:36:29,039 --> 00:36:30,599
to the woman's wing, I was like, oh damn. But

821
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,920
I thought just a shot or even just the laugh

822
00:36:33,039 --> 00:36:35,199
of him, but no, we didn't get I thought.

823
00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:37,039
Speaker 5: It was gonna be Harley instead of Megpie, and the

824
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,159
thought that, and I was a little worried.

825
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 4: I'm like, let's just not go there. Let's just not

826
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:41,599
go there.

827
00:36:41,639 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 5: And then right away she says Magpie, and I'm like,

828
00:36:43,559 --> 00:36:44,960
is that like a Harley alias?

829
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 4: I hope not.

830
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,039
Speaker 1: She is unfortunately not make it to the Batman too,

831
00:36:49,039 --> 00:36:51,920
but she is a trained hand in hand like assassin

832
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,079
in the DC. Yeah, Megpie, Yeah, Margaret Pie.

833
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: What a thought that she got fucked up?

834
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a hand to hand show. But like

835
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,000
I kind of like, because maybe I'm wrong, Maybe James

836
00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:05,960
Gonne is like, fuck, I was gonna use Magpie, but like,

837
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,280
trust me, I don't think anyone was gonna use Magpie.

838
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:09,960
It's like I think that's fun, Like, oh yeah, I'll

839
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,199
throw her in there, you know, like have a combo

840
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,039
character that's like, you know, killed her mom. I think

841
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:16,440
there's some similar origin stuff. But and I guess I'm

842
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,760
actually wrong when I said about Barry. Barry, I guess

843
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,960
wouldn't have been because I think they insinuate in the

844
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,320
Batman that he put the Joker away, so I guess

845
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,119
he would wouldn't been Arkham yet, So think about that.

846
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,599
There's a chance. Sophia felt Colman has been an Arkham

847
00:37:28,639 --> 00:37:31,159
longer than joker at this point, and look how fucked

848
00:37:31,199 --> 00:37:33,119
up he is. So it's not a good place.

849
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 4: That's Gotham's crime system.

850
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,639
Speaker 3: You mentioned a good thing with just how things kind

851
00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:41,119
of like get out of control when you're there, because

852
00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:44,000
when she's there and she's being told like her rights

853
00:37:44,039 --> 00:37:46,039
everything like that, like oh yeah, you're not getting visitation

854
00:37:46,159 --> 00:37:47,760
anything like that, Like what the fuck can you do?

855
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 2: You're just you're stuck.

856
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 3: Stuff already in their hands, their grasp and no one's

857
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,079
gonna help you. But I I you when you see

858
00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:56,760
Alberto in the first episode, you really think he's a

859
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:01,039
piece of shit, but it's it's insistent you see in

860
00:38:01,079 --> 00:38:02,679
the flashbacks that he's always been a piece of shit

861
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,679
to Oz and he's just partying and even the family

862
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,639
looks down upon him, but he really really shines. The

863
00:38:07,639 --> 00:38:09,559
actor does a good job with this, just he's the

864
00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:11,400
only one that stood there for her, and it just

865
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,480
goes in hand with like how he was there all

866
00:38:13,519 --> 00:38:16,440
the time visiting her. I guess she got those visitation

867
00:38:16,559 --> 00:38:20,039
rights later on after her ten year sentence. So yeah,

868
00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:23,039
I just think that it's you know, you really feel

869
00:38:23,079 --> 00:38:24,920
for them because they really got dealt the shitty end

870
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,320
of the Stick. And I wonder too, because obviously the

871
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,719
whole family has signed the document saying she was unfit

872
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,840
and kind of mentally stable, but he didn't, and I

873
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,199
guess it makes sense.

874
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, I feel like they did such a good job.

875
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,119
It's kind of funny of like making the Falcone family

876
00:38:39,159 --> 00:38:41,519
seem so much more shitty. So now when we again,

877
00:38:41,519 --> 00:38:43,559
I can't wait to watch that party episode when they

878
00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:45,000
were talking about like, oh, we should go to Paris

879
00:38:45,079 --> 00:38:48,440
all this, like when she was there at the family funeral,

880
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,000
just saying like everybody must have been like fuck, like

881
00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:54,840
Sophia's here when he signed, he signed her away. But

882
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,920
I think it's actually i'll say that point till later.

883
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,159
But also I think it's just it's maybe a little Again,

884
00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:01,760
I can't wait to watch The Batman. I feel like

885
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,800
they made Carmine like even shittier than he was in

886
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,599
The Batman of like, oh, yeah, Selena is illegitimate, daughter

887
00:39:07,679 --> 00:39:10,119
kills his mom, bad criminal, But now it's like, send

888
00:39:10,119 --> 00:39:13,199
his daughter away killed his wife, like and who knows

889
00:39:13,199 --> 00:39:15,960
what she did. It's just like it's just like with

890
00:39:16,119 --> 00:39:19,800
each form of media in the Batman universe, Carmine gets

891
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,360
like shittier and shittier when at first it's like, oh yeah,

892
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,320
he's kind of friendly with Thomas Wayne, so maybe it's

893
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,880
like he's a criminal, but he's just you know, has

894
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,519
to do that, right, that's his family, Like, no, he's

895
00:39:29,559 --> 00:39:32,320
doing stuff he doesn't need to do. But I thought

896
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,639
Mark Strong did a good job as well for you know,

897
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,320
trying to be a younger version.

898
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 3: So that's the relationship dynamic I'd love to see. And

899
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:40,960
I hope Sophia makes it out of the show because

900
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,400
I want to see Selena, Kyle and Sophia like, Hey,

901
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:44,800
we're sisters.

902
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,519
Speaker 1: You know. I love that. I don't think it's happening.

903
00:39:46,559 --> 00:39:48,920
I think I think I don't think her in as

904
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,760
can coexist, Like I think one has to go down,

905
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,159
and unfortunately for Christina, they're they're keeping calling Farrell. I

906
00:39:55,159 --> 00:39:57,639
think I think it's her and Vick are going down together,

907
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,119
but maybe I'm wrong. I love it if she you

908
00:40:00,159 --> 00:40:02,199
had like something going on on the side. I don't

909
00:40:02,199 --> 00:40:04,159
know if she was like another person. But that's what

910
00:40:04,199 --> 00:40:05,960
I's gonna say before I throw a kurkle, and I'll

911
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,559
say it now. I feel like they're doing the Captain

912
00:40:08,639 --> 00:40:12,119
America they're doing the endgame Thalki where Soldier kept America.

913
00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:15,719
Fourth thing where Sam gets the shield, and you don't

914
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,000
need to watch the show. The show gives you some backstory,

915
00:40:18,039 --> 00:40:19,920
but when cat for't gonna happen, to just go, oh, well,

916
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,599
we got the shield end games, so he's captain America

917
00:40:21,679 --> 00:40:23,840
now right. I feel like it's the same way where

918
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,880
when you watch The Batman and The Batman Too, you'll

919
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,920
be like, oh, well, Carmine died, so that went the

920
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,519
Falcone family. But really it was Sophia and Penguin fucking

921
00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:34,000
around that got the Falcon. It wasn't Batman that took

922
00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:36,320
him all down. He took out car even Carmine, he

923
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,760
didn't the Riddler fucking sniper, and I guess he did

924
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,719
arrest them, but who knows how that would have went right.

925
00:40:41,039 --> 00:40:43,079
But that's where it's funny where you can watch those

926
00:40:43,079 --> 00:40:45,360
two and if you watch the movies, you just can think, oh, well,

927
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,639
Batman took out the family, it was all him. But

928
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,079
really in the show, and again you don't need to

929
00:40:50,119 --> 00:40:51,800
know happen, right because I think it's just gonna be

930
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,679
Penguin's gonna be running that operation. So that's why again,

931
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,559
I think Christine's done so good. I almost wonder after

932
00:40:57,559 --> 00:40:59,000
the fact if they would have been like, oh, like

933
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,440
maybe maybe let's not let's let's keep her around. But

934
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,599
I think they probably designed the show for her to

935
00:41:04,599 --> 00:41:06,079
to her to eat it unfortunately.

