Speaker 1: Welcome friends, it's come podcast podcasting time.
Speaker 2: Shut Jacky again, Bryan.
Speaker 3: They're talking to mob mom. Now back, Welcome to Movie Film.
Speaker 3: It's episode three thirty seven. I'm Zaki, you son, I'm
Speaker 3: here with Brian Hall. Hey.
Speaker 2: How's it going, Zachi?
Speaker 3: It is going? What's happening? Well?
Speaker 2: This time last week you and I were hanging.
Speaker 3: Out, hanging out, hanging out doing nothing. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you came down to visit me in Los Angeles
Speaker 2: and we had a grand ole time just hanging out,
Speaker 2: just literally chilling on the couch and chat. I mean
Speaker 2: we chatted for hours and hours and hours and we
Speaker 2: were laughing so hard. Like when you left, I definitely
Speaker 2: felt that void because there was just so much laughter
Speaker 2: all weekend.
Speaker 3: Hey, that's great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh it was the best.
Speaker 3: It was the best. Yeah. When I got back on
Speaker 3: and I was like, where'd you go? Did you? I
Speaker 3: was like, didn't go anywhere. She's like, did you meet anybody?
Speaker 3: I'm like not really, She's like, what'd you do? I
Speaker 3: was like, you know, we sat on the couch, drank coffee,
Speaker 3: channel surfed and just shot the breeze. And she's like,
Speaker 3: you could have done that up here, And I was
Speaker 3: like I could have, but I didn't.
Speaker 2: Well, it's true, I mean, and you know, I had
Speaker 2: a couple ideas of things we could do, and I
Speaker 2: remember it was Saturday morning and there was like something
Speaker 2: we could possibly go to in the afternoon, and we
Speaker 2: were like, you know, this is nice. Yeah, And for
Speaker 2: all the things we were watching, I feel like it
Speaker 2: was really fun. It like inspired conversations and then there
Speaker 2: were so many riffs. We were just riffing on everything
Speaker 2: we were looking at and it was I was having
Speaker 2: the greatest time.
Speaker 3: It was so much fun. Yeah, I should say you
Speaker 3: finally watched the Tarzan movie. I was telling you about.
Speaker 2: Yes Yes, with the Alexander scarsguard Margot Robbie, and it
Speaker 2: was exactly like you said. I mean, it was the
Speaker 2: perfect Saturday afternoon T and T movie, you know, like,
Speaker 2: which is maybe doesn't sound like the biggest ringing endorsement,
Speaker 2: but sometimes you're just in the mood for something like that,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, when a movie is in theaters, there
Speaker 3: is sort of a higher barrier to entry in terms
Speaker 3: of like do I want to justify the trip and
Speaker 3: I and I would have said, you know, not for everybody.
Speaker 3: You know that that movie, but it is totally hey,
Speaker 3: let's just put something on. And it was that kind
Speaker 3: of a you know, yeah, scratches a certain itch.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it was interesting because it starts not with the
Speaker 2: like the origins of Tarzan, like he already is Tarzan
Speaker 2: and the world knows who he is, which I thought
Speaker 2: was kind of fascinating.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then he.
Speaker 2: Gets involved in an adventure yeah, which you know, I
Speaker 2: posted about that online and there was a lot of
Speaker 2: folks who were like, you know, you know, they could
Speaker 2: have done a sequel.
Speaker 3: And whatever, and I I just want to say, is
Speaker 3: something we talked about last time. I'm like, you know, maybe,
Speaker 3: but you get this one and it's good. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: that's fine. You know, I don't need I don't need
Speaker 3: five of them, you know, right, right, right right, Although
Speaker 3: I mean famously, Tarzan has been a you know, a
Speaker 3: sequel machine. I mean, they made so many Tarzan movies
Speaker 3: it is kind of nuts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were telling me about them, because I I
Speaker 2: don't really know the history of Tarzan very much, but
Speaker 2: I was surprised the types of stories he was involved in.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that's people don't realize that that, you know,
Speaker 3: Edgar Rice Burroughs who created Tarzan. Of course, I also
Speaker 3: created John Carter and and we think of John Carter
Speaker 3: as you know, Warlord of Mars, and you know, Tarzan
Speaker 3: is up you know, in Africa fighting poachers, and that's
Speaker 3: not like Tarzan in the old pulp novels. He would
Speaker 3: you know, fight lizard people, and he would go to
Speaker 3: civilizations at the center of the earth and he you know,
Speaker 3: I mean, it was a fantasy character. And it's funny
Speaker 3: how that really that in the majority of like multimedia
Speaker 3: versions that hasn't really translated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had no idea. That was a surprise to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was one. There was a syndicated television show
Speaker 3: in the late nineties. This is in the post Hercules
Speaker 3: Legendary Journey's way where suddenly everyone and their cousin was
Speaker 3: getting one of these like cheap o fantasy shows and
Speaker 3: syndication out.
Speaker 2: You know, I can see it vaguely in my mind
Speaker 2: as you say that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was called Tarzan the Epic Adventures. And it
Speaker 3: was awful, okay, I mean it made it made Hercules
Speaker 3: the Legendary Journeys look like well, not the magnifst Eberson's
Speaker 3: because that's a movie. It made it look like, you know,
Speaker 3: Magnifist and Emerson's the.
Speaker 2: Series whoa whoa Stop right there, stop.
Speaker 3: Drilling, you've hit oil.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: By the way, this is funny that the guy who
Speaker 3: played Tarzan in that in that syndicated show, it lasted
Speaker 3: like I mean, let me put it this way, and
Speaker 3: this is this is like a Chicago area reference. It
Speaker 3: was not classy enough for w g N or or
Speaker 3: God Help Us w p w R. It was on
Speaker 3: It was on w c I U twenty six. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: you that's right.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, and my tears down, but that's really saying something.
Speaker 3: Anyway. The guy his name was Joe Lara, okay. And
Speaker 3: after his Tarzan uh uh you know the period I
Speaker 3: was gonna say fame, but no, his period as Tarzan ended. Uh.
Speaker 3: He ended up uh marrying some woman who was like
Speaker 3: like a wealthy dowager sort and and he he became
Speaker 3: like a like an online personality, like a uh you know,
Speaker 3: one of these Joel Ostein types.
Speaker 2: No kidding, yeah, yeah, this and it's like a story.
Speaker 3: It really well. And then just recently, at least in
Speaker 3: the last several years. I don't know exactly when he died,
Speaker 3: in a single engine plane crash he was flying. He's
Speaker 3: flying a plane and a crash just in the last
Speaker 3: several years. Wow. And I only know about this because
Speaker 3: my brother he's gotten like really into like cult documentaries
Speaker 3: and stuff, and so he pinged me one day He's like, Hey,
Speaker 3: who is the guy who played Tarzan in that show?
Speaker 3: And right away I'm like, Joe Lara, Because that's the
Speaker 3: ship that lives in my house.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, yeah, yeah, amazing.
Speaker 3: I don't know my children's birthdays. I would it's like
Speaker 3: it's a coin toss for a few of them. But
Speaker 3: but I'll be goddamned if I don't know that Joe
Speaker 3: Laura played Tarzan in Tarzan the Epic Adventures, which is
Speaker 3: on a third tier. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, So anyway,
Speaker 3: that's like a fascinating little little story there anyway, really is. Yeah. Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 3: there's our there's Tarzan talk here on a movie film. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we'll revisit the segment in future weeks with all kinds
Speaker 3: of Tarzan trivia, no doubt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or maybe when we do the commentary for Legend Tarzan.
Speaker 3: You know what, I would actually be totally down for that.
Speaker 3: I think that would be a lot of fun. I
Speaker 3: think there's a lot to talk about.
Speaker 2: And you have like early Margot Robbie in there, right
Speaker 2: before she blew up, and I mean good.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I mean the legend of Tarzan came out
Speaker 3: like two months before Suicide Squad, So I mean, if
Speaker 3: we think of I mean, she was already on the
Speaker 3: map because of you know, Will for Wall Street. But
Speaker 3: I think for many people, Suicide Squad really set her
Speaker 3: apart as like, oh, she's bringing something extra. So this
Speaker 3: is like in the in just the run up to that. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And scars Guard is good in the movie as Tarzan.
Speaker 3: I think he's really good Tarzan.
Speaker 2: By the way, I listened to the SmartLess podcast. I
Speaker 2: don't always listen. I usually listen when there's someone I'm
Speaker 2: interested in.
Speaker 3: This is the Jason Bateman, Yeah.
Speaker 2: We'll Larnette Hayes podcast, and they had Margot Robbion recently,
Speaker 2: and she was really fascinating to listen to because when
Speaker 2: you think about it, she has like just exploded, you know,
Speaker 2: in a really really short amount of time into this
Speaker 2: not necessarily a mogul, but I mean she is like
Speaker 2: not just like an actress that appears in like a
Speaker 2: lot of amazing things and does amazing work. But she's
Speaker 2: also this like really impressive producer and you know, her
Speaker 2: production company like makes billion dollar movies, right, and this
Speaker 2: is all relatively within about ten years, you know, And
Speaker 2: so it's it's funny because I remember in Wolf of
Speaker 2: Wall Street, like she you think she's going to be
Speaker 2: like the pretty wife that just is a little bit
Speaker 2: of an antagonist to Kaprio's character, but then she ends
Speaker 2: up being like a co lead who basically runs away
Speaker 2: with every scene that she's in, and you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: who is this, Like she's I haven't seen her before,
Speaker 2: and she is like going toe to toe and then
Speaker 2: she just never stopped everything she did. She just exploded,
Speaker 2: you know, suicide Squad, it, Tania, all those sorts of things.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, she became like a producing force. So
Speaker 2: it was kind of cool to listen to her just
Speaker 2: talk about that journey, yeah, and just how quickly it
Speaker 2: happened and how it happened.
Speaker 3: And so I mean truly when I first saw her,
Speaker 3: I saw her as Jamie Presley two point zero.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right right, you know, And.
Speaker 3: No disrespect to Jamie Presley, but you know, she has
Speaker 3: certainly expanded beyond being being typified as such.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: AnyWho, Hey, what else? What else have you seen recently?
Speaker 2: You know, I'll talk about a couple of things, but
Speaker 2: real quick, I want to mention I had mentioned this
Speaker 2: in a previous episode. I was lucky enough to attend
Speaker 2: the DGA had their awards recently, and they had a
Speaker 2: panel where it was the directors that had been nominated
Speaker 2: for Best Director that year. So basically it was a
Speaker 2: conversation with Paul Thomas Anderson, Ryan Coogler, Guermero Del Toro,
Speaker 2: Josh Safti, and Chloe Jao And it was really amazing.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was like a three hour long conversation
Speaker 2: with them, and I just I wrote down a couple
Speaker 2: things I thought were kind of interesting that I would share.
Speaker 2: Chloe Joao was talking about when she directs, she's like
Speaker 2: very into dream work, Okay, you know, so like before
Speaker 2: they start their day, she and the actors would journal
Speaker 2: their dreams from the night before, talk about them together,
Speaker 2: and based on those conversations that could dictate or even
Speaker 2: like change the direction of the day that they had planned.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Right, so She's like there could be a complete, like
Speaker 2: a setup that was already ready to go, lights, everything,
Speaker 2: but based on our conversation about our dreams, we might
Speaker 2: move the whole thing, you know. And it's funny because
Speaker 2: I I, maybe this is just me, but I sort
Speaker 2: of felt a like through the crowd because they're all directors,
Speaker 2: you know, like that sounds like, you know, I lose
Speaker 2: so much time and money and whatever. But hey, it's
Speaker 2: worked for her so far, right. But what was really
Speaker 2: funny was Germo del Toro, who was sitting next to her.
Speaker 2: He had a funny response after she had said that
Speaker 2: about the dream Works and how important it is to
Speaker 2: her and her work. He's like, well, this is why
Speaker 2: I'm glad we had these chats, because you know, we learn.
