WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:03.439 Hello, I am excited to have you on my couch. 2 00:00:03.600 --> 00:00:07.200 We've known each other for many, many years. 3 00:00:07.280 --> 00:00:11.320 I feel like our careers are very parallel from each other. 4 00:00:11.679 --> 00:00:14.039 I feel like it's funny. I was talking to my girlfriends. 5 00:00:14.080 --> 00:00:15.960 I was like, I'm having Phoenix. Marianna like, oh, it's 6 00:00:15.960 --> 00:00:17.760 gonna be great. I was like, the funny thing is 7 00:00:17.760 --> 00:00:21.079 is I've never had a one on one conversation. It's 8 00:00:21.079 --> 00:00:25.000 always been a group situation. It's gotten you know, we've 9 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:27.800 done convention type things together, all those things where it's 10 00:00:27.839 --> 00:00:30.199 like in a work environment, you don't really get to 11 00:00:30.359 --> 00:00:32.399 know the person. So as much as we've known each 12 00:00:32.399 --> 00:00:35.479 other for fifteen sixteen plus years, it's like, I don't 13 00:00:35.520 --> 00:00:37.799 really know you. And then I also think at one 14 00:00:37.840 --> 00:00:40.079 time of our careers, people try to pit each other 15 00:00:40.240 --> 00:00:42.200 us against each other, and I was. 16 00:00:42.200 --> 00:00:45.000 Like, I don't even know her to not like her. 17 00:00:45.200 --> 00:00:47.640 So it's like and it's also those things where two 18 00:00:47.679 --> 00:00:51.079 alpha females that I feel like, maybe you were a 19 00:00:51.119 --> 00:00:53.240 little bit intimidated to speak to me in a certain way, 20 00:00:53.280 --> 00:00:55.240 and I was just not really I was in my 21 00:00:55.280 --> 00:00:58.000 own thing and didn't really care about what anybody thinks 22 00:00:58.479 --> 00:01:01.520 that I was just like we did What's the bang 23 00:01:01.600 --> 00:01:06.159 bro One hold on was because I thought we only 24 00:01:06.200 --> 00:01:07.599 did because I was trying to think, we know what 25 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:09.159 I was doing this stuff was that we did the 26 00:01:09.200 --> 00:01:11.879 Taboo photo shoot together, but it was only a photo 27 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:14.799 shoot and it was really cool, but I don't remember 28 00:01:14.959 --> 00:01:16.159 working Let's. 29 00:01:16.120 --> 00:01:19.599 Okay, tell me where is this the pittance situation? 30 00:01:21.120 --> 00:01:26.159 Okay, I'm like, but so you and I were in 31 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:29.480 a scene and it was for Bean Bros. And we 32 00:01:29.599 --> 00:01:33.079 had Champ who went to the other side right after 33 00:01:33.239 --> 00:01:36.359 your scene because you we we did side by side 34 00:01:36.400 --> 00:01:38.280 and that was also like I think, was. 35 00:01:38.239 --> 00:01:39.480 It before I did Girl Girl? 36 00:01:40.120 --> 00:01:41.959 Right before you and I. 37 00:01:41.879 --> 00:01:42.719 Always talk about too. 38 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:45.000 I was like, because my first Girl Girl, which I 39 00:01:45.040 --> 00:01:47.239 did a lot of side by side, was Brionna Love. 40 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:52.359 So that was like, yeah, say so. 41 00:01:52.280 --> 00:01:53.480 It was one of those things that I was like, 42 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:55.640 I didn't remember, but that would make sense where it's 43 00:01:55.640 --> 00:01:57.040 like we didn't actually work together. 44 00:01:57.599 --> 00:02:00.159 But then, not to cut the story off. 45 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:02.159 But when you say that name, I remember, and I 46 00:02:02.200 --> 00:02:04.760 know exactly when at that time. I was like, someone 47 00:02:04.799 --> 00:02:08.000 said something about him and he was like a convicted murderer. Yeah, 48 00:02:09.199 --> 00:02:11.000 and I was like, wait a minute, hold on, he 49 00:02:11.159 --> 00:02:12.960 was he's I don't know at the time if he 50 00:02:13.039 --> 00:02:14.520 had the case already, but I was like. 51 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:17.919 Where are the lines drawn? Were we like, I wouldn't 52 00:02:17.919 --> 00:02:18.439 have never known. 