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<v Speaker 1>Clovis, California, became the epicenter of our nation's culture war

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<v Speaker 1>over this past weekend. As a boy, ab Hernandez was

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to compete in and dominate his various events in

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<v Speaker 1>the California State High School Track and field competition overseen

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<v Speaker 1>by CIF the California Interscholastic Federation, which is the governing

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<v Speaker 1>body for California high school sports. Now, I was there

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<v Speaker 1>for pretty much the whole weekend, everything that happened from

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<v Speaker 1>the Thursday press conference held by Clovis City Council member

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<v Speaker 1>and Mayor pro tem of Clovis, Diane Pierce, all the

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<v Speaker 1>way to the end of the track meet Saturday night

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<v Speaker 1>in the midst of you know, a super enormous heat wave,

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<v Speaker 1>extremely hot temperatures even for Fresno.

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<v Speaker 2>For the end of February.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I sweat out over the course of Friday

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<v Speaker 1>and Saturday, about four times my body weight worth of water.

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<v Speaker 2>So I want to go through the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, let's start with the actual controversy itself and the

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<v Speaker 1>legal setting. So California has had laws on the books,

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<v Speaker 1>laws that were passed in twenty thirteen that went into

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<v Speaker 1>effecting twenty fourteen and under Jerry Brown, that basically say,

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<v Speaker 1>in California public high schools, sports and other accommodations like bathrooms,

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<v Speaker 1>locker rooms, et cetera, are on the basis of gender identity,

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<v Speaker 1>not biological sex. So if a boy thinks he's a girl,

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<v Speaker 1>he gets to play girls basketball, girls water polo, girls swimming,

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<v Speaker 1>girls track and field. He thereby also gets to use

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<v Speaker 1>the girl's locker room, the girl's bathroom, the girls showers.

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<v Speaker 1>This has been on the books in California again since

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fourteen, so that's California law. President Trump in early

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<v Speaker 1>February issued an executive order to protect girls' sports, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Trump administration basically put forward the argument that Title

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<v Speaker 1>nine itself demands that boys not play girls' sports, that

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<v Speaker 1>the presence of male athletes is demeaning and insulting to

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<v Speaker 1>women in their athletic competitions, and specifically that their presence

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<v Speaker 1>within locker rooms is a threatening and endangering thing. So

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<v Speaker 1>Title nine would demand adequate fair treatment of women within sports.

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<v Speaker 1>Title nine demands that men not play, and the Trump

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<v Speaker 1>administration basically said, we are going to engage in Title

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<v Speaker 1>nine enforcement efforts against body athletic governing bodies that do

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<v Speaker 1>that persist in letting men play women's sports. The NCAA

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much immediately complied almost instantaneously after the Trump administration

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<v Speaker 1>issued this executive order. The CIF, however, did not. The

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<v Speaker 1>CIF basically said, well, no, we're going to have We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna we're going to follow California state law.

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<v Speaker 2>So the CIF did not comply with the Trump executive order.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, over the course of last week, CIF wound up

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<v Speaker 1>changing their policies like twice in two different ways, and

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<v Speaker 1>basically what they ended at was a policy that's not

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<v Speaker 1>really in conformity with the Trump executive order because they

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<v Speaker 1>are still allowing males to compete in competition alongside female competitors.

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<v Speaker 1>They have also done nothing to address problems like accommodations, bathrooms, showers,

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<v Speaker 1>locker rooms, which frankly like as as much as I

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<v Speaker 1>think it is bad and unfair and tears of unfairness here,

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<v Speaker 1>t I e r s of unfairness here. As unfair

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<v Speaker 1>as I think it is that boys are stealing the

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<v Speaker 1>spotlight from girls and getting awarded alongside girls.

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<v Speaker 2>Or could be taking opportunities from girls.

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<v Speaker 1>The most egregious harm of such policies is the violations

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<v Speaker 1>of women's privacy that it entails men using women's bathrooms,

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<v Speaker 1>men changing in women's locker rooms, men showering in women's

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<v Speaker 1>locker rooms. When you're talking about high school, also, let's

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<v Speaker 1>remember not just focusing on Pacific athletic event like this

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<v Speaker 1>Track and Feel meet, but just in general, you're at

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<v Speaker 1>a high school, you train, you know, you've got a

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<v Speaker 1>team training. This same team like a basketball team. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>say might have a fourteen year old freshman.

