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True Murder with your host, 30 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:45.680 journalist and author Dan Zupansky. 31 00:01:46.719 --> 00:01:49.200 Good evening, This is your host Dan Zuhanski for the 32 00:01:49.239 --> 00:01:52.120 program True Murder, The most Shocking Killers in True Crime 33 00:01:52.239 --> 00:01:56.599 History and the authors that have written about them. David Mahler, 34 00:01:57.040 --> 00:01:59.680 a forty three year old East Coast lawyer, came to 35 00:01:59.680 --> 00:02:03.480 Holly for the celebrity lifestyle, the movie industry, and the women. 36 00:02:04.120 --> 00:02:07.400 At his seven level home in the Hollywood Hills, Maler 37 00:02:07.480 --> 00:02:10.199 rubbed elbows with the ceed elements of the entertainment world, 38 00:02:10.599 --> 00:02:15.639 wannabe rock stars, drug kingpins, and adult film stars, one 39 00:02:15.680 --> 00:02:20.719 of whom introduced him to Kristin Baldwin, a pretty upbeat blonde. 40 00:02:20.919 --> 00:02:24.120 One night, during a violent argument in his bedroom, a vicious, 41 00:02:24.199 --> 00:02:27.680 drug crazed Maler grabbed a gun, A shot rang out, 42 00:02:27.800 --> 00:02:32.120 and Kris Kristen was never seen alive again. The book 43 00:02:32.159 --> 00:02:35.439 we're featuring this evening is Date with the Devil with 44 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:39.960 my special guest, journalist and best selling author Don Lassiter. 45 00:02:40.039 --> 00:02:42.599 Welcome back to the program, and thank you for agreeing 46 00:02:42.639 --> 00:02:44.280 to this interview. Don Lassiter. 47 00:02:45.520 --> 00:02:47.199 Thanks Dan, it's great to be here again. 48 00:02:47.759 --> 00:02:51.080 Well, thank you very much. This is one wild tale, 49 00:02:51.120 --> 00:02:54.960 as we were talking about beforehand. Now set the stage 50 00:02:55.000 --> 00:02:59.280 for us a little bit. We should really paint a 51 00:02:59.319 --> 00:03:02.599 picture of the king characters here, because there aren't that 52 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:04.879 many characters in this story, but they are very, very 53 00:03:04.919 --> 00:03:13.479 important and very interesting characters. Let's maybe start with Kristin Baldwin. 54 00:03:13.879 --> 00:03:19.159 Kristin Franri Frenna Baldwin. Tell us a little bit, she's 55 00:03:19.199 --> 00:03:21.960 from New York originally, but tell us everything that you 56 00:03:22.039 --> 00:03:26.520 found out about who Kristin Baldwin was and her early 57 00:03:26.599 --> 00:03:30.199 life leading up to this faithful day. 58 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:34.479 Well, Kristin, as you said, was born in New York 59 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:39.560 and her parents were somewhat of no maddice at first, 60 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:45.479 and they split up. Eventually. Her mother remarried a man 61 00:03:45.520 --> 00:03:49.800 who in the electronics industry, and he moved them to 62 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:54.759 California to a very upscale San Fernando Valley section called 63 00:03:54.800 --> 00:04:00.879 Westlake Village. Beautiful home, rich environment, movie stars, upscale people 64 00:04:00.919 --> 00:04:07.120 live there. Kristen grew up in that environment and in 65 00:04:07.159 --> 00:04:12.520 an upper middle class lifestyle. Eventually she left home, moved 66 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:16.480 to a coastal community and went to some college, and 67 00:04:16.560 --> 00:04:19.720 then she found that she was attracted to Hawaii. She 68 00:04:19.759 --> 00:04:22.360 went over to Hawaii and spent ten years over there, 69 00:04:22.639 --> 00:04:27.759 surfing and working as a waitress. Very happy life. But 70 00:04:27.839 --> 00:04:32.040 eventually she came back and she was a little difficulty 71 00:04:32.079 --> 00:04:35.800 in finding some roots. And that's what happened when she 72 00:04:36.040 --> 00:04:38.120 met David Maller. 73 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:43.839 Now she was how old by the time she had 74 00:04:43.879 --> 00:04:46.120 met David Maler though when she was. 75 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:48.920 Saying early forties, I believe about forty forty one at 76 00:04:48.920 --> 00:04:49.279 the time. 77 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:54.920 Right now, tell us about David Maler. Tell us everything 78 00:04:54.920 --> 00:04:57.920 he found out about David Maller. His early life up 79 00:04:57.959 --> 00:05:02.639 to him becoming a civil attorney. Seems successful if he's 80 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:05.680 living in Hollywood Hills. But tell us about the early 81 00:05:05.720 --> 00:05:07.160 life of David Maler. Please. 