Speaker 1: You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report
Speaker 1: a UFO hanging in? We don't want to report every
Speaker 1: thirty one. Do you wish to report a UFO over hey,
Speaker 1: we want to one of those data areas thirty one.
Speaker 2: Do you wish to find a report of any kind
Speaker 2: of it?
Speaker 1: I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds, time areas
Speaker 1: thirty one me neither there were self.
Speaker 3: If it was anybody a h above us to pass us,
Speaker 3: like thirty seconds.
Speaker 2: Ago, we were sending one of golf negative.
Speaker 1: Okay, OFFI the UFO. Yeah, it's murder ten nine o'clock. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'll just passed over, I go.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it was, but it's from at
Speaker 2: least to three thousand feet above us.
Speaker 1: See, I passed out over the top of US ninety
Speaker 1: one one.
Speaker 2: You just called up to me before.
Speaker 1: They're after staying the airplanes.
Speaker 2: He is.
Speaker 4: I swear to God more calm on an unidentified object
Speaker 4: every Liberty four call or calm on an unidentified flying object.
Speaker 2: A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share
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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. How are you
Speaker 2: all this week? I'm Nick Hunter and this is the
Speaker 2: UFO Chronicles podcast. In tonight's episode, we sit down with Antonio,
Speaker 2: coming to ve Us from California in the US, an
Speaker 2: experiencer from Portugal whose story began in the late nineteen
Speaker 2: seventies with a blowing light over the olive trees of
Speaker 2: vimur Aru. What followed was a lifetime of encounters, from
Speaker 2: paralyzing vibrations of missing time, to mysterious men in black cars,
Speaker 2: prophetic dreams, and a deep connection to ancient sacred sites.
Speaker 2: His journey led him to write Gods or Civilizations from
Speaker 2: the Stars, a book he believed was inspired by direct
Speaker 2: contact with non human intelligences. Antonio shares how his experiences
Speaker 2: shaped his faith, his family, and his search for meaning,
Speaker 2: from his first sighting as a child to a hypnotic
Speaker 2: regression that revealed hidden memories. Antonio is up next, but first,
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Speaker 2: the show, Hello Antonio, welcome to the podcast. Hello, thank
Speaker 2: you for joining us today. And you're coming to us
Speaker 2: from the state of California.
Speaker 1: Yeah, city of Modesta.
Speaker 2: Modesta, wonderful. Okay, Now, Antonio, you have some experiences you're
Speaker 2: going to be sharing with us. Would you like to
Speaker 2: start at the beginning, please, sir?
Speaker 1: Okay, I can beginning of when I watch child and
Speaker 1: there was in the late seventeenth that's all. I think.
Speaker 1: There was beginner when I saw strange light in the
Speaker 1: small town where my parents live, and at that time
Speaker 1: I was leaving my parents. There has a farm. And
Speaker 1: one night I was talked with a friend mine after
Speaker 1: we had got dinner and we all met in the
Speaker 1: club and uh, and when I was walking and I
Speaker 1: look in the above the olive us a big light light.
Speaker 1: I look at that. That was strange, you know, and
Speaker 1: I think I let me call my friend for it
Speaker 1: looked that light too, and I just run his house
Speaker 1: it's not far away, and I knocked the door. The
Speaker 1: came the muddiest, and he goes, oh, he left already,
Speaker 1: and I came back for the same way, and uh,
Speaker 1: and I look and the light, that big light still
Speaker 1: in the top of the olive us and I just
Speaker 1: ran to the club and I saw him and I said,
Speaker 1: come on, I want to show you something. And we
Speaker 1: both this is real close because that town about one
Speaker 1: thousand people, so it's not it's a village, you know.
Speaker 1: And uh, and that moment we just run there and
Speaker 1: I tell you, there was a big light, a big light.
Speaker 1: When we go almost in the close to the light,
Speaker 1: we look and there was not anymore white light. It's yellow,
Speaker 1: and there was not just stand in the top, all
Speaker 1: of us, but just toff move in the top. They
Speaker 1: have no noise, they have nothing. And we keep just
Speaker 1: looking over there. And it's funny because that thing we
Speaker 1: even don't know in that time, the world UFO. And
Speaker 1: we look at each other and say, what what is that?
Speaker 1: You know? And both me and my friend we don't.
Speaker 1: We don't know. After that we start looking in the
Speaker 1: newspaper and that time we find the world Well PORTRAITSVNI.
Speaker 1: They go, it's a UFO and they say, oh, it
Speaker 1: looks like the same thing we saw in that all
Speaker 1: of us. After a while, I don't know. That was
Speaker 1: the next night I started a dream, A little strange dreams,
Speaker 1: and the one that One funny thing is after that night,
Speaker 1: I'm start it's about all that kind of different religions,
Speaker 1: you know, and in the school, especially the history class.
Speaker 1: I was in the sixth or seventh grade, and I
Speaker 1: see something there was not to write in the in
Speaker 1: that story that when we talk about the pyrems and
Speaker 1: we'll talk about all that stuff, and says something is missing,
Speaker 1: you know. And I know that this is about that light.
Speaker 1: You have connection with that light. All the nights I
Speaker 1: got to the bed and the start right down. I
Speaker 1: read the Bible and another manuscript. Everything I can get
Speaker 1: it all the time. I think there's some connections between
Speaker 1: the light and all that. After a while, I was
Speaker 1: they starts happening. Another strange thing is I recalled the
Speaker 1: vibrations that when I start at night, when I go
Speaker 1: to the bed, I start feeling like tingling in my
Speaker 1: feet and they go all up to the lakes. And
Speaker 1: when they come all the day up all that, I
Speaker 1: can't move anymore my legs. After that they come real
Speaker 1: fast get my body, all my body and I can move,
Speaker 1: and I remember I was screaming for call my parents.
Speaker 1: Any sounds come out, and I don't know a long time,
Speaker 1: I always sticked like that. After a while, that can
Speaker 1: just disappear and I wake up from the bed, run
Speaker 1: to the room my parents, and I will scream and
Speaker 1: this girl keep going not I don't know, maybe two
Speaker 1: times a month or something like that. And after a while,
Speaker 1: I was when I moved to the high school because
Speaker 1: it's a village and we must go studying to another
Speaker 1: another city, and it was like I don't need minds.
Speaker 1: But it's around twenty five kilometer from the from mine town.
Speaker 1: We take a bus and what's happening is Sunday, like
Speaker 1: Wednesdays in the afternoon. We have no school in the
Speaker 1: afternoon and like twelve twenty is the last class and
Speaker 1: we have just the bus, like six thirty pm. And
Speaker 1: I must wait for the bus or we will got beside.
Speaker 1: Some friends were walking and we go to the one
Speaker 1: road is the road that may Lisbon to Spain. We
Speaker 1: asked for right and one day I was with a
Speaker 1: friend mine and we have a black kind kid deal,
Speaker 1: you know, wes for right we go next to the
Speaker 1: driver that kind thing. And uh. One day I was
Speaker 1: with a friend mine and I asked for right, and
Speaker 1: then come up a nice black, real nice car, and
Speaker 1: the stop and I look inside the car and to
Speaker 1: the driver for as all right, And he doesn't say nothing.
Speaker 1: He just said, come come inside, come inside. And I
Speaker 1: go inside next to the drive, and uh, my friend
Speaker 1: go in the backseat and they start driving. And the
Speaker 1: first question he did what surprised me. He turned to
Speaker 1: me and said, without nothing, He just said, what are
Speaker 1: you thinking about the Bermuda tri Angle. I look at
Speaker 1: him quite stranger, what kind of question is that? But
Speaker 1: he even doesn't wait for the for the answer. He
Speaker 1: started talking about anscient civilizations, about aliens. We doesn't talk
Speaker 1: anything more. You're just keeping talking talking, talk about dimensions,
Speaker 1: talk about DNA. What I said, what is DNA? You know?
Speaker 1: I was, Well, he keep talking talking until he drives
Speaker 1: to our town. And that moment it just dropped my
Speaker 1: friend and you go to and the stop in the
Speaker 1: front of the farm of my father. My father was
Speaker 1: exactly the place where I saw that light with my friend,
Speaker 1: and he just told me, okay, now you go if
Speaker 1: you can read three different books. I don't remember too.