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<v Speaker 2>Girl.

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<v Speaker 1>The girl's basketball team could include a fourteen year old

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<v Speaker 1>freshman girl and a eighteen year old male who identifies

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<v Speaker 1>as a girl, who are expected now to shower together.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's let that sink in. Okay, and you could have

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about an adult male who might be a

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<v Speaker 1>high school senior who identifies as a woman. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>just identify as there doesn't need to be any hardware update.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me if I can put it delicately. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>This might be someone who has not had any surgery,

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<v Speaker 1>any kind of plastic surgery to make his body appear

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<v Speaker 1>more like the body of a woman. This might not

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<v Speaker 1>even be someone who's on hormones to try to make

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<v Speaker 1>their appearance more like a woman. You can genuinely have

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<v Speaker 1>a situation where an eighteen year old male is showering

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<v Speaker 1>alongside fourteen year old females. So that was not at

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<v Speaker 1>all addressed by the CIF policy. So CIF made their

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<v Speaker 1>policies less egregious.

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<v Speaker 2>How do they do that?

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<v Speaker 1>So what CIF did over the course of last week

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<v Speaker 1>is basically, say, a biological boy is allowed to compete

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<v Speaker 1>in the girls event on the basis of a claim

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<v Speaker 1>gender identity. But basically they're not going to take any

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<v Speaker 1>spot from a girl. So no girl is going to

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<v Speaker 1>fail to qualify for the next round if they are

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<v Speaker 1>beat out for a spot by a transgender competitor. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so if a transgender competitor makes the qualifying time or

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<v Speaker 1>jump or whatever, instead of let's say bringing ten girls

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<v Speaker 1>to the finalists, we're now going to bring eleven.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Also, no girl is going to miss out.

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<v Speaker 1>On her final result or spot on the basis of

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<v Speaker 1>a transgender competitor. So if the transgender person gets first place,

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<v Speaker 1>the next ranked girl is also awarded first place, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the next girl who is third as far as

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<v Speaker 1>her time or distance or whatever, is awarded second place,

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<v Speaker 1>and so on. So no girl's going to miss out

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<v Speaker 1>on a spot because of a transgender competitor. No girl

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<v Speaker 1>is going to miss out on a ranking because of

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<v Speaker 1>a transgender competitor, which really kind of makes it seem like,

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<v Speaker 1>what the heck are we doing here? This is basically

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<v Speaker 1>just something to gratify this child's ego, or this to

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<v Speaker 1>make this child feel good.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Trevor actually said it best.

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<v Speaker 1>He had me on the show on Thursday and we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about it, and Trevor just off the top of

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<v Speaker 1>his head and he said, I could use this line.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to use this line.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically said, so Aby Hernandez, this boy who's playing in

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<v Speaker 1>the girls events, he's basically in a phantom league of

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<v Speaker 1>his own. And that's exactly what it is. He's more

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<v Speaker 1>or less competing in this phantom league. And you saw

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<v Speaker 1>that during the track meet last weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>He wins.

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<v Speaker 1>First place in the triple jump by a massive margin.

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<v Speaker 2>But another girl.

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<v Speaker 1>From Albany, California is also awarded first place, even though

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<v Speaker 1>she jumped you know, almost two feet, not as far

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<v Speaker 1>as Hernandez did in the triple jump. The next girl,

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<v Speaker 1>who had the third longest jump is awarded second place.

