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<v Speaker 1>into that soon. But I asked Thomas to cover a

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<v Speaker 1>this is real important for from the revisionist perspective when

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<v Speaker 1>World War according to World War Two, and it's also

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<v Speaker 1>from podcasts I've heard in the past talking about it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's quite controversial, and maybe I'll ask you some questions

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<v Speaker 1>about that at the end. Thomas h even controversial amongst

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<v Speaker 1>our guys, and I have I have a reason why

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<v Speaker 1>I think it is. But why don't you tell us

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<v Speaker 1>what we're going to talk about today?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, in broad causal terms, we're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>the role of the Soviet Union in the Second World War.

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<v Speaker 2>That's an issue that's mischaracterized.

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<v Speaker 3>The main.

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<v Speaker 2>Minority view is presented by Victor Suvarov's Icebreaker. Suvarov is

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<v Speaker 2>a pseudonym for the Soviet defector who was deeply insinuated

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<v Speaker 3>Which was.

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<v Speaker 2>The military's the Red Army's counterpart to KGB KGB was

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<v Speaker 2>technically a branch of the Soviet military, but gru was

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<v Speaker 2>literally army intelligence because it may insisted well, most people

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<v Speaker 2>in addressing Suverov, they've got to discrete and narrow focus.

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<v Speaker 2>Essentially when they begin their analysis is on the eve

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<v Speaker 2>of Operation Barbarossa, and they get bogged down in them

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<v Speaker 2>nutia of what were Soviet deployments, how are they arrayed?

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<v Speaker 3>Were they offensively arrayed?

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<v Speaker 2>What were the comparative forest levels and capabilities of the

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<v Speaker 2>Wehrmacht and the Red Army. Now these things are relevant,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll address those things, but that's not an adequate analysis,

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<v Speaker 2>and Suvarov didn't begin as analysis there either. Suvarov's claim

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<v Speaker 2>is that the Soviet Union literally started World War Two,

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<v Speaker 2>and I accept that, and it's not strictly military analysis.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything about the Second World War was in dialogue with

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<v Speaker 2>Soviet power in the Soviet Union. The entire twentieth century

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<v Speaker 2>was in dialogue with the Soviet Union and its existence,

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<v Speaker 2>the ideology that animated its structure, activity, decision making, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, every imperative related to power, political activity, they're

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<v Speaker 2>in So other people, there's a subset of people just

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<v Speaker 2>don't really understand the issues presented, and they essentially accept

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<v Speaker 2>what court historians claim. But then they diverge or they

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<v Speaker 2>think that the question is should there you know, should

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<v Speaker 2>there be a deeper analysis at this key juncture in

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<v Speaker 2>the summer of nineteen forty one, they're looking at it

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<v Speaker 2>the wrong way, you know, either out of ignorance or

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<v Speaker 2>among academ and they don't want to be availed a

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<v Speaker 2>kind of punitive scrutiny. And I'll get into what I

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<v Speaker 2>mean by that, you know, I if you if you

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<v Speaker 2>accept the if you accept Suberov's perspective, which was also

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<v Speaker 2>shared by Jakam Hoffman. Jackham Hoffman was a military historian.

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<v Speaker 2>He died in middle age in the nineteen nineties early

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<v Speaker 2>two thousands. But he wrote this exhaustive book called Stalin's

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<v Speaker 2>War of Extermination, and he was essentially a Bundesla archivist.

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<v Speaker 2>And he wrote this exhaustive book about the origins of

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<v Speaker 2>the Second World War. And you know, about half of

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<v Speaker 2>it is dedicated to the political conditions that gave rise

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<v Speaker 2>to the conflict, and about half of it deals with

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<v Speaker 2>kind of hard and fast military subject matter. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's the best book written on the topic, and

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<v Speaker 2>he agreed very much with with Suvarov's analysis, but also myself,

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<v Speaker 2>especially being somebody who favors direct evidence and the testimony

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<v Speaker 2>of parties to the events in question. You know, if

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<v Speaker 2>you look at what Stalin said, and if you examine

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<v Speaker 2>the sort of ontological aspects the political ontology of Marxist Leninism,

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<v Speaker 2>that there should be something of a no brainer.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, this this.

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<v Speaker 2>Idea that the Soviet Union didn't have ambitions of an

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<v Speaker 2>imperialistic nature, that it had no interest in exporting its

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<v Speaker 2>ideology to the rest of the developed world, that it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't possessed of an expansionist sensibility. That's laughable. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's laughable because the only thing that sustains the revolutionary

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<v Speaker 2>political cultures such as that that was characteristic of the

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<v Speaker 2>Soviet Union is this kind of dynamic revolutionary violence that's

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<v Speaker 2>got to be exported once the revolution is consolidated within.

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<v Speaker 2>But also, you know, the Soviet Union between nineteen twenty

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<v Speaker 2>two in nineteen thirty nine, it conquered a land mass

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<v Speaker 2>of uh that was equivalent to the size of the

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<v Speaker 2>German Reich in nineteen nineteen something like four hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 2>square kilometers. This was a massively aggressive, expansion ist, burgaining superpower.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's indisputable. And this idea that the world

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<v Speaker 2>where you're talking about the United Kingdom, which had conquered

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three percent of this planet and lorded over five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred million people. You got the Soviet Union, which constitutes

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<v Speaker 2>one sixth of this plan in it, and it's animated

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<v Speaker 2>by this revolutionary imperative that it calls for the the

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<v Speaker 2>bolshivization of the entire developed world. You have the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>which is in controls as a nineteen thirty nine of

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<v Speaker 2>fully half of this planets remaining resources. The idea that

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<v Speaker 2>the world was terrified of this comparatively tiny country in Germany,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a laugh, you know, I mean, that's that's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how else to characterize it. And the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that you know, people suggest that is.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, is is insane.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say it's comical, but there's nothing funny about it,

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<v Speaker 2>because this kind of garbage inform's decision making, and it

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's a it was a kind of mass

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<v Speaker 2>delusion of in the public mind. But you know, first

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<v Speaker 2>and foremost. It often makes his point really at the

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<v Speaker 2>beginning of his study. You know, the imperialistic I don'ant

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<v Speaker 2>imperialist in the sense Lenin has talked about it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the Soviet Union was an empire in the ideological sense

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<v Speaker 2>make a mistake, and this sort of violent imperialistic power,

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<v Speaker 2>political sensibility.