Speaker 1: I just remember one one there was a UFOs in
Speaker 1: Fatima and I said okay, okay, But then that time
Speaker 1: is real. I got that book and they said okay, goodbye,
Speaker 1: and he left. After a while, I don't know a
Speaker 1: long time. But after a while I was with another
Speaker 1: friend in the same in the same spot and asked
Speaker 1: for right. There must be another Wednesday. And that was
Speaker 1: my turn to ask for right. After a couple of
Speaker 1: cars become a black car. I don't realize that was
Speaker 1: the same and he's just stopped and he turned the
Speaker 1: window and on and I look inside and I said, oh,
Speaker 1: the same person, and he asked me for from the inside.
Speaker 1: I go next to him. But in this time we
Speaker 1: have another young gentleman behind the seat of the driver.
Speaker 1: And my friend was with next sit down next to him,
Speaker 1: and he start right away start all over, talk about
Speaker 1: and civilizations, talk about alien stuff, about UFOs, all relations all.
Speaker 1: He must think, Okay, let's go tell this kid all
Speaker 1: the story again. And he keeps talking, talking, talking, And
Speaker 1: when we got at the town, he just dropped my
Speaker 1: friend and he dropped me and said and they say
Speaker 1: goodbye and say one day we'll go see again. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know if we saw again. But
Speaker 1: and he just left the next morning. Oh, in the
Speaker 1: stock bus. I was over there and then turned my friend.
Speaker 1: And that's just when the story comes a little strange,
Speaker 1: because he said, I was in the front. I have
Speaker 1: not a good look to the to the another man,
Speaker 1: and he said, hey, there was a real strange you
Speaker 1: know that guy I w was sit down, I say,
Speaker 1: good afternoon. Even just look at me. He just keeps straight,
Speaker 1: look to the front all the way. He doesn't say
Speaker 1: one word, doesn't look at me nothing. And another thing
Speaker 1: was strange. Yes, it's a It looks like a man
Speaker 1: like twenty five, twenty six years old. He has a
Speaker 1: real that cool sunglasses, and they have the the head
Speaker 1: it's like cut like he was in the army. And
Speaker 1: he has a black suit. Matter of fact, I forget
Speaker 1: I tell you the man. They have a black suit too.
Speaker 1: But he said it looks like it's a black suit
Speaker 1: or real real die bullsuit. When I look at him,
Speaker 1: really what I scare me a little bit. It's the face.
Speaker 1: The face is the skin. It looks like too white.
Speaker 1: That's what my friend said. I was not certainly there
Speaker 1: was what a toy. It was a man. But he
Speaker 1: doesn't move, It doesn't say nothing. And he said, well,
Speaker 1: when I I come out from the car, I say okay,
Speaker 1: bye bye. Even just look at me, it just stayed
Speaker 1: the same position. It does move all all the way.
Speaker 1: And this is why my friend told me and one
Speaker 1: another things happened too. Since I saw that light that night,
Speaker 1: it's sometimes I was there. Still happened with me. Now
Speaker 1: I was at home, and I started a feeling I
Speaker 1: must go in someplace. Usually it's the it's the same place,
Speaker 1: and might just walk over there. And when I'm walking,
Speaker 1: I'm stay over there. And with that feeling, I must
Speaker 1: be there. I don't know why. And after a while
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. There was ten minutes, however, I have that
Speaker 1: feeling I must live in. And nothing happened, you know.
Speaker 1: The most of the time, nothing happened, and I'm just
Speaker 1: I have the same feeling I must be there in
Speaker 1: that place. I must waiting for I don't know what.
Speaker 1: And and after a while I have the feeling I
Speaker 1: must live in. Well, they have another Another thing happened
Speaker 1: to me. There was like the eighties beginning maybe eight
Speaker 1: eighty one, I was with my father and that time portrayal.
Speaker 1: I have just one channel and there was black and white.
Speaker 1: We watched some problem and my father have five dogs.
Speaker 1: We have a farming, we have a cows, and it's
Speaker 1: a farm life. I was watching the TV the show.
Speaker 1: Certainly they all the dogs, not just mine, all the
Speaker 1: dogs around with the neighbors. They sat back and they
Speaker 1: make a lot of noise and say what. I tell
Speaker 1: my father, what's I must go see what's happened? And
Speaker 1: I just walked. When I'm walking out, all the dogs,
Speaker 1: not just mine, even the neighbor's dogs. All they stop
Speaker 1: in the same time. And I was looking and I
Speaker 1: and I don't see the dogs. I call the dogs
Speaker 1: the dogs. It's inside, it's the dog's out. They don't
Speaker 1: want to come out. And do we talk about dogs.
Speaker 1: It's training for finding with wolves because and the for
Speaker 1: being watching the cows. It's a real big dog and
Speaker 1: I we call them. And that moment, I said, look,
Speaker 1: it's really real quiet. Well I don't see anything. And
Speaker 1: I look at the sky and I saw that big
Speaker 1: slender orange slender in the sky. There was so big,
Speaker 1: so big, and I called my father. I asked them
Speaker 1: for come out and look at the sky, that big,
Speaker 1: big light. And in that time, my father I don't
Speaker 1: know what my father was me by knuckles, but I
Speaker 1: think it's binnacles. And I got that. And when I
Speaker 1: will look by the binnacles, what I saw there was
Speaker 1: not just that cylinder, but they have like a like
Speaker 1: a windows, a dark black windows. There was a lot.
Speaker 1: I don't know how many, but there was a lot.
Speaker 1: I give the binnacles to my father. You saw that
Speaker 1: too well, and they'll be looking at that. My father said, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm the inside and I go look the show if
Speaker 1: you want to come, or you won't stay. And I
Speaker 1: was stay for a while. I don't know, maybe thirty
Speaker 1: seconds or twenty second, and I'll go inside again after
Speaker 1: a while. I don't know a long time, but there
Speaker 1: was a short time. All the dogs time make noise,
Speaker 1: and all the cows, all the lives come back again,
Speaker 1: and I go outside and look at the sky called
Speaker 1: nothing was in the sky anymore, and all is normal.
Speaker 1: There was everything normal well after that. I was for
Speaker 1: March nineteen eighty six, I was twenty years old. I
Speaker 1: was with a friends. We ride bicycle and one of
Speaker 1: us our friends said look, it's almost seven pm. And
Speaker 1: I was real close to the farm, my father farm,
Speaker 1: and he said, look, it's almost seven pm. Let's go
Speaker 1: by to dinner. And we met in the club. After
Speaker 1: the dinner, I said, okay, everybody agreed and living I
Speaker 1: started go ride the bicycle. And when I go almost entrance,
Speaker 1: close to the gate of the farm, I looked far
Speaker 1: away and I saw a light that looks like a
Speaker 1: start and I said, what usually it's not a style.
Speaker 1: It's over there, you know. And I was in that time,
Speaker 1: I know already what this venus and the planet. I said, well,
Speaker 1: that is strange. It's a light orange red red orange.
Speaker 1: What I did? I just take the bicycle drive they
Speaker 1: got that road, go to another town and the light
Speaker 1: was stand over there. And when I look at the light,
Speaker 1: it just the pier. The light was in my left side,
Speaker 1: and the pier and the pier again my right side,
Speaker 1: but a little far away. I just grabbed the bicycle
Speaker 1: start drive the bicycle just a little bit, and the
Speaker 1: light the peer again and the pier for the other
Speaker 1: side of the road, and I'm looking and that moment
Speaker 1: it's the pier again and the peer from the right
Speaker 1: left to right, but a little far away, and that
Speaker 1: moment just the pier forever. And I look at the
Speaker 1: clerk and say it's seven forty five. I say seven
Speaker 1: forty five. They can't be seven forty five. What I did?
Speaker 1: I go back again with the bicycle and I'd stop
Speaker 1: in the front of the gate of my father firm
Speaker 1: and just I'll go do all around everything to tell that.
Speaker 1: And they take me less than five minutes. And well,
Speaker 1: I don't know, and I at that time and even
Speaker 1: now I can explain what will happen and that that's
Speaker 1: thirty five minutes. And it's funny because when I come
Speaker 1: to United States nineteen eighty seven, I was leaving Connecticut.
Speaker 1: I was met some group the move out and one
Speaker 1: day I have a meeting with in house Miss Anastasia,
Speaker 1: Connecticut book plays, and there was about missing time. There
Speaker 1: was my first time in nineteen eighty seven when I
Speaker 1: listened about missing time, and people have all not the
Speaker 1: same but almost the same experience about time. Was the
Speaker 1: time gone that? Well? After that, all the time passed
Speaker 1: and I'm still at that dreams and that calls I
Speaker 1: must go move for some place and stay in that place.
Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety eight, I think I'm going back to my country.
Speaker 1: And I was living in the in the city name
Speaker 1: everyday it's a capital of the state capital. And I
Speaker 1: bought a farm and I was leaving the farm, and
Speaker 1: I was keeping the book and the studied about the
Speaker 1: relations everything. And one day I was going to a
Speaker 1: call that kind of calls strange calls. Matter of fact.
Speaker 1: I was almost going the bed and I got that call.
Speaker 1: I'm just stand up and bring the There was no
Speaker 1: book yet, but it was the pages and I go
Speaker 1: bring all the pages and I'm just going that place
Speaker 1: that's and I'm just sit down over there. And that
Speaker 1: night there was real different that happened. And another night
Speaker 1: and what's happening is I was there and I have
Speaker 1: that feeling somebody be watching me, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: but I can't see anything. And that moment I look
Speaker 1: at the sky and it looks like as a doom
Speaker 1: and all the sky there was a strange because I
Speaker 1: know some constellations and I can I can't find any constellations.
Speaker 1: I know, you know, I'll be looking. At that moment,
Speaker 1: I saw four shadows beings in the front of me.
Speaker 1: There was like I don't know about two meters far
Speaker 1: with it and there was it's a shadows, but you
Speaker 1: can figure out there were they have two tall ones
Speaker 1: and two small ones and they look at me and
Speaker 1: that moment I I just stopped with them and say, okay,
Speaker 1: it is the page of the book. What I'm just
Speaker 1: doing all my life, I'll be doing this when I'm
Speaker 1: doing next. And there was for more strange, it looks
Speaker 1: like I have that message that was not like talking,
Speaker 1: but it's like telperty something like that. And they said,
Speaker 1: I think I think they were from the left side.
Speaker 1: The whole one said the book was not finished yet
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna finish. I don't need help for some lady,
Speaker 1: and and that like they go be helped me, just
Speaker 1: finish with the book and I go meta pretty soon.
Speaker 1: It looks like strange because after a while I was
Speaker 1: in that time, I was working after Casualty lab and
Speaker 1: U and they came a new employee, and there was
Speaker 1: definitely and we started. Matter of fact, we start date
Speaker 1: and you later we get married and you gotta a girl.
Speaker 1: Well when we're talking and she will show interest about that.
Speaker 1: And they said, look, I can help you because I
Speaker 1: can work with the computer. I can help you. Okay,
Speaker 1: what she did she take? You know, all is in
Speaker 1: the pages she writes in the computer helped me and
Speaker 1: and funny thing, they helped me find Portuguese associations. You
Speaker 1: have for Portuguese associations. I am at the president of
Speaker 1: the associations and one day call him and we go
Speaker 1: met in Lisbon and he asked me, if you want
Speaker 1: we have a meeting the last Saturdays every month in Lisbon,
Speaker 1: and they gave me the address. If you want to
Speaker 1: go over there, just go and listening to other people
Speaker 1: if you want them. You can talk about your experience too.
Speaker 1: I said, okay, one day I'll be there. And after
Speaker 1: a while, one day there was lost the lady, the
Speaker 1: famous lady, Brazilian lady. It is a doctor Jill the
Speaker 1: Moore and she was us that night, I know, and
Speaker 1: there was about adoptees and I go, I go with
Speaker 1: my wife. I take that my daughter. I remember she
Speaker 1: was so young, she was the smalk yet and well
Speaker 1: I'm listing doctor Jilda Morris talking about adoptees and what
Speaker 1: they're doing. They do in the middle, like after two
Speaker 1: hours they have a break, and that moment something in
Speaker 1: my mind, my brain, you know, I call unlock, you know,
Speaker 1: And I started remember one thing I never forget after
Speaker 1: that day. And what I remember is I can't tell
Speaker 1: if nothing really happened. But what I remember is one
Speaker 1: thing I know. They in my brain forever I saw.
Speaker 1: I was inside. They looks like a ship. I was
Speaker 1: walking and the wall it's all light, and they have
Speaker 1: when I walk. I don't see it with my eyes,
Speaker 1: but I feel they have some sun beams. Just follow me.
Speaker 1: Next real next to me, and I was walking and
Speaker 1: I look in the room. There was a room, empty room.
Speaker 1: In the end of that room. They have a lighter
Speaker 1: windows and it's all dark and we can't see nothing
Speaker 1: outside doing them well, I keep we keep walking, and
Speaker 1: I saw in my right side again another another room,
Speaker 1: another empty room. I'm looking and I keep walking that
Speaker 1: I don't know there was the terry room or another room.
Speaker 1: I look and I saw like a child and all
Speaker 1: the child look at me, and I look at them,
Speaker 1: and I stopped and look and there was all kind
Speaker 1: each of childs. Matter of fact, they have was two
Speaker 1: young childs. They were so young, and they play with
Speaker 1: the tubes and they have like red air and another
Speaker 1: another shadow the olders they look at me, and I
Speaker 1: remember they have a child with maybe twelve years old.
Speaker 1: They have a yellow air, and they have another girl
Speaker 1: looks like the American neatives. And she looked at me
Speaker 1: and I look at her, look at it looks like
Speaker 1: I know this girl from somewhere. And the funny thing,
Speaker 1: it's all all the dress. It's like the Tonics, white tonics.
Speaker 1: There's no shoes. And I look at that girl and okay,
Speaker 1: after that, I keep walking and it's none. I don't
Speaker 1: remember anything more. Well, one day and I think in
Speaker 1: my mind and see what what's the real happened? This
Speaker 1: happened or there was just imagination of my brainworking what
Speaker 1: really happened? But I know there was different. And one
Speaker 1: day I was I was at the work to think,
Speaker 1: and I think about that, and I said, look because
Speaker 1: one of the most if the thing happened, one of
Speaker 1: the confusion I have is if when they happened, if
Speaker 1: I was a child, I was old already. And I
Speaker 1: figure out when I look at that child, that girl,
Speaker 1: she must have maybe eleven twelve years old too. I
Speaker 1: was looking eyes to eyes. That means I must be
Speaker 1: a child too, But I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 1: what really happened that day, you know, okay, with another
Speaker 1: Another thing happened to me. There was the September two
Speaker 1: thousand eleven, and I was with my my wife and
Speaker 1: my mal fad was my ex wife before, and with
Speaker 1: my my daughter, and there was no cars in that world,
Speaker 1: just us, and we start, I said, I asked her
Speaker 1: if I see some lights like blue, red and white
Speaker 1: and but in the back of the car and when
Speaker 1: she drives, and I asked her if she can't see
Speaker 1: that lights, and she said, I can't see anything, you know,
Speaker 1: But I said, look look at you can see the lights.
Speaker 1: It's almost next to us, and uh, and she'd be
Speaker 1: looking looking and uh. After while, the lights just disappeared
Speaker 1: and everything comes dark again. And it's funny because I
Speaker 1: was just me. I saw that light in that time. Well,
Speaker 1: after a while in the I don't know, I don't remember.
Speaker 1: There was the October two thousand and eight. I was
Speaker 1: guy divorced already and in that time I was day
Speaker 1: treated another girl and that thing happened a real strange
Speaker 1: because I was in the kitchen return we're talking, and
Speaker 1: she started looking very strange to me, in the real
Speaker 1: open eyes and I said, well, what's happened. Something is wrong? No, no,
Speaker 1: she just said no, no, and we have a lunch.
Speaker 1: And after she she said, you know one thing a
Speaker 1: little strange. I look at you and I don't see you.
Speaker 1: What I say was some strange. She really can't describe that.
Speaker 1: And she's just it's strange. It's like a bug of
Speaker 1: whever it is. And okay, and that that's a After
Speaker 1: a couple months we was talking and she stopped and
Speaker 1: she stuppened to look at me again and she said, okay.
Speaker 1: We was in the in the bedroom and she said, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll just go to the kitchen. But something as well, No, no,
Speaker 1: it's okay. Well, and she got the kitchen. I'll just
Speaker 1: follow her and say, what's going on. I know something
Speaker 1: that happened and she said, well, you remember I saw
Speaker 1: that thing that but on you, not you, but another
Speaker 1: few I saw this thing again. And well with the
Speaker 1: sides of that time, we're looking for in the internet
Speaker 1: about different aliens. And she really don't care about this,
Speaker 1: but she blaems something there must be not just us
Speaker 1: in the univest. But she really don't care about that.
