Speaker 1: And December three, twenty twenty four, allegedly according to that
Speaker 1: thing we call a calendar, This the O'Kelly effect. You
Speaker 1: listening there, if you're hearing us live, it's just after
Speaker 1: eight pm on a Teesday or a Tuesday, and all
Speaker 1: that good stuff. But you are more than likely hearing
Speaker 1: the podcast, because that's what most of you do. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I've got an interesting little recap regarding Lancer tonight. Who
Speaker 1: do I have, Well, two ends of the spectrum. I've
Speaker 1: got Ken Zedeker with us along with his wife Gabby Gabrielle, Well,
Speaker 1: let's see Gabrielle Glenn Zedeker, Okay, depending on how you
Speaker 1: got the emails and all that. Anyway, husband and wife
Speaker 1: over there, plus Larry Hancock. So what do we have?
Speaker 1: The people running Lancer on the ground and the MC
Speaker 1: me and Larry who was well attending to people online
Speaker 1: running the Facebook group. I think a few other things
Speaker 1: were going on there. Oh and he did a remote
Speaker 1: presentation as well. So kind of get all ends of
Speaker 1: the spectrum here regarding Lancer, And you guys don't have
Speaker 1: to hear too much from me because I already talked
Speaker 1: about my own personal experiences there and of course, bringing
Speaker 1: missus oh and Frankie along and all that good stuff.
Speaker 1: It was an odd year. It was an odd sort
Speaker 1: of year, a little slower and lower than I thought
Speaker 1: it was going to be as far as attendance and
Speaker 1: all that, but interesting nonetheless. So let's get into this first.
Speaker 1: You know, Gabby, you haven't been on my show yet,
Speaker 1: have you live or no? Wait, you did one a
Speaker 1: long time ago, right.
Speaker 2: It's been a while.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's been a while, like three years ago. Maybe
Speaker 1: you did one when we were doing virtual conferences.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, that sounds about right.
Speaker 1: That sounds right, and Can of course called in on
Speaker 1: a Friday night show and then surprise, had Bob grodin
Speaker 1: with him. So Ken, yeah, it's not been as long
Speaker 1: for you since you've been on.
Speaker 3: But yeah, something been like a.
Speaker 1: Like a month right right before the conference. So and
Speaker 1: of course, Larry, how are you doing tonight?
Speaker 3: I'm doing fine. Winters kind of here and starting to do,
Speaker 3: you know, get through Thanksgiving into haven't got the Christmas
Speaker 3: decorations up. I hang in there with Thanksgiving as hard
Speaker 3: as I can.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, well Thanksgiving. Immediately following the conference, I was
Speaker 1: like so exhausted. Still the next week. It was sort
Speaker 1: of like, oh yeah, right, that's coming up too. I
Speaker 1: let Thanksgiving go this time. Pretty much. It was sort
Speaker 1: of like, you know, quiet thing, just the three of
Speaker 1: us sitting here, and what are you gonna do? You know?
Speaker 1: But anyway, Christmas is coming. We are into December. But
Speaker 1: an honest recap, Oh, Larry, what did you think going
Speaker 1: into the conference? And you know, how did it look online?
Speaker 1: I mean, give me some feedback about what you were seeing.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, one of the things. And Gabriella will
Speaker 3: say this as well. You know, we've all been we've
Speaker 3: all been talking, you know, since the fiftieth like, okay,
Speaker 3: would the fiftieth be the last conference? Is anybody going
Speaker 3: to be hanging in with this subject more than fifty years? Okay?
Speaker 3: And then we got the sixtieth, like oh wow, okay.
Speaker 3: So it really is an interesting question about expectations. How
Speaker 3: many people are really interested? How many people still want
Speaker 3: to come to Dallas? You know, how many? So it's
Speaker 3: it's a question mark much more than it was when
Speaker 3: I started with Debra, you know, thirty years ago, But
Speaker 3: interestingly enough that the interest has not dropped off nearly
Speaker 3: as fast as I thought it would. So I did
Speaker 3: have people contacting me about the conference and you know,
Speaker 3: who was speaking and that sort of thing, so I
Speaker 3: knew there were still some interest. But the biggest challenge
Speaker 3: I think, I think Gabriellen and Ken will say, what
Speaker 3: of our biggest challenges every year is is speakers? Who's
Speaker 3: doing what? You know? What do we have knew? What
Speaker 3: is going to interest people? You know? And you can
Speaker 3: check yourself what question you're going to ask is what
Speaker 3: is new? After sixty years at this has anybody got
Speaker 3: anything new? Because that's what people are going to want
Speaker 3: to hear. That's the first thing out of the bag.
Speaker 3: So I will say that that that combined with I
Speaker 3: was very pleased last year we've had a good showing
Speaker 3: of international people. I had thought, actually, if anything, the
Speaker 3: international interest might drop off more quickly, but we had
Speaker 3: people in the Facebook group from Belgium and Germany and
Speaker 3: New Zealand and you know, of course they have to
Speaker 3: wrestle with time zones, so there was still a good
Speaker 3: international interest. I'll be I'm curious whether you and Gabby
Speaker 3: saw that, you know, in the in person attendees. But
Speaker 3: for me, my question was, you know, are we going
Speaker 3: to be able to find something new. Uh, and are
Speaker 3: you know, are there still people wanting to come to Dallas?
Speaker 3: And I guess that's kind of a question for Gabby
Speaker 3: and Ken and you did you know, what do you
Speaker 3: see in terms of what did you see on the tour?
Speaker 3: I know you did a walking tour. I communicated with
Speaker 3: people online that very much wanted to get into a
Speaker 3: walking tour. Walking tour was still a major interest the
Speaker 3: people I talked with online.
Speaker 1: Right and Matt Matt Dallasit actually wound up getting something
Speaker 1: together and doing a tour of the tippets site and
Speaker 1: areas separate. I go over to the Knowoll and there
Speaker 1: was actually weirdness going on at the Knowll on Friday,
Speaker 1: and so the people that said they were going to
Speaker 1: meet up with me, not too many of them made it.
Speaker 1: And there was actually a disruption of the moment of silence,
Speaker 1: believe it or not. So I mean, there was a
Speaker 1: lot of different things going on in Dallas this time
Speaker 1: as far as international reach. I mean, I'm gonna turn
Speaker 1: to Gabby on this and Ken because they know better, like, say,
Speaker 1: what the international interest was online. I didn't really see
Speaker 1: it like we did last year in person. I think
Speaker 1: we had less of an international visitor situation. I think
Speaker 1: I noted a couple of people from Canada, but outside
Speaker 1: of that, I didn't see anybody from other countries this time.