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<v Speaker 3>It was.

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<v Speaker 2>This kind of relatory practice. It was baked into every

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<v Speaker 2>aspect of the Soviet political system, even even the heraldic

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<v Speaker 2>standard of the Soviet Union, which endured until the final

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<v Speaker 2>days in nineteen ninety one. It was literally the globe

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<v Speaker 2>with the overlaid on the planet Earth is this giant

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<v Speaker 2>hammer and sickle, you know. That was that was the

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<v Speaker 2>Soviet coat of arms. The symbolism is obvious, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Communism will encircle the whole world, you know, And the

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<v Speaker 2>motto of the Soviet Union similarly until the end translates

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<v Speaker 2>to proletarians of all countries unite. Yeah, it can't really

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<v Speaker 2>be more on the nose than it, you know, but

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<v Speaker 2>again intrinsic to intrinsic to the Marxist Leninist ethos as

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<v Speaker 2>a globalist perspective, That's one of the reasons why the

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<v Speaker 2>twentieth century belongs so much to the communists because it

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<v Speaker 2>was uniquely it was an ideology that was uniquely suited

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<v Speaker 2>to the then present and it was fundamentally forward looking.

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<v Speaker 2>They can't be denied, you know, it's it's obsolescence.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh do you know the fact that it became a staid.

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<v Speaker 2>The form of of organization and it was it was,

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<v Speaker 2>it became an obsolescent psychological artifact. But at at Zena

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<v Speaker 2>that it was very much u astride the zeitguys, So

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<v Speaker 2>they can't be denied. And even it was animated by

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<v Speaker 2>a uniquely expansionist sensibility. But even had it not then

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<v Speaker 2>everybody was. It was everybody who was uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>of participating in velt politique at scale had a global person.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that was the reality. The twentieth century was

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<v Speaker 2>decided what configuration globalism would take. Okay, it's just this

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<v Speaker 2>idea of a kind of insular communism that was narrowly

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<v Speaker 2>status that in inward looking. I mean, that's that's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>And beyond that Stalin Stalin himself came to characterize the

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<v Speaker 2>ideological culture of Marcis Leninism for an entire generation. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not accidentally. You know, he reigned for over thirty years,

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<v Speaker 2>and I believe he was the single most powerful man

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<v Speaker 2>on earth, and that is incredible for all kinds of reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, he very much set the tenor of

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the revolutionary culture characteristic of the socialist community

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<v Speaker 2>and nations as it was called. And he he was

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<v Speaker 2>a confidant of Lenin, and Lenin said repeatedly and often,

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<v Speaker 2>but most notably Lenin's famous December sixth, nineteen twenty speech,

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<v Speaker 2>which was dedicated to Communist practis and the vision for

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<v Speaker 2>a velt Politique, a Soviet Velt's politique.

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<v Speaker 3>He said that.

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<v Speaker 2>To incite the capitalist states against each other is the

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<v Speaker 2>main stratagem of communism. In his words, he said, quote

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<v Speaker 2>of using the knives of scoundrels like the capitalist thieves

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<v Speaker 2>against each other, on grounds that when quote when two

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<v Speaker 2>thieves fall out and fight, the honest man laughs. As

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<v Speaker 2>soon as we are strong enough to overthrow capitalism completely,

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<v Speaker 2>we will grab him by the throat. Victory of the

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<v Speaker 2>communist revolution in all countries is inevitable, and that encapsulates

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<v Speaker 2>Marxist learniness of els politique, and that defined it until

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<v Speaker 2>the very end. This was uh This was still the

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<v Speaker 2>ambition when even amiss the strategic nuclear stalemate, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in the late eighties, they were still challenging in Latin

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<v Speaker 2>America to try and rectify the strategic imbalance owing the

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the advantage conferred the United States and.

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<v Speaker 3>They're uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And its allies, you know, by the energerment border. You know, again,

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<v Speaker 2>this shouldn't be This shouldn't be mysterious or controversial. Rather,

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<v Speaker 2>now what I think of is literally the Stalin doctrine.

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<v Speaker 2>This was presented and articulated during a speech Stalin made

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<v Speaker 2>to the Central Committee of the All Communist Party in

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<v Speaker 2>July nineteen twenty five, and for the Soviets denied that

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<v Speaker 2>this speech happened for decades and it was authenticated that

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<v Speaker 2>the speech was made. And I'll get into how this

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<v Speaker 2>came about as we continue, but we're not there yet.

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<v Speaker 2>But what Stalin declared at this speech was quote, should

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<v Speaker 2>the war begin, we will not stand by inactively. We

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<v Speaker 2>will enter the war, but we will enter as the

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<v Speaker 2>last belligerent. We will throw a weight on the scales

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<v Speaker 2>that should be decisive. The historian named Alexander Neckridge, he's

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<v Speaker 2>he he characterized this as the Stalin doctrine, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and he insisted that this was never abandoned. And that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>And subsequent events and Stalin's decision making in a command

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<v Speaker 2>role as well as his you know, in Warren peace terms,

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<v Speaker 2>as well as in his role as General secretary, bear

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<v Speaker 2>that out.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, Stalin's last power political act was you know, giving.

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<v Speaker 2>the Korean peninsula, Okay, and.

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<v Speaker 3>This this led to.

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<v Speaker 2>A crisis on order of the Cuba crisis, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>less than a decade later. It's a tangent, but I

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<v Speaker 2>about every decade subsequent nineteen fifty, nineteen sixty two, nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventy three, nineteen eighty three, there was a.

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<v Speaker 3>General crisis.

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<v Speaker 2>Wrought by the traversing of a conflict diad in what

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<v Speaker 2>was a peripheral theater, but that you know, nonetheless had

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<v Speaker 2>the potential for escalation to it's a general nuclear war.

