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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You're Wrong

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with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of The Federalist and

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David Harsani, senior writer at The Washington Examiner. Just as

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Speaker 2: How are you, Molly great, How are you doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great. I'm excited that the deportations have begun,

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especially Mahmoud Khalil, a Colombian, a Colombian, a graduate, a

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former graduate student at Columbia University, and i'd say a

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ring leader of a lot of the quote unquote protests

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that went on recently, is being hopefully deported from the

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United States. It's a Trump administration moving on the president's

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executive order to what I forgot that was worded maybe

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stop anti Semitism or whatever it was.

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Speaker 2: To put this in context, after October seventh, we started

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to see this growing student movement, particularly at elite colleges,

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of opposing Israel's response to the October seventh massacre. Is

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that the context that's needed here.

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Speaker 1: I would say that that's right, except that in places

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like Harvard and probably Columbia. I don't remember. The protests

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began before Israel even responded to it. They were basically

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rationalizing and justifying the resistance of Hamas and they viewed

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October seventh the rape and killing of innocent civilians as

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part of that movement. I think that's fair to say.

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Speaker 2: So it's been an interesting story to me because we've

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had a lot of left wing student movements, including ones

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that have the support of this same group of people,

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that did not result in a great deal of attention

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from high Republican leaders. So, for instance, and if you

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went to the BLM site on Day one of the

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BLM protests and riots, you saw that they had as

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one of their key beliefs opposition to Israel and support

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for Palestinian like complete takeover from the river to the sea,

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as they say. And yet you had like met Romney

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marching with BLM, and as these groups did so much

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damage on campuses for years, if not decades, nobody really cared.

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And then when they went after Israel for its response

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or even as you note, really they just started going

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after Israel almost like to celebrate what had happened on

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October seventh. Is that too much to say, or kind

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of felt like they were celebrating it.

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Speaker 1: I think they were in all of them, but many

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of them all of a sudden.

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Speaker 2: You see, like Republicans spring into action and say we've

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got a problem on our campuses. Is a little weird

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that they waited until that point to do anything about it,

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but it's just heart So I've seen some I think

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you and I are both pretty strongly free speech.

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Speaker 1: Right, I think so. I think I'm yeah.

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Speaker 2: And so I kind of want to talk just like

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about that part of it, because I've seen some free

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speech people being really upset that the Trump administration is

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deporting a guy with a green card over his speech.

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Do you agree that that's what's going on, or do

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you think there's more to it, or do you think

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that even if that's true, that is a problem.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, let's take a step back on the BLM

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aspect you just mentioned. This is not an excuse for anyone.

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I think when BLM broke out, the world was still

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a bit of a different place, right, and Republicans are

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very nervous and have always been been nervous of being

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portrayed as being racists or white supremacists or whatever. So

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they've always been cowardly when it comes to racial issues,

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even clearly racialist identitarian issues like BLM. But it seems

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to me like BLM is dead now. That's why I

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think it's different. Whereas when you see people championing terrorists,

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that's something a lot easier frankly to stand up against.

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I mean, you'd think it would be, but not that

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everyone does. As far as the free speech issue, free

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speech is protected by the First Amendment, and it's also

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I think you and I agree on this a virtue

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right that we believe should be virtue or an ideal

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that should be protected no matter where people are. I

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think it's a natural So I support Khalil's right to

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free speech in Algeria and Syria. I hope it goes

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unfettered and he can say all the things he wants

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to say. But you don't have a constitutional right to

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be in the United States. And not only is it

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illegal for you to support a terrorist organization here while

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you have a green card. And by the way, the

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green card system, the entire immigration system, and the levels

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of protection. Green card is the highest level of protection

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before you're citizen. We're created as a vetting process to

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give us time to see if you're a good citizen.

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If you are an insurrectionist and you are stoking bigotry

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and you are supporting a group that is on the

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DOJ terrorist list, we would be insane to give you citizenship.

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It's like inviting a fifth column to live in the

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United States. No country should ever do that. So I

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think speech should be protect but your right to be

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here is not protected. And he broke the law. Now

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is it constitutional to have a law that says you're

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not allowed to espouse support for certain groups. I guess

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we can take that to the Supreme Court. But sorry

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to be ranting here, but one last thing. You know,

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I've told you many times my parents were defectors from

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Eastern Europe, right or Central Europe, a communist country. When

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they got here, they had to renounce communism. They had

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to promise not to be involved in insurrections and not

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to undermine the constitution. Does Khalil meet any of those standards? No,

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we you know, So I just don't even understand why

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we would want someone like this here in the first place.

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And one more thing. Khalil also was the ring leader

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of groups that targeted Jewish students on the Columbia campus,

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that took over buildings, vandalized them, destroyed buildings. He was

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the negotiator for the Colombia Divest from Israel organization whatever

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it was that had taken Hamilton Hall. He led protests

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where they put up big signs that said death to America.

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Now that's a speech issue. And the thing is that

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a lot of Democrats claim that he was not convicted

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of a crime, thus he has done nothing wrong. First

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of all, you can lose your immigration status over things

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that aren't, you know, without criminal conviction. But more than that,

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Alvin Bragg will not convict anyone in New York who

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does this sort of thing. He let rioters out of

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jail without any charges. So what are we supposed to

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do because there's a socialist DA now who allows these

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graduate students and others to target Jewish students. Now, so

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what We're just supposed to sit here and let a

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bunch of anti Semites come into this country into schools

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that are already propped up by Katari money. I mean,

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it's it's just insand it it's suicidal, I think.

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Speaker 2: So I'm about to see so if that happens. I apologize,

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but yeah, I have a few different thoughts on this,

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and they largely align with yours. I do care that

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people are not punished for their speech, and I believe

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that freedom of speech is a natural right. I also

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don't think that means that foreigners, whether they are here

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like on this status or another status, have the same

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right to be free from government action in response to

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speech that American citizens do. And it's a privilege to

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have a green card. It's a beautiful privilege. It's like

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an amazing, wonderful privilege to have a green card. And

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people who are guests in a country that is not

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their own should be respectful of that, I think, And

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I was thinking about this, like, let's say, you know,

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someone came in from Scotland and they were a pro

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life activist that was causing problems, or that they were

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associated with a group that was engaged in some terrorist

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activity against abortion clinics. Even though I'm pro life, not

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that I would ever support any violence and defense of that,

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but even though in pro life, I wouldn't say that

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someone who was coming into our country to do this

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kind of protest that they should be free from many

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repercussions that the government wouldn't have a right to deport.

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You know, I always try to come up with something

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in my mind that's more sympathetic than a Hamas supporter,

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Coulter was saying how this was a violation of free

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speech rights. I think, I just I don't see it

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that way, and I don't care about the issue at

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the level that some other people do. I saw that

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over at the Voloch Conspiracy. Iliashman was also talking about

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the importance of protecting the First Amendment, or like making

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sure the First Amendment protections extend to people who support Hamas,

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and he was quite He's Jewish and an Israel supporter

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and not in any way sympathetic to this guy. But

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it's just I ultimately didn't find I did not find

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it as compelling it as I thought I might.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Ilia Soeman's argument was and I like him

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very much as a commentator, and he's a lawyer and

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all that, but it was propped up by the idea

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that we shouldn't really even have borders at all. I mean,

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he's a full blown libertarian. I'm pretty libertarian guy. But

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I think the only way we're going to preserve freedom

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is by actually having borders and not letting him people

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who want to destroy them here. I think that's part

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of defending liberties. But more than that, I think people

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should read Ilia Shapiro's piece at the Manhattan Institute explaining

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the legalities of their He's also a libertarian lawyer, and

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I think he made a more compelling case.

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Speaker 2: We're only going to let men named Ilia debate this

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for well. So Glenn Reynolds also said that he didn't

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think that people should be deported for speech reasons, but

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that he just didn't think this was a speech issue.

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He thinks this is a support for terrorism issue. Yeah,

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I think definitely I agree on that part about how

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support for terrorism is is a different category than your

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normal free speech stuff. But I actually I'm not even

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sure if I would extend First Amendment protections to people

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who are here on green card status.

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Speaker 1: If why do we even have green cards? Then, I mean,

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why do we have this vetting process if we're supposed

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to allow everyone in. Now, if it was nineteen forty

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and some German Nazi type was here and there were

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Nazis here, and they had big events at Madison Square Garden.

