Speaker 1: Please do and you call me zi.
Speaker 2: Okay, now.
Speaker 1: You know I do receive fan emails.
Speaker 3: You've received emails fan fan emails.
Speaker 1: About fifty a week, some of them bad ones. Some
Speaker 1: people think that I discovered evidence to prove that pyramids
Speaker 1: built by aliens or loss civilization, and I hide them.
Speaker 1: I never answered this questions. But do you I tell
Speaker 1: you how do I? How can I hide anything? I'm
Speaker 1: not working atone, I'm working with people. You cannot hide.
Speaker 3: Anything because people will see you. And I will tell
Speaker 3: you a joke.
Speaker 1: It happened, but it's a joke. A reporter came to
Speaker 1: see me from California to my office, and my office
Speaker 1: was located next to the Great Parameter of Kufu. And
Speaker 1: he said to me, people say at twelve venoon, you
Speaker 1: live your office and you go to the bathroom and
Speaker 1: you open a tunnel from your bathroom through really what
Speaker 1: he said, and you go from the tunnel to the
Speaker 1: great Pyramid and you hire things and you come back.
Speaker 1: I said, okay, what do you need from me now?
Speaker 1: He said, I want to see your bathroom. It's really happened.
Speaker 1: He went to my bathroom.
Speaker 3: Did you check all the panel?
Speaker 1: And he came back and have you seen any tunnels
Speaker 1: in my bathroom?
Speaker 3: He said, no, that's Zah. He was explaining his work
Speaker 3: at Giza with Joe Rogan, and he's been the face
Speaker 3: of Egyptology for god decades, and you know, he's basically
Speaker 3: telling Joe that he has nothing to hide. He good guy.
Speaker 3: He doesn't lie about discoveries and stuff like that. But
Speaker 3: there's a lot of there's a lot of questions. And
Speaker 3: I'll tell you this. I've been to Egypt like eight
Speaker 3: times now. And when you go to the Giza Plateau,
Speaker 3: which is just a big open desert area, it has
Speaker 3: the Sphinx, it has the Sphinx temples, it has the pyramids,
Speaker 3: of course, and it has the causeways and it's a
Speaker 3: huge area. And when you first see the pyramids, you're
Speaker 3: like you're blown away because you've got to understand, it's
Speaker 3: one hundred of the Kufu Pyramid that we're gonna be
Speaker 3: discussing today is one hundred and fifty meters high. That's
Speaker 3: four hundred and eighty one feet high, and it is
Speaker 3: made up of limestone and granite blocks, two zero point
Speaker 3: three million of them, each of them weighing between two
Speaker 3: and fifteen tons, and it's attributed to Cufu, a pharaoh.
Speaker 3: But what is so amazing? And you're stunned. You're stunned
Speaker 3: into silence. And if you're lucky enough, which we are
Speaker 3: each year, to go inside the Great Pyramid, you're further
Speaker 3: blown away because you're seeing fifty to one hundred ton
Speaker 3: blocks of granite laid perfectly on top of each other,
Speaker 3: so you can't put a piece of paper or a
Speaker 3: pin between the two pieces of stone. It is a
Speaker 3: work of engineering genius, and so there's a lot of speculation.
Speaker 3: It's the biggest anomaly in the world, one of the biggest.
Speaker 3: And if there's ever a term that fits the Great Pyramids,
Speaker 3: it's out of place artifacts, out of place artifacts. There's
Speaker 3: no way in hell any pharaohs had the technology to
Speaker 3: build the Pyramids. It's a pre dynastic monument, monuments of
Speaker 3: three of them. And this is the problem with Egyptology.
Speaker 3: They're not scientists, they're social scientists. Basically. They are great researchers,
Speaker 3: and I have a lot of friends that are Egyptologists.
Speaker 3: We've had a number of them on the program. But
Speaker 3: the big issue is when you're dealing with an engineering
Speaker 3: feat like the Kufu pyramid has to be an engineer
Speaker 3: that can really help you understand what you're looking at.
Speaker 3: And this is why engineers are baffled at how in
Speaker 3: the hell they built these monuments. And this is our
Speaker 3: program today and it's easy. And we've talked about the Pharaohs,
Speaker 3: these self appointed gods, claiming the pyramids were theirs, claiming
Speaker 3: monumental colossi statues that are thirty feet high are their works.
Speaker 3: And for the most part, and AI is helping with this,
Speaker 3: for the most part, it's coming to light that they
Speaker 3: didn't create them. And there and the artisans of the
Speaker 3: day that they were rulers were not capable of carving
Speaker 3: or building or erecting colossi or massive pyramids. And so
Speaker 3: there's a huge question. If the Pharaohs didn't build these things,
Speaker 3: who did. And this is where it opens the door
Speaker 3: to ancient aliens, it or opens the door to lost civilizations.
Speaker 3: And you know, we don't have alien proof. We don't know,
Speaker 3: I mean, alien theorists quick to say, you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: you guys can't explain it. Well, we'll explain it. They
Speaker 3: had levitation, and the aliens gave them special guns that
Speaker 3: would all kinds of stuff, but we're not going to
Speaker 3: get it at today. And you know how I feel
Speaker 3: about ancient aliens. But my guess is going to talk
Speaker 3: about a great hoax, and it is. We've had him
Speaker 3: on the show before, Scott Creighton, and in twenty sixteen
Speaker 3: he wrote a book called The Great Pyramid Hoax where
Speaker 3: he presents detailed evidence, actually forensic evidence and by the way,
Speaker 3: he's an engineer. He presents evidence that the cartouche, which
Speaker 3: is what Egyptologists used to identify the Great Pyramid, the
Speaker 3: Cartouche of Cufu, is was falsified. It's not it's not
Speaker 3: really by the workers or anyone in the Cufu's administration
Speaker 3: who actually put it there. It was placed there by
Speaker 3: an explorer who wanted to make claim that it is
Speaker 3: from Cufu. So anyhow, it's a challenge for so many
Speaker 3: people to understand how this pyramid building was made, who
Speaker 3: made it, and the technology behind it. When you look
Speaker 3: at it up close and you're seeing that it's you know,
Speaker 3: four hundred feet over four hundred feet above the surface,
Speaker 3: there's no way that any of the pharaohs had the
Speaker 3: technology to do that. And that's the biggest issue that
Speaker 3: I have. It's not that it's not that we don't
Speaker 3: believe that the Pharaohs could have built it. It's that
Speaker 3: they didn't have the technology. That's the bottom line. And
Speaker 3: this is what I'm facing right now now. I talk
Speaker 3: a great deal about the statuary of that Pharonic period,
Speaker 3: and I have been analyzing, and I've talked about this,
Speaker 3: the statuary of Ramses the second because he he went
Speaker 3: crazy and placed his cartouche, his signature on literally anything
Speaker 3: that was above twenty feet tall. And some of the
Speaker 3: largest statues in the world are in Egypt, if not
Speaker 3: the largest statues in the world, and the ones I've
Speaker 3: been looking at are in Memphis. One specifically, it's thirty
Speaker 3: plus feet tall. It was carved from a piece of
Speaker 3: limestone that must have weighed about five hundred tons, and
Speaker 3: it's a mind blower. But and I thought that it
Speaker 3: was machined, and I talk about this all the time.
Speaker 3: It wasn't machine. According to AI. It was carved by humans,
Speaker 3: but a human that had off the charts perception an
Speaker 3: ability to carve with unknown tools. Because you can't carve
Speaker 3: it with chisels or copper chisels. There's so much that
Speaker 3: AI is revealing about this that I haven't even gotten
Speaker 3: into the possibilities of scanning it with AI and seeing
Speaker 3: what the pyramids come up with, what the data is
Speaker 3: and on the pyramids. So I guess my point is
Speaker 3: that there are a world of anomalies in Egypt, and
Speaker 3: that's why we go each year, is because it is
Speaker 3: ground zero for early unknown technology. And I can easily
Speaker 3: say lost civilizations. I could easily say Atlantis. I won't
Speaker 3: say ancient Aliens because that's just getting out of hand.
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry for you guys that are hearing me
Speaker 3: and going cliff. You just don't get it. Alpha Centauri
Speaker 3: was our The people from Alpha Centauri were here to
Speaker 3: help us. And anyhow, you know, maybe maybe there are
Speaker 3: some helpers that were ET's back then. We don't. We
Speaker 3: know the Maya have a period where they were working
Speaker 3: with Star Brothers and sisters, but I have trouble going there.
Speaker 3: So anyhow, today's program is about this Great Hoates and
Speaker 3: again the reason it's a hoax is that this gentleman
Speaker 3: vice Richard Weiss, felt that he needed to place a
Speaker 3: cartouche that verified that the Great Pyramid was the handiwork
Speaker 3: was ordered by Kufu to be created and it's just
Speaker 3: it's just baffling. So today's program is the Great Pyramid
Speaker 3: Hoax two and my guest is the research investigator engineer
Speaker 3: Scott Creighton. There's a lot of debate about the Great
Speaker 3: Pyramids and Giza, Giza, Egypt, and over the years there
Speaker 3: has been the continual belief that, and this is an
Speaker 3: Egyptological belief, that the Cufu Pyramid was commissioned by the
Speaker 3: pharaoh Cufu. And if you're an Egyptologist, and this is
Speaker 3: a big problem we have here on Earth, agents you
Speaker 3: are going with very little evidence that it was Cufu
Speaker 3: who commissioned it, and we don't really know. We do
Speaker 3: know that the creation of the pyramids is a tremendous undertaking.
Speaker 3: Each of these blocks weighs two point five tons and
Speaker 3: that's only the middle of the top sections. The lower
Speaker 3: sections have multi time pieces of stone. And as an
Speaker 3: engineering feat, is it an old kingdom structure? Many people
Speaker 3: like myself don't believe it is an old kingdom. We
Speaker 3: think it's a great predynastic My returning guest today, Scott Creighton,
Speaker 3: wrote a book in twenty sixteen called The Great Pyramid Hoax.