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<v Speaker 2>And but my point being that it's it's not as if,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Stalin literally at the end of his life

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<v Speaker 3>This sort of doctrinaire you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Program the UH and it's just became a fixation of

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<v Speaker 2>characterized by punctuated crises, you know, for the next decade

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<v Speaker 2>and a half, subsequent culimbating. Obviously, in nineteen thirty nine

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<v Speaker 2>and throughout the nineteen thirties, Stalin undertook a massive armaments

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<v Speaker 2>program that was unprecedented, you know, and based on his

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<v Speaker 2>rhetoric not just too you know, the poet Borrow and

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<v Speaker 2>to the assembled nomenclature of the All Communist Party, but

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<v Speaker 2>also these public speeches that he made for the consumption

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<v Speaker 2>not just of the Soviet people, but you know, as

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<v Speaker 2>a way of signaling to the rest of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>It was clear that he was convinced that a general

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<v Speaker 2>crisis had arrived, you know, in global capitalism, was was

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<v Speaker 2>on its way out, you know, and it was a

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<v Speaker 2>ninety thirty nine early on thirty nine. The British ambassador

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<v Speaker 2>to the Soviet Union, Stafford Cripps, and the American ambassador,

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<v Speaker 2>Lawrence F. Steinhardt, they both were adamant that Stalin intended

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<v Speaker 2>in East Asia, and that this was a grave threat

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<v Speaker 2>facing the British Empire. In the United States of America.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is important, especially the fact of Stalin's attention

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<v Speaker 2>to the developing situation in the Far East. I'd argue

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<v Speaker 2>that this was an essential aspect of what became his

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<v Speaker 2>strategic vision. And we'll get into what I mean by

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<v Speaker 2>that in a moment. When around between about nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 2>became available from the Soviet archives. That's how David Irving

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<v Speaker 2>got Gerbels the microfilm, the Gerbels diaries. That wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>possible anymore obviously today and now if you even even

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<v Speaker 2>if the Russian government viewed you as basically friendly your

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<v Speaker 2>view to as a dissident from the United States, they're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to give you access to anything the FSB has,

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<v Speaker 2>and I mean even something of exclusively historical interest, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>from the warriors. They're they're not going to let anybody

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<v Speaker 2>see that, you know, from without. But there's this brief

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<v Speaker 2>period of openness in the nineteen nineties, and during that

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<v Speaker 2>period a bunch of documents that have been corralled by

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<v Speaker 2>the People's Commissariate for Foreign Affairs, you know, uh that uh,

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<v Speaker 2>in the form of internal memorandum as well as literally

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<v Speaker 2>UH directives from you know, the desk of Stalin. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously it's it's not indicated as such, but reading between

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<v Speaker 2>the lines, you know, these are obviously these are obviously

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<v Speaker 2>statements from the General Secretary, most notably the People's Commissaria

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<v Speaker 2>delegation to Japan, the telegram from Moscow that UH suggests

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<v Speaker 2>that this Soviet diplomatic mission in Japan should agree to

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<v Speaker 2>any treaty that tends to bring about hostility between Japan

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<v Speaker 2>and the United States. You know, it's very undisguised, all

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<v Speaker 2>of these communications are you know, throughout the nineteen thirties

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<v Speaker 2>that anything that brings about a Japanese American war should

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<v Speaker 2>be cultivated. And this is this is imperative to Soviet ambitions,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the way it was described by one of

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<v Speaker 2>the archivists who was involved in this NNGO, which I

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<v Speaker 2>think still exists. There's this NGO that was corralled or

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<v Speaker 2>incorporated rather in January nineteen eighty nine. You know this

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<v Speaker 2>once before they enduring border fell like littlest in a

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<v Speaker 2>year that was dedicated to documenting human rights abuses as

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<v Speaker 2>they called it and other things. During the Stalin era,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's interesting data relating to the power political situation,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in the years prior to nineteen thirty nine

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<v Speaker 2>that they corralled as well, and of particular significance, there's

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<v Speaker 2>this transcribed memo from years subsequent by a man who

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<v Speaker 2>served in the the Chinese or Japanese diplomatic mission Soviet

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<v Speaker 2>diplomatic mission in the nineteen thirties, and he said, quote

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<v Speaker 2>the Soviet Union, for its part, was interested in distracting

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<v Speaker 2>British and American tension from European problems and in Japanese

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<v Speaker 2>neutrality during the period of the destruction of Germany and

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<v Speaker 2>the liberation of Europe from capitalism. And then, of course

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<v Speaker 2>it became clear that Japan was not going to remain

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<v Speaker 2>neutral or America was not going to allow it to

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<v Speaker 2>strike a position in neutrality. You know, it became imperative

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<v Speaker 2>to do everything possible to bring the United States and

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<v Speaker 2>Japan into collision, which once it became clear what the

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the New Dealer's ambitions were that that that

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<v Speaker 2>sort of resolved itself from the Soviet perspective, but nevertheless,

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<v Speaker 2>Japan was at the top of Stalin's mind. And we'll

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<v Speaker 2>get into what I mean by that in a minute. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>this is really what's critical to sub hypothesis and mine

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<v Speaker 2>own as well as what Suvarov posited. And again I

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<v Speaker 2>echo this sentiment. I the Soviet Union started World War

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<v Speaker 2>Two in August nineteen thirty nine when they launched a

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<v Speaker 2>massive surprise attack at calcin Gole and knocked out the

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<v Speaker 2>Japanese Imperial Army okay, and that changed everything, and that

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<v Speaker 2>also was literally the start of World War two. If

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<v Speaker 2>you look at hostilities in nineteen thirty nine and nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>forty five as a singular conflict, which I think in

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<v Speaker 2>broad conceptual terms is is useful, you know, especially because

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<v Speaker 2>that's court history claims that War two began, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in September of nineteen thirty nine, and bizarrely they claim that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Polish borders were somehow inviolable and any any

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<v Speaker 2>traversing of them was an act of global war. But

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<v Speaker 2>if we examined the ambitions and strategic orientations and objectives

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<v Speaker 2>of why the Soviet Union assaulted Japan, it becomes clear

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<v Speaker 2>that this was the start of the Second World War,

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<v Speaker 2>and what the reasons why they did that, what this

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<v Speaker 2>set in motion, It was truly an aspect of a

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<v Speaker 2>global campaign of revolutionary quest. But in the days before that,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is important too, because, like the nineteen twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five speech, the Soviet Union later claimed this never happened,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's interesting how the Allies dealt with it in