936
00:41:06,159 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, I would agree with that.

937
00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: Well anything with new young Carmine there.

938
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was surprising.

939
00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:17,159
Speaker 5: Uh when when the when he first appears on screen,

940
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:21,079
I was like, oh ship, we got uh, oh my god,

941
00:41:21,199 --> 00:41:26,320
John Carter, John Carter, John Carter, John John Turtuou there

942
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,320
we go. I was like, we got him back. I'm like, hell, yeah,

943
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,920
this is exciting. I love that actor, especially in that role.

944
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,280
And then like it just kind of zooms in close

945
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:35,639
from like that is not the same guy.

946
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 4: There's no way the same guy.

947
00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:39,760
Speaker 1: And they tried, I guess, but it was scheduling issues.

948
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,719
So they got Mark Sean and said, who like has

949
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,719
like a good enough like profile that looks like he

950
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,519
like got you there, right, so.

951
00:41:46,559 --> 00:41:47,199
Speaker 4: Oh for sure.

952
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,199
Speaker 5: Like they talk very differently though, So that was like

953
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,039
the biggest thing for me to kind of get around.

954
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:53,159
Speaker 4: I could accept it.

955
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: Get drugs and stuff. They'll change your voice, right, you know.

956
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:01,079
Speaker 5: That's a good point a lot of drops as yeah, change.

957
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,119
Speaker 1: His voice everything, but changes his voice.

958
00:42:03,119 --> 00:42:06,199
Speaker 5: But I thought he was fantastic, Like even even though

959
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,800
I thought it felt different than that version, like it

960
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,000
still was a very imposing character. And I liked the

961
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,639
moment that he had, like the nice moment between him

962
00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:19,039
and Sophia, And you can really see like from Sophia's perspective,

963
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:21,519
like just her admiration and love for her father there

964
00:42:21,559 --> 00:42:24,880
and then and then like that quickly turns when she

965
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,559
brings up her mom and he's just like, you know,

966
00:42:26,599 --> 00:42:28,400
this upsets me every time you bring this up. It's like,

967
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,440
oh yeah, yeah, this is like that's her fucking mom

968
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,719
that she's been like carry this drama with that, you

969
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,239
cause with your own hands. So right away it was

970
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,880
just like a total villain switch. Like I knew he

971
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,960
was a villain obviously, but like in that moment, it's like, oh, okay, no,

972
00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:45,320
he's a villain, even though.

973
00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:47,119
Speaker 1: There's still layers to it, right, Like I didn't think

974
00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:48,800
in the when we watched The Batman, this guy shipped

975
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,039
his daughter off Arkham. That to me an even lower

976
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:53,679
level of a villain. It's like there's villain, there's a

977
00:42:53,679 --> 00:42:57,079
criminal villain, and there's like he's up there with fucking

978
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,159
like he's not destroying the city, but like like he

979
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,440
literally was twenty four hours gonna get for the whole business.

980
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,559
He was gonna hand it off to her, and then

981
00:43:04,599 --> 00:43:07,920
to be like just even a mere conversation about it,

982
00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:12,559
like now you're gonna arkham Sorry, it's like fuck yeah.

983
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 5: It's like like with his own hands strangling the life

984
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,360
out of all these women. It's just like, oh my god,

985
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:22,679
that it's like serial killer fucked up. So yeah, it

986
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,199
was really interesting to just see that dynamic. We already

987
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,719
kind of just talked about the shocking ramp up. I

988
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,920
think to send Sophia away, I feel like for me

989
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,079
that was like a little jarring, But again it's just like, wow,

990
00:43:34,119 --> 00:43:36,880
this character is that fucked up. Like I think from

991
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,119
the scene that we had between Sophia Alberto and him,

992
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,239
I'm like, there's no way that he would that he

993
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,440
would do that, And then when it actually happened, it

994
00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:46,239
seemed like a bit of a jump, but it's also

995
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,119
like wow, that really just goes to show how much

996
00:43:48,119 --> 00:43:50,760
of a piece of shit he is. So I did

997
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,800
like that for the overall just health of the story

998
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:58,440
and yeah, I really really really liked the moment too.

999
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,000
How like see all the app what are they called

1000
00:44:02,039 --> 00:44:05,000
Affi David's, Avid David's Affi David's.

1001
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 4: Is it like an f do you know John Carter

1002
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:12,880
on affidavids.

1003
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,159
Speaker 5: There you go, just like that realization when she's just like, no,

1004
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,559
just talk to my family like everybody, like we'll just

1005
00:44:18,639 --> 00:44:20,039
be able to talk this out. And then you see

1006
00:44:20,119 --> 00:44:24,159
like all these like professionally written like claims that you're out.

1007
00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 1: Ready to go mind, yeah exactly, and it's just.

1008
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,559
Speaker 5: Like betrayed by everyone that you thought you loved. And

1009
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,519
for her perspective, it just like it just shatters the whole,

1010
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,159
I guess false narrative of what she thought her family

1011
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,320
was because she grows up in that environment. I I

1012
00:44:40,639 --> 00:44:43,000
love the secrets between her and Alberto in the flashback

1013
00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:45,119
when he's like going to the Iceberg Lounge and she's

1014
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:47,679
starting to ask him some questions about her father and

1015
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,119
it's just like, man, like why are you asking these questions?

1016
00:44:50,159 --> 00:44:52,480
Like we have a good life, like just just go

1017
00:44:52,599 --> 00:44:54,480
with it, and she's like, Okay, yeah, you're right, Like

1018
00:44:54,639 --> 00:44:56,599
I I know deep down my dad's a good guy,

1019
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,480
which is obviously a lie, but it just goes to

1020
00:44:58,519 --> 00:45:01,039
show like how much when you grow up in that environment,

1021
00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:03,400
like your whole perspective is just twisted and tweaked and

1022
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,280
you don't really understand how the world works.

1023
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 2: So I like it.

1024
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 5: We kind of got to see that whole realization from Sophie,

1025
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,760
even though if you know how she got it was

1026
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,079
six months plus ten years of just pure like literal

1027
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:20,079
torture in this mental assignment of just constantly getting gaslighted,

1028
00:45:20,159 --> 00:45:22,760
and like, I suppose she's not more fucked up after.

1029
00:45:22,599 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 4: The ten years. Honestly, if that was her daily routine

1030
00:45:25,159 --> 00:45:26,960
for just I think we're.

1031
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: Gonna get there. I think she's gonna I think she's

1032
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,079
gonna snap again and something's gonna happen, like if oz

1033
00:45:32,159 --> 00:45:34,000
Pole's won on her, And I think you're gonna see

1034
00:45:34,039 --> 00:45:36,559
Sophia fucker. Like she killed her old family, but it

1035
00:45:36,639 --> 00:45:39,320
was a very like, you know, kind of not nice way,

1036
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:40,559
but like they all would have died in their sleep,

1037
00:45:40,639 --> 00:45:42,840
right It wasn't. She didn't take a fucking chainsaw like

1038
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,960
went after them. But still it's like she still killed

1039
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,079
her her family, But I feel like it's there after

1040
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,159
what she did. Magpie right, she just smashed her face

1041
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,880
in on the cement of the steel table. So that's

1042
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,199
what it's like, like or like fucking we've said it

1043
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,320
before her finger, like maybe she fucking goes to town

1044
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,159
on Vic. She met Vic, right, she knows, like that

1045
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,239
could be the thing of now we really get to

1046
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,199
see Vic was his driver. And there's two ways they

1047
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,519
could do it. They could make it like Vic turns

1048
00:46:08,559 --> 00:46:10,920
on Penguins. That's the circle moment of the same way

1049
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,159
Penguin kind of turned on Sophia.