Speaker 3: In that book, he highlights the claim made by Colonel
Speaker 3: Richard William Howard Wisse that the kartushev. Kufu is the
Speaker 3: proof that it was commissioned by Kufu. And we have
Speaker 3: Scott back on this week's program to talk about a
Speaker 3: new book that he's written, which is The Great Pyramid Hoax,
Speaker 3: Part two or number two, Revealing an ancient truth buried
Speaker 3: by a Victorian lie. And we're gonna learn just what
Speaker 3: this is all about. And it's very important to focus
Speaker 3: on this because it's not a casual observation. Scott has
Speaker 3: spent a great deal of time observing and chronicling the
Speaker 3: details of this cartouche, and we're gonna learn about it today.
Speaker 3: So hey, Scott, welcome back to Earth Ancients. Great to
Speaker 3: see you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good to see you too. It's been about nineteen
Speaker 2: years something like that, at least nine yeah, yeah, a
Speaker 2: long time.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I will also mention to our listeners that I
Speaker 3: discovered Scott's work on Graham Hancock's website. He had written
Speaker 3: an article and it was just an excellent article. So
Speaker 3: we've got to start from the beginning. Although this is
Speaker 3: The Great Pyramid hoax number two. We got to kind
Speaker 3: of frame this, Scott a little bit for our listeners,
Speaker 3: and I'm going to let you do that. Let's start
Speaker 3: by identifying what you as a research investigator. And by
Speaker 3: the way, for those of you listening, Scott is a
Speaker 3: research investigator. He is an IT engineer, is a very
Speaker 3: bright guy, and what he's discovered is phenomenal. But let's
Speaker 3: go back, Scott to your discovery and what you had
Speaker 3: uncovered many years ago.
Speaker 2: Okay, Cliff. A number of former researchers, going all the
Speaker 2: way all the way back to nineteen eighties and even
Speaker 2: further back the eighteen hundreds, have accused Avice of perpetating
Speaker 2: a fraud within the Great Pyramid. Now, Conovice discovered some
Speaker 2: painted markings in some hidden chambers with the Great Pyramid
Speaker 2: in eighteen thirty seven, and it's these markings are basically
Speaker 2: I think it was doctor Mark Lehner who said that
Speaker 2: basically these are the you know evidence to prove that
Speaker 2: you know, the Great Pyramid was indeed constructed by the
Speaker 2: feral Cufu. And because CUFU has been identified, it links
Speaker 2: the Great Pyramid, or locks the Great Pyramid through the
Speaker 2: timeframe of to five hundred BC. So that's effectively what
Speaker 2: this discovery did. It locked the Great Pyramid to Cufu
Speaker 2: and to the timeframe of two five hundred BC. So
Speaker 2: a lot of people can test that date. A lot
Speaker 2: of people don't accept it for various reasons, including myself actually,
Speaker 2: but we can get into that much later. So hero Auditus,
Speaker 2: i think it was the first, wrote that Cufu or
Speaker 2: Chiops was the builder of the Great Pyramid, and that
Speaker 2: was you know, about five hundred, five hundred eighty something
Speaker 2: like that. Anyway, it was a long time after the
Speaker 2: Great Pyramid was supposedly built, about two thousand years after
Speaker 2: the Pyramid was supposedly built. So you had this historical narrative,
Speaker 2: if you like, that the Great Pyramid had been built
Speaker 2: by this ancient pharaoh, Cufu, but there was never any
Speaker 2: real proof it was really I suppose even up to
Speaker 2: el Victorian times in the UK and around the world,
Speaker 2: it was pretty much here said that it was Cufu.
Speaker 2: What did it? Yeah, So colonel Weiss, you know, visits
Speaker 2: Egypt in eighteen thirty seven. He actually arrived much earlier
Speaker 2: eighteen thirty five, but toured around Upper Agent Low regip
Speaker 2: visited the Holy Land eventually came back to Egypt around
Speaker 2: late eighteen thirty six. So going into eighteen thirty seven,
Speaker 2: he starts exploring the Great Pyramid. He'd been told by
Speaker 2: an elderly explorer, an Italian guy called Giovanni Caviglia, that
Speaker 2: Cabiglia suspected that there may be some secret hidden chambers
Speaker 2: above the King's chamber, which was obviously well known. But
Speaker 2: the pyramid, even even back then, obviously was empty. Never
Speaker 2: found a pharaoh's body in the so called sarcophagus within
Speaker 2: the king's chamber. We can touch on that later. Again,
Speaker 2: why I don't believe it's a sarcophagus, There's some good
Speaker 2: evidence to essentially point in a completely different direction for
Speaker 2: what that stone box actually is. But anyway, so he
Speaker 2: Colonel Vice hears from Caviglia that he suspects there may
Speaker 2: be hidden chambers above the King's chamber. Just to give
Speaker 2: a bit of a context, Kviglia had been he'd been
Speaker 2: working within the Great Pyramid long before Colonel Vice even
Speaker 2: arrived in Egypt, so he'd been exploring the Pyramid for
Speaker 2: quite some time. So anyway, they get into a partnership
Speaker 2: to explore the pyramid, but for some reason they fell
Speaker 2: out coldel Vice essentially banned Chevclia from the site and
Speaker 2: commences the exploration of the Great Pyramid himself. Starts using
Speaker 2: gunpowder black powder to blast his way through the interior
Speaker 2: of the Great Pyramid, and eventually he discovers these hidden
Speaker 2: chambers that had been sealed since the monument was built.
Speaker 3: Let me understand, are you are you talking about the
Speaker 3: relieving chambers above the yans Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, above the King's chamber. Yeah, so he and don't know.
Speaker 3: That he had blasted a pathway. I thought you were
Speaker 3: able to access it without so exactly, go ahead.
Speaker 2: You can access You can access one chamber just above,
Speaker 2: immediately above the King's chamber, It's called Davison's chamber. That
Speaker 2: has been opened. Well, nobody knows how long really it's
Speaker 2: been opened it It probably has been opened since antiquity,
Speaker 2: since the monument was built. So the first chamber, the
Speaker 2: first relieving chamber, Davison's, has been open for a long time.
Speaker 2: But there's four chambers above that, four relieving chambers above that,
Speaker 2: which Colonel Vice used gunpowder to blast his way into. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this was an eighteen thirty seven and so I mean
Speaker 2: he's blasting through granite. So it took him several months
Speaker 2: to get this task and done. So when he enters
Speaker 2: these chambers, he alleges claims wrote a book claiming that
Speaker 2: he found these painted markings essentially bearing the various names
Speaker 2: of the pharaoh Cufu.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I should just let people know that it's
Speaker 3: not it's not just markings. It's his cartouche.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, a royal Yeah, it's the royal The cartush
Speaker 2: identifies a royal name. It's it's a sort of oval
Speaker 2: ring with a vertical stroke on the end of it
Speaker 2: that identifies a royal name. Any markings inside that sign
Speaker 2: are a royal royal name. So Colonel Vice discovered allegedly
Speaker 2: the royal carto bush of the pharaoh Cufu within these chambers. Now,
Speaker 2: just to let your viewers understand, Cliff, that are interships
Speaker 2: and pharaoh had five different names. So it wasn't just
Speaker 2: Cufu that Colonel Vice found within the monument within these chambers,
Speaker 2: it was his horrorce name Horace Mededu, which is the
Speaker 2: horrors name of Cufu. And he found another name Knum Cufu,
Speaker 2: which basically nowadays is understood to be the full name
Speaker 2: of Cufu. Cufu is really an abbreviation of Kukufu, so
Speaker 2: esiontologists today tell us. So, all these different versions of
Speaker 2: Kufu's name were found within these four relieving chambers that
Speaker 2: Colonel Rice discovered, but curiously Davison's chamber, no painted markings
Speaker 2: were were discovered there. The markings, the painted markings essentially
Speaker 2: graffiti painted with red ochre paint, so very rough painted markings.
Speaker 2: They're not chiseled into the stonework or ornately painted or
Speaker 2: anything like that. They're rough graffiti with f.
Speaker 3: Yes that you for a second, Scott, So would you
Speaker 3: say that the egeotological community believes that this is the
Speaker 3: signature of the Stonemasons?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think said, how does?
Speaker 3: Because this is the big problem we're facing here is that,
Speaker 3: and this is what I want my listeners to to understand,
Speaker 3: is that this identifying mark is the signature that substantiates
Speaker 3: Kufu as the builder without any other proof. This hieroglyph
Speaker 3: is the donation is the identifying mark?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's name. I should maybe point out at
Speaker 2: this point that no scientific analysis has ever been made
Speaker 2: of these painted markets, none whatsoever. But yeah, what happened,
Speaker 2: or what Egyptologists tale is is that the ancient Egyptian
Speaker 2: work gangs that built these chambers, not just these chambers,
Speaker 2: the pyramid itself, would often paint their gang name onto
Speaker 2: the stones because that's stone the same gang would be
Speaker 2: at the quarry as was at the pyramid or you know,
Speaker 2: so they're painting their gang name because that's to be
Speaker 2: delivered to their gang at the pyramid. So because there
Speaker 2: us like several different gangs working at the pyramid, you know,
Speaker 2: so they kind of it's almost like a competition, you know,
Speaker 2: to you know, increase production of the workers that were
Speaker 2: competing with each other. So they would often put their
Speaker 2: gang name on the stones to be delivered to their
Speaker 2: gang at the pyramid to make sure basically that the
Speaker 2: stones went to the right gang in the right place
Speaker 2: in the pyramid. So that's essentially the reason why these markings,
Speaker 2: according to to mainstream Egyptology, was on was found on
Speaker 2: these stones. And to be fair to Egyptology, who actually
Speaker 2: I think do a lot of your really good work,
Speaker 2: to be fair to them, I believe that's probably correct
Speaker 2: that the ancient Egyptians did you know do this because
Speaker 2: we find these gang markings on stones outside the pyramid,
Speaker 2: on the main elevation, the sides of the pyramid, the
Speaker 2: stones there are the core blocks and maybe even casing stones.