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Speaker 1: It's like the same thing I saw when I look
Speaker 1: at you twice. And that was like the infect y
Speaker 1: pipe and the Okay, we just stay like that and
Speaker 1: they don't talk anything more about that, and the and
Speaker 1: we keep gone.
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Speaker 1: Okay, they have another thing happened in the two thousand,
Speaker 1: two thousand and eighteen, and that was happened with my daughter.
Speaker 1: And there was about a missing time too, and I
Speaker 1: was got divorced already, and uh, and my daughter and
Speaker 1: I don't pick up my daughter for the weekend. And
Speaker 1: we go to my my parents and grand and we
Speaker 1: got a dinner and we play a little big cards
Speaker 1: and and there was a little late and I said, okay,
Speaker 1: we'll we're leaving because this Sunday, my sister and her
Speaker 1: husband they must be a wake up in the morning
Speaker 1: early for work. We just leaving. And yeah, from that
Speaker 1: town to the city where I live. In every they
Speaker 1: have three different roads. One it's forty five kilometers, another
Speaker 1: one forty two, and this one we always stay. There
Speaker 1: was twenty nine. It's close to the farm. But that
Speaker 1: that road is a little danger road because it's not
Speaker 1: to eye the road and you have a lot of
Speaker 1: wild sports living over there. You must be real slow
Speaker 1: with the car. Well, and we left from the house,
Speaker 1: my parents' house, and when we got it at that road,
Speaker 1: I look at the watch of the car. There was
Speaker 1: eleven pm. And matter of fact, my daughter looked too,
Speaker 1: and the yeah, yes, eleven eleven pm. It's not the lake.
Speaker 1: And okay, I want to go try tell you how
Speaker 1: this world is. First, if you got another car come
Speaker 1: come to you. You must give like f road quite
Speaker 1: for another time, another f road for yours. So you
Speaker 1: can go past through, because I have a lot of
Speaker 1: curves over there, and we must go inside on a
Speaker 1: small village. All the main the main street, they have
Speaker 1: a three big bumps. They have two stops, and they
Speaker 1: have another bump after the village, whereas the entrance to
Speaker 1: the cemetery. Okay, and when they passed all that, if
Speaker 1: you see in the left side, you saw the lights
Speaker 1: from the city in the eva because it's in the
Speaker 1: ill and you can see a little far away. Well,
Speaker 1: that night it was real different. We come, we stop.
Speaker 1: Usually we stop in the little ill and a little
Speaker 1: bit and they talk about the stars and the school.
Speaker 1: Usually we stop over there. Okay, well it's eleven o'clock.
Speaker 1: I drive and certainly I looked. I look at my
Speaker 1: left side and I said, well, I talked to my daughter.
Speaker 1: Well there was lights already. Ever the lights, and there
Speaker 1: was so close. It's about a mile from the city.
Speaker 1: I say, what, I don't see that light before the
Speaker 1: lights from the city. And the funny thing, my daughters
Speaker 1: asked me, I don't remember we passed the village, you know,
Speaker 1: and we must real part because we must be real slow.
Speaker 1: And that time funny thing when you look at the
Speaker 1: clark there was eleven eleven twelve, there was just past
Speaker 1: twelve minutes. I said, what is impossible we drive that
Speaker 1: around in twelve minutes twenty nine kilometers. It's too many
Speaker 1: obstacles for we must be slow. And my daughter turned
Speaker 1: to me and said, look that what were we talking
Speaker 1: about all this this time? And I was in my
Speaker 1: mind said well something will be happened or that was
Speaker 1: happened here, and my daughter turned to me. He asked me, well,
Speaker 1: we don't stop in the air. You're always stopping the
Speaker 1: old except the rain days or rain nights. I have
Speaker 1: no answer for her. And I said, look, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll maybe were sleeping or something. And so now
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not remember I'll be sleeping as well.
Speaker 1: And I tried, not scared and just start with that
Speaker 1: or talking what's what's happened that night? And but it
Speaker 1: was funny because the next month when or we go
Speaker 1: someplace far away, and she turned to me and she
Speaker 1: has that time just eleven years old, and she said, look,
Speaker 1: you know, because i'm a driver's sold and then she said,
Speaker 1: I hope we have another thing happened by that night.
Speaker 1: You know, you can really go fast. And this thing
Speaker 1: is still in my mind, and so what's will happen
Speaker 1: in that night? Well, in twenty nineteen, usually I was
Speaker 1: going there in the place they have a Dolmen and
Speaker 1: I stay. I say, over there, and a lot of
Speaker 1: things I saw over there, and I like, it's a
Speaker 1: quiet place. And my dog until that day she was
Speaker 1: she liked go over there with me. And one night
Speaker 1: my son is already the United States, and I got
Speaker 1: a call for him. When I was there next to
Speaker 1: the Dolman and I was leaving. I just talked with
Speaker 1: him by in the cell phone, and she stayed right
Speaker 1: in the front of the dominant. When the call is over,
Speaker 1: I walked next to her and she turned to me
Speaker 1: and said, Okay, let's go. I don't want to stay
Speaker 1: here anymore. I s, why, no, No, I don't want
Speaker 1: to stay here anymore. I said, okay, let's go. Okay.
Speaker 1: I was drived to home. When I go almost to
Speaker 1: the at home, my daughter turned to me and said,
Speaker 1: you know, why I'm on leaving that place, because when
Speaker 1: you was talking with you with my brother on cellphone,
Speaker 1: I look inside the Dolmen and all the domant the
Speaker 1: inside the Dolmen, they come alike. There was a small
Speaker 1: light and all filled the inside the Dolmen, and I
Speaker 1: look in my back. Maybe there was a car, but no,
Speaker 1: it's a ranch. No roads in that area. And when
Speaker 1: I look again, I say, and looked at that light,
Speaker 1: and the instantly just appear. Everything comes dark again. And
Speaker 1: from that day you liked over that day. But I
Speaker 1: can convince her go at night because she will scared.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's happened that night, but she's real
Speaker 1: scared about that place. You know. I think another thing
Speaker 1: happened to me. There was in the twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: they're still in partial. I was at I will go
Speaker 1: to sleep, and I was in the in the bed already,
Speaker 1: and all the bedroom is dark. In that moment, under
Speaker 1: the window, the window it was closed, I saw a
Speaker 1: small light come through the wall and stop under the window.
Speaker 1: I look at that and I stayed sit down in
Speaker 1: the bed, looked at that light, and they come another
Speaker 1: one from the same place, and stay next that one
Speaker 1: and after the second they come to another one. There
Speaker 1: was three lights and I just look at the lights.
Speaker 1: The three light that's real small lights. And the lights
Speaker 1: start like I don't know if you say, fly all
Speaker 1: three together, and they start going around to the bed
Speaker 1: and I'm just looking at that light and say, what's
Speaker 1: going on the weapon? They start my right side and
Speaker 1: they go turn to the bed to the left side,
Speaker 1: and they look at that the light and that moment
Speaker 1: all the same time, it looks like they was all together.
Speaker 1: They come down and they go back again for the
Speaker 1: same place and they start moving again around around the bed.
Speaker 1: They start under the window and just go through the
Speaker 1: hall and just leaving. I stand up. I just turned
Speaker 1: the light on and just look around the bedroom. Nothing
Speaker 1: was different. Just turn the light off and I'm just sleeping.
Speaker 1: And then well about my about my daughter twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: she called me after a while that thing to me
Speaker 1: about after three four months. And when she called me that,
Speaker 1: and one day I was picked up. I was in
Speaker 1: the drive and she turned to me saying, you know
Speaker 1: that one night I saw my ex wife. They called
Speaker 1: me already and when you talk with her to try
Speaker 1: if she can't explain what's happened. But she just told
Speaker 1: me that after months after you know, my mother told
Speaker 1: me for talk with you about this stuff. I was
Speaker 1: in the bed and I look and there was a shadow,
Speaker 1: a tall shadon next to the window. And I was afraid,
Speaker 1: but I was keeping looking that shadon. Well, I don't
Speaker 1: remember they left, that's the pier. I don't remember nothing.
Speaker 1: But in the morning I have a picture about that.
Speaker 1: She has a mark like two three doubles at the
Speaker 1: top of the neck. In that morning, my ex wife
Speaker 1: take her pictures and that thing they will stay for
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't remember anymore. There was two
Speaker 1: three days and just one just the way it disappeared.