Speaker 1: But I'm willing to bet that in the post, you know,
Speaker 1: post coronavirus age of the Zoom generation here, we definitely
Speaker 1: had a lot more online people than we thought we
Speaker 1: were going to have. But Gabby and Ken could tell
Speaker 1: us a lot more about that. So Gabby, what about
Speaker 1: that though? Did you see more international interest online or what.
Speaker 2: Online? We definitely did have a big international presence. We
Speaker 2: had a lot of viewers from Mike Larry said Belgium.
Speaker 3: We had a few from Scotland.
Speaker 2: Because we have a whole Daily Plaza UK group out there,
Speaker 2: and a lot of them came and viewed it virtually.
Speaker 2: Not as many joined the Facebook group. We had some
Speaker 2: people who in my email letting them know about the
Speaker 2: Facebook group, completely glanced over that fact. So they're slowly
Speaker 2: being added to the Facebook group still in asking questions
Speaker 2: and such. But last year we definitely I had a
Speaker 2: bigger international presence.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say there was a big Dealey
Speaker 1: Plaza UK contingent that actually showed up in Dallas last
Speaker 1: year on the tenth anniversaries, and we did notice some
Speaker 1: patterns this year too, which I want to ask both
Speaker 1: you and Ken about. We noticed some patterns, not just
Speaker 1: in the international but in the general sense, let's say,
Speaker 1: regarding things that happen in every ten years, there is
Speaker 1: a rise in interest, just like every twenty five years
Speaker 1: there is a rise in interest, even though we've only
Speaker 1: had two intervals. There, you can see it. The media
Speaker 1: reacts bigger this year. I don't know, the media didn't
Speaker 1: react so much big on the sixty first anniversary as
Speaker 1: it did on the sixtieth. But you know, what are
Speaker 1: your thoughts there regarding the patterns we saw. Maybe you
Speaker 1: could give some people some insight there.
Speaker 2: The round yere is like fifty five, sixty sixty five
Speaker 2: Round years are all definitely more attention grabbing. As with anything,
Speaker 2: it's always the round years anything, even like true crime related,
Speaker 2: it's the round years that all of a sudden, the
Speaker 2: media is like, hey, this is still happening, right, this
Speaker 2: is still.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 2: It still hasn't been solved, YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 1: Whether it's John Bay or JFK, it doesn't matter as
Speaker 1: long as there's a true crime aspect to it. It's
Speaker 1: the big anniversaries, right.
Speaker 2: Yet the big years they tend to be their best
Speaker 2: turnout wise, the most interest in all that, we still
Speaker 2: do get some interest during the like off years that
Speaker 2: they tend to not be as as popular as the round.
Speaker 1: Years, right, And we may be getting a little bit
Speaker 1: from the toddler peanut gallery there who was also present
Speaker 1: at the conference. I just want to say, that's Gabby's
Speaker 1: own private toddler peanut gallery. I just want to let
Speaker 1: people know that's what that noise was. It wasn't Ken,
Speaker 1: but Kenny and I discussed at the conference. Actually another
Speaker 1: pattern that we took note of, which doesn't necessarily go
Speaker 1: with the round anniversary pattern, but something that I think
Speaker 1: is relevant because everybody thought this election, right is the
Speaker 1: big this is so warped, this is so weird, this
Speaker 1: is so big, et cetera, et cetera. But it was
Speaker 1: an election year, and well, I don't want to spoil
Speaker 1: it entirely, Ken, but you took notice of something we
Speaker 1: talked about at the conference a few times as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it seems so every inflection year that's our lowest themes.
Speaker 4: So we noted that of pattern, but we're still trying
Speaker 4: to think of ways how to improve it.
Speaker 1: Right, And that's the presidential election cycle that we see
Speaker 1: in the US. It seems to cause I don't know,
Speaker 1: reluctance for people to maybe come out for one reason
Speaker 1: or another. Yeah, a lot of them.
Speaker 2: Is it's they don't want to spend money until they
Speaker 2: know how the election is going, because a lot of
Speaker 2: them do get fearful. And once they do know how
Speaker 2: the election is going, because the election happens two weeks
Speaker 2: before the conference, usually roughly two to three weeks, and
Speaker 2: by then the flights increase in price and it's just
Speaker 2: not feasible for people to come out in person. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but a lot of them did still attend virtually.
Speaker 1: But it's a weird tough thing because it's almost like
Speaker 1: you know, when people look at Christmas shopping season, right,
Speaker 1: and it changes people's purchasing habits apparently presidential. And by
Speaker 1: the way, I checked with a couple of other different
Speaker 1: kinds the conferences. I didn't tell you guys this yet.
Speaker 1: There was a financial conference that went on, a crypto
Speaker 1: conference that went on, and another like deep political sort
Speaker 1: of small little conference thing that went on around the
Speaker 1: same time, okay as the Lancer conference, and I was
Speaker 1: in contact with some of these people and finding out
Speaker 1: guess what, they experienced the same thing. So it's not
Speaker 1: a JFK exclusive effect, you know. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you guys were aware of.
Speaker 3: That, something I would have, sorry, Jabby, something I would
Speaker 3: chat time in with. Though, is a lot of the
Speaker 3: people that are interested in JFK, and we all know
Speaker 3: this there tend to be politically either politically active or
Speaker 3: politically interested. You know that that politics does have some
Speaker 3: things to do with JFK. Many many people's ideas to
Speaker 3: really kill President Kennedy have political ideas of who did it.
Speaker 3: Politics is entangled with it. And I think this year
Speaker 3: is something I felt myself and I saw on others.
Speaker 3: People with that kind of interest literally got burned out
Speaker 3: by the election. It's kind of like they were so
Speaker 3: emotionally involved in the election that when the election is over,
Speaker 3: oh conference, you know, I just I just need to rest,
Speaker 3: I need to chill, you know. I think that I
Speaker 3: think for the JFK folks that had something to do
Speaker 3: with it, with that investment kind of going into the
Speaker 3: going into the election rather than the conference, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know what's weird about that too, is that, again,
Speaker 1: it's not a left or right paradigm issue because in
Speaker 1: the thirty plus years that i've sort of you know,
Speaker 1: I was in the contact circle with Vince Silandry at
Speaker 1: one point, I was in the group in New York
Speaker 1: and New Jersey at one point. I've now you know,
Speaker 1: been around you guys. So I've mixed in with lots
Speaker 1: of different people that believe me, that's a dynamic group
Speaker 1: of individal jewels. Politically, I've seen it go from very
Speaker 1: very left wing sort of people all the way to
Speaker 1: individuals who you would count as right wing. No matter
Speaker 1: what time in our recent history. It is okay, So
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter the time period how those definitions have
Speaker 1: shifted left and right wing people, but politically active people
Speaker 1: are usually interested, doesn't matter left or right. Although we
Speaker 1: can see trends, and I think there's been more of
Speaker 1: a trend to the right wing lately or the libertarian
Speaker 1: wing as well lately, but that's happened before. And at
Speaker 1: one time you could almost say that everybody there was
Speaker 1: a lefty. I mean, it just seemed like that's the
Speaker 1: way it was, which is really weird. But I think
Speaker 1: you hit the nail on the head, Larry, that it's
Speaker 1: people that are politically conscious and you know, engaged in
Speaker 1: the American politics that are most concerned about this, and
Speaker 1: they do have political views on it. Obviously, some people
Speaker 1: think the right wing killed him. It's a communist conspiracy.