Speaker 2: You know, these gang names found on them as well.
Speaker 2: So it's not just you know, the inside of the pyramid,
Speaker 2: and some gang names were found in the bolt pits.
Speaker 2: So it definitely was a practice of the ancient Egyptians
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 3: This, okay, And what led you to believe that this
Speaker 3: was not the work of the builders?
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, we'll need to qualify that a bit. In
Speaker 2: a sense, it was the work of the builders because
Speaker 2: Colonel Vice could not fabricate the mark the actual text itself,
Speaker 2: because nobody knew what it was at the time in
Speaker 2: eighteen thirty seven, no Egyptologists, you know. We have to
Speaker 2: understand that some polliol had only recently, you know, managed
Speaker 2: to crack the hieroglyphic code. I think it was eighteen
Speaker 2: twenty two or something like that, so it's only fifteen
Speaker 2: years before, you know, so knowledge of higherglyphs among academics
Speaker 2: in eighteen thirty seven was practically non existent. So the
Speaker 2: question is, how could a layman such as Colonel Vice,
Speaker 2: you know, perpetrate such a brilliant hoax, How could you
Speaker 2: have done it if the academics of the time couldn't
Speaker 2: even know, They didn't know about this particular style of writing.
Speaker 2: It's called hieratic, and hieratic script is a type of hieroglyphs,
Speaker 2: but it's like freehand cursive script that they would us
Speaker 2: in every day writing because obviously, you know, hieroglyphs were
Speaker 2: hieroglyphs were generally chiseled into stone or ornately painted. But
Speaker 2: these were just everyday writing. So it was it was
Speaker 2: done and what was called hieratic cursive script. So how
Speaker 2: in earth? You know, it wasn't known among the academics
Speaker 2: at that time, So how that and earth could Colonel
Speaker 2: Weiss have perpetrated this if the academics didn't even know.
Speaker 2: So that's the question now around when when Weiss arrived
Speaker 2: at He's in eighteen thirty seven, outside the pyramid, a
Speaker 2: literal spent months doing this. So there was these giant
Speaker 2: mounds of rubble earth and rubble and sand outside the
Speaker 2: pyramid elevations, I think mainly to the north and the
Speaker 2: south of the pyramid. There was these giant was gonna.
Speaker 3: Stop you real quickly, scout. So I've been inside the
Speaker 3: pyramid many times. So you go through the Grand Gallery
Speaker 3: up to the top, and then you pass through You
Speaker 3: could either pass through the Queen's Room or the King's chamber.
Speaker 3: The area you're talking about is above the King's chamber.
Speaker 3: So he was blasting how is he blasting? Did he
Speaker 3: get a ladder up there and he was flasting rock?
Speaker 2: Yeah. If you go to the very top end of
Speaker 2: the slope of the Grand Gallery, very top the Grand Gallery,
Speaker 2: at the end of the wall there, and you look up,
Speaker 2: there's a hole at the top of the ceiling, and
Speaker 2: that hole is a small passage, very very tight passage.
Speaker 2: It's only about maybe two and a half feet square.
Speaker 2: This this tiny passage, but you know, it's big enough
Speaker 2: for a human to crawl through, and that takes you
Speaker 2: into Davison's chamber, oh, above the King's chambers. So yeah,
Speaker 2: they had to get I think a twenty five foot
Speaker 2: ladder to reach this hole up, you know, at the
Speaker 2: top of the Grand Gallery.
Speaker 3: So okay, you read his book, Why would Vice even
Speaker 3: consider doing that? I mean, it's so strange.
Speaker 2: Was there?
Speaker 3: Did he have a purpose in mind? Of blasting with
Speaker 3: dynamite above.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, in the con of ICE's book he tells
Speaker 2: us quite clearly what his motive was. I think there
Speaker 2: may have been other motives, but in his book he
Speaker 2: tells us that he wanted to define the true burial
Speaker 2: place of Cufu. That's the State's that very clearly. He
Speaker 2: also says he wanted to make some important discoveries before
Speaker 2: returning home to England, So that was his motive. He
Speaker 2: wanted the fame and accolades that went with making an
Speaker 2: important discovery. He wanted, I suppose, is his name immortalized
Speaker 2: in the annals of world history. So that really was
Speaker 2: at motive, and there's no question about that. It's there
Speaker 2: in black and white in his own books. And he
Speaker 2: spent a considerable fortune, a small fortune, you know, and
Speaker 2: doing it. He spent something like ten thousand sterling pounds
Speaker 2: in eighteen thirty seven, which today works out about one
Speaker 2: point two one point three million dollars something like that,
Speaker 2: and these and these explorations. So he wanted something for
Speaker 2: his book, you know, he wanted he wanted something.
Speaker 3: For his He had noted public figure in England. Well, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, I think and I think I remember vaguely
Speaker 3: reading this in your book that he may have kind
Speaker 3: of wanted to do the national geographic. You know, I
Speaker 3: am the I am the not Petrie, but he was
Speaker 3: somebody who wanted to make a name for himself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean in the UK he was a member
Speaker 2: of parliament twice, eighteen oh seven and again I think
Speaker 2: maybe eighteen twelve. It's been a while since I've looked
Speaker 2: at this, but round about that. But in the eighteen
Speaker 2: oh seven election to become a member of parliament, he
Speaker 2: essentially bribed the electorate, he bought their vote. Now he
Speaker 2: was cleared of that at the time. He was cleared
Speaker 2: of it at the time. But after his death, which
Speaker 2: I think was eighteen eighteen fifty three, I think he died,
Speaker 2: so this is some time after his episode in Geezza.
Speaker 2: A document was found which basically proves that he did
Speaker 2: pay all his elector the electorate his election, you know,
Speaker 2: money for voting for him. He paid some eleven hundred
Speaker 2: of the electors and I think they're only ware about
Speaker 2: twelve hundred, so massive fraud that he carried out to
Speaker 2: ensure that he will won the election. So that's the
Speaker 2: kind of guy with it we're dealing with. You know,
Speaker 2: he will push the bounds to get what he wants.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go back to this relieving chamber. He's blasting
Speaker 3: his way. He gets to the top of the King's chamber,
Speaker 3: which is the relieving what.
Speaker 2: Do you call Davis Everson's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so what happens that with that?
Speaker 2: Right, So he's in Davison's who can't see any doors.
Speaker 2: There's no doors or past sidways and Davison's. So the
Speaker 2: story goes that, and I think there's a story that Caviglia,
Speaker 2: that he previously worked with, showed him this. So Caviglia's
Speaker 2: story goes that he pushed a small length of grass,
Speaker 2: a very you know, long length of grass or read
Speaker 2: very thin, between the cracks the joints where two of
Speaker 2: the slabs of the roof above his head, just where
Speaker 2: they met. He forced this read of grass through the
Speaker 2: crack and it just went and went and went and
Speaker 2: went and went all the way through. And he realized
Speaker 2: then that there is a space or Caviglia realized that
Speaker 2: there was to be another chamber above that. So he
Speaker 2: told us device it's part of Vice, his team. Vice
Speaker 2: kicks him off his team and starts he wants to
Speaker 2: do to discover this for himself. So he starts basically
Speaker 2: blasting at the entrance of Davison's just before he entered
Speaker 2: the chamber, and there's a small passageway that he's in,
Speaker 2: So he basically starts tunneling his way vertically up from
Speaker 2: Davison's the entrance of Davison's. He tunnels his way up
Speaker 2: using gunpowder through the granite to create a vertical tunnel,
Speaker 2: a shaft, a vertical shaft, and is able to eventually
Speaker 2: find all these these other four four chambers.
Speaker 3: How did he get permission to use dynamite? Was this
Speaker 3: the I mean, well, it's the wild West, wild West.
Speaker 3: Back then, Egypt must have been h kind of falling
Speaker 3: apart or not really government. There must not have been
Speaker 3: any authority at the time at.
Speaker 2: That time standards. There were no standards for archaeology back
Speaker 2: back then, you know, it was pretty much a free
Speaker 2: free for all, essentially a suppose for Western countries to
Speaker 2: pillage Egypt, you know, and over there was a competition
Speaker 2: between you know, Western powers France at late Germany or
Speaker 2: Prussia at the time, Britain to find the biggest, most
Speaker 2: significant discovery. You know, I suppose for national prestige. It
Speaker 2: was all that kind of thing going on at the time,
Speaker 2: So you know, there was no rules, There was no rules.
Speaker 2: It was a free for all.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: And it's a real shame because Egypt was was plundered basically.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well we know that that because Napoleon brought back
Speaker 3: Hoole Temple and if you go to the Louver in
Speaker 3: France you can see whole ceilings, whole temples, which Egypt
Speaker 3: wants back now. And the same thing with Britain, and
Speaker 3: the British Museum has just thousands of artifacts that were
Speaker 3: re e deluding. So Weiss gets to the top of
Speaker 3: the relieving chamber, he blasts his way through. When did
Speaker 3: he stop blasting and what were the next phases that
Speaker 3: led to the discovery of what he believed was the cartouche.
Speaker 2: Oh, it starts. It starts his blasting in February eighteen
Speaker 2: thirty seven, and the Cufu cartouche wasn't discovered until his
Speaker 2: blasting is very early February, and the Kufu cartouche wasn't
Speaker 2: discovered until the twenty seventh of March. That's our iconic
Speaker 2: Cufu Cartus, the one everybody knows about, was found in
Speaker 2: the last er Campbell's chamber, which is at the very
Speaker 2: top of this series of relieving chambers. Sooook Cartous is
Speaker 2: in there, and it was found probably twenty seventh of March.
