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We'll be getting back 24 00:02:01,239 --> 00:02:06,840 into that soon. But I asked Thomas to cover a 25 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,120 topic that I've been wanting to cover for a while, 26 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,400 and yeah, I saw them. You can take as many 27 00:02:12,439 --> 00:02:14,680 episodes as he wants to cover this, because I think 28 00:02:14,719 --> 00:02:19,639 this is real important for from the revisionist perspective when 29 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,520 World War according to World War Two, and it's also 30 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,520 from podcasts I've heard in the past talking about it. 31 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,520 It's quite controversial, and maybe I'll ask you some questions 32 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,960 about that at the end. Thomas h even controversial amongst 33 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,159 our guys, and I have I have a reason why 34 00:02:37,199 --> 00:02:39,680 I think it is. But why don't you tell us 35 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,759 what we're going to talk about today? 36 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,759 Speaker 2: Well, in broad causal terms, we're going to talk about 37 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,639 the role of the Soviet Union in the Second World War. 38 00:02:51,479 --> 00:02:53,199 That's an issue that's mischaracterized. 39 00:02:55,879 --> 00:02:56,479 Speaker 3: The main. 40 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 2: Minority view is presented by Victor Suvarov's Icebreaker. Suvarov is 41 00:03:06,719 --> 00:03:15,479 a pseudonym for the Soviet defector who was deeply insinuated 42 00:03:15,479 --> 00:03:17,520 in the GRU. 43 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:19,159 Speaker 3: Which was. 44 00:03:20,599 --> 00:03:28,479 Speaker 2: The military's the Red Army's counterpart to KGB KGB was 45 00:03:28,479 --> 00:03:32,280 technically a branch of the Soviet military, but gru was 46 00:03:32,759 --> 00:03:43,439 literally army intelligence because it may insisted well, most people 47 00:03:43,599 --> 00:03:50,879 in addressing Suverov, they've got to discrete and narrow focus. 48 00:03:52,479 --> 00:03:55,520 Essentially when they begin their analysis is on the eve 49 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,879 of Operation Barbarossa, and they get bogged down in them 50 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:04,120 nutia of what were Soviet deployments, how are they arrayed? 51 00:04:04,879 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 3: Were they offensively arrayed? 52 00:04:07,919 --> 00:04:14,639 Speaker 2: What were the comparative forest levels and capabilities of the 53 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,360 Wehrmacht and the Red Army. Now these things are relevant, 54 00:04:18,879 --> 00:04:25,680 and I'll address those things, but that's not an adequate analysis, 55 00:04:25,879 --> 00:04:32,199 and Suvarov didn't begin as analysis there either. Suvarov's claim 56 00:04:32,399 --> 00:04:36,360 is that the Soviet Union literally started World War Two, 57 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:46,079 and I accept that, and it's not strictly military analysis. 58 00:04:47,519 --> 00:04:50,439 Everything about the Second World War was in dialogue with 59 00:04:50,639 --> 00:04:55,079 Soviet power in the Soviet Union. The entire twentieth century 60 00:04:55,319 --> 00:04:58,519 was in dialogue with the Soviet Union and its existence, 61 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:09,720 the ideology that animated its structure, activity, decision making, and 62 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:16,600 you know, every imperative related to power, political activity, they're 63 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:23,480 in So other people, there's a subset of people just 64 00:05:23,519 --> 00:05:29,240 don't really understand the issues presented, and they essentially accept 65 00:05:30,519 --> 00:05:36,519 what court historians claim. But then they diverge or they 66 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:41,079 think that the question is should there you know, should 67 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,839 there be a deeper analysis at this key juncture in 68 00:05:44,439 --> 00:05:47,439 the summer of nineteen forty one, they're looking at it 69 00:05:47,439 --> 00:05:53,120 the wrong way, you know, either out of ignorance or 70 00:05:53,160 --> 00:06:01,120 because they're cowed by what they view as political consensus 71 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:07,720 among academ and they don't want to be availed a 72 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,519 kind of punitive scrutiny. And I'll get into what I 73 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:18,079 mean by that, you know, I if you if you 74 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:22,399 accept the if you accept Suberov's perspective, which was also 75 00:06:22,759 --> 00:06:28,839 shared by Jakam Hoffman. Jackham Hoffman was a military historian. 76 00:06:30,399 --> 00:06:32,079 Speaker 3: He was when he was alive. 77 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 2: He died in middle age in the nineteen nineties early 78 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:40,720 two thousands. But he wrote this exhaustive book called Stalin's 79 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:52,399 War of Extermination, and he was essentially a Bundesla archivist. 80 00:06:53,879 --> 00:07:02,920 And he wrote this exhaustive book about the origins of 81 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,759 the Second World War. And you know, about half of 82 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:12,600 it is dedicated to the political conditions that gave rise 83 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,079 to the conflict, and about half of it deals with 84 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:20,920 kind of hard and fast military subject matter. But I 85 00:07:20,959 --> 00:07:25,680 think that's the best book written on the topic, and 86 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:36,680 he agreed very much with with Suvarov's analysis, but also myself, 87 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:44,279 especially being somebody who favors direct evidence and the testimony 88 00:07:44,519 --> 00:07:51,600 of parties to the events in question. You know, if 89 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,959 you look at what Stalin said, and if you examine 90 00:07:56,839 --> 00:08:02,920 the sort of ontological aspects the political ontology of Marxist Leninism, 91 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,199 that there should be something of a no brainer. 92 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 3: You know, this this. 93 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:15,399 Speaker 2: Idea that the Soviet Union didn't have ambitions of an 94 00:08:15,439 --> 00:08:20,399 imperialistic nature, that it had no interest in exporting its 95 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:28,600 ideology to the rest of the developed world, that it 96 00:08:29,319 --> 00:08:40,679 wasn't possessed of an expansionist sensibility. That's laughable. I mean, 97 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:45,120 it's laughable because the only thing that sustains the revolutionary 98 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:52,080 political cultures such as that that was characteristic of the 99 00:08:52,120 --> 00:09:00,120 Soviet Union is this kind of dynamic revolutionary violence that's 100 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:05,080 got to be exported once the revolution is consolidated within. 101 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:15,879 But also, you know, the Soviet Union between nineteen twenty 102 00:09:15,919 --> 00:09:22,879 two in nineteen thirty nine, it conquered a land mass 103 00:09:22,919 --> 00:09:25,399 of uh that was equivalent to the size of the 104 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,960 German Reich in nineteen nineteen something like four hundred thousand 105 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:36,039 square kilometers. This was a massively aggressive, expansion ist, burgaining superpower. 106 00:09:37,399 --> 00:09:42,960 You know, it's indisputable. And this idea that the world 107 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:48,080 where you're talking about the United Kingdom, which had conquered 108 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:54,360 twenty three percent of this planet and lorded over five 109 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:58,559 hundred million people. You got the Soviet Union, which constitutes 110 00:09:58,639 --> 00:10:04,360 one sixth of this plan in it, and it's animated 111 00:10:04,399 --> 00:10:08,279 by this revolutionary imperative that it calls for the the 112 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:12,799 bolshivization of the entire developed world. You have the United States, 113 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:18,519 which is in controls as a nineteen thirty nine of 114 00:10:18,639 --> 00:10:22,320 fully half of this planets remaining resources. The idea that 115 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:26,480 the world was terrified of this comparatively tiny country in Germany, 116 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:32,919 that's a laugh, you know, I mean, that's that's ridiculous. 