53 00:02:18.439 --> 00:02:20.719 I wasn't from Florida I was, And so how do 54 00:02:20.759 --> 00:02:22.719 you know that someone fucking because he did something to 55 00:02:22.840 --> 00:02:26.080 like a girlfriend or something like. But like and I 56 00:02:26.159 --> 00:02:29.360 was like, so we're just fucking murderers now, yeah, okay, 57 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:30.879 continue about the noise. 58 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:33.080 So it was two separate scenes, and so he went 59 00:02:33.120 --> 00:02:33.520 over there. 60 00:02:34.039 --> 00:02:38.479 We kind of like, and remember, like you said, we've 61 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:42.439 known each other. We have mutual respect because we're both 62 00:02:42.479 --> 00:02:45.560 asked girls with white girls, big asses, bam. Okay, we're 63 00:02:45.560 --> 00:02:47.520 in the same genre. So if you got them natural 64 00:02:47.520 --> 00:02:49.280 beautiful tits, I got the fake ones. 65 00:02:50.599 --> 00:02:51.159 It's all great. 66 00:02:51.360 --> 00:02:56.199 But we walked down Collins Avenue together and blocked traffic 67 00:02:56.280 --> 00:02:57.240 and made them go around. 68 00:02:57.479 --> 00:03:00.800 Oh I do remember the bang rousing the thing because 69 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:03.520 I remember us. I have I have a pictures because 70 00:03:03.520 --> 00:03:06.000 they made us do like workout type things on South 71 00:03:06.039 --> 00:03:08.039 Beach whatever where we took asking. But we were going 72 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:12.159 through the cars being like whatever kind of thing. Okay, 73 00:03:12.159 --> 00:03:13.159 But we didn't fuck each other. 74 00:03:13.319 --> 00:03:15.960 We did not, okay, and that never us. It was 75 00:03:16.280 --> 00:03:18.039 you were champ and I was with Tony. 76 00:03:18.240 --> 00:03:20.719 I was with the killer and Shoes I was with 77 00:03:21.240 --> 00:03:22.520 I mean, well. 78 00:03:22.360 --> 00:03:24.360 I'm not going to spill any tea, but Tony and 79 00:03:24.400 --> 00:03:26.439 Meghan Rain didn't end well, so there you go. 80 00:03:26.639 --> 00:03:32.800 Oh well, okay, so he didn't get convicted, but god, okay, okay. 81 00:03:32.960 --> 00:03:33.199 Yeah. 82 00:03:33.319 --> 00:03:35.159 See that's the crazy part of being in the industry 83 00:03:35.199 --> 00:03:39.240 for so long. It's because you realize certain like let's see, 84 00:03:39.280 --> 00:03:42.319 you realize things about people whatever, and everybody nobody's perfect, 85 00:03:42.360 --> 00:03:45.400 you know other things. And it's also there's no resume 86 00:03:45.639 --> 00:03:48.960 for porn. We don't know, like again, like there are 87 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:51.400 certain people even now, like being out of the industry 88 00:03:51.439 --> 00:03:54.000 for five plus year, like it's been I say five, 89 00:03:54.039 --> 00:03:55.639 I don't know how long that runs kind of. 90 00:03:55.639 --> 00:03:57.000 Thing, but you know kind of thing. 91 00:03:57.080 --> 00:03:59.680 So it's like when you hear stories now you're like, man, 92 00:03:59.759 --> 00:04:02.000 like I didn't think that, but you didn't realize because 93 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:04.599 you weren't in those scenarios. And also too, I always 94 00:04:04.639 --> 00:04:06.560 made it to the point where it's like if I 95 00:04:06.599 --> 00:04:08.960 had a bad experience with someone, it doesn't mean you will. 96 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:10.879 So for me, it's like I've always been open as 97 00:04:10.960 --> 00:04:13.080 like I say, what happens, but that doesn't mean that 98 00:04:13.159 --> 00:04:15.240 could happen to you. So it's never someone who tried 99 00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:17.319 to be like, don't work with him or don't do 100 00:04:17.480 --> 00:04:19.920 or don't work with her, because it's like my experience 101 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:22.560 could be just my energy and his energy doesn't work 102 00:04:22.680 --> 00:04:23.959 or but I always gave. 103 00:04:23.839 --> 00:04:25.639 Everyone benefit of the chance. 104 00:04:26.480 --> 00:04:28.839 With me and you, I felt like the reasons why 105 00:04:28.920 --> 00:04:31.399 we never really worked together or anything is because you 106 00:04:31.439 --> 00:04:33.480 were more of a hardcore performer when it came to 107 00:04:33.600 --> 00:04:36.639 doing like the a lot of anal and like a 108 00:04:36.639 --> 00:04:38.279 lot of group scenes or whatever. 