Speaker 2: I believe it was so some some time after he'd
Speaker 2: start blasting his way through the Great Pyramid with this
Speaker 2: gunpowder archaeology.
Speaker 3: So why don't you describe the steps that he took
Speaker 3: in his discovery? Does he? He must have written about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean in his book, he goes, he goes
Speaker 2: through the process, he documents it fairly well, what what happened? He's,
Speaker 2: you know, blowing blasting his way through. He opens a
Speaker 2: chamber and then in his book he says, yeah, opened
Speaker 2: this chamber, and we discovered them painted markings, quarry marks
Speaker 2: upon the chamber walls. That's what he says in his book,
Speaker 2: his published book, and he does this for each each
Speaker 2: of the four chambers. Oh, and we found more quarry marks. Oh,
Speaker 2: we found more quarry marks. He doesn't specifically mentioned finding
Speaker 2: the Kufu Cartus, but he did know the Kufu Cartous.
Speaker 2: There's really solid evidence that he actually knew what the
Speaker 2: Kufu cartous was It had been published by a polito
Speaker 2: Roussellini in eighteen twenty eight. I think it was maybe,
Speaker 2: you know, a good while before Vice went went to
Speaker 2: eighteen thirty two, maybe a good while before Vice went
Speaker 2: to Egypt. The Kufu characters had been published. It was known,
Speaker 2: so he knew what to kind of look for. But
Speaker 2: in his published account, it's almost like he's playing dumb.
Speaker 2: I don't know what these marks are, but he does
Speaker 2: know what they are, because I managed to track down
Speaker 2: his private field notes, his private journal of his diary
Speaker 2: of his time at Giza in eighteen thirty seven, and
Speaker 2: they tell a different story from the published account. You know,
Speaker 2: it's just incredible the difference in terms of what his
Speaker 2: private journal says and what is published account tells us.
Speaker 3: So the private give us some a sense of the
Speaker 3: private notation that he reproduces. I mean, he's using candlelight
Speaker 3: and probably tracing the wall or you know, trying to
Speaker 3: figure out where the hell he is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let me give you an example, maybe a
Speaker 2: couple of examples. He in the first couple of chambers, well,
Speaker 2: Lincoln's chamber, He's in there. His published book says he didn't.
Speaker 2: His published book says he found the quarry marks. He
Speaker 2: doesn't tell us what he found, okay, But in his
Speaker 2: private no, actually the quarry marks Wellington's chamber. This is
Speaker 2: the first chamber that he blasted his way into. He
Speaker 2: tells us that he found the quarry marks. He doesn't
Speaker 2: tell us what he found. But you look at the
Speaker 2: drawings of that were made of what was found in there.
Speaker 2: There was a kunoum Kufu cartoush on the western wall
Speaker 2: of that chamber, but Vice makes no mention of it
Speaker 2: in his book. But in his private journal he basically says,
Speaker 2: I saw some markings on the east wall, but there
Speaker 2: was nothing, but there was nothing that looked like hieroglyphics
Speaker 2: in the chamber. So that's you know. But then suddenly
Speaker 2: a cartoush appears, and he got one of his assistants,
Speaker 2: Attap named mister Hill, to document or to make one
Speaker 2: to one drawings fi similar drawings of the markings that
Speaker 2: they supposedly found within these chambers. So while Vice in
Speaker 2: his published account says that he found quarry marks, which
Speaker 2: he did, there were some markings in markings, some of
Speaker 2: which don't actually look like Egyptian hieroglyphs on the east wall,
Speaker 2: but there's also a Kufu cartoush there in the western wall,
Speaker 2: and he knew what the Kufu cartoush looked like. He
Speaker 2: may not have known this one because it was it
Speaker 2: was a Knoom Cufu cartoush, but anyway he could have
Speaker 2: guessed it. So he writes in his private account that
Speaker 2: he saw some markings on the eastern wall, but nothing
Speaker 2: on you know, there was nothing in the chamber that
Speaker 2: looked like hieroglyphics. Now, mister Holl's drawing of the cartoush
Speaker 2: from that chamber does look like hieroglyphics. He was unknown, Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's those hieroglyphics on the western walk. It doesn't make
Speaker 2: any mention of those markets whatsoever.
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Speaker 3: So in his journal it is the assistant saying, this
Speaker 3: paint on the wall or is it scratching? No, it's paint. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean it's just red ochre paint on the chamber wolves.
Speaker 3: But his assistant is copying now and then the next
Speaker 3: chamber there's a Nelson's chamber, but I'll jump to Ladier
Speaker 3: buthnuts Chamber. This is a really bizarre situation.
Speaker 2: If you go into Ladier buthnuts Chumber today with just
Speaker 2: an oil arm, a candle, or even a small hand
Speaker 2: held BArch, you can see many of the paint markings,
Speaker 2: not all of them. Some of them have faded quite considerably.
Speaker 2: I've seen photographs of them. Paint marks in that chamber
Speaker 2: been up. With just a handheld torch, you can actually
Speaker 2: see the markings on the wall. When Vice and another
Speaker 2: of his assistants, mister Baden, first entered Ladier buthnuts Chamber
Speaker 2: in eighteen thirty seven, they just breached it. This was
Speaker 2: the first time anyone had ever ended the chamber. And
Speaker 2: remember what's important here, Cliff, is that they had already
Speaker 2: supposedly they discovered red painted ochre markings in the two
Speaker 2: chambers below right mm hmm, okay, this is what what
Speaker 2: we're supposedly told. This is what we're told, this is
Speaker 2: what supposedly happened. So I've already discovered supposedly these markings,
Speaker 2: and two chambers below they go inside. Now, what would
Speaker 2: you be doing if you had found markings in two
Speaker 2: chambers below? What would you be doing when you go
Speaker 2: into this cham you be searching the wall? Don't you
Speaker 2: be searching the walls for similar markings? Question? And we
Speaker 2: know they did search the walls because the Vice writes
Speaker 2: in his published book that the walls and lady's chamber
Speaker 2: where let this inferior construction to the chambers below. So
Speaker 2: they're checking the walls. They didn't find a single quarry
Speaker 2: mark painted on any other of the walls. H two
Speaker 2: sets of eyes. Vice and mister Raven totally primed expecting
Speaker 2: you could imagine that they would be painted mark wearing walls.
Speaker 2: This chamber today has more painted markings on its walls
Speaker 2: than any within all of the other chambers combined. And
Speaker 2: they didn't see a single one. They came out of
Speaker 2: that and you can look in today and you can
Speaker 2: see some of them on the walls. They didn't see
Speaker 2: any who had been primed to see them. They only
Speaker 2: found markings in this chamber three days later. Suddenly they disappeared.
Speaker 3: So this is your big question, is he becomes a forger.
Speaker 2: Well, what I think happened is he wants he wants
Speaker 2: to make and i'm important discovery. He's thinking that maybe
Speaker 2: of these chambers is you know, Kufu's burial. So is
Speaker 2: having disappointment after disappointment in these chambers. It's not finding Cufu.
Speaker 2: Might still wants to make an important discovery. So I conjecture, Well,
Speaker 2: I I don't conjecture. The evidence suggests. This is the
Speaker 2: only way I can put this. The evidence suggests that
Speaker 2: a hoax was perposed. What I've been doing a Vice
Speaker 2: is investigating claims that other people, like a Prussian prince
Speaker 2: in eighteen thirty and who met Vice at Giza, accused
Speaker 2: them of perpetrating a fraud.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Prussian prince accused him of his earientially perpetrating a fraud.
Speaker 2: He basically writes in a book that Colonel Weiss only
Speaker 2: pretend pretended to have found these marks, and that they
Speaker 2: were probably made only very recently with a finger dipped
Speaker 2: in color. So this is what this Prussian prince said.
Speaker 2: He also strangely said advice that he expected Vice to
Speaker 2: find an inscription in the chamber that he was opening
Speaker 2: at that time, which was Wellington as the first chamber.
Speaker 2: This Prussian prince said, Advice. They hadn't found anything yet.
Speaker 2: This Prussian prince said to him, you're going to find
Speaker 2: an inscription in there, which was a strange thing.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 2: That's a very strange thing form Dady device because this Prussian,
Speaker 2: if you read his books, he believed that these monuments
Speaker 2: should not have any right in them. That's what he
Speaker 2: says in his books. He believed they were built deliberately
Speaker 2: without any text written outside or inside. And yet it
Speaker 2: says to Colonel Vice, he's a you're going to find
Speaker 2: a description in there, aren't you? And he did alleged allegedly.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so that's lady of Buthnot's chamber. You know,
Speaker 2: there's no markings found on the walls, markings that you
Speaker 2: can see today with just a Handtok's two pairs of
Speaker 2: eyes primed to look for these markings. They didn't find any.
Speaker 2: They only found him three days later.
Speaker 3: You know, let me just quote ask you real quickly,
Speaker 3: are there anything in the men car or the other
Speaker 3: pyramids that are internal marks, painting, or anything identifying them.
Speaker 2: No, there's there's a quarry marks that were found identifying
Speaker 2: the fair Mincora found outside the Mincora Pyramid, around the
Speaker 2: tempo area of the Mincora Pyramid. So but none inside either.