1050
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 5: Right.

1051
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,039
Speaker 1: It could be something like that, like the drive or

1052
00:46:14,159 --> 00:46:17,480
someone trusts like even Sofia, which was funny because the

1053
00:46:17,519 --> 00:46:19,360
whole episode they painted her to be good, but the

1054
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,519
one time Penguin tries to give her some advice, she's like,

1055
00:46:21,519 --> 00:46:23,760
shut up, you're my fucking driver, And I was like, whoa.

1056
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,719
So that's again it's almost like your dad, where she shows, Okay,

1057
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,880
she is maybe a better person, but some of that's

1058
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,920
still in there because she didn't have to go to town.

1059
00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:31,920
Os literally said I'm just trying to help you out.

1060
00:46:32,159 --> 00:46:33,880
And I almost wonder if she didn't shit on him,

1061
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,480
if he wouldn't have went to her dad, because I

1062
00:46:35,519 --> 00:46:38,239
felt like she did that or no, that was after

1063
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:39,519
the fact, right, he said, I was just trying to

1064
00:46:39,519 --> 00:46:41,119
help you out. So he was going he was brown

1065
00:46:41,199 --> 00:46:44,639
nosing no matter what. But still like she just snapped

1066
00:46:44,639 --> 00:46:47,000
at him, and that felt like the Sophia of now

1067
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,320
and what I was gonna say, Kirky, when you're talking

1068
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,760
about Alberto saying like, oh, we got a good life.

1069
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,199
That's why I still think the family was not no

1070
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,159
known to be criminals, because's where it's like, hey, just

1071
00:46:56,159 --> 00:46:58,000
don't even speak into existence, where if you look at

1072
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,800
Alberto ten years later, he's like, I can't wait to

1073
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,880
do that. Like That's why I think he's also different

1074
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:04,639
now too, because he's had ten years old his sister.

1075
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,599
He probably just more doing drugs, all this stuff. And

1076
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,320
that's where now I think he's it's much more okay,

1077
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,239
everyone knows what we do now where criminals whatever we're

1078
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,079
then it's like, yeah, let's try to keep we're trying

1079
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:17,960
to be I can't remember what they called him the business.

1080
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,239
Maybe it's straight, I don't know, but it's something like

1081
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:22,880
that where it's like, yeah, you're trying to make it

1082
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,840
seem like you're something, and like, look, Gust, I'm breaking bad. Right,

1083
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,320
all his money comes from lost Polos, but it's like, no,

1084
00:47:28,679 --> 00:47:31,199
like where it's coming from is not lost Polos.

1085
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,639
Speaker 5: It's cream cut though, like it appears that he's all

1086
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:34,960
professional business man.

1087
00:47:35,159 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, so and that's where again i'm, you know, semi mad.

1088
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,559
Carmine is already dead because that's the other thing we

1089
00:47:40,679 --> 00:47:43,679
learned too that so, yeah, she's not the hangman. The

1090
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:47,320
hangman's literally Carmine. And how did Selena's dad or what

1091
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:49,840
mom died too? By strangling? So this dude just sucking

1092
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,280
loves strangling people. That was his fucking gimmick. Man, He

1093
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,079
just loved to like whether it was a noose, whether

1094
00:47:55,119 --> 00:47:57,840
it's his hands, that was his gimmick, was just a

1095
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:59,920
strangle life out of people. So that ties it again

1096
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:02,639
that like I wish they would be because now it's

1097
00:48:02,679 --> 00:48:05,440
like their moms were killed the same way her and

1098
00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:09,039
Selena's right strangled by the dad. Both got scratched and everything,

1099
00:48:09,079 --> 00:48:11,159
and that I love that scene where they're playing hide

1100
00:48:11,159 --> 00:48:13,679
and seek. The little girl finds his mom and he's like, oh,

1101
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,480
you can't see that. He brings her up to like

1102
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:17,679
hide her, but then when he just as glasses you

1103
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,880
can see, like his hands bloody and everything, and that's okay,

1104
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,079
why the fuck is your hand? And then she's starting

1105
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:24,320
to remember that, so it's like, oh man, it's again,

1106
00:48:24,519 --> 00:48:27,599
just good. So many layers to all these scenes and

1107
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,320
uh yeah, it's good stuff. But let's take an ad

1108
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:35,760
break before we continue. We'll be right back and we're back.

1109
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,280
So yeah, let's talk about actual Arkham where we get

1110
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:42,039
in there. I loved this now. I think on a

1111
00:48:42,199 --> 00:48:44,440
theatrical budget, I would want Arkham to look like a

1112
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,480
little more like Ratty, like when they're having lunch and everything,

1113
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,639
it just looks like a prison. I hope if we

1114
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,119
go back, like to me, what Riddler and Joker were

1115
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,679
were is very like gross and maybe I guess this

1116
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,400
could be like it's ten years ago, right, so maybe

1117
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,840
it did look better. I hope if we see Arkham

1118
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,760
again it just looks more. I want to look like

1119
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:02,440
a haunted Manchip pretty much, right. I want to be

1120
00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:04,639
like a place where they don't get lots of funding,

1121
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,599
they don't got cleaners, you're just throwing crazy people. But

1122
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,159
I love that the whole shower down everything, they're fucking

1123
00:49:11,199 --> 00:49:13,880
spreading her legs, checking for stuff. Just brutal, but I

1124
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,519
love when they put her to bed and all the

1125
00:49:16,639 --> 00:49:20,000
lights go out and it's just like screaming and laughter.

1126
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,480
That's what I want Arkham Asylum to be of, just

1127
00:49:22,599 --> 00:49:25,719
like it's a fucking madhouse. You got in Magpie, like

1128
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,880
hi hello, and her like eyes peeping through the whole,

1129
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,559
like it felt like and Batman had that too, but

1130
00:49:30,679 --> 00:49:32,920
this again felt like a horror movie. It had those

1131
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:34,519
scenes where it was like, this is messed up. So

1132
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,360
I don't know if it'll happen, and then the trilogies,

1133
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,679
but I hope we especially maybe if we go back

1134
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,239
there at Barry and I want that feel like this

1135
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:46,000
place is it is you know, it's for the mentally ill,

1136
00:49:46,039 --> 00:49:48,119
but it's more just an insane asylum. And those like

1137
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,679
whether it's you know, your cryptoclues tailor or we watch

1138
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,559
on Solved Mysteries, like those things where it's like, oh yeah,

1139
00:49:52,599 --> 00:49:54,920
this place is haunted because like all this weird shit

1140
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,760
went on. It's like that's what Arkham should be. So

1141
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,480
I loved the vibe it. I love that the doctors

1142
00:49:59,519 --> 00:50:02,320
are all fun weirdos or giving her a fork to

1143
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,559
attack that lady like that to me is what Arkham

1144
00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:08,840
as Arkham should be it is not your local hospital,

1145
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,400
like mess up stuff that's happening there. Again, I was

1146
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,119
hoping the older guy was gonna be Hugo. Strange she wasn't.

1147
00:50:14,159 --> 00:50:17,760
I just especially with this this this facility being the

1148
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:18,159
way it is.