109 00:04:38.560 --> 00:04:41.240 Was like, that wasn't my lane. 110 00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:43.279 So it's like I was big ass and I did 111 00:04:43.399 --> 00:04:45.759 my thing, but I was like, appreciate that before my 112 00:04:45.920 --> 00:04:47.959 thing was is like what it was funny about the 113 00:04:47.959 --> 00:04:50.240 indusue was you, and I think Kelly Devine was like 114 00:04:50.279 --> 00:04:51.920 the girls were like, well, you know, they don't like you, 115 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:52.920 and I'm like, but they don't know me. 116 00:04:52.959 --> 00:04:54.920 And I'm like, and who said that? You said that? 117 00:04:55.360 --> 00:04:57.720 I'm like case and but that's the thing, is like 118 00:04:57.759 --> 00:04:58.600 it's the pitted part. 119 00:04:58.600 --> 00:05:00.879 But when you evolve in the big since you're like, okay, 120 00:05:00.920 --> 00:05:03.519 but who said that? She's never said anything to me 121 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:05.199 You're one of those people who are really in your 122 00:05:05.199 --> 00:05:07.360 face a lot of people. And that's why why I 123 00:05:07.399 --> 00:05:10.360 say the comments of maybe you were afraid to talk 124 00:05:10.360 --> 00:05:12.240 to me because we're both alpha and the sense of 125 00:05:12.319 --> 00:05:14.120 you didn't know where I was coming from. But a 126 00:05:14.120 --> 00:05:16.839 lot of people are like, oh, I'm afraid of Phoenix 127 00:05:16.879 --> 00:05:19.560 Maria or I'm intimated her in a good way because 128 00:05:19.600 --> 00:05:22.600 you were such like even Savannah before she was like 129 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:24.959 she was you know, she inspired me to do poor 130 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:26.959 and all these things like that, she was like, Oh, 131 00:05:26.600 --> 00:05:28.399 she's a big one. But when they say that, it's 132 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:30.199 mainly because your personality, you know what I mean? 133 00:05:30.360 --> 00:05:33.399 And I get that, like, oh what did they do 134 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:33.639 to you? 135 00:05:33.759 --> 00:05:34.439 Did I hurt you? 136 00:05:34.480 --> 00:05:34.560 Like? 137 00:05:34.759 --> 00:05:36.759 But see, but that's what I loved about you from 138 00:05:36.839 --> 00:05:40.040 Afar maybe again. I feel like the last two to 139 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:41.480 three years of my life, I've done a lot of 140 00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:43.680 personal work where I feel like I know I did 141 00:05:43.720 --> 00:05:46.079 have an ego at one point, and not an ego 142 00:05:46.120 --> 00:05:47.920 where I was too big to be something, but an 143 00:05:47.920 --> 00:05:50.759 ego to not speak to people, to just figure out, 144 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:53.360 not figure out who you were, but to have those conversations. 145 00:05:53.439 --> 00:05:55.560 And sometimes it's I feel like time and place where 146 00:05:55.639 --> 00:05:57.439 it's like we never really had that time either. 147 00:05:57.600 --> 00:05:59.120 Is why it's like I've always wanted to have you 148 00:05:59.160 --> 00:05:59.839 on the show. 149 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:03.199 Is because I feel like it's we've never been given 150 00:06:03.240 --> 00:06:05.319 that opportunity, which is like I would use You're a 151 00:06:05.319 --> 00:06:07.360 beautiful human being and I see you from Afar, and 152 00:06:07.399 --> 00:06:10.560 I know people who know you that speak very high 153 00:06:10.879 --> 00:06:13.720 about you. So it's like, now's my chance, Like now's 154 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:16.120 the time to like fuck everything else, Like we know 155 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:18.560 what's bullshit and what's not and what's said about you 156 00:06:18.560 --> 00:06:21.360 know whatever. It's like, I want to know the real 157 00:06:21.399 --> 00:06:23.199 Phoenix Marie. I want to know And that's why with 158 00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:26.199 Private Talk, it's about having a private conversation and getting 159 00:06:26.240 --> 00:06:28.519 to know someone on an intimate level and letting our 160 00:06:28.560 --> 00:06:31.480 fans know that we're more than just that big booty bitch, 161 00:06:31.480 --> 00:06:33.720 that fucking dombs all these girls. We're more than those 162 00:06:33.759 --> 00:06:36.120 people that we've been in the business for fifteen plus years. 