Speaker 3: Well, but we all know the par Us were great
Speaker 3: usurpers and and he might have just stuck his name
Speaker 3: out there because he wanted to claim it for his kingdom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well this is the thing. Yeah, this is the
Speaker 2: that may have happened with Cufu as well. Because I
Speaker 2: was saying, Eller Cliff, that vice was that Giza cring
Speaker 2: these rubble piles outside the Great Pyramid. Now, what he
Speaker 2: also tells us, and this is really important, what he
Speaker 2: also tells us is that he found stones, you know,
Speaker 2: pyramid stones, blocks outside the pyramid. It was continually finding
Speaker 2: red painted quarry marks on these stones outside the pyramid. Okay,
Speaker 2: now we just said about Mincora. Yeah, so it doesn't
Speaker 2: take a great stretch of the imagination to figure out
Speaker 2: what carne of Ice probably did.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is somebody a very very poor character
Speaker 3: to do something like this on on this ancient monument,
Speaker 3: and I mean, you're you're you're kind of building him
Speaker 3: up to be a frustrated explorer spinning. What you're saying
Speaker 3: is close to or over a million dollars uh to
Speaker 3: do the research? What I mean, can you give us
Speaker 3: some other character analysis that would lead you to believe
Speaker 3: that he was the forger? Was it him? Or did
Speaker 3: you think he actually paid somebody to paid that card.
Speaker 2: To No, I don't think I executed any of the
Speaker 2: actual painting upon the walls himself. He had a small
Speaker 2: team two guys in particular, he had three main assistants,
Speaker 2: mister Perring, mister Raven, and mister Hill. Now I don't
Speaker 2: think mister Perring was directly involved at all. I think
Speaker 2: he may only have been sort of turning a blind
Speaker 2: eye tacitly involved, just turning a blind eye to what
Speaker 2: was going on. I think there's good evidence that supports
Speaker 2: I think the two that perpetrated the painting where mister
Speaker 2: Hill and mister Raven on Vice's instruction, Cause there is
Speaker 2: another page in Colonel Vice's private journal which says that
Speaker 2: this was the twenty seventh of Now I may have
Speaker 2: said marks earlier, I think no, it was twenty seventh
Speaker 2: of May. Yeah, twenty seventh May that I believe that
Speaker 2: the broken to Yeah, twenty seventh of May, that they
Speaker 2: broke into Campbell's chamber. Now, Connel Vice writes in his
Speaker 2: private notes, which I really struggled to read. I found him.
Speaker 2: I found his note about fifteen years ten, fifteen years ago.
Speaker 2: Kurent member exactly when now, But his handwriting is appallingly bad,
Speaker 2: is appalling, is atrocious. It took me quite some time
Speaker 2: to become fairly efficient in reading it. His writing is
Speaker 2: like a doctor's prescription.
Speaker 3: You know, you became a he became a Vice. Hendwriting
Speaker 3: the expert.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say, I wouldn't say expert, but certainly I
Speaker 2: can read it, you know where it matters. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: in this particular page what martyrd was what he said
Speaker 2: about entering Campbell's chamber where the iconic Kufu cartush was found.
Speaker 2: He wrote on this page for Raven and Hill. Now
Speaker 2: this is like an instruction that he's perhaps wanted to
Speaker 2: give them. He wrote his diary at night before he
Speaker 2: went to bed, so he's going to give them this
Speaker 2: instruction probably the next day. So he writes his diary
Speaker 2: that night. For Raven and Hill, these were my marks.
Speaker 2: And then he draws the Kufu Cartoush. He draws it horizontally,
Speaker 2: not the way it's in the chamber, which is, you know,
Speaker 2: sideways vertical. He's notes it horizontal. So for Raven and Hill,
Speaker 2: these were marks from Cartoush to inscribe over any plane.
Speaker 2: The words after that are unclear. I think one of
Speaker 2: them may be the word trusting, but I couldn't be
Speaker 2: absolutely certain on that. And would you look in Campbell's
Speaker 2: chamber the root blocks there or shape like that. Yeah, trusting,
Speaker 2: you know. So that's what he writes for Raving. For
Speaker 2: Raven until these were my marks from Cartush that he
Speaker 2: had found outside the pyramid. These are my march from
Speaker 2: Cartoush that he had probably found in the rubble piles
Speaker 2: outside the pyramid. Two ins future tens, not past tense,
Speaker 2: cliff to inscribe over any plane, something maybe trusting.
Speaker 3: So this is this is a note that he is
Speaker 3: ryan to himself so that the next day he can Yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: It's in his private notes. You know, you can go
Speaker 2: and look at it's private notes. I'm not allowed to
Speaker 2: publish the page. I asked permission the published page from
Speaker 2: the cockpyright owner recently and they wouldn't allow it. So
Speaker 2: but you can go and see it. It's the private
Speaker 2: diary of Colonel Vice is held in Aylesbury, which is
Speaker 2: to the north of London, bucking from Buckinghamshire Archives. That's
Speaker 2: where I think it's referenced d D one twenty I
Speaker 2: think it is. So you can go and see him,
Speaker 2: you know, if if, if you want to and look
Speaker 2: up that page. But but there's there's there's a bunch
Speaker 2: of other stuff in his private journal.
Speaker 3: So these are all read his flags. These are red
Speaker 3: flags that yeah, yeah, picking up and showing that he
Speaker 3: has premeditation involved in his uh wish to identify the
Speaker 3: pyramid as a Kufu bill.
Speaker 2: Right there, go ahead, right there on his diary there
Speaker 2: and his diary. It's not in his published book for
Speaker 2: obvious reasons, but it's there in his private notes.
Speaker 3: Okay, what's the most important new evidence or insight that
Speaker 3: you presented in the hoax to the new book?
Speaker 2: Okay? Well, I only assud have found this fairly recently,
Speaker 2: just going through mister holds. Uh I went to British
Speaker 2: Museum to record them. Mister Hill's take photographs of all
Speaker 2: the similar drawings, of twenty eight of them that mister
Speaker 2: Hill may of all, not all, but some of the
Speaker 2: markings supposedly that he made copy of from the Chamber,
Speaker 2: which I think was actually copied into the chamber using
Speaker 2: mister Hill's drawings. But anyway, there's one drawing that I struggled.
Speaker 2: I struggled with for a long time, and then it
Speaker 2: dawned on me. I had a close look at it.
Speaker 2: Now I could match up twenty five of his twenty
Speaker 2: eight drawings. Now it's important to understand here that when
Speaker 2: mister Hill made his drawings, use his signature, because you
Speaker 2: have to understand that looking at these markings, some of
Speaker 2: them just like random markings, you didn't know which way
Speaker 2: they should up or around, you know, because they're hieroglyphs.
Speaker 2: We don't unless it's the figure of a bird or something,
Speaker 2: well you know that's its feet and that's its head,
Speaker 2: you know which orientation. But in the lack of it,
Speaker 2: in the absence of that of an animal or a
Speaker 2: person and you're looking at them, you probably don't really
Speaker 2: know which way up they shoup. So what mister Hall
Speaker 2: did was he used when when he's looking at this
Speaker 2: thing in the wall that he's supposedly caught. He used
Speaker 2: his signature as this way up, yeah, this way up
Speaker 2: an indicator, so that the academics when they're sending these
Speaker 2: drawings back to London, the academics in London, they knew
Speaker 2: which way round he copied these markings from on the wall,
Speaker 2: so they would just rotate it missile signatures up the
Speaker 2: right way and that's the way the big copy. So
Speaker 2: just in a sideline, the Kufu carcter is the wrong way.
Speaker 2: It's wrong. It looks like mister as I said, twenty
Speaker 2: five out of twenty eight agree with that vention. So
Speaker 2: if you look at twenty five out of the twenty eight,
Speaker 2: mister Holls. Because the drawings on the wall are oriented randomly,
Speaker 2: they're not all upright, some are upside down, some are
Speaker 2: three sixty, some are two seventy rotation wise. So he
Speaker 2: uses signature. So when you look at a three of
Speaker 2: them all and you look at mister Hills, you compare
Speaker 2: that with mister Hills for similar sheets. You can check
Speaker 2: the survey drawings of the orientation with mister Hills for
Speaker 2: similar drawing. Because his drawing could be rotated, it's free standing, irritated,
Speaker 2: any of four different orientations. So when you compare his
Speaker 2: signature and the drawing with his signature twenty five of
Speaker 2: the match, the survey drawings show you the orientation in
Speaker 2: relation to the lower in the ceiling. The survey three
Speaker 2: the orientation and his twenty five out of twenty eight match, well,
Speaker 2: it doesn't match. Are the two that don't match are
Speaker 2: the Kufu cartoon. There's two drawings acts of the Kufu cartoons.
Speaker 2: They both match. It's like this, mister Hill's signature should
Speaker 2: be rotated and into degrees. So I don't think mister
Speaker 2: Hill made a mistake because it wouldn't make a mistake,
Speaker 2: and two drawings of the Kufu cartous, they wouldn't make
Speaker 2: a mistake like that. That was his convention. He knew
Speaker 2: what he was doing and it looked like when you
Speaker 2: remember said earlier, Cliff, that the Kufu cartouche in the
Speaker 2: chamber is vertical. Yeah, so that's the way mister Hill
Speaker 2: should have signed the Kufu drawing. He made the fix
Speaker 2: similar drawings, but he did. He signed it as though
Speaker 2: he was looking at that drawing definitely horizontally.
Speaker 3: Do you find evidence of Bill practicing the cartouche anywhere?