1149
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 5: But uh yeah, it wasn't right because it sets it

1150
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,079
up later on down the road because he wouldn't because

1151
00:50:23,519 --> 00:50:27,719
even when she's talking to the air quote good therapist

1152
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,679
at the Jilian Rush there, yeah, she's like, well, it

1153
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,159
was this doctor, and then after him it was that doctor,

1154
00:50:33,199 --> 00:50:34,800
then after him it was that doctor, like the new

1155
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,159
leaders of Arkham. So especially if it was a ten

1156
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,800
year gap, like I am at least happy that we're

1157
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,639
saving Hugo for a potential patent.

1158
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope, yeah, because I don't think Julian's

1159
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,400
making it out either. He's just fucking hard anytime Sofia's around,

1160
00:50:46,559 --> 00:50:49,159
My god, he's he's just he can't think, he has

1161
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,239
no faculties. I was really worried when she woke up

1162
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,079
from her dream sequence that was happening in Arkha'm like,

1163
00:50:55,119 --> 00:50:57,079
oh fuck, why is he? Like why is she waking

1164
00:50:57,159 --> 00:50:58,920
up to this guy over? But then I understood the

1165
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,039
he saved her, but like she's still using them right,

1166
00:51:02,159 --> 00:51:04,440
like she didn't. Like she kind of called him pathetic

1167
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,079
and said like, oh, you're trying to make good foot

1168
00:51:06,159 --> 00:51:08,719
you did, but she I thought from what she was

1169
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,079
gonna kill him in that house, I thought, all he's done,

1170
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,960
but no she didn't. So like she's still like keeping

1171
00:51:15,039 --> 00:51:17,559
him around for what I don't know yet, and that's

1172
00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:20,519
why I don't know. I'm but the Arkham stuff for me,

1173
00:51:20,559 --> 00:51:22,280
Like I said, then, I wanted to be a look

1174
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,159
a little more ratted ten out of ten aura wise

1175
00:51:25,199 --> 00:51:27,440
for me and the good stuff meg Bie, poor mag

1176
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,519
Bide trying to make a friend and maybe the wrong

1177
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:31,400
time to say, oh, we're gonna be best friends now,

1178
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,719
but uh that was fun enough. So No, but I

1179
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,760
liked the Arkham stuff. And I hope we, one way

1180
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,559
or another in this verse return there because we've not

1181
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,039
gone enough of it. And Batman Live Action.

1182
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 5: Really you know, yeah, these stories of like whether it's

1183
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,039
like twelve Monkeys or like one flew over the Cucko's Nest,

1184
00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:51,679
I feel like those it's like almost like like the

1185
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,400
scariest version of horror for me is like a non

1186
00:51:54,519 --> 00:51:57,519
psycle person being like trapped in a psycho asylum and

1187
00:51:57,639 --> 00:51:59,960
it's just no one's gonna believe you because everybody's saying

1188
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:01,280
same thing, and like, yes.

1189
00:52:01,199 --> 00:52:01,519
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1190
00:52:01,599 --> 00:52:05,119
Speaker 5: I I also just like the directing style of her

1191
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,199
going through all these things in arc of like it's

1192
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,639
just it was terrifying and like, like what do.

1193
00:52:10,679 --> 00:52:12,639
Speaker 4: You do in that in that situation? He was just living,

1194
00:52:13,039 --> 00:52:13,599
She's innocent.

1195
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent right, Like it's one hundred

1196
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,840
percent shift in less than twenty four hours for her,

1197
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:24,639
and yeah, it was definitely, uh, just raw, Like the

1198
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:26,519
moments when she first gets there, to strip her down

1199
00:52:26,639 --> 00:52:28,920
like a fucking animal and just hose her. Imagine that

1200
00:52:29,039 --> 00:52:31,360
water is like an ice bath too, just like the

1201
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,079
fire hose that they're doing.

1202
00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: And then it's like Charleston Hessen planing the apes. It's

1203
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,320
like that madouse. Yeah.

1204
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, like she's literally in the mouth house and then

1205
00:52:39,559 --> 00:52:43,519
she gets like just beaten on in the cafeteria with

1206
00:52:43,559 --> 00:52:44,119
that one cycle.

1207
00:52:44,199 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 1: Lady, that's just un she killed all those women and

1208
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,159
you're like, just fuck, shut up.

1209
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,760
Speaker 5: I feel like she's getting like physically abused, but like

1210
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,079
the mental toll that she's receiving every single day for

1211
00:52:55,599 --> 00:52:58,239
like like six months plus ten years is just that's

1212
00:52:58,280 --> 00:52:59,559
where like by the end of them, like how is

1213
00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:02,159
her mind even like able to formulate a sentence. I

1214
00:53:02,199 --> 00:53:04,760
feel she would be fractured like Magpie by that by

1215
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:05,199
the end of that.

1216
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: But I guess she had to play cool to try

1217
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,639
to hopefully get out right because if again, if they

1218
00:53:10,039 --> 00:53:12,920
when it was uncrowded, they were let out the people

1219
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,360
that were the most normal or sane, right, like you're

1220
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,599
not letting out Barry's joker because like honestly fucked up guy,

1221
00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:20,880
you're not gonna let out the Riddler. But it's like

1222
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,920
a Sophia fuck like she's skilliculed people. But then like yeah, whatever,

1223
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,400
like you know, she's hopefully maybe I don't know, I'll say,

1224
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,280
I don't think we'll get more flashbacks. But that must

1225
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,679
have been part of the mindset, is well, you gotta

1226
00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:34,480
be cool a little bit if you want to try

1227
00:53:34,519 --> 00:53:36,079
and get out of her maybe one day, you know.

1228
00:53:36,599 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 5: And I feel like that's another thing that was just

1229
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:43,079
so like gut wrenching when it happened, was like she's

1230
00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:46,400
trying to just keep mentally like there for six months

1231
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,360
because that's when she's having a trial and then she can,

1232
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,320
you know, just prove that she's innocent, and like I

1233
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,159
feel like, especially when she meets Alberto, like at the end,

1234
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,159
his own reaction to seeing her is just like disc

1235
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,519
like she's he's just shocked of like everything that she

1236
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:02,719
must have gone through for her to look this way,

1237
00:54:03,159 --> 00:54:05,199
and she's like holding on by a thread, like all right,

1238
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,400
this trial is going on. I think I can formulate

1239
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,480
a sentence to make it seem like I'm not insane,

1240
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:11,800
and then just getting like the reality of like ten

1241
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,119
more years and she's just like she cracks. She's giggling

1242
00:54:15,159 --> 00:54:17,679
almost like the joker is like it's and how can

1243
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,320
you not be Like it's just it's it's such a

1244
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:24,280
wild thing for someone to go through. And definitely felt

1245
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:28,360
for her like throughout this whole episode, and it makes

1246
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:29,960
sense by the end why she would want to murder

1247
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,960
the whole family, And I'm totally in supportive her, like

1248
00:54:33,039 --> 00:54:38,280
these these assholes just totally fucked her over. So yeah, no,

1249
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:42,119
I absolutely love this episode and just getting like a

1250
00:54:42,199 --> 00:54:44,760
glimpse into Arkham, It's like I want more of this,

1251
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,719
but it's also so disturbances, like I don't think I

1252
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,559
could handle like a full season of like an Arkham

1253
00:54:49,559 --> 00:54:52,480
show or something like. It's like outlast level of like

1254
00:54:52,679 --> 00:54:56,679
the the Murkoff, you know, Asylum indus, Like it's just

1255
00:54:57,079 --> 00:55:00,360
that level of fucked upness. I'm sure there's some crazy

1256
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,000
stuff going on in the basement of our Coham And

1257
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,239
uh yeah, they did a really good job at just

1258
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,199
kind of showcasing it and making it seem like it's

1259
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:08,800
not a nice place that you'd want to be. And

1260
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:13,559
I will say, I feel like, what was I gonna say,

1261
00:55:14,199 --> 00:55:16,280
Oh quickly before I forget, because I'm meant to bring

1262
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:20,079
this up earlier. I uh, just just getting back to

1263
00:55:20,199 --> 00:55:22,840
me really liking the placement of this episode. I like

1264
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,719
that we got all the like the meaning of the

1265
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,920
family earlier on in the season, and then by the

1266
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:29,880
time we get to this episode and we see all

1267
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,159
the affidavids and it's like, holy shit, Like all those

1268
00:55:32,199 --> 00:55:36,239
people that you know were like air quote friendly with Sophia,

1269
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:37,880
like in the early portion of the episodes, like they

1270
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,519
just completely line to her face and just like they're

1271
00:55:40,559 --> 00:55:43,199
all they're all two face, like like they're all just

1272
00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:46,039
grimy criminals at the end of the day, and no

1273
00:55:46,199 --> 00:55:49,119
loyalty like at all, Like even Johnny right, like he's

1274
00:55:49,159 --> 00:55:51,440
fucking that one guy's wife, like like everyone is probably

1275
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:52,599
fucking each other over in.