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<v Speaker 2>And so on.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm gonna take you kind of day by day

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<v Speaker 1>over the course of the show.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to take you guys kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>Day by day throughout the week, and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>start I'll start with Thursday. So Thursday was the press

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<v Speaker 1>conference that took place at the Clovis Veterans' Memorial Building

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<v Speaker 1>that was convened by Diane Pierce. And I just want

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<v Speaker 1>to say this, Diane Pierce stood tall this whole week

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<v Speaker 1>as the obvious leader locally on this issue. Now it

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<v Speaker 1>was in Clovis, in the city of Clovis. One could

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<v Speaker 1>argue that it sort of made sense for a City

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<v Speaker 1>of Clovis official to be the one leading the charge,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't know that that's necessarily true. Anyone could

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<v Speaker 1>have taken the lead on this. An assembly member, of state, senator,

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<v Speaker 1>a congressman, county supervisor, and certainly a lot of local

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<v Speaker 1>politicians participated in her efforts and were supportive. And I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate all the people who were there backing what Diane does.

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<v Speaker 1>But the fact remains she was the one who was

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<v Speaker 1>convening these press conferences and bringing the most attention to this,

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<v Speaker 1>getting the attention of the Trump administration to focus on

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<v Speaker 1>what was going on. She was one sort of convening this,

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<v Speaker 1>working with Vince Fong's office to alert people at the

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<v Speaker 1>federal level, etc. So Diane Pierce calls this press conference,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll say this, I think she's an extremely talented politician.

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<v Speaker 1>I think she's a great public speaker, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>the future is quite bright for her if she chooses

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<v Speaker 1>to pursue some higher office.

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<v Speaker 2>Beyond the Clovis City Council.

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<v Speaker 1>And there are probably going to be some opportunities like

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<v Speaker 1>that locally for her, whether it's the County Board of

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<v Speaker 1>Supervisors or the State Senate. I know it's announced that

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<v Speaker 1>Nathan Magzig, who is the county supervisor who represents the

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<v Speaker 1>Clovis area, is running for the state Senate once Shannon

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<v Speaker 1>Grove term limits out. He'll be running for Grove's seat

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty six. I think there are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be opportunities for Peers. And clearly she was heading shoulders

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<v Speaker 1>the leader on this whole issue. So in the press conference,

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<v Speaker 1>Diane Pierce spoke, she read a message from State Senator

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<v Speaker 1>Shannon Grove. David Tonguipa was there. He spoke, and he

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<v Speaker 1>talked about some proposals he was working on for maybe

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<v Speaker 1>open competition categories where the competition would be open to

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<v Speaker 1>persons of either sex, in order to sort of make

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<v Speaker 1>it clear that this is a woman's category, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a man's category. If you want people to come in

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<v Speaker 1>and mix regardless of Jenner in a separate category, that's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>He was sort of taking inspiration from. I guess professional

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<v Speaker 1>bowling does a kind of open competition in certain cases.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I can tell Tongu he's I can tell

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<v Speaker 1>that talk about is trying to work within the constraints

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<v Speaker 1>of what he can work with within the California state legislature,

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<v Speaker 1>which is to say, very liberal constraints.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I'm not sure how.

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<v Speaker 1>Sensible that's going to be, though, given that for sports

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<v Speaker 1>like track and field, the only people who are going

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<v Speaker 1>to be in the open boys are just so much bigger, taller, stronger, faster,

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<v Speaker 1>and outmatch girls that the top boys out match the

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<v Speaker 1>top girls so significantly. I mean the winning the best

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<v Speaker 1>high jump on the girl's side was five foot seven.

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<v Speaker 1>The best high jump on the boy's side was six

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<v Speaker 1>foot nine. Like, what are we even talking about here?

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<v Speaker 1>There's no, it's not necessarily very sensible for it to

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<v Speaker 1>be a mixed category, i'd say. And throughout the Thursday

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<v Speaker 1>press conference, the leading object of scorn as is right

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<v Speaker 1>and just was our beloved Governor Gavin Newsom. Now Newsome,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he made the critical mistake of doing this podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>which is now I think my wife noted that his

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<v Speaker 1>podcast listenership has absolutely plummeted from the first few episodes,

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<v Speaker 1>which is, by the way, how all these celebrity podcasts go.

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<v Speaker 1>Every celebrity podcast does this. They announced that some celebrity

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<v Speaker 1>has podcast, everyone makes a big start, maybe there's like

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<v Speaker 1>one news story that breaks as a result of it.