Speaker 3: I mean, if he's the one, if he's the one
Speaker 3: that did it, if Vice had Hill create the cartouche
Speaker 3: on the wall, is there like any evidence of him
Speaker 3: practicing writing the Cufu cartoons anywhere? That'd be a smoker.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: No, I mean Weight does make small sketches of the
Speaker 2: Cufu cartous in his written diary. He does. But anyway,
Speaker 2: I was going to come on to the piece of evidence,
Speaker 2: which I think is the smoking gun. There's this this
Speaker 2: drawing that mister Hill made again this those three where
Speaker 2: his signature doesn't match the two Cufu was in this
Speaker 2: particular veryin the Other thing it doesn't match is the
Speaker 2: scale he was told to make one to one drawings
Speaker 2: of the markings. This drawing doesn't match the scale of
Speaker 2: the drawing that everybody says it's meant to be. So
Speaker 2: there is this drawing on all people are saying, Oh,
Speaker 2: that's that's that one there, you know, let's call it
Speaker 2: number twenty eight or this drawing on the wall the
Speaker 2: chamber wall matches mister Hill's number twenty eight drawing. Well,
Speaker 2: the scale is different for a one to one supposedly
Speaker 2: into one drawing. They're not. The orientation is wrong, scale's wrong,
Speaker 2: and the middle sign is completely wrong. The middle sign
Speaker 2: is completely wrong, and it's not a mistake. The middle
Speaker 2: sign is a genuine ancient gypsum hieroglyph. So it's not
Speaker 2: just that he made a mistake. And he'd been used
Speaker 2: to drawing this particular sign several times in other drawers
Speaker 2: he made. So anyway, that's three things that are all
Speaker 2: wrong with this drawing that's supposed to be the one
Speaker 2: in the chamber. It isn't. It's not the same, it's
Speaker 2: it's But the problem is is that the drawing doesn't
Speaker 2: match any of the marketing, the group of markings in
Speaker 2: any of the chambers. What I'm saying, Cliff, is this
Speaker 2: drawing that mister Hill made is not in the chamber.
Speaker 2: The markings do not exist in the chamber.
Speaker 3: Do you think Vice had him just credit in how
Speaker 3: it put just so he can nerds to show others.
Speaker 2: No, what I think happened is they had this group
Speaker 2: of similar drawings that they copied from outside the pyramid,
Speaker 2: these these markings vi els that they were finding in
Speaker 2: their brubble pilots. But they copy of this one. They
Speaker 2: forgot to copy it. That's why it doesn't exist, because
Speaker 2: the overlooked copying it into into the pyramid. That's a
Speaker 2: kind of dumb mistake forgers make, you know. That's a
Speaker 2: kind of dumb thing, you know. So that's a hell
Speaker 2: Drew are saying. That's not in the chambers. Where where
Speaker 2: did they get these marks from that he drew? Where
Speaker 2: did they get them from? If not inside the pyramid.
Speaker 3: It's a real mystery story. I think the significance of
Speaker 3: everything you're saying is this is what Egyptology uses to
Speaker 3: identify the pyramid builder. And this is the big problem
Speaker 3: is I think the next question Scott is why don't
Speaker 3: Egyptologists question this mark and why is it the only
Speaker 3: mark out there? And I think we started the show
Speaker 3: by saying there really is no other identification identifying uh,
Speaker 3: writing that Kufu built the pyramid or had it commissioned uh,
Speaker 3: which is what a lot of these pharaohs did. They'd
Speaker 3: have a sculpture of building a temple commission and it's
Speaker 3: written about, but Kufu doesn't show up anywhere as the
Speaker 3: commissioning pharaoh of this great pyramid.
Speaker 2: Well, there is a papyetis called the Wadi al Jar papyetis,
Speaker 2: or the so called deity of Metror, who was an
Speaker 2: ancient Egyptian I think captain of an ancient Egyptian boat,
Speaker 2: which this papyetis was found a harbor in the Red
Speaker 2: Sea and ancient harbor in the Red Sea, probably about
Speaker 2: ten years ago or something like this. This papyrus was
Speaker 2: found and it talks about aket Cufu, which is the
Speaker 2: eat of the Great Pyramid, and it talks about, you know,
Speaker 2: this this captain of this boat transporting stone blocks, limestone blocks, Tua,
Speaker 2: limestone blocks to Akit Cufu, andtologists say, oh, that was
Speaker 2: for building the Great but you know, well that's actually
Speaker 2: a bit of a leap. It doesn't actually say that.
Speaker 2: The Diary of Mirror or the Baddie l JRF papyri
Speaker 2: does not say that the blocks specifically were for the
Speaker 2: Great Pyramid, you know, and even if it did, you know,
Speaker 2: it could have been repairing the pyramid, it could have
Speaker 2: been you know, building other you know structures on the
Speaker 2: Giza Plateau that these blocks were for. You know. So
Speaker 2: you know, so there is another papyrus there, but it's
Speaker 2: not conclusive yeah, it mentions Cufu, which is the name
Speaker 2: of the pyramid. It doesn't really mention Cufu himself. It
Speaker 2: mentions the name of the pyramid, but that might have
Speaker 2: been the name of the pyramid for thousands of years.
Speaker 2: You know. It's writing about something that there may be repairing,
Speaker 2: you know, So it's not conclusive evidence. The Diary of Mirror,
Speaker 2: however much Egyptologists wish it was conclusive evidence, it just isn't.
Speaker 2: So that exists. So there's nothing really other than these
Speaker 2: inscriptions within that are ledily found within the Great Pyramid
Speaker 2: to help us date the monument. There's there's nothing the
Speaker 2: Kufu Kartousha are contagaptologists helps us date the monument, or
Speaker 2: words of doctor Mark Lehner descriptions clinch it clinch you know,
Speaker 2: the construction of the pyramid bike in two thousand, five
Speaker 2: hundred BC. That's how important these marks are to Egyptology.
Speaker 2: You take these markings away, it just opens the floodgates.
Speaker 2: And then they don't want that. They want their narrative
Speaker 2: to remain, you know, and they will, I suppose fight
Speaker 2: truth and nailed and ensure that it does. It does.
Speaker 3: So you're you're an engineer Scott. You've been in the
Speaker 3: inside the Kuflu pyramid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what.
Speaker 3: Do you think it was built for? And it wasn't Kufu.
Speaker 3: What's your hypothesis or theory and who built it in
Speaker 3: perhaps when?
Speaker 2: Right? Okay, that's a lie, this is yeah, yeah, it is.
Speaker 2: And I've got a lot to say about that as well.
Speaker 2: I to base my theory on what the ancient Egyptians
Speaker 2: tell us happened, Okay, I always work from what they
Speaker 2: say happened. Now there's this and because egyptology or academics
Speaker 2: like that, it's just a legend, nothing more, a myth.
Speaker 2: There's this legend called the legend of Saurid, and apparently
Speaker 2: the legend tells us that Saurid constructed the Great Pyramids
Speaker 2: at Giza, not just one, but the Great Pyramids at
Speaker 2: Giza because a disaster was unfolding in Egypt and actually
Speaker 2: probably right around the world at the time. I think
Speaker 2: the monument is much older. I think it was probably
Speaker 2: probably around the younger dry ass time, about two thousand
Speaker 2: years ago. Now, I do think there's a possibility that
Speaker 2: it was built b Cufu, but you've maybe got our
Speaker 2: timeline long or maybe the Cufu is a of the
Speaker 2: fourth dynasty. It was maybe named after original builder of
Speaker 2: the Great Pyramid. You know how like in the UK
Speaker 2: with Queen Elizabeth and Queen Elizabeth, you know Elizabeth the first,
Speaker 2: Elizabeth the second, you know, so there could have been
Speaker 2: something like that. I definitely I'm of the opinion of
Speaker 2: the opinion that the monument probably date back to about
Speaker 2: twelve hundred twelve thousand years ago. Now, this legend, and
Speaker 2: it is quite important, says that the earth turned over. Now,
Speaker 2: I know some people will think, oh God, here we go,
Speaker 2: you know, all shift, you know, earth crust displacement, Oh
Speaker 2: here we go again, absolute nonsense. Well yeah, that might
Speaker 2: be right. But let me just say that the ancient
Speaker 2: Egyptians and several different texts, maybe five six maybe different
Speaker 2: priory speak of the earth turning over, and one of
Speaker 2: them talks about how when it occurred that the sun
Speaker 2: then set in the east and rose in the west,
Speaker 2: that did this on two occasions. We have accounts from
Speaker 2: birch every part of the world, from you know, Greenland, Europe, China,
Speaker 2: South America, North America, all these ancient texts saying that
Speaker 2: that it turned over. Now I know, it sounds really
Speaker 2: really what Yeah, sure, but how can so many of
Speaker 2: these the ancients describe the same thing. Are they all hallucinating?
Speaker 2: But they all just imagine it, you know? And we
Speaker 2: have our whole bunch of evidence that Charles Hatgood presented
Speaker 2: in his book Earth Shifting Crust, which made is like
Speaker 2: nails it, you know. And there's there's more evidence that's
Speaker 2: been uncovered remediently of absolutely monumental mega mega floods in
Speaker 2: North Africa, in the west coast South Africa. The Egypt's
Speaker 2: were as well, EU the Arabia, America and Siberi. Yeah,
Speaker 2: all happening around twelve thousand years ago. These mega floods
Speaker 2: were happening. Now for for our mega flood to be
Speaker 2: happening in Siberia and West Africa and North America all
Speaker 2: at the same time, that to me suggests that the
Speaker 2: entire planet was in motion. These floods happened because of
Speaker 2: this turning motion of the earth. So the ancient Gypsum's
Speaker 2: tell us that that is why they built the Great Pyramid,
Speaker 2: because the air turned over and they anticipated that in
Speaker 2: three hundred years after this event had occurred, that there
Speaker 2: would be a giant flood that would drown the entire country.
Speaker 2: That's what would happen. So Kufu said, Okay, what we're
Speaker 2: going to do is builds and in these pyramids we
Speaker 2: will place everything that we need to resurrect the kingdom
Speaker 2: for you know, for there to be a rebirth of
Speaker 2: the Kingdom of Idiot. That's what they were basically doing.