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<v Speaker 2>subsequent years. But on August nineteenth, nineteen thirty nine, Stalin

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<v Speaker 2>called a surprise secret meeting of the Central Committee of

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<v Speaker 2>the Politburo. During the meeting, Stalin announced that the time

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<v Speaker 2>had now come to quote apply the torch of war

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<v Speaker 2>to the European powder kig. Now, of course, this was

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<v Speaker 2>also as the non aggression pack was being you know,

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<v Speaker 2>negotiated with the German Reich. What Stalin said to the

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<v Speaker 2>assembled Central Committee quote, if we accept the German proposal

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<v Speaker 2>of the conclusion of a non aggression pact with them,

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<v Speaker 2>they would naturally attack Poland and the intervention of France

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<v Speaker 2>and England in this war would be inevitable. The resulting

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<v Speaker 2>unrest and disorder will lead to the a destabilization of

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<v Speaker 2>Western Europe without US us being the Soviet Union being

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<v Speaker 2>initially drawn into the conflict. And again, you know, since

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen twenty five, this had been what the Soviet Union

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<v Speaker 2>was waiting for according to the Stalin doctrine, as a

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<v Speaker 2>catalyst for you know, exporting the revolution too Western Europe,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and Stalin continued saying, quote we can hope

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<v Speaker 2>for an advantageous entry into the war, and a typical

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<v Speaker 2>Stalin euphemistic language, he said, quote a broad field of activity,

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<v Speaker 2>A broad field of activity was now opening for the

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<v Speaker 2>development of the world revolution. In other words, for the

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<v Speaker 2>accomplishments which had never you know, been abandoned, for the

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<v Speaker 2>sovietization of Europe and communist domination. He concluded this speech

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<v Speaker 2>by saying, comrades, in the interest of the Soviet Union,

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<v Speaker 2>the homeland of the workers, get busy in work, so

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<v Speaker 2>warm me break out between the Reich and the capitalistic

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<v Speaker 2>Anglo French bloc. This was the first stage of the

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<v Speaker 3>And you know.

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<v Speaker 2>It then the non aggression packed of course, was finalized

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<v Speaker 2>four days subsequent, and it becomes clear, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to take us down another tangent. But it

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<v Speaker 2>was really Gearing who pushed really hard for a firm

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<v Speaker 2>alliance with the Japanese. I mean, Hitler was already sort

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<v Speaker 2>of disposed that way.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Gearing respected the Japanese a lot, and Gearing was something

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<v Speaker 2>of a terrible snob, and he thought that Japan was

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<v Speaker 2>like a high culture. I mean, we're just but beyond

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<v Speaker 2>the aesthetical attraction, you know, the understanding was that Japan

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<v Speaker 2>was a great power in its own right, and they'd

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<v Speaker 2>smashed the Imperial Russian Navy in nineteen o five, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Japan was just you know, the ideal hedge

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<v Speaker 2>they have against the Soviet Union the east. So when

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<v Speaker 2>the Red Army launched this blitz assault of the Japanese

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<v Speaker 2>Army in the Far East and utterly annihilated them, this

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<v Speaker 2>terrified people. And it also it really meant that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the Reich had no choice but to sue for temporary

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<v Speaker 2>peace with the Soviet Union because then they had no hedge,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and it was clear that any moved westward,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and uh Hitler was confident that the war,

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<v Speaker 2>a war with France, wouldn't be a quagmire, but just

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<v Speaker 2>the same, you know, he knew there weren't the forces

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<v Speaker 2>in being to fight off as Soviet assault through Poland

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<v Speaker 2>as the Reich was you know, fighting in France. So

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<v Speaker 2>this was a this was very much a conspiratorial master

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<v Speaker 2>stroke of Stalin.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm gonna be wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Stalin wanted to conquer the Far East anyway, but that

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<v Speaker 2>timing was ideal, you know. And uh, there was the

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<v Speaker 2>forces in being arrayed such that it was a sort

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<v Speaker 2>of a perfect opportunity not just to humiliate the Japanese

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<v Speaker 2>Imperial Army, but to telegraph a mess into the world

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<v Speaker 2>about Soviet military might, you know. And it was highly

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<v Speaker 2>effective in that regard. Now, the speech that Stalin made

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<v Speaker 2>where he outlined his plan for the conquest of Europe

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<v Speaker 2>in the midst of you know, a Western European civil war.

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<v Speaker 2>The French national news agency HAVAS, they obtained a copy

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<v Speaker 2>of this by way of Geneva, presumably from you know,

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<v Speaker 2>their own spies are from a friendly intelligence service, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was published in early nineteen thirty nine throughout France and.

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<v Speaker 3>Moscow.

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<v Speaker 2>Claimed it was fake and it was a forgery, and

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<v Speaker 2>right up to the present day, incredibly you'll find these

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<v Speaker 2>dummy court historians and they're apologists claiming that this this

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<v Speaker 2>this was somehow a forgery by the French Havas agency

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<v Speaker 2>and French intelligence by by by anti communists. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's ridiculous. In the official party paper UH Pravda November thirty,

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<v Speaker 2>ninety thirty nine, Stalin himself finally came out and officially

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<v Speaker 2>denied UH that the speech was uh was made and

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<v Speaker 2>and and reiterated this preposterous claim that it was some

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<v Speaker 2>forgery by ant Bye, by fascists. You know, this was demonstrated, UH.

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<v Speaker 3>It was.

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<v Speaker 2>Confirmed to have been a real speech by Stalin's official biographer,

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<v Speaker 2>who died only around nineteen ninety five. Even in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety three he gave an interview where he confirmed for

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<v Speaker 2>all time that.

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<v Speaker 3>This speech happened.

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<v Speaker 2>The language of it was in fact transcribed perfectly in

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<v Speaker 2>the you know, a document that was rendered by French

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<v Speaker 2>of us, and that should have settled it for all time.