Speaker 1: It's uh, you know, it's a deep state thing. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's you know, deep politics, not deep state. Correct yourself,
Speaker 1: you know, apologies to Peter Dale, Scott, et cetera. And
Speaker 1: it's just about people that are politically focused, have ideas
Speaker 1: about this and are concerned with it, which makes sense
Speaker 1: because we are talking about the assassination of the president
Speaker 1: after all. So yeah, I think that's exactly right, Larry. So, Gabby,
Speaker 1: any other trends that you noticed for this particular conference
Speaker 1: or ken either one on the ground that we could
Speaker 1: share with Larry. At this point, the only.
Speaker 2: Other trend I could think of was we did have
Speaker 2: a lot more from Canada this year.
Speaker 5: It seems how Lambster exclusively is getting the younger.
Speaker 2: Also that he also notice that there were a lot
Speaker 2: more of the younger generation this year.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, we did pick up a few younger individuals
Speaker 1: that were presenters, and I think people were more interested
Speaker 1: and that's a good thing. I think we need to
Speaker 1: do a lot more to engage with younger people, because
Speaker 1: I still feel like we're still kind of behind regarding that.
Speaker 1: But I do see that Lancer made progress with engaging
Speaker 1: with younger people in their twenties and their teens, etc.
Speaker 1: And you know, like Alex is great. Alex Harrison mentioned
Speaker 1: him first, I mean the teenager that was there all
Speaker 1: weekend this time, but he presented again this year, did
Speaker 1: a great job with the sync up thing, which by
Speaker 1: the way, Larry, were you able to watch the conference
Speaker 1: most of it or as it was happening or what?
Speaker 3: No, I wasn't because I was really on the Facebook group.
Speaker 3: I mean I did watch vins and pieces, and I
Speaker 3: did watch part of Alex and listen to Alex, but uh,
Speaker 3: when I'm when I'm on the Facebook page, it's hard
Speaker 3: for me to pick up and do the online stream
Speaker 3: at the same time. So that was difficult, but I did.
Speaker 3: I didn't listen to parts of them even actually I
Speaker 3: listened to most of them even if I didn't watch them.
Speaker 3: But uh, of course, I will say the one real
Speaker 3: challenge for the remote access which we you and I
Speaker 3: and Gabrielle, we all fight all the time, is you know,
Speaker 3: hearing the speaker versus seeing the video projection.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: Uh so.
Speaker 3: Sometimes I will say the remote viewers the one challenge
Speaker 3: for them, and part of it depends on what screen
Speaker 3: size they're using, and everything else is is getting as
Speaker 3: much of not so much the power points that are
Speaker 3: being projected, but the videos that are being projected. Uh
Speaker 3: those are hard to pick up sometimes that that requires
Speaker 3: even more contrast. But oh yeah, I did. I did
Speaker 3: listen to Alex. Hell Alex. I love another great thing
Speaker 3: about Alex which we miss with some of our older presenters,
Speaker 3: including me, probably as Alex has this great way of
Speaker 3: saying if he doesn't have an answer for a question,
Speaker 3: he says, so yeah, oh I really haven't studied that.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, got it? Where you know, some some people
Speaker 3: who have been around for decades, I feel it's incumbent
Speaker 3: to come up with some kind of an answer Alex doesn't, right.
Speaker 1: No, I appreciate that, and I think somebody mentioned there
Speaker 1: should be an award for that during the conference too,
Speaker 1: because you know, it was we had a couple of
Speaker 1: presenters that actually gave that honest answer. When they didn't
Speaker 1: know something, they said, look, I didn't study it, you know,
Speaker 1: so how do I know? And fair enough, we did
Speaker 1: have a couple of sound issues, but a lot less
Speaker 1: this year, Ken, wouldn't you say?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yes, definitely, I mean I know I was actively trying
Speaker 1: to make sure that things work, doubt. And also we
Speaker 1: do know for the future that we've got to come
Speaker 1: up with a slightly better way to handle the question
Speaker 1: and answer periods, because that became a little troublesome during
Speaker 1: the conference. No matter how many times I tried to
Speaker 1: tell people, I swear this by the way I was
Speaker 1: telling them, look, try to repeat part of the question
Speaker 1: or the question, or put the question in your answer,
Speaker 1: do something so that the people at home hear it.
Speaker 1: And some people got the message, some people didn't, So
Speaker 1: I know it was a little hit or miss. Yeah, good,
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: Even in the Facebook group, gayl Nicks Jackson had commented
Speaker 2: that people needed to realize that you and I were
Speaker 2: doing our best to remind the speakers that the speakers
Speaker 2: are just old and couldn't remember to do.
Speaker 1: Thanks Gail, Larry, see you're now in that and you
Speaker 1: know you're in that category. Now, Larry that if you
Speaker 1: were there, you would have been one of the old
Speaker 1: guys that forgot right.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, so I had to be very careful. It's kind
Speaker 3: of like I was presenting with David Boyle and who
Speaker 3: is there in press? In press, you know, in person.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like David, it's your responsibility to repeat
Speaker 3: the questions. Uh, you know, because I might not do this,
Speaker 3: but I will say it's difficult the presenters engage with
Speaker 3: the audience. You know, they're they're looking at the face
Speaker 3: they're seeing in a person they want to respond. So
Speaker 3: they're just kind of in a personal engagement with whoever
Speaker 3: asked the question, and they don't see the people online,
Speaker 3: you know. Uh, that's they just they're they're committed to
Speaker 3: the people they're talking to and they want to immediately
Speaker 3: give them an answer, you know, just okay, don't pause,
Speaker 3: just I need to I need to get back to
Speaker 3: this person. And so it is challenging for the speakers
Speaker 3: to remember there are people that are that they're not looking.
Speaker 1: At, you know, uh, in real time, you know, and look,
Speaker 1: it's not the easiest. And besides that, until you actually
Speaker 1: do something right, until we actually run the event, you're
Speaker 1: not going to learn a lot of these things, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It seemed to us that it
Speaker 1: would be easy to pick up on a lot of
Speaker 1: the conversations. But then again, somebody's in the way back
Speaker 1: of the room, and we had one particular questioner, let's say,
Speaker 1: that had very long preambles to their questions, and it
Speaker 1: was very difficult for that one to be heard on
Speaker 1: the microphone, you know, from a distance. And also I
Speaker 1: could see the difficulty with repeating that because if I
Speaker 1: was standing there and I had to listen to two
Speaker 1: minutes of her go on and then had to repeat it,
Speaker 1: I would have forgotten what I was answering. So you know,
Speaker 1: I understand that too. It's not the easiest thing to juggle.