82 00:05:08.399 --> 00:05:11.040 It's interesting Dan that in my book I said his 83 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:15.399 childhood was somewhat uneventful. He did. I knew he had 84 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:20.720 some drug problems. He confessed that during the investigation. But 85 00:05:21.439 --> 00:05:23.759 I'm going to fill in a little something that happened 86 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:27.000 just a few days ago here. I received an email 87 00:05:27.079 --> 00:05:30.279 from someone who is very close to David in his childhood, 88 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:35.040 knew him quite well, and who said that you didn't 89 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:37.240 tell half the story of David. He was far more 90 00:05:37.279 --> 00:05:41.319 evil than you even realized. And this person told me 91 00:05:42.120 --> 00:05:46.959 a considerable amount of about David, his fights with his 92 00:05:47.000 --> 00:05:50.560 own father, his hitting his grandfather with a baseball bat, 93 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:53.199 is getting out kicked out of several schools, and his 94 00:05:53.279 --> 00:05:57.120 drug usage. So that establishes a little bit more of 95 00:05:57.160 --> 00:05:59.800 his background than I was able to tell in the book. 96 00:06:00.920 --> 00:06:06.040 He went to law school, he earned he passed the 97 00:06:06.079 --> 00:06:08.519 bar examine both New York and New Jersey, and was 98 00:06:08.560 --> 00:06:11.959 practicing there for several years. At one point he was 99 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:15.800 living with a young woman who was from also from California. 100 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:18.920 He met her during a trip out here and they 101 00:06:18.920 --> 00:06:20.680 fell in love, and she went back there and lived 102 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:26.000 with him over a year or so. They continued their 103 00:06:26.040 --> 00:06:30.319 relationship for quite some time, even after he came back. 104 00:06:30.360 --> 00:06:35.360 That he moved to California. But it's a little questionable 105 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:39.240 why he moved to California. Some people think it was 106 00:06:39.319 --> 00:06:41.680 just to come out here and live in the lifestyle. 107 00:06:42.199 --> 00:06:45.720 Others think he had some problems with some of his 108 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:51.480 clients in New Jersey. It was even suggested that there 109 00:06:51.560 --> 00:06:57.120 was some let's see criminal aspects to some of his 110 00:06:57.199 --> 00:06:59.759 people that he didn't want to be around anymore. So 111 00:06:59.800 --> 00:07:02.360 he decided to pull up his all of his roots 112 00:07:02.360 --> 00:07:03.439 and move to California. 113 00:07:05.839 --> 00:07:09.600 Now was he a successful attorney? Was he would he 114 00:07:09.639 --> 00:07:13.439 handle high profile civil cases? What was his career like 115 00:07:13.519 --> 00:07:16.519 once he did get to Hollywood. 116 00:07:16.839 --> 00:07:20.079 Well, he was quite successful in the East Coast, but 117 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:23.360 he could not pass the bar exam in California. So 118 00:07:23.480 --> 00:07:26.680 when he moved to the Hollywood Hills, he was a 119 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:29.720 commodities trader. I put that in quote marks. 120 00:07:32.439 --> 00:07:37.079 Now it seems glamorous. He's living in a big, you know, plush, 121 00:07:37.240 --> 00:07:41.000 plush home in Hollywood Hills, but he's sharing the rent 122 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:44.160 with a lot of co tenants. So maybe you can 123 00:07:44.240 --> 00:07:50.279 introduce us to some of those co tenants. And so 124 00:07:50.879 --> 00:07:55.800 please start with one of the most important roommates, Donald, 125 00:07:57.120 --> 00:07:58.839 and you can pronounce the last name, so I do 126 00:07:58.959 --> 00:07:59.879 not get it wrong when. 127 00:07:59.720 --> 00:08:06.639 I Donald van de Velde was a professional musician or 128 00:08:06.639 --> 00:08:09.720 a rock star, Well, his goal was to be a 129 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:13.839 