Speaker 2: You know, it's nice to hear that that works for you.
Speaker 2: And he said the only time an actor said to me,
Speaker 2: I want to work with my dream coach, I said, well,
Speaker 2: he's going to have to dream about that because he
Speaker 2: ain't coming. And then he's like, well, maybe you know,
Speaker 2: based on what you're saying, I'd be open to that now.
Speaker 1: And it was.
Speaker 3: It was great.
Speaker 2: He was Germo del Toro. I could listen to him
Speaker 2: talk for hours. He just has amazing stories, amazing anecdotes.
Speaker 2: He was talking about how, you know, you want to
Speaker 2: be prepared with your actors and the roles and have
Speaker 2: those discussions beforehand. So when you're on set and you're
Speaker 2: give direction, you should never really say more than four
Speaker 2: or five words in them to calibrate. And he goes,
Speaker 2: if you have to go more than that, then you're screwed.
Speaker 2: And and it's funny because everyone seemed to kind of
Speaker 2: nod in agreement, and I just thought that was kind
Speaker 2: of fascinating. So he was saying slower half, you know,
Speaker 2: things like that, and I thought that was kind of interesting.
Speaker 2: And then Paul Thomas Anderson, I was for as much
Speaker 2: of an auteur as he is, I was surprised to
Speaker 2: hear how collaborative he was. Like a lot of ideas
Speaker 2: from other people, from the actors themselves formed big parts
Speaker 2: of the narrative of one battle after another. Like Benizio
Speaker 2: del Toro gave him the idea. He said, I want
Speaker 2: this guy to not just be assisting to Capitol's character,
Speaker 2: but I think he should also at the same time
Speaker 2: be operating this Mexican underground railroad.
Speaker 3: Things that came from him, Yes, incredible, and.
Speaker 2: That's and Anderson just freely like that's a great.
Speaker 3: Idea, right, Like I mean, I think it's an essential
Speaker 3: part of the character one.
Speaker 2: Hundred percent in the movie itself. And wow, I just
Speaker 2: love that Anderson sounds that collaborative because it feels like
Speaker 2: he would probably have everything buttoned down, you know, like
Speaker 2: have the vision in his mind, have it all on
Speaker 2: the page. So I thought that was kind of fascinating.
Speaker 2: And then uh Ran Coogler told a story I thought
Speaker 2: it was interesting where he was saying, you know, filming
Speaker 2: on location, they had this you know, at the end
Speaker 2: of the movie, there's that body of water that the
Speaker 2: actors get into that the sun is rising, and he
Speaker 2: said that that I don't know what it was, like
Speaker 2: a pond or a lake or something. He said that
Speaker 2: it was filled with alligators. So what they did was
Speaker 2: they built like a little extension that had a wall
Speaker 2: between the real part of the water and this part
Speaker 2: that the actors could get into, like a partition or
Speaker 2: something in the ground, and so it looked like one
Speaker 2: body of water, he said, but the alligators did come
Speaker 2: out like we're watching as they filmed, and I was like,
Speaker 2: oh man, that sounds like a nightmare, but it's just
Speaker 2: I love the idea of that, because I wasn't thinking
Speaker 2: about that at all when I was watching. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: just them splashing through the water, but just the fact
Speaker 2: that the links that they went through, like, let's build
Speaker 2: an extra portion of this lake so the alligators can't
Speaker 2: eat our actors. Like, just hearing that story, I thought,
Speaker 2: movie so interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, I love it, so it's great.
Speaker 2: It was fascinating. I was really glad I got to
Speaker 2: attend that. Two movies I'll talk about real quick. I
Speaker 2: had mentioned this. We had mentioned this back in December,
Speaker 2: I think. But James L. Brooks had a movie that
Speaker 2: came out in twenty twenty five called Ella McKay, which
Speaker 2: I was a little surprised to learn, you know, you
Speaker 2: were as interested in it as I was. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: probably for the same reasons. The IMDb summary says, an
Speaker 2: idealistic young woman juggles her family and work life in
Speaker 2: a comedy about the people you love and how to
Speaker 2: survive them. So it's basically, you know, this young woman
Speaker 2: becomes governor of a state that's never named, and just
Speaker 2: all the stuff that she has to endure between you know,
Speaker 2: things at work and with her family. And I think
Speaker 2: what appealed to me is from the trailer, this movie
Speaker 2: looked like something straight out of two thousand and three.
Speaker 3: Dude, I was about to say it escaped from nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety eight.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. I mean you can imagine the song suddenly
Speaker 2: I see playing somewhere in it, you know, like as
Speaker 2: she's like, you know, her shoot or her heel breaks
Speaker 2: and she's trying to walk down the sidewalk or something
Speaker 2: like that. You know, what's what's a governor to do?
Speaker 2: And yeah, I wanted to see it because I think
Speaker 2: what you just said, you agree, Like we miss these
Speaker 2: kind of warm dramedies, you know, like as good as
Speaker 2: It Gets, or a lot of Rob Rinery kind of
Speaker 2: stuff American President Harry mit Sally or even Cameron Crow,
Speaker 2: you know, like Jerry Maguire. Like they're very sincere and
Speaker 2: maybe even like bordering on corny, but in a way
Speaker 2: that feels like a cozy blanket. And I'm sorry to
Speaker 2: say that movie doesn't quite rise of those levels unfortunately.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, like a lot of the dialogue
Speaker 2: and the way that the characters behave is really like
Speaker 2: cutesy pooh okay, you know, and like kind of like
Speaker 2: a Hallmark card come to life, which confusingly is sort
Speaker 2: of what I showed up for. Okay, and occasionally it
Speaker 2: felt kind of nice and it was like what I
Speaker 2: was hoping for, but it also I think too much
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 3: Wow, just so you're you're like tigger, right, Tiggers like
Speaker 3: tiggers love honey. And then he takes Poo's honey. He's
Speaker 3: just putting tiggers hate honey.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess so, yeah, I mean because those other
Speaker 2: ones are calibrated. Okay, well enough, like I'm saying, I mean,
Speaker 2: Jerry McGuire is kind of a corny movie, but it's
Speaker 2: calibrated just right where you're really happy when he shows
Speaker 2: up at the end and says, you know that you
Speaker 2: complete me thing? Yeah stop, you know you had me
Speaker 2: at hello. Like and this one, unfortunately just leans too
Speaker 2: far into the hallmarky qtpooh stuff and it's but what's
Speaker 2: great is it has a lot of interesting ideas. You know,
Speaker 2: like her dad played by Woody Harrelson. He's this lithario
Speaker 2: kind of guy who never faces any consequences for like
Speaker 2: his you know, his actions and then she then later
Speaker 2: when she's an adult, she has this almost wholesome sex
Speaker 2: scandal that that happens, but she's forced to confront the
Speaker 2: public about it and make hard decisions that could affect
Speaker 2: her her career, you know, and it's it's kind of unfair.
Speaker 2: And it also kind of talks about maybe you can't
Speaker 2: be honest and get good work done while you're in
Speaker 2: public office. Maybe you have to find other avenues to
Speaker 2: get real stuff done, you know, because there's can be
Speaker 2: a game and that's kind of interesting. But then there's
Speaker 2: this like subplot about her brother that is just unbearable. Wow,
Speaker 2: And it does not connect to hardly anything, Like to me,
Speaker 2: it felt like a page in a notebook that Brooks
Speaker 2: had where he's like, oh, this could be something, And
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, I'm in my mid eighties.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm gonna be making more movies.
Speaker 2: Let's just try to shoehorn it in here. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to say I was cringing a little bit
Speaker 2: more than I would like as I was watching this,
Speaker 2: which is a bummer.
Speaker 3: You know. Yeah. I like everything.
Speaker 2: I like all the ingredients, and I like the spirit
Speaker 2: what it was trying to do. But at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, I just it's pretty messy, And yeah,
Speaker 2: I left disappointed and just wishing, wishing it had been
Speaker 2: more of the thing it was aiming for. So I
Speaker 2: can't say I regret watching it. I was curious and
Speaker 2: I am glad that I checked it out despite being
Speaker 2: let down. Yeah, I want more cozy sort of stories
Speaker 2: like this, but yeah, unfortunately this was a swing and
Speaker 2: a miss.
Speaker 3: Well. And this gets to the discussion we were having
Speaker 3: before about I mean, when's the last time James L.
Speaker 3: Brooks had a film that really broke through and you know,
Speaker 3: had had some role in the zeitgeist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and it's and this is not I
Speaker 2: don't mean this personally, but you know, maybe you you
Speaker 2: had your finger on the pulse at one time, right,
Speaker 2: and and it was the right moment because that was
Speaker 2: the pulse, that was what people wanted, that's what people
Speaker 2: were connecting with.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: But then people, you know, we talk about this a lot, right.
Speaker 2: The seventies had a lot of movies that were very
Speaker 2: gritty and you know, anti heroes and you know, the
Speaker 2: hero died at the end for doing the right thing,
Speaker 2: you know, Right, But then the eighties, we wanted a
Speaker 2: little more escape, you know, and we kind of moved
Speaker 2: on to where we want the hero to win and
Speaker 2: you know, a nice moral at the end of it,
Speaker 2: and you know what I mean, like things kind of
Speaker 2: evolve and this really cute see folksy Hallmark cart of
Speaker 2: a movie just doesn't necessarily have a place.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Actually, I'm kind of conflicted with what I'm saying because
Speaker 2: I showed up for that reason, and I think it
Speaker 2: could appeal to a certain amount of people maybe who
Speaker 2: are looking, like I say, for a cozy blanket movie.
Speaker 2: But I don't think that's the issue with this movie.
Speaker 2: I think the issue is that the movie didn't come
Speaker 2: together well enough well that you.
Speaker 3: Know, just by chance. I was talking about Ella McKay
Speaker 3: in my class earlier this week, and not because I've
Speaker 3: seen it. I had a student who said, oh, I
Speaker 3: watched it. I said, oh, what do you think? And
Speaker 3: they kind of echoed, you like, didn't really come together,
Speaker 3: you know, And I was making a broader point, which
Speaker 3: is something we've talked about where you know, like directors,
Speaker 3: storytellers more broadly, you know, they get a window and
Speaker 3: eventually the world moves on, you know, the window can
Speaker 3: be short, it can be long, but it's still you know,
Speaker 3: at some point you're not you're you're not at the
Speaker 3: top of your class anymore. Sure because of those geist
Speaker 3: has shifted, you know, and so certainly James L. Brooks,
Speaker 3: I mean again, as good as it gets right, the
Speaker 3: last successful right, I think that's the last thing that
Speaker 3: comes to mind for me. Yeah, right, Uh, you know,
Speaker 3: we when we talked about Rob Reiner, right, it's like
Speaker 3: he had that window from you know, about ten ten
Speaker 3: years let's say, where it's just like hitter after hitter
Speaker 3: after hitter, and then he just couldn't you know, he
Speaker 3: couldn't connect with the ball.
Speaker 2: Right right later, things like rumor.
Speaker 3: Has it, Yeah, you know, I mean but that run
Speaker 3: oh yeah, right, legendary spinal tap, Princess Bride, you know,
Speaker 3: misery few good and American President, I mean just brons
Speaker 3: of those put him on the mantle. There's your call
Speaker 3: it a career after that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: But you know, everyone gets their window, you know, I
Speaker 3: mean you and I were talking about with genuine curiosity,
Speaker 3: how is Steven Spielberg's disclosure day going to play when
Speaker 3: really it's largely being sold on his name.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because although he is still Steven Spielberg, you know,
Speaker 2: and everybody knows who he is. I mean for people
Speaker 2: who weren't around in the eighties nineties, like he was
Speaker 2: King of the Mountain, that's right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And I think now he is a legend. But his
Speaker 2: movies you can't count on them to take the world
Speaker 2: by storm in the way that they used to.