163 00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:38.720 It's like that shows the elevation of who we are 164 00:06:38.759 --> 00:06:41.319 as women and also the fact of who we are 165 00:06:41.360 --> 00:06:44.199 as performers to be so like still relevant in the 166 00:06:44.199 --> 00:06:46.399 game that it is to now to what that is? 167 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:49.160 So me talking all about it, but this is her show, 168 00:06:49.160 --> 00:06:50.680 but I just had to preface that is like one 169 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:52.639 thing is what I loved about wanting to come have 170 00:06:52.720 --> 00:06:54.480 you here, and I've asked couple of times, is like 171 00:06:54.839 --> 00:06:57.399 I feel like it's just more women in our industry 172 00:06:57.560 --> 00:06:59.519 at the level of what we are need to be 173 00:06:59.560 --> 00:07:03.879 more and more like maybe just a little bit more evasive, 174 00:07:03.959 --> 00:07:06.399 like hey, how are you doing or what's going on? 175 00:07:06.439 --> 00:07:07.759 And I feel like we don't have enough of that, 176 00:07:07.839 --> 00:07:09.639 And so it's why I want my show to be 177 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:12.800 a safe place for people to have that, to people 178 00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:15.279 to see the softer side of who you are and 179 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:17.800 where you're going, because I feel like it's really important 180 00:07:18.199 --> 00:07:21.160 to show that you're human, like you can take as 181 00:07:21.160 --> 00:07:24.560 many dicks or pussy whatever, but you're still feelings girl. 182 00:07:24.759 --> 00:07:28.319 You see, I'm already was gonna cry like shit, but 183 00:07:28.360 --> 00:07:31.399 you're right, like a lot of people will come at me, 184 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:34.680 and you know, I did Savannah's first girl girls tramp 185 00:07:34.800 --> 00:07:37.480 on scene, and it's like, you know, that's a big 186 00:07:37.560 --> 00:07:41.920 responsibility taking on somebody's first, Like you need to know. 187 00:07:42.160 --> 00:07:44.560 Do you hold that heavy on you? Like what? Because 188 00:07:44.600 --> 00:07:46.199 I feel like you may have been a lot of. 189 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:49.240 Girls first when those things because you are also like 190 00:07:49.279 --> 00:07:51.279 maybe not in my situation where I feel like the 191 00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:55.560 endearing part where I could be like, hey, fuck my asshole. 192 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:57.920 But some girls have watched you for a long time. 193 00:07:57.959 --> 00:08:00.879 It's like, do you like kind of have more grace 194 00:08:00.959 --> 00:08:03.639 with them or kind of prepare differently? And how do 195 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:06.319 you prepare differently when you know that you're a girl's first. 196 00:08:06.319 --> 00:08:09.399 Well, it's like, well along, let's go throw back names, 197 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:12.279 like with Jayde and James. Like she'd never done anal 198 00:08:12.879 --> 00:08:15.160 and she's like, I have to do an on camera 199 00:08:15.240 --> 00:08:18.360 and elegance giving me the showcase and I'm like, all right, cool, great, 200 00:08:18.680 --> 00:08:21.439 I'm all come to my apartment. I will teach you 201 00:08:21.480 --> 00:08:23.959 how to clean out. I've done it for like Alexis Fox. 202 00:08:24.040 --> 00:08:24.360 I like. 203 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:30.240 I was. I say, Rachelle No, rachel Starr, okay call me. 204 00:08:30.319 --> 00:08:32.600 She goes, hey, I took your advice, but I kind 205 00:08:32.600 --> 00:08:34.879 of didn't do it right. And then Jules asked me 206 00:08:34.960 --> 00:08:38.840 to ask you again to just refresh, and it's like, I, 207 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:42.080 you know, Christina with yourself, it's like