WEBVTT 1 00:00:13.039 --> 00:00:17.519 And December three, twenty twenty four, allegedly according to that 2 00:00:17.519 --> 00:00:20.519 thing we call a calendar, This the O'Kelly effect. You 3 00:00:20.719 --> 00:00:23.920 listening there, if you're hearing us live, it's just after 4 00:00:23.960 --> 00:00:27.120 eight pm on a Teesday or a Tuesday, and all 5 00:00:27.160 --> 00:00:30.879 that good stuff. But you are more than likely hearing 6 00:00:30.879 --> 00:00:34.359 the podcast, because that's what most of you do. Anyway, 7 00:00:34.520 --> 00:00:38.880 I've got an interesting little recap regarding Lancer tonight. Who 8 00:00:38.920 --> 00:00:41.920 do I have, Well, two ends of the spectrum. I've 9 00:00:41.920 --> 00:00:48.280 got Ken Zedeker with us along with his wife Gabby Gabrielle, Well, 10 00:00:48.320 --> 00:00:51.280 let's see Gabrielle Glenn Zedeker, Okay, depending on how you 11 00:00:51.280 --> 00:00:54.439 got the emails and all that. Anyway, husband and wife 12 00:00:54.479 --> 00:00:58.600 over there, plus Larry Hancock. So what do we have? 13 00:00:58.719 --> 00:01:02.880 The people running Lancer on the ground and the MC 14 00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:07.599 me and Larry who was well attending to people online 15 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:10.959 running the Facebook group. I think a few other things 16 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:13.519 were going on there. Oh and he did a remote 17 00:01:13.920 --> 00:01:17.599 presentation as well. So kind of get all ends of 18 00:01:17.640 --> 00:01:20.680 the spectrum here regarding Lancer, And you guys don't have 19 00:01:20.719 --> 00:01:22.359 to hear too much from me because I already talked 20 00:01:22.359 --> 00:01:26.319 about my own personal experiences there and of course, bringing 21 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:29.959 missus oh and Frankie along and all that good stuff. 22 00:01:30.840 --> 00:01:33.280 It was an odd year. It was an odd sort 23 00:01:33.319 --> 00:01:36.000 of year, a little slower and lower than I thought 24 00:01:36.040 --> 00:01:38.439 it was going to be as far as attendance and 25 00:01:38.519 --> 00:01:45.400 all that, but interesting nonetheless. So let's get into this first. 26 00:01:45.519 --> 00:01:48.120 You know, Gabby, you haven't been on my show yet, 27 00:01:48.159 --> 00:01:49.959 have you live or no? Wait, you did one a 28 00:01:49.959 --> 00:01:51.640 long time ago, right. 29 00:01:52.760 --> 00:01:53.599 It's been a while. 30 00:01:53.680 --> 00:01:56.000 Yes, it's been a while, like three years ago. Maybe 31 00:01:56.040 --> 00:01:58.200 you did one when we were doing virtual conferences. 32 00:01:58.239 --> 00:02:01.480 I think, yeah, that sounds about right. 33 00:02:01.799 --> 00:02:03.959 That sounds right, and Can of course called in on 34 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:07.239 a Friday night show and then surprise, had Bob grodin 35 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:10.800 with him. So Ken, yeah, it's not been as long 36 00:02:10.840 --> 00:02:11.800 for you since you've been on. 37 00:02:13.199 --> 00:02:17.039 But yeah, something been like a. 38 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:19.639 Like a month right right before the conference. So and 39 00:02:19.680 --> 00:02:21.719 of course, Larry, how are you doing tonight? 40 00:02:22.639 --> 00:02:26.240 I'm doing fine. Winters kind of here and starting to do, 41 00:02:26.960 --> 00:02:29.840 you know, get through Thanksgiving into haven't got the Christmas 42 00:02:29.840 --> 00:02:33.000 decorations up. I hang in there with Thanksgiving as hard 43 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:33.639 as I can. 44 00:02:34.039 --> 00:02:37.479 Oh, yeah, well Thanksgiving. Immediately following the conference, I was 45 00:02:37.520 --> 00:02:41.680 like so exhausted. Still the next week. It was sort 46 00:02:41.719 --> 00:02:45.000 of like, oh yeah, right, that's coming up too. I 47 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:48.199 let Thanksgiving go this time. Pretty much. It was sort 48 00:02:48.240 --> 00:02:50.599 of like, you know, quiet thing, just the three of 49 00:02:50.680 --> 00:02:53.879 us sitting here, and what are you gonna do? You know? 50 00:02:54.919 --> 00:02:57.840 But anyway, Christmas is coming. We are into December. But 51 00:02:58.599 --> 00:03:02.560 an honest recap, Oh, Larry, what did you think going 52 00:03:02.599 --> 00:03:06.879 into the conference? And you know, how did it look online? 53 00:03:06.919 --> 00:03:10.199 I mean, give me some feedback about what you were seeing. 