Speaker 3: That's right, right, Yeah, you know what.
Speaker 2: This reminds me. I wasn't gonna bring this up, but
Speaker 2: I think this is related. So last night, for the
Speaker 2: first time, I watched the movie Blood Diamond, Oh okay,
Speaker 2: Edward Zwick, Diamond, Hunsu Leonardo DiCaprio, Jennifer Connolly. And I
Speaker 2: told you about this when you were here a week ago.
Speaker 2: I said, this is an airplane movie for me, meaning
Speaker 2: I've never seen it. I feel like DiCaprio almost always
Speaker 2: is in things that are a little elevated, you know,
Speaker 2: you can count on them to be a certain level
Speaker 2: of good. And somehow I miss that movie. And so
Speaker 2: when I get on an airplane and they have, you know,
Speaker 2: the screen on the seat, and I'm scrolling through and
Speaker 2: I'm sort of saving maybe two or three movies to
Speaker 2: choose from. I always pick Blood Diamond, Blood Diamond because
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I feel like I miss this and
Speaker 2: it's probably got to be a certain level of good.
Speaker 2: And I ended up I didn't know what to watch
Speaker 2: last night, so I watched Blood Diamond and I thought
Speaker 2: it was good, but I thought there was something interesting
Speaker 2: about it. It is very serious. I mean, it's about
Speaker 2: conflict diamonds, it's about child armies, you know, like ten
Speaker 2: year olds with machine guns murdering people. It's a very
Speaker 2: very serious topic. But it is filmed like a Hollywood blockbuster,
Speaker 2: and the tone very much plays like a Hollywood blockbuster.
Speaker 2: And I was like, this feels like two thousand and five,
Speaker 2: and I don't feel like this same script or story
Speaker 2: would be executed this way in twenty twenty six. I
Speaker 2: don't think people would accept it. And I thought that
Speaker 2: was kind of fascinating, sort of you know, as we
Speaker 2: talk about just what people expect tones, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, from certain sorts of stories. Yeah, and that
Speaker 2: might have played in that moment. I mean, it was
Speaker 2: nominated for a bunch of Oscars, and I did think
Speaker 2: it was really well done, but I was sort of
Speaker 2: surprised by the almost blockbuster movie types of turns that
Speaker 2: it took, or the way that like the action. I mean,
Speaker 2: we're watching a lot of people just being squibs oh
Speaker 2: down by machine gun fire. But it feels like I'm
Speaker 2: watching an action movie. That's interesting, whereas I think now
Speaker 2: it would be handled a little differently. Yeah, yeah, which
Speaker 2: is just kind of an interesting like what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: Seventies feel like this, early two thousands feel like this,
Speaker 2: two thousand tens, twenties feel like this, right.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, So yeah, Edswick did Last Samurai.
Speaker 2: Just before that, right right, which I saw in theaters
Speaker 2: and I don't remember very well.
Speaker 3: I'd be curious to Yeah, I mean that's another one.
Speaker 3: It like goes down fine, but I don't know that
Speaker 3: it really stays with you. Great score though, Hans Zimmer,
Speaker 3: Oh right, right right. I've definitely listened to that a bunch,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: I know Zick wrote a book recently that I don't
Speaker 2: remember the title, but just anecdotes from making movies, hits, flops.
Speaker 3: And other illusions my forty something years in Hollywood. There
Speaker 3: you go.
Speaker 2: I thought it's not really interesting. I heard him on
Speaker 2: a couple of podcasts talking about it and sharing some
Speaker 2: stores and at some point that's something I'd like to read.
Speaker 3: Have you read it? I have not, although I believe
Speaker 3: I have it in my audio library. Oh nice, yeah, nice?
Speaker 3: Anything else of noteworth mentioning?
Speaker 2: One more? I watched The Smashing Machine. Ah, yes, right,
Speaker 2: which was made by as Saft. This is by Benny Safty,
Speaker 2: who is the one who we see acting more often, right,
Speaker 2: like he was in Oppenheimer.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And this is I'm reading off IMDb the story of
Speaker 2: Mixed Martial Arts and UFC champion Mark Kerr, played by
Speaker 2: Dwayne the Rock Johnson. And this is an interesting one
Speaker 2: because this came out I think it's September, and I
Speaker 2: think most people expected this to be like an award
Speaker 2: season movie and there'd be a lot of buzz around
Speaker 2: Dwayne Johnson's performance, Right, but.
Speaker 3: Then iterformance in the movie or while promoting the movie
Speaker 3: with his glasses and his and his steepled fingers.
Speaker 2: His steepled figure, that's so perfect. Yeah, yeah, but it
Speaker 2: but it didn't really perform, and then it kind of
Speaker 2: got forgotten about and it hasn't been a part of
Speaker 2: the words conversation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and people prefer Ping Pong from from Uh Safty
Speaker 3: is instead of a fresh Safty Yeah.
Speaker 2: Which we did like. But anyway, I miss Smashing Machine.
Speaker 2: I meant to check it out, but it left quickly
Speaker 2: and then anyway, it's it's on HBO Max now. And
Speaker 2: for me, this is kind of an interesting one. I
Speaker 2: can't say that I thought it worked as a whole.
Speaker 2: And the reason is the story itself doesn't feel completely satisfying,
Speaker 2: but there are a lot of good things here at
Speaker 2: the same time. It's it's sort of like the opposite
Speaker 2: of the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
Speaker 2: Like the parts are pretty good, you know, like the
Speaker 2: whole it's okay, you know, like the good the performances actually,
Speaker 2: Emily Blunt, Dwayne Johnson, you know, I think I I'll
Speaker 2: speak for myself. I've kind of come down on Johnson
Speaker 2: in recent years, and I think a lot of it
Speaker 2: has to do with he He was very popular for
Speaker 2: a while, but then as he kept making movies that
Speaker 2: I thought weren't very good. He was just always playing
Speaker 2: the same person, kind of like you know, a boy
Speaker 2: scout who could do no wrong, who never got injured,
Speaker 2: but had a million dollar smile and it was starting
Speaker 2: to get a little stale for me. But I gotta
Speaker 2: say he is very very good in this movie, like
Speaker 2: really makes the case like he is a very good actor.
Speaker 3: Steepled fingers justified.
Speaker 2: He earned he earned that. Yeah, and you know it.
Speaker 2: Also it has some very compelling scenes okay, but overall
Speaker 2: it doesn't really have a lot of structure to it
Speaker 2: or or like even stakes. I mean there there are
Speaker 2: moments of drama that I found interesting, but it just
Speaker 2: as a as a as a movie, as a whole,
Speaker 2: as a story, it just I don't know, just didn't
Speaker 2: come together or phil as compelling and overall as a
Speaker 2: whole as it should.
Speaker 3: I feel. So here here here's my thought. I think
Speaker 3: I think we can solve. I think we can be
Speaker 3: like a problem solvers for Hollywood. We got we just
Speaker 3: talked about two movies that underperformed. Let's pool our resources.
Speaker 3: So James L. Brooks makes the Smashing McKay Oh yes,
Speaker 3: about a lieutenant governor who resigns to become a wrestler.
Speaker 2: Okay, go on, that's all I got so far. Okay, Well,
Speaker 2: then I think chat GPT can can feel in the
Speaker 2: rest now Scoot chat GPT let's do this. But then
Speaker 2: then this guy Mark Kerr, you know, runs for public office.
Speaker 2: But then he has a wholesome sex scandal that he
Speaker 2: has to confront spite his Lithorio dad getting away with everything,
Speaker 2: played by Woody Harrelson.
Speaker 3: I think that, I think, I think the the dollars
Speaker 3: will print themselves.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, but you know, I couldn't help but think
Speaker 2: of the movie The Wrestler, the Darren Aronofsky movie. Oh sure, yeah,
Speaker 2: what's his name?
Speaker 3: Uh, Micky or.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mickey Rourke and Rissa Toomey.
Speaker 3: And that's sad, by the way, we went from Mickey
Speaker 3: Rourke's triumphant Oscar nominated to come back to what's his name? Dude?
Speaker 2: Well, it's sad because the first I pictured him in
Speaker 2: that movie, and then I was thinking of Sin City
Speaker 2: and I was seeing him, you know, black and white.
Speaker 3: You know, I just took me a second.
Speaker 2: But and now, to be fair that this movie is
Speaker 2: a true story.
Speaker 3: That movie, I.
Speaker 2: Don't think is The Wrestler inspired by a lot of
Speaker 2: true stories that have been you know, combined together. But
Speaker 2: that is a really great story character journey. I really
Speaker 2: loved that movie and I would recommend that again for
Speaker 2: people looking for a little bit more of a dynamic
Speaker 2: but grounded and gritty and heartfelt wrestling story. But to
Speaker 2: be fair, I like that they didn't make stuff up
Speaker 2: for this curse story. At least they didn't you know,
Speaker 2: invent characters and.
Speaker 3: Oh like try to zazz it up from really you know,
Speaker 3: and and I tend to like kind of you know, hang.
Speaker 2: Out movies, you know, Once upon a Time in Hollywood,
Speaker 2: Train Dreams, Lost in Translation, those sorts of things. They
Speaker 2: don't have a lot of story, but you enjoy existing
Speaker 2: with those characters. But for some reason, this one was
Speaker 2: just lacking a propulsion for me.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: So yeah, but but some good scenes, great performances, and
Speaker 2: so if those positive things sound like enough for you
Speaker 2: to check this out, I say, you know, give it
Speaker 2: a watch on HBO Max.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, kind of kind of a mixed bag with
Speaker 2: some admiration.
Speaker 3: Okay for me, okay, okay, yeah, Well real quickly, I'll
Speaker 3: just mention that I have seen the first four episodes
Speaker 3: of the reboot of Scrubs.
Speaker 2: Oh very curious.
Speaker 3: So this starts this coming Wednesday. As we were recording
Speaker 3: those Wednesday the twenty fifth, Were you a Scrubsky? I
Speaker 3: can't remember.
Speaker 2: No, I came to it kind of late, you know,
Speaker 2: many many years later on streaming, and I remember, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be honest, I had a friend who I think
Speaker 2: said that they didn't like it, okay, and that got
Speaker 2: a little bit in my head. I was like, Oh, well,
Speaker 2: they don't like it, so I guess this probably isn't
Speaker 2: for me, and and so I just I don't know.
Speaker 2: I didn't engage with it. But then I saw it
Speaker 2: years later and was like, oh, this is really fun
Speaker 2: and I liked it because it was funny and the
Speaker 2: characters were all great, and it also managed to balance
Speaker 2: this almost impossible possible mix of tones. Yeah you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, like really really almost mad magazine or
Speaker 2: like like simpsony humor. But then it would get deadly
Speaker 2: serious and sincere in parts, and somehow they pulled it off.
Speaker 2: So yes, I finally saw most of it and liked.
Speaker 3: It a lot. Well, if you liked it, I suspect
Speaker 3: you like this, okay. I think it's it's I mean, gosh,
Speaker 3: it's been what sixteen years since the previous show ended. Wow, yeah,
Speaker 3: so this is season ten. I like that they're promoting
Speaker 3: it that way, although it basically ignores the ninth season.
Speaker 3: Oh right, right, which was kind of this attempt to
Speaker 3: create a next generation handoff within the show. You know.
Speaker 2: Wait, so I feel like a couple legacy characters appeared
Speaker 2: in that one. Are they basically saying that whatever roles
Speaker 2: or positions at the hospital they had in that season,
Speaker 2: they're just ignoring all that?
Speaker 3: That is my sense, Yes, okay, and so I think
Speaker 3: that's what Zach Braff has said as well, like we're
Speaker 3: we're just not acknowledging the ninth season. Okay, but yeah,
Speaker 3: the whole gang is back. You know, we got we
Speaker 3: got Zach Braf, Donald Faison. I remember talking when we
Speaker 3: were talking about Clueless, you know, anytime we saw Donald Faison.