anyone that ever 208 00:08:42.240 --> 00:08:44.480 needed me, I would be like, hey, I'm here, what 209 00:08:44.519 --> 00:08:46.879 do you need? Like yeah, because Adriana used to give 210 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:50.080 us those little anal prep kids, which would be horrible 211 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:53.000 because it prolapse girls, right, and you're just like, bro, like, 212 00:08:53.480 --> 00:08:55.519 that's not the right way to show girl how to 213 00:08:55.519 --> 00:08:57.159 get ready for anal. That's see. 214 00:08:57.360 --> 00:08:59.639 I like that in the aspect of me is like okay, 215 00:08:59.679 --> 00:09:02.840 so again, not to make this about me, and you think, 216 00:09:02.879 --> 00:09:05.039 but like the level whatever is is like I remember, 217 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:09.080 and I was contracted with Adam and me, I think, 218 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:12.000 and I don't know who you were dating or whatever at. 219 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:15.039 The time, somebody. I don't think it was him. 220 00:09:15.039 --> 00:09:17.679 I don't think it was his, but it was it 221 00:09:17.720 --> 00:09:20.039 was someone maybe you weren't dating and doing something with. 222 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:21.759 But they they told you I was. 223 00:09:21.720 --> 00:09:23.559 Doing like a bondagey type of thing, and they're like, 224 00:09:23.600 --> 00:09:26.200 we're gonna have her, We're gonna pay her to tell 225 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:27.600 you what to do. And I'm like, I don't fuck 226 00:09:27.639 --> 00:09:29.399 you need anybody to tell me what to do. We've 227 00:09:29.440 --> 00:09:30.960 been in the business the same time. And it was 228 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:34.080 nothing against you. It was that what else could she 229 00:09:34.200 --> 00:09:36.879 tell me that I'm gonna do that because I wasn't 230 00:09:36.919 --> 00:09:38.000 doing anything crazy? 231 00:09:38.240 --> 00:09:39.759 But what I why I say that? So I take 232 00:09:39.799 --> 00:09:40.679 that I'm like, okay. 233 00:09:40.480 --> 00:09:42.440 Well, you're just overstepping and it wasn't you as the 234 00:09:42.480 --> 00:09:45.399 director or whatever saying whatever. So for me is the 235 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:47.720 first time they were like, well, she's not like so 236 00:09:47.759 --> 00:09:49.399 then they told you, and then I think that either 237 00:09:49.519 --> 00:09:51.200 you were already on set, so then I didn't that 238 00:09:51.240 --> 00:09:52.679 didn't happen, So that for me it was like a 239 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:54.559 kind of weird time because I was like, I don't 240 00:09:54.600 --> 00:09:55.600 want her to think it's hurt. 241 00:09:55.679 --> 00:09:56.320 It's just the fact. 242 00:09:56.320 --> 00:09:58.480 Why did y'all put me in the situation to have 243 00:09:58.600 --> 00:10:00.759 someone do that? But why I say, I look that. 244 00:10:00.840 --> 00:10:02.720 I like what you're saying about with the girls is 245 00:10:02.759 --> 00:10:06.480 that maybe for someone who was not done scenes before 246 00:10:06.600 --> 00:10:08.480 that you're taking the time and prepace because that is 247 00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:11.559 a scary situation to go into when you're like, hey, 248 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:13.039 here's an able prep but you don't know what that 249 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:16.200 fucking means. Some girls do douches in their fucking ass 250 00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:19.559 vice versa enema or whatever because they just put them 251 00:10:19.559 --> 00:10:22.639 in a bathroom where maybe in my scenario wasn't like 252 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:24.840 the best case whatever, but I took it personal, which 253 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:27.480 it shouldn't have been. But in your thing, it's where 254 00:10:27.480 --> 00:10:30.320 it's like, I think that's great to have an educator 255 00:10:30.799 --> 00:10:32.840 of like who has done it for several times, and 256 00:10:32.919 --> 00:10:35.440 you're good at it obviously, where it's like, hey, let 257 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:37.799 me walk you through this one time, you tell me 258 00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:38.360 what you need. 259 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:39.480 I'm not telling you whatever. 