Speaker 1: After that, one night she wakes up and she goes
Speaker 1: to the the lady room and this some like floating diamonds,
Speaker 1: she said, she called like that and she starts floating
Speaker 1: around there and they were all in that room and
Speaker 1: she's just walking and go to the bed and she said, oh,
Speaker 1: nothing will happen. I don't know what's up to that time,
Speaker 1: and with me and do with my daughter, just keep
Speaker 1: doing stuff, you know, And like I said, this all
Speaker 1: my life. And that's the funny thing. Is because there
Speaker 1: was not with just me. And one day we talked
Speaker 1: about because this is the second it's the second book
Speaker 1: a while, it's the same, but it's in English. In
Speaker 1: twenty ten I was they come at Ubert second twenty ten,
Speaker 1: that was the first, the book coming portraits. And now
Speaker 1: this year they can in English, the book coming English.
Speaker 1: I remember now what funny thing in the two thousand
Speaker 1: and eleven October twenty ten and I was go to
Speaker 1: that dolmen and I will sit down over there and
Speaker 1: now with the book, not with the pages. And I
Speaker 1: was going the top of the dolmen and I said,
Speaker 1: look it's done, and now what's happened? What's going to
Speaker 1: be happened next? And it looks like so stupid the
Speaker 1: top by myself, and I was waiting and that moment,
Speaker 1: this looks strange. But when I look for the stars,
Speaker 1: I have something come in my mind, like between nine
Speaker 1: nine thirty pm, I have that, not just the feeling.
Speaker 1: There was this like teleparty. Something said is the thing
Speaker 1: is not done yet a lot of things will be
Speaker 1: happened the book. And it's funny because the thing said
Speaker 1: that the book they're gonna be around the world. I
Speaker 1: just think that I was confused because it's not a voice,
Speaker 1: it's just telepeity. And after a couple of years and
Speaker 1: I come back here to United States, and the things
Speaker 1: keep going. You know, well, and this is the part
Speaker 1: of the mind story. You know, all the things happen.
Speaker 1: For now, I believe the things doesn't start with that
Speaker 1: night with my friend those genders so that light. But
Speaker 1: the things happened when I was But from when I
Speaker 1: was one month old, my parents moved to German and
Speaker 1: I would just come back with pro portrayally ten years old.
Speaker 1: And some strange stuffs happen over there too, and my
Speaker 1: parents sometimes talking about that, okay. And the one thing
Speaker 1: funny is, well, when the book come out and we
Speaker 1: have a I'm a dinner a couple days after, and
Speaker 1: I have my uncle and my and my aunt and
Speaker 1: we start talking about some mystery and about the book,
Speaker 1: and they come that time I realized I was not
Speaker 1: the first one in the family. My grandmother has that
Speaker 1: paralys vibrations too, was she She died a long time ago.
Speaker 1: But my uncle and my aunt and my mother to
Speaker 1: start talking about that. And funny thing is my aunt
Speaker 1: turned to my uncle and said, you know Manuel, you
Speaker 1: remember when I was was kids and was in the
Speaker 1: bed and one day we saw a small lights, yellow lights.
Speaker 1: They come from the roof the ceiling and they start dancing,
Speaker 1: and they said, they start dancing around to the bed,
Speaker 1: and my uncle said, oh yeah, I remember that. And
Speaker 1: my uncle said, and you remember in another house, we
Speaker 1: are playing in the bedroom and they come to that
Speaker 1: small lights, real small, he said, yellow. I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: Now they start dancing around us and they just left.
Speaker 1: But that time they come from the wall and they
Speaker 1: just after they didn't dance around hers, they just left
Speaker 1: through the wall. My uncle said. One of the thing
Speaker 1: real strange. There's so many lights and they make so
Speaker 1: many maneuvers and they don't touch each other. And after
Speaker 1: that they're leaving. Well, And that moment I figure out
Speaker 1: I was not the first, and they think can be
Speaker 1: in the line of my family looks like nine daughter
Speaker 1: too now and I don't know why to go beyond
Speaker 1: if when they if she has the kids, if they
Speaker 1: keep going or not. I was talking about dot Jildomoa
Speaker 1: and when I met her after a while, I asked
Speaker 1: her if she can make like agreassion because I won't
Speaker 1: really know what's happened nineteen eighty six, that missing time
Speaker 1: and that time there was not happened when I talked
Speaker 1: with her, there was not happen yet with my daughter
Speaker 1: that twelve minutes and she really made that and we go,
Speaker 1: we make a schedule for the creations. I record that creations.
Speaker 1: After we did the creation, I suppose do another one,
Speaker 1: but they come the Covie time and were not did.
Speaker 1: And after that she left to Brazil and we'll be talking.
Speaker 1: But I wish I can do more special that twelve minutes.
Speaker 1: What's different because when I was in ninety eighty six,
Speaker 1: I feel I have a missing time thirty five minutes.
Speaker 1: And the case with my daughter there was different. There
Speaker 1: was not missing, but they have ahead of the time
Speaker 1: because it's impossible we did that in twelve minutes. That
Speaker 1: was different. Okay, when I did the de creations, what
Speaker 1: they show in degrestions, there was night and I started
Speaker 1: saw a light and as I saw that light come
Speaker 1: close close to me, floating and suspend off the ground.
Speaker 1: Looks and I'm going through that light. I don't remember nothing.
Speaker 1: If you have not decressons, I'm not remember nothing. This
Speaker 1: this happened after I was inside the light. I was
Speaker 1: on the table and they have a small beings. One
Speaker 1: was in the my right side, another one in the
Speaker 1: left side, and they have one big one a little
Speaker 1: far away. And I remember they have something like a
Speaker 1: window not to be gwind on. And in the on
Speaker 1: the top of me. I remember they have like a
Speaker 1: light yellow light point to me, to my body, and
Speaker 1: that moment I don't because I asked after the recasion,
Speaker 1: I asked to dotor Regilda, what I saw is wonder
Speaker 1: that great being. They come so close to my face
Speaker 1: look at me. And I asked to doctor Gilda, why
Speaker 1: quite they do that? And she said, usually it's when
Speaker 1: we are so scary, and they do that for you.
Speaker 1: Come down and relax. I remember that in the hour
Speaker 1: on the table and my legs it's all open and
Speaker 1: they have not pens. I start feeling some pain, not
Speaker 1: not real all that, but a little pain in my navel.
Speaker 1: And after that I start feel pain in my genital
Speaker 1: ordance and and I don't remember I saw a yellow light.
Speaker 1: They start They start next fine genital organs until in
Speaker 1: the middle of the lakes a yellow light. Okay, when
Speaker 1: I was next that two beans, that small beans, one
Speaker 1: left another in the right side me. I saw another bean,
Speaker 1: but a different one, and it comes not too close
Speaker 1: to me, maybe mid and a half two meters, and
Speaker 1: they look at me and and that moment it was
Speaker 1: different because the eyes is not in the front. It's
Speaker 1: black eyes too, but it's in the different position, the
Speaker 1: eyes and the yeah, like it's closed. It's like a tunic,
Speaker 1: you know, a road. They just look and just turn
Speaker 1: and just walking away. And that bean looks like that
Speaker 1: type they in the Ufo area they called insect tide.
Speaker 1: And after that, I just remember I was in the
Speaker 1: bar room and the walls start turned to ping and blue,
Speaker 1: blue and pink. After that, I just remember I was
Speaker 1: on the road again and see that like going and
Speaker 1: that's it, just as was the creations. And that's just
Speaker 1: the main story of my life about UFOs.
Speaker 2: Antonio. What a fascinating story.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 2: And all this began in a little town in Portugal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they think that happened over there. There's sometimes that
Speaker 1: they happening year nine, state two.
Speaker 2: So really these experiences have completely followed you throughout your
Speaker 2: whole life, and not including yourself. But your father had
Speaker 2: a sighting with you your son to your daughter.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And the one thing I saw is when
Speaker 1: the people come too close to me, like my ex girlfriend,
Speaker 1: they start saw the things too. You know. That's a lot,
Speaker 1: a lot of questions and the answers.
Speaker 2: You know, it's usually the way you started your hypnotic
Speaker 2: regression in twenty nineteen, and that was Dr Gilder.
Speaker 1: Yeah, doctor Jilda Moore, she worked with the with John
Speaker 1: mack here in the United States.
Speaker 2: That's right. You began having these regressions, and obviously COVID happened,
Speaker 2: and then that for a spanner in the works for that.