rock star. I should say he had. He had had 130 00:08:13.879 --> 00:08:18.800 certain levels of success prior to this episode and had 131 00:08:19.199 --> 00:08:23.000 issued some some CDs. But at the time he was 132 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:26.519 living with David Maller in the seven level house in 133 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:30.800 Hollywood Hills. He was having pretty rocky time. I understand 134 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:34.679 since then the Donald has re emerged and is doing 135 00:08:34.759 --> 00:08:37.000 quite well in the music business. At that time, he 136 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:40.519 was pretty much living as a handyman, and so he 137 00:08:40.679 --> 00:08:43.000 was one of the tenets of the big house that 138 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:47.000 David Maller took uh. He became the least holder and 139 00:08:47.120 --> 00:08:51.519 manager on the house prior to his arrival, a man 140 00:08:51.600 --> 00:08:54.240 named Karl Norvig And that's that's a an assumed name. 141 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:57.639 Several people, or I should say a pseudonym. Several people 142 00:08:58.240 --> 00:09:01.919 in this book have pseudonyms to protect their privacy. Carl 143 00:09:02.039 --> 00:09:04.759 had been the manager of the place and lived in 144 00:09:04.759 --> 00:09:08.720 the upper stories before David's arrival, but David took over, 145 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:12.720 so Karl Norvick moved down a couple of floors, and 146 00:09:12.759 --> 00:09:18.720 then a third person, Jeremy Moody, lived in the floors 147 00:09:18.759 --> 00:09:21.960 below that, and then Don Vandervelde and his wife lived 148 00:09:21.960 --> 00:09:23.240 on the bottom floors. 149 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:29.200 Now there was another roommate Johann Langley as well lived. 150 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:32.919 We're not going to talk about Johann Langley. 151 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:39.559 Okay, I understand, got it? Okay, Now, now what was 152 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:42.120 the relationship? You say that they were tenants, but how 153 00:09:42.159 --> 00:09:44.039 did they all come to live in this home? Were 154 00:09:44.080 --> 00:09:48.159 they friends by any route? Or tell us how they 155 00:09:48.200 --> 00:09:49.919 all came to live in this in this place. 156 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:55.440 No, Actually, the man we're calling Karl Norvik, had been operating, 157 00:09:55.600 --> 00:09:58.519 had been a leaseholder and manager, and he had least 158 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:02.639 he hadn't rented I should say, space to Donald Vandevelde 159 00:10:02.720 --> 00:10:07.559 and to Jeremy Moody, and then when Maller showed up, 160 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:10.240 he took over. And so then those three men then 161 00:10:10.320 --> 00:10:13.559 were his tenants in the house. They weren't necessarily close 162 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:18.960 friends at all, although Norvic and Mahler became quite close friends, 163 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:21.399 but that turned out to be somewhat of a disaster 164 00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:22.120 for Norvic. 165 00:10:23.759 --> 00:10:27.039 Now, right from the outset was this party central this home? 166 00:10:27.159 --> 00:10:30.159 And if we're talking about drug use, we're talking about 167 00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:33.799 having some parties, but we're talking about drug use specifically 168 00:10:33.960 --> 00:10:35.679 what drugs were used. 169 00:10:37.399 --> 00:10:41.480 Maller had a habit he brought with him. He liked meth, 170 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:44.759 he liked cocaine, and those were his two primary drugs, 171 00:10:44.759 --> 00:10:51.600 but he was also quite hooked on booze on mostly. 172 00:10:52.440 --> 00:10:58.519 Vodka, so was whatever whatever could get you through the night. 173 00:10:58.639 --> 00:11:02.600 And he was a serious drug user. Anyway, we're going 174 00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:08.159 to try to establish he was indeed. Yes, Now, just 175 00:11:08.360 --> 00:11:17.519 previous to May twenty seventh, two and seven, David Maler 176 00:11:17.639 --> 00:11:22.159 met with a business associate on May twenty third in 177 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:25.879 Newport Beach. Maybe you can tell us what happened with 178 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:30.039 this meeting and tell us about this meeting. 