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<v Speaker 1>They get, you know, a bunch of people to listen

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<v Speaker 1>for the first two episodes, and then nobody ever listens

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<v Speaker 1>to it again. And that seems to be precisely what

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<v Speaker 1>happened with Newsom.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Newsom's problem was that when he started the podcast, he

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<v Speaker 1>was like talking only with like really conservative people like

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie Kirk and then Michael Savage and this person and

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<v Speaker 1>that person, and it really ticked off liberals that he

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<v Speaker 1>did that, and conservatives were like whoa, Okay, So, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the very first episode of Newsom's podcast, he's talking with

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie Kirk and he says, yeah, it's deeply unfair when

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<v Speaker 1>biological boys, when boys, you know, playing girls sports. And

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<v Speaker 1>through the press conference, everyone's like, all right, well, Gavin Newsom,

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<v Speaker 1>where are you, buddy? You know, if you think it's

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<v Speaker 2>This is the state.

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<v Speaker 1>Track and field championships. We're gonna say that the bet

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<v Speaker 1>that the high jump champion of California is a girl,

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<v Speaker 1>that the long jump second place finisher of California is

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<v Speaker 1>a excuse me, that the high jump girls champion is

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<v Speaker 2>Where are you?

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<v Speaker 1>Where are you trying to lead the charge in the

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<v Speaker 1>state legislature to change this? But this is the problem

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<v Speaker 1>with Newsom. He says it's unfair, but he doesn't have

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<v Speaker 2>Anything about it.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not going to introduce legislation to keep boys out

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<v Speaker 1>the question. It was Newsome in twenty twenty who changed

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<v Speaker 1>California law signed into law massive changes for California prisons

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<v Speaker 1>not biological sex. Which, as much as we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>girl sports, and yes, I do think boys playing girl

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<v Speaker 1>sports is unfair and unjust, housing men in women's prisons

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<v Speaker 2>With convicted criminals, convicted criminal men.

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<v Speaker 1>As we see in Madera County where Sally Moreno, the

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<v Speaker 1>DA up there is prosecuting a man who got housed

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<v Speaker 1>When we return, we'll have more from my weekend at

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<v Speaker 1>the races, My day at the races, My day at

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<v Speaker 1>the Culture War races.

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<v Speaker 2>That's next on the John Girardi Show.

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<v Speaker 1>John Girardi here, we're talking about this past weekend at

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<v Speaker 1>the California State High School track and field meet held

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<v Speaker 1>up Buchanan High School, in which a biological well, just

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<v Speaker 1>a boy. I'm not sure there's any other kind of

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<v Speaker 1>boy than a biological boy. Biology is what makes you

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<v Speaker 2>A boy.

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<v Speaker 1>Ab Hernandez, who's a junior from la from Harupa Valley

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<v Speaker 1>High School in southern California, a boy, won the California

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<v Speaker 1>state championship in the triple jump, tied for first in

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<v Speaker 1>the high jump, and got second placed in the long jump,

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<v Speaker 1>all in the girls' division in spite of the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that ab Hernandez is a boy. So I was there

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<v Speaker 1>Friday and Saturday. Friday was the pliminaries and Saturday was

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<v Speaker 1>the championship competitions for the state track and field meets,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was actually it was my first time going

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<v Speaker 1>was actually really interesting and pretty fun. The not so

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<v Speaker 1>much the field events, the high jump, long jump, triple jump.

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<v Speaker 1>Those were pretty boring, honestly, but the track events were

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<v Speaker 1>super exciting, including the one hundred meter dash, where a

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<v Speaker 1>boy set the new California state record in the one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred meter dash. This kid ran a ten point h

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<v Speaker 1>one second one hundred meter dash, which was absolutely thrilling

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<v Speaker 1>to watch. So let me talk about Hernandez himself, who,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, in all of this. Let's just remember,

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<v Speaker 1>I understand a lot of you listening don't like boys

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<v Speaker 1>playing girls sports. I have no ill will to the kid, who,

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<v Speaker 1>let's remember, is a kid. This is an eleventh grader.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not an adult. So let's take that with

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<v Speaker 1>a grain of salt. I'm not here to bash any kid.