Speaker 2: Like, how is Zach Braff not next tent?
Speaker 3: Like we just there. We associate them as as they
Speaker 3: they're match set, you know. So it's great to see
Speaker 3: them together again. Uh, Sarah Chalk is back. The one
Speaker 3: disappointment for me is that John C McGinley is recurring
Speaker 3: and not a regular Yeah, I want more doctor Cox.
Speaker 3: I feel like doctor Cox is the the glue. You know,
Speaker 3: he was always my favorite character on the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's hilarious.
Speaker 3: So that I just want more of him. But but
Speaker 3: it's it's Scrubs, man. I I grew up with it, right, Like,
Speaker 3: I mean I that show started, gosh was it? Oh one?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 3: You know, so I was just about wrapping up college
Speaker 3: and so a very very formative part of that very
Speaker 3: formative part of a very I'm a part of my life,
Speaker 3: you know, that era, leaving college, going into the real world,
Speaker 3: getting married, all that stuff. You know, my first two kids.
Speaker 3: That was all during the Scrubs era.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Wow. So I think this season is nine. I don't
Speaker 3: know if if their plan is to keep going, but
Speaker 3: I certainly hope so. I mean, gosh, they haven't. They
Speaker 3: haven't skipped a beat, you know.
Speaker 2: That's great?
Speaker 3: Yeah, minus again that that ninth season.
Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting too. I Mean in that original seasons
Speaker 2: they were the underdogs, right, like they were sort of
Speaker 2: like in training, right, that's right, Like, so now are
Speaker 2: they the top dogs at the hospital?
Speaker 3: Like? Yeah, I mean that's that's the That's what's interesting
Speaker 3: is that it's playing similar beats as that ninth season.
Speaker 3: But I think with the passage of time and the
Speaker 3: fact that the characters are older, we sort of expect
Speaker 3: that they're going to have different roles in the in
Speaker 3: the narrative, right and and I think, at least for
Speaker 3: me more importantly, the story is still focus on our guy,
Speaker 3: mm hmm. Right. Like, what I remember most about the
Speaker 3: ninth season is that the first episode starts with with
Speaker 3: JD and you know, it's his narration, and then and
Speaker 3: then as he's talking, the narration gets taken over by,
Speaker 3: you know, by the new Essentially the new JD.
Speaker 2: That's very clever, might not be very satisfying or what
Speaker 2: I want that that was the ninth season. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: that's a clever idea, I think, to hand it up.
Speaker 3: But I think audiences just weren't ready for that.
Speaker 2: No, I agree, I mean, but you're not showing up
Speaker 2: for the new person. It's like saved by the Bell,
Speaker 2: the new class. I want to see Zach Morris. I
Speaker 2: don't want to see this, that's right.
Speaker 3: So, so you know, this is something that that Bill
Speaker 3: Lawrence talked about where he wanted to call it Scrubs
Speaker 3: med School and situated as a different show. Right, And
Speaker 3: had they done that, maybe people would have been more
Speaker 3: receptive to it.
Speaker 2: Sure, but the network, I'm assuming was.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, exactly, No, no, you gotta call it scrubs,
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, And and so this show smartly, it's
Speaker 3: still it keeps us with our people. And oh, by
Speaker 3: the way, here are these these new interns that they're supervising.
Speaker 3: It feels like that.
Speaker 2: Would be satisfying. I mean, that's kind of the thing,
Speaker 2: right with these legacy quels. Typically they introduce a younger
Speaker 2: generation that's eventually going to step up and take over,
Speaker 2: and you know, it's a lot of gambling that we're
Speaker 2: going to immediately fall in love with those people and
Speaker 2: want to see less of the people we are actually
Speaker 2: showing up for.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: So that sounds like a good balance, right, Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: too bad that doctor Cox isn't in it as much.
Speaker 2: But I feel like, yeah, if Brath and Faison were
Speaker 2: reoccurring characters occasionally, that would feel like a big bummer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like like in the what was the name of
Speaker 3: the character who was like she was, I mean, it
Speaker 3: was unfair to her. She sort of had to become
Speaker 3: the what's her name? Carrie Boschet? Is that her name? Shoot?
Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's her. She's from She's an Argo, Okay. Anyway,
Speaker 3: she was like the new lead. She was like the
Speaker 3: new JDA, and it was it's like that's too much pressure,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, so nine nine episodes I've seen four. They
Speaker 3: go down easy and they do stay with you a
Speaker 3: little bit so a little yeah, uh not not not
Speaker 3: too shabby. I would say that sounds fun.
Speaker 2: I'm in the mood for something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh yeah, yeah, I think I think you are. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I concur yes, you are in the mood for that, Brian.
Speaker 3: That's uh, that's Wednesday, and then they'll be streaming the
Speaker 3: next day. And then I've also started watching the second
Speaker 3: season of Monarch, which is the Legacy of Monsters, right, yes,
Speaker 3: which I don't think you ever got around to watching
Speaker 3: that first season, right.
Speaker 2: No, that was HBO Max right no, Apple TV plus,
Speaker 2: my apologies, do you have Apple TV Plus?
Speaker 3: I do? Okay, it's good, you know. Well I I
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna speak to the second season because I
Speaker 3: can't talk about that yet, but the first season, you know,
Speaker 3: I I think you and I both after watching that
Speaker 3: last Godzilla versus Kong movie, we're like, okay, that's enough
Speaker 3: of that, yes, right. I like this show because it
Speaker 3: it's it lives within that world and it and it's
Speaker 3: very and I mean this in a compliment way, I
Speaker 3: swear it's very Agents of Shield. Okay, sure, where it's like,
Speaker 3: you got interesting characters and and you have this storyline
Speaker 3: that that's playing out across two time periods. So if
Speaker 3: you remember the Conceit and the show is you have
Speaker 3: you have Kurt Russell in the present and White Russell
Speaker 3: in the past, but they're playing the same which is great. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I love that. So a new season of that starts
Speaker 3: this coming week. It's nice. AnyWho, Hey, we got some
Speaker 3: listener letters, Brian. You have been after me. Eighteen thousands,
Speaker 3: all addressed.
Speaker 2: You've got mailed.
Speaker 3: Here's a note we got from Matthew who emailed us
Speaker 3: in Movie Film Podcast at gmail dot com. He says, ohla, gents,
Speaker 3: regarding the leadership change at Lucasfilm and the timeline hoopla
Speaker 3: at Galaxy's Edge, I think a key question for Star
Speaker 3: Wars' future will be the use of the classic characters
Speaker 3: of Luke, Lea and Han. They're obviously dead and gone
Speaker 3: in the post Rise of Skywalker time frame. Well shit,
Speaker 3: that's really depressing when you put it that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is isn't it.
Speaker 3: That just occurred to me. I'm like, well, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: post Rise of Skywalker time frame Starfighter in any future
Speaker 3: Ray movie. But as as the Book of Boba, Fett
Speaker 3: and Ahsoka season one acknowledge, they're still alive and well
Speaker 3: in the Mandalorian time frame, So if the rumored Mando
Speaker 3: and Friends versus Throng crossover movie is made, they'll have
Speaker 3: to be dealt with somehow. Maybe Starfighter will be a
Speaker 3: huge hit and audiences will clamor to see its young
Speaker 3: boy hero train with Ray, making the above question moot.
Speaker 3: If it underperforms, however, there could be considerable pressure to
Speaker 3: revive Luke, Leah and Hunt on the big screen, which
Speaker 3: would almost certainly necessitate recasting, and then Lucasfilm would be
Speaker 3: faced with a choice of dooming this recast trio to
Speaker 3: the misery and failure established by the sequel trilogy, or
Speaker 3: using space magic Tomfoolery to declare that these versions of
Speaker 3: the characters will follow on you and unwritten path your thoughts. Hmmm, wow, Yeah,
Speaker 3: so I.
Speaker 2: Think when he says magic tomfoolery, that would be sort
Speaker 2: of like Star Trek O nine.
Speaker 3: That's what I was thinking. Yeah, some Timey Wymy Wibley Wobbly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like your version of those heroes still exists in
Speaker 2: a timeline, but we happen to be in another timeline. Now.
Speaker 2: I don't know that I want that for Star Wars personally,
Speaker 2: I don't either.
Speaker 3: No, I don't either. Yeah, I think that there are
Speaker 3: no good options. Yeah, right, Like at this point, what
Speaker 3: Mando and whatnot they've established is that because of Luke
Speaker 3: being sort of this cgi, you know, a puppet right
Speaker 3: in Mandalorian and Book a boaffect, it makes it harder
Speaker 3: to recast, right, But also I don't think Disney can
Speaker 3: do anything with those characters that's not going to piss
Speaker 3: off somebody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, okay, Actually, when you said there are no
Speaker 2: good options, I was gonna be like, well, maybe there's
Speaker 2: no obvious options, But when you put it that way, yes,
Speaker 2: there are gonna be no easy options for sure. Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: just because of the state of fandom these days.
Speaker 3: I think that just fandom in general, I don't care
Speaker 3: what franchise you're talking about, just people are generally pretty miserable,
Speaker 3: and I don't know how much that reflects, Like, I
Speaker 3: don't know how much online discourse reflects, like reality, the
Speaker 3: touch grass side of the equation, you know. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: I will say this, this past week, they just dropped
Speaker 3: the trailer for the full trailer for the Mandalorian and
Speaker 3: Grow Group. Right, And at this point, my feelings on
Speaker 3: this movie are pretty well stated. So, I mean, anybody
Speaker 3: listening who hasn't heard I'm feeling like, Eh, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I'll be watching it anyway. That's That's where I'm at.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right.
Speaker 3: But my friend who is I mean a lifelong Star
Speaker 3: Wars fan, and he's he's swallowed everything, you know, he's
Speaker 3: he's found a way into just about everything. He texted me,
Speaker 3: he is like, I think it might be done. No,
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm just not feeling it. You know.
Speaker 2: I'm like shocked that I seem to be the most
Speaker 2: positive on it, even though I'm not terribly excited.
Speaker 3: I'm not negative on it. I'm I am. I am
Speaker 3: absolutely ready to be surprised, but I will admit I'm
Speaker 3: not feeling anything for it based on what I've seen
Speaker 3: this far. You know what it is.
Speaker 2: I don't know that I am excited about what I'm seeing,
Speaker 2: but I am excited to get back into Star Wars world. Sure,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, because I feel like it's
Speaker 2: been a minute. I think it's I did enjoy early
Speaker 2: seasons of The Mandalorian, but I kind of fell off
Speaker 2: from it eventually, and so it's not like I'm clamoring
Speaker 2: to get back with these characters necessarily, but I am
Speaker 2: hoping for a great Star Wars e romp, which sounds positive,
Speaker 2: but I'm sure not as positive as people would like
Speaker 2: to hear. Yeah, right, because I don't know that this
Speaker 2: is going to come out and be a phenomenon. I
Speaker 2: think a segment of people are going to show up
Speaker 2: and it will be probably a hit.
Speaker 3: But now I think it'll do okay. I don't think
Speaker 3: it's going to be it's not going to knock anybody
Speaker 3: socks off well box office wise, I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, by certain metrics, I'm sure it will be underwhelming,
Speaker 2: but it could still make its money back, but that
Speaker 2: won't be what people That's not what people expect out
Speaker 2: of a Star Wars movie or a Marvel movie or whatever.
Speaker 2: You know, those are supposed to be billion dollar movies.
Speaker 3: So I don't yeah so well, I mean, I mean
Speaker 3: I see it performing on par with like Captain America
Speaker 3: Braveney World or the Thunderbolts.
Speaker 2: Totally, totally.
Speaker 3: I will say this, I was happy to see Pedro
Speaker 3: Pascal's face at a few points on this trailer because
Speaker 3: I have no desire to watch Pedro Pescal Stunt Double
Speaker 3: and Acgi Creation are romping through the you know, two
Speaker 3: hours of this thing.