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But a German is here saying that the United States

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needs to be destroyed, the West needs to be you know,

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the anglosphere needs to be destroyed, and this and that.

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Will we give him citizenship? It's just insanity. I am

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for protecting the First Amendment rights of people or here,

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even people like Khalil. But if you're going to, you know,

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create insurrection here and side with America's enemies that are

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literally America's enemies, I don't think we should give you citizenship.

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And I don't know. I hate to even say these

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this phrase, but it's just common sense, right, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: So there's another angle that I think is interesting about Well,

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there are multiple angles that I find interesting about it.

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And one is something else you just referenced about Alvin

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Bragg will not hold people accountable for crimes committed as

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part of these pro Hamasi anti Israel protests, and that

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is true. And also true is that Columbia should have

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done more to make sure that their Jewish students were

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protected as they went to classes. I mean, Columbia is

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the worst of all the schools. I think they are

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threatening the operation of the school. They're not protecting students.

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There's been violence, there's been major disruption to the classes

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themselves in a way that I don't think we would

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tolerate for a different group that was targeted. And had

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the schools done a better job of creating sure places

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for people to protest while also protecting the rest of

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the students, I don't think we'd be seeing this deportation.

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And it is a big incentivizer for other schools, including

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Columbia and other schools to think about whether turning their

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campus over to the worst fringe elements who disrupt the

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proceedings of the school, whether that turned out to be

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such a good idea. I mean, Columbia has lost some

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obscene number of grants worth a lot of money as

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part of their support of these protests, and now their

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student leader has been deported, and you know, it's just

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maybe their strategy of how to handle it wasn't so great.

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Speaker 1: That's a very good point. I saw. I can't remember

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the school, some school you know, had shut down some

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forthcoming you know, so called protest. Losing four hundred, three

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hundred million dollars is not nothing even for these institutions. Honestly,

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I don't think taxpayers should be subsidizing these schools. With

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these giant bank accounts of billions of dollars, they could

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give free tuition to everyone if they felt like it.

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Another angle of Trump mentioned masks, and everyone's like, what's

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he talking about? Well, I don't know. Before COVID, I'm

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not sure people realize this, most or many cities had

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anti masking laws because people who wear masks, like the

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Klan and the Kafias of the pro Hamas people, they

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do it to intimidate other people minorities. Usually they do

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it because they want to engage in criminality. Now, we

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suspended a lot of he's lost during COVID when the

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government forced us to wear masks. But this is not

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some outlandish thing that Trump just dropped in. I'm not

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saying it doesn't drop outlandish things sometimes in his tweets,

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But this actually had a basis in law, a.

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Speaker 2: Huge basis in law that's going back like one hundred

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and fifty years. I don't know exactly how I feel

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about that either, like, but it was done for definite

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common good, public interest reasons. The Ku Klux Klan was

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intimidating people and engaged in you know, bad behavior, violence,

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property damage with its protests and riots and so there, Well,

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I forget what it was called. It's like I want

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to might even be called like thekk Act. It's right

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after the Civil War that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like in eighteen seventy one, I think the law.

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was about the Klan.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, and yeah then and so there are reasons

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why cities don't allow that. Cities and other municipalities don't

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let people wear masks as they commit violence or engage

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in right.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you. I don't know if that's constitutional. Like,

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I don't know why I shouldn't be able to wear

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a mask if I want to. It seems like a

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free speech issue. But we understand why people wear masks.

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We understand that they're going to be involved in something

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that they don't want to be identified being involved in anyway.

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So there's also a larger issue that I think is

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quite interesting. If Khalil is not deported and there's a

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chance he's going to go in front of immigration judge,

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he has lawyers, there's due process here, then shouldn't we

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start thinking maybe we don't let so many people in

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from places where liberalism is so popular, where people who

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want to destroy this country, who hate the West, who

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still bigotry in our schools of higher education. Why are

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we letting them in? If I can never say you

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can't be here for the things that you're doing, then

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why are we letting you in in the first place.

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I think that's something we should think about.

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Speaker 3: New York State has a new recruitment process for Democrat voters.

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Speaker 3: After DOJ's purge of the federal workforce, Governor Kathy Hochel

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is recruiting federal workers to move to New York. Does

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she really want employment or just more votes?

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Speaker 4: Whether it's happening in DC or down on Wall Street,

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it's affecting you financially.

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Speaker 1: Be informed.

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Speaker 1: And just tied to that, I saw see an end

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poll this morning that had Trump on the right side

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of immigration policy for the first time ever. Why Because

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it's clear now that the Biden administration wanted to allow

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anarchy at the order because crossings have plunged since the

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day Donald Trump became president, So clearly Democrats didn't want

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to secure the border, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Actually, one thing that's interesting about border crossings is

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that you see the change happen usually before a certain

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individual becomes president. So the moment Biden won reelection in

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twenty twenty, you start seeing a big increase in the

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numbers of people crossing the border. Likewise, the moment Trump wins,

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not when he takes office, but when he wins, you

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start to see a decrease because people understand that different

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enforcement means different things. And while it is a good

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and notable that you've seen crossings drop to a trickle

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under Trump, there are so many millions of illegal immigrants

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here improperly that we were told would be deported, and

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you have to deport a really large number each day

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each week to stay on top of the promise to

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deport all of the like twelve million illegal immigrants from

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Biden's time, don't plus all the others, and they're just

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not meeting those numbers. That's a little bit of a

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side topic. But before we talk about what it means

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to be American and what it means about who should

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be given this great privilege of being able to be

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part of our country, whether as a citizen or as

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a Green cardholder or otherwise. I do want to just

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point out one thing that you mentioned about legal representation

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and due process, so everything is proceeding according to how

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you would expect it to when they are deporting someone. Actually,

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that reminds me of one thing they did. Apparently when

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they grabbed him, they didn't like immediately say where he was,

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but you kept hearing people on the left say that

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he'd been disappeared, and it was a matter of hours

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before people knew where he was. A disappearing is a

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different thing than you know, not knowing exactly what facility

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he's in for a brief period of time. I mean,

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I totally believe he has or you know, the way

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that the system is set up that we have said

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that his lawyer should have access to that, and I'm

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not downplaying that. But the other thing I want to

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point out is that we had our Department of Justice

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engaged in what, by its own admission, was the biggest

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attack on any protest group ever in the history of

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our country with the J six protests and when that happened,

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and you know, hundreds and hundreds more than thousand people

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were rounded up and were overcharged according to the Supreme Court,

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And we're dealing with horrible conditions for protesting in a

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manner that's roughly similar to how like left wing protest

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movements have been allowed to proceed with barely any oversight

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for decades. No lawyers, no lawyers, and by the way,

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no lawyers on the right, like none of our prestigious

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conservative legal community stood up to defend these largely poor

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or not like wealthy people who were rounded up by

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an absolutely out of control Department of Justice. Here we

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have a terrorist sympathizer who is facing deportation, and he

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has a veritable who's who of top shelf left wing

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attorneys ready to defend him every step of the way.

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but because I think legal representation is good. The left

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is very good about defending its people, whether they are

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terrorist sympathizers or terrorists. Like when everyone was being held

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at GIMO, every major left wing law firm went to

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bat and took their cases all the way to the

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Supreme Court defending people who had killed Americans and or

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who were involved in plots to kill Americans. And when

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j six protesters were rounded up, where the bleep was

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the conservative legal community. And I think it's going to

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come back and haunt them that they were so not

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there because people help people who help them and not

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having helped at the time of greatest need, when Democrats

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were just doing law fair against Trump, against entire Republican

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Party establishments in Georgia and other states, against the voters,

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they did nothing to help these people. And now they're like,

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but please make sure you vote for us so we

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can get our judges or other people in It was

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a really bad strategy on the part of the conservative

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legal establishment, and I'm kind of curious to see how

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that will play out. Sorry, that was a little bit

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of a no.

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Speaker 1: Could we also talk for a second about this ridiculous

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idea that Democrats are super and Chris Murphy, one of

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the leaders of the Mahmud Khalil Defense Front, care about

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free express political free expression. I mean that's a joke, right.

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They've spent years trying to censor political speech. They've spent

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years undermining the idea of neutrality and speech. They wanted

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to weaponize the government to shut people down constantly through

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pressuring big tech, working with big tech, etc. It's a joke.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about that when people were attacking Supreme

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Court justices houses or you know, going to their homes

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to protest them and their kids, and Joe Biden and

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Merrick Garland were like, there is nothing we can do.