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<v Speaker 1>So Hernandez is a very effeminate acting boy. He's not

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest boy, he's obviously pretty slight, but he's recognizably

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<v Speaker 1>a boy. He's a boy who has his hair done up.

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<v Speaker 1>His face is just caked with makeup, like almost comically

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<v Speaker 1>so in some of the photographs from the event, my

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<v Speaker 1>wife thought, oh my gosh, it's like it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Almost to the point of being clown makeup.

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<v Speaker 1>His hair is oddly bleached, kind of a copper color,

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<v Speaker 1>coppery blonde. But he's recognizably a boy, and the physical

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<v Speaker 1>advantages of being a boy in these competitions or him

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<v Speaker 2>He's flat chested, he's got narrow hips.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got broad shoulders, he's got more defined musculature than

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<v Speaker 1>most of the girls. And it's sort of that, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's why clearly he's doing so well. It's not because

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<v Speaker 1>He's got this immaculate form in any of his events,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll talk about that more later. He can kind

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<v Speaker 1>of get away with sort of mediocre form because he's

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<v Speaker 1>got muscles on muscles on muscles that the girls just

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not the girl's fault. They're just girls. Girls

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<v Speaker 2>musculature is different from boys.

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<v Speaker 1>And it allows him, as a fairly mediocre male athlete,

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<v Speaker 1>to just completely dominate.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, when we return.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll talk about specific events and specifics of what I saw,

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<v Speaker 1>including some of the craziness that happened outside the gates

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<v Speaker 1>at the track meet. All that next on the John

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<v Speaker 1>Girardi Show at the California State Track and Field Meet Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>and this past Friday and Saturday, the high school track

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<v Speaker 1>and Field meet, in which a boy, ab Hernandez was

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<v Speaker 1>competing in the girls division for some of the events.

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<v Speaker 1>The action happening outside was about as wild as the

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<v Speaker 1>action happening inside the stadium.

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<v Speaker 2>So let me kind of try and paint the scene

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<v Speaker 1>So Friday, Friday, the gates open at two at Veterans

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<v Speaker 1>Memorial Stadium at Buchanan. It is hot. It is like

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred plus degrees. Really stinking hot. I go into

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<v Speaker 1>corner of Minnie Wah Wah and Knees Avenues in Clovis,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's sort of that corner there, and on that

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<v Speaker 1>at different times they were there holding signs, having cars

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<v Speaker 1>passed by honk at them. A lot of them were

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<v Speaker 1>were women wearing pink clothing of various kinds, holding signs

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<v Speaker 1>that say save girls sports, no boys and girls sports,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Different conservative social media

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<v Speaker 1>types were out there on the corner. Now, on Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>a pro transgender protester showed up and was out there

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<v Speaker 1>on the corner. It was kind of after a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the anti transgenderism protesters had left this this pro

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<v Speaker 1>according to news reports after the event, goes by the

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<v Speaker 1>name Ethan Kroll. Now I couldn't one hundred percent tell,

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<v Speaker 1>mostly because Kroll was really covered up. I couldn't tell

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<v Speaker 1>if Kroll was actually a woman. I think Kroll might

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<v Speaker 1>have been a woman, I'm not exactly sure. Just again,

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<v Speaker 1>this person was very covered up. Kroll was outside again

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<v Speaker 1>at the corner of Knees in Minneuowa, wearing all black,

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<v Speaker 1>black blue jeans, a black hoodie sweatshirt with the hood

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<v Speaker 1>pulled up. And again, let's remember it's like one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and three degrees, black sunglasses, a black face mask, even

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<v Speaker 1>wearing black gloves, and holding a transgender pride flag sort of,

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<v Speaker 1>which is I think it's like blue pink. It's five

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<v Speaker 1>horizontal stripes on a flag, blue, pink, white, pink.

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<v Speaker 2>Blue, because you can switch between blue and pink, which

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<v Speaker 1>How the whole transgender ideology is premised on the idea

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<v Speaker 1>other than very hackneyed stereotypes about the male and female sexes.

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<v Speaker 1>Being a woman is just a matter of liking girly things.

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<v Speaker 1>Being a man is just a matter of liking guy things.