Speaker 2: Well, I agree with you, because I like Pedro Pescal
Speaker 2: and whatever. But I have seen some people complain because
Speaker 2: apparently it is a huge deal. If you know, a
Speaker 2: Mandalorian warrior takes their helmet off, and so it's like, well,
Speaker 2: is this person just doing this willy nilly? Now does
Speaker 2: this mean anything? I remember it was a really big
Speaker 2: deal when he took it off the first time for
Speaker 2: the sake of saving Grogu, I think, and I remember
Speaker 2: like the second season, second season that's stuck with me.
Speaker 2: I thought that was really powerful.
Speaker 3: And when he takes his mask off again as he
Speaker 3: says goodbye, right right. But here here's the problem. Okay,
Speaker 3: you talk about the sense that they're kind of stumble
Speaker 3: bumming their way through this stuff, when when Mando parts
Speaker 3: with Grogu at the end of season two, it's a
Speaker 3: big emotional moment.
Speaker 2: Yes, sorry, I got distracted because When he said Stumblebum,
Speaker 2: I was like, could that be a Master's of the
Speaker 2: Universe character? It absolutely could, ram Man, humble Bum, stumble bum.
Speaker 3: Come on, that would be one of the remainder discount
Speaker 3: shelf funds from from like the late eighties.
Speaker 2: It didn't take off the way they expected.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, so, so, uh you have Mando and and
Speaker 3: Grogu are separated, and so you'll get them back to
Speaker 3: you get them back together. Not in a movie, not
Speaker 3: even season three of the Mandalorian, No, in a random
Speaker 3: episode of the Book of Boba fet Oh that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 3: That's the story for your movie. How do Mandu and
Speaker 3: Grogo get Did I say Mandu, Mando and Grogu get
Speaker 3: back together? Right? That's what's interesting. Yep. I don't know, man,
Speaker 3: I don't know. Some of these decisions they baffle me,
Speaker 3: and I'm I'm I want this stuff to do well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh me too, I am you know always I
Speaker 2: want I want to see Star Wars for the rest
Speaker 2: of my life.
Speaker 3: The big question for me is not even Mandalorian Grogu,
Speaker 3: it's Starfighter. I think that's the biggest question. Mark. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because you're asking people because there's nothing pre existing. So
Speaker 3: in other words, you're expecting the Star Wars label to
Speaker 3: be the thing that gets people into the theater, right,
Speaker 3: and that's gonna be a challenge man.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean I'm not jealous of the people
Speaker 2: have to make the big broad decisions of the future
Speaker 2: direction of Star Wars, like in this climate with with fandom,
Speaker 2: like we were talking.
Speaker 3: Fandom the way it is, and well but the legacy characters, yeah,
Speaker 3: like killed off at this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that's tough. That's some tough decisions.
Speaker 3: Add if you look at the TV side, you have
Speaker 3: Skeleton Crew, you have Acolyte. I'm assuming I'm missing something,
Speaker 3: but these were these were completely free of prior character
Speaker 3: connections and neither of them really played, you know, So
Speaker 3: that that to me is maybe a signpost of of
Speaker 3: what awaits Starfighter.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know, but yeah, we're clearly rooting for it,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: I hope it's good. But uh yeah, I mean, well,
Speaker 3: either way, we'll be talking about it in a few
Speaker 3: in a few months.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, good lord, Yeah, I bet I you know,
Speaker 2: hearing those like Ben Burt style sound effect and seeing
Speaker 2: the ad at walkers stomping around, I gotta admit I'm like, oh, like,
Speaker 2: it's tickling something for me. So I'm hoping to go
Speaker 2: in and walk out and be like, well that was fun.
Speaker 1: You know what.
Speaker 3: Favreau knows how to put together a good time at
Speaker 3: the movies. Yeah, So if nothing else, I hope we
Speaker 3: get that. Yeah. Here's a comment we got on YouTube.
Speaker 3: This is from Luke's mail twenty four. This is in
Speaker 3: reference to our commentary track that we recorded last summer
Speaker 3: for the first Mission a Possible film. Oh wow, okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: so he says, Oh, Zachy, have I got a story
Speaker 3: for you with this one that might warm your heart.
Speaker 3: I didn't really grow up with the Mission to Possible
Speaker 3: series from the sixties, but new of the concept and
Speaker 3: the music because I had been a couple of episodes.
Speaker 3: Excuse me, as i'd seen a couple of episodes from
Speaker 3: the eighties reboot series. My dad, however, was a major
Speaker 3: fan of the sixties series, so both him and myself
Speaker 3: were hype for the movie. As the trailers were awesome.
Speaker 3: They actually do hold up very well too. I believe
Speaker 3: I went to see the movie first and loved it.
Speaker 3: With the twists and turns and the vault scene, and
Speaker 3: the Danny Elfman score. I decided to take my dad
Speaker 3: to see the adaptation of the show that, along with
Speaker 3: the original star Trek, helped launch his love of TV
Speaker 3: and film. Brian, I think you can see where this
Speaker 3: is going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know exactly where this is going.
Speaker 3: My dad sat there the entire time, not saying a word.
Speaker 3: Once the movie was over, he threw his empty popcorn
Speaker 3: bucket across the island, said, Jim would never betray the
Speaker 3: damn team. What kind of fraud is this? I'm with you,
Speaker 3: Luke's dad. Yep, I'm speaking to you across time. I
Speaker 3: said to him, I still liked it. Basically, he came
Speaker 3: back to me, could you imagine if Spock betrayed Kirk
Speaker 3: or Solo betrayed Luke Skywalker? Then he basically left in
Speaker 3: a huff. Now here's the main thing. He has never
Speaker 3: seen a Mission Impossible movie since that day and flat
Speaker 3: out refuses to watch any Tom Cruise movie as he
Speaker 3: basically holds him responsible for Jim's betrayal.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: The one exception I believe he made was hey, the
Speaker 3: last Samurai look at that, which my mother sprung on
Speaker 3: him for their wedding and reviewing It's been hilarious watching
Speaker 3: how the film series has gone getting these amazing reviews,
Speaker 3: and Dad has basically been like jewels and pulp fiction.
Speaker 3: Super rat made taste like pumpkin pie. I'll never know
Speaker 3: because I wouldn't eat the filthy mother ef wort.
Speaker 2: That's so perfect. Good bacon tastes good.
Speaker 3: Ugh, I never know. I just recently rewatched this on
Speaker 3: my Blu ray player, and there's an extra bio feature
Speaker 3: that has the whole journey of Phelps from the original
Speaker 3: series to the eighties to this film, and Nah, you're right.
Speaker 3: This is the other Jim Phelps who went to work
Speaker 3: with IMF after having a terrible time with Hillbillies during
Speaker 3: a canoe getaway with Burt Reynolds. That's what I'm saying, Neil.
Speaker 2: I mean, especially because I didn't really grow up with
Speaker 2: the series, so I didn't feel the full weight of
Speaker 2: that when I watched it back in ninety six.
Speaker 3: Or whatever it was.
Speaker 2: But when he says, can you imagine if Spock portrayed
Speaker 2: Kirk or Solo betrayed Skywalker, I mean that one is huge.
Speaker 2: If Sol shot Luke Skywalker like that would no, I
Speaker 2: could never more appropriate.
Speaker 3: Is like if we see Han in force awakens and
Speaker 3: he's actually working with the first order, right right, you
Speaker 3: know that passage of time where you've really grown to
Speaker 3: you know, you've grown to miss the character, you know.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, man again. And I want to be very clear,
Speaker 3: I said this in our commentary. I'm over it, I'm
Speaker 3: past it, but I still find it irksome.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep.
Speaker 3: Here's one last letter that we got from Karen Carl's daughter,
Speaker 3: who oh this is nice. She wrote was from Sweden.
Speaker 3: By the way, it says, I love your podcast. I
Speaker 3: listened to it while painting the watercolor below. I did
Speaker 3: while listening to the Indiana Jones commentaries. I have a
Speaker 3: commentary request. Blues Brothers perhaps the greatest comedy of all time.
Speaker 3: It has it all all the best to you.
Speaker 2: That's a great idea. I think. Didn't we just reference
Speaker 2: that we were talking about car crashes recently.
Speaker 3: I'm sure we did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we will absolutely
Speaker 3: be doing Blues Brothers.
Speaker 2: That's like that's going to happen. We're from Chicago, I
Speaker 2: know eighties, a lot of history there.
Speaker 3: And Brian, I showed you the lovely watercolor.
Speaker 2: This is gorgeous. It's of is this like a Macintosh apple.
Speaker 2: It's like red and you know, a little bits of green.
Speaker 2: This is incredible, like the texture. We should post this
Speaker 2: somehow if you're on our Facebook, put it on the
Speaker 2: Facebook page.
Speaker 3: Hemp.
Speaker 2: I just love knowing that she created this while she
Speaker 2: was listening to our podcast while we were, you know,
Speaker 2: chatting about Indiana Jones that I don't know. It feels
Speaker 2: very special to me, and I really appreciate her sharing
Speaker 2: and letting us know that.
Speaker 3: I was thinking. I mean, if if listening to our
Speaker 3: show sparked that creativity, it's kind of like we co
Speaker 3: painted it anything.
Speaker 2: Would you mind adding our names to the bottom.
Speaker 3: We'd appreciate that ever so much.
Speaker 2: But this is really special. I feel really like connected
Speaker 2: with this in a in a special way, and I'm
Speaker 2: really really happy she shared this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much for that. Hey, we got
Speaker 3: some headlines Brian extract. All right, well here's here's uh,
Speaker 3: we have some sad news coming, but here's something uplifting
Speaker 3: to let us know that there are still some things
Speaker 3: we can find joy in. Uh. We were you and I.
Speaker 3: We were talking about the news that they were potentially
Speaker 3: doing a Mummy sequel starring Brendan Fraser, which if you recall,
Speaker 3: I made that happen.
Speaker 2: Yes, you spoken.
Speaker 3: I willed it into being. What am I talking about?
Speaker 3: Go back and listen to whatever the whatever the hell
Speaker 3: we talked about. I don't remember, but it's me. I
Speaker 3: co painted them apples. I'm a co producer on Mummy four. Baby.
Speaker 2: That's funny, you know. It makes me think of one
Speaker 2: of my favorite It's such a small moment but in
Speaker 2: Legally Blonde, when she's just like, really something happens and
Speaker 2: she's really filling herself and she just goes me, it's
Speaker 2: gonna picturing for you right now. It's basically the Mummy four.
Speaker 3: You're like, yes, me, So it is now official. It's
Speaker 3: passed from rumor into officialness. This is a story at Variety.
Speaker 3: It says a Chemi Award winners Brendan Fraser and Rachel
Speaker 3: Weiss are officially returning for a fourth installment of the
Speaker 3: blockbuster Mummy franchise. Universal Pictures has dated the movie, directed
Speaker 3: by Radio Silences, Matt Bentonelly Open, and Tyler Gillette for
Speaker 3: why theatrical release on May nineteenth, twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 2: Boom, look at that dated and everything that's amazing.
Speaker 3: Now it is arriving exactly twenty years later from the
Speaker 3: from the Third Mummy film, But more interesting to me,
Speaker 3: it is arriving twenty years almost to the day of
Speaker 3: the release of Indiana Jones and The Kingdom of the
Speaker 3: Crystal Skull. Whoa, so is that an omen? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 3: is there? Like you know, the Med School Scrubs version
Speaker 3: of us with our Indiana Jones, but they're with the
Speaker 3: Mummy franchise.