Speaker 2: Did you specifically touch on the mister two notable times
Speaker 2: you had missing time, which was nineteen eighty six and
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: Yes, because you know about nineteen eighty six, my friend said,
Speaker 1: because I don't know nothink about missing time. I even
Speaker 1: doesn't know the world UFO. Just later, and when I
Speaker 1: look at the watch, it's seven forty five pm. And
Speaker 1: this is why I'm sure about the time. And when
Speaker 1: I was with my daughter, we show because both look
Speaker 1: at the watch. I look at the watching the car watch,
Speaker 1: and she'll had the cell phone. There was eleven pm.
Speaker 1: And when we remember again was in the road. There
Speaker 1: was eleven twelve, twelve minutes after and that's it's impossible
Speaker 1: that road. Sometimes I said, I give ten thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: which one driver can't do that with all that obstacles
Speaker 1: in twelve minutes, it's impossible. And there was good. There
Speaker 1: was another people with me, you know, because something happened
Speaker 1: that my daughter asked me that I don't remember. We
Speaker 1: go pass through that village. I don't remember what we're
Speaker 1: talking about all this way, you know, and especially we
Speaker 1: stopping that tale. We don't remember nothing. But it's different.
Speaker 2: You're thinking of having more regression. What experience are you
Speaker 2: thinking to explore.
Speaker 1: One of them? Is this one the twelve minutes and
Speaker 1: another one nineteen eighty six? I don't think. So it's
Speaker 1: that cogreation the doctor children what I think, Doctor JULDI
Speaker 1: there was the first one when I saw that white light,
Speaker 1: you know, and after that I with my friends because
Speaker 1: in that time, I can tell you the different times
Speaker 1: there was between I saw the first time and until
Speaker 1: my friends come with me and both sew the the light,
Speaker 1: you know. But you know, because the age when the
Speaker 1: regression looks like I have like ten maybe twelve years old,
Speaker 1: but it looks like I was a kid, you know,
Speaker 1: and ninety eighty six, I have twenty years old already,
Speaker 1: And of course now there was a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: Sure, So it could be that there's things that have
Speaker 2: happened that you know, you don't remember, and with regression
Speaker 2: you can go back, especially when you were younger, to
Speaker 2: see what happened.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and that time when the light with my friend,
Speaker 1: I was thinking there was the first time. But I
Speaker 1: start thinking about things happened in German when I was
Speaker 1: a real kid, and for strange things, and I asked
Speaker 1: my parents and to my family they lived in German too.
Speaker 1: Anybody knows that because I have one parents. And this
Speaker 1: is funny thing is I was remembered just as small.
Speaker 1: Remember it's I was walking with my father. This is
Speaker 1: in German, and I have like five years old or
Speaker 1: less than that. I walked between the trees and the
Speaker 1: parking and I asked my mother. I said, I was sick,
Speaker 1: or what's happened when my father walked with me in
Speaker 1: the park. Almost every day I remember that, And my
Speaker 1: mother said, I don't remember nothing that and even my
Speaker 1: cousin said the same and my aunt, well, we remember
Speaker 1: your father will walk with you in the parking. Like
Speaker 1: I said, sometimes we have something in the brain. It's locked.
Speaker 1: Whatever they're doing, they like that stuff. And for some reason,
Speaker 1: like they happened in that meeting the name of the
Speaker 1: think it apo with the fielder and they come unlock
Speaker 1: the brain and just start. I remember something happened, and
Speaker 1: I have that little frame about walking with my father.
Speaker 1: And one day I was watching a movie. This happened
Speaker 1: here in Modestine. I watched the movie. I don't know
Speaker 1: the name of the movie, but it was with Tom Hanks.
Speaker 1: That's something here about mafia and it's a movie and
Speaker 1: the Tom Anks look at the mirror and when he
Speaker 1: turned this is in the movie. And I watched the
Speaker 1: movie and that moment, that little frame I have about
Speaker 1: the man with me in the park they come unlock
Speaker 1: another little frame, and I never forget that little frame
Speaker 1: and that moment I understand why nobody remember I was
Speaker 1: walking with my father, because I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: it's real or not, but they never was my father
Speaker 1: that man. And then I'll explain why that little friend
Speaker 1: come out. When I saw that movie, that part of
Speaker 1: the movie and I remember I look and I said, oh,
Speaker 1: how much. Now they'll stay here up until one o'clock
Speaker 1: in the morning, because I call the in Portugal it's nine,
Speaker 1: and I'll call my mother and I want to ask
Speaker 1: you some stuff like the clothes, my father where and
Speaker 1: who I was in German, you know. But it was
Speaker 1: that kind of question. I know the answer ready, you know.
Speaker 1: And I wait till one o'clock in the morning. And
Speaker 1: I called my mother, and I want to be real
Speaker 1: careful because my mother understands something about yeah, for an alien.
Speaker 1: She tried to say, I don't remember. She denied the
Speaker 1: muster things. I don't know why, but she did that.
Speaker 1: And I asked my mother, oh, let's go talk again
Speaker 1: about that walking in the parking. She said, I don't remember, okay,
Speaker 1: And I believe because nobody And I said, you know,
Speaker 1: even my father used when go walking in the parking
Speaker 1: or go someplace without without work, used like laddle gloves.
Speaker 1: And my mother said no, she just used the gloves
Speaker 1: for working. And I said, look, what about the head,
Speaker 1: And I just described the head that man ass and
Speaker 1: she said, but I know that She goes said no,
Speaker 1: she said, no, no, they use all that kind of
Speaker 1: type of the Portuguese men used that kind of type
Speaker 1: of head and said, okay, okay, I remember, and at
Speaker 1: that time my father was real sick and matter of fact,
Speaker 1: it passed away the last name and what I saw
Speaker 1: another frame there was, I was walking with that man
Speaker 1: where I think all my life, I can't believe I
Speaker 1: think this from what was I live in German until
Speaker 1: I yeah, ago Another piece of frame there was. I
Speaker 1: was walking with that man and I pull him because
Speaker 1: I want to run away, and it turned and when
Speaker 1: he turned, the face is not what there was not
Speaker 1: my father. There was a face, a man with like
Speaker 1: seventy five years old, and you know the face, the
Speaker 1: skin in the face, they have more skin for the
Speaker 1: face like you know, and the eyes it's real black.
Speaker 1: And that's it. I don't remember anything more after that,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know that. I don't know. There
Speaker 1: can be just me and thinking and try to find
Speaker 1: out what's happened or something really happened, and it's one
Speaker 1: more time I was missing timer or something happened with me.
Speaker 2: Very interesting, Antonio. And it was always very difficult to
Speaker 2: talk about things like this to your mother. She always
Speaker 2: tried to kind of avoid the subject that she.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I remember when we start talking
Speaker 1: to me and my and my friend sand about that
Speaker 1: and and and we start learning the word the UFO
Speaker 1: because we start reading the newspapers and something happened that
Speaker 1: time in Spain. And uh, when we talk talking with
Speaker 1: the people and everybody left, you know there's ah your
Speaker 1: curage and you know this guy is nuts about UFOs
Speaker 1: and uh, I think this is why my mother tried
Speaker 1: to deny and no one talking for because we live
Speaker 1: in this small town one thousand people and it's not
Speaker 1: a city. Everybody knows everybody. And I think this is
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Speaker 2: When did you first decide you were going to write
Speaker 2: a book, and do you feel that experiences along the
Speaker 2: way have compelled you to write it?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and and always even I don't know the
Speaker 1: word ufo, but always I have that feeling. When I
Speaker 1: saw that, like right away, the next day, I start
Speaker 1: right take things from the Bible from another manuscript, and
Speaker 1: that I know forever they happened that night they changed
Speaker 1: my mind. I was a kid, maybe twelve, after years old,
Speaker 1: become interested about all the religions and the and the
Speaker 1: one funny thing is I take some stuff from the Bible.
Speaker 1: Let's go do the example the Bible, you know, and
Speaker 1: and I can't see my mind, not like religion, but
Speaker 1: like advanced technology from another civilization. And I like that docky,
Speaker 1: that's that shepherd of the Bible. This this, this, this,
Speaker 1: I can give you an example. It's in my book
Speaker 1: when the time the Moses left from a ship, when
Speaker 1: they go in the desert, and they have two angels
Speaker 1: in the front with them, big cloud in the in
Speaker 1: the sky at day and the big light at night.
Speaker 1: When I was a kid, and that thing I look
Speaker 1: at that thing, I do'st see that like a religion.