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<v Speaker 1>So being a girl means you like pink. Being a

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<v Speaker 1>boy means you like blue. In spite of the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that like twenty or thirty years ago, feminists would have

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<v Speaker 1>screamed at you for.

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<v Speaker 3>Saying, just because a boy likes likes feminine things does

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<v Speaker 3>not make him less of a boy. Just because a

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<v Speaker 3>girl is a tomboy does not make her less of

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<v Speaker 3>a woman, like which true.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, I don't think you ceased to be a boy

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<v Speaker 1>just because you're, you know, a three year old and

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<v Speaker 1>your playing with your sister's naked barbie doll or something.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't think a girl is a boy because

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<v Speaker 1>you know she's falling down in mud and wants to

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<v Speaker 1>play baseball. Like no, you're You're still a boy, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're still a girl. And it's based on biology and physiogogy.

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<v Speaker 2>Your body.

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<v Speaker 1>Is a meaningful, constitutive element of who you are, of

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<v Speaker 1>your identity. Now, this person ethan crawl, This pro transgender

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<v Speaker 1>protester was out there dressed all in black, holding a

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<v Speaker 1>pro a transgender pride flag attached to an aluminum pole,

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<v Speaker 1>so holding and it was a big flag looked like

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<v Speaker 1>a like almost like a I don't know, like a

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<v Speaker 1>I saw the after effects of it, but the video

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<v Speaker 1>of the event itself got posted onto x that Kroll

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<v Speaker 1>got into an argument with this local conservative kind of

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<v Speaker 1>activist guy named Josh Fulfer, who's very active on various

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<v Speaker 1>with his wife, got into kind of a shouting match

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<v Speaker 1>with Kroll, and Kroll goes over to the side view window,

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<v Speaker 1>to the passenger window of the car and begins to

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<v Speaker 1>the Pride flag is attached to through the window. Fulfer

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<v Speaker 1>then proceeds, I actually I forget if it was or

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<v Speaker 1>to pepper spray Kroll, the pro transgender protester, gets pepper

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<v Speaker 1>spray in the face. Police apparently saw the interaction. And

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<v Speaker 1>but if those are the facts, and I believe they are,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a pretty clear cutcase of Kroll engaging in assault

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<v Speaker 1>and of Fulfer engaging in reasonable self defense.

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<v Speaker 2>So police arrested Kroll did not arrest.

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<v Speaker 1>Fulfer, according to him, and according to news accounts, seems

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<v Speaker 1>like Krohle was the only person arrested.

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<v Speaker 2>Kroll got charged with a couple of counts.

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<v Speaker 1>And was booked into the Fresno County Jail, including with

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<v Speaker 1>a felony count of assault with a deadly weapon not

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<v Speaker 2>Now, that was nuts.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So that was happening while the track and field

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<v Speaker 1>meet's going on. I'm kind of trying to watch the

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<v Speaker 1>track and field, but now I'm like trying to cover this,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm talking with kids who were eyewitnesses to it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was completely nuts.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, the whole I should have led with this Friday

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<v Speaker 1>was surreal because overhead the whole time, we were pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much the entire afternoon from you know, the gates opened

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<v Speaker 1>after eight o'clock. The competition began at three. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think I left until after eight o'clock. For most of

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<v Speaker 1>the afternoon, a plane was flying overhead above Veterans Memorial

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<v Speaker 1>Stadium at Buchanan with a banner behind it that said

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<v Speaker 1>no boys in girls sports, just constantly flying overhead.

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<v Speaker 2>So everyone there was like, you know, engage with it. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>The crowd, it was a pretty full crowd.

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<v Speaker 1>The Grand stands weren't completely filled just because the sun

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<v Speaker 1>was just mercilessly beating down on the grand stands that

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<v Speaker 1>are on sort of the north side of the state,

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<v Speaker 1>the north side sort of the north slash, it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of the northeast side of the stadium, and then there's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of more of the southwest side of the state.

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<v Speaker 1>The southwest side of the stadium was more in the shade.

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<v Speaker 1>The northeast side of the stadium was just getting beaten

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<v Speaker 1>by the sun.

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<v Speaker 2>So a lot of people were kind of on a hill.