Speaker 2: I read you and I were texting a little bit
Speaker 2: about this, and I remember we brought this up, like
Speaker 2: is this going to be a generation's, a new generation's
Speaker 2: Crystal Skull experience? I hope not for them. I really
Speaker 2: wanted to do well years of now, like working through
Speaker 2: that for me therapy, you know. Yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: I for a long time. I've moved past it, and
Speaker 2: I've even grown to when it's on TV, I can
Speaker 2: stop on it, enjoying moments of it. But I said
Speaker 2: at the time it was the there is no Santa
Speaker 2: Claus moment of my adult life. Oh man, I'll never
Speaker 2: forget it, dude, I will never forget sitting in that
Speaker 2: theater the arc Light Sherman Oaks in two thousand and
Speaker 2: eight with you and Sean Coyle and just feeling like
Speaker 2: I was in a dream, you know what I was watching.
Speaker 2: And then when the lights came up and we looked
Speaker 2: at each other and we all had the same expression
Speaker 2: on our faces. Yeah, I will never forget that moment
Speaker 2: or that feeling. Well, uh, Radio Silence, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well this is this is the thing. I mean, Radio
Speaker 3: Silence is coming at it as fans. Yes, they did
Speaker 3: do a good job with the with the Scream reboot exactly, yes,
Speaker 3: which has all been pissed away anyway by whatever's coming next,
Speaker 3: you know, but obviously like there, they have no reason
Speaker 3: to make this except for their own just enthusiasm as
Speaker 3: people who grew up with it. So that's exciting. And
Speaker 3: again I know this is this is a movie that
Speaker 3: Brendan Fraser, once he got that Oscar gold, he was
Speaker 3: like putting his weight behind getting another Mummy made, which
Speaker 3: is awesome. I know.
Speaker 2: You know, you don't want these people dragged over to
Speaker 2: this thing like Okay, I gotta put on the bandelier
Speaker 2: again and what am I doing? But it's like, if
Speaker 2: this is something they're passionate about, that's exciting.
Speaker 3: It is so I'm excited to see it. I'm hoping
Speaker 3: it's good. I hope, I hope it's I hope you
Speaker 3: and I have a different experience than Crystal Skull. But
Speaker 3: what's helpful is we're not I don't think. Well, I
Speaker 3: can't speak for you. We're not as invested in this, right, Yeah, No,
Speaker 3: it's not the same as Indy was for us.
Speaker 2: Correct, correct, Which is kind of a nice place to be,
Speaker 2: I think, because I'm excited to see a dusty adventure
Speaker 2: in the desert.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just that.
Speaker 2: I want to see that. I like Brendan Fraser and
Speaker 2: Rachel Viiz, and I don't have the pressure, you know,
Speaker 2: the fandom pressure that other people might have. So I'm
Speaker 2: just ready to show up with my popcorn and hoping
Speaker 2: to have a good time.
Speaker 3: See. The question is do we get like m O
Speaker 3: tep back and you know, uh, you know, Odeed Fair
Speaker 3: and all. I call them all, all the all the
Speaker 3: other peeps who were who were you know in the
Speaker 3: Two Good Ones?
Speaker 2: I wonder Emo Tet By the way, I can't remember
Speaker 2: the actor's name. I know Arnold Vasselou. Yes, it was
Speaker 2: in Blood Diamond last night. There you gotta look at that,
Speaker 2: which is very cool to see him.
Speaker 3: Also bye, by way of just our own, our own,
Speaker 3: you know, this little peak behind the scenes, we got
Speaker 3: our Mummy Returns commentary coming up in the in the
Speaker 3: next several weeks. I suspect I can't.
Speaker 2: Wait because I know the first one pretty well, but
Speaker 2: I don't know the sequels very well.
Speaker 3: They are re releasing The Mummy Returns to theaters next month,
Speaker 3: so we you know, we may have a commentary to
Speaker 3: tie tie into that. Maybe maybe. All Right, this this
Speaker 3: last several week and a half or so has been
Speaker 3: kind of remarkable in that a lot of really familiar
Speaker 3: faces have have been have been leaving us in rapid succession.
Speaker 3: It feels like, right, I almost I don't know what
Speaker 3: order to go in here, I know, I know, And.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's just been a crazy year so far,
Speaker 2: you know. I mean we're just talking about losing Catherine
Speaker 2: a Heara, you know, and it's yeah, and then just
Speaker 2: all these people. It's it's a lot, it's a lot
Speaker 2: to cover and reflect on.
Speaker 3: But well, well let's start. Well, let's start with James
Speaker 3: van Derbeek. He passed away of colon cancer. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: he was only forty eight. Wow. This is I mean,
Speaker 3: this is something that we have been seeing over the
Speaker 3: last year or so because he you know, whenever he
Speaker 3: made appearances, he looked very thin, you know, and it
Speaker 3: was known at the time that that he was you know,
Speaker 3: that he was dealing with this. But I mean, James
Speaker 3: vanderk obviously most well known for Dawson's Creek. He is
Speaker 3: Dawson of the Creek, yep, you know. And so I
Speaker 3: and I know I can speak for you on this.
Speaker 3: I mean that show was a pretty formative part of
Speaker 3: our late teens, you know, definitely.
Speaker 2: I mean it came out, let's see, when I was eighteen,
Speaker 2: and it was about like a film loving kid who
Speaker 2: wanted to be a filmmaker who idolized Steven Spielberg.
Speaker 3: Yep, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean I very much identified with him, and gosh,
Speaker 2: I mean Katie Holmes and Joshua Jackson, Michelle Williams. I
Speaker 2: mean it was stacked, that's yeah, with talent and just
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know what it would be like
Speaker 2: to revisit it now, but when we were teenagers, you know,
Speaker 2: it hit just right, you know, and he was perfect
Speaker 2: at playing that sort of naive kind of kid, you know.
Speaker 2: What I mean, like he embodied that character so perfectly
Speaker 2: where that character could be kind of annoying or pretentious
Speaker 2: or you know whatever, Like he just felt wholesome and
Speaker 2: someone you liked and rooted for.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think that what he did on
Speaker 3: the show was sort of deceptively difficult, right in that
Speaker 3: he kind of is the straight man, right sure, and
Speaker 3: so you know, Pacey gets some of the showier storylines
Speaker 3: and you know, he you know, he very well could
Speaker 3: have just blended into the background, you know, but when
Speaker 3: you think about it, I mean he held the center together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's a good observation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, Yeah, that show. It's I think I mentioned
Speaker 3: this too before. There was a Simpsons just recently where
Speaker 3: Marge was a super fan of a show I forget
Speaker 3: the title, but it's like a clearly Dawson's Creek. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and like Lisa discovers Marge's like clothing and stuff from
Speaker 3: that era, and I'm like, holy shit, we hear now
Speaker 3: that is I.
Speaker 2: Don't even understand that because to me, they're like baby boomers, right,
Speaker 2: So it's weird to think that Marge right now is
Speaker 2: supposed to be someone who is my age, right, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, no, no, no, She's like she's like
Speaker 2: my mom, Like I don't understand.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But in addition to his appearances on Dawson's Creek,
Speaker 3: which lasted for was it five five seasons?
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I'm seing one hundred and twenty eight
Speaker 2: episodes quite a bit.
Speaker 3: Man shows used to last that long. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: uh he he had a well okay, well he played himself.
Speaker 3: He had a very He had two funny cameos in
Speaker 3: two Kevin Smith movies like like twenty Years wor right
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah right Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back Jay
Speaker 3: and Silent Bob Reboot, where he plays himself as the
Speaker 3: as as playing Bluntman or Chronic. I don't know who's
Speaker 3: I don't know who's who. I forget Chronic, I think.
Speaker 3: But there was a show he was on which was
Speaker 3: very funny called Don't Trust the be An Apartment twenty
Speaker 3: three I remember this, yeah, which he was the like
Speaker 3: the end, and he played himself. He was like a
Speaker 3: douchebag version of himself, right right, very funny. But it
Speaker 3: starred Christian Ritter and and that was when I saw that,
Speaker 3: and I was like, man, this guy he's like, you know,
Speaker 3: he he's very funny, Like I didn't really realize that,
Speaker 3: you know, and.
Speaker 2: He continues to be a welcome presence.
Speaker 3: Well he was being a welcome presence. He was on
Speaker 3: CSI Cyber he was the secondary lead.
Speaker 2: Oh I don't even know this.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. The show starred Patricia ar Kent Okay fresh
Speaker 3: offer Oscar for Boyhood, I think, and and Vanderbeek was like, like,
Speaker 3: you talk about that's the job for this guy. He
Speaker 3: should be procedural guy. Sure that that would be you know,
Speaker 3: if if not for you know, freaking cancer, that would
Speaker 3: be the career he should be having. You know, just
Speaker 3: he's he's on you know, nine on one Brooklyn or whatever, you.
Speaker 2: Know, totally and as he ages, I mean he's always
Speaker 2: like remain handsome, but like get a little more wrinkles
Speaker 2: and age on his face, and like I can totally
Speaker 2: see him with like a gun on his hip. Yeah
Speaker 2: even the day Yeah, absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 3: A lot of terrific remembrances of him that I saw
Speaker 3: about one in particular that that struck me was from
Speaker 3: from John Wesley Ship, who played his father on Dawson's Creek,
Speaker 3: just talking about you know, the way they learn from
Speaker 3: each other, and it was very poignant. I'm not going
Speaker 3: to try to paraphrase it, but one thing I he
Speaker 3: at the start of his post, He's like, I waited
Speaker 3: a few days to post this because I wanted to,
Speaker 3: you know, let his family have their time or whatever.
Speaker 3: And I was just thinking, like, isn't it sad that
Speaker 3: like you have to post something like that now so
Speaker 3: that people aren't like, weren't you saying anything? Because the
Speaker 3: only metric of more is if you say something in public, right, right?
Speaker 3: You know? Yeah? Yeah, but yes, James Vanderbeek colorectal cancer.
Speaker 3: He passed away from.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wait, did you mention Varsity Blues?
Speaker 3: By the way, I feel like we I totally did
Speaker 3: not mention Varsity Blues.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was big too. That was nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 2: so right after Dawson's Creek Exploded out of the Gate.
Speaker 2: I mean that was that was a very memorable teen movie.
Speaker 2: I think for us at the time.
Speaker 3: I like that movie.
Speaker 2: You too, I curious to go back to that. I
Speaker 2: don't want your life, that's right.
Speaker 3: I mean a lot, a lot of a lot of
Speaker 3: mileage out of out of poking fun of that delivery yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I expect that we'll be we'll be talking through that
Speaker 3: one at some point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be a good one. That'd be like a
Speaker 2: little time capsule, I think.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, it came out within weeks of She's All
Speaker 3: That Mmm, so it was either either She's All That
Speaker 3: first or Varsity, but there within within a few weeks
Speaker 3: of each other. So so I feel like I kind
Speaker 3: of went wed those two together weirdly, that's funny.
Speaker 2: I remember the trailer and the film itself used Foo
Speaker 2: Fighters my hero.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's right.
Speaker 2: It was like a really tied with that movie, and
Speaker 2: I feel like that song, I could be wrong. I
Speaker 2: feel like it kind of blew up because as a
Speaker 2: result of that, you know, being tied with this big movie,
Speaker 2: I will.
Speaker 3: Forever associate that song with Dwayne Johnson and Sam Jackson
Speaker 3: jumping off a building to their deaths right right in
Speaker 3: the other guys, which I think I've said this before.
Speaker 3: I I don't think I ever laughed so hard that,
Speaker 3: like my stomach was hurting, like I doubled over in pain,
Speaker 3: not in laughter, because I was laughing so hard at that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: every time I put I'll put on that clip and
Speaker 3: AM and I was like, why do you put this on?
Speaker 3: I'm like, it is so funny. I think it's one
Speaker 3: of the funniest things I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, James Vanderbeek, he will be missed. Who else? Uh
Speaker 3: tom noonan yep, so tom Noonan. First time I saw
Speaker 3: him was was as the bad guy in Robo Cop two.
Speaker 2: Oh for me, it was as the bad guy in
Speaker 2: Last Action Hero Last Action.