117 00:10:34,399 --> 00:10:36,320 I don't know how else to characterize it. And the 118 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:40,279 fact that you know, people suggest that is. 119 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 3: You know, is is insane. 120 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 2: I'd say it's comical, but there's nothing funny about it, 121 00:10:52,759 --> 00:10:56,000 because this kind of garbage inform's decision making, and it 122 00:10:57,279 --> 00:11:01,000 you know, it's a it was a kind of mass 123 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:12,320 delusion of in the public mind. But you know, first 124 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:16,480 and foremost. It often makes his point really at the 125 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:21,960 beginning of his study. You know, the imperialistic I don'ant 126 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,799 imperialist in the sense Lenin has talked about it. I mean, 127 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:29,960 the Soviet Union was an empire in the ideological sense 128 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:34,960 make a mistake, and this sort of violent imperialistic power, 129 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:39,559 political sensibility. 130 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 3: It was. 131 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,279 Speaker 2: This kind of relatory practice. It was baked into every 132 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:50,799 aspect of the Soviet political system, even even the heraldic 133 00:11:50,919 --> 00:11:54,559 standard of the Soviet Union, which endured until the final 134 00:11:54,639 --> 00:12:00,919 days in nineteen ninety one. It was literally the globe 135 00:12:01,279 --> 00:12:06,639 with the overlaid on the planet Earth is this giant 136 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:11,039 hammer and sickle, you know. That was that was the 137 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:17,080 Soviet coat of arms. The symbolism is obvious, you know, 138 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,759 Communism will encircle the whole world, you know, And the 139 00:12:21,799 --> 00:12:26,440 motto of the Soviet Union similarly until the end translates 140 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:31,720 to proletarians of all countries unite. Yeah, it can't really 141 00:12:31,759 --> 00:12:34,639 be more on the nose than it, you know, but 142 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:45,360 again intrinsic to intrinsic to the Marxist Leninist ethos as 143 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,559 a globalist perspective, That's one of the reasons why the 144 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:52,679 twentieth century belongs so much to the communists because it 145 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,799 was uniquely it was an ideology that was uniquely suited 146 00:12:55,840 --> 00:13:00,679 to the then present and it was fundamentally forward looking. 147 00:13:01,399 --> 00:13:06,240 They can't be denied, you know, it's it's obsolescence. 148 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:13,879 Speaker 3: Oh do you know the fact that it became a staid. 149 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 2: The form of of organization and it was it was, 150 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:31,080 it became an obsolescent psychological artifact. But at at Zena 151 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:36,679 that it was very much u astride the zeitguys, So 152 00:13:36,759 --> 00:13:41,879 they can't be denied. And even it was animated by 153 00:13:41,879 --> 00:13:46,559 a uniquely expansionist sensibility. But even had it not then 154 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:52,159 everybody was. It was everybody who was uh, you know, 155 00:13:54,679 --> 00:14:00,000 of participating in velt politique at scale had a global person. 156 00:14:00,519 --> 00:14:04,559 I mean, that was the reality. The twentieth century was 157 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:09,720 decided what configuration globalism would take. Okay, it's just this 158 00:14:09,879 --> 00:14:14,120 idea of a kind of insular communism that was narrowly 159 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:18,559 status that in inward looking. I mean, that's that's ridiculous. 160 00:14:19,159 --> 00:14:25,879 And beyond that Stalin Stalin himself came to characterize the 161 00:14:25,879 --> 00:14:33,320 ideological culture of Marcis Leninism for an entire generation. It's 162 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:37,320 not accidentally. You know, he reigned for over thirty years, 163 00:14:38,639 --> 00:14:40,720 and I believe he was the single most powerful man 164 00:14:40,759 --> 00:14:47,600 on earth, and that is incredible for all kinds of reasons. 165 00:14:47,639 --> 00:14:53,120 But you know, he very much set the tenor of 166 00:14:55,600 --> 00:15:02,399 you know, the revolutionary culture characteristic of the socialist community 167 00:15:02,399 --> 00:15:09,360 and nations as it was called. And he he was 168 00:15:09,399 --> 00:15:17,320 a confidant of Lenin, and Lenin said repeatedly and often, 169 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:24,039 but most notably Lenin's famous December sixth, nineteen twenty speech, 170 00:15:25,399 --> 00:15:30,480 which was dedicated to Communist practis and the vision for 171 00:15:30,519 --> 00:15:33,440 a velt Politique, a Soviet Velt's politique. 172 00:15:34,279 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 3: He said that. 173 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:43,879 Speaker 2: To incite the capitalist states against each other is the 174 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:51,360 main stratagem of communism. In his words, he said, quote 175 00:15:52,039 --> 00:15:55,879 of using the knives of scoundrels like the capitalist thieves 176 00:15:55,919 --> 00:16:00,480 against each other, on grounds that when quote when two 177 00:16:00,519 --> 00:16:03,799 thieves fall out and fight, the honest man laughs. As 178 00:16:03,799 --> 00:16:06,519 soon as we are strong enough to overthrow capitalism completely, 179 00:16:06,919 --> 00:16:09,840 we will grab him by the throat. Victory of the 180 00:16:09,879 --> 00:16:21,879 communist revolution in all countries is inevitable, and that encapsulates 181 00:16:21,879 --> 00:16:27,720 Marxist learniness of els politique, and that defined it until 182 00:16:27,799 --> 00:16:32,399 the very end. This was uh This was still the 183 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:37,320 ambition when even amiss the strategic nuclear stalemate, you know, 184 00:16:37,399 --> 00:16:40,919 in the late eighties, they were still challenging in Latin 185 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:45,720 America to try and rectify the strategic imbalance owing the 186 00:16:46,399 --> 00:16:49,799 you know, the advantage conferred the United States and. 187 00:16:51,879 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 3: They're uh. 188 00:16:53,840 --> 00:17:02,279 Speaker 2: And its allies, you know, by the energerment border. You know, again, 189 00:17:02,279 --> 00:17:08,039 this shouldn't be This shouldn't be mysterious or controversial. Rather, 190 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:18,559 now what I think of is literally the Stalin doctrine. 191 00:17:19,759 --> 00:17:25,839 This was presented and articulated during a speech Stalin made 192 00:17:25,839 --> 00:17:30,440 to the Central Committee of the All Communist Party in 193 00:17:30,559 --> 00:17:40,240 July nineteen twenty five, and for the Soviets denied that 194 00:17:40,319 --> 00:17:46,960 this speech happened for decades and it was authenticated that 195 00:17:48,519 --> 00:17:51,920 the speech was made. And I'll get into how this 196 00:17:52,039 --> 00:17:56,000 came about as we continue, but we're not there yet. 197 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:05,799 But what Stalin declared at this speech was quote, should 198 00:18:05,839 --> 00:18:09,400 the war begin, we will not stand by inactively. We 199 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,400 will enter the war, but we will enter as the 200 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,680 last belligerent. We will throw a weight on the scales 201 00:18:14,759 --> 00:18:22,759 that should be decisive. The historian named Alexander Neckridge, he's 202 00:18:23,559 --> 00:18:31,359 he he characterized this as the Stalin doctrine, you know, 203 00:18:31,559 --> 00:18:37,559 and he insisted that this was never abandoned. And that's true. 204 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:47,440 And subsequent events and Stalin's decision making in a command 205 00:18:47,559 --> 00:18:51,279 role as well as his you know, in Warren peace terms, 206 00:18:51,279 --> 00:18:54,400 as well as in his role as General secretary, bear 207 00:18:54,519 --> 00:18:54,920 that out. 208 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 3: You know, Stalin's last power political act was you know, giving. 