54 00:03:11.240 --> 00:03:15.560 I think, yeah, one of the things. And Gabriella will 55 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:18.120 say this as well. You know, we've all been we've 56 00:03:18.159 --> 00:03:21.520 all been talking, you know, since the fiftieth like, okay, 57 00:03:21.560 --> 00:03:24.560 would the fiftieth be the last conference? Is anybody going 58 00:03:24.599 --> 00:03:28.439 to be hanging in with this subject more than fifty years? Okay? 59 00:03:28.439 --> 00:03:30.960 And then we got the sixtieth, like oh wow, okay. 60 00:03:31.919 --> 00:03:36.439 So it really is an interesting question about expectations. How 61 00:03:36.439 --> 00:03:39.240 many people are really interested? How many people still want 62 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:44.000 to come to Dallas? You know, how many? So it's 63 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:46.520 it's a question mark much more than it was when 64 00:03:47.080 --> 00:03:51.120 I started with Debra, you know, thirty years ago, But 65 00:03:51.360 --> 00:03:55.639 interestingly enough that the interest has not dropped off nearly 66 00:03:55.680 --> 00:03:58.199 as fast as I thought it would. So I did 67 00:03:58.240 --> 00:04:01.759 have people contacting me about the conference and you know, 68 00:04:01.800 --> 00:04:05.319 who was speaking and that sort of thing, so I 69 00:04:05.400 --> 00:04:09.080 knew there were still some interest. But the biggest challenge 70 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:12.919 I think, I think Gabriellen and Ken will say, what 71 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:18.120 of our biggest challenges every year is is speakers? Who's 72 00:04:18.199 --> 00:04:21.079 doing what? You know? What do we have knew? What 73 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:25.959 is going to interest people? You know? And you can 74 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:29.800 check yourself what question you're going to ask is what 75 00:04:29.920 --> 00:04:33.000 is new? After sixty years at this has anybody got 76 00:04:33.040 --> 00:04:36.199 anything new? Because that's what people are going to want 77 00:04:36.199 --> 00:04:38.079 to hear. That's the first thing out of the bag. 78 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:43.560 So I will say that that that combined with I 79 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:47.240 was very pleased last year we've had a good showing 80 00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:52.480 of international people. I had thought, actually, if anything, the 81 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:56.000 international interest might drop off more quickly, but we had 82 00:04:56.000 --> 00:05:01.480 people in the Facebook group from Belgium and Germany and 83 00:05:01.920 --> 00:05:06.879 New Zealand and you know, of course they have to 84 00:05:06.879 --> 00:05:11.600 wrestle with time zones, so there was still a good 85 00:05:11.720 --> 00:05:15.959 international interest. I'll be I'm curious whether you and Gabby 86 00:05:16.040 --> 00:05:19.759 saw that, you know, in the in person attendees. But 87 00:05:20.399 --> 00:05:22.680 for me, my question was, you know, are we going 88 00:05:22.759 --> 00:05:26.639 to be able to find something new. Uh, and are 89 00:05:27.279 --> 00:05:30.040 you know, are there still people wanting to come to Dallas? 90 00:05:30.040 --> 00:05:32.720 And I guess that's kind of a question for Gabby 91 00:05:32.759 --> 00:05:34.879 and Ken and you did you know, what do you 92 00:05:34.920 --> 00:05:37.279 see in terms of what did you see on the tour? 93 00:05:37.399 --> 00:05:41.000 I know you did a walking tour. I communicated with 94 00:05:41.079 --> 00:05:44.839 people online that very much wanted to get into a 95 00:05:44.879 --> 00:05:50.079 walking tour. Walking tour was still a major interest the 96 00:05:50.199 --> 00:05:52.160 people I talked with online. 