Speaker 3: But before that he was Frankenstein monster in Monster Squad.
Speaker 2: Oh well, I take it back.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh, and he's so good in that movie. I know,
Speaker 2: there's like, you know, that's a movie that hasn't quite
Speaker 2: lived on like the Goonies has, and I think parts
Speaker 2: of it haven't aged as well. But yeah, that was
Speaker 2: a huge sleepover movie.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, big times.
Speaker 2: And I I mean that's like we're having a sleepover
Speaker 2: ago rent Monster Squad and yeah, Frankenstein. It's it's like
Speaker 2: all the universal monsters descend on this town and these
Speaker 2: kids fight them off. And Frankenstein is actually a sweet character,
Speaker 2: that's right, you know. And there's like this really sad
Speaker 2: moment when the little sister who's been bonding with Frankenstein
Speaker 2: the whole movie has to say Goodbye to him, and wow,
Speaker 2: yeah he was.
Speaker 3: He was terrific in that. Yeah, in RoboCop too. And
Speaker 3: this is something you know, like five years ago whenever
Speaker 3: it was. When we did the commentary, I made the
Speaker 3: point where like, he's he's he's such a great presence
Speaker 3: that the movie does this stupid thing where like two
Speaker 3: thirds of the way through his character becomes that that
Speaker 3: automaton and so you just move tom Noonan off the
Speaker 3: stage and you just have this stop motion what's it? Right? Right?
Speaker 3: And I'm like, you have tom Noonan, why wouldn't you
Speaker 3: use him? Uh? Huh? So weird, you know, yeah, because
Speaker 3: there was just you know, I mean in that film.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's objectively one of the best things about it.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: He also played the tooth Fairy, Francis Dollar Hide and Manhunter.
Speaker 2: Oh you know, I've never seen man Hunter.
Speaker 3: Oh you never seen man Hunter? Really? Oh that's a
Speaker 3: good one. Yeah. Uh yeah, he's terrificking that.
Speaker 2: So Michael Man that's the connection then, huh because he
Speaker 2: was in heat also, that's right, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 3: And really just an interesting dude. You know, I've seen
Speaker 3: interviews with him and and it just seems like like
Speaker 3: a very wise person, you know. And obviously in addition
Speaker 3: to acting, he was also a director. He was also
Speaker 3: a writer, so very very maintained very much of a presence,
Speaker 3: you know, you know, I got to say he was
Speaker 3: also actually he was also in have you seen an
Speaker 3: Anomal Lisa? Yes, he was all the voices in Anomal
Speaker 3: Lisa except for Michael and Lisa. I did not know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I remember getting that as a screener and
Speaker 2: watching that and just finding it kind of interesting but
Speaker 2: also just weird, weird quite finding my way into it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, what a weird movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very depressing puppet movie, That's really it. But actually,
Speaker 2: what I was going to say, and this kind of
Speaker 2: connects with this his voice, Yes, this really he has.
Speaker 2: He's very tall and could have a menacing look, yeah
Speaker 2: you know, but he also has this interesting gentle voice. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: soothing voice. And that's what I remember about Last Action
Speaker 2: Hero is there's that character the Ripper, the Ripper, right,
Speaker 2: and and you know he's got this makeup on that
Speaker 2: makes him look kind of extra scary and whatever, and
Speaker 2: he's got the boy, you know, under his arm. And
Speaker 2: I remember when he's the Ripper character tom Noonan is
Speaker 2: talking to Arnold Schwarzenegger's character, you sort of expect like
Speaker 2: a you know, I'll throw him over the edge or
Speaker 2: something like that, but it's not that. It's more calm
Speaker 2: and soothing and like oh you again, yeah, you know
Speaker 2: that kind of a thing. And I'm like, oh, like
Speaker 2: it's worse. It's unnerving hearing that gentle voice come out
Speaker 2: of that scary looking, you know, hulking figure. And he
Speaker 2: made a huge impression. When I saw that, I was like,
Speaker 2: I guess thirteen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was aged seventy four, and I don't see
Speaker 3: a cause of death listed, so I'm not sure. But yeah,
Speaker 3: like I said, that definitely a very memorable presence, you know,
Speaker 3: I I I think we we we speak often of
Speaker 3: character actors, you know. Uh and, and he was one
Speaker 3: of those guys you plugged him in here. He embodied
Speaker 3: a type.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: He was actually in a terrific episode of X Files
Speaker 3: called called paper Heart. M hm. That's that's one of
Speaker 3: the one of the memorable ones from that run. You know,
Speaker 3: there's a there's a few, there's a few memorable ones,
Speaker 3: but Tom Dinton was good in that one. Uh And
Speaker 3: and yes, as as as we say, all the time.
Speaker 3: He will most definitely be missed because movies will be
Speaker 3: lesser without his presence. Who do we want to talk
Speaker 3: about next?
Speaker 2: Brian Eric Dane, Eric Dane, This was this surprising? This
Speaker 2: is this yesterday?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 3: Well it was, I mean it was surprising. I mean
Speaker 3: yes and no, right, because he had been ill for
Speaker 3: a little while. Well, I I guess I feel dead sayings.
Speaker 3: I did not know that, so really no, yeah, so
Speaker 3: so Eric Dane. Of course, he he kind of hit
Speaker 3: the Zeitgey's just dead center thanks to being mc steamy
Speaker 3: on Gray's Anatomy. Right, he was introduced to the world
Speaker 3: wearing it nothing but a towel. You know. First time
Speaker 3: I saw him actually was in X Men The Last Stand.
Speaker 3: He played multiple man.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so I guess that'd be me too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, although I mean obviously I didn't. I didn't connect
Speaker 3: those dots. But yes, he was mc steem. Actually we
Speaker 3: saw him in just I guess it's his last last
Speaker 3: movie role, right, bad Boys, Ride or Die? That's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Actually, as I was googling him and just looking
Speaker 2: up things, I saw that Sony already had a video
Speaker 2: that's called Remembering Eric Dane as James McGrath Bad Boys
Speaker 2: Rider Die, and it's just kind of a you know,
Speaker 2: a reel of his moments from that movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. I mean I remember him being quite quite
Speaker 3: a presence in that film. So he A year ago,
Speaker 3: he announced that he had been diagnosed with als Luke
Speaker 3: Garrig's disease. He had begun experiencing symptoms in early twenty
Speaker 3: twenty five. By June twenty twenty five, I mean, this
Speaker 3: happened so to your point, I mean, this happened very quickly.
Speaker 3: By June twenty twenty five, he'd completely lost the use
Speaker 3: of his right arm and hand, and he began using
Speaker 3: a wheelchair in full time by October twenty twenty five,
Speaker 3: So basically and under a year. I mean that's he's
Speaker 3: fifty three, which is not that far from where we are,
Speaker 3: you know, and to see somebody so you know, with
Speaker 3: such a presence, you know, with such confidence and just
Speaker 3: have that sort of whittled way. I mean. I saw
Speaker 3: a video he recorded called it was an interview for
Speaker 3: a Netflix thing. Did you see this? I heard about this, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's called It's called Famous Last Words. Basically, the show
Speaker 3: consists of an interview with with a notable figure explicitly
Speaker 3: only published posthumously, allowing the interviewee to tell their own
Speaker 3: message after after their death.
Speaker 2: Every episode.
Speaker 1: Is that?
Speaker 2: Yes, interesting?
Speaker 3: So the interview. I don't know when the interview was conducted,
Speaker 3: but I've seen clips and I mean it's it's very
Speaker 3: hard to fully make out what he's saying, you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: I say, yeah, he's talking to his daughters. I mean
Speaker 3: it's it's I mean, I can't even imagine, you know, no,
Speaker 3: I don't want to imagine it, but but I look,
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it. We don't we don't have
Speaker 3: a lot of time under the best of circumstances. And
Speaker 3: something like what James Vanderbeek went through, something like what
Speaker 3: Eric Dane went through, you make it makes you realize,
Speaker 3: you know, not everybody gets even the best circumstances, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, it's weird. It's weird to think about that, right,
Speaker 3: Like I certainly, well, I'll speak for myself, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm I'm look staring at fifty right. And one thing
Speaker 3: I used to do a lot is when I would
Speaker 3: hit a certain age milestone, I would double it and
Speaker 3: I'd be like, where am I at this stage? So
Speaker 3: I turned forty I'm like, where am I at eighty? Right? Right?
Speaker 3: And now it's like where am I?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Probably not around you know, right right, And again that's
Speaker 3: the best circumstances. Fifty three that is too soon. Yes,
Speaker 3: forty eight that's certainly too soon. Ye you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: I guess I don't know. Those are the thoughts that
Speaker 3: are going through my mind anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean it makes me think, you know,
Speaker 2: it isn't always easy, but you know, be thankful for
Speaker 2: each day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, yeah, very true.
Speaker 1: With that.
Speaker 3: A legend, I think we can call him a legend,
Speaker 3: right right. Robert Duval passed away this past week at
Speaker 3: age ninety five. Ninety five, so a long, impressive life, certainly.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's somebody. It's it's weird we're at that
Speaker 3: stage now where the like that class of actors is
Speaker 3: starting to leave, right. They were like the new young
Speaker 3: generation during the seventies and eighties, you know, and so
Speaker 3: by the time we were growing up, they were like
Speaker 3: the established stars, right, yes, you know, so like Diane Keaton,
Speaker 3: Robert Radford, you know, James Kahn, and now of course
Speaker 3: Robert Duvall. You know, it's weird to watch the Godfather
Speaker 3: and realize that, like when you watch that dinner scene
Speaker 3: in Godfather Part two, the flashback, you know, you're like, gosh,
Speaker 3: everybody here is gone, you know, Michael is the only
Speaker 3: one left, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's I like how you said that. That's
Speaker 2: so true like our experience with with actors of that
Speaker 2: generation because they were cemented before us, you know, Devall
Speaker 2: and Godfather, Apocalypse Now. Yeah, but then as we were
Speaker 2: growing up, they would be and gone in sixty seconds,
Speaker 2: right or days of thunder exactly, and it was just
Speaker 2: like instant gravitas exactly.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, you know obviously, like you
Speaker 3: mentioned the great roles, right, like Godfather one, Godfather too,
Speaker 3: Apocalypse Now obviously you know Apocalypse Now that was the
Speaker 3: number one movie in the country the week that I
Speaker 3: was born. Oh wow, So I have a weird connection
Speaker 3: with that film, right. And Colonel Kilgore, it's not just
Speaker 3: his dialogue, it's the way Duval says it that makes
Speaker 3: it memorable. You know, I've said this before. I interviewed
Speaker 3: David Dobkin about ten or twelve years ago about the
Speaker 3: movie The Judge, which starred Robert Downey Junior and Robert
Speaker 3: Duval and and I remember being like, how did you
Speaker 3: stop yourself from just like standing back and just watching
Speaker 3: these people act? You know, you have a scene with
Speaker 3: with with with Downey and Duval, what do you even direct?
Speaker 3: You know? Right? And He's like, oh no, you know
Speaker 3: they would take direction, and they would you know, we
Speaker 3: had conversations about it, but but I just remember, you know, like,
Speaker 3: what a what a moment, what a thing you got
Speaker 3: to see?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: But one movie I've been thinking about a lot over
Speaker 3: last week is is Deep Impact.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, which you know got a little lost I
Speaker 2: think when it came out because it was in a
Speaker 2: way competing with the other meteorite movie, Army Nah, you know,
Speaker 2: and that ye figure, a bombastic one that had the
Speaker 2: hit song from Arrowsmith, you know what I mean, and
Speaker 2: a lot of they weren't memorable at the time, but
Speaker 2: memorable moments, you know. And but that was the more
Speaker 2: dramatic and possibly you know, more thoughtful what if a
Speaker 2: meteorite was headed toward earth film?
Speaker 3: That's right? Yeah, And you know, I think arm Again.