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<v Speaker 2>But like I said, regime historians will simply argue by

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<v Speaker 2>assertion and repeat lies over and over and over and

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<v Speaker 2>over again, and they'll simply then the evidence in rebuttal.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's UH. This is important because it became a

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<v Speaker 2>major This is there was a major stumbling block for

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<v Speaker 2>the New Dealers obviously as well as UH the War

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<v Speaker 2>Party in the UK. You know, it was beyond an

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<v Speaker 2>embarrassment that it stood the represent a real crisis with

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<v Speaker 2>regards to their mandate. But uh, it goes to show

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<v Speaker 2>you what kind of bully pulpit had been devised and

425
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<v Speaker 2>erected in uh, you know, the US and the UK.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, part of it was because it was the

427
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<v Speaker 2>it was it was a French news release. But even

428
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<v Speaker 2>so it the ability to lock out and describe that

429
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<v Speaker 2>conflicting information and facts that had a tended to impeach

430
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<v Speaker 2>official narratives is pretty remarkable. And in the case of

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<v Speaker 2>the in the case of the focus in the UK

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<v Speaker 2>and the New Deal in America.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, uh, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Super Off, to his credit, took up the issue of

435
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<v Speaker 2>the August nineteenth speech, but.

436
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<v Speaker 3>It was uh. Vokoganov.

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<v Speaker 2>Volkoganov was the biographer in question who attested at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of his life to the.

439
00:40:47.559 --> 00:40:55.159
<v Speaker 3>Voracity of the speech. But you know, the.

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<v Speaker 2>It was on January the sixteenth, nineteen ninety three. And

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<v Speaker 2>again this was that period of approximately summer fall nineteen

442
00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:18.559
<v Speaker 2>ninety one until probably very early nineteen ninety six where

443
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<v Speaker 2>there was open access to Stalin era archives and data

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<v Speaker 2>in the Soviet Union.

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<v Speaker 1>Can we address something right there?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, go ahead, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people will say that, like the Goebels

448
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<v Speaker 1>draw diaries or forgeries. So you know, why is it

449
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<v Speaker 1>all of this forgeries as well?

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<v Speaker 2>Because it's a non argument. It's like saying who forged

451
00:41:48.360 --> 00:41:51.639
<v Speaker 2>the Gerbel diaries? So what the Soviets did was they

452
00:41:51.639 --> 00:41:56.480
<v Speaker 2>went to Berlin, they forged a bunch of documents. They

453
00:41:56.519 --> 00:41:59.239
<v Speaker 2>put it in a Berlin bank vault, they pretended to

454
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:02.360
<v Speaker 2>discover it. They took it back to the Soviet Union,

455
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:10.039
<v Speaker 2>the NKVD, later the KGB. They continued to pretend that

456
00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Gerbels had written dreams of diary material for fifty years.

457
00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:19.679
<v Speaker 2>They lied about this for no reason. Then David Irving

458
00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:23.239
<v Speaker 2>also lied about this, that he could capture clouts. Like what,

459
00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:29.039
<v Speaker 2>there's there's this kind of stock in trade of simpletons

460
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:33.119
<v Speaker 2>and idiots to just go around saying things are fake.

461
00:42:33.800 --> 00:42:41.320
<v Speaker 2>You know, Hitler's second book is fake. General Patten's personal

462
00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:47.360
<v Speaker 2>diaries are fake, Gerbel's diaries are fake. Everything is fake, Okay,

463
00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:53.280
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I it's like me saying Donald Trump is

464
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<v Speaker 2>actually of Jewish parentage. I can't prove that. There's no

465
00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:00.239
<v Speaker 2>evidence to that, there's no reason to believe that, but

466
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<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna keep saying that over and over again.

467
00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:07.000
<v Speaker 2>See Donald Donald Trump is Jewish. Oh you don't think so. Yeah,

468
00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:09.239
<v Speaker 2>well you don't know anything. He's Jewish, I say so.

469
00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:14.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean I I can do that too. Okay, you know,

470
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<v Speaker 2>the onus is on the declarant.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>And again I what so the Soviets are in the

473
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<v Speaker 2>business of just pretending that Gorbals wrote these diaries. I

474
00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:34.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't accept that because it's stupid. But

475
00:43:35.800 --> 00:43:39.800
<v Speaker 2>Loo Kalganov, he was Stalin's official biographer.

476
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<v Speaker 3>He confirmed in.

477
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:56.000
<v Speaker 2>Is Vestia, which was an organ of uh that constellation

478
00:43:56.119 --> 00:44:01.159
<v Speaker 2>of NGOs as I indicated a moment ago dedicated to

479
00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:04.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of truth and reconciliation about the Stalin era.

480
00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:17.519
<v Speaker 2>He went public in Russian and European media, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was adamant that the minutes of the August nineteen, nineteen

482
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:29.000
<v Speaker 2>thirty nine speech that have been published in France were legitimate.

483
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<v Speaker 3>That speech happened, you know.

484
00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:38.079
<v Speaker 2>And again I'm sure, I'm sure these same defectors are

485
00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:41.039
<v Speaker 2>gonna claim, well that's fake. Okay, fine, everything is fake.

486
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<v Speaker 2>I'm an adult and I'm a white person.

487
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<v Speaker 3>I'm not. I'm not.

488
00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:51.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm not I'm not a white in worder like developmently disabled.

489
00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:59.320
<v Speaker 2>So I don't entertain that kind of stuff. But you know,

490
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:06.679
<v Speaker 2>the and there's a historian, this lady historian, Russian historian

491
00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:17.239
<v Speaker 2>ts Busueva. She undertook this broad scholarly evaluation of Suvarov's books,

492
00:45:18.679 --> 00:45:22.440
<v Speaker 2>not just Icebreaker, kind of his entire body of work.

493
00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:30.960
<v Speaker 2>And her account of his work product was mixed. She

494
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<v Speaker 2>was somewhat critical in acumtive way. She praised other stuff.

495
00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:44.360
<v Speaker 2>But she was adamant that the August nineteenth, ninety thirty

496
00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:53.840
<v Speaker 2>nine speech was legitimate, and she claimed that copies of

497
00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:59.679
<v Speaker 2>the speech were known to exist in the special archives

498
00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:05.639
<v Speaker 2>of the Central Committee and the USSR, and she made

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00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:10.559
<v Speaker 2>excerpts of it available to the public in December nineteen

500
00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:20.920
<v Speaker 2>ninety four, and there was this big deal. The publication

501
00:46:21.159 --> 00:46:27.800
<v Speaker 2>was a big deal, and it was unveiled at this

502
00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:34.199
<v Speaker 2>conference of the quote Memorial Society. That's the need, that's

503
00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:37.280
<v Speaker 2>the umbrella name of that constellation of NGOs I was

504
00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:42.679
<v Speaker 2>talking about. And this is on August sixteenth, nineteen ninety five.