209 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 2: Mao and Kimmel Sung a green light to assault on 210 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:14,359 the Korean peninsula, Okay, and. 211 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 3: This this led to. 212 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 2: A crisis on order of the Cuba crisis, you know, 213 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:28,920 less than a decade later. It's a tangent, but I 214 00:19:29,039 --> 00:19:35,839 about every decade subsequent nineteen fifty, nineteen sixty two, nineteen 215 00:19:35,839 --> 00:19:39,440 seventy three, nineteen eighty three, there was a. 216 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 3: General crisis. 217 00:19:44,759 --> 00:19:51,559 Speaker 2: Wrought by the traversing of a conflict diad in what 218 00:19:51,839 --> 00:19:58,599 was a peripheral theater, but that you know, nonetheless had 219 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:04,279 the potential for escalation to it's a general nuclear war. 220 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:08,079 And but my point being that it's it's not as if, 221 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,680 you know, Stalin literally at the end of his life 222 00:20:11,839 --> 00:20:14,720 was still making decisions pursuant to. 223 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 3: This sort of doctrinaire you know. 224 00:20:24,839 --> 00:20:38,319 Speaker 2: Program the UH and it's just became a fixation of 225 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:48,160 Stalin's as the uh as a situation in Europe became 226 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:53,400 characterized by punctuated crises, you know, for the next decade 227 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:57,680 and a half, subsequent culimbating. Obviously, in nineteen thirty nine 228 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:06,720 and throughout the nineteen thirties, Stalin undertook a massive armaments 229 00:21:06,759 --> 00:21:15,400 program that was unprecedented, you know, and based on his 230 00:21:15,559 --> 00:21:22,599 rhetoric not just too you know, the poet Borrow and 231 00:21:24,839 --> 00:21:28,400 to the assembled nomenclature of the All Communist Party, but 232 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,759 also these public speeches that he made for the consumption 233 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:37,680 not just of the Soviet people, but you know, as 234 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:42,880 a way of signaling to the rest of the world. 235 00:21:43,759 --> 00:21:48,960 It was clear that he was convinced that a general 236 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:56,599 crisis had arrived, you know, in global capitalism, was was 237 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,599 on its way out, you know, and it was a 238 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:04,640 ninety thirty nine early on thirty nine. The British ambassador 239 00:22:05,759 --> 00:22:10,880 to the Soviet Union, Stafford Cripps, and the American ambassador, 240 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:18,039 Lawrence F. Steinhardt, they both were adamant that Stalin intended 241 00:22:18,079 --> 00:22:20,640 to bring about a war not only in Europe but 242 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,599 in East Asia, and that this was a grave threat 243 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,880 facing the British Empire. In the United States of America. 244 00:22:29,599 --> 00:22:39,160 And this is important, especially the fact of Stalin's attention 245 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:45,079 to the developing situation in the Far East. I'd argue 246 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:50,880 that this was an essential aspect of what became his 247 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,480 strategic vision. And we'll get into what I mean by 248 00:22:55,519 --> 00:23:03,880 that in a moment. When around between about nineteen ninety 249 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:09,839 one and nineteen ninety five, a lot of documents briefly 250 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:14,680 became available from the Soviet archives. That's how David Irving 251 00:23:14,759 --> 00:23:21,440 got Gerbels the microfilm, the Gerbels diaries. That wouldn't be 252 00:23:21,519 --> 00:23:27,240 possible anymore obviously today and now if you even even 253 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,160 if the Russian government viewed you as basically friendly your 254 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:34,279 view to as a dissident from the United States, they're 255 00:23:34,319 --> 00:23:37,400 not going to give you access to anything the FSB has, 256 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:43,880 and I mean even something of exclusively historical interest, you know, 257 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,480 from the warriors. They're they're not going to let anybody 258 00:23:46,559 --> 00:23:51,920 see that, you know, from without. But there's this brief 259 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:56,279 period of openness in the nineteen nineties, and during that 260 00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:01,880 period a bunch of documents that have been corralled by 261 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:12,400 the People's Commissariate for Foreign Affairs, you know, uh that uh, 262 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:19,880 in the form of internal memorandum as well as literally 263 00:24:20,039 --> 00:24:27,279 UH directives from you know, the desk of Stalin. You know, 264 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:32,079 obviously it's it's not indicated as such, but reading between 265 00:24:32,079 --> 00:24:36,680 the lines, you know, these are obviously these are obviously 266 00:24:36,759 --> 00:24:47,240 statements from the General Secretary, most notably the People's Commissaria 267 00:24:47,519 --> 00:24:57,880 delegation to Japan, the telegram from Moscow that UH suggests 268 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:06,759 that this Soviet diplomatic mission in Japan should agree to 269 00:25:06,839 --> 00:25:10,720 any treaty that tends to bring about hostility between Japan 270 00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:17,000 and the United States. You know, it's very undisguised, all 271 00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:20,240 of these communications are you know, throughout the nineteen thirties 272 00:25:20,279 --> 00:25:25,680 that anything that brings about a Japanese American war should 273 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:30,200 be cultivated. And this is this is imperative to Soviet ambitions, 274 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:44,559 you know, the way it was described by one of 275 00:25:44,559 --> 00:25:50,960 the archivists who was involved in this NNGO, which I 276 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:56,319 think still exists. There's this NGO that was corralled or 277 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,759 incorporated rather in January nineteen eighty nine. You know this 278 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,519 once before they enduring border fell like littlest in a 279 00:26:02,599 --> 00:26:09,119 year that was dedicated to documenting human rights abuses as 280 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,160 they called it and other things. During the Stalin era, 281 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:20,839 and there's interesting data relating to the power political situation, 282 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,519 you know, in the years prior to nineteen thirty nine 283 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:34,960 that they corralled as well, and of particular significance, there's 284 00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:44,799 this transcribed memo from years subsequent by a man who 285 00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:50,400 served in the the Chinese or Japanese diplomatic mission Soviet 286 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:55,759 diplomatic mission in the nineteen thirties, and he said, quote 287 00:26:55,799 --> 00:26:59,039 the Soviet Union, for its part, was interested in distracting 288 00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:06,200 British and American tension from European problems and in Japanese 289 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,119 neutrality during the period of the destruction of Germany and 290 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,680 the liberation of Europe from capitalism. And then, of course 291 00:27:12,759 --> 00:27:16,000 it became