Speaker 1: What I saw is a technology. And I know something
Speaker 1: happened over there in that night. They change me and
Speaker 1: they teach me. And one thing I have from that
Speaker 1: night is I believe in our time, it's just one time.
Speaker 1: And we talk about seventeens, you know, and in Portugal
Speaker 1: you have just one one channel. And plus it's politic
Speaker 1: all the time because there was the seventy four and
Speaker 1: the war, and it's political all the time. A kid,
Speaker 1: and I tell for my friends, look believe me. We
Speaker 1: have not three times. We have not past present and feud.
Speaker 1: We have just one time, the present, you know. And
Speaker 1: now when I say now, I say after years, you know,
Speaker 1: the scientists you can see now that ideas I have
Speaker 1: been seventeen after I saw the light, and I write
Speaker 1: in the book all that things. I know it's a
Speaker 1: connection because there was so many things different. Why I
Speaker 1: was just a simple kid. I've got like played soccer
Speaker 1: and play with another kid. That's it that's what I
Speaker 1: was after that. Well, I remember some friends might say, look,
Speaker 1: you'll be at home all the time now because it's
Speaker 1: a small town and we stay at at night, like
Speaker 1: two three o'clock in the morning. Nothing happened that in
Speaker 1: that town in bad things.
Speaker 2: You were just a kid. I mean, you're right, it
Speaker 2: was nineteen seventies. You write playing among the olive groves,
Speaker 2: and there's things that you have in your book from
Speaker 2: years and years ago, a lot of stuff we're just
Speaker 2: learning now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's right. It's always I said, for our technology.
Speaker 1: But this is why I learned that night too, technology
Speaker 1: from more advanced Come. Let the take like Bible, we
Speaker 1: always can have the answer in the Bible, but you
Speaker 1: must reading the right in the right term. This is
Speaker 1: why I have a lot of religions, because we can
Speaker 1: read in the Bible in the different different ways. But
Speaker 1: if you read the Bible in the in the way
Speaker 1: of the technology, you find a lot of things, a
Speaker 1: lot of coincidence. The same thing with the people saw
Speaker 1: and I saw that lights what the Moses or is
Speaker 1: the kal or whatever the prophets is, they saw and
Speaker 1: they right in the Bible. We talked just in the Bible.
Speaker 1: If you go talk about India and they talk about
Speaker 1: humanas and all that kind of things, you will see,
Speaker 1: well we think it's new. There was not new one
Speaker 1: thousands thousand years ago. Some civilizations that the same year
Speaker 1: in our planet and they come here for teachers.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah, when you start looking at things like flying
Speaker 2: shields and fiery chariots and look at them as if
Speaker 2: there you know, this technology is what it is. And
Speaker 2: in the case of India, for instance, I mean there's
Speaker 2: still physical effects that you can see in the country.
Speaker 2: Came from the old Sanskrit stories of some kind of
Speaker 2: nuclear event which happened, which you know. Yeah, Antonio, you
Speaker 2: said you have been drawn to sacred sites. What do
Speaker 2: you feel when when you would visit these places? Because
Speaker 2: you went to Fatima? Is that right in Portugal?
Speaker 1: That's right? Yeah. Yeah, when I was and I was
Speaker 1: in Fatima, I was my first picture in the book
Speaker 1: they come in my mind. In Fatima, I was there
Speaker 1: wasn't August, I think, and there was a real art
Speaker 1: and I go, I go to lay down in the
Speaker 1: grass under the tree. In that moment I look at
Speaker 1: the tree, what I saw is out of relations comes
Speaker 1: you know, like we have one religions and after that
Speaker 1: all kinds of different religions. Let they'll see borner come
Speaker 1: from from that beginner. You know, that is what I
Speaker 1: saw in Fatima. But I don't know if you know
Speaker 1: the lady Fina Delmada. There was a famous lady and
Speaker 1: she's studying the Miracle of Fatima. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you if you know about miracle of Fatima. Matter of fact,
Speaker 1: there was happened the miracle Sun. You know, the sun
Speaker 1: dance in Fatima. I don't know if you know about that.
Speaker 2: It's very famous. Let me to explain to the listeners.
Speaker 2: So what Antonio is referring to was an event which
Speaker 2: happened in Fatima in Portugal, and it was in nine
Speaker 2: I think nineteen seventeen seventeen. Yeah, and it was a
Speaker 2: supernatural event and it was witnessed by a good fifty
Speaker 2: to one hundred thousand people witnesses.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's known as the Miracle of the Sun.
Speaker 2: It's absolutely fascinating, and it was the apparition, allegedly the
Speaker 2: apparition of the Virgin Mary.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But the people know the church, try know all,
Speaker 1: tell the people all that story you know about the
Speaker 1: dance son. But when I met Fina Darmada, she was
Speaker 1: a teacher in the college. She turned to me said,
Speaker 1: because she saw me on the talk show on TV
Speaker 1: in Portugal, and there was twenty ten one. They come
Speaker 1: the book and I go three times on talk shows
Speaker 1: different channels, and she called me and were talking everythime,
Speaker 1: a good friend. She passed away two thousand fourteen. I
Speaker 1: think because the Fatima's time with the appears with the
Speaker 1: angel to the three kids, and after that, after a
Speaker 1: couple of times the appears to the kids, they come
Speaker 1: the Lady of Fatima appears in the inside a light
Speaker 1: and okay, everybody knows that that is not not secret.
Speaker 1: But she said, you know, everybody knows about angels, about
Speaker 1: the sun dance, about all that stuff, but nobody knows
Speaker 1: this thing. Start with a code and eveness no too.
Speaker 1: I said what code? He said, well, we have a code.
Speaker 1: It's one three five, one ninety seven. And the relations
Speaker 1: turned that in one three May nine one seven the year.
Speaker 1: But this is wrong because it's just this is what
Speaker 1: the church did. But the really there was a full
Speaker 1: name and they appears to appear for three people in
Speaker 1: the different parts of the Portugal in the same night
Speaker 1: at the mirror. There's a story like that. Okay, and yes,
Speaker 1: but what is the what it means that that number?
Speaker 1: And she said, I don't know. I was working with
Speaker 1: my friend and we try to figure out. Try the numbers.
Speaker 1: We did, Matt, we did everything. Look, I can figure
Speaker 1: out and we'll be studying that from seventy eight nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy eight. Portuguese government pay for them for the study.
Speaker 1: And she said, look, maybe you can figure out something.
Speaker 1: I said, let me thinking about that. They give me
Speaker 1: some days and we have not one hundred percent working that.
Speaker 1: I have my job and my family and said, okay,
Speaker 1: but I gotta try to figure out something. I try
Speaker 1: to figure out everything possible, say numbers, but one thing
Speaker 1: I have is almost all the monuments and secret place.
Speaker 1: They have something with relations with the stars and the sky. Wow,
Speaker 1: this thing they can be not changed too much, they
Speaker 1: will be I'll be thinking, we'll do it. And I said, look,
Speaker 1: and I think I told from my ex wife. I said, look,
Speaker 1: if the dore's more here like cold Nations, longitude, lettitude,
Speaker 1: know all that that thing, there must be something in
Speaker 1: the sky. I go to the Google and I found
Speaker 1: a style with one three five ninety one seven. And
Speaker 1: it's funny because in that time I have mind cell
Speaker 1: phone already somebody listening to my when when I call,
Speaker 1: and I can't feel different mind cell phone because Fatim's real.
Speaker 1: Even now, there's still a big secret for in Portugal,
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people don't want touch in that.
Speaker 1: I have a funny story. One day, they have a
Speaker 1: meeting in Lisbon, I said, some government people. And what
Speaker 1: they said They go have a meeting that the sepend
Speaker 1: in Lisbon, and I was there. I was invited for
Speaker 1: by the of the Apple and they give all kinds
Speaker 1: of answers they can possibly give them because there was
Speaker 1: the work for the government and they have military people
Speaker 1: over there by. And that said, I let me just
Speaker 1: ask one thing, what about Fatima, the guy that looks
Speaker 1: like a coronels He said, we don't talk about that.
Speaker 1: We can even talk about that, and okay, and that
Speaker 1: that was the answer. I said, okay, And I found
Speaker 1: that style. But now before I tell to Fina, I
Speaker 1: found the start can be relative with the code, because
Speaker 1: I think like that if you go if the man
Speaker 1: go to another planet and there was the planet forever
Speaker 1: living over there and it's behind the technology. We must
Speaker 1: show them and we must talk the way, for they
Speaker 1: understand where we come from, where the star we come from.