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These are free speech protests, and it was like, you

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people hate free speech. You have organized large cabals of

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censorship organizations that all operate to suppress speech, and yet

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when it suits you, you say, oh, this is a

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free speech issue.

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Speaker 1: There are laws, aren't there that say you have to

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stay a certain distance away from judges not to intimidate

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them or something. I don't know what the law says,

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but abortion clinics you can't even be nearby, and as

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you know, and they're fine with that. I mean, they

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have such a loose, inconsistent defensive speech that you start

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to think that maybe the only think one side should

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have free speech.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because a lot of people get very angry when

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their cases don't grow the way that they want, and

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sometimes they take it out on judges. Or their spouses

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or their children. There are all sorts of laws and

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regulations like according to each state, and then also in

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the federal according to the federal government of not protesting

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judges with the intent of getting them to change their

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minds on a certain topic or to otherwise interfere.

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Speaker 1: And one last thing I wanted to talk about was

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immigration and everything you mentioned the yeah you have something

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to say, Okay, I was just going to say, sometimes

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you think the Democrats believe the only American ideal is immigration, right,

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that's all they talk about. They're quoting New Colossus poem

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from the Statue of Liberty and so on. But yet

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they're willing to just hand this sacred right, this citizenship

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that you you know, protect you and your natural rights

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to people who hate this country. It tells me they're

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not actually serious. In the same way they're not serious

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about voting. Voting in democracy the most sacred thing ever,

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but yet they don't even want you to have an

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ID when you do it. So it tells me they're

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not serious about these things.

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Speaker 2: So that's what I lit up, because you had previously

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made reference to allowing people in from countries where maybe

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their values don't align with ours, and I do think

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that is an issue that Americans are realizing is more

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important than they ever did before. That there are cultural differences,

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for instance, support for Hamas that could come into play

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based you know, different people should be screened for whether

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they support that terrorist or movement or other terrorist movements,

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and whether people who do support things like that, whether

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they are good matches for a country that really does

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have tolerance for different viewpoints built into it. Yeah, like

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it only works if it isn't just that, like anyone

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can come here. It's like, well, anyone could come here

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who adopts our approach and our constitution.

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Speaker 1: Like I mentioned my parents and thousands of others who

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came from Eastern Europe and communist countries. They did not

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want to import those ideas into this country. They were

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escaping those ideas in that I liberalism. So yeah, we

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can ask mak M Khalil when he's being interviewed, do

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you support Hamas and he can lie, he can say no,

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I don't support Hamas or anyone like that. That's why

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we have the green card process in the process of

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getting your citizenship. If you say that and then you're

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here putting up signs and saying that you believe telling

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the New York Times Times your organization telling the New

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York Times that they believe in resistance, armed resistance and

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global antifada. Then we sent you home. You remember, I'm

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sure you do. In January, a Isis inspired terrorist rammed

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his car into a New Orleans crowd and killed fifteen

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people that day. That day there was a giant protest

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in Times Square with people with huge signs that said

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globalize the Intifada, and one of the groups there was

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the Columbia Divest group, which this guy was a leader

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of the day fifteen Americans were killed. Is this really

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who we want here? I mean, I don't not me,

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I don't yeah, thank you. No.

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Speaker 2: So I mean I wish that I was disagreeing with

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you more, But I just I cannot be made to

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care that much about this particular case. I'm not saying

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that I wouldn't monitor restrictions on speech or other speech

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related activity, but I think that Columbia should have done

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a better job. The City of New York, the State

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of New York should have done a better job managing

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these things, and that had they done that, you wouldn't

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be seeing this, so they really only have themselves to

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plen I.

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Speaker 1: Am sympathetic to the argument that there is a slippery

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slope here that we have to be careful about, because, yeah,

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one day a Democrat is going to be present and

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they're going to start deporting people who say things they

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don't like. Perhaps I am not saying that that can't happen,

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but it's also a slippery slope to just let anyone

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come here who hates this country. We have to have

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some kind of immigration process where we're making this a

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better country, where we're bringing people here who like there's

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a big movement to say we should only bring people

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here who we need, who have degrees, who have money, whatever.

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I don't think so. I think we should be bringing

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people here who are going to make good Americans because

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a lot of people in the world don't have opportunities

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to succeed because they live in terrible places or is

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Donald Trump had a different name for those places. But

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that doesn't mean we just allow anyone to come here.

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We don't let them define, We don't let them tell

480
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us who's coming. We decide who's coming. And this is

481
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a perfect example of that.

482
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Speaker 2: Yes, people make it so much about economic growth, and

483
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they should care far more about cultural identity and the

484
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strength of the country going forward based on shared understanding

485
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of shared.

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Speaker 1: Values, because it's that culture that makes the economic part happen.

487
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It's the stability is.

488
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Speaker 2: Just because of that though. I mean, yes, wealth is important,

489
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but no, no, I'm not saying that I'm wealth that matter

490
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even more than financial wealth.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm not arguing about that. I'm saying that the

492
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culture that we have that doesn't think about money first,

493
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despite what people think, is what even allows you to

494
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take the risks to have a career that you know

495
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,839
you love, not just that makes you money, that allows

496
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you to make money if that's what you want to do.

497
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I mean, it's the culture that allows that.

498
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Speaker 2: We should move on. But I just want to have

499
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two more quick things that I was thinking of while

500
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you were talking. One is that the mayor of Washington,

501
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d c. Removed the Black Lives Matter paint on the

502
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street in front of the White House and the plaza

503
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that had been erected there to obstruct traffic, so that

504
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Black Lives Matter would be forever honored for what it

505
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is in our nation's capital. And she did this, or

506
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maybe it was a City Council. I don't know. They

507
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were not asked to do it. They just did it.

508
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And it's kind of like what we're talking about with

509
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border crossings or how New York didn't step up like

510
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they should. They're just worried they're going to lose home rule.

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So DC constitutionally is under the federal government and they're

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allowed to govern themselves, and they do a very bad

513
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job with it. So Congress is always thinking about taking

514
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it back, but they're just so terrified of that they

515
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were like, Okay, we'll just take down. We'll take this

516
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down right away. The other thing is that Chris Murphy,

517
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like so many members of Congress left and right, sadly

518
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,960
Republican and Democrat, has left his wife for a younger woman.

519
00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:09,759
And the younger woman that he's left his wife for

520
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is a censorship proponent who also runs actual propaganda news sites.

521
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I forget what they're called, but she runs like a

522
00:31:20,519 --> 00:31:24,640
series of propaganda news sites that are all about spreading propaganda,

523
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,079
like they pretend they do local news just so that

524
00:31:27,119 --> 00:31:29,759
they can spread Democrat propaganda. And he's with her. Now

525
00:31:29,799 --> 00:31:31,920
it's everyone's like, why are we seeing so much of

526
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,759
Chris Murphy? And it's because he's now with this Tara McGowan,

527
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,400
dark money operative lady who runs propaganda sites, and she's

528
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,799
made him her number one project.

529
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Speaker 1: Don't even get me started on that guy. I'm going

530
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to lose my bleep. I cannot handle that guy. He

531
00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:50,400
is such a fraud. But I want to take a

532
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step back. I suggest that DC renamed Black Lives Matters Plaza,

533
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,359
All Lives Matters Plaza, and just write all lives matter.

534
00:31:58,799 --> 00:32:01,599
But what makes makes me laugh is that you said

535
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that the denizens of DC can't govern themselves or govern

536
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themselves poorly. These are literally the people governing the whole country,

537
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and they cannot govern their own city. They do not

538
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deserve home rule. It should be taken away constitutionally. I

539
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:20,039
think this should be under Congress's purview and they should

540
00:32:20,039 --> 00:32:21,880
be making laws in d C. It's not supposed to

541
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,680
be a state, it's not supposed to be its own

542
00:32:23,759 --> 00:32:26,400
city in this way, and it was a big mistake

543
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:27,279
home rule, I.

544
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Speaker 2: Think at least yeah, I think they should just do

545
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what they did with the Virginia portion of Washington, d C,

546
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which is just hand the actual land back to the

547
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state or commonwealth that it came from and then let

548
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Maryland have whatever another congressional seat.