505
00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:49.079
<v Speaker 2>That was this kind of grand unveiling, you know, but

506
00:46:49.199 --> 00:46:54.519
<v Speaker 2>they they and this might seem silly to make such

507
00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:58.960
<v Speaker 2>a big deal about the release of historical documents, but

508
00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:01.000
<v Speaker 2>if you know about the soul be its system. I

509
00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:04.079
<v Speaker 2>mean that it's it was this is a special case,

510
00:47:04.239 --> 00:47:08.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's it wasn't an ordinary political system. And

511
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<v Speaker 2>this this document changed everything, or it should have in

512
00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:22.039
<v Speaker 2>the public mind, you know, because it's essentially uh a

513
00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:24.599
<v Speaker 2>standing rebuttal to.

514
00:47:26.920 --> 00:47:35.199
<v Speaker 3>The entire court narrative of the war and its origins.

515
00:47:38.119 --> 00:47:39.239
<v Speaker 3>You know. So there's that too.

516
00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:42.960
<v Speaker 2>So I mean again, I where where where's where's the

517
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:46.039
<v Speaker 2>evidence that all this is being faked? Like I guarantee

518
00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:49.360
<v Speaker 2>you the Russian government wasn't happy about this, you know,

519
00:47:49.480 --> 00:47:53.280
<v Speaker 2>I mean I and that they still aren't any anybody

520
00:47:53.320 --> 00:47:57.800
<v Speaker 2>who is fluent into Russian and I they're they're welcome

521
00:47:57.880 --> 00:48:02.960
<v Speaker 2>to proper evidence that this is all legered me in

522
00:48:03.079 --> 00:48:12.000
<v Speaker 2>and it's fake. But obviously that won't be forthcoming, you know.

523
00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:16.360
<v Speaker 2>And Thou's getting to the kind of meat of the

524
00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:23.800
<v Speaker 2>honest of hostilities, you know again, suber Ov's the core

525
00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:24.639
<v Speaker 2>of his theory.

526
00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:27.280
<v Speaker 3>You know.

527
00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:32.519
<v Speaker 2>Again, it's it's not just a matter of a discreete

528
00:48:33.760 --> 00:48:39.920
<v Speaker 2>revisionist analysis of Operation Barbarossa and which party combatant or

529
00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:49.440
<v Speaker 2>combatants were you know, the aggressor. It's far more of

530
00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:57.679
<v Speaker 2>a broad spectrum analysis and that and Jack and Hoffman

531
00:48:57.760 --> 00:49:01.480
<v Speaker 2>agreed with this perspective, and I agree with it.

532
00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:02.119
<v Speaker 3>Two.

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<v Speaker 2>Not only was Stalin the progenitor of World War two,

534
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:12.280
<v Speaker 2>but World War two began on August nineteenth, nineteen thirty nine,

535
00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:16.639
<v Speaker 2>because that's the date when Stalin ordered the assault on

536
00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:29.320
<v Speaker 2>Calcan Goal. Japanese sixth Army was deployed there. Stalin ordered

537
00:49:29.360 --> 00:49:40.599
<v Speaker 2>a massive assault. The Japanese were soundly defeated and routed.

538
00:49:41.679 --> 00:49:49.679
<v Speaker 2>Marshal Zukoff stated on August twenty third, nineteen thirty nine,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in a reference to the Chalcan Goal assault

540
00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:56.400
<v Speaker 2>as well as the non Aggression Pact with the Reich

541
00:49:57.199 --> 00:50:04.639
<v Speaker 2>which had just been you know, signed Zukoff.

542
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<v Speaker 3>Said.

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<v Speaker 2>Quote Stalin was convinced that the non aggression pack would

544
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<v Speaker 2>enable him to rap Hitler around his little finger. Quote

545
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<v Speaker 2>we have tricked Hitler for the moment end quote with

546
00:50:19.280 --> 00:50:29.920
<v Speaker 2>Stalin's opinion. According to Nikita Krushchiev, Suvarov's take, which should

547
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<v Speaker 2>be obvious to those familiar with the historical record, the

548
00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:41.239
<v Speaker 2>non Aggression packed on the heels of Japan being crushed

549
00:50:41.280 --> 00:50:47.679
<v Speaker 2>on land in the Far East. Hitler believed then that

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00:50:48.679 --> 00:50:54.039
<v Speaker 2>he had to attack Poland to protect the frontier of

551
00:50:54.039 --> 00:51:00.960
<v Speaker 2>the German Reich. He would not have acted without a

552
00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:04.840
<v Speaker 2>guarantee of non aggression because Germany wasn't in a position

553
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<v Speaker 2>to go to war with the Soviet Union at that moment.

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00:51:11.320 --> 00:51:13.960
<v Speaker 2>People were terrified of the Soviet Union after it had

555
00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:17.119
<v Speaker 2>just crushed the mighty Japanese Army. So again, I mean,

556
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<v Speaker 2>this is laughable, this idea that this idea that Stalin,

557
00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:25.079
<v Speaker 2>who had who had just crushed the Japanese Army, who

558
00:51:25.159 --> 00:51:33.239
<v Speaker 2>was sitting on the throne of a Burgining superpower that

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00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:37.119
<v Speaker 2>concluded one six of this planet. The idea that Stalin

560
00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:41.320
<v Speaker 2>was terrified of Hitler and comparatively tiny Germany, that's preposterous.

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00:51:42.440 --> 00:51:42.639
<v Speaker 3>You know.

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00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:55.639
<v Speaker 2>Molotov, you know, obviously was you know, chief diplomat. His

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00:51:55.719 --> 00:51:59.239
<v Speaker 2>official title was Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars.

564
00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:06.400
<v Speaker 2>Molotov spoke for the Supreme Soviet on October thirty first,

565
00:52:06.519 --> 00:52:12.519
<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty nine. He said, quote, a single blow against Poland,

566
00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:15.159
<v Speaker 2>first by the Germans and then by the Red Army,

567
00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:18.880
<v Speaker 2>and nothing, nothing will remain of this misbegotten little child

568
00:52:18.920 --> 00:52:22.639
<v Speaker 2>of the Versailles Treaty, which owed its existence the repression

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00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:24.400
<v Speaker 2>of non Polish nationalities.