Speaker 2: They were building these monuments as a disaster vault, disaster
Speaker 2: hovery system. And that's why the pyramids suddenly just appeared
Speaker 2: almost out of nowhere. It's why several pharaohs built multiple pyramids,
Speaker 2: like Whne, the pharaoh Hohney, who was Kufu's grandfather, built
Speaker 2: eight pyramids, all very all very small pyramids, but he
Speaker 2: built eight pyramids, none of which had you know, chambers
Speaker 2: of any kind inside them. What that was about was
Speaker 2: training population to cut transport and stack stones. It was
Speaker 2: a it was a training program for the country. That's
Speaker 2: what Whneys you know, part of the I call it
Speaker 2: Osai project or sire. This this great recovery plan that
Speaker 2: they're putting motion. Because it takes several generations to get
Speaker 2: this plan finalized. Gizer was the plan, that was the plan,
Speaker 2: that was the end it was Gezer, so Honey started
Speaker 2: the plan. Then his sons nephew continued the plan. He
Speaker 2: started building large pyramids, but they wanted to build you know,
Speaker 2: perfectly true pyramids. He eventually succeeded on his fourth attempt.
Speaker 2: He built a small pyramid. Then he built three large pyramids,
Speaker 2: some collapsed, you know, some that were steep. So it
Speaker 2: was a learning curve before implementing the plan. It was
Speaker 2: all a learning curve, you know how like the Apollo
Speaker 2: missions in the States in the nineteen sixties. Yeah, they
Speaker 2: didn't this, you know, Polo Missionary straight to the Moon, no,
Speaker 2: you ha, the Gemini missions, yeah, the Saturn missions all before,
Speaker 2: you know, the learning curve in order to get Neil
Speaker 2: Armstrong buzzle on the Moon, you know. So it was
Speaker 2: a similar thing back you know, in those times, its
Speaker 2: disaster was unfolding on the planet. They were basically building
Speaker 2: for to save themselves. This is what they were doing.
Speaker 2: The pyramids needed to be really tall so that people
Speaker 2: could see them from a long way away because this
Speaker 2: is where underneath them. To the size of them. Underneath them,
Speaker 2: they'd have all these chambers filled with everything that they
Speaker 2: would need, you know, for the population to the west
Speaker 2: to the west of the middle pyramid of cafre These galleries,
Speaker 2: they are about one hundred, one hundred of them. They're
Speaker 2: about about one hundred feet long, about twelve fifteen feet
Speaker 2: eid and about twelve feet deep. And there's about one
Speaker 2: hundred of these best of caferew'sh pyramid. You're just just
Speaker 2: like twenty meters or so thirty meters away from the
Speaker 2: Caffree's pyramid and they're huge. The massive under storage facilities
Speaker 2: and that's what easyptologists say, other storage facilities for Caffrege's
Speaker 2: afterlife or something. No, since this was for the recovery
Speaker 2: plan for the Kingdom. Now here's where it gets interesting.
Speaker 2: Under the step pick they found and massive amounts of
Speaker 2: storage vessels.
Speaker 3: We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
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Speaker 3: my guest today, Scott Creating, discussing his latest release, The
Speaker 3: Great Pyramid Hawks Part Two. Will be right back. My
Speaker 3: guest today is research investigator Scott Creighton, who's written a
Speaker 3: new book called The Great Pyramid Hoax Part Two. He
Speaker 3: has given me permission to use photographs in the YouTube channel.
Speaker 3: If you go to Earth Ancients YouTube you can see
Speaker 3: many of the images of the forged cartouche of Cufu
Speaker 3: and also other documents related to Colonel Vase. I mean
Speaker 3: it says goes your pyramid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I found You're right.
Speaker 3: They have far all kinds of plate wear and stillware.
Speaker 2: And very stray yeah yeah. And these would all have
Speaker 2: been been filled with grain. Now the grain now is
Speaker 2: the grain now is all over the floor of those
Speaker 2: step pyramid and all I mean there's miles of galleries
Speaker 2: underneath the step pyramid and are filled with grain. You know.
Speaker 2: The main thing I wanted to speak about here was
Speaker 2: the most important thing that Cufu steid he wanted to
Speaker 2: put within the Great Pyramid. And this thing, Cliff explains
Speaker 2: so much, so many of the different mysteries we have
Speaker 2: of the pyramid construction program. He said that he would
Speaker 2: place the bodies of his ancestors within the Great Pyramid.
Speaker 2: That was the most important thing. And there was a
Speaker 2: reason why that was the most important thing, because the
Speaker 2: deceased ancestors, what are called it o cyrus kings that
Speaker 2: could commune with the gods for the benefit of the
Speaker 2: living kingdom. Yeah, that's what the role of the deceased
Speaker 2: king was in the afterlife, was to assist the living kingdom,
Speaker 2: make sure the sun would glow, the wind would blow,
Speaker 2: the crops, the nile would flow. That was their role. Now,
Speaker 2: if all these kings were washed away in a deadly
Speaker 2: deluge and their bodies, their deceased mummified bodies, completely destroyed,
Speaker 2: the rebuff couldn't happen, just couldn't happen because the newd
Speaker 2: these bodies preserved dean in order that they continue this
Speaker 2: dialogue of your light with the gods, for the for
Speaker 2: the living kingdom. It was their role to make sure
Speaker 2: that after this disaster, the kingdom could be reborn. So
Speaker 2: Kuthu put all his ancestors within the Great Pyramid is
Speaker 2: the thing, the Grand Gallery. Now we're both being in there.
Speaker 2: Did you ever notice the notches on Now there's like
Speaker 2: two pavements or side, so this.
Speaker 3: Big matches gone from this to the base all the
Speaker 3: way to the very tap. And you know that no
Speaker 3: one's been able to really explain them very well. And
Speaker 3: I know you listen to this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, these notches. When al Mamon into the pyramid in
Speaker 2: eight twenty eighty, he was the first person to break
Speaker 2: into it. He went into the grand gallery, and that
Speaker 2: said that he found the statues of Cufu's ancestors. Right now,
Speaker 2: they're no longer there. But this is very very interesting
Speaker 2: because I don't know if you ever count the notches.
Speaker 2: There's twenty seven not that way, and it's twenty seven
Speaker 2: on this side. Now, if you also notice the notches,
Speaker 2: there's a large notch two and a half feet wide,
Speaker 2: and then there's another two feet wide two and a
Speaker 2: half two two and a half all the way up
Speaker 2: both sides of the Grand allergy. So basically these notches
Speaker 2: and just above them the hole in the wall. Now,
Speaker 2: these notches and the insect holes were to stabilize a
Speaker 2: statue of a king and then his queen, smaller, smaller
Speaker 2: notes for the queen, larger notch for the king. In
Speaker 2: Cuthu's ancestors, cufu'stors, king and the chief queen allay up
Speaker 2: twenty seven twenty seven of them. Now, if you actually
Speaker 2: go and count, well how many ancestors the Kufu actually have.
Speaker 2: So if you go from Kufu all the way back
Speaker 2: his father's nephew, all the way back to the pharaoh,
Speaker 2: many is the first king of the unified Ancient Egypt
Speaker 2: was many Is it was twenty seven mm hmm, it's
Speaker 2: twenty seven okay. Now here's where it gets really interesting.
Speaker 2: These were just ordinary buffane statues just to you know,
Speaker 2: celebrate Cufu's ancestors. Every tomb or pharaohs tom always had
Speaker 2: what's called a car statue, a statue of could be
Speaker 2: a large statue, a small statue. And the thing is
Speaker 2: this car statue. The reason that had a car statue
Speaker 2: was because if the body of the king decayed so
Speaker 2: badly that the car of the king's soul could no
Speaker 2: longer recognize the body, its body could no longer recognize it.
Speaker 4: What.
Speaker 2: It's a belts and braces thing. I don't know, if
Speaker 2: you're familiar with express and a backup and if you like,
Speaker 2: you know, you put braces on, you also put a
Speaker 2: belt onup right, so as a backup. And so that
Speaker 2: if the body of the king did decay, the car
Speaker 2: the soul we have a surrogate body a statue that
Speaker 2: it could continue this you know, eternal loop with the cosmos.
Speaker 2: It wouldn't the king wouldn't die because if it's soul
Speaker 2: could not recognize the body, there's no surrogate statue. The
Speaker 2: king would die a permanent death, so they use these cats. Essentially,
Speaker 2: the body did decay, the car wouldn't die. The king
Speaker 2: wouldn't die. He's got a statue the backup plant. Were
Speaker 2: these statues cast statues? Now? The thing is, I always
Speaker 2: put these cast statues in the two below the body,
Speaker 2: very close to the body, but always lower than the body.
Speaker 2: This is why I cliff that when we eventually open
Speaker 2: up the big void or see inside the big void,
Speaker 2: guess what's going to be in there?
Speaker 3: My statue.
Speaker 2: Actually no actual mummified bodies, because Kufu tells us he moved.
Speaker 2: He took all these ancestor of kings, moved their bodies
Speaker 2: to safeguard them against his coming gelude twenty seven of them.
Speaker 2: And inside the pyramid. There's only one place that can be.
Speaker 2: That's a big void, which is above the Grand gallery.
Speaker 2: Member said, the statue always had to be lower than
Speaker 2: the body, and the statues in the Grand Gallery the
Speaker 2: cast to for the body's above.
Speaker 3: How did they get up to that blood though it was?
Speaker 3: Was there a is there a sealed hallway or.
Speaker 2: What they did?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: No, there's there's this is This is the really ingenious
Speaker 2: thing about the Big Void is that they constructed, you know,
Speaker 2: how the pyramid is built layer by layer by layer.