549
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Speaker 1: Yeah, keep it really, maybe just keep it super small

550
00:32:47,799 --> 00:32:54,240
right around where you know, from around the mall maybe. Yeah. Now,

551
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speaking of d C, there was a kind of a

552
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little bit of a kerfuffle or a little anger, I

553
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,920
would say, last week at Amy Coney Barrett who I

554
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,960
guess it was a five to four decision against the

555
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Trump administration that dealt with.

556
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Speaker 2: I can't there are more than one hundred cases, so

557
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,640
forgive me if I get some of this wrong. But

558
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:23,880
this particular situation dealt with two billion dollars in grant

559
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:28,119
funds that the Trump administration had put on hold, and

560
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,640
it was related to USAID funding, and some of the

561
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,799
people who are beneficiaries of this taxpayer largess filed a

562
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claim in the d C. Cir I think it was

563
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,160
d C Circuit Court, saying that they needed to be

564
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paid these moneies. And it's a legitimate case. You know,

565
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:51,920
when Congress appropriates funds, they're supposed to be paid by

566
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the executive branch. There's some leeway and how and when

567
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they do that, and usually such cases are actually handled

568
00:33:59,839 --> 00:34:02,839
in like the in a federal court of claims rather

569
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than the d C Circuit. The judge I think it

570
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was d C Circuit. Forgive me, I'm so sorry that

571
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I don't remember which circuit it was. It could have been.

572
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I'm like, in my mind, it's not the d C Circuit.

573
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,519
The judge who was not not d C Circuit. Sorry,

574
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,239
it was a district court. I don't remember which district court.

575
00:34:20,599 --> 00:34:23,079
The judge who was handling it, just like an individual

576
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:27,159
judge had been on the bench about two weeks and

577
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:32,199
is a crazy left winger, and he instituted some global

578
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:37,320
injunctions against the Trump administration right away that they were

579
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:42,000
appealing like he basically, I think, said that they had

580
00:34:42,039 --> 00:34:45,880
to continue operations, that there would be an injunction against

581
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a pause of the funding. And then he felt like

582
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they weren't following his ruling as much as he would

583
00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:55,480
have liked them to, and so he then said that

584
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they had to pay up everything in thirty six hours. Now,

585
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,119
many people had a problem with these temporary restraining orders

586
00:35:04,159 --> 00:35:07,280
because they were so much more than what should be

587
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,840
done by a district court judge. And the Trump team

588
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,880
immediately appealed this to the Supreme Court. And so I

589
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think a lot of people thought that the thing to

590
00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:19,280
do when a judge is kind of out of control

591
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,760
is just to put a pause on everything while the

592
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case gets worked. You know, it'll he'll make a ruling

593
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at the district court level and then it will be

594
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reviewed by wherever his circuit is, and then it will

595
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go up to the Supreme Court. It was like a

596
00:35:31,559 --> 00:35:36,079
normal procedure, and instead the Supreme Court said, like in

597
00:35:36,119 --> 00:35:38,960
a five to four decision, with the four people who

598
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,800
didn't agree all putting their name to the dissent, so

599
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,599
you know who the five were, or you know, they

600
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said they had an order I should say that said no,

601
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:54,119
let this district judge run wild. Basically I'm leaving out

602
00:35:54,119 --> 00:35:57,239
a bunch. And technically they kind of chastised the judge

603
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a little bit or encouraged him to reign in. And

604
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it was just shocking to people, including Justice Alito who

605
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,920
wrote the dissent, because there were so many ways around

606
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,440
what they did, and what they did was not one

607
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:17,159
of them. So it was alarming to a lot of observers.

608
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And Amy Cony Barrett and Justice John Roberts were both

609
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part of that.

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Speaker 1: Right, so she got you know, there was a lot

611
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of anger directed to her online I saw comparing her

612
00:36:33,039 --> 00:36:38,239
to like Suitor or other judges that were nominated by

613
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:44,280
Republican presidents who went native. I guess you'd say, I

614
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:48,559
think it's incredibly premature to start talking that way. She

615
00:36:48,599 --> 00:36:52,840
has been great on a ton of huge cases, including

616
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:59,920
overturning Row affirmative action, gun rights, you know, pro gun right.

617
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The idea that a lot of people were spreading was

618
00:37:03,559 --> 00:37:09,800
that she's basically antagonistic toward Donald Trump engineer's decisions to

619
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,800
undermine him. I just I don't see that at all.

620
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And then I think CNN broke this story, and it was,

621
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you know that that she had arranged for someone to

622
00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:25,039
sing songs from the show Broadway Show Hamilton when Kaitanji

623
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:27,800
Brown Jackson first came in as a welcome party. And

624
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,000
who does that? You know, she's this was supposed to

625
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:36,280
tell me that she's a crypto, you know, leftist or something.

626
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:38,840
I just don't buy it. That just seems like a

627
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,239
normal thing that a nice person would do for someone

628
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:47,559
who's starting work, you know, who's going to be a colleague. Yeah.

629
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Speaker 2: The defense of Amy Cony Barrett on that last point

630
00:37:50,559 --> 00:37:54,119
is even stronger than what you say, because the Supreme

631
00:37:54,159 --> 00:37:59,760
Court has had has long had a tradition. Okay, let's

632
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,400
see and back it up a little bit. The Supreme

633
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,480
Court operates with seniority. The Chief Justice is always senior,

634
00:38:05,639 --> 00:38:07,719
whether he got there yesterday or he's been there for

635
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,679
twenty five years. Other than that, it goes by length

636
00:38:10,679 --> 00:38:14,159
of time at the Supreme Court. So the junior Justice

637
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,800
goes through a little bit of hazing in different ways,

638
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,920
Like they have to serve on the cafeteria committee, and

639
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,239
they have to go to monthly meetings to see how

640
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,719
the cafeteria operations are being run. There's a cafeteria in

641
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,000
the Supreme Court that feeds the justices, their clerks, the

642
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,119
permanent staff, and visitors, and so it needs to be

643
00:38:34,199 --> 00:38:37,679
run well. And the junior Justice, i think, chairs that committee.

644
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,400
And when they're in conference, which means when it's just

645
00:38:40,559 --> 00:38:45,559
the justices and they're discussing things alone inside the inner sanctum,

646
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,360
if someone knocks on the door because someone lost their

647
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,280
glasses or you know, someone needs a filing somewhere, someone

648
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,280
knocks on the door, the junior justice is the only

649
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,920
person who can get the door. The junior Justice speaks last.

650
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I mean, there are all sorts of weird traditions associated

651
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,079
with being the junior justice. Now, when a new junior

652
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:12,880
justice comes, the previous junior justice always throws a party.

653
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They organized the party. It's a dinner, dinner and entertainment.

654
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Speaker 1: And so.

655
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Speaker 2: I can't remember what they all were like. When Justice

656
00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:26,480
Kavanaugh came on the court, Justice Gorsich threw him at dinner,

657
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:31,599
and the entertainment was that the racing presidents, the Washington

658
00:39:31,679 --> 00:39:35,880
Nationals have this thing, racing presidents who come out and

659
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,199
compete with each other, and they showed up at the

660
00:39:38,199 --> 00:39:40,840
court and they did a race down the hallway of

661
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,559
the Supreme Court. So that's like an example. Or when

662
00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:50,079
Justice Alito came on the court, Justice Brier had the

663
00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:53,519
Phillies fanatic. Why are these all baseball? I don't know,

664
00:39:53,639 --> 00:39:56,480
but the Phillies fanatic burst into the room and started

665
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,760
like hugging Clarence Thomas and Justice Alito. And it was

666
00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:05,480
because Justice Alito loves the Philadelphia Phillies. It's not that

667
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:10,159
Justice Bryer loved Justice Alito. You can read his memoir

668
00:40:10,159 --> 00:40:12,079
and he doesn't really say much about him, but he

669
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,480
followed this tradition. And so when Amy Coney Barrett was

670
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put on the court in twenty twenty. She was the

671
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,119
junior Justice for a few years, and when Katanji Brown

672
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,679
Jackson came on in twenty twenty three, she throws a

673
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,679
party and it involves Hamilton, not because Amy Coney Barrett

674
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,960
loves Katanji Brown Jackson, although she might, or because she

675
00:40:34,039 --> 00:40:38,320
loves Hamilton. It's because Kaitanji Brown Jackson loves show tunes.