clear that Japan was not going to remain 292 00:27:16,079 --> 00:27:19,359 neutral or America was not going to allow it to 293 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:27,440 strike a position in neutrality. You know, it became imperative 294 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,799 to do everything possible to bring the United States and 295 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:37,079 Japan into collision, which once it became clear what the 296 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,480 you know, the New Dealer's ambitions were that that that 297 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:46,880 sort of resolved itself from the Soviet perspective, but nevertheless, 298 00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:52,440 Japan was at the top of Stalin's mind. And we'll 299 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:57,880 get into what I mean by that in a minute. Now, 300 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:09,920 this is really what's critical to sub hypothesis and mine 301 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:18,839 own as well as what Suvarov posited. And again I 302 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:26,920 echo this sentiment. I the Soviet Union started World War 303 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:32,279 Two in August nineteen thirty nine when they launched a 304 00:28:32,279 --> 00:28:37,279 massive surprise attack at calcin Gole and knocked out the 305 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:42,319 Japanese Imperial Army okay, and that changed everything, and that 306 00:28:42,519 --> 00:28:47,160 also was literally the start of World War two. If 307 00:28:47,359 --> 00:28:50,119 you look at hostilities in nineteen thirty nine and nineteen 308 00:28:50,119 --> 00:28:55,559 forty five as a singular conflict, which I think in 309 00:28:55,640 --> 00:29:02,000 broad conceptual terms is is useful, you know, especially because 310 00:29:02,079 --> 00:29:07,319 that's court history claims that War two began, you know, 311 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:13,799 in September of nineteen thirty nine, and bizarrely they claim that, 312 00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:20,599 you know, Polish borders were somehow inviolable and any any 313 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,519 traversing of them was an act of global war. But 314 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:31,759 if we examined the ambitions and strategic orientations and objectives 315 00:29:31,799 --> 00:29:37,039 of why the Soviet Union assaulted Japan, it becomes clear 316 00:29:37,119 --> 00:29:39,160 that this was the start of the Second World War, 317 00:29:39,599 --> 00:29:42,759 and what the reasons why they did that, what this 318 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:54,079 set in motion, It was truly an aspect of a 319 00:29:54,240 --> 00:30:04,119 global campaign of revolutionary quest. But in the days before that, 320 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,279 and this is important too, because, like the nineteen twenty 321 00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:14,160 five speech, the Soviet Union later claimed this never happened, 322 00:30:17,319 --> 00:30:20,519 and it's interesting how the Allies dealt with it in 323 00:30:20,599 --> 00:30:31,880 subsequent years. But on August nineteenth, nineteen thirty nine, Stalin 324 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:36,440 called a surprise secret meeting of the Central Committee of 325 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:46,519 the Politburo. During the meeting, Stalin announced that the time 326 00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:49,359 had now come to quote apply the torch of war 327 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:57,799 to the European powder kig. Now, of course, this was 328 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:06,240 also as the non aggression pack was being you know, 329 00:31:07,079 --> 00:31:12,079 negotiated with the German Reich. What Stalin said to the 330 00:31:12,079 --> 00:31:16,559 assembled Central Committee quote, if we accept the German proposal 331 00:31:16,599 --> 00:31:21,440 of the conclusion of a non aggression pact with them, 332 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,440 they would naturally attack Poland and the intervention of France 333 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,319 and England in this war would be inevitable. The resulting 334 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,799 unrest and disorder will lead to the a destabilization of 335 00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:39,680 Western Europe without US us being the Soviet Union being 336 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:48,240 initially drawn into the conflict. And again, you know, since 337 00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:55,000 nineteen twenty five, this had been what the Soviet Union 338 00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:58,359 was waiting for according to the Stalin doctrine, as a 339 00:31:58,359 --> 00:32:06,960 catalyst for you know, exporting the revolution too Western Europe, 340 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,240 you know, and Stalin continued saying, quote we can hope 341 00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:15,559 for an advantageous entry into the war, and a typical 342 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,359 Stalin euphemistic language, he said, quote a broad field of activity, 343 00:32:19,559 --> 00:32:23,519 A broad field of activity was now opening for the 344 00:32:23,559 --> 00:32:26,839 development of the world revolution. In other words, for the 345 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:33,920 accomplishments which had never you know, been abandoned, for the 346 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:42,720 sovietization of Europe and communist domination. He concluded this speech 347 00:32:43,359 --> 00:32:48,079 by saying, comrades, in the interest of the Soviet Union, 348 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,839 the homeland of the workers, get busy in work, so 349 00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:56,480 warm me break out between the Reich and the capitalistic 350 00:32:56,599 --> 00:33:06,680 Anglo French bloc. This was the first stage of the 351 00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:08,759 plan for Bolshevik domination. 352 00:33:10,559 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 3: And you know. 353 00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 2: It then the non aggression packed of course, was finalized 354 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:33,039 four days subsequent, and it becomes clear, you know, I 355 00:33:33,079 --> 00:33:37,839 don't want to take us down another tangent. But it 356 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,799 was really Gearing who pushed really hard for a firm 357 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,519 alliance with the Japanese. I mean, Hitler was already sort 358 00:33:45,559 --> 00:33:47,880 of disposed that way. 359 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 3: Anyway. 360 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 2: Gearing respected the Japanese a lot, and Gearing was something 361 00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:58,039 of a terrible snob, and he thought that Japan was 362 00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:02,359 like a high culture. I mean, we're just but beyond 363 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:13,199 the aesthetical attraction, you know, the understanding was that Japan 364 00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:17,840 was a great power in its own right, and they'd 365 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:23,159 smashed the Imperial Russian Navy in nineteen o five, and 366 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,519 you know, Japan was just you know, the ideal hedge 367 00:34:27,519 --> 00:34:31,039 they have against the Soviet Union the east. So when 368 00:34:31,079 --> 00:34:34,880 the Red Army launched this blitz assault of the Japanese 369 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,519 Army in the Far East and utterly annihilated them, this 370 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:44,760 terrified people. And it also it really meant that, you know, 371 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,559 the Reich had no choice but to sue for temporary 372 00:34:48,599 --> 00:34:52,039 peace with the Soviet Union because then they had no hedge, 373 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:58,239 you know, and it was clear that any moved westward, 374 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:05,519 you know, and uh Hitler was confident that the war, 375 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,760 a war with France, wouldn't be a quagmire, but just 376 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,360 the same, you know, he knew there weren't the forces 377 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:18,920 in being to fight off as Soviet assault through Poland 378 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:27,199 as the Reich was you know, fighting in France. So 379 00:35:28,119 --> 00:35:32,519 this was a this was very much a conspiratorial master 380 00:35:32,599 --> 00:35:33,599 stroke of Stalin. 