97 00:05:52.120 --> 00:05:55.279 Right and Matt Matt Dallasit actually wound up getting something 98 00:05:55.279 --> 00:05:59.279 together and doing a tour of the tippets site and 99 00:06:00.279 --> 00:06:03.680 areas separate. I go over to the Knowoll and there 100 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:07.439 was actually weirdness going on at the Knowll on Friday, 101 00:06:08.519 --> 00:06:11.160 and so the people that said they were going to 102 00:06:11.199 --> 00:06:13.079 meet up with me, not too many of them made it. 103 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:17.240 And there was actually a disruption of the moment of silence, 104 00:06:17.279 --> 00:06:19.560 believe it or not. So I mean, there was a 105 00:06:19.560 --> 00:06:22.480 lot of different things going on in Dallas this time 106 00:06:23.399 --> 00:06:25.800 as far as international reach. I mean, I'm gonna turn 107 00:06:25.839 --> 00:06:30.800 to Gabby on this and Ken because they know better, like, say, 108 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:36.319 what the international interest was online. I didn't really see 109 00:06:36.319 --> 00:06:39.160 it like we did last year in person. I think 110 00:06:39.199 --> 00:06:42.839 we had less of an international visitor situation. I think 111 00:06:42.839 --> 00:06:45.720 I noted a couple of people from Canada, but outside 112 00:06:45.759 --> 00:06:48.800 of that, I didn't see anybody from other countries this time. 113 00:06:49.759 --> 00:06:53.279 But I'm willing to bet that in the post, you know, 114 00:06:53.399 --> 00:06:58.240 post coronavirus age of the Zoom generation here, we definitely 115 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:00.399 had a lot more online people than we thought we 116 00:07:00.399 --> 00:07:02.920 were going to have. But Gabby and Ken could tell 117 00:07:02.959 --> 00:07:06.040 us a lot more about that. So Gabby, what about 118 00:07:06.040 --> 00:07:10.920 that though? Did you see more international interest online or what. 119 00:07:12.759 --> 00:07:19.519 Online? We definitely did have a big international presence. We 120 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:23.639 had a lot of viewers from Mike Larry said Belgium. 121 00:07:23.720 --> 00:07:25.800 We had a few from Scotland. 122 00:07:26.319 --> 00:07:31.319 Because we have a whole Daily Plaza UK group out there, 123 00:07:32.079 --> 00:07:36.240 and a lot of them came and viewed it virtually. 124 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:42.240 Not as many joined the Facebook group. We had some 125 00:07:42.399 --> 00:07:46.120 people who in my email letting them know about the 126 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:51.120 Facebook group, completely glanced over that fact. So they're slowly 127 00:07:51.600 --> 00:07:55.240 being added to the Facebook group still in asking questions 128 00:07:55.279 --> 00:08:00.639 and such. But last year we definitely I had a 129 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:03.199 bigger international presence. 130 00:08:03.360 --> 00:08:05.480 Yeah, I was gonna say there was a big Dealey 131 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:08.839 Plaza UK contingent that actually showed up in Dallas last 132 00:08:08.879 --> 00:08:12.879 year on the tenth anniversaries, and we did notice some 133 00:08:12.920 --> 00:08:15.480 patterns this year too, which I want to ask both 134 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:19.279 you and Ken about. We noticed some patterns, not just 135 00:08:19.319 --> 00:08:22.319 in the international but in the general sense, let's say, 136 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:25.879 regarding things that happen in every ten years, there is 137 00:08:25.959 --> 00:08:29.279 a rise in interest, just like every twenty five years 138 00:08:29.319 --> 00:08:31.199 there is a rise in interest, even though we've only 139 00:08:31.199 --> 00:08:35.799 had two intervals. There, you can see it. The media 140 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:38.759 reacts bigger this year. I don't know, the media didn't 141 00:08:38.759 --> 00:08:42.840 react so much big on the sixty first anniversary as 142 00:08:42.840 --> 00:08:46.559 it did on the sixtieth. But you know, what are 143 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:51.200 your thoughts there regarding the patterns we saw. Maybe you 144 00:08:51.240 --> 00:08:53.279 could give some people some insight there. 145 00:08:54.639 --> 00:08:58.960 The round yere is like fifty five, sixty sixty five 146 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:07.759 Round years are all definitely more attention grabbing. As with anything, 147 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:12.240 it's always the round years anything, even like true crime related, 148 00:09:12.679 --> 00:09:14.799 it's the round years that all of a sudden, the 149 00:09:14.799 --> 00:09:17.639 media is like, hey, this is still happening, right, this 150 00:09:17.759 --> 00:09:18.600 is still. 151 00:09:19.799 --> 00:09:20.039 There. 