Speaker 1: It's not natural conversation, you know, because, like you said,
Speaker 1: you're answering the question, you're engaging with that person right there,
Speaker 1: and you know, generally, what do you do when a
Speaker 1: camera's on you. It's best to forget the cameras on you,
Speaker 1: right so, you know, because it's seeing a guy in
Speaker 1: a movie staring at a camera. Yeah, kid, So.
Speaker 5: I do want to boote that we have now solved
Speaker 5: both of those issues that you bring up about.
Speaker 3: About hearing the audience's questions and the what is it?
Speaker 5: The the the power points. Next year we are planning
Speaker 5: on doing a split screen so the people who were
Speaker 5: watching from home can actually see the actual power point
Speaker 5: instead of a projection of it. And a sound person
Speaker 5: wants to like the audience that way. Bearing the MQ
Speaker 5: and A, the people at home, we can also hear.
Speaker 1: Right, and I think there's nothing wrong with it. We
Speaker 1: just get a mic, stand by the way and stand
Speaker 1: it up there.
Speaker 5: You know. Yeah, I said the exact same thing, but
Speaker 5: with how many people this year and last year, especially
Speaker 5: because I was up front glass gear holding the mic
Speaker 5: for questions and everybody just kept wanting to spout it
Speaker 5: instead of go up to the front.
Speaker 3: And it's like, well, I can't help.
Speaker 1: Well no, But then then it becomes my job to
Speaker 1: tell them, no, no, no, you got to come up here.
Speaker 1: You know, I'll cut them off on the mike and
Speaker 1: be louder than them and say, hey, come on up here.
Speaker 7: You got to do it that way.
Speaker 5: My You know what, our audio person, I'm recky, uh.
Speaker 5: He's willing to make up the audience so way. During
Speaker 5: the m Q and A, the people at home, can
Speaker 5: hear what the questions are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked about that, and he's what he would
Speaker 1: have to do is probably fade that out during most
Speaker 1: of the time, so you're not picking up background noise
Speaker 1: in the park and you know, to hit he'd have
Speaker 1: to only bring it up during the Q and A.
Speaker 1: The background mike would have to be something he'd have
Speaker 1: to remember, so another another entire responsibility to him. So
Speaker 1: that's what he wants. Okay, Yeah, each.
Speaker 6: Year we're growing better better it so, but as for
Speaker 6: the videos this year, I am currently working on embedding
Speaker 6: all the power point presentations.
Speaker 3: To the videos right so that everyone can see what
Speaker 3: was on.
Speaker 2: The power point. So that's why it's taking a bit
Speaker 2: longer to get all the videos up for the download
Speaker 2: portion right right, because I'm working on getting those power
Speaker 2: points into it right.
Speaker 3: And if people want to do every presentation, sorry.
Speaker 1: If people wanted to go ahead and even get the
Speaker 1: conference now as we speak, they could still go get it.
Speaker 1: But it's up there in three days worth of videos,
Speaker 1: like each day is up there as a single video,
Speaker 1: and what's going to eventually happen is you're going to
Speaker 1: break it down into presenters here and each one of
Speaker 1: the presenters will not only have their original video, but
Speaker 1: their actual power point will be up on the screen
Speaker 1: instead of it being shot through a camera to on screen.
Speaker 1: So that's what you're doing right now and looking forward
Speaker 1: to that, you know.
Speaker 2: And we already have some of them up now, okay,
Speaker 2: as the individual presentations with their power points in them
Speaker 2: and those who have given us their powerpoints. We have
Speaker 2: a few presenters who did not give us a copy
Speaker 2: of their powerpoints. So for those people, they're just you're
Speaker 2: just gonna have to.
Speaker 1: Watch the string, right, understandable. And Also I did the
Speaker 1: presentation with Gail. I don't know if we ever quite
Speaker 1: got to the whole of her video that her daughter did.
Speaker 1: I know we were trying to, and I don't know
Speaker 1: if we ever played the whole thing. But either way, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know you'll be working on that one soon. So
Speaker 1: that's a work in progress. So if you go to
Speaker 1: Assassinationconference dot com and you do decide to purchase the online,
Speaker 1: eventually they'll be there in individual sets and you'll be
Speaker 1: able to download them presenter by presenter. Probably. Also I
Speaker 1: noted that when I first came out, the first couple
Speaker 1: of minutes there had no sound, so hopefully that'll be
Speaker 1: a fixed too. I don't know if we got it
Speaker 1: or not correct, but there was a little bit yeah,
Speaker 1: like the whole thing I did at the beginning wasn't
Speaker 1: there and then swamp and started talking and there was
Speaker 1: no sound too. But anyway, look, it was the way
Speaker 1: it was when it was shot that way, but you
Speaker 1: guys are able to work with it afterwards so people
Speaker 1: can get the good files for download. So that's coming up, Larry.
Speaker 1: Did you take any other notes of things that were
Speaker 1: like kind of comments from people at home, like what
Speaker 1: they thought of anything in particular. Was there a standout
Speaker 1: presentation according to people?
Speaker 3: I think there were two that people especially and I
Speaker 3: think this is ingratulations to Gabriella and him for the sequencing.
Speaker 3: The two comments that I really were really positive comments
Speaker 3: about and that that book ended the conference were the
Speaker 3: opening presentation on JFK and Vietnam versus Cuba that that
Speaker 3: was one of the best political context presentation that I've
Speaker 3: ever seen at a conference. That was just an excellent
Speaker 3: exploration of the the you know which one was most
Speaker 3: influential on Kennedy at the time, which was most you know,
Speaker 3: what was really what was in really in play the
Speaker 3: year of the assassination, and Mike Swanson did just an
Speaker 3: excellent job presenting that and opening the conference on a
Speaker 3: very textual basis rather than diving into details about who
Speaker 3: shot from where, you know this or that evidence. Uh
Speaker 3: so that was a great opening. Everybody really thought that
Speaker 3: was online thought that was. And then Robert Groden's closing presentation. Uh,
Speaker 3: you know, I've seen Robert present before. I followed Robert
Speaker 3: for decades now, and you know, everybody not only did
Speaker 3: they enjoy comment on it, but I personally wanted to
Speaker 3: comment to him. It's sort of like, after having gotten
Speaker 3: all his books and listen to him for so long,
Speaker 3: I really kind of thought that I had heard everything
Speaker 3: that Robert had to say, and that I had heard
Speaker 3: everything there was to say about the Supruterer film. But
Speaker 3: his his presentation on this suprutor film was awesome, kind
Speaker 3: of an insider's view of the history of the Supruder
Speaker 3: film alteration not alteration. So that was again another great
Speaker 3: bookmark to close the conference. Those two really stood out
Speaker 3: for everybody. There were good comments about other presentations, but
Speaker 3: there were also questions, you know, like, what did these
Speaker 3: people In some cases they weren't sure where the speaker
Speaker 3: had gotten certain documents or information. They weren't sure if
Speaker 3: it was a you know, it's some of the newer
Speaker 3: folks are going this is this what everybody says about
Speaker 3: this subject?