260 00:10:39.759 --> 00:10:41.600 But that's why I feel like, at one point, poor 261 00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:44.519 people try to pit people against each other to make 262 00:10:44.600 --> 00:10:46.759 us not like each other, which is really silly because 263 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:49.080 it makes no sense because we're fucking each other, So 264 00:10:49.120 --> 00:10:51.799 why would you want to make it awkward when we're like, hey, 265 00:10:52.440 --> 00:10:53.360 just kind of you know what I mean. 266 00:10:53.879 --> 00:10:55.000 I never understood that. 267 00:10:55.399 --> 00:10:59.279 The time for Exotica and you and Lexi Bell were 268 00:10:59.279 --> 00:11:03.360 going off to smoke and it was in Chicago, and. 269 00:11:04.120 --> 00:11:06.639 Was this actually an exotic or was it before? Because 270 00:11:06.799 --> 00:11:11.600 do you remember when we started it was this fantasy. 271 00:11:11.559 --> 00:11:15.159 That was luckily it was actual one Dan was there, okay, 272 00:11:15.759 --> 00:11:18.120 And I just remember you and Lexi were like, we 273 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:20.679 want to go smoke, and I was like, it's all 274 00:11:20.840 --> 00:11:22.679 you know, it was I legal a time. I was like, Okay, 275 00:11:23.559 --> 00:11:25.480 I'll watch Guard because we all know I don't do 276 00:11:25.519 --> 00:11:27.919 anything except for drink. That's it. Like if I'm gonna 277 00:11:27.960 --> 00:11:29.039 have anything, I'm gonna. 278 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:29.279 Have a drink. 279 00:11:29.399 --> 00:11:31.799 Be chill. And I was like, I'll watch Guard. And 280 00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:33.799 then you looked at me and like you're gonna watch 281 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:36.000 guard And I was like, I don't mind that you smoke. 282 00:11:36.399 --> 00:11:39.639 That was another thing I always felt like in this industry, 283 00:11:39.679 --> 00:11:42.279 there's people who smoke, and then there's people who don't smoke. 284 00:11:42.440 --> 00:11:44.320 And I always felt like nobody liked me because I 285 00:11:44.320 --> 00:11:45.159 didn't smoke weed. 286 00:11:46.080 --> 00:11:48.000 And it's funny because again I get with the whole 287 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:51.120 conversations is like you have your side. I have my side, 288 00:11:51.200 --> 00:11:53.360 which I would have never I don't care who doesn't smoke, 289 00:11:53.440 --> 00:11:55.080 and I don't know what that means whatever for me. 290 00:11:55.120 --> 00:11:55.879 I smoke and I drink. 291 00:11:55.879 --> 00:11:57.840 I want every want to have fun, but people please 292 00:11:57.879 --> 00:12:01.960 are in those situations. I think for me is I 293 00:12:02.000 --> 00:12:05.399 can't say about myself that I was a mean girl. 294 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:07.480 I just think I didn't have etiquette to talk to 295 00:12:07.559 --> 00:12:10.960 other females that weren't in my like wheelhouse of what 296 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:13.240 I was doing. So it's like the ignorance of like 297 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:15.960 not knowing how to form a conversation or like doing 298 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:18.879 those things where to outside looking in you're like, she 299 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:20.799 just doesn't want to talk to anybody. I'm like, actually, 300 00:12:20.840 --> 00:12:22.159 if you talk to me, I could talk to you 301 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:24.240 all day. I love to talk. I have a podcast, 302 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:26.000 I love you, know what I mean talking, So it's 303 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:28.080 like those things. But I think that that's again the 304 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:31.720 level of where it's like porn. Sometimes even companies we 305 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:34.480 kind of like maybe we did it to ourselves of 306 00:12:34.559 --> 00:12:35.919 not knowing, you know what I mean, kind of like 307 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:38.039 it's like sale like ships passing in the sales of 308 00:12:38.120 --> 00:12:38.559 nights whatever. 