676
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We know this that she just appeared on a Broadway stage,

677
00:40:42,199 --> 00:40:44,159
which was a lifelong dream of hers, and so it

678
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:48,159
was very specific. Oh yeah, when Kavanaugh hosted the dinner

679
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:52,000
for Amy Coney Barrett because she's from Louisiana, I think

680
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,239
they had Cajun food and they had like a Marty

681
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:59,239
Groth type theme. I think so my point just being

682
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the idea that you would attack Amy Cony Barrett for

683
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,119
participating in the same process that everybody else does is ludicrous.

684
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,159
Or Another ludicrous thing that you saw was that people

685
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were trying to say that she glared at Trump at

686
00:41:14,119 --> 00:41:16,960
the State of the Union. I don't think that's accurate.

687
00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:18,199
Can I say a little bit on that?

688
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to be Yeah, no, I saw that video.

689
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,679
I don't think that's accurate at all, but gone, yeah.

690
00:41:22,679 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 2: I mean, if you met her, she's kind of a

691
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:29,400
reserved person. All the many of the justices at least

692
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,000
attempt to have some type of judicial temperament in their interactions,

693
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and going to the State of the Union is a

694
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,719
thankless awful gig. You might have noticed there were only

695
00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:42,320
four justices there, well five if you count Anthony Kennedy

696
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:48,400
coming back to reclaim some former glory that knew, did they?

697
00:41:48,599 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: I think they all used to show up, right? Is

698
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,639
it new that they're not showing up anymore? Am I wrong?

699
00:41:53,079 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 2: You're wrong? It's not true that they all used to

700
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,079
show up. Many justices have always had a problem with it,

701
00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:02,199
and I'm talking about justices who are long dead now.

702
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:09,519
Interestingly enough, Justice Alito was confirmed the day of the

703
00:42:09,559 --> 00:42:12,079
State of the Union, so he went to his first

704
00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:14,239
State of the Union in two thousand and six and

705
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:21,599
sat there. But it was during Obama's presidency that Obama

706
00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:23,519
gave a State of the Union address where he lied

707
00:42:23,559 --> 00:42:26,159
about the Supreme Court. He said that they had he

708
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:30,400
mischaracterized the results of the Citizens United decision, and I

709
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,440
mean nobody disagrees with that. Linda Greenhouse who's a communist,

710
00:42:33,679 --> 00:42:38,559
agreed that Obama mischaracterized what he was talking about.

711
00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:42,119
Speaker 1: It was also unprecedented to attack justices who are sitting

712
00:42:42,119 --> 00:42:43,679
wear in front of you during the State of the Union.

713
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Speaker 2: But yeah, so already a lot of justices just didn't

714
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,519
like it, Like, you know, they'll say, what are you

715
00:42:48,559 --> 00:42:52,400
supposed to do? He you know, the president praises America,

716
00:42:52,519 --> 00:42:55,239
you clap, then he attacks the opposing party, and you

717
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,360
sit on your hands like you'd sort of it. Just

718
00:42:57,519 --> 00:42:59,639
it's just not a very fun experience to know what

719
00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:01,599
you should should support and what you shouldn't and then

720
00:43:01,639 --> 00:43:04,239
if you just sit there solemnly the whole time, everyone

721
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,320
thinks you're a stick on a log, bump on a log.

722
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:11,360
But when Obama did that, Alito says, he mouths the

723
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,800
words that's not true or simply not true, something like that.

724
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,719
And of course the cameras are all on the justices

725
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,320
because they know that Obama is talking about them, and

726
00:43:21,679 --> 00:43:23,519
people thought that was rude. I think that was the

727
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:26,079
last time Alito went to a State of the Union.

728
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,079
But Clarence Thomas doesn't go, and it's not a partisan thing.

729
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,159
Plenty of Democrat nominated justices don't go, you know, obviously

730
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:37,480
didn't go last night or that night. And so I

731
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,559
think it's a difficult thing when the president comes up

732
00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:41,199
to shake your hand, like what are you supposed to do?

733
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,840
Are you supposed to be really like effusive? And then

734
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,920
you rule against him the next day and it looks

735
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,599
like you're a phony? Or do you just try to

736
00:43:48,599 --> 00:43:50,800
be reserved, which is I think what Amy was doing.

737
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,159
Justice Barrett was doing, And I think it's there's so

738
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,000
much to criticize her about her decisions that I think

739
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:02,239
it's foolish to criticize on the stuff like that.

740
00:44:02,599 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean if a justice is like hey, buddy,

741
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,639
you know, and hugs the president, I mean, you don't

742
00:44:07,679 --> 00:44:10,239
want that. This is their separation of powers, you know,

743
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,039
it's it's it's ridiculous for them to appear to be

744
00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:15,719
buddies and best friends, don't you think.

745
00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:18,519
Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like a Justice Scalia would

746
00:44:18,519 --> 00:44:21,400
have been able to be jovial with everybody.

747
00:44:21,519 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, with everybody.

748
00:44:22,559 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, make his decisions the way he wanted to.

749
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,599
So I don't have a problem, but I just I

750
00:44:27,639 --> 00:44:32,440
do want to say, though there is simmering discontent with

751
00:44:32,519 --> 00:44:35,599
Amy Coney Barrett for good reasons, and I think that

752
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:41,320
people are allowed to notice that. For instance, on that

753
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,519
decision to let the District Court judge run wild, what

754
00:44:45,559 --> 00:44:50,079
did Alito write? He was stunned, I mean, and for

755
00:44:50,639 --> 00:44:53,079
justices signed on to that statement that they were stunned

756
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:57,320
because it was so weirdly inappropriate and there were so

757
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,119
many other things they could have done that would have

758
00:44:59,159 --> 00:45:02,599
caused less dam image than the permanent immediate payout of

759
00:45:02,599 --> 00:45:06,280
two billion dollars in a case that's not even really

760
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,320
begun to be litigated. Or I think a good example

761
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:15,559
that explains or so I'm, you know, writing this book

762
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,519
on the court. I've spoken with many people, and these

763
00:45:18,519 --> 00:45:23,599
are people who generally like her, but they are frustrated

764
00:45:24,639 --> 00:45:28,159
with how she's handling the position she's in in terms

765
00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:30,840
of her understanding of what needs to be done and

766
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,159
how quickly it needs to be done. So I want

767
00:45:33,199 --> 00:45:36,639
to give an example of this. Are you familiar with

768
00:45:36,679 --> 00:45:40,840
Employment Division B Smith, the nineteen ninety case authored by

769
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,960
Justice Scalia.

770
00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:46,519
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. Yeah, I don't know that

771
00:45:46,599 --> 00:45:47,559
nineteen ninety case.

772
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 2: Well, it's one of the most famous decisions in part

773
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,480
because it's like controversial it's not Rovy Wade level controversial.

774
00:45:54,199 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 1: But perhaps once you tell me what it was about.

775
00:45:56,599 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 2: People who love Scalia widely consider it his worst decision,

776
00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:03,840
and that pretty much from the moment it was signed,

777
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,880
people have been looking to overturn it. So the way

778
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,719
that religious liberty cases have been handled over time has

779
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,800
changed a bit. In the Supreme Court, I mean, first off,

780
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,320
Bill of Rights never used to be understood to apply

781
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,480
to the States. Then after the Fourteenth Amendment is passed

782
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,840
quite slowly, case by case, it starts getting applied to

783
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,639
the states. And when it gets applied to the States,

784
00:46:26,039 --> 00:46:29,199
there were different standards that they used to judge something,

785
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,440
and that has kind of changed over time as well.

786
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,239
Do people who are making a religious liberty claim have

787
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,599
an advantage with that claim, or, as it said in

788
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:41,880
Employment Division v. Smith, if there's a generally held law

789
00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:45,159
that doesn't have a religious exemption, that is not seen

790
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:49,239
as necessarily a violation of religious liberty. So it gave

791
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:55,239
a huge advantage against religious liberty claims, and people were

792
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,039
so outraged by it that on left and right they

793
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:01,039
disagreed with it. Within a few years, they passed the

794
00:47:01,079 --> 00:47:04,599
Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which was authored by Chuck Schumer,

795
00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:10,239
signed by Bill Clinton, got nearly unanimous support in both chambers,

796
00:47:10,519 --> 00:47:13,519
which said which sort of restored this privilege that was

797
00:47:13,559 --> 00:47:19,280
given to religious liberty issues. Still, though, this has been

798
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,960
a contentious issue that keeps on bubbling up in the court,

799
00:47:23,159 --> 00:47:27,440
and people have been trying to overturn Employment Division v.