Speaker 2: They deliberately ensured there's no passageways, no corridors. They deliberately
Speaker 2: ensure that so that there would not even be the
Speaker 2: slightest trace of of anything to you know, to have
Speaker 2: a sort of attack point for any tom raaders. There's
Speaker 2: just no attack point. You can't see anything. There's no passageways,
Speaker 2: there's no corridors. What they did was when the pyramid
Speaker 2: was building, being constructed layer by layer, there comes a
Speaker 2: point where the big voyade walls, floor alls are all built,
Speaker 2: but the ceiling is stipping. The lower the in from
Speaker 2: the ceiling, Oh my god. And then and then the
Speaker 2: built it up layer by layer until it's completed. That's
Speaker 2: how they got the men. And there's no possibly.
Speaker 3: You know, it's funny you mentioned the Big Boy because
Speaker 3: I think Zahia has been hinting that they're going to
Speaker 3: open up a space to look inside that void. He's
Speaker 3: been hinting at it since the Japanese Consortium of scientists
Speaker 3: were using the mom therapy. Mom therapy. But I mean,
Speaker 3: we're left wondering when the day is going to happen.
Speaker 2: But happening right now? Is it really happening right now? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. If you're familiar with Limitless and Matt
Speaker 2: Biale and podcast he interviewed Zahi Hawa, probably not interviewed
Speaker 2: a while back, a few months ago or back in
Speaker 2: July and last year. I think maybe, and Mark is
Speaker 2: one of the funders of the expedition to I think
Speaker 2: whether they're using some endoscopic camera or a small drone
Speaker 2: drilled from through from Campbell's chamber through to the Big Void,
Speaker 2: and then they're going to put this drone or endoscopic
Speaker 2: camera into the Big Void. So it's happening now. The
Speaker 2: said in the interview that or I've read is that
Speaker 2: they might have result early twenty twenty six, but nothing's
Speaker 2: been published yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So so.
Speaker 2: But the thing the thing about this, this this thing
Speaker 2: I was telling you about the Grand Gallery and moving
Speaker 2: the bodies of the ancestors explains so much. You know,
Speaker 2: how there's been You may have heard this that the
Speaker 2: mystery that there's been several kings before Cufu, not after Kufu,
Speaker 2: but before Cufu, there's been several ancient Egyptsian kings sarcopha
Speaker 2: guy where they opened them. They were perfectly sealed, undisturbed.
Speaker 2: They opened them and they were empty.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they'd been undisturbed, but they were rent the new,
Speaker 2: the new that had been used, because particularly there was
Speaker 2: one it was the mother of Cufu had hit ephyras
Speaker 2: our sarcophae guy was found and there was a great big,
Speaker 2: you know event in Geza, I think in eighteen twenty
Speaker 2: in nineteen twenties to open this, and then with the
Speaker 2: American egyptologist George Reisner, and when they got their uph
Speaker 2: he could see in he basically said, the idea is
Speaker 2: not receiving. It was his comment. Yeah, the things ended,
Speaker 2: but they could see it had been used. They could
Speaker 2: see the tomb was completely understood. There was gold still
Speaker 2: in the tombs, so it hadn't been raided by tomb raiders.
Speaker 2: There was markings stains on the floor of the sarcopha guy,
Speaker 2: so they know it had been used. But for some
Speaker 2: reason her body had been taken out and put somewhere
Speaker 2: else the big void. That's what Kuvu tells us. That's
Speaker 2: why we're finding all these sarcophae guy that were used.
Speaker 2: Then they basically took them out and ritually resealed, ritually resealed.
Speaker 4: You know, the.
Speaker 2: Original circopha guy again out of respect, I presume, and
Speaker 2: were of the bodies, and so he decreated pedramid just
Speaker 2: as a kufie Latin tells us. So, yeah, that's why
Speaker 2: we have these empty sarcophaga because just amazing good Latin
Speaker 2: tells us, the city of Latin tells us. And you
Speaker 2: know what's why we have these statues in the big
Speaker 2: void because of cast statues for the kings that were
Speaker 2: placed above the cast statues always below the body.
Speaker 3: Yeah, amazing. Yeah, the books called the Great Pyramid Hoax.
Speaker 3: My guessday has been Scott Creton. I want to mention
Speaker 3: to you listeners that the books available on Amazon. But
Speaker 3: Scott was mentioning that he is also on Graham Hancock's
Speaker 3: YouTube channel. I think he does a video and if
Speaker 3: you want to hear more about this, you can go
Speaker 3: there and see that, which is fantastic because I I
Speaker 3: didn't have a clue that Scott had done this recording,
Speaker 3: so you can get more information there. You know, It's funny, Scott,
Speaker 3: because when there was this consortium of I think it
Speaker 3: was Italian, Japanese Egyptian scientists that did this scanning and
Speaker 3: they found this big void they had and this is
Speaker 3: at least seven to eight nine, ten years ago now
Speaker 3: twenty seventeen, okay, yeah, fairly well not. You know, a
Speaker 3: while ago they had mentioned the void and that steps
Speaker 3: were being made to make it available for observation, but
Speaker 3: it never happened. And this is a typical problem we
Speaker 3: have with the Egyptian authorities. They tend to drag their
Speaker 3: feet or they would rather not let any more data
Speaker 3: out for whatever, for whatever reason, protect protect and to
Speaker 3: protect protect the narrative, because who knows what's in there.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's been rumors that this is Edgar Casey's
Speaker 3: famous library of data from the ancient past. Who knows what. So,
Speaker 3: but hey, this has been a wonderful chance to catch
Speaker 3: up with you, Scott as we conclude where are you
Speaker 3: at this point in terms of not only a visor's data.
Speaker 3: And we didn't even get to the thought that why
Speaker 3: are Egyptologists questioning Vice's narrative?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 3: And why are they so accepting of this one Cartouche
Speaker 3: as the the final word? Who built the pyramid?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean it's it's difficult. I mean, it's difficult
Speaker 2: for Egyptologists and wanting to work an egypt to go
Speaker 2: off peace, so to speak, and you know, the one
Speaker 2: they want to continue the research and get research FRTs
Speaker 2: and so forth and so on. It's it's a go
Speaker 2: to go off peace. But I do know of Egyptologists
Speaker 2: that have done and gone off peace, and you know,
Speaker 2: I'm in communication with them. They tell me that, you know,
Speaker 2: you're right, those smarts are fake. They tell me that
Speaker 2: I can't I wish I could give them names. I'm
Speaker 2: not just saying this, I'm making it up, absolutely not.
Speaker 2: Some people have accused me, you're just saying that, Well,
Speaker 2: why would I want to do that?
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: You know, so there are Egyptologists that say, yeah, we
Speaker 2: know they're fake, but we can't say anything. That's what
Speaker 2: I was told by an Egyptologist, you know. So, which
Speaker 2: which is is really disappointing, but it's just the way
Speaker 2: it is. And you know, ma'am, I'm hopeful that one day,
Speaker 2: when when the old guard pass on, that some of
Speaker 2: the younger Egyptologists, more hopefully open minded atologies, begin to
Speaker 2: look at this whole question of ancient past and the
Speaker 2: surd legend. Well could it be true? Well, I think
Speaker 2: it's because actually the name that's called Surud, but the
Speaker 2: name Surrid can actually translate to Cufu. I won't go
Speaker 2: into that. It's all in the book and you know
Speaker 2: if if if, folks won't read it. But the name
Speaker 2: Surrid is actually the name Cufu and explained in the
Speaker 2: book how.
Speaker 3: It is fantasy.
Speaker 6: Again.
Speaker 3: The book is The Great Pyramid Hugs number two. It's
Speaker 3: almost like a TV or excuse me, it's a follow
Speaker 3: up movie. Hey, wonderful speaking with you Scott again. Congratulations
Speaker 3: on this new book and continues success.
Speaker 2: Yep, it's been great talking to you again, Cliff. As
Speaker 2: I said, it's been a while, so we need to
Speaker 2: make it's not so long till next exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 3: There will be a gallery of photographs that you can
Speaker 3: see on the YouTube channel go to Earth Ancients and
Speaker 3: look up Scott Creighton The Great Pyramid Hoax Part two,
Speaker 3: and also on Facebook and on Instagram. I'll have a
Speaker 3: selection of photographs from the book. This brand new book
Speaker 3: came out a few months ago with a lot of
Speaker 3: details on the forgery, the Cufu forgery, and you can
Speaker 3: see why Scott is concerned about it. But you know,
Speaker 3: the bottom line is this is the only proof that
Speaker 3: Egyptologists have that Cufu built the Great Pyramid. There has
Speaker 3: never been a stuck, a steely, a standing monument, any
Speaker 3: writing that has been known. Actually, other than a small,
Speaker 3: just tiny little statue of Cufu, we have very little
Speaker 3: of him in terms of statuary or carvings or descriptions.
Speaker 3: So he's I mean, that's over three five hundred years ago,
Speaker 3: is when he was set pharaoh of the Upper and
Speaker 3: Lower Nile. So that reminds me. I have to take
Speaker 3: photographs of the king's chamber this time. I didn't take
Speaker 3: enough of him, and I'll take some of the Grand
Speaker 3: Gallery so you can take a look and see why
Speaker 3: there's so much interest in it. It's very odd. It's
Speaker 3: all very machine like. It's not really made for people.
Speaker 3: In fact, without the woodsteps that were added decades ago,
Speaker 3: you couldn't get from the entrance, the dynamited entrance to
Speaker 3: the queen or kings chambers without the stairs. It's not
Speaker 3: made for human occupancy. It's pretty strange.
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Speaker 3: so you can see all the details there. And I'm
Speaker 3: giving out latest date details. In some cases, I'm at
Speaker 3: a ruin or on a trip and a lot of
Speaker 3: this material comes from various tours and I haven't been
Speaker 3: diligent enough to be taking images of a lot of
Speaker 3: these ruins, and I need to do that.
Speaker 2: So there you go.
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Speaker 3: want to think. My guest today is Scott Craighton coming
Speaker 3: to us from Scotland. And there's always the team of
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