Speaker 3: I think they both ended up doing well, but like
Speaker 3: arm Again certainly did better. I would say that probably
Speaker 3: Deep Impact is the better one.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen it since it came out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I haven't seen the whole thing, you know,
Speaker 3: in more than twenty years. But anyway, my point is
Speaker 3: Duval you talk, you said it yourself, right, It's just
Speaker 3: instant gravitas. He plays one of the astronauts who who's
Speaker 3: tasked with you know, you know, they have to they
Speaker 3: have to try to destroy the asteroid or whatever it is.
Speaker 3: And it's I think that is the first time I
Speaker 3: saw Duval in a movie where I was really just
Speaker 3: just paying attention to his performance and what he does
Speaker 3: and how he he He had he always had this
Speaker 3: lane where he brought reality to it and and just
Speaker 3: a sense of I'm improving this movie just by being
Speaker 3: here m hm, even if obviously he wouldn't articulating it
Speaker 3: that way, but really that's how much his presence meant. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is like a non performative like salt of
Speaker 2: the earth quality. He just exuded that, and that's what
Speaker 2: he brought into whatever he was acting in.
Speaker 3: That's exactly it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just you know everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and and so for me, deep impact was was
Speaker 3: when I really became aware of that. And then shortly
Speaker 3: after that, you know, I watched the Godfather films for
Speaker 3: the first time and whatever, and you really you become
Speaker 3: aware of like, man, what a oh and I forgot network.
Speaker 3: He's fantastic in network.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh, he's so good in that.
Speaker 2: Yeah right.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's just like these people who were
Speaker 3: a consistent presence throughout our childhoods well into our adult years.
Speaker 3: M hm. Again it's just Diane Keaton, you know, read
Speaker 3: for like, it's just that you're like, no, they're they're
Speaker 3: supposed to be here forever. Mm hmmmm hmm, like they're
Speaker 3: supposed to outlast us. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's funny. I had something I want
Speaker 2: to say, but you just made me think of something
Speaker 2: else I wanted to say, which was I was listening
Speaker 2: to another podcast and they were talking about Duval's passing
Speaker 2: and they were saying, do we have any new Duvals?
Speaker 3: Well, we're not gonna know for another fifteen twenty two.
Speaker 2: That's very true, but you know, it kind of made
Speaker 2: me think, and I'm sure there are some people that will,
Speaker 2: you know, age into that gravy toes and like you said,
Speaker 2: we can't see it in this moment. But the thing
Speaker 2: that it made me think, I maybe we won't get
Speaker 2: as many because you hear this a lot when they
Speaker 2: cast movies these days, they're looking at social media as
Speaker 2: a criteria.
Speaker 3: Wow for casting choices. Yeah, and.
Speaker 2: Would someone like a Duval who can deliver what he does?
Speaker 2: You know, does that person like have twenty million followers
Speaker 2: on social media? So do they get cast at all?
Speaker 2: These days? You know, like, are casting trends going to
Speaker 2: prevent us from getting credible Assault of the Earth type
Speaker 2: actors like this? You know, I hope not. I hope
Speaker 2: it's a thought I had though that's thinking about that.
Speaker 3: Well that's sobering.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, well, I you know, I hope not. I mean,
Speaker 2: we got like it's a little different. But are Jesse
Speaker 2: Plemons type actors who just continued to show up? And
Speaker 2: it feels like even though I don't know if he
Speaker 2: has social media, I'm not aware of it, but it
Speaker 2: seems like most people recognize that he's special and Jesse Clemmons, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Jesse Plemmons, and he brings that sort of unique thing
Speaker 2: to everything that he's a part of. You know, you
Speaker 2: know that gives me hope.
Speaker 3: So uh. In terms of Robert Duvall performances, we mentioned
Speaker 3: a few, obviously. Are there any that that we we
Speaker 3: didn't mention that you thought were worth shouting out.
Speaker 2: Well, I have to call out Lucky you. Ah, Yes,
Speaker 2: of course, which is a movie I worked on. It
Speaker 2: was directed by Curtis Hansen, started Eric Banna, Drew Barrymore,
Speaker 2: and Robert Duval. Robert Duval played Eric Banna's dad, And
Speaker 2: that was a movie that, sadly, I mean when it
Speaker 2: came out. I worked on that, you know, for like
Speaker 2: a year and it came out and just did not
Speaker 2: hit and it's kind of been lost to the ages,
Speaker 2: but it is and it's not a very no pun
Speaker 2: intended because it's about poker, high stakes kind of you
Speaker 2: know film, but it is a very lovely character drama
Speaker 2: and you know, don't go in expecting big punchy moments.
Speaker 2: But there's good acting. It's it's it's nice ing everyone
Speaker 2: acting against one another. And I had a good time
Speaker 2: working on it. And I actually got to meet Duvall
Speaker 2: working on that, and not like you shared any big moments,
Speaker 2: but you know, I was kind of like a like
Speaker 2: a PA on that movie, and so a lot of
Speaker 2: times I would have to deliver things to people, to actors,
Speaker 2: to directors to whatever. And I remember he would he
Speaker 2: had a chair, you know, on the side of the stage,
Speaker 2: and he was sitting there with his wife who was
Speaker 2: there by his side, and just hand him things and whatever,
Speaker 2: oh thank you, you know, kind of a polite nice
Speaker 2: and I knew he was a legend in that moment.
Speaker 2: And so it's very you know, trying to not behave
Speaker 2: like I'm handing a legend, you know, sides for the day,
Speaker 2: like just try to street it like for coworkers, and
Speaker 2: maybe he'll treat me like a coworker. And he was
Speaker 2: always great, so it's just like them.
Speaker 3: For a brief moment. You're just kind of grateful to
Speaker 3: occupy the same air.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just you know, he's a legend, and it's
Speaker 2: it's cool that I'm getting to be a part of,
Speaker 2: you know, any sort of role in his orbit as
Speaker 2: he continues making great things.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, you know, one thing I've said, uh, I mean,
Speaker 3: ever since I first saw god Father three, which is
Speaker 3: a movie I defend, but I'm like, you know, it's
Speaker 3: it's a crime. It's a crime against cinema that duvald
Speaker 3: hasn't in that movie. Yep, yep, it certainly it's a
Speaker 3: crime against that trilogy, you know, and and he he
Speaker 3: talked about turning it down, which famously he was like,
Speaker 3: just pay me what you're paying Pacino and Diane Keaton
Speaker 3: and they were like no, and He's like, okay, so yeah,
Speaker 3: m hm right. And I say this all the time.
Speaker 3: I'm like, they should have paid him.
Speaker 2: And in making that decision, they helped to contribute to
Speaker 2: one example that always gets brought up as one of
Speaker 2: the worst sequels. I know, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: that's something it could have had a trilogy for all time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but stingy uh, you know, business practice.
Speaker 3: He talked about this. This is from when he was
Speaker 3: on the Conan O'Brien show, and this is in the
Speaker 3: nineties and I'm conveying this via Yahoo Entertainment. When asked
Speaker 3: what led him to let him turning down the chance
Speaker 3: to return, Duval said, the per diem wasn't right, the
Speaker 3: per diem wasn't high enough. Everybody was doing it for money.
Speaker 3: Everybody was doing it for money, so you know, pay,
Speaker 3: They're not gonna pay. I'm not gonna do it because
Speaker 3: everybody's doing it for that. Why kids yourself, now, can't
Speaker 3: you just hear it? In his voice. Yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean it's it's it's it's one of
Speaker 3: the great mistakes of the ages because to your point, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, I think sort of uh to dismiss Tom
Speaker 3: Hagen with the line of dialogue. Oh, by the way,
Speaker 3: Tom died anyway.
Speaker 2: Right, right, right, but he returned to his planet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's it's just baffling. Of course, you
Speaker 3: got to mention he his first role wordless. Yes, of
Speaker 3: course he was bou Radley, that's right, in To Kill
Speaker 3: a Mockingbird.
Speaker 2: Incredible, incredible, you know, it's like you said, no dialogue.
Speaker 3: No dialogue, his eyes did the acting, and and and
Speaker 3: what a career. And of course he started in THHX
Speaker 3: eleven thirty eight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, George's first feature length movie.
Speaker 3: I mean, remarkable, you know, what a career. And and ultimately, look,
Speaker 3: he's been part of so many different types of movies
Speaker 3: over so many decades. People will be watching his work
Speaker 3: until the end of time.
Speaker 2: Hm.
Speaker 3: One last thing I want to mention, I almost completed,
Speaker 3: in my mind, in my opinion, his best performance. And
Speaker 3: I think he felt the same way. He played Augustus
Speaker 3: McCrae in Lonesome Dove.
Speaker 2: You know, I was just scrolling through his IMDb and
Speaker 2: I thought i'd bring that up because I know you've
Speaker 2: mentioned it before and that is a blind spot for
Speaker 2: me that I need to.
Speaker 3: You have a great miniseries waiting for you. Yeah, oh
Speaker 3: my god, I love that that mini series, Tommy Lee.
Speaker 3: Think about this, Tommy Lee Jones and Robert Duval playing
Speaker 3: ranchers and they're just playing off each other. Sign me
Speaker 3: up six hours of that, right, I know Danny Glover's
Speaker 3: in there, Robert Urick angelic at Houston. Wow, Diane Lane,
Speaker 3: it's a great It's stacked. Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I it came out and see in nineteen eighty nine,
Speaker 2: so I might have just been too young to catch
Speaker 2: it when it aired. But now now we have everything
Speaker 2: at our fingertips.
Speaker 3: So you have something special waiting for you. You need.
Speaker 3: I want you to report back after you watch Lonesome Dove.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, And by the way, I want to say
Speaker 2: one more thing because you reminded me duvall on Conan
Speaker 2: O'Brien speaking of this is.
Speaker 3: So funny you sent this to me. Yes, this what
Speaker 3: I love is too.
Speaker 2: You know, Duval like plays a lot of like serious parts,
Speaker 2: and you could think that maybe he's a self serious person,
Speaker 2: but not the case.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: He's a guest on Conan O'Brien, and Connor's like, oh,
Speaker 2: I guess you know. With the DVD release of The
Speaker 2: Godfather coming out with all the extras, there's a deleted scene.
Speaker 2: I think we have a clip here, and basically they
Speaker 2: got Duval and a Vagoda to recreate a scene. It's
Speaker 2: like from Godfather one, you know, where Vogoda's basically being
Speaker 2: sent off to be executed.
Speaker 3: He's like, Tom, can you get me off the hook
Speaker 3: for old time sake?
Speaker 2: For old time sake?
Speaker 3: I was like, sorry, can't do it, Sally. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But then because they got them back, you know,
Speaker 2: they recreated this moment. Vagoda's like, what if I bought
Speaker 2: you a hot dog? Devall's like, sorry, sounds delicious, can't fit.
Speaker 3: It, you know, like, I'll get your ice cream. You
Speaker 3: always did have a sweet tooth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fun seeing them be silly together from such
Speaker 2: an iconic film. Yeah, coming back and recreating those characters
Speaker 2: to do something silly one night on Conan O'Brien, Yeah, so.
Speaker 3: I love it. Yeah, Well, certainly Robert Duvall would be missed.
Speaker 3: But everybody we just spoke of, I mean, they they
Speaker 3: left a mark, you know, and I think I think
Speaker 3: their work will continue to be watched and enjoyed for
Speaker 3: for for decades to come.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I was thinking about like even Eric Dane right, like,
Speaker 3: like if nothing else, he has that slice of Grey's Anatomy,
Speaker 3: and and people are always watching Gray's Anatomy. I mean
Speaker 3: that show is a juggernaut on streaming, so it's like
Speaker 3: for decades to come, if nothing else, Just that, you know,
Speaker 3: any other thoughts, Brian, That's it, But I'm happy we
Speaker 3: could celebrate those people, I very much, so I agree. Yeah. Uh,
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