1276
00:55:52,639 --> 00:55:54,760
Speaker 4: That in that house. So I just liked how that

1277
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:56,039
was kind of revealed in this episode.

1278
00:55:56,079 --> 00:56:00,119
Speaker 5: But the one kind of hold back I guess I

1279
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:03,679
had is like for me, and it's not fully answered yet,

1280
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,440
so I'll try and I don't know, hold off some

1281
00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:09,639
of my minor criticisms with it. But I was kind

1282
00:56:09,679 --> 00:56:12,079
of hoping that the other doctor was also just like

1283
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,880
a total like evil character as well, like like her

1284
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,119
therapist that kind of like I don't know, we didn't

1285
00:56:18,119 --> 00:56:20,039
see how it exactly happened, but he says that he

1286
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,440
helped Alberto like get her out of our com Part

1287
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,719
of me is like I kind of just don't want

1288
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,119
this guy that's like, you know, like going up to

1289
00:56:28,119 --> 00:56:30,360
the doctors, like maybe she's maybe she's innocent, like maybe not,

1290
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:31,920
Like I feel I would have found it just so

1291
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,639
much more fucked up if like she has no help

1292
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,320
at all, and these people like these doctors are these

1293
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:41,000
evil doctors that are there to just gaslighter and like

1294
00:56:41,119 --> 00:56:42,000
just make her go crazy.

1295
00:56:42,039 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 4: Like I feel like I would have preferred that.

1296
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,079
Speaker 5: Because I don't know that at least of at least

1297
00:56:47,159 --> 00:56:49,320
right now, because I don't fully know what's going on

1298
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,719
with that therapist guy, and I feel like this angle

1299
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:54,320
of him like trying to be the good guy and

1300
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,280
help her out, like I'm just not really for it.

1301
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 4: But who knows. We more hopefully will be revealed in

1302
00:56:58,880 --> 00:56:59,760
a future episode.

1303
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, I say hopefully because like a lot of

1304
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,679
those members of her family are dead, he could have

1305
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,039
screen time with her right to flesh that out, like

1306
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,119
she may be around, So that's what I'm kind of

1307
00:57:10,159 --> 00:57:12,280
hoping because yeah, I just I guess a good guy.

1308
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:13,519
But like I said, it's all just feel like, Okay,

1309
00:57:13,559 --> 00:57:15,000
he kind of has a hot spur, but it's okay,

1310
00:57:15,039 --> 00:57:18,000
what else, Like why do I why do I care?

1311
00:57:18,159 --> 00:57:20,559
Right then, I guess there's one nice person in Gotham.

1312
00:57:20,639 --> 00:57:22,760
But even then she's like, well you did a lot

1313
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:24,559
of shady stuff too, so and.

1314
00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:26,079
Speaker 5: That's why I think I was worried, because I thought

1315
00:57:26,119 --> 00:57:28,119
I was like one hundred percent convince she was gonna

1316
00:57:28,159 --> 00:57:29,280
kill him right at the end of Yeah, It's like

1317
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:30,159
like why do we even do this?

1318
00:57:30,239 --> 00:57:31,039
Speaker 4: Why do we have this character?

1319
00:57:31,039 --> 00:57:32,639
Speaker 5: It's like, I'm not really a bad guy, like I

1320
00:57:32,719 --> 00:57:34,400
was looking out for you, even though I was still

1321
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,000
like torturing you, because I feel like when they first

1322
00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:39,440
meet and he's like interviewing her for the first time,

1323
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,920
it's like pretty obvious that at least how it seemed

1324
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:44,760
to me that he was just twisting her words and

1325
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,559
literally like, oh so you're paranoid, right, write that down

1326
00:57:47,639 --> 00:57:49,519
that she's like going insane, and it's just like, oh

1327
00:57:49,559 --> 00:57:52,519
my god, this is such a like a one way battle,

1328
00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:54,199
like there's no way that she can win out of

1329
00:57:54,239 --> 00:57:56,199
this because this evil doctor is just twisting her words

1330
00:57:56,199 --> 00:57:57,519
and that's the only one that matters. And then just

1331
00:57:57,559 --> 00:57:59,440
revealed that he's like actually not a bad guy. It's like, so,

1332
00:57:59,559 --> 00:58:01,239
then why the fuck was he doing that? Like he's

1333
00:58:01,239 --> 00:58:03,639
like mind gaming here instead of just having normal conversations.

1334
00:58:03,679 --> 00:58:08,119
Speaker 1: So what you do at Arkham? That's their orientation?

1335
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it is so fair enough.

1336
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 5: I just didn't love what they were wanting to do

1337
00:58:14,039 --> 00:58:16,239
with that character. But like I said, I'll hopefully hold

1338
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,440
off because I'm expecting us to get more scenes with him.

1339
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: You didn't die in this episode, so yeah, because like

1340
00:58:21,519 --> 00:58:24,320
he asked me around for some reason, there's no like then,

1341
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,199
like I said, then just kill him. He's gonna kill Vic,

1342
00:58:27,199 --> 00:58:31,719
He's gonna he's gonna kill Penguin. He is either gonna

1343
00:58:31,719 --> 00:58:34,159
do like the Batman the Robin thing from Knowl and

1344
00:58:34,199 --> 00:58:37,039
You're like, you should use a real name. Hugo sounds nice,

1345
00:58:37,039 --> 00:58:38,400
and he's like, thanks, go.

1346
00:58:38,519 --> 00:58:39,639
Speaker 2: Back on it.

1347
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,559
Speaker 3: Uh. It just it bothers me because I'm sure Bruce

1348
00:58:42,679 --> 00:58:44,599
is bothered to when you know, you do such a

1349
00:58:44,639 --> 00:58:46,599
good job. And then the city the government's like, all right,

1350
00:58:46,639 --> 00:58:49,360
let's start mass releasing all these fucking criminals out of

1351
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:50,719
out of Arkham.

1352
00:58:51,119 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 2: Not black eatee, fucking Arkham. So that's kind of shitty.

1353
00:58:55,079 --> 00:58:56,599
But yeah, I think that.

1354
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 3: Everything that going on with with her just being locked

1355
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:04,679
up in there and just the setting and all that,

1356
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:08,320
it's just it's not even the same with the Joker

1357
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,599
and like not spoiling but Felia, do you get Arkham.

1358
00:59:11,639 --> 00:59:16,039
But it's very very different, right, It's it feels kind

1359
00:59:16,079 --> 00:59:20,159
of like just a sen sanitarium. And I don't, like,

1360
00:59:20,239 --> 00:59:24,159
I say, just a regular a regular old sanitarium. This one,

1361
00:59:24,519 --> 00:59:27,000
as you said, Kirklin, it feels like that Murkough, like

1362
00:59:27,239 --> 00:59:30,559
fucking brutal. You don't want to be in here. It's

1363
00:59:30,719 --> 00:59:33,760
terrible and the moment she started freaking. Sophia started freaking

1364
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:35,559
out about it. Then I was freaking out and thinking, fuck,

1365
00:59:35,559 --> 00:59:36,800
I don't want to go here. I don't want to go.