179 00:11:30.159 --> 00:11:34.720 Well, just a week before that meeting, Maler had met 180 00:11:35.039 --> 00:11:38.440 Kristin Baldwin. Let me just give you a little background 181 00:11:38.440 --> 00:11:43.159 how he met. When Maler came out to California, he 182 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:46.799 was acting as a commodities trader, but he also wanted 183 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:49.879 to get into some other industries and he was very 184 00:11:49.919 --> 00:11:54.200 interested in strippers and the porn industry, and he managed 185 00:11:54.240 --> 00:11:57.600 to make some contacts in that area. A rather well 186 00:11:57.679 --> 00:12:05.200 known porn actor at the time named Michael Coniuccente. His 187 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:10.799 his performing name was Damian Michaels had met Maller and 188 00:12:10.840 --> 00:12:17.559 he somehow introduced him to Kristin Baldwin because Connoscenti had 189 00:12:17.600 --> 00:12:20.960 met her. I think in a restaurant, just in chatting up, 190 00:12:21.000 --> 00:12:23.960 and then they started dating a little bit. I don't 191 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:28.240 know that Christen even knew that Michael Connocenti was a 192 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:35.840 porn actor, but he introduced Kristin to Maller. They started dating. 193 00:12:36.399 --> 00:12:40.039 One weekend, Maller told Kristin, I have some business in 194 00:12:40.120 --> 00:12:42.679 Newport Beach and I would like to take you down 195 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:44.720 there with me, and she had readily agreed. He had 196 00:12:44.720 --> 00:12:48.000 a brand new Jaguar and nice clothing and was spending 197 00:12:48.039 --> 00:12:50.200 quite a bit of money, and so she said sure, 198 00:12:50.519 --> 00:12:54.320 so she went along. The two of them went down 199 00:12:54.320 --> 00:12:56.440 there and they had a business meeting with one of 200 00:12:56.480 --> 00:13:01.200 the Maler's clients, and they were seen by the video cameras, 201 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:05.279 the security cameras going into a very plush hotel down there, 202 00:13:06.159 --> 00:13:09.360 and that night there were some arguments in their room, 203 00:13:10.039 --> 00:13:14.879 and Maller in anger drove away and just deserted Kristin 204 00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:18.159 into the hotel. The next day she had to find 205 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:21.879 some way back. Most people assumed that she took a 206 00:13:21.919 --> 00:13:24.720 taxi all the way from Newport Beach back to the 207 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:27.240 San Fernando Valley, which would be at least a one 208 00:13:27.279 --> 00:13:31.279 hundred dollars taxi ride, right and then the next day 209 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:34.320 then she called Maler and said she wanted her money 210 00:13:34.320 --> 00:13:37.320 back and she was going up to the house in 211 00:13:37.360 --> 00:13:38.960 the Hollywood Hills to see him. 212 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:44.600 Okay, now, so what happened when she did get there? 213 00:13:44.759 --> 00:13:50.279 And at least and where was it? Was Donald at 214 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:51.440 their president at that time. 215 00:13:51.799 --> 00:13:56.399 He was Kristin and Kristin and Maller. We were having 216 00:13:56.399 --> 00:13:59.440 a terrible argument about, probably about the money. No one knows, 217 00:13:59.480 --> 00:14:05.879 certainly they were arguing about. At one point, Mahler telephoned 218 00:14:06.080 --> 00:14:10.440 Donnie van de Velda in his bottom floor apartment and said, 219 00:14:10.600 --> 00:14:12.919 come on up here, I need your help. Van de 220 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:15.960 Velda raced up some exterior stairs and went in and 221 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:18.600 there was Kristin sitting on the floor crying where some 222 00:14:18.759 --> 00:14:23.440 wearing some flimsy shorts and a haltertop, crying and begging 223 00:14:23.519 --> 00:14:30.799 to leave. Maler is walking around wearing a white terry 224 