152 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:23.480 It still hasn't been solved, YadA, YadA, YadA. 153 00:09:23.840 --> 00:09:26.600 Whether it's John Bay or JFK, it doesn't matter as 154 00:09:26.600 --> 00:09:29.000 long as there's a true crime aspect to it. It's 155 00:09:29.039 --> 00:09:30.879 the big anniversaries, right. 156 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:35.279 Yet the big years they tend to be their best 157 00:09:35.360 --> 00:09:40.639 turnout wise, the most interest in all that, we still 158 00:09:40.679 --> 00:09:46.639 do get some interest during the like off years that 159 00:09:47.039 --> 00:09:55.799 they tend to not be as as popular as the round. 160 00:09:55.559 --> 00:09:57.840 Years, right, And we may be getting a little bit 161 00:09:57.840 --> 00:10:00.840 from the toddler peanut gallery there who was also present 162 00:10:00.879 --> 00:10:03.360 at the conference. I just want to say, that's Gabby's 163 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:07.440 own private toddler peanut gallery. I just want to let 164 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:09.480 people know that's what that noise was. It wasn't Ken, 165 00:10:10.399 --> 00:10:13.960 but Kenny and I discussed at the conference. Actually another 166 00:10:14.039 --> 00:10:17.919 pattern that we took note of, which doesn't necessarily go 167 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:21.799 with the round anniversary pattern, but something that I think 168 00:10:21.919 --> 00:10:25.799 is relevant because everybody thought this election, right is the 169 00:10:25.840 --> 00:10:28.480 big this is so warped, this is so weird, this 170 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:31.919 is so big, et cetera, et cetera. But it was 171 00:10:31.960 --> 00:10:34.799 an election year, and well, I don't want to spoil 172 00:10:34.840 --> 00:10:37.159 it entirely, Ken, but you took notice of something we 173 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:40.360 talked about at the conference a few times as well. 174 00:10:40.600 --> 00:10:49.159 Yeah, it seems so every inflection year that's our lowest themes. 175 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:57.600 So we noted that of pattern, but we're still trying 176 00:10:57.639 --> 00:10:59.720 to think of ways how to improve it. 177 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:03.440 Right, And that's the presidential election cycle that we see 178 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:06.360 in the US. It seems to cause I don't know, 179 00:11:06.440 --> 00:11:09.759 reluctance for people to maybe come out for one reason 180 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:12.000 or another. Yeah, a lot of them. 181 00:11:11.960 --> 00:11:17.360 Is it's they don't want to spend money until they 182 00:11:17.399 --> 00:11:21.240 know how the election is going, because a lot of 183 00:11:21.279 --> 00:11:25.559 them do get fearful. And once they do know how 184 00:11:25.600 --> 00:11:29.799 the election is going, because the election happens two weeks 185 00:11:29.840 --> 00:11:33.960 before the conference, usually roughly two to three weeks, and 186 00:11:34.919 --> 00:11:39.039 by then the flights increase in price and it's just 187 00:11:39.200 --> 00:11:43.759 not feasible for people to come out in person. Yeah, 188 00:11:44.120 --> 00:11:47.759 but a lot of them did still attend virtually. 189 00:11:48.080 --> 00:11:50.279 But it's a weird tough thing because it's almost like 190 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:52.919 you know, when people look at Christmas shopping season, right, 191 00:11:53.279 --> 00:11:57.960 and it changes people's purchasing habits apparently presidential. And by 192 00:11:57.960 --> 00:11:59.679 the way, I checked with a couple of other different 193 00:11:59.759 --> 00:12:02.240 kinds the conferences. I didn't tell you guys this yet. 194 00:12:03.360 --> 00:12:06.519 There was a financial conference that went on, a crypto 195 00:12:06.600 --> 00:12:11.240 conference that went on, and another like deep political sort 196 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:14.600 of small little conference thing that went on around the 197 00:12:14.639 --> 00:12:19.240 same time, okay as the Lancer conference, and I was 198 00:12:19.240 --> 00:12:21.799 in contact with some of these people and finding out 199 00:12:21.879 --> 00:12:25.120 guess what, they experienced the same thing. So it's not 200 00:12:25.240 --> 00:12:29.480 a JFK exclusive effect, you know. I don't know if 201 00:12:29.519 --> 00:12:30.480 you guys were aware of. 202 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:35.240 That, something