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<v Speaker 1>On the north west side of the stadium, and a

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<v Speaker 1>ton of people wound up filling the north side bleachers,

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<v Speaker 1>and everyone there, almost every single person there was either

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<v Speaker 1>family of a competitor or coaches of a competitor. There

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<v Speaker 1>were maybe there was a bigger representation of Buchanan High

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<v Speaker 1>school kids, and a lot of Buchanan kids were volunteering

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<v Speaker 1>for the event, but pretty much everyone there was there

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<v Speaker 1>because they were either coaching a competitor or family members

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<v Speaker 1>of a competitor, and so as a result, this was

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<v Speaker 1>a relatively a political crowd. No one was there for

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<v Speaker 1>the ab Hernandez controversy other than maybe a few scattered

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<v Speaker 1>people in the crowd, and I talked with a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of people, different coaches and parents about you know, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you know I'm here covering this for Power Talk.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, do you have any thoughts on the ab

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<v Speaker 2>Hernandez thing?

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<v Speaker 1>And no one really wanted to go on Very few

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<v Speaker 1>people anyway, wanted to go on the record.

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<v Speaker 2>Because they were like, you know, my kids competing in this.

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<v Speaker 1>If I give a quote or something, that's going to

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<v Speaker 1>distract from my kid, Like, you know, that's not what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here for. But and I will note the crowd

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<v Speaker 1>seemed mostly supportive of Hernandez when Hernandez's name was first

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<v Speaker 1>announced for I think the first event Hernandez did on

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<v Speaker 1>Friday was the high jump. There was a smattering of applause,

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<v Speaker 1>of kind of pointed applause, and I would imagine pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much every liberal person there wanted to oh, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, be very vocal about this.

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<v Speaker 1>And you have to remember this was kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>cross section of California. This is not a cross section

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<v Speaker 1>of America. It was a cross section of California. This

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<v Speaker 1>was a California state wide event. So and it's track

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<v Speaker 1>and field, which probably draws a bit more left. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>say than other sports. I mean, this wasn't a high

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<v Speaker 1>school football crown necessarily, although there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>African American families who I don't think have the same

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<v Speaker 1>cultural sensitivity on these things as sort of.

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<v Speaker 2>Lily white liberal families do.

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<v Speaker 1>But talking with people off the record quietly beside, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people.

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<v Speaker 2>Were willing to say, yeah, it's kind of ridiculous, this

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<v Speaker 2>is unfair. I mean, obviously it's unfair.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, and people were like a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>I talked with were like very reasonable about it. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't blame the kid, but yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>obviously unfair for competition, Like that's a boy, Like he

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<v Speaker 1>can do stuff boys can do, and it just doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>make sense to have them competing against girls. Now, when

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<v Speaker 1>we return, I want to talk about the championship Day

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<v Speaker 1>on Saturday and Hernandez's results and sort of my thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>on basically how abe Hernandez is the twenty twenties Danny

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<v Speaker 1>Almonte for those of you who don't remember the fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>year old who was blown fastballs by twelve year olds

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<v Speaker 1>in the two thousand and one Little League World Series.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll explain when I returned this is the John Gerardi Show.

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<v Speaker 1>So what happened on Saturday at the California State High

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<v Speaker 1>School Track and Field Championships where a boy, ab Hernandez

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<v Speaker 1>competed against girls in the long jump, high jump, and

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<v Speaker 1>triple jump. Well, he put on a dominant display against girls.

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<v Speaker 1>He tied for first place in the high jump with

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<v Speaker 1>a height of five foot seven. He got second place

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<v Speaker 1>in the long jump, and he got first place in

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<v Speaker 1>the triple jump, going about almost two feet about one

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<v Speaker 1>foot nine something inches farther the closest girl competitor. And

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<v Speaker 1>this was where it was only watching him that I

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<v Speaker 1>really sort of began to understand and see. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously I knew the whole time it was unfair, but

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<v Speaker 1>I began to appreciate the unfairness in a more distinct way.

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<v Speaker 1>Explain why I want to talk specifically about the high jump.