309 00:12:38.559 --> 00:12:40.919 It's like every experience is a little bit different. 310 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:43.279 And I feel like if we would have just been 311 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:46.919 more open to talking and just I think I think 312 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:49.120 that this public conversation would happen a lot sooner. 313 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:51.279 If we'd been in the same place, because again, it 314 00:12:51.320 --> 00:12:54.519 took like, look how many it took us. We're in 315 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:57.200 season four of your show for us to finally be 316 00:12:57.200 --> 00:12:59.559 able to and you called me last minute. I literally 317 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:02.480 out here because I was like, no, we're gonna do this. Yeah, 318 00:13:02.720 --> 00:13:07.080 I respect you, I appreciate you. I'm I know. Whenever 319 00:13:07.279 --> 00:13:09.159 like you were the butt Woman and you've been on 320 00:13:09.159 --> 00:13:11.759 the cover of like The Elegant Angels, big white asses, 321 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:14.080 Like people be like, oh you weren't the cover You've 322 00:13:14.080 --> 00:13:15.840 worked with me, and I was like, I don't give 323 00:13:15.879 --> 00:13:18.919 a fuck about it. Cover Mike Paycheck cleared. Why do 324 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:20.000 I give a fuck. 325 00:13:19.879 --> 00:13:21.399 Yeah or there or that. 326 00:13:21.519 --> 00:13:23.240 It's that part of the covers, and they're like all 327 00:13:23.279 --> 00:13:25.679 the awards. I'm like, do you guys really like I 328 00:13:25.720 --> 00:13:28.600 love all the accolades. I feel like everyone should be 329 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:31.320 awarded for what we're doing. And I think it's sometimes 330 00:13:31.480 --> 00:13:35.279 obviously you need things to like accolades to certain things, 331 00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:38.480 but it's like we all deserve, you know, flowers, We 332 00:13:38.519 --> 00:13:40.919 all deserve certain things, you know, we all deserve to 333 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:43.120 support each other. And I don't think that that. It 334 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:46.600 was more of like it was like we're pitting against things. 335 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:48.840 I'm just like, it's we're really doing the same thing. 336 00:13:49.279 --> 00:13:51.200 What makes your dogy style better than mine? 337 00:13:51.279 --> 00:13:53.000 Nothing, We're all fucking dissig. 338 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:53.840 I've seen the style. 339 00:13:53.840 --> 00:13:57.039 It's pretty, but you know, and that's those things. 340 00:13:57.039 --> 00:13:59.279 It's like when those showcases were the big point or 341 00:13:59.320 --> 00:14:01.919 the box cover. I remember when I first got in 342 00:14:01.960 --> 00:14:05.039 the industry, back in like Daddy d days of like 343 00:14:05.159 --> 00:14:08.559 we'd have like Sunday dinners at the cheesecake factory, all 344 00:14:08.600 --> 00:14:11.440 the older girls and I was a new They're like, well, 345 00:14:11.480 --> 00:14:13.360 why did you get a box from? Like I don't know, 346 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:14.399 why aren't you all happy? 347 00:14:14.440 --> 00:14:16.600 For me. But then that kind of became the thing 348 00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:19.120 of like are you not supposed to be happy? Are you? 349 00:14:19.360 --> 00:14:21.080 Is it supposed to be such a thing where it's 350 00:14:21.120 --> 00:14:23.759 like any one of us could have been on one 351 00:14:23.879 --> 00:14:26.279 and I never And so from that point because being 352 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:29.279 pitten in the beginning was like I don't want to 353 00:14:29.320 --> 00:14:31.399 be that person, like we all can win my like 354 00:14:31.440 --> 00:14:34.399 what you do, what I do, what anybody does, it's 355 00:14:34.519 --> 00:14:37.559 we're still gonna get the paycheck. We're still gonna fucking 356 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:40.080 do whatever, and on your level. And that's what I 357 00:14:40.120 --> 00:14:43.399 think came in the three like three year mark of 358 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:46.159 our career, because then we're like, all right, we're already established. 