00:14:30.840 --> 00:14:35.039 cloth robe taken from the Marriotte Hochel because they still 225 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:40.519 has the label on it, and he's yelling and screaming 226 00:14:40.559 --> 00:14:45.720 and carrying on like a crazy man, according to Van Develda, 227 00:14:45.159 --> 00:14:49.600 And pretty soon he goes into close and comes out 228 00:14:49.600 --> 00:14:53.559 with a revolver. He puts one bullet into the chamber 229 00:14:54.039 --> 00:14:57.399 and spins it and starts clicking it at Kristin and 230 00:14:57.440 --> 00:15:01.879 at Donnie. Donnie said, the heck with this man, and 231 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:04.440 he stepped out, and as he slammed the door closed, 232 00:15:04.440 --> 00:15:05.679 he heard the gun go off. 233 00:15:07.960 --> 00:15:09.960 So what did he do right after that? 234 00:15:10.360 --> 00:15:14.759 Well, Donnie raced down his apartment, just in fear and terror. 235 00:15:14.840 --> 00:15:18.080 He was just stunned and he didn't know whether she'd 236 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:21.679 been hit or not. A few minutes later, he gets 237 00:15:21.679 --> 00:15:24.279 another call from Maller, come on up, I need your help. 238 00:15:25.159 --> 00:15:28.080 He goes out and he looks in and he sees her, 239 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:30.919 her hand extending out from under a blanket. She's on 240 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:35.840 the floor covered and she's quite still. 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Now 271 00:17:04.039 --> 00:17:07.640 with a dead body of a young woman lying in 272 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:12.160 that house. Maller and Atticus are partying at the hotel. 273 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:15.000 He goes out and finds a hooker. They come in 274 00:17:15.160 --> 00:17:18.440 and they party all night long drinking and destroy a 275 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:22.640 three thousand dollars television set and just have a great time. 276 00:17:23.759 --> 00:17:27.000 Just a stunning sequence of events considering that he had 277 00:17:27.039 --> 00:17:28.119 just killed a young woman. 278 00:17:29.119 --> 00:17:32.119 Now what does he talk about with Atticus Keene? What 279 00:17:32.279 --> 00:17:35.839 is he? What is he? Does he mention anything about Kristin? 280 00:17:35.880 --> 00:17:40.119 And all he does? He mentioned that there's a body 281 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:42.839 he needs to get rid of, and Atticus says, man, 282 00:17:42.880 --> 00:17:44.559 I don't want anything to do with that. I'm not 283 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:47.680 doing that. So one more of his Francis turned him down. 284 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:51.119 He also made several phone calls to other men and 285 00:17:51.160 --> 00:17:52.279 they all turned him down. 286 00:17:52.960 --> 00:17:55.680 How many more people did he call asking for help 287 00:17:55.799 --> 00:17:57.160 in disposal. 288 00:17:56.880 --> 00:17:59.200 Well, no one knows for certain. We know that he 289 00:17:59.319 --> 00:18:03.920 called Michael Conocente for one, and Michael didn't wantnything to 290 00:18:03.960 --> 00:18:07.359 do with it, and probably one or two others. Finally, 291 00:18:08.200 --> 00:18:12.359 about the third day after he killed her, about midnight, 292 00:18:12.839 --> 00:18:16.680 his Jaguar is photographed by a security camera next door 293 00:18:16.759 --> 00:18:21.559 to the house in the Hills, and he pulls out 294 00:18:21.599 --> 00:18:24.559 and then backs into his garage and then pulls out 295 00:18:24.599 --> 00:18:28.680 again and is gone for several hours, just long enough. 296 00:18:28.680 --> 00:18:31.559 It was later determined too that he could have driven 297 00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:34.359 out to Barstow way out in the desert, over one 298 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:39.359 hundred miles and back, and that's where two weeks later, 299 00:18:39.480 --> 00:18:41.559 Kristin Bowen's body was discovered. 