Speaker 2: Are there other views?
Speaker 3: So there was dialogue like that, But the comments on
Speaker 3: the presentation that that really stood out were Swanson and
Speaker 3: Growden with the opening and closing right.
Speaker 1: Well, not just because I'm Mike's friend, but I mean,
Speaker 1: I gotta honestly say that was one of the best
Speaker 1: table setters for a conference you know, that I've seen
Speaker 1: in uh, probably since two thousand and three, and it's
Speaker 1: really it was. It was exactly the right place to start.
Speaker 1: I thought that bit of context that work comes up
Speaker 1: a lot between you and me, Larry it.
Speaker 3: Yes, it seems like that. It's one of my favorite words.
Speaker 1: It sure is, and you often provide it during my
Speaker 1: my podcast, so I appreciate that. But yeah, no, I
Speaker 1: thought that was a great way to open things. And uh,
Speaker 1: that's another thing that just comes to my mind, Gabby.
Speaker 1: Are we going to see the presentations from the banquet?
Speaker 3: Yes, I am.
Speaker 2: Working on editing those and getting those up the audio
Speaker 2: recorded separate from the video, so it's not matching up.
Speaker 2: So I'm working on in that matched up and to
Speaker 2: upload it to this site as well.
Speaker 1: Okay, because we did cover in memoriam during that part
Speaker 1: of the conference, and I think it's important, plus the
Speaker 1: awards and all that. I think all that's very important
Speaker 1: and I'd like people to see it for sure, and
Speaker 1: I think they should. We did have a minor miss though,
Speaker 1: because we did not realize that a week before, honestly,
Speaker 1: and the announcement came to my email late. If I
Speaker 1: had looked at the email over the weekend, I would
Speaker 1: have known it. But I think we were all so
Speaker 1: busy we didn't realize it. Don Thomas has presented at
Speaker 1: Lancer before and he you know, passed, so we didn't
Speaker 1: note him. Not because we missed him, but he's on
Speaker 1: the top of the list for next year's in Memoriam section, right, Kebby, Yes, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to make sure people knew that, because you know,
Speaker 1: it almost looks like did we ignore him. No, we
Speaker 1: didn't ignore not at all. It was just that it
Speaker 1: was sort of unknown to us at the time, and
Speaker 1: there was sort of a late announcement from the family.
Speaker 1: I think that was very close to that weekend. I
Speaker 1: think I might have received the email. I know I
Speaker 1: got it after I was on the road already, so
Speaker 1: I wasn't home for the email, you know, and I
Speaker 1: don't generally go through all my emails if I'm not home,
Speaker 1: and certainly I had my hands full at the conference,
Speaker 1: as we all did. So any funny stories or anything
Speaker 1: that you want to add here or any standout presentations
Speaker 1: in either one of your minds, Gabby and Ken, I know.
Speaker 2: One standout presentation would be the one from the banquet
Speaker 2: that I hope to get on up because they had
Speaker 2: literally just gotten the information like the week before and
Speaker 2: put together a presentation just like that to share that
Speaker 2: the banquet.
Speaker 3: So yeah, they asked, yes, they yesked the day.
Speaker 2: Before the banquet if they would be able to present
Speaker 2: because it was very interesting information and it's a little
Speaker 2: insight to their presentation.
Speaker 3: For next year.
Speaker 8: So having missed the banquet, what was that about? Now
Speaker 8: I have a need to know, you know, I had
Speaker 8: to build up that desire to know you did.
Speaker 2: It's about some documents that they had found when they
Speaker 2: went to the National Archives that were in a box
Speaker 2: miss marked and they were supposed to be released with
Speaker 2: all the other documents and weren't right, and so they
Speaker 2: were going over all that information and I.
Speaker 3: Couldn't do it justice.
Speaker 2: Like it's one of those that y'all will have to
Speaker 2: watch when it comes up onto the site.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it is about.
Speaker 2: Some documents that were miss marked.
Speaker 3: They said there was something.
Speaker 2: Like six thousand documents. So they're still going through them
Speaker 2: to figure out what exactly is in them, and I
Speaker 2: think some very interesting things can definitely come from it.
Speaker 1: So, So, Ken, what a shocker it is that the
Speaker 1: uh you know, the the corporate media uh didn't report
Speaker 1: accurately when it said, oh, you know, there's nothing more
Speaker 1: to be released. Really, uh you know, it just so happens.
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of stuff we know they didn't release,
Speaker 1: and then there's a bunch of stuff that a couple
Speaker 1: of guys had to discover in a miss marked box.
Speaker 1: Uh you know that they didn't release, and maybe there's
Speaker 1: more stuff to be released. Ken, what do you think, Well,
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: Robert found.
Speaker 5: One twenty negatives of the Popsy that Wikness filed. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean, who knows where half of any of.
Speaker 3: That stuff is? Well, maybe we're going to need some
Speaker 3: new terminology. It's not like this stuff was released, but
Speaker 3: they just didn't give it to us. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's kind of like the the the What's in the
Speaker 3: back room files? The What's we need a different name for. Yeah,
Speaker 3: somebody released it, but we haven't seen it and they
Speaker 3: forgot the show us.
Speaker 1: You have to put two check marks on it, one
Speaker 1: for release and one for shared, right, because shared, unshared, unshared.
Speaker 3: So I have a question for both of you.
Speaker 5: So on Joe Rogan's though, he had President Trump on
Speaker 5: and he stated that one of the first things he's
Speaker 5: feeling within the first few months of his second UH
Speaker 5: presidency is he's going to the release a god of
Speaker 5: the Kennedy files. Now, certain things like names and addresses
Speaker 5: might still be hidden, but he wants to get everything out.
Speaker 3: Did you to trust that that will happen?
Speaker 1: Larry? Before you answer? Before you answer, Larry, I just
Speaker 1: want to say that Ken just stole my last question
Speaker 1: right that I was going to pay all of you.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, It's okay, but you know why because this
Speaker 1: kept coming up at the conference in one on one
Speaker 1: discussions UH, where you know, a couple of people ask
Speaker 1: me my opinion about a couple of things, and one
Speaker 1: of them, you know, the guy was a little mad
Speaker 1: at me that, you know, why is it that they're
Speaker 1: not sharing nobody's talking about the thing from the Secret
Speaker 1: Service agent who put the bullet on the stretcher last year.