800
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:32,039
Smith since nineteen ninety so for thirty five years. A

801
00:47:32,119 --> 00:47:35,159
couple of years ago, the Court gets a case called

802
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,079
Fulton versus the City of Philadelphia, which is about a

803
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:42,760
general law that Philadelphia said that if you don't place

804
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:47,119
children in gay homes, then you can't participate in the

805
00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:50,559
foster care process. And the Roman Catholic Charities said that

806
00:47:50,559 --> 00:47:53,760
that was a violation of their religious liberty. So the

807
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:58,880
court ends up holding in favor of the Roman Catholic Charities,

808
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:03,440
but they don't do it. They don't overturn Employment Division v. Smith,

809
00:48:03,559 --> 00:48:06,400
even though they were asked to look at it, and

810
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,639
they should have had five votes to do so. And

811
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,000
Amy Cony Barrett was one of the people who didn't

812
00:48:13,199 --> 00:48:16,280
vote to overturn Employment Division v. Smith, and she's like, well,

813
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:17,880
I just don't know how that would work out, and

814
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,880
we can leave that for another day. And I think

815
00:48:21,039 --> 00:48:25,719
that's a great example of her and the frustration that

816
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,239
people have with her, that she's reluctant to have the

817
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:33,360
best court in the history of the United States actually

818
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:38,119
do things. And I understand she's a young lady. She

819
00:48:38,599 --> 00:48:40,960
might be there for decades, and so she might think

820
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,039
she has all the time in the world, whereas these

821
00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:47,440
like old guys Thomas and Alito have been building the

822
00:48:47,519 --> 00:48:50,679
case for doing some of this stuff for decades and

823
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,719
they know that time is mysterious and they either of

824
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,039
them could die or you know, whatever could happen, and

825
00:48:57,079 --> 00:48:59,199
that the Court could fundament that there could be a

826
00:48:59,199 --> 00:49:03,199
major change the composition of the Court. And so you're

827
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,119
seeing that bubble up, that frustration with her, just like

828
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,599
no one can really name a case that she authored

829
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,840
that's super impressive, and she's only been there for a

830
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,440
few years, and that's fine, but there are so many

831
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,320
examples of her being a little more reluctant than the

832
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:20,360
other justices to do things that should be done, and

833
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,159
she was prompt I think the problem is, like John

834
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,280
Roberts was on the wrong side of this decision too,

835
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,480
write but everyone has known since the first Obamacare case,

836
00:49:28,599 --> 00:49:32,119
these kind of not to be trusted and will come

837
00:49:32,159 --> 00:49:34,480
up with weird ways to come to the wrong decision,

838
00:49:35,519 --> 00:49:38,840
whereas with Amy Cony Barrett, we were promised the best

839
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,119
justice in the history of the world, and so I

840
00:49:41,159 --> 00:49:44,000
think people over promised what she would be and so

841
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:46,719
the disappointment is greater. Does that make sense.

842
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not saying she's perfect, though I reading about

843
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,480
this last case and others, sometimes I'm suspect of you know,

844
00:49:54,519 --> 00:49:57,400
I don't understand what she's going for, though I've read,

845
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,920
you know that people who defend her talk about how

846
00:50:00,519 --> 00:50:05,679
she is very skeptical, for instance, of emergency dockets. She's

847
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,760
she doesn't like to rule on big cases unless there

848
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,880
is a really clear understanding of how it's going to

849
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:16,360
affect other laws. It's not like anarchy, it's not partisan,

850
00:50:16,559 --> 00:50:19,360
it's just a philosophy. Maybe Do you agree?

851
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 2: I totally agree. I mean, I think that she has

852
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:27,960
not done well, okay, except when her right up of

853
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,679
some of these censorship cases where she actually got some

854
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:34,440
of the facts wrong about censorship, but again was reluctant

855
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:38,360
to have the court do anything to protect speech. She's

856
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:43,119
like reluctance can be phrased as judicial restraint. Or it

857
00:50:43,159 --> 00:50:47,480
can be something worse. And I think every single one

858
00:50:47,519 --> 00:50:51,320
of her things is somewhat defensible, Like a declining to

859
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:55,519
overturn Employment Division v. Smith in nineteen ninety two is

860
00:50:55,559 --> 00:50:58,760
a little different than in twenty twenty two or whatever

861
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,880
that was twenty twenty four. I'm losing track of time.

862
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:08,320
I think she's yeah, she's hesitant, and there is a

863
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:09,840
case for it. And the one thing I wish that

864
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:14,320
people would I mean, I'm going to naturally defer to

865
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,519
Alito and Thomas. I think they've kind of built up

866
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:20,320
their credibility and done it under difficult circumstances. So when

867
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:25,000
they say this is frustrating, you know, or they're shocked

868
00:51:25,559 --> 00:51:29,159
stunned by some of her decisions, I think that means something.

869
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,960
But I also wish people would think, even on the

870
00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:37,280
issue of Chief Justice John Roberts, he is certainly not

871
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,920
as good of a Chief Justice as William Rehnquist was.

872
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:44,199
Fine many there have been many not great chief Justices.

873
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,559
If you look at it a different way, he's the

874
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,760
new swing vote on the court right, and sometimes he

875
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,679
can drag Kavanaugh or bear it with him. Wouldn't you

876
00:51:53,760 --> 00:52:00,440
rather have a John Roberts as the swing vote than like,

877
00:52:00,519 --> 00:52:04,480
he's still pretty good. He's always voting in the majority.

878
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,159
That's that's that's how you know he's the swing vote

879
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:08,480
still much more.

880
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 1: I worry about him because he tries he is in

881
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,840
the majority quite often. But maybe he's tempering those decisions

882
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,159
in a way that they shouldn't be tempered, you know

883
00:52:16,159 --> 00:52:19,559
what I mean, that's all he's doing. Yeah, so I'm

884
00:52:19,559 --> 00:52:23,119
not sure how great that. It's definitely better than having

885
00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:26,920
Mary Garland as Chief Justice or whatever, right so, where

886
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,320
they just grab philosophies out of the ether and make

887
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:31,760
them part of the constitution.

888
00:52:32,199 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 2: We just remember Amy Coney Barrett replaced Ruth Bader Rosburg.

889
00:52:38,119 --> 00:52:41,400
They're both actually really good on statutory interpretation there. I've

890
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:46,079
said something nice about Ruth Bader Ginsburg. I think it's

891
00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:48,760
through no fault of her own that she was not influential,

892
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,880
meaning she served on the court at the same time

893
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,840
as Anthony Kennedy. Your influence depends completely on who else

894
00:52:55,920 --> 00:53:00,119
is there. And so because Kennedy was the middle just

895
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:05,000
at that time, he has this outsize importance and kind

896
00:53:05,039 --> 00:53:08,239
of undeservedly right, he doesn't he writes all these like

897
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:09,760
this purple.

898
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 1: Prose Carna mc kennedy.

899
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:15,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, all of his decisions, they're a muddled mess, whether

900
00:53:15,079 --> 00:53:20,159
it's the Casey decision that re established abortion in a

901
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,239
way that made no sense, or a Bergafell, which is

902
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,599
just like a romantic description of his own thoughts as

903
00:53:27,599 --> 00:53:30,559
opposed to based in the law. Like if Ruth Bader

904
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:33,760
Ginsburg had written Obergefell, it would have actually had some

905
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:34,639
basis in law.

906
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: That's fair enough, you know. With Roberts, I mean we

907
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,719
know for a long time that he is shy about

908
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,519
involving himself in democratic decisions. I'd say, right, he just

909
00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:50,800
doesn't think. He just restrains the court from being activists

910
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,679
in a way, right, And I don't always agree with it,

911
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,880
because I think the Court's job is to pull the constitution,

912
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,159
not worry about that sort of thing. But he is

913
00:53:58,199 --> 00:53:59,320
worried about that sort of thing.

914
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 2: I think the chief Justice has special needs there. He does.

915
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,679
You know, every chief justice sort of cares about the institution.