I would have, sorry, Jabby, something I would 203 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:37.879 chat time in with. Though, is a lot of the 204 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:40.799 people that are interested in JFK, and we all know 205 00:12:40.919 --> 00:12:46.120 this there tend to be politically either politically active or 206 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:50.559 politically interested. You know that that politics does have some 207 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:53.799 things to do with JFK. Many many people's ideas to 208 00:12:55.279 --> 00:12:59.480 really kill President Kennedy have political ideas of who did it. 209 00:13:00.360 --> 00:13:03.679 Politics is entangled with it. And I think this year 210 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:06.240 is something I felt myself and I saw on others. 211 00:13:06.720 --> 00:13:09.759 People with that kind of interest literally got burned out 212 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:12.679 by the election. It's kind of like they were so 213 00:13:12.960 --> 00:13:17.120 emotionally involved in the election that when the election is over, 214 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:20.480 oh conference, you know, I just I just need to rest, 215 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:23.399 I need to chill, you know. I think that I 216 00:13:23.440 --> 00:13:26.240 think for the JFK folks that had something to do 217 00:13:26.320 --> 00:13:31.039 with it, with that investment kind of going into the 218 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:34.480 going into the election rather than the conference, right. 219 00:13:34.759 --> 00:13:37.600 Yeah. You know what's weird about that too, is that, again, 220 00:13:37.679 --> 00:13:41.399 it's not a left or right paradigm issue because in 221 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:44.200 the thirty plus years that i've sort of you know, 222 00:13:44.879 --> 00:13:47.159 I was in the contact circle with Vince Silandry at 223 00:13:47.200 --> 00:13:49.480 one point, I was in the group in New York 224 00:13:49.519 --> 00:13:52.480 and New Jersey at one point. I've now you know, 225 00:13:52.519 --> 00:13:56.000 been around you guys. So I've mixed in with lots 226 00:13:56.039 --> 00:13:59.080 of different people that believe me, that's a dynamic group 227 00:13:59.440 --> 00:14:03.600 of individal jewels. Politically, I've seen it go from very 228 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:07.120 very left wing sort of people all the way to 229 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:10.600 individuals who you would count as right wing. No matter 230 00:14:10.639 --> 00:14:14.720 what time in our recent history. It is okay, So 231 00:14:14.799 --> 00:14:17.759 it doesn't matter the time period how those definitions have 232 00:14:17.799 --> 00:14:22.159 shifted left and right wing people, but politically active people 233 00:14:22.399 --> 00:14:26.759 are usually interested, doesn't matter left or right. Although we 234 00:14:26.840 --> 00:14:29.840 can see trends, and I think there's been more of 235 00:14:29.879 --> 00:14:32.399 a trend to the right wing lately or the libertarian 236 00:14:32.440 --> 00:14:36.759 wing as well lately, but that's happened before. And at 237 00:14:36.759 --> 00:14:39.440 one time you could almost say that everybody there was 238 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:41.919 a lefty. I mean, it just seemed like that's the 239 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:45.879 way it was, which is really weird. But I think 240 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:47.960 you hit the nail on the head, Larry, that it's 241 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:52.639 people that are politically conscious and you know, engaged in 242 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:57.279 the American politics that are most concerned about this, and 243 00:14:57.360 --> 00:15:00.559 they do have political views on it. Obviously, some people 244 00:15:00.600 --> 00:15:03.639 think the right wing killed him. It's a communist conspiracy. 