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<v Speaker 1>Up to that point, high jump had been Hernandez's worst

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<v Speaker 1>event of the three events that he participates in. High

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<v Speaker 1>long jump, triple jump, triple jumps is best event in

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<v Speaker 1>the high jump. And I ran this by people who

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<v Speaker 1>know more about track and field than I did, but

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<v Speaker 1>even I noticed it. The girl competitors were in the

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<v Speaker 1>in the Basically, you take a bit of a running start.

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<v Speaker 1>You go in kind of almost like a semi circle

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<v Speaker 1>up until you get to the front of the cushion

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<v Speaker 1>in front of which is the bar that's hanging horizontally.

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<v Speaker 1>You pump your arms, you gather yourself, you bend your knees,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you spring. And your arms have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>to do with your jump. How you pump and gat

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<v Speaker 1>how pump your arms, gather your arms crouched to to

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<v Speaker 1>spring as high as you can. Your arms have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot to do with your success in the high jump.

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<v Speaker 1>And I could see with the girls they were using

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<v Speaker 1>your arms the way you would imagine they were hands

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<v Speaker 1>and fists.

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<v Speaker 2>Pumping. I mean, it made sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Hernandez was doing it kind of differently from all the

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<v Speaker 1>girls in the all the other girls in the competition,

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<v Speaker 1>all of the girls, not other girls. He's almost like

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<v Speaker 1>it's almost like prancing, and his with his hand palms

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<v Speaker 1>sort of flat, not like pumping, like doing it in

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<v Speaker 1>a more almost feminine. He's running in an almost more

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<v Speaker 1>comically effeminate way than the girls who are running to

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<v Speaker 1>gather up themselves for this jump. Because they're girls, they

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<v Speaker 1>don't care if they look feminine, and I almost wonder

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<v Speaker 1>if he's like doing this affected thing because he's trying so.

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<v Speaker 2>Hard to give off the appearance of being a girl.

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<v Speaker 1>And maybe I'm over analyzing this, but his form was

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<v Speaker 1>definitely different from the girls. And yet he gets a

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<v Speaker 1>jump of five feet seven inches to equal the best

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<v Speaker 1>girl in spite of the fact that his form is bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Why well, he can make up for the inadequacies of

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<v Speaker 1>his form because he's a boy, because he's got bigger,

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<v Speaker 1>stronger muscles. And this it led me to think of

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<v Speaker 1>Danny Almonte. When I was a kid. Two thousand and one,

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<v Speaker 1>there's this big scandal at the Little League World Series.

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<v Speaker 1>Little League World Series is for twelve years old and under,

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<v Speaker 1>and a team from the Bronx was dominating with this

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<v Speaker 1>picture that everyone's like, this kid's a phenom, this kid's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be.

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<v Speaker 2>An amazing picture. Maybe he'll go pro. Danny al Monty,

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<v Speaker 2>this Dominican kid from New York. Wow, he's just he's

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<v Speaker 2>dominating the Little League World Series.

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<v Speaker 1>And then a couple of years later it turns out, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>Danny al Monty is actually fourteen years old. His Dominican

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<v Speaker 1>birth certificate was fudge was dicey. He was actually fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>and what did that do well? It immediately showed that

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel Monty was not a very impressive athlete. Yeah, plenty

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<v Speaker 1>of fourteen year olds can blow fastballs. By twelve year olds,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not an indication of being anything special. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>what Aby Hernandez is. He is the Danny al Monty

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<v Speaker 1>of the twenty twenties. He's not actually a very good

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<v Speaker 1>high jumper. If you compare him against boys, there were

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<v Speaker 1>at least in the southern section of CIF, which is

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<v Speaker 1>most of the Los Angeles area excluding the city of

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles, in D three high schools, there were at

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<v Speaker 1>least twenty boys who jumped higher than Hernandez has ever jumped.

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<v Speaker 1>He's just kind of a mediocre athlete. And yet at

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<v Speaker 1>the metal ceremony, here he is with the two other

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<v Speaker 1>girls he tied for first place with standing in front

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<v Speaker 1>of them. The symbolism was hard to miss. That'll do it,

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<v Speaker 1>John Dirolady show, see you next time on Power Talk.