Speaker 1: And I said, well, there might be a reason for that.
Speaker 1: Maybe they don't put a lot of value in it,
Speaker 1: and that's why you're not hearing about it. And the
Speaker 1: guy didn't like that answer. But the consistent question that
Speaker 1: came at me all conference was don't you think this time,
Speaker 1: depending on who I'm talking to, either do you trust
Speaker 1: that Trump's going to do it? Or don't you feel
Speaker 1: better now that Trump is coming back in because he's
Speaker 1: going to release all this stuff. He's got Bobby Kennedy
Speaker 1: with him, et cetera. So Larry, I'll let you answer
Speaker 1: it first.
Speaker 3: Well, the two or three aspects of that question. First,
Speaker 3: he can't just say that simply, okay, everybody, release everything,
Speaker 3: because that that leads to me, he's going to have
Speaker 3: to issue a presidential directive.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, Larry, Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Larry.
Speaker 1: According to Fox News, he could just imagine that he
Speaker 1: released them in their release. I mean, that's what I thought.
Speaker 3: That's the problem. Okay, what I was thinking of visualization
Speaker 3: does not work.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, uh, I just thought but as
Speaker 1: part of the what did they just call that the
Speaker 1: secret right positive visualization? And you could just right, sorry,
Speaker 1: I had to interrupt with that hypogis and then you say.
Speaker 3: Well I did it, didn't I no, No, you just
Speaker 3: thought about doing that. But he's going to have to
Speaker 3: actually and hopefully he will have some people that can
Speaker 3: help him put some specifics to that statement. You know, release,
Speaker 3: it's kind of we were just joking about it, but
Speaker 3: released versus shared. You know, release means that all of
Speaker 3: the the federal agencies A. You know, they don't necessarily
Speaker 3: have boxes and folders setting around that say JFK assassination
Speaker 3: that are still there. You know, there's lots of us
Speaker 3: been sent to DARA. So there's two questions, Uh, is
Speaker 3: NARA going to finally be compelled regardless of what the
Speaker 3: agency say? You know, National Archives, if you've got it,
Speaker 3: release it. And by the way, with no redactions and
Speaker 3: forget about the agency. Now I'm president, they don't get
Speaker 3: to complain, they don't have any say anymore. If you've
Speaker 3: got it, release it, that's one thing. Okay, release it
Speaker 3: and release it in a form where we can all
Speaker 3: see it. You know, we're how don't They played a
Speaker 3: trick on us one time with document releases where they
Speaker 3: released hundreds and thousands of new documents and they just
Speaker 3: backfiled them in the same folders that were already out there,
Speaker 3: so you had no way to see what you already
Speaker 3: had and what was new. So, okay, the first question
Speaker 3: is is NARA itself going to be given the authority
Speaker 3: to release what they hold and how are they going
Speaker 3: to do it? But the third question is can he
Speaker 3: write that directive as a national security authorization overwriting the
Speaker 3: agencies on protocols and procedures in terms of what is
Speaker 3: national security what is classified? Because I mean, truthfully, that's
Speaker 3: even from their perspective. They have a legal obligation in
Speaker 3: terms of classification and security, and they would not be
Speaker 3: doing their job if they didn't do it. So if
Speaker 3: you want to see all that stuff, you've got to
Speaker 3: tell them that all their standard practices have been overridden,
Speaker 3: and you've got to tell them very specifically, not only
Speaker 3: okay for anything related to the JFK assassination that doesn't play,
Speaker 3: you've got to give it to the National Archives so
Speaker 3: they can release it. And and by the way, what
Speaker 3: defines what's a JFK record. The ORB tried to do
Speaker 3: that with the agencies. And if every you know, okay,
Speaker 3: that's fine, But is Trump going to compel them to
Speaker 3: look for things that they don't have? And I will
Speaker 3: say I said there were three, So that's the third thing.
Speaker 3: There really is a fourth if you wanted to be
Speaker 3: honest about all of this, as there's a lot of
Speaker 3: JKFK related material that isn't directly held by the agency.
Speaker 3: Life Magazine has films, other people have control over information related.
Speaker 3: If we're just talking about records releases, that's not going
Speaker 3: to bring that out. We're not going to see the
Speaker 3: originals of certain films. We're not going to see things
Speaker 3: that are privately held because they're legal controls over those
Speaker 3: things that still don't release them. So on trying to
Speaker 3: do with the statement is saying he may well visualize
Speaker 3: doing that, but it's going to have to be done
Speaker 3: in great deal with a lot of oversight, or it
Speaker 3: won't be any different than what's happened before. Stuff will
Speaker 3: not get out just issue in a simple statement that says,
Speaker 3: give them all that stuff, is not going to do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. True. And here's the thing about it too, that
Speaker 1: the will he or longed he is only a very
Speaker 1: small part of the question because the enforcement arm of
Speaker 1: getting anything done. See that that act, you know, the
Speaker 1: JFK Records Collection Act was supposed to compel all this
Speaker 1: stuff to be released, right, public and private stuff was
Speaker 1: supposed to be released, but there's no enforcement arm. It's
Speaker 1: under the executive branch, but there's no enforcement arm. So
Speaker 1: it's kind of difficult to compel Life magazine or to
Speaker 1: compel ABC, NBC, CBS, et cetera. Now, I know there's
Speaker 1: that lawsuit going on, which, by the way, that's against
Speaker 1: the Biden administration currently still but is that going to
Speaker 1: just simply be transposed to the Trump administration or was since.
Speaker 3: I'm part of that, Since I'm part of that lawsuit,
Speaker 3: I can't speak to that. There you go, it's not
Speaker 3: just against Biden, it's against the Biden and the National Archives. Yes,
Speaker 3: and the court throughout the presidential part but allowed the
Speaker 3: National Archives part to proceed, so that the claim, one
Speaker 3: of the claims is that the National Archives did not
Speaker 3: fulfill its obligation under the legislation that released the records
Speaker 3: because the National Archives, according to the legislation, was given
Speaker 3: a successor responsibility because the ARB only existed for a
Speaker 3: certain period of time, but it knew that this problem
Speaker 3: was going to exist, so it said, okay, we're going
Speaker 3: away after a time, but National Archives you have the
Speaker 3: responsibility as our successor to keep collecting this stuff in
Speaker 3: a proactive fashion. It's like you don't just sit there
Speaker 3: and wait for a document to show up. You know,
Speaker 3: you have to go out and try to obtain it.