300 00:18:42.920 --> 00:18:47.680 Okay, now tell us about the discovery of the body, 301 00:18:49.039 --> 00:18:52.599 and then I'm gain a little bit of the sequence 302 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:59.160 of events. A little confused here, But is Kristin reported 303 00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:02.599 missing immediately? And if not, why not tell us what 304 00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:07.400 happened right after in terms of anyone realizing that she 305 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:10.440 was in danger or missing. Tell us about that. 306 00:19:10.880 --> 00:19:14.359 Well, because Kristin had moved around to several various apartments 307 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:18.319 and several jobs in the in the months prior to 308 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:21.720 the murder. I shouldn't say murder because there was never 309 00:19:21.759 --> 00:19:27.359 a murder conviction. Next. Prior to the killing, she didn't 310 00:19:27.400 --> 00:19:29.759 have regular contact with a lot of people. She had 311 00:19:29.799 --> 00:19:33.599 a sister who lived in the area and they often 312 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:39.960 talked by phone or by texting. And the sister hadn't 313 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:43.440 heard from Kristin for nearly two weeks and she was 314 00:19:43.440 --> 00:19:46.440 getting a little nervous. But no, there was no no missing, 315 00:19:46.680 --> 00:19:50.480 no missing person's report, no indication or any crime at all. 316 00:19:52.640 --> 00:19:57.559 Until about two weeks after the killing. A woman was 317 00:19:57.640 --> 00:20:01.240 driving out in the desert. She crossed over this low 318 00:20:01.400 --> 00:20:04.920 bridge over a wash way out in the middle of nowhere, 319 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:08.279 and a car came around a curve from the opposite 320 00:20:08.279 --> 00:20:13.319 direction nearly had a head on crash, but the young 321 00:20:13.359 --> 00:20:15.720 woman driving her pickup pulled over to the side of 322 00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:17.759 the road in time to avoid the crash. But she 323 00:20:17.880 --> 00:20:21.720 was stuck in the shoulder and she was frightened. We're 324 00:20:21.720 --> 00:20:23.880 out in the middle of this one hundred and five 325 00:20:23.920 --> 00:20:25.759 degree desert in the middle of the day, and she 326 00:20:25.799 --> 00:20:28.319 had no water and her cell phone wouldn't work. So 327 00:20:28.440 --> 00:20:30.519 she's sitting there, doesn't know what to do, and a 328 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:33.799 couple of marines pull up behind her and offer to 329 00:20:33.839 --> 00:20:37.279 help her. They can't get her car unstuck, so they 330 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:41.240 stepped down into that wash to get some rocks or 331 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:44.640 sticks or something to put under her tires, and one 332 00:20:44.720 --> 00:20:48.880 of them spots the glint of a golden wristwatch sticking 333 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:52.720 out from under the low bridge. He walks over and 334 00:20:52.759 --> 00:20:56.599 he finds a dead body, a desiccated, mummified He couldn't 335 00:20:56.599 --> 00:20:59.279 even tell the sex of the body, but they called 336 00:20:59.319 --> 00:21:04.160 the detective and now there's a homicide to be investigated. 337 00:21:05.440 --> 00:21:09.680 Now you talked about decomposed and this is important how 338 00:21:10.519 --> 00:21:13.319 you've described it. But how decomposed is this in terms 339 00:21:13.359 --> 00:21:18.640 of as far as the police are concerned or forensics 340 00:21:18.799 --> 00:21:19.440 are concerned. 341 00:21:19.920 --> 00:21:26.200 Well, the flesh is almost completely desiccated and dried and black. 342 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:31.720 The clothing is almost in shreds. The face is just 343 00:21:31.880 --> 00:21:37.319 virtually a skull covered by black leather. But amazingly, when 344 00:21:37.359 --> 00:21:41.400 they took the body into the morgue for autopsy, through 345 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:45.720 a new process, they were able to put some some 346 00:21:45.880 --> 00:21:50.799 material on her fingertips and draw draw up fingerprints, and 347 00:21:50.839 --> 00:21:53.839 that was that led to the identification of the body 348 00:21:53.839 --> 00:21:54.960 as Kristin Baldwin. 349 00:21:56.599 --> 00:22:02.119 They could tell through autopsy as well, maybe not the 350 00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:05.519 complete story, but they at least knew how she was killed, 351 00:22:05.799 --> 00:22:07.480 or at least tell us about that. 352 00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:10.519 What they did determine, well, Dan that wasn't even certain. 