1366
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:38,159
Don't don't make me go.

1367
00:59:39,519 --> 00:59:48,679
Speaker 2: But I I hope that we do get a little

1368
00:59:48,719 --> 00:59:49,760
bit more of this representation.

1369
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,519
Speaker 3: I'd love it to see. This would be so cool

1370
00:59:52,599 --> 00:59:56,000
if somehow Batman, you know, he's walking into like a

1371
00:59:57,159 --> 00:59:59,280
police joint, but I'd love to see him somehow get

1372
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,360
lured in to hear if you have some sitting where

1373
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,239
he has to get in here and then the cells open,

1374
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,400
like you know, like Watchman style where you get them

1375
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,639
trapped in the prison. I would love to see something

1376
01:00:09,719 --> 01:00:12,639
like that here where they are like Bruce caught.

1377
01:00:12,719 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: There's a there's a massive hit video game to you

1378
01:00:15,519 --> 01:00:18,840
you could play called Batman and they cover that whole

1379
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:21,119
four line. But no, that that for me is a

1380
01:00:21,199 --> 01:00:23,320
dream for someoney like I would love it, even if

1381
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,199
it's not passing, if it's not James Gundc. If they're like, hey,

1382
01:00:26,239 --> 01:00:28,119
we're gonna do an else world, it's just gonna be

1383
01:00:28,159 --> 01:00:30,440
about one night eight. We're gonna cast the guy as Batman.

1384
01:00:30,719 --> 01:00:33,639
He gets locked in Arkham go like you don't gotta

1385
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:35,679
you don't gotta adapt the video game one for one,

1386
01:00:36,119 --> 01:00:38,360
but pretty much that video game like that, or there's

1387
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:40,719
an Arkham sign book like yeah, I think there's tons

1388
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,400
of especially released that around spooky season. Make it like

1389
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,159
a haunted like the House type of movie. Like I

1390
01:00:46,239 --> 01:00:49,239
think there's buckets of money they're missing that they've not

1391
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,079
done a Batman Arkham assigm move yet very easy. Put

1392
01:00:52,119 --> 01:00:54,000
them in there, get a bu cast, a bunch of

1393
01:00:54,039 --> 01:00:56,840
fucking up and comers as villains go, you know.

1394
01:00:57,039 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

1395
01:00:57,639 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: It's by Pitch James, if you're listening, if you're somewhere,

1396
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:02,320
that's the key for studios, Pitch it's just give us,

1397
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:04,639
he us forty million, We're good to go. You know.

1398
01:01:06,719 --> 01:01:08,800
Let's see, so that happened. Yeah, she got out of there.

1399
01:01:09,239 --> 01:01:12,519
We talked about her killing the family, great speech, you know,

1400
01:01:13,159 --> 01:01:16,239
cut off the uncle, you know, rude, but she didn't

1401
01:01:16,239 --> 01:01:18,079
have any time for that. Then. Yeah, she took a

1402
01:01:18,119 --> 01:01:21,199
little girl, so didn't want to kill her. Killed them all,

1403
01:01:21,519 --> 01:01:24,920
left Johnny alive. Who I guess. I'm guessing he must

1404
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,679
have some stuff to do with like bank rolling that,

1405
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,000
Like there has to be because that's the only thing

1406
01:01:30,039 --> 01:01:31,960
I thought, like, how could she pull us all off there?

1407
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:32,920
All dad doesn't make sense?

1408
01:01:33,159 --> 01:01:36,679
Speaker 2: Should pinned on him? Is that another potential route?

1409
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:38,119
Speaker 1: I guess, Well, why couldn't you just say it's like

1410
01:01:38,159 --> 01:01:40,559
the Maroni's right, the same way That's what they did

1411
01:01:40,719 --> 01:01:43,960
the her brother, right, they just said, oh, yeah, the

1412
01:01:44,079 --> 01:01:46,760
Maronie's killed Alberto and until now she knows what's Penguin

1413
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:48,960
but for because that ring went missing, right, So they

1414
01:01:49,079 --> 01:01:51,519
just like, okay, So I think you could just do

1415
01:01:51,679 --> 01:01:54,880
that again. You could pin on Johnny, but I don't know.

1416
01:01:55,159 --> 01:01:57,360
I think he's there for other reasons. But yeah, I'm

1417
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,519
very excited to see what we get next week with Sofia.

1418
01:02:00,679 --> 01:02:03,639
Maybe with some new power, Penguin might be powerless, Like

1419
01:02:03,719 --> 01:02:06,840
I don't know, I really don't know what his next

1420
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:11,320
step is with no Maroni, Yeah, hiding out there, I

1421
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:13,440
don't know. But I'm very curious see what him and

1422
01:02:13,519 --> 01:02:14,920
Dick get up to next week because I feel like

1423
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,440
this is the lowest he's been, even lower than a driver,

1424
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:19,280
at least a driver. They're not trying to fucking kill you,

1425
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,039
but now you're enemy number one.

1426
01:02:22,239 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 5: So it is interesting because like a lot of the

1427
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:31,760
the power of the Falcones is definitely shaken. I feel

1428
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:35,679
like Penguin is just gonna like flee to the what

1429
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:37,280
the hell they called the Moron there we go?

1430
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Like although.

1431
01:02:41,159 --> 01:02:44,119
Speaker 5: Naudia I think that was her name, the one lady

1432
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,559
that had him dead to rights and was just airing

1433
01:02:46,599 --> 01:02:49,840
all of his dirty laundry to Sofia there. I feel

1434
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:53,760
like I feel like there's still some I don't know,

1435
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:58,119
something that he can kind of like just win them

1436
01:02:58,119 --> 01:03:01,599
over on or like something those lines, because he doesn't

1437
01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:04,199
really have any other allies, and like, I don't think

1438
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:08,360
he's just gonna be on his own and Sophia with

1439
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,360
her kind of just kidnapping Johnny, whatever the hell's gonna

1440
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:14,239
come out of that. I definitely don't think he's gonna

1441
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:18,639
find much solace in the the Falcone family. I keep

1442
01:03:18,719 --> 01:03:21,239
mixing up the Maroney's and the Falcones and my name

1443
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:22,400
now these mafia names.

1444
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 4: But yeah, so.

1445
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 5: Part of me thinks that like he still wants the Carmine.

1446
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:35,039
Fuck I'm gonna dosing his first name now, the Falcone

1447
01:03:35,159 --> 01:03:38,079
just like Empire, like he still had like wants his

1448
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,920
his his uh, his little penguin toes around that. But

1449
01:03:43,639 --> 01:03:45,440
I don't know, it's it's gonna be tough, especially with

1450
01:03:45,519 --> 01:03:47,599
Sophia still kicking, because even if he gets rid of her,

1451
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:53,199
like what like what is still really around for the Falcones,

1452
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:55,000
Like do they have henchmen that.

1453
01:03:55,199 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 4: Just don't have like bosses to listen to?

1454
01:03:58,039 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 5: Like, like how much of the actual infrastructre of that

1455
01:04:00,559 --> 01:04:03,559
moth and family is effective now? Like is this just

1456
01:04:03,639 --> 01:04:06,599
the end of the Falcones in general? Like they're gonna

1457
01:04:06,599 --> 01:04:08,559
have no leadership? Is everyone just gonna kind of get

1458
01:04:08,599 --> 01:04:13,000
absorbed in the Maronis or the Triads or whatever other families.