Speaker 1: And that's why I think it's okay. If that being
Speaker 1: come nineteen seventeen, what they do they can't say, okay,
Speaker 1: I started some name they call in that that planet.
Speaker 1: Now it must say the name of the star, the
Speaker 1: same name you have via in the in the our planet.
Speaker 1: Now you have. I have a problem is if this
Speaker 1: sty is discover already by the astronomy. And I said, well,
Speaker 1: the best answer it must send a male to NASA
Speaker 1: and its a in nine states. And this isn't And
Speaker 1: I said, I send him male, and I never think
Speaker 1: they don't give me answer. After twenty four hours, the
Speaker 1: NASA send me a male and I have all the
Speaker 1: chapter is everything in the book, all the informations of
Speaker 1: the star. And that was funny because there was not
Speaker 1: all the stars. It's a b star. It's two stars.
Speaker 1: And you don't you don't listen. The church don't tell
Speaker 1: you when the sun danced, there was one just one
Speaker 1: they said, just one, one light. But there was not.
Speaker 1: The Finna found in the archive of the factim there
Speaker 1: was two sons, not one. And I have a picture
Speaker 1: to send me, a picture from a friend from a
Speaker 1: reporter Italian party. They take in nineteen seven when this happened.
Speaker 1: They take that picture and you can't see two. There
Speaker 1: was no sons. After this is like tho was like
Speaker 1: some object flying. You know, there was two, not one.
Speaker 1: I said, Okay, if I tell this new to the
Speaker 1: to the Fena by phone, maybe we have a problem.
Speaker 1: Because she was she has a problem already in the
Speaker 1: career like a teacher. Okay, now I can't got a
Speaker 1: problem with myself. And I send them by post office,
Speaker 1: the normal thing. And she got that, and she's a
Speaker 1: real surprised. She's a little surprise because they can't be
Speaker 1: they can't. This is just a theory. Of of course,
Speaker 1: I can't prove anything. But I was proove is we
Speaker 1: know that our astronomy know about that style eighteen seventy six.
Speaker 1: I think I'm not sure about that. There was before
Speaker 1: what's happened in Fatima, and some witness in that day
Speaker 1: they saw a light and beings a wave to the people.
Speaker 1: This thing is not tough for the church. But they
Speaker 1: find that in the archive and they seventeen seven, eighteen
Speaker 1: seventy seven, talk with the witness. Someone there was alive, well,
Speaker 1: a little confused and a little trouble because even not
Speaker 1: the church. And that time there was a reporter from
Speaker 1: the newspaper and they want talk with me, and then
Speaker 1: they make me a two view interview. And I talked
Speaker 1: about that and I said, okay, I don't tell you
Speaker 1: some but after that in off, I don't tell you
Speaker 1: another stuff I can't tell you on but there must
Speaker 1: be off. You please don't write that down in the newspaper.
Speaker 1: You got be trouble with that, and you write everything
Speaker 1: down in the newspaper. As a matter of fact, there
Speaker 1: was in the center of the paper the newspaper all
Speaker 1: that two pages of all that stuff. I told them
Speaker 1: some I say, for that's ma they can write. And
Speaker 1: someone I said, this is gonna be off. Nobody can
Speaker 1: know that. You know, they probably that the part they
Speaker 1: got fired. And one day I was in the hospital
Speaker 1: and there was the it was I wasn't hospital, I'll
Speaker 1: work over there, and it was with a wife. And
Speaker 1: that was a funny thing because it said, oh, look
Speaker 1: this is the man that we're talking blauh blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: and the wife is real smile. And when he said,
Speaker 1: look this is what the man told me about the
Speaker 1: UFOs and the Fatima. Look you must see the face
Speaker 1: of the wife. And I feel like that makes me
Speaker 1: really believe he got a fire because that they're right
Speaker 1: down in the newspaper about that secret of Fatima. It's
Speaker 1: a little strange. I'm still a little strange. Why NASA
Speaker 1: right away, in less than twenty four hours they send
Speaker 1: me for different people send informations about that style.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very peculiar to our listeners. A binary star
Speaker 2: is basically two sons which evolve around each other. I
Speaker 2: think the closest binary system we have to like to
Speaker 2: Earth would be Alpha Centauri.
Speaker 1: There must be. But this one is real deep. I
Speaker 1: remember when I was in with the Google that you know,
Speaker 1: you can't see real tribe, real deep in the in
Speaker 1: the cosmos. Find that star, you know, I don't know
Speaker 1: what they looks like what the NASA send me even there.
Speaker 1: It's not from any constellation. It's just two stars somewhere.
Speaker 2: You know, two stars somewhere, and these two stars could
Speaker 2: well have other planets around it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I said, it's a theory. It's my theory
Speaker 1: can prove nothing, you know, but it looks like there
Speaker 1: must be at least one one planet. And what I
Speaker 1: believe is where they come from. That that beans from
Speaker 1: the Fatima. It's another thing. It's in partial. It's one
Speaker 1: of the place you can recall at spot. You know,
Speaker 1: you saw more ufoss in the Fatima and the Tomorrow
Speaker 1: and to mar. It's funny because the king times when
Speaker 1: when the pope try destroyed the call that the crusade,
Speaker 1: you know, and the crusades tart again into mark next
Speaker 1: to Fatima, you know, and we call for fin their mother.
Speaker 1: Fatima can be can take us the human beings together
Speaker 1: with the two relations and one because I don't believe
Speaker 1: the coincidence. But the daughter of the mam there was
Speaker 1: Fatima too, you know. Maybe they tried that beings try
Speaker 1: telling something. It's timeful we stop the war. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's just just talking, you know, just talking.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Patima can't be too far away from muru Rere
Speaker 2: to be close by to where you first witnessed your life.
Speaker 1: Fatim. It's about aren't something cool meat about the area
Speaker 1: where I saw all that? Think we have a lot
Speaker 1: of domens. We have a lot of megalis. We have
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of history over.
Speaker 2: There, you know, absolutely a lot of history.
Speaker 1: And you have the three chromix, famous chromix. One of
Speaker 1: them is one of the famous chromits in Europe they
Speaker 1: call the Alamanders. I don't know how many stones there,
Speaker 1: but they have a lot of tourists to go over there. Well,
Speaker 1: it's a city tourists. You know, you still have a road,
Speaker 1: the streets. The road it's made by the Romans two
Speaker 1: thousands years ago. You know, you can't see how all
Speaker 1: the city is.
Speaker 2: You know, so if it was made by the Romans,
Speaker 2: the roads are still in perfect work in order.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, about a couple of years ago they stop,
Speaker 1: let the cards going and just the people walking now,
Speaker 1: just for people for they don't dare much more dead.
Speaker 1: But they still you know, we talk about two thousands
Speaker 1: something years old.
Speaker 2: You know, they've built those roads to last. They really
Speaker 2: did wonderful stuff. Antonio. Let me let me just just
Speaker 2: share your book a second to our listeners. If you
Speaker 2: want to dive deeper into Antonio's story, his book Gods
Speaker 2: or Civilizations from the Stars expands on everything he has
Speaker 2: talked about tonight. The encounters the dreams and the discoveries
Speaker 2: that link humanity to something far beyond earth. Now, Antonio,
Speaker 2: your book is available on Amazon. I'll put the link
Speaker 2: to Antonio's book below a description and on the website,
Speaker 2: but definitely do check it out. Absolutely fascinating.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate you coming on and sharing that for
Speaker 2: our listeners.
Speaker 1: Thanks, thank you for the time. I really like tell
Speaker 1: my star and listen stars.
Speaker 2: It was wonderful to hear it today and it was
Speaker 2: wonderful to meet you to Antonio.
Speaker 1: Thank you. That's the same.
Speaker 2: Please keep in contact, okay and we will speak soon.
Speaker 1: Sir, will bye for now, okay, thank you all right.
Speaker 2: Well, that is all for this week. Keep updated and
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Speaker 2: if you have an encounter that you'd like to share
Speaker 2: on the podcast, you can email me at UFO Chronicles
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Speaker 2: me via the contact page on my website UFO Chronicles
Speaker 2: podcast dot com. A big thank you to Antonio for
Speaker 2: sharing tonight, and thank you all for listening. I will
Speaker 2: be back next week. Till then, stay safe, keep watching
Speaker 2: the skies. Goodbye,