Speaker 3: And if somebody tells you about a document that exists,
Speaker 3: gives you some proof it exists, work or anything. You know,
Speaker 3: if you're given notice of something, you have to try
Speaker 3: to collect it. NARA has not been doing that. So
Speaker 3: that's part of this whole process that if it were
Speaker 3: done correctly, the President Trump would have to to follow
Speaker 3: through on what our losses has been claiming and say, Nara,
Speaker 3: that is your responsibility. Now, I know you don't have
Speaker 3: enough people, you'll never have enough people in resources, it's
Speaker 3: still your responsibility. But that the success or responsibility for
Speaker 3: NARA to follow the ARB is a big deal.
Speaker 1: No fair enough. But it's just that the Biden administration
Speaker 1: is actually named on the document. So what you know
Speaker 1: on the lawsuit. So what I'm saying is, you know,
Speaker 1: does this transfer over to the Trump administration? Obviously Nara's NARA,
Speaker 1: but does it transfer over? I don't know.
Speaker 3: Oh well, and I can tell you it will okay
Speaker 3: case it's still in court. It will be going on
Speaker 3: for months because the judge throughout the part relating to
Speaker 3: Biden and allowed the part. The claims against the National
Speaker 3: Archives are still legally in play and will be after
Speaker 3: the presidential succession.
Speaker 1: Right as they should be. But now for the rest
Speaker 1: of it, And here's what my answer to the overall
Speaker 1: question is. I think that we're going to get at
Speaker 1: best a mixed situation here out of the second Trump administration.
Speaker 1: People keep pointing to RFK Junior is in the Trump circle,
Speaker 1: you know, so he's going to push for it. I
Speaker 1: don't know that. For certain, to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: is he going to push for these things?
Speaker 3: I do not.
Speaker 1: You know, I've heard things through different grapevines. I've obviously
Speaker 1: seen him make statements publicly about these things. But we
Speaker 1: all know that things get politically massaged. So will RFK
Speaker 1: Junior be politically massaged into maybe a different attitude about
Speaker 1: this than what he's shown in the past. I don't
Speaker 1: know will Trump do what he says he's going to do,
Speaker 1: you know, So I throw it open as the sort
Speaker 1: of I'm guessing we're going to get the mixed result
Speaker 1: that we got in twenty seventeen. That would be my
Speaker 1: overall guess. But I wouldn't put money on any of
Speaker 1: it because literally, as I said, again, I don't know
Speaker 1: how it's going to turn out. So that's the way
Speaker 1: I look at it. Ken you know, I'm a little
Speaker 1: more skeptical than some people are of Trump. I'm a
Speaker 1: little more skeptical of RFK Junior than I ever wanted
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 3: But nonetheless, one of the and I just saw this
Speaker 3: post on a forum. Well, what's amazing is the general
Speaker 3: public seems to have been convinced by the election campaign
Speaker 3: that Trump was going to release everything, yep, about everything.
Speaker 3: It's like total government transparency. We're going to know about
Speaker 3: what we did with every you know, we're going to
Speaker 3: know about Afghanistan, We're going to know about that. Suddenly,
Speaker 3: we're gonna know all the things that the government is
Speaker 3: and then and you know how they arrived at that conclusion,
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I can pretty much guarantee that's
Speaker 3: not going to happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, I don't foresee them declassifying
Speaker 1: the stuff from the Lincoln assassination or from Roswell at
Speaker 1: the same time they decided to drop this not gonna happen. Okay,
Speaker 1: but you know, transparency and Trump Mark me is a
Speaker 1: skeptic again, you know, just saying that's all I you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that you won't get some of what
Speaker 1: you want out of this, but only if it.
Speaker 3: Has to do with certain people. Situational one of my
Speaker 3: other favorite words.
Speaker 1: There you go. And also we still have the issues
Speaker 1: over the tax documents and stuff, which I know there
Speaker 1: was some different legal wrangling regarding that. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of unanswered questions I think, Larry, you know, as far
Speaker 1: as what could be the directives even if he had
Speaker 1: a whole I don't know, a complete desire for transparency
Speaker 1: just on the JFK assassination. Could he indeed even be
Speaker 1: capable of releasing everything that people think that he can release,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Again, Well, Chad, that's a real good question.
Speaker 3: I made a post today on my blog about LBJ
Speaker 3: and DOJ and CY and Garrison investigation, and one of
Speaker 3: the things we have to have to accept this is
Speaker 3: a reality of the situation. President Johnson asked the CIA
Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty seven, started asking them for all the
Speaker 3: details about their castor assassination plots. They didn't share them
Speaker 3: all with them. Yeah, they felt that that was a
Speaker 3: national security issue too.
Speaker 1: They pushed back.
Speaker 3: So even if a president wants something, I mean, we
Speaker 3: all know that a couple of past presidents like Clinton,
Speaker 3: have raised the question of JFK records with various agencies
Speaker 3: and gotten bushback.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 3: The agencies have the ability to to I don't know
Speaker 3: if maybe office gate is the right word, but we
Speaker 3: we shouldn't think that just because the president says do it,
Speaker 3: it's all done. That's just that's unfortunately naive.
Speaker 1: Right, right. And I like how you point out Clinton,
Speaker 1: because that's the first guy I remember taking, you know,
Speaker 1: positive action to seek releases you know, in my lifetime,
Speaker 1: was Clinton, and he had an honest desire for it
Speaker 1: because just you know, the political heritage there, you know,
Speaker 1: and there was some interest then that was you know, big,
Speaker 1: and he was all with it. He was with it
Speaker 1: before I think before the you know, Oliver Stones movie
Speaker 1: came out and everything. I think he was still kind
Speaker 1: of on the idea that he'd like to know, you know.
Speaker 1: But anyway, Yeah, you get mixed results though with these guys,
Speaker 1: and I think that's what we're looking at again. So
Speaker 1: I promised an hour here and we're almost through a
Speaker 1: full hour, believe it or not, answering a couple of
Speaker 1: questions from each other and giving you guys an idea
Speaker 1: about what happened at Lancer and offsite. Gabby, is there
Speaker 1: anything we're leaving out here we should definitely include?
Speaker 2: Well, I would like to include that we do still
Speaker 2: have the videos at for viewing and we are extending
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I'd.
Speaker 3: Like to give a ploug to that. Also, I don't
Speaker 3: know we said it earlier, but quite frankly, if you
Speaker 3: didn't see mix presentation or Groden's presentation, especially Groden's videos
Speaker 3: which were amazing, I think his why helped them with those,
Speaker 3: I didn't think, Oh you did, okay, So I mean
Speaker 3: this could be worth the cost of the experience by itself.