245 00:15:04.159 --> 00:15:07.360 It's uh, you know, it's a deep state thing. Uh, 246 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:10.159 it's you know, deep politics, not deep state. Correct yourself, 247 00:15:10.320 --> 00:15:14.399 you know, apologies to Peter Dale, Scott, et cetera. And 248 00:15:14.600 --> 00:15:18.080 it's just about people that are politically focused, have ideas 249 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:21.120 about this and are concerned with it, which makes sense 250 00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:23.600 because we are talking about the assassination of the president 251 00:15:23.720 --> 00:15:29.799 after all. So yeah, I think that's exactly right, Larry. So, Gabby, 252 00:15:30.080 --> 00:15:33.720 any other trends that you noticed for this particular conference 253 00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:36.440 or ken either one on the ground that we could 254 00:15:36.440 --> 00:15:41.919 share with Larry. At this point, the only. 255 00:15:41.720 --> 00:15:44.159 Other trend I could think of was we did have 256 00:15:44.480 --> 00:15:47.279 a lot more from Canada this year. 257 00:15:51.919 --> 00:15:56.559 It seems how Lambster exclusively is getting the younger. 258 00:15:58.919 --> 00:16:03.039 Also that he also notice that there were a lot 259 00:16:03.159 --> 00:16:05.120 more of the younger generation this year. 260 00:16:05.879 --> 00:16:09.559 Well, yeah, we did pick up a few younger individuals 261 00:16:09.600 --> 00:16:13.159 that were presenters, and I think people were more interested 262 00:16:13.840 --> 00:16:16.200 and that's a good thing. I think we need to 263 00:16:16.240 --> 00:16:20.480 do a lot more to engage with younger people, because 264 00:16:20.559 --> 00:16:24.600 I still feel like we're still kind of behind regarding that. 265 00:16:24.840 --> 00:16:27.399 But I do see that Lancer made progress with engaging 266 00:16:27.480 --> 00:16:30.639 with younger people in their twenties and their teens, etc. 267 00:16:32.200 --> 00:16:35.960 And you know, like Alex is great. Alex Harrison mentioned 268 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:38.480 him first, I mean the teenager that was there all 269 00:16:38.519 --> 00:16:42.360 weekend this time, but he presented again this year, did 270 00:16:42.399 --> 00:16:45.039 a great job with the sync up thing, which by 271 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:47.840 the way, Larry, were you able to watch the conference 272 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:50.240 most of it or as it was happening or what? 273 00:16:51.399 --> 00:16:54.320 No, I wasn't because I was really on the Facebook group. 274 00:16:54.840 --> 00:16:57.000 I mean I did watch vins and pieces, and I 275 00:16:57.080 --> 00:17:00.480 did watch part of Alex and listen to Alex, but uh, 276 00:17:00.799 --> 00:17:04.319 when I'm when I'm on the Facebook page, it's hard 277 00:17:04.400 --> 00:17:07.079 for me to pick up and do the online stream 278 00:17:07.160 --> 00:17:10.720 at the same time. So that was difficult, but I did. 279 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:14.039 I didn't listen to parts of them even actually I 280 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:16.880 listened to most of them even if I didn't watch them. 281 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:20.240 But uh, of course, I will say the one real 282 00:17:20.440 --> 00:17:24.160 challenge for the remote access which we you and I 283 00:17:24.319 --> 00:17:27.200 and Gabrielle, we all fight all the time, is you know, 284 00:17:27.960 --> 00:17:30.920 hearing the speaker versus seeing the video projection. 285 00:17:31.440 --> 00:17:31.599 You know. 286 00:17:32.160 --> 00:17:33.079 Uh so. 287 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:39.519 Sometimes I will say the remote viewers the one challenge 288 00:17:39.559 --> 00:17:42.680 for them, and part of it depends on what screen 289 00:17:42.839 --> 00:17:45.640 size they're using, and everything else is is getting as 290 00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:48.880 much of not so much the power points that are 291 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:52.359 being projected, but the videos that are being projected. Uh 292 00:17:53.400 --> 00:17:56.359 those are hard to pick up sometimes that that requires 293 00:17:56.400 --> 00:17:58.880 even more contrast. But oh yeah, I did. I did 294 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:02.480 listen to Alex. Hell Alex. I love another great thing 295 00:18:02.559 --> 00:18:06.440 about Alex which we miss with some of our older presenters, 296 00:18:06.559 --> 00:18:09.319 including me, probably as Alex has this great way of 297 00:18:09.400 --> 00:18:11.599 saying if he doesn't have an answer for a question, 298 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:15.720 he says, so yeah, oh I really haven't studied that. 299 00:18:15.960 --> 00:18:19.920 Oh okay, got it? Where you know, some some people 300 00:18:19.960 --> 00:18:22.759 who have been around for decades, I feel it's incumbent 301 00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:27.160 to come up with some kind of an answer Alex doesn't, right. 