381 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm gonna be wrong. 382 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,519 Speaker 2: Stalin wanted to conquer the Far East anyway, but that 383 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:44,519 timing was ideal, you know. And uh, there was the 384 00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:51,119 forces in being arrayed such that it was a sort 385 00:35:51,159 --> 00:35:54,480 of a perfect opportunity not just to humiliate the Japanese 386 00:35:54,480 --> 00:36:00,800 Imperial Army, but to telegraph a mess into the world 387 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:10,079 about Soviet military might, you know. And it was highly 388 00:36:10,119 --> 00:36:14,280 effective in that regard. Now, the speech that Stalin made 389 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,280 where he outlined his plan for the conquest of Europe 390 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,519 in the midst of you know, a Western European civil war. 391 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:35,559 The French national news agency HAVAS, they obtained a copy 392 00:36:35,639 --> 00:36:40,440 of this by way of Geneva, presumably from you know, 393 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,480 their own spies are from a friendly intelligence service, and 394 00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:53,679 it was published in early nineteen thirty nine throughout France and. 395 00:36:55,559 --> 00:36:56,039 Speaker 3: Moscow. 396 00:36:56,159 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 2: Claimed it was fake and it was a forgery, and 397 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:05,320 right up to the present day, incredibly you'll find these 398 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:12,079 dummy court historians and they're apologists claiming that this this 399 00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:20,039 this was somehow a forgery by the French Havas agency 400 00:37:20,679 --> 00:37:27,039 and French intelligence by by by anti communists. I mean, 401 00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:36,400 it's ridiculous. In the official party paper UH Pravda November thirty, 402 00:37:36,519 --> 00:37:40,719 ninety thirty nine, Stalin himself finally came out and officially 403 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:47,519 denied UH that the speech was uh was made and 404 00:37:47,519 --> 00:37:50,480 and and reiterated this preposterous claim that it was some 405 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:59,119 forgery by ant Bye, by fascists. You know, this was demonstrated, UH. 406 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:01,159 Speaker 3: It was. 407 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 2: Confirmed to have been a real speech by Stalin's official biographer, 408 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,239 who died only around nineteen ninety five. Even in nineteen 409 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,119 ninety three he gave an interview where he confirmed for 410 00:38:18,199 --> 00:38:19,199 all time that. 411 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,159 Speaker 3: This speech happened. 412 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 2: The language of it was in fact transcribed perfectly in 413 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:41,679 the you know, a document that was rendered by French 414 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,039 of us, and that should have settled it for all time. 415 00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:55,519 But like I said, regime historians will simply argue by 416 00:38:55,599 --> 00:38:58,320 assertion and repeat lies over and over and over and 417 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,519 over again, and they'll simply then the evidence in rebuttal. 418 00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:07,519 But that's UH. This is important because it became a 419 00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:11,719 major This is there was a major stumbling block for 420 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,760 the New Dealers obviously as well as UH the War 421 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,360 Party in the UK. You know, it was beyond an 422 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:29,119 embarrassment that it stood the represent a real crisis with 423 00:39:29,199 --> 00:39:37,280 regards to their mandate. But uh, it goes to show 424 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:41,280 you what kind of bully pulpit had been devised and 425 00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:47,920 erected in uh, you know, the US and the UK. 426 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,920 I mean, part of it was because it was the 427 00:39:51,679 --> 00:39:54,159 it was it was a French news release. But even 428 00:39:54,239 --> 00:40:00,119 so it the ability to lock out and describe that 429 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,960 conflicting information and facts that had a tended to impeach 430 00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:11,960 official narratives is pretty remarkable. And in the case of 431 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,920 the in the case of the focus in the UK 432 00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:16,599 and the New Deal in America. 433 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:23,159 Speaker 3: But you know, uh, and. 434 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,559 Speaker 2: Super Off, to his credit, took up the issue of 435 00:40:26,559 --> 00:40:28,199 the August nineteenth speech, but. 436 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,760 Speaker 3: It was uh. Vokoganov. 437 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:44,519 Speaker 2: Volkoganov was the biographer in question who attested at the 438 00:40:44,559 --> 00:40:49,559 end of his life to the. 439 00:40:47,559 --> 00:40:55,159 Speaker 3: Voracity of the speech. But you know, the. 440 00:40:58,639 --> 00:41:03,239 Speaker 2: It was on January the sixteenth, nineteen ninety three. And 441 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:12,480 again this was that period of approximately summer fall nineteen 442 00:41:12,559 --> 00:41:18,559 ninety one until probably very early nineteen ninety six where 443 00:41:18,599 --> 00:41:27,679 there was open access to Stalin era archives and data 444 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:29,519 in the Soviet Union. 445 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:31,880 Speaker 1: Can we address something right there? 446 00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:33,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, go ahead, Yeah. 447 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,800 Speaker 1: A lot of people will say that, like the Goebels 448 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,639 draw diaries or forgeries. So you know, why is it 449 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,880 all of this forgeries as well? 450 00:41:44,039 --> 00:41:48,320 Speaker 2: Because it's a non argument. It's like saying who forged 451 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,639 the Gerbel diaries? So what the Soviets did was they 452 00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:56,480 went to Berlin, they forged a bunch of documents. They 453 00:41:56,519 --> 00:41:59,239 put it in a Berlin bank vault, they pretended to 454 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,360 discover it. They took it back to the Soviet Union, 455 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:10,039 the NKVD, later the KGB. They continued to pretend that 456 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:16,000 Gerbels had written dreams of diary material for fifty years. 457 00:42:16,159 --> 00:42:19,679 They lied about this for no reason. Then David Irving 458 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,239 also lied about this, that he could capture clouts. Like what, 459 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:29,039 there's there's this kind of stock in trade of simpletons 460 00:42:29,159 --> 00:42:33,119 and idiots to just go around saying things are fake. 461 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:41,320 You know, Hitler's second book is fake. General Patten's personal 462 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:47,360 diaries are fake, Gerbel's diaries are fake. Everything is fake, Okay, 463 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:53,280 I mean, I it's like me saying Donald Trump is 464 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,800 actually of Jewish parentage. I can't prove that. There's no 465 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,239 evidence to that, there's no reason to believe that, but 466 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,320 I'm just gonna keep saying that over and over again. 