916
00:54:07,159 --> 00:54:10,800
You see Ranquist even tone it down after he becomes

917
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,480
chief Justice. Like he used to be the loan dissenter,

918
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,119
the lone wolf who would be out there explaining why

919
00:54:16,119 --> 00:54:17,519
the court was full of it. And then when he

920
00:54:17,559 --> 00:54:24,400
becomes Chief Justice, his tone changes, but his rulings didn't.

921
00:54:24,519 --> 00:54:27,199
And I think the problem with Roberts is he claims

922
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,760
to not want to He claims he wants to be

923
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:34,400
deferential to the legislative process. He's not. Like the Obamacare

924
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:38,119
rulings were about him being like a personal legislature of

925
00:54:38,199 --> 00:54:42,239
one redrafting a law to make it constitutional. That's not

926
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,960
deference to Congress. That's usurping its role. And then the

927
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:50,639
other thing is when you place institutional concerns a head

928
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:56,199
of the law, you actually don't. Again, if you show

929
00:54:56,199 --> 00:54:59,000
that you're willing to be bullied by public pressure and

930
00:54:59,039 --> 00:55:02,079
you are not letting the not letting the law just

931
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,840
work its way, you make the Court more susceptible to attack.

932
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:07,760
And I think some of these attacks we saw on

933
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:11,119
the court after the Dobbs decision, there is kind of

934
00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:14,639
a straight line between succumbing to the pressure Obama put

935
00:55:14,679 --> 00:55:17,280
him under with the first Obamacare decision, you know, and

936
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,880
to remind everyone, he changed his vote on the Obamacare decision,

937
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,039
and a lot of people think it was in response

938
00:55:23,119 --> 00:55:26,000
to a massive public pressure campaign.

939
00:55:26,199 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: Did you know I was in the court that day? No? Yeah,

940
00:55:29,519 --> 00:55:33,480
I was in the court working at human events when

941
00:55:33,519 --> 00:55:36,519
it was not what it is now covering it and

942
00:55:36,599 --> 00:55:39,760
I was so happy when he started talking, and then

943
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:41,400
all of a sudden it took a u turn and

944
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:42,880
I was like, this is the worst.

945
00:55:44,159 --> 00:55:46,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, it must have been very confusing. Yeah, it starts

946
00:55:46,599 --> 00:55:49,199
off great, right like it for the first time ever,

947
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:53,880
establishes that Congress can't force people's participations. I can't force

948
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:57,679
people's participation in an area of commerce. So you're thinking, well,

949
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:58,920
Obamacare is over.

950
00:55:59,199 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: And then he's like, but if.

951
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 2: You rewrite the law, then we can preserve it.

952
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Speaker 1: I have to say, you've always you know, you've always

953
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been interested in the court and known a lot about

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the court, and you wrote a book about the court

955
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and it was fantastic. But now your knowledge is like

956
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up here like you are, You're an expert. The way

957
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you're speaking, I'm very impressed. Sorry, sorry, you like the

958
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nineteen nineteen decision Jackson v. No.

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Speaker 2: But okay, so I do love the court. Like you said,

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you're not a constitutional scholar, but you're interested in it.

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That's how I would describe myself as well. And it

962
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is so fun to write about it because sometimes you're

963
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interviewing these really high profile, people like deans of law schools,

964
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and they'll use some legal jargon and you don't know

965
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:44,800
what they're talking about, and you get to just say,

966
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I'm sorry, I don't know what you're talking about. And

967
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then they're like giving you a personalized tour through case law.

968
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It's like going to law school without having to incur

969
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the debt. It's so awesome.

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Speaker 1: Are we done with that? You think?

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Speaker 2: Sure?

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that your lesson will be appreciated by many

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people listening. I was interested last topic before culture or

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just touch on it. Did you? I know you did

975
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because we spoke about it. But Ruth Marcus, who was

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a longtime columnist and reporter before that at the Washington Post,

977
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resigned because the op ed editor, the new op ed editor,

978
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I'm not sure, would not run her column, which basically

979
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was critical of the newspaper for UH owner Jeff Bezos's

980
00:57:36,119 --> 00:57:41,800
UH dick tod that that the paper defend free markets

981
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and individual freedoms, which offends lots of people for some reason.

982
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And she quit. What'd you make of that?

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Speaker 2: I don't understand when people think that they can write

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pieces against the person who employs them and that it

985
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won't be a problem.

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Speaker 1: But aren't you. Aren't you the least bit impressed that

987
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she walked away, that she took a stand.

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Speaker 2: I am unable to be impressed by anything related to

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Ruth Marcus, and I'm so sorry, but she lost me

990
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,960
forever when she said that she would have killed any

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of her children if they had down syndrome. It's just

992
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,000
hard to listen to someone like that about anything, or

993
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view anything they're doing as ethical when they have openly,

994
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proudly said they would kill a child if the child

995
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weren't perfect according to their perverted understanding of what perfection is.

996
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Speaker 1: I have to say this, I am. I read her

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column that was killed. It ran in the New Yorker magazine,

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along with a piece by her explaining herself, and I

999
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thought the column should have run. I am a big

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fan of free markets and personal freedoms. I think it's

1001
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,679
a weakly argued column. It could have sparked a debate

1002
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on the editorial page, and it could have even allowed

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Jeff Bezos to come and write and defend his position.

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I get why someone wouldn't want to put up put

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up a piece criticizing their boss, but it wasn't very

1006
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barbed or anything. You know, it seemed fine to me.

1007
00:59:21,239 --> 00:59:25,039
But anyway, your husband Mark had tweeted out something I

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thought was quite interesting. He noted that since Trump won

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the election, Ruth Marcus, Jim Acosta, Nora O'Donnell, Chuck Todd,

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00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:40,440
Andrew Mitchell, Joy Reid, Jonathan ka part Lester Holt were

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00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:46,039
all gone from their perched, you know, their purchase in

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00:59:46,159 --> 00:59:48,599
big media. I'm not sure if you mentioned another one.

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I just thought it was Paul Krugman, who left The

1014
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:53,960
New York Times because it wasn't left wing enough for him.

1015
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He doesn't like to be edited, apparently. I read his

1016
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piece on why he left. Welcome to journalism. But why

1017
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:04,360
do you think all that happened? Why do you think

1018
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,480
all these people have gone? Is it an economic reason

1019
01:00:07,639 --> 01:00:12,280
that these outlets are like, you know, we need better journalists,

1020
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or what's driving it?

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01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,119
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, it is good that some

1022
01:00:17,159 --> 01:00:20,559
of these people are gone. Like Chuck Todd was materially

1023
01:00:20,679 --> 01:00:23,960
bad at what he did, and he was unethical and

1024
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:27,440
a big promoter of the Russia collusion hoax and a

1025
01:00:27,519 --> 01:00:30,719
daily promoter of that conspiracy theory and was allowed to

1026
01:00:30,719 --> 01:00:32,679
stay on air. So it's good that he's gone, But

1027
01:00:32,719 --> 01:00:35,360
I haven't really seen a material improvement from any of

1028
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,800
these or it seems like the level of change that's

1029
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,360
happening in a lot of these newspapers just isn't sufficient

1030
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:46,159
to what's needed. And I wonder if it isn't just

1031
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:51,760
that both owners and participants employees at these outlets are

1032
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:56,280
seeing the weakening of their power, and so it's not

1033
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,800
the worst thing in the world for these employees to leave,

1034
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:01,800
although and do they lose a voice when they leave?

1035
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:06,119
Like Chuck Todd is kind of like an unhinged Twitter

1036
01:01:06,239 --> 01:01:12,000
user ex poster, just saying some crazy stuff. You didn't

1037
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,800
realize that he was checking himself, and he gets very

1038
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,679
little engagement, which I just find interesting. But I don't know.

1039
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:22,320
I also have to imagine that there was just a

1040
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:25,800
grind involved, like maybe Ruth Marcus is happy to retire

1041
01:01:26,119 --> 01:01:28,519
or you know, she's been doing this for a long time.