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00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:25.719
<v Speaker 3>You know. So again to.

571
00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:31.679
<v Speaker 2>The Soviet nomenclature and especially Stalin, they wanted to they

572
00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:34.599
<v Speaker 2>wanted to crush Poland, you know, among other things the

573
00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:37.800
<v Speaker 2>polls were at the Polish Munta was ethnically cleansing Russians,

574
00:52:38.199 --> 00:52:41.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, the Russians hated the Poles, you know. Interestingly,

575
00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:48.400
<v Speaker 2>you know again this this this supposedly sacro stamic Polish democracy,

576
00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:53.079
<v Speaker 2>It didn't bother the UK when when when the Soviets

577
00:52:53.079 --> 00:52:56.519
<v Speaker 2>assaulted That's interesting, isn't it.

578
00:52:56.719 --> 00:52:58.039
<v Speaker 3>But so.

579
00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:05.159
<v Speaker 2>And then of course two within months, the Soviet Union

580
00:53:05.199 --> 00:53:14.159
<v Speaker 2>assaulted Finland, you know, so uh the uh if if

581
00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:15.840
<v Speaker 2>Stalin was this uh.

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00:53:17.199 --> 00:53:19.039
<v Speaker 3>Isolationist. Oh.

583
00:53:19.039 --> 00:53:24.039
<v Speaker 2>And of course meanwhile too, uh, you know, they the

584
00:53:24.119 --> 00:53:29.320
<v Speaker 2>Soviet Union was funding, equipping, arming, and facilitating the Communist

585
00:53:29.400 --> 00:53:36.039
<v Speaker 2>revolution in Spain, which obviously had profound, you, strategic significance.

586
00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:40.679
<v Speaker 2>You know, in the same period the Soviets had assaulted

587
00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:46.760
<v Speaker 2>and conquered Poland, you know, Uh, They'd assaulted Finland and

588
00:53:48.719 --> 00:53:53.480
<v Speaker 2>conquered uh archangel you know, and through the UH, the

589
00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:58.159
<v Speaker 2>the waging of these aggressive wars against Poland and Finland,

590
00:53:58.440 --> 00:54:09.280
<v Speaker 2>and then essentially the extortionate annexation of the Baltic you know,

591
00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:14.440
<v Speaker 2>and threatening to assault Romania, which all of which gained

592
00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:19.199
<v Speaker 2>territorial concessions out of shopping fire. Because again, every the

593
00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:23.760
<v Speaker 2>Soviet Union's neighbors were incapable of standing up to its might,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

595
00:54:28.159 --> 00:54:31.960
<v Speaker 3>So by this time, by.

596
00:54:35.320 --> 00:54:40.880
<v Speaker 2>The eve of Barbarossa, the Soviet Union had expanded its

597
00:54:41.000 --> 00:54:45.440
<v Speaker 2>territory by four hundred and twenty six thousand square kilometers.

598
00:54:46.920 --> 00:54:49.440
<v Speaker 2>That was equivalent to the service of the entire German

599
00:54:49.519 --> 00:54:53.320
<v Speaker 2>Reich in nineteen nineteen. And in so doing, as the

600
00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:57.159
<v Speaker 2>Alkahafman points out, Stalin had ripped away and you know,

601
00:54:57.360 --> 00:55:09.280
<v Speaker 2>buffer states on Germany's frontier. So I mean Europe was defenseless,

602
00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:12.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, in the East.

603
00:55:13.880 --> 00:55:14.559
<v Speaker 3>You know, and.

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00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:23.599
<v Speaker 2>Obviously the time was nigh for a for an assault

605
00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:30.480
<v Speaker 2>on Europe and where Germany was as of nineteen forty.

606
00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:38.880
<v Speaker 2>Despite Germany's initial military successes, you know, there wasn't anything

607
00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:43.119
<v Speaker 2>Germany had done that Moscow considered particularly impressive or critical,

608
00:55:44.800 --> 00:55:49.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, that would have changed or altered Stalin's ambition.

609
00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:54.760
<v Speaker 2>It's quite the contrary. There was no longer a chance

610
00:55:54.800 --> 00:55:58.840
<v Speaker 2>a decisive victory against the UK because you know, Sea

611
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<v Speaker 2>Lion was a strategic ruse, the purpose of which was

612
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<v Speaker 2>to deceive Stalin, by the way, not that not Churchill,

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00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:10.119
<v Speaker 2>which I mean, that's that's interesting in its.

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00:56:09.960 --> 00:56:13.239
<v Speaker 3>Own right, but the uh, you know.

615
00:56:13.360 --> 00:56:18.760
<v Speaker 2>And as Stalin, who was already by that time had

616
00:56:18.960 --> 00:56:22.079
<v Speaker 2>hundreds of spies in the roseveltminstrations, and he knew exactly

617
00:56:22.119 --> 00:56:24.400
<v Speaker 2>what America was thinking, and he knew that the United

618
00:56:24.440 --> 00:56:27.880
<v Speaker 2>States was going to stand behind the UK. German forces

619
00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:34.599
<v Speaker 2>were scattered piece meal all over Europe. The German army

620
00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:41.639
<v Speaker 2>was still dependent on, you know, on horse drawn transportation.

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00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:46.320
<v Speaker 2>Germany wasn't even.

622
00:56:46.239 --> 00:56:46.880
<v Speaker 3>Close to.