353 00:22:11.119 --> 00:22:14.880 There was some question later about one autopsy report said 354 00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:17.920 there was a hole in the chest, another said there 355 00:22:17.960 --> 00:22:20.880 was a hole in her head, and neither one were 356 00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:25.319 as absolutely conclusive as to what the cause of death was. 357 00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:30.839 But circumstantially it was later indicated that she was probably shot, 358 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:32.400 either in the chest or the head. 359 00:22:34.440 --> 00:22:36.799 Now, the other thing for all those CSI bots out 360 00:22:36.799 --> 00:22:39.480 there and everybody talking about DNA in the last twenty years. 361 00:22:41.240 --> 00:22:45.359 This body, this corpse, did not provide a DNA sample. 362 00:22:46.240 --> 00:22:48.599 Know, there was no DNA available at all on her, 363 00:22:49.160 --> 00:22:52.359 and I'm not certain why. I've talked about that with 364 00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:57.160 several experts, and there may have just been failure to 365 00:22:59.759 --> 00:23:04.240 do the process correctly, because as you may know, the 366 00:23:04.880 --> 00:23:11.599 mumbified body of King Tut produced DNA. So it's mysterious 367 00:23:11.599 --> 00:23:13.720 why there was no DNA in this case. But there 368 00:23:13.839 --> 00:23:16.960 wasn't Perhaps it wasn't even necessary when they were able 369 00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:21.319 to identify her through fingerprints right right. 370 00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:24.400 And then later we'll talk about how they got around 371 00:23:24.440 --> 00:23:28.480 this DNA quite easily, and of course that's just a 372 00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:33.039 nature of DNA. Now, so what do the police know 373 00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:36.400 on June first? Tell us what happens on June first, 374 00:23:36.559 --> 00:23:40.039 and in terms of the police and what the police 375 00:23:40.039 --> 00:23:40.519 are toold. 376 00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:47.440 Well, Karl Norvik, who was one of the two who 377 00:23:47.480 --> 00:23:51.519 saw the body, worried about it for but two or 378 00:23:51.519 --> 00:23:54.000 three nights. He was just in agony. What shall I do? 379 00:23:54.079 --> 00:23:56.640 What shall I do? He was afraid of Marler because 380 00:23:56.680 --> 00:24:00.480 Marler was an extremely controlling and at times violent person, 381 00:24:01.319 --> 00:24:03.359 and he seemed to have a great deal of power 382 00:24:03.400 --> 00:24:07.680 he exerted over clients, friends, people, who was a powerful man, 383 00:24:08.319 --> 00:24:12.279 and Norwick was scared for his own life. It also 384 00:24:12.319 --> 00:24:18.000 would turn out later that Mahler had kind of pulled 385 00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:22.200 some shenanigans on Norwick, costing him a great deal of money. 386 00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:28.680 And Norwick's own mother had trusted Mahler to invest the 387 00:24:28.720 --> 00:24:31.279 money that cost her her home and her car later, 388 00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:35.119 so there were some stress. There was some stress between 389 00:24:35.119 --> 00:24:39.079 the two men. Norwick left the premises after he saw 390 00:24:39.079 --> 00:24:43.519 the body and went to another county. But finally, three 391 00:24:43.599 --> 00:24:46.359 nights later he decided I need to report this, and 392 00:24:46.400 --> 00:24:50.960 he called the police, and that said in motion, detectives 393 00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:54.920 going up to the house in the Hollywood Hills. But remember, 394 00:24:54.960 --> 00:24:57.960 now there's no body, there's no report of a missing person. 395 00:24:58.200 --> 00:25:02.799 There's nothing except this man calling and saying that he 396 00:25:02.880 --> 00:25:07.119 saw a woman who'd apparently been shot in Maller's bedroom. 397 00:25:08.359 --> 00:25:10.960 Now police able to get a warrant, and if they were, 398 00:25:11.079 --> 00:25:13.680 what did they find at the home. 399 00:25:15.319 --> 00:25:20.119 The police came out and about midnight after Narvik's called 400 00:25:21.079 --> 00:25:23.680 and three of the finest detectives I've ever met in 401 00:25:23.720 --> 00:25:29.200