302 00:18:27.160 --> 00:18:30.000 No, I appreciate that, and I think somebody mentioned there 303 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:33.000 should be an award for that during the conference too, 304 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:34.920 because you know, it was we had a couple of 305 00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:38.279 presenters that actually gave that honest answer. When they didn't 306 00:18:38.319 --> 00:18:41.759 know something, they said, look, I didn't study it, you know, 307 00:18:41.960 --> 00:18:46.720 so how do I know? And fair enough, we did 308 00:18:46.799 --> 00:18:48.920 have a couple of sound issues, but a lot less 309 00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:51.400 this year, Ken, wouldn't you say? 310 00:18:53.200 --> 00:18:53.400 Yes? 311 00:18:55.440 --> 00:18:58.839 Yes, definitely, I mean I know I was actively trying 312 00:18:58.880 --> 00:19:01.440 to make sure that things work, doubt. And also we 313 00:19:01.759 --> 00:19:03.440 do know for the future that we've got to come 314 00:19:03.519 --> 00:19:05.720 up with a slightly better way to handle the question 315 00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:09.720 and answer periods, because that became a little troublesome during 316 00:19:09.799 --> 00:19:12.160 the conference. No matter how many times I tried to 317 00:19:12.200 --> 00:19:14.319 tell people, I swear this by the way I was 318 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:16.920 telling them, look, try to repeat part of the question 319 00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:20.200 or the question, or put the question in your answer, 320 00:19:20.759 --> 00:19:22.839 do something so that the people at home hear it. 321 00:19:23.519 --> 00:19:27.119 And some people got the message, some people didn't, So 322 00:19:27.359 --> 00:19:29.119 I know it was a little hit or miss. Yeah, good, 323 00:19:29.960 --> 00:19:30.200 I know. 324 00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:34.839 Even in the Facebook group, gayl Nicks Jackson had commented 325 00:19:35.279 --> 00:19:40.839 that people needed to realize that you and I were 326 00:19:40.880 --> 00:19:44.519 doing our best to remind the speakers that the speakers 327 00:19:44.559 --> 00:19:48.039 are just old and couldn't remember to do. 328 00:19:49.759 --> 00:19:56.039 Thanks Gail, Larry, see you're now in that and you 329 00:19:56.160 --> 00:19:58.079 know you're in that category. Now, Larry that if you 330 00:19:58.119 --> 00:19:59.400 were there, you would have been one of the old 331 00:19:59.480 --> 00:20:01.319 guys that forgot right. 332 00:20:02.599 --> 00:20:05.319 Absolutely, so I had to be very careful. It's kind 333 00:20:05.319 --> 00:20:08.599 of like I was presenting with David Boyle and who 334 00:20:08.680 --> 00:20:11.319 is there in press? In press, you know, in person. 335 00:20:11.440 --> 00:20:14.839 It's kind of like David, it's your responsibility to repeat 336 00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:18.319 the questions. Uh, you know, because I might not do this, 337 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:22.759 but I will say it's difficult the presenters engage with 338 00:20:22.920 --> 00:20:25.680 the audience. You know, they're they're looking at the face 339 00:20:25.759 --> 00:20:29.160 they're seeing in a person they want to respond. So 340 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:32.079 they're just kind of in a personal engagement with whoever 341 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:35.799 asked the question, and they don't see the people online, 342 00:20:36.319 --> 00:20:41.519 you know. Uh, that's they just they're they're committed to 343 00:20:41.559 --> 00:20:44.119 the people they're talking to and they want to immediately 344 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:47.759 give them an answer, you know, just okay, don't pause, 345 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:49.799 just I need to I need to get back to 346 00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:53.160 this person. And so it is challenging for the speakers 347 00:20:53.920 --> 00:20:57.240 to remember there are people that are that they're not looking. 