623
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<v Speaker 2>Being able to realize a full mobilization on the order

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, nineteen fourteen, nineteen fifteen, even if there'd

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00:56:58.280 --> 00:57:02.360
<v Speaker 2>been the political will to do so. You know, the

626
00:57:02.480 --> 00:57:06.239
<v Speaker 2>minute Germany was cut off from Romania, they their army

627
00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:08.519
<v Speaker 2>would stop in its tracks because that was, you know,

628
00:57:08.599 --> 00:57:12.440
<v Speaker 2>their only source of vital petroleum. I mean, what would

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<v Speaker 2>would even a layman, looking at all relevant criteria and

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<v Speaker 2>variables as of you know, nineteen forty nineteen forty one,

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<v Speaker 2>sees Germany and his position a catastrophic vulnerability. So I

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<v Speaker 2>mean the idea that the idea that you know, again,

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<v Speaker 2>the idea that Stalin was afraid of Germany and afraid

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<v Speaker 2>of its armed forces. I mean, that's that's preposterous, beyond belief,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and just for just for comparative purposes. Between

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<v Speaker 2>November nineteen forty in the day Barbarossa June twenty second,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen forty one, there'd been a massive arms build up

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<v Speaker 2>underway since nineteen twenty five, but this year and a

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<v Speaker 2>half or this half the year, I mean, between you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the winner in nineteen forty and summer forty one, this

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<v Speaker 2>was an unprecedented military build up in terms of scale,

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<v Speaker 2>scope and rapidity. On June twenty second, nineteen forty one,

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<v Speaker 2>the Soviet Army possessed twenty four thousand tanks, almost two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand of which were T thirty four's, which were technically

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<v Speaker 2>classed as a medium tank, but they were probably the

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<v Speaker 2>best overall tank of the entire war. They The Air

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<v Speaker 2>force of the Red Army since nineteen thirty eight had

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<v Speaker 2>acquired twenty three thousand, two hundred and forty five military aircraft,

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<v Speaker 2>including three thousand, seven hundred that were of the most

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<v Speaker 2>recent design. The Red Army had one hundred and forty

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<v Speaker 2>eight thousand artillery pieces and mortars the inventory of the

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<v Speaker 2>Royal Navy. In addition to its surface fleet, it had

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred and ninety one submarines, which were an exclusively

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<v Speaker 2>offensive platform. This meant that the Soviet Union had more

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<v Speaker 2>submarines than any other country on this planet. They had

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<v Speaker 2>more than four times the number of submarines that the

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<v Speaker 2>Royal Navy did, which was the world's leading maritime state.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is early insane, you know, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>unprecedented like that, nothing approaching this sort of uh scope

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<v Speaker 2>scale and character of mobilization had ever been contemplated, let

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<v Speaker 2>alone implemented. So you know, again Germany, which is over committed, overstretched, outnumbered,

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<v Speaker 2>engaged in a quagmire, not mobilized for war. Like the

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<v Speaker 2>idea that the Soviet Union, which again had just succeeded

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<v Speaker 2>in stripping away Germany's buffer states in the East, and

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<v Speaker 2>that successfully conquered Poland, and you know, the territory had

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<v Speaker 2>covetated in the Arctic after you know, an unprovoked assault

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<v Speaker 2>on Finland. This idea that the Soviet Union was afraid

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<v Speaker 2>of Hitler, I mean, like it's it's so stupid, it

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<v Speaker 2>almost doesn't warn't rebuttal because it you know, it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's an exclusively bad faith.

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<v Speaker 3>Argument. But what a time ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm gonna wrap up there because I was about

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<v Speaker 2>to get into the some of the testim when you

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<v Speaker 2>send the commis ours about the ideological culture of the

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<v Speaker 2>Red Army itself. But yeah, I hope this was instructive

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<v Speaker 2>to people.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, Yeah, I can't wait for part two. One thing

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<v Speaker 1>that I would say is I think one of the

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<v Speaker 1>reasons that the narrative on Spain had to be controlled

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<v Speaker 1>after the war is because if the Republicans would have won,

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<v Speaker 1>Spain belonged to the Soviet Union, and you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>could you can make the argument Germany should have never

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<v Speaker 1>left after victory, but the Soviet Union, in no way,

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<v Speaker 1>shape or form, would have left. That would have been

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<v Speaker 1>a Soviet satellite state, and they would have had Gibraltar.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, well, it's just like the It's just like

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<v Speaker 2>when the ideological descendants of these of the traders who

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<v Speaker 2>fought for the Communists in Spain, it's like when they

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<v Speaker 2>support Islamic it's like when they support al Qaeda and Syria,

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, Oh, that's not al Kaido, that's these other

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<v Speaker 2>guys who don't actually exist. There were democrats. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>this level of it's like this infantile level of delusion.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even think they actually believe that there's insulting

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<v Speaker 2>the intelligence of everybody else, like you know, the oh

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<v Speaker 2>those were at the communists. There was these imaginary other

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<v Speaker 2>guys in Spain who like, what are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>There was this there was this unusual coalition of syndicolas, fascists, Filangis, Carlos, Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, reactionary monarchist types. I'm kind of secular nationalists,

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<v Speaker 2>you know that wash who are you know, referred to

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<v Speaker 2>with the nationalist side. I mean in anchor as that

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<v Speaker 2>may be. This is kind of the umbrella term that's favored.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh, there was the common Turn and and and

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<v Speaker 2>the Soviet Union and and their proxies. Like there wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>this other element there that were uh, like gay feminist

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<v Speaker 2>liberals or like Ernest Hemingway's buddies who just love freedom

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever whatever delusion normies have. You know, it was

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of it was a bunch of communists like

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<v Speaker 2>Eric Milke who were busy shooting priests and nuns in

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<v Speaker 2>the face and torturing fascist to death. Then, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>preparing to categorically exterminate anybody who wasn't editable, just like

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<v Speaker 2>they'd done in the Soviet Union, and just like Bellacoon's

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<v Speaker 2>uh brief tyranny did in Hungary, and and just like

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<v Speaker 2>the Communists did everywhere that you know, they were victorious

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<v Speaker 2>in theater.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I'll do your plugs for you. Go to

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas's substack. That's real Thomas seven seven seven dot com

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<v Speaker 1>dot substack dot com. Go to his website that's Thomas

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<v Speaker 1>uh Thomas seven seven seven dot com. But the T

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<v Speaker 1>is a seven, right, the first T is a seven.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, you can you can find him sometimes on

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<v Speaker 1>x h under under his government name.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, can link all that stuff from my you can

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<v Speaker 2>read all those links are on my website.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, and I'll have the links in the in

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<v Speaker 1>the show notes as well.

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<v Speaker 3>So thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Until part two. I really appreciate you doing this. This

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<v Speaker 1>is I think this is important.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, likewise, thanks for hosting me.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. M m.

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<v Speaker 3>M m h

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