467 00:43:02,599 --> 00:43:07,000 See Donald Donald Trump is Jewish. Oh you don't think so. Yeah, 468 00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:09,239 well you don't know anything. He's Jewish, I say so. 469 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:14,119 I mean I I can do that too. Okay, you know, 470 00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:17,159 the onus is on the declarant. 471 00:43:19,159 --> 00:43:19,360 Speaker 3: You know. 472 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:24,400 Speaker 2: And again I what so the Soviets are in the 473 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:29,360 business of just pretending that Gorbals wrote these diaries. I 474 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:34,599 you know, I don't accept that because it's stupid. But 475 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,800 Loo Kalganov, he was Stalin's official biographer. 476 00:43:44,679 --> 00:43:45,840 Speaker 3: He confirmed in. 477 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:56,000 Speaker 2: Is Vestia, which was an organ of uh that constellation 478 00:43:56,119 --> 00:44:01,159 of NGOs as I indicated a moment ago dedicated to 479 00:44:01,679 --> 00:44:04,960 you know, kind of truth and reconciliation about the Stalin era. 480 00:44:07,679 --> 00:44:17,519 He went public in Russian and European media, and he 481 00:44:17,679 --> 00:44:24,039 was adamant that the minutes of the August nineteen, nineteen 482 00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:29,000 thirty nine speech that have been published in France were legitimate. 483 00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:31,719 Speaker 3: That speech happened, you know. 484 00:44:32,519 --> 00:44:38,079 Speaker 2: And again I'm sure, I'm sure these same defectors are 485 00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:41,039 gonna claim, well that's fake. Okay, fine, everything is fake. 486 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,679 I'm an adult and I'm a white person. 487 00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,360 Speaker 3: I'm not. I'm not. 488 00:44:48,119 --> 00:44:51,239 Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not a white in worder like developmently disabled. 489 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:59,320 So I don't entertain that kind of stuff. But you know, 490 00:44:59,639 --> 00:45:06,679 the and there's a historian, this lady historian, Russian historian 491 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:17,239 ts Busueva. She undertook this broad scholarly evaluation of Suvarov's books, 492 00:45:18,679 --> 00:45:22,440 not just Icebreaker, kind of his entire body of work. 493 00:45:24,559 --> 00:45:30,960 And her account of his work product was mixed. She 494 00:45:31,079 --> 00:45:35,039 was somewhat critical in acumtive way. She praised other stuff. 495 00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:44,360 But she was adamant that the August nineteenth, ninety thirty 496 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:53,840 nine speech was legitimate, and she claimed that copies of 497 00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:59,679 the speech were known to exist in the special archives 498 00:46:00,199 --> 00:46:05,639 of the Central Committee and the USSR, and she made 499 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:10,559 excerpts of it available to the public in December nineteen 500 00:46:10,599 --> 00:46:20,920 ninety four, and there was this big deal. The publication 501 00:46:21,159 --> 00:46:27,800 was a big deal, and it was unveiled at this 502 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:34,199 conference of the quote Memorial Society. That's the need, that's 503 00:46:34,199 --> 00:46:37,280 the umbrella name of that constellation of NGOs I was 504 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:42,679 talking about. And this is on August sixteenth, nineteen ninety five. 505 00:46:44,159 --> 00:46:49,079 That was this kind of grand unveiling, you know, but 506 00:46:49,199 --> 00:46:54,519 they they and this might seem silly to make such 507 00:46:54,519 --> 00:46:58,960 a big deal about the release of historical documents, but 508 00:46:59,039 --> 00:47:01,000 if you know about the soul be its system. I 509 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,079 mean that it's it was this is a special case, 510 00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:08,400 you know, it's it wasn't an ordinary political system. And 511 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,840 this this document changed everything, or it should have in 512 00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:22,039 the public mind, you know, because it's essentially uh a 513 00:47:22,159 --> 00:47:24,599 standing rebuttal to. 514 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:35,199 Speaker 3: The entire court narrative of the war and its origins. 515 00:47:38,119 --> 00:47:39,239 You know. So there's that too. 516 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,960 Speaker 2: So I mean again, I where where where's where's the 517 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,039 evidence that all this is being faked? Like I guarantee 518 00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:49,360 you the Russian government wasn't happy about this, you know, 519 00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:53,280 I mean I and that they still aren't any anybody 520 00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:57,800 who is fluent into Russian and I they're they're welcome 521 00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:02,960 to proper evidence that this is all legered me in 522 00:48:03,079 --> 00:48:12,000 and it's fake. But obviously that won't be forthcoming, you know. 523 00:48:12,079 --> 00:48:16,360 And Thou's getting to the kind of meat of the 524 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:23,800 honest of hostilities, you know again, suber Ov's the core 525 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:24,639 of his theory. 526 00:48:27,079 --> 00:48:27,280 Speaker 3: You know. 527 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:32,519 Speaker 2: Again, it's it's not just a matter of a discreete 528 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:39,920 revisionist analysis of Operation Barbarossa and which party combatant or 529 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:49,440 combatants were you know, the aggressor. It's far more of 530 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:57,679 a broad spectrum analysis and that and Jack and Hoffman 531 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,480 agreed with this perspective, and I agree with it. 532 00:49:01,519 --> 00:49:02,119 Speaker 3: Two. 533 00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:07,159 Speaker 2: Not only was Stalin the progenitor of World War two, 534 00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:12,280 but World War two began on August nineteenth, nineteen thirty nine, 535 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,639 because that's the date when Stalin ordered the assault on 536 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:29,320 Calcan Goal. Japanese sixth Army was deployed there. Stalin ordered 537 00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:40,599 a massive assault. The Japanese were soundly defeated and routed. 538 00:49:41,679 --> 00:49:49,679 Marshal Zukoff stated on August twenty third, nineteen thirty nine, 539 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,320 you know, in a reference to the Chalcan Goal assault 540 00:49:53,519 --> 00:49:56,400 as well as the non Aggression Pact with the Reich 541 00:49:57,199 --> 00:50:04,639 which had just been you know, signed Zukoff. 542 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:06,679 Speaker 3: Said. 543 00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:10,639 Speaker 2: Quote Stalin was convinced that the non aggression pack would 544 00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:16,400 enable him to rap Hitler around his little finger. Quote 545 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,119 we have tricked Hitler for the moment end quote with 546 00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:29,920 Stalin's opinion. According to Nikita Krushchiev, Suvarov's take, which should 547 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:35,559 be obvious to those familiar with the historical record, the 548 00:50:35,639 --> 00:50:41,239 non Aggression packed on the heels of Japan being crushed 549 00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:47,679 on land in the Far East. Hitler believed then that 550 00:50:48,679 --> 00:50:54,039 he had to attack Poland to protect the frontier of 551 00:50:54,039 --> 00:51:00,960 the German Reich. He would not have acted without a 552 00:51:01,039 --> 00:51:04,840 guarantee of non aggression because Germany wasn't in a position 553 00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,519 to go to war with the Soviet Union at that moment. 