359 00:14:46.279 --> 00:14:48.480 It doesn't matter whether the fuck's going on. We don't 360 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:50.279 have to like prove something in a sense. 361 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:54.759 And I think our names grew exactly at the same time. 362 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:59.519 And I also think that split, Like you said, Melissa's known, Yes, 363 00:14:59.600 --> 00:15:02.000 my real name, Melissa Phoenix. I don't care, okay, just 364 00:15:02.039 --> 00:15:08.519 so we all know that Melissa went more internet and hardcore, 365 00:15:08.720 --> 00:15:12.399 and you established with I can do Internet, I can 366 00:15:12.480 --> 00:15:15.600 do all the speaking roles for Adam and Eve and 367 00:15:15.639 --> 00:15:18.960 Wicked and everything else. That wasn't my thing. No one 368 00:15:19.320 --> 00:15:20.279 wanted me for that. 369 00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:23.519 The thing is, nobody I was really never did speak. 370 00:15:23.600 --> 00:15:26.120 I didn't do a lot of like I was gonzo. 371 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:27.919 But you were hot as fucking you can talk, so 372 00:15:27.960 --> 00:15:28.759 why wouldn't they put you? 373 00:15:28.919 --> 00:15:30.960 But the thing is like for a long time, it's 374 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:32.840 like and I'm sure you can relate that kind of 375 00:15:32.879 --> 00:15:35.080 because you've always had tits and asks. Like for me, 376 00:15:35.320 --> 00:15:37.200 there's a long time nobody wanted to see the front 377 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:38.679 of me. I'm like, there was a one box cover 378 00:15:38.759 --> 00:15:40.840 that I remember the lady who's doing because he didn't 379 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:44.480 separate box. It wasn't even her. It was before zero tolerance, 380 00:15:44.600 --> 00:15:47.399 third degree, and it was the thing. They're like, they're like, oh, 381 00:15:47.399 --> 00:15:49.159 we want you in the front, and it was just 382 00:15:49.519 --> 00:15:50.759 the front of me. And I was like, are you 383 00:15:50.799 --> 00:15:52.960 not gonna get in trouble? I was like, and they're like, no, 384 00:15:53.240 --> 00:15:55.080 you have a pretty face, prime like I do. That 385 00:15:55.159 --> 00:15:57.639 was the first time, and probably I was three already 386 00:15:57.679 --> 00:15:59.679 in three or four years that I had done a 387 00:15:59.720 --> 00:16:02.279 box cover that wasn't like looking at. 388 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:07.759 Arching like rolls arch, the. 389 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:10.559 Hiding of the roles. When you finally learn to perfect that, 390 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:12.519 like that's when you know your ask. Girl, you're like, all, 391 00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:15.080 I gotta just try and grab that roll of fat 392 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:16.879 and hide it and maybe it'll look good. 393 00:16:16.919 --> 00:16:19.320 Like see staff, I still struggle with that girl any 394 00:16:19.480 --> 00:16:21.840 regardless of how thin and how shape you are, that 395 00:16:21.919 --> 00:16:24.120 when you turn around there's roles and that's why it's 396 00:16:24.120 --> 00:16:26.960 like it's almost like embracing your body too. But and 397 00:16:26.960 --> 00:16:30.120 then the pencil tests, remember that we had to like underneath. 398 00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:33.480 Your cheeks the pencils or Kelly used to do spoons. 399 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:36.960 Kelly put in all the silver warm She's like like 400 00:16:37.039 --> 00:16:39.840 trying to match me. I have the giants and like, Kelly, 401 00:16:39.879 --> 00:16:40.200