1042
01:01:29,719 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: Oh, same thing with Jim Acosta. I see him now,

1043
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:36,599
you know on he has some kind of YouTube show

1044
01:01:36,719 --> 01:01:39,800
or whatever where he's just completely unhinged, not very bright,

1045
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:42,159
though he was not exactly a bright guy. I think

1046
01:01:42,239 --> 01:01:46,280
someone like Paul Krugman is wrong and misleads people, but

1047
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:48,159
he's a you know, he's not a dumb man like

1048
01:01:48,239 --> 01:01:51,159
Jim Acosta. I don't think any of these people who

1049
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,280
left were particularly talented. Joy Read, for instance, I think

1050
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,280
is an insane person. I mean the thing. She's an

1051
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,440
a racist, you know, and just a terrible human being.

1052
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:02,840
But you're right, I've not seen an upgrade in the

1053
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:06,280
newer people they're hiring exactly. So I do wonder what's

1054
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:09,039
going on. Maybe maybe it takes a long time to

1055
01:02:09,079 --> 01:02:11,760
fix these things. I don't know, maybe it's an evolving situation.

1056
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 2: Do you want to I do want to thank Ruth

1057
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,559
Marcus for Something, which is the first book that I wrote,

1058
01:02:16,559 --> 01:02:20,159
which I co wrote with Carrie Savarino. I did because

1059
01:02:20,159 --> 01:02:24,599
of Ruth Marcus. So after the Brett Kavanaugh confirmation hearings,

1060
01:02:24,639 --> 01:02:28,440
which I'd covered extensively for The Federalist, she announced that

1061
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,599
she was going to do a book about him. And

1062
01:02:32,199 --> 01:02:34,960
it just seemed wrong that someone who had been a participant,

1063
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,239
you know, the Washington Post was kind of the purveyor

1064
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,440
of the of the Brett Kavanaugh hoax, and it seemed

1065
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,519
wrong that someone affiliated with that paper would be running

1066
01:02:43,599 --> 01:02:47,039
that would be writing a book about it. It's kind

1067
01:02:47,039 --> 01:02:49,719
of like Jake Tapper writing a book about how the

1068
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:53,960
media covered up Joe Biden's dementia. You know, it's a confession,

1069
01:02:55,159 --> 01:02:57,320
but it's inappropriate to be making money off of it.

1070
01:02:57,719 --> 01:03:02,880
So I thought that the real story should be written accurately,

1071
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,119
and it was because I knew she was going to

1072
01:03:06,159 --> 01:03:09,599
write what she ended up writing, which I have right here,

1073
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,880
Ruth Marcus supreme ambition. And it ended up being like

1074
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,920
a long, actually pretty well written book, but it didn't

1075
01:03:16,079 --> 01:03:19,039
go anywhere or make any didn't have the sales that

1076
01:03:19,119 --> 01:03:19,719
our book did.

1077
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:24,519
Speaker 1: But anyway, so I followed Ruth mars Yeah, I followed

1078
01:03:24,639 --> 01:03:27,719
Ruth mark. I mean, I honestly give an earnest, good

1079
01:03:27,719 --> 01:03:30,440
faith effort in trying to understand the people, you know,

1080
01:03:30,719 --> 01:03:35,079
the oppositions, arguments, and it feels like there are few

1081
01:03:35,119 --> 01:03:37,480
and fewer people that I can read aren't just unhinged

1082
01:03:37,519 --> 01:03:41,400
on the left. And I think that mir that's mirrored

1083
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:45,320
in the Democratic Party itself, where they're out there defending

1084
01:03:45,559 --> 01:03:49,840
Mahmud Khalil and not Americans were taken hostage by how Mus.

1085
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,679
I mean, there's something demented about that. There's something demented

1086
01:03:52,679 --> 01:03:55,719
about people can't stand up for a kid with brain cancer,

1087
01:03:56,239 --> 01:04:01,440
but can stand up for a pro terrorist graduate student

1088
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:06,239
from Syria, you know what I mean, or wherever it's from, Algeria. Yep, Right,

1089
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:11,599
we're done with that. Let's talk about culture. I am

1090
01:04:11,679 --> 01:04:14,360
on a Gene Hackman kick, just so you know. So

1091
01:04:15,079 --> 01:04:18,039
I was when he passed away. I went to Amazon,

1092
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:22,400
a Prime or whatever it is, and the other streaming services.

1093
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,159
I'm looking for Gene Hackman movies. They were none on

1094
01:04:24,239 --> 01:04:28,159
But one day, like last week, Prime had all like

1095
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:32,760
every single Gene Hackman movie and I watched Hoosiers, which

1096
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:35,519
we spoke about last week. I watched it with my wife,

1097
01:04:35,559 --> 01:04:38,480
who didn't remember if she'd seen it or not. It's

1098
01:04:38,519 --> 01:04:41,880
such a such a great movie, such a great movie,

1099
01:04:42,679 --> 01:04:45,079
in a timeless movie. It takes place I think nineteen

1100
01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:50,960
fifty one maybe, just great great movie. Then I watched

1101
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:54,599
The Poseidon Adventure. Have you ever seen The Poseidon Adventure?

1102
01:04:54,639 --> 01:04:57,199
Speaker 2: Nineteen something in a long time. My mom used to

1103
01:04:57,199 --> 01:04:58,880
talk about it all the time. I think that movie

1104
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:00,119
really stuck with her.

1105
01:05:00,679 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 1: It stuck with me too. It scared me when I

1106
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:06,880
was a kid. It's about a boat capsizing, like a

1107
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:11,440
crew of what are called luxury cruisers or whatever cruise ship.

1108
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:13,760
It's funny. One thing about it is that the cruise

1109
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:16,679
ship looks so tiny compared to the ones they have now,

1110
01:05:16,719 --> 01:05:20,239
which are like twenty stories high or whatever. But it

1111
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:23,880
I believe maybe it wasn't the Poseidon Adventure, but the

1112
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:30,880
movie Airport, which kind of spark this slew of disaster

1113
01:05:31,039 --> 01:05:35,519
film which I was like, towering Inferno Airport. I think

1114
01:05:35,519 --> 01:05:37,760
they have like seventy one, seventy two, seventy five, seventy

1115
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:43,559
six earthquake, avalanche, meteor. But anyway, the Pside Adventure has

1116
01:05:44,039 --> 01:05:46,440
Gene Hackman, and what really cracked me up is that

1117
01:05:46,519 --> 01:05:49,760
he is They don't say which church he is a

1118
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:54,760
priest with exactly. I think it might be the Catholic Church,

1119
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:57,719
but he's a complete heretic. In the beginning, they have

1120
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,480
stripped his priesthood away. He's going to Africa and he's

1121
01:06:00,519 --> 01:06:03,239
like so no. Then I'm like, no, wonder this wave

1122
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:06,920
hit the boat like he's splaspheming against God. Yeah, so

1123
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:10,719
it was probably him. It has Shelley Winters in it,

1124
01:06:10,719 --> 01:06:13,880
who great and Ernest borgnine and Jack Albertson, who is

1125
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:18,119
the grandfather in Willie Wonka and it's just about these

1126
01:06:18,159 --> 01:06:19,960
people trying to get to the hull of the ship

1127
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,960
to escape. I'm sure most people know you know, we're older.

1128
01:06:23,079 --> 01:06:28,159
No spoiler, Yeah, no spoilers. So that was really fun.

1129
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,679
That was really fun to watch you.

1130
01:06:32,599 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 2: Nothing, Okay, I'm so sorry. My cousin came into town

1131
01:06:38,119 --> 01:06:42,039
from Texas and I asked her seven year old son

1132
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,440
what his favorite color was and he said red, white

1133
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:48,239
and blue like that. But I spent some time with

1134
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:51,559
them on Sunday. But other than that, it's just been.

1135
01:06:51,519 --> 01:06:54,679
Speaker 1: Work, work, work, So red white and blue. Got to

1136
01:06:54,719 --> 01:06:59,400
love that, all right. Just a reminder, if you'd like

1137
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:02,480
to email us give Molly some suggestions, you should watch

1138
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:06,239
one of your suggestions at radio at the Federalist dot com.

1139
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,599
You can also, if I may add a sign up

1140
01:07:09,599 --> 01:07:13,400
for my substock where I send out this podcast and

1141
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:17,599
other things that I'm doing. So it's great seeing you, Molly,

1142
01:07:17,679 --> 01:07:19,559
and we'll see the rest of you next week. Until then,

1143
01:07:19,639 --> 01:07:21,840
be lovers of freedom and anxious for the phrase.

1144
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,719
Speaker 2: It's got to be a morning off

1145
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:29,519
Speaker 1: If we can hold on