554 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,960 People were terrified of the Soviet Union after it had 555 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,119 just crushed the mighty Japanese Army. So again, I mean, 556 00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:20,280 this is laughable, this idea that this idea that Stalin, 557 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:25,079 who had who had just crushed the Japanese Army, who 558 00:51:25,159 --> 00:51:33,239 was sitting on the throne of a Burgining superpower that 559 00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:37,119 concluded one six of this planet. The idea that Stalin 560 00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:41,320 was terrified of Hitler and comparatively tiny Germany, that's preposterous. 561 00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:42,639 Speaker 3: You know. 562 00:51:47,199 --> 00:51:55,639 Speaker 2: Molotov, you know, obviously was you know, chief diplomat. His 563 00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:59,239 official title was Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars. 564 00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:06,400 Molotov spoke for the Supreme Soviet on October thirty first, 565 00:52:06,519 --> 00:52:12,519 nineteen thirty nine. He said, quote, a single blow against Poland, 566 00:52:12,639 --> 00:52:15,159 first by the Germans and then by the Red Army, 567 00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:18,880 and nothing, nothing will remain of this misbegotten little child 568 00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,639 of the Versailles Treaty, which owed its existence the repression 569 00:52:22,679 --> 00:52:24,400 of non Polish nationalities. 570 00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:25,719 Speaker 3: You know. So again to. 571 00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:31,679 Speaker 2: The Soviet nomenclature and especially Stalin, they wanted to they 572 00:52:31,679 --> 00:52:34,599 wanted to crush Poland, you know, among other things the 573 00:52:34,679 --> 00:52:37,800 polls were at the Polish Munta was ethnically cleansing Russians, 574 00:52:38,199 --> 00:52:41,760 you know, the Russians hated the Poles, you know. Interestingly, 575 00:52:43,199 --> 00:52:48,400 you know again this this this supposedly sacro stamic Polish democracy, 576 00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:53,079 It didn't bother the UK when when when the Soviets 577 00:52:53,079 --> 00:52:56,519 assaulted That's interesting, isn't it. 578 00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:58,039 Speaker 3: But so. 579 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:05,159 Speaker 2: And then of course two within months, the Soviet Union 580 00:53:05,199 --> 00:53:14,159 assaulted Finland, you know, so uh the uh if if 581 00:53:14,199 --> 00:53:15,840 Stalin was this uh. 582 00:53:17,199 --> 00:53:19,039 Speaker 3: Isolationist. Oh. 583 00:53:19,039 --> 00:53:24,039 Speaker 2: And of course meanwhile too, uh, you know, they the 584 00:53:24,119 --> 00:53:29,320 Soviet Union was funding, equipping, arming, and facilitating the Communist 585 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:36,039 revolution in Spain, which obviously had profound, you, strategic significance. 586 00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:40,679 You know, in the same period the Soviets had assaulted 587 00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:46,760 and conquered Poland, you know, Uh, They'd assaulted Finland and 588 00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:53,480 conquered uh archangel you know, and through the UH, the 589 00:53:53,639 --> 00:53:58,159 the waging of these aggressive wars against Poland and Finland, 590 00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:09,280 and then essentially the extortionate annexation of the Baltic you know, 591 00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:14,440 and threatening to assault Romania, which all of which gained 592 00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:19,199 territorial concessions out of shopping fire. Because again, every the 593 00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:23,760 Soviet Union's neighbors were incapable of standing up to its might, 594 00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:27,199 you know. 595 00:54:28,159 --> 00:54:31,960 Speaker 3: So by this time, by. 596 00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:40,880 Speaker 2: The eve of Barbarossa, the Soviet Union had expanded its 597 00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:45,440 territory by four hundred and twenty six thousand square kilometers. 598 00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,440 That was equivalent to the service of the entire German 599 00:54:49,519 --> 00:54:53,320 Reich in nineteen nineteen. And in so doing, as the 600 00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:57,159 Alkahafman points out, Stalin had ripped away and you know, 601 00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:09,280 buffer states on Germany's frontier. So I mean Europe was defenseless, 602 00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,679 you know, in the East. 603 00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:14,559 Speaker 3: You know, and. 604 00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:23,599 Speaker 2: Obviously the time was nigh for a for an assault 605 00:55:23,639 --> 00:55:30,480 on Europe and where Germany was as of nineteen forty. 606 00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:38,880 Despite Germany's initial military successes, you know, there wasn't anything 607 00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:43,119 Germany had done that Moscow considered particularly impressive or critical, 608 00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:49,559 you know, that would have changed or altered Stalin's ambition. 609 00:55:49,679 --> 00:55:54,760 It's quite the contrary. There was no longer a chance 610 00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,840 a decisive victory against the UK because you know, Sea 611 00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:04,800 Lion was a strategic ruse, the purpose of which was 612 00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,920 to deceive Stalin, by the way, not that not Churchill, 613 00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,119 which I mean, that's that's interesting in its. 614 00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:13,239 Speaker 3: Own right, but the uh, you know. 615 00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:18,760 Speaker 2: And as Stalin, who was already by that time had 616 00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,079 hundreds of spies in the roseveltminstrations, and he knew exactly 617 00:56:22,119 --> 00:56:24,400 what America was thinking, and he knew that the United 618 00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,880 States was going to stand behind the UK. German forces 619 00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:34,599 were scattered piece meal all over Europe. The German army 620 00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:41,639 was still dependent on, you know, on horse drawn transportation. 621 00:56:45,199 --> 00:56:46,320 Germany wasn't even. 622 00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:46,880 Speaker 3: Close to. 623 00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:53,480 Speaker 2: Being able to realize a full mobilization on the order 624 00:56:53,559 --> 00:56:58,280 of you know, nineteen fourteen, nineteen fifteen, even if there'd 625 00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:02,360 been the political will to do so. You know, the 626 00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:06,239 minute Germany was cut off from Romania, they their army 627 00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,519 would stop in its tracks because that was, you know, 628 00:57:08,599 --> 00:57:12,440 their only source of vital petroleum. I mean, what would 629 00:57:12,599 --> 00:57:20,280 would even a layman, looking at all relevant criteria and 630 00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:25,920 variables as of you know, nineteen forty nineteen forty one, 631 00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:33,280 sees Germany and his position a catastrophic vulnerability. So I 632 00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,559 mean the idea that the idea that you know, again, 633 00:57:36,639 --> 00:57:40,920 the idea that Stalin was afraid of Germany and afraid 634 00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:45,840 of its armed forces. I mean, that's that's preposterous, beyond belief, 635 00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:56,280 you know, and just for just for comparative purposes. Between 636 00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:02,239 November nineteen forty in the day Barbarossa June twenty second, 637 00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:07,199 nineteen forty one, there'd been a massive arms build up 638 00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:13,920 underway since nineteen twenty five, but this year and a 639 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:20,800 half or this half the year, I mean, between you know, 640 00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:24,440 the winner in nineteen forty and summer forty one, this 641 00:58:24,679 --> 00:58:28,519 