348 00:20:57.039 --> 00:21:01.519 At, you know, uh, in real time, you know, and look, 349 00:21:01.599 --> 00:21:04.559 it's not the easiest. And besides that, until you actually 350 00:21:04.680 --> 00:21:08.359 do something right, until we actually run the event, you're 351 00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:10.920 not going to learn a lot of these things, you 352 00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:12.640 know what I mean. It seemed to us that it 353 00:21:12.680 --> 00:21:15.000 would be easy to pick up on a lot of 354 00:21:15.079 --> 00:21:17.680 the conversations. But then again, somebody's in the way back 355 00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:23.039 of the room, and we had one particular questioner, let's say, 356 00:21:23.599 --> 00:21:29.839 that had very long preambles to their questions, and it 357 00:21:30.039 --> 00:21:34.079 was very difficult for that one to be heard on 358 00:21:34.240 --> 00:21:37.640 the microphone, you know, from a distance. And also I 359 00:21:37.680 --> 00:21:40.400 could see the difficulty with repeating that because if I 360 00:21:40.519 --> 00:21:42.160 was standing there and I had to listen to two 361 00:21:42.240 --> 00:21:46.680 minutes of her go on and then had to repeat it, 362 00:21:47.119 --> 00:21:50.480 I would have forgotten what I was answering. So you know, 363 00:21:50.640 --> 00:21:53.200 I understand that too. It's not the easiest thing to juggle. 364 00:21:53.240 --> 00:21:56.319 It's not natural conversation, you know, because, like you said, 365 00:21:56.359 --> 00:21:59.400 you're answering the question, you're engaging with that person right there, 366 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:02.160 and you know, generally, what do you do when a 367 00:22:02.200 --> 00:22:04.960 camera's on you. It's best to forget the cameras on you, 368 00:22:05.160 --> 00:22:10.160 right so, you know, because it's seeing a guy in 369 00:22:10.240 --> 00:22:13.359 a movie staring at a camera. Yeah, kid, So. 370 00:22:15.039 --> 00:22:19.000 I do want to boote that we have now solved 371 00:22:19.319 --> 00:22:23.799 both of those issues that you bring up about. 372 00:22:25.359 --> 00:22:32.839 About hearing the audience's questions and the what is it? 373 00:22:33.039 --> 00:22:41.680 The the the power points. Next year we are planning 374 00:22:41.880 --> 00:22:47.480 on doing a split screen so the people who were 375 00:22:47.559 --> 00:22:51.000 watching from home can actually see the actual power point 376 00:22:51.039 --> 00:22:56.440 instead of a projection of it. And a sound person 377 00:22:56.799 --> 00:23:01.319 wants to like the audience that way. Bearing the MQ 378 00:23:01.480 --> 00:23:04.640 and A, the people at home, we can also hear. 379 00:23:04.920 --> 00:23:07.200 Right, and I think there's nothing wrong with it. We 380 00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:09.880 just get a mic, stand by the way and stand 381 00:23:09.920 --> 00:23:10.440 it up there. 382 00:23:10.839 --> 00:23:16.160 You know. Yeah, I said the exact same thing, but 383 00:23:16.799 --> 00:23:23.000 with how many people this year and last year, especially 384 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:27.440 because I was up front glass gear holding the mic 385 00:23:27.640 --> 00:23:32.920 for questions and everybody just kept wanting to spout it 386 00:23:33.160 --> 00:23:35.680 instead of go up to the front. 387 00:23:35.759 --> 00:23:38.319 And it's like, well, I can't help. 388 00:23:39.519 --> 00:23:41.680 Well no, But then then it becomes my job to 389 00:23:41.799 --> 00:23:43.640 tell them, no, no, no, you got to come up here. 390 00:23:43.960 --> 00:23:45.640 You know, I'll cut them off on the mike and 391 00:23:45.720 --> 00:23:48.279 be louder than them and say, hey, come on up here. 392 00:23:49.400 --> 00:23:50.480 You got to do it that way. 393 00:23:50.720 --> 00:23:55.079 My You know what, our audio person, I'm recky, uh. 394 00:23:55.440 --> 00:24:01.680 He's willing to make up the audience so way. During 395 00:24:01.720 --> 00:24:03.960 the m Q and A, the people at home, can 396 00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:06.839 hear what the questions are. 397 00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:09.519 Yeah, we talked about that, and he's what he would 398 00:24:09.559 --> 00:24:12.079 have to do is probably fade that out during most 399 00:24:12.119 --> 00:24:14.279 of the time, so you're not picking up background noise 400 00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:18.839 in the park and you know, to hit he'd have 401 00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:21.119