1459
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:14,199
Speaker 1: Or so that's why I wonder if he takes out

1460
01:04:14,199 --> 01:04:16,920
the Falcones and the Maroni somehow, and then that's how

1461
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:18,960
he kind of gets them both. It's like, well, maybe

1462
01:04:19,519 --> 01:04:21,719
having one might be not enough, but if he gets two,

1463
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:23,679
then it's a lot of coverage, a lot of clients,

1464
01:04:23,719 --> 01:04:25,159
a lot of you know, club.

1465
01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 3: The Maronis said that they took their like Sophia's whole

1466
01:04:28,719 --> 01:04:31,039
lap that she was working on, which is a setback

1467
01:04:31,039 --> 01:04:33,199
because if they didn't take that, I was thinking, Okay,

1468
01:04:33,519 --> 01:04:35,679
then Oz could just take over the relationship with the

1469
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:37,960
with the Triads, right, and that would be a huge

1470
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,599
boost because then he has Sofia's operation everything like that,

1471
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,760
and has the connections that he arranged with them, So that.

1472
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 2: Would be pretty big. Uh, But I don't know what

1473
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:47,719
he has.

1474
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:50,679
Speaker 3: It's he has to have something up asleep, because when

1475
01:04:50,719 --> 01:04:52,880
he was leaving when the last episode was VIC, he's.

1476
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 1: Like, we're in the ship now VIC.

1477
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:54,559
Speaker 2: WHOA.

1478
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 3: He's like, you're trying to high so he obviously it

1479
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:02,039
might have been preemptive his hands being shown to Sofia

1480
01:05:02,119 --> 01:05:05,239
and to the Maroni's. But I think he's got something

1481
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:06,599
lined up for sure.

1482
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think so. I think Penguin's working on

1483
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,360
his feet. No, I think he's gonna go to plans

1484
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:14,360
Z right now and figure out. I think he's gonna

1485
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:16,199
figure it out. He's gonna find one way. As we've

1486
01:05:16,239 --> 01:05:20,880
seen he's he's he's a squirrelly motherfucker. But uh, yeah,

1487
01:05:21,159 --> 01:05:22,719
anything else in this episode.

1488
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 5: I'm curious to see going forward, if we get like

1489
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:31,159
Penguin showing like any regret for things that he's done,

1490
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:33,800
like over this whole situation, like how it could have

1491
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,199
been easier or better if he had just done I

1492
01:05:36,239 --> 01:05:37,039
don't know x y Z.

1493
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 2: I thought he did last week, but.

1494
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, Fox Sophia again, I think he does. But until then,

1495
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,199
if his life's on the line, it's like, no, that's gone,

1496
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:46,920
you know. He just cast that to the side.

1497
01:05:47,039 --> 01:05:51,519
Speaker 4: So yeah, so I'm I'm not very hopeful about it,

1498
01:05:51,599 --> 01:05:52,519
but we'll see.

1499
01:05:53,079 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 2: Vic.

1500
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:55,559
Speaker 5: I think would be the one kind of person that

1501
01:05:55,639 --> 01:05:58,239
he has soul sin. But I'm getting worried for Mama

1502
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:04,000
Mama Penguin now after after this episode, I think she's it's.

1503
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:04,519
Speaker 1: Over for her.

1504
01:06:05,159 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 5: Sophia's gonna be up in the ceiling of her bedroom

1505
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:09,559
next episode.

1506
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 4: It's over for you.

1507
01:06:13,199 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 1: And for mom. His dementia is gonna be like really

1508
01:06:17,119 --> 01:06:18,280
not knowing what's going on.

1509
01:06:18,599 --> 01:06:20,639
Speaker 2: But that is a good thing that Oz has on her.

1510
01:06:20,679 --> 01:06:23,079
Speaker 3: At least he told Sophia that, you know, his mom

1511
01:06:23,159 --> 01:06:27,320
died a while back, right, So unless she somehow Mama

1512
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:28,639
Penguin just remembers, like.

1513
01:06:28,639 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 2: Oh, Oz is downtown, like I'll go down down and

1514
01:06:31,079 --> 01:06:31,880
like Oz.

1515
01:06:32,199 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: Sophia, I've always said that, I think there's a part

1516
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:38,000
of her that knows, or she's at least gonna find out.

1517
01:06:38,039 --> 01:06:40,440
Maybe that's what Julian's gonna do. Maybe he's gonna go

1518
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:43,280
do some sloop and and he's gonna I could see him,

1519
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:48,159
Julian Rush, that's the therapist guy that I could see him,

1520
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,480
like he's on the back foot and it's like, well

1521
01:06:50,599 --> 01:06:52,559
find me something to what oz, especially because she has

1522
01:06:52,599 --> 01:06:55,000
like a mental condition. Maybe at one point got I

1523
01:06:55,159 --> 01:06:57,880
was like backdoor, got some medicine or something right or

1524
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:02,119
even like some sort of oh sultant and then put

1525
01:07:02,199 --> 01:07:04,760
on Arkham for a decade. But no, like I think

1526
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:07,840
that could be Julian's maybe play in this that he

1527
01:07:08,079 --> 01:07:10,840
finds Penguin's mom and that's and that will be the

1528
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:11,519
end of Julian.

1529
01:07:11,599 --> 01:07:14,639
Speaker 3: But and I mean she does have that undercover cop

1530
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:16,480
right in her back pocket. Totally forgot about that, so

1531
01:07:16,559 --> 01:07:17,880
that might be the job ed guy.

1532
01:07:18,159 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, both of them. Aaron says, do you

1533
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:23,480
guys think Sofia might end up back in Arkman the

1534
01:07:23,559 --> 01:07:25,480
end of this season? I would love that. That's my like,

1535
01:07:26,239 --> 01:07:30,519
that's my pro want the most as Penguin Wins has

1536
01:07:30,639 --> 01:07:33,679
the crime families, but Sophia's there. But it's just tough

1537
01:07:33,719 --> 01:07:36,280
because unless I don't know, like of course I don't

1538
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:38,440
know the plans, right, We've got no villains announced, but

1539
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:41,440
I don't see her being in the Batman two North

1540
01:07:41,519 --> 01:07:43,280
three because I think the three is gonna probably be

1541
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:45,280
Jokers movie. I think they're gonna lead up to him,

1542
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:48,960
and I think that, well, I don't think you're getting

1543
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:51,440
a Penguin season two, so I think it's probably just

1544
01:07:51,719 --> 01:07:53,760
easier to kill her off. I guess you could have

1545
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:55,880
her in there and still never bring her back as well. Right,

1546
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:58,760
But to me, if you keep her alive, especially after

1547
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:00,960
this performance, I think people will will almost be expecting

1548
01:08:01,039 --> 01:08:02,920
her to come back, and who knows, maybe they kept

1549
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:05,719
her alive, like, hey, let's see, because if people are

1550
01:08:06,199 --> 01:08:08,440
luke warm on her, you can just say, well, she's

1551
01:08:08,559 --> 01:08:10,440
Arkham the same way as like, technically, I know it's

1552
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:12,320
different because he fled your past, but that's the end

1553
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:14,760
of Joker story in the Dark Knight series, right as well,

1554
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:17,000
he went to prison and he never got out again. Right,

1555
01:08:17,399 --> 01:08:19,560
So if they don't care about her, it's like, well, okay,

1556
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:22,960
Sophia's locked up there and Penguin won, and maybe it's like, well,

1557
01:08:23,119 --> 01:08:25,119
then if people do like her, we can bust her out.