was an unprecedented military build up in terms of scale, 642 00:58:28,719 --> 00:58:33,719 scope and rapidity. On June twenty second, nineteen forty one, 643 00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:40,239 the Soviet Army possessed twenty four thousand tanks, almost two 644 00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:44,400 thousand of which were T thirty four's, which were technically 645 00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:48,559 classed as a medium tank, but they were probably the 646 00:58:48,719 --> 00:59:01,400 best overall tank of the entire war. They The Air 647 00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:06,239 force of the Red Army since nineteen thirty eight had 648 00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:10,679 acquired twenty three thousand, two hundred and forty five military aircraft, 649 00:59:12,079 --> 00:59:18,039 including three thousand, seven hundred that were of the most 650 00:59:18,159 --> 00:59:21,840 recent design. The Red Army had one hundred and forty 651 00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:26,239 eight thousand artillery pieces and mortars the inventory of the 652 00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:31,239 Royal Navy. In addition to its surface fleet, it had 653 00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:36,320 two hundred and ninety one submarines, which were an exclusively 654 00:59:36,519 --> 00:59:43,760 offensive platform. This meant that the Soviet Union had more 655 00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:49,639 submarines than any other country on this planet. They had 656 00:59:49,719 --> 00:59:53,000 more than four times the number of submarines that the 657 00:59:53,119 --> 00:59:58,679 Royal Navy did, which was the world's leading maritime state. 658 00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:05,119 I mean, this is early insane, you know, and it's 659 01:00:05,199 --> 01:00:15,679 unprecedented like that, nothing approaching this sort of uh scope 660 01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:30,599 scale and character of mobilization had ever been contemplated, let 661 01:00:30,639 --> 01:00:38,679 alone implemented. So you know, again Germany, which is over committed, overstretched, outnumbered, 662 01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:46,800 engaged in a quagmire, not mobilized for war. Like the 663 01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:52,320 idea that the Soviet Union, which again had just succeeded 664 01:00:52,360 --> 01:01:01,000 in stripping away Germany's buffer states in the East, and 665 01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:08,840 that successfully conquered Poland, and you know, the territory had 666 01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:14,480 covetated in the Arctic after you know, an unprovoked assault 667 01:01:14,559 --> 01:01:18,679 on Finland. This idea that the Soviet Union was afraid 668 01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,440 of Hitler, I mean, like it's it's so stupid, it 669 01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:26,920 almost doesn't warn't rebuttal because it you know, it's it's 670 01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:28,880 it's an exclusively bad faith. 671 01:01:30,159 --> 01:01:35,280 Speaker 3: Argument. But what a time ago. 672 01:01:36,519 --> 01:01:38,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna wrap up there because I was about 673 01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:42,679 to get into the some of the testim when you 674 01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:48,920 send the commis ours about the ideological culture of the 675 01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:53,119 Red Army itself. But yeah, I hope this was instructive 676 01:01:53,159 --> 01:01:53,559 to people. 677 01:01:54,639 --> 01:01:57,360 Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah, I can't wait for part two. One thing 678 01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:00,400 that I would say is I think one of the 679 01:02:00,519 --> 01:02:04,800 reasons that the narrative on Spain had to be controlled 680 01:02:05,079 --> 01:02:10,679 after the war is because if the Republicans would have won, 681 01:02:12,599 --> 01:02:17,559 Spain belonged to the Soviet Union, and you know, you 682 01:02:17,599 --> 01:02:19,840 could you can make the argument Germany should have never 683 01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:24,519 left after victory, but the Soviet Union, in no way, 684 01:02:24,679 --> 01:02:27,079 shape or form, would have left. That would have been 685 01:02:27,119 --> 01:02:29,480 a Soviet satellite state, and they would have had Gibraltar. 686 01:02:30,719 --> 01:02:33,119 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, it's just like the It's just like 687 01:02:33,239 --> 01:02:38,239 when the ideological descendants of these of the traders who 688 01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:41,280 fought for the Communists in Spain, it's like when they 689 01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:44,519 support Islamic it's like when they support al Qaeda and Syria, 690 01:02:44,559 --> 01:02:46,639 they're like, Oh, that's not al Kaido, that's these other 691 01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:50,159 guys who don't actually exist. There were democrats. It's like 692 01:02:50,239 --> 01:02:53,239 this level of it's like this infantile level of delusion. 693 01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,360 I don't even think they actually believe that there's insulting 694 01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,400 the intelligence of everybody else, like you know, the oh 695 01:02:59,639 --> 01:03:02,079 those were at the communists. There was these imaginary other 696 01:03:02,239 --> 01:03:06,199 guys in Spain who like, what are you talking about? 697 01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:15,719 There was this there was this unusual coalition of syndicolas, fascists, Filangis, Carlos, Uh, 698 01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:20,079 you know, reactionary monarchist types. I'm kind of secular nationalists, 699 01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:25,960 you know that wash who are you know, referred to 700 01:03:26,039 --> 01:03:28,480 with the nationalist side. I mean in anchor as that 701 01:03:28,599 --> 01:03:30,960 may be. This is kind of the umbrella term that's favored. 702 01:03:31,679 --> 01:03:34,639 And uh, there was the common Turn and and and 703 01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:38,599 the Soviet Union and and their proxies. Like there wasn't 704 01:03:38,639 --> 01:03:44,000 this other element there that were uh, like gay feminist 705 01:03:44,119 --> 01:03:47,920 liberals or like Ernest Hemingway's buddies who just love freedom 706 01:03:48,079 --> 01:03:52,880 or whatever whatever delusion normies have. You know, it was 707 01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,760 a bunch of it was a bunch of communists like 708 01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:59,559 Eric Milke who were busy shooting priests and nuns in 709 01:03:59,599 --> 01:04:04,079 the face and torturing fascist to death. Then, you know, 710 01:04:07,039 --> 01:04:12,960 preparing to categorically exterminate anybody who wasn't editable, just like 711 01:04:13,039 --> 01:04:17,559 they'd done in the Soviet Union, and just like Bellacoon's 712 01:04:17,679 --> 01:04:21,599 uh brief tyranny did in Hungary, and and just like 713 01:04:21,679 --> 01:04:26,079 the Communists did everywhere that you know, they were victorious 714 01:04:26,119 --> 01:04:26,519 in theater. 715 01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:34,039 Speaker 1: All right, I'll do your plugs for you. Go to 716 01:04:34,119 --> 01:04:38,480 Thomas's substack. That's real Thomas seven seven seven dot com 717 01:04:39,559 --> 01:04:43,519 dot substack dot com. Go to his website that's Thomas 718 01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:47,320 uh Thomas seven seven seven dot com. But the T 719 01:04:47,599 --> 01:04:49,760 is a seven, right, the first T is a seven. 720 01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:53,639 And yeah, you can you can find him sometimes on 721 01:04:54,079 --> 01:04:57,000 x h under under his government name. 722 01:04:59,199 --> 01:05:01,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, can link all that stuff from my you can 723 01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:03,920 read all those links are on my website. 724 01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:07,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, and I'll have the links in the in 725 01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:08,440 the show notes as well. 726 01:05:08,559 --> 01:05:10,119 Speaker 3: So thank you. 727 01:05:10,639 --> 01:05:13,639 Speaker 1: Until part two. I really appreciate you doing this. This 728 01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:15,320 is I think this is important. 729 01:05:16,039 --> 01:05:17,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, likewise, thanks for hosting me. 730 01:05:18,639 --> 01:05:21,679 Speaker 1: Thank you. 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