Speaker 3: I mean that's just Groden's presentation is not to be missed,
Speaker 3: and I don't know that it will ever show up
Speaker 3: anywhere else.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, Look much like I said before the conference,
Speaker 1: I said he's worth the price of admission anyway. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, so I knew that that was going to
Speaker 1: be the case. But also Alex was great we had,
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of great presentations. Matt Dalfit. Look,
Speaker 1: somebody's microphone just took a dive. But Matt Dalfit did
Speaker 1: a great presentation. Uh, you know, we we had some
Speaker 1: interesting thoughts from some people like Jacob Hornberger. Geez, who
Speaker 1: else would be another like diversity? Uh kind of mentioned
Speaker 1: here Larry, who's another one to give him a diverse
Speaker 1: idea about the people that were there.
Speaker 3: You know, there was a lot of diversity. I'm not
Speaker 3: sure that I'm the one gem I did and you
Speaker 3: know I did have This is one thing that did
Speaker 3: happen straightforward diversity wise. Fred Litwin made a presentation regarding
Speaker 3: richree Case Nagel, who's been a controversial figure in this forever.
Speaker 3: I've written about him. Dick and Dick Russell was there,
Speaker 3: and Dick Russell presented on on Nagel. It would so
Speaker 3: those of you who have never followed that story or
Speaker 3: might be interested to be very interested to listen to
Speaker 3: Dick present and then compare it to Fred. If you
Speaker 3: want diversity, that's what maximum diversity. I even I know that. Uh,
Speaker 3: the remote aud audience was interested in that, and I
Speaker 3: answered some questions for them in real time with with
Speaker 3: my opinions on that. But that's one that really stands out.
Speaker 3: If you've ever come across Nagel and you don't know
Speaker 3: what to think about him, listen to Dick and listen
Speaker 3: to Fred and draw your own conclusions.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 3: I also made a pot I also made blog about
Speaker 3: that during the conference as well, So it's on my
Speaker 3: WordPress blog.
Speaker 1: There you go, Larry Dash Handcock dot com or the
Speaker 1: hyphen whatever, you know, Larry dash Hancock dot com. You
Speaker 1: go over there, you could check out all Larry's work
Speaker 1: and the blog and that link will be in the
Speaker 1: show notes as well. But yeah, no, that that's a
Speaker 1: great point I think that. You know, Gail Nick Jackson
Speaker 1: did did her talk about you know, quite a few
Speaker 1: interesting things there, starting with the Knicks film, and uh
Speaker 1: kind of got a little emotional during her discussion. Uh
Speaker 1: but you know, I was on stage with her and
Speaker 1: I just tried to help lead the discussion a little
Speaker 1: bit and that's all I did there. And uh yeah,
Speaker 1: and like we said, I mean, Swanson's opener was was
Speaker 1: absolutely great. A lot of interesting people there though, And geez,
Speaker 1: let me let me think here, a bunch of the
Speaker 1: guys from choke holds and stuff. Gabby, who else would
Speaker 1: you mention here?
Speaker 2: Let's see, I definitely the guys from so cult says
Speaker 2: were interesting present.
Speaker 3: Paul Blow was one of those. Jeff Mee Yeah, and.
Speaker 9: Then we had.
Speaker 2: Uh, who else was it? And Andrew Ryle right, he
Speaker 2: is the one who spoke during the banquet.
Speaker 3: Jeff Meek Jeff Meek award one of Paul's choke calls.
Speaker 3: I thought it was a fantastic point he made during
Speaker 3: his present taken choke calls. If you all have not
Speaker 3: heard about it has to do a lot with the
Speaker 3: the legal issues, the historical issues of why the problems
Speaker 3: with the official story, what is what has placed a
Speaker 3: choke hold on getting the real story out. But Paul
Speaker 3: was very interesting in opening up his He he actually
Speaker 3: referred to the American historical side, these code of ethics
Speaker 3: and code of practices, and pointed out how the history
Speaker 3: books and history professors are violating their own practices. And
Speaker 3: he he made a remark I think he said he
Speaker 3: called twenty some history professors asking what they teach in
Speaker 3: class about the assassination, and then he read them their
Speaker 3: their code of contact, then asking if they thought they
Speaker 3: were following.
Speaker 1: It and they all said no, right right, And you know,
Speaker 1: also Sarah Jordan Hines did an interesting presentation on Dorothy Killgowan. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, we we had let me think here, Joe
Speaker 1: Joe Burrelly and of course, uh, let me think Daniel Shehan.
Speaker 1: Joe Burrelly was there with Daniel she Ann was separate,
Speaker 1: but with was there with with Bob. Yeah, with when
Speaker 1: they had the Rob Clark thing that he had joined
Speaker 1: in on, but they had also done the thing with
Speaker 1: Doug Campbell and the two of them together was interesting.
Speaker 1: Bob Nelson had something that was pretty personal uh to
Speaker 1: him that.
Speaker 3: Was going on there.
Speaker 1: Will o'holleran, Uh, you know, Casey Quinlan, uh, Andy Keel
Speaker 1: I think we mentioned already, I forget and Janet Rodin
Speaker 1: also presented separately from Bob Carmind Sabastano. There's a video
Speaker 1: that he had sent in. I think that was played
Speaker 1: on Sunday and it was originally scheduled for a different day,
Speaker 1: but thankfully we were able to shift it and make
Speaker 1: the schedule work better. Did we get to Brent Holland
Speaker 1: I forget if we got to that presentation? Did we No?
Speaker 3: We did not.
Speaker 1: Oh, we didn't, but will that be online.
Speaker 2: It is online as well as the documentary that he
Speaker 2: led us air during the banquet.
Speaker 1: Oh excellent, right, the documentary piece. That was another thing,
Speaker 1: so you guys didn't have to just put up with
Speaker 1: mine this year. And of course David boy Land, who
Speaker 1: presented with Larry and Larry was you know, remote and
Speaker 1: David was there, so that was interesting, and Larry mentioned
Speaker 1: Dick Russell. So I think I got into just about
Speaker 1: everybody on the list pretty much, and if I didn't,
Speaker 1: then everybody else did. So with all that having been said, again,
Speaker 1: you can go to Assassination Conference dot com and sign
Speaker 1: up use o'celly ten get ten percent off and you
Speaker 1: can still get the conference and it'll be in a
Speaker 1: well a more friendly downloadable versions soon broken down into
Speaker 1: each each presentation. Some of them already done, Gabby said,
Speaker 1: so some of them are up, but all of them
Speaker 1: will be up and you'll be able to get that
Speaker 1: all the way to December thirty first, so go ahead
Speaker 1: and get the link from the show notes here with
Speaker 1: the podcast. And with that, guys, I want to thank
Speaker 1: Gabby and Ken and of course Larry Hancock call for
Speaker 1: joining me tonight and I want to thank you guys
Speaker 1: for listening, because after all, I am merely o'celly, and
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