1558
01:08:25,159 --> 01:08:27,079
But again, you got a member too. Lots of people

1559
01:08:27,079 --> 01:08:28,880
are watching the Penguin, but there's still like a difference

1560
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:31,760
of people watching the Penguin versus the movie. Right, Like,

1561
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:34,279
I don't know anybody right now in my personal life

1562
01:08:34,279 --> 01:08:36,239
that's watching the ping that saw the Batman. My in

1563
01:08:36,359 --> 01:08:39,000
law is my mom, sister, even Amy who wants to.

1564
01:08:39,039 --> 01:08:40,640
She's been busy, but it's like, oh, yeah, I'll get

1565
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:41,159
to eventually.

1566
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,079
Speaker 2: There's a difference to watch Penguin but haven't watched them.

1567
01:08:44,119 --> 01:08:46,239
Speaker 1: No other way around that, like watched Batman, but it's like,

1568
01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:48,520
oh there's Penguin. Oh yeah, cool, But it's like that's

1569
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:50,039
the same thing. They won't have the same hype, like, oh,

1570
01:08:50,119 --> 01:08:53,439
Sophia's coming back, So I still am thinking she's dead,

1571
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:54,920
but you guys think there's any chance she ends up

1572
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:55,119
inn ar.

1573
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:57,640
Speaker 3: I'm on the kind of the opposite because even at

1574
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:01,479
Thanksgeping dinner with Madison's like and no cool, Like they're like, oh,

1575
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:04,199
your podcast this weekend, like yeah, like Stani like yeah,

1576
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:14,159
closing the windows but yeah, I said, like, oh, we're

1577
01:09:14,199 --> 01:09:16,560
reviewing Penguin, Like oh yeah, we're really enjoying that.

1578
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:19,520
Speaker 2: I'm like really okay, I like I'm loving it too.

1579
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:22,720
Speaker 3: I didn't think that as many people were actually engaging

1580
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:24,399
in it, And I'd be curious to see what the

1581
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:26,560
numbers are if they actually, like drop the numbers of

1582
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:28,640
the show, see what they turn out in comparison to

1583
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:31,439
like a Disney plus Marvel show, because I think this is.

1584
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 1: Stuff it's doing like it seems it seems to be

1585
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:38,279
bouncing back between on like the first three to five days.

1586
01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:40,159
It's like a one point five to one point. It's

1587
01:09:40,159 --> 01:09:41,880
always been there, but that's just the first five days, right,

1588
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:43,680
things will pick up. I could see it being a

1589
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:45,960
show that people. It'll get recommended a lot on HBO

1590
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,359
and crave. When you when The Batman two is coming out,

1591
01:09:48,399 --> 01:09:51,359
imagine have you get ready for the Batman? You know?

1592
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:54,119
But Jay used to think Sophia has a chance to

1593
01:09:54,159 --> 01:09:54,720
make it all live.

1594
01:09:55,039 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 3: He said that, I think I think that they're oh,

1595
01:09:59,279 --> 01:10:01,720
she she's really like the only last powerhouse of the

1596
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:03,760
Falcone family, and I think that for that reason, you

1597
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:04,560
need to keep her alive.

1598
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:05,720
Speaker 2: But I think it.

1599
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:09,039
Speaker 3: Would just be bittersweet if you have Oz getting her

1600
01:10:09,119 --> 01:10:10,439
sent back to Arkham again.

1601
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:11,319
Speaker 2: Something like that.

1602
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,520
Speaker 3: That was just really cementum as just being a downright

1603
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:17,279
asshole and not him not having a regret sending her

1604
01:10:17,319 --> 01:10:19,520
back there, So I think I think that would be

1605
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:21,600
a that would be the way to go about it again,

1606
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:23,399
And I'm saying that too from a place where, like

1607
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:25,479
I said earlier, I want to see Selena Kyle and

1608
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:28,239
her have that that face to face, which probably will

1609
01:10:28,319 --> 01:10:30,560
not happen, but maybe you know it can remain hopeful.

1610
01:10:31,159 --> 01:10:33,279
Speaker 1: That's the only thing I would hope is. I don't

1611
01:10:33,279 --> 01:10:35,000
think it would be a Penguin season two, but my

1612
01:10:35,279 --> 01:10:37,199
dream is that out of I know there's been the

1613
01:10:37,279 --> 01:10:40,239
Arkham Show, the Cop show rumored out of all and not,

1614
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:42,600
there's been big rumors. But that's where you could bring

1615
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:44,560
her back, is if they did Selena Show and then

1616
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:47,119
there's something there you could even for an episode, so

1617
01:10:47,239 --> 01:10:49,319
that that would be my hope. I'm still hoping, but

1618
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:52,359
I think she's dead Kirklin and it's off. What do

1619
01:10:52,359 --> 01:10:53,840
you think is soundless? If you at the beginning, we

1620
01:10:54,039 --> 01:10:56,239
talked about at the beginning, but now for an hour discussion,

1621
01:10:56,279 --> 01:10:56,960
have you changed.

1622
01:10:58,359 --> 01:11:02,119
Speaker 5: No, I'm pretty much the same. I think, no matter why,

1623
01:11:02,159 --> 01:11:05,119
it's not gonna end well for her. She'll either die or,

1624
01:11:06,159 --> 01:11:08,199
like even worse than that, get sent back to Arkham

1625
01:11:08,319 --> 01:11:12,520
for another ten years, and I'd be terrified for Oz

1626
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:15,000
if she eventually gets out again, because I feel like

1627
01:11:15,079 --> 01:11:18,560
she would just be that like just multiplied, Like her

1628
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:24,039
insane level of vengeance should probably be put in Batman

1629
01:11:24,159 --> 01:11:25,760
to shame with the level of vengeance she would have

1630
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:29,800
after that event. So yeah, don't I don't think it's

1631
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,319
gonna end well for her, And I kind of am

1632
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:35,439
hoping that she gets dismantled in a way that like

1633
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:38,279
Oz really gets like the upper hand on her and

1634
01:11:38,319 --> 01:11:40,159
then it's just like revealed of like, Wow, this guy

1635
01:11:40,319 --> 01:11:43,760
actually is quite crafty and he did surpass or outlive

1636
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:46,640
I guess, all of the falcones and just kind of

1637
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:50,520
setting up his legacy going forward, because I imagine he's

1638
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:52,720
still going to be a part of the Batman's stories

1639
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:56,520
going forward, and just have him in a more powerful

1640
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:58,920
role would say a lot for just the growth of

1641
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:01,560
the character, because in this show already we've got to

1642
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:06,039
see the just the driver version of Oz, and if

1643
01:12:06,119 --> 01:12:09,560
you take that jump ten years plus whatever the length

1644
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,000
of time is going to be for his experience in Batman,

1645
01:12:12,079 --> 01:12:16,119
it's just like we really rose up and became like

1646
01:12:16,239 --> 01:12:18,560
a certain crime boss. I don't know what family is

1647
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:19,680
going to be leading. I don't know if it's going

1648
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:21,359
to be like a mixture of a bunch of different

1649
01:12:21,399 --> 01:12:26,479
families or whatnot. But for Sophia, no thumbs down. She's

1650
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:28,439
not just not gonna she's not gonna.

1651
01:12:28,199 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: Make it out well and there we go. Well, next

1652
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,159
week we start, we'll be in the back half of

1653
01:12:34,319 --> 01:12:38,159
the season. Should be an interesting time. Hopefully keeps up

1654
01:12:38,199 --> 01:12:40,199
this quality. But I don't think any of us are worried,

1655
01:12:40,239 --> 01:12:42,159
So thank you very much for listening. When we be

1656
01:12:42,319 --> 01:12:50,359
back next week, it'll not be boring by I'm supposed

1657
01:12:50,359 --> 01:12:51,680
to h